Electricity Prices Increasing, Chinese Netizen Complains

china-checking-electricity-meterFrom Mop:

Is 87 kW·h enough for your use?

I heard that homes won’t be able to use more than 87 du [the amount of electricity used when the meter advances by one number, kilowatt-hour], if you use more that that you’re charged more! I ask whoever decided on that number, where did you come up with that standard? Has he calculated how many electrical appliances his house has! If he’s in his eighties and lives in the middle of nowhere, I guess we can forgive him for deciding on 87 kW·h.

Now let me tell him how much electricity a normal person uses in a month. Let’s use my house an an example: around ten lights of various sizes; two air conditioners; a computer, a rice cooker; an electric jug; a water heater, etc, I won’t include small appliances, and in actual fact I don’t use the air conditioner much. To the guy who decided on 87 kW·h, you work out how many kW·h I use in a month. These are appliances that any regular city dweller has, and I tell you brother, in a month I spend about 120 – 200 yuan, here I’m charged 0.53 yuan per kW·h, you work out how many kW·h that is. So, brother, don’t make it 87 kW·h. If you want to make money, don’t get it off us average Joes.

In today’s society, except for wages, everything’s going up, the price of housing, water, electricity, oil…, there’s another thing that isn’t going up, and that’s the stock market. Before, when the country was poor, all of that was really cheap, so why is it that now that the country is getting more and more rich, those things that are controlled by the state are getting more expensive? It should be cheaper, shouldn’t it? Why cheaper, because doesn’t the country have money now? Isn’t this socialism?

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In the last few days the cost of electricity for industrial purposes went up, and it can be seen that the cost of electricity by the people can’t be far behind. When the price of electricity for industrial use went up, there were even promises made that the price of electricity for the people wouldn’t go up. Well, there you go, if there is anything Chinese people have are dirty/conniving brains. Actually, the main thing that I am angry with is, compared with developed countries, when the price of electricity used by industry was raised, they would say how this is how it is in developed countries too, that it is about this price too, and so on and so on.

The amount of electricity for the people is 87 kW·h, I heard an expert say that in Japan it’s 120 kW·h, in bangzi country [Korea] it’s 100 kW·h, so why do the Chinese get so little? Because the other countries are developed countries [and China is not]. Dammit, if we can’t compare to them, why is he comparing us? Every time prices go up, they compare us to other countries. Why? Chinese people can’t have their own ideas/standards [instead of comparing to others]. If I could use a brick to throw at that expert, I would throw my television too.

Comments From Mop:

悲劇戲繹:

The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) are all bastards, we won’t need to go online, we won’t need to watch TV, twenty years ago we used to all sing songs through the night.

溜小跑去拉萨:

Is this true?

八服赤眉刀:

Could it be that in two days there will be restrictions on water too?

流鑫三月:

I don’t know what to say…

东熙泽:

Contemptuous policy, a thinly veiled attempt to take people’s money,
1 party system
tragedy

是我,别开枪!:

Be careful of river crabs.

hometownboycn:

I think I don’t use very much electricity at all, but every month I use 150 kW·h.

不停寻找:

Not enough.

没毕业的小学生:

Such a small amount of electricity wouldn’t even be enough to power one of those little machines you see in A片.

孤单.旅行:

That definitely wouldn’t be enough. My house uses around a hundred kW·h in winter, in summer even more.

hj14174:

The NDRC’s main job is to increase prices.
But they call it adjusting prices.

路人527:

Motherfucking prices are going up everywhere, we really need to be brought in line with the international community.

那一天电闪雷鸣:

I intend to install another electricity meter, if that’s not enough I’ll get more!

最后的良知:

This is a rumour, actually each province will set standards according to its situation. LZ should read things in their entirety before starting rumours, this is another topic.

二月二十七:

I was watching a show on TV where they interview people on the street, they all agreed that “87 kW·h is enough electricity”, and I thought that they must all be hand picked or were told to say that.

闲阳无墉 :

My house uses 30 kW·h a month, nowadays the environment is so bad, natural resources so scarce.
If you want to use more (than the standard) you of course have to pay more.

不普通的普通人:

This is irrelevant to me, I’m poor, I don’t use more than 20 or 30 kW·h a month, I pay 8 or 9 mao per kW·h, Saving the environment starts with me.

喜欢宽额头的女人:

I understand this… whenever there’s something on TV about prices going up they start making comparisons with overseas… saying something costs x in such-and-such a country… but … why don’t they ever do such comparisons with regard to salary?

小深小深:

Rich country, poor people.

ted酷头:

87 kW·h would be enough for the fridge, washing machine and a few lights, you couldn’t even consider using a computer or air conditioning.

Anonymous User 188956:

The goal isn’t to make money, it is to control the use of electricity, to get people used to saving electricity, does the LZ know what sustainable development is?

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  1. So this is being implemented before China cuts its carbon intensity?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-climate-china27-2009nov27,0,3694292.story

    I hope China doesn’t get too cold this winter.

  2. I think this is a good policy to motivate people to use less energy. All for the sake of our environment…

    The LZ knows nothing about economics and why people complain if nobody knows how much the rate will increase after the 87kw-h benchmark???

    By the way, I use about 50kw-h per day in my beijing apartment and we are just 2 persons.

    • Or it could just be an excuse for the decision makers to line their own pockets.

      You two might only use use 50kw-h (does that include winter heating bills?), but that doesn’t mean another household can get by on the same. A family of 4 or more might need more then you two.

      If this is only about the environment, then where are the initiatives aimed towards energy efficiency or auto emissions?

  3. We use 20kWh per day on average, most of it probably goes to water heating. We live in a 100 sq metre apartment all-electric in Australia. We don’t use the air-conditioning/heat pump as our climate is generally pretty mild. Of course we also pay high fixed charges each month. The electric bill is about $A130 per month (800 RMB roughly).

    How much higher is the rate in China above 87kWh per month?

  4. Should have said we don’t use the A/C heat pump much. Of course we earn something like RMB 50k per month here.

  5. Which timespan does this 87kWh rule apply to? per day, per week, per month, per year? Personally I don’t really limit my consumption and use approx. 4kWh per day, that is about 120kWh per month… If people really need 20 or even 50 kWh per day(!) they should really reconsider their lifestyle bearing in mind the impact it has on our environment!

    What happens when exceeding the 87kWh limit? Energy prices are heavily subsidized in China and I don’t see a problem if subsidies are limited…

    0.53 yuan per kWh is very cheap, in Germany for exapmle we pay at least four times as much!

  6. China is making lots of moves on energy efficiency and reducing carbon emissions. Its fuel efficiency standards for cars are stronger than the US, it has a goal to get 20% of electricity from renewable energy by 2020 and just announced a target to cut carbon emissions per RMB of GDP by 40-45% by 2020. This latter target is just as strong as the US’s target when expressed in the same units. On our electricity consumption my point was that our household uses about 600 kWh per month. We rent and can’t change any of the systems in our apartment. I am sure the majority of it goes to an inefficient water heating system. But anyway 87 kWh per month is not much. But if you use gas for cooking and water heating and home heating etc. then maybe it is not so low.

  7. It’s too late to save the planet anyway.

    We should all party like it’s 1999!

  8. The Koreans who would have been talking about “dialectical materialism” 50 years ago are now talking about “climate change”, unfortunately we can’t just machinegun them and bury them in a shallow grave like in the good old days.

  9. The article says that in Japan the rate is 120 kW·h, in Korea it’s 100 kW·h. Does anyone know if that’s daily, weekly or monthly?

    • I think all numbers apply to a month-span. The number I found for Japan was a little less than 2000 kWh per capita per year, about one forth of it due to A/C, 16% to light, 10% to frige and an impressive 4% for electrical toilet seats…

      • “an impressive 4% for electrical toilet seats…”?!!

        You lie! LOL! Pardon me while I fall out of my chair. You know I’ve never fully appreciated the phrase “then let them eat cake” until now. Was Marie Antoinette half Japanese?

  10. Well, I am actually consuming about 1000kWh/year, which includes light, fridge, washing machine and cooking, and 24/7 running computer, but not water heating or similar. And there is no aircon necessary in middle Europe.

    I think that it may prove reasonable to set a baseline for consumption with extra charges for exceeding it so that there is a motive to save energy. On the other hand, there should be rewards for energy saving investments such as solar water heating, solar cooling, photovoltaics, heat insulation of buildings and similar.

    Protecting the environment and fighting energy wasting comes with a price, but so does destruction of the environment, and most likely with a higher one.

  11. This is what happens when you have one uneducated guy at the top calling all the shots for the country. There is no creativity in problem solving.

  12. Charge more to save energy is an economic leverage, not the most efficient way but absolutely necessary.

  13. 1)I’m sorry, but for what they’re paying relative to income they’ve got jack to complain about.

    2)They cheap out like a mofo on installing energy saving appliancs, insulation, double pane glass, etc. The list goes on to how energy inefficient the average Shanghai apt is.

    3)Throw onto the pile that govt doesnt adjust water and power rates but once every 5 years. When they do its like 5 years inflation hitting you in the mouth at once. (As Ive been told I;ve only been here for 3)

    4)Power companies are constantly taking a loss everywhere across the board with the rising tide of raw materials and constant infrastructure investment.

    5)North China in winter = Throw on a humidifier at full blast till its 90 degrees inside
    South China in Summer = let me put on my coat because the A/C is so high I can hang beef in my office

  14. Maybe it will stop people putting about 30 lights in the living room just because it looks pretty, a lot of which aren’t energy efficient type bulbs

  15. Geez why are they complaining? Dont they understand that China has ALOT OF PEOPLE? Japan is more energy efficient and has less people, and Korea has less people. Some people dont have any electrcity! Isnt this a good reason to become more energy efficient? China already creates enough pollution burning coal 24/7 so why complain?

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