American School Buses vs. Chinese Children Saluting Cars

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From Mop:

America’s elementary and middle schools all have specialized vehicles for transporting students (school bus). This kind of vehicle is painted yellow, and has an automatic stop sign on the side of the driver’s seat (stop arm). This kind of red octagon sign only has one word on it, “stop”, no different from the stop sign at any intersection, with the only difference being that it can be opened and closed, like an elephant’s ears. The sign is normally closed along the body of the school bus, but when students are getting on or off the bus, the driver will open it.

During this time, no matter whether there are cars in front, behind, left, or right, including police cars, all must stop, even the president’s ride is not an exception. When the bus driver believes the students are safe, has closed the sign, only then are other cars allowed to continue drive. If the bus does not have a sign installed, then the driver must get off the bus and hold up the sign, forbidding all cars to pass. This is to protect the country’s next generation, a right given to the school bus by the law.

When I first went to America, I did not understand the rules, and once wanted to slowly drive around the school bus, but an American screamed and yelled at me, startling me a lot.

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American bus driver stops traffic for crossing children.

No matter whether it is bustling city, or a deserted countryside, every time I see a yellow school bus slowly come to a stop, open up its red ear, and children excitedly going to and getting off school, I think of those children who raise their hands to salute luxury cars [of officials] in China and feel heavy and depressed.

A while ago, I saw the rules for several areas in China’s Guizhou, etc. provinces that students must salute when they encounter luxury cars on the road, which I thought were completely absurd and ridiculous and I felt bad for the children.

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This bunch of corrupt officials, who have sucked the blood and flesh of the people, who use the blood, sweat, and money of the ordinary common people to purchase luxury cars in order to show off their power and prestige, actually tell students to salute their luxury cars. Why not salute trucks? Why not salute horse carriages? Why not three-wheeled vehicles/pedicabs? Because these officials never ride in these vehicles, because these bunch of moths are not content with acting like tyrants on the heads of the ordinary people and can actually think of this kind of awful idea to impress upon children.

What is the significance of saluting? Respect. Citizens salute the national flag, students salute teachers, but why must we salute officials, do they deserve respect? This is brainwashing little children, this is misleading the sense of values of children whose intelligence have not yet matured, this is the destruction of young minds.

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Children are the future of the country, the people’s hopes. Whether a country, a people can stand at the summit of the world is determined by how the next generation is educated and cultivated, determined by what kind of material and mental environment. If it is all like the Xinjiang blaze: “Everyone don’t move, allow the leaders to go first!” and the children are burned alive, what kind of future does this people have?

Comments from Mop:

yyad1314:

No matter how rich or how good America is, it is still capitalist! No matter how poor or how bad we are, we are still socialist! Moreover, no matter how much we detest Sanlu, 70km, city managers/inspectors, ZYK phenomenon [Zeng Yike], graft and corruption, etc. we are harmonious! This is something capitalist countries can never match! This is the superiority of socialism!

sydtc008:

China everyday says how bad North Korea is, how not open it is. Actually, all Europe is laughing at us, just like we laugh at North Korea.

jackqowo:

Corrupt officials will not die, will not die. We were all poor babies once, but when one becomes an official, one becomes corrupt.

匿名人士994826:

From youth, America cultivate a spirit of freedom starting while China cultivates a spirit of slavery.

Said this way, what JB is our China…long ago wanting to surrender to America, just haven’t had the opportunity.

As long as the Communist Party survives, the people will never be able to raise their heads!

匿名人士994826:

Teaching people from when they are little children the ideology of oppressing the people, how could these children grow up and not become corrupt officials???

Like Obama said, China’s Communist Party is the world’s most corrupt and deceives its own people dictatorship.
Only by defeating it can democracy have hope…

方形球:

Salute? Truly ridiculous/crazy.
How do they even think of these things?

hgyabc:

My first Mop reply in my life I give to you.

胡健坤:

China is destined to be unable to defeat American democracy. It is not that I do not love my country nor is it that I worship foreigners, it is because in education we have already failed. We lost at the starting point [educating children], China’s greatest tragedy!

lsx19791028:

It cannot be denied that the 60s-70s Communist Party was admirable. The Communist Party today is corrupt.

我草连用户名都输半天:

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["Harmonious is not speaking"]

qq285807745:

China has not developed to that stage, and Chinese people’s brains are not agile enough in this aspect.

迷途小馒头:

We can easily find 10,000 examples of other people being better than us, but there is one reason that is enough to show that we are better than America: We represent socialism, they are American imperialists!

david803:

I do not dare to speak carelessly. I’m afraid to be pursued across provinces.

HanJihey:

A bunch of terribly people! Public servants work hard for the people. What is wrong with you guys saluting??

影寂:

Shhh, speaking carelessly will be river crabbed.

事了拂衣:

Are officials corrupt, or does the system make officials corrupt?
Greed is human nature, and when the system is unable to control it, it will enlarge.
I have never blamed corrupt officials, because in this kind of system, when the officials are not corrupt, they will be blamed!
Don’t they say absolute power begets absolute corruption?
When China can escape absolute power is when corruption can be controlled.
Because there is no second party, or third party to supervise our officials in power, if it were you, would you be corrupt?

  • yb

    For once a “moderate” post here… ;) (I just liked the fact that a Santana 2000 was considered a “luxury car” in that first pic… :P (of course i’m well aware of the situation in deeper China, and the history of the “Black Santana” ) )

    • 6years in china

      Children salute automobiles all over rural areas in Sichuan and Yunnan. They even saluted me many times while I had driven by – then when they realized it was a white faced foreigner they often could be seen in the rear view mirror laughing their heads off or running after my truck with big smiles. I believe that the (rural) children salute vehicles in many (if not all) provinces, not just in Southwest China.

  • china smacker

    I just came back from a trip in Yunnan province (adjacent to Guizhou) and have seen saluting children with my own eyes. My tour guide told me that local teachers told their students to do so to passing cars because of

    1. Respect. To thank people from outside (outside of Yunnan’s mountain area) since they donate money to build their Hope Prime Schools.

    2. Safety. In these poorly developed areas, students have to walk miles on “highways” (high in term of over 2000m altitude instead of speed) from home to schools. Roads in mountain areas are narrow and rugged (which can be seen from the photos in OP) and drivers have much less time to respond to pedestrians. Thus it’s a good way to make students paying attention to passing cars, by stoping, standing on sides of roads and saluting to drivers.

    I think the measures are reasonable and necessary. Personally, I found these saluting children were extremely cute. Hope one day their hometown will be developed to a point that they no longer need to share roads with cars. My wife and I donated periodically to the Hope Project which helps children in China’s poor areas to continue their education. Their website is

    http://www.cydf.org.cn/en/

    If you are planning to visit Yunnan recently, I hope you can give your hands. The International Youngth hotel I was living in Lijiang has a program to help establishing one-to-one donation and advising to these students (Chinese):

    http://www.laoshay.com/students/students.html

    Yunnan’s landscape is simply jaw-dropping, but on your way to enjoy the nature beauty, don’t forget to join the 1kg program and prepare 1 kilogram of books in your luggage. Children in these areas badly need textbooks. 1kg program’s website:

    http://www.1kg.org/misc/en-intro

  • krdr

    China smacker, thank for info! Does this kids salute only cars that are outside of Yunnan, or any black car or big car?

    I am afraid that this kind of saluting is expression of power of some insecure official. It is possible that same official will be prosecuted for “misleading youth” very soon.

    I think that wanted to stress difference about care for children in China and USA, in manner that in USA care for children is much better than in China. This kind of post often exaggerated differences.

    Here, in my home country, it is normal that kids walk for kilometers to school and back. Even my mother did. Walking students are normal in non-development and developing countries.

    • china smacker

      To answer you question:

      I have seen them saluting to cars from both Yunnan and other provinces, including my bus with a local plate (which starts with 云R, I know it because I took a photo of the bus, which belongs to the Aladin Travel).

      I don’t know the situation of your country’s road, but in Yunnan, mountain roads are extremely dangerous – narrow, uneven, and roads were often destroyed by landslides. The roads were so bad that locals joke about the abbreviation of their province 滇 as 颠 (“bumpy”, the two chars have same pronunciation). My experience: on our trip from Lijiang to Lugu Lake, in about 6 hours we had one landslide which buried the road and another one destroyed a bridge (so we had to cross a creek on foot, walked for about 30 minutes before talking another bus), and due to high altitude, it’s very foggy in some areas. Driving on such roads can be a nightmare for experienced drivers let alone for a careless children pedestrian.

      • dace

        Yeah, I did the same Lijiang-Lugu Lake trip as you, and asked the driver why the kids were saluting. He said same thing – they are happy you are visiting them, cos you’re money helps them improve a little bit. I ended up being sick the whole way back, so was sitting in the front seat – was hilarious seeing these kids salute the bus, then seeing this whitey in the front seat and almost falling over in amazement…then laughing their heads off at the sight.

      • Hamid

        china smacker, Its seems like not as you described, the road condition from the above picture shows otherwise! and the children still salute the cars? This is not about the showing thanks to outsiders but to respect and be obedience to they’re leader and its is very effective if it’s started young. This is how the Chinese leader continue they’re supremacy and this is how the North Korea leader surviving.

  • Laowai Steve

    “”"No matter how rich or how good America is, it is still capitalist! No matter how poor or how bad we are, we are still socialist! Moreover, no matter how much we detest Sanlu, 70km, city managers/inspectors, ZYK phenomenon [Zeng Yike], graft and corruption, etc. we are harmonious! This is something capitalist countries can never match! This is the superiority of socialism!”"”

    What a fucking imbecile.

    • janz

      sarcastic post, if you can’t detect it, try to turn on your humor detection level.

      • shin

        ^ unfortunately i don’t think it was a sarcastic post.

        • http://cnreviews.com Kai

          Read the Chinese. It’s pretty clearly sarcastic.

          • shin

            then we need a new, honest translator

          • http://cnreviews.com Kai

            Why’s that? While sarcasm is always a little harder to tell in written form, it wasn’t that hard to identify the sarcasm in the English translation either. I thought the translation was pretty accurate. It makes allusions to a bunch of embarrasing things about China and then asserts superiority? C’mon, that’s quite squarely in sarcasm territory, right? Yikes, man.

          • Mike Fish

            Yeah Shin, Kai’s right, it was quite clear.

          • Jay K

            Although it might be sarcasm, words arre words and never can fully envelope the emotion to it; i for one though it wasn’t sarcasm, but i had to take a double take on its sarcastic tone.

        • Chris

          It is very clearly sarcastic. But you must make sure that you read the last two sentences – which can be difficult if you’ve already had a kneejerk reaction to the start.

          I’m not blaming anyone for that – I had a reaction to the first couple of lines, and only just got through to the end to see that it was sarcastic.

          • madmax

            full ack. n i think shin made a total fool of himself …

          • Super Kong

            This is why we must communicate by emoticons only! (Am I being sarcastic or not now?)

    • shantai

      I think the only way to miss the sarcasm is if you didn’t know what Sanlu, 70km, and everything else was. Those are some of the major embarrassments over the past year in China…

  • http://www.kworthy.com warped0ne

    @Laowai Steve: I read that post with the hope that the original poster was being sarcastic.

    This one, however, bothered me:
    “We can easily find 10,000 examples of other people being better than us, but there is one reason that is enough to show that we are better than America: We represent socialism, they are American imperialists!”

    • mike

      how about the one praising the 60-70s era communist party? not just a little freaky. i hope the only reason the poster could say that is because he wasn’t alive at the time.

    • Jason

      I am pretty sure this one is sarcastic as well. Please change the wrong stereotype that most Chinese people love CCP and most Chinese people think China is the best country in the world.

      Have you not seen enough translated comments on Chinasmack of Chinese poster laughing at how “mysterious” the Chinese society is or criticizing corrupt government? Do people just pick up only what they expect to see, and Chinasmack only serve to strengthen their stereotype that Chinese people are stupid robots?

  • G.

    Any luck to have smth more on the edge on this website?
    Does anyone talk about the arrest of the defender/lawyer/teacher because he was trying to help the people (mostly poor) getting rights? He wasn’t even against his government, he was just trying to get the people their rights back. Maybe I shouldn’t put his name in my comments…
    Harmony!
    Cao Ni Ma!

  • lee

    99.9% Chinese public servant is corrupt…there no need to salute them!Instead they are the one that should respect the community…go to hell with corrupt official.

  • Jeremiah

    Ahh, yes, well, you know, this is really no big deal, because,ah well, you know, other countries of a similar soci-economical geo-political stature are also doing this same sort of thing.

    Right Kai?

    • http://cnreviews.com Kai

      Uh…are you seriously comparing the education system telling kids to salute to passing cars to some psychos torturing and mutilating kittens?

      Seriously?

      • Jeremiah

        Uhh… no?

        I just stated that Kainese children saluting their corrupt, communist government in the People’s Republic of Kaina is no big deal, and it shouldn’t be considered news, as all countries of a similar socio-economical geo-political structure are doing the same thing.

        Isn’t that right, Kai?

        • Rick in China

          You’re only proving that you’re a petty troll.

          • Jeremiah

            Nope. You and Kai are right. The People’s Republic of Kaina is aces. I’m in total agreement now. Every problem is minor or unimportant.

            The struggle is finished. I’ve won the victory over myself. I love Big Brother.

            Anyone who disagrees with us will be insulted personally, as will their wives and/or family memebers, as a sign of our superior morality.

            “What happens to you here is for ever. Understand that in advance. We shall crush you down to the point from which there is no coming back. Things will happen to you from which you could not recover, if you lived a thousand years. Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty, and then we shall fill you with ourselves.”

        • http://cnreviews.com Kai

          Jeremiah, in addition to what Rick already said, you really need to go back and re-read the Four Kittens thread.

          • Jeremiah

            Yes sir, I’ll get right on that, your excellency. I’ll bring it up on the monitor in Room 101.

            WAR IS PEACE

            FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

            IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

          • http://cnreviews.com Kai

            Jeremiah, I said you need to go re-read the Four Kittens thread, not descend into madness. It’s a little embarrassing that you’d opt to go insane instead of re-evaluate what just what exactly happened. I thought Americans prided themselves on not being afraid to reflect upon their mistakes and learn from them. You said so as much, didn’t you? Let’s see you live up to that same virtue. Again, I recommend starting with my first reply to you in that thread.

          • Jeremiah

            Oh, but I did re-evaluate, sir Kai, and I realized, all of Kaina’s problems are of little consequence. They are all either socio-economical or geo-political issues that are rampant throughout the world, not just the P.R.K.

            Haven’t you noticed that I’ve done nothing but agree with you, your excellency? I’m just waiting until I can join in with you and Rick and personally insult those who don’t agree with us. It’s gonna be so cool.

          • Rick in China

            You know someone has failed in their arguments when they descend into utter sarcasm in attempts to “falsely demean” themselves meanwhile snickering away at how witty they think they are.

            It’s not even worth a thoughtful reply, Kai, suggest leaving Jeremiah to stew in his own self-disappointment, perhaps he’ll end his miserable existence in this god-forsaken land once and for all.

          • Jeremiah

            That was sweet.

  • PUSAN PLAYA

    It’s like this in Korea except instead we make our children throw rock at Jap car and American army humvee

    • Cryptozoologist

      Never seen that in Korea, Pusan Playa. Although xenophobia and racism is definitely present here.

  • nvikie

    I’ve being doing lots of thinking, why Chinese always hate each other, everyone think they are the best, others are shit, why? We are all Chinese, this is called RACISM. gov tell us we’ve been follow the best politic system in this world, suddenly, someone comes out and tell poor people you are poor so you are the lowest class in this society, and you are nothing less than a potato. People, you are racist yourself when you racist the same human race.
    Many Chinese needs another kind of education, i.e. “Moral”, from my POV, Culture Revolution may necessary. The education system using currently is really sucks, I remember when I was kid, everything I did was wrong, teacher said I was stupid and wont do any good, may be I was fallowed the rule “Respect Teacher”, and thought everything comes out teacher’s mouth is right, me really stupid. May be we learned too much 孔夫子. If not, I should stand out and say to teacher: “Why should’t you just give me some more Encourage, you suppose to teach me, not tell me how stupid i am”.
    Then I found out that the problem could coursed by the education system, under this kind of ES, people are lack of confidence, don’t know their rights, this could be the reason why so many racists valence against Chinese in other country. Or may be China is lack of Religion, the power of Religion is unlimited… People should have faith in their heart, if you have faith then you are nothing to be afraid of. Teacher in school should told us we are the best human race on earth, we should respect each other and helping them to make our country strong, Why should we following western’s rule, we have our own rule to be followed.
    I’m not saying we should compare to USA or other European countries, I dont believe Western Culture is the best, DO NOT forget China is the most Powerful Country before Industrial Revolution begin… I dont know why so many people in China are so like to compare China with Western Countries when bad things happened in China. Why shouldn’t they think how to solve instead of saying: “look, this is our country, look how stupid it is, Yeahhhh i’m so 4qn happy when this happened”. even our leader is so love western and think we are lower class (see the video on YouTube: youtube.com/watch?v=BDn-ZolI-NA).
    ”No one gives you the rights to judge another person and tell him/she what to do”

    • shin

      ^you’re right about many points…especially about the chinese being racist bastards…even to each other. however i don’t ever think china was the most powerful nation before the industrial revolution. maybe they like to think they were…just as they like to dream that they are or will soon be a superpower.

  • The Grudge

    Different culture, different traditions…

    For Chinese readers: This is how we salute high ranking officials in the west.

    http://www.peacebus.com/GhostDance/070907BumsBared.jpg

  • Bo

    I think its ok to show them respect, after all they work for the government. But the children go to government founded schools so the guy in the car should salute them back. The kids are our future.

  • PUSAN PLAYA

    “I think its ok to show them respect, after all they work for the government”

    So do tax man and traffic police, how do we keep our dignity if we do not show them disrespect?

  • ybin

    There is at least one translation error – in the original post, he did not say that the sign is like “everyone’s ears”. He said it is like “elephant’s ears”.

    • http://www.chinasmack.com Fauna

      Thank you for the correction!

  • river

    EVERY TIME I SAW THINGS LIKE THAT , MY HEART ACHE, MY EYES HURT, HOW MUCH CAN I GO ANYMORE????

  • Mike Fish

    Ask a “socialist” to explain “socialism”? Ask a member of the CCP to explain communism? A few people like to rant about China’s great socialist example, especially as their measure for how much better they are than capitalist countries such as the US, but I beg to differ. Until this year, Chinese students had to pay ALOT to go to school; from primary to secondary gradutaion they had to pay for public education. To go to a key high school one would pay many thousands of RMB, the same as university tuition. China also has high taxes. Yet, until this year people paid for public school. In the US, all education, from kindergarten to high school gradution is free. In the US, if you are poor, you even can eat free; three meals if you are in the right place. There are many more examples that show how much more socialism is a part of the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. not to mention northern Europe. How exactly is China socialist?

  • Yin

    China *was* socialist. To call it socialist, today, is a joke.

  • charlie

    As stated the officials requiring children to salute them are corrupt, this is not every where in China. change is slow and these officials will reap the awards of corruption until one day other officials will point it out and we will hear of them being punished by their national Government.

  • Miako Tamatsue

    Anyone know where there are more details about the pneumonic plague in China? For some reason, I can’t get on to China’s news websites.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/03/AR2009080300130.html?hpid=moreheadlines

    • china smacker

      Google news gives you

      English sources:

      news.google.com/news/more?um=1&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=dYyqgLc66xc7I8MKIbMgzeFHm7NbM

      Chinese sources

      news.google.com/news?hl=zh-CN&q=%E8%82%BA%E9%BC%A0%E7%96%AB&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=-SB3Sor4I5DcsgPBx9D0CA&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1

      12 confirmed cases and three death up to now:

      news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-08/04/content_11820784.htm

  • too yellow

    “America’s elementary and middle schools all have specialized vehicles for transporting students (school bus).”

    yeah right, tell that to my school district. (or any other non-rural school district in California. Thanks Regan!)

    • too yellow

      Actually, school used to provide free milk and bread stick for children that can’t afford it, after somewhere in the 90′s the school district cut funding for that. Looks like they have taken a page from Thatcher, the milk snatcher; I really hope they would know about what going on in all school district instead of the few “model” school districts supported by high property prices.(which isn’t all that high right now)

  • Nigger

    Leave us alone! Let us have a good time in Guangzhou. Big dick and china girl is wow!

  • J Dawg #badd

    Perhaps Chinasmacker is right in indicating that these children have to wave in order to let drivers know they’re there. If that’s the case, why don’t these kids wave to all passing motorists? Why just wave at the luxury cars? Or do they wave at all vehicles?

  • nvikie

    I’ve being doing lots of thinking, why Chinese always hate each other, everyone think they are the best, others are shit, why? We are all Chinese, this is called RACISM. gov tell us we’ve been follow the best political system in this world, suddenly, someone comes out and tell poor people you are poor so you are the lowest class in this society, and you are nothing less than a potato. People, you are racist yourself when you racist the same human race.
    Many Chinese needs another kind of education, i.e. “Moral”, from my POV, Culture Revolution may necessary. The education system using currently is really sucks, I remember when I was kid, everything I did was wrong, teacher said I was stupid and wont do any good, may be I was fallowed the rule “Respect Teacher”, and thought everything comes out teacher’s mouth is right, me really stupid. May be we learned too much 孔夫子. If not, I should stand out and say to teacher: “Why should’t you just give me some more Encourage, you suppose to teach me, not tell me how stupid i am”.
    Then I found out that the problem could coursed by the education system, under this kind of ES, people are lack of confidence, don’t know their rights, this could be the reason why so many racists valence against Chinese in other country. Or may be China is lack of Religion, the power of Religion is unlimited… People should have faith in their heart, if you have faith then you are nothing to be afraid of. Teacher in school should told us we are the best human race on earth, we should respect each other and helping them to make our country strong, Why should we following western’s rule, we have our own rule to be followed. I really cant understand that why 毛澤東 is using Western’s System Rule (Communism) to lead our national, is Western is really better than us???
    I’m not saying we should compare to USA or other European countries, I dont believe Western Culture is the best, DO NOT forget China is the most Powerful Country before Industrial Revolution begin… I dont know why so many people in China are so like to compare China with Western Countries when bad things happened in China. Why shouldn’t they think how to solve instead of saying: “look, this is our country, look how stupid it is, Yeahhhh i’m so 4qn happy when this happened”. even our leader is so love western and think we are lower class (see the video on YouTube: youtube.com/watch?v=BDn-ZolI-NA).
    ”No one gives you the rights to judge another person and tell him/she what to do”

  • Piaoya

    Haha were I live in Canada BC almost everyone walks to school! There is no school bus for elementary school kids. Everyone is poor. The roads are cracked and pot holes everywhere. Most of the time there is no crosswalk because we are so cheap. Our Provincial government is so corrupt all the funding for health, education is cut and now they are adding an HST and a GAS TAX haha they tax everything and give everything to natives.

    • Yohlee

      Wait, what part of BC do you live in? Maybe I’ve been pretty oblivious but I haven’t noticed anything.

  • Ming

    China smack should write some additional information regarding the location and its economy. Not everyone understand the situation in yunan.

    Also, the original post is very deliberate in bias contrast in which it showed the best of the US education system vs the worst of Chinese education system. Not exactly a fair comparison in my opinion.

    • nvikie

      I totally agree with you, my home town is Pu’er, which is the south part of the Yunnan, it said to be the poorest region in China, the total income for most of the city families are like 2000RMB/month, and for the people lived in the rural area is much worse, some of them even could not afford to buy a new cloth in their life, that’s why they go into city and make money to buy food and more clothes for their family. I originally came from those rural areas. I really hate the Chinese who lived in big cities, and have good quality of life, and then racist the poor people but so like Western Countries, may be they think the stuff comes from West Countries is so good that even the Western Shit is smell much better than in China.

      • laowai

        I actually visited Pu’er recently and found the town a very nice, liveable city with happy people. Am I mistaken in this perception ? I also didn’t see much poverty, in fact none at all, especially compared to the coastal cities where you see so many poor migrant workers.

  • whatever

    I’m seriously entertaining the idea of just leaving the bullshit first world fuck-land and go teach at some remote mountainous region (and wait for first world nukes/beam weapons to kill me).

    I think I can do it. I just need to save a little bit more, maybe one more year. Then fuck you “developed world” fucks. I can no longer watch/live with you fucks any longer.

    I know I’m a “developed” world fuck too. That’s why I have to cleanse my soul of the bullshit. ASAP. Yeah, it is selfish but I can’t take this crap any longer. I’m a loser. That’s why I have to unlose myself from this taint.

  • whatever

    THE FUNNY thing is. These eugenic guys and world-depopulation dudes HAVE LIVED IN LUXURY THEIR ENTIRE LIVES and they aducity to talk about how the planet can’t go on without a 90-95% reduction. Total first world fucks. I have to get away from this. Total hypocrisy just from living here.

    No. I don’t deserve it. Tis why I will excuse myself and volunteer to give up my position of luxury.

    • Rick in China

      Good riddance. It’s clear to me you’re not better than those you deem as the hypocritical “first world fuck” or you might have the ‘audacity’ to use your ‘position of luxury’ for the greater good, rather than act like a fucking victim thrust into a society of finger-pointing evildoers.

      Cry me a river. It’s clear you’re full of hate and cynicism due to your own personal failure in the “first world environment” and choose to escape and try to find some sort of mystical purpose to your otherwise meaningless life. That’s unfortunate..it’s sad to see those who claim to have had it easy fall on their faces and waste the oxygen of those who have the drive to push until they’ve made a significant contribution to society, all the while crying about how bad everyone else is. You’re like the headless protestors who protest more so to feel like they are a part of something than for the individual cause itself, for that, perhaps you’ll get your wish of ‘beam weapons’ (too much star trek?) and stop stealing my fucking O2.

      • whatever

        I’m sorry but I spoke rashly. Plus, I was talking about crazies that talk about depopulation…they are the “first world fucks.”

        I’m really just trying to reevulate my own situation. I’m don’t mean to drag others into it. I can’t speak for anyone else, I’m in no position to judge others. I’m only talking abaout myself and what I think I need to do. I mean I guess I can sit here and do my little jobs and that will be enough as eventually some good will propagate out of that. But the truth is, I don’t matter. No matter what I do. I can’t be like you Rick in China. That’s why I have to do some little things in order to affect a little bit. Somehow I don’t think working to benefit the elites is contributing to that.

        • whatever

          Dude. I was not talking about everyone else. It may sounded like that, but I wasn’t.

          The truth is: are you nuts? The probability of me doing anything to contribute “significantly” to society is naught. I can pay taxes and donate. Paying taxes: well, that just goes to the elites and the military industrial complexes of the elites fucks world over. Donate: I started donating a little bit. Maybe I should donate more. Volunteer my times etc.

          The problem with volunteering is I feel that there are plenty of people where I’m at doing that. And having lived in relative poverty (compared to later points of my life) during my earlier years, I feel that I can do better by contributing to that original environment. Feel me. Of course you won’t, I’m freaking crazy half the time.

          And beam weapons… research Tesla (of course many will laugh and snicker at “conspiracy theories”).

          • Rick in China

            In your first post, you simply referred to “Developed world fucks” – implying everyone from a developed nation. That’s why I replied in the way I did.

            You can be from the first world and not be involved in promoting depopulationist ideas, however, there are some aspects of that ideology that may lead to a much more positive situation for humanity as a whole.

            Your thinking of “I don’t matter” is precisely why you don’t matter. Until you overcome that, you’ll never really be happy with who you are or what you’re on the path to becoming. The problem is not so much with society as it is with the individual – change the individual, and society intrinsically changes as well. What is the phrase….think global, act local?

          • whatever

            THINK positively! Hmm, not going to work here bud. Very low probability of really changing the world, for the good.

            As for depopulation…hmm, you are right, we must think of the elites!

  • Fred

    They really treat each other like slaves, China is infested with moral poverty.

  • Rick in China

    China is much more fascist than socialist. Relative to Canada, I pay less tax in China, and receive much less socialized benefit. The government maintains a strong control over individual rights and freedoms, and while ideologically capitalist, maintains a strong control over the economy as well. There is a strong push for nationalism and focus on central government and consolidated power. This is what fascism is, and this is where we’re at.

    That being said, it’s genius to ‘get the kids’ while they’re young, and having them salut the ‘upper class’ or ‘government elite’ only serves to plant a mindset of servitude to the minority rich/powerful in their subconscious, hopefully enabling those in power to stay in power longer. (‘hopefully’ from their perspective/position, of course.) Giving people ‘little brother syndrome’ means even if they grow bigger or stronger, they’ll always *feel* inferior…and those who feel inferior do nothing to rise up and challenge.

    • Jeremiah

      That sounds pretty subversive there, Rick. I think you need to pay a little trip to the Ministry of Truth for a little re-education.

      Suggesting any type of moral, political, civil, or personal opposition towards Kaina or the People’s Republic of Kaina is strictly prohibited, per the rules set down by yourself and your boyfriend, Lord Kai.

      • Rick in China

        Thanks for your meaningless reply to my post, once again dredging into your ridiculous make-believe world and adding absolutely no value or insight.

        Get over yourself, and stop polluting this board with your nonsense.

        • Jeremiah

          I’ll get right on that, boss.

          • Somethin Somethin

            seriously holmes we’ve all read Orwell. No need for a book report. Find your invisible enemies in Shanghai and treat the locals to a kan yi kan.

          • Jeremiah

            You got it, cool guy.

  • fireworks

    I’ve been to China and haven’t noticed children saluting luxury cars. On the surface, sounds like these children are brought up with good manners, respect and ethics.

    But the truth is some corrupt local officials are using taxpayer’s money for their own benefit and the children should give the middle finger to these punks.

    • sofa_king

      That’s exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately, those officials wouldn’t understand the meaning of it.

  • Yin

    One of the most common complaints I’ve heard against Chinese people is that they are loud, rude, and lack manners. So in that sense, etiquette education seems, at first glance, a good idea, given that parents who were not taught manners themselves are unlikely to impart it to their children just-like-that. However, saluting cars doesn’t seem very relevant to this training. Far more important are things like dining practices, conversational skills, and basic compassion. Actually, I’m genuinely curious as to why these things are lacking in China, but not in Taiwan.

    The obvious answer would be: because China was Communist, and the Commies wanted everyone to emulate peasants; by contrast, the KMT was Nationalist (really more like fascists, but w/e), and wanted everyone to emulate the educated elites (themselves). But is there some other, more obvious reason that I might be missing?

    • sofa_king

      I always wonder about the same things. I think one of the reasons is that TW culture (which is inherently Chinese) has been heavily influenced by JP and US. Our perception of what is considered civilized is just different. However, culture is always changing and perhaps there will be a day when they will change. I think they kinda have to if they want more respect from everyone else. That’s my take on it.

      • mike

        close enough. tw was a japanese colony until the end of WWII and they had advanced a lot under their rule, socially and with infrastructure, etc., to the point where the ppl living in taiwan when the kmt came actually revolted against them because they thought them dispicable/savage/etc

        • FangYao

          hey guys need to do a little bit study here, the whole reason for Chinese (lack manners) wasn’t communist idea or Chinese culture, it is “the great f*king Mao” with his culture revolution, along these 20 years 60′s 70′s, no people go to education school at that time, most people are join the Mao’s campaign to waste their youth, when they have kids, what will they teach them….. family education is none or base on very poor level, the chinese tradition is disappear….
          these 20 years hurt china inside out…we must thank Mao…

          • alan

            The Cultral Revolution was nuts. My grandma still has nightmares of little red guard teenagers cutting off the tips of her shoes (while she was still wearing them) because they were too pointy and fashionable. She still hates Mao and communism to this very day.

  • tammy

    This may be old but China’s situation always reminded me of “Animal Farm” by George Orwell.

    • alex

      Well it was written as a form of propaganda against the Soveit Union. But yeah, it sums up “communism” quite nicely. Only problem is, I don’t really see much actual communism in China these days anyway.

    • Teacher in China

      Yeah I always found it funny that they sell both that book and 1984 in the bookstores here. Has anyone in the government actually read them?

      • Joe #2

        > Has anyone in the government actually read them?

        Of course they read them! Where do you think they get their best ideas?

        • Spectator

          Joe, that is funny as shit.

  • Laowai

    China has a problem with the system. All countries have its own problem but i think China should reflect on how people treat each other. No one is less worth in this world. Some races may be tainted with heavy crime rate, low IQ, lazy and so forth. But i think all people should be treated equal. Therefore i would like to see the black men selling drugs in GuangZhou in the government car, in Beijing pinpointing and direct the faith of China. Chinese is no racist, you just need to give the small black man a great start, im sure you can and will thank budda after.

    • FangYao

      you are very right, deeply inside Chinese culture is Confucius, which 3000 years ago chosen by the first king,
      this idea poison all the chinese, let them easy to be control, to die for the king (leader,corrupt officers,government) without question…
      until today our Chinese still think this is a greatest mind in the world, what a f*k!!!!!

      • The John

        Wait, as I remember, Confucius left his post in the government, because it was too corrupt. Also, despite your claims, he did not poison chinese minds. In fact, he was brilliant and didn’t believe in blind submissiveness. He also died without fullfilling his desire to inspire morality in a nation he deemed lacking a true moral backbone. Someone needs to get their history straight.

        • FangYao

          His idea is great for individual person, a lot of truth. but the problem is government use it to control others.
          dont give me wrong is great guy, as religion, what happens is the people use it to control others

          • The John

            The only reason why his philosophy is used to control others is because, most people dont understand it. Seriously, most people in China cannot even quote a paraghaph from his his most famous works. Let alone even grasp the meaning of his works. He crafted material that actaully goes againt immoral use of power. ( P.S. The hilarious comment was directed towards Laowai. )

    • The John

      Ha ha ha ha, that was horrible, but hilarious.

  • Chinfans

    did anybody think about China is a Developing country, but US is a DEVELOPED COUNTRY?

    • Yohlee

      But the chinese people keep telling me they’re the greatest country in the world!

    • dani

      But they wouldn’t have been a DEVELOPING one if not for the communist set backs in the first place. Look at South Korea, they were even further behind than China to begin with, but now it’s already surpassed it in terms of lifestyle etc. Don’t get me wrong, I’m Chinese, but it just hurts me to see the people suffer under such a system being ruled by corrupt officals.

    • Jeremiah

      Did anybody think about why this is so?

  • sofa_king

    Elementary school teachers need to start teaching kids how to throw rocks or pop tires.

  • KTR

    theses are hardly luxury cars in the pictures

  • Josh

    “It cannot be denied that the 60s-70s Communist Party was admirable. The Communist Party today is corrupt.”

    How can anyone truly think that the regime that start the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward, the series of anti-rightist campaigns, the expulsion of all foreigners, and used scorched earth against the Vietnamese would be admirable?

    • dingdong

      Looks like someone doesn’t appreciate sarcasm.

  • cmfeirs

    Once again, I hate to input my opinion on what seems an already agreed upon conclusion – children saluting luxury cars (presumably those of government officials but also those of ealthy elites) is clear indoctrination unless as a necessary act to ensure the safety of the children as one post has already suggested. I would rather focus on the corallary issues that this post has given birth to. First, my disclaimer – this post cannot compare the quality of education between two countries. As an educator, the development of a child, both intelectually and morally, does not depend on whether or not a school system provides buses. However, I am intrigued to know if these students salute only cars of officials or of all wealthy persons? Wouldn’t that actually teach children to respect wealth and power the fundamental driving force behind a capitalist society? Wouldn’t it also cause sever damage to a harmonious society if children were taught that they were not equal to others because of wealth, thus inviting them to pursue happiness and respect through the acquisition of said wealth? Another interesting question, as I am a firm believer that China is completely Capitalist controlled by a government that is nothing more than the 21st century equivalent of the Italian mafia and guaranteed to take its standard “percentage” from the local businesses (fugeddaboutit!). But, what seems glaringly obvious to me (and to most Chinese) is never changed. Is it because of this indoctrination? When I discussed this with my students last year, I was amazed at how many of them criticized the way the government operates, but refused to criticize any individuals. Sometimes, they would criticize a group or just say “officials” but they would never take the next step to critically analyze the methods or practices of any individual party members. It is also true that all government officials are corrupt, even in the USA where the last two presidents (and hopefully the current one) will/have nearly faced impeachment and removal from office. Finally, as a sidebar, why would the teachers encourage this behavior if it was not for safety reasons? They must be qualified to understand the thought processes of children, so they must know the lasting effects. Do they agree with it? Do they just do what they are told?

    • FangYao

      the behave is totally understandable for the chinese Confucius idea, younger respect older, lower respect higher position, the end of the day you must follow the order by the higher people, this is deep inside chinese blood for thousand years, check out the history how much kingdoms china had after the first king, less than 10 in these 3000 years, people are being poisoned the idea too long, in the end they think it become truth,everyone admires the f*k idea

      • Chen

        Respect is something different. This is submission. The officials should respect the people, who is paying their salaries.

      • The John

        WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP SHITTING ON CONFUCIUS!?

        First, he was not a blindly submissive person that believed you should “follow” people that are higher. Why? He didn’t do that himself.

        Confucius is the first Chinese thinker to introduce concepts that became fundamental not only to Confucian philosophy but to Chinese philosophy in general. The most important of these are jen (benevolence), yi (propriety), and li (ritual). Confucius believed that the chün-tzu, or “gentleman,” must set the moral example for others in society to follow. The word chün-tzu originally meant “ruler’s son,” but in the Lun yü it refers to the educated “man of virtue,” who was not necessarily an aristocrat. The chün-tzu was expected to follow a set of ethical principles, of which jen, yi, and li were the most important. Jen meant in the Lun yü what has been translated as humaneness or benevolence, a quality a chün-tzu should cultivate and, once acquired, attempt to transfer to others. Li was considered the rules of decorum and ritual that were observed in religious and non-religious ceremonies and, as applied to the chün-tzu, composed his rules of behavior. According to the Lun yü, it was through a knowledge of the li that yi, or propriety, could be attained. Yi represents what is right and proper in a given situation, and the chün-tzu, by observing the ritual and because of his inclination toward goodness, always knows what is right.

        Confucius was basically a humanist and one of the greatest teachers in Chinese history. His influence on his immediate disciples was profound, and they continued to expound his theories until, in the first Han dynasty (206 B.C.-A.D. 8), they became the basis of the state ideology.

        In his famous work, “the gentleman.” Confuscius believed the only person worth following was a person that could set a moral example for his followers. If he couldn’t he wasn’t fit to rule.

        The biggest problem with modern Chinese, is that most of them cannot even describe their own philosophers and their philosophies(sp). Sure, many know of these types of gentleman, but how many really understand them deeply. Then, you have the nerve to talk down on them. Give me a break bro…

        • FangYao

          so explain to me why the first cruel king only choose to represent his kingdom (how many chinese was killed by him), then burn other books and kill the other ideas. wash people’s mind, treat Confucius as religion, so everyone must listen to him.
          Confucius is just a normal guy has some good ideas, nothing better than others, the problem is people who use that to control others……..

          • The John

            Im not talking about what the first emperor did. You cannot blame his actions on Confuscious philosophy. Confucious did not tell him to do those things. Also, remember that China at that time was in a horrible state, NOT because of Confuscious.

            Confucius’ political thought is based upon his ethical thought. He argues that the best government is one that rules through “rites” (lǐ) and people’s natural morality, rather than by using bribery and coercion. He explained that this is one of the most important analects: 1. “If the people be led by laws, and uniformity sought to be given them by punishments, they will try to avoid the punishment, but have no sense of shame. If they be led by virtue, and uniformity sought to be given them by the rules of propriety, they will have the sense of shame, and moreover will become good.” (Translated by James Legge) in the Great Learning (大學). This “sense of shame” is an internalisation of duty, where the punishment precedes the evil action, instead of following it in the form of laws as in Legalism.

            While he supported the idea of government by an all-powerful sage, ruling as an Emperor, probably because of the chaotic state of China at his time, his ideas contained a number of elements to limit the power of rulers. He argued for according language with truth; thus honesty was of paramount importance. Even in facial expression, truth must always be represented. In discussing the relationship between a subject and his king (or a son and his father), he underlined the need to give due respect to superiors. This demanded that the inferior must give advice to his superior if the superior was considered to be taking the wrong course of action. This was built upon a century after Confucius’s death by his latter day disciple Mencius, who argued that if the king was not acting like a king, he would lose the Mandate of Heaven and be overthrown. Therefore, tyrannicide is justified because a tyrant is more a thief than a king. Other Confucian texts, though celebrating absolute rule by ethical sages, recognise the failings of real rulers in maxims such as, “An oppressive government is more feared than a tiger.”

            Some well known Confucian quotes:

            “When you have faults, do not fear to abandon them.”
            知錯能改,善莫大焉。(Lit: To know your faults and be able to change is the greatest virtue.)
            “What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others”
            己所不欲,勿施於人。
            “With coarse rice to eat, with water to drink, and my crooked arm for a pillow – is not joy to be found therein? Riches and honors acquired through unrighteousness are to me as the floating clouds”
            疏食飲水,曲肱而枕,樂在其中矣。不義而富貴,于我如浮雲。

            Does that sound like someone who wants to rule by submissiveness. AGAIN, the reason why his philosophy was used wrongly was because people didn’t understand it. So, it was manipulated. You can’t blame Confucius or his philosophy for the current state of affairs. Blame ignorance…

          • The John

            I can say Confucius is a normal as Einstein. Everyone is a normal person. But, their thinking for their time periods and the great amount of change they caused is great and profound. Hate or love it bro…

            Im just saying, don’t insult Confucius or his philosophy for the state of ignorance a lot of people have.

    • http://cnreviews.com Kai

      cmfeirs,

      I am intrigued to know if these students salute only cars of officials or of all wealthy persons?

      It isn’t clear based upon the information presented in this post and by some commenters. The netizen of the translated post suggests this saluting is done only for government officials driving by. Other sources suggest the kids are taught to do it for any car driving by, ostensibly for safety reasons. If it is for safety, the saluting sounds ridiculously stupid, but I grant it may attract the driver’s attention and keeps the kids on alert for approaching cars.

      When I discussed this with my students last year, I was amazed at how many of them criticized the way the government operates, but refused to criticize any individuals. Sometimes, they would criticize a group or just say “officials” but they would never take the next step to critically analyze the methods or practices of any individual party members

      I think a lot of Chinese people feel the system overall encourages and reinforces corruption. See the translated comment by 事了拂衣, which is reasonably shared by many Chinese people. Given that there are so many corrupt government officials, I imagine its much easier for “government officials = corrupt” to manifest than “so and so = corrupt”. In addition to the “system” perception, there’s just too many to refer to them by their individual names. How do you expect, for example, netizens to all know the same corrupt government officials when they’re split apart by villages, cities, provinces, etc., right?

      Finally, as a sidebar, why would the teachers encourage this behavior if it was not for safety reasons? They must be qualified to understand the thought processes of children, so they must know the lasting effects. Do they agree with it? Do they just do what they are told?

      Presuming this behavior is only done for government officials, I imagine the teachers teach it because they have to as it is handed down from above. You listen to your bosses, right? Are they qualified to understand the thought proceses of children? Heh, I doubt it, but then I doubt that of the vast majority of adults anywhere (we all tend to forget how we used to think as children once we grow up). Do they agree with it? Depends on how it is presented, on their own individual beliefs. I imagine more would buy into the safety idea than the “let’s honor the local government officials” idea, but according to the stories I’ve seen, there seems to be a majority of Chinese who think the whole saluting thing is just silly overall.

  • @@@

    [QUOTE]No matter how rich or how good America is, it is still capitalist! No matter how poor or how bad we are, we are still socialist! Moreover, no matter how much we detest Sanlu, 70km, city managers/inspectors, ZYK phenomenon [Zeng Yike], graft and corruption, etc. we are harmonious! This is something capitalist countries can never match! This is the superiority of socialism![/QUOTE]

    Who said that the form of government dictates how economically stable a country will become??? Hey man, wake up!!! Do you know your country’s history???Might as well study it first before you said something about the difference of socialism with other form of government…Plus, aren’t you stereotyping when you said that America is a capitalist country…lol…do you even know the meaning of capitalism??? hahaha

    • krdr

      Did you read previous comments?

  • Puzzled foreigner

    I hosted some Chinese visitors to Europe last summer and on one of our many day-trips in the vicinity of my home I became aware of an ambulance approaching us from behind. I pulled over to let the ambulance pass, as all the other drivers did. My guests didn’t understand what was going on, so I explained (somewhat baffled that they didn’t understand). Their astonished response was laughter and a question: “Do you always do this?”

    • Somethin Somethin

      well known fact of living in Shanghai. You don’t dial 911 for an ambulance, you call a damn cab and wave 200 kuai in his face to run the lights.

      • SonofSpermcube

        That’s why they’re called “kuai.”

    • Alpaca

      Not one for all this my culture is better than yours rubbish, but I think there’s definitely a deep-rooted problem evident in the ambulance example that needs addressing. I was in Beijing on one of the public footbridges, and saw an ambulance with its lights and siren on trying to get down the cycle lane because the road was chocked full of cars. People didn’t even give it a second look. A number of people on bicycles pushed in front of it. Why? To reach their destinations a few seconds quicker? Madness.

  • 美国就是傻逼

    FU*K you false misleading photos,fool!

  • http://PrimaSetapak.blogspot.com Benson See

    “No matter how rich or how good America is, it is still capitalist! No matter how poor or how bad we are, we are still socialist! Moreover, no matter how much we detest Sanlu, 70km, city managers/inspectors, ZYK phenomenon [Zeng Yike], graft and corruption, etc. we are harmonious! This is something capitalist countries can never match! This is the superiority of socialism!”

    I wish to response to the comment above. How can you say it’s harmonious when migrant workers do not have equal rights and ill treated, crime rates are rising, you don’t get good health care, most of the gov officials are corrupt and all the chinese think is money.

    • Mr. Potato

      Exactly. Which is why this poster’s comments have been pointed out by others to be sarcasm. Chinese people try to be indirect with their criticism in order to circumvent possible repercussions.

      He mentions a lot of embarrassing modern scandals (which cannot be denied) and sums it up with “we are harmonious” (a common cry of protest which mocks government propaganda).

      “This is the superiority of socialism!” Come on. Don’t you see that pointing out all these scandals implies the opposite. He’s trying to get people to open their eyes.

  • occeo

    Why I really don’t like China’s government. Officials just have too much power over other people.

  • http://www.all-auto.ro masini

    It is a cery good thing what hapeend in America

  • http://www.all-auto.ro masini

    It is a very good thing what hapeend in America

  • http://www.all-auto.ro/piese-auto piese auto

    In my country kids walk on schools alone.

  • Haha

    Imagine if Chinese citizens had the power to remove corrupt officials and put new, non corrupt officials in their place…

    If the Chinese citizens had this power, I think officials would do their best for the Chinese instead of themselves because otherwise they would get removed…

  • Syndicalist

    I am from America. We don’t exactly cultivate a culture of freedom here. We do not respect authoritarianism, but we are still enslaved by the giant corporations. Our workers cannot unionize! It is very hard in some places.

    Our local-level democracy is strong, though. Cities are managed very effectively and democratically. We also have initiatives and referendums, which allows the people to vote on laws directly.

  • kodi

    If those kids don’t salute the cars they will get their little asses flattened because in order to salute a car you must be out from under it. It is the only way they can figure out how to stop children from being run over……….

  • SonofSpermcube

    Show this to Mao’s corpse: free energy forever.

  • chabuduoxiansheng

    I’ve never seen them in all the time I’ve been in the southwest. The few times I did see something that resembled a school bus were city buses packed with school children after school was left out. Although I am quite sure that school buses do exist when a school trip or function is organized and the children have to be transported a far distance. However these buses are a far cry from American school buses.

    Anyone else out there with examples from other regions or rural Yunnan/Guizhou?

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