Clinton Rescue Reporters From N.Korea, Chinese Reactions

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American journalists Euna Lee and Laura Ling have been arrested in North Korea since March. A few days ago, former United States president Bill Clinton went to North Korea, obtained a special pardon for them, and brought them back home to America. Many Chinese people were once again impressed and envious of America’s actions to rescue their citizens in trouble. Here are some comments from two BBS forum posts:

From KDS:

I must say, this kind of country, its cohesion is infinite

Their fighting ability has no equal.

Don’t say their weapons are the most advanced in the world.
Even if they use the same weapons as other countries, they would still be all-conquering.

Because what they are defending is freedom, is their own wonderful life, is happiness.

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Comments from KDS:

朱流感骏:

Looking forward to Clinton Airplane Gate.

猛的死揪:

Writing 100 books, filming 1000 movies, sowing 10,000 editorials to ask the citizens to love their country…
none cannot compare to how inspiring this incident is to citizens’ patriotic feelings.

At this very moment, I just want to ask something, is there any country that can defeat them?

社会主义好:

Everyone pursues an American dream. Long live freedom. Long live human rights.

Yuri:

I can ony say, Americans are the real move star, the Oscar is their’s.

逆风飞雪:

We are the primary stage of socialism.

Our country’s situation is not the same, we cannot blindly pursue the same international standards.

Especially when international gas prices drop, we must maintain high gas prices, to save energy and reduce emissions.

PS

May the relevant departments please remember to deposit 5 mao [50 cents] into my account, thank you.

:D

qhz:

Wangshuo says:

What is America? America is a country formed by a big bunch of the world’s oppressed and bullied people who joined together.

我家奂奂:

This post is worth 5 USD [joke that this post has many American version of 50 cent party].

月桂里:

Americans are pretty amazing, even Old Kim needs to give them face.
Being with/having such a boss/leader, so blessed.

仙多:

Oh, I get it, Clinton going to pick up 2 journalists arrested by North Korea is just a show.

07148:

If you were an employee, would you follow a cowardly boss that makes you slave away but when something happens only knows how to hide in the back and scream a few times? Or would you follow a boss that only asks you to work according to his instructions and, when something happens, will help you deal with the problem when something happens?

猪头三:

People, only people can be the judge of history, and the people believe: facts speak louder than words, and no matter how good your propaganda is, it is no match for others honestly making one trip.

小山:

A portion of KDS people think as long as it is America, it is all good. This point I must beg to differ.
We must learn from where America is indeed advanced. As for politics, I believe all regimes/political powers in this world are not bad, just that those with strength can act out in the open, while those without strength must do things in secret/quietly.
That put it bluntly, many of the things America does that appears humanitarian are actually for their own interests, otherwise why do we not see America go rescue the many refugees in Africa, Iraq, or Afghanistan?

奥特MAN:

First you need to understand something, America’s government puts the interests of the American people first.
China’s government puts the interests of China’s Communist Party first.
This is a fundamental difference.
As for Iraq, Africa, Afghanistan? What business is it of mine?!?!

小山:

Are only Americans worthy of having human rights? Africans are not people? Iraq, Afghanistan people are not people?
Since is it like this, why is America always criticizing China’s human rights? Chinese people’s matters are what business of their’s?
America is known as the world’s police, they want a hand in everything, and in the end, isn’t it all for America’s own benefit? For Iraq’s oil, many American soldiers died there, but according to you, you think those soldiers died for the Iraqi people’s human rights?

YPを殺せ:

Every time, we are: 我们来晚了 ["We are late.", a famous thing Premier Wen Jiabao said after the Sichuan Earthquake] *thumbs up*

钱水元:

I don’t whether or not it is just a show. Getting the people back is the inescapable truth. *thumbs up*

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Comments from NetEase:

网易浙江绍兴网友:

I do not understand politcs, but I too am “very happy”.

网易辽宁沈阳网友:

Seeing one’s own past president suddenly appearing before you in a hopeless situation, who could accurately describe this feeling?

网易浙江衢州网友:

You will never have the opportunity to understand [that feeling], because this is China, so if you were abducted by someone, I doubt no high-ranking/important person would come get you.

网易河北廊坊网友:

They must really love their country, because their country really loves them.

网易陕西西安网友:

Not giving up any citizen, even if they are soldiers who have died in battle in a faraway land are brought home regardless of cost. Great America!!!

网易河北石家庄网友:

Truly moves people, truly makes people envious. It must be great to be American.

网易英国网友:

If it were China’s journalists who were arrested, who knows who our great China would send to save them??? I really would like to know the answer, because I am a Chinese person outside of the country, I love my counter, but I am very perplexed…

网易浙江丽水网友:

The feeling I have is that these two people may be important spies, otherwise, just using your brain a little and you would know, why would they make a big fuss over two journalists?
Look at how the two of them have Asian looks, but their husbands look like trained operatives.

网易广东东莞网友:

In China, “the people” are often invoked, but ultimately stepped under foot. No one knows what “the people” are!
In America, the people may not be invoked so loudly and clearly, but even from thousands of kilometers away we too can feel their existence. It is a blessing to be American!!

网易辽宁锦州网友:

TMD, everyone here are idiots!!! Two Asian women, truly TM losing face for Asians! They should have been executed! And TM, married a laowai! Traitor! Americans are currently exploiting traitors for foreign affairs, playing tricks!

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  • bendan

    Some interesting reactions. Odd ones too, as usual.

    • Sunil

      Please people, don’t be ignorant, America has 2.5 million people in its own prisons, what about freedom for them ?

      Its more than China, India and all of Asia combined, its equal to the entire population of new zealand.

      Its a sham a big media propaganda, America is not great, its same as China or India or Uganda.

      They will use this excuse to put more people back in prison, and show to the world how free they are.

      America is a police state, no body is free in America.

      Please don’t burn yourself in the land of ignorants called USA. Nothing is true what you see

      • Joe

        This is a Troll, do not feed it.

      • FangYao

        hey Sunil
        criminal and politic prisoner are totally 2 different things, you are talking nonsense!!!!!!

        • Pei You De Mai Si Ke Lin

          He is right? LOL. It’s completely 100% flipped. Nothing is what it seems, he is right. Police State since you know what. But it’s been on this road for awhile now. It’s not really our fault. We were brainwashed and conditioned. Everything is double think & double speak.

        • Fcuk Da Lu Ren

          “Truly moves people, truly makes people envious. It must be great to be American.”

          Sunil, yes it is :)

      • Kriz

        Before you go on a rant, maybe you should get your facts straight. New Zealand doesn’t have a population of 2.5 million. It’s over 4 million. Get it right before you post.

      • Beware, ignorance afoot!

      • RichWhiteMale

        Sunil, I have to agree with you

        The US government is controlled by rich white men. We will step on any nation we want.

        unfortunately stupid americans believe their politicians (HAHA)

      • TheTruth

        I have to say I kinda agree…

      • M

        I am sure that America has just as many people in prison who shouldn’t be there as any other country in the world. They certainly locked up enough people without trials in Guantanamo.

  • china smacker

    This is a win-win to Kim and Clinton, and definitely a great thing for the two women’s families, but maybe a debt to Obama administration? Anyone can explain this?

    Three Chinese were recently sentenced and put into a jail in US. I wounder whether the Chinese government will do any thing. Probably nothing.

    • chris

      It depends WHAT they were sentenced for. If it was legitimate, why would they come to save them?

      • china smacker

        As far as I remember, Clinton could save them not because the sentence was illegitimate, but a special pardon from Kim Jong II.

        • AwestruckAngel

          Yes, but international law states that if you commit a crime in another country, you are to be tried to that countries laws. Kim is in a different position. He has the world against him in a weak and poverish country. (Yes I said weak, even if he has such a large army it would lose to any country that has an air force cause it doesn’t have one.)

          N. Korea needed something and I’m sure they got it out somehow, even if it was just that picture to let there people thinking there growing stronger by having a U.S. President in there country meeting with him. This is not the case for China. Just like American’s have been jailed here in China, it is different, they committed this crime in a nation we have relations with. We have no relations with that country.

          And I don’t get the debt to the Obama administration either. I don’t see how it is at all.

          • china smacker

            I’m not clear how your first paragraph is related to the “legitimacy” that chris and I were talking about. Trespassing a country without a permission is alway illegitimate no matter how weak and impoverished the country is or how many people are against the country.

            But I questioned the 12 year labor that they were sentenced to because that’s too long if they didn’t conduct spy activities. However, these two women were just lucky. They were not shot on spot (which happened to a trespassing S.Korean woman months earlier on the 38 degree line) because it happened on the border to China AND they have asian faces. As reported, the two women were treated humanely in prison which indicates that from beginning, Kim planned to use them as a chessman to play politics with US. Then after months, a former US president came, got the ladies (and domestic fame which may benefit his wife) and Kim may got some promises (and domestic fame which reinforced the illegitimacy of his dictatorship in the country.)

            It’s hard to make me believe that Kim would let the two ladies go without compensation. How many times he killed or kidnapped people from the other side without a blink of eyes? Kim Jong II is mad for no doubt, but he’s also a genius in politics. He got the bomb, secured his throne in his kingdom, bullied three superpowers around him but still laugh to the end. He’s not a rogue, he’s a super-rogue and a rogue wouldn’t let you tour his house for free. Clinton has no real power to give him anything, thus I suspect Obama made some under-the-table deals with Kim, via representatives on the trip or even before Clinton left US soil.

            BTW, I wonder what Chinese netizens will turn to say if Jiang Zemin went to N.Korea, been scolded by the dictator like a pupil (as seen from a news photo), made some under table trades and got Song Zuying back. THAT would really provoke citizens to a revolution, since what Clinton did will be named as the act of another Li Hongzhang – losing the country’s face even being traitorous.

          • china smacker

            Correction: “reinforced the illegitimacy of his dictatorship” should have legitimacy :)

  • gth793y

    Oh, Bill, is there anything you can’t do.

    Though I’d imagine Fox news would headline: “Bill Clinton Came Home With Two Asian Chicks”

  • SAMSONG

    Good old America.

    I love how ppl keep on try to bring down America by citing War on Iraq this and that. W/e the case is, America still care for her citizens and have a moral obligation to the world ten times (if not a hundred or thousand) more than China as facts show.

    • Mogambo

      That’s the problem isn’t it? You care about your citizens very much, except you don’t give a shit about the millions of dead/displaced/injured civilians in Iraq while trampling thoughout the world.

      • mike

        im pretty sure there were far more innocent iraqis killed by other iraqi’s bombs etc than were ever killed by american troops.

        • colin

          i wonder what it is like to be pretty sure of things that are completely wrong

          is it nice, or does the cognitive dissonance creep up and occasionally unsettle you like seeing something in your peripheral vision and you look and bam it’s gone

          tell me about being you mike

  • DWR

    I love the “execute the Asian women for losing face for Asian people!” comment. Priceless!

    I’m more than a bit cynical about these overly-choreographed “getting off the ‘plane, returning to the arms of relatives” moments, but – by the looks of the comments above – they are quite effective propaganda! :P

    DWR

  • dudemeisdtwr

    i bet they had a blowjob party with some interns of Kim’s and all was good :)

  • ic

    So naive! Chinese do not understand politics.

  • krdr

    I was looking forward for this story!

    This is a media stunt. Obama popularity is declining. Saving some “citizens” are the best way for his administration to gain some points and to show “new approach” in foreign affairs. We all know what USA got. What N.Korea will get is much more interesting. A money, a food, a batch of latest Hollywood movies? I can bet peaceful power transition is on of them.

    I’m disappointed that comments on BBS was very dull, focused on USA care for their citizens. It is more PR than “care”. If USA care for them, Al Gore would never send them to N.Korea border. He would calculate risk of that action, or at least, reporters would be briefed about precautions.

    I’m so disappointed…

    • Alikese

      Why would you be disappointed? Shouldn’t the world find out about the human rights violations in North Korea? And how do you expect to learn these things without journalists traveling to the area and interviewing refugees who crossed the border?

      It wasn’t some wide, sweeping move by Al Gore to send these women over the border to NK, they are adults and journalists who knew the risks.

      Your antipathy towards the Democratic party should not cloud your view of every move that the government makes.

      • krdr

        I’m disappointed by comments of Chinese netizens. As I’m not US citizen, I don’t care about Democrats vs. Republicans. Clintons and Bushs had same foreign politics. In my perspective, they are same.

        Obama tries to change how US deals with FA and this stunt should prove that. But, as they say: You cannot teach old dogs new tricks.

    • Jay K

      Al Gore sent them there okay because there were clues that “Man Bear Pig” was operating in the region

  • http://www.sun-zoo.com/chinageeks/ ChinaGeeks

    krdr: Your response is pretty dumb. For one, I feel certain that any reporter (or anyone who is literate, for that matter) is well aware of the dangers of being near the North Korea border. I’m sure Current TV briefed them, but it’s not like staying on the China side of the border is generally dangerous anyway. I’ve been there a couple times and never been kidnapped.

    Also you realize that (1) Al Gore is no longer involved in politics and that (2) he’s just the founder of the TV station they work for, right? He certainly didn’t personally give them that assignment, and it’s ridiculous to call the whole thing a stunt. Sure, it’s good PR, but it’s also just the right thing to do. In the absence of any evidence that it is actually a stunt, why not give them the benefit of the doubt?

    • Mike Fish

      So true Chinageek… why is it so hard for some people to comprehend that sometimes weird stuff happens, stuff nobody was planning on, and the only one to fix it is with the famous US president feeding the ego of the crazy dictator whose xenophobic border guards hopped into China to kidnapp two US journalists. It sounds crazy, but NK is a crazy place; this incident, when compared to kidnapping Japanese teenagers, giant pyramid shaped skyscrapers that stand vacant for decades, subways to nowhere, etc. Reality is always far more bizarre than fiction.

    • krdr

      1) I didn’t call whole thing the stunt.
      2) I didn’t said this isn’t a “right thing to do”
      3) I said that this was good opportunity for good PR.
      4) I said that I was disappointed by comments that was only focused on China vs. USA, and didn’t go deeper.
      5) Who owns a TV station is involved in politics in this or that way. I never watched that TV (no signal in Serbia), but I assume that they support Democrats.
      6) Journalists cannot just pack their things and go anywhere. They are usually sent to investigate, or they need to get approval.
      7) For me, it is somewhat strange for US journalist to investigate trafficking in N.Korea, and not in USA or Canada or from Mexico. Except if they investigate trafficking from NK to US. In that case, something is wrong in US.
      Disclaimer:
      I’m not supporting trafficking in any way.
      I’m supporting journalists right to seek for truth and to publish the truth.
      I’m supporting human rights as defined in The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
      I’m not native english speaker. Any comments about my spelling and language use are, at least, uncivilized.

  • daesong

    “And TM, married a laowai! Traitor! Americans are currently exploiting traitors for foreign affairs, playing tricks!”

    Wow, looking pretty medieval there guys

  • Jaime de la Esperanza

    I’ll be a lot more impressed when Americans start looking out for those other than members of the fourth estate. As far as Chinese being “impressed” that any Americans “saved” these people, do they not know that the U.S. military (and it’s various tentacles) have imprisoned dozens of journalists since the start of the Iraq War?

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/24/world/fg-iraq-journalist24

    No less an authority than the President of the AP has stated that the US military arrests journalists in and near “war zones” to control information.

    Furhtermore! The always informative China Law Blog just did a post about kidnapped Americans who didn’t get the Clinton touch:

    http://www.chinalawblog.com/2009/07/china_hostage_situation_when_m.html

    Wake up. The U.S. government didn’t do this out of altruism. The North Koreans don’t give a flying fuck about Bill, Hillary, or even George Clinton. Both sides got to look “better” – North Korea in a typically perverse way, but still – for being involved in this.

    And if there was so much goodness flowing about when all this went down, why did North Korea refuse to deal with Al Gore? They instead wanted a bigger Kahuna, all the more to make them look more important.

    I am not knocking the Chinese. Well, not totally. I can guess that having grown up completely outside of a the nuances of western politics, and under the hammer and nail shadow of CCP dictates, this looks pretty good. But, any of you who have a bit more understanding of things, golly, can you be more naieve?

    added: WTF? I just got a smarmy message saying my comment seemed a bit “spammy”? Don’t you dillweeds recognize links in your comments section? Okay, i took out some of the links, all of which were to sites like the associated press, upi, etc, and were about journalists detained by US forces in Iraq and Afganistan.

    • LOLZ

      Err.. this post makes too much sense, and is actually well referenced. What a buzz kill..

    • Mike Fish

      Jaime,

      Are “Americans” as a group responsible for the journalist situation in Iraq? Since some of those detained journalists are even Americans themselves, aren’t they then by your logic responsible for their own detention? Yeah the US government is hypocritical, creates problems, and often just sits back and watches when the real shit goes down, but that doesn’t mean when other Americans try to fix problems that they aren’t sincere. Besides, who cares what their motives are. BTW… where are you from? A country that doesn’t do the same? Of course anyone can criticize America, and maybe your country’s mistakes are not part of this issue, I’d just love to know a little bit more about “where you are coming from” since you are painting such broad strokes with your comment brush.

    • Sunil

      I agree, people are born ignorant, we all are, its all knowledge that can save us, think deep, read, analyse, discuss, read different blogs, do not depend upon the TV media for information then only we will know the truth.

  • yuan

    You guys have to understand there are two types of people in the US. Those who love journalists, and thsoe who hate them. Generally speaking (though it is not always the case) republicans hate journalists and don’t give a flying fuck about them. The army also hates journalist. I know. When the army recruiter tried to recruit me, I told him I was going to be a journalist. They’ve left me alone to this day. Meanwhile my friends are still being harassed every week.

    On the other hand, people with more liberal leanings like journalists and value them above all. They’re more willing to go to other countries to help rescue them and send them to third world countries.

    In short, that’s why journalists in Iraq are uncared for and ignored. The military hates them. Reporters make them look bad. They interview the victims of war and report the number of people who’ve died daily. Something the military would prefer to keep secret.

    • LOLZ

      “Generally speaking (though it is not always the case) republicans hate journalists ”

      That’s not true! Conservatives love the “journalists” on FOXNEWS.

      “people with more liberal leanings like journalists and value them above all.”

      Liberals love journalists, just not the ones from FOXNEWS, or when they start to question Obama.

    • bert

      Stupid post Yuan!

      BTW, I hate journalist that take chances and then cry when they get in a pickle. They are not the saviours that they think they are.

      • yuan

        At least they have the balls to try. What do you have sitting in front of a computer all day?

    • Mike Fish

      Three kinds… you forgot the vast majority of people who don’t care what a journalist is, don’t read newspapers, or have any clue what’s going on in the world.

  • RickB

    American citizens travel the world freely. And they are celebrated for marrying anyone they fall in love with. If they get into trouble, their country comes to their rescue.

    Chinese citizens are locked within their heavily guarded borders. Few can escape. If they marry foriegners, their countrymen wish them dead. If they come back, they are insulted. If they get into trouble, they are considered idiots and left to rot.

    Why the difference? Look at the foundation. On what principles was each country established? What are the fundamental beliefs?

    Maybe it’s time for a deep change.

    • LOLZ

      “Chinese citizens are locked within their heavily guarded borders. Few can escape. If they marry foriegners, their countrymen wish them dead. If they come back, they are insulted. If they get into trouble, they are considered idiots and left to rot.”

      Aren’t you projecting your own twisted fantasy there RickB? While I don’t think too many Chinese women needs to be rescued from the likes of you, why would anyone wish them to be dead even if you were to pick one up?

      Speaking of foundations, the biggest difference between Chinese women marrying Chinese and Chinese women marrying foreigners is the much higher divorce rate of the later group.

      • Josh

        Yeah, I’m sure he fantasizes about the death of all Chinese women because they married a foreigner. Maybe you missed this comment:

        “TMD, everyone here are idiots!!! Two Asian women, truly TM losing face for Asians! They should have been executed! And TM, married a laowai! Traitor! Americans are currently exploiting traitors for foreign affairs, playing tricks!”

    • Kevin

      What change are you talking about? Open the border to all Chinese ,so they can travel the world freely as Americans? Actually, US and Europeans government supports a China with closed border. Just think about the consequences with open borders. 500 million Chinese going to US to pursue the American dream? The shitty American economy would never be able to afford that

      • Josh

        Actually, border restrictions are a violation of our human rights. If 500 million Chinese people went to the U.S., they would be self-sustaining and the American economy wouldn’t need to “afford” anything. Some would become beggars, sure — but probably no more than the existing percentage of the population that begs and is therefore not self-sustaining.

        Besides, if America did open its borders to the world, it wouldn’t mean that the entire world would come to America, because the carrier services to get there (boats, planes, cars) would skyrocket in price due to the increased demand.

  • Henry

    Are these girls heroes? Do we really need reporters sneaking into North Korea to tell us that the human rights situation is horrible there? Don’t we already know that? The truth is, they put the U.S. in a politically compromised position at a crucial time, and Kim Jung-il will expect something in return for letting them go.

    That being said, I will admit that I don’t know exactly what they did that got them captured. However, it seems like they were irresponsible. Plenty of tourists check out the North Korea border and they don’t get kidnapped.

    • Teacher in China

      Agreed Henry. They had no business being there really, except to try to sneak in or something. Not sure what they were thinking. I’ve been there, and the border is pretty damned secure – not sure how they thought they would get through unnoticed. Just like those “hikers” in Iraq / Iran, I get the impression these two are just brainless.

    • Mike Fish

      Guys… is really too hard to believe that two obviously foreign journalists(do they even seem like locals up there? NO WAY!) snooping around on the China side where there are thousands of North Koreans and plenty of NK agents(just visit Changchun and you’ll see) got informed on. You don’t think the border guards have let the poor local farmers, who themselves are “Korean”, know about the reward for reporting if they see any Americans near the border, especially journalists. A quick phone call to the border guards for a few months salary, the guards, dressed as locals(or even in uniform), hop across the border, ignored by the local cops and farmers, and take the two to NK. I’ve lived near there, it’d be easy. The tourists only go to certain spots. There are few if any American tourists outside of those few places.

      • Teacher in China

        Mike, I guess they could obviously not be locals to that specific area, but I don’t know that they were “obviously foreign”. China has so many different looking people, I’m sure they could have easily blended in as Chinese. Unless, of course, they were speaking English the whole time; in which case, again, they are stupid. If your whole plan is to try to sneak up to the border, or do whatever their their plan was, you would think you would really try your hardest to blend in, which would be way easier for them to do than a 6’2″ pale whitey like myself.

        As for the other part of your argument, I’m not sold on that 100%, but I see where you’re coming from.

        • http://danwei.ning.com/profile/Spelunker Spelunker

          The one who escaped capture at the Tumen River border, Mitch Koss, is a pale whitey just like you Teach! He got away along with the ethnic Korean local guide who took them there.

      • Fish Head

        >Guys… is really too hard to believe that two obviously foreign journalists(do they even seem like locals up there? NO WAY!) snooping around on the China side where there are thousands of North Koreans and plenty of NK agents(just visit Changchun and you’ll see) got informed on.

        Obviously you know shit since they weren’t even captured near Changchun. As for “believing” what NK guards did, fantasizing doesn’t count. Here’s the two journos admission that they crossed over:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/world/asia/07korea.html

        • Mike Fish

          Fish Head,

          Don’t get your panties in a knot… I only said it was possible. BTW, anyplace near the NK border is relatively close to Changchun. Finally, you shouldn’t come up with a name that makes it seem like you’re felating me. Thanks but no thanks.

    • yuan

      Do you think journalists can just ignore their boss then they “offer them a chance” to go to North Korea? It’s that or lose their jobs. Journalism isn’t just a sit there and hope for a promotion, you take risks or you gain nothing. They didn’t do it for fame, if it happens it happens. You do your job and hope you don’t get fired.

      • Teacher in China

        Seriously? Sure you can say no. If your boss tells you “You have to go into North Korea without permission and risk your lives for my newspaper” you can totally say no. If you get fired for it, you can sue him up the ass. If you agree to go in illegally, you’re stupid. Plain and simple.

        • Jamar

          Except that it’s totally plausible that they were dragged over from the Chinese side.

    • VeerLeft

      We will understand a lot more shortly I am sure. NK has a documented history of this sort of behaviour.

  • zhuan

    Another example of how weak and pathetic the US has become.

    How can it call itself a “super power”?

    With Obama and the Clintons running the country for the next four years, the world will see how easy it is for little countries to challenge and resist the US.

    Slick Willy better keep his bags pack because three US “hikers” were recently captured “hiking” in Iran.

  • LOLZ

    My favorite comment of the bunch:

    “Look at how the two of them have Asian looks, but their husbands look like trained operatives.” LOL.

    Bill Clinton is the bomb. Al Bore and Bush could not have accomplished this, that’s for sure. He should make any American proud.

    As for the journalists, they wanted the experience and they got it. This is by far the best career boost for the two otherwise unremarkable journalists. Although we all know that living in N.K sucks already, now we will get a perspective on how N.K treats locked up western journalists. I smell multi-million dollar book deals coming!!

  • PUSAN PLAYA

    As long as they didn’t release any of the Japs they kidnapped I’m cool with this.

  • brzr

    White, model-looking guy on the left has CLEARLY never been to Asia. No other explanation for why he’s married to the most monkey-looking Chink I’ve ever seen. No wonder Laura Ling (note: “Ling” means monkey in the thai language) never had any career before and her sister who (tho weird looking as well) is at least better looking was able to marry a guy at ABC and got herself on The View.

    The other “white” guy (looks like a wetback) married the most housewife-looking middle aged gook.

    • LOLZ

      Can we all agree that in general the good looking white asian-philes usually end up with average/below average asian women, while the hot asian women usually end up with nerdy looking asian men in fancy sports cars?

    • Mike Fish

      brzr means “dog twat” in Cambodian! damn… yeah I said it!

    • irinuru

      What’s your problem? did you forget to pull that stick out of your ass last night?

  • brzr

    sorry, that’s “model-looking guy on the right”

  • Pei You De Mai Si Ke Lin zai le wo

    OMG wtf.

    Hardcore dudes on this website.

  • Mike Fish

    The comment with praise for the Chinese government followed by a request for 5 mao payment is so brilliant. Did everone get that sarcasm in the original comment? I’m being sarcastic, or facitious actually, right now too.

  • Pei You De Mai Si Ke Lin zai le wo

    Who knows, maybe the guy likes to be dominated in bed by monkey looking chinks.

  • Pei You De Mai Si Ke Lin zai le wo

    Hey, i’m sure they are glad they are not spending 12 years in hell on earth. I think pimp daddy bill deserve some kind of reward.

  • Peteryang

    Gore was up for the mission but apparently Kim wanted Clinton to come because he almost succeeded in normalizing relations with the North by his second term, then Bush screwed up the whole effort.

    Saving the two was a secondary objective, conveying Obama’s conditions was primary. I notice that Kim smiled in one photo and he hasn’t smiled for years which suggests that both US and North compromised (or willing to) on terms, good for them but bad for China.

  • Andaloo

    Is there any doubt that the Chinese President would have done the same…?

  • Stuey

    “Every time, we are: 我们来晚了 ["We are late.", a famous thing Premier Wen Jiabao said after the Sichuan Earthquake] *thumbs up*”

    Fauna, you might have missed an extra meaning to this. It’s also what Zhao Ziyang said to the students on the square in 1989: “同学们,我们来得太晚了,对不起同学们了”
    ..and Wen Jiabao was there at the time, I think.

    • FangYao

      love your comment!!!
      only one thing needs to classified, zhao ziyang’s he really mean it there is some different with wen’s.

  • http://asdf tk 4 life

    Clinton = Super Niu B. He is the OG pimp that is all.

  • YS

    Thank you, Mr. Clinton, we love to see that

  • FangYao

    above some of the comments super shitty, why use someone’s looking and race to criticize what they did? superficial + Nazi
    as result bill did save these 2 journalists, he do help the people, whatever the show you called, he still win the respect.
    these 2 journalists they got a big lesson, it is fair enough to what they have been thrown, why we still need to attack them??? it is the US media, they love the drama….
    as Chinese to see this news, only feeling for me is very disappoint to our government.

  • Brigitte Poischen

    We all long to be loved and cared for, to be shielded and protected, to be appreciated and respected – this is the America we know and love (we have lived in the US for approx. 20 years), this is a very fine example of unconditional love of a country for its citizens,of the original AMERICAN IDEA…

  • Non Banana Chinese

    I hate ‘banana’ Asians, especially ‘banana’ Chinese, does not matter be they Americans, Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians. They are worse than their white counterparts~typically trying to be whiter than the real whites kind. I guess these 2 are really spies using their Asian faces to facilitate easy blending into the crowd while in China. The N Koreans should have shot them & return their ashes instead or exchanged them with real captured N Korean spies instead of so easily giving them away for the sake of ‘face’. It is time to treat the whites with more hardlined policies like Malaysia’s Mahathir who does not hesitate to hang white Aussie drug traffickers despite all the pleads from Australia; or like S’pore’s Lee Kuan Yew who flogged that nasty white kid who defaced cars on open streets.

    • daesong

      This is what morons actually believe.

    • heybro

      Ha. Play the numbers game. Compare population and distribution of “banana chinese” versus “others”. I believe the plan oute be us getting together all in one place and scream death to amerika, what do you say. We should make the ground tremble with our shouts! You fucking idiot.

  • fireworks

    All countries have their own media regulations and their own control and propaganda. Obviously, these journalists knew what they could and couldn’t put to the media and they still went in there and did time. Clinton is doing this so he can get his wifey into the Presidency after Obama’s done with his 2 terms.

    Yes, why do some people get their jockstrap in a twist. Who cares if the journalists’ husbands is white. Count it as an cultural export from China.

    • Peteryang

      I believe they are Korean Americans.

  • Peteryang

    Chances are, Clinton must have brought some incentives that made Kim think it’s worthwhile to abandon its good old friend China and talk directly to the US, amongst these incentives are economic ones that could help consolidate his hold on power, just like how the CCP saved its ass by choosing to adopt market economy 30 years ago. The North’s withdrawal from the 6-party talks was a curtain-up for the soon 2-party talks, one that won’t involve China.

  • CBA

    I am not an “ABC”. I am a “CBA” – Chinese-born American. I reject the label banana because I am not “white” on the inside. I am “American” on the inside; American culture is not “white” culture. Therefore, calling me a banana is inaccurate. Calling me Chinese is even more inaccurate (“Chinese” is a 98-year-old constructed concept) – I am of Han race and American culture. So, Mr. Non Banana Chinese, go get stuffed and learn your vocabulary and history.

    • LOLZ

      It’s too bad that no matter where you are and what culture you think you aspire to, many if not most of the white folks in the US still think of you as just another FOB who speaks good english based on your race.

      • AwestruckAngel

        This is where your intelligence lacks. Americans don’t look at people that way. If I met CBA today even in China and he began speaking English to me without an accent, I would instantly say “Your from the states aren’t you?”

        Let me remind you America has no official language even though English is the most spoken, because it is made of of cultures from all around the world. That’s what makes it a beautiful country..oh wait, isn’t that what 美国 means =P

        All of you can hate as much as you want, but what Bill did was a good thing. Simple as that.

        • LOLZ

          You have gotten to be kidding me right? I am an ABC and I spend about 65% of the time traveling because of my job. In the US I get asked why my English is “so good” all the time, especially in central states. You see, Asian in the US are never ever treated as Americans even if we would like to think we are. How many movies have you seen which portrays Asian males as Americans? I can name only two: Harold and Kumars series. In coastal cities on the East and West it’s a lot better but once you get to a place where there are less asians around you will be treated as a FOB (fresh off the boat) 1st generation immigrant trying to steal jobs from the locals.

          In Asia its not so much different. Even if I tell the people I am from America people tend to ask questions like “No where are you REALLY from”?

          Think about this: If are you are a black guy and you tell others that you are an American will people still insist on asking you “Which part of Africa your family hails from”?

          • AwestruckAngel

            No, I’m not kidding you at all and I truly have to disagree with you. Not out of spite but actually being an American. Yes I am from the East coast, which you mentioned was better, because I have never seen this attitude your portraying for the most part. And I also know it’s not existent on the west side because they have such a high Asian population.

            I can however possibly see this in central U.S. BUT they are like that for different reasons. With the population of minorities pushing in on the east and western coastal lines, the census bureau has showed Caucasians (white) people have moved more south and into more central parts of the country. I am not Caucasian so you are talking a minority and I have never been treated this way.

            That reason “where are you really from” is the typical Chinese response my Chinese-American friends get here. I’m sorry, I honestly just don’t believe you. I have never once seen this. AND the whole black thing, not at all would people say “No really, what part of Africa are you from”. Dude, that is a long shot seriously. Were past that, we had Martin Luther King. But I can see your point in the central states.

          • sofa_king

            You should try telling people in China that you’re Japanese. That’s real fun.

          • Mike Fish

            Places with differnt kinds of people are used to different kinds of people, places with few kinds of people are only used to those few kinds. There are places in American with 99% white population, where seeing a black person would be stranger than seeing an elephant riding a bike down the street. There are also places in America with 99% non-white population, where seeing a white person would be even stranger than seeing two elephants riding a tandem bike down the street. So, if people don’t usually see Asian-Americans, they haven’t lived on the East or West Coast, and then they see some, they might be inclined to assume they are foreigners. I’ve lived in China for a LONG time. I speak Mandarin fluently. I get the whole foreigners can’t speak Chinese teatment all the time. I understand it’s because they haven’t met other foreigners who speak Chinese. I don’t freak out, and I’ve never whined about it like some people on here.

            LOLZ
            Oh yeah… there are more and more truely American “East Asian” characters on TV and in the movies; the guy on Dexter and the guy on Mentalist are excellent examples.

          • Jamar

            I’m also an ABC, have lived in the South (Tennessee, to be precise) long-term and have never gotten the reactions you describe. Even in China (been to Lijiang, Guilin, Beijing and live in Shanghai) people will more readily accept me if I say I’m American rather than say I’m local. Heck, when I shop around Jing An Temple one person’s first reaction was to start speaking Japanese to me thinking I’m a tourist.

    • bleah

      > I am of Han race […]
      Ethnic group, not race.

    • Non Banana Chinese

      ABC or CBA or any other shit, you all just low class dogs as far as white Americans are concerned. Do you think having a few Elain Chows or Gary Locks will change the status of ABC or CBA in the eyes of the whites? Day-dreaming! They just want you guys to fool the authentic Chinese into giving more geopolitical concessions & your so-called uplifted status is only being enhanced by the rise of China, not because you are Americans! It would be interesting to see how they would treat you guys when it comes to blow between China & US~may be they would put all you ABC, CBA or other shits into concentration camps again like what they did to Japanese Americans during WW2. Really pathetic!

      • heybro

        I’m not ABC or CBA, whatever fuck. But all I’m saying is we should not even try to assimilate and instead just get together in one place?…LOL. In some sort of camp.

        I agree with you sometimes. Sometimes shit seems so real. But it really is not that bad. What do you expect?

        I really don’t care about what white america thinks. I just know there are cool people, mean people, weirdos, freaks, losers, fuckers, assholes, killers, thugs, pimps, and hos. And sometimes they may seem to come at you as one but I just take whatever life throws at me. You know, FUCK the world.

        • heybro

          it could just be me though because I can get pretty delusional at times.

      • Jamar

        To put it simply, they wouldn’t even think about doing such a thing again. People would bail for neutral countries in the blink of an eye.

      • honestlydickily

        NBC – your mother’s.

        I’ve gotten more shit in three months in Asia for being ABC from Han people then I have the rest of my life from white people in the States.

        I am an American. Unlike the billion people in China, there’s an implicit choice in being one – that’s what happens when your country isn’t based on race but on certain enlightenment ideals.

        Up until 2003 General Shinseki, a Japanese-American, was the chief of staff for the American military. Can you imagine a Japanese-Chinese person leading the PLA? Can you imagine a Japanese-Chinese person not getting his ass kicked every day? Maybe if nationalists like you actually bothered to learn about the States, people would believe CPC propaganda about being a “responsible power.”

        And to your douchey comment on conflict-

        If our politicians failed to the point of war, Asian-Americans would fight for their country; only an ignorant idiot with no concept of what America is would even ask. At America’s worst, the internment camps – and apparently the only piece of American history you bother to learn – the 442nd was the most decorated unit in the history of American warfare.

        Good luck getting the Tibetans, Uighurs, or even the Taiwanese to do the same for China. That is, when the Chinese government isn’t trying to wipe them off the map.

  • Rick in China

    The first comment is awesome. Clinton Airplane Gate, wouldn’t it be awesome if somehow footage ended up on youtube of clinton getting head from the two journalists on the return flight? I’d only have more respect for the man.

    • LOLZ

      Consider what Clinton did for them, I for one would not be surprised if the husbands gave Clinton BJs as well.

  • http://twitter.com/nefarli Nefarli

    Bill Clinton doesn’t look too happy…

  • http://laowaiink.blogspot.com Mark

    These girls aren’t heroes but they are courageous. They knew the risks, they took the risks, they got bitten, and then they got saved. They deserve props for trying but they’re not world-changers. The real star is Bill Clinton- I’m not a big fan of the dude but he rocks the block with this ballsy move. Probably promised Kim a date with Paris Hilton or something. Either way he got results pretty darn fast, I was quite surprised. I was expecting him to trudge home crestfallen and empty-handed but give the man a cigar…um, wait….

    • Teacher in China

      If you believe what you read in the newspapers, Bill actually did nothing. All the negotiating was done by other people, he just reaped the rewards. Not sure that’s accurate, but it’s worth pointing it out I guess.

      I still don’t agree about the journalists (sorry if I sound like a broken record) – it was just irresponsible.
      Them getting caught could have resulted in US having to really lick NK ass to get them out, something they maybe didn’t want to do. Maybe they had to make a concession they didn’t want to make. Especially when you consider how rocky everyone’s relationship has been with that country for the last 6 months, it was just reckless and stupid for them to try anything. You gotta think about the bigger picture sometimes when you’re dealing with a country like that. To me, the reporters and the newspaper were just really selfish, only thinking about what they could gain out of the story.

  • http://deleted CABABCSRWYALL

    why don’t yall just be happy for those journalists, reuniting with their families is one thing that should touch any human being’s heart.

    regardless of any circumstances,but on the other hand if net-jerks ain’t online squabbling,prowling and vocab-thuging each other,how else would “chinasmack” grow?hahaha

    hit a break on it,douche bags.

  • AwestruckAngel

    CABABCSRWYALL, I agree with what your saying and myself, as an American, and grateful to know my country really will stand behind me. But we “Teacher in China” is also right, what they did was wrong. For there own personal gain and story, they disobeyed their direct orders superiors and went into the country causing a massive issue for America all during a time that this country is experimenting with nuclear explosives. It’s a serious shame on them regardless. They deserved to eat rocks and rice for the time they did to teach them to abide by the rules. They’re 36 years old, they should be setting an example by now.

  • http://www.asianramblings.com Stevo

    >> The North Koreans don’t give a flying fuck about Bill, Hillary, or even George Clinton.

    Best line ever.

  • Henry

    Well, it’s official. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/world/asia/07korea.html

    They entered North Korea on their own while conducting journalistic research. Whether they knew they were crossing into North Korea remains to be seen, though it seems very probable. And it’s also probable that the North Korean guards were on high alert, waiting for these reporters to slip-up.

    Between the moron who swam over to Aung Sang Suu-Kyi, the Americans who crossed over into Iran from Iraq recently and got detained, and these women, I would say that Americans (and I am one of them) need to think more before they act.

  • http://www.asianramblings.com Stevo

    Yes, a stupid act. In light of previous arrests for border crossings and North Korean kidnappings it seems utterly stupid on their part. But Super Bill saved them. What would the result have been if Dubya had tried?

    If I was detained the Canadian government wouldn’t do shite, other than send Kim Jong II a polite letter and perhaps some maple syrup.

  • Somethin Somethin

    “The feeling I have is that these two people may be important spies, otherwise, just using your brain a little and you would know, why would they make a big fuss over two journalists?
    Look at how the two of them have Asian looks, but their husbands look like trained operatives.”

    I nearly pissed myself laughing at this, then I read all the America bashing comments and I stopped. Funny because I had a friend say the same thing the other day about how she thought those two girls were really spies for Obama.

  • Jen in NY

    As an American, I felt so happy and proud when Laura and Euna came home with Bill Clinton. There was a lot of pressure (public and private) from American citizens to get these young women home, I believe.
    .
    Plus, while Laura’s sister Lisa Ling would not be considered an A-list celebrity, she has many powerful friends in the media: Barbara Walters, Oprah Winfrey, Meridith Viera. These kinds of contacts are essential to put the right kind of pressure on the government to get those women home.
    .
    I can’t speak for all Americans, of course, but everyone I know and associate with truly cares about the welfare not only of our people, but of everyone’s people. Obviously there are exceptions, but Liberal America really does believe that every person on earth is equal and should have equal rights. We also love a good story, and Bill Clinton swooping in to save these two young ladies is a great story. Americans absolutely hate seeing their citizens trapped by other countries (although we have many struggling citizens here at home who are ignored by the government).
    .
    My husband and I have a beautiful, intelligent, amazing daughter we adopted from China in 2003. We live in a small town, predominantly Caucasian, in the greatest state of New York. Our daughter is one of several adopted Chinese girls living in this small town. She is a superstar at school, easily the best in her class. She was reading fluently at 4.5 years old. She once said, when she was about 3, that while her dad and I are Caucasian, she herself is “regular Asian.” We will raise her to love both America and her birth country. I hope she won’t be hurt by people calling her “banana” or “Twinkie”, but I know she probably will be. I will teach her that there are assholes in every race, color, size, nationality, etc., and the best thing for her to do is avoid these assholes!
    .
    I mention this only because I love the Chinese people and the Chinese culture even though I don’t understand Chinese politics. People and arts/culture are what matter, not government, in my opinion. Chinese government is corrupt, but so is the American government. I think the majority of people in both countries is good-hearted. That is how I was raised by my American parents, and that is how I will raise my China-born daughter.

    • bprichard

      You have a very happy view of the world. If people could be forced to reflect, they might appear to be good-hearted, but most people generally act out of narrow self-interest and limited experience that leads them to classify too many people as part of the other.

      I’m not saying that people don’t have good in them, only that nature consists of competition for scarce resources, and the greed, fear and anxiety this creates are pretty essential human motivators. People are definitely social animals, so it’s much harder for us to betray whomever we consider to be in our inside group. But you still see frequent examples of people knowingly doing things to hurt people who are closest to them.

      And governments make it even worse. Give people power over others and a lack of transparency and marvel at the indefensible things they do. The US has certainly not been a great steward for the world in its time as the leading world power, but I doubt any state given that degree of power would have behaved substantially better.

      The good thing is that due to better mobility and communication technology, people are much more able to connect with people they would never have been able to encounter in the past. So maybe our in groups will expand. It’s still not going to change our basic nature, though.

  • RichWhiteMale

    America = White nation

    Chinks should get FKed

  • Anon

    Looks like some people forgot about how great the American President was in giving a damn about black people in New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina struck. It also seems apparent that they also forgot how the Chinese soldiers reacted in the Sichuan Earthquake and how they are reacting to the Typhoon at the moment. Such short memories.

    RichWhiteMale. HAHAHA. 死鬼仔返屋企啦! Haha, can’t read that? It’s because you’re a potato nigger.

  • Wil

    They work for Al Gore’s little media division. If you worked for any other American employer you think those white shit would save you? Not unless you owned a couple acres of oil fields.

  • God

    THINKING LIKE COCKROACHES
    LIVING LIKE COCKROACHES in a RUBBISH BIN called CHINA
    Is it what you learn at university?

  • Professor Sillypants

    Yes, it’s certainly great to be American – even though everyone thinks that’s a sin.

  • Dan

    I was very moved at the Chinese impression of the view Chinese have of the American rescue of the two journalists. It is good to be an American but as one American that loves China very much I have seen great things in China also. You have as much to be proud of and hopeful for as we do. Americans are not the only ones in the world with goodness and great pride in their leaders trying to do the right thing even though both make many mistakes.

  • Chen

    Obviously, the people who go on and on about this same thing in almost every post have problems of their own.

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