The Mummy 3: Insult To China and Chinese People?

The Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor recently debuted in Chinese cinemas.

'The Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor' Chinese movie poster with Brendan Frasier and Jet Li.

Many people were very disappointed (especially the people who liked the first two movies) and many Chinese were also very angry. Here is an example of some of the topics that recently appeared on many Chinese BBS forums:

Made by American dogs Mummy 3 insults our country’s founding emperor, can you still put up with it?

Crappy, motherfucking, trash American director, actually made this insult to China’s founding emperor movie, that trash director is simply smearing our country, smearing our ancestors, and you guys can still put up with it?

Motherfucking saying our founding emperor, Qin Shi Huang, is a 3 headed weird dragon, changing our Chinese ancestor’s good image into a dragon, smearing into worthlessness. All Chinese people know that the dragon is god in our hearts, but he vilifies the dragon into a monster! Also, that trash actor old witch [Michelle Yeoh] lived 2000 years and gave birth to a 2000-year-old daughter and gave her daughter to an American! Fucking Motherfucker! Moreover, that crappy trash American director even made it so those ten people can completely kill our China’s founding emperor and all of the emperor’s millions of soldiers! Once again, I despise the America.

There were people who agreed and were outraged also. However, there were also people who thought these people were overreacting. Below are some of the more interesting or funny comments:

From Baidu Tieba (“Post Bar”):

If you are a motherfucking Chinese, bump these kind of posts!!!
If you are the Sick Man of Asia then do not bump!
Motherfuckers, Chinese emperor’s life and death is beyond the control of foreigners to decide…
I hope Jet Li (my idol) will no longer make these kind of movies! I am depressed!

Trash movie. I do not understand why Jet Li is always doing these types of movies. Is he willing to do anything just to make money? I look down upon him.

Even though Qin Shi Huang contributed to uniting the six kingdoms, do not forget, your own history acknowledges that he was a tyrant. I think if this movie deified Qin Shi Huang, you would turn around and still be angry~! There are still a lot of people who just follow the crowd. Can you not just watch this purely as a movie?

Sigh, you people really have issues, insisting that a movie must be historically accurate…pretending like you are all so patriotic, really really, from where I stand you are all a bunch of clowns. Even with a normal science fiction movie, you guys can drag out so many things. It is a good thing movie stars do not think like you guys, otherwise they would only make domestic movies in the future. It is a good thing SARFT does not think like you guys, otherwise we would only be able to watch domestic movies in the future. Even if we had foreign films, we would not be able to see any Chinese presence/influence. Good thing you guys are the minority, otherwise China will never make progress.

I remember during 9/11, there was someone who outrageously said “Bombed so well, why not bomb more of them?”; I still remember the foreign teacher’s sorrowful expression…so from that point on, I had an awareness that China will never earn others’ respect so long as we have that kind of countrymen.

Everyone watch your manners! Foreigners simply do not know Chinese history! It is not necessary to scold them!

Really cannot figure out what you mental retards are thinking!!! This is only a movie, why insist on adding so many unnecessary elements! Movies are simply to be enjoyed, and this is not even an epic film or a historical drama, it is just an entertainment film only!! Do we not have movies in China that belittle foreigners, but have others ever said anything!! I just discovered there are some people who simply like to blindly motherfucking cause commotion, but know absolutely nothing, understand nothing, and just like to motherfucking stand on the side stirring up trouble! Your type of people like to anonymously express those small-minded opinions, right? Very well, I will also anonymously scold your type of rubbish!! Go eat shit!!!

There is no need to criticize here!
If you want to criticize, criticize the movie!
Do not make it into an issue between two countries!

This kind of movie simply should not be shown in China’s movie theatres! Simply cannot stand capitalist countries messing with our Chinese traditional culture! This is simply cultural imperialism!

I motherfucking endured it. Once our country gets strong, I will motherfucking go play [George] Washington!

'The Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor' movie poster.

Comments from KDS, “Yesterday saw Mummy 3, a review” and “Have you guys seen Mummy 3? I have been struck by lightning!!“:

Three words: A complete mess!!!
Tarnishes the reputation of the first and second movie! Dammit.

No wonder that original actress did not continue her role, the script was really terrible.

The Terracotta Warriors spoke English…

Well, the “wu mao dang” can find a way to argue that English originated from ancient China…

You bunch of babies.
When the State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television (SARFT) wanted to disallow this movie [from being shown in China], everyone criticized SARFT. Now that the movie was allowed to enter China, everyone criticizes the movie.
Should the Egyptians be angry with 1 and 2 also?

I thought it was pretty good.
The unimaginable thing was that several thousand year old tomb guards could speak fluent English.

So stupid~~random Chinese and English~~one moment speaking Chinese another moment speaking English~~surprisingly they used English when summoning the dead from under the Great Wall…wow, even dead people are learning English now…that is not easy!

The key thing is that the director is different. It was not the same director as the first and second movie. He did not have the same skill.

Actually, 1 and 2 were also ridiculous, only thing is you are not Egyptian~~~

No big deal, after watching 1 and 2, Egyptians felt the same way as we do right now.

In short: American movies about Chinese history absolutely cannot be be viewed as historical movies.

Luckily I only spent 5 RMB and did not go to the cinema to watch! It really is bad!

And the dragon is even a Western-style dragon, with wings!

Very and extremely disappointed~~~suffered waiting for so long, only for it to turn out like this~~sigh…

A very disgusting movie~~~

'The Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor' movie poster with Brendan Frasier, Jet Li, Michelle Yeoh.

Comments from Tianya, “Qin Shi Huang, you have been wronged–Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor discussion“:

Why watch movies with so many burdens?
Americans also make fun of and smear themselves too.

A nationality that easily feels wronged is an insecure one, and one that will be difficult to progress.

Saw it, it is simply the trash of the trash, bump for the LZ…

Lou zhu emphasizes Americans too much. Because it was made by Americans, he feels uncomfortable and thinks we have been made fun of by Americans.

You really have thought too much.

Relax, it is just a commercial film, do not think it was made by Americans. They probably did not even think of making fun of you when they were making this film.

Too much self-pride is equivalent to an inferiority complex.

Remember Mel Gibson’s Braveheart and The Patriot also made British people feel hurt, particularly English people.

Mummy 1: High priest defeated by this American.
Mummy 2: Scorpion King defeated by this American.
Mummy 3: Qin Shi Huang defeated by this American.

If it continues along these lines..
Mummy 4: Great Caesar resurrected, then defeated.
Mummy 5: Genghis Khan resurrected, again defeated.
Mummy 6: Napoleon also resurrected, again defeated.
Mummy 7: Even Hitler resurrected, and goes on to being defeated.

All the way up to Mummy 1000, every dead famous character has been resurrected once and all were destroyed by this mighty American once.
Once the Americans can no longer think of anyone to resurrect and destroy, they will let God be resurrected, the Sun God be resurrected, Athena be resurrected, Tathagata

I cannot wait~~~

Just stop whining here. Real patriotic people should stop going to the cinemas to watch these American blockbusters. Each year, American blockbusters make so much money in China.

Let us use a practical method to show America that no Chinese will go watch the movie, so the Chinese box office = 0. We will only watch the pirated version!Show our dissatisfaction in the same way as the recent Microsoft lawsuit against the Tomato Garden fake Windows XP.

I do not believe this movie smears Chinese people. On the contrary, Chinese people fought against Qin Shi Huang, defeated Qin Shi Huang’s army, revolutionized ancient China, no longer obeying dictatorship, they were people with courage and backbone, they were China’s glory and honor.

As for the Chinese people scolding this film, they are China’s disgrace.
Most of the Chinese who had a strong reaction have servility in their bones.

If your pride was hurt by something like this then should the Egyptians have all died a few hundred times already? With so many movies made around the world, should the Germans have died a thousand times?

According to reliable sources: “Mummy 4: Resurrection of Emperor Mao.” According to the source, it is currently in the planning stages…

The story will take place in the future in 2076, the 100th anniversary of Mao’s death, where Mao is resurrected, surrounded by tens of thousands of Red Guards, another Cultural Revolution breaks out, human civilization faces an unprecedented threat, can Brendan Frasier save the world this time???

…???

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  • Veer Left

    This discourse is quite interesting! I think that people should take into account that this is NOT a historical drama, it’s a fantasy movie. Chinese should be flattered that their history is considered colorful enough to be the crux of a bigtime fantasy series sequel.
    I think that the Mummy 1 and 2 were better, but this is not a reason to get bent out of shape.

    • Fike2308

      Yeah, it makes me wonder if any Egyptians were offended by any of these movies.

    • http://yahoo BruceLeealivenwilkikass

      YOu must be one of many blind white americans (or white
      boy) who didn’t see the subliminal messages projected by
      Jewish sublime Hollywood. Again again again n again we
      see this—-Whiteboy gets asian girl. Two very popular
      chinese actors, Jet Li and handsome Russell Wong. Russell Wong portrayed as a rotten corpse! Jet Li is melting , rotting, on his knees in front Jew-Brandon Fraizer and other white boy—they’re standing tall watching this asian man rotting to death while asian women are standing along side of them. Yes, I do have a
      white girlfriend and get laid…many xxx.

    • http://yahoo BruceLeealivenwilkikass

      YOu must be one of many blind white americans (or white
      boy) who didn’t see the subliminal messages projected by
      Jewish sublime Hollywood. Again again again n again we
      see this—-Whiteboy gets asian girl. Two very popular
      chinese actors, Jet Li and handsome Russell Wong. Russell Wong portrayed as a rotten corpse! Jet Li is melting , rotting, on his knees in front Jew-Brandon Fraizer and other white boy—they’re standing tall watching this asian man rotting to death while asian women are standing along side of them. Yes, I do have a
      white girlfriend and get laid…many xxx.

  • Uhh..it’s not just Chinese history

    Americans tend to gleefully change everybody’s history for the purposes of big money in the movie industry. Add that to the obsession of creating ridiculous sequels with outrageous storylines for big money and you end up with something like Mummy 3.

    • Fike2308

      Well, Americans create fictional history and put it in movies whereas the Chinese government creates fictional history and puts it in school textbooks…..and then it encourages the Chinese people to complain about Japanese Textbooks…similar how magicians use misdirection to fool their audiences.

  • RBK

    You chinese are pussies

  • Gaoshan

    Yet the first two movies were popular in China. Shouldn’t the Egyptians be pissed off in the same way about those other movies? How can people like the first ones and be so angry about this one which simply follows in the same spirit.

    It is certainly not meant to be anti-China. In fact, the Chinese emperor was used because he is so famous and known world wide. Would the movie be as interesting if it focused on some minor leader from early Uzbekistan? This is an example of Chinese “chip on the shoulder” syndrome… the ability to see offense where none was intended.

    I know how strongly Chinese feel about the whole “sick man of asia” label and I agree that that is an infuriating and insulting thing but by reacting so over the top to something that was done with no insult intended only highlights an inferiority complex.

    • Alikese

      China is not the “sick man of Asia” China is the “self-important drama queen of Asia.”

    • Fike2308

      “This is an example of Chinese “chip on the shoulder” syndrome… the ability to see offense where none was intended. ” – GAOSHAN

      SOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!!!!

  • http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/ D’Nesh Rifa

    Being half Berber I can emphasize with the Chinese. Many people in Egypt felt the first two mummy films were condescending to aspects of Egyptian history and portraying Egyptians as weak, needing the “white man” to save them. I do think one needs to take into context that this is a movie and should not be taken too seriously. Sadly however, most people learn about history and culture of other nations solely through hollywood movies which tends to present some false realities of that culture.

  • Kris

    “Why so serious” —–Joker, Heath Ledger

  • Anonymous

    the premise of the movie reflects the stereotypes and negative sentiments of the western world toward a rising china:

    evil HAN emperor resurrects to take over the world and a brave white American must stop the ‘yellow peril.’

    I’m surprised the chinese government doesn’t recognize this and OKed it for domestic showing.

    • Fike2308

      I’m surprised Chinese people (or anyone) give a rat’s ass about these movies.

  • http://www.shanghaitechwriter.com Susan

    I watched Mummy 3 last night and didn’t like it. Very disappointing.

    Almost every Hollywood Chinese / martial arts-type movies are the same …. lame American trying to learn kung fu in like a week, falls in love with pretty Chinese girl, beats kung fu master, beats the villain, becomes hero, wins girl’s heart.

    I think the only redeeming martial arts movie was KungFu Panda.

  • dave

    Gaoshan,

    “It is certainly not meant to be anti-China. In fact, the Chinese emperor was used because he is so famous and known world wide.”

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. He isn’t. He is as famous “Worldwide” as Mr. Whipple.

  • fcuk da lu ren

    Typical Da LU REN response. They can’t see anything that doesn’t make them look awesome without pulling out flags and having a parade. Every time I see a white guy on television they make him to be a monkey. I watched a TV show where foreigners could “SPEAK” Chinese. Quality questions like

    1 How about the first time you used chop sticks
    2 Do you like OUR China
    3 Why did you Americans invade Iraq under the false pretense of WMD’s (of course the guy was from Australia)

    Then let’s take into account that most foreign stories in China involve China historically (although not probably) destroying foreign invaders who have evilly sought to give rice to poor Chinese orphans (that they threw away), because they gave them a bible.

    I’m so tired of the constant whining of Chinese likening everything we do as an insult to them. I doubt very seriously any American has said to a Chinese to their face “He can’t do math, he is a foreigner” or He couldn’t possibly understand America, we are TOO COMPLEX”

    Seriously I watched a documentary on the cultural revolution last night and the only difference between then and now is instead of screaming “Mao Zhu Xi Wan Sui” they are screaming “Zhong Guo Jia You” same same

    • Fike2308

      Dude, I totally feel the same way….

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    @ fcuk da lu ren:

    You ever stop for a moment and realize the chip on your shoulder is about as ridiculously massive as those on the Chinese people you feel an incessant need to criticize?

    Geez man, read some of the encouraging comments above and relax.

  • fcuk da lu ren

    Kai,

    I wouldn’t expect you to understand, you get away under the radar no matter what you do. And yes, I appreciate the positive comments. I don’t know if you are an ABC or what, but after 10 years in China I have learned one thing.

    1. Chinese hate foreigners (insert country)

    I imagine if you faced the kind of racism I do on a daily basis you might just have a chip on your shoulder as well.

    • Fike2308

      Chinese do seem to divide people into 2 categories:

      Chinese people and Foreigners

      Americans aren’t perfect by any means but at least we will call Chinese people Chinese and Mexican people Mexicans…(KKK minority excluded because they don’t represent the majority of Americans).

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    I understand.

    I’d just rather not think of it as one-dimensional “Chinese hate foreigners” because there’s plenty of evidence that many Chinese very much admire, look up, and are attracted to foreigners as well (for many reasons, both “good” and “bad” of course).

    I guess the key here is rising above it all, or them. If they’re going to have a chip on their shoulder towards your race, the idea is to not reciprocate to fundamentally prove you’re better than them. It isn’t necessary, it is idealistic, but you can’t say it doesn’t make sense, right? Otherwise, wouldn’t you be the same as them and thus every bit deserving of your own contempt?

    You’re right that I fly under the radar far better than you (and its nice that my Gravatar lets you see that). I don’t and won’t take being Chinese for granted. At the same time, it is not as if I do not face racism as well when I’m in countries where “Asian” is not the predominant race, such as the United States. It works both ways, which is why rising above it all is that much more important, both on a personal level and for society as a whole.

    In fact, I’d argue that I have it worse than you. Being caught between two worlds, two cultures, two societies, and two sets of values I have to criticize, defend, and get bitched at by BOTH sides whenever one side is right or wrong in accordance to my personal synthesized set of beliefs.

    At least you get to resign yourself to being firmly on one side and not having to deal with actually intimately understanding what the other side thinks/feels. It is easier that way. Ignorance is bliss.

    I often think of myself as the sardonic cynic, so I find it a bit odd trying to champion ideals here. LoL.

    • Fike2308

      I wouldn’t say, “Chinese hate foreigners” because I’ve been treated pretty well by Chinese people during the 3.5 years I’ve lived here…but I do think that many of them are xenophobic, fanatically nationalistic, and eager to criticize other countries while being unable to accept ANY form of (constructive) criticism whatsoever…and that is strange to me because I’m American and I like America but when I was a student a lot of my peers and I would criticize various aspects of America in class…not pat ourselves on the back and wave flags around…

  • bored@5pm

    it’s some kind of marketing ploy, like paying people to queue up for playstation or something. those are fake commentors paid to stir up controversy so that everyone rushes to watch a really bad movie.

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  • Ryan Yang

    RE fuck da lu ren:
    I can see that you must had a very bad experience with Chinese pepople whether in China or in other countries.
    To your comment that “Chinese people hates foreigners” is totally false.
    Maybe some Chinese people dislike foreigners but you cannot stereotype and say that ALL Chinese people hate foreigners.
    I am Chinese and I live in Canada, I am from Da Lu and I have lived in China, and unfortunately I do not hate people that are not Chinese, in fact I love them just like how I love Chinese people.
    And the same is with millions and billions of other Chinese people.

  • Jay

    What an absurd over-reaction by some of the Chinese! I can’t believe the hate venom being spewed out by these ultra=nationalists! Get a grip! Its the movies.

  • Kris

    sick and tired watching arguments and counter-arguments raised around similar topic…….i mean those in the comments

  • Chinamerican

    @ fcuk

    I am not saying that there is ANY excuse EVER for blatant bigotry in any form but consider how isolated these people are and the sort of drivel they’ve been fed about foreigners and their legitimate distrust of foreigners from generations of wars and colonialism. I am a born and bred ABC and I understand that China is a contradiction – there is so much growth in all areas yet so much of their society is backwards.

    I do not know how you came to live in China but after a decade, if you hate it that much, why do you not opt to leave? I’m not saying this to be facetious but I assumed that you would have some means to get out of there, bespecially if these feelings have been stewing for so long. If you are an American born in China, then perhaps you are feeling what generations of Blacks in the US feel.

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    If you think about it, only in the presence of growth can there be anyone who is “backwards.”

    I’m pretty sure fcuk da lu ren actually loves China deep in his heart. It would explain why he’s here and why he visits this website regularly. Like most “anti-China” China residents, he is just disproportionately more vocal about the aspects of China and Chinese that annoy him…which is entirely understandable. One can inherently appreciate, even love, something yet be consistently frustrated and disappointed when its flaws persist.

    I mean, that’s why liberals in America who whine incessantly still continue to live there, right? (Conservatives never really whine about moving out of a country, they only threaten to kick others out).

  • thescriptsucks

    The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor’
    Starring Brendan Fraser and Jet Li, a series’ latest offers special effects and spectacle more than a sense of fun.

    By Kenneth Turan, Times Film Critic
    kenneth.turan@latimes.com

    “THE MUMMY: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor” has the longest title of the trio of modern “Mummy” movies as well as the most elaborate set pieces and most extensive special effects. Bigger, however, does not necessarily mean better, and though the new film has some good things, it does not have enough of them to make the third time the charm.

    Despite some 1,000 visual-effects shots and more skeletons than a ride at Disneyland, this latest “Mummy” adventure, set in China instead of Egypt, is not nearly as much fun as 1999′s “The Mummy” or 2001′s “The Mummy Returns.”

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    It’s not as if those films were small and delicate flowers better suited to a slot at Sundance. They were also envisioned as high-grossing popcorn movies, but as written and directed by Stephen Sommers (who returns as a producer here), they had a genuine sense of off-handed fun that the new version strives for but can’t recapture.

    Instead, as directed by “The Fast and the Furious’ ” Rob Cohen and written by Alfred Gough and Miles Millar, this new “Mummy” can’t shake its pro forma feeling. The Gough and Miller plot is certainly serviceable, but the film’s feeble attempts at banter are on a par with the writers’ best-forgotten work on “Shanghai Noon” and “Shanghai Knights.”

    It’s not just the script that’s a sticking point here; there are problems with some of the acting as well. Brendan Fraser, returning for his third go-round as intrepid archaeologist Rick O’Connell, is noticeably uninvolved with the role this time. Maria Bello, stepping in for Rachel Weisz as the plucky Evelyn, loses some of her naturalness to her British accent. And Australian Luke Ford, as the couple’s grown-up son Alex, is nothing to write home about.

    Given all this, it’s fortunate that the film’s trio of Chinese stars, not burdened with fake-jokey dialogue, come off well. Jet Li is appropriately fierce as the emperor of the title, Mr. Ruthless when it comes to ruling China, and Isabella Leong does her best as Alex’s mysterious love interest. Best of all is Michelle Yeoh, who radiates integrity in every role she takes on and who holds our attention as a powerful sorceress.

    In some ways “The Mummy’s” prologue, set in 50 BC and featuring only Chinese actors, is the best part of the film. Moving briskly, it introduces the dread emperor, modeled loosely on the real-life Qin Shi Huang, who left behind a huge army of terra cotta soldiers, and details the start of his rivalry with Yeoh’s sorceress.

    Then, sadly, the film moves forward to 1946, with Rick and the missus “retired from the espionage game” and bored silly as a result. Unbeknown to them, son Alex is in China, rashly digging up the tomb of that evil emperor, who is a good bet to enslave all mankind if he manages to come back to life. Naturally, Alex’s parents end up getting involved, and all hell threatens to break loose.

    Considerable time and money have no doubt been invested in the film’s numerous action set pieces — some fierce Yetis (don’t ask) are especially effective — and the best thing about “The Mummy” is the sense of spectacle and epic scale director Cohen, cinematographer Simon Duggan and production designer Nigel Phelps bring to the proceedings. If it weren’t for all that inept banter, this might have been a different film indeed. As it is, when Evelyn O’Connell insists that “there’s something terribly romantic about raising the dead,” she’s speaking, regrettably, only for herself.

  • thescriptsucks

    Helllo the second movie already stinks to high heaven!

  • Stu

    “I know how strongly Chinese feel about the whole “sick man of asia” label and I agree that that is an infuriating and insulting thing”

    This shows part of the problem- it WAS an infuriating and insulting thing. If you asked people living in the west what ‘sick man of asia’ referred to, I doubt many people would know what you were talking about.

  • Veer Left

    Kai, disproportionately vocal is the way to put it. Beautiful phrasing.

    I am also tabbed often as being similar to Fcuk DaLuRen, but I am much more diplomatic about it. I refuse to paint every individual with the same brush, yet if I was to paint the entire populace, it would be in a negative light. WHy? Experience…

    I and people like me are tired of the instant glaze on the eyes and ad nauseum repetitious phrases that erupt from the average Chinese when any challenge to the party rhetoric is voiced.
    Everyone has their own private opinion which they will argue and defend amongst Chinese (or on a Chinese language board), but let a foreigner be present or the conversation be in English…and the Pavlovian response kicks in.

    I can almost hear the buzzing, “Protect the Queen!! Protect the Queen!!!”

    • Fike2308

      “I and people like me are tired of the instant glaze on the eyes and ad nauseum repetitious phrases that erupt from the average Chinese when any challenge to the party rhetoric is voiced.” – Veer Left

      I AM WITH YOU 100%

  • Matt

    The movie was sick and unbearable. I can understand all the negative Chinese reaction. The people involved with this movie should be embarrassed, coming out right before the Olympics as it did…

  • Haha

    Movies made in US about Americans and some other culture all have the similar ending. Americans always win, exotic Asian woman needs rescuing from white man, blah blah blah. Americans never learn cultural sensitivity. They always think they are the center of the world and just by interested in someone’s culture, that culture should feel flattered because they are interesting and important enough for Americans to divert 2 seconds of attention. (Exhibit A: Veer Left’s 1st comment. By the way, you showed me the true meaning of “nothing is impossible.” I thought it was impossible for people to actually be so cocky and condescending.) Also a disclaimer: I am not saying all Americans are that way.

    This movie is a model on how to condescend to other cultures. Why shouldn’t people feel fricking offended? Can’t americans feel offended if someone made a movie glorifying the british army to bringer of justice when they are fighting in the independence war and made the independence army look like a bunch of unorganized immoral red necks who lost almost every battle (of which the last part is actually historically accurate)? What if they made one about glorifying the bravery of the terrorists who executed 9/11? Can you still use the argument “it’s only a fricking movie and be mature and stop being insecure”? Some dumbasses above thinks Chinese are not allowed to be outraged and they are the most immature people on the planet if they do.

    Also, ChinaSMACK, you misrepresented the opinion, even though you did put on a “disclaimer”. A lot more people are offended and there are far better arguments for why they are offended. Why do you try to filter and sweeten the Chinese opinion, to accommodate your trollish foreign readers?

    @fcuk Da lun ren
    Don’t know what to say to you without cussing.

    @Kai
    Obviously he doesn’t love China deep in his heart. You have to believe there exist trolls on the internet who, for the only reason of spewing hate message towards China and Chinese people, hang around Chinese blogs and news.

    @Stu
    Yeah, I agree there is almost no one still putting that label on Chinese people, but there is obviously a lot of disrespect towards China and Chinese people because some people still think China can’t do anything right. They still think China can only produce cheap low quality junk in sweat shops, and other than the noveau riche there are only the extremely poor who are the “true” face of China, and all Chinese people are brainwashed zombies whose opinions are immature and do not matter, and Chinese are racists who severely oppress their minorities, blah blah blah….

    • An American

      My suggestions to those who view the movie as an insult:

      1. Don’t take it so seriously, the intent, even if misguided by your standards, was to glorify and show off Chinese culture, not to tear it down.

      2. Americans were emphasized because this is an American movie. Make no mistake, white people will always be the main characters in 99% of American movies, and therefore, white people will always win. Say what you will about making the Chinese the bad guys, I guess, but several were also the good guys. Really only one Chinese person with speaking lines (Jet Li) was a bad guy. Michelle Yeoh, the younger Chinese girl, and the general or whatever, were all good guys. Right? And the reality is… Qin Shi Huang or whatever his name is WAS a bad guy historically. Yes, he was a legendary and important figure, but he was a tyrant by all accounts.

      3. Yes the movie sucked, but it’s just meant to be mindless entertainment, and for many people worldwide it succeeded.

      4. To those who said “What if someone made a movie glorifying the actions of the terrorists bombing on 9/11″
      That is extremely different because that is an extremely recent event that took place several years ago, as opposed to this movie, which is based on a fictional story written solely for the movie based loosely on a character in ancient Chinese history from thousands of years ago.

      5. Most Americans bear absolutely no ill will toward the Chinese whatsoever… That “Sick man of Asia” label is an unfamiliar term to most. We recognize that China is a bright and powerful country and most look forward to our expanding partnership. Chinese Americans are often called the “Perfect Minority” because of their contributions to the economy and culture of America, compared to other minorities. I am not saying we should give Chinese preference, but we do. That being said, some conservatives hate anything not American, and many old people are skeptical of China because of having fought against China several decades ago, and also some still haven’t gotten over Tiananmen Square.

      6. If I had a dollar for every time someone took a ridiculously ethnocentric position focusing on some latent inferiority complex on this site, I’d be able to pay for the rest of my engagement ring this week. How do you think Americans like looking all over the internet and not finding a single site without mindless, tasteless, thoughtless smears against us? We’re not all bad, this movie wasn’t put out by our government as an attack on you.

      Build a goddamn bridge and get over it.

  • mtm

    Looking at the comments, i see a strong diversity of opinion amongst the Chinese commentators with a decent thoughtful to idiot ratio. Do bear in mind that people in China aren’t PC-trained to Western standards, yet still managed to be broadly warm hearted and friendly to foreigners.
    If you take offence at the negative comments, I suggest you need to grow a thicker skin and fúck off the Internet until you do (how often you hear peeps whinge about Chinese “thinskin” and then get worked up cos we hurt their fragile sensibilities).
    Take a fúcking look at Daily Kos, Freeper and Stormfront. Left wing, right wing, extremists; all the fúcking same. Everybody hates us, cos we are apparently uniquely “nationalistic”.
    What a fúcking joke.

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  • fcuk da lu ren

    Kai,

    Appreciate your comments and I think you pretty much articulated what I am feeling. I have done more than my part in this country and have been spat on along the way which is why I choose to whine as opposed to give up or systematically fight as many people in this country as I can.

    I can also understand your being in the middle as I am sure often you must defend why you are not siding with the “motherland” even though you are not a mainlander (although I don’t know if you are I assume you are not).

    Veer Left is right also about the glazed look in people’s eyes. Its the assumption of we are “too stupid” or “can’t understand China” or “we look down on China” insert a comment that we are tired of. You work your hardest to try to learn a language, integrate with the local customs (that are not morally compromising) and yet you are still “jiu shi yi ge lao wai”. IT gets old and yes I understand what blacks must have and probably still endure.

    Going back to the reason why this post was started in the first place I will say this. If a fictional movie can prompt such angry response, you have to wonder what would happen if the TRUTH about some Chinese history was ever to come out. I have heard that in western countries local Chinese stop watching the news and return to China Daily or other DA LU run agencies because they cannot endure the bombardment of the negative (yet true) news coming about China.

    Just some thoughts

    • Fike2308

      Chinese people just can’t understand AMERICAN MOVIES….because they are foreigners.

      Only MEI GUO REN can understand American movies….Zhong guo ren bu ke neng!!

      Oh, I’m being sarcastic by the way.

  • fcuk da lu ren

    To Haha,

    Challenge you to show me a movie, tv show, newspaper article where China does not show herself to be the victor or the in the right and the west is not evil or the loser.

    And for your info, we see anti american movies all the time…. we even make them (see Syriana) so maybe you should take a deep breath, read Mao’s book and cover yourself naked in a Chinese flag and sing your national anthem.

    Trollish foreign readers? Dude, what are you on the website for then? Go back to SINA and talk about how great you are.

    • Fike2308

      I wonder if there are any Japanese heroes in Chinese movies…

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    @ Haha:

    I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Suffice to say, I agree that there are incorrigible trolls on the internet and I’ve wasted plenty of my time sparring with them at places like GVO.

    Personally, I’m of the opinion that this is very squarely a fictitious comedy movie and any attempt to take it seriously or historically accurate is downright silly. Therefore, I’m wholly reassured to see any comments from Chinese netizens echoing that sentiment. If chinaSMACK or Fauna is biased towards the selection and translation of thousands of comments to pick out those that would reduce the unnecessary misunderstanding, chest-thumping, and needless bickering between the two “sides,” I have to admit I’m somewhat glad for it. As it is, the media and internet are full of instigation and the ensuing hatred.

    If there’s anything China and the Chinese need is better PR to show the world that Chinese people can indeed laugh at themselves and are not all a bunch of insecure whiny brats. Just like fcuk da lu ren, we have to acknowledge that the fenqing and anti-Westerners in China also are disproportionately vocal. It’s nice to be reminded that there are “others.” We’re reminded because Fauna takes the time and effort to translate the comments she did, showing us that not all Chinese are “insecure” or “brainwashed” against foreigners. Really, both sides often take themselves way too seriously.

    Now, if you feel the arguments over Mummy 3 are so critically important to greater mutual understanding and cooperation between the Chinese and the Americans, I really think you should translate them and post them up, ideally here so both sides are adequately represented to your liking. I say this with all due respect so please don’t misunderstand me as being critical of you and your complaint. I simply think it would be a far more constructive and contributory move than accusing her of “accommodating” her “trollish readers.” Wouldn’t you agree? That’s what the comments are for, right? To contribute to the discussion?

    Finally, comparing Mummy 3′s portrayal of Qin Shi Huang as a fantastical, element-wielding, shape-shifting, supernatural tyrant that wants to enslave the world to any possible movie trying to take a comedic spin about 9/11 is stretching it, don’t you think?

    Come on, man…

  • Andrew

    As an American, I feel like that forum discussion could easily happen on an American board like youtube. I see some stupidly patriotic people, but I also see many rational individuals telling them to quiet down.

    I feel like I’m looking in a mirror here.

  • Veer Left

    “(Exhibit A: Veer Left’s 1st comment. By the way, you showed me the true meaning of “nothing is impossible.” I thought it was impossible for people to actually be so cocky and condescending.) Also a disclaimer: I am not saying all Americans are that way.”-Haha

    Condescend? Moi? Where?
    BTW. Just because I’m not screaming for Yankee blood doesn’t mean I am an American.

  • Henry

    This movie has to be viewed in context. If there were a bunch of other movies made in which the hero is Asian and the villain is White, then people wouldn’t be so upset about this movie. But time after time, in Hollywood movies the White guy is the hero and the Asian or Arab guy is the villain. And there’s always some Asian chick who falls for the White guy while running from the evil Asian men. It’s irritating.

    @fcuk dalu ren. Being a white-looking half Chinese guy who lived in China for a year, I can sympathize with what you’re saying. However, racism towards Chinese exists in equal measure or more from the western world, though usually in less obvious ways. Also, Chinese mainlanders will act really proud in front of westerners, but oftentimes they privately have an inferiority complex. The way to tackle this is to get beyond the concept of race entirely. Race is a social construction. We are all human and have equal capacity for intelligence. To paraphrase the Vietnamese Zen monk Thich Nhat Hanh, you can spend your whole life railing against racism. However, it is much better to cultivate knowledge of who you are, to understand the ground of your being so that you aren’t as bothered by what other people think, and you can walk in full confidence of who you are. Part of this is accepting that people will not understand you until after getting to know you for a long time, and even then they may not totally understand who you are. That’s why it’s vital that you be certain of who you are. One way to do this is meditation, because it helps us realize the emptiness of thoughts.

    That being said, although I love Chinese culture and am ethnically half-Chinese, I’m not sure if I will ever live in mainland China, simply because it’s so hard to get past peoples’ stereotypes about “foreigners.” I don’t blame them, but I know that it would make me irritated if I lived there for a long time.

    • Fike2308

      “And there’s always some Asian chick who falls for the White guy while running from the evil Asian men.”

      To me this sounds like art imitating life.

      How many White dudes in America have Asian gfs compared to the number of Asian dudes dating white women (in any country) ?

      I hope that doesn’t racist because I’m just calling it as I see it.

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    Holy shit, who would have thought that Mummy 3 would necessitate the wisdom of monks like Thich Nhat Hanh…

  • bossman

    i thinking in most movies Jet Li usually scores white chicks… but he is a cool bro. Most Chinese guys aren’t, unfortunately for them, if they just chilled they could be, looks have nothing to do with pulling babes, but like everyone in China, they all just be too uptight.

    Your food good, your bitches a little uppity but fine little skinny cuties, music sucks dat be sure, ping pong is alright… stop moaning on all the time

    Relax yellowman, you culture be fine, you just not be chill. Too busy counting that dollar money … greedyman! Stop thinkin blue BMW, start thinkin how to put it all together

  • http://www.kolalo.com/hotels/china/ Wenwen

    i’ve heard that movie was totally a failure to Jet Lee, if that’s true, i feel sorry for him once again, last time it was because of ‘the forbidden kingdom’.

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    Oh dear God, the Forbidden Kingdom…

    *shudders and curls up into a ball*

  • Jis

    that s just so silly talking this!so much noise for nothing.An action movie talking about mummies insults China?So what about all those spaghetti-mafia movies about italians?Or those racist remarks about indian I saw in some chinese movies?
    Jet Li is a intelligent martial artist that should make chinese people being proud to be chinese,expeccialy for how he looks at the Dalai Lama.

  • http://popupchinese.com trevelyan

    Saw this on the big screen in Hong Kong and had a lot of fun. The laughs were split between the action and the Australian kid’s Chinese. Not a great movie, but taking offense…?

  • http://rense.com Listen Up, people from China

    Commie Chinese dogs are too patriotic for their own good. Their collective National Education worked too well.

    Patriotism is a very terrible mental illness. Symptoms include putting too much emotion and meaning to a piece of cloth (flag). Tone it down.

  • Anonymous

    [Patriotism is a very terrible mental illness. Symptoms include putting too much emotion and meaning to a piece of cloth (flag). Tone it down.]

    Good advice for those annoying American nationalists who go crazy with “USA!USA!USA is NUMBER 1!!!”

    • Fike2308

      I agree.

      I’m American and it sincerely irritates me to see Americans act that way…too much patriotism is bad in any country.

      In recent years I think I’ve felt patriotic around these 3 moments:

      1.) 9/11

      2.) America winning GOLD in men’s basketball in the 2008 Olympics (the only event I cared about)

      3.) The election of President Obama

      The rest of the time I try to have my own individual identity that isn’t based on my (default) nationality.

  • Gaz

    Geez man, some people need to relax… its a movie, get over it. Every f*king chinese made movie i’ve ever seen puts foreigners in a bad light and makes them look evil, not to mention the daily news.

    • Fike2308

      Yeah, but only Chinese people watch Chinese movies so obviously no one is going to complain…..that and most people probably wouldn’t care….

  • John

    “the premise of the movie reflects the stereotypes and negative sentiments of the western world toward a rising china:

    evil HAN emperor resurrects to take over the world and a brave white American must stop the ‘yellow peril.’

    I’m surprised the chinese government doesn’t recognize this and OKed it for domestic showing.”

    Thats exactly why they DID let it through, its stirs up patriotism in China. And it worked.

  • Rushnikus

    “Seriously I watched a documentary on the cultural revolution last night and the only difference between then and now is instead of screaming “Mao Zhu Xi Wan Sui” they are screaming “Zhong Guo Jia You” same same”

    Exactly. The cultural revolution never stopped, its still going, just using a different method, but Chinese people obviously don’t care, they don’t learn from mistakes they just repeat them. Seriously, I have given up caring about it, you cant say anything bad about China at all without being attacked, they would rather get all crazy and anti-foreign about a movie rather than fix their own problems. When China collapses and people lose jobs and houses as a result of this apathetic attitude to their own problems I’m gonna be laughing my ass off, stupid blind fools.

    Anyway, show me a single Chinese made movie that doesnt involve foreigners being evil, immoral, or just stupid. They don’t even need movies to tell them how bad we are, they are taught it in kindergarten, primary, high, and university.

    • An American

      The Promise featured a Japanese actor and a Korean actor in the roles of the two male protagonists.

      Seven Swords featured two Korean main/side characters.

  • Anonymous

    “…show me a single Chinese made movie that doesnt involve foreigners being evil, immoral, or just stupid. They don’t even need movies to tell them how bad we are, they are taught it in kindergarten, primary, high, and university.”

    the same can be said about Hollywood movies (Ming the Merciless, Fu Manchu, Long Duck Dong, Hop Sing, etc. etc.) that involve Asians being evil, immoral or just stupid. Whites are taught that they are the saviors of the world from backward natives.

    • Fike2308

      Recent Hollywood movies or Hollywood movies made during the Cold War and Red Scare(s) ?

  • mtm

    @Rushnikus

    As opposed to fanatical Missionaries spreading the Word of God, today we have jerks like you spreading the Word of Whities. Oh joy!

    past excuses for western imperialists who wage war against the world include:
    - Christiandom
    - Empire, Progress and the fruits of civilization
    - Democracy, freedom and human rights

    Face it, you may of changed your religion/ideology but you are still self-righteous sobs who will always conjure up some excuse however contrived when it’s convenient to wage war and murder innocents.

    future excuses (my conjecture only for you amusement)
    - Environmentalism: Death to the Defilers of Gaia!!!
    - Veganism : Death to the Meat-eaters!!!
    - Homosexuality: Pink Jihad! Death to Breeders!!!

  • http://www.cnreviews.com Kai

    Without downplaying the military, economic, and cultural imperialism of ‘the West,” I honestly don’t think Asians, much less the Chinese, can ever claim to never have fought to impose their own ideology on others.

  • mtm

    @Kai
    Yeah, but we don’t pretend we gonna napalm their villages for their own good. It takes serious gall (and brainwashing) to hand wave away 200 years of atrocities across the world, and then turning around pretending to be holier than thou and then invade some more countries all over again.

    Somehow, its always some Righteous Whities on the side of Good, and if they ain’t then some cheap empty words 300 years later ought to settle it.

    It’s the same script, same actors, just update Christianity to Democracy and we have the sequel.

  • http://www.iheartbeijing.com/blog iheartbeijing

    I saw the movie, it was a typically hollywoodified story (while they were using the Qin Shi Huang stories as a reference, they clearly called the Jet Li character something else).

    Not a great movie, but I feel like its just as insulting to foreigners as to chinese, so everyone should be happy :)

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