Japanese & Chinese Students Fight In Shanghai

A large crowd of Chinese students in Shanghai protest Japanese students who beat up two Chinese students in Shanghai.

From Tianya, “Shanghai International Studies University: Japanese students and Chinese students fought violently” (no longer accessible):

At present, the police, including the special police present, have already dispatched 10 police vehicles to maintain order, and the gathered crowd has just dispersed.

On October 20, 2008, about 10 P.M., over ten Japanese students were getting drunk and causing a disturbance in the school square. Their noise could be heard from every corner of the campus, which made the boys living on the 9th floor of the boy’s dormitory extremely upset. To protest against the Japanese, the 9th floor students sprinkled some water on the Japanese, resulting in the ten Japanese directly charging into the dorm to beat the two boys so severely that they had to be sent to the hospital.

After the beating, the 10 Japanese immediately fled the dorm room, and the students who heard the news immediately rushed downstairs to confront the Japanese students. At the time, the situation was chaotic. The police immediately dispatched special police to escort and evacuate over 10 Japanese from the school. Not only was the square swarming with patriotic students, I estimate there were approximately several hundred people. Over 10 police vehicles came one by one to maintain order, with everyone standing around watching each other for about 20 minutes.

Under the direction of several students, the students sang the national anthem, marching to the international guest house [the dormitory for international/foreign/study abroad students] to continue their protest against Japanese people. However, the police blocked off the entrance to the international guest house. At this time, we could see Koreans also hanging up their Korean flag. As the student protests increased, there were some foreigners upstairs in the international guest house (it was too dark to see clearly) throwing glass bottles down, causing the situation to escalate…only after the person in charge of the school immediately put forward that the first three students who knew what happened come forth and communicate with the Japanese did the university students calm down and behave themselves.

Over 2 hours later, the matter finally quiet down…at the time there were people using cameras and video cameras to film, which will probably be uploaded onto the internet soon.

Note: The above translated post was reformatted from the original into separate paragraphs. When this incident happened, many BBS forums quickly deleted every post. Originally, I had decided not to do it because it was impossible to get any information and comments before it was deleted. However, the above original post and following comments from different BBS were available for awhile the next day for me to gather the information. Other netizens and students give more details in the comments. – Fauna.

Chinese students talk outside about Japanese students who attacked two Chinese schoolboys.

Comments from Tianya (no longer accessible):

Fuck, throwing a fit on China’s own territory, they must be tired of living…

From the school BBS:

First of all, it happened in Shanghai. Every one knows that Shanghai people can argue until their nose touch but they will not physically fight. Second, in our kind of our humanities school, there are naturally only about two and a half boys, so for them to be surround and fight a Japanese person was not easy as it is!! As such, this situation really let me see things in a new light!!~

What had happened is this: Yesterday, October 20, 2008, I heard a group of Japanese and Koreans being really loud in the sunken school square as I was returning at 10 p.m. However, I did not think much about it, because I am already used to it. I do not know what they are always so happy about but every week there are a few days where this group of little Japanese [小日本 is a little derogatory] are messing around, singing and dancing.

It was getting very late and it was still very noisy even after midnight. It turns out they were brazenly barbecuing on the square downstairs!! The boys on the 9th floor were now unhappy, so they asked them to not be so loud, that people upstairs were resting. But they would not listen and continued making a lot of noise downstairs! One of the chivalrous boys on the 9th floor could not take it anymore, and on behalf of the Chinese people, he threw he threw an angry beer bottle down. The Japanese devils flew off the handle [became pissed], daring to go up our dorms to the 9th floor and beating up our compatriot, and then going back down to continue eating and drinking~!

This definitely pissed off us schoolmates and a group of us furiously went down and surrounded that group of Japanese people…and in the end…

We are peace-loving Chinese people, who definitely do not support violence. However, the arrogance of this group of Japanese was plain to see. I am not saying that all Japanese, but most of them have poor characters, everyday riding their Harley-Davidson motorcycles showing off their engines, hurting my ears every time they pass by, drinking and causing trouble, skipping classes (I have seen their attendance forms. There are 20 students in the class, all the Japanese are absent almost every class, the type who only go to 2 or 3 classes the whole semester), each and every one of the boys wearing eyeliner, they are just not very likable.

The Sichuan earthquake had given me some good feelings with regards to the Japanese, but this incident made once again despise young Japanese scum to the highest degree. I had already read reports about our fellow Chinese students being insulted while studying in Japan, This group of Japanese deserved to suffer in China, so this incident will also let them babies have a taste what it is like to be bullied outside of their country, and besides it was them who were wrong! They absolutely deserved to be beaten!!

I will also politely advise those Japanese kids who went upstairs to attack others: You should have thought carefully about where the fuck you guys were before going upstairs. If you are coming here to study, then be honest students, do not cause trouble, and Japanese people especially should not cause trouble in China.

I had looked upon these international students with welcoming/friendly eyes. I thought no matter if they are Japanese or Korean, them coming to China must be because they love China, because they love Shanghai. It was only until last year that I realized they came to China just for the price difference [because it is cheaper to live in China]!! No matter how expensive Shanghai is, it is not as expensive as their own country. This group of useless children [who waste their family's fortune] go to the bars drinking every day, and our school even has someone who drives a Benz sports car! They have gotten to a point where I can no longer look at them.

Also, the character of those Shanghai International Studies University international students? What character? Running red lights, accosting girls, speeding try to accost girls. When I was at Häagen-Dazs, there was even someone who would try to leave without paying. Last year, there was even someone who was kicked out of school for threatening people!

In contrast, some international students from poor countries have very good character. Their family financial situations are not very good, and the living standards in their countries are bad, so they usually all come on Chinese government scholarships. These students from Nepal, Nigeria and Venezuela are all much better than those from developed countries. One could learn nothing talking with those from developed countries. They can only teach you how to say “FUCK” in different languages! So uninteresting~

I am going to stop complaining here. All in all, I applaud those the two and half boys! Even though the Japanese were being loud, it was not right for us to throw the beer bottles~ But if they beat our schoolmates, you guys surrounding them and beating them up was good! We cannot let us Chinese people be bullied by foreigners in our own country!! Next time something like this happens, call me. MLGBD~ Beat to death those damn little Japanese!!!

PS. I also heard this story from others [hearsay], so some details may not be true, but me hearing them being noisy is true, that the Japanese behave poorly on campus is true, and that two of our schoolmates were beaten is true! ~Damn little Japanese, this business is not finished~

Shanghai police block off a road after Chinese students protest against Japanese students.

Dog fucked, should they not at least be detained for attacking people?! It is not as if they are embassy members, there have no diplomatic immunity.

Fuck, this bitch school dares to protect the Japanese~~~

Why did the special police [SWAT?] escort the little Japanese who attacked other people out? What kind of logic is this??
Why were the Korean and other international students who participated in causing trouble not held responsible?
Why not give the Chinese students an explanation? Dammit, we can forget about us being bullied outside of our country, but we have to put up with being bullied in our own country too???
There must be a reasonable explanation…
Why!?!?! In our country, at our school, there can actually be such arrogant foreigners???
Dammit, what logic is this?? Are our students so hopeless, or is it a problem with our leadership??

Students~~~Fighting people requires tactics~~~
With hundreds of you surrounding them, of course they have to dispatch the police…
Wait for this to pass, and everyone stay still. Just ten of you is enough to beat those few Japanese. As long as they are in school, there will be opportunities to teach them a lesson. Avoid this getting out of control.

Kill all Japanese pigs! [x12]

Bring attention to what the attackers look like so the entire school can recognize them as being wanted. Anytime those bastards dare show their face, they will be beaten and…

So angry!! So speechless!!
Ten Japanese dare charge into the boys dorm to beat people? What the hell were the other Chinese students present doing? Is this still a boy’s dorm, with everyone else only knowing how to stand by watching Japanese people beat Chinese people…?
Forget about the police, I don’t know what to say about Chinese police protecting foreigners like this.

After 100-200 years, after so many revolutions, after sacrificing millions of people, Chinese people are still second-class citizens on their own land.

If those who were beaten were Han students [Han is the Chinese ethnic majority], this matter would be left unresolved.

I wrote this here to be an proof of what I had predicted.

You motherfucker, would it kill you to not push for national secession at this time?

Why is China’s police so mean to the Chinese, but act like grandsons when encountering foreigners?

You really don’t understand
It is only because they are in China that they throw a fit.
Put them in the United States or Russia,
the Japanese would be as well-behaved as grandsons.

Police comrades, normally I never see you as active as you were last night…I say, could you have simply arrived just a little later?
Those two Chinese students are pretty useless/cowardly. This matter has 80-90% chance of being unresolved…

A large group of Chinese students sing the national anthem outside the international student dorms in Shanghai.

Seeing that so many schoolmates all posted…I will also write about what I saw and heard…

Last night around 9-10pm, the three of us were in our room watching “Flood.” After watching half of it, the electricity stopped, but was restored quickly. However, I no longer wanted to watch, so I copied the “KONAN #12″ from my PSP to my computer and unexpectedly it required half an hour. Bored, I walked out onto the balcony to take a look.

I saw a group of little Japanese downstairs making noise, even singing “happy birthday” but their English was lousy…

Our room has a flashlight…very powerful…can shine very far…and just as I was about to shine them, someone downstairs on the 4th or 5th floor threw a water bottle at them.

The Japanese people started screaming, “if you have the guts, come down.” A brother on the 9th floor started to fight back. The funniest thing was that the Japanese screamed a four word Japanese phrase, we did not understand, and the 9th floor responded with “fuck your mother’s cunt,” which was also four words.

Then the Japanese people started cursing, “fucking China.”

The brothers upstairs responded, “don’t worry, China still has Taiwan, this is the mainland.” Everyone on the balconies were jiong…

Then the arguing became more and more intense. Four Japanese guys charged up, supposedly brought up by a traitor who entered school in 07 studying German, wearing red clothes, yellow hair, wears glasses. Whether this information is accurate needs to be confirmed. We all figured that even just one floor of us could easily crush them so we did not think much about it.

Then the 10 something Japanese downstairs charged towards the dorms. At this time, I heard the loud noise of a door being kicked and hit. We realized we need to go up to help our own compatriots.

Very quickly the 9th floor was filled with people.

First were 7-8 little Japanese charged up to the 9th floor, indiscriminately attacking any Chinese they say. They did not even ask if they were the person who was just arguing with them. Downstairs came up two brave Chinese guys, bringing with them two metal tubes. 2 against 8. The security guard came to stop the fight and the little Japanese even started attacking the security guard along with the other Chinese students. The security guard’s clothes were torn.

When the little Japanese saw that more and more of us were coming, they hid into the elevator. Security guard uncle said, “There is nothing we can do in the school. I cannot let you guys fight. If we were out in society fighting, I would definitely help you guys.” After seeing the elevator head down, all of us ran down the stairs to the first floor.

But now there were too many people, and we could not distinguish who was Japanese. At this point, a little Japanese shouted, “Chinese dogs, if you have the guts, come.” I did not see clearly who shouted it, I only knew from which direction it came from. Soon we found the group of Japanese people.

We all surrounded them. At this time, 120 and 110 [emergency medical and police numbers] have all already arrived. 120 took our two injured Chinese schoolmates back to the hospital. 110 protected the Japanese people, keeping us outside.

Just like this, 4-5 police cars came and escorted the little Japanese away. One Japanese who had drank too much was also sent to the hospital.

Throughout all of this we were screaming fuck Japan, fuck your mothers, etc…the entire school was very magnificent…I estimate over 80% of the guys had come downstairs…

Seeing as how they did not even give a single apology, and were so arrogant, students who could not accept the situation shouted, “Rush the international guest house!”

So the big team [crowd] again changed to rushing the international guest house.

People started yelling, fuck Japan, little Japanese, fuck your mother, etc. One by one the lights in the international guest house flickered on.

There were foreigners upstairs taking pictures (this was indeed embarrassing), and people from other countries were sticking their country’s flags on their windows, afraid we would charge up there and accidentally cause them harm.

Then a water bottle flew down.

The crowd moved back to the square behind the fountain.

Then a glass cup flew down and shattered right on my foot. Fortunately, there was no injury. Had it hit my head, I would have gone and caused problems. And then the conflict would only get worse.

School officials and police try to calm down an angry mob of Chinese students.

Well done, Shanghai students!!
ZF, stop paying so much respect to foreign beasts, this is not the late Qing Dynasty! This is the new China’s territory!! You must do something!!!

Fuck! Embarrassing! If those Japanese dared to do that in our school, they would have long ago been sent to the hospital!

From the school BBS:

Fellow students, hello! I am Hou Wang from the Department of German, and my dorm room is A911. I witnessed the entire incident that moved so many people’s hearts. What fellow student, “Mantou”, had posted above already covers most of it. I just want to add some details:

1. When the little Japanese rushed into our dorm rooms, they actually brought weapons with them, which were cooking pot lids. I thought a bunch of Japanese chefs had rushed up. Because our room A911 is right across from the elevator, that group of Japanese dogs starting hitting our door first. Actually they had hit every door on the left side of 9th floor. They were shouting, “FUCK CHINA” while banging on the doors. Because I was busy playing WOW, I didn’t open the door right away. By the time I had opened the door, the Japanese dogs had already started biting [attacking] people. By the time us brothers were about to beat them up, we were held back by the security guards. Actually, quite a few of us brothers still got in quite a few kicks. Ding! They ran away like wild dogs. (But there was one crazy dog that still did not learn his lesson. Us brothers were not happy, so we chased him down the stairs to the first floor.)

2. When we were in the front of the international guest house, there were actually already many journalists who had arrived. Their are very nimble! But that group of security guards would not open the door. At this moment, a man with a strong northeastern accent rushed over and said to the security guard, “You motherfuckers, open the door!” The security guard wanted to be “niu bi” and loudly replied, “Don’t even think about causing trouble!” The northeastern man was not happy, and pointed at the security guard’s nose yelling “Fuck your mother, are you a Chinese person or not?” The security guard immediately withered. With nothing to say, he could only allow himself to be painfully told off by the northeastern man. The security guard could only tuck tail and run away.

3. When we were singing the national anthem, many Chinese compatriots loudly signed that it was the first time seeing so many clothes-wearing Japanese dogs. I agreed with them. The Japanese dogs have strange values of sex. If it is not abusive, then it is a group of people. I heard they broke the 500 people having sex in one place Guinness world record. You tell me what difference this is with dogs.

4. Regarding the traitor problem. As a student of the Department of German, I feel disgraced, very disgraced. How can there be this kind of schoolmate, living with dogs?

Finally I want to declare that everything written above is the truth, nothing fabricated. There may be some discrepancies with some details, but the main part about the incident is correct.

Police try to maintain order as a large crowd of Chinese students protest Japanese students in Shanghai.

A bunch of stupid kids. The next time something like this happens, directly go beat them up. Once the police come, nothing can be done.
Do not gather around and stupidly sing the national anthem. Has this country ever loved you? All of the violent machines in this country are only used against you.

This is so Shanghai. If this was in the Northeast, however many little Japanese dared to enter the guy’s dorms vertically would have to come out horizontally!

Are there actually people who are saying good things about that Shanghai group of students??? I think they are just a bunch of trash…they have no brains nor guts. If they had the guts, those few police and security guards would not have been able to hold them back when the fight started. They were holding you back because doing so is what feeds them, it is merely a formality, so if there is a problem in their department later it is easier for them to say they tried, but several men held them back. If several guys rushed hard, I am sure they would not really make it difficult for you…

If you do no have guts but have brains, that is okay too. If you are afraid of being in public, just get 50-60 guys, do not be nervous, and pretend as if there is nothing to trick the little Japanese to come out, go to a remote place, beat them up, and then leave. Do not make a big fuss, the bigger it is, the harder it is to do something, and then you guy will not have a fight. In the end, this way is also easier for the school to deal with, they can pretend it was just an ordinary fight between students.

Now they can only get 200-300 people to go surround the international guest house, and sing the national anthem, and dragging in the country’s glory? Now the matter has risen to the political level, and now the government needs to deal with it, and in the end there will be no outcome. In the public opinion, the little Japanese became the weak and innocent party. Aside from yelling “fuck” to make ourselves feel better, we will not even be able to touch the little Japanese’s fingers [will not get a chance to beat them up]…and we are still being ostentatious? And still think it is a good idea to sing the national anthem?? No ability, embarrassed yourselves, and you still want to make a fool of yourselves…and you blame the JC for not letting you guys enter the international guest house? The JC’s attitude is the same as the government’s attitude. If their brains are functioning normally, of course they wouldn’t let you guys pass.

With this becoming so big…I bet if those little Japanese’s brains are still working, they will definitely and immediately let the embassy handle this, and then return to their country. You think they would come back to school to wait for your guys’ revenge?? Take a shower and go to bed.

I am outraged!! People who deserve the most blame are those few Japanese people, but rather those Chinese students who just stood around enthusiastically watching but didn’t have the courage to do anything! Really fucking embarrassing!!! Not helping their own compatriots who were being beaten by the Japanese, but still pretending to care by singing the national anthem!!! Really pisses me off!!! If this was outside the country and there were no Chinese to help out, then fine, but this was in a campus in China!!! And it was a boy’s dormitory!!! All of the men in that building are fucking not men, only having the ability to shout/argue, really sickens me to death!!! I don’t blame those students who got beat for not being able to fight back, after all they were just students, but that was one entire building of Chinese people!!!

The “FF” [a pun on "angry youth" that means "angry shit"] above, stop “pretending you could have done this better.” When it really happens, you guys would not be much better. Heh heh, as God as my witness, I have seen this kind of thing twice. Han fighting Uighur, Chinese students fought Japanese students, and if you dare make it a big incident, beating those people [Uighurs and Japanese], you will immediately experience the kungfu of our country’s riot police’s. They can beat you so hard that your mom will not recognize you. Those FF who don’t believe me can go try, who does not know how to pretend to be cooll on the internet?

Fuck. What were you guys thinking? Go and beat them first, then talk. In fact, everyone go up!!! I can’t believe you let them run away. An apology [from them] is fucking useless.

Police standing guard outside the university foreign student dormitories.

Comments on PCPop:

Beat the Japanese dogs to death, then kill the Koreans. There is no excuse for them to be throwing fits on Chinese people’s land.

USA says: Fuck, I will beat whoever I want
Russia says: Fuck, I will beat whoever criticizes me
China says: Hello everyone, whoever hits me, I will condemn and protest.

They actually allowed the little Japanese to attack people and then escape? If this thing happened in my school, the little Japanese would all have to be carried out! This school’s [Shanghai International Studies University] students are too worthless!

This group of dog-fucked [Japanese], better not let me see them. I am an expect of San Da [Chinese boxing].

Shanghai police block entrance to the international student dorms.

Comments from Tom:

Useless…a disgrace, such a disgrace…

Rational my ass, rational! They are already bullying us on our doorsteps and you still want to talk about what is wrong with China today? Only know how to protest? What use is protesting?

Throwing stuff from upstairs, they deserved getting beat up.

Seeing so many people saying Shanghai students are bad, that they could not beat Japanese people, is truly lamentable. Honestly, I am glad the majority of college students were rational, otherwise, yesterday’s Japanese international students would have already gone to another world. or the Japanese might already died. You guys want people to die, want to take out the Japanese, but at what cost for our country? There are actually people who are saying that student’s rationality is an embarrassment, truly no longer distinguishing right from wrong.

I am a student from Shanghai International Studies University. Even though others don’t think much of us, as a student in this school, I am clear about what happened. But those Japanese international students, they simply are not here to study. The international students in Shanghai University of Finance and Economics across from us came to China to study. What happened this time can only be said to have intensified long-standing conflicts. Plus, they were too arrogant. We are how old, but they are almost 30, and the police still protected them.

Police and security prevent the angry protestors from entering the foreign student dorms.

Comments from Mop (no longer accessible):

After seeing the pictures, I had yet another type of thought: There are still a lot of people who just like watching the excitement.

Japanese beating Chinese, Chinese singing the national anthem…fuck…what difference is this from being the “sick man of the east?”

Strongly request that these dog-fucked Japanese people be expelled out of China.

Something like this happens and there are still people here scolding their own compatriots?
Does it feel good letting foreigners see this kind of joke!
If you guys are so “niu bi,” go attack the Japanese embassy!
Those who do not support their own compatriots should avoid making sarcastic remarks.
Always discriminating based upon locality…
…have your brains been flooded with water?
Would China being broken into pieces make you all happy!!!

Shanghaiese are fucking well known for having the softest bones in the whole world.
If this had happened in Shenzhen, in the northeast, anywhere but Shanghai…
…could the little Japanese been able to go up to the 9th floor and severely hurt two people before the running away? Fucking Shanghai trash.
Even if you’re a ‘wai di ren,” just staying there too long will infect you…
Today’s Shanghai is the same as it was back when it was colonized…this is my feeling in Shanghai…
But fortunately next month I can finally leave this fucking place…You NB Shanghainese can go lick foreigner assholes.

Those who were not present can stop damn farting here…I go to that school in Hongkou, and participated in the demonstration, and the police vehicles were blocking the door of the international guest house! If you want to rush the hotel, you have to get pass the police first! Moreover, my room was on the fourth floor. When things broke out on the 9th floor, there were no sounds down there. You think we would not want to help? There are some people who unjustly say if this happened where they are, they would do this or that, would you just go ahead and kill Japanese people and not take legal responsibility? It is easy to say, but when you actually encounter it, would you really go up and take out the little Japanese? I can tell you right now that they are still in the international guest house and those of you with big mouths, if you really have the ability, then you can go ahead and get the little Japanese’ heads!

A police officer tries to maintain order.

The current Chinese government treats Chinese people like dogs, and treat foreigners like gods. Whenever something happens, the police will definitely first protect the foreigners. Actually, if they were ruthless/hateful and let 1-2 “niubi” foreigners die, then they would no longer dare to bully/take advantage of Chinese people.

Japanese people bow before the Yasukuni Toilet [pun, "shrine" sounds similar to "toilet" in Chinese] every day, and our shitty government only knows how to “sternly but fairly” protest. One word: Inept!

What a good opportunity (to beat Japanese) you had missed. When the Japanese were going up to the 9th floor, what were all the Chinese students doing? Just do those Japanese in, first vent hatred. Then Japan will protest. Negotiate, cut off relations, war breaks out, Japan is destroyed. Everyone who participated will become national heroes.

You guys could not defeat 10 little Japanese. Fuck, did you all grow up eating shit? You could not call more brothers to come help you? Fuck, what have you guys been doing in school? ~You bunch of cowards. Next time you see these Japanese again, just beat them to death. Dammit, just do it to avenge our past compatriots!~

Can those netizens in this post attacking the Shanghainese please remember, a post that was originally attacking Japanese devils, has become a post attacking Shanghainese people because of you guys. Are you guys trying to help the Japanese change the subject? Is attacking Shanghainese more important than attacking Japanese devils? Must Chinese people always fight themselves? Are Chinese people really this ugly? Will Chinese people never unite?

Damn, if this had happened in the Northeast, even our kindergarten kids could drown them to death in piss!! Those deserve-to-be-fucked-by-dogs Japanese bastards…

For something like this to happen in Shanghai means Shanghai people have made Chinese people lose face. Just scolding you is letting you off easy, you useless things. Do you understand that you Shanghainese are not worthy of making China lose face? Not afraid of the whole country scolding the Shanghainese for being cowards, anyone with any worth just go take out [kill] those Japanese who attacked others. Otherwise, any “Shanghai idiots” thinking about raising their heads can just keep on dreaming!

The foreign student dorms light up as foreign students inside wonder why there are many angry Chinese students outside.

Some international students hang up flags to show they are not Japanese. Others throw bottles at the Chinese students downstairs.

  • fcuk da lu ren

    Fudge me, do we all have to bow down and cry with apologetic fervor to the Chinese people.

    Rick and Dave: Right on, F the Da Lu Ren, what they can go on rampages in Korea, NZ, and Milan and nothing really happens??? You throw a bottle at me and you get your ass whooped that is all there is to it.

    Chinese are blind little nationalites who can’t handle the fact that they got their ass whooped deservingly.

    @ Sniper: You really think you have the innovation and Han “Wu Di” esque qualifications for world domination. The U.S would bomb you back into the stone age, er similar to what most provinces in China are like in about two seconds. Not to mention the Japanese would route you with ferocity in a matter of months this time around.

    I have seen the “strongest Chinese” fighters get their asses whooped by amateur Americans in international competition. Their isn’t even one prominent Chinese in K-1, UFC, or Boxing. Please tell me how you our your descendants (who aren’t that far removed from Han Wudi in terms of intellect) intend to do this?

    FCUK DA LU REN. Those Japs kicked your ASSES, and guess what, you DESERVED IT.

  • KenfromShanghai

    Ok… so college students get drunk and cause a fight… big deal. This isnt an issue of Chinese versus Japanese, this is just drunk college students being drunk college students!

    Would this be in the news if this was an American school? Probably not. Would this matter much if they are both Chinese? Nope, it’s not the violence that people are outraged about, its the fact that 1 side of the conflict is made up of an ethnic minority that China really hates!

    I’m not saying they have no reason to hate them, that is debatable, but race really isnt the issue here.

  • equaloaowizer

    There’s obviously some really super people in China but, some observations.

    1. They are hyper practical to the point they will pull anyone including each other, down when given the chance to go about it without come back. “crabs in a bucket”.

    2. Chinese students are quite often in the news in other countries. Do a google news search, the stuff that hasn’t been blocked is frightening. The two students being tortured then murdered by their countrymen in Newcastle, was horrific!

    3. The longer you stay in China, the less you will understand. Notice how the newbies get all defensive about the place, then stfu after 2 years, if they survive that long.

    4. The moment anyone says “its a bit smoggy outside, no cricket today”, forums fill up with people complaining about Iraq. Hey, i’m not George Bush, email the white house if you wanna say something.

    5. America and the allies defeated Japan while supplying China with weapons, aircraft and food. A “thank you big noses” day is long overdue.

  • fcuk da lu ren

    @Equallaowaizer

    Thank you, for pointing it out. the mental illness in this country is beyond belief. All this complaining about racism and “looking down on China” is so ridiculous.

    This country STILL HAS SLAVES and Internment CAMPS!!!!! Give me a break. They have a massive spy network all over the world through threatening their own people. Just reading China Daily about makes my head explode.

    I can’t wait till the economic waves ripple through this bitch and factories shut down their Melenine producing, coal burning, child laboring asses

  • fcuk da lu ren

    And BTW,

    Why do we have to “love China” to live there? Is that regulation I forgot to read? I complain about the US all the time, but that doesn’t mean I want to pack it up and go home.

    I bet if you polled a bunch of Chinese in the US they would say there are things that they don’t like as well. Anyway, just ranting along

  • Veer Left

    KEN, it WAS just about a few students having a row over some trivial issues. THEN as usual, (with a billion supporters behind them) the Chinese made it about ‘being a Chinese’. It wasn’t about anger at the offending few Japs, it was about everyone Japanese, and many who aren’t.
    Any voice of reason can be shouted down by the mob because anything less than lemming behaviour wouldn’t be Chinese of them and they might become the focal point of the ‘mob’.
    I’ve been the focal point of Chinese mobs ( not a joke) and while unpleasant, it’s not the end of the world.
    What troubles me most are the comments on the internet towards the Japanese.
    Are Chinese egos really that fragile? Is Chinese education really that pathetic that these kids can’t separate a simple fracas from a nationalist rampage? WTF is up Chinos?

    • Fike2308

      Veer Left wrote, “Are Chinese egos really that fragile?”

      My response is YES.

  • krdr

    First, this is a century old issue:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q9kYKtvYU0 , but not all of Chinese are Bruce Lee

    Second, I second KenfromShanghai. I would even say that police did a good job. Problem with whole story is that in each new post (in forums), story gets more and more details, and hate against Japanese students getting bigger. “From fly to an elephant”.

    I found that some of Shanghai people are very special sensitive, due colonial time. They act like modern and open people, but when it comes to Japanese. And Japanese government doesn’t make things better.

    Chinese people (some of them) doesn’t want to make “peace on mind” with Japanese people, and that scares me. Every drunk incident will be raised to political one. China can loose good face.

    A sad, sad incident.

  • equaloaowizer

    And another ting, where the hell is the mental healthcare system? even i can be a free roaming nutcase and go about my daily slobbering without fear of ever being diagnosed, detected or treated. Panic not, “its a very safe place”, yes as long as the news doesn’t report any of the stuff the neighbours talk about.

  • Rick in China

    @klimmer
    I find that Chinese who have actually lived in Japan often share your view, and I respect that a lot – it shows opening eyes, rather than closed mind.

    @fcuk
    Extremism dilutes your point and surely shuts a lot of people off, but I don’t think making a point or being heard is ultimately why you enjoy posting here, eh :D

    @topic fraction “racism”…off on a major tangent.
    Although it may (hopefully) change in the future, hopefully near future, there is significant black/white (not racial) racism and separatism here in China on all levels, as I will try to relate from looking at how Chinese act in bar/social situations..specifically males and based on their friendliness/openness towards others in these social situations.

    First, if a group is only Chinese, there is favortism to the majority and separatism with minorities. If a group is minority/chinese with some whites, the group becomes more of a Chinese White. If a group is minority/chinese/whites with some blacks, the group often becomes minority/chinese/white Black (at least, the Chinese men become more friendly with the white people, at a what seems to be attempt to gain acceptance of their racism towards black people). This isn’t an absolute observation by ANY means, but I do find that Chinese guys are very protectionist towards their females when white guys are in the vicinity, but if Black guys are in the vicinity they suddenly become very accepting and promoting of relations with white guys and defensive towards black guys. I go out a lot here, and this isn’t just nonsense, I think many people who go out a lot in popular places can see this kind of narrow minded protectionism and grouping.

    Again, a massive generality, but a ‘feeling’ that is clear and present: there is a very quick “turn” against whole groups of people based on news they hear in the world or events they are told about, or popular internet rumors. French PM doesn’t want to go to Olympics ceremony? Hate all things french! Korea hates japan? Love korea! Someone korean insensitive about earthquake? Hate korea! Love, hate, love, hate, become infuriated then full of praise on the flip of a dime, all this might be related directly to people having their opinions and perspectives unheard or opressed throughout most of their lives, and when something can be turned into an event that allows for this kind of banding together…a false cause or what have you, they feel the need to *pounce* and release a lot of pent up expressive angst.

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  • GuateChapin

    If this happend in Guatemala, those japs would clearly be dead ! haha and the japs know why. QUEMEN A TODOS ESO JAPONESES HIJOS DE PUTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VIVA LA MARA SALVATRUCHA

  • jz

    you ignorant pussy (fcku daluren) go back into your father’s penis

  • fcuk da lu ren

    Hey JZ,

    You talk tough but I would beat you like those japs beat your comrades, suck it

  • Fat American

    I’ve been to enough college parties to be familiar with the way these incidents are handled in the USA.

    Very simply, the irritated people call the police. The police come by, usually issue an expensive ticket and a court date. Please note the absence of violence.

    Despite my native country being horribly screwed up in almost every way, there are some things about it that I miss.

  • Peteryang

    wow, I really enjoy the fighting here.

    /grab popcorn

  • Student in Beijing

    The rhetoric is interesting, and disturbingly confused. Wouldn’t the way to show unity and patriotism be to start by obeying your country’s laws, and the rules laid down by your school? By all means, protest, petition, and press charges until the perpetrators (if that indeed is what they are) have no choice but to go home in shame. All of the macho antics (which failed to amount to anything anyways) only create further problems for their country, by wasting police resources and creating unnecessary controversy, not to mention endangering the lives of innocent bystanders. Even if all of the Chinese students were “unified”, wouldn’t they still be at odds with the Chinese police, who are the only ones who had any business handling the matter? How is that showing Chinese solidarity? Well, not that I expect anyone on online forums to make sense anyways, regardless of what country they come from.

  • ChinK Girls Fucker

    FUCK ALL CHINKS! NEVER BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT POLITE, HIGHLY DEVELOPED AND COOL JAPANESE PEOPLE! THEY CHINKS ONLY GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED! IT’S SO FUNNY HOW THEY ARE THOUGHT TO HATE JAPANESE PEOPLE WHEN THEIR OWN CHINK GOVERNMENT HATES THEM! HAHA!

  • jamar

    I have a theory…
    So, SniperWZ, which of the translated BBS posts is yours? And seriously, 95% of what people think like you? Exactly. And Japan won’t be going down anytime soon. If you think it’s replaceable, well, American lenders thought subprime mortgages were a great idea too.

    Of course, I prefer to use Japanese and European products in my daily life and have an American passport. I can see you screaming “Traitor” already.

    And @GuateChapin- Lovely sentiment there.

  • Mike

    In Japan, how often do you hear regular people on the street refer to Chinese in a negative way? In the US, how often do you hear of Chinese or Japanese refered to in a negative way? In China, how often do you hear Japanese or other foreigners refered to in a negative way? One of the most normal ways in China to refer ro a Japanse person, no matter which part of the country you live in, is ribenguizi, Japanese devil. That’s a fact. Every movie on tv is about fighting the Japanese devils. Why does China have a special ability to hate the Japanese? I know the history well. Better than most. Why have so many other countries learned to deal with the history in a mature fashion yet China often can’t? Koreans, Brits, Americans, Malays, etc. all have just as valid a reason, if not more so, to hate Japan, yet they usually deal with it so much more maturely than China. Why?

  • SniperWZ

    fcuk da lu ren, wait and observe the changes, and accept it, don’t die on me like Gerald Segal…

  • GlennPH

    After reading some of the post in ChinaSmack. I would like to leave some comments.

    Many of you criticize the Shanghai students of nationalistic reaction. Some even defended the Japanese students by saying they are drunk, and was enraged by someone throwing a water bottle from upper floors. And that’s was that – somehow justifying it.

    But that’s simplistic. I believe that the noise pollution created by the Japanese students are not an isolated incident but a near daily affair. Coupled by the fact, that the School authorities probably always protected these students. There were probably numerous complaints against them, to a point that these japanese students thinks they are above the regulations of the school. The Chinese students have probably put up with this for a long time. Asking the securities to handle such cases will come to nod.

    Now, coming back. While it can be argued that the Japanese students were pissed off by the bottle throwing. It does not justify them to run up to the 9th floor with weapons, banging every door shouting “Fuck China” along the way, looking for the culprit and beating the shit out anyone who responding to the knock-on-the-door, and expect Chinese students not to response nationlistically.. Serious. Shouting “Fuck China” in itself portray National hatred. Coming from the Japanese.. WTF do you expect.

    If the drunk japanese actions can be explained by bottle throwing, so can the Chinese Action by explained by anti-jargons. Which is worst, who got beaten and hospitalised ?

  • SniperWZ

    I know many of you are as frustrated as Gordon Chang! You observe the changes and gains China has made this decade and you’re just furious that China only gets stronger every year, much to your chagrin, while the wonu becomes ever more irrelevant. Don’t worry, like many others, I drive a Honda and have an American passport, too, being practical and working towards the destruction of the wonu can exist side by side. Fcuk da lu ren, your presence in China contributes to its growth, so thanks to you as well!

  • Frustrated Laowai

    I don’t understand why foreigners have to bear the Chinese making noises but why can’t we?
    anyway Japanese students shouldn’t have done that though.

  • Ann

    Rick in China:
    “Again, a massive generality, but a ‘feeling’ that is clear and present: there is a very quick “turn” against whole groups of people based on news they hear in the world or events they are told about, or popular internet rumors. French PM doesn’t want to go to Olympics ceremony? Hate all things french! Korea hates japan? Love korea! Someone korean insensitive about earthquake? Hate korea! Love, hate, love, hate, become infuriated then full of praise on the flip of a dime, all this might be related directly to people having their opinions and perspectives unheard or opressed throughout most of their lives, and when something can be turned into an event that allows for this kind of banding together…a false cause or what have you, they feel the need to *pounce* and release a lot of pent up expressive angst.”

    Your observation and analysis is right on. My supposition is the Chinese culture of togetherness and the political tendencies of victimhood. The togetherness or so called unity make Chinese vulnerable to mass think and behavior. They follow their leaders blindly. By leader it is not some one with balanced view and charisma. It is more like a leader of a mob, whoever can yell the loudest and can stir up the bassiest emotions. Just think of the scenes during the Red Guards era, chanting rampaging randomly through out the country, destroying, and killing. These Chinese youths have a very juvenile social development which results in each individual unable to separate self from the group. It is very much like pack animals following the leader. At least pack animals do it for survival. These Chinese youths do it for hate.

    The victimhood which is encouraged by the government of holding grudge against the whole world. Chinese still hate U.S. and Europe for their imperialist attitude over a hundred years ago, never mind when U.S. sent weapons and food to China to fight the Japanese and subsequently liberated China from Japanese occupation. Hong Kong was developed as an important trade center with Chinese talent and hardwork, but under the protection and administration of Britain. Chinese could only see it as a reminder of their humiliation from their defeat by the British during the Opium War. Their list of grudges are long and deep against the world. The Chinese government has been stoking nationalism to maintain their legitimacy. Japan should do the honorable thing to apologize to China for its attrocities committed during their occupation (My family was in Shanghai at the time and had many memories and stories of Japanese attrocity to tell). Unfortunately, they had been let off the hook by U.S. because of the cold war when U.S. needed Japan as a military base to watch over Soviet expansionism. Germany had done more than necessary to apologize for its past. As long as Japan refuses to recognize its brutal past, there is always a tendency to forget only to repeat the same mistake of eventual self-destruction and death by the millions. At present there is already brewing anationalistic sentiment in Japan.

    Otherwise, many overseas Chinese do not carry any hositlity towards Japanese. In fact for cultural reasons, it is much easier to make friends with Japanese, than Asian with White and Black, for the reason that we have much in common in language, art, work ethic, social manners of being considerate. People can enrich each other so much more than to claim national, ethnic or racial superiorty, only to blind oneself to new way of doing and seeing.

    • Fike2308

      “My supposition is the Chinese culture of togetherness and the political tendencies of victimhood. The togetherness or so called unity make Chinese vulnerable to mass think and behavior. They follow their leaders blindly. By leader it is not some one with balanced view and charisma. It is more like a leader of a mob, whoever can yell the loudest and can stir up the bassiest emotions.” – Ann

      Ann, you are totally right!

    • Fike2308

      I also agree with the statement, “The Chinese government has been stoking nationalism to maintain their legitimacy.”

      Right on the money.

  • Veer Left

    THis is ridiculous.
    Japan and various Japanese figures have publicly apologized for WW2 atrocities. And more importantly the Japanese (and Americans, Canadians et al) have GIVEN money in humanitarian aid to China, even as China was throwing rocks at it’s embassies and building space rockets. Japan has been pouring money into this countries economy and industrial infrastructure to the point where it begins to look like they believe in the China Dream more than the Chinese (who are mostly out for a quick buck)!

    In a country with “State Controlled Media” , what exactly do you know?

  • Ann

    VeerLeft:
    Check it out on PBS Frontline/World: ….In April 2005, a Japanese junior high school textbook set off a furor in China. The textbook minimized one of the most infamous instances of Japanese war-time atrocities in China—calling the Nanjing Massacre an “incident.”
    The former Prime Minister visited the shrine of Japanes War heroes.
    Yeah, Japan invested a lot of money in China, so do Europe, America; they all do it for self-interest. Not that there is anything wrong with it, Japan had not come right out to admit their brutality and atrocity during the War.

  • sunset123

    It’s absurd to upgrade a minor school camp incident into something relating to national emotions.
    Seemingly these angry youths could never choose a right outlet the express their feeling of patriotism. The weird nationalism is obviously due to lack of self-confidence and matureness of their psyche.

  • alex

    its ok, the translated forum postings show just how mature chinese people are!

    i hope it spreads so everybody around the world can see it.

  • Yikes

    “its ok, the translated forum postings show just how mature chinese people are!

    i hope it spreads so everybody around the world can see it.”

    I’m quite sure it reveals more about how you perceive this situation rather than what the Chinese people think.

  • Wow…

    I don’t understand how this hate accumulated. I mean, if the Japanese students were causing noise, wouldn’t it normal to first ask them to quiet down?
    If they refuse or continue you could just ask security to kick them out or something.
    I mean, the Japanese kids being loud, drunk, and partying wasn’t a good idea.
    (Well, since it is college I expect that they weren’t the only ones doing that anyway)
    But the Chinese students provoked them first by throwing water.

    Also, it’s pretty bad that what those Japanese students did makes them categorize all Japanese (or even foreign people) to be “bad”.

    Individuals do not define the whole.

  • SniperWZ

    The problem is the current government is too weak minded and feeble in its response, we’ll need to democratically elect a new nationalist party who can finally execute the plans Chiang Kai-shek described in his memoir, “China’s Destiny”. China’s true potential cannot be achieved by a government that willingly ceded a huge chunk of the Qing Empire and even today toadies up to the wonu.

    • Gemen(r)

      I don’t understand how 10 Japanese people didn’t get their asses kicked by a school full of Chinese people? Something doesn’t add up here. That’s why I think THIS STORY IS A BUNCH OF BS. All those pictures could’ve been taken from the balcony of somebody’s apartment during some house party that got out of hand for all I know. Anytime we hear anyone talk about this incident, the stories are only coming from a bunch of Chinese people. Why don’t we hear something from some of the Japanese kids or from some of the other foreigners that had to have witnessed the event?

      Somebody else mentioned this already, but basically Japan is just a scapegoat for China’s problems. The people in charge created an enemy to distract people from its own shortcomings. However, I’m not saying that the crap Japan pulled back in the day didn’t happen.

      Too many Chinese people are starting to sound like a bunch of jealous and spoiled babies every time they pull out the “blame the japanese! We hate them” card.” Unfortunately, most Chinese people are too ignorant or uneducated to see their immaturity. The bottom line is, if China wants to get taken seriously and wants to get back at Japan, they need to start working on competing on the same level. China is currently just a giant factory. China doesn’t create things; it can only copy and manufacture things. What I hate even more is when Chinese people bring up the “5 of the greatest inventions of all time came from China” speech. That stuff is all in the past. Human beings need innovation.

      • Fike2308

        “Somebody else mentioned this already, but basically Japan is just a scapegoat for China’s problems. The people in charge created an enemy to distract people from its own shortcomings. However, I’m not saying that the crap Japan pulled back in the day didn’t happen.

        Too many Chinese people are starting to sound like a bunch of jealous and spoiled babies every time they pull out the “blame the japanese! We hate them” card.” Unfortunately, most Chinese people are too ignorant or uneducated to see their immaturity. The bottom line is, if China wants to get taken seriously and wants to get back at Japan, they need to start working on competing on the same level. China is currently just a giant factory. China doesn’t create things; it can only copy and manufacture things.”

        - Gemen(r)

        I totally agree…..one thing I like about this site is finding other laowai out there who feel the same way as I do about China and the people here.

  • Shanghai Brit

    It’s interesting to see how the majority of Chinese feel one way whilst the majority of the rest of the world feels completely the opposite.

    As for the Japanese never apologising about the war:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

    Have a read of that.

  • Ann

    Shanghai Brit:
    That is no apology. The Japanese leaders danced around the subject in generality. There was never specific mention of anything. You can call it a white wash, sanitized apology. Any good news reporter or language experts can see the ploy.

    On Personal versus Official Japanese Apology: “Were these apologies considered adequate, there would be no perennial debate of whether an official national apology is due. It is instructive to compare the responses of Japan to Germany, who is responsible for the Jewish Holocaust of WW II. Since the late sixties, Germany was not called on to apologize as the German postwar generation is eager to remember, to learn and to prevent recurrence of similar genocides.” – Global Alliance for Preserving WWII history in Asia.

    To this date Japan had not paid for any compensation to victims of Japanese atrocity, British, Dutch, Australian, Korean, Philipinos, and Chinese.
    They have invested to sell cars, appliances, electronics, but not direct or indirect compensation.

    I would highly recommend that everyone on this blog read it and give their opinon as to whether the Japanese actually apologized.

  • SniperWZ

    agree with Ann on this point…

  • jamar

    @SniperWZ-”you’re just furious that China only gets stronger every year”- yes, the stock market losing most of its value and inflation proceeding at above-normal rates and the housing bubble that’s about to go bust is “getting stronger every year”, is it? In that case, shouldn’t America be even stronger?

    “The problem is the current government is too weak minded and feeble in its response, we’ll need to democratically elect a new nationalist party who can finally execute the plans Chiang Kai-shek described in his memoir, “China’s Destiny”.”
    You know what, suddenly I don’t mind the current party staying in power after all.

  • Sexy Fat Buddha

    “To this date Japan had not paid for any compensation to victims of Japanese atrocity, British, Dutch, Australian, Korean, Philipinos, and Chinese.
    They have invested to sell cars, appliances, electronics, but not direct or indirect compensation.

    I would highly recommend that everyone on this blog read it and give their opinon as to whether the Japanese actually apologized.”

    Ann makes some valid points here. She’s right. Doesn’t alter the fact that Japan will never apologise or offer compensation. Maybe it’s to do with that Eastern concept of ‘face’. The face thing constantly baffles me.

  • SniperWZ

    jamar, it doesn’t matter what you think…since you sound like an ignorant moron who have no clue what’s going on in the world, go to google and search for “credit crisis”; what you just described is true pretty much everywhere in the world right now.

    “You know what, suddenly I don’t mind the current party staying in power after all.”

    Don’t be a communist supporter.

  • teacher in china

    I want to say a couple of things here, as this is something me and my colleagues have talked about here in China in the last three years.

    1) You can’t rightly compare the situation with China/Japan to Germany. No public official (much less the prime minister) in Germany is visiting shrines dedicated to SS officers or other people considered by other countries to be war criminals. Yet that’s what happened for several years in Japan when what’s-his-name visited that shrine (too lazy to look stuff up, sorry). That’s obnoxious, plain and simple. Add to that the textbook controversy, and it’s clear that Chinese have a right to be pissed at Japan.

    2) That being said, I have a problem with the teaching of hate. I’ve had personal experience with Chinese teachers and students and it appears that it’s not unusual for students to be taught to hate Japan for what they did. Maybe these are isolated cases by crazed teachers. It’s pretty tough to justify teaching kids to hate. Teaching them not to forget, yes, ok. But not to hate. Intense nationalism and hatred are things that the world needs to hope can go away with each generation, since these are the things that are keeping us all down; we certainly don’t need to be teaching it in school.

    3) I realize that this negates my first point, but I’m going to say it anyway since so many people always want to bring up Germany in any discussion about this topic. Having volunteered in a Jewish private school in the past, I can assure you that Jewish children do not get taught to hate Germany. Rather, they learn about what happened, how terrible it was that humans can act this way towards each other; they try to find some good stories that came out of the bad situation; they try to think of ways in which we can prevent this from ever happening again.

    This is all just personal experience, take what you will from it.

    • ac005

      I find that(teaching hate in schools) personally quite hard to believe(I’m surprised they didn’t get fired).

      I went to primary school in Beijing and never during my time there was I ever taught to ‘hate Japan’. Yes there are various stories in our text books about heroic actions of Chinese soldiers who sacrificed their lives in the war and so on. But I can assure you that racial comments against the Japanese were considered highly inappropriate.

      I remember one time somehow a discussion about Japanese people were mentioned in class and a classmate either made some sort of generalization about Japan or condemned all the the Japanese with regards to WWII. When the comment was made you could literally see how disturbed my teacher looked, she generally was upset and shocked. Then before she could make a comment another student spoke up and said that generalizing that all Japanese people are evil was bad and that there are good and bad people in every country and something like that. Our teacher then praised him and made it clear to the rest of us that while we may be upset with the tragedy of all those who perished innocently during war time, we shouldn’t blame all of those Japanese people who really didn’t do anything. Then you know, she gave an example of how we wouldn’t like it if people bullied us because our parents were criminals even though we were innocent etc.

      I can also tell you that the example I mentioned isn’t a one-off event. I do understand that Anti-Japanese sentiment is very strong in China especially since Japanese official keep visiting shrines for war criminals and not even acknowledging their own war crimes but those sentiments aren’t really taught from school, they are mainly being passed down to the younger generations by the older generation who probably experienced the war. You might not believe me but I know since I am Chinese. I also remember when my cousin (who was older than me) told me in one of her classes – history I think – their teacher was going through WWII topic and then he had to excuse himself saying “By saying this I might get fired but I’m going to say it anyways…” and then he dissed Japan and blah blah. You know what the students did? They all cheered (well not all but most but then again this was way back in the 90′s where anti-Japanese sentiment was much stronger than today). This is obviously an example that openly dissing the Japanese was unacceptable and also that those kids already had anti-Japanese sentiments before the teacher even told them anything.

      Anyways if they are preaching hate then you should seriously report him/her because it is in no way appropriate ಠ_ಠ.

  • Peteryang

    well, one thing I agree with sniperwz is we should have a government that act truly on people’s will, because right now the native chinese in china like me are third-class citizens.

    I dont know if anyone already knew, a train stopped for some japanese tourists to get them on a cop car and escort them straight to the airport because they were about to miss a flight, while a migrant worker was strangled to death probably by the same kind of people who served the foreigners, and this coquetry reached its peak during the olympics, one british journalist wrote about how he received “emperial class” hospitality in Beijing that he didn’t even have to open doors himself.

    now don’t get me wrong, I want china to live peacefully with other nations or races, I just want EQUALITY.

  • 目前民族主义的目的不是为了反外,而是为了尊内。虽然现在国人生活水平提高,国力增强,但“崇洋媚外”的心理和几百年前一样,甚至更糟。这种心理就像疾病一样一代一代地遗传下来。
    当看到一边是“1291次列车 狂躁民工被绑一夜死在火车上”;一边是“大连火车破例临时停1分钟助日籍旅客赶飞机”;再联想到外国人在中国所受到的“超国民待遇”,足以让一个人心寒!
    所以我要赞扬这些“鄙视警察”的大学生,他们的行为虽然不理智但从他们身上所体现出来的精神足以让我为民族主义赞叹。

  • Fuller

    @ Fat American

    “I’ve been to enough college parties to be familiar with the way these incidents are handled in the USA.

    Very simply, the irritated people call the police. The police come by, usually issue an expensive ticket and a court date. Please note the absence of violence.”

    I can’t decide if you’re being ironic or not, since your comment seems so ridiculous, but I’m going to bite anyway.

    Where do you live? Perfectville, USA? Have you really ever been to college? Get any young, macho male (drunk or not) in any country in the world into a situation where they can show off in a fight, and they’ll fight. Plain and simple. To suggest that in the USA this all would have been handled so perfectly and peacefully is totally outrageous.

    • Fike2308

      @ Fuller – True, but Americans don’t get together and sing patriotic songs after a fight at a college party….at least not from my experience.

  • Yikes

    What’s so hard to understand about face. The west is so self-conscious and image obsessed yet you can’t recognize face?

  • Sexy Fat Buddha

    What’s so hard to understand about face. The west is so self-conscious and image obsessed yet you can’t recognize face?

    two different things, no?

  • http://- Tom

    We all agree a full water bottle or an empty beer bottle from the 9th floor would kill anyone it hit right? So that pathetic little twat student attempted to murder some Japanese who were celebrating a birthday.

    I hope he is arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent for attempted murder.

  • anon dude

    but don’t you think that these Japanese guy should have given some common courtesy? However, I don’t agree what the Chinese student did though. They should have reported it and let the authority deal with it. This type of shit should be common in your typical college life. Dudes throwing a party next door blasting their music 1 in the morning and your are trying to sleep or get shit done. That’s what frat parties are for. These guys if they want to celebrate, fine with me… but if it’s 1 in the morning take your party to the bar, club… whatever.

  • Sexy Fat Buddha

    ^ Yeah but wait.. They’re students.

    When I was a student I spent most of my waking hours pursuing the art of debauchery.

    What’s wrong with these Chinese kids that they want to go to bed early and study hard? Grow some balls, ffs.

  • krdr

    In last century, Germans killed almost 4 millions of my people. They made apology, payed reparations, and no one goes on street raging against Germans for something they do 60 years ago.

    Problem is that Japan wont to made apology, to recognize their war crimes. Why is that? They are ashamed, that’s why. As Chinese people, they don’t admit that mistake is made. It is same reason I spent two hours on airport, loosing my plane. Guy that made mistake never said “sorry” to me. He pretended like nothing happened. This is just small example how east Asians deals with stuffs they ashamed off.

    Many Japanese that I know feels very uncomfortable about war crimes.

  • Rick in China

    @”Japan will never apologize” crowd.

    All these posts saying “Japan has never apologized” “Japan will never apologize” do you people not even read your own censored newspapers? FUCK!

    http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200508/15/eng20050815_202471.html Of course something this significant gets almost NO attention and an extremely, extremely small bit of coverage. Wait here’s ANOTHER one 2 years later http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japanese-prime-minister-apologizes-to-world-war-iiera-sex-slaves-442000.html They apologize. They apologize a LOT.

    “Abe had said previously he would not offer a fresh apology, saying the government expressed its remorse in a 1993 statement on the matter by then Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono.” They have been apologizing since 1993 in various ways, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, HERE:

    “Japan has rejected most compensation claims from victims. Instead, a private fund created in 1995 by the Japanese government has provided a way to support former sex slaves without offering official government compensation.
    Many women rejected the payments, demanding government compensation and a parliament-approved apology.”
    Looks like a bunch of whining and bitching over semantics to me. My grandfather was shot in the leg by a german and lost his ability to walk normally for the remainder of his life with bits of shrapnel lodged in his femur, he held no ill will towards germans, it was a war. How many generations of Japan/ese giving ‘insufficient’ apologies and funds that most of the whining people don’t even pay attention to or have relation to are required? Clearly there’s no answer to that question as no matter what is done it will NEVER be enough.

    • Fike2308

      Seriously, what the hell does China want Japan to do at this point?

      Give them all of their land and money and kill themselves?

      Even if Japan did that I think China would still bitch about them…or just look for a new enemy to blame all of their problems on.

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    Re: Japanese Apologies for WW2

    - Many Japanese people and members of the Japanese government have been publicly contrite and apologetic for what the nation of Japan has previously done to the Chinese.

    - Unfortunately, there are still Japanese who are not contrite, apologetic, or have rationalized away what happened in the past. Some of it is understandable to even many rational, intelligent Chinese but there are also often instances that are insensitive or legitimately outrageous.

    - It is understandable for Chinese people to harbor resentment towards the Japanese even if they calmly do understand that not all Japanese are responsible to what happened in the past. There is a lot of history and while everyone needs to work towards putting it behind them, it is foolish to not acknowledge how powerful these sentiments are.

    - Every time someone or something in Japan is insensitive towards their past atrocities, there will be people (not just Chinese) who will take offense to it. This unfortunately brings back all the bad memories and feelings of resentment. As a nation, China definitely has certain traumas. While it should not be continuously coddled as a victim (sooner or later it is one’s own responsibility to grow up), it is just blind idiocy to think the Chinese aren’t going to bitch and whine when anyone in Japan does anything that can be interpreted as being insensitive towards China’s past grievances with Japan. No matter how Japan’s former prime minister rationalized paying his respects to the very leaders responsible for massacring Chinese, the Chinese are going to think it is despicable.

    - There is a nationalistic movement within Japan to this day comprised of members who feel it is foolish for Japan to continually whip itself for what happened in the past. They feel, after all, that they are not their forefathers, that they did not commit the atrocities their ancestors did, and that they have MUCH to be proud of in modern Japan. All of this is rational and understandable. Many of these people do not deny nor do they feel they are being insensitive to history; they just want to move on and not feel bad for being proud of themselves.

    - There is nothing wrong with being proud of yourself, your people, and your country. But there IS something wrong when you start becoming arrogant, looking down upon others, going as far as diminishing them, using racist terms, being racist, and whitewashing historical facts.

    Politics is complicated. International politics more so. Politics between the Japanese and Chinese are incredibly frustrating due to legitimate gripes about each other and about what has happened. As with any society, the emotional and idiotic often outnumber and are more vocal than the rational. It is true that given the sheer population of China that even a small percentage seems like a lot. Hopefully, observers can keep that in mind before painting all Chinese with the conclusions of a single experience. It goes without saying that the same goes for the Chinese themselves in how they look at others.

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    @ Sexy Fat Buddha:

    Come on, man, you can’t be serious about insisting that every college kid fitting your conception of what a college kid should be like. What’s wrong if they do want to go to bed early and study hard? Just because you preferred to spend your college years partying or pursuing the art of debauchery doesn’t mean that’s what everyone else should do.

    I thought a big part of college for me was learning how to coexist with your peers. Throwing a party, being too loud, and not respecting others after they ask you to quiet down is rude. So is physically escalating a situation by throwing a bottle at someone but we really shouldn’t be judging this incident by trying to excuse either side.

    BOTH sides should be held accountable for their own mistakes in judgment. There’s enough blame to go around.

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