Train Attendant Selection Process or Beauty Contest?

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From Sina:

Beauty contest or selection of train attendants?

Posted below are several pictures of the selection of attendants for high-speed trains, and the criteria for selecting attendants for high-speed trains is: 20-years old and younger, 1.65m and taller, 50kg and lighter, dignified appearance, high personal character…don’t you think this is a beauty contest? 20-years-old and younger yet you also want them to have high personal character? The standard of evaluation for personal character is basically based on education, and those who are 20-years-old and younger who have graduated from university are all geniuses. As a genius, who would go be a train attendant? Some contradictions here.

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After seeing this, I really don’t know what you’re supposed to think.

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Do they all have high personal character?

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Everyone already says airline stewardesses are pretty. In the future, airline stewardesses will have competition from train attendants. What more, trains are considered relatively safer than airplanes, so in the future let’s all go ride trains.

From Mop:

Look Look! Mainland China’s Ministry of Railways train attendant selection is like a beauty pagent!

20-years-old and younger, 1.65m and taller, 50 kg and lighter, dignified appearance, high personal character…this is not a beauty pageant but rather the requirements for high-speed train conductors/attendants. In addition to service etiquette, the content of their training also requires proper pronunciation of putonghua [Mandarin], even English language training for serving foreign passengers. Since the train’s speed is fast, the training also includes some special requirements for service standards. For example, when pouring water, cups must be held with both hands instead of directly pouring water into cups on tables, and boiling water cannot exceed 2/3 of the container to avoid the boiling water spilling out; when walking, one must hold onto the back of seats to avoid falls.

[Same photos as above.]

Comments from Mop:

我信春:

With this kind of service, the cost-efficiency is very high. [This comment means that taking the train is a better choice than taking a plane, because it is cheaper and you still get pretty attendants.]

小的不才:

Is some government official going somewhere to do something? I have never received any service when riding the train.

无线固话:

No wonder it is said that train ticket prices are increasing to be as expensive as airplane prices…now I finally understand…

龙城【九爷】:

Big bosoms!~~

Train attendants in the past were either middle-aged women or men! Each one worse than the next!!!

[I] support the trains recruiting some beauties, good on the eyes! Men can also YY while on the train, ah, aesthetically pleasing…

Right now the attendants on high speed trains include quite a few young MM with delicate features. The Ministry of Railways definitely should hold more selections of train attendants, select more good seedlings, and raise the overall quality…

However us lowly people must reminder you, don’t TM raise the quality of attendants but not the quality of service! During the vacations and holidays, buying a ticket requires begging people and using connections or spending a lot of money. Trying to buy a ticket during New Year’s is the biggest grief for those of us who work/live away from home!

5.七十五

NND, right when I was looking at the picture with them sticking out their chests, my boss comes in…

jxjwh:

What brother is beckoning/recruiting is not a girl, but loneliness!

娜娜是小可爱:

Just my personal opinion~ if you buy a high speed train ticket

don’t be stingy over 5 kuai and buy a cup of coffee~

because the attendants that walk around making coffee have nice bodies~

especially when they are bending over/stooping.

hehe

我坐在河畔哭泣:

Where are the pretty girls- -?

cleanerer:

Those are just the attendants for high-speed trains, the slow trains are still all old ladies.

fuhuibaby:

Good, everyone will no longer take airplanes, as riding the train is both quick and you can see pretty girls too.

三国鬼谷子:

A characteristic of China’s river crab society, using different reasons for beauty contests!

Looking for someone 20-years old and younger, 1.65m and taller, 50kg and lighter, with dignified appearance and high personal character? Try the chinaSMACK personals.

  • http://www.icexpat.com loller

    If they’re the winners of the minimum wage beauty contest, then I’d hate to see the losers who had no choice but to work on a bus.

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      • http://www.icexpat.com loller

        Is this like the nerdy robot version of a Shanghai Princess? I’ll get you the computer as long as you promise not to adorn it with Hello Kitty stickers and glitter.

  • john

    People always talk about the airline stewardesses being beautiful as well, but all of the ones I’ve seen are very average.

    • Rick in China

      They’re not “beautiful” — keep in mind beauty is defined differently in China. Beauty means extremely thin and lighter skinned. In general there’s less emphasis on bone structure and what western guys consider attractive shapes as there is on skinny/white. The result is pretty average looking skinny girls who look delicate.

      • ALAN

        Welcome to the Peoples Republic of Robots. For some reason, this reminds me of the decision to replace the girl singer at the Olympics last summer. Wonder if there is a stewardess cloning plant somewhere, scary stuff…

      • Crick in China

        They are ‘beautiful’ – keep in mind beauty is defined differently in the US :) Beauty means being tanned and meaty. In general theres more emphasis on having a high cheek bones, a large facial profile, wider shoulders, smaller eyes and bigger hips and less of what chinese people consider attractive on Chinese women. The result is that Laowais pick ugly Chinese girls and wonder why Chinese people make jokes about them ^^

        • 社會是和諧的

          You’re a straight up fag. Who are you calling Laowai? You call yourself that, you self-deprecating traitor. Laowai is a derogatory term against Caucasian westerners. You don’t hear me calling all East Asians in the States chinks, do you?

          Actually in the west a smaller facial profile is preferred and bigger hips are not welcomed. If you’re bs statement on what westerners think is beauty stands true, then why in the hell would so many westerners in East Asian countries pick up so many babes?

          The reason Chinese make jokes about westerners with Chinese chicks is because they’re straight up really fucking jealous and feel emasculated by us.

          • rcheck

            You’re ignorant. Laowai means foreigner, nothing more. Not comparable to chink at all. Learn Chinese, idiot.

          • 社會是和諧的

            You’re half right, shitbird. It can be a term of endearment for foreigners but it also bears the negative connotation of 老是 as in always and 外 on the outside. In Chinese culture foreigners, especially Caucasian or Black foreigners, will never be truly accepted into Chinese culture. So why don’t you stop being ignorant and actually perk up your ears to the distinction in being called it,注意聽,注意口氣faggot.

            As our beloved Jackie Chan once said,”中國籍是全世界最難進來的“. The hardest citizenship in the world to get is becoming Chinese.

            You must prescribe to the Jackie Chan school of thought.

          • jack butcher

            shut up your crappy chinese, listen to rcheck carefully. it seems one word laowai will take the rest of your life to study. here another word for you 班门弄斧

          • jack butcher

            and stop bringing jackie chan in, he is an asshole

          • Chandra

            “Actually in the west a smaller facial profile is preferred and bigger hips are not welcomed. If you’re bs statement on what westerners think is beauty stands true, then why in the hell would so many westerners in East Asian countries pick up so many babes?”

            Wow, someone’s got a huge chip on his shoulder. I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but I’m a blunt guy: Westerners do not pick up “babes” on East Asian countries… unless they are prostitutes, which I saw a lot of in Thailand. When I was in Japan for a few months, I NEVER saw a pairing like that and Japan is supposed to be much more open to interracial relationships. I only saw interracial relationships in Roppongi and the girls hanging out in the seedy clubs there were tanned and meaty and generally unattractive (IMO). Even in the USA, when I see white guy/asian girl relationships, the asian girl is most likely tanned and quite a bit meatier- Americanized if you will. These girls are not the type that asians typically find attractive, so I’d have to say that his observation was correct.

            I think he’s misread into why this happens though. IMO, it’s because asian men are usually smaller and skinnier, and hence prefer smaller and skinnier girls, who tend to look more feminine. White guys are bigger and are used to white girls who are usually larger than asian girls and less feminine looking, so when they DO go out with an asian girl, they don’t mind picking up the plump asian girls who just so happened to be tanned (because they don’t take care of themselves, or in the case of the USA- goes in line with being Americanized). On the contrary, asian guy/white girl relationships are rarer in the USA (about 1:3 ratio to white guy/asian girl relationships), but when I do see them, the white girl is usually paler, smaller and have more feminine features.

            I hope that dispels some of the misconceptions!

          • rcheck

            No, actually, that’s not the origin or meaning of the word laowai at all. In Chinese, just because you see 2 characters together does not mean you take (one) meaning of the first character and put it together with (one) meaning of the second character. Idiot. That’s like saying stopwatch means stop looking. Idiot. In Chinese laowai and waiguoren are interchangeable save for the former being less formal.

            Here’s what you don’t understand: in America, or whatever Western shithole you come frome, calling someone “foreigner” may be considered disrespectful. Which is where you get the idea that laowai must be disrespectful. Well guess what, to the Chinese, “foreigner” is not disrespectful at all. If you could look past your biases, you could see that for yourself in China.

            So again, no it is nothing like chink. What you, and many many visitors to China who are ignorantly paranoid about “laowai”, have done is project Western (and your own) disrespect of foreigners on to others.

            P.S. I liked how you forced random tiny Chinese phrases into your post to try to look like an expert on the subject. Also digging the traditional characters, boy you’re really sticking it to the CCP, bro.

          • Mr. Sir

            Wow, how did this turn so negative so fast. You boys need to hug it out. I’d say most of your reasoning is skewed in that you do not take into consideration the historical context of a word nor the context it is used in a changing daily circumstance. Saying laowai is completely neutral and inane is like saying nigger or nigga is just a term of endearment. People interpret words differently and historical context or situational usage affects some people differently. One person’s foreign devil is another person’s buddy. Now, everyone, lets get a little Kum By Ya going. Sit in your circles.

        • dave

          Most of the “ugly” girls are dating Chinese guys. You just don’t pay attention to it. I am also sure you don’t go around taking a physical survey of this so called ‘fact’. You are simply repeating something you heard from other Chinese laowai ‘experts’ and since it is negative against something you either hate or are jealous of you happily accept it.

          Anyway, it really really doesn’t matter who is dating who. Get your own relationship then you won’t care so much about other’s, and if you do have one now then you are pretty small.

          If Chinese make jokes about them then Chinese need something else to do. Because 95% of Chinese don’t even know or have even seen or talked to a foreigner.

          • Chandra

            I’m not sure if you were responding to me Dave, but I’ll answer anyway. Yes, most of the ugly girls are dating Chinese guys (simply because Chinese-Chinese relationships are much more common). What I’m saying though is that the white men here, the VAST majority tend to date “uglier” (in eyes of asians) girls. It’s quite a common stereotype over here now, and I actually noticed it before other people started talking about it on the Internet, but I just didn’t say anything about it. I dislike how you simply dismiss it as being a hater or jealously. Personally, I find the phenomenon very interesting and would like to study it someday. In the end, you’re right about practicality because it doesn’t really matter because only the girl you’re dating matters. Then again, every race does this. You should see how white guys respond when they see white girls dating black guys. It’s kind of sad.

          • dave

            I was replying to Crick’s last sentence but what you said is fine too Chandra.

            You should see how dark skinned black girls respond to black guys dating light skinned blacks girls and so on :)

      • Shoeshine

        Amen!

  • 250

    I wonder which government official will in charge of that casting couch?

  • JMoneyMonkey

    Hey this is better then Amtrak, AA, or United. Rather have a very average young girl be rude to me then be bitch slapped by and 60 year old lady that doesn’t allow me to drink to my hearts content. At least this way i can play some grab ass with something that isn’t hanging to the floor…..

  • FreedomFighter

    What they are selecting for is not beauty, but loneliness.

    • mlgb

      Chinese commenters already got that one. No need to repeat it.

  • http://moominhouse.blogspot.com moom

    “1.65m and taller, 50kg”! That’s a tough combination to meet. My wife is 1.7m and 60kg (she’s Chinese) so she wouldn’t qualify?

    • John

      unless she’s 20 & under then all the above is irrelevant

      • Mr. Sir

        It doesn’t say anything about having to be a woman though right? There are plenty of guys that could qualify.

  • ST

    “20-years old and younger,”… yes!

    “1.65m and taller,”… oh yes!!

    “50kg and lighter,”… yes, yes yes!!!

    “high personal character”… ye… uhm wait, no. Well shit, that ruins it.

  • JD

    they are not pretty, but to be honest not many are in China. The ones who try look slutty, too much makeup.
    You need to get import some good looking girls from Japan or Korea.

  • http://lewannian.blog.sohu.com/ petit bonheur

    Is there any law combating sex, age, size, health discrimination in China ???
    Welcome in a country of equality…

    • Wang Er

      Sex, yes. Age, size, health, probably no.

      Labour Act. Dated 5 July 1994.

      http://www.laborhr.com/article6193.aspx

      CHAPTER II. PROMOTION OF EMPLOYMENT

      Section 12. Labourers shall not be discriminated against in employment, regardless of their ethnic community, race, sex, or religious belief.

      Section 13. Females shall enjoy equal rights as males in employment. It shall not be allowed, in the recruitment of staff and workers, to use sex as a pretext for excluding females from employment or to raise recruitment standards for the females, except for the types of work or posts that are not suitable for females as stipulated by the State.

      • http://lewannian.blog.sohu.com/ petit bonheur

        So can we say that the requirments for this job are illegal ?

        • Wang Er

          It’s definitely discrimination but I’m not a law expert so I don’t know whether it’s illegal or not. People fighting for equality of opportunities still have a long way to go in China.

          • Vesper Lynd

            In the interest of equality, I’d like to finally get some good looking Chinese guys serving me.

            I was told during my job interview at a Chinese company that I was being hired because I’m pretty. I’m not a hostess or anything–I work in IT.

        • schlepping in szx

          Doesn’t violate the two sections quoted.

          • dave

            Are you people actually arguing about the LAW in China? Come on!

  • http://www.charlesfrith.com Charles Frith

    I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of girls as the picture at the end of my post on the high speed rail link between Beijing and Tianjin over here shows.

    http://bit.ly/NO5rm

    • mlgb

      If you think they’re pretty, you should check out these ones.

      • skyline

        oh snap! rick rolled

  • skyline

    Do they all have high personal character?
    No… but they all flat if ya know what i mean *wink

  • http://laowaiink.blogspot.com Mark

    By and large, most female-centered jobs in the world are beauty contests to some extent, because in most societies, a woman’s beauty is one of her highest virtues. China is an extremely aesthetic culture with a long history of beauty worship and a large population with a large amount of beautiful girls so of course a hostessing job is going to have physical requirements. And let’s face it, who doesn’t like pretty stewardesses?

  • dan

    Attentants on public transport do more than pour coffee. Image is one thing but what about safety? What use is a group of skinny women with no life experience if a fight breaks out. A mixture of people is better. Anyone looks professional and a credit to a company in a smart uniform.

    • Tommy

      Stop talking sense this is China! snap out of it.

  • Stimpy

    Trains considered safer than planes?

    Um, no.

  • jj

    This makes me wana go & visit….btw samething in the 5 star hotels….all nice, young & tall…girls below or around 20…

    btw…this also applies to regular working jobs in major cities…one of my friend from there, she mentioned that girls would include their own protraits on their resumes and the managers would only select the ones that they consider nice/hot looking lol….what a depressing place…

    • billly joel

      standard practice in ALL asian countries

  • Tommy

    “high personal character”???????????
    How the fuck can you line up hundreds of “beautiful girls” and then claim you are interested in high personal character?
    Gimmie a fucking break China, you aren’t fooling anyone.

  • Yin

    In evolutionary theory, the development of beauty depends on two things: a fitness function and selective mating.

    What we know from history is that Chinese standards of beauty were different from those of the West. In terms of female facial structure, women with round, pear-shaped faces (rather than the narrow, angular faces the media promotes today) and almond-shaped eyes were favored, and in terms of hair & eye color black was preferred, but this played second fiddle to the more important measures: skin-tone and foot fetish, the latter ultimately leading to the horrific practice of foot-binding, which Chinese generally don’t want to talk about today.

    What we also know from history is that in China, sexual selection was weak due to females having almost universal marriage & reproductive success. This meant that “unattractive” genes were generally not culled from the female side. Some of this might be attributable to the wide practice of arranged marriage. By contrast, in Europe, esp. northern Europe, marriage was restricted and, at least for the lower classes, based on mutual consent. Consequently, females did not have universal reproductive success, and there was selection towards the European beauty standard.

    On the male side, it is obvious that Chinese society did not value physical attraction as much as financial success, which played an important role in securing food & resources for the family. Constantly wracked by war, famine, and the Malthusian trap, Chinese males were driven towards stable bread-winners. Moreover, unlike in Japan where a military aristocracy – the samurai – had considerable reproductive success by virtue of their status, in China it was the wealthy landlords and the Confucian literati who held high status. This selected for the intelligence necessary to pass imperial exams, read Chinese literature, write poetry, manage bureaucratic affairs, and do business, but did not select for beauty. This could explain why Chinese males never became that attractive, even though like other males they did experience selection.

    It can all be explained by mating behavior.

    • 社會是和諧的

      his could explain why Chinese males never became that attractive, even though like other males they did experience selection.

      真有一點道理!囧

    • dave

      Yes, theory……. boooorrrrring. Quit trying to explain everything to us professor.

    • Mr. Sir

      Yin, that was some well written utter bullshit, nonsense. Good job!

  • Icedew

    Wish I became a plastic surgeon then I would be a hero!

  • DUKE FLEED

    I support it. Since there is a large workforce available in China, why not surronding us with beauties. All they have to do is, besides some simple tasks, smile and blow. These criteria should be applied to any part of Chinese society and in 50 years only beautifulf girls will exist.

    • Mr. Sir

      Umm, did you mean ‘smile and bow’ or ‘smile and blow’?

      • Camela

        Freudian slip. Hee.

  • duhhhhhhh

    common, this is so much of cock talkin! give one them RMB1000 and have a nice fuck with them in the toilet. This is the reality of china!

  • FYIADragoon

    Ehhh, I’ve been on the trains alot, and I would say unless you’ve got really low standards, there’s no beauty pageant selection for this. If anyone has ever been to Beijing Film Academy or Communications University of China before, thats an example of a beauty pageant selection process. You’d think media-related talent aside from appearance should be what they’re basing entry off of, but seriously I swear its like 8 great looking girls to every 2 ugly ones at those universities.

  • 社會是和諧的

    “shut up your crappy chinese”

    Jack Butcher,

    Listen shrimp dick, every time I post something on here with Chinese you come around and try to correct me. 哪裡有錯?還是你看不懂繁體字?Fag, you should probably learn to speak and write English properly before you come to this site. I ask you to seriously analyze the word 老外 and the way it is directed at foreigners. In what context is it derogatory and when is it used in the manner of generally referring to Caucasian foreigners?

    After doing this, you can come back and talk but don’t bring up your insults at me of not being able to learn your precious language in my lifetime, because I fucking will learn your language and maybe even speak it better than your stupid backwoods 土包子 ass. I can’t wait to see some dumb fucker like you stuttering insults on my block. I’ll stick you so hard you’ll fly out of your shoes.

    • jack butcher

      shirmp dick??? you are sucking it everyday. why can’t you give it a more correct description.

      oh yeah, maybe maybe you will speak chinese better than I do one day one day!!!!. roll your mouse up and study the definition of laowai from rcheck.土包子is profound enough for you to study , redneck!!!

  • dave

    Come on! Who is the 4th picture down is such a beauty?

    No beauty contest here. Just trying to find something that is generally okay.

  • 社會是和諧的

    No, actually, that’s not the origin or meaning of the word laowai at all. In Chinese, just because you see 2 characters together does not mean you take (one) meaning of the first character and put it together with (one) meaning of the second character. Idiot. That’s like saying stopwatch means stop looking. Idiot. In Chinese laowai and waiguoren are interchangeable save for the former being less formal.

    Here’s what you don’t understand: in America, or whatever Western shithole you come frome, calling someone “foreigner” may be considered disrespectful. Which is where you get the idea that laowai must be disrespectful. Well guess what, to the Chinese, “foreigner” is not disrespectful at all. If you could look past your biases, you could see that for yourself in China.

    So again, no it is nothing like chink. What you, and many many visitors to China who are ignorantly paranoid about “laowai”, have done is project Western (and your own) disrespect of foreigners on to others.

    P.S. I liked how you forced random tiny Chinese phrases into your post to try to look like an expert on the subject. Also digging the traditional characters, boy you’re really sticking it to the CCP, bro.

    Dear Faggot,

    Thank you so much for such a cogent and inspiring response. Unfortunately, you’re overlooking the fact that the word laowai can go both ways depending on the context. It either is a term of respect or neutrality a way of labeling an outsider or it is the second usage of the word. The one which I propose after an extensive stint in country hearing all of the different ways those dear mainlanders refer to us outsiders. I propose that it indeed does in certain conditions present itself as a swear word or derogatory cut down. For you to be completely opposed to this thought is actually quite funny. I as a westerner do not feel that I am bringing my own preconceptions about foreigners or the word foreigner from my language into the mix. This being clearly evident from the rampant racism and prejudice that exists within China. Why would you think that it is I that turn this word into something that it is not just by being from such a hateful, intolerant group of people as Westerners? Shame on you. You really give them more credit than they deserve. If you really knew the true meaning of 老外 you wouldn’t dare to laugh along. Perhaps you’re the kind of self-loathing westerner whom calls himself a 洋鬼子? Or perhaps I’m using too much 繁體字for you? That would be so pretentious of me now wouldn’t it? Especially since here in beautiful Taiwan we chose not to use retard字.

    Also, the example of stopwatch being turned into don’t look does not apply since English words do not in any way follow the structure of Chinese words. How many two to four letter words can you guys think of in Chinese that actually are abbreviations or shorter versions for a much more expansive object?

    Return to the fold, traitor.

    • mr.roboto

      you really are a moron. using traditional characters as a foreigners is purely a matter of choice, doesn’t mean you’re particularly special. dropping in little chinese colloquialisms like it shows how deep you are in the culture just makes you look like a pretentious wanker. if you were doing that with french people would call you that. its no different in chinese, except that you are using other people’s lack of familiarity with chinese to protect yourself. you know a bit, but you’re no fucking expert. and you are most certainly a pedantic, pretentious prick.

      • 社會是和諧的

        I’m writing Traditional characters because I am in Taiwan. Read my comment first and then respond, turd dumpling.

        I’m not using others lack of familiarity with the language to protect myself since I’m writing characters to those Chinese responders to my comment. Why can I guess they are Chinese? Poor grammar.

        Where did I say I was an expert? I’m a student of the language. I deeply respect the culture and language. In this case, I was originally just posting my own observation of the word which I and others take to mean something else in certain situations. Something it appears people the likes of you are completely oblivious to. I’ve asked many Chinese people this question and the responses are just as diverse as I get here. So basically I’m just trying to break some ground and get some input from others here.

        Pedantic and pretentious? Thanks. I’ll show you just how geeky I am when I break your fucking face open with a stiff jab.

        • mr. roboto

          you’re such a tit. good luck every finding a remotely interesting job using your chinese. i can’t imagine anyone in their right mind ever wanting to have someone like you in the office. as someone who also has respect and intereste in the culture and language, has also lived, studied and worked in taiwan for two years, and has had to try and find a job which uses your chinese but doesn’t involve you just being a token foreigner, it isn’t easy. and having an attitude like yours would be crippling. for your sake, i hope you’re just being a dick because you’ve got internet anonymity. if you’re like this in real life, you’re in for a rough time.

      • Mr. Sir

        Nice use of alliteration Mr. Roboto!

    • jack butcher

      社会是和谐的
      “Unfortunately, you’re overlooking the fact that the word laowai can go both ways depending on the context. It either is a term of respect or neutrality a way of labeling an outsider or it is the second usage of the word. The one which I propose after an extensive stint in country hearing all of the different ways those dear mainlanders refer to us outsiders. I propose that it indeed does in certain conditions present itself as a swear word or derogatory cut down.”

      As a chinese teacher this is the first time I hear the explanation like this are you talking about chinese? maybe its your own language.
      蛮夷

      if you are really speaking good chinese, you will find all of answer from my word.

      • 社會是和諧的

        Dear Mr. Roboto,

        I enjoy trolling.

        Shrimpdick,

        Revise your English again please. Your grammar is god awful.

        Kudos for answering my question by simply pointing out that you are Chinese and I am not (thank god) and finally writing the word “barbarian”(蠻夷) in Chinese. I can tell you are a Chinese teacher by your amazing way with words.

  • doluk

    Isn’t this how all jobs are determined for women in China?

  • gorilla

    the issue with laowai is commonly a hot topic for foreigners. what is often overlooked is the communication factor which goes beyond the definition of a word.

    Laowai is often shouted by chinese to other chinese to make each other known of the presence of a foreigner. What is being communicated is not exactly intended for the foreigner, like a racial slur would be(which laowai isn’t.)

    But foreigners pick up on it and the meaning that is communicated to foreigners is negative.

    Chinese at large are mostly insensitive to the impact shouting laowai has on other listeners and here lies the problem with the word.

    people could argue that I am trying to say that chinese people should be “Politically Correct” but Im not. Communication requires an understanding of the impact of what you say just as much as understanding the actual meaning of what you say.

    Rather than being insulted by the word, I realize it just makes the speaker look ignorant.

    I can’t get angry at ignorance.

    • Stimpy

      I have to agree with this.

    • FYIADragoon

      I think the issue is additionally that if I used “chinaman” in the same manner that they use 老外, any Chinese capable of understanding English wouldn’t be looking at me so nicely. So why am I supposed to just ignore 老外? To this day, I have never seen definitive evidence or argument for 老外 having a neutral connotation instead of a negative, and you’d have to be a gullible fool to believe arguments for a positive one. That’s as believable as saying “darkie” has a positive connotation. Its ignorance, but that’s because of their usage of an arguably pejorative word.

      • http://cnreviews.com Kai

        First of all, let me be clear that I don’t support the use of “laowai” in a negative way. However, I do want to stand with those who argue that “laowai” is more often a neutral term than one meant to be offensive. Frankly, ANY word can be made offensive with the right stresses, tones, and inflections. ANY word can be made into a sneer, meant to offend.

        Second, I think the negative connotations of “laowai” is a combination of those Chinese who HAVE or DO use it in an offensive manner AND foreigners who perceive it as such. We can’t deny that communications cannot be understood without considering both what the speaker intended and what the listener heard. In this case, we have a lot of foreigners who readily take offense to the word.

        Third, I argue that this offense is sometimes legitimate, but mostly not. Why mostly not? Because most of the time when the word “laowai” is employed by Chinese people, it isn’t meant to offend anyone. I argue this is true in most situations whether a foreigner is part of the conversation or not.

        Fourth, I further argue that “laowai” is a casual term, in the same vein as “laoba”, “laoma”, “laozi”, “laoxiong”, etc. etc. etc. “Lao” is used with many words and become casual identifiers that don’t usually have offensive connotations or intent. If you’ve had a reasonable amount of interaction with Chinese people speaking Chinese, you should be aware of the multitude of words in which “lao” is incorporated.

        Fifth, that said, again, I do not deny nor do I defend the use of “laowai” with intent to offend or with offensive connotations. I do, however, see this problem very similarly to the use of racial descriptors in multiracial conversations:

        Stu: “Not our Doug, black Doug.”
        Black Doug: “Hey hey hey, easy with that shit, c’mon…”

        I do see the problem with tone or inflection and the issue of how something is interpreted:

        Speedman: “I don’t believe you people!”
        Kirk Lazarus: “What do you mean, ‘you people?’”
        [silence]
        Alpa Chino: “What do you mean, ‘you people?’”

        But I don’t quite see “laowai” as “chinaman” but more as “foreigner”. I think “immigrant” is a close modern-day example of a descriptor that has the same problems as “laowai”, as being neutral to offensive depending on usage. Same with “laowai’s” translation of “foreigner”. It’s a neutral word, but it isn’t hard to make it into an offensive word.

        Finally, I think the vast majority of Chinese people are indeed ignorant of foreigners being upset by the word “laowai” and of why they are upset. But, I don’t think this is some intentional ignorance. It’s just that the world in which they live in hasn’t compelled them to consider it much. The more contact and friction they encounter, they more they’ll reflect on how they use the word or if they should continue using that word.

        That said, I think both “sides” should be understanding and accomodating of the other, for the Chinese person to be considerate of the sensitivites of the foreigner, and for the foreigner not to misinterpret every utterance of “laowai” as offensive and to place it within context.

        • schlepping in szx

          ‘nigger’ comes from Latin word for ‘black’, therefore it is ok to use?

          • rcheck

            Fail argument, it’s not used to mean “black” today. Whereas laowai is used to mean foreigner and nothing more, both today and since its origin.

          • schlepping in szx

            ‘fail argument’? Write English, please.

            Etymologically, ‘nigger’ means ‘black’. The same argument is used to say ‘laowai’ means nothing more than ‘old outsider’. In terms of semantic content, neither term in itself is offensive. You can’t argue one without allowing for the other.

          • schlepping in szx

            I use the word ‘meaning’ with some reluctance, because it is a very loaded notion and very imprecise, and most people use it out of laziness, without bothering to look deeply into what is going on with language at issue.

          • rcheck

            Wrong, nigger is not interchangeable with black TODAY. While laowai is interchangeable with waiguoren — foreigner. Your argument is FAIL.

          • schlepping in szx

            Tell us why, rcheck.

          • schlepping in szx

            While you’re at it, rcheck, please explain to us the usage of laowai in this social context:

            Recently, I was waiting in Chicago O’Hare for my flight to Beijing. Next to me were two Chinese women talking about the ‘laowai’ sitting across from us. If ‘laowai’ is purely a factual signifier indicating ‘foreigner’, as you claim, then please explain why these two Chinese women would call an American* a ‘foreigner’ in her own country.

            * subsequent to hearing this from the Chinese women, I chatted up the American, who told me she was from Indiana.

          • schlepping in szx

            oh, and btw, “Your argument is FAIL“???

            learn English, 黄鬼子

          • rcheck

            Wow you don’t know what a dumbass you are. It’s lingo. You’ve been living in a cave the last few years? Visit failblog.org and get an education, dumbass.

          • rcheck

            That’s just how it’s used. YOU are not Chinese, regardless of where THEY are. Exactly how is that insulting? It’s not an insult, idiot. It means foreigner.

          • rcheck

            You might not use the English “foreigner” that way, but it’s perfectly fine in other languages. Good job FAILing to understand any language but your own and being an easily-offended, hypersensitive douchebag.

        • Wang Er

          Insightful as Kai’s comments usually are. But I will try not to use ‘Laowai’ as much as possible especially in front of Laowais, not because it means anything negative in my ears, but for listeners may be upset by my saying it.

          Laowang

          • pduro

            Chinese even use laowai to call ‘foreigners’ while they’re in europe… stop being so sensitive…it’s just a word… i can make the word “cute” sound and be interpreted as bad as f&*^ u in the a$$ hole….don’t hate the player, hate the game

            father: laotou/laopa
            mother: laoma
            the guy above me: laowang

  • jackdaw

    rcheck; I SUPPORT YOU !

    “Laowai” IS an offensive word and it’s about time someone said something! Those who choose to to use such insulting words like ‘laowai’ are exposing their lack of education and ignorance … but then again so will I everytime I hear it and call the offender a ‘grub monkey.’

    • billy joel

      ok gwai lo.

  • HelloMoto

    Why be insulted so easily anyway. They can call me whatever they want, cause wait, newsflash: I don’t give a crap.

    • Camela

      Haha, yeah, seriously! It’d be hard to get along in China if every perceived slight is going to upset you. There are plenty more rude behaviors than name-calling, you’re going to burn out your fuse really quickly if you get upset at it all. Just shake your head to yourself and let it roll off your back.

      If you read this blog long enough you’d notice the Chinese from other areas (oh, say, the nearby countryside or the next city over) are referred to as “waidiren” and so forth. And within families, everyone outside of the family are “wairen”. Everyone is discriminated against for one reason or another, pretty much. Not saying it’s good, it just is.

  • Mike Fish

    The chance to talk about women’s measurements, cup size, and the enjoyment of fine-ass flight or train attendants and you guys just obsess about Jackie Chan and laowais? What a bunch of freaks!

    • Teacher in China

      Agreed!!
      I’ve always been impressed with the flight attendants in China. Something about the uniform does it for me period, I have to admit. But besides that I guess I compare it to what I know, which is Air Canada. On the international flights, seniority rules, so only those who have been working for a long time (and I mean a loooooooooooooooooong time) get to be flight attendants on those flights. They’re generally grumpier, far less attractive, and far less attentive than the lovely young ladies on the airlines in China. It works so well for the planes in China, why not do the same on the trains?
      And, just to be fair to the opposite sex, why not get some suave cool young Chinese guys to serve too, to keep the ladies happy?
      May be a big ageist, but the truth is the truth – people like looking at hotties! Especially on 13 hour flights / 3 day train rides.

      • Mike Fish

        Everyone but the flight attendents in North America miss the glory days of air travel. Enjoy China, with its discrimination based on age and beauty, while you can!

        • Teacher in China

          The flight attendants in North America were working during the glory days of air travel…

      • Chinamerican

        Maybe it is because I’m a Chinese female but I have never thought much of the airline service in China. It’s not that much greater in the US but a lot of the women in my friend’s family have been flight attendants (his mom, godmother, and older sister went with American, United, and American, respectively.). It isn’t just that the service people have gotten worse, the clientele aren’t exactly something to rave about either, domestic or otherwise.

        People may like looking at hotties but I’d much prefer a veteran flier who knows how to anticipate my needs. That is the true mark of a professional, which are few and far between in the service industry.

      • Camela

        Haha, I noticed that contrast between Air Canada overseas flights and flights in Asia as well. OMG, the grumpy older ladies! But I did notice a couple of good-looking men the last time I flew with Air Canada. They’re not, like, under-20 fresh spring chickens, but attractive nonetheless.

        It’s undeniable that the service industry place a premium on looks only second to the entertainment industry. Still, I don’t see the need to keep the age strictly under 20. There are plenty of attractive people older than 20. Anyway, they better at least have some older people in managerial positions. Like someone else mentioned earlier, I’d hate to think what a bunch of inexperienced skinny teenage girls would do in an emergency.

  • gorilla

    Mike Fish, I see your point. The laowai comments are off topic.

    But if talking about the use of “innocently offensive” langauge can follow in the same vein as the train attendant article, this might suffice…

    These women are being hired for qualities that have nothing to do with interpersonal skills, cultural aptitude or customer service.

    Most customers will be disappointed and the young women will often be sexually harrassed.

    • Mike Fish

      Standard beauty is highly condusive to intrapersonal communication… if their knockers are too big, everyone will stare, no matter their gender, age, or where they’re from.

  • Chinamerican

    LoL, a pretty Chinese girl under 20 y/o is probably the WORST type of person you could pick for the service industry.

    Honestly, good service in China is pretty much non-existent. Give me an average-looking man or woman who has the work experience to actually do the job, not some ditzy college girl that hasn’t worked a day in her life.

    • Mike Fish

      Shenzhen Airlines has great service from classic looking flight attendents.

      • Chinamerican

        I’d wager they’re older than 20 though. Singapore Airlines is one of the best and they have beautiful flight attendants, many that are a good bit over 20.

  • snopp doggy dog

    Ok so we got HOOTERS on a high speed rail, should I expect chicken wings and a cheeseburger w curly fries the next time I take CRH bullet trains to Shanghai?

    So far all I see are overpriced bowls of raman noodles.

    • schlepping in szx

      Those convenient noodles are de rigueur on train rides, as are oranges, hardboiled eggs, and peanut milk.

      I’ve been practicing my noodle slurping, but I’m still an amateur compared to my fellow train travelers …

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  • Shanghairocks

    demand for junk jobs are at all time high now.

  • gorilla

    rcheck has a was with words. People who transliterate from chinese and to English and think that is translating can be shown their error with a number of basic examples. a 酒肉朋友 is not a meat alcohol friend. 白酒 is not white wine. 中国人 is not China man.
    Chinese is a slippery language where people can change the slant of their meaning as it suits them or deny that what they said was using such and such tone. So much innuendo in the language that just looking at the words alone cannot be enough. Those, who say that the term laowai is simple, are the kind of people who feel threatened when foreigners gain a sense for the layers of understand in their sophisticated language.

    • InstantNoodles

      Well isn’t tone the more defining part here? Most languages have their little quirks, but the setting determines the meaning more than others. My friends can call me a moron in just, and I’ll be fine with it. Under other circumstances, not so much so.

  • gorilla

    rcheck has a way with words. People who transliterate from chinese to English and then think that translating alone is good enough can easily be shown their error. Here are a few basic examples. I risk being wrong with my Chinese but oh well. a 酒肉朋友 is not a meat alcohol friend. 白酒 is not white wine. 中国人 is not China man.
    Chinese is a slippery language where people can change the slant of their meaning easily as it suits them. They can also deny what they said by claiming that they were using a differnt tone or homonym. There is so much innuendo in the language that just looking at the words alone cannot be enough to understand them. Those who claim that ‘laowai’ is simple are the kind of people who feel threatened when foreigners start to understand the depth of meaning in Chinese. They also use Chinese’s flexiblity to hide negative connotations at their convenience. Chinese language is quite sophisticated. Unfortunately, most people we run into the street aren’t.

  • http://torisefromashes.blogspot.com/ PH

    There is a Chinese say: China lacks most things, but never people (中国什么都缺,唯独不缺人)

  • InstantNoodles

    A person’s outer appearance is very important, no matter what we say about “inner beauty”. Most people show biases toward outer beauty sub-conscientiously at least.

    Had a co-worker from Shanghai who told me she actually got a resume with “artistic photos”, “3-sizes”, and “can drink without getting drunk” from a young university grad.

    She shredded the resume before her male boss can see it.

    As for transportation attendants… The ones on my last plane ride were young and ok looking. They weren’t rude, but seem to be really tired and indifferent to their jobs… I’d rather interact with someone who finds some enjoyment out of her job.

  • http://www.psychegotyou.com C

    Height: 165 cm
    Weight: 50 kg
    BMI: 18.4
    If your BMI is < 18.5 = Underweight

    Even top designers are requiring their supermodels not to be under the healthy BMI. These are train attendants, not models. This is fuked up.

  • SuperHappyCow

    http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/train-attendant-selection-training-china-03.jpeg

    Only the one in the middle is anywhere near attractive imho.

    This article is misleading.

  • da shone

    nice – i woud look to see the beauties on my next trip. easier on eyes.

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