Red Dawn: China Invades America, Chinese Reactions

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The movie Red Dawn (1984) starring the young Patrick Swayze (RIP) and Charlie Sheen was perhaps one of the BEST MOVIE EVER MADE PERIOD more memorable movies of the 80′s. The prospect of a Soviet invasion of  Continental America had been a frightening scenario that played well into the collective psyche during the Cold War.

Fast-forward to 2009, instead of fearing nuclear holocaust or imminent military invasion, we are fearing the fallout of the worse economic recession since the 1920′s, not to mention owing a sizable chunk of our debt to the Chinese. So it is probably fitting that the new remake of Red Dawn (2010) due to be released in 2010 would exploit the public hysteria surrounding the possibilities of a Chinese economic takeover. Ironically in the original Red Dawn, the Chinese and the Americans were allied (probably as a result of the height of the Sino-American rapprochement at the time the movie was made).

Chinese netizens were generally both amused and bemused behind the idea of China invading America, with some expressing satisfaction toward such an endeavor, while others disliking the portrayal of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on the set.

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Comments on Sina:

不系之舟:

Maybe it is real, and not a movie.

泡泡跑了:

“Defeating you enemy,” “Helping you back on your feet,” “Repairing your economy.” This is just for propaganda purposes, right? Does the real red political power have such remedy?

我是谁:

What is the meaning of this? The plot of this movie is America imagining the Chinese as enemies, but in the end come out as the victor – ending in heroic scenes…faint…this is not right!

新浪网友:

I am waiting for this day to arrive…

luteng365:

The great China will one day become a world power…

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Comments on Tiexue:

cheungkay:

Does not look like the PLA [People's Liberation Army] at all.

dhd526:

Attack America, American devils are beginning to hate the rule of capitalism, Uncle Sam is stupid…

willduan:

30 years ago the French already made a movie called “Les chinois à Paris” [PLA invading Paris], those interested can go watch it.

minchuan:

The Americans have a lot of imagination…why do those propaganda posters have strong Soviet influences??? In China, we won’t be able to make a movie about America invading China right?

wujiawei210:

When does it come out? There is no hope for theatrical screening [censorship], wait for pirated version.

钢铁魏特曼:

China is beginning to replace the Soviet Union as the antagonists in American movies, Americans cannot rest unless they have an [imaginary] enemy.

倔强小牛:

Countries with freedom are great, they can make any movie as long as they have the imagination. Waiting for this to come out.

hanbing1110:

Making a movie in China about an American invasion is impossible, if people’s thoughts are this free, and this creative, then it will not be harmonious.

roy1998:

In the near future, we will fulfill this American imperialist’s dream.

财通:

Now they are turning toward China, this only illustrates that China is more powerful than before. In the past, the impression of Chinese people in American movies and TV were equivalent to poor people.

hunly:

Haha, this is really strange, I want to see how the Americans portray the PLA, looking forward to seeing this.

你们的团长:

Everybody who saw 2012, that PLA officer directing rescue was wearing a military police uniform, a traffic police officer’s ribbon, topped with a crooked cap, and a was fatty; As if local officials became PLA soldiers.

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187 Comments

  1. Holy snikees sofa

  2. It’s a movie.
    Now the Chinese can join the fine company of Russians, British, Muslims and Germans as being the Americans arch-nemesis in popular culture.
    Why so serious?

  3. Now now, everybody: don’t argue, and don’t make any forced generalizations. I’m sure that for once we can have civilized comments in Chinasmack.

    That said: Wolverines!

  4. This is going to do great things for people-to-people relations, I can see. Rednecks and Red Guards, start your engines.

  5. Even though the idea makes me uncomfortable, the propaganda slogans ring true.

  6. from wikipedia:

    “The tone is going to be very intense, very much keeping in mind the post-9/11 world that we’re in. As ‘Red Dawn’ scared the heck out of people in 1984, we feel that the world is kind of already filled with a lot of paranoia and unease, so why not scare the hell out of people again?”
    —Carl Ellsworth, screenwriter

    Yes, lies are always the scariest.

    Also, one Asian ethnic group is substituting for another (hottie Will Yun Lee is Korean). I mean, who can tell the difference?

  7. This is just strange, I LOL’d at the posters, images of strong arms and hammers have not been in China since the cultural revolution and have a funny retro feeling to them. I think people are smart enough to recognize that it’s just entertainment.

    p.s. inb4 bitchings about Chinese currency :)

    • The posters were pretty hilarious and the quote from Ellsworth above explains pretty well why this film was made. However, the assumption that the audience for this film is intelligent enough to recognize this as just entertainment may be a bit optimistic.

      There are a lot of Americans (not all, but enough) who really are afraid of and don’t understand China at all. Their ignorance and fear are ripe for exploitation.

    • Yeah it’s almost as subtle and realistic as Command & Conquer.

    • As long as there are some hot PLA babes there. It’ll make the the film all the more worthy of seeing!

  8. China would love this to be true.
    And, if it did, they would all have been conditioned to believe that THAT is what they ALWAYS wanted. Just like now. OF COURSE CAPITALISM is where we were always headed.

  9. The PLA – hahahahahahahahahahaha. I can’t stop laughing.

    First – what a stupid premise for a movie.

    Second – The PLA hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Pussies.

    • Well the PLA kicked US ass as early as in the 1950s when they were really damn poor devils. The USA, on contrary, don’t manage to successfully conquer anything above the size of Grenada.

      Rather I ask myself why the heck the Chinese should conquer the USA? Forcing the USA to buy Chinese products? Did they possibly already conquer the USA and we all aren’t aware?

      • Right- I hope your not referring to the Korean war in which the Chinese were not technically involved- to which the Chinese lost over 1 million soldiers. This is compared with the 38,000 lost by US alone.

        1 MILLION. You seem to have the Soviet Approach to “Kicking Ass” which means throwing a bunch of human meat shields into a meat grinder- and hope for the best.

        South Korea is the 14th largest economy with 48 million. That didn’t happen by itself.

        • Dont write shit you do not understand right.

          First, learn about how the Chinese PVA in Korean War fought, which tactics and strategies they used and how much they really lost, then come back and get your ass whooped by me.

          Alternatively, shut the fuck up.

          for phase one, try these links:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Volunteer_Army
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Unsan

          Oh sorry, I was again expecting intelligence here…

          nevermind.

          • Hongjian,

            Wikipedia is not a really good source, can you provide some peer-reviewed journal please?
            (Btw, you English is really good for a someone being in germany =], I congratulate you.)

          • Thanks,

            these data here about the tactics and strategies of the PVA are backed by other sources. On the other hand, the PVA’s Light Infantry tactics are widely taught in any infantry school and military academy, as examples of how a technologically inferior enemy can use the terrain and their own ‘lightness’ to fight a heavily mechanized opponent.
            Before my deployment I served some months in the Führungsakademie (General-staff Academy) of the Bundeswehr. The libraries there where full of books analysing the Chinese PVA in Korean War and their said tactics of stealth and night fighitng.
            And this isnt something to wonder about, since the PVA or the PLA are originally a crack guerrilla force, who fought both the Japanese and the KMT’s NRA, who where both heavy infantry/mechanized armies, with no more than rifles, grenades and clever tactics.
            The US forces in Korean-War practically faced a veteran light-infantry/guerrilla force, who where masters of camoflage, stealth and night fighting.
            But after all, they lacked armoured support, air support, transports, heavy artillery (beside small mortars) and even proper winter clothing and good shoes. So against US Napalm Bombs, Tanks, Planes and shipborne artillery, of course it was inevitable that they suffered horrific cassaulties.
            In the end, they still managed to destroy several american armies’ and forced them into their longest retreat in history.

          • Hongjian,

            Do you know that not every sources are credible. The sources that backed these data are pretty bad (some links aint even working and the rest is Chinese sources). Last time i remember, the Western Allies and China have a totally diff view on this matter. 0_-

            I prob should not challenge a “Staff Officer” that have studied in the prestigious FüAkBw (I was only a corporal in the Canadian Reserves). But last time I remember the Viets under Vo Nyun Giap is much better known than the PLA for their light infantries/ guerrilla tactics in the Western Academics (I think you know what did very same army did to the PLA in the short sino-vietnamnese war).

            And are you really sure that the US faced a relatively veteran light infantry/guerrilla force in Korea? I believed the buck of the PVA are NRA deflects that are highly unmotivated about the war (I would not questioned the PVA brilliant leadership in keeping these mens in line during the war though).

            Plus, I honestly would not call the KMT’s NRA (which included CRA for a time) as a “heavy infantry/mechanized armies”. The bulk of it (excluding the central army) are peasants, bandits or soldiers loyal to local warlords. (even up till 1949)

            Are you still in the Bundeswehr or FüAkBw? You know being a graduate from FüAkBw, if you go back to China and join the PLA, you will prob be appointed to high positions.

        • It hurts, doesn’t it? In fact, 中国人民志愿军 lost about 150,000 fatalities, among them roughly 110,000 KIA. US air superiority given this does not spell meat wave. In fact, Chinese soldiers were well led and well motivated, and despite their technical inferiority they made US soldiers squirm and run.

          Always when folks like US, Germans or whoever lose wars against “inferior races” they are whining about the “hordes”. That is so ridiculous. Not only inept but bad losers, additionally.

  10. LOL!!! So retro. It’s been ages since you’d see those things in China proper, much less in the US…

  11. Also – The poster about repairing your economy. So true.

  12. LOL! Run! Run away! Run for your lives! Now just have this movie do a cross over with 2012 and watch China Smack go super nova.

  13. Hummer is now Chinese….isn’t it???

    While I doubt ‘open conflict’ would likely occur, it is possible that ‘economic re-balancing’ through acquisition of ‘American’ assets could easily occur and therefore a change in policy toward other nations either as ‘trading partners’ or ‘trading raiders’ is a possible scenario. Both tactics are being employed now with ‘beneficial trading agreements’ and ‘anti-dumping’ used as tools.

    Looking at the ‘re-balancing’ that is occuring in many American industries (death of the American Ginseng exports to China for example, off-shoring of manufacturing) and the subtle moves by Chinese Industries to sure-up greater shares of world supply of raw materials, value-added ancillary industries and demand for higher-technology information/products, the scenarios in the film, while not necessarily played out physically, may already be underway!

    If not, it makes a good movie!!!

  14. Ha! The sillies don’t realize that this movie is just a small part in preparing the US (Western) public for a serious confrontation with China.

    A US war with China is inevitable. It’s a simple matter of geopolitics.

  15. wrong rifle though, didn’t they play battlefield 2?
    it’s not like these things are hard to get here.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_BZQFN9AJ4

  16. Haha, I find the comment “Does not look like the PLA at all.” very amusing. Of course it doesn’t.

    If they cast actors who looked like the PLA the casting would be limited to malnourished 14 year old peasants. I don’t think there are enough in hollywood to fill those ranks. There would also be a major backlash of hate towards the film for portraying such a kandid truth.

    • s/kandid/candid.

    • Dick-a-Rick, Mick? Cannae spell, Dick?

      • Even though voted down, Rick once again hits the nail on the head…my brother in law is in the PLA special forces. Describes the same thing, made up of poor boys from the countryside, and once they get in they aren’t provided for much better. Apparently most of their meager salaries are used up each month purchasing EXTRA food because what the PLA provides is not enough to keep them going after a day’s training.

        Further, the incentives for being in the army are pretty much nonexistent. If you are a poor kid from the countryside, you have to be enrolled for something like 8-12 years before they even consider arranging employment for you once you leave. I think my brother in law has wasted something like 6 years of his 20s in the PLA and at the end they gave him a measly 20,000 RMB.

        For those that think that such an “invasion” is possible (let alone imaginable) by the PLA, think again. You think you are going to get a bunch of poor kids from the countryside put their lives on the line for an invasion of the US for 20,000RMB? Most likely the minute the boat hit the shore, everyone would go AWOL and try to find better paying jobs that won’t get them killed. The PLA is good for two things…putting on patriotic shows and keeping local order.

        (and for those of your bringing up the Korean War…today’s PLA is not the PLA of the 1950s that was just coming off a brutal civil war and was amply prepared to continue fighting. Vietnam whooped China’s butt for the same reason…after beating the French and the Americans, they were ready to go when China decided to start shit. Lo and behold the PLA was taken care of in short order. Long story short, the Chinese military is years and years and years away from having significant invasion capabilities beyond those they have built up for Taiwan.)

        …but why am I writing all this? oh yeah, because people take movies seriously…

      • @Gaaad!!!
        Another absolutely meaningless post. I’ll stop replying after this. It’s clear that paying any attention to an ignoramus like yourself is not productive.

    • What’s the deal? He can’t critique the PLA without everyone freaking out? “malnourished 14 year old peasants” might be silly hyperbole, but it’s not that far off. The VAST majoirty of the PLA are poor skinny farm boys. Would anyone suggest they get the same calories and nutrition that their urban counterparts get? Nothing in his comment deserves this over-reaction. The fit sharp looking soldiers in the parades are “model” soldiers, an ideal, not a norm. It’s a fact that almost every war and battle in history has been fought mostly by poor skinny farm boys.

  17. 3,910,000 hits on Google for “war with china inevitable”

    There will be a “Red Dawn” in America.

    • If retards on random blogs on the internet think so it has to be true!

      I searched for “Britney Spears for President” and received 7,430,000 hits. Sorry Obama, looks like its Spears/Jonas Brothers in 2012.

      • Hahahaha…

        “doug eats dog crap” 176,000 hits
        “doug’s a retard” 433,000 hits
        “war with doug inevitable” 515,000 hits
        “doug sucks” 1,480,000 hits
        “doug married a hermaphrodite” 2,050,000 hits

        This fun!

  18. Looks like an entertaining movie.

  19. Hollywood is good at fictitious and outrageous movies. They make lots of money though.

  20. Modern Warfare 3 – China

    The Russians need some backup invading America, and China gets involved, and then Britain and the Foreign Legion come, and the whole place goes to hell.

    Make it happen, Activision.

  21. Looks like a SarahPAC / Glenn Beck production underwritten by FOX.

  22. I used to think Jews were smart before Hollywood totally ran out of ideas and started making nothing but remakes and kiddie trash. Those yarmulkes must be overheating their brains in the hot California sun.

  23. Whole concept is pretty lame. You don’t attack the one who owes you a money, not someone who have A of H bomb. You make this kind of movies to convince people that socialism and not to support universal health care plans (’cause it is socialistic).

  24. Is Jackie Chan in it? He would kick butt, weapons free.

    • Jackie Chan is too busy telling everyone why the Chinese need to be controlled to be in this movie. Although I would love to see him as the leader of the PLA and Chris Tucker as the leader of the Wolverines.

      • chip on the shoulder eh? your comments will no doubt filter to out to people who want to hear this kind of stuff. good cynical fodder.

        • Chip on my shoulder? You bet. I’M ABSOLUTELY ENRAGED THAT THEY REMADE ‘RED DAWN’ WITH CHINESE VILLAINS WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS THEY SHOULD HAVE REMADE ‘INVASION U. (machine gun fire) S. (more machine gun fire) A. (take a wild guess)’ with Chinese villains. That movie/work of art/religious epiphany has twice the action and less then a third of the plot of Red Dawn. In other words its perfect for modern cinema. Action + Chinese actors – Plot = every Jackie Chan movie I’ve seen. So that explains that.

          Cynical fodder? On the internet? Pfft, no such thing. :-)

      • you do know that that “chinese need to be controlled” comment made by Jackie was taken out of context right? Just a bunch of reporters twisting the words he said. You probably didn’t even read/watch the whole interview.

      • THey asked many Chinese American Actors to be in his film (like B D WONG, played FBI psychologist in Law and Order) and guess what, they all turn it down in disgust. So they have to hire Koreans and other Chinese look alike to portray Chinese soldiers.

  25. This movie is too… unrealistic, 2000 chengguan aka city controllers will be enough.

  26. Jaime de la Esperanza

    Who was scared by this movie at that time? America was riding pretty high and as I recall we were mostly scared of each other in the U.S.

    Sorry, but China has only been uppercase in the minds of Americans very recently… perhaps Japan was becoming “scary” at that time, due to their high number of imports, but China? A distant 4th behind Russia, Japan, and the American inner city. Maybe tied for 4th with our fighting for freedom for our Central American (Sandanistas/Contras) buddies.

    If you want a more accurate depicition of how Americans saw Chinese at that time, watch movies like Sixteen Candles. If that isn’t the most racist and foul image of Asians in a long time… and yet, still so beloved. Grotesque.

    • In the original movie it wasn’t the Chinese who invaded it was the Russians. The group that you have correctly pointed would be the one most feared by Americans in 1984.

      Also the movie was released in the year 1984 a year which has some strong fears about possible Communist rule of the world woven into it.

      So everyone was on edge already and they made a semi-realistic film about Russia invading and everybody got scared that it might actually happen.

      As you pointed out also China is currently at the forefront of American minds so it therefore makes sense that the 2010 version will have China. If it had been China in the 1984 version nobody would have really cared.

  27. Roadhouse is Swayze’s best movie and probably the best movie of all time! too.

    That said, the PLA couldnt successfully invade the US. Chinese army only good at killing its own citizens.

  28. Hollywood is such a masochist of a whore. But I think Israel’s hawks would prefer the role China got in Red Dawn. Israel invading USA would be much closer to truth of today’s geo-political situation, ideologically anyway.

    China in reality would rather close it’s doors on the world, for the Chinese are by nature a reticent and modest people as per their Confucian ethic and Taoist faith.

    But since the British Empire (with proxy nations Canada, Australia and New Zealand who consider the Sax-Coburg-Gotha their sovereign making no word on the refusal to sign the UN Declaration of Indigenous People’s Rights 2007), China can’t afford to do that anymore, otherwise the next Opium War will come in the form of GMO imports.

    Hollywood’s movies are like that drug dealer peddling his adulterated drugs knocking at doors on sub-urbs hoping someone with money will buy. Red Dawn is an insult to film makers worldwide.

    Meanwhile, as the ‘Culture of Entertainers and Warmongers’ masturbates the American people (and it hopes the rest of the world also) to death, Obama will indeed create Socialism with American characteristics.

    • “the Chinese are by nature a reticent and modest people as per their Confucian ethic and Taoist faith.”

      You’ve… never been to China have you? Jesus Christ, man, get that stick out of your ass and stop taking yourself so seriously. Are you a first year Political Science student?

      Or, put another way: you talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded.

      • Master C is a rhetoric, dogma spewing moron. Yet, he must be a genius, in some strange way, to fit the sentence “with proxy nations Canada, Australia and New Zealand who consider the Sax-Coburg-Gotha their sovereign making no word on the refusal to sign the UN Declaration of Indigenous People’s Rights 2007″ into every conversation he has. That’s almost commendable… for a moron.

    • Wow, could you be any prouder of yourself or what?
      First, it’s just a movie.
      Second, in a free nation with free speech, you have to accept the fact that people are going to make stuff that you don’t like. Not everything that comes out of Hollywood should automatically be said to represent America. It represents the few people who had the money to get that film off the ground, and that’s it.
      Third, call Yang Rui on Dialogue, I’m sure they’d love to have you on sometime.

    • Nobody will EVER take you seriously if you continue to regurgitate that tripe. But you like to play the part of the annoying robotic college student who latched onto “The Colonial-warmongering-Anglo-white-devil-to-blame-for-all-world-problems” theory of history, don’t you?

      • I’m not here to be taken seriously, but to make sure a certain awareness of reality is there while others obfuscate away the intelligence and judgment of the readers with one controversial article after another.

        Alikese

        And hello to you too. How rude you are. “the Chinese are by nature a reticent and modest people as per their Confucian ethic and Taoist faith.” Thats the treatment for those who intend to play nice. Have YOU been to China???

        • YOU have obviously never been to China. You just regurgitate the over-used symplified college China 101 platitudes. You are far more ignorant and racist than the even the Anglo-whiteys you attack, plus, you are a hypocrite. Reticent and modest? Utter condesending tripe! A country doesn’t control the largest chunck of east Asia, have the world’s biggest population, and the world’s second biggest economy by being reticent or modest, unless by reticent you mean bold and by modest you mean not-modest-at-all. YOU are profound-ly ignorant.

          • The earlier post should say :

            . . . with one controversial article AND comment after another . . .

            China indeed became what it is by being reticent or modest, there is no other way to progress in East Asia, Central Asia, or perhaps the Middle East as well. Bold and not-modest is the mentality of the colonist and the war monger / entertainer.

            Better invest in, value and appreciate what is being freely offered here. Make amends to those previously harmed if that is even possible. Profoundly ignorant is what some people imagine they will be up against when they should be looking in the mirror . . .

  29. . . . and invades Middle East to death . . .

  30. I will watch this movie only if our nerdy exchange students who spend weekend nights in the library turn out to be an ass kicking fifth column.

    And if chopsticks become compulsory as a sign of loyalty.

    This could be a damn funny movie. This is a comedy, right? I mean, it is a remake of Red-fucking-Dawn..

  31. this will be the best movie ever…I will be yelling “jia you” in the theaters (for the commies neige)

  32. What’s with the PLA stars all over the place? It’s like some graphic designer decided that every star in China must have a 8-1 in it. I’m surprised they didn’t change all the stars in the Chinese flag to PLA stars.

    (Recently, there was a Boston Globe article about green tech companies in China. The accompanying illustration had, and I’m not kidding, a Nationalist 12-pointed star on it.)

  33. RAAAAAGEEE!!!!

    As a former soldier and a military enthusiast in general, I just fucking rage at the absolutely shitty portrayal of the PLA forces. ‘Holywood realism’ again, or what?!

    First thing, they arent PLA soldiers, but most likely PLAAF Paratroopers, seeing their blue collar insignia, and some scenes where they land via parachute. The PLAAF 15th Airborne Corps is an elite force in the Chinese armed forces and SURE WONT issue their soldiers the old-ass M88 steel helmets from the 80′s, but the more recent and modern QGF03 aramid-fiber ballistic helmet. That shitty airsoft tactical load-bearing vest is also wrong. The 15th Airborne issues the Type-07 Modular load bearing system with camel-pack drinking system worn over the Type-07 ballistic body armour. Also the Camonflage isnt really right. It’s the standard Type-07 multipurpose digital camo here, used by the regular PLA, and not the more blueish and greyish Type-07 Urban digital-camo used by the PLAAF paratropers.
    Obviously the weapons are wrong as shit. China doesent use the AK-74. I know, it’s hard to get the Type 95 or Type 97 from Canada, but the 15th Airborne Corps doesent use them either. They are currently issued the QBZ-03 5.8x42mm Assault Rifle, which is of a conventional layout (like the AK). So I think they should be able to convert some AK’s or AR-15′s into some QBZ-03 lookalike. But this is a question of budget
    again… I miss the times Holywood actually spend money on creativity on the equipment and weapons like in the ‘Alien’ trilogy and in ‘Starship Troopers’.

    And the Hummers. What the Hell? China actually uses a Hummer lookalike – the Dongfeng ‘Brave Warrior’ Jeep. I would have expected that they would at least change the camo on these hummers and add a different front-spoiler to make it a bit more ‘chinese-looking’. But no. Cheap bastards again.

    So with this I think that this movie will suck royally.
    A shitty low budget production, full of retarded americunt freedom-fundamentalism and generic patriotic
    shit. Portraying the PLA infantrymen as a baby-eating and child-raping monster, who is both brainless and unprofessional. Acting like a Imperial Stormtrooper from Star Wars and cant hit shit even at point-blank range.
    Then some obese, stupid and ugly american kids with overcharged pathos will kill all dem evul commie-chinks with their civilian Mini-14′s and .22 caliber toy-guns, while chewing bubblegum and struggling with his own emo-attacks.
    America wins again, and China will be nuked. FREEDOM FUCK YEAH!!

    Feels so good, I want to vomit.

  34. The Soviet style propaganda looks kinda cool. Sadly we all know that in reality the propaganda would be generated by the staff of CCTV9, mainly resulting in boredom and sleep in the conquered Americans.

    They could have some fun casting a Dashan/Daniu look-a-like as the occupation spokesman.

    Finally who do you think would lead the quisling government?

    • That’s awesome. Occupied America led by a Canadian puppet of China who can do cross-talk and speak Mandarin with a beautiful hyper-standard accent!!!! Seriously, that’s a movie by itself!

  35. if you look carefully at the 6th picture Worker’s Re-Education center is translated wrong as 劳工在教育中心 rather than 劳工再教育中心… Although it’s as funny as some of the stuff on Chinese language voting pamphlets. Hopefully the future of Englese will be as amusing as Chinglish has been.

  36. That last poster has some awesome slogans on it!
    “Obscene choice: Weapons of Mass Distraction”
    “Your Freedom Has Been a Lie Liberation is Here”
    “Deceitful Leader, Greedy Corporations, This is not a Democracy”
    A lot of that stuff rings true, and a lot of Americans that are critical of their own culture and politics will tell you the same thing! There could be some sneakily subversive writing in this movie – let’s hope for the best!

    • Its just a cheap measure of pretentious shit, written by obese kids who are trying to make this garbage look DEEP and MEANINGFUL.

      This popular media-element of fake-intelligensia pretentiousness is so widespread, like the obligatory mentioning of the holocaust, jews and everlasting guilt in every fucking single movie and book to please the friends of DEEEEEEEP entertaiment here in Germany.

      Which is absolutely not DEEP at all.

      It’s more like the dumb attempt of an poor director to insert ‘elaborate’ story sequences and philosophical dialogues in a hardcore porn video.

      • A ranting German obsessed with war… it’s been done before… way to be a cliche.

      • “Obscene Choice: Weapon of Mass Distraction”
        This is actually quite a well-known theory (wish I could remember the author, don’t have time to research) which states that in the future there will be so much media that gaining any actual information will be impossible; media will become simply a distraction with no real content in it at all. There’s also the theory that the human race is becoming a thing that must be constantly entertained – and that the entertainment is becoming increasingly puerile and devoid of intelligence.

        I could go on, but I actually have work to do. Either way, I still think it has the potential to be interesting and I don’t think you should so easily dismiss those slogans as being pseudo-intellectual.

    • Yeah, are those donuts on the “weapons of mass distraction” poster? I’d like to buy one of those. I bet this’ll be an (unintentional) laugh riot, just like the original.

  37. As Joker would had said to the Chinese – Why so serious?

  38. The PLA invade America with Shanzhai hummers?

    Hilarious!

    I guess General motors are selling the rights for Hummer to china (although its for the civilian Hummer, not the military HMMWV).

  39. You know youve really come up in the world when we recognise you as our enemy.

  40. To be fair this movie is a million times more likely then say, shite like 2012.

  41. What you see in the movie, is not a Chinese invasion, but loneliness.

  42. Nothing like putting the red necks and American hicks worst fears into a movie. They’ll probably take it seriously too. China will invade America, and Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

  43. I read a piece a while back on the early script, I thought then that they would never make it – the plot was just way too contrived (Russians and Chinese invading the world`s only superpower) and way too likely to attract accusations of racism (the only sympathetic Asian character was the hero`s cheerleader love-interest). Either the script has had a major re-edit, or they think there`s a big enough audience amongst all the Fox New watchers out there to make this a suck-sess.

    The original Red Dawn was mindless garbage which was enjoyable so long as you could temporarily switch off half your upper brain functions – as a 13 year old I thought it was great. This fil, just like 90% of all the other remakes out there, is almost certainly going to suck hard.

  44. Ironic, in the original movie, the only people on America’s side were 600 million screaming Chinaman lol

  45. Please tell me Canada is in the list too

  46. it is a super English group which can be loaded 500 people,where there are lotta people who are from differrent countries,QQ group:53364315,we are waiting for your coming,or another advanced group 31440026,

  47. Hongjian why are you arguing with random internet n00bs about developments within the Chinese military, they’d never be able to understand what you are talking about, it makes you sound like a lunatic.

    • A lunatic like fucking Bruce Willis in twelve monkeys

    • Yeah, you’re right.

      Arguing over the internet is just like participating in the para-olympics: Even if you win, you’re still retarded.

      But ignoring that, whats the point of the internet anyway, if not arguing with people over shit?

      Playing ‘concernet citizen’? Shout comments and opinions noone gives a shit about?

      I think yes. The whole point of internet and ‘serious business’ is retarded. So I would advocate that all websites are to be turned into a 4chan-like shitholes full of trolls and faggots, wacking themselves off at negroes eating watermelons and KFC and japanese girls setting kittens on fire with zippo fuel.

  48. The “Red Guard meets rednecks” prediction pretty well sums it up. It’s the clash of stereotypes aimed at the lowest common denominator. Which means it will either be a billion-dollar success or go straight to DVD in less than a week.

    I would not read too much significance in China being the villains. The Arab jihadists are getting a little frayed around the edges from overuse, nobody’s afraid of Russia, Texas wouldn’t let them use Mexico, and they couldn’t think of a way to get Somali pirates into the Midwest. The last good extra-terrestrial invasion movie was made in South Africa; can’t copy them. So that left only Canada or China and red stars are scarier than red maple leafs.

    And why would you expect an industry that gets American uniforms wrong to know what PLA troopers look like?

  49. The original movie was good, but this looks sorta lame, cheap.

    Living in Canada, I think it would be great if China did take over. For one thing, more great looking Chinese women. Second, it would make our cities much safer to live in because street crime is often unbearable in major cities…

    • Street crime unbearable? And you live in Canada? YOU ARE INSANE. You don’t know ANYTHING about “street crime”, and are just another coward willing to give up his freedom for a sense of security in not having to fear a “mugger” that the government conjured up your false fear of in the first place- in order to get you to do just what you are doing- cowering in fear and willing to give all poser to the police state to “protect” you. People like you don’t DESERVE freedom. You won’t fight to protect yourself from imaginary “crime”, and you beg the REAL CRIMINALOS- the state and their police- to protect you. PROPERTY IS THEFT.

  50. I surmise it will be a disaster if China really prevails.

    And I fear. This goes like the same problem of”bad money, good money”.

    Hence the seemingly laughable absurdity of the movie seems a merited apprehension.

  51. hope its as good as 1st one. hell,america always needs a war/enemy. only years US not at war was 1945-1950- when only we had the BOMB.see military-industrial-congressional- complex.

  52. Of course that won’t be happen, see among yourselves if there is any war goes by that is rich person who will jump ship first. Ppl in America won’t sit there wait you come to invade them. Firstly this is just an exercise which some idiot change the topic. These ppl really a scum don’t know locate things from time to time. Which countries will support you ? Do you have diplomatic allied or businesses around the globe. Perhaps your populations control problem just bangs by world economic crisis at same time.

  53. How about attack minor countries like India, Indonesia some poor countries. Well that is really brilliant idea, consumed large land, break whole economics chain, hence civil war. Then your country can be better. Civil war is the only key but which country will trigger it and matters of time.

  54. America is in need of someone to protect them from Arabia’s advances. We have a lot of green zones.(Color of Arabic terrorism). Arab rules by computer warfare and reslieving methods. I thought we were under Arabic control for half the Bush Administration. We’d be stupid not to accept all the Chinese help and weapons we can. America cannot go up against Arabia and continue to have a red scare.

  55. Oh man, I’m already cringing about what my old mainland Chinese friends are gonna say

  56. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass in America. Every window will hide a sniper or Molotov wielding partisan. The only thing a war between China and America will bring is a need for ONE BILLION short and shallow graves. With that said i think it is sad that Hollywood can not come up with anything new.
    Dutch
    M-F 5 pm Pacific time http://www.firstamendmentradio.com

  57. what it said a bunch of post up about china won’t do a movie like that…of course not the chinese cant shit without there ignorant government’s say so

  58. I do not think this will happen again. Unless we need a saviour.

  59. I don’t predict America entirely falling to China. I think they will only become an innocent savior.

  60. China will become a world power? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH IMPOSSIBLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  61. Bring it on, ching-chong chinamen. We think it is hilarious that some of you seem to think you would have a chance against us. We may owe you money, but we owed the japanese money and look what happened to their economy. You cannot beat us at our own capitalist game- your curency model is based on the British/American banking system. We invented modern capitalism and credit markets(which are admittedly evil), you are foolish to believe you can beat us economically, and on the battlefield we will destroy you. We can create earthquakes in your country (HAARP project), we have ten times the nuclear weapons and missiles that you do, and we have a genetically selective virus that we can unleash that will kill any human with mongoloid/asian genotypes (unfortunately that will kill some of our population as well, like some american indians). Besides, the Russians would join us- they hate you. It will be the final showdown between the Northern European whites and Asians. Whites once controlled all of Western China and Central Asia, we will again. Come try and take us on. We dare you.

    • lay it on thick don’t you? While surely US have advance weapons, They may also have secret weapons too (only make sense). They didn’t spend energy on asymmetric warfare, high intensity high tech short war doctrine for nothing.

  62. If the Chinese invaded and were able to conquer the American Armed Forces (BIG “if”), they would soon give it back due to the their inability to conquer the spirit and resolve of every American. This would be a war that would never end until the last American was dead.

    • I agree with Richard. Nearly every American would die, because if Allah invaded all the smart progressive Americans would move to China or Russia.

      • Actually, America could be in serious trouble. They don’t know English, let alone Russian. Just look at ChinaSmack as evidence. Also, China is overcrowded and may not accept all Americans if our government allowed mass migrations. Which it wouldn’t. They’d rather kill us all for the veil of capitalist greed for some semblance of freedom.

    • I’m not sure…I mean, the population of China is 10 TIMES the US population.

      China could easily occupy and police the entire country, just as Russia did with Germany…in fact Russia itself is a Police State.

      That being said, the US would have to lose it’s Financial and Military power before an invasion could be successful, because the Generals at NORAD would NOT hesitate to use:
      1. Nuclear Weapons
      2. Earthquake Generator
      3. Tidal Wave Generator
      4. Viral Warfare
      5. Self-Perpetuating Robotic Factories

      They’d clamp down on the world so tight blood would fill the oceans.

  63. Actually, in the original Red Dawn they didn’t win anything, they all die…everyone dies…

  64. I am a student of the world. Could someone from China Please explain what “Freedom” means to your countrymen and women?

  65. “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia”

    Yeah, we’re scared of you.

    I suspect it will become “petting the dragon”, similar to how Britain “petted the eagle”, or groomed the United States as the new up-and-comer, the United States will try to shape how China rises.

    Whether we succeed or not…

  66. For an 8 year old, Red Dawn was inspirational. It may have been the reason I joined a paramilitary organization — the boy scouts.

  67. What the hell does my psychatric assessment has to do with the incorrect portrayal of the PLAAF Paratroopers in this goddamn garbage movie? I didnt serve in the PLA, but this doesent mean that stupid americans doing a stupid movies about stupid americans fighting evil Chinese is all perfect, just because stupid americans made it.
    Anyway. I dont really think that If China would invade the US, they neither would send in the people’s militia, badly trained reservist nor even Category B regulars, If it’s this what you’re trying to say.

    Everytime China did anything beyond its borders, they’ve always send out their best soldiers and newest toys.
    Like that anti-piracy mission in the Gulf of Aden, where they send the DDG-171 Haikou, which is the newest Chinese Type-052C Luyang-Class Air-Defence Destroyer, equipped with Aegis-styled battle-management system and advanced phased-array radar,
    for hunting fucking Pirate boats.

    So please, either suck on a cock and die, or seriously inform yourself about the different operative doctrines of the Chinese Armed Forces. Start with a fucking basic observation-forum like sinodefense.com and china-defense.com, where people doing serious discussions about everything around the Chinese military.

    Oh. Sorry, I ‘m actually expecting something like intelligence here on HateSMACk.

    Nevermind. Disregard that, since I suck cocks.

  68. Well said!

    Now you are really just a stupid and severely uninformed ‘concerned netizen’ like worthless millions of other.

    An no. I cant be a threat to Chinese society, because I’m not in China in the moment. And no. I dont want to join those unprofessional faggots named Changguan, since I’ve had enough action in Afganistan.

    And why should I be mad? The only one mad here is you, who talks about something he doesent even have any understanding about. This is propably the very reason why democracy doesent work right; too many uninformed and uneducated plebs using their political power, based on their own limited knowledge on the matters of the world. All power in the hand of an collective idiocy.

  69. Actually it wasnt a camel that I wanted to molest, but corpses in a newly found massgrave. But my Captain didnt let me ;_;

    Joke aside.

    I think you are the one who should go to bed. No real arguments to be found in any of your posts.

    Dont cry mmkay?

  70. Don’t worry KT, it’s quite obvious that HJ is a military hardware buff that gives no value to the software i.e. people. You can outfit a peasant as well as you like, but if you don’t feed, train, and pay him well enough to look death in the eye for you, all that equipment isn’t going to do much good.

  71. @ king tubby

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

  72. LOL, boy scouts are fierce!

  73. Jones, you mean eating in a German Bockwurst-Stand doesent count as service ‘in Middle Easern lands’.

    Also Afghanistan IS NOT a middle eastern country. It’s a near-eastern/west-asian country populated with Pashtuns and Aryans (Persians). I dont know what retarded jounalist or thinktank decided that Afghanistan is a fucking middle-eastern country, populated by Arabs.
    It seems that some americans are truly as geographical inept as in the widely spread prejudice.

  74. Yeah.. if we went by the experts of geopolitics who make ridiculous xenophobic action movies…

    1. The IRA would have toppled the UK
    2. A giant Middle East Arab/Muslim coalition would dominate the world
    3. Japan would own America, and the moon too
    4. Cuban cigars would much more readily available in the US

  75. The shittiest thing is, Americans are stupid and paranoid as fuck again.

    China will never be on the offensive, since all their strategy and all their aquired weaponry are solely fit for a defensive warfighting.
    China hasnt a good enough Airlift capacity to transport more than ONE regiment (~2000) of paratroopers + equiptment anywhere at one time.
    China hasnt got an viable amphibious assault capability, like LPD’s and Aircraft-Carriers to mount any attack beyond Taiwan.

    So in case of an Sino-US War, it would be the US to play the evil aggressor again, bombing democracy into the Chinese.
    China itself is currenty following an so-called ‘Anti-Access’-Strategy, combined with the ‘Assassins-Mace’ combat doctrine. Which means, that in case of a War, China will construct a 1500 nautic miles ‘death-zone’ from their coast with dozens of anti-ship cruise-missile armed stealthy Type-022 Houbei-class Fast Attack Crafts, Hundreds of Naval Bombers armed with supersonic anti-ship missiles, lots of Recon-Drones, dozens of Diesel-Electric Submarines and not to forget DF-21C Active-Radar-Guided Anti-Ship Ballistic Missles, which are designed as a kill-weapon against American Carriers.
    The PLA soldier wont face any american Marine in this war, since it will be mostly a Naval matter for the PLAN and the Second Artillery Corps to do.

    As for Japan and SK, since they are in the 1500nm death-zone, all american bases and all Japanese/SK assets will be attacked by Chinese/north-korean ballistic missiles and artillery, practically rendering these two countries useless for the americans to launch any air or sea campaigns on China.

    And this is how the strategy looks today. In a few years, China will have its first aircraft-carrier battle group and a much larger and modern bule-water fleet, with destroyers and cruisers armed with these Anti-Ship Ballistic missiles to expand the 1500nm death-zone on a mobile platform.

    So after all, it’s not guaranteed that the Chinese would win in a Sino-US war, but they will be able to let any attacker bleed badly for their attempts. And as we all know, humanistic democracies are hating nothing more than dead Timmy’s and Johnny’s, who wont come back to momma anymore.
    So China’s political strategy will be to kill as many Americans as possible, so that the US will end this war on their own.
    Democracies are weak after all.

  76. Before you went there, did you have ANY clue about Afghanistan? Just curious. Some people choose to know about places before their commanders and enemies force them to.

  77. Obviously you got brainwashed by your government’s propaganda

  78. Hongjian,

    “And this is how the strategy looks today. In a few years, China will have its first aircraft-carrier battle group and a much larger and modern bule-water fleet, with destroyers and cruisers armed with these Anti-Ship Ballistic missiles to expand the 1500nm death-zone on a mobile platform.”

    When we that few years be? I recalled the CCP were boasting about having an aircraft carrier for a decade already. Now even Indonesia is planning one, and all CCP have is a immobile land “aircraft carrier”.

    Dun count of North Koreans, they aren’t to be trusted. They are alrdy secretly making treaties with Americans themselves and their army is quite an antique.

    And South Korea and Japan are actually much stronger then they look (the American defense system also protects them from “space”). It will not be surprising that they themselves can hold up against China alone without U.S’s help.

    That being said, I doubt you are brainwashed. You are just an Chinese ultra-nationalist staying in Germany for w/e reasons. We have alot of people like you in Canada and Hong Kong; complain how shitty the place is and yet for w/e reasons decide not to return to China for the greater good. sobb…I applaud your sacrifice.

  79. Oh wow- Having read many of your comments- I couldn’t help but involve myself in the enlightenment process to correct your arrogance.

    Your entire argument is completely baseless and irrelevant.

    I dont give 2 shits for all of your techno-mumbo-jumbo<< The simple fact is that if War ever became the solution to the problems facing USA-China it would be the end of planet earth. Its as simple as that. Dont bother listing this non-sense of weapon schematics and power projection- nukes would be used.

    I don't care if they have a million man army or a 100 million man army. Atomic Weapons have forever changed the face of war. No one wins.

    Just for enlightenment- No China does not have the capability for amphibious assault on Taiwan- it wont for another 15 years easily.

    Cool they have one aircraft carrier battlegroup (Russian carrier). Ill give 2 shits when they get 10-11.

    I honestly burst out laughing to your comment regarding insurgency warfare- and how somehow… china is superior? When your battle strategy is to throw a disproportionate amount of human meat-bags into the grinder, what victory have you really won? 1.2 million Chinese dead in Korean war- for what?

    Im glad "Anti-Americanism" is cool now- It allows morons like you to develop these classic stereotypes that only hurt YOU in the end. Keep up the non-sense, Christmas break is here- I need entertainment away from the food coma im about to have.

  80. You’re an idiot. Our subs (where are yours) will kill half a billion chinks in the first fifteen minutes. We’ll mop up the rest of you from the air and with bioweapons. You really have bought your government propaganda- China’s “ballistic missile capability” is nonexistent, as is china’s “ballistic missile shield” (laughable). We own the stratosphere, and, you don’t know it yet, but we have stuff in high and low earth orbit that will remove your paltry satellites on day one. What “high-tech” China has is decades behind ours. If America fights a REAL war- meaning a war to annihilation, like WW2, China has no chance. SOmeone said earlier about a Chink strategy of surrendering to overwhelm us resource-wise. In a REAL war, we will TAKE no prisoners. No need to . Remember that every war america has fought since WW2 were public relations stunts/attempts to protect economic interests. In a genuine WAR TO THE KNIFE AND THE KNIFE TO THE HILT with American Savages, your venerable and most ancient middle-earth will become a smoking crater and anyone with epicanthic folds/certain haplotypes will become extinct. You can try and fool yourself all you want. But you chinks should “Ah so, ah, droo not arake-a sreeping giant-a”. Your cousins learned that the hard way, didn’t they? We didn’t nuke Nam or Korea not because we were afraid of you or the Russkies, but because we were stupidly trying to win hearts and minds. If we REALLY go to WAR with china, we won’t set a single american boot on the ground and there will still be none of you left to bury the dead. Believe it. Also, remember the Russians are going to jump in on our side, because you racist fucks see it in racial terms, and that will galvanize us to get together with our racial kinsmen the Rus (with whom we’ve had a family squabble for far too long). You idiots are going to keep fucking around and believing your own propaganda and stick your laughably tiny little yellow dicks in the steel bear trap of red/blonde headed barbarian viking rage… and when we go to WAR (not play about), we take no prisoners culturally, physically, or psychologically. We just make you cease to exist and erase all memory of you, and don’t even bother to piss on your stinking corpses. You saw an example of that with the Germans and how they dealt with their chosen enemies (the “chosen” people indeed!) as misguided as that was, it is still what you can look forward to if you come fuck with the western barbarians. Your stupid wall didn’t work. You certainly have nothing to stop us now. …and BTW- the “mongols” weren’t slant eyed- and you chins know it (nice digs in Bactria!) and it drives you mad, to the point of trying to squash contemporary archaeological finds/work on the subject Funny how many blonde “chinese” I saw in Xinjiang and blue (tho slightly slanted) eyes I saw in Ulan Bator… …and half the military nonsense you rattled off above is inherently incorrect, even down to certain model numbers. You, sir, are a poseur. And I’ll eat a pile of a chinaman’s steaming rice-noodle poo if you were in the stan. I was, and I call you on it. Where were you stationed? I was ALL OVER in country, and I will make a fool out of you if you foolishly try to give a unit number and station and tour dates. I dare you. You won’t, cause you weren’t there.

  81. Elaborate.

    Which government? The German Bundesregierung or the Chinese communist government?

    And also: HURRR DURR I’M STIPID REDNECK CALLING OTHER PEOPLE BRAINWASHED BECAUSE I’M FREE.

    suck on a dick and die please.

  82. After spending seeing some things on the internet, I think that living like a Chinese city dweller might be a fate worse then death.

  83. cool story bro.

    good morning. did you sleep well?
    I hope you have informed yourself before you write anything about a matter you do not understand.

    k thx bye.

  84. Yes, their war against homosexuality has been valiant.

  85. Thats the point.

    China send out their newest Air-Defence Destroyer for two reasons:

    1. Face – shiny, western looking toys are always better than sending an old Luhu or a Russian Sovremenny. Compare the Chinese Warships in Aden with the Russian Task Force there, and you know why analysts say that the Russian Navy will be rusted away by 2015, and why Japan seeks the F-35 from America to counter the fast growing capability of the PLA-N.

    2. As you mentioned; Expierience. China is participating in this mission not to fight pirates (they can care less about them/just bribe them) but to train the crew and test the systems of their newest surface combattans. They arent sending “smaller and more effective vessels” like their old frigates and destroyers to Aden, but their newsest shit, because they know that their have the training priority, in case of a war in western pacific against the JMSDF or the USN.
    Nowadays after the DDG-171 returned from Aden, China has established a nice training routine in thi smatter; revolving several ships who are send out to train one after another.
    IIRC there are two smaller Type-054 frigates in patrol service now. Quite remarkable for a Nation that hasnt send warships outside their homewaters for 500 years since Ming-Dynasty.

    And generally. Combat expierience of the western countries comes through Invasions and Occupations of foreign, mostly far weaker, countries. I think this is nothing to be proud of. Americunts are Americunts because they think this shit is so cash. And thats why the world hates them.
    Against a real country that can actually shoot back, even the US would have their problems with. How can the USN send their F-35′s and F-18′s against ‘my buddies’ when the aircraft-carrier cannot even approach the chinese coast at 1500 nautic miles, without getting hit by either a torpedoe, cruise missile or an ASBM, striking from the skies with Mach-10? All Top-Gun training and combat expierience wont help you to survive, if you cannot even close to chinese territory. Same with Japan and South Korea. Both of these countries are technologically and numerical superior to the Chinese Navy, but under the Chinese Ballistic Missile shield, they cant do much.

    And never forget. All that matters to the Chinese are american cassaulties and their own media backlash. And lots of cassaulties will be had, when a aircraft-carrier burns and sinks down on the bottom of the ocean.

  86. Hongjian,

    You are a militaristic blow-hard. Even if you were in the military, when you get discharged, and go home, and chat in forums like this, you are still an arm chair general. Bragging about the technology of your country or talking trash about another’s is so fifth grade when you consider that you couldn’t even make a model airplane from scratch let alone some real piece of weaponry. You are just one of those people who has memorized the specs on abunch of equipment and knows how to shoot a few guns, but doesn’t know much else at all. There are a few others on here guilty of this same big gun complex as well so don’t feel you are too special.

  87. At least gaining face on the tienanmen-square in a parade is better than to invade Afghanistan and Iraq as a statement of how ‘badass’ the americunts are. Even though I participated in one of these invasions as well, I can honestly say that this shit was not worth the price.

    “What experience will the crew of an anti-air ship gain from pirate patrols?”

    Lots of expieriences. Mostly the operation of those ships in real-life situation for the crew, the training of the aircrew of those ship-borne helicopters and the patrol-routine in general including open sea maintenance and, not to forget, interaction with foreign ships and fleets.
    Not only China has send anti-air destroyers, but also the USN with their Arleigh-Burke-class DDG’s. Ask them why they didnt send out their old Oliver-Perry Frigate classes.
    The americunt military is even more pedantic about face-gaining it seems, when they arent currently invading other countries and heroically killing random brown people with remote-controlled drones.

    And mentioning shooting Tibetans and general oppression by the PLA (in reality not even by the PLA but the PAP – know the difference!), I believe that the Chinese armed forces, including the PAP, the People’s Armed Police, have more expierience in quelling an insurgency then the glorious US-military, since all they did, is just to add Hummers with more shit than they can carry, but still get blown up by a cell-phone controlled IED. But meh, whatever. At least they have expierience in being blown up.

    >>They can send the aircraft against “your buddies” by the very fact that there’s infantry and equipment station all around China (look at base locations) in addition to the Navy.

    like i said, these bases will the first to be engulfed in missile fire. And Chinese missiles arent soviet-era shit. Maybe you heard of the ASBM and ASAT-project? If not, read this.

    http://www.defensereview.com/chinese-anti-ship-ballistic-missile-asbm-kill-weapon-flummoxes-us-navy/

    And what the fuck is a MiG I?! Do you mean that WWII era MiG-1? Or the Chinese J-7MG (MiG-21 copy)? Yeah, the updated MiG21 is still flown in some regiments mostly in backwater regions. The regiments facing Taiwan, India and Japan are all fully equipped with modern 4th Generation fighter/bomber-planes like the J-10A, J-11/Su-27SK, JH-7A and Su-30MKK.
    Furthermore, even old ass soviet bombers like the H-6 from the 50′s are nowadays updated to carry long-range, stand-off cruise missiles to hit Japanese. Korean and US airbases, from the chinese soil/within the chinese controled airspace.

    go to this site to see what kind of aircrafts the PLAAF and PLAN operates:

    http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

    “Only care about American casualties? Hell, we’ll just para-drop millions of US, Canadian, Euro, and even Jap (gasp) visas onto China and the entire country will immediately defect for greener pastures…kind of like how you did, amirite?”

    This would be the best strategy ever. For the Chinese.
    I would like to see your countries to be flooded with Chinese immigrants, taking away your jobs AT HOME and spurting fengqing-shit on YOUR STREETS.
    Japan is especially delicious. Since they are arrogant, elitist xenophobes, I would like to see their reaction to millions of Chinese moving to Japan.

    There was a awesome PLA General who formulated a similiar tactic in case of War with the US. Basically he said that they would send hundreds of divisions to surrender to the americans. With so many POW’s to support, the US will face severe logistical problems. And then, the Chinese will strike. Even if the americans are holocaust’ing/abu-guraib’ing these POW’s
    by the thousands, they wont be finished before their own munitions run out. And Brobama would loose his delicious peace prize in that case.

    Flawless victory!

  88. The Varyag, or the ‘Shi-Lang’, will have its engine ignition test beginning next year. Nowadays when seeing images of the Dalian Dry-Docks, one cotices that the Island (Where the command-centre and the Radars are) is being radically restructured to fit in Chinese electronics and Sensor-systems.
    The deck-crew is propably being trained on full-scale mockups like the ‘concrete-carrier’ of Wuhan Univerity and elsewhere, while the aircrew are currently training with the brazilians, who are expierienced in carrier operation.
    The Chinese carrierborne fighter would be the Shenyang J-15, which resembles the russian Su-33 in operation and design.

    Source:
    various military forums, janes defense weekly and
    http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm (one of the most reliable sources on the chinese military)

    And also; I believe that I stated somewhere that I’m currently studying in Germany. I’m probably a foreign Fengqing (though not too young anymore) but one that want to return to China when finished, since everything just indicated that the western world is a sinking ship as it is now.

  89. Oops, above post was directed as you, not entirely to the Chairman Cunt.

    So much about the reality of the Chinese carrier project.

    Also: I’ve had it enough with this faggotry!

    ‘Not a government-mandated public security announcement’?! What the hell?

    Of course it is not. But this makes it even worser.

    You do know that the US is a Democracy, right?
    And you do know what ‘Democracy’ means? You know that in a Democracy, all power comes from the people, right?

    So what is worser? A communist government sancioned propaganda-piece, everybody knows that this is bull and is just laughing about it like crap?
    Or a piece that reflects the paranoia and racist hate of a democratic population, made for a democratic population ,made by said democratic population – who are holding all political power in the state/can actually influence the policy of said state/are mandating the states power?

    THIS is the most retarded intellectual fallacy EVER!
    I hate these people who are always excusing the worst things their country did with ‘Oh, but this was the government doing’ or ‘Oh, but this is private owned/initiated’. IN A FUCKING DEMOCRACY.

    The population in a democracy are the last one who should be allowed to wash their hand in innocence when their country or their people are doing crap, SINCE THEY HAVE THE FUCKING POLITICAL POWER IN THEIR COUNTRY! Population in dictatorships might excuse themselves, since they are forced at gunpoint to do something, but people in a working democracy?!

    I love how apologists are always shifting the guilt for gigantic fuckups on their government. But are these people too dense to notice that THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ARE PROVIDING THE FUCKING MANDATE FOR DEM EVUL GOBBERNMENT? Right. Thy are too dense.

    Continue washing hands in innocence, by electing new leaders and forgetting about past fuckups, as if they hasnt anything to do with THEM AS A POLITICALLY OMNIPOTENT CITIZEN in a democratic country.

    And yes. We know this in Douchebagland. We know this very well. We know this, since OUR ‘IMAGINATION’ was resulting in a nice little man with a funny beard to be elected into power in a free and fair election. After some six million jews being elimitaed with the active help of ‘imaginating’-citizens, because someone claimed that they drank all the juice, and after we getting assraped by MOTHER RUSSIA, noone could wash their hands in innocence anymore by shifting all guilt to them evul gobbernment and talking about ‘IMAGINATION’ (*bubbles and sparkles*).

  90. Hongjian,

    can you show me a link that tells me about this carrier “Shi-long” are talking about? (I am too lazy to look it, sorry) I really want my “CARRIER” though =].

    Btw, how old are you really? How long have you served in the Bundeswehr? (I only served 3.5 years in the reserves) You are a graduate of FüAkBw right? I suppose you are at least 35? (Dun worry, i am not trying to stalk you, i am just curious to know more about the FüAkBw =], since i always got this preceptions that the FüAkBw isn’t some place everyone can get into)

    PS: That is a nice site for Chinese military. I am not sure would I say one of the most reliable but it definitely got data to beck themselves up.

  91. I’m not a FüAk Graduate. I served there for some month as staff soldier, before I decided to go on the Unteroffizier-Laufbahn (NCO) for at least 4 years (I had better things to do with my Abitur, than to become a real full-fledged German officer, like studying something ‘useful’ on a regular college). But nonetheless, this meant at least 6 month Afganistan for me… Should have known it. But meh, was a pretty funny time there. So we shouldnt be so much apart from each other.
    The FüAk is a really nice place though. It’s not as strict as people thought it would be. All ‘top-secret’ stuff is completely open and there are loads of foreign officers in the LGAI-department (International General-Staff Department). Even a bunch of PLA officers. The people are nice and you only have to salute officers above the rank of a colonel, and after a while one would forget that this is a military academy at all.

    So it’s all right.

  92. http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/varyag.asp

    An old (2008) article about the Varyag/Shi-Lang carrier.

    Chinese military obsevation is a highly amusing thing, exactly because it’s made of 90% speculation, 9% Fanboy-trash and 1% real genuine leaks, by either enthusiast who had the balls to photograph PLA hardware, or intentionally by the PLA themself.
    So there are absolutely no ‘firm facts’ about the Chinese military in general, safe from all those mentioned intelligence above. It’s not like in the west, where the military and their hardware contractors are alwas promoting their stuff openly.

    This site in the previous post is practically the most reliable one, because the admin is gathering information from every possible source. Chinese military observation mainly lives by the internet forums like sino-defence.com, china-defense.com, fys.cn etc, fueled by said leaks and enthusiasts.

    There are only few official sources and intel, which are as reliable and ‘closer-to-truth’ than those ‘unofficial’ ones.

    For Interrest: One of the few western scholars on the chinese military, Dennis J. Blasko, holds an auditorium
    at Whittier College. Very Informative for anyone who wants to understand the intention and structure of the chinese defense policy. (3 parts)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOGW0HC0v44

  93. Anyone, who after all the stories and photos showing that the Wuhan carrier building is just a building that looks like a carrier, in the vein of a dinosaur shaped donut shop, still thinks that is for training, is an utter moron. Hongjian… that means YOU!

  94. Mike Fish, please take a fish and proceed to pleasure yourself with it, will you?

    The Wuhan ‘concrete’-carrier is not to train the Aircrew to land their J-15′s (the surface wont hold the weight and material stress of a real plane landing), as mentioned, but the deckcrew in carrier service and operation (refueling, maintenance, system-operation etc).

    How about seriously informing yourself on that matter instead of shouting tabloid-level retardness here?

  95. Seriously informing myself on the matter? I’ve attended Wuhan University, recently, and am familiar with all of the education instuitutions in Wuhan, including the ones that could be connected to the military. First, which department of Wuhan University does that carrier building belong to? Which campus is it attached to? If you mispoke, misquoted, or just made a mistake, then which military institute in Wuhan does that carrier building belong to? Since you are an expert of flight decks and stuff, what part of any of that could look like it could be used for actualy training of any sort? Maybe they are teaching classes in that building, but they could do that in any building and it wouldn’t have to be shaped, and shaped only, like an aircraft carrier, would it? If there is nothing functional about it, then what’s the point? What is concrete isn’t that fake flight deck, those are composite roofing tiles, is that you are a an idiot compensating for his tiny gun by talking shit about big guns.

  96. Mister Fish, please note that your questions here are probably the same question of fucking everyone interested in the chinese Carrier development. Sadly, or luckily, the Military does not care about transparency, as western counterparts would.

    So, then please tell me, what do you think a concrete carrier, shaped exactly like the Varyag in Dalian-Dock, would be used, if not to train the deck-crew in carrier operation?

    As “Varyag World”, the Amusement park for the whole family? Or as private playground for a bored official, for whatever reason? Make an ‘educated’ guess.

    Or just inform yourself on that matter.

  97. Hongjian,

    A donut shop shaped like a dinosaur wouldn’t be for learning to ride dinosaurs in a rodeo, would it? You are now admitting NOBODY knows what the thing is being used for and that there is no clear info anywhere about it. Yet, you consistently flaunt your imaginary expertise, your certainty it is being use for what you say, and nothing else. On the web, people who have been in the building, say it’s just office space, but you know better.

  98. Whats that about your donut and dinosaurs shit?

    I know that americunts are obese and have an hideous fixation upon their favorite calorine-providers, but this doesent mean that you should drag innocent dinosaurs into this ugly equation…

    And can you provide links and sources of your claim that this is just an ordinary office building, by the ‘people who visited this place’. after they broke the strict police cordon?

    One of my sauces is this thread on sino-defence.com, where enthusiasts and observers are gathering all bits of information about the Varyag and the ‘concrete carrier’ mockup in Wuhan. And there is no indication backing your claim.

    http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/latest-plan-aircraft-carrier-info-photos-105-4714.html

    go back eating donuts and fish.

  99. Instead of just random chatter by any old idiot, how about an actual news story or article actually connected with China and people who know about the Chinese military. This recent news article from military.china.com:
    http://military.china.com/zh_cn/important/11052771/20091118/15705133.html

    Headline clearly states that it’s purpose is as an office building. If you think that the Chinese government wouldn’t give away their secrets and tell the whole world that they built a naval training center there, then why’d they build it there at all? They could easily have built it in a remote place rather than in the suburbs of one of China’s biggest cities in full viw of on-lookers and gawkers. This article and others like it are far more reliable and trustworthy than a bunch of military geek rumors in some forum. Besides, all of this just proves my point. All you can do is spout military geekery and scream Americunt at anyone who disagrees with you, even when you have no idea where they are from, yet you always miss the real questions or criticism.

  100. This article has been proved as an attempt of the PLA, or any organisation thats stands behind this contruction project, to spread false information in an intentional ‘leak’. Such practice isnt something new and has been discussed over and over. I laught how few you know about China and it’s military doctrines in both real operation and propaganda/PR-work.
    The fact that their are reports of civilian observers, or ‘military geeks’ as you say, where caught by the security forces and their cameras taken away/been forced to delete the memory-card, shortly after this official ‘leak’ surfaced in the internet, supports the lasting rumors that this building isnt some ordinary one. How could it? Who the fuck wants to have an office building in a giant carrier mockup?!

    The newest images show that a ‘Top-Plate’ Fregat-MAE 3D Air/Surface Search-Radar has been installed on the top-mast of that Island, and that the surfaces of the Island walls has been prepared to install Phased Array-styled Long-Range Radar surfaces. Probably they are mockups.

    Dunno who the hell wants to spend money on a carrier mockup, fully equipped with radar-systems and skijumps.

  101. These days, nothings just a movie or without an agenda, being manipulative, no matter how subtle or to whatever ends will be bound to raise objections from people who value their free will. How about taking at look at the home situation first instead?

  102. Cry more.

    You didnt provide one single viable argument in your rant, who hadnt been disproved by me in one of my posts.

    Attempt failed, try again.

  103. ROFL what is this monkey talking about. even Americans say only 400,000 Chinese soldiers killed in action.

    this is taking into account Chinese sent many times more than both North Korean and Russian troops.

    only you clowns would pretend your longest retreat in history was not because of Chinese.

    even in proxys, you lose. like in vietnam. dont be too arrogant and Chinese wont either. no Chinese cares about invading monkey countries. only Taiwan is worth our acquisition.

    as if Chinese want to control that trash bin known as America

  104. LOL! Oh the ignorance just pours out of you. One Viable argument?

    Its called nuke warfare. It makes all of your points irrelevant. Its as simple as that. None of the nice shiny toys or ideology matters when everyone will receive 3rd degree burns 60 miles or more away from epicenter. Which there are multiple epicenters.

    Enjoy talking out your ass though.

  105. Ignorance and arrogance is due when encountered with stupid people like you.

    Nuclear warfare is impossible since both countries are able to destroy each other in an all-out war.
    Also it’s nowadays highly unlikely. America only fears China’s rise and wants to contain and disturb it, by inciting destabilizing incidents which can lead to an uprising and civil war in China, not to trade their own nuclear destruction with China’s nuclear destruction, you fool. This isnt the cold-war anymore. No more, ‘We or them’ type of scenarios.

    What I’m talking about is the limited, high-intensity warfare the US would employ against China. Such as to cut off Chinese supplies at sea and support Taiwan or other proxy-states to damage China.
    China in return, will try to keep the American means of power projection at its bay, by employing missiles and politics. There wont be any nuclear warfare in such a conflict between the US and China.

    seriously inform yourself on that matter.

  106. Ummmmmm, your ENTIRE “democracy” rant is completely and comically wrong. Stop accusing every single fucking person who so much as utters a word here as an “americunt” who isn’t “informed”. YOU are not informed. America is NOT A DEMOCRACY YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT. FOR SOMEONE WHO IS “MORE INFORMED” THAN EVERYONE ELSE, TO NOT KNOW THIS SIMPLE FACT IS PATHETIC. The US is a Constitutional Republic…a REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY. Look it up, it’ll probably be quite a foreign word/concept to a chinese peasant-pawn who has only the power to choose which fucking part of the rice-paddy he wants to harvest. China has become the hip new fad today….. they’ll follow right in the footsteps of Russia and Japan. A hyped up “enemy” who is slowly and methodically out-innovated by American ingenuity and fizzles out like a cheap chinese firecracker. Since China is ruled by communist party elite, all it takes is one fuck up to screw you guys back to the days of the great wall.
    America would win a war against China because we have EUROPE, JAPAN, NORTH AMERICA, INDIA all at our side. You’re slitty eyes wouldn’t even see us fucking coming.

  107. hurr? durrr.

    herp herp.

    tl;dr.

  108. Surely have heard of 094? Ranting on Information that is out of date?

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