‘China Does Not Have Any Men Suitable For Me’

Pretty Asian girl holding glass of wine.A Shanghai Jiaotong University female’s views on marriage.

Author: Self-professed leader of the Jiaotong University football [soccer] cheerleading team.

I am a female student of Shanghai Jiaotong University. It’s my first time writing a post. Please don’t laugh at my bad writing.

Everyone has an ideal in life. Some wants to become a hero, some wants to become rich, some other desires to become a leader. So what about me? My greatest wish in life is to marry a Western1 man. Some might say I am very vulgar, or even a turncoat, but I am a very traditional girl. To me, the most important thing in life is marriage. There is a very trendy saying currently, that studying well is not as good as marrying well. Marrying the right man is more important than anything else.

Some might ask, “Are there not enough good men in China?” Sorry, I have not considered before. As for the reason, don’t be impatient. Sofa, stool, the floor, take your pick, and listen to this girl’s reasons one by one.

I. China does not have any men suitable for me.

I am a very distinct/outstanding girl. In terms of academics, I am studying at a famous university, have an excellent academic record, and I am not one who wears thick glasses or sticks her head into books like a high-IQ geek. I have an excellent figure, an amazing look and a cultivated style of conversation. I am the leader of the football [soccer] cheerleading team. I took part in the local beauty pageants many times. I also have an interest for music, dance and art. Additionally, I often write some gossips for the newspaper. In summary, I am an excellent girl in every aspect. But what kind of man should I marry? There are lots of boys who are pursuing me, and most of my friends have boyfriends as well.

But when they graduate, they either break up, or they start talking about marriage, about family matters and where to settle down. They talk so seriously about everything, expect for love which is the most important thing in a marriage. I am very passionate about my life, I wish to have both a excellent materialist and spiritual life. Sorry that I can’t find that on a Chinese man. Marry a schoolmate, eventually become a white collar in a company? Can that afford a house?

I want to have a huge living room, big enough to be like a small salon. I could be together with my friends talking about anything under the sun, savoring high quality wine. Even the bathroom must be big enough to fit in a large bathtub, for two people, so I can put on some gentle music and spend a romantic night with my beloved husband.

Also, the guy I marry must at least have enough money to buy a car, right? Or am I supposed to go to work by bus everyday? It is like in a freezer in winter, and in a microwave in summer, and within a few years a beautiful young girl will become a dark-skinned granny. Besides, are you guys really willing to let a white-collar beauty like me be pushed around by those dirty migrant workers?

China definitely does not lack rich men, but have a look at what kind of people they are. How many of them succeeded due to their own effort, ability or honesty? If they are not brick-moving labour contractors, then they are coal-digging boss from Shanxi, or they are corrupt. They are neither civilised, nor do they have a good bearing. How am I supposed to converse with them? To be honest, they will regard it as art if you are able to hum a few lines of pop music.

When they have money, they will go out eating, drinking, visiting prostitutes, or gambling. Just trying to live a peaceful life would be difficult. There are already people coming to the university to pursue me, extending their arms to give me business cards showing that they are some CEO, chairmen of the board, high-ranking bureaucrats, each of them wealthier and more arrogant than the other. Some even directly suggest me to be their concubine. Oh my God! I may not be an exceptionally beautiful woman, but I am at least a young and beautiful girl, who worked very hard for years to get into a prestigious university, and I can only be a mistress?!

II. Western countries have better living conditions.

Even if a rich single guy, outstanding, elegant, and falls in love with me, hmph hmph, this girl [referring to self] still will not really want to marry him. To be blunt, I just want to marry into the West. The Western world I have seen in television and movies is simply like heaven: clean streets, elegant buildings, pure air. Regardless whether bustling cities or quiet villages, everything seems to be so peaceful and harmonious. Regardless their academic background, everyone is very polite.

Based on this MM‘s [my] abilities, I could of course be a woman who lives in a villa, but so what? Even if we can afford a villa, can we buy clean air? Isn’t there dirt and dust everywhere in this country? The rural areas are better, but I don’t want to go there. Wouldn’t it be weird, if while I am sun-bathing in a bikini at my swimming pool a bunch of farmers outside the fence carrying baskets of dung stare at me? Tibet indeed has very pure air, but please, this girl is afraid of high attitude sickness.

I especially dislike the current living environment. Every home has anti-theft doors, and despite having lived in the same building for years, everyone is awkward every time they meet each other. Many people can’t even be bothered to bring their garbage downstairs, piling it up in front of the doors in the summer stinking. Sometimes I even wonder whether I am not living together with a bunch of cavemen. Rice has poison, milk powder will result in big heads, pork is from floods, oil is from the ditches, just thinking about it makes me terrified.

Sorry, you want me to love you, give me a reason first? Don’t have any? Start loving foreign countries. The American “home town” [sic], France’s vinyards, Spanish coastal towns, British medieval villages, it could be any of those. One of my schoolmates went to study abroad in Canada, and brought his/her father there for half a year. and when he came back he would whine: “Ai, that [Canada] is really a place fit for people to live.” Don’t give me any excuses, if you want my love, you have to give me a reason, right?

The costs of living in China is too high. We spend like Americans and earn like Africans. My parents worked hard to send me to university, so I should repay them and take care of them right? Even I become a high-ranking white-collar, would the salary really be that high? My parents are getting old. If they become ill and hospitalised, what can I do about the excessively expensive medical bills? Western countries have universal health care. Especially the job market in China, there is nothing to be praised. Each time I see the over-crowded job fairs, I almost get a heart attack. Dear me! The job fairs are rather like WW2 Omaha Beach (Normandy on D-Day). I am a delicate girl, how can I squeeze through these smelly guys?

As a modern woman, the first task in life is to survive, study and get into university, find a job, save money for a house, and save money for retirement. Which one of these does not require slaving away? Isn’t it tiring? If my fellow schoolgirls did not become dark-skinned grannies after graduating, they found a rich person to marry, and allow their husbands to go out eating, drinking, visiting prostitutes, and gambling, pretending they do not know, why suffer?

Pretty Asian girl.

III. Western boys are all very excellent.

Having said this much, that the environment is good, material things are good, this third point is what I value the most: I simply like Western men. Ever since I was small, I liked watching Western movies, such as Roman Holiday” or “Gone with the Wind,” and I liked watching the Westerners in the movies, their faces are all so sharp and distinctive, especially their charming coloured eyes, their straight pronounced noses, their tight smooth lips. Moreover, the majority of Westerners are tall, have strong and handsome physiques, and always so sexy. Then I look at the Chinese guys around me: Ignoring the small eyes, they have lumpy noses, thick lips, and if their skin is tanned a bit, they look remarkably like Africans. Those who have been educated almost all look malnourished, making me worried whether they can protect me or not. Occasionally, there is a muscular man, but despite having grown a head, they did not grow a brain.

Many college guys are pursuing me, and other guys in society also often ask me out on dates, but there are not many I like. Each of them either look like a soy sprout, or like Ultraman [character from a Japanese TV show], each of them unkempt, and at minimum each of them do not pay attention to their own image. Many of the guys spit in public, I particularly dislike people who do this. Only little children and animals defecate and urinate everywhere, and spitting in public is not much better than defecating and urinating in public, so at most they count only as half-civilised.

The majority of Western men carry themselves elegantly and well, because they received good education from when they were small. In our city there are McDonald’s and KFC restaurants, and I often go there with friends to eat. All the Western men in the restaurants seem to have good upbringing, opening doors for others to enter first. Chinese guys, the moment the door opens, they rush towards the counter, often colliding with people exiting, as if they were the reincarnation of someone who starved to death in their last life. The Westerners1 who enter all stand in line, Chinese men rush up in a crowd, surrounding the counter shouting their orders. as if they haven’t eaten any food in a long time. And without being ashamed, they throw their trash wherever after eating, but those Westerners would fold up the waste paper in their trays, making it convenient to dispose, and what they haven’t finished, they throw go dispose of in the wastebins by themselves. The two are simply are not the same level of people.

Furthermore, some Chinese men lack a sense of independence, only knowing how to revolve around girls, living like a super nanny. I feel they don’t have a self, sticking their thoughts on girls all day. Getting on the bus, they scramble for a seat, then busy themselves trying to give it to a girl, not caring about the elderly or children beside them, that I am embarrassed to sit down. This kind of men I also look down upon, revolving around their girlfriends before marriage, revolving around their wives after marriage, revolving around their bosses at work, and revolving around the kitchen after work. No thoughts, no temper, my god, I would be afraid of the son I have with this man being like his father, a model citizen so obviously cultivated by an authoritarian country.  What girl does not like a man with personality and courage?

Western men were all raised in an environment of independence. They have independent thinking, not like Chinese men, who are parrots.  Take my schoolmates for example. When the government talks about Japan and China’s good bilateral relationships, they like Japan. When the government promotes nationalism, they shout about attacking Japan. Each and every one of them are brainless, played like monkeys by others, yet still thinking themselves to be high and mighty. The whole lot of them a bunch of “pig headed men.”

There are some things I cannot say in real life, so I can only say them online.

Pretty Asian girl on steps.

In summary, I simply want to marry a Westerner, at best an American, but European is not bad either. As for  criteria…I am not very demanding, it is no big deal even if his education is lower than mine, and no specific requirements about his work…isn’t the monthly salary for washing dishes at McDonald’s over a thousand USD? This can still allow him to buy a car and house. If this isn’t possible, I will just find a divorced man and be willing to be a stepmother. Besides, Western children have a strong sense of independence, at least they will not let me always clean up after them and cater to their every whim, right? If even this is not possible, Japanese or Korean men I would also consider, I would even consider marrying a Korean or Japanese. At worst, they will not cook for me.  No matter what, I just want to leave the country and go to the West, if not for freedom then for money.2

I admit I am very worldly, but I don’t consider my thinking to be wrong. I am not hurting other people, I just want to live a better life, whether it is materially or culturally. I watched an American show “Desperate Housewives.” That quiet village, clean streets, green lawns, and elegant, polite neighbours, and I knew, that is the kind of life I want.

This story has actually been on the Chinese internet for some time, maybe a year. It will occasionally reappear and there will be new comments by netizens who have not read the story before. Copies of the original Chinese can be found on Xinhua and Baidu.

Notes:

1 She used the words 老外 [lǎo wài] and 西方男人 [xī fāng nán rén] here interchangeably which literally mean “old foreigner” and “Western men” respectively. I consistently used the word “western”, although “老外 [lǎo wài]” of course would theoretically also include Korean or Japanese. But it is usually applied to Westerners or countries with a similiar political or cultural system.

2 The original Chinese words used were 选票 [xuǎn piào] and 钞票 [chāo piào] which mean “vote” and “banknotes” respectively. They both end in the same character, literally saying “voting slip” and “money slip”.

Comments from Baidu:

Clever, very clever!!! Only one sentence, nothing more to say.

First: With this kind of mindset, even if I was rich I would not want.
Second: This kind of female, is suitable for being a walking corpse [rotten, useless person]
Third: Counting three generations upwards, your ancestors were all peasant farmers. According to your thinking, all of your male ancestors would never be able to get a wife, so please tell me where did you come from?
Fourth: After letting the dogs fuck you ten thousand times, let then every Japanese do you. Go become a comfort woman for the Japanese.

After reading that, I am speechless. But I forced myself to write a reply, for the dignity of Chinese men. I tried hard not to immediately curse you, but in the end I cannot stop myself. You are simply a woman who did not get enough dick in your last life, what damn qualifications do you have for scolding Chinese men, including all the men in your family, and of course your own father. I imagine your dad would be pissed to death after reading this, and even if he did not die, he would become an idiot because your dad is also a Chinese man. You have grown up wasting how much of the country’s resources, and have you made just one day’s contribution to the country after graduating? Instead, you deny/reject your own ancestors, you “white eyed wolf” [someone who bites the hand that feeds her]. Had he known you were like this, your dad should have held back three seconds so he could ejaculate onto the wall instead, to save me from being pissed off today because of you, wasting my time to replying to this post.

Everyone has the right to choose their own life. As a Chinese, her being able to write out all of this is also not an easy thing to do, so it is possible that Chinese men really have let you down. I don’t know if you wrote this post in one go, I think it is not bad, and demonstrates your writing talent. But have a closer look at your essay: Everything you know about what is outside of the country comes from movies and media. I don’t know whether you are still studying or already working, but I want to say that nothing in the real world is absolute. Where there are good people, there will also be bad people; this is a very balanced world. Furthermore, have you done the calculations? How much wealth can you create? Everyone is clear about what they want, especially someone who has received higher education like you. Marriage is not like dating, marriage is even less a joke. Who do you think would look for a recent graduate who, other than being well-educated and pretty (this is what you said, I have never met you), cannot create any value? I say this without implying anything else, only wanting to say that if you want to reach your goal, should you not first consider for a moment where your own worth is?

Having your own dream is a virtue. For human being, he (she) has even more charm. But the form of this kind of dream must have a kind of self-sketched ability, and not something that goes by the book. This dissertation/thesis is a bowl of “hui guo rou” [a Chinese dish of recooked pork].

What a lamentable person! What reasons caused this outcome? This is a problem worth pondering by every Chinese person!

I neither support or am against your thinking. Everyone has the right to choose their own life, just like those in the red-light districts working the night shifts. They themselves are very happy, they do not have to do anything, yet they can get anything. From their perspective, I can understand them. After all, there are people in this world who have self-respect and self-love, and those who wallow in degeneration, and can sell their dignity and soul to chase material comforts, people who live life one day at a time.
Everyone has their way to find happiness, it does not need to be the same.
But I still want to ask you, do you believe in lifelong love? Although I have not found it, I believe in it!

Comments from 6park:

Continue your daydreaming! A foreigner would not give money to you!
He thinks it’s his money. If you want to spend money, earn your own! Haha…

Don’t get upset. Put her abroad for five years, and then let her see whether foreign men or Chinese men are good. She still has this good image about abroad like from the early 90s.

Obviously, this woman has never seen real foreign men.

Support! That’s a girl with a strong character.

Foreign men also drink, gamble and go to prostitutes. Them having money doesn’t mean that you can spend it.

Trash woman.

Pretty Asian girl sitting down bending over.See more views on love and marriage by Chinese women and netizens:

Images: These images are not of the author. I am not sure if the author added the pictures to her original post or if other netizens added them when they reposted her essay. Some of the pictures were stupid so I did not include them here but I include two. One is extra – Fauna.

  • Why are there always some girls who make Chinese girls lose face. Although I feel angry and a bit sad after reading this long article, there is nothing I can do to prevent such a bad trend in China.

    • jimmyjim

      here’s the thing! this girl, is right about one thing…
      there are alot of chinese men, who do seem to be snobbish.
      and mommas boys ! but they are raised in homes that worship the men and young boys from a early age..
      and that goes back 5000 yrs of culture, women have always
      been Reguarded as secondthe home!! if you go live your life? you are banished from the Famaly in Places..
      women are forced to seek Equal Partnerships where women are worshiped in our country… we are Raised in america to show much Respect to our moms.. look china is going through a growing stage where women want some Respect…
      china is a very old culture Noble culture, its haveing a hard time with change, Remember this!! a womens love is a gift to any man… he must earn her Respect before he is Givein the gift of her love……. besides that, if an asian women does not Respect you? LOOK OUT…… for every one who thinks this women is Disrespectful and shallow?? look what she has started with all the mean and unspirited comments? she is most likely sitting back WITH HER ASIAN MAN, and smileing at all the fighting going on, with one story about asian men….
      me?? I think she is smart as Hell!!!!!
      jimmyjim…

    • Bill 2

      She’s getting sick soon .

  • angry kid

    This chick knows nothing about “western men”.
    But, if she likes KFC(junk) that much, USA should be a good place to go.
    Good luck to her western dream!

    • http://chinaSmack not you

      you have no idea what you are talking about. America is not all KFC fast food. We have cuisine from all over the world, and real western food, not junk food, is far more healthier than chinese food smothered in oil and msg–heart disease waiting to happen.

      But I think we are all missing the point. She is chinese so she certainly likes Chinsese food. And what she is saying is not very different from every woman in the world. It sounds pretty greasy and vulgar to give sombody your business card–asking for a date or a assignation–that is 100% sleazy, low-class, and will most certainly turn-off any girl. these men treat her like a whore. And she is just a kid, a child. NO doub these me are in their forties. That disgusts me. It probably disgusts her too. I’ve see fit chinese men. I’m sure some of them have a brain, but it is lonely when you are a smart thinking person. MOst people are common. So even she goes west she will meet non-thinking me, but probably less. But the point is–her complaints about China signal what needs to be done. Nobody in their right mind wants to live in dirt and pollution. Do you? Clean it up–Now, don’t just talk about. Be considerate of others, esp. the people you are with, and the girls you see. be genuine–dont hand out business cards and treat every women like a whore. Use manners. I can totally sympathize with her on this–I hate traveling in China–every body pushing and shoving to get things–me, me, me, me–soooo selfish and greedy. Everybody says not my business! But it is–can’t you see–it is! We are a community. This kind of behavior is a blatant disrespect of other human beings and the community, and yourself. She should not be seen as a ‘turncoat’, but as a signpost–BEWARE–wake-up–and you should be saying this is what we need to do to improve our society, not to be like the west, but for our own health and humanity. Respect. I find most chinese men disgusting too, coughing up throaty mucus and spitting it at my feet or on the floor of a public bulding or even a restaraunt where people eat–thats unhealthy, wretched. But i find many chinese woman equally offensive–belching, huge yawns, picking thier nose in public, sweaty greasy arm-pit hair, enormous body odor, decaying black and yellow teeth. its nasty! Obviously, this is not all chinses women, but many. And many more are the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen. But there are a lot of women in China.

      I think China needs a lesson in Hygiene 101, and manners. maaners exist becuase we all have to live together in close quarters, so we should respect each other, and be considerate. manners ar enot pretentioous. They are respectful and show that you do not think you are the only person who matters.

      Any sane girl will want to live in a community that cares for and respects each other, not one that is so selfish it litters the street like a dump. No sane person wants to live thier own trash and shit. Animals do that.

      BUt i said it before, i’ll say it again–she too is a selfish materialistic girl and reflects everything she does not like. She is a hypocrite.

      This is also a peronal ad and should be removed from the forum. its a gimmmick.

      • MVP

        This post looks suspicious. Nice try to start a flame war.

      • Sturich

        Some of what you said is good.
        Some of what you said is garbage.

        One thing you said is hilarious. “Western food” No such thing! Mac and Cheese?

        • Zoro

          No but a lean patty of grilled beef thrown on the grill is as American as it gets. BUT the great thing about of America is EVERY CULTURES food and taste is represented here.

  • SniperWZ

    thinly veiled social critique, but it does have some very valid points about contemporary life in China; what she dislikes about Chinese men seems to be centered on their materialism and me-only selfishness/lack of social etiquette, yet she is guilty of materialism herself. This toadying attitude toward the West was probably more prevalent in the 1990′s, but today, I think the myth and illusion has largely worn off…

  • Kage Musha

    “In summary, I simply want to marry a Westerner, at best an American, but European is not bad either.”

    lol, better get an European man, no Americans.
    hahaha, she dislikes the materialistic views of the Chinese men? Then why go for an American one!

    • http://chinaSmack not you

      That is a F@#%ing retarded stereotype. You think Americans are materialistic, more so than anybody else? You show your ignorance. Americans are the most generous peopl ein the world. When was last time you did something for your community, or donated to charity–the earthquake not included–or helped out a homeless guy. Probably never, because you say its not your business, or you blame the victim. Or you use the excuse that ‘i’m poor…so what can I give?’ Studies show that poor people in America give more to other poor people than millionaires or middle class yuppies (by % relative to income) and its common. Go to America and you will see millions f charity organizations that work. Go online and you will find countless non-governmental organizations–non-profits working to make a better world and feed the poor, the homeless, or nurture children, etc. You have almost none of that in Chna, because dont care about each other. Your biggest value is loyalty. Yeah, well so is it any gang, or mob, or mafia, or fascist dictator.

      You have o idea what you are talking about, so just shut up and grow up! learn to respect/value people–not just your family. i don’t believ in God, but one of my favorite figures of speech goes like this: GOd gave us friends to apologize for family.

      Americans are actually far less materialistic than Chinese, and Europeans. I lived extensively in all these places. Americans are reflected badly in the media–rhe government is often an evil vistagoth–but the people will give you the shirt off their back if they thought you needed it. Can’t say that for China.

      • http://chinaSmack not you

        In China you care about family–period–and sometimes thats a lie. In the west we care about community. So its seems communism was a lie too. Actually there is more communism in ‘meterialistic’ America, though they don’t realize it. What I mean by ‘commune-ism’ is commun-ity.

        • Haha

          More like you steal from poor countries and than wipe off some scraps to feed all the minorities you exploited and raped and continue to exploit and rape.

          China provides for friends and family first because they don’t exactly have a lot of money to throw around yet.

          Whites simply steal from other peoples and give to themselves, and then pat themselves on the back for being “generous”… they are vile.

        • http://none sylvia morris

          Dear Western Lover

          From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

          I am with you just as long as you stay pure and

          undefiled until marriage.

    • jimmjim

      I think the real reson she wants americans, is much more oppertunitys, oops spell check… we are much more respectful to women… and they are treated as partners,
      rather than object, or property!! I meen, I still open doors for a girl, or an old couple. a women whe is educated here, can make upwards of 100.000 yrly, can you do this in asisa? and realy, americans just know how to make love much better….
      jimmy..

  • Carebear

    I love KFC!!!!

  • HER DAD

    Oh, hoho, I am turning in my grave.

  • Gaoshan

    This sort of a girl is not worth getting angry over. She brags about herself, has an image of the West that comes from TV and movies (and thus does not reflect real life here) and the things she says she values are so shallow and empty that she herself must be such a person. There are millions and millions of fat, awkward, lonely western men (living in their mother’s basements) who would love to meet her I am sure. They would be perfect for her.

    As a side note… what is with the focus on money??!! Westerners are rich and poor, greedy and generous, stupid and smart, evil and good. There are westerners like this girl (people who care about brands and labels and bank accounts and status) and many that are the opposite. When I am in China, sure, things (aside from luxury items) generally cost less than they do in the U.S. so I spend more freely than normal. Also, it is like vacation so I am inclined to spend even more… perhaps this is why people talk about foreigners having so much money? I find this focus on famous brands, houses, cars, etc. to be rather disgusting. Oh well, it is good that one can choose with whom one associates, eh? I avoid this sort of person at all costs… no matter how beautiful she may be, on the inside she is empty and blank.

    • Xiao

      Yes, this is interesting. In China, there are many more men then women, but in the big cities like Beijing and Shanghai, good men are at a great shortage. I am a Chinese male and I have seen this trend with displeasure but curbed my uproar in search of reason. Rage will do nothing; reason can solve a problem. The problem is that too many Chinese men would see this and be angry and hate her and that would be all that they do. But they must listen to what she says. She did not say that she does not like Chinese men because they are Chinese; she says that it is because they act discourteously and neglect exercise. I have seen this. Females by nature will be attracted to the best male, with the best physique, the most intelligent, earning the most money, and exhibiting the most class. This is regardless of race. The solution is here. The solution is to step past your rage and work to relinquish the problem. We must act courteously, open doors for ladies, use “excuse me”, “sorry” and “thank you”. We must wear nice clothes and keep clean. In our acedemic persuits, we must not neglect to exercise and keep a well-built body. We will act with more class as we become richer. This is the solution. China is walking in that direction with our rising economy and rising global influence. We must not act like a bunch of low-rank brigands who spit and curse. We must lead the world by being professional and civil. We are on that track and this disgrace will be rectified.

      • J

        Absolutely true, If you studied US history, you will know that the British thought those americans were uncivilized brutes. China is going thru the same thing, as the country developes, so will its people.

        • UK

          If you talk to most English people, like myself, we still think they are uncivilised brutes.

          • http://chinasmack London

            Yep, talking loudly and eating too much, love those brutish Yankies! Not.

          • Zictor

            I’m not from the US, but talking about uncivilised brutes, in the UK they are pretty heavy drinkers.

          • RickinChina

            Yes, the English are indeed far more civilized, as they amply demonstrated to the Irish and among their football fans and Liverpool lads. Nary a fattie in the Queen’s emerald isle, either, and the women are ravishing what with their teeth at all angles, their spotty complexions, their sure and loud opinions, and their ski sloping noses and pale skin.

      • zing

        Had to laugh at your comment, “London.” While traveling the globe, I have come to learn that although Americans are certainly not universally liked, there are many more countries that all but despise the UK for its various transgressions throughout history. Also, maybe its just the ones I’ve met while traveling, but the majority of British I’ve encountered have been rather loud and boorish themselves. I’m not saying there aren’t plenty of “Yanks” and every other culture out there making fools of themselves abroad, but it seems a bit like the kettle calling the pot black. So, I hope you enjoy being a prejudiced hypocrite. G’day.

      • WomanfromUS

        I accidentally went into this forum and found it interesting to read all the male comments responding to this woman’s dream for material wealth, status, and being the center of attention of everything. I’m an Asian living in America and always thought expressing humility and humbleness was the Chinese character and so I laughed when I was reading her letter. In America, there are so many beautiful and well educated young girls that she would only fade in the sea of the crowd. Some of the comments were right to belittle her for her naiveness and hypocritical writing of Chinese men. However, I find that your own critique of your country men was unbiased and that you are wise to listen to her complaints about Chinese men. I myself think highly of Chinese men for their loyalty and responsiblity towards their family. You are hard workers and you work hard to provide for your family. But the drinking, gambling and prostitute thing are opposing characters of the above qualities. You are right, there is a changing wind in China and eventually years from now the bad part will change. But for the Chinese men of this generation, it wil not be an easy thing to change because of the environment that you grew up in. Your voice was the voice of reason and I applaud you for it.

        • Chen

          I know some chinese women who rather go for non-China male than local male. When I asked why, the reason ain’t pretty.

          • katana

            i think all this talk about who’s better china or americans or any race is crazy …just like that girl who classifies and one by where they live at that makes them a good husband or not i cant judge all me because i can only judge the men i have been with ….an some being good and others not so good but its all in who you love not what they are or where there from …for example i have been with white ,aisan ,italian ,hatitian ,jamaican black, spanish …and so on and yes there are all raised differently there views on marriage an children are different but not that diffrent…but what people should come to understand is you have to explore the world and open you heart and mind to different people an diffrent thing because love i mean true love is never classified by what they are but who they are sooo i think she needs to really think about what she wants and where she sees her self and her future kids …. and how she wants them to see her before she starts talking about money ..and all that other stupid shit becuase money is nice but not everyone has it but together you two can work to get it thats somthing i learned wit my husband and hes filpino and im black and dominican he wasnt born in america but hes the best thing that has ever happend to me ….so the little advice i can give her is open your eyes because the world is all around her and shes missing it….

      • dutchman

        you are right,a lot of points the girl makes are true,a lot of chinese are very unpolite,if it is driving manners,sometimes i think an animal has more rights on the road,and stories abt anti socil behaviour in the cities,dirt everwhere,noise and no interest in other peoples lives,its typical for an emerging society irrespective of the thousands year civilisation.Of course life in the west Canada or other beats china with miles the cities have no suburban life of any significance so we can ratrace in poluted cities thats it.new generations will do better she may not want to wait for that cant blame her

    • http://chinaSmack not you

      i agree. But China is the most maaterialistic place on earth. it is almost everything they care about–money. Everything they say about America is true about themselves. And if they say anything its usually the opossite–from relationships to international politics. Even as they claim they are not an interventionalist nation they build aircraft carriers and a strong air-force to ‘protect’ increaqsing intersts abroad–in Africa, South America, etc. as they suck up oil like pigs. As they emerge on the international scene they will need to ‘intervenne’ and ‘interfere’ to protect their economic interests. All greedy capitalists do. Aircraft carriers serve one purpose–invasion. NOt defense.

      • China Imperialism

        Don’t forget the all out Imperialism and colonialism in Africa and Papua New Guinea. Chinese who go there to work raping the environment and resources look down on the locals as “monkeys” with no skills to get jobs… People who work sub-standard wages and sub-standard safety look down on the locals for not working for Chinese slave masters…

  • HER DAD

    I should make some money off this. She is official mail-order goods now. All rednecks or hillbillies are welcome to bid. Especially those from Kentucky are the best buyers. LOL.

    • 404namenotfound

      I swear ignorant Chinese are a shit load worse than ignorant Americans.. (Disgusted) she has no idea what shes talking about.

  • Ann

    Everyone must have dreams, that’s the difference between the Mao period and China of today. People who have dreams and hopes are happier. She sounds like a young woman feeling lost as she faces some life changing decisions upon her graduation. That is called life’s stages, from total dependence, to self-reliance and expressions, to marriage and responsibilities with ones’ own familiy, to old age. So, good for her for asking herself some questions – what does she want and where does she go from here.

    Her piece had actually contained serveral parts. She dreams of material success. She dreams of living in a pollution free and green environment. She dreams of a genteel society where people are more civilized and polite to each other. She dreams of romance and love in marriage.

    As for materialistic life appears glamourous with many pitfalls. To have financial success is to have to work long hours with little time for self-enrichment and family, to be under stress constantly. There is always another new and improved status item to want and more debt to pay. As long as basic necessity is met and have enough savings for retirement and children’s education, a modest goal is more realistic that brings contentment. This puruit of material well being has no ending if one is to go along with the commercial propaganda.

    Pollution – everyone in China would share this desire without debate. There should be no trash thrown about, industries should be fined for pollution. Government should starting enforcing and caping pollution.

    Politeness and neighborliness – Chinese certainly can improve on this score in comparison to other people in the world. Look to Switzerland for its cleanliness, Japanese for her civil society, Americans for her friendliness, etc. Pushing and shoving and loudness is not tolerated in most societies except China.

    Quality of men, all women desire soft considerate romantic men with empathy. Those moneyed Chinese men can learn to lower their arrogance a bit, be humble, be helpful and listen with care. Dress cleanly but not necessarily expensively. Speak of music, art and poetry. What this University graduate said is true in many ways about the newly minted men. As for her desire to marry foreigners, it carries a different set of problems because of cultural gap. It would take extra patience, insight and communication to overcome cultural misunderstandings that affects a relationship when the physical attraction wears out.

    There is a saying in English, “The grass is always greener over the fence.” I would advise this girl to be patient, to continue her education to a higher level, trust and depend on herself above all for survival. When she has many skills, her dreams will be rewarded some how because she has many more options from which to choose. Her concern about her parents becoming a burden to her will take time for her to embrace. Youth fades quickly and when she is in her middle age, she will mature and understand her duties and obligations.

    Chinese netizens, don’t be the first one to throw stones when you live in a glass house. What she wrote is a common secret desire for many Chinese. She just articulated them for you.

  • Wise Man

    You go girl!

    Welcome to America – freedom of speech and KFC…

    Here you can be anything… including single if you want…

  • RnM

    I admire the fact she’s saying what many people won’t say about materialism in life. It’s a brutally honest reflection on society, nevertheless I think she needs to adopt a more pragmatic attitude if she’s going to find a man.

  • J

    XD She should try her luck in West Virginia.

  • SniperWZ

    I think this site could use a forum so we can post messages properly and userIDs won’t get ripped off like Rick’s…

  • Veer Left

    Very heartfelt lamentation from this young female. Unfortunately, that if it is heartfelt and not a hoax created to stir up a backlash against intercultural relationships…IT IS ALSO VERY SAD.

    All I see, as a westerner (albeit a dark one…haa) …is a very easy target. Show a bit of cash… some wild ‘new’ ideas, and bam! Sleep with her.

    Newsflash to this girl. Western guys aren’t stupid either… they see your weakness and will exploit it to the same degree that you would exploit them for their greencard, social constructs etc.

    I am totally disgusted and amazed by the amount of open racism and latent self-loathing that permeates her every sentence.

    Freud would have a field day with this bitch.

  • Hawaiian-chinese

    what’s up with chinese girls and the western addiction, hell myself have a china addiction, came from shanghai… now gotten bored with the states and wants to go back to the mother land. But girls with this type of mentality is just too damn common in shanghai, married off to a westerner get out of the country earn a US or any other western citizenship; divorce. then find another rich man too live off of. Sad … just Sad.

    • RickinChina

      Of course, your glaring ass-umption is that they get divorced, or at a rate any higher than other couples. This way you can justify your consternation–or is it prejudice. Comes from living in the only U.S. state with an Asian-American MAJORITY.

  • HER DAD

    Here are some high class Western men very suitable for her.

    http://www.rightblueeye.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/HillbillyTeeth.jpg

    http://hoox.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/hillbilly.jpg

    Honey, these guys will make your dream come true.

  • SniperWZ

    that video clip is probably illegal to possess in the U.S.(child pornography laws, etc), but not sure about China, I know people get fined, but that seems to be arbitrary enforcement…

  • ZQ

    This sentiment (and fallacy) is become more and more common… within the subconscious of the chinese lady sits a dream of western sex and riches… which often results in disappointment and divorce. Wake up and live… from a western man.

  • douglas Yopp

    This is a very beautiful young lady indeed however she seems to live in a TV/Movie world. I think that she needs to mature some more before thinking about some of the things that she writes about. No doubt in my mind that she can indeed find a rich American man as beautiful as she is but how will it end in happiness or divorce? She does need to mature some.
    By the way I am an American man and though not rich rich I do have money but would not consider such a lady for marriage until she matures some. My money will only increase in quantity and value her looks are probably at it’s peak right now and will only go downhill from here.

  • Ms_Chief

    If she is so great, then perhaps she should get to the Western world on her own merits rather than whoreing herself to some sad horny old yellow-fevered-up loser who happens to have opened a door for her. This girl is such a snob and should show more respect towards her own culture and race.

    It’s actually quite sad that she truly believes all Westerners live like the Desperate Housewives. It’s like Westerners believing that all Chinese are scholarly, live in giant houses with courtyards, all elaborately dressed, can fly and can kick arse.

    How can someone supposed to be intelligent be so deluded? Some basic education should have taught her that although wages in Western countries are higher on paper, the cost of living is also proportionally higher. The average McDonald’s worker won’t be able to get a mortgage for a house with a big lounge, bathtub for two plus a car on their wages.

    Also, I think she’s ripe pickings for any Westerners fancying a bit of a dalliance. Perhaps being used and discarded enough times will wake her up to the reality that Western men aren’t the gentlemen on her pedestal. I think Western relationships don’t expect a great deal of commitment at the start, and her sniffing for marriage will be enough to scare most away, not to mention her blatant gold-digging.

    One of the things I hate most about the Chinese today, which they seem to have caught from the West, is the rampant consumerism of which she seems to have been caught by, hook line & sinker. She is the ice salesman’s eskimo. It’s sad that people waste so much time and effort, and make themselves miserable by wanting so much useless sh!t.

  • Mike Rotch

    I am willing to take her as wife and bring her to the USA. But, that back door will be mine, and I will utilize it heavily every single day.

  • Anonymous westerner

    Did she leave contact information?

    Lets re post this on some expat websites and make it happen!

  • SniperWZ

    She probably doesn’t realize there is a financial crisis in the U.S., the western man who takes her may likely default on the house mortgage and also credit card debt, she will then have to work at KFC…I think it will be actually educational for her to come to the U.S. to shatter the illusions she and others hold.

  • http://everymanscritic.blogspot.com Chinamatt

    This was funny. Really liked this line: “isn’t the monthly salary for washing dishes at McDonald’s over a thousand USD? This can still allow him to buy a car and house.” Absolutely hilarious. Sadly, I’ve met plenty of people in China who are amazed at the minimum wage in the US. They just don’t realize that minimum wage is poverty level.

  • RnM

    Minimal wage in the US is still considerable from a Chinese POV, they just don’t realize the standard of living is very different in the US.

    • Nicola

      “washing dishes at McDonald’s over a thousand USD?“

      Since when were there any dishes in McDonalds?

      Well, for a Chinese, it’s not a bad piece of writing and she has some certain ability to think outside of the box – which is nice to see, but she certainly thinks highly of herself – it’s almost off putting. She’ll grow up one day and realize things aren’t quite so black and white…

  • Rick in China

    @SniperWZ
    She’s a university student. She doesn’t know who she herself is yet – let alone what’s important in life – let alone how used up and loose she’ll be by the time her materialism-based search for “marrying an American” is in full swing :)

    Then she’ll reconsider, and realize men are men – everywhere – and she’ll have to change her attitude significantly before finding a man of any race who is of any quality and finds her interesting.

    • Wil

      “…men are men – everywhere…”

      Amen.

  • Gaoshan

    @Chinamatt -> Wow I missed that line about McDonald’s… that is amazing, I wonder if many other Chinese are THAT far off on what things cost in the U.S.

    On even 4 times that amount you would struggle to have much. I suppose the hugely different taxes are unknown in China. Here is a breakdown for any Chinese wondering:
    Income Tax: 25% of everything I earn.
    State Tax: 5% of everything I earn.
    Local Tax: 2% of everything I earn.
    Sales Tax: 6.75% of everything I buy.
    Social Security: 7% of everything I earn.
    Property: I pay $4,000 a year. It ranges from about $2,000 to over $10,000. Utility fees: about $500 a month.
    Health Insurance: $550 a month (plus extra for doctor visits).
    Car Insurance: $700 per year.

    There are MANY more taxes, fees and expenses that come with living in the U.S. so a McDonald’s employee earning $1,000 a month would be about as well off as a homeless migrant worker in construction site housing.

    • RickinChina

      Actually, with the new minimum wage, a full-time worker at McDonalds makes about $1,200 a month. Depending on where this worker lives, he or she can rent a decent apartment and buy enough food but not save much. Said worker can earn more by staying on the job and becoming an assistant manager. Hardly comparable to what a migrant worker can obtain. As for taxes, they vary considerably, with some states not having any local or state taxes, so let’s not overgeneralize Gaoshan.

  • Truth Hurtz

    This is a great example of someone who labels everyone, that is except for herself. Her use of over generalization is astounding and displays a completely black and white picture on both sides (West and East). Ironically she did not label her self (ahem gold digger and egotistical). This girl is completely lost by the notion of ‘greener pastures’ and her fallacy with the help of Hollywood gives her no personal substance. This girl thinks she’s ‘deep’ but in fact she only licking the earth or in this case the Western world.

    May the backhand of reality slapeth some sense into this girl.

  • SniperWZ

    @Chinamatt, maybe back in the heyday of the credit bubble, a person making $1K can get a sub-prime mortgage with 0% down and a car loan also with 0 down, not anymore…the house would now be forclosed and high gas prices would have grounded that car anyway by now…

  • Anonymerican

    My first reaction is…what an idiot. She disses her own people due to a fantasy that a Western man can provide her dream. What is her value? She wants to sit in her parlor like living room and wile away the day chatting with friends? She has just been labelled as the atypical negative stereotype of a Chinese gold-digging girl.

    Her education seems to be a joke. No morals, no humility, no IQ. Maybe she can catch some English teachers fancy at a KTV lounge…

    a western man

    • Puqui

      Exactly- too many English teachers trolling for Chinese you know what. I know a few who married their students. Creepy. During the last few years in China we (European married couple) have been disgusted by the number of foreign men with Chinese women – most/many of these guys are as shallow, unethical and disgusting as this woman. Whose zooming who? Mutual masturbation. One English teacher said to my husband when he was at his apartment, “Come one, let’s go online and look for Chinese women,” to which my husband replied, “I’m married, obviously you don’t have a concept.” I am only one person here, but I know of at least three men who left their Western wives for Chinese women while I’ve been in China. I have met families whose fathers with families in other countries. We figure these Western men either can’t get a good Western woman, don’t want to have to play fair with a Western women, have racist ideas about “exotic beauty” or just want someone to put up or shut up. And most of us have seen the most unattractive men with beautiful girls that could be their daughters. Creepy. Too bad she can’t figure out that if it were so great in the West, many of us would be there. True love, hahahahahaha

  • Eric Wong

    I am a Singaporean of Chinese descent who have travelled to the West as well as to China and other parts of Asia. I speak both Chinese (Mandarin and Cantonese, and some Fujianese) as well as English.

    I think the writer’s view and conception of the West is totally flawed. If the folks in the movie business in China were to shoot their scenes in the hundreds and hundreds of scenic spots in China, it will project China as a clean and green place, just like those scenes she saw on American movies. Her misguided thinking is a result of her not having been to the West, and seen what Hollywood or even the Hong Kong movie directors will not show. (Go to Hong Kong and see for yourself that it is not what you see in Hong Kong dramas…ditto for USA)

    It is also not true that western men are more cultivated or independent. They also visit prostitutes and many of them who come to China to work are doing precisely that..but they also visit prostitutes in their own countries, eh?

    It is really sad to see that there are many more Chinese girls who think like the writer, and who throw themselves into these men. After a few years, these men leave for home (and by the way, many of them have wives and children back home) and the poor Chinese girls are simply left behind.

    I have myself met many good Chinese men. It may be true their difficult past have brought forward some undesirable attirbutes, but these will take time to change.

    Incidentally, being conversant in both languages (and culture), my opinion is that the Chinese language is more beautiful, and it is sad to see that the writer, coming from a good Chinese university, cannot appreciate what a rich culture China has, choosing instead to worship almost everything western.

    • Moji

      I want to be perfectly clear that there really is no downside to living in American suburbs. Great people from all races, loads of middle-class jobs… easy access to the cities… and no pollution.
      Even the most polluted city in the US doesn’t even begin to compare to the least polluted city in China. However you feel about Americans, you should at least make informed statements.

      As for the girl, she’s a whore. She shouldn’t so openly make such a statement. If this is how she feels, good for her, but why broadcast it like this? If she has angst about the way China is, that’s one thing (and totally understandable… living in Shanghai is like living in Hell when you’re coming straight from Taipei City and Minneapolis)… but her points could’ve been stated alone. She needn’t center her complaints around her personal conclusion.

      This had the potential to be a raw, intelligent indictment of flaws in modern Chinese culture, but it turned into some bimbo ranting about her dream world.

      And although America is really great to live in, I can report that not all Western men live up to her Clarke Gable fantasies. Yes, Asian women seem to consider us very attractive. Yes, we have more money on average. Yes, we are more civilized in our mannerisms… but that doesn’t mean a Western man won’t treat you like crap a year into the relationship. No one is perfect. Men are men, but it’s true that older Chinese businessmen are often just amoral rats.

    • Moji

      Additionally, I have never heard of a single American man that I know ever visiting a prostitute. Just want to point that out… Chinese love to make this claim, that prostitution is somehow as rampant in America as it is in China. In China, you have so many whorehouses, massage parlors, etc. and they’re always busy, often operating at all hours of the day. In my city… I have never once HEARD of a hooker. I’m sure they exist, but they just aren’t found in the majority of suburban America. Even urban hookers in Chicago and NY are a rare occurrance when compared to whore culture in even small communities in China. It’s a matter of being civilized.

      Far be it from me to say that there is NO prostitution in America. There is. If you know where to look. Who knows where to look? Our politicians. And that’s probably where you get this idea. But the average American man has never seen a prostitute, or even considered seeing one. I once read in the paper when I was in HK that a majority of Chinese city men lose their virginity to hookers. It’s just a difference in culture. That’s what happens, I think, when women are kept in cages of sexual oppression…

      What’s this obsession you people have with virginity? Sick dogs. Let a woman satisfy her needs the same way you do, and then you wouldn’t have to use prostitutes.

  • Eric Wong

    I am a Singaporean of Chinese descent who have travelled to the West as well as to China and other parts of Asia. I speak both Chinese (Mandarin and Cantonese, and some Fujianese) as well as English.

    I think the writer’s view and conception of the West is totally flawed. If the folks in the movie business in China were to shoot their scenes in the hundreds and hundreds of scenic spots in China, it will project China as a clean and green place, just like those scenes she saw on American movies. Her misguided thinking is a result of her not having been to the West, and seen what Hollywood or even the Hong Kong movie directors will not show. (Go to Hong Kong and see for yourself that it is not what you see in Hong Kong dramas…ditto for USA)

    It is also not true that western men are more cultivated or independent. They also visit prostitutes and many of them who come to China to work are doing precisely that..but they also visit prostitutes in their own countries, eh?

    It is really sad to see that there are many more Chinese girls who think like the writer, and who throw themselves into these men. After a few years, these men leave for home (and by the way, many of them have wives and children back home) and the poor Chinese girls are simply left behind.

    I have myself met many good Chinese men. It may be true their difficult past have brought forward some undesirable attributes, but these will take time to change.

    Incidentally, being conversant in both languages (and culture), my opinion is that the Chinese language is more beautiful, and it is sad to see that the writer, coming from a good Chinese university, cannot appreciate what a rich culture China has, choosing instead to worship almost everything western.

  • Gaoshan

    My friend’s wife (Chinese) divorced her first husband (a Chinese guy. He was always running off to gamble and sometimes didn’t come home for days) and married a white American, moved to America and, after 10 years and 2 great kids, they are the happiest couple I know. They are not rich and they live in the countryside. You can find good partners and bad partners anywhere… no one culture is superior or inferior. You just have to find someone you connect with.

  • Eric Wong

    PS: It is MY opinion that the Chinese language is more beautiful than English….and I repeat here that China has a rich culture. Readers are free to disagree with my opinion, and to think that Western or African or Indian or whatever…languages/cultures are superior/inferior.

    That said, I do not dispute the possibility that there are happy marriages between foreign nationals and Chinese…nowhere in what I wrote suggested that these are not possible. However, let’s bear in mind how many Chinese women have been cheated as a result of their misguided beliefs in everything western…and let’s not be defensive about that but face the reality squarely, okie?

    Please read again what I have written which is in the context of what the writer of this article had written.

    • Ray

      Chinese is more a form of communication than a true language. I love China, and Chinese people, but the language? bleah.

      • Haha

        Probably because you’re too stupid to understand abstraction.

        I have never in my life met a whiteboy who was able to appreciate Chinese high literature or culture. They are simply too low IQ and cultureless.

      • oster

        Given a choice between speaking Mandarin and another Chinese varietion (don’t want to get into the dialect/language debate) like Hakka or Cantonese, I’d go for the latter.

        I find Putonghua to be much less expressive than many of its counterparts, tied as it is to recent literary language, whereas those varieties that have stronger roots in daily spoken Chinese are very… visceral.

    • oster

      On the other hand, it’s somewhat mutual. Just as many Western men have been disillusioned with the reality that their oriental wimminz do not fit into their fantasies.

      I say it’s fair trade,haha

  • Josh

    I agree with the view that this girl is somewhat naive about Western guys (and I am one). And she does seem very shallow. She does raise two valid points. One, her reference to not being able to sunbathe without a bunch of dung farmers staring is true.- I’ve accepted that China is not Italy or Brazil, but nevertheless I look forward to the day when Chinese popular society becomes better at just letting other enjoy themselves. She’s right- ordinary life in China is rarely pleasant in the private, self-indulgent way (without a lot of money) that one finds in the West. Second, yes, Western guys can be just as bad as other guys, but Chinese guys, for the most part need to get a clue. I’ve lived in China for 3 years, and I hate to say it, but Chinese guys need a lot of work. I blame an adolescence that’s 100% studying- no sports, no work, etc. they seem almost entirely to be either extremely socially awkward around women or excessively chauvinistic and ignorant. I’m sorry, but there’s no other way to put it. The nice ones are awkward and the rest are just- well, if you’ve lived there, you know. (Nevermind the rich “little emperors” who are the worst- it’s ridiculous being macho and assertive when you’re 5’4″ and have arms the size of a gear shift. Sweet and nice, if you’re that guy, is your only bet. Leave the swaggering machismo to African and Latino guys) I have hope that this will change one day.

    • Haha

      Probably because all the best ones are taken by the time they get into high school

  • Ann

    Whoa, the vitriol on this young lady. I have lived long enough to understand life stages and changing perspectives. She is dreamy being 22. Some of her complaints about China are valid but her idealistic West is not. She has the courage to reveal herself completely, her dreams, her fears and her uncertainty, being 22. Don’t we all go through our youths feeling lost at one point or another?

    Yes, the grass is always greener on the other side. But, pollution and unhygenic conditons in China is head spinning and stomach turning. Who would want to live in such environment? The lack of civility in public in China makes life so much harder than it already is. Why can’t Chinese stop spitting, public deficating and urinating, trashing public places, shoving and pushing, loudness in speech. Chinese men can learn to be more intuned to women’s desires: improve your grooming and wear clean clothes. (Opening doors and pulling out chairs for women is not part of Chinese etiquette for men, don’t try because the men would end up looking awkward.) Find an interesting conversation on movie, books, art, music to share. Show your confidence and have a sense of humor. But, don’t brag about your achievement or your money.

    Given that everyone knows poverty intimately in China up till now, I do not blame Chinese for being materialistic at the moment. But, what is important to remember what really counts in life is not about more, if one were to find happinese, . It is not about bigger house, fancier cars and vacation, more this or that. It is about who we are in the human net work, to love and care for each other, to listen and empathize, to be honest in every encounter. Happiness and contentment is inevitable.

    I am writing as a Chinese American married to a White man for 20 odd years. We find our differences a challenge as well as enriching. It takes a lot of patience and empathy to overcome misunderstandings. We live a modest but rich life in America. Money is utility for basic needs. Happiness is not about how much we have, but how much we discover.

  • http://21knots.blogspot.com 宝茹

    This is the case of wanting something not within our reach. I hope she has Chinese friends (both male and female) who’ll just support her in her dreams.

  • SgtShavedBalls

    IMHO,

    this only shows how very easily chinese are still riled up and trolled.

    all you need to do is diss them a little bit, and everyone throws a hissy fit about it.

    china = world’s greatest lolcow

    • Moji

      Chinese nationalism creates the worlds most inflated collective ego lol

  • Mike

    If only I wasn’t already married to another smart, capable, beautiful Chinese girl, I’d at least give this one a good rogering!

  • Chris

    I recognise this type of girl from my university classes. Somebody above talked about Chinese boys needing to have more of a life during their teenage years – I agre 100% with that. But this girl also needed to have more of a life during her teenage years.

    She is very idealistic, which is a great thing, but she is going to end up sorely disappointed when she fails to meet one of the 5% of guys who actually meets her ideal.

    The Chinese education system has a lot of blame to take for this, for not helping Chinese kids think critically and and a self-aware fashion.

    • Omnpotent

      Most likely would landed in Geylang

  • Eric Wong

    Seems rather quiet here. Someone, whose manner of speaking sounded rather condescending and snobbish, mentioned Italy, but not USA, now that it has been proven that the system which they have been preaching sucks.

    Well, I certainly hope China will not imitate Italy, a great country without an international air carrier. Alitalia is flying like it is made of paper. If you have been to South Italy, you will see how ‘civilised’ the people there are. That writer said that Chinese men need a clue, but forgot to offer his advice to the western or rather Mediteranean men in Napoli where at least one person gets killed everyday. And just look at the tons of rubbish there.

    In fact, Italy should get a place in the Guiness Book for having changed more than 50 prime ministers since the end of World War 2. Ever wondered how many countries care to have any foreign policy with Italy?

    So friends, go on and swim …maybe the Italian farmers won’t ogle at you, if you care to believe. By the way, I know of a great number of Italians visiting prostitutes in Shanghai and elsewhere in China, who would boast of their trysts the next day.

    Having been around from Rome to Firenze, Milano, Ancona, Como, Brindisi, Lecce…I have seen Italians who are just as shy in front of the opposite sex, and that’s speaking from first hand observation. So, let’s not take a cheap swipe at Chinese men.

    Really really sad to see this young girl having such a jaundiced view of the WEST. Even more disgusting is when some western men come to China and think they are better than the local men before looking at themselves in the mirror.

  • Gaoshan

    Eric, China is a wonderful country and the people are great as well but why do you have to denigrate others to make your points?

  • SniperWZ

    Eric Wong, you are on the money!

  • Veer Left

    Yes Gaoshan, he does. Why build yourself up when you can tear others down?Haaaa…

  • green turd

    Well Eric, it seems you have a jaundiced view of Italy.

    Its like saying all germans are bad because of the Nazis, cmon guys grow up.

    This is just a post by a young naive girl who just needs to grow up a bit.

    A few more years and some life experience will put her mind at a good balance.

    We were all the same at that age and its not a bad thing to sort out your thoughts and attitudes, and often writing them and reading comments helps.

    Im a scotsman working as a foreign teacher in the south of china, i love it here, the people the culture, my mates. Life is good.

  • dave

    You stupid F*cks!

    You bitch at her for saying bad things about Chinese men and then you turn around and say bad things about ‘western’ men and society. Grow up!

    Do you at all see the hypocrisy? I think not, you just can’t do it. You don’t want to do it. You hate it when other see it in your actions and words and you hate it when you know they see it.

    Eric Wong says,”Incidentally, being conversant in both languages (and culture), my opinion is that the Chinese language is more beautiful, and it is sad to see that the writer, coming from a good Chinese university, cannot appreciate what a rich culture China has, choosing instead to worship almost everything western.”

    Ohhhhhhh! Wow!!! That is more ridiculous than anything the girl wrote. Like the girl will say “I choose a Chinese man because of the 5000 year glorious, harmonious Chinese history and it’s language.”

    Forget about her and move on.

    Haven’t you heard people say that Italy is the ‘China’ of Europe? :)

  • Gaoshan

    Dave, like I said to Eric… why do you have to denigrate others to make your points?

  • TuquefB

    I’m not sure that helps… but here you go:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CqbZNHaf1o

  • Eric Wong

    hehe. I am enjoying it very much.

    Gaoshan: It is not my intention to denigrate anyone or even a whole race of people, but since Italy was being mentioned

    Quote “I’ve accepted that China is not Italy…” Unquote

    hence, I just want to put things in perpective. The freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to swim without Chinese farmers olging are not necessarily suitable for all of Earth, as preached by that great nation with the Statue of Liberty with one hand raised in the direction facing China, saying hello to it…hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

    Green Turd: I will appreciate it if you can be a little more correct with your punctuation, since you claim to be teaching. Good to hear that you love your life in China.

    TuquefB: Your post, in song, music and dance, is by far the best.

    The rest of you: Not worth my time replying…

    Okie, folks…good luck.

  • Eric Wong

    Dave, you jumped when some facts about western men were pointed out by me. Your use of vulgar language here is absolutely disgusting…so much for the so-called civilised behaviour of western men, who open doors for others.

    Your saying that Italy is the China of Europe suggests that the rest of Europe is superior to China. Maybe you should say that Europe is the countryside of China.

    Mind you, there are lots of Chinese who have been to western countries who can tell the folks here how their backyards look like, eh? Tell me where you come from, and let me tell everyone something about your backyard vis-a-vis China, if you dare. hahahahahaaaaa

    • Ray

      Eric Wong go back to your mom’s basement troll. People are entitled to feel how they wish. My wife is Chinese and her and her family both prefer me to Chinese men, because I am civilized. I don’t chew with my mouth open, I don’t spit, I don’t treat women like objects. Some Chinese men are great but most of you, have no idea how to be a gentleman. FACT.

      • ABC Teenager

        Great blanket statement, Ray. Oh but hey, guess what: “My wife is Caucasian and her and her family both prefer me to Caucasian men, because I am civilized. I don’t chew with my mouth open, I don’t spit, I don’t treat women like objects. Some Caucasian men are great but most of you, have no idea how to be a gentleman. FACT.”

        See, my statement is obviously baseless, and guess whose statement I see is also based on fallacies.

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