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1. Joe

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 4:28 pm

   Good thing I didn’t make this post ;)

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2. Rick in China

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 5:08 pm

   “Qinghai is so far from us, so we can can only silently remember/pay condolences from a distant place,”

   Or buy them some supplies n stuff.

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   • lxjx

     Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 2:15 am

     You misread the sentence, or the meaning was lost again in translation.

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   • Gaaad!!!

     Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 4:13 am

     A very literal mind wicky-dick Rick has,
     Perforce he git his kicks only by one up the ass,
     Wherein he sings soprano like a castrto at mass.

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     • Rick in China

       Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 9:13 am

       I can’t figure out if you truly think you’re being witty with your repetative attempted insults, or whether you cry yourself to sleep at the realization you’re an utter failure in many regards.

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       • Gaaad!!!

         Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 10:02 pm

         POW! WOW! Sucky Rick got me there in the gut,
         Woooo! And how it hurts me so like a mangy mutt,
         With pride and puffed-out chest away he strut,
         Dragging along his only low-hanging nut,
         To rut once more with his Mick in smut,
         “Alas!” he moans if only his wick would reach his gut.

         LOL!!!!

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       • joey

         Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 6:43 am

         wtf is wrong with you Rick. Does your pea-sized brain of petty biatching somehow affect your reading comprehension?

         “…Qinghai is so far from us, so we can can only silently remember/pay condolences from a distant place,…” means as opposed to paying condolences IN PERSON.

         …Dumbass. With that moronic disposition of yours, I have a feeling you’re not having a good time in China right now. Because the one thing Chinese culture looks down on are dimwits.

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3. Beholder

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 6:22 pm

   Let’s be exact: isn’t the internet a great way to salve the conscience! Be it Facebook groups or posting photos of yourself holding up a scribbled message on a notebook. I ding this! Jia you!

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   • Tins of sardines

     Monday, April 19, 2010 at 10:06 pm

     It has been a while since I have salved anything. I like a good salve.

     I prefer to do it by my salve.

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4. PUSAN PLAYA

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 6:48 pm

   I’m sad because it happened to Tibetans who are an endangered species, their lives are worth much more than common Chinamen.

   I’m not saying this because I hate all Chinese or anything but think about it, would you be more sad if a thousand bunnies died or a thousand pandas died? They’re both cute in their own way but the world can live with a thousand less bunnies.

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   • Pete

     Monday, April 19, 2010 at 7:24 pm

     My balls are much rarer than pandas…are they therefore more valuable than pandas?

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     • PUSAN PLAYA

       Monday, April 19, 2010 at 7:33 pm

       At the end of the day they’re just Chinaman balls, American balls, Jap balls, etc, two of millions. You do not qualify as a separate race, nationality or ethnicity and neither do your balls.

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       • Gaaad!!!

         Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 4:22 am

         LOL! Pusan Puss-boy is an expert on “balls”! Sucked on a few have ya? LOL! Although, I shouldn’t be surprised really with your track record. I betcha your all time favourite musta be sweaty, well marinated GI balls in return for all da Hershey bars you can get your soft pudgy hands on, non? LOL!

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         • That Chinese Kid

           Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 9:12 am

           Yeah, we should totally terminate all the South Koreans. There is already Koreans up North, why the hell do we need two? Plus North Koreans are ‘cuter’ per se.
         • Gaaad!!!

           Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 3:02 am

           @ Uber

           LOL! Should you know your S. Korean history better you would know that it had nothing to do with intelligence that S. Koreans did not follow a crazy psychotic dictator. But then the S. Korean government killed enough of it’s own people along the way all the same.
         • huh

           Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:58 am

           Agreed. If we are to assume that life is unequal then two Koreas are redundant.

           The world can live with fewer Tibetans, fewer anybody for that matter. Life moves on with or without you.
   • beowulf

     Monday, April 19, 2010 at 10:09 pm

     Just ignoring the blatant rasism in your spreach. How are Tibetans are an endangered species? There is a serious population growth (yes – Tibetans) which also has effects on the fragile ecological systems in the himalaya (overgrazing). Not even the Dalai Lama is saying that tibetans are “dying out”, because it would be so ridiculous. Instead he is saying, that tibetan culture is dying out and is only kept alive in dharamsala. (and using words like cultural genocide to mislead people and emotions)

     So with your inhumane logic it should not make any difference. The tibetans who died are already assimilated or soiled by chinese influence. Right?

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     • huh

       Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 8:13 am

       Great observation. Cultural genocide is a moot point. It’s not even a genocide to begin with.

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   • lxjx

     Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 2:33 am

     If King Tubby is an ass, you’re really the hole in it. Find a bangzi to stick into it and stop farting. Enough said.

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   • 兰萏

     Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 9:56 am

     I agree with the Playa. Truly sad…not that anyone needs disaster (though we’re going to get them anyway after abusing the earth for so long); but Tibetans? Come on..
     The only saying that comes to mind is ‘when it rains it pours,’ .. can we hope for a rainbow afterwards? Or is that too optimistic :/

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   • J. Li

     Sunday, October 24, 2010 at 3:36 am

     Fucking gook, next time South Korea has a natural disaster, we’ll say “well it’s not like Japanese lives are lost, Koreans are just a cheaper imitation of Japs anyway”. A shortage of kimchi is probably enough to kill of half your population, fucking gooks can’t survive without sour cabbage.

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5. hanfu

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 7:58 pm

   you hate all chinese?

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6. Moo

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 9:17 pm

   “I’m sad because it happened to Tibetans who are an endangered species, their lives are worth much more than common Chinamen.

   I’m not saying this because I hate all Chinese or anything but think about it, would you be more sad if a thousand bunnies died or a thousand pandas died? They’re both cute in their own way but the world can live with a thousand less bunnies.”

   That’s one of the most offensive and preposterous comments I’ve heard.

   First of all, Lives are lives. Whether a Tibetan die or a Han Chinese die or a Korean die, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. Someone’s Son/daughter/mother/father is DEAD, and they should be treated with the same dignity and respect..to say one ‘type’ of person is worth more than another simply based on ‘how rare they are’ is one really FUCKED up argument.

   Secondly, How you can equate human lives to animal lives completely boggles my mind. We’re not little furry creatures.. Maybe you are, but the rest of us aren’t.

   It’s people like you and your fucked up thinking that makes me worry about our future generations. You must have had a rough childhood growing up.

   Good day

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   • Tins of sardines

     Monday, April 19, 2010 at 10:00 pm

     Nice hypocritical statement.

     “First of all, Lives are lives. Whether a Tibetan die or a Han Chinese die or a Korean die, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.”

     …then you go on to say…

     “How you can equate human lives to animal lives completely boggles my mind.”

     My suggestion… get a life.

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     • keius

       Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 3:43 am

       When someone says ‘lives are lives’, it’s implied that the person making the statement means HUMAN lives. This is common sense. It shouldn’t even need to be explained.

       However, in real life, lives are not the same and are not equal. Theology is all good but reality is like a biatchslapping you while your sitting on the toilet. Was Mao Zedong’s life worth the same as the ordinary pig farmer? Most would argue not, even his enemies.
       Some places in China, cops will walk by and ignore a poor person dying on the side of the road (and don’t tell me this doesn’t happen, i’ve friggin seen it and
       yes i’m Chinese). If a corrupt high official sprains his ankle while making his way to his mistress, the cop’ll most likely carry him on his back all the way home.

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       • huh

         Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 8:20 am

         Indeed. Human life is inherently unequal with the majority of people being insignificant. Including me.

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7. Singapore Short Stories

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 11:29 pm

   Jia You !

   From Friends of Singapore

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8. whatever

   Monday, April 19, 2010 at 11:37 pm

   this kind of disaster should happend at 中南海, destroy those few buildings and the people (ZF) who live in there

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9. Name (required)

   Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 12:24 am

   Support means add oil?

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   • beowulf

     Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 3:04 am

     Yes or “to gas up”, “to fuel”, “tank up”…

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     • huh

       Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 8:22 am

       That’s right folk’s, add the oil! Burn baby burn!

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10. Shanhairen

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I think the Holocaust was considered uniquely evil because there were so few Jews compared to the number that were killed. The total number of Chinese people who died in WWII is greater than the number of Jews who died, but I think people realize there is a difference. So I don’t think Pusan Playa’s comments are that out of line.

    Several decades ago, the Tibetan resettling program of the Chinese government killed many thousands of Tibetans (though probably not as many as the Tibet lobby claims). But now the economy is developing in Tibet due to Chinese investment, and this should lead to less malnutrition and an increasing population. I’m not sure I would say Tibetans are an endangered people, but the culture might be, as I think it’s hard to maintain one’s culture in an area where you suddenly become the minority and the government regulates certain aspects of the religion.

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    • keius

      Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 4:03 am

      Was the treatment of Tibetan’s by the Chinese gov’t unhumane or atrocious? Probably. In many ways, when you consider the times, this was almost unavoidable.
      Look at what happened to the American Indians.

      The big thing to look at though, is the here and now.
      I think Tibet is better off with the Chinese presence right now. Think of what Tibet would be like w/o the Chinese. Some may argue that they’d be better off but i seriously doubt it. The Dalai Lama knows Tibet is better off with the backing of Chinese resources. He just wants to be top dog and maintain the Chinese presence but under his ‘guidance’. Just another wannabe religious dictator. As for their culture, yeah, it’s sad that is going down the drain…but I can argue that Chinese culture in general is going down the drain too. Western values and capitalism, along with the good and the bad is creeping it’s way in. The face of China is slowly changing.

      oh yeah…China isn’t Communist. You can call it Commie but if you look up what Communism is, China barely even resembles it. In China, being Communist just means belonging to the party.

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      • B. Prichard

        Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 11:32 am

        I have no particularly strong feelings about Tibetan independence or the Dalai Lama; however, your argument is not good.

        I take no issue with your claims that the economic situation of Tibet has improved since 1959, but I doubt very much that economics are the main source of Tibetan consternation.

        They’re probably more interested in self-determination of peoples as laid out in the UN Charter. This is not an uncommon feeling, I think. No one likes to live under an authority that they feel is illegitimate.

        You’re dead on about the lack of communism in China though.

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        • keius

          Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 12:47 am

          I agree with you about ‘self-determination’ but let’s face it, there is a 0% chance on that, absolutely 0.
          My feeling is that one has to adapt or die.

          The Dalai Lama is just making things difficult for his ‘people’ in Tibet by fermenting conflict and he’s going to die far away from home. The Chinese gov’t hates him so much i doubt they’ll let him come back to even die.

          If there was a chance that rebellion might work, i could understand but Tibetans best shot or hope is integration in to China’s ‘system’. They have to get their own people in to high positions so they can have their own corrupt Tibetan officials instead of corrupt Han officials. That’s their best shot at preserving whats left of their culture.

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          • keius

            Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 12:49 am

            And yes, this is incredibly messed up but it’s China.
            Isn’t that what the ethnic Mongolian’s did?
          • B. Prichard

            Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 9:24 am

            I don’t think it’s particularly easy for Tibetans to ascend within the party, either, though. While the gov’t isn’t quite as suspicious of Tibetan Buddhism as it is of Muslims, they’re still not going to let anyone who professes belief in it get far. And is it even remotely possible to get such a critical mass of Tibetan or Tibetan friendly party members that any changes can be made or that Tibetans can be protected next time the shit hits the fan (which it certainly will again at some point)?

            In the end, there is no way out. They’re not becoming independent; they’re not gaining more autonomy from the central government; and they are going to have to endure a lot more Han migration into the region. They’re cornered. Cornered people tend to get aggressive.

            I completely agree that the government isn’t letting the Dalai Lama back in the country at any time. And I agree that he’s not particularly doing Tibetans any good. Should be interesting to see what happens when he dies, though. If the party tries to select the next Dalai Lama, reconciliation becomes yet again more difficult.
11. Yin

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 1:17 am

    The Holocaust is considered uniquely evil because it was a targeted genocide and the methods by which it was carried out (ie gas chambers) were highly disturbing. More Russians, Germans, and Chinese died during World War II than Jews, but they died mostly in the course of war, which, being common, does not quite disturb the human psyche as much.

    Of course, there is also the political angle: Jewish suffering was used by the Allies, post-war, to justify their victory and the policies they implemented in its aftermath, such as disarming Germany, expelling Germans from Eastern Europe, and taking control of its government.

    Pusan Playa is being a troll as usual.

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12. Moo

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 6:13 am

    “Nice hypocritical statement.

    “First of all, Lives are lives. Whether a Tibetan die or a Han Chinese die or a Korean die, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.”

    …then you go on to say…

    “How you can equate human lives to animal lives completely boggles my mind.”

    My suggestion… get a life.”

    Someone with half a brain would clearly understand “lives” refer to human lives, especially given the fact I said ” Someone’s Son/daughter/mother/father is DEAD”

    Can’t believe I have to explain something so obvious and rudimentary.

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    • Tins of sardines

      Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 12:36 pm

      Gee, you hold yourself in high esteem.

      I am glad that as a human your life is worth so much more to this planet than those of ‘little furry creatures’.

      Please continue contributing to this wonderful planet… your majesty.

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13. keius

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 6:46 am

    From quake symphathy to
    Tibets politics and human rights to
    the Jewish holocaust…

    What are we talking about again? :P
    Oh yeah…we’re talking about the
    Red Dawn movie remake about China invading the US…
    I can’t wait for the Chinese Netizens reactions to that
    and i’m sure we’ll get a good blog entry out of it.

    What were we talking about again? oh yeah..
    Jacky Chan’s new movie! Chinese Karate rulz!

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14. Hei_Bai

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 7:08 am

    加油 is played out

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15. of Canada

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Most poeple died in this quake because they lived in shacks made out of scavenged stones and mud. . . How can such a wealthy country, that owns american debt have such poor conditions?? Ooops I forgot we are only supposed to focus on the positive rescue efforts. . that is the message mandated to Chinese media outlets.

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    • 你是猪

      Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 1:51 pm

      You know what, that’s for them to sort out, 干你屁事啊

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16. Cool Matt

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I understand why they are making heroes out of the rescuers. Every country does that.

    I understand why there is no news coverage about villagers freezing in the cold, and collapsed schools. Because many Chinese start to cry once somebody observes something bad happening in the country. Nothing bad happens here and if it does, don’t talk about it you western media jerks.

    But what I don’t understand is the lack of accountability and ability to improve upon the core problems that cause such disasters.
    Mining disaster happens, punish those at the mine, and wait for another one to happen again.
    Earthquake happens, nobody to punish, so target parents who ask why schools collapsed killing their kids. Wait to happen again.

    I admit, economics is not my strong point, but what a commenter said above was true. China does have alot of extra money floating around. I understand they can’t pump too much money into the country. But for projects that keep mines from collapsing and houses from falling on people, maybe China should use some of this money.
    Instead of arresting or talking down to those who find problems in China, it is time to listen to them so that disasters effects can be minimized.

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17. UltraFarkistan

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    That baby is one ugly Mofo. Its a boy wearing a pink tutu, you know what that means right? He’s gonna be a man-lover. Guess his mom preparing him for when the male-female ratio thing hits him hard.

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    • Kris78

      Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 1:13 pm

      Only ugly Mofos pick on babies. You’ve no proof the child isn’t a girl.

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18. Cool Matt

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Is that area still blocked from using the internet since the riots? All these messages to them, although a good gesture, might be a waste of time. Even unblocked, how many farmers have a computer or internet access? Especially after an earthquake?

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19. Losang

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    as a Tibetan, I give you guys some simple statistics. Hopefully this clear out some misunderstandings.
    1949-1979,
    (1) the CCP murdered 1.2 millions of Tibetans, through starvations, mass murders and wars. Which was 1/6 of total population.
    (2) The CCP destroyed and looted over three thousand monasteries and cultural sites, (.99%) in the Tibetan plateau.
    (3) The CCP forced two hundreds thousand Tibetans to flee their countries and now they live in the exile.
    (4) The CCP totally banned to teach Tibetan language and cultural at school from 1958-1979s.
    Some facts about this earthquake,
    (1) It was Tibetan monks(two thousands of them) and Tibetans arrived on site first and digging out while the PLA protected weapon storages, gas stations, and government blds. Until enforcement arrived from Xining and Lanzhu, the PLA in Yush did nothing to save lives.
    (2) After two days, thousands PLA personals and volunteers from China arrived in Yushu, but they could not do much of relief effort because the high altitude.
    (3) After three days, the government and Chinese people poured in supplies and materials, now everyone has a tent to sleep and food to eat.
    (4) At the moment, there are ten thousands soldiers with ten thousand monks.
    (5) Meanwhile, the media in China has never or rarely reported monks’ efforts.

    For the Chinese people, we don’t hate you, but we don’t like your government and how the government treats us for last 60 yrs.

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    • beowulf

      Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 9:27 pm

      For the tibetan people, we do not hate you, but we don´t like your dalai lama and his lies and hate speach he is sprading for the last 60 years.

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      • Cool Matt

        Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 10:52 pm

        problem is, tibetan people love the Dalai lama. so now what?

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        • beowulf

          Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 2:55 am

          Nothing. As long as the dalai lama lives the conflict will go on. The same is true about the chinese state.

          So I favor that the chinese state continues to exist. The US governement might favor anarchy and civil war. But I am not even sure about this either. They are satisfied if they can annoy China here and their.

          The big loosers are the tibetans in exile. But it is their own decision if they want to keep believing that the white men will come and help rescue them like in those white men fairy tales (e.g. avatar)

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          • Cool Matt

            Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:26 pm

            I wish i shared your belief that the conflict will end after the Dalai Lama passes away. But I don’t think that will be the case. At least not for sure. I mean, we are talking about people’s beliefs, not simply a man. Take Taiwan for instance. Chang Kai Shek died many years ago but the issue is still there.
            The US government isn’t deliberately trying to make China angry when it comes to Tibet. When it meets with the Dalai Lama, it is simply trying to get both sides of the story.
            I think the biggest losers are Tibetans in general. not just the ones in exile. They are losing their way of life,their lives, their religion, their language all for the sake of modernity that they never asked to have.
            Forget the white man’s burden. In China, its the Han man’s burden.
          • Losang

            Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 8:31 pm

            i tell you something. frankly, I don’t care much about what DL says and whether he lives or dead. It is the issue of Tibetan people, not Dalai Lama.
            it is the CCP that came to Tibet under the name of liberation and then they murdered us under the name of communism and now they are destroying us the name of name of development.
            Dalai Lama is the best friend that China can have and only he can give legitimacy to China. Otherwise, none Tibetans can give legitimacy to China because we had never ruled by Chinese until 1949.

            If Dalai Lama dies in exile, then it will be a different game. so far, all tibetans are listening Dalai Lama and his pacifist views, but there are limits.
            Believe me , we are young, and know china very well and more than Chinese know Tibetans.
    • Alikese

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:20 am

      Here are some really great pictures of the relief effort in Yushu (showing PLA and Tibetan Monks helping out):

      http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/earthquake_in_yushu_china.html

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    • beowulf

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 3:02 am

      (5) Meanwhile, the media in China has never or rarely reported monks’ efforts.

      Before I forget it:
      http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/qinghai/2010-04/17/content_9742506.htm

      I know it is evil propaganda that monks and rescue workers are working together. Everybody knows that monks are saving lives and rescue workers are there just for killing babies.

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    • Gaaad!!!

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 3:05 am

      I just glazed over… quick someone wake me up!

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    • joey

      Saturday, April 24, 2010 at 4:01 am

      you know, the CCP murdered many Chinese during that time period too. You Tibetans are NOT the only victims of that era.

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20. BKK

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    It’s the usual ”Look at me everybody! aren’t I a wonderful kind hearted synpathetic Chinese person!”
    I wonder how much CASH they stumped up and how much of that will actually make it to the victims once the usual suspects have stolen their share?
    Why do they feel the need to show the world how ”good” they are?
    Cheap egoism !

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    • keius

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:35 am

      Face face baby….nothing more important than face.
      You should see my in-laws, they’d bankrupt themselves and me if possible for more facetime. Then again, my parents are almost as bad. I personally could care less about what others think about me. My wife used to be like that before marriage but my parents put way too much pressure on her…she’s changed a bit…

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    • beowulf

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 2:48 am

      Yeah – and that is the reason why 90% do not show their face on the pictures.

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      • BKK

        Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:24 pm

        errrrrr have they not signed their names?

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    • huh

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 8:38 am

      That’s odd because it looks to me like your observation is more applicable to the monks. Some of the Tibetan monks are even smiling. The PRC soldiers look downright miserable like they don’t want to be there, but at lease they’re honest about it.

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21. Losang

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 4:31 am

    Beowulf,
    this is typical of the CCP , only Chinese can help Tibetans, we don’t know anything, not civilized, even don’t know how to wash our face until your liberation army came. how can we trust you and believe you?

    without thinking anything, just blame on us, we are bad guys and we are make troublems for china.

    go to read news in chinese, there is no single picture, at least I have not seen yet, shows that monks are helping , only chinese are helping , not Tibetans.

    . Of course, there is a picture of monks in english visions of the people’s daily, u know why.

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    • beowulf

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 5:14 am

      “go to read news in chinese, there is no single picture, at least I have not seen yet, shows that monks are helping , only chinese are helping , not Tibetans. ”

      Go to baidu – tip in “玉树地震” and press enter.

      To difficult for you? Ok, I help you:
      http://image.baidu.com/i?tn=baiduimage&ct=201326592&cl=2&lm=-1&fr=&pv=&ic=0&z=0&se=1&word=%D3%F1%98%E4%B5%D8%D5%F0&s=0&sme=0&rn=21&pn=0&ln=2000

      I think this proofs for good that your statement is just pure nonsence.

      You know what the difference between your propaganda and the propaganda of the ccp is?

      CCP is focusing on their rescue workers but also mentions the help of the monks. Goal: Unity – everbody is helping everybody.

      Your propaganda is telling us the chinese do not help the victims and are performing just a big show. Your monks are really helping but are not shown and even hinderd by evil chinese. Your Goal: Hate – try to raise the tension between tibetans, han and western to keep up an illusionary fight for independence.

      I do not hate you. I just pity you exile tibetans. You were raised to hate and told that this is love. You were told the americans will save you, but in the end you are just a tool to annoy the Chinese. In the end you are just wasting your time and energy to damage China and keep up the tensions in tibet, while you coud be in Tibet and help to develop the country.

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    • Gaaad!!!

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:09 am

      Just to be fair I’ve seen a few Tibetan websites and none of them posted pictures of Chinese soldiers or orange clad rescue workers trying to help either and I wonder why is that?

      Personally, I’ve come across some very silly reporting in the media about the conduct of the Chinese rescue workers. Examples include that they were lazy, when in fact they were resting and sticking to a regime of acclimatization as these rescuers came from all over China and if you don’t pace yourself in the high altitude you become just another burden for the relief effort.

      That they want to take credit and drive the monks away once the monks found a trapped person. The truth is that a disorganised and unplanned/uncordinated removal of debris by untrained persons, monks or otherwise, can do more harm than good especially if it causes more debris to collapse on the trapped person.

      As for soldiers based in Yushu only guarding government/military structures after the earthquake, well that’s their assigned task and their duty. They were not trained or assigned by their chain of command for relief work. Should the same event happen in the US or anywhere else, soldiers assigned to guard nuclear missles, bases or government facilities will be expected to remain at their posts no matter what. Abandoning one’s assigned post is ground for a court martial in any military.

      Those PLA soldiers and orange clad rescuer and other relief workers came from all over China and while many of them are undoubtedly Han Chinese, there are also Uyghur, Miao, Hui, Mongolian and Chinese of other ethnic groups among them, including, surprise, surprise, Tibetans who joined the PLA, the Armed Police, the regular police or the government, especially those seconded to the relief effort from their unit to work as translators. So are you going to hate them all?

      Then there are accusations of the Chinese government downplaying the death toll when some Tibetans in the area choose to take the bodies of their family members to the monasteries, thereby complicating the identification and recording process in order to calculate the supplies needed and determining the most affected area to target the relief effort. So yes, sometimes overzealous and irrational adherence to religion can and do come in the way of effective humanitarian relief work.

      That Chinese rescuers were busy collecting Tibetan dogs to sell in China rather than helping. Actually, dogs and other animals do need to be rounded up or shot on sight in a disaster zone where many people have died in order to contain the spread of diseases and to prevent them from complicating the recovery and identification process.

      All in all I would say that in some of the reportings, it seems Overseas Tibetans appear to rather wish that no relief would come to Yushu at all just to affirm their pre-conceived notions that all non-Tibetan/Han Chinese hate Tibetans. It must be really uncomfortable to have one’s prejudice challenged I guess, but I do wonder what it is like to grow up with all that hatred, holding fast on to the belief that China “hates” you and your people.

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      • beowulf

        Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 11:00 am

        A lot of what you say makes sense. But be careful – you do not know if not some of the accusations are just pure fiction. Like the story with the dogs.

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22. Losang

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:39 am

    beowulf,
    this is exactly I am talking about, and this is how China’s state media portrayed the monks. Monks are just dealing with dead bodies and performing religious duty and ceremonies, nothing more, not actually digging and rescuer works. In contrast, there were thousand images of solders and Chinese workers were digging and performing rescuer works.
    For Tibetan minds, these are two different things, and the China’s government knows it too. Tell me, why? After all, it was almost ten thousands monks who first arrived there It took almost two days rescure workers from china to get in Yush and then they had adjust high altitude. Meanwhile, it was who monks and locals did the most digging and collected bodies.
    Why there are so such pictures?
    If you want to be objective and want to heal between two nationalities, why can’t you little bit more objective and consider our sensibilities. This is the opportunity to repair wounds, at least consider our concern and distrust your government as legitimate issues.

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    • beowulf

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 11:07 am

      “Monks are just dealing with dead bodies and performing religious duty and ceremonies, nothing more, ”

      This is just bullshit. You find a lot of pictures showing monks dealing with the dead, because it is the latest news.

      If you search just a little bit more, you will find pictures like this one:

      http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=503316480&z=0&tn=baiduimagedetail&word=%D3%F1%CA%F7%B5%D8%D5%F0&in=3675&cl=2&cm=1&sc=0&lm=-1&pn=966&rn=1&di=355294806&ln=2000&fr=&ic=0&s=0&se=1

      and many more. I would happily give you more links, but chinasmack is telling me that my comment looks to “spammy” :-(

      and here is my favorite picture:

      http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=503316480&z=0&tn=baiduimagedetail&word=%D3%F1%CA%F7%B5%D8%D5%F0&in=10143&cl=2&cm=1&sc=0&lm=-1&pn=965&rn=1&di=344601501&ln=2000&fr=&ic=0&s=0&se=1

      Hu Jintao is bowing (!) and saying thank you to abuddhist monks who helped to rescue people.

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      • Losang

        Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 3:22 pm

        beowulf,
        (1)thank you! at least you have found one picture that shows monks are helping. It is nice and I wish there are more pictures like this. But sadly, there were none of them in printing media and tv. if you don’t believe me, go to check.
        (2) you “favorite picture” that “Hu Jintao is bowing (!) and saying thank you to abuddhist monks who helped to rescue people”
        I have not seen any captions and comments that Hu was bowing and saying thanks to monks, and you just made up the story. In contrast, wen jiabao went to the Thranga monastery and thanked monks for relief efforts. Sadly, even his comments did not mention in China’s media, TV, printing.

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        • beowulf

          Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 12:55 am

          “But sadly, there were none of them in printing media and tv.”

          It is really a funny game we are playing. Not?

          1. You say there the media in china has never reported the monks efforts:

          I give you a link to an article with pictures and the name “Standing together, Caring for each other” about monks and rescue workers who are trying to save lives.

          2. You say go to read news in chinese, there is no single picture.

          I give you a link to baidu and tell you what you have to tipp in to find masses fo pictures showing monks are helping the people.

          3. You say monks are just dealing with dead bodies (which by the way also shows that they are helping) and are not showing digging.

          I tell you that this are the latest news, and that is the reason why you find more pictures of that at the first few result sides. If you scroll down, you will find also pictures showing monks digging. By the way, originally I had several links in my post. But Chinasmack thougt there were to many links, and my post might be spam. So I had to pick two pictures. One showing monks digging (Here another one, it is really easy to find much more – but you know Chinasmack is afraid of spam attacks: http://news.fjnet.com/jjdt/jjdtnr/201004/t20100416_152396.htm )

          and the other one showing Hu Jintao saying thank you to the monks. And yes this gesture is definitly saying “thank you”. Hu Jintao is bowing, while holding with both hands (!), one hand of the monk. If you ever have been to China, even Tibet, you would now this gesture. By the way I do not believe that you grew up in Tibet. Your english is far too good and not knowing this widely known chinese gesture says a lot.

          For that our ridiculous game continue..

          4. You say there were none of them (pictures) in printing media and tv.

          To show you pictures out of print (!) media is a little bit difficult. I do not have a scanner and I also do not collect old newspapers.

          But TV – oh that is easy.

          This is the first vid I clicked at youku. In this video you can say monks digging together with rescue workers. e.g. at second 27

          http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTY2MDMwNzg0.html

          I do not have the time and the mood to watch several clips and noting how many times and when monks are showing digging. I have also enough spending my time from watching corpses and crying people. I think I clearly showed that your accusations are just hatefull bullshit. That you do not want (!) to believe me, was to expect. The sad thing is, that the tibetans in exile hate propaganda is already already bearing fruits. Of course the western media are jumping on this waggon to. But what can you do? The only thing you can learn from this is, that you people can not be trusted at all.

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23. Losang

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Gaaad,
    I tell you something, as a tibetan who was born and grew up in Tibet, we know how china’s government works, and we are 24 hrs on the phone, and we know what is happening, all our families, friends and classmates are still in Tibet and china.
    there are almost no Tibetans who joined the PLA and the most of these translators were volunteer from colleges in Lanzhu, Xining and and Chengdu, not too many though.

    if you love china and want to keep tibet is as a part of china, pls consider tibetan issues and concerns are seriously. don’t take these as anti-chinese slogans. at least, to talk tibetans first instead of giving lectures to them.
    i can talk to anything , and everything, let’s talk , and seriously , and honestly , as people to people, not a tibetan or chinese.
    would you?

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    • Gaaad!!!

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 9:01 am

      LOL! I’m not “Chinese” and does “almost” mean there are no Tibetans at all in the PLA, the Armed Police, the regular police or within the Chinese government? Then those I’ve met musta been lying then eh? And I betcha all Overseas Tibetans must know each and every single Tibetan within China then? How many Tibetans are there in China again? And how do you determine who is and isn’t a Tibetan? Does Tibetan blood flow a different colour from everybody else?

      And btw, I do take Tibetan issues seriously, but only those raised by and with regards to Tibetans WITHIN China, rather than those raised by “Tibetans” (first, second, third generations or otherwise) OUTSIDE of Tibet, who PURPORTS to speak on behalf of ALL Tibetans.

      The reasons being that you guys have allowed yourself to become tools of others and yourself and are simply not credible, particularly with people who knows China well now that China has become more open. I’ve seen how you guys twist almost every single relatively straight forward issue that have relatively simple reasons into one of ethnic, racial, cultural or political discrimination etc. to suit your own agenda. And those Tibetans within China, particularly their sufferings consequent of the earthquake, are not tools to be used by Overseas Tibetans for your own narrow purpose either. You’ve failed to realise that your movement/goal is fed on the suffering of those Tibetans within China, irrespective of whether that suffering is the Chinese government’s fault or not.

      In fact, in trying to achieve “meaningful autonomy”/independence or whatever, you have utilised what are ultimately self-defeating means that polluted your goal and the end never justifies the means. You guys call yourself “buddhist” yet you created monastic ranks and privileges that is anathema to Buddha’s teachings and personal example in life. In the end, it is your very desire that is pushing your goal ever further away.

      And if you’re a buddhist you ought to know all this already, but if you don’t then perhaps you’ve lived in the West too long or watched too much Fox News and have forgotten your true cultural roots, unlike those Tibetans who chose to remain in China to become master of their own destiny rather than the tool of somebody else’s desire.

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      • Losang

        Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 3:35 pm

        well,
        (1) go to figure, there are two hundreds of thousands in the exile, came from all over and all walks of life, and until 2008,every year, according to UNHCR, there were average thousands tibetan crossed himalaya.
        How many Tibetans in Tibet? it is good question? tell us how many?
        since you are certain that there were many Tibetans in PLA , how many? we have not seen any statistics like this, and it will be interesting.
        ( 2) there are no voice “Tibetans WITHIN China” and as you know, you can not have difference voice in China. 2008, Tibetans in China raised their voices, and you know what happened? BTW, like thousands others, i was born, raised and educated in China.
        (3) you are fool of yourself. what are you suggesting? we are fool because we can be used by others and we can not think ? r u fooled by your own government’s propaganda?
        (4) don’t worry about us, and we will achieve whatever we are asking for, meaningful autonomy”/independence. like Chinese did Japanese, we will kick out the CCP from Tibet.

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        • Gaaad!!!

          Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 4:18 am

          So before 2008 “there were average thousands tibetan crossed himalaya”, now why did the Chinese government allowed that, but no longer after 2008? Was it simply because they didn’t care or perhaps they wanted to allow more openess in Tibet and see what you guys would do?

          But then in 2008 you Overseas Tibetans just couldn’t resist and had to go and screw things up and now who is worst off? And you wonder why the Chinese government and their people don’t trust HHDL and all you Overseas Tibetans. You guys have been living in the West too long and have become just a bunch of dumb shmucks, no longer able to tell a gesture of goodwill even when it is shoved in your face.

          As for how many Tibetans there are in the PLA, well I’ve personally only met three, a captain and two lieutenants, when I was in Heilongjiang, and according to them they and their families don’t like to advertise that they’ve joined the PLA and that neither did the PLA really cared whether they are Tibetan, Mongolian or Han Chinese.

          The PLA, like every army in the world, would often post soldiers away from their home areas. Likewise once you’ve joined any army, you’re above all a soldier first within a chain of command where your race or ethnicity is irrelevant, just as it is in any Communist parties (what with international solidarity and all that jazz). So didn’t Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme joined the CCP? And last but not least wasn’t Padma Choling, an ethnic Tibetan and the current governor of Tibet, also a former PLA soldier? Now who was it who said there are no Tibetans in the PLA? Or are you going to tell me that they’re both Dorje Shugden “traitors”. LOL!!!

          As for Tibetan “voices” in China, dude haven’t you guys figured it all out yet? Like everywhere else, it’s not whether you have a voice or not, for of course you do, but rather it’s HOW you raise your voice that matters. If you want to “raise” your voice by going-a-rioting, rampaging and murdering people, wtf then do you expect others to do? It’s your own bloody fault, unless of course if that’s exactly what you guys intended, which is another story all together si?

          “…like thousands others, i was born, raised and educated in China” – Huh? I thought according to TGIE Tibetans can’t get an education in China. So I guess you must be pretty special then aye? LOL!

          “…r u fooled by your own government’s propaganda?” – Dude, can’t you read and how many times do I have to type this anyway: the Chinese governement is NOT my government and neither am I “Chinese”.

          Not everybody who disagrees with the TGIE or think that you guys are a bunch of morons are automatically Chinese okay? Just as not everybody who disagrees with the Israeli government is automatically an anti-semite. So get over yourself or go chant some om mane padme hums and if that doesn’t work, I guess you can always go bonk your father’s or your brother’s wife or something.

          “…like Chinese did Japanese, we will kick out the CCP from Tibet” – Woooo, fighting talk, that’s da spirit. Now go run around Lake Yamdrok or spin a prayer wheel or two for I need to recover, since talking to you is like talking to a two years old child. Fun, slightly incoherent, but tiresome nonetheless.

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    • keius

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:23 pm

      You know, you expect too much out of the Chinese gov’t. How can you expect the gov’t to ‘consider Tibetan issues and concerns seriously’ when the gov’t doesn’t even consider the concerns of it’s own people. Most Chinese Hans don’t expect anything at all. If you’ve read enough of the blog here, then you might have an idea what it’s like for most poor Chinese. And the vast majority of China is poor….

      I and my wife are ethnic Hans. There are 2 Chinas. My wife always says that she loves China as her homeland but hates China for what it actually is.
      Don’t expect justice, law, or human rights in China, that stuff is only there when it’s convenient for the officials. Or for those with enough money to bribe those same officials.

      Do I have a pretty bad opinion of China? Yes and No, but that’s because I know how things work there, I’ve lived there, and i’ve seen it with my own eyes.
      China can be beautiful and it can be downright friggin ugly.

      I’m always checking out different news blogs on China just to find something hopeful or positive.
      I hope that the conditions in China improves for all the people living there sometime within my lifetime but i’m not holding my breath.

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24. Losang

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:55 am

    “to be fair I’ve seen a few Tibetan websites and none of them posted pictures of Chinese soldiers or orange clad rescue workers trying to help either and I wonder why is that?”
    Look at these picture,
    http://www.tibettimes.net/gallery2.php?photo_galleries_id=2&page_mode=list&&cp=4

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    • Gaaad!!!

      Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 9:17 am

      LOL! So where are the pictures of the PLA or the polic forces rescuing people then? I suppose orange-clad civilian rescuers are relative unchallenging to the prevalent Overseas Tibetans’ anti- Chinese government sentiment then eh?

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      • Losang

        Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 4:12 pm

        http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=27116&article=Tibet+earthquake+death+toll+rises+to+589+-+updated&t=1&c=1

        no one controls information here and we can access all information include from china here.

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        • Gaaad!!!

          Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 3:13 am

          Hmmm, yes another great report from UK Channel 4′s Lindsey Hilsum where she gives with one hand and taketh back with the other. Yes Chinese soldiers quarantine the area, but she didn’t say why that was done and yet they’ve let the monks through, so why do you think that is so?

          LOL! You may think you have access to supposedly all information but do you ever bother to read, listen and most of all THINK carefully about what you’ve ansorbed and consider their veracity? Or do you merely read whatever you want to read into it or is superficially presented to you and then yell “Rangzen!”. LOL!

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          • Losang

            Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 4:12 pm

            i read everything about tibet, chinese, westerns and tibetans, more importantly, talking to friends and families who are still in tibet. don’t lecture me what i think. we can think ourself.

            go to watch this and then u tell me what happened.
          • Gaaad!!!

            Friday, April 23, 2010 at 9:59 am

            WOW!So you reeeead everyyyything do you? Really? Absolutely everyyything? Well ain’t that just abso-friggin-lutely mighty grand. Good for you boyo!

            Waitaminute. So how come you didn’t know that Padma Choling was a former PLA soldier then, eh? Ahhh! I git it now, like the TGIE/TYC/WC/CIA/SMS/S&M you were just bull-shitting orally as per your usual modus-operandi right? Or is it more a case of while you read everyyything, but just can’t really thinky-winky for yourself? So which is it? Or is it neither? Either way, pretty damning isn’t it? So maybe you need to read more of everyyything and thinky-dinky more for yourselfy, oui meine puta? LOL!!!

            As for you talking to your friends and family back in Tibet I’m surprise you haven’t figured it out yet, despite your vaunted ability to thinky-dinky for yourselfy. Anyhooow let me spell it out for you.

            Just like many poorer Mainland Chinese or Vietnamese, Irish, Italians etc., particularly the rural ones, and who have friends or relatives overseas, many Chinese Tibetans, but obviously not all, today would moan and bitch about their lot and misfortune to their overseas friends and relatives, who they believe are super-duper rich, to extract benefit and help.

            It is in their interest to blame everything that is wrong in their life on the government, the Han, Hui, Uighur, the sky, earth, Buddha or whatever, instead of getting off their derrier and make the most of the opportunities available to them. So how does that sound to ya, aye?
25. David Thooi (aka Gordon)

    Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I am saddened by the disaster. My sympathy goes to the people in 清海玉树 who have suffered as a result of this natural calamity. I sincerely hope and pray that they will get back on their feet soon. To the departed souls, may them rest in peace.

    Well, back to Qinghai Province, we have to honestly ask what has CPC government in Beijing done for the last 60 years to improve the lives and well-beings of Qinghai people?

    The answer is “Nothing”!

    We could clearly see for ourselves that Qinghai has all along been neglected by CPC government in Beijing. Qinghai is such a backward province among the many in China that many of the basic infrastructures are just not there. The very basic dwellings of the people are not even decently built. This had resulted in large number of deaths and casualties when houses collapsed.

    CPC government claimed to have allocated huge amount of fundings for development of Qinghai each year. But, Qinghai people still are living in abject poverty. Where has all the monies which Beijing claimed it had allocated gone to? I leave it to your concience to answer this question.

    Now that the disaster happened, the CPC government leaders in Beijing are playing God by visiting the people. Seriously, no amount of visits at this time would lessen the pain and suffering of the people.

    If CPC government has done its part to improve the lives of Qinghai people over the last 60 years, perhaps, the impact of this earthquake on death toll and casualties would have been so much less.

    On the surface, CPC government leaders in Beijing appears to be sympathetic to the cause and suffering of Qinghai people but in reality, they are not!

    Do you know how much have they squandered from the people and the country?

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    • Gordon (aka David Thooi)

      Friday, April 23, 2010 at 7:37 pm

      The CPC and government leaders are getting richer day by day by squandering from the people and the country, and stacked up their wealth stealthily in overseas. On the contrary, the people from the country, for those lucky enough, may live from hand to mouth, not to mention the numerous number who died from starvation and diseases each day.

      The country may have stacked up trillions of dollars in foreign exchange reserve but the people from the country did not get to benefit from it!

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    • Gaaad!!!

      Monday, April 26, 2010 at 6:00 am

      *chuckles*

      Wow, a moron talking to himself online. Now I’ve see everything. LOL!!!

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26. That Chinese Kid

    Monday, April 19, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    when the US military goes rescue is it also propaganda? Maybe you are just prejudiced against a Communist country. Because they are communist, any attempt of rescuing human lives would be propaganda right?

    So using your way of thinking, the best way to avoid being accused of propaganda must be to leave 青海 as it is right?

    Your one sided way of thinking annoys me. When America sends in helis, it’s oh so heroic. When China sends in helis, its brain washing propaganda. Last I checked, a certain military also could not organize a what in you know where…*cough* *cough* Katrina *cough* *cough*

    Anyways, 青海，努力加油！！！

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27. lxjx

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 2:29 am

    But the propaganda has been minimized to the least. The majority of rescuers are from the military and the most supplies were brought to the disaster area by PLA vehicles/crafts, so it would be really weird that TV doesn’t give them enough exposure. After all the government and the army is doing lifesaving jobs so what’s wrong to give them some thumbs-up?

    To be fair, the PLA is no inferior to any militaries in the world in responding to natural disasters and they are doing a better job than what they did in the 2008 Sichuan Earthquake.

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28. Jean

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:48 am

    I won’t care if it is propaganda or not, as long as they are helping!

    It seems that everything that the CCP does, is propaganda. CCP should hire a better PR!

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29. Rick

    Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 12:35 am

    CCTV even used soundtracks from “Dances with Wolves” and other American movies. They should use Chinese soundtracks if they want to be patriotic!!!
    Don’t they know about the Shanghai Expo Theme fiasco?

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30. KanyeBest

    Friday, April 23, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    George Bush hates black people. When Katrina gets hit, that monkey does jack for 2 god damn days. Oh but when California is hit with a fire, puts it straight out with Katrina’s fire.

    The only guy with BS is you Tubby.

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31. Tins of sardines

    Monday, April 19, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Maybe he was painting a house that was “THIS BIG!!!”

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32. keius

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Probably promoting his new movie…”Karate” kid…
    I wonder if he ever mentioned to the producers that it
    ain’t karate if your using Kung Fu. Sell out or doing
    what he can to promote China?
    If it’s Will Smith’s kid getting revenge and beating up
    on some chinese kids…then becoming friends in the end,
    it’ll have to be the lamest movie ever :P

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33. Shoeshine

    Monday, April 19, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    er…did you see any of the news about the way the US handled Katrina? you must of, since you hint at it. there wasn’t much about what a great job they were doing, and that would be why it doesn’t classify as propaganda.

    anyway, why does it matter? can’t it be both? I don’t doubt the PLA is doing a decent job responding to the disaster, but that doesn’t negate the fact that it’s become an opportunity for propaganda.

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34. box

    Monday, April 19, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    How do you feel about Chinese aid organizations, foreign aid organizations, and highly trained foreign rescue and recovery organizations being denied the chance to help outside of donating cash?

    Are they all just trying to steal state secrets?

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35. wogzi

    Monday, April 19, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    So what? That’s the basis of the citizen’s contract. Don’t tell me you don’t know what that very basic principle is, considering all of your talk about the ‘government’ and ‘corruption’. Google it if you don’t know. Now listen.

    Why would China propagandize it? Because that’s what governments do. Governments prove to their citizens that they can take care of them. All governments do this. I mean, remember that whole thing with those two airplanes? And the WTC? I think it was called 9/11! And remember the Bush administration rising up, handling the situation, scapegoating the entire Afghani nation in order to ‘prove’ that they were handling it?

    Who cares if they’re doing this to get into the good will of the people? What they are doing is a completely natural process that’s been done ever since nation states have existed. Only an idiot would blather on about how it’s so sinister.

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36. lxjx

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 7:39 am

    I don’t see how your reply is related to my above comment. And you keep jumping from one topic to another, with a lot false observations as ‘evidences’, like the ‘wearing sandshoes’ and ‘No use of heavy lift helicopters to move troops quickly into areas of concern’. Actually in Sichuan Earthquake, there were helicopters used in transporting both personals and equipments to/from the disaster areas, and the airborne troops dropped into the area setted up communication channels to the relief headquarter, which is a crucial step of rescue effort by all means.

    Then you jumped to PLA’s battle effectiveness which is not quite related to what they are doing in Yushu earthquake. And you haven’t given any proof that they don’t have “proper training, suitable equipment, logistical organisation and effective chain of command” except for jeering on their uniform color in the National Parade, before you draw the conclusion that it’s “strictly a domestic police force”. It seems that you are very upset by whatever PLA has done or is doing, and tried hard to prove their useless in whatever areas. I can’t help but think the real reason behind the broken logic and absurd conclusion is a deep insecure feeling and an agenda to sell some laughable ideology.

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37. Shoeshine

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 8:36 am

    dude…get off your high horse. I never said it was sinister. I simply pointed out that the chinese government could both do a good job and use it as a propaganda opportunity. so, besides the insults and talk about citizen’s contract, we’re saying pretty much the same thing.

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38. That Chinese Kid

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 9:07 am

    where did I imply you were American? I was merely stating an example. You think too highly of yourself?

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39. That Chinese Kid

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Pusan Playa was referring nothing of that sorts. You have no clue what you are talking about. He just threw “separate race, nationality or ethnicity” out to justify his observation of pandas>bunnies.

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40. Tins of sardines

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Well… he was trolling and neglected to sugar coat his comment to avoid hurting your feelings.

    Have you ever been told you look like a llama? What nice casserole you made.

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41. 你是猪

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Don’t even get me started on the Karate kid, Jackie Chan is now making money in Hollywood off of Chinese stereotypes. So what, every Chinese school kids knows how to do Kung Fu? When you go look at the kids in China it couldn’t be further from the truth…

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42. bobiscool

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    That’s just stupid. Just from one comment I can tell everything you said is heresay.

    “you can almost never see blue sky”

    That’s just idiotic. Do you really think pollution is that obvious? I’ve been to Beijing, Tianjin, etc, and there’s always blue sky. I’m sorry, but idiots who base their opinions solely on anti-communist propaganda are just idiots.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    *Hopes theere’s no Liao Ning Nv v2

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43. Cool Matt

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Look, I know what you are saying. But China does value the lives of its people. The problem is, it values saving face even more.

    If they only knew that far too often, trying to save face makes them lose even more of it.

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44. Cool Matt

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    what i mean, is doing things like trying to keep parents of the dead silent, or keeping journalists out of a “sensitive” area to save face, actually is counterproductive because it makes China look bad and in the end, it loses even more face.

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45. Cool Matt

    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    ignore the above comment, i misread ur message :P

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46. Alikese

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Have you ever been to Wuhan? If the Wuhanese saw a blue sky one day they would think that the sky was on fire and it was end of the world.

    My friends and I were going through Bangkok and we kept saying how clean and pollution free it is. Dirty, disgusting, industrial Bangkok, the thing is we had been so used to seeing Chinese cities that were so dirty and polluted that Bangkok seemed like a hospital clean-zone.

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47. keius

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Have to agree with you on the pollution front. It’s just insane how bad it’s gotten. The air in my hometown city is horrible. The sky is always gray, NEVER true blue. Take a walk, come back home and your nose is clogged with black stuff. The river i used to bathe in as a child is now filled with dank sludge. And you can still see some poor folks fishing…eating those fish is like eating poison.

    I don’t blame the Central Government, I blame the local governments. The Central Gov’t, as bad as they can be, actually allocates a good amount of money for cleaning up the waters. It’s common knowledge that the local officials pocket about 90% of the money and then use whats left to do a piddling ineffective job of cleanup. Then they claim that they’ve tried everything possible…..

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48. lxjx

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:58 am

    If they allowed residents especially foreigners living next to a military barrack, that pretty much says something about the regiment itself, considering it’s in Fujian near the WWIII powder-keg Taiwan strait. That could be a training base of militia or reserve officers or even students doing their military exercises, though I highly doubt the last one since in my college ME, all officers from the army were handsome young guys and the female half of the campus got excited for more than a month.

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49. Zhegezhege

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    A bit of detail missed out by lxjx

    There were heavylift helicopters at the Sichuan quake, yes, but not immediately. They were hastily agreed loans from Russia after the disaster hit. The Chinese still can’t make decent heavy lift helicopters because their military technology is still a long way behind the US, Russia and, apparently, Europe. The helicopter technology embargo on them doesn’t help, admittedly.

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50. Gaaad!!!

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 2:51 am

    Nope, but during disasters it is often more effective and efficient to have one and only one central command to handle reflief operations or as some would say, “too many cooks spoil the broth”. This is especially true in areas such as Tibet where there are limited or damaged infrastructure and very few roads leading to the affected areas.

    Unless of course if you don’t mind a few Christian fundamentalists taking Tibetan orphans away from their relatives and convert them to Christianity.

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51. Gaaad!!!

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 2:57 am

    Actually, the PLA/militia/armed polic, much more so than many militaries around the world, has always been at the frontline of any disaster relief work, be it earthquake, floods or snowstorm. The only news worthy issue here is that the PLA is doing relief work in Tibet for Tibetans, which I suppose sticks in some people’s throats as it challenges their pre-conceived notions and prejudice of the PLA and the Chinese government. Mais c’est la vie.

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52. Gaaad!!!

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 7:15 am

    Ehhh, don’t you know that sleeping with your boss has always been one of the true and tested way to get promoted where ever you are and no matter which culture you’re from?

    And if you’re an underaged poster, then I apologise for introducing you to adult topics, but then again you really shouldn’t be here anywhere, especially if it’s well past your bed-time…

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53. Gaaad!!!

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 8:01 am

    What’s a commenter?

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54. That Chinese Kid

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 10:17 am

    I’ll take the compliment and ignore the sarcasm.

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55. Gaaad!!!

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Waaaaahhhh! Now you’ve done it, you’ve made me cry! SOB!

    Woooo, looky here Kinky Tubby riding to PeePee’s rescue. So since when have you two hooked up and become an item? And I hope it was just as nice for you as it obviously was for Pusan Puss boy there, aye? Winky wink…

    But seriously though? Is, drum rolls please maestro, “your bf has been two-timing you” and “…than you could hope for in 100 years” all you’ve got oh my Kinky Tubby you.

    Couldn’t you at least say 1000 years? Or how about a GAZILLION years? See you could’ve demonstrated more imagination by making up an imaginary number AND capitalise it too. Now isn’t that just so much more fun? Ahhh, but then again maybe that’s just too much creativity to expect from your douchebagness, aye? LOL!

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56. Gaaad!!!

    Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    So pray do tell how exactly does one “worm” an outfit? Or is that what you do when you are suddenly overcome by an overwhelming sense of insecurity and desperately need some “release” and “worming” your outfit is all that you’re capable of doing?

    Well if that’s the case then by all means “worm” away! Oh Kinky Tubby me supreme douchebagness! “Worm” Away!

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57. Gaaad!!!

    Friday, April 23, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Pillow Biter? LOL! I bet you just wish you would be that fortunate and could actually “bite your pillow” once in a blue moon. Which I suppose probably explains the evident high-strung, annal-retentive megalomaniacal narcissm you have going there, matey.

    May I be so bold as to suggest your douchiness that you might want to either change your handle to “Kinky Tubbiness”, stop “worming” yourself against your trousers’ button hole for a change or maybe just move out of your mima’s house so that you at least stand an itsy-bitsy chance of getting a “friend” willing to give you some life-changing prostate massages so that you too can cut the apron strings and “bite a pillow” once in a while.

    So yeah, my two bi-lesbian girlfriends do regualrly make me “bite the pillow” and wooo-boy-I-kid-thee-not, it sure-as-heck is an uplifting experience. So yup, highly recommended and who knows it might just open up your mind and other parts that wee bit more, so that you can truly call yourself Kinky Tubiness with pride, my friend. *chuckles*

    Besides, wtf do you have against the “female position” anyhow. Without that how the fook do you think you were created/born huh? Or do you really need me to explain the bees and the flowers to you. Man, either you’re dumb as your numb-nut or your mima REALLY need to bitch-slap you to kingdom-cum, if that’s how you roll that is.

    And what’s with the “Evaporate” anyway? What are we, twelve? Were you running some sorta Dungeon and Dragons or Magic the Gathering scenario in your thumb-sucking mind, invoking some sorta spell or something? Wooo looky, PUFF! Goes the magic dragon! Dude, seriously, you need to cut those apron strings. Pronto.

    Go on son, you can do it. One itsy bitsy cut for King Tubb, one giant step for all Kinky Tubbikind, your bff B-reamed included…

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58. Gaaad!!!

    Friday, April 23, 2010 at 10:51 am

    B-reamed, me matey, how are ye! Had I known you so enjoying being somebody’s man-bitch all you had to was asked.

    You know I always have a very, very special place for you within my “tent”, yes? Besides, how could anybody ever resist someone so rarefied as yourself who cums readily self-B-reamed.

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