Red Dawn: China Invades America, Chinese Reactions

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The movie Red Dawn (1984) starring the young Patrick Swayze (RIP) and Charlie Sheen was perhaps one of the BEST MOVIE EVER MADE PERIOD more memorable movies of the 80′s. The prospect of a Soviet invasion of  Continental America had been a frightening scenario that played well into the collective psyche during the Cold War.

Fast-forward to 2009, instead of fearing nuclear holocaust or imminent military invasion, we are fearing the fallout of the worse economic recession since the 1920′s, not to mention owing a sizable chunk of our debt to the Chinese. So it is probably fitting that the new remake of Red Dawn (2010) due to be released in 2010 would exploit the public hysteria surrounding the possibilities of a Chinese economic takeover. Ironically in the original Red Dawn, the Chinese and the Americans were allied (probably as a result of the height of the Sino-American rapprochement at the time the movie was made).

Chinese netizens were generally both amused and bemused behind the idea of China invading America, with some expressing satisfaction toward such an endeavor, while others disliking the portrayal of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on the set.

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Comments on Sina:

不系之舟:

Maybe it is real, and not a movie.

泡泡跑了:

“Defeating you enemy,” “Helping you back on your feet,” “Repairing your economy.” This is just for propaganda purposes, right? Does the real red political power have such remedy?

我是谁:

What is the meaning of this? The plot of this movie is America imagining the Chinese as enemies, but in the end come out as the victor – ending in heroic scenes…faint…this is not right!

新浪网友:

I am waiting for this day to arrive…

luteng365:

The great China will one day become a world power…

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Comments on Tiexue:

cheungkay:

Does not look like the PLA [People's Liberation Army] at all.

dhd526:

Attack America, American devils are beginning to hate the rule of capitalism, Uncle Sam is stupid…

willduan:

30 years ago the French already made a movie called “Les chinois à Paris” [PLA invading Paris], those interested can go watch it.

minchuan:

The Americans have a lot of imagination…why do those propaganda posters have strong Soviet influences??? In China, we won’t be able to make a movie about America invading China right?

wujiawei210:

When does it come out? There is no hope for theatrical screening [censorship], wait for pirated version.

钢铁魏特曼:

China is beginning to replace the Soviet Union as the antagonists in American movies, Americans cannot rest unless they have an [imaginary] enemy.

倔强小牛:

Countries with freedom are great, they can make any movie as long as they have the imagination. Waiting for this to come out.

hanbing1110:

Making a movie in China about an American invasion is impossible, if people’s thoughts are this free, and this creative, then it will not be harmonious.

roy1998:

In the near future, we will fulfill this American imperialist’s dream.

财通:

Now they are turning toward China, this only illustrates that China is more powerful than before. In the past, the impression of Chinese people in American movies and TV were equivalent to poor people.

hunly:

Haha, this is really strange, I want to see how the Americans portray the PLA, looking forward to seeing this.

你们的团长:

Everybody who saw 2012, that PLA officer directing rescue was wearing a military police uniform, a traffic police officer’s ribbon, topped with a crooked cap, and a was fatty; As if local officials became PLA soldiers.

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  1. I surmise it will be a disaster if China really prevails.

    And I fear. This goes like the same problem of”bad money, good money”.

    Hence the seemingly laughable absurdity of the movie seems a merited apprehension.

  2. hope its as good as 1st one. hell,america always needs a war/enemy. only years US not at war was 1945-1950- when only we had the BOMB.see military-industrial-congressional- complex.

  3. Of course that won’t be happen, see among yourselves if there is any war goes by that is rich person who will jump ship first. Ppl in America won’t sit there wait you come to invade them. Firstly this is just an exercise which some idiot change the topic. These ppl really a scum don’t know locate things from time to time. Which countries will support you ? Do you have diplomatic allied or businesses around the globe. Perhaps your populations control problem just bangs by world economic crisis at same time.

  4. How about attack minor countries like India, Indonesia some poor countries. Well that is really brilliant idea, consumed large land, break whole economics chain, hence civil war. Then your country can be better. Civil war is the only key but which country will trigger it and matters of time.

  5. America is in need of someone to protect them from Arabia’s advances. We have a lot of green zones.(Color of Arabic terrorism). Arab rules by computer warfare and reslieving methods. I thought we were under Arabic control for half the Bush Administration. We’d be stupid not to accept all the Chinese help and weapons we can. America cannot go up against Arabia and continue to have a red scare.

  6. Oh man, I’m already cringing about what my old mainland Chinese friends are gonna say

  7. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass in America. Every window will hide a sniper or Molotov wielding partisan. The only thing a war between China and America will bring is a need for ONE BILLION short and shallow graves. With that said i think it is sad that Hollywood can not come up with anything new.
    Dutch
    M-F 5 pm Pacific time http://www.firstamendmentradio.com

  8. what it said a bunch of post up about china won’t do a movie like that…of course not the chinese cant shit without there ignorant government’s say so

  9. I do not think this will happen again. Unless we need a saviour.

  10. I don’t predict America entirely falling to China. I think they will only become an innocent savior.

  11. China will become a world power? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH IMPOSSIBLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  12. Bring it on, ching-chong chinamen. We think it is hilarious that some of you seem to think you would have a chance against us. We may owe you money, but we owed the japanese money and look what happened to their economy. You cannot beat us at our own capitalist game- your curency model is based on the British/American banking system. We invented modern capitalism and credit markets(which are admittedly evil), you are foolish to believe you can beat us economically, and on the battlefield we will destroy you. We can create earthquakes in your country (HAARP project), we have ten times the nuclear weapons and missiles that you do, and we have a genetically selective virus that we can unleash that will kill any human with mongoloid/asian genotypes (unfortunately that will kill some of our population as well, like some american indians). Besides, the Russians would join us- they hate you. It will be the final showdown between the Northern European whites and Asians. Whites once controlled all of Western China and Central Asia, we will again. Come try and take us on. We dare you.

    • lay it on thick don’t you? While surely US have advance weapons, They may also have secret weapons too (only make sense). They didn’t spend energy on asymmetric warfare, high intensity high tech short war doctrine for nothing.

  13. If the Chinese invaded and were able to conquer the American Armed Forces (BIG “if”), they would soon give it back due to the their inability to conquer the spirit and resolve of every American. This would be a war that would never end until the last American was dead.

    • I agree with Richard. Nearly every American would die, because if Allah invaded all the smart progressive Americans would move to China or Russia.

      • Actually, America could be in serious trouble. They don’t know English, let alone Russian. Just look at ChinaSmack as evidence. Also, China is overcrowded and may not accept all Americans if our government allowed mass migrations. Which it wouldn’t. They’d rather kill us all for the veil of capitalist greed for some semblance of freedom.

    • I’m not sure…I mean, the population of China is 10 TIMES the US population.

      China could easily occupy and police the entire country, just as Russia did with Germany…in fact Russia itself is a Police State.

      That being said, the US would have to lose it’s Financial and Military power before an invasion could be successful, because the Generals at NORAD would NOT hesitate to use:
      1. Nuclear Weapons
      2. Earthquake Generator
      3. Tidal Wave Generator
      4. Viral Warfare
      5. Self-Perpetuating Robotic Factories

      They’d clamp down on the world so tight blood would fill the oceans.

  14. Actually, in the original Red Dawn they didn’t win anything, they all die…everyone dies…

  15. I am a student of the world. Could someone from China Please explain what “Freedom” means to your countrymen and women?

  16. “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia”

    Yeah, we’re scared of you.

    I suspect it will become “petting the dragon”, similar to how Britain “petted the eagle”, or groomed the United States as the new up-and-comer, the United States will try to shape how China rises.

    Whether we succeed or not…

  17. as a american i feel compelled to leave a comment. this is not the imagination of every american, nor do we want this.. believe or not all my little Chinese friends, in the land of the giants we actually love Chinese people and china. we know that china is going to be the next world super power (when it comes to economy) even if military became stronger then ours, we still believe that Chinese/american relations will grow stronger and stronger over the years to come, this movies is a what if, only to feed our imagination of the what if factor, like 2012, we know thats not going to happen, but what if… PLA please dont listen to any of these retarded assholes that bad mouth china or tak about china as a threat.. Americans truly love the Chinese and look forward in growing humanity with all of you.

  18. I worked in Mozambique from 1974 to 1975. I left before my time. The day the Portuguese let go of Mozambique in 1974, the newspaper headlines did not proclaim new freedom and independence.

    Instead, the newspapers said, “America is the Enemy of the World”. It is the spin the communists have put out throughout the world. Even some Americans are now believing it.

    There is alot of hype and distortion of the news that is always anti-American. Our media is not truthful.

    Travelling through various countries, I began to see why these countries did not have what we had. They were very self-centered in the public place, ill-mannered, not open to learning, not making good use of their minds, not getting along with other people very well.

    China has spent a great deal of effort with their clicking cameras to copy everything we like and use in America. China is now successful because it copied America. It deliberately undervalues its goods in international trade.

    China wants to be number one in the world. I never had that indoctrinated into me as a child, or our children, that America is number one. It happened. Our work ethic…and time to pray.

    My girlfriend is from Japan. She said this over 20 years ago. Of course, the corruption of the far left and its control over our education system has caused so much destruction to the education and well being of our youth. She said that in Japan the children must study so hard. Then the Japanese observed our youth, not so chained to books, but learning and performing very well.

    Different mentality.

    China does not understand Christianity, particularly Catholicism…Christ’s kingdom is not of this world. Conversion is moral and good, but is interior. It does not allow the spirit of Christ to be active and free. If only China realized giving authentic Christianity its right to freedom of expression and autonomy, it would see the great blessing true Christianity could give China.

    I live on the West Coast in the USA. We have many Asians Americans here. I love many things about China and Asia in general.

    People do not realize it took a particular mentality of our people to make it America successful, in spite of bad people or policies the government has done.

    The American wealth can be deliberately destroyed, as we see our Far Left government is doing to bring in a new economy. But without freedom and persecution of religion, and deliberately corrupting the morals of our youth and children the secularists are doing, this new model they want–collectivism, no God…will not work.

    You can pour all the wealth from America into the poor countries of this world. But if the local people do not want to change, do not seek education, hate other people, and cannot even manage themselves– you see it on tv every day in various parts of the world, they will always be poor.

    America became successful mostly because of our governing, open to education, open to humanity, our belief in God. And yes, there have been wrongs our country has committed.

    Mutual forgiveness is needed.

    Our perception of the Chinese people is that they are very good. But it is some young in the military who want war and death and domination…pride.

  19. if china and US united it would be unstopable haha

  20. if china and US united it would be unstopable

  21. This whole scenario is fantasy land. I am not trying to bruise anyone’s fragile ego here, still in the best interest for an intelligent conversation, let me begin with my opinion. First of all, If the United States and the Peoples Republic of China ever went to war, economically it would be a huge lose lose for both. There is way too much money to be made by the powers that be from both nations. Second, for this invasion to take place China would need a complete blue water fleet, otherwise the troop barges filled to capacity would be sitting ducks, China would first have to handle Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philipenes, Australia, New Zealand and all the US bases in the region and that’s before confronting the worlds largest, most advanced and better financed Navy (more then the next 15 nations combined) The US Navy and Air Force would have a field day littering the ocean with Chinese solgiers. And that of course doesn’t change the fact that more then likely trident nuclear subs would unleash on Chinese cities!A military advantage would only be likely for China if there was a land war in East Asia, which more then likely the US would not do! The future belongs to US/China peaceful cooperation. there is much we can learn together! We must all learn and evolve from a barbaric past of a bloody world history! I also know it is in vogue to knock down the US at every turn, but understand this, We are NOT stupid, if we were then we would not have become the worlds most powerful, economic, political, and military power the world has ever seen and in record time. Many nations have an educational advantage from first grade to 12th, but we have in this nation 16 out of the 18 largest and finest universities in the world, there are many more Chinese students being educated in america then vice versa! If war ever did happen the first thing that the US government would do is freeze all Chinese holdings and assets in the United States, and this would cost the Chinese economy Billions over night, a huge economic down turn would ensue! So these are the facts, lets work together for a grand mutual future our nations and the worlds children deserve!

  22. For an 8 year old, Red Dawn was inspirational. It may have been the reason I joined a paramilitary organization — the boy scouts.

  23. What the hell does my psychatric assessment has to do with the incorrect portrayal of the PLAAF Paratroopers in this goddamn garbage movie? I didnt serve in the PLA, but this doesent mean that stupid americans doing a stupid movies about stupid americans fighting evil Chinese is all perfect, just because stupid americans made it.
    Anyway. I dont really think that If China would invade the US, they neither would send in the people’s militia, badly trained reservist nor even Category B regulars, If it’s this what you’re trying to say.

    Everytime China did anything beyond its borders, they’ve always send out their best soldiers and newest toys.
    Like that anti-piracy mission in the Gulf of Aden, where they send the DDG-171 Haikou, which is the newest Chinese Type-052C Luyang-Class Air-Defence Destroyer, equipped with Aegis-styled battle-management system and advanced phased-array radar,
    for hunting fucking Pirate boats.

    So please, either suck on a cock and die, or seriously inform yourself about the different operative doctrines of the Chinese Armed Forces. Start with a fucking basic observation-forum like sinodefense.com and china-defense.com, where people doing serious discussions about everything around the Chinese military.

    Oh. Sorry, I ‘m actually expecting something like intelligence here on HateSMACk.

    Nevermind. Disregard that, since I suck cocks.

  24. Well said!

    Now you are really just a stupid and severely uninformed ‘concerned netizen’ like worthless millions of other.

    An no. I cant be a threat to Chinese society, because I’m not in China in the moment. And no. I dont want to join those unprofessional faggots named Changguan, since I’ve had enough action in Afganistan.

    And why should I be mad? The only one mad here is you, who talks about something he doesent even have any understanding about. This is propably the very reason why democracy doesent work right; too many uninformed and uneducated plebs using their political power, based on their own limited knowledge on the matters of the world. All power in the hand of an collective idiocy.

  25. Actually it wasnt a camel that I wanted to molest, but corpses in a newly found massgrave. But my Captain didnt let me ;_;

    Joke aside.

    I think you are the one who should go to bed. No real arguments to be found in any of your posts.

    Dont cry mmkay?

  26. Don’t worry KT, it’s quite obvious that HJ is a military hardware buff that gives no value to the software i.e. people. You can outfit a peasant as well as you like, but if you don’t feed, train, and pay him well enough to look death in the eye for you, all that equipment isn’t going to do much good.

  27. @ king tubby

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

  28. LOL, boy scouts are fierce!

  29. Jones, you mean eating in a German Bockwurst-Stand doesent count as service ‘in Middle Easern lands’.

    Also Afghanistan IS NOT a middle eastern country. It’s a near-eastern/west-asian country populated with Pashtuns and Aryans (Persians). I dont know what retarded jounalist or thinktank decided that Afghanistan is a fucking middle-eastern country, populated by Arabs.
    It seems that some americans are truly as geographical inept as in the widely spread prejudice.

  30. Yeah.. if we went by the experts of geopolitics who make ridiculous xenophobic action movies…

    1. The IRA would have toppled the UK
    2. A giant Middle East Arab/Muslim coalition would dominate the world
    3. Japan would own America, and the moon too
    4. Cuban cigars would much more readily available in the US

  31. The shittiest thing is, Americans are stupid and paranoid as fuck again.

    China will never be on the offensive, since all their strategy and all their aquired weaponry are solely fit for a defensive warfighting.
    China hasnt a good enough Airlift capacity to transport more than ONE regiment (~2000) of paratroopers + equiptment anywhere at one time.
    China hasnt got an viable amphibious assault capability, like LPD’s and Aircraft-Carriers to mount any attack beyond Taiwan.

    So in case of an Sino-US War, it would be the US to play the evil aggressor again, bombing democracy into the Chinese.
    China itself is currenty following an so-called ‘Anti-Access’-Strategy, combined with the ‘Assassins-Mace’ combat doctrine. Which means, that in case of a War, China will construct a 1500 nautic miles ‘death-zone’ from their coast with dozens of anti-ship cruise-missile armed stealthy Type-022 Houbei-class Fast Attack Crafts, Hundreds of Naval Bombers armed with supersonic anti-ship missiles, lots of Recon-Drones, dozens of Diesel-Electric Submarines and not to forget DF-21C Active-Radar-Guided Anti-Ship Ballistic Missles, which are designed as a kill-weapon against American Carriers.
    The PLA soldier wont face any american Marine in this war, since it will be mostly a Naval matter for the PLAN and the Second Artillery Corps to do.

    As for Japan and SK, since they are in the 1500nm death-zone, all american bases and all Japanese/SK assets will be attacked by Chinese/north-korean ballistic missiles and artillery, practically rendering these two countries useless for the americans to launch any air or sea campaigns on China.

    And this is how the strategy looks today. In a few years, China will have its first aircraft-carrier battle group and a much larger and modern bule-water fleet, with destroyers and cruisers armed with these Anti-Ship Ballistic missiles to expand the 1500nm death-zone on a mobile platform.

    So after all, it’s not guaranteed that the Chinese would win in a Sino-US war, but they will be able to let any attacker bleed badly for their attempts. And as we all know, humanistic democracies are hating nothing more than dead Timmy’s and Johnny’s, who wont come back to momma anymore.
    So China’s political strategy will be to kill as many Americans as possible, so that the US will end this war on their own.
    Democracies are weak after all.

  32. Before you went there, did you have ANY clue about Afghanistan? Just curious. Some people choose to know about places before their commanders and enemies force them to.

  33. Obviously you got brainwashed by your government’s propaganda

  34. Hongjian,

    “And this is how the strategy looks today. In a few years, China will have its first aircraft-carrier battle group and a much larger and modern bule-water fleet, with destroyers and cruisers armed with these Anti-Ship Ballistic missiles to expand the 1500nm death-zone on a mobile platform.”

    When we that few years be? I recalled the CCP were boasting about having an aircraft carrier for a decade already. Now even Indonesia is planning one, and all CCP have is a immobile land “aircraft carrier”.

    Dun count of North Koreans, they aren’t to be trusted. They are alrdy secretly making treaties with Americans themselves and their army is quite an antique.

    And South Korea and Japan are actually much stronger then they look (the American defense system also protects them from “space”). It will not be surprising that they themselves can hold up against China alone without U.S’s help.

    That being said, I doubt you are brainwashed. You are just an Chinese ultra-nationalist staying in Germany for w/e reasons. We have alot of people like you in Canada and Hong Kong; complain how shitty the place is and yet for w/e reasons decide not to return to China for the greater good. sobb…I applaud your sacrifice.

  35. Oh wow- Having read many of your comments- I couldn’t help but involve myself in the enlightenment process to correct your arrogance.

    Your entire argument is completely baseless and irrelevant.

    I dont give 2 shits for all of your techno-mumbo-jumbo<< The simple fact is that if War ever became the solution to the problems facing USA-China it would be the end of planet earth. Its as simple as that. Dont bother listing this non-sense of weapon schematics and power projection- nukes would be used.

    I don't care if they have a million man army or a 100 million man army. Atomic Weapons have forever changed the face of war. No one wins.

    Just for enlightenment- No China does not have the capability for amphibious assault on Taiwan- it wont for another 15 years easily.

    Cool they have one aircraft carrier battlegroup (Russian carrier). Ill give 2 shits when they get 10-11.

    I honestly burst out laughing to your comment regarding insurgency warfare- and how somehow… china is superior? When your battle strategy is to throw a disproportionate amount of human meat-bags into the grinder, what victory have you really won? 1.2 million Chinese dead in Korean war- for what?

    Im glad "Anti-Americanism" is cool now- It allows morons like you to develop these classic stereotypes that only hurt YOU in the end. Keep up the non-sense, Christmas break is here- I need entertainment away from the food coma im about to have.

  36. You’re an idiot. Our subs (where are yours) will kill half a billion chinks in the first fifteen minutes. We’ll mop up the rest of you from the air and with bioweapons. You really have bought your government propaganda- China’s “ballistic missile capability” is nonexistent, as is china’s “ballistic missile shield” (laughable). We own the stratosphere, and, you don’t know it yet, but we have stuff in high and low earth orbit that will remove your paltry satellites on day one. What “high-tech” China has is decades behind ours. If America fights a REAL war- meaning a war to annihilation, like WW2, China has no chance. SOmeone said earlier about a Chink strategy of surrendering to overwhelm us resource-wise. In a REAL war, we will TAKE no prisoners. No need to . Remember that every war america has fought since WW2 were public relations stunts/attempts to protect economic interests. In a genuine WAR TO THE KNIFE AND THE KNIFE TO THE HILT with American Savages, your venerable and most ancient middle-earth will become a smoking crater and anyone with epicanthic folds/certain haplotypes will become extinct. You can try and fool yourself all you want. But you chinks should “Ah so, ah, droo not arake-a sreeping giant-a”. Your cousins learned that the hard way, didn’t they? We didn’t nuke Nam or Korea not because we were afraid of you or the Russkies, but because we were stupidly trying to win hearts and minds. If we REALLY go to WAR with china, we won’t set a single american boot on the ground and there will still be none of you left to bury the dead. Believe it. Also, remember the Russians are going to jump in on our side, because you racist fucks see it in racial terms, and that will galvanize us to get together with our racial kinsmen the Rus (with whom we’ve had a family squabble for far too long). You idiots are going to keep fucking around and believing your own propaganda and stick your laughably tiny little yellow dicks in the steel bear trap of red/blonde headed barbarian viking rage… and when we go to WAR (not play about), we take no prisoners culturally, physically, or psychologically. We just make you cease to exist and erase all memory of you, and don’t even bother to piss on your stinking corpses. You saw an example of that with the Germans and how they dealt with their chosen enemies (the “chosen” people indeed!) as misguided as that was, it is still what you can look forward to if you come fuck with the western barbarians. Your stupid wall didn’t work. You certainly have nothing to stop us now. …and BTW- the “mongols” weren’t slant eyed- and you chins know it (nice digs in Bactria!) and it drives you mad, to the point of trying to squash contemporary archaeological finds/work on the subject Funny how many blonde “chinese” I saw in Xinjiang and blue (tho slightly slanted) eyes I saw in Ulan Bator… …and half the military nonsense you rattled off above is inherently incorrect, even down to certain model numbers. You, sir, are a poseur. And I’ll eat a pile of a chinaman’s steaming rice-noodle poo if you were in the stan. I was, and I call you on it. Where were you stationed? I was ALL OVER in country, and I will make a fool out of you if you foolishly try to give a unit number and station and tour dates. I dare you. You won’t, cause you weren’t there.

  37. Elaborate.

    Which government? The German Bundesregierung or the Chinese communist government?

    And also: HURRR DURR I’M STIPID REDNECK CALLING OTHER PEOPLE BRAINWASHED BECAUSE I’M FREE.

    suck on a dick and die please.

  38. After spending seeing some things on the internet, I think that living like a Chinese city dweller might be a fate worse then death.

  39. cool story bro.

    good morning. did you sleep well?
    I hope you have informed yourself before you write anything about a matter you do not understand.

    k thx bye.

  40. Yes, their war against homosexuality has been valiant.

  41. Thats the point.

    China send out their newest Air-Defence Destroyer for two reasons:

    1. Face – shiny, western looking toys are always better than sending an old Luhu or a Russian Sovremenny. Compare the Chinese Warships in Aden with the Russian Task Force there, and you know why analysts say that the Russian Navy will be rusted away by 2015, and why Japan seeks the F-35 from America to counter the fast growing capability of the PLA-N.

    2. As you mentioned; Expierience. China is participating in this mission not to fight pirates (they can care less about them/just bribe them) but to train the crew and test the systems of their newest surface combattans. They arent sending “smaller and more effective vessels” like their old frigates and destroyers to Aden, but their newsest shit, because they know that their have the training priority, in case of a war in western pacific against the JMSDF or the USN.
    Nowadays after the DDG-171 returned from Aden, China has established a nice training routine in thi smatter; revolving several ships who are send out to train one after another.
    IIRC there are two smaller Type-054 frigates in patrol service now. Quite remarkable for a Nation that hasnt send warships outside their homewaters for 500 years since Ming-Dynasty.

    And generally. Combat expierience of the western countries comes through Invasions and Occupations of foreign, mostly far weaker, countries. I think this is nothing to be proud of. Americunts are Americunts because they think this shit is so cash. And thats why the world hates them.
    Against a real country that can actually shoot back, even the US would have their problems with. How can the USN send their F-35′s and F-18′s against ‘my buddies’ when the aircraft-carrier cannot even approach the chinese coast at 1500 nautic miles, without getting hit by either a torpedoe, cruise missile or an ASBM, striking from the skies with Mach-10? All Top-Gun training and combat expierience wont help you to survive, if you cannot even close to chinese territory. Same with Japan and South Korea. Both of these countries are technologically and numerical superior to the Chinese Navy, but under the Chinese Ballistic Missile shield, they cant do much.

    And never forget. All that matters to the Chinese are american cassaulties and their own media backlash. And lots of cassaulties will be had, when a aircraft-carrier burns and sinks down on the bottom of the ocean.

  42. Hongjian,

    You are a militaristic blow-hard. Even if you were in the military, when you get discharged, and go home, and chat in forums like this, you are still an arm chair general. Bragging about the technology of your country or talking trash about another’s is so fifth grade when you consider that you couldn’t even make a model airplane from scratch let alone some real piece of weaponry. You are just one of those people who has memorized the specs on abunch of equipment and knows how to shoot a few guns, but doesn’t know much else at all. There are a few others on here guilty of this same big gun complex as well so don’t feel you are too special.

  43. At least gaining face on the tienanmen-square in a parade is better than to invade Afghanistan and Iraq as a statement of how ‘badass’ the americunts are. Even though I participated in one of these invasions as well, I can honestly say that this shit was not worth the price.

    “What experience will the crew of an anti-air ship gain from pirate patrols?”

    Lots of expieriences. Mostly the operation of those ships in real-life situation for the crew, the training of the aircrew of those ship-borne helicopters and the patrol-routine in general including open sea maintenance and, not to forget, interaction with foreign ships and fleets.
    Not only China has send anti-air destroyers, but also the USN with their Arleigh-Burke-class DDG’s. Ask them why they didnt send out their old Oliver-Perry Frigate classes.
    The americunt military is even more pedantic about face-gaining it seems, when they arent currently invading other countries and heroically killing random brown people with remote-controlled drones.

    And mentioning shooting Tibetans and general oppression by the PLA (in reality not even by the PLA but the PAP – know the difference!), I believe that the Chinese armed forces, including the PAP, the People’s Armed Police, have more expierience in quelling an insurgency then the glorious US-military, since all they did, is just to add Hummers with more shit than they can carry, but still get blown up by a cell-phone controlled IED. But meh, whatever. At least they have expierience in being blown up.

    >>They can send the aircraft against “your buddies” by the very fact that there’s infantry and equipment station all around China (look at base locations) in addition to the Navy.

    like i said, these bases will the first to be engulfed in missile fire. And Chinese missiles arent soviet-era shit. Maybe you heard of the ASBM and ASAT-project? If not, read this.

    http://www.defensereview.com/chinese-anti-ship-ballistic-missile-asbm-kill-weapon-flummoxes-us-navy/

    And what the fuck is a MiG I?! Do you mean that WWII era MiG-1? Or the Chinese J-7MG (MiG-21 copy)? Yeah, the updated MiG21 is still flown in some regiments mostly in backwater regions. The regiments facing Taiwan, India and Japan are all fully equipped with modern 4th Generation fighter/bomber-planes like the J-10A, J-11/Su-27SK, JH-7A and Su-30MKK.
    Furthermore, even old ass soviet bombers like the H-6 from the 50′s are nowadays updated to carry long-range, stand-off cruise missiles to hit Japanese. Korean and US airbases, from the chinese soil/within the chinese controled airspace.

    go to this site to see what kind of aircrafts the PLAAF and PLAN operates:

    http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

    “Only care about American casualties? Hell, we’ll just para-drop millions of US, Canadian, Euro, and even Jap (gasp) visas onto China and the entire country will immediately defect for greener pastures…kind of like how you did, amirite?”

    This would be the best strategy ever. For the Chinese.
    I would like to see your countries to be flooded with Chinese immigrants, taking away your jobs AT HOME and spurting fengqing-shit on YOUR STREETS.
    Japan is especially delicious. Since they are arrogant, elitist xenophobes, I would like to see their reaction to millions of Chinese moving to Japan.

    There was a awesome PLA General who formulated a similiar tactic in case of War with the US. Basically he said that they would send hundreds of divisions to surrender to the americans. With so many POW’s to support, the US will face severe logistical problems. And then, the Chinese will strike. Even if the americans are holocaust’ing/abu-guraib’ing these POW’s
    by the thousands, they wont be finished before their own munitions run out. And Brobama would loose his delicious peace prize in that case.

    Flawless victory!

  44. The Varyag, or the ‘Shi-Lang’, will have its engine ignition test beginning next year. Nowadays when seeing images of the Dalian Dry-Docks, one cotices that the Island (Where the command-centre and the Radars are) is being radically restructured to fit in Chinese electronics and Sensor-systems.
    The deck-crew is propably being trained on full-scale mockups like the ‘concrete-carrier’ of Wuhan Univerity and elsewhere, while the aircrew are currently training with the brazilians, who are expierienced in carrier operation.
    The Chinese carrierborne fighter would be the Shenyang J-15, which resembles the russian Su-33 in operation and design.

    Source:
    various military forums, janes defense weekly and
    http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm (one of the most reliable sources on the chinese military)

    And also; I believe that I stated somewhere that I’m currently studying in Germany. I’m probably a foreign Fengqing (though not too young anymore) but one that want to return to China when finished, since everything just indicated that the western world is a sinking ship as it is now.

  45. Oops, above post was directed as you, not entirely to the Chairman Cunt.

    So much about the reality of the Chinese carrier project.

    Also: I’ve had it enough with this faggotry!

    ‘Not a government-mandated public security announcement’?! What the hell?

    Of course it is not. But this makes it even worser.

    You do know that the US is a Democracy, right?
    And you do know what ‘Democracy’ means? You know that in a Democracy, all power comes from the people, right?

    So what is worser? A communist government sancioned propaganda-piece, everybody knows that this is bull and is just laughing about it like crap?
    Or a piece that reflects the paranoia and racist hate of a democratic population, made for a democratic population ,made by said democratic population – who are holding all political power in the state/can actually influence the policy of said state/are mandating the states power?

    THIS is the most retarded intellectual fallacy EVER!
    I hate these people who are always excusing the worst things their country did with ‘Oh, but this was the government doing’ or ‘Oh, but this is private owned/initiated’. IN A FUCKING DEMOCRACY.

    The population in a democracy are the last one who should be allowed to wash their hand in innocence when their country or their people are doing crap, SINCE THEY HAVE THE FUCKING POLITICAL POWER IN THEIR COUNTRY! Population in dictatorships might excuse themselves, since they are forced at gunpoint to do something, but people in a working democracy?!

    I love how apologists are always shifting the guilt for gigantic fuckups on their government. But are these people too dense to notice that THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ARE PROVIDING THE FUCKING MANDATE FOR DEM EVUL GOBBERNMENT? Right. Thy are too dense.

    Continue washing hands in innocence, by electing new leaders and forgetting about past fuckups, as if they hasnt anything to do with THEM AS A POLITICALLY OMNIPOTENT CITIZEN in a democratic country.

    And yes. We know this in Douchebagland. We know this very well. We know this, since OUR ‘IMAGINATION’ was resulting in a nice little man with a funny beard to be elected into power in a free and fair election. After some six million jews being elimitaed with the active help of ‘imaginating’-citizens, because someone claimed that they drank all the juice, and after we getting assraped by MOTHER RUSSIA, noone could wash their hands in innocence anymore by shifting all guilt to them evul gobbernment and talking about ‘IMAGINATION’ (*bubbles and sparkles*).

  46. Hongjian,

    can you show me a link that tells me about this carrier “Shi-long” are talking about? (I am too lazy to look it, sorry) I really want my “CARRIER” though =].

    Btw, how old are you really? How long have you served in the Bundeswehr? (I only served 3.5 years in the reserves) You are a graduate of FüAkBw right? I suppose you are at least 35? (Dun worry, i am not trying to stalk you, i am just curious to know more about the FüAkBw =], since i always got this preceptions that the FüAkBw isn’t some place everyone can get into)

    PS: That is a nice site for Chinese military. I am not sure would I say one of the most reliable but it definitely got data to beck themselves up.

  47. I’m not a FüAk Graduate. I served there for some month as staff soldier, before I decided to go on the Unteroffizier-Laufbahn (NCO) for at least 4 years (I had better things to do with my Abitur, than to become a real full-fledged German officer, like studying something ‘useful’ on a regular college). But nonetheless, this meant at least 6 month Afganistan for me… Should have known it. But meh, was a pretty funny time there. So we shouldnt be so much apart from each other.
    The FüAk is a really nice place though. It’s not as strict as people thought it would be. All ‘top-secret’ stuff is completely open and there are loads of foreign officers in the LGAI-department (International General-Staff Department). Even a bunch of PLA officers. The people are nice and you only have to salute officers above the rank of a colonel, and after a while one would forget that this is a military academy at all.

    So it’s all right.

  48. http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/varyag.asp

    An old (2008) article about the Varyag/Shi-Lang carrier.

    Chinese military obsevation is a highly amusing thing, exactly because it’s made of 90% speculation, 9% Fanboy-trash and 1% real genuine leaks, by either enthusiast who had the balls to photograph PLA hardware, or intentionally by the PLA themself.
    So there are absolutely no ‘firm facts’ about the Chinese military in general, safe from all those mentioned intelligence above. It’s not like in the west, where the military and their hardware contractors are alwas promoting their stuff openly.

    This site in the previous post is practically the most reliable one, because the admin is gathering information from every possible source. Chinese military observation mainly lives by the internet forums like sino-defence.com, china-defense.com, fys.cn etc, fueled by said leaks and enthusiasts.

    There are only few official sources and intel, which are as reliable and ‘closer-to-truth’ than those ‘unofficial’ ones.

    For Interrest: One of the few western scholars on the chinese military, Dennis J. Blasko, holds an auditorium
    at Whittier College. Very Informative for anyone who wants to understand the intention and structure of the chinese defense policy. (3 parts)

  49. Anyone, who after all the stories and photos showing that the Wuhan carrier building is just a building that looks like a carrier, in the vein of a dinosaur shaped donut shop, still thinks that is for training, is an utter moron. Hongjian… that means YOU!

  50. Mike Fish, please take a fish and proceed to pleasure yourself with it, will you?

    The Wuhan ‘concrete’-carrier is not to train the Aircrew to land their J-15′s (the surface wont hold the weight and material stress of a real plane landing), as mentioned, but the deckcrew in carrier service and operation (refueling, maintenance, system-operation etc).

    How about seriously informing yourself on that matter instead of shouting tabloid-level retardness here?

  51. Seriously informing myself on the matter? I’ve attended Wuhan University, recently, and am familiar with all of the education instuitutions in Wuhan, including the ones that could be connected to the military. First, which department of Wuhan University does that carrier building belong to? Which campus is it attached to? If you mispoke, misquoted, or just made a mistake, then which military institute in Wuhan does that carrier building belong to? Since you are an expert of flight decks and stuff, what part of any of that could look like it could be used for actualy training of any sort? Maybe they are teaching classes in that building, but they could do that in any building and it wouldn’t have to be shaped, and shaped only, like an aircraft carrier, would it? If there is nothing functional about it, then what’s the point? What is concrete isn’t that fake flight deck, those are composite roofing tiles, is that you are a an idiot compensating for his tiny gun by talking shit about big guns.

  52. Mister Fish, please note that your questions here are probably the same question of fucking everyone interested in the chinese Carrier development. Sadly, or luckily, the Military does not care about transparency, as western counterparts would.

    So, then please tell me, what do you think a concrete carrier, shaped exactly like the Varyag in Dalian-Dock, would be used, if not to train the deck-crew in carrier operation?

    As “Varyag World”, the Amusement park for the whole family? Or as private playground for a bored official, for whatever reason? Make an ‘educated’ guess.

    Or just inform yourself on that matter.

  53. Hongjian,

    A donut shop shaped like a dinosaur wouldn’t be for learning to ride dinosaurs in a rodeo, would it? You are now admitting NOBODY knows what the thing is being used for and that there is no clear info anywhere about it. Yet, you consistently flaunt your imaginary expertise, your certainty it is being use for what you say, and nothing else. On the web, people who have been in the building, say it’s just office space, but you know better.

  54. Whats that about your donut and dinosaurs shit?

    I know that americunts are obese and have an hideous fixation upon their favorite calorine-providers, but this doesent mean that you should drag innocent dinosaurs into this ugly equation…

    And can you provide links and sources of your claim that this is just an ordinary office building, by the ‘people who visited this place’. after they broke the strict police cordon?

    One of my sauces is this thread on sino-defence.com, where enthusiasts and observers are gathering all bits of information about the Varyag and the ‘concrete carrier’ mockup in Wuhan. And there is no indication backing your claim.

    http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/latest-plan-aircraft-carrier-info-photos-105-4714.html

    go back eating donuts and fish.

  55. Instead of just random chatter by any old idiot, how about an actual news story or article actually connected with China and people who know about the Chinese military. This recent news article from military.china.com:
    http://military.china.com/zh_cn/important/11052771/20091118/15705133.html

    Headline clearly states that it’s purpose is as an office building. If you think that the Chinese government wouldn’t give away their secrets and tell the whole world that they built a naval training center there, then why’d they build it there at all? They could easily have built it in a remote place rather than in the suburbs of one of China’s biggest cities in full viw of on-lookers and gawkers. This article and others like it are far more reliable and trustworthy than a bunch of military geek rumors in some forum. Besides, all of this just proves my point. All you can do is spout military geekery and scream Americunt at anyone who disagrees with you, even when you have no idea where they are from, yet you always miss the real questions or criticism.

  56. This article has been proved as an attempt of the PLA, or any organisation thats stands behind this contruction project, to spread false information in an intentional ‘leak’. Such practice isnt something new and has been discussed over and over. I laught how few you know about China and it’s military doctrines in both real operation and propaganda/PR-work.
    The fact that their are reports of civilian observers, or ‘military geeks’ as you say, where caught by the security forces and their cameras taken away/been forced to delete the memory-card, shortly after this official ‘leak’ surfaced in the internet, supports the lasting rumors that this building isnt some ordinary one. How could it? Who the fuck wants to have an office building in a giant carrier mockup?!

    The newest images show that a ‘Top-Plate’ Fregat-MAE 3D Air/Surface Search-Radar has been installed on the top-mast of that Island, and that the surfaces of the Island walls has been prepared to install Phased Array-styled Long-Range Radar surfaces. Probably they are mockups.

    Dunno who the hell wants to spend money on a carrier mockup, fully equipped with radar-systems and skijumps.

  57. These days, nothings just a movie or without an agenda, being manipulative, no matter how subtle or to whatever ends will be bound to raise objections from people who value their free will. How about taking at look at the home situation first instead?

  58. Cry more.

    You didnt provide one single viable argument in your rant, who hadnt been disproved by me in one of my posts.

    Attempt failed, try again.

  59. ROFL what is this monkey talking about. even Americans say only 400,000 Chinese soldiers killed in action.

    this is taking into account Chinese sent many times more than both North Korean and Russian troops.

    only you clowns would pretend your longest retreat in history was not because of Chinese.

    even in proxys, you lose. like in vietnam. dont be too arrogant and Chinese wont either. no Chinese cares about invading monkey countries. only Taiwan is worth our acquisition.

    as if Chinese want to control that trash bin known as America

  60. LOL! Oh the ignorance just pours out of you. One Viable argument?

    Its called nuke warfare. It makes all of your points irrelevant. Its as simple as that. None of the nice shiny toys or ideology matters when everyone will receive 3rd degree burns 60 miles or more away from epicenter. Which there are multiple epicenters.

    Enjoy talking out your ass though.

  61. Ignorance and arrogance is due when encountered with stupid people like you.

    Nuclear warfare is impossible since both countries are able to destroy each other in an all-out war.
    Also it’s nowadays highly unlikely. America only fears China’s rise and wants to contain and disturb it, by inciting destabilizing incidents which can lead to an uprising and civil war in China, not to trade their own nuclear destruction with China’s nuclear destruction, you fool. This isnt the cold-war anymore. No more, ‘We or them’ type of scenarios.

    What I’m talking about is the limited, high-intensity warfare the US would employ against China. Such as to cut off Chinese supplies at sea and support Taiwan or other proxy-states to damage China.
    China in return, will try to keep the American means of power projection at its bay, by employing missiles and politics. There wont be any nuclear warfare in such a conflict between the US and China.

    seriously inform yourself on that matter.

  62. Ummmmmm, your ENTIRE “democracy” rant is completely and comically wrong. Stop accusing every single fucking person who so much as utters a word here as an “americunt” who isn’t “informed”. YOU are not informed. America is NOT A DEMOCRACY YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT. FOR SOMEONE WHO IS “MORE INFORMED” THAN EVERYONE ELSE, TO NOT KNOW THIS SIMPLE FACT IS PATHETIC. The US is a Constitutional Republic…a REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY. Look it up, it’ll probably be quite a foreign word/concept to a chinese peasant-pawn who has only the power to choose which fucking part of the rice-paddy he wants to harvest. China has become the hip new fad today….. they’ll follow right in the footsteps of Russia and Japan. A hyped up “enemy” who is slowly and methodically out-innovated by American ingenuity and fizzles out like a cheap chinese firecracker. Since China is ruled by communist party elite, all it takes is one fuck up to screw you guys back to the days of the great wall.
    America would win a war against China because we have EUROPE, JAPAN, NORTH AMERICA, INDIA all at our side. You’re slitty eyes wouldn’t even see us fucking coming.

  63. hurr? durrr.

    herp herp.

    tl;dr.

  64. Surely have heard of 094? Ranting on Information that is out of date?

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