Super Girl Rola Chen Pictures Anger Chinese Netizens

by Joe on Monday, November 24, 2008 141 comments

In 2001, mainland Chinese actress Zhao Wei wore a dress depicting the Japanese military flag for a fashion shoot for the Japanese magazine Bazaar. Once the photo was published, she immediately came under fire from the Chinese public where widespread condemnation eventually led to her apology regarding the matter. Fast forward to today, former “Super Girl” contestant Chen Yi （English name Rola Chen) recently became the focus of discussion in regard to her choice of posing scantily on top of the Chinese and Japanese Flag for a Japanese male-oriented magazine.

Video on YouTube and NetEase.

From NetEase:

Super Girl Chen Yi published in Japanese magazine, lying down on Chinese and Japanese flags cause arguments

Previously unsuccessful “Super Girl” Chinese girl Chen Yi’s photographs for a Japanese mature men’s magazine has caused strong opinions and even “go to Japan to be female idol” fake news. Recently, Chen Yi’s pictures have once again appeared on the internet, amongst them a picture of Chinese and Japanese national flags used as part of the set has stirred up arguments and opposition.

Shooting pictures with national flags as the background cause arguments

Unsuccessful “Super Girl” contestant Chen Yi previously went to Japan to become a female idol, and has taken indecent/tasteless photos. Afterward, Chen Yi repeatedly clarified that things were not as they were reported, and that she was only going to Japan to further advance her career. As for the suspected ‘racy photos’, they are merely artistic works from a famous Japanese magazine.

Recently, new sets of photos surfaced, including one picture of Chen wearing a green bikini lying smiling across a “stars and stripes” bed. Some netizens pointed out that lying on the American flag hints at her fawning at foreigners. Another picture shows Chen wearing a black swim suit lying on a sofa, with the flags of Japan and China spread on the sofa cushions. Netizens have raised objections to Chen Yi sitting on the Japanese national flag and the Chinese national flag.

Magazines publishing these pictures are in fact adult/mature periodicals

Chen Yi claims: the photos circulating on websites are pictures she took for the men’s publication “周刊プレイボーイ” (The name translated into Chinese is “Playboy Weekly”). She said, “after joining FITONE [a Japanese modeling agency], the company helped me find the opportunity to pose for a well-known publications.”

It is reported that “周刊プレイボーイ” [the Japanese magazine] is similar to the American Playboy magazine; but Chen argued: “I am not posing for pornographic pictures; they are all normal artistic photos! Besides, some domestic female actresses’ “Red Ribbon” photos contain full nudity that is even more open-minded than mine!” She also expressed that her bottom line for her own pictures is [to not show private parts]， “after all there are family members at home who will see me, I would never do things that would let them down!”

There was also a poll on NetEase. Here are the results at around 12:30pm, November 24th:

What do you think about Super Girl Chen Yi using the national flag as a background for these kind of pictures? (16,881votes)

Opposed, it is disrespectful to the motherland and national flag.
13,251 votes (78.0%)
Not opposed, using the national flag as a background is also pretty good.
1,731 votes (10.0%)
Indifferent, none of my business.
1,899 votes (11.0%)

Comments on NetEase:

You selling your body is no one’s business, that is your freedom. But can you not use the national flag please? Don’t you know the state law on flag use? Kao.

This kind of “Super Girl” only fit to be a “J” [J = 鸡 = chicken, a nickname for "whore" or "female prostitute"].
Those who want to watch her AV, vote support!

Hope she changes her nationality, she is not fit to be Chinese.

My favorite female idol.

I don’t want to say anything else, I only want to fuck her.

Yet another mental retard. Hunan TV‘s masterpieces, either a retard or a slut.

What “Super Girl”, this is a classic “prostitute”. Hunan TV is the place where trash is manufactured. Everything that comes from that place is trash.

Seeing all these netizens who curse people, in the future there will be even more people going abroad to develop [their careers or lives] or emigrating. Do not blame Gong Li, and do not go blame this girl named Chen Yi. Foreigners say Chinese netizens are too extreme. From the looks of it, it is completely true!

While you insult her, don’t forget to look at yourself.
This is normal stuff, yet so many people are scolding this little girl, without a shred of kindness and understanding.
She’s not doing anything wrong, I want to say to her: you are very pretty, I cheer for your life!

National disgrace, scum!!

We await your AV films. From this day on, we will search for your films everyday to watch. You can definitely become popular. I support your AV film. It must be without mosaic [mask, censorship] if you want it to explode [in popularity]! We support you!!!

So many “fenqing” [angry youth].

She’s not Chinese. She didn’t even say a single word of Chinese. It seems like she is not human. Chinese people would never do such a thing for Japanese devils, fuck, her grandpa must be Wang Jingwei [a Chinese traitor].

In the past there was Princess Zhao Wei, now there is Super Girl Chen Yi. Both are rotten, despicable scum amongst Chinese people.

What is the big deal about this, What is the big deal about this? My countrymen are so close-minded

This bastard, she did the wrong thing, putting the national flag under her butt, then letting the Japanese fuck her, then isn’t it equivalent to the Japanese fucking our flag？

Some supposed “countrymen’s” inner qualities are really low

The national flag is a symbol, no matter what it can’t be used as a tool for making money! That kind of behavior is simply disgraceful!

I really don’t know why you guys are so patriotic. You guys love your country, but does your country love you?? A bunch of SB fenqing.

Aiya~~~isn’t this just the flag, whats the big deal, it’s not stepped on, its not burned, it only shows Sino-Japanese goodwill.
If she can’t be popular domestically, going to Japan to develop is not a bad thing, on the contrary her notoriety in China is greater than in Japan.

What stupid “Super Girl”, shes virtually a “fuck girl.” [This is like a pun, "super" is "chao" while "fuck" is "cao" so they sound the same]

Pictures and Comments posted on ChinaRen:

Chinese people with money all want to become foreigners [emigrate].
This is the truth.
Other people live their lives according to their own wishes, what the fuck does it have to do with you?

I’ll talk about it later after I fuck her.

She took some pictures and you guys have gotten this mad, even wanting to XXX her. Also, everyday you all curse Koreans for being arrogant, showing clearly that most netizens are still stuck in a stage of ignorance. What does her taking photos have to do with you people? If you like to look, then look. If not, then leave it at that. Even calling her a traitor, does that make you guys good citizens? Besides her pictures didn’t insult Chinese people, it was only that the flag was not placed very well. Some people like to order others around, always like to use class struggle ideology [Red Guard tactics?] to attack others. When they see someone they do not like, they find some far-fetched excuses to make that person’s life miserable. Ah, Chinese people just love fighting with themselves, is it worth it?

So disgusting.
Does this kind of woman have any dignity?

Feel like she is very pretty, ding.

So fine, I want to mount her.

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fcuk da lu ren

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 10:35 am

Some Chinese hate Japanese as much as (or even more) Jews hate German Nazis

Um, that was like 60 years ago and none of you who are posting were even conceived to have a gripe against the Japanese. Maybe that is why despite all your bantering you still buy their products, watch their movies, and copy their style.

Seriously, can you get over yourselves? Have any of the Chinese apologized to the countless foreigners who have been ripped off, beaten up, or offended by Chinese actions around the globe and in China? You always demand an apology, so now I demand one from you.

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Erica

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 10:36 am

Hello there,

may I know from which page of NetEase are those comments translated? Are all of them from the first page?
Because looks like there are at least 100 O.O

btw the girl is supercute, looks like shes 10 like all Chinese girls, but still cute.

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Rick in China

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 10:47 am

@Kai
Fair points. When I said “blasting without direction” I was referring to his solely insulting posting spam sessions such as the 3 in a row following a,

“…FULLER, BTW BITCH, THE HAHA IS 4 YA MAMA WHEN I WAS FUCKING HER LAST NITE… I WENT BITCH OPEN YO MOUTH….”

It’s not about a discussion at this point, but a flame war, and that’s a lot different than posts that are at least on topic and insulting :)

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SniperWZ

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 10:47 am

@FDLR, hahaha, you are so bitter, seriously, it will do you good to leave China and go back to the place where you’re accepted, where ever that is. I pulled the American flag out many times during the Beijing Olympics, ah no, you’re wrong, no one pummeled me nor Lang Ping, or many other Chinese-Americans in the stands. Must be frustrating for you eh to see things not fitting in your stereotype?

I think you proved my original point, you attributed to me all these things as if I think and act the same like every Chinese in the world; in that case, you’re the one who is the ignorant Da Lu Ren here, cause I’m in the U.S., while you are in Da Lu. So it must be a difficult daily chore to fuck yourself eh?

Remember, don’t think out loud, don’t act the way you think, continue to repress yourself as you go down deeper into this pathlogical condition you have. I couldn’t care less how frustrated you are with China, continue working there cause you’re contributing to China’s development, train those Qinghua grads to take over your job; it simply amuses me to no end to have a caricature like you bitch and whine all day as if someone is supposed to feel sorry for you.

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Kai

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 1:00 pm

@ TahwYOJ:

What the hell are you talking about? I said your annoyance, frustration, or anger with FDLR’s racist comments is representative of many Chinese people’s reactions to comments like FDLR’s. Is that wrong?

As for aspects of you that are jackass-ish, you’re not the only person in the Chinese race capable of it. However, I wasn’t saying your jackass-ness represents Chinese people.

@ FDLR:

LoL, we’re good.

@ smickno:

LoL, well-said. I’m sure I’m part of the guilty crowd sometimes.

@krdr

Takeshi is half Chinese. But yes, some Chinese ultra-nationalists need to get the stick out of their ass.

@ Veer Left:

LoL, you’re included, mate.

@ Rick in China:

Yes, exactly, if people are going to insult, the should do so with substance! ;)

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fcuk da lu ren

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 1:36 pm

@SniperWZ

If your China is so great what are you doing in America? About the Olympics, let’s not forget how many foreigners were “evicted” from the motherland for “security” reasons or how an American volleyball players family member was stabbed (oops that one kind of slid under the rug). Can you imagine if a Chi mate was stabbed in Atlanta during the games? They would be pouring buckets of red paint outside the buildings calling for blood.

And American flags during the INTERNATIONAL Olympics cannot be compared to Chinese in Milan trashing cars and waving flags. Let me ask you this, if I went outside and starting signing the national anthem and shouting down China (as you guys did all over the world) how long do you think it would take me to get my arse handed to me?

I’m not going launch into all of the things I could say about your “train Qing Hua grads to do my job) but if the current trend is any indication about where China is in innovative development and/or market competition in my field, I will have a job for a LONG time.

And watching you respond not only makes me laugh but it means my “venting” is only the truth. Here’s one for you, Get the fuck out of America Chink, we don’t want you there and we don’t need you” (unless you are making eggrolls for me.

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Jean

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 1:43 pm

damn it dalu ren, what has Chinese done to you that you hate them so much, any personal experience you want to share with us?

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fcuk da lu ren

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 2:41 pm

@ Jean,

I don’t hate Chinese actually, that last comment was just to piss off Sniper. I just hate the ideology that is behind being “Chinese”. Some of us actually are infatuated with China and want to understand such a diverse and immense country. I actually came to work with orphan kids (which I do through my professional career).

However, one of the hardest things to swallow is when the conditioned response is “oh you can’t understand China, or Oh if you don’t like it get out”.

However for the sake of argument I will give you the deciding factor of what changed my perception of the common lao bai xing. It was a saturday night and I was NOT at the bar, I was having a coffee reading a book in shopping area. Of course there was a no smoking sign when a guy next to me lit up a cigarette and started puffing away. I politely said to him “sir could you please not smoke here? this is a non smoking area”. His reply “this is my country, Ill smoke where I want, if you dont like it go home”. To this I countered (in Chinese) “i realize you are literate, but I am sure you can see the sign” (pointing to the sign). At this point he stood up, I stood up and he said “dont touch me lao wai” and then proceeded to grab my arm.

Ok pay attention sniper at this one. What he didn’t know is that I was a competitive fighter, bouncer, and in law enforcement in the U.S. To be honest I didn’t even think, I just swept his legs out from under him and landed knew in the chest, his are locked under mine, and a fist in the air ready to rain down violence.

At this point I assessed the situation and noticed that i was the only one without black hair in the room so I stood up and let him go (mistake). He grabbed a knife at which point I grabbed a chair and let him know that if he came with the knife, I would appropriately end him.

Sensing the opportunity I made a break for the door walking quickly to the exit and awaited and elevator. What happened next is what really changed my perception of Chinese people in general. He had followed me into the foyer and loudly shouted “that foreigner punched my wife”. within seconds I was surrounded by about 30 people shouting and screaming working themselves into a frenzy. One man quickly grabbed a fire extinguisher and charged at me with it, only to be stopped by the woman who I supposedly punched.

At this time I was watching that man, the original smoker punched me from the side in the throat. I squared to unleash on him but noticed everyone was waiting for me to throw a punch so they could jump in to save their “comrade’s face”.

Thankfully I spoke enough Chinese to talk myself out of getting killed until the guards came. As we went into a private room I picked up the smoker and lifted him off the ground against the wall asking him how he could lie about something like me hitting a woman. He whimpered now that there was no one to aid him in beating me (he was a bit shorter than I but not too big a difference).

When the police came the woman was encouraged by her husband to say that I hit her, although she never spoke it. I just reasoned that if I had actually smacked a woman, she would probably have damage. In the end, to get out of the whole situation, I had to apologize, you can’t imagine the injustice and humiliation that was for someone who hadn’t done anything wrong. After that I began to see Chinese from a different perspective and all the hatred that locals had for foreigners, the false arrogance, and the deliberate mission to screw foreigners as much as they can because of injustices from 1898.

Love and hate is a thin line…

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fireworks

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 3:15 pm

@fcuk da lu ren

I was curious to as why you would always have negative comments about China.

I’ve always thought you were an Vietnamese, Korean or someone with deep seeded anger and vendetta towards China who hasn’t forgotten about history and want to beat China down in any forums you see.

I thought you could be a hardwired Taiwanese independence support. They all have negative things to say all the time. Even if there is some positive news about China, they always twisted it and turn it into shit.

Well, your comments above illustrate how you came to this position and angle of view and your alias as fcuk da lu ren.

I see your way of thinking and your experiences you gone’ve thru. I have no further comments to add.

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SniperWZ

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 3:40 pm

@FDLR, hahahaha, that’s quite a story, but yeah, shit like that happens in China, I believe it. I’ve seen smokers smoke right in front of the no-smoking sign many times, it makes a great photograph.

When did I say China is so great and uber alles? Hahah, you are making the same assumptions again, I think you’re truly “conditioned” now after your trauma. I’m in America cause I grew up here, not my choice, but I’m certainly better off for it. Ha no, I’m a U.S. citizen and I don’t hate Mei Guo ren and bitch and whine all day, see the difference there? Sorry, can’t think of a racist or stereotypical joke to respond to you, how about if I just look down on you?

One person got stabbed and killed, no Chinese were killed during the Atlanta games, but that’s just luck, Eric Rudolph’s bomb blew up several other people. As for expelled foreigners, that’s unfortunate, too bad they couldn’t witness the Olympics…as for Chinese demonstrating around the world, that’s a positive to me, all the better when they return and agitate in the same way to overthrow the CCP and restore a Nationalist regime.

Trying to piss me off by calling me “chink”? Yeah, good job pissing everyone else off, I have no idea what you do or care from which community college you graduated, but keep on working and contributing to China’s growth.

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- TN
  
  Monday, May 31, 2010 at 11:20 am
  
  @SniperWZ
  
  If you don’t like America, “then just leave.” You don’t deserve to be American with your type of attitude. Since when was it not your choice to be American? You can move back to China anytime, or you can move to a different country if you don’t like it. Chinese people have got to be one of the most annoying Asians around.
  
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Pieman

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 3:48 pm

“After that I began to see Chinese from a different perspective and all the hatred that locals had for foreigners, the false arrogance, and the deliberate mission to screw foreigners as much as they can because of injustices from 1898.”

If you think every Chinese is out to get you because of some injustice from 1898, with that kind of paranoid attitude I’d seriously suggest you go work in another country for everyone’s sake…

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Kai

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 3:54 pm

Once everyone can get past FDLR’s proclivity to be racially inflammatory on chinaSMACK, you know deep down he’s actually a decent guy.

That said, even he must be aware that his typical comments on here are not really much different from many of the comments out of that smoker’s mouth. Arrogant, cocky, brash, offensive, inflammatory, insensitive, even outright lies if not at least grossly inaccurate.

So yes, it is venting, but maybe that smoker was venting too. Who knows? Whatever the case is, each comment has consequences. Be that it may that he’s venting, even he intimately understands that he’s not carrying himself in an socially appropriate manner or in an accurate representation of reality.

It’s just that he usually doesn’t care.

He had a bad experience with a Chinese person, maybe several, and from that experience, he now often vents by allowing himself to make general comments judging “Chinese” by those experiences. Maybe the smoker and all the insecure Chinese elsewhere and before did and do the same thing after imperialism happened. Everyone has their reasons, and everyone has an excuse or a justification…but at the end of the day, it is whether or not your comments are helping or hurting the situation.

FDLR cannot really do anything but to admit as much. Insofar as he doesn’t care that he’s hurting the situation by perpetuating misunderstandings or insensitivity between the sides, there’s not much we can do, especially if we know he’s doing it out of disregard and not out of ignorance.

Hence, we sigh.

To be fair, SniperWZ has had his fair share of ludicrous comments as well. Maybe both of them are just having a battle to see who can utter the most ridiculously offensive and unqualified comment possible.

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SniperWZ

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 4:03 pm

@Kai, what ludicrous comments?

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SniperWZ

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Once everyone can get past Hitler’s proclivity to be racially inflammatory in political speeches, you know deep down he’s actually a decent guy.

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- TN
  
  Monday, May 31, 2010 at 11:24 am
  
  You’re a moron. Stop making stupid analogies.
  
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TahwYOJ

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 4:13 pm

FDLR,

Haha, I know who you are now. You are that guy who wrote that book. Your little made story is pretty lame, tell you the truth.

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What TahwYOJ

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 5:10 pm

Rick in China,

I was trying to say that you shouldn’t overreact to some forum posts, because there are always going to wildcard mofos that say crazy shit; like the crap one would find on youtube.

Kai:

[quote]
Exploding into a ball of expletives and immaturity isn’t going to make anyone respect the Chinese more, and in a way, you’re just proving fcuk da lu ren’s racist generalizations. Ultimately we can’t change fcuk da lu ren’s incessant idiocy, but we don’t have to live up to it. Do you really think your behavior is going to help others reject what he’s saying or is it only going to make people annoyed with you, and by unfortunate extension, Chinese people?
[/quote]

People explode into “ball of expletives” everywhere on the Internet. How is my tirade of expletives a representation of an entire nation? If anyone is going to judge an entire nation by what I say then I say that person is retarded. So no, I don’t think through an unfortunate extension I’m embarrassing the Chinese people (if that’s what you mean, since I don’t follow your argument.) LOL. That’s absurd. In this case you cannot say just because I’m in X and I’m also something then it means that X is also something. Can you really apply that here? (No, you can’t, not here.)

Then you got into some detail with:

[quote]
What the hell are you talking about? I said your annoyance, frustration, or anger with FDLR’s racist comments is representative of many Chinese people’s reactions to comments like FDLR’s. Is that wrong?
[/quote]

Yeah, it’s representative of many Chinese people’s reactions but it is also representative of just about anyone else. Plus, you need to think about how different strata of society react. They react in different ways. I may react like a hoodlum, or a nongmin, but is it somehow lesser than that of an intellectual? But the more detailed argument you followed up with do not really connect with your previous post, which is that I, as an individual, through my comments represents an entire nation (hint: the first comment and the 2nd have nothing to do with each other. They may look like they do but they don’t.) You fail to really prove your earlier arguments. I think because your argument is too strong of a generalization. In reality what this really is is some bullshit trifling of an argument that we are “arguing.” Hell, it may even be a bit sophistic…

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smickno

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Once everyone can get past Hitler’s proclivity to be racially inflammatory in political speeches, you know deep down he’s actually a decent guy.

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaa>>>>>>><<<<<<///\\\\. That’s a funny one. I love the sarcasm.

Quote: Laughter’s the best medicine.

Oops, I take back the quote, lest someone blasts me for not knowing enough of medical science, just as I had been for not knowing enough of ‘animal’ science.

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Rick in China

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 6:11 pm

@Kai
I’m going to go out on a limb here and make an estimation about FDLR in China, FDLR, please let me know if I’m off track:

Likely came here with happy thoughts and initially relatively wide-eyed and impressed, taking interest in the language, and seeing opportunity for business.
Likely met some chinese friends, some girls, and some foreign friends.
Likely has maintained some chinese friends, some girls, and some foreign friends.
Although initially a positive attitude towards the country and the people in it, experienced some things which revealed just how common it is for people he has come across to fuck you over, lie to your face, lie behind your back, cheat, steal from you if given the opportunity, band together without cause against you simply because you’re ‘different’, take strong defense against anything negative said against their country/govt/race and turn it into a personal insult to every person from here, etc…and from that, changed to an extremely cynical attitude towards the same people he was once interested in.
Stayed and is staying because of the opportunities in business he first recognized when he was happy here, having made them come to some sort of fruitation, and because he has developed friendships (both chinese and foreign).

Just a guess.

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fcuk da lu ren

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Guys that’s one of many many many experiences I have had here. If I really was that unhappy I would go home, listen to the new Guns and Roses album, join Nancy Pelosi’s team, and seek the eradicate the “China Problem” in America.

Kai is right, I just like to throw it out there.

TahwYOJ: exactly what book did I write? I fully intend to write one once I have firmly decided to not return to the “motherland” as I will be exiled for exposing the truth about Da Lu, (hey that’ a catchy title “The Truth about Da LU” or Da Lu Exposed.

Guys I don’t hate Chinese people ok!!! I just don’t like them all that much. I don’t like some people in America either. Koreans piss me off, British are arrogant, French people make me mad, and I don’t support homosexuality. Is that enough across the board disdain to make you Chi Mates happy?

If Chi Mate offends you, you probably are one ;)

PS, I still love call the wwwwaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmbulance, China was offended again.

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†Invisible Sky Magician† http://invisibleskymagician.baywords.com/##jesuslol

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 11:13 pm

The insecure basement-dwelling chinese people in this thread are just jealous that their homegrown “talents” are moving to Japan in search of greener and less-polluted pastures. <- That was me using an idiom and cleverly modifying it in a Chinese-related context.

As for the blindly and irrationally nationalistic replies, there’s nothing new there. The flag-waving rhetoric has lots of parallels with even the most hardened American patriot.

Just goes to show that patriotism for the country you’re living for the sake of jingoism is stupid, whichever country that is. Except for Canada.

LOL at poll also.

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unwelcomewhiteracistevilguy

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 12:45 am

“Fanna, just shut it down. You really want to be the enabler of a bunch of forum critics? HAHA.”

IT COULD BE WORSE FOR HIM, see the thread where i got called the, and i quote for posterites sake.

“EVIL, RACIST WHITE GUY” and the people that abided by that

Perhaps i shud not be allowed an opinion as all the “OBC;s”? have recommended? Ur digging ur own grave arent u? I wont begin to mention intelligence, reading skills or lingo

I was perhaps under the illusion that obc’s were exactly like me? Perhaps we r so different? Maybe OBC’s only have the balls to say this on-line ( did i just say that?)

Do i gots to take this post apart too?

” I’ve not seen much variation in your low brow responses, in fact, it’s all the same, you’re like the Pavlov’s dog who respond to stimuli. ”

What stimuli? What do u really mean by this?

___________________

I THOUGHT I HAD SCHOOLED ENUFF OF U ( EXCUSE MY IRISH YET AGAIN) .in my post about american poverty????

i dont like wasting my precious time, but no1 seems able to learn. even an animal can do that, its what diffines intelligence, dare i say? (shud i have used an inverterd apostrathe there?)

how long would my post explaining logicaly y u r plain wrong b?

and no i will argue logically against all comers

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freeopinons?

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 12:55 am

we all know i hate it when i see a hot chinese girl in a mini-dress in the form (note – not context) of the UK flag that i obviously serve my undoubted and BLIND allegiance too; in judys 2

actually i feel like that all the time when i see these uk customes on hot chicks. occassionally i feel the same on st patricks day……….

i just cant help thinkin wot traitors….i wanted a fat girl with haaaaaairy legs, forgive me. duh

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pug_ster

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 1:14 am

She obviously had a nosejob and had the double eyelid removed. Talking about fake beauty.

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Bopomofo

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 9:02 am

Get a grip. She was paid to make these photos.
If you were in her situation, you’d probably do the same. Jealous hypocrites.
I say, ” Go, girl and laugh all the way to the bank!”

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Bopomofo

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 9:20 am

fcuk da lu ren:

Talk about an exciting day. I wonder which city you are in? Normally such things don’t happen in larger cities where most Chinese respect foreigners and understand the cultural differences. More exposure to foreigners usually has the opposite effect as what you have had that day so my guess is that you’re in a smaller city with a smaller percentage of lao wais. Usually belligerent MaBees like that guy who are willing to fight you reside in more “backward” cities that do not have a larger expat populace.
But if I was you I would be smart and already realize you’re in over your head in trying to fight a local physically. I mean it’s pretty easy to incite a crowd to lynch you considering you are a “foreign devil.” Also, since you seem to speak Mandarin, you should have just told the unruly crowd that he tried to steal your wallet.

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smickno

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Frankly speaking, we are just listening to one side of the story. We have not listened to the other side yet. After reading how fdlr wrote, wherever he chose to discharge his oral diarrhea, one can easily see how arogant and cocky he is.

I suspect he must have behaved in the same way as he did here, and will continue to, and that made that fellow pissed off, enough to want to whack him. He seems to think to highly of his martial arts and thinks he can get away with his nonsense, whenever he can apply it on innocent people.

With that kind of gentlemanly behavoiur, I am not suprised that he, by his own admission, encountered ‘many many many many’ more such incidents.

I have only encountered the best of hopsitality everytime I was in the host country. I had been to Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing, Yangzhou, Xiamen, Suzhou, Hangzhou, Guangzhou, Foshan, Zuhai, Macau Kunming, Qingdao…big cities, small cities, but I had no problem at all…unless you tell me being offered too much food is a problem.

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Bopomofo

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 3:38 pm

@ smickno:

Ah, so true. Usually it takes two to tango. So, maybe FDLR has an inferiority complex when it comes to penis size, so he came to China to feel “bigger.” haha (ok, no hate mail pls). I’m surprised he didn’t whip out his schlong and beat that MaBee to death with his member.
But I do agree with him on some of his gripes. A lot of things he says is true albeit denigrating as it may sound. I’ve had first-hand experience with the “eccentricities” of doing business in China. Can’t fault the lot though considering the crap that they went through in their sordid history.
Let’s face it. The USA has a 200 year history. China– 30+ years! She’s now the world’s fourth largest economy. That kind of wholesale expansion and growth is unheard of ANYWHERE in the world. China is a force (FDLR would say “farce”) to be reckoned with.

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fcuk da lu ren

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Smickno,

you are obviously a chi mate posing as a foreigner or some kind of lao ban being whisked away to KTV with hookers and Chivas enjoying the “fruits” of you foreignness.

This happened in SHANGHAI. Listen, I will admit I am a bit rough around the edges, but the majority of people who have lived here more than 1 year will have some similar experiences to mine, where for example they are walking down the street and someone will throw their garbage out the window and it lands on their head, or they spit on your leg as they walk by, or how they argue with you while they are trying to cheat you and then start telling you to “go home”.

I didn’t say I was a perfect angel, but I think I have finally realized how black people must feel in America dealing with not only stupid ignorance of them as a whole, but sometimes flippant outright racism. It definitely leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth. And where I grew up, you talk shit, you get smacked the f$%K down. And boy do the Chinese like to talk tough (especially in groups of 30)

I’m surprised I have as much self control as I have.

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fcuk da lu ren

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 3:59 pm

@bopomofo,

Why does it have to be that I have an inferiority complex? You guys kill me. I don’t know where you live in China, but it must be a compound void of anyone Chinese except for your ayi and maybe your driver. Either that or you have been here for four months and still are clueless.

Im glad China has a burgeoning economy, great for them. Have you ever seen some of the abject poverty in this country? I have, its a sad sad situation and Kudos to the government for doing what they can to get people out of that.

I’m just saying there are some educationally learned responses to the “west” that are difficult to deal with and sometimes just outright evil. I am also not saying bad things don’t happen back home, but they tend to happen with more frequency and ferocity here due to the developmental climate.

One sided, yeah sure I pissed him off I’m sure, but justifying it by saying I hit a woman is ridiculous, which could have got me killed if I had not been quick enough to talk my way out of it. A lot of people in the world need an ass whoopin. Sometimes you have to be the administrator

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smickno

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 5:26 pm

I knew there would be a response. The vulgar response from fdlr does not surprise me, rather it amuses me…and it confirms my suspicion indeed that he is a rascal, with a deep inferiority complex (that is evident from his inability to behave himself in public and public forums). Then, he goes around making assumptions such as saying that I am a Chinese laoban, just because I was offerred too much food.

I can understand if anyone of you had an unfortunate encounter with the Chinese for being at the wrong place at the wrong time where the wrong people happened to be around. Most of us don’t really have any problems though, especially that kind which FDLR deservedly encountered. Now, FDLR admitted to having had many, many, many such encounters, all of which he would have us believe that only he was in the right, while the whole world was wrong. Good try.

I need not say more, as circumstantial evidence are all there that this racist dude clearly asked for it. He would have problems with people in any other country anyway, with his personality disorder. When faced with a situation larger than him, and also caused by him, he tries to explain away his cowardice, notwithstanding his martial arts, by saying that there were 30, 50, 1.3 billion Chinese surrounding him! Another good try there, Amerimate.

It is crystal clear that this Amerimate needs a cathartic outlet, and he is trying to find one in this forum to vent his hatred, while he licks his wounded ego.

FDLR, do yourself a favour, for your own sake, and go read a book on “How to get along with PEOPLE”

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fcuk da lu ren

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 5:54 pm

Smickno,

Maybe you need to take a second to grasp the English language. First of all I have not had many, many many fighting experiences, but bad experiences in China (got that now).

Second, never did I say that you were a Chinese Lao Ban. I would imagine that you are either Chinese or that you are a foreigner working in some capacity who is sheltered from dealing with Chinese on a regular enough basis to really have an idea of what goes on in China. (either than or you have been here four months and are still enamored with “oriental” culture.

Those were my statements, try as you might to goad me into bantering with you I will only say this. Racist? Bet your ass, we all are in some ways. Racist via experience, the reality of the situation is that we all are in some ways, even you, despite having a bachelors in multicultural studies and being a Prop 8 Vote no supporter.

:)

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smickno

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 6:20 pm

I knew by writing Chinese laoban, I was not quite correct since a laoban needs not necessarily be a Chinese…and you had also mentioned those two words separately. As I was in a hurry, I did not feel it was material or relevant to the gist of what I was trying to say, so I decided to leave it.

As for your ‘experiences’, I admire your effort to wriggle away from what was my fair deduction. Since only you have full possession of what transpired, it is impossible to make you confess to your self-made embarassments, which is a better word than ‘experiences’. Anyway, I will spare you and let you off on this one.

Now, with my limited command of American language, I wonder who is the person you are referring to as having a Bachelor in Multicultural Studies? Me? Is that another assumption of yours… just because I have been to several Chinese cities, and that is considered multi-cultural? If so, then I think you not only have a problem with your EQ, but you also have an even bigger problem with your intelligence than I have with English language.

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fcuk da lu ren

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 6:34 pm

Wow, you got me, I guess I should just pack it all up and go home, I can’t compete with your logical discourse on my psychosomatic behavior. Well done my friend, well done

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smickno

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 7:06 pm

@Rick in China

You are abolsutely right to guess that fdlr “Likely came here with happy thoughts and initially relatively wide-eyed and impressed, taking interest in the language, and seeing opportunity for business” ………and so on. I think he stays on because, plus and minus, he likes where he is, in spite of all his gripes.

And despite his abundant display of vulgar expletives, he has a good heart deep down inside of him. He just somehow could not come to terms with what he saw and he got disillusioned, especially when he seems to have a perfectionist expectation of the human race. He would make a good companion for the most civilised of all of Creation. ie the animals in the wild. I am sure he loves them all.

I think he would have spoken up just as much, and just as vulgarly, if he were in any other country, if he sees the same things. His weakest point is he is easily ignited, and this can be proven by how easily I inflamed him with some deliberate teasing, but alas, he failed to read between my lines.

And so, I have to tell FDLR:

Young Man: Would you like to dance with me?

Young Woman: Do you expect me to dance with a Baby?

Young Man: I’m so sorry. I didn’t know you were pregnant.

How’s that?

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Kai

Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Holy shit, look at this thread. *groan*

@ SniperWZ:

I recall you making ludicrous proclamations of Chinese world-dominance, which were also racially inflammatory. Still, I don’t think you or FDLR are anywhere near Hitler status.

@ TahwYOJ:

Dude, WTF are you talking about?

1. I never argued that you or your behavior OUGHT to be interpreted by others as being representative of all Chinese.

2. I said that you and your behavior MAY be interpreted by others as being representative of all Chinese.

3. Is that your intent? No. OBVIOUSLY. But is it something you can control? NO. Others will apply or misapply their impression of you onto your family, your culture, your nation, your upbringing, or your people AS THEY WANT TO. If they’re idiots (and most people are), they’ll fail to distinguish YOUR idiocy and the idiocy of an entire race.

4. What you CAN control is giving them that option. YOU can control, to a degree, what impression you leave them. You want to be a jackass? Go ahead, but don’t WHINE when some people invariably start thinking all Chinese people are jackasses like you. What are you going to do at that point? Annoy them to death by insisting that it isn’t rational to think that all Chinese are like you? Do you think they’ll be open to giving a shit about that coming from you?

5. We all make impressions on others and others use those impressions to make sense of the world. It is messy and imperfect but that’s life, get used to it. To ignore the reality that our impressions affect how others view who we are and what associations are tied to us (race, gender, religion, socio-economic status, etc.), is being RECKLESSLY ARROGANT and veritably IDIOTIC.

6. Insofar as your behavior like a jackass results in others having a lower image of all Chinese people than someone who reacts far more intellectually, rationally, and pragmatically, then yes, you ARE doing more harm than good as far as anyone with a vested interest in the image of Chinese people are concerned. You can sit there and whine all day long arguing that others shouldn’t think all Chinese are jackasses just because you’re a jackass but you’ve squandered any clout you had already. Who the fuck is going to listen to the jackass lecture them on logic when the jackass is so idiotic as to expect that his actions and behavior has no bearing in the real world on how others feel and think?

7. Bottom Line: You behaving like an ass reflects poorly upon Chinese people. You may not have intended it and you may even argue that it shouldn’t, but the final decision of whether it does or doesn’t (whether rationally or irrationally) is in the observer. You cannot dictate to an observer how he should interpret your idiocy. He’ll make his own decisions. That’s why so many Chinese people who have seen one bad Japanese guy or one bad Korean guy or one bad Western guy develop maybe irrational but nonetheless negative impressions of Japanese, Korean, or Westerners. It is the same reason why FDLR can take his experiences with some Chinese and feel comfortable applying those generalizations to all Chinese. You cannot give people a bad impression and then demand them to isolate it. You should’ve given them a better impression in the first place. You can’t indulge your immature anger and not accept the real-world consequences of doing so.

@ Rick in China:

Dude, I’m not one bit concerned or curious as to why FDLR is here in China. Like many of us, we have legitimate reasons for why we’re here just as our criticisms of China or SOME of its people are entirely reasonable, understandable, and legitimate as well. Me expounding about FDLR in length was to help some of the new kids understand why this guy who seemingly hates China is still here. The answer is that he doesn’t hate China 100%, he’s just being lazy in his speech here, venting, or otherwise not too worried about his speech inflaming or offending others.

Of course, again, it is a bit ironic given how Chinese people being similarly arrogant and reckless gave him such a bad experience, but that’s just how it is. FDLR has things he’s angry about, but for people who take a moment to wonder why he is still in China and seeing him here on chinaSMACK, they just might arrive at the relatively true conclusion that FDLR actually isn’t 100% anti-China or anti-Chinese, even if he rubs off that way superficially.

Once you tackle him and wrestle him into the ground (see what Smicko did in this thread?), FDLR is entirely capable of being rational, conciliatory, qualifying his statements, admitting his gross generalizations, admitting his indulges in being offensive/inflammatory, etc. He’s the kind of guy that all the veterans “get” but consistently pisses off the new kids who legitimately have nothing to go on but what he recklessly puts out there. He’s the kind of guy you have to LEARN to not take seriously.

@ Smicko:

LoL, the quirky comments are amusing. I dig them.

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TahwYOJ

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 2:52 am

Kai,

That’s a good… You pwned me (this is how you do it Blah/Ocumon). But you have to realize on the Internet I do stupid shit to get lulz sometimes, it doesn’t reflect who I am in RL. (I know that’s a lame excuse.) Why would other people not act this way also? In a perfect world everyone would do as you said.

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TahwYOJ

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 3:11 am

Matter of fact, I think a few of the regular jackasses here are doing it for LULZ. Ha.

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TahwYOJ

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 5:23 am

Kai,

Actually my original point is that people should not judge an entire people based on comments made on the Internet. That is still the problem. People making judgments based on limited encounters… On the freaking internet.

Yes, I do not have control over other people’s beliefs. But the main point here is about judgment, and whether or not IT SHOULD matter. Clearly, in theory, one should not judge based on my actions. However, I guess you can then go fall back to an argument of reality… Well, reality is what it is. People will make judgment. IMHO that’s wrong. And I have a right to point that out. This is what I did above, albeit in a real *nasty* way.

Also, this thing is reflective. Yes. I should not be an jackass. But the other should also not judge people. Because it is in theory WRONG.

Think about that. If I went on youtube should I start saying that the Western world is *whatever* based soley on some of the comments. Is that NOT WRONG? And what would that say about the culture of the person doing such judgements? (NOTHING.)

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smickno

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 5:47 am

听好，我的名字。。。。SMICKNO….不是…SMICKO.

Please refrain from stripping alphabets off my name. My name is Smickno ™ and not Smicko. Strip another one and it’ll become Sicko. If anyone wishes to reply with a challenge, I am game enough but first let me tell you this:

On Thanksgiving Day, the priest was telling the congregation the difference between ‘knowledge’ and ‘faith’. “In our midst,” he said, “we have Mr Bush with his wife and 2 children. Now, she knows they are her children – that’s knowledge. He believes they are his children – that’s faith”

How’s that?

Yours truly
Smickno

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smickno

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 6:20 am

One Chimate makes a jackass of himself, and PEOPLE in internet and externet thinks all the Chimates are jackasses.

One Amerimate makes a jackass of himself, and PEOPLE in internet and externet thinks all the Amerimates are jackasses.

One Germate makes makes a jackass of himself, and PEOPLE in internet and externet thinks all the Germates are jackasses.

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Fuller

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 8:13 am

Joywhat
“If I went on youtube should I start saying that the Western world is *whatever* based soley on some of the comments. Is that NOT WRONG?”

Sure it is. But, if you were someone who didn’t speak or read English and if you could see those comments translated into your language, it would still give you an insight into a culture that you don’t know too much about. That’s why a lot of people like this site. We can read what all the Chinese people are saying about things that are happening in their country.

The debate that happens amongst the English speakers is interesting for different reasons. People’s interpretations of the Chinese comments often vary widely, and people feel the need to debate exactly what we can draw from these comments. Sure, some people go overboard (yourself included), but those people are easily ignored. Reading what some of the intelligent, insightful people on here have to say can really make a person think, and maybe change their perspective of China.

Hence I stand by my earlier comments that this is a valuable sociological exercise.

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Kai

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 1:30 pm

@ TahwYOJ:

Cool, I’m glad my faith in you being a rational person wasn’t entirely misplaced and you’re cool enough to acknowledge other people’s points or your own mistakes. Too bad ocumen/blah/etc. isn’t as cool as you, right? Hah. That douche. Seriously, don’t reply to him anymore on the American Poverty topic. He’s hopeless. Let him fester in his own contrived angst.

And yes, FDLR also does it for the LULZ too. Your reaction to him is understandable, I blasted him too before. It is only because I know he’s not actually that irrational and just enjoys being inflammatory that I don’t get annoyed with him. Unfortunately those who don’t know him will still get a bad impression. Once you stop taking FDLR seriously, he’s one of those lovable trolls. Real trolls tend to go away over time. He’s managed to stay under the chinaSMACK bridge for some time. :)

LoL, dude, you should pause and reflect before you hit the submit button. It’ll help you avoid posted three comments in a row. Anyway, I know what your point is and I agree that people should avoid making categorical assumptions based upon limited or potentially skewed experiences, such as on the internet. You still recognize that my point still stands that it isn’t under your control. Communications is a two-way street, you projecting and the other interpreting. You can control what you project, but you cannot control how the recipient interprets. If you willfully project “jackass,” well, don’t be surprised if they run with that “jackass” impression, right?

So yes, the crux of my response to you is “reality.” We all know theory, but reality is reality. You get it and I don’t think you should use theory to excuse your behavior in reality, which I do feel you’re trying to argue for. Moreover, even in theory, your behavior can logically say something about your culture: that your culture didn’t influence you to be less of a jackass. In both theory and reality we’re creatures of nature and nurture. Socialization (such as by our culture) influences who we are. One’s culture is a socializing force, and hence you are arguably a product of that culture. So if you’re a jackass, then to a degree, your culture produced a jackass.

Again, bottom line is to know how to behave pragmatically in reality. You can either be like FDLR (or blah/ocumen/etc.) and just not care how your behavior reflects upon you or you can continue being angry about suffering understandable backlash to your continued jackass-ness. Since it appears you don’t want to suffer that backlash, then it behooves you to not behave like one.

@ Fuller:

Agreed.

@ Smickno:

Sorry, love you anyway.

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FangYao (As proud chinese)

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 4:54 pm

enn…really love you guys what talk about
in china we lack of the huge criticism, too much positive and fake news… it doesn’t help people to think outside the box.
criticism (what ever right or wrong) is good for seeing the things from other side, open people’s mind.
i really hope one day in china we can accept all criticism, think more wisely for the people, see thing separately. it happens so often when western median criticized the Chinese government, but all the Chinese people took this very personally, then against other countries or the normal foreigners.(which is also because the government made brainwashed news)
As Chinese i hope it can be changed, people can understand each other and accept the different, open mind.

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FangYao (As proud chinese)

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 5:14 pm

to FDLR
i knew how frustrated is your feeling, the culture shake is everywhere.
but difficult condition all bring us get stronger,
maybe after a few years you think back this experience you will appreciate the day which spent in china.
most people which you hated in china are also victims by the government and current society. and they don’t even know that
for me i will try my best to help the people. it is call hoping
hope one day you will find your own happiness as well
best

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Veer Left

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 8:05 pm

FangYao, Thanks for being objective in your responses.

Smickno, you don’t know much about this place do you. The ‘all lilacs and honey’ attitude that you preach at FDLR with is obviously either the result of the opiate fed to the ‘laowai guest’ or the BS of the poser.
Either way, he is NOT the guy with the book.

And please don’t even think about questioning my experience level in this country, it’ll get messy.

FDLR likes to stir it up and allow everyone to get the shit off of their chest. Through it all though, there is an element of unwavering reality to it. Sad huh? Once you take off your Red star caps and your Young Pioneer scarves and see the world around you, you can see the little things that he’s talking about. I see it, I’ve lived it.

If the only problems you have with peoples manners in China is that they are feeding you too much…then you are being used. Beware.

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smickno

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 8:13 pm

I knew it! I knew it! There are surely many good Chinese in spite of all the nasty things said about China and its people. FYSPC is an excellent example. I like what he said:

“for me i will try my best to help the people. it is call hoping
hope one day you will find your own happiness as well
best”

We are the product of our society. Operant conditioning, government propaganda, whatever, via the media can influence and mislead people. FYSPC is absolutey right when he said:

“most people which you hated in china are also victims by the government and current society. and they don’t even know that”

We can go on and on to criticise the effects to the exclusion of the causes, until the cows come home, but will it help?

But..but…but if not for the criticisms, I think this website would have been that much quieter, with a significantly lesser number of viewers and commenters. It is the NOISE, which frequently got off-tangent vis-a-vis the original post, which makes this site a popular place for those wild PEOPLE here. Take away the noise and you shan’t have Gold members.

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FangYao (As proud chinese)

Friday, November 28, 2008 at 10:22 pm

thanks guys,
there are a lot of the crazy things happen in china now, as a chinese i have been worried about the future of chinese people. it is even more difficult for me to meet an open mind local chinese friend. but please still believe one power, try your best to wake up and help the people around you.most of them have a beautiful heart.

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TahwYOJ

Saturday, November 29, 2008 at 1:01 am

Kai,

That’s good and all, but still we are arguing about a fundamental wrong here that one shouldn’t judge based on some bullshit (like murder is wrong, but hey in reality people murder all the time, you can’t control that). This is a slippery slope that is related to all kind of bullshit such as stereotyping, etc. This is one of the reason why I’m shoehorning this shit here. This is related to a “persecution” thing that I feel, i.e. that even though people in the West have the same sort of “brain-washing judgments” (socialism is EVIL. Them people don’t have no human-rights.) and prejudices, but some act like they are above all that petty human shit (i.e we are better.) Granted, they may be different, but it is the same “class” of shit; a phenomenon that I see played across the Internet with this accusatory tone toward the Chinese which paints the Chinese people as somehow “evil.” (hell, even animals, clearly as seen in this post.) Granted, this is not a “big” movement or anything like that, but it is there. Plus, it’s just human are not perfect. You may have someone who is “cultured” and PC but slips 10% of the time and become a total jackass and racist (e.g. I’m angry today so I’m going to let my darkness out). THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE. I feel what you said is painting everything too black and white. Accusing me of not adhering to the reality and theory. Everything back at ya bud.

And what culture should I be categorized under exactly? LOL? I’m the evil Frankenstein-esque product of two fucked up cultures. So there.

When I was being a jackass I was simply making the point that there are jackasses everywhere. I was portraying them.

BTW, your whole attitude is sort of self defeatist, don’t you think? We Asians should stand up for our shit, and not always fucking conform to a set cultural norms and roles (stop being a jackass because it embrasses your culture) that is expected from us (lol. super cliche coming up. Am I losing face for you??? HAHAHAHAHA. Get Real). Fuck it all. Fuck your culture. Fuck all cultures. It’s all typical human bullshit. Everyone all high and mighty with their “cultures and traditions.” It’s all just bullshit. I hate humans. We should all DIE so planet earth and the universe can have some peace and quiet.

JACKASS.

Fuller,

I don’t have a problem with you. When I wrote what I wrote I was angry at FDLR.

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TahwYOJ

Saturday, November 29, 2008 at 1:07 am

Granted, this all probably is some sort of persecution complex paranoia. But fuck it. I don’t give a fuck.

That’s right. Go on believe whatever you want about the Chinese people based on my actions. HAHA. Lick my balls. It should also say something about American culture too. Or are you just too colored by your own prejudices and checked me all in the Chinese box?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

FUCK YOU!!

FUCK YOU KAI. YOU SELF DEFEATIST MOTHEFUCKER.

FUCK THE REST OF YOU READING THIS SHIT>

PLEASE ALIENS. DESTROY PLANET EARTH. I GIVE YOU TWO DOLLARS.

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TahwYOJ

Saturday, November 29, 2008 at 1:15 am

Kai, stop with you model minority conformist bullshit, mmkay. It’s like if I read some posts by some rednecks… Rednecks are certainly product of the culture (and there is nothing wrong with being a redneck.) So now all Americans are rednecks??? HA. Right? That’s your logic.

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