‘Mother, China’ Music Video Captures Overseas Chinese

overseas-chinese-01As China’s booming economy becomes the locomotive to bring the polluted world out of regression, more and more folks are coming to China chasing their Chinese Dreams. Among them there’s a group of people who were born in China or their ancestors emigrated from China generations ago. These ethnic Chinese returnees are called 海归 (haigui), or 海龟 as a nickname (sea turtle, has same pronunciation as haigui). In fact, haigui is not a new phenomenon. There were five generations of haigui since the late nineteenth century, if Xuanzang doesn’t count. Relying on their advantage of having both good connections inside the country and specialization/experiences gained from abroad, many of them made epic contributions to the nation and achieved huge individual success at the same time. On the list we have big names like Zhan Tianyou (a distinguished rail-road engineer), Mao Yisheng (famous architect), Sun Yat-Sen (first president of the ROC), Qian Xuesen (Chinese father of rocket science and space program, who quizzed American father of rocket science in a POW camp), Zhou Enlai (first and the mostly beloved Prime Minister of PRC by the Chinese people), Deng Xiaoping (reformer who led China to  insufficient regulated capitalism open market economy), Jiang Zemin (former President who … hmmm… did a lot to China), Justin Yifu Lin (great political refugee from Taiwan Chief Economist and Senior Vice President of the World Bank), Kai-Fu Lee (founding president of Google China), Li Hongyan (founder of Baidu, Google’s cheap knock-off worst nightmare) and the list goes on and on.

However not every haigui has made immortal achievements after they returned to China. Some were less successful in competing with “local turtles” and became 海带, some had difficulties in  adjusting themselves in a rapidly transforming society, and some tragically jumped from a building to free themselves from unbearable occupational stress.

A recent internet viral video composed and performed by two Chinese guys Timothy and 我爱微风 (the video portion made by Reno Studios), who are now living in North America, received a lot attentions from oversea Chinese communities. The music video is based on the writers’ real story of  returning to China, with a complexity of excitement and frustration, optimism and disappointment, hope and hopeless. The post in the video creator’s blog has been viewed for 240k times and received almost 2700 comments and the video has been recommended to many Chinese forums. A lot of commenters agree that the video resonated in their hearts with the truth in it. Indeed, the pictures in the video are like a microscopic panorama of Chinese society and readers who want to understand China better can use them to test their knowledge. BTW, you should have already known a lot of them from reading posts here in chinaSMACK.

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Following is a loose (and rather poor) translation of the lyrics. The 妈呀 (Mother) in the title serves as a pun and can be  translated to exclamation of surprise, excitement or frustration.

妈呀,中国
Mother, China

我生在新中国,我长在红旗下
I was born in the new China, I grew up under the red flag

我带过红领巾,我爱国如爱家
I’ve worn the red scarf, I love my country as I love my family

十年寒窗苦,我好不容易进清华
Through ten years of hard studies, I managed to get into Tsinghua

我成绩不算差,可我户口落不下
My grades are not bad, but I can’t get a Beijing hukou

阴差又阳错,我出国象出家
In a strange circumstance, I left the country like a man who left home to become a monk

为了养家糊口,我得赶紧办绿卡
To support my family, I had to quickly get a green card

出国护照难拿,回国却偏要VISA
It was not easy to get a passport to leave the country, and now I need a visa to return to China

入了外国籍,但我做梦都说中国话
Though I have obtained foreign citizenship, in my dreams are in Chinese

我的大中国,我的大华夏
My great China, my great Huaxia [another name for China]

尽管我在外飘泊,总是把你牵挂
Though I am wandering abroad, I always keep you in my heart

我的大中国,我的大华夏
My great China, my great Huaxia

风里雨里同度过,我只认你这个妈
Even through all hardships, I only call you my mother

我曾经爱闯荡,现在却很想家
I once loved going out into the world, but now I very much miss home

爸爸已经去世,家里就剩妈妈
Dad had passed away, and now only my mom is left at home

我很想做海归,怕你嫌我年纪大
I really want to become a haigui, but am afraid you [China] would think me too old [to fit back in]

可是你看那谁,他八十二能娶二十八
But look at that person, he’s 82 and was able to marry a 28-year-old [meaning even old people can adapt]

在国外住得越久,我心里就越放不下
The longer I live abroad, the harder it is for me to put my heart at ease

好不容易请了假,我兴冲冲地飞回家 北京欢迎你
Managing to get a vacation from work, I excitedly flew home, to “Beijing welcomes you!” [to attend the Olympics]

看着立交桥发傻,我迷失在高楼大厦
I was stupefied by the overpasses, I was lost in the skyscrapers [while back]

江河流着黑水,天空下着黄沙 妈呀,这也算是晴天啊
In the rivers flow black water, and yellow dust under the sky, “gosh, this is considered a clear day?”

老同学一见面,感觉亲如一家 哥们,喝酒!
Upon seeing my old schoolmates, it felt like a family reunion, “Brothers, let’s drink!”

可陌生人对我,有时冷眼有时骂 嘿!你长不长眼啊
But with strangers, sometimes it is cold stars and sometimes it is scolding, “Hey! Are you blind?”

车比纽约还多,路比伦敦要大 那当然
There are more cars than New York City, and the roads wider than London, “but of course”

到处奔驰宝马,坐进去那真叫害怕 找死啊你!
Everywhere there are BMWs, but sitting inside is what is true fear, “Do you want to die!”

不管怎么样,是你把我养大
But no matter what, it was you who raised me

即使跑遍了全世界,也忘不了这个家
Even if I have traveled around the entire world, I could not forget this home

只希望你更好,原谅我有时乱说话
And I can only hope for you to become better, and that you’ll forgive me when I speak ill of you

儿女发点牢骚,当妈的根本不用怕
Because when children grumble a little, a mother does not even need to worry

我的大中国,我的大华夏
My great China, my great Huaxia

尽管我在外飘泊,总是把你牵挂
Though I am wandering abroad, I always keep you in my heart

我的大中国,我的大华夏
My great China, my great Huaxia

风里雨里同度过,我只认你这个妈
Even through all hardships, I only call you my mother

风里雨里同度过,我只认你这个妈
Even through all hardships, I only call you my mother

风里雨里同度过,我只认你这个—-妈
Even through all hardships, I only call you my — mother

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  1. China forever!!!

  2. Yeah cus the Siamese Dream was so 1990′s

  3. Oh, no pictures of a guy in front of a tank on the video…..
    how come?

  4. @ xmcx — Of course you have to pledge allegiance to a country IF YOU WANT THEIR PASSPORT. If you don’t like their ceremonies and rules, don’t join their nation.

    Why sneer at “physical examinations?” Every country has health and disease border controls. For ex, Beijing won’t let foreigners with AIDS in.

    Do you Chinese think you can just travel the Earth collecting passports like credit cards? If a country is going to give you its citizenship, rights, and access to schools and health care, is it too much to ask to respect that nation’s traditions?

    China’s worse than any Western nation. They don’t allow foreigners to become citizens at all.

    I have a Hong Kong friend studied in China the 80s, speaks fluent Chinese, and lives full-time with his wife and child in China. China still won’t give him permanent residence (never mind citizenship or a passport) because he’s not “ethnic” Chinese.

    China has a long way to go before it becomes a diverse nation like the U.S., Canada, Britain, France or Australia.

    No wonder “returnees” like myself once got culture shock. (And I’m in freer, more multicultural Hong Kong.)

    • You seems to have misinterpreted him. He is saying that it’s funny that, in the song, oversea Chinese still claims China as their motherland, when in their pledge, they specifically claimed otherwise.

      “You chinese”? Why don’t you stop being a HongKong snob? Besides xmcx is not Chinese. Have you seen his comments before?

    • Maybe you should rephrase it to : ALL Asian Nations.

      If your father is non ethnic korean, you cannot even become a korean national even if your mother is.

      Zanichi Koreans cannot even become citizens of Japan despite having lived there for GENERATIONS.

      There is NO “worse or better”. a) I doubt many people want to immigrate to China in the first place
      b) China doesn’t need 1.3billion + 1 citizen.

      Many libs have their heads stuck up their asses and fail to realize immigration policy is dependent on the factors present in the nation and not some retarded notion that all “is fair play”.

      • Laws in Asian nations can be the most racist around for foreigners. Why is that? They have some real deep rooted prejudices. Japan, Korea and China. I am not sure about SE Asia but my guess is it is the same. Mongolia??

        • Must be the IMF induced bankruptcies, centuries of colonialism, apartheid and currently ongoing occupation of lands like USA (Red Indians), Canada (Native Indigenous Peoples), Australia (Aboriginals), New Zealand (Maori), Antilles (Carribes Tribes),
          Africa etc..

          How about these 4 countries (3 of which consider the England’s Saxe-Coburg-Gotha their sovereign) signing the UN Declaration for Indigenous Peoples 2009 which 143 countries signed but tese 4 did not for a start?

          Join the dots and the answers to such questions on the why of racism become quite clear.

      • Immigration policy is xenophobic. Giving a few foreigners passports would make no difference to China’s overcrowding. Depriving long term residents of citizenship is a human rights violation.

    • I have problems believing your retarded story.
      Are you trying to tell me you know a retard who would give up his HK passport to become a Chinese Citizen? LOL

      With a HK passport you can get visas into china like theres no tommorow AND other countries…

  5. This must be the anthem for Sojourning Chinese.

    Barf-bag lyrics.

    But then again, many other countries have similar, including mime….its also a real cringer.

    What we need is a universal global anthem for all expats of whatever nationality.

    LOUIE LOUIE any version, including Animal House.

  6. If overseas Chinese retain their nationalism to such a degree, foreign militaries should seriously consider not letting ethnic Chinese serve if they want to avoid a Chinese Nidal Hasan. I can easily imagine a Chinaman shooting up a US Army base because Obama said something about Tibet.

  7. siamese dream rapesssss

  8. What a utterly sickening song. Ugh.

  9. China is the best, most best, belive it.

    In a few decades the US will be ruled by blacks/latinos and most of Europe by muslims. Both are doomed and will accept China’s rule by force or willingly, like most of Africa now.

    • China will have its appropriate place in the World.
      As an ideological and development-methodical alternative to the western model of so called ‘Nation-Building’.
      Nothing more, nothing less.

      Ignore all the retards baaawning over this fact. They are just wishing their good ol’ western-centric world back, where they didnt had to share their ‘place under the sun’ with the poverty-stricken Chinese sub-humans.

      China wird seinen Platz unter der Sonne bekommen. Und niemand kann es davon abhalten.

      PS.

      Haha.

      Auch aus Deutschland? Woher?

  10. Well, this pretty much explains Chinese feeling towards their original Country.

    It’s like in a family:

    The Mother is maybe strict, harshly punishing you for minor reasons and one will lament it or even rebel against her, but when someone from outside is calling her a dirty whore, even the most beaten child will go apeshit.

    Thats like China and the Chinese. The Country and the Government may be unfair against us at times, but we still hold the utmost respect towards her and will defend her in times of need.
    We will criticise her on the Internet for their many wrong-doings and their brutal Chenguangs, but this doesent change the fact that this Country is still our beloved mother.
    Any Westerner who believes that calling her a dirty whore for the sake of democratic progress is acceptable from the sides of her Children, made a huge mistake.

    This has nothing to do with Nationalism. This is just your standard Mother-Child relationship with all their conflicts and reconciliations.

    • Mistook the Chinese government with China itself, I see.

      • Thats the problem with China in general.

        Most westerners can seperate their government from the country. They can hate the government, but love their country.

        Chinese cannot. Each Dynasty is always combined with the Country itself, so any insult directed against the Government, is automatically directed towards the Country, what makes people go apeshit.

        Sorry for you, not understanding it.

        There are also Countries where people cannot even feel any patriotism towards it.

        A good example is Germany. The people dont even know what patriotism means, hating the country and the government on the same time.

        Each, for their own.

        • The people dont even know what patriotism means.

          Oh, I wish that was true.

          • good?

            not really.

            Germany fails because the people only identify with their country when there’s a Fussball-Weltmeisterschaft.

            Otherwise, they dont even know how to sing their Antemn.

          • good?

            In my opinion yes, but that’s probably only possible in Utopia.

            Germany fails because the people only identify with their country when there’s a Fussball-Weltmeisterschaft.

            So what? People who care about this are the same who love to clung to things like ‘patriotism’ etc.

            Otherwise, they dont even know how to sing their Antemn.

            You mean they don’t know the politically incorrect strophes? :->

          • nope.

            If you been to germany and lived there for more than 20 years, you will feel sickened from all their depressive self-hate and listlessness.

            Seriously. Every Country needs the trust of its people in it to prosper. Germany had its times, but nowadays they will only slowly die out. In 100 Years there will be no Germans anymore. Only Turks and Chinese.

            I know that Germany has a better foreign reputation than it has in its own country, but on has too see beyond the famous Cars, Beer and medieval cities.
            Beyond that, its a country made of hopelessness and depression, grey like the walls of its buildings and dry like the tons of paperwork of its infamous bureaucracy.
            A well-organized and absolutely clean and tidy Country, But dead. Literally. Vegetating like a rich pensioner, accomplished everything in life and now without a goal, just waiting for the death to arrive.

            Not like China, which is polluted and dirty, chaotic and disorganized, but filled with power, vitality and enthusiasm. Striving for a goal yet to accomplish. Like a Youngster in the best time of his life. No time for thought. No time for doubt. No time for scruple.
            Just reaching out for the stars.

            Noone would understand such a feeling of depresssion, if one hasnt lived in such a Country.
            No wonder, why I Ding on every point of that Video.

          • Hopelessness? Bureaucracy? Try going to Longhua, Shenzhen.

        • Every Country needs the trust of its people in it to prosper.

          Trust in a country? Trusting a person, OK. Trusting an institution, OK. Trusting a politician, err… OK. But trusting a state?

          Germany had its times, but nowadays they will only slowly die out.

          If that’s the case, so be it.

          Noone would understand such a feeling of depresssion, if one hasnt lived in such a Country.

          You may call it depression, but maybe it’s just realism?

          • You may call it depression, but maybe it’s just realism?

            Contrary to ‘love’ for such a artificial and through arbitrariness crafted compound called ‘country’.

          • Of course.

            Everyone can decide to love or hate their own country.
            But if the hate results in the ultimate ‘reality’ of depression which leads into the death of the country, then there’s a direct, negative effect on people’s life.

            Of course one can choose that. Nothing wrong about it.

            After all, Me, as a Chinese, is pretty happy about any former Western/Western-Styled country with a Imperial/Colonial-History that dies out of natural cause (ppl losing hope, dropping birth-rates and crumbling economy). Serves them right.

            The more the merrier. Germany is already dead. Japan is dying out. Britain turns into Britanistan. Etc.

            Let’s see how long the US will last.

          • Bleah, get out and enjoy the autumn sunshine. Arguing with HJ is like talking to a brick wall.

            Never argue with a fool, et al..you get the rest.

            I support you man!

          • The thing is, I’ve spent a lot of time in Germany (Berlin and the Ruhrgebeit) and do not even slightly recognise the country that Hongjian describes. Once again, this is the kind of demonisation of the country of residence/idolisation of the country of origin which you find in a lot of expat communities, expats in China included.

          • I smell rotten fish, but whatever…

            After all, Me, as a Chinese

            Auch aus Deutschland?

            Als “Patriot” wirst dich wohl für die eine oder andere “Nation” entscheiden müssen.

            Everyone can decide to love or hate their own country

            What about not caring?

          • and do not even slightly recognise the country that Hongjian describes

            I guess Hongjian is reflecting his feelings onto others.
            I wonder if living in a Ghetto in the former GDR made him this way.

        • @Hongjian
          Germany, dont even know what patriotism means? I can understand that germans may noy want themselves associated from nazis germany but i doubt they are non-patriotic. Afterall, german pride is a big part of german culture, why do you think so many ppl weep when germany is finally united? Sure there are some dissidents esp those unemployed in east germany, but same thing can be said about China.In fact, many ppl in China aint nationalistic at all, just happy they got money. Go tell some hungry villager in some remote village in Yunan to go beat up some japanese ppl with your rich, spoiled Chinese youth borned to CCP members.

          And let me remind you many japanese are very zealous about their national pride, so many they spent hours and hours try to change history . At least the germans have guts to admit their mistakes.

          And Hongjian if u wish every imperialistic nation to die than you may want China to die out as well. Cause Imperialism plays a big part of Chinese History, all the way since the Shin Huangdi.

          • Hong Jian,

            As an Australian of Chinese ethnicity, I am rather appalled by your lack of appreciation of the local culture (Germans) that have hosted you and allowed you to earn a decent salary. In fact you reward them with curses wishing the doom of their civilisation all because of something that have happened generations ago.

            Are the chinese who have the same opinion as you are in Germany are settling in fine… sounds to me that they’ve just carved out an ethnic enclave by the looks of it…. Seriously if you’re still there, you and every like minded motherland nationalist ought to be deported along with the illegal migrants from India. Germany does not need parasites like you. I could say the very same to some of the rabid CCP supporters in Australia as well.

            It’s funny because I always thought that respect for our hosts were one of the tenets of our so called chinese culture… Seriously, people like you who have an axe to grind over something that has happened a long time ago, give the ethnic overseas chinese like me a bad name.

            YOu’ve gotta move on and take hold of your life instead of sulking back and blaming every other laowai for your sucky life.

          • Ah pardon me… rather than illegal migrants from India, I should’ve meant Turkey and Africa….

          • Cry more Drama-Queens.

            I served in the Bundeswehr for 4 Years and were deployed one time to A-Stan with my Fallschrimjäger-battalion. Now I’m studying the 3rd Semester Law in Heidelberg. I swore to serve this Country back then as a soldier, and now as a future prosecutor, to pay the dept for their hospitality provided to me. Nothing more. Just a question of honour and out of respect. Nothing personal.

            But this doesnt hinder me even one bit, to say that this country has absolutely no future if this goes on like this. I’m just honest. This country is a sinking ship. And any pragmatic person will leave it sooner or later.
            China has something Germany cannot provide. And that is a Future. Chinese are machiavellian pragmatists in the first place. Respect for the host country comes on the second place.

            And seriously. Cry. the fucking. more.

            If you call me a motherland nationalist, then so be it. Then i’m a motherland nationalist serving on a sinking ship until the end.

            So ppl, go back to work. Your host country calls.

          • “And Hongjian if u wish every imperialistic nation to die than you may want China to die out as well. Cause Imperialism plays a big part of Chinese History, all the way since the Shin Huangdi.”

            oops. obviously you overread a very important statement.

            I wish every Western/Western-Styled Nation with an imperialist history to die out.

            Not including China, which is, thank heaven, NOT an western-styled pussylicker nation, worthshipping faggotry like democracy and freedom with gay-parades, free-speech and parliamentary brawl and stuff.

            And Imperialism != Imperial-History

            China has an Imperial History, but sadly not an Imperialist History. The only time when China had the chance of being a great imperialist power, was destroyed by the stupidity of its own emperor, burning down the greatest fleet in the world at that time.
            No. This is the main problem of China. The mentality of it’s people is the conservative, timid mentality of Rice-Farmers, not aggressive Nomadic conquerors. If the Mongols ruled longer, I think China would be a real imperialist power, buttraping the world, and not the opposite.

          • Say all you like Hongjian, with this attitude you do not deserve to be given the position of prosecutor. Nor do you show the necessary level of intelligence required to fill such a position when you mindlessly repeat the demonstrably false opinion that Europe is due to be colonised somehow by its Muslim minority, most of whom are far better integrated into European society and values than yourself.

          • Whether I deserve it or not, it’s a question of my own skills. It’s a meritocratian society after all.

            And I consider myself pretty much integrated. I have worked and will work for this fail country. What I think about it, is pretty much insignificant, since I will do my job without fail.

            I may say that this country fails and has no future, but I wont go onto the streets and burn cars because of it, like certain other minorities here, you claim who are better integrated than me.

            There was a official in the 19th century Deutschen Bund, before the founding of the German Reich 1871, who worked as a censor at day, and a dissent poet in his free time. Talk about ‘having the right attitude’.

    • Hongjian, so many places in china do not have so much hope. Germans maybe fucked, but many place in China also is very fucked.

  11. Eh.. most of the other Chinese I know TALK about going back, but then they don’t. No matter how “patriotic” they claim to be whatever country they immigrated to must be more comfortable, otherwise why immigrate in the first place? I don’t blame them, I’m in the same position.

    • Eh.. most of the other Chinese I know TALK about going backFor what reasons?
      Back to the roots? Finding their alleged identity? Escape social exclusion?
      I guess the psychology is pretty interesting stuff, the same goes with religion, self-discovery, …

    • Tokyo is full of Chinese, I hear more Chinese spoken here than any other non-Japanese language. The Chinese population consists partly of professionals, many of them married to locals, and people running the traditional Chinese bushinesses. Is it possible to square this with the love China/hate Japan rhetoric that you hear and see constantly both on the internet and in everyday life in China? No, so I guess a lot of the people in China aren’t that serious about it.

    • they don’t go back cause they can’t.

      you can’t make it in China unless you have an “uncle” paving the way for you.

    • Forgot to add,
      China dosnt grant residency leniently, you gotta be bringing skills or trucks of money there.

      and you and your friends clearly are not capable of such feats.

  12. So if immigrants like to clung to this stuff it means that they don’t feel very comfortable in their host countries? Would be kind of sad if that’s the case for most immigrants.

  13. Interesting opening post. Are we to assume that polical commentry crossed out will be the norm for China Smack in the future?

  14. china’s got a lot of work to do before reaching a harmonious society

  15. What comes to mind when I saw this MV is Culture Shock. I think everyone does this when they live away from their homeland long enough. I also think this video only represents a very small percentage of the overseas Chinese population.

  16. Honjian

    Not like China, which is polluted and dirty, chaotic and disorganized,

    Dirt and pollution……these are the big descripters pal.

    Since you are the uber nationalist with a mummy complex, do a xinhua search on environmental problems in China….not optimistic reading.

    Again it is water, water and water. Without it, your 30 story apt buildings will fill with excrement when water supplies dwindle. Beijing pipes its water from 100 of ks away, as do other cities. Large swathes of farmland are dying as the aquafers have been exhausted. The river systems are on their last legs.

    Oh well, you can turn this great power and vitality you mention to building desal plants which turn urine into H2O.

    Wave your flags buddy, your environment will bite you in the arse.

    • As you mentioned it already, water and food production are the two main issues that will bring this nation down to its knees.

      Overpopulation + Western living standards = FAIL

      Uber fail that is.

      In the near future, people from around the world will visit China to remember what caused the fall of this once great (NOT) nation. Children in schools around the world will learn about the Chinese history, to make sure no one repeat their mistakes, ever. A bit like WWI and Nazi Germany.

      America will laugh all the way to the bank, thinking about how stupid the Chinese were to buy their debt and believe all their lies about “cooperation”, mutual dependency and their “sincere” will to share power and welcome them as a world super power.

      • For those confused by my reference to WWI (and not WWII):

        WWI was caused by nationalism

        WWI was caused by nationalism. When the war was declared on Germany, people burst out on the street celebrating in France and Britain. If the population had not been primed to support the war, the government might not have started it!

        WWI was the result of a long string of events dating back to the 1890′s. Conflict in the Balkans and complex European alliances were the main causes. Germany had a huge role in this. They fought for the independence of Morocco in an attempt to break the alliance between France and Britain. Germany also participated in an arms race. Kaiser Wilhelm II started building up a navy, trying to surpass Britain’s fleet. Since Britain was an island nation, and had many overseas colonies, it had a gigantic navy, so what the Kaiser was attempting to do was no easy feat. Germany wanted to increase its own colonial empire, and most of the good colonies were already taken. These actions and policies helped fuel the fire that was WWI.

  17. We give them freedom, respect them, free health care, free education, let them not pay taxes for years….. not even a little apreciation and still call us laowai in our own country. Great.

    • You do it out of necessity for economic reasons. No western country, no matter how christian, how secular, or however fair, is going to let immigrants in for no reason.

      • No western country, no matter how christian, how secular, or however fair, is going to let immigrants in for no reason.

        But what if they don’t want back when they’re not needed anymore?

      • Actually… Chinese businesses are ruining local businesses…..

        Maybe because we are a little more progressive, moral and understanding?

  18. I love my house
    I love my car
    I love UNC-Chapel Hill
    I love being a North Carolinian
    I love Bojangles
    I love college basketball
    I love unfiltered internet
    I love traveling to china during holidays to visit extended family
    I love the freedom I have with my american passport and chinese american heritage.

  19. More loyalty to the country and its people… Good, especially since China so badly needs to improve its civil society.

    More loyalty to the government… Not so good.

  20. A bit cheesy but not as bad as the ASEAN Anthem, now there’s a joke 555

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=linTTWHu1YQ

    • Check out this ASEAN infomercial. Kicker comes at the end when you see that it was sponsored by USAID:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiQhqN-NdQc&feature=related

      ASEAN may be all about building peace and prosperity, but at the moment they cannot even fund their own cheesy ads.

      • yea seen that video, ROLF when I saw the USAID… The whole ASEAN bit is ripe for cynical parodies. The Thais did most of the work this year on it so in all the literature the Cambodians were little dark kids, the Laos country bumkins, and of course the Thais were the cool light skinned kids, lol

    • hmm… 5 generations ago my ancestors left china.. I’m Malaysian born, but I don’t feel any connection to the so called “motherland” and my “chinese brother and sisters”; much to the dismay of the other chinese around me..

      Heck I don’t even feel a connection to Malaysia, the country i was supposedly born in and spent my first 18 years of life before I moved to Australia.

      Am I supposed to feel love for the “motherland”? I dunno. But the way I see it and the way I was raised is that I am Lamperouge first and foremost and the only future that I can take hold of is mine alone.

      We may have 99.98% similarity in our DNA strain, but there is where our commonality ends. My ancestors do not owe china anything as they left china to take hold of their future; and in my case I do not owe Malaysia or China anything when I left for australia. Of course I do still pay my due to the Australian government in taxes for mantaining a social security system who most of the time are doing a pretty decent job helping the weakest and most vulnerable of society. They arent perfect but at least they’re light years ahead of other nations.

      So I am a little puzzled whenever a chinese person or the chinese nation tries to jockey for a sea turtle’s attention or favor just on the sole basis of ethnicity.
      I do find it disturbing as well as I would rather grant someone a favor based on the merits, character and integrity of the person rather than ethnicity. In fact I do find it insulting when someone assumes that I would do favors for someone based on a common ethnicity.

      And especially with this video, they sure are entitled to their opinion. BUt they definitely do not speak for a minority like me.

      • Whats that * Lampa * ? What are you were talking about???

        Pleas be less ignorant that the UN and IMF is dominated by Caucaso-Westerners, the Head of the Commonwealth will always be a Saxe-Coberg-Gotha, and that never in the history of Christianity was there ever an Asian Cardinal or Apostolic delegate in both Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant much less Anglican churches.

        Realise that the sanctity of any person of any race wherever they are in the world is bolstered by the virtue of the existence of each races’ motherland and the extent of their national power today.

        No one can blame those long affected by subtle propaganda, Neuro-linguistic programming or scenarios intended as to ‘teach’, but being as educated and clear minded as some of us would like to appear to be, it is apparent that some of us fail to appreciate what a strong motherland’s presence and links back home gives it’s people.

        Racism is a sad fact of life. And until we see visible changes and better representation at the very top (UN, IMF, Christianity), all * Lampa * can expect is lip service and nothing more.

        P.S.

        Why bother calling it the International Monetary Fund? the International portion of the name holds no water at all – call it the * European Monetary Fund *, much like the * Asian Monetary Fund * which honestly declares itself for what it is. Honest statesmen of the world should not tolerate such glaringly obvious obfuscations. IMF has impoverished many non-Caucaso-Western countries with debt. Do the math.

        • Wow,

          I haven’t even started going into the IMF or even the UN and there you are blaming the Caucasians again? And since when did I ever involve the Caucasians in my apathy about the “motherland”

          Dude your life must really hate your current situation to have such an axe to grind. Sure racism exists among Caucasians, but do you think the Chinese are any better? I mean seriously take a good hard look at your own back yard, you can even treat the different ethnic Chinese groups & income classes equally..

          Furthermore, your off-tangent rants about race, sanctity and the lack of Chinese representation on the IMF or the UN has only succeeded in displaying your inner-redneck to the world. I mean seriously, if the Chinese who have the same mindset as you do actually had a strong representation in the the IMF or the UN just as the states did, it’ll just be another case of deposing a dictator and letting a tyrant take his place. The country that will of course benefit the most would be China, and it’s supporters.. at the expense of countries that aren’t in China’s good books. It’s just like the US now… except with the roles reversed..

          Two wrongs will never make a right Master C.

          Also, racism exists, but instead of whinging and blaming it on the caucasians as an entire race, harden up and do something about YOUR life. Whingeing about how unfair things are just proves to me you’re nothing but a sore loser with dim prospects. You might think I experience a lot off racism in a Western Country like australia… but really, it’s funny because I used to work for a Chinese boss and was overlooked for promotion twice because my mandarin wasn’t good. But in when i came into my current job 3 years ago under a “Caucasian- Greek” manager, she has promoted me once within 9 months and now I am being strongly recommended for another one again.

          Let me make this clear, whether you’re Chinese, Indian African, Caucasian, etc. you’re first and foremost a human being, next, I shall view you on your merits, intelligence and integrity. Unfortunately based on your writings, you’ve just earned manage to pose yourself as an ignorant redneck. And a Chinese redneck at that..

          By the way now that I mention that, can you play the banjo with your feet? ;-P

          • If you are unable to understand what I wrote then I cannot help you to widen your understanding of where you (the subverted Chinaman) actually stands. Who was whinging and blaming it on the caucasians as an entire race?

            Quite protective of your masters aren’t you? If creating awareness of the real situation is unacceptable and being a ‘redneck’, then too bad for all the ‘House Chinks’ like you who find the truth too painful to accept.

            By the way now that you mention that, I’d plant my boot UP something, but it certainly won’t be a banjo.

            ;-P

          • I wish we had more posters like you, Lamperouge. You’re a cool cat.

        • Joseph Zen Ze-kiun, (陳日君樞機) a Chinese Cardinal of the Catholic Church, one of many Asian Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Zen_Ze-Kiun). Note, this is not an attempt to defend the Catholics.

          • Error acknowledged. I withdraw the portion of my statement on Cardinals.

            Instead this : There has historically been poor representation in the number of non-Caucasian Cardinals, and there will very likely never be an African, Indian, Polynesian or Chinese Pope. Racial glass ceilings are an undeniable fact of Christianity.

  21. My wife (who is from Sichuan) and I were recently discussing going back to China to live, as her parents are not in good health. We have a 9 year old daughetr, fluent in Cantonese, English and putonghua. We live in Hong Kong.
    ALL our Chinese relatives have given us very strong pressure not to go back for reasons ranging from education (it’s crap) to racism-our daughter is mixed race and has had a lot of abuse from Chinese kids, to no law in China, it’s an uncivilized country etc.
    People who live in China ( I am not talking about the princes) know what it is like and hate the place, even if they are very patriotic.

    • I didn’t hate China whilst I lived there, and I don’t hate it now, but as a place to raise children long-term when you have other options I would I have my doubts. I would depend on whether you could afford to send them to an international school (presuming these exist in the area you might live in) and on what your income in that area would be.

  22. I thought “海龟” was reserved for people who were born in China and received their basic schooling there before going abroad for university? People who were born abroad are certainly not 海龟 if they go to China.
    I agree with whichone. I must say that as a local from a country that accepts a lot of Chinese immigrants I wish they would have more respect and sensitivity towards the feelings of their host countries.
    I understand that it must be difficult to forget the country you are born in but their behavior often gives me the feeling that they are just out to milk the benefits of their host countries without feeling any appreciation for their new homes. Yes, I know living abroad isn’t easy (speaking as the family interpreter).
    I’m third generation and certainly have no feeling for the 5 stars red flag since my family migrated well before the PRC was founded although I’m pretty attached to Chinese cultural traditions and the land. In fact, many descendents of old migrants may be more likely to support the Republic of China. My relative went back to China, not because of any patriotic reasons but simply to be with his family there.
    I hope I do not wake up one day and find my neighborhood plastered with red flags by these new immigrants. It’s pretty disturbing for us locals.
    And for the patriots out there, I do not wish your country ill. Seriously…

    • I can’t help but to agree with you Jade. The reason I moved from Malaysia to Australia is because I wanted to in a place which is less homogeneous; oh well and the cash as well.

      I’m actually surprised at the willingness of the general population here to have constructive debates here even if we disagree, we don’t try to out-shout them with numbers.

      During my 8 years in sydney I have managed to make friends from all places and I find it interesting and intellectually stimulating to dicuss different opinions and ideas. We may not agree on many things but at the end, we still have a mutual respect.

      What I certainly don’t appreciate are new migrants (especially the ones from China and Lebanon) coming in en-masse expecting us to accomodate the way of their life in their home contry which they have imposed on the locals (well, I’m nearly there…..).

      If you want in, sure.. welcome. But please leave all that emotional baggage at the quarantine bin in the airport..

      • Order of Australia, Lamperouge. After my time in China, I no longer support multiculturalism nor our migration policies. They have been totally abused for the most part. The Lebanese….crikey you do come from Sydney and the behaviour of the Chinese rent a crowd during the Games was disgusting. One really nice thing about this place is inter-marriage across races. Young people dont see colour/race at all…its what type of person you are.

  23. Nostalgia is what it is. It’s not unlike the West romanticize Eastern religions and philosophies. I am not afraid to say that I feel so darn fortunate that I left that darn place which I never considered my mother land and I wouldn’t want to 海龟 even if they promised me the entire world! But I also understand that it may be different for men who have the fantasy of easy money and fame after returning to China while they’re nobody overseas and often live a very lonely existence.

  24. This post reflects the feeling of some of the “海归“ I have met in China. They left China with a dream but this was soon shattered when they find that they cannot realized their dream without having to feed themselves and their family first. Now that China had propspered with abundant opportunities, the feelings or returning becomes greater.

    I am a first generation overseas born ethnic Chinese who have been in China for more than 10 years. My feeling for both my home contry and China is equal. I love my home country, my family and my friends but I am also so attached to the life in China. Sometimes I am at a loss as to what to do eventually.

  25. capt. LING DAN WANG BA

    Look man, the problem I have with the US is their HIDDEN system of tyranny. They got good PR. But I NOW KNOW that it’s all lies. I WOULD BE wary of any society that engages in psychological warfare against it’s own citizens (all admitted)–just one amongst all the EVIL they have been doing,not so secretly. And all the while having the “PR” fully absolves the people of any “real” responsibilities, so that most people are oblivious to what is going on (as long as they can live the lies.)

  26. capt. LING DAN WANG BA

    And dudes been doing it for years. I just recently begin to fully engage their bs.

  27. I’ve been to China. Well…how do I say it without offending? Well, I’m sorry but I have to tell what I saw. And I saw A LOT of China. I don’t know why the world is suddenly so amazed. Any Chinese wanting to return as if it’s some new paradise are out of their minds. You are believing a fantasy told you. Stop watching these corny videos made by some CCP geek. Do you really believe that stuff? Just stay where you are. Life in most developed countries is far better than China for the average person. I think the world may have become fascinated by “1.3 billion potential consumers” and maybe even a little nervous about that so they forgot to really look at China. If they visited China they will see tall modern buildings but after some time they’d really see what is going on. Your dreams of “mother” are delusional. “Mother China” is just a dream in your mind that you want to believe and that was taught to you by communist leadership when you were babies and small brain children. Those things stick in a mind forever and hard to get out. I understand. I’m of Irish heritage. if I let my great uncle talk too much he will make me feel as if I should personally invade and attack England. But fortunately I’m not that gullible. The only progress in China was western imported progress…yet you resent/despise/hate the west. I know, I know. It’s one of those piss off things where you just hate to admit somebody else made you modern yet they still don’t accept you fully. The “motherland” was built by the rest of the world. Just admit it. Yet CCP did not embrace the important western concepts…(Google “Magna Carta and Declaration of Independence”).

    Wow…where do I start? The amount of poverty, poison, corruption, terrible sanitation conditions, terrible building coding, awful manufacturing quality, crazy beliefs about the world, ignorance regarding other nations, is just shocking. I don’t know what the world is talking about when they talk of “new great China”. Anyone who believes this after seeing China with their own eyes, is certifiably insane. You are mentally ill or member of the CCP cult. The world is mentally ill if they just let China join the table equally without first cleaning itself up and observing basic table manners most nations of the world observe. Even enemies around the world agree on certain things that China refuses to. It’s funny because Chinese are mad at western press for creating such a bad view of China but it was the western press that made me say “I have to see this place”. The western press has already accepted that China is basically equal to America and soon will replace it. Listen to western press and you would think China is like a land of gold where everything is new and shiny and America is just fading off the earth. The western press is afraid of China now so I guess they just tell the fantasy story that China wants them to tell. Well, I saw a China that is most definitely a LOOOOOOONG way away from greatness. And I saw A LOT of China. I just can’t describe it without sounding like a China hater. I’m not. The people are nice. I’m not talking about individual people. I wanted to see something amazing. I didn’t. I think the world is amazed by the modern buildings and that it was all done in less than 30 years. That is a cool story but let’s not forget that was all brought in initially by other nations. What China is bragging about was given to them by the world. But it doesn’t mean anything beyond the fact China simply has modern buildings like most countries had 40 years ago. Anyone who believes China is now one of the great countries in the world needs to have their skull opened up and their brains seriously examined. Any Chinese person living in another progressive country but wanting to move back to China, should have chopsticks shoved up their a….nose. The amount of corruption, earth poison, scary building codes, over development, senseless real estate market, superstition stock market, zero community planning, poor education system (another myth the west has accepted is all Chinese people are braniac students when in fact the majority will never step a foot in a college classroom), and poverty, is just shocking. The only smart thing China did for it’s future was to buy America’s debt (yet Chinese are pissed about that). I was born in NYC so I’m not impressed by skyscrapers, jazz clubs, sports stadiums, and tall apartment buildings. More important things tell if a country is modern and progressive. I’ve been to the worst neighborhoods in NYC…they are a paradise compared with the way most chinese people live. I laugh when I hear rappers try to say they have it bad like 3rd world countries. In China, I just saw no protection of land ownership, intellectual/creative property, freedom of press, freedom of speech…I mean honestly the list is long of what is wrong with China. I just can’t believe what I saw. If you listen to western media you would think China is close to equal to America. I have no idea how they will create a modern society that can live with the world’s community unless they radically change. China could very easily collapse based on what I saw. It will physically collapse too. It’s dangerous in many places just the buildings! Building code? Nope. Safety code? Sorry. I really worry about a lot of Chinese people’s health and safety living in China. It was also shocking to see how government allows openly stealing other people’s products/ideas and market them as Chinese. There is zero respect for the world’s products, copyrighted ideas. I saw giant malls in major cities all rip offs of western products. How can they ever build trustful business relationships like that? I spoke with many foreigners doing business in China and they are just beyond confused while telling stories of horrible manufacturing. Corruption is rampant all over China in ways unimaginable outside world. Poverty? Oh my goodness…is there poverty. You just can’t believe it until you travel a lot in China. No ghetto or rural poverty in America comes close to Chinese poverty. And most people in China live like that or very close to it. Yes, it’s true they may have a middle class bigger than all of America’s population but it’s not the same level middle class while the vast majority of the population would be considered extreme American poverty. Based on what I saw I honestly have no idea why Chinese people are so happy with their current leadership. And I have no idea why the world suddenly has accepted that China is basically the new America. That is so silly and absurd to say that I just can’t imagine anyone would…unless they belief the myth of western media (and remember…Chinese people HATE western media! lol “WHY?!” would be my question to them.). It’s really a bizarre experience to see what chinese have and hear them say “no thanks…you suck…and we resent you and think you’re the world’s problem”. You need to slap yourself if you left China and are thinking of going back. Only go back unless you have a master’s degree and TONS of very good work experience. But even then, say goodbye to many things you take for granted now. It could be a disastrous decision for you. Don’t be stupid.

    I mean come on, folks, wake up. I just can’t believe a Chinese person living in another well developed nation would even think that going back to China is a dream life. I’m sorry to say but I have to in order to smack you with some common sense. I can understand going back to be with your family and friends and that’s great about the Great Wall and the ancient emperors. That’s rational and very normal. If you want to go back because you miss your actual mother, not “mother China”, okay that is normal. But you can’t be serious about getting a better quality life. You need to dip your head in ice bucket and stop watching/listening to those corny ass nationalistic videos produced by young CCP geeks. Wake up before you make a REALLY stupid decision. You could find yourself in a bad situation with no way to get back out of China. I would say China has at least 100 years before you could say most Chinese have a very high quality of decade-to-decade life. It’s not just microwaves, cars, and big screen tvs. It’s about lifestyle. You can ignore freedom of press/speech and all that other western “nonsense” but deep down in your heart you know those things are important to raise a child in. Your child will get a far greater education if you don’t go back to China. The vast majority of children in China will never step in a college classroom. Use your head, not your little red book heart. That whole Mao and motherland thing is cute and probably a powerful pull. But just wake up and get real. Mao killed about 100 million Chinese people with shockingly stupid ideas while collapsing China into a 3rd world country. Before Mao showed up China was a player and would have become industrialized like the rest of the world that did. That CCP nonsense is still going on ruining China’s chances at what most Chinese want. Chinese are not proud to be communist they are proud to be Han Chinese. But the motherland is choked in toxic fumes and a Great Firewall where bloggers have their doors knocked down for stupid things that aren’t even anti Chinese. Any child that wants to go to college in America will go to college. ONly lazy or bad attitudes will prevent a college education in America. In Europe and Canada you get it free. In some Euro countries they PAY you to go to college! Wake up and stop playing those childish videos or you might find yourself on a plane going “wtf am I doing?!”.

    I would also say that I can easily see China collapsing or going through a very rough time for a long time. I’m not so sure the “up” is going to go on and on. You should think what would happen should China’s dollar be properly valued or nations get tired of waiting for China to participate the same reasonable rules/regulations. I personally did not see any protection of copyright or landownership let alone some very very basic civil liberties. Chinese are delusional if they think they can go on and on without joining the developed world and respect other people’s products, logos, copyrights. The world has allowed the “they still need to figure out how to become modern” excuse. But that excuse is running out. You think you don’t need the west? Google (don’t go to the Google rip off Bidu) and search “the top 20 economies in the world”. Only Russia and China are not considered “the west”. And I wonder how long the leadership can tell its people “you eventually will be part of the economic success too” before their people realize it’s not going to happen for them.

    Unless you want to take advantage of poor migrant people, just stay where you are because there is not great life waiting the expats around the world. The only people making great money are those taking advantage of disadvantaged people. Only top communist leaders children are offered the best positions. I have seen LOTS of China. I have seen more of China than 99% of Chinese people. I know what I’m talking about. China will collapse bad if it does not change its morality and it does not respect health/safety/building codes as well as intellectual and creative property. Chinese people are seriously overconfident while super confident that America is fading. Hello??? Are you nuts? You need to get a grip on reality. Rushing back to China based on childish cartoon video national pride could wind up being a disaster for you. You need to instead start demanding your brothers and sisters back home start acting like world citizens instead of fired up CCP worker bees ready to sting the world for the mother land!!!! Oh I’m crying so hard for motherland!!!! I love you so much mother land!!!! Come on, you lunatics. Throw some cold water on your face. You should dance and sing that you got out of there.

    • Thanks for the stimulating ‘warning’. It was very enjoyable to read! It will make so many feel young again! The leadership of the Motherland so many crocodile tears are being shed for, will see what people write, correct wrongs where necessary and make sure the writers eat their words.

      Meanwhile do continue indulging in Zionism, beating on the Muslim World and pissing Russia, South America and even Japan (GTFO Yankee Military Bases) off. Let Osama bin Laden and the Ayatollah show the REAL haters what reality is.

      How about invading a few other countries as well, I’m sure Al Korea, Al Chink, Al Nigger, Al Latino and Al Indian will have lots to learn from Al Qaeda. That way lots of buildings will indeed physically collapse like you mention. Thanks for the inspiring prep-hate!

      Who else needs to get a grip on reality? Oh yes, the Chinese manufacturers who keep American consumers from going bankrupt with cheap goods. So go right ahead, a trade embargo will be just fine right about now. Don’t like the rest of East Asia and South America as well? Bring it on! Lets have embargoes up to wazoo.

      All can easily see the Caucaso-Western world collapsing or going through a very rough time for a long time. You can be sure the “down” is going to go on and on.

      It is the Caucaso-Western world that will collapse bad if it does not change its morality and is delusional if they think they can go on and on without respecting the developing world and pushing useless products, logos and copyrights that are even not worth the material they are printed on which are already mostly manufactured in Asia anyway.

      Citing Google? OMG. No, YOU come on, you lunatic. Throw some cold water on YOUR face. We should dance and sing that you stay where you are. Better eat your words now and leave the talking to qualified people instead of provoking the entire world with this BS.
      How irresponsible can some people get?

      Unless ill? But the healthcare system over there is not working YET so better ask Michael Moore to bring you to Cuba for treatment. Take it easy man, very entertaining rant though ! Good work and get well soon!

    • I like Turtles.

    • well, materialism is not everything. I like money!

  28. BaR: {I hope you don’t mind, I have a hard time keeping a straight face using “Babe Ruth” or “Ruth”, reminds me of the baseball legend and that delicious candy bar, also ‘B.R.’ reminds me of “Battle Royale” (great movie by the way, although the sequel was disappointing), “Babe” is just too close for comfort, but maybe if you stick around the website and we get to know each other better.}

    First let me say, WOW! 2011 words! I see your trip in China has made a lasting impression.

    Apparently your travel agency has short changed you sir. Instead of Shangri-la they must have dropped you off by Shanghai, a small fishing village I visited in my youth, it is a common mistake.

    It is true that we are still a developing nation, facing many difficult challenges, but your kind words have offered me hope. I had thought we would have to work to overcome these difficulties, just as we have in the past. You kindly pointed out to us that we have not really done anything, that it was in fact the west who gave us everything we enjoy today. Whew what a load off~. I hope you will continue your kindness in the future. At several points you remind us you have traveled extensively, seeing more of China than one billion three hundred and twelve million three hundred eighty three thousand and five hundred eighty three of us ever have. (99% of 2008 population estimate, of course it’s entirely possible you were only being humble and saw even more of China). In everyone of these place except the last, you decided “boy I should see more of China, maybe the next place will be different”. Well done sir, you are incredibly optimistic.

    (On the other hand, I can’t imagine what the last place in China you visited must have been like, to break the spirit of someone like you.)

    Thank you for revealing my mental illness and party affiliation. I have, as you said, believed in the hype about China, but thanks to you, I now have the record set straight: I did not see prosperity, only what my addled mind in combination with the CCP cult made me believe. Rest assured I will be seeking professional help.

    Finally, I want to thank you for warning everyone the danger of returning to China, thank heavens they did not fall for the lies of the CCP, foreign media, business elites and well, pretty much everyone.

    P.S. I have also visited some of the bad parts of New York, and heartily agree that even in the poorest slums people are more well off than they are in China. They are more gregarious too! Many times men dressed in rags have offered to give me some caps, even though they didn’t have much to wear themselves. Several of them even offered to “pop” them in (on?) my donkey, (how did they know I wonder, I left my ass in the hotel) but I politely refused.

  29. Sounds corny but I do get the point of this patriotic song and dance. the message is some FOBS or “fresh off the boat” still find it difficult to integrate with their new environment.

    For the younger generation in the west, they focus their entire time on facebook and twitter instead of nostalgia and soviet style slogans.

  30. I am a foreigner living in China

    Come and see my blog for ten reasons why living in China is great!

    http://thecapitalinthenorth.blogspot.com/2009/10/ten-things-i-like-about-china.html

  31. I want to meet the Chinese Toby Kieth that makes these songs.

  32. Please take your proud ass home. Proud nationals that long to go home are another reason why America is running out of money. You get the better jobs and put all your money in your chinese banks. Im not fooled your family back home is fine. mean while the treasury has to keep printing money because you and the rest of the immigrants keep spending the fuckin money out of the US.

    Im playing the same game as you fuckers. I work for a chinese engineering firm, I use my money to pay taxes in the US. your countries money is most likely my money so Im just helping my home country recoup what you guys have taken away.

    I would love to go back home but right now companies are still hip to that cheap chinese labor force your gov loves to shove down our throats. What CEO can pass a good deal like that? I can’t when China falls in with e rest of the world. History always repeats itself.

    yes im disgruntled big time. Fuck chinese National pride. Its only convenient for the chinese to be proud when they are progressing. But would you be proud if you went back and your luck turns for the worst.

    • “I work for a chinese engineering firm, I use my money to pay taxes in the US. your countries money is most likely my money so Im just helping my home country recoup what you guys have taken away.”

      It’s not a tit for tat issue. Rather it’s an issue of uncontrolled profiteering that American companies have which makes it impossible for them to sell any of their over priced goods. The nation which provides the cheapest goods will be the overall winner.

      USA’s Capitalist mentality has prevented them from doing that, although the cheap goods which enable a modern lifestyle are in great part due to the unwitting sacrifices of the blue collar workers in China who expect nothing as compared to the demands of workers in the First World driving up costs on top of Capitalist greed.

      Eventually the blue collar workers of India and China will wise up and demand the same as USA’s workers expect, that will be crunch time for the world and I really can’t imagine how that problem will be solved. But for the handful of decades before workers in such countries start demanding their due, the world can still enjoy cheap goods.

      Are you a citizen of the world or a citizen of just one country? These will be the collective problems of mankind, and very likely in our lifetime. Would anyone be proud if they went back from wherever they are when the world becomes impossibly costly to live in?

      It has nothing to do with luck at all, but governance paradigms, labour rights and wealth distribution models that do not work . . .

  33. As China’s booming economy becomes the locomotive to bring the polluted world out of regression????? WAit was it not the world investing in a regressed polluted corrupt country ruled by an oppressive regime in return for human rights and reforms for ordinary Chinese people that actually put money in Chinese banks???????
    These nationalists have a short memory ===I think it is time the world ceased investing in China.

  34. xmcx

    I found your post a little annoying but couldn’t quite rationalize away the apparent truths that most overseas Chinese do not return to China and instead opt to stay in their adopted country and that these same people are incredibly nationalistic about China.

    I think most overseas Chines become more nationalistic as they stay in their adopted/host country. The shock of sudden and drastic change in cultural immersion challenges one’s established sense of cultural identity, and people often bond with other immigrants of similar backgrounds which then embrace and strengthen their shared identity. The most common example is formation of ghettos – in this case China towns – to deal with difficulties of language acquisition, finding a suitable job, etc. Moreover most Chinese immigrants (at least earlier ones) have a romantic notion of the west as the land of milk and honey. The subsequent disillusionment from long hours at often menial jobs naturally makes one demonize the host country and romanticize the life and country they left behind.

    These are common to almost all immigrants, but there are also factors which are uniquely Chinese. Despite rapid advances of China in the recent decades, most western media still portray China as a communist regime and labels it using outdated rhetoric and ideological positions. Often times overseas Chinese feel indirectly persecuted when the media feature lopsided presentation of China, emphasizing its flaws while ignoring its accomplishments. These unnecessary and sometimes enthusiastic demonization of China as a continuation of red scare of the cold war also contributes to discrimination of immigrant Chinese in host countries and leads to feeling of resentment as a backlash.

    It doesn’t help that the CCP have positioned China in a perpetual state of victimization in recent history and any threats to sovereignty, real or perceived, conjure up memories of foreign imperialism and trigger knee jerk outrage and indignation.

    All of these factors, plus issues like Tibet and Taiwan and push oversea Chinese toward zealous nationalism which are then perceived as something endemic to the current culture of Chinese everywhere like a self-reinforcing cycle.

    —-

    I’ve gone off on bit of a tangent, I guess what I’m trying to say is, expat Chinese can become a citizen of another country while still have a deep emotional attachment to the place of their birth, just chill out.

  35. whichone.

    Thoughtful post.

    This perpetual state of victimisation …key point which is/will be milked for all its worth.

    However, the accomplishments you mention have a very serious environment cost which will really hit home in the mainland in very near future……water, water and water. (okay, we benefit with cheap digital toys.)

  36. well said whichone! I agree with you!

  37. very well said, describes my feelings here in rural Canada.

  38. Nice post, whichone. I’d like to add that, while the tendency to take refuge in the local Chinatown is natural, it makes it impossible in the long run to acculturate and succeed more broadly within the host country. It’s a trap that’s easy to fall into, and one that most escape only when they stay long term, and only then through their children born and socialized in the schools there.

    You’re right that a lot of Chinese have romantic notions about the West. Unfortunately, after arriving in the West and having been disabused of their romantic notions, too many turn their back on the country and limit themselves to their Chinatown communities. Chinatown business owners, especially restaurants, take advantage of this, offering low hourly wages, usually paid under the table. Language limitations and inability to interact effectively with Western culture set up a pool of easily exploitable labour. The only way to save the money they dreamed they would get is by working insanely long hours for Chinese bosses.

    It’s a sad situation for their children who have to grow up fast and act as the bridge between their parents and the host country. The hierarchy of traditional Chinese families conflicts sharply with the reality of the children acting as caregivers for their parents in relation to host country institutions. This happens at a very young age for the children. It’s a real strain on Chinese families.

  39. Orz.

    “indoctrinated person”?

    alright.

    I dont think that you know anything about me. And I dont want to bother you with your delusions either.

    It just seems that the democratic indoctrination of 21 years by liberal-minded german foster parents resulted into following the facist CCP. Yay. If Mao knew about this ideological backlash, he would’ve send more children to democratic countries to study.

    And why should this assumption be bull?

    Please be a kid to me and rip my statement with historical facts and sciencetifical proves apart.

    Before this, you are just all talk.

  40. Easy:

    1) Muslims make up
    less than ten percent of the European population by its broadest definition (i.e., including Turkey, Albania, Kosovo and Russia). In EU countries they make up only 16 million among a total population of 500 million people.

    2) The Muslim birth rate decreases with each generation from the first to immigrate. Third-generation Muslim immigrants have a birthrate not much more than the average for the total population.

    3) The majority of European Muslim immigrants come from fairly moderate nations like Turkey and Tunisia, not Saudi Arabia.

    4) The birthrate in the non-Muslim population in many nations (France and the UK for example) is actually increasing.

    5) Even the use of the word ‘Muslim’ here is putting the case rather too strongly, since it includes all of those who are descended from Muslim immigrants as Muslims, whereas many of them are either non-believers or have converted to other religions.

    From the above facts, provable by even the most cursory inspection of the statistics, you can see that your opinions on Muslims in Europe are pseudo-intellectual garbage.

    Your moronic homophobia I will not stoop to argue with, except to say that if they knew of your far-right views no modern German prosecutor’s office would want to employ you – but perhaps a previous German government could have made good use of you!

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