Chinese Discuss Pictures of American Poverty

A black man in a white shirt living in a dark house.

The house he lives in has no door, only a very small window, the interior is completely dark.

From Sina:

Revealing Prosperous and Powerful America’s Impoverished Other Side

America, the world’s premier economic, political, and military superpower. Upon mentioning the US, I think that the most people would give it a great deal of reverence. The towering skyscrapers and an economy that is even higher, everything there appears to be perfect, and the living conditions there are what many developing and undeveloped countries dream of.

I remember that in the past I heard this story, a Chinese study-abroad student went to America to study, midway he got a part time job, and the money he earned from washing dishes and wiping tables would allow him to return to China and become a little rich man. One can imagine just how prosperous and superior America’s economy is. Before our eyes, everything we see is America’s glorious and magnificent side, but apparently we never hear about America’s impoverished and suffering side. The feeling is that living in America means living in utopia.

But, everything is not as it appears so perfect and flawless. America is also not perfect in every way. It is an economically strong country, but in terms of wealth, it also cannot provide equal conditions for everyone, and also has many people living impoverished and backwards lives. No matter how strong and powerful the United States is or how prosperous, we cannot ignore these facts and truths hidden behind the prosperity.

In America, I don’t know what the percentage of poverty is, the purpose of writing this article today is also not to expose America’s scandal, the main thing is I want to let everyone know that poverty is not something only developing and undeveloped countries have. Even economically powerful countries like America also have impoverished and backwards people living there. There are impoverished people in every country, and poverty is a problem that every country faces. In America, poverty also continuously troubles and affects America’s economy.

The following pictures come from a website for Spanish-Americans, completely revealing a superpower’s unknown side. Actually, America is equally inhabited by a group of destitute people needing everyone’s protection and attention.

A black mother with her two young children.

The younger child in the picture died not long after because of malnutrition, while the slightly older child in the picture was strangled to death by Helen's husband. Her other daughter is currently in jail. Since then, Helen has been dedicated to her religion.

An old, skinny, black woman sitting on a chair next to a brick wall covered with graffitti.

A dispirited Philadephia woman.

A small black girl looks ino an old refrigerator looking for food in a poor house.

A starving child looking for food.

A small black child looks into an old refrigerator filled with leftover food and trash.

A child opens a refrigerator, hoping to find food.

A man sits on his bed thinking in a shack.

Living in a house full of rotten stench.

A lonely black woman living by herself in a broken-down building.

She is the most lonely, those living around her--the people living at the front of the road leading out of the dense forests of Alabama have completely forgotten her, living by herself in this broken-down building.

A black woman in a messy room.

An emotionless woman living in North Carolina.

Two small black children living in a shack.

Suffering children living in Georgia.

A poor, sick black man sitting on a bed in a messy, dirty room.

Living in a rotten, dirty, messy building.

Comments from Sina:

Relates a real America.

^_^ Every place has poor people.

There’s nowhere without poor people…

How old are these pictures?

Have you been to Americas backcountry? It just resembles China’s impoverished areas…

They are all black people.

After looking at these my heart is very uncomfortable, so sad/pitiful.

Black people, still living at the lowest level of society!

No way.
So pitiful.
Before I saw this I thought America was so good.
Those people are truly tragic.
God,
so tragic.

Some of these pictures don’t exactly fit with the concept of America…does Africa also have a place called America…

When can humanity break free from this kind of situation?

Comments from NetEase:

Really funny, come check out Guangzhou, there are even more.

1960s photos.

When these pictures were taken, lou zhu‘s kid had not yet been born, now who knows where he found these to trick people!

Have you seen that broadcast ten years ago of the Beijing people in New York?
Do you still remember that bit of dialogue?
If you love her, take her to New York, because there it is heaven. If you hate her, take her to New York, because there it is hell!

You should say what is the percentage of poor people in America, and what is the percentage of poor people in China.
Then take pictures of poor people in America and pictures of poor people in China and compare them.
Then do a comparison of the living conditions of the common citizen that make up 60% of the population. This way it would actually be more objective!

I bet these were taken in Africa. America’s black people, no matter how poor, still could not be like this. As long as they have official American citizenship, each month they can get one about 7000RMB in US money, which is completely enough for daily expenses, and what more it is calculated per head. ~This I bet can fool the Chinese people who have never been to America. Chinese people are often fooled, tricked, and do not have much discernment ability.

I think that America and China are basically the same, only the geographical environment and cultural accomplishments are different, everyone wants to be big and strong, but unexpectedly everyone has something in common, which is that poor people exist, and what more, this is a key element that pulls down economic development. But, it cannot be helped. Who wants to be a poor person? It is a result forced out by the country. Now that China has become big and strong, America will also envy/be worried a little, but it cannot be denied that America is still a superpower, despite experiencing many unforeseen events. However, China is not weak either, what with an economic disaster, stock market disaster, natural disaster, man-made disaster, an earthquake, the 2008 Olympics, have you seen how much money China has spent?? Banks tightening money, the stock market falling and falling, business is difficult, a lot of job competition, and what more, increasing prices, low wage levels, tell me: who does not want to be a rich person? Being able to endure it all is pretty good already.

Hahah, ~~I see that America’s problem is very grave, not only is there a gap between rich and poor, there is also severe racial discrimination!!!

Lou zhu, are you mentally handicapped, using this kind of fake news to fool everyone? One look and you know it is not real! And you though you were wise. Such trash…

There are poor people everywhere! It is unavoidable and unquestionable! In terms of proportions, America should be considered to not have a lot [of poverty], it is no big deal! Also, it does not prove there is a problem! If there were also “city management” attacking poor people~~, then there would really be no way out~~ lamentable~

THIS IS NOT AMERICA.

Long-suffering black people. Everywhere they are the most miserable ethnic group. I wish them safety and peace!

If you don’t understand, don’t make irresponsible remarks! A bunch of trashy people! Running to America or some Europe country to be gluttonous and lazy! Not engaging in honest work, not willing to do anything! You all have no clue how high America and Europe’s labour expenditures are! I operate a restaurant in Europe! For one dishwasher, I have to pay more than 1000 Euros a month! And what more, this is the price even after evading and cheating on taxes! Blacks, Arabs, heh, they chose this! Especially Arabs, brothers, it is not that I am racist, go out and get some experience. do not know why America wants to extinguish this kind of trash race [this sentence is unclear]! This shouldn’t be called “Prosperous and Powerful America’s Impoverished Other Side!”

Haha, with regards to the lou zhu, I am speechless. America’s welfare and charity system are “as numerous as the hairs on an ox” [Chinese idiom to mean, "a lot"], with community, church, national, fund, chamber of commerce, as well as individual donor associations for charity. These organizations are “as numerous as the hairs on an ox”, when you’re hungry go to a church or an organization, their doors are wide open. For food and every day life stuff, there is no problem. Except for this essay by the lou zhu and television dramas, have you seen any news about Americans starving to death?

I doubt the authenticity of this article. In Canada, every child 18-years-old and under can get 500 dollars a month from the government. In addition, every low-income family all has enough living subsidies. Also, generally speaking 300 dollars is enough for a family to not worry about food. With America so close to Canada, the government subsidy should be about the same. Unless they all entered the country illegally [illegal immigrants], or drug addicts.

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  1. Reverse persecution complex??? more like reverse evolution with some of you.

    Do u agree with the OP that poor people are starving to death in america? Can u not see that it is purely propaganda as pointed out by the ABC guy? Can u accept the reasons i put forward for this and its prevalence on chinese websites?

    Ur flaming me for telling the truth and not being dumb.
    I havent once said theres no poverty in USA, thats a moronic attempt to make an argument where u have totally failed.

    I should point out im also blah/ pass/ ocumon etc. Stopped using my real name as someone else started using it immediately, so not much point.

  2. The US has many problems, is far from perfect, and as whole needs to do better to keep people out of poverty. That said, the US takes care of its poor far better than China. The US is far more socialist than China. It has free education from Pre-K to year 12 and if you are poor you can get free food and free college education. If you are poor you don’t pay taxes, or pay less. If you are poor you can get free or inexpensive health care. If you are poor you can get inexpensive housing, food stamps, other stuff from numerous charities. It might be difficult, but any person, even the poorest in America, can work hard and be a success.

    • Ironic how the US is more socialist than China!

      Also, ironic how China is supposedly communist and yet the small elite rule the large working class….do these people actually read Marx and understand his theories???

  3. @ blah:

    Reverse persecution complex because you’re getting incredibly butt-hurt over a BBS forum post where an ample amount of Chinese people either doubt it is American or are outright criticizing the OP.

    Reverse persecution complex because there’s not really anything false about the pictures posted or what the OP wrote. Do you just dislike it because it is a Chinese person writing about a negative side of China? Shit, I can’t imagine how incredibly furious a Chinese person must feel when an American person posts anything about China’s various hum@n rights abuses.

    The vein in their collective foreheads must explode.

    As I said before, you clearly have selective reading. What do you think about all the other comments by Chinese posters implicitly and explicitly criticizing the OP, pointing out that China’s poverty is worse and on a larger scale? What do you think about the Chinese posters who refuse to believe that poverty exists in the States and these pictures must be of Africa?

    Geez man, you don’t give the Chinese enough credit. Your alarmist response makes it sound like suddenly America’s image will be irreversibly damaged. Suddenly all these Chinese people are going to think America is some dystopian wasteland. Gasp, the horror.

  4. selective reading? me? how about a total lack of reading skills.

    My comments are about the OP, yes im glad some chinese r smart and cynical enough to see through this xenophobic hateful, bitter post; full of lies. shame u r not.

    So i take it u agree with the OP that poor people r starving to death in America. just say yes as uve implied above and its pretty obvious who the moron is.

    and i quote
    “Reverse persecution complex because there’s not really anything false about the pictures posted or what the OP wrote”

    ————
    “What do you think about the Chinese posters who refuse to believe that poverty exists in the States and these pictures must be of Africa?”

    I think they will follow their insular, nationalistic and naive views and think america is terrible, racist and full of poor , STARVING people. Which is EXACTLY what the OP intended,
    hopefully he saved some chinese maiden from the evil clutches of a honkie (as that was almost definately his chief MO, just like the countlesss thousands of other similar lies and propaganda posts)

    ur not too bright r u?

    please god dont tell me u think im a american………

  5. [quote]
    So i take it u agree with the OP that poor people r starving to death in America. just say yes as uve implied above and its pretty obvious who the moron is.
    [/quote]

    Sure, troll. Keep on having your delusions. Cos who am I to stop ya? Go ahead and waste you day on getting your Masters in trolling, cos you sure the hell passed General Retardation Examination with a perfect score. Faggot.

    [quote="OP"]
    America, the world’s premier economic, political, and military superpower. Upon mentioning the US, I think that the most people would give it a great deal of reverence. The towering skyscrapers and an economy that is even higher, everything there appears to be perfect, and the living conditions there are what many developing and undeveloped countries dream of.
    [/quote]

    The above he states a supposed common misconception among Chinese people that America is paved with gold, that America is a perfect paradise of place.

    [quote="OP"]
    But, everything is not as it appears so perfect and flawless. America is also not perfect in every way. It is an economically strong country, but in terms of wealth, it also cannot provide equal conditions for everyone, and also has many people living impoverished and backwards lives. No matter how strong and powerful the United States is or how prosperous, we cannot ignore these facts and truths hidden behind the prosperity.
    [/quote]

    So here, he is making his claim, that America has a poverty stricken side. I.e. he is going to try to resolve this common misconception by presenting some ‘evidence’ of America poverty. NO WHERE DOES HE MAKES THE CLAIM THAT PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH.

    [quote="OP"]
    In America, I don’t know what the percentage of poverty is, the purpose of writing this article today is also not to expose America’s scandal, the main thing is I want to let everyone know that poverty is not something only developing and undeveloped countries have. Even economically powerful countries like America also have impoverished and backwards people living there. There are impoverished people in every country, and poverty is a problem that every country faces. In America, poverty also continuously troubles and affects America’s economy.
    [/quote]

    Here he CLEARY SAYS that the point is NOT TO EXPOSE “AMERICA’s SCANDLE.”

    Arghh, fack this, I’m tired of this. Figure it out yourself, asshole.

  6. Hey fag, I know your problem man. YOu got PWNED BY SNIPERWZ the other day so now you’re out trolling. But you FAIL MAN. YOu are too stupid to troll properly, faggot.

    I never agreed with SniperWZ’s personal attacks against you, but now I totally am with that guy. You are a facking retard.

  7. @ blah:

    Okay, you’re not an American. It doesn’t matter. You’re still butt-hurt. You’ve built an entire conspiracy theory around the OPs words that is based upon your assumptions than actual fact. The truth is that you have absolutely NO way of knowing what the OP’s intentions are. You’ve merely interpreted based upon some trauma you experienced from some other posts you felt painted America as a nation full of poor starving people. In contrast, the OP actually wrote:

    In America, I don’t know what the percentage of poverty is, the purpose of writing this article today is also not to expose America’s scandal, the main thing is I want to let everyone know that poverty is not something only developing and undeveloped countries have. Even economically powerful countries like America also have impoverished and backwards people living there. There are impoverished people in every country, and poverty is a problem that every country faces.

    You have selective reading because you ignored just about everything the OP acknowledged about America, and out of some deep-seated insecurity, you decided all of it was a cover for his TRUE ANTI-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA OF DOOM.

    It is therefore your job to EXPOSE THOSE VILE CHINESE BASTARDS!

    Dude, the Chinese propagandists have far better pieces for you to overanalyze and tear apart. This isn’t one of them. Instead of showing the Chinese how insecure you are, why not reaffirm their good sense that people know America is not perfect, has poverty, and explain the nature of that poverty maybe by prompting them to consider how it is different from poverty in, say, China?

    Or you can do us a favor and go post on the actual Chinese forums so you can wage your one-man war against the THOSE EVIL CHINESE BASTARDS!

    @ Joywhat:

    Dude, try to avoid sinking to blah’s level and resorting to calling names.

  8. LOL. I never said I was on any “level.” I say what the hell I want to say. Name calling? So what.

  9. I agree with Kai dude, quit acting like a f*cking prick :)

  10. The photos are by a Danish photographer called Jacob Holdt. He took them between 1970 and 1975:

    http://photo.box.sk/news.php3?id=10499

    More of his photos here:

    http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/index.html

    Only 30 or so years out of date.

  11. OK, looking a bit further into the guy’s site, it seems some of the photos were taken as late as the 1990s. Score one for the OP…

  12. “A starving child looking for food”

    True or not?

    U guys are obviously more interested in flaming and ignoring the point so I’ll leave it.

    But please explain why is it “REVERSE discrimination”? i dont get that

  13. @joywhat
    You’ve defeated yourself by repeating the word “fag” in almost every post, multiple times, in multiple forms..you, sir, are clearly the gaf.

  14. @ blah:

    1. Have you never said “I’m starving” to mean “I’m really hungry?”

    2. Does “A starving child looking for food” = “poor people r starving to death in America”?

    3. Do you really think people don’t starve in America? People may survive, but it doesn’t mean they don’t suffer or go without at times.

    4. No one said “reverse discrimination.”

    5. You read the OPs post and started frothing about thousands of Chinese posts like this meant to scare Chinese girls from getting white boyfriends, amongst other distant extrapolations. Doode, how completely off your rocker are you? Did you go through some seriously odd but apparently traumatic experience where a Chinese girl dumped you because she saw a post about poor people in America?

  15. reading skills and logic r hardly ur forte r they?

    “2. Does “A starving child looking for food” = “poor people r starving to death in America”?”

    yes if its (supposedly) a child in America it means exactly like that.

    “4. No one said “reverse discrimination.””

    you said, and i quote-

    “Kai
    Tuesday, November 18, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    @ blah:

    Reverse persecution complex because you’re getting incredibly butt-hurt over a BBS forum post where an ample amount of Chinese people either doubt it is American or are outright criticizing the OP. ”

    so please explain what u mean by “REVERSE persecution”????????

  16. @ Kai

    It may just be translated, but it’s not like any random post is plucked out and translated. Time is taken to pick out what to translate, so time should be taken on to put the op into context at the head article. I read the comments, but know that in reality most people just read headlines, see the pictures, take it as fact, and move on. Things like this lead to ignorant thinking/actions like Florida’s Amendment No. 1 getting the no votes, people believing Barack Obama is a muslim bent on destroying America, and that China is trying to take over the world.

    I’m not offended at all. I would just prefer that America be attacked for its foreign policy and total lack of regard for innocent lives. The way I see this article is like how I saw Americans bringing up Tiananmen Square as an argument against China getting the Olympics when all those protests were going on beforehand. Ignorant and irrelevant to China’s current state.

    If chinasmack is only supposed to be a window into the Chinese BBS forums then it’s my bad. I just believe that extra steps should be taken to inform the people just skimming for juicy dirt about how things really are. That’s not CS’s responsibility though, and there are much more important things to address out there. I’ll concede that I got ahead of myself and take the site for what it is.

  17. America has many more poor White people than Brown or Black people. Why were there no pictures of poor mountain or rural folks? Poverty in America is growing very fast in the new recession. There is little for a safety net.

  18. @Kat
    I believe that the majority of poor white people are, as you mention, rural and live outside of high density communities – trailer parks in small towns etc. Whereas the majority of people of colour living in poverty live in urban areas; ghettos make better imagery than trailer parks, and can sometimes show a much different contrast between poverty ‘in the city’….like driving along Slauson Blvd in LA, tents set up roadside next to and in-between trucking stations full of all sorts of products (subtle contrast of have-nothing vs. industry supply next door, but inaccessible).

    @Johnny Yang
    You phrase “America” and “Americans” – do you see these as the same, or different?
    Saying “Americans” have a total disregard for human life is ludicrous. Your statements are so strong yet, with a seemingly insistent belief that your opinion is both objective and morally right – I’d beg to differ.

  19. does kai want to explain wot REVERSE persecution means? perhaps his trolling pal JOKEtaht wud like to explain?

    in my
    “racist, egotistic supercillious/ fucking troll ass evil, racist, white dood./” mind, it sounds alot like ur a racist twat that presumes persecution is originating from and originally from the white man. thus any perceived persecution from non-whites is “REVERSE”

    does that make it ok to u, needle dick?

    is it possible for non-whites to persecute whites without being “REVERSE”? r u just discriminating against white people? r u both a hypocrite and an idiot?

    flame away, im inherently evil and i dont get butt-hurt

  20. LoL, I love how blah has gone from being butt hurt about the OP’s post to being butt-hurt about others calling him butt-hurt and suffering from a reverse persecution complex. It is even more amusing that he spends all his time trying to put down others reading comprehension skills and logic yet persistently begs for an explanation of “reverse persecution complex” despite it having been provided already. LoL. Maybe he’ll blow a fuse and go ape-shit on us now. Ohhh, scary.

    @ Johnny Yang:

    1. “Chinese Discuss Pictures of American Poverty” is a pretty neutral descriptive title, don’t you think? What would your suggestion be? Titles can only be so long and sometimes, they are written to attract attention. Sucks, but what’re you going to do about it? Lord of the Flies wasn’t really about the lord of any flies. Are you going to threaten William Golding’s credibility?

    2. Now, I understand your gripes with potentially misleading titles, but your initial comment was a bit silly, and this is coming from me, someone who arguably takes himself way too seriously. If you’re going to nitpick about words, you can start with not exaggerating with which “century” these pictures came from. As others have pointed out, America was an economic superpower and “prosperous” country whether today or back in the 90s or 70s (from which these pictures were taken). Poverty existed then as it exists now, and in the context of what the OP wrote, hey, yes, America has poverty and it isn’t perfect. What is your argument against that or would it have been sufficient to be a big man and say “yes, that’s true and unfortunate and we need to do what we can to alleviate such social phenomenon however we can?”

    3. Don’t you think it is a bit silly for you to come out and dictate what OTHER people should attack America for (by extension deciding what they should care about at any particular moment)? You mentioned people using Tiananmen as an argument against China getting the Olympics and how it is irrelevant to China today. I think that’s debatable and frankly, it depends on how they’re invoking Tiananmen in their argument. Without you providing their argument, how can we rule out their relevance? THAT SAID, what argument against America do you think this OP is invoking these images of poverty for?

    4. I read it as him using these pictures to show that while America is undeniably a strong and prosperous country, there are still poor people. To me, that is a factual statement. I don’t even need these pictures to prove it to me. Are you seriously getting hung up on when these pictures were taken? I mean, maybe if these pictures were indeed taken hundreds of years ago, I might say, yeah, they could find better pictures, but come on, these pictures are taken from an economic America that is still largely similar to what it is today. Do you think you might be being a bit too nitpicky? Is this really worth so vehemently rejecting and condemning? Or would it have been remarkably mature and honest to just say “yep, this unfortunately does still happen in America.”

    5. Yes, threatening this website’s credibility was silly and its nice that you’re acknowledging it. Really, not that it should matter but have you taken a look at Ian’s profile in the About page? He’s a white guy from America! Somewhere along the line, Ian thought this was an interesting topic or maybe the comments were interesting to translate. In doing so, he’s shed yet a bit more light on what some Chinese netizens think about this particular issue. Why step out and lambast him? And for what? Images of poverty that are still largely seen in present-moment America? For a misleading title? For a misleading narrative (which is not necessarily misleading, but only that YOU feel so subjectively and blah feels so in context of what he perceives to be some China-wide propaganda conspiracy to smear the USA)?

    6. If you read the About page or just looked around, this website is about translating interesting things off the Chinese language internet. If the original was misleading or it HAPPENS to make SOME people FEEL it is misleading, then it ought to be translated that way. But you’ve missed the entire point of why chinaSMACK also translates netizen reactions and comments. Those are meant to show you more sides of the story, maybe, dare I say it, give you hope that whatever you perceive as misinformation is not bought wholesale by the public. There are better battles to fight, this isn’t one of them.

    @ Rick in China:

    I agree, that was another good example of Johnny Yang being loose with his words yet arguing so strongly against just that.

    @ blah:

    LoL, your last comment was just so amusing in how incredibly lost you are I had to include an extra reference to you directly. Cheers, mate. Best of luck.

  21. @blah,

    I was using your words in order to show your stupidity: Your suppositions about the OP’s attitude of blaming “the evil white dood,” and that of the third-worlders’ supposed machinations for getting the good ol’ white men (it’s a 21st century version of the white men’s burden). I’m sorry if you can’t understand sarcasm. Plus, I have to apologize for my lack of prudence to the needs of your fragile ego. Interacting with a Faulknerian idiot man-child is a skill that I sorely lacks. I need improvements in this area, forgive me.

    But I’m sure you make 3 million RMBs per year and also can crush me with your civility. Therefore, I don’t think you really need any ego massages from me.

    And with that, I bid you good bye. For I have no time to spend to idyllically chit chat with the likes of you. Good bye, Faulknerian idiot man-child; I wish you best of luck on your Quixotic journey to wash away the ignorance of the yellow men.

  22. so no1 cares to address my points? hardly surprising

    all these big-word, “intellectual” name-dropping goes above my head obviously.

    i guess it was sarcasm, like me saying “ur a complete f-ing twat, a hypocrite, liar and pretentious twat whose as thick as pig-shit, a racist scumbag who deserves more crap than armitage shanks ” really means ” U lose, so bad, u cannot follow a coherent argument, uve made a fool of yourself”

    ok i will still try to explain


    “@blah,

    I was using your words in order to show your stupidity: Your suppositions about the OP’s attitude of blaming “the evil white dood,” ”


    ur so retarded u dont even recognise ur OWN quote? that is what YOU said, not the OP.

    please explain why it is REVERSE discrimination?

    thank god im not an american , i’d probably starve to death b4 i get an answer from these prix.
    ——-

    “It is even more amusing that he spends all his time trying to put down others reading comprehension skills and logic yet persistently begs for an explanation of “reverse persecution complex” despite it having been provided already.”

    has it?

    i have to say u r the worst net trolls ive ever encountered.

  23. @ blahhaha:

    Your silly rantings fueled by what appears to be your deep-seated reverse persecution complex (persecution, not discrimination, for the third fucking time, you idiot) ! = “points.”

    When you have a logical and supported point, people will care to respond to them. Since you do not, you’re only getting what you deserve: Contempt and dismissal.

    If you and JoyWhat want to continue hurling insults at each other instead of actually trying to engage in a well-reasoned discussion/debate, go for it. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve told you what you need to hear. That said, I’m outta here. Cheerio, buddy.

  24. i suppose u didnt notice the fact i put REVERSE in capital letters?

    again u fail to respond to any points.

    do ppl starve to death in the USA?

    dude, im not gonna b polite just coz we’re friends (if ur who i think u r?). my points r entirely logical and unanswered

    Firstly, i am correct about the OPs motive operandi. Poor people in America do not starve because they r poor. It is a lie predicated upon the OPs agenda.

    secondly i am correct in that u and thatJOY have made fools of yourself by referring to a white guy whose perceived persecution is , and i quote again for posterities sake
    “REVERSE persecution”

    u r wrong on both matters, u know it. i know it, every reader knows it.

    Please explain why it is “REVERSE persecution”?

    looking 4ward 2 ur reply. i will answer shortly, im busy posting pics of poor starving discriminated chinese minorities (including massive exaggerations and outright lies) on an english website (im a concerned world citizen, that feels for humanity)
    , yet i hope to get back to you shortly.

  25. *sigh*

    Why do I have to spell it out for you?

    First of all, I apologize for my earlier comments. You HAVE A RIGHT to your own opinions. Which you have to admit, since your claims about the motives of the OP is an opinion. For example, your claim that “Poor people in America do not starve because they r poor” is perfectly fine. But when you tie it to “OPs agenda” this becomes an opinion. I believe readers can see the pictures for themselves can draw their own conclusions. Here is what you said: (Unless you are NOT OCUMON)


    u guys mean this was a hateful bitter and jealous post by a xenophobic chinese?

    we all know china is great and america ( where evil, racist white men come from) is the devil

    Now, go back and read my posts again and everything will become crystal clear.

    REVERSE persecution:

    You imagine that you are being persecuted by the third-worlders. Now does that have to automatically imply that YOU ARE persecuting the third-worlders. No. It simply means that you feel that you are being persecuted in reverse, in the sense of directional reverse of persecution, historically speaking.

    e.g:

    “we all know china is great and america ( where evil, racist white men come from) is the devil” and

    dude my point is that this post like thousands of similar posts is intended to show america in a negative light. look at the comments by the chinese posters he got exactly what he wanted, all poor black people, america isnt rich, how racist poor, i was wrong to love america. I WILL NOT CONTINUE HUNTING FOR A WHITE AMERICAN BF. [LOL LOL LOL]

    that is the purpose of this post, along with thousands of others where a chinese guy pretends to be a girl raped and infected with aids by a foreigner . the chinese guy who saw a chinese beggar in london and she told him the story of how she thought uk was great but evil honkie dumped her and child and now shes homeless etc etc etc. there r millions of these posts out there.

    If that’s not major reverse persecution complex I don’t know what it is.

    HAHA.

    Which one is it man? Don’t you get a bunch of Chinese girls jumping on your dick the min. you land in Shanghai?

    Now, with all that b.s. I just wrote. I know I myself have some sort of persecution complex. And guess what, I’m man enough to admit. I admit I have problems. I KNOW I have problems.

  26. You konw what, I’m ROFLMAO. All the evidences you have is a single caption. While I have heaps upon heaps of your insane ramblings (see, I simply presents them and let the readers decide. However, I doubt anyone is reading. Those reading are crazy and in the same league as us, our brigade of buffoons.)

    I’m sorry, I got go. Thanks for this heavy dosage of lulz. Now I can go about my day feeling good. Thanks.

  27. The truth is, in real-life we can probably be buddies Blah. We both have this persecution complex. I’ve known many dudes just like you… Can we all just get along?

  28. yeh, im human but im also right

    ur basically admitting that. the op lied and was blatently placing propaganda. my opinion of his reasons is right , i believe

    U state that u said “REVERSE persecution” because of “historical reasons”.

    so u r basically admitting u r judging me based on my skin colour. u r entirely racist arent u?

    i am judged by what some white men did a long time ago? (im an irish catholic, about half of our population ceased to exist under colonialism, but im (god forbid) white)).

    I myself am far from perfect, but i see no reason why if i perceive persecution, it is automatically presumed that i am the orginator of nasty racist hate. That was the OP.

    i will try not to be nasty, but i think we r somehow getting somewhere with this now.

    Will u apologise or will u and kai continue to state that persecution of the white men is inherently REVERSE (same like i am “evil”, i guess) ?

    i believe theres a saying in english or at least irish “to be a white man”. to do the right thing, to accept when ur wrong, to be a man, to rise above the masses and take it on the chin.

    could u also be that “evil” white man?

    Im glad u also enjoy this discussion

    ————-

    “182″
    “do u have any problem killing women n children?”
    “no, u just dont lead them so much”

  29. i wud also like to point out, yet again, im not american, my income is not 3 million RMB, its zero, and im mesmerized by the same thought patterns from OBCs as their mainland ancestors.

    i commend myself on not having sunk to ur level too much. i shud have just posted a picture of my dick and photoshopped it, lol

    and yeah chinese shicks were all over me like flies on >>>> when i landed in shanghai, but i dont live there nor do i ever hope to go back.

  30. blah, woteva some else will use my name so

    fleash search me, god knows chinese chicks do, lol

  31. LoL, the extent of your idiocy is just beyond all belief.

    China and Chinese people, particularly the fenqing have been roundly characterized as having a persecution-complex (amongst other things), meaning that they often behave in a way to suggest that they think the rest of the world (and particularly “the West”) is out to bad-mouth China and the Chinese.

    I (not JoyWhat) said you have a reverse persecution complex because you behave in a way that suggests that you think the Chinese are out to bad-mouth (in this case) the United States and Americans or the rest of the world.

    That you misinterpreted that despite repeated explanations suggests you have a single-track mind, have poor reading comprehension, or are simply ignorant to the point where you cannot “follow the conversation.” I suspect it is all three, and more. You are human, yes, but you’re not right. More importantly, this single post is insufficient and inconclusive evidence for the OP engaging in a propaganda war against Americans.

    What would be sufficient and conclusive evidence to paint the OP as a bad guy with an ulterior motive? Well, you at least need more supporting evidence that suggests a concerted and consistent effort to use images of poverty as propaganda to argue that this post was a…

    hateful bitter and jealous post by a xenophobic chinese?

    Moreover, you then need to present evidence that the OP believes or was trying to argue that…

    china is great and america ( where evil, racist white men come from) is the devil

    You have not done that. You have made assumptions about the OP’s motive based upon your own prejudices and, as I said, “reverse persecution-complex.” You have not shown anyone that the OP makes concerted and consistent efforts to misrepresent the United States. All you have is taken a single post and extrapolated it into a representation of a larger “problem” you perceive and are upset about. You’re blaming the OP for something beyond him, and maybe even entirely unrelated to him, and the only reason is because you ASSUME there to be a link. Assumptions like that are not “logical” no matter how may times you call your whining “logic.”

    Occam’s Razor would determine it is more likely that you have a “reverse persecution-complex” than the OP being “bitter, jealous, xenophobic,” or believes that “America is the devil” and “where evil, racist white men come from.” Why? Just compare what the OP wrote and what you wrote. If you need to, this is a good time to look up the definition of Occam’s Razor before you start screaming: “HUH HUH HUH?!? OCCAMS DISCRIMINATION?!?? WHAT?!? ROAR!!!”

    Reverse persecution-complex has nothing to do with race. It is a mental state (or disorder). You fit the MO. It must be embarrassing for you to have posted so may times, raving like a lunatic, not once bothering to actually look up its definition. By the way, a freebie: MO = modus operandi. It’s Latin, you might want to look that up too, unless you’ve seen enough crime drama’s to understand it in context.

    Once again, your bitching has not proven anything remotely close to the OP being what you accused him of: bitter, jealous, xenophobic, etc. You have failed and what you have provided does NOT show you are right. It only shows that I was right: your behavior resembles a person burdened by a reverse persecution-complex…

    …and you’re an idiot.

    This would be a good time to either:

    1) Avoid further embarrassment by walking away in shame,
    2) Try to whip out your furious little pecker and try to assert dominance with it, or…
    3) Be a big man and own up to your mistakes.

    I’ve put my bet on #2, but here’s your chance to prove me wrong by picking #1 or #3.

  32. In my country, people live in desolate conditions not because they cannot get help from institutions, but because they choose to do so. May it be out of pride or they have some personal issues. That is an important distinction.

  33. Im sorry for any disgrace i have brought on ‘AMERICANS”

    agaan , im not american but i am white if thats what u mean……..how about u?

    —-

    Moreover, you then need to present evidence that the OP believes or was trying to argue that…’

    HOW ABOUT THE WELL-FED CHILD IN THE PICTURE WHO CLEARLY WAS NOT STARVING?

    and i quote

    “More importantly, this single post is insufficient and inconclusive evidence for the OP engaging in a propaganda war against Americans.”

    big words. . so i presume that me calling u a “slant eyed cocksucker. some gook joke of a man” would also be “inconclusive”?

  34. ‘That you misinterpreted that despite repeated explanations suggests you have a single-track mind, have poor reading comprehension, or are simply ignorant to the point where you cannot “follow the conversation.”’

    ur racist pal “TahwYOJ” explained quite clearly why it is , and i quote “REVERSE” persecution

    the white man is the source of racism, hes the originator.

    beacause i called a very obviouisly slanted post against americans crap, u perceieve that its , and i quote “REVERSE PERSECCUTION”

    U have never had the balls to explain why it is “REVERSE” persecution. ????????//

  35. “Reverse persecution-complex has nothing to do with race. It is a mental state (or disorder). You fit the MO. It must be embarrassing for you to have posted so may times, raving like a lunatic, not once bothering to actually look up its definition. By the way, a freebie: MO = modus operandi. It’s Latin, you might want to look that up too, unless you’ve seen enough crime drama’s to understand it in context.”

    o really? i never learnt latin at my very expensive school. thanks for the lesson but i think i intended that mistake.

    btw u shud say “many” not “may” in english……..

  36. 4) which i choose

    anyhow, i believe ur a hypocrie and a cretin on so many levels. im not a racist. my e-mnail; is
    tommmckay1478@gmail.com . i look 4ward to other ppl using both my name and e-mail, lol

    its strangely representative of my real name

  37. @ all iterations of tommmckay1478@gmail.com:

    When did I say you were a racist? I said you suffer from a reverse persecution-complex as evidenced by your comments here. It seems you have not yet understood what that means nor have you bothered to look it up. Well, I tried. Sometimes the veil of ignorance is just that thick.

    By the way, if you have such a big problem with the OP having captioned one picture with “A starving child looking for food,” then you should probably take your grievance up with his source: http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/usa/index_apathy_1.htm

    …which captions the picture: “Hunger, 1975.” You clearly insist that girl is a “well-fed child” and feel the semantics of the matter are significant enough for your to pop a vein in your forehead. Frankly, I don’t know if the girl is hungry or starving or whatever. Given that the photographer captioned his picture that way, it seems reasonable to me in the context of the set of pictures to think maybe this is a hungry, even starving child who is, well, looking for something to eat in the refrigerator.

    If you’ve been waging your war against misinformation and propaganda fairly, maybe you can link us to evidence of you lambasting and raging against Jacob Holdt, the photographer that started all of this. Until you do, it is apparent you’ve simply blow this out of proportion and again demonstrate how big of an idiot you are.

    Oh, and your string of responses above didn’t really make any sense. I presume it is because they were typed out in an apoplectic rage. My apologies for the typo on “many.” Also, you might want to sue that “expensive school” you attended. You didn’t get what you paid for. I have a business dinner to attend to. Have a good evening, mate.

    • I am black and my entire family is black… and i dont think anyone in my family is considered POOR,,, our combined annual family income is over 1.5 million dollars a year,,,, so these pictures are not a true reflection of what black america is,,, and we are not considered among the richest of black people… GET YOUR FACTS RIGHTS,,,

  38. i was never good at latine, but no care about that anyhow.

    so like u im kinda tired of this, ( i just fell asleep in this net cafe)

    anyhow u STILL have not explained the meaning of “REVERSE” discrimination have u?

    ur racist pal at least had the balls to stand up and be a man.

    try and bear with my terrible english, im a native speaker of the highest class.

    for posterities sake
    1)
    are poor black people starving to death in the USA?

    2) what is the meaning of “REVERSE persecution”?

    let me repeat in case no1 heard. u r straight wrong, u know that , i know that and everybody reading this knows
    that.

    i call u a racist twat for very clear reasons

    Firstly, u dont accept that the OP’s post is a disturbing crap post with the the shittest motives

    secondly you, condoning racial hate against white ppl, and calling it “REVERSE persecution” is pathetic. u will never win an election in a majority white nation ever cuz some1 will dig up this thread.

    and far from being but hurt, i cudnt give a flying fuk

    i just want to expose u as the person u r

    need i mention reading skils? i said i was a racist, not u, until now hah

    as they say in america “u lose”

    u dont know when to quit do u? PLEASE EXPLAIN why it is REVBRSE persecution

  39. Like some of the other topics, this one on poverty have got PEOPLE here losing their temper, and cursing and swearing with all manners of vulgarities. This is far removed from the cliched “marketplace of ideas”. I think it sounds more like a marketplace of oral diarrhea. Is someone who spits vulgarities any more civilised or cultured than another who spits phlegm?

    A lot of people seems to be judging others using theiur own value systems. So anybody who does not conform to their own idea of what is right is therefore deemed to be wrong. But let me tell you something:

    Customer (in a restaurant): How long do you expect me to wait for my half chicken?

    Waiter: Well, Sir, you will have to wait till someone orders the other half. We just can’t kill half a bird.

    How’s that?

  40. me, tommckay1478@gmail.com, 220.163.127.2

    我实在受不了了你怎么那么笨啊?我英语那么差连我都能明白kai在说什么。笨就是笨,你就是笨。

  41. Persecution complex is a psychological thing, blah. Why are you dragging racial things into it, I don’t know.

    All the definitions of REVERSE persecution COMPLEX is of your own. You seem to draw the conclusions that because some Chinese feel that the “west” is out to get them, then when I mention reverse persecution complex that I’m racially hating on you? How? Explain it clearly in steps.

    It’s like this: Some Chinese feel persecuted. So now you feel persecuted by them. Which is a reversal from my perspectives, purely in terms of the feeling of persecution. I’m not saying your delusions of persecution is the truth, or their feelings are true. If you feel that is racist, clearly state your reasonings. But I just said it doesn’t have any meaning of that sort. If you derive some other meanings from it, it is purely of your own making. Or if you based it on anything other than my understanding of *persecution complex,* then again, that is of your own. I cannot enter your delusional world.

    Also, I like to mention something about the ‘historical’ blurb I mentioned. I should have been more clear. I was saying purely in terms how some of these Chinese persecution complexes peeps may be thinking; they derive it from historical reasonings, their persecution delusions that is. You seem to have some other delusions about that, which I can’t really comment on because I’m not insane.

    ANd that is really the problem here. You are INSANE. It’s really hard to see any reasonings from your posts. Maybe if you clearly state your reasonings for each and every one of your claims, then maybe we can continue on with this lulz.

  42. Posted by Fauna

    ‘me, tommckay1478@gmail.com, 220.163.127.2

    我实在受不了了你怎么那么笨啊?我英语那么差连我都能明白kai在说什么。笨就是笨,你就是笨。

    ************************************************************
    Surprised to see the webmaster jumping into the fray…using Chinese to tell PEOPLE that they are stupid.’ Or is it an impersonator? Whatever it is, I am not going to take this lying down and I want to tell you this:

    A husband said to his wife, “Your mother has been living with us for 5 years now. Isn’t it time she got herself her own apartment?”

    “My mother?” said the shocked wife, “I thought she was your mother.”

    How is that again? Funny or not?

  43. wow, too many benoes from the retarded guy who keeps posting under different names…

    @Fauna, hahahah, way to call him out!

  44. ok, its bit bizarre to tell me off in chinese.
    Yes those words in inverted commas that were wrong, they cusd also be construed as “sarcasm”. the outcome “inconclusive”

    its quite a interesting posts by THATjoy, but of course ur r still entirely wrong.

    U said , and i quote that my perceived persecution was because of “historical reasons”. this is not semantics.

    so will people just quit trying to worm their way out of this like a weasly little rat bastard.

    ur meaning, as i am fully aware, is that the white man is the originator of persecution. surely u r bright enuff 2 c the sheer hypocrisy, that YOU in fact have displayed inherent prejudice here. That is exactly what u said about white men.

    I have the outmost respect for thatjoy for being decent , having a backbone and admitting why he said “REVERSE persecution” frankly.

    will KAI also admit it? U’ve said what u said, ur options r these

    1) be a weasly little rat bastard and ignore the point using specious arguments, false presumptions and utterly pathetic attempts at using a foreign language on a (USA registered) website. every1 still knows that u think the white man is inherently the source of all evil, persecution etc.

    2) be a man.
    this will involve u saying

    ” white man has generally benefitted from persecuting other people, that is why i said ur perceived persecution was “REVERSE”.

    it is , of course nothing REVERSE about it, the only racist and persecuting crap is from u. Ur assumption that persecuting white people is “REVERSE” is perverse as it inherently shows u r the person inherently prejudiced and persecuting.

    Im not “history” yet and my ethnicity suffered under colonialism far more than yours likely ever did. we were the 1st colony and the north of our country is still so.

    i suppose if i injected u with the plague/ “black death”, it wud also be “REVERSE”. so it wud b ok right?

    the vulgar and unnacceptable, inherently racist views r not justifiable in terms of “some chinese feel they were persecuted by white men”

    im movie star plus good-looking, white, young and get more azz than ur toilet seat. of course im hardly actually bothered, its a point of fact.

    I have exposed the mindset of THATJOY and KAI as racist simpletons. the remaining question is will KAI stand up and be a man?

  45. oh yeah, and btw im not that american who earns 3 million rmb and badmouths poor sherpa girls. i guess im the OTHER EVIL RACIST WHITE GUY (living in SH). forgive me, im inherently evil, racist white dood. im the originator of persecution because im white. kill me and 9 generations of my familly, its ok, its REVERSE.

  46. LoL, wow, even Fauna said something.

    @ JoyWhat:

    Just ignore him. If my explanations can’t get through to him, neither will your’s. You can tell by how he’s still going on about white men and discrimination that he’s locked into his single-track mind. Let it go. The only person who doesn’t think he’s wrong or stupid is himself. Sooner or later idiotic trolls like him will go away on their own. Or at least we can hope. No point in giving him the power to make you angry. That’s what he’s feeding off of, his ability to get a reaction from you.

  47. “Just ignore him. If my explanations can’t get through to him, neither will your’s.”

    that’s an incredible argument. \

    ———————

    “LoL, wow, even Fauna said something.”

    yes in a startling post i think fauna also said im wrong. i think it was einstein who said mankind’s stuipidity is endless.

    Einstein was right about you. There is nothing surprising about me saying you are wrong if I think you are wrong.

    i was under the strong impression that this website was somewhere where we read a translated chinese post and have the possibility of offering our opinion.

    Yes. You have offered an opinion. I have offered mine. Other people have proven why your opinion is stupid. I agree.

    I offered my opinion and a racist troll that LATER ADMITTED HE WAS BASING HIS PERSECUTION (note i didnt say “reverse”) ON MY SKIN COLOUR DECIDED TO FLAME ME. KAI AGREED WITH THAT AND REPEATED THE RACIST COMMENT. THE SHEER HYPOCRISY AND IRONY IS CLEAR TO SEE.

    No, you are wrong. You were the first person in the comments who say something about race when you said the LZ was using this to stop Chinese girls from being with white men.

    Can we now presume that opinions that dont agree with racist trolls are unwelcome here?
    y exactly would we read this english language site?

    笨就是笨,笨到底。

    furthermore. this website is about translating chinese BBS posts to english isnt it? Y, for the sweet love of christ, y wud any1 then respond to me in chinese??? surely i could just read the original post (OH god, did i just say that, that this evil racist white man cud also understand chinese?)

    Because I am Chinese and I wanted to respond in Chinese. You can respond in Chinese too if you want to.

    it seems very bad. that the owner/ manager/ translator of this site wud have succumbed to such stupidity. betrayed both himself and this site’s raison d’etre ( please forgive my french, do u really want to go there?)

    笑死我了。

    anyhow im not fluent in french, latin or chinese so obviously im wrong about everything………..

    i have a strong opinion on why fauna commented in chinese but it seems we are not all entitled to an opinion.

    a startling post indeed by fauna, as a previous poster said, is it an impersonator?

    No. It is me. If you do not like my website or my opinion, you do not have to come visit my website. You can go start your own website. Maybe you can start a website to say bad things about me or Chinese people or Kai or LZ or Jacob Holdt or up to you. I do not care if you are angry that I will say you are wrong or stupid when I want to. When you go spend money and time and make your own website and I come to your website and say stupid things, you can say I am wrong or stupid also.

    - Fauna

  48. too long, didn’t read…

  49. maybeevilracistwhiteguy

    I have been utterly sarcastic and piss-taking in this thread.

    EVENTUALLY, some reasonable arguments were put forward without the previous BS. I will have the decency to return the favour. wow its taking a lot of time, but here goes.

    I will apologise for wasting mt time before, I will try to explain as concisely as i can. I simply didn’t consider u worth it b4.

    Let me first escuse my words with these excuses, I was initially flamed and characterised as the “EVIL RACIST WHITE MAN”. I will come to that later.

    The reason i didnt take you seriously is because a few of u used pathetic, intellectually weak trolling arguments like

    1 – never admitting ur wrong
    2 – avoiding the point at all costs
    3 – trying to type-cast me as dumb/ insane or not good at languages, as if that would somehow mean my points are wrong. I suppose if einstein posted here he would also be thick and wrong about EVERYTHING because he couldnt speak latin or chinese? Reading comprehension problems? i hope to make that clear too
    4 – type-casting me along with every other EVIL RACIST WHITE MEN because im caucasian.
    5 – fabricating arguments and pretending thats what i said.
    6 – personal attacks that i will prove totally unjustified
    7 – the classic, get the PC crowd on ur side by castigating the other side as a racist/ anti-semite etc. I suppose all palestinians agree that jews are eternal victims?

    That is why i responded negatively. Uve tried to rise above ur station and be a “white man”, i will abide

    “Reverse discrimination”. Lets look at these words. The only possible meaning is that persecution is different against the white man. Ie, The white man is judged on the colour of his skin. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF RACISM. Hillariously this was used in the same post where I was accused of being an “evil white racist”.

    It logically means persecution against the white man is not the same as ordinary persecution. That, of course, is inherently racist. U said it and so did kai. U failed on the 1st post flaming me.

    Of course it also strongly implies condonence of anti-white feelings, but that is just an implication, not INHERENTLY TRUE.

    I dont for 1 minute think any of you r 1 bit racist. its just a point of logic.

    I know why u said it, the vast majority of my country and yours ( i presume) , including whites would say the same.

    Its not really ur fault u slipped up, its the PC madness of our countries discourse. The inherent stupidity and hypocrisy of this phrase is clear. I beleive u agreed in ur rational post.

    I included my nationality to extenuate how dumb it is.

    Then let us address whether my post that was construed as “evil and racist”

    I stand by my opinion that the post was hateful, bitter and racist. That the obvious intention of the OP was to run-down the USA and paint white in a bad light.

    I see 2 possible viewpoints on this

    A – it was a concerned world citizen concerned about poverty that made a few ‘errors’ in his post

    B – It was a racist post deliberately untrue, skewed and distorted post meant to denigrate america and white people

    Why don’t i feel the compunction to post about poor chinese including distortions, exaggerations and lies on english language websites?

    Why r their countless racist, anti-foreign posts on chinese BBS’? Most of them r so blatently fabrications they r see-through.

    Was the poster not most probably mind-fuqwed from a young age by a state controlled propaganda machine using the 70/30 policy to blacken its peoples minds in an anti-foreign manner?

    Are chinese notorious for their weird obsession with americans, a mixture of animosity and aduration? Did most chinese react gleefully to the sight of the twin towers falling?

    Ironically i was criticising the op for racism b4 i was attacked as the “evil racist white man”

    It seems logical I was much more likely right. I did after all end the statement with a question mark. Y do u think that was? it was my strong suspicion and i stand by it.

    What u then did with the troll tactics i guess by now we can all see was pathetic. A few posters have exposed the simplicity of their mentality.
    Im tired of this, i’ll take some of the quotes and give my view. this is the longest most well written post ive ever written i think. life is pretcious, i dont like it.

    “Your own racist little projections. Your own little – reverse-persecution complexes – HAHA assholes.”

    —-
    “Well, you at least need more supporting evidence that suggests a concerted and consistent effort to use images of poverty as propaganda to argue that this post was a…

    hateful bitter and jealous post by a xenophobic chinese?”

    I will be kind and suppose u didnt notice the question mark at the end of the sentence (did i mention reading skills or intellect?). It was my opinion, moreover my suspicions, hence the question mark…….

    —-

    “1. Have you never said “I’m starving” to mean “I’m really hungry?” ”

    A remarkable argument. So I say A but REALLY I mean B? So I really DID mean this was some wise old chinese guy sitting, cross-legged on the top of one of the 5 sacred buddhist mountains, twirling his long whispy beard; concerned about americans poor that made a few “errors” in his post? Not a racist nasty post.

    __________________

    “As I said before, you clearly have selective reading. What do you think about all the other comments by Chinese posters implicitly and explicitly criticizing the OP, pointing out that China’s poverty is worse and on a larger scale? What do you think about the Chinese posters who refuse to believe that poverty exists in the States and these pictures must be of Africa?”

    My comment was about the OP, all the other comments??? sorry wheres the logic? And I HAVE SELECTIVE READING SKILLS?

    ___________________________________

    “So here, he is making his claim, that America has a poverty stricken side. I.e. he is going to try to resolve this common misconception by presenting some ‘evidence’ of America poverty. NO WHERE DOES HE MAKES THE CLAIM THAT PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH.”

    Are they starving to life? a higher consciousness? do poor US people really starve at all beacuse they are poor? (ur best retort here would be statistics on malnutrition among america’s poor. it would prove nothing. Perversely I wud contend that OBESITY IS VASTLY MORE PREVALENT AMONG AMERICAS POOR)

    _____________________________________________________

    “Here he CLEARY SAYS that the point is NOT TO EXPOSE “AMERICA’s SCANDLE.””

    Did it occur to u that this racist scumbag was pretending to present both sides of the argument so that his racist post seemed more credible. propaganda 101. uve heard of the 70/30 rule i presume?

    __________________

    . No one said “reverse discrimination.”

    REALLY?

    I never took it personally and u kai and thatJOY seem like good guys, ur hearts in the right place, a few people have made fools of themselves here.

  50. unwelcomewhiteracistevilguy

    “If you do not like my website or my opinion, you do not have to come visit my website”

    Oh god that was sad wasnt it? I like the website alot, except that i always read this when i should be reading chinese BBS’.

    But u did just say that if people dont agree with your opinion they shud go to another website, didnt u? This website devoted to exchanging opinions……….I suppose evil, racist white man are not included…….

    i said b4 im a bitch to argue with. isnt there a chinese slang phrase sth like “chi bu liao, run dou zou”. please illuminate my lack of language skills and stupidity.

    logic shud take precedence, thats seems to be most of the posters failures.

    anyhow, i look forward to any responses ( preferably including name, email and ethnicity)

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