How Guns Are Sold In American Wal-Marts, Chinese Reactions

Guns on display in a glass case at a Wal-Mart in America.

From Tiexue, Sina, & Mop:

This is how America’s Wal-Mart sell guns

Today, while visiting Wal-Mart, I took a photo while at the gun sales counter. The guns were sold in a rotating glass display case just like this with price tags attached. If interested, you just ask the salesperson to take it out for you to examine. Being able to buy a gun while buying groceries at Wal-Mart, convenient.

Guns on display in a glass case at a Wal-Mart in America.

In this glass display case are different types of ammunition.

Guns on display in a glass case at a Wal-Mart in America.

Guns on display in a glass case at a Wal-Mart in America.

Guns on display in a glass case at a Wal-Mart in America.

Comments from Tiexue:

txgk:

I’d like to ask the lou zhu a question. It may be very naive but please be so kind as to give me an answer. Since guns are sold like this in America, is their government not afraid of social problems? Right now in Shanghai, the supermarkets selling cooking knives have also locked them inside glass display cases like this.

bandit800:

Because the hostility between their people is not as deep as it is with us, which is to say they are harmonious in the true meaning and not river crab. Hehe.

北美孤狼:

China bans guns and aside from political reasons, it may be because the government has considered that there are too many neurotic people in China, people who will bark/howl for no reason. If these kind of people had guns, imagine how bad it would be. (I’m referring to the issue, not people, so I hope certain people will keep that in mind before responding).

破奴:

I think the American Constitution has a part that says the citizens have the right to overthrow an authoritarian government…it is what I have heard, not sure if it is true or not.
But in China, that is not possible, and the key is that the character of the people [on average] is not there yet. If firearms were available for sale in China, then we’d probably have to wear bullet-proof vests in order to go out.

飞行音:

Our country’s people have treachery/trouble-making in their bones. You can see it now, in all of China, no one respects anyone else. Learned men scorn each other and military men are lowly to each other, this place cursing that place. If everyone in China had guns, then the country would be torn apart. Even though everyone speaks Chinese, everyone has a different heart. Are we lacking lessons from history?!!

鹰舞苍穹:

Only with citizens who have high restraint and a society with relatively few injustices would [a country] dare be like this.

cbasky:

Imagine for a moment, if we were to sell guns in this manner, I think those domestic tigers, birds, bears, these animals basically could no longer survive.

bluehaze:

I think I saw a short-barrel M700, did I see wrong??
America is really not bad. The weapons that are sold without restrictions appear to be those used for hunting, but even openly selling firearms like this truly makes people sigh.

俺老头是老兵:

If this were China, the number of crime-related deaths would increase ten times. Therefore, America’s gun deaths is still very little. In the future [if guns were allowed in China], those who are involved in forced demolitions and chengguan would not be so niubi anymore. Pressure us and they’ll just shoot you a few times.

五好青年:

Damn, foreign countries are too incredible, even allowing guns to be sold. If China were to also allow them to be sold, things would be a mess. [The population of] black society [organized crime] would at least increase 2 times.
And with China’s current education level, it is possible that school shootings would happen often.

kelefly:

America is a country that was built up from the first shot of the Battle of Lexington.

And the biggest reason they were victorious at the time was because the ordinary people had guns.

冯欣伯林根:

When everyone has guns, no one is afraid of a few people having guns. If it is fear of overthrowing the government, there is no need. If the current government in power truly doesn’t follow the people’s will, in four years at most, they will have to step down and at worst there are still impeachment procedures. There is no need to use knives and guns [no need for violence], truly not worth it. If one wants to express one’s political views, one can organize one’s own political party. Although America in reality is only a two-party system, there still exist other political parties, and what more, the constitution protects the participation of every political party, with the most powerful non-mainstream parties like the Green Party normally getting around 10% of the vote. If one day, this party were to replace the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, the constitution would also protect it. And when there is social disorder, there is the SWAT. With so many people having guns in America, I don’t think a little handgun or a small hunting rifle can cause any social impact.

中国人都期待航母:

The reason why America allows the ordinary people to possess guns is to prevent dictatorship…when that happens, the people can revolt…
Over time, Americans have developed the habit of not using guns even if they have them. Or maybe they are bound by ideas of individual heroism, believing that men should use fists to fight it out, and not relying on guns.
But in our country, the once proper so quick to resort to taking up knives, if there were guns, definitely within 10 years, the population of Chinese people would probably be reduced by half…haha.
PS: America as a country has the highest penetration of firearms in the world, with one gun per capita, but the number of Americans that die under the barrel of a gun are only a trivial 30,000…

幽狙:

America’s president is chosen by the American citizens, so this type of government is not afraid of the common people harming society and rebelling, because don’t need to resort to guns [violence] and only need to demonstrate and protest to make the president step down~~

kemescape:

Americans lives are comfortable, so why have a good life and not live it? Usually chaotic/disorderly societies are all in impoverished countries; You have guns, others have guns, mutually checking each other. If you carry a gun illegally, the police have the right to kill you. Americans’ tradition highly values life…

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  1. If people in China are allowed to have guns then

    1. Police force in China would go bankrupt from having to actually arm its officers
    2. All Wildlife going extinct in 5 years
    3. SWAT would have to participate in removing nail households
    4. Some crazy guy who use to shout from the roof top every morning shoots down a entire floor of preschoolers

  2. The real reason Americans buy large guns is that they have small penii on average. Us Asian superman with our large penii doesn’t need guns to compensate for anything. Which is why I, as an Asian, is sleeping with an black woman unlike you suckers.

  3. could you imagine

    a Chinese NRA???

    五毛党

  4. Hey Fuana, why am I being moderated? I haven’t posted anything that bad have I?

    [Note from Fauna: Should be fixed.]

  5. only rifles are sold like that.
    You must be over 18 to buy a rifle in the USA
    As far as pistols are concerned, its very difficult to buy. You cannot buy pistols at Walmart
    You must be over 21
    You must pass the Brady Bill
    You must wait a week no matter if you pass
    You must have no prior police problems
    And a bunch of other messy paperwork.

    • some sweet ass pump action hell yeah!!!

      I am very suprised by the hate free comments of the original chinese posters, very rare :-) very nice :-)

    • That’s not true… Hand gun laws vary from state to state, but to buy a hand gun, all that is federally required is to fill out two forms, show ID and wait for the background check (which is instant in most cases). There’s no federal waiting period, the waiting period is a state law in the more restrictive, liberal states most notably California, New York, New Jersey and Maryland.

      It’s also not true that you “must have no prior police problems.” Again it varies from state to state, but for the most part, you must have no drug related or felony convictions. In Virginia and Alaska, felons can still buy guns.

      Walmart may not sell pistols, but if they don’t, it’s purely their corporate policy, not the law.

      I’ve bought several hand guns and pistols, and I’ve never waited more than 5-10 minutes for the person on the other end of the phone to say I was good to go. Whenever I’ve bought a gun, I’ve always walked out with it at the end of the transaction. Please don’t spread misinformation, it makes us all look bad.

    • Not true for most states. Here in Texas you can buy a pistol in about an hour as long as you are 21 and have no criminal record. You don’t have to wait a week. I think only a few states have a waiting period. Most states do not.

    • Depends on the state. Long guns (like rifles and shotguns) are 18+ while handguns are 21+. Many states allow you to purchase and take home a firearm the same day, after passing the background check. There are no background check requirements for private sales, though I know many people who insist the purchaser have a concealed weapons or handgun permit. This is so the seller knows the purchaser has passed a background check.

    • Thats not exactly true. Handguns are easy to buy (depending on where in the U.S. you live) if you havent been convicted of a felony. Where I live, I have a permit to carry a concealed handgun (which is easy to get). This allows me to walk into a gun store, find what I want, pay for it and walk out. Takes 10-15 minutes

    • Pass the Brady Bill?

      That was shown to be totally ineffective and so was dropped. The Brady bill doesn’t exist anymore.

    • Not in the state of Georgia. As long as your name doesn’t come up for possible crimes on the computer you can walk out with a handgun that day. Otherwise you have to wait for the background check to come back and that does take a week. The background check only applies to the state, also you do not need a permit or registration of a handgun in Georgia. Also when I saw crimes it only applies to felonies.

    • Not entirely true. In more liberal states like New York and California there are waiting periods. I live in Tennessee, I just bought a 357 magnum last week. Walked in, picked it out, 5 minutes to fill out paperwork and I was out the door. Its good to live in Tennessee.

    • The laws depend on the state you live in. Most states require you to be over 18 to buy a long gun or pistol (rifle or shotgun). Some require you to be over 21 to buy a pistol. Many have waiting (or cool-off) periods of a few days for a handgun. This can usually be bypassed with a Concealed Carry permit.

      The paperwork is Form 4473 and is required by BATF when purchasing a firearm from any FFL. They also have to make a phonecall to NICS to verify you aren’t a felon.

    • Incorrect. It is no more difficult to buy a handgun than a rifle in most of the US. I am in Texas and I can walk into a store and buy a handgun and be back in my car in probably 15 minutes. It won’t be a Wal-Mart store though since they have decided to no longer sell firearms in my city. They said that there were not enough people buying them around here to continue selling them. They still sell ammo though. I probably own 20 or so different types of handguns, rifles, and shotguns. I even own a circa-1950 Russian SKS (which is made a lot better than the Chinese SKS) which I’ve never even shot — it’s strictly for collection purposes.

    • brady bill is no longer in effect, you dont have to wait a week (10 days, actually) anymore.

    • Not true. You have very poor information.
      Over 18 for rifle/shotgun – check
      You can buy pistols in most any sporting goods store – check
      Over 21 for handgun – check
      Pass Instant FBI NICS background – check
      Waiting period – no
      No NICS background for Concealed Carry Permit holder – check
      prior police problems? – that is what NICS background is for
      No other paper work.

      Nothing, zero, zip, nada.

      Well, at least that is how it is in Texas and pretty much every other state. A few cities do have draconian restrictions, but not nationally.

      We have guns because an armed citizenry lifes in freedom, and unarmed citizenry lives in fear under tryanny.

    • “Michael
      Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 4:14 pm

      only rifles are sold like that.
      You must be over 18 to buy a rifle in the USA
      As far as pistols are concerned, its very difficult to buy. You cannot buy pistols at Walmart
      You must be over 21
      You must pass the Brady Bill
      You must wait a week no matter if you pass
      You must have no prior police problems
      And a bunch of other messy paperwork.”

      This isn’t entirely true.

      It’s true that Wal-Mart doesn’t sell pistols but that’s by choice. They could sell them if they wanted to.

      It’s true that you must be 21 or older to PURCHASE a handgun. You can have one gifted to you by parents or a relative.

      It’s true that you must pass the “Brady Bill”, in actuality a background check. It’s usually instant and if the check is delayed (not denied) then you can get the gun anyway.

      Where I live there’s no waiting period. I can walk into a gun store and get a handgun in 20 minutes or less if I have the money.

      It’s partially that you can’t have any prior police problems but it mainly only applies to violent crimes (robbery, rape, domestic abuse, assault, etc)

      Messy paperwork is mostly untrue. Most states don’t require this.

      This only applies if you’re obtaining a firearm from a retailer. If you’re buying a used gun from an individual within your state you don’t have to do anything.

      As a side note 40 of the 50 states allow concealed carry. In my state you attend an authorized training course and then pay for a background check form your local law enforcement. After 1-6 weeks you get your permit. It’s good for three years and renewal cost depends on the county you live in.

      MOST crimes committed with firearms are are committed by people that obtained the guns ILLEGALLY.

    • This isn’t entirely true.

      It’s true that Wal-Mart doesn’t sell pistols but that’s by choice. They could sell them if they wanted to.

      It’s true that you must be 21 or older to PURCHASE a handgun. You can have one gifted to you by parents or a relative.

      It’s true that you must pass the “Brady Bill”, in actuality a background check. It’s usually instant and if the check is delayed (not denied) then you can get the gun anyway.

      Where I live there’s no waiting period. I can walk into a gun store and get a handgun in 20 minutes or less if I have the money.

      It’s partially that you can’t have any prior police problems but it mainly only applies to violent crimes (robbery, rape, domestic abuse, assault, etc)

      Messy paperwork is mostly untrue. Most states don’t require this.

      This only applies if you’re obtaining a firearm from a retailer. If you’re buying a used gun from an individual within your state you don’t have to do anything.

      As a side note 40 of the 50 states allow concealed carry. In my state you attend an authorized training course and then pay for a background check form your local law enforcement. After 1-6 weeks you get your permit. It’s good for three years and renewal cost depends on the county you live in.

      MOST crimes committed with firearms are are committed by people that obtained the guns ILLEGALLY.

    • No you don’t. I bought a handgun last year. Standard background check revealed nothing, so I was in and out in about 20 minutes. Of course, I live in Texas, so this is perfectly normal…

    • Not entirely true. Different states have slightly different regulations, some stricter than the Federal gun laws. In my state and many others there is NO one week wait if you pass the NICS instant background check (what you call the Brady Bill). Many states make it no harder to buy pistols than it is rifles or shotguns, except for the federal 21 year age requirement. I have a concealed weapons permit (even though many states allow open carry) so I can bypass the NICS check (because I already had to pass the background check to get it) and purchase any legal firearm. I was just counting; I have 8 pistols, 4 rifles and 1 shotgun, and that is not a large collection to the typical American gun enthusiast. Maybe to those that own only one, for self defense, it may.

    • We must live in different American States then.
      Over 18 – Check
      Over 21 – Check
      Pass the Brady Bill – Check
      Wait a Week – Not here. Pass the check and walk out with the pistol right then and there. Prior Police Problems are stopped here.
      Make out a form for both Federal and State – Check.

      By the way: After going through some very stringent Federal regulations, assorted paperwork and months of waiting, I was given permission to spend $15,000 to lawfully purchase a Fully Automatic Machine Gun; an M16A1. The lawful manufacture ending in May 1986.

      Not available in all 50 States.

  6. I’m glad to at least see that Chinese are able to admit the flaws of their own country in comparison to America.

    Now if America could just get rid of those d*mn Jewish lobbyists.

    • For every Jew, a .22

    • I guess that you do not know any Jews. How about the lobbyists for offshore drilling, military contracts in the middle east????

      • I know a rather good amount of Israelis, actually. I know far more than is needed to realize that they own our government too. Offshore drilling doesn’t kill our reputation with an entire region of the world like Israel does. Offshore drilling doesn’t humiliate our vice president. Offshore drilling doesn’t waste American money like funding the IDF does. At least that oil eventually comes back to me. I’m never going to see anything from funding the IDF *cough*terrorists in uniform*cough*.

        • Exactly. The same “conservatives” (neo-cons) that are against Obama’s socialized healthcare have no problem funding the IDF and Israel’s socialized healthcare. Then you’re an “anti-Semite” if you don’t grovel for Israel. A few people are waking up though.

          • I suppose you also think your nazi buddies didn’t kill around 45 million people. Hint, Jews were only a part of it.

            Oh by the way, a neo-con is a dimocrat that finally woke up. AND one only has to look at England and Canada to see the wonders of socialized health care. Remember Queen Nancy saying “we had to pass obummers healthcare bill so we could find out what was in it?” Apparently reading the thing FIRST was out of the question!

  7. It’s posts like these which are so much more provocative than any censor board could ever anticipate. They cast much light.

  8. In my home we have a total of 8 guns, i think 9, but let’s go with 8. we have 3 shotguns, 2×12 guage (Mossbergs), 1×16 guage 2 rifles 1×22 caliber rifle for target practixe and 1×308 winchester, 3 handguns 1 saturday ngiht special a 1×45 and 1 40 calibur Glock. I dual weld son!

    joking aside, i see nothing wrong with a country that has guns for citizens, if the gov is proper and logical about it, society is overall practicall domestically then everything should be balanced. this is a good article.

    Long Live NRA!

    • death to the rednecks! oh and how can you in your right mind suport the National Rednecks Association?????

    • Actually, the US – all their wealth and stability notwithstanding – have one of the highest homicide rates of the world, not too few thereof from gun violence. Among young males, death or disability by accidential or suicidal gun use is among the first two or so causes for such tragedies while it virtually plays no role in countries with stricter gun laws. So it is questionable whether that is “freedom” to praise or just lunacy. Ok, other countries allow to drive at 190mph on the motorway ..

      • Actually, here in the US the highest morbidity rate (deaths) among young is because of home swimming pools not guns. And yes we kill our presidents and quickly kill those who kill our presidents as well. I will grant you that americans are rather strange. But I think US also has the highest number of ‘chinese restaurants’ per capita than any other nation – excepting of course china.

      • Actually, the US has a lower violent crime rate than most european countries. And you’re about 3 times as likely to be killed by a drunk driver than you are a gun.

        As to buying guns, it depends on the state. Here in Arizona, if you buy from a store, you fill out the paperwork, do the background check, (not needed if you have a concealed carry permit), pay the store and off you go with your gun.

        If you buy from an individual (perfectly legal here), you hand them the cash, they hand you a gun, you shake hands and are on your way.

  9. It’s part of their constitution that all men have equal rights of freedom to arms. Generally, saying that it’s okay to buy weapons to “protect” one self and family. BUT HOW MANY TIMES does it take for another teenager to get hold of his “father’s gun” and kill other teenagers they are disgruntled with at highschool?? Americans dig the graves for the children who need help!

  10. You know what they say: Guns don’t kill people, violent minorities do!

  11. So the videogames and movies are all true: once the zombie apocalypse strikes, get your ass to the Wal-Mart to equip thyself.

    Seriously, where’s the Mad Max special? I don’t have time to do any sawing once I’m beset with zombies/wasteland raiders/detractors of my ability to wield firearms!

  12. I sincerely believe that if the Chinese were allowed free and legal access to guns, the population would be halved within about 24 hours.

    And there wouldn’t be a single Running Dog Foreigner on the streets. Anywhere.

    • Ok, I long lost hope to find intelligent life on Chinasmack, yet, did you realize that there was no gun ban in China prior to 1967 or so? And that in remote areas, among herdsmen, hunters and nomads, firearms are quite commonplace? When urban kids can’t buy firearms in the supermarket I fail to consider that a bad idea.

  13. the reason why a native american can buy a gun easily is because in the constitution law is stated that every single person has the right to defend themselves. That is why the guns and rifles and so on will never be banned. Therefore they see buying a gun as the best option. However in each state they have different Gun laws which must be met in order to buy a gun. also every gun will be registered to people ID if it will be sold. However it is still too easy to get a gun. See history; Colombus high school/university, 2 kids bought their weapons via Internet and just kills several students.

    • you are wrong.

      Most people don’t have to register their guns, some states or areas do but most places don’t have registration.

    • Talk about serious misinformation. First, not all states require registration of firearms. Second, you cannot simply buy a gun over the internet. Yes, some gun purchases can be made via the internet, but the seller would legally have to ship the firearm to an authorized dealer who would then proceed with any necessary paperwork before the buyer could acquire the weapon.

  14. great post!

    i think Chinese shock about the American government allowing guns to be sold like this can be compared to American people’s shock about how the CCP suppresses Chinese people.

    gee wiz, so shocking!

  15. The comments by the Chinese netizens are very good.

  16. Not a big thing in a US store that sells hunting rifles. I’m not sure what state this is, but Walmart’s in California do not have this type of display.

    • Well, we are talking about Walmart here. If there’s no money to be had selling guns, they won’t sell it. Not many hunters in CA. And they’ll usually only sell hunting rifles and shotguns for the sporting crowd in “redneck” country. Other area Walmarts won’t carry guns. I don’t recall Walmart selling handguns and items that might be an issue with the liberal crowd.

  17. The Second Ammendment of the Constitution here gives the right of a “well organized militia” to bear arms (saying that this right cannot be infringed by any law).

    This has been interpreted as the right of individuals to own guns. Some laws limit the right (e.g., to limit automatic weapons or assault type weapons, guns in cities, waiting period to buy a handgun, etc.), but these are always under pressure to be dropped (including a new Supreme Court ruling this past week).

    Guns are involved in more than 30,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, about the same as drunk driving or suicide. Still, in many parts of the country it is still a gun culture.

    In the town where I live, the law REQUIRES you to own a gun (every home must have one). This was a political statement and it is never enforced. Still, you are supposed to get a waiver.

    I am not pro-gun and our local Walmart does not look like the one pictured, but in some areas they do.

    For now, there are so many guns out there it would be hard to do much. There is no real concern about revolution, but more about the gangs, school shootings, disgruntled employees that shoot up the workplace, etc. The pro-gun lobby focuses on the fact that guns do not kill people, people do. But, guns make it easier for people and no one hunts with assult rifles.

    Still, that is where we are at and likely to stay.

    • The text of the 2nd amendment actually states, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Pretty obvious that it is talking about individual rights, not governmental rights.

      The reason stated in the amendment is because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State. But the right, as stated in the constitution, belongs to the individual.

      • 2nd amendment text (minus confusing commas) is: “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”. So, strictly speaking, Chris, you are quite right.

        However, the days when people in the USA might, at any moment, be called upon to band together and defend themselves against a government using police/troops to enforce tyrannical policies, are in practice long gone. Therefore, there is no longer any constitutionally-based right/reason for individuals to keep or bear arms.

        As far as the history: no one paid much attention to the 2nd amendment, and few individuals had the need or money for guns, until after the Civil War (early 1860s). The increase in the capacity for gun production caused by that War got some sharp business minds thinking (funny thing, that). Peace-time sales of guns gradually increased, and the shady re-interpretation of the 2nd amendment became “necessary”, to protect business profits.

        FWIW, I agree with MadeinAmerica that all this is pretty tragic, and a waste of lives.

        The comments elsewhere in this thread about how a Chinese 2nd amendment could quickly halve the population are even more chilling, and probably true! But I love the feeling, on arriving in UK or China, that my chances of getting shot by some gun-toting cretin, have just been exponentially reduced.

        How ironic that a government allowing “freedom” results not just in people being that much freer to buy guns and kill each other, but that they actually do just that – whereas awful governments such as the ones spawned by Chinese communism have had the immeasurable benefit of saving so many lives. (Even Mao’s famine and the Cultural Revolution didn’t get through half the population).

        • Peter, you are correct that one of the costs of freedom is dealing with the consequences of people’s bad choices — both your own and others. However, the alternative is giving away your freedom, letting a government make your choices for you, and hoping for the best. When it works, things can be good. When it goes awry, there’s no easy way to clean up the mess. You end up with entire countries being abused by their leaders.

          • Nazdar, you are quite correct, of course, and your argument is what lies behind the word “ironic” in my post.

            However, please consider the following situation in a representative democracy: a constitutionally-binding plurality of citizens instructs the representatives to pass a law where, in general, no citizen is allowed private ownership of destructive weapons. (Additional laws may be passed about gun production, production for export, the manner of prosecution, and size of penalty, for being caught with weapons, etc., but let’s keep this simple for a moment).

            The reason the citizens collectively decide to curtail their rights is that they believe they will prefer the feeling of security that accrues from living in a country without privately-owned weapons of destruction, to the feeling of terror that results from a situation where each citizen does not know who will shoot him or his children, or when they will be in the mood to open fire.

            I am not saying this is really what happened in a country like the UK (as opposed to the USA). I only wish to point to the possibility that although having the freedom (the means) to kill each other may be better than submitting to a government that makes this, and many other, decisions for us by force, there exists a still better society – one where we agree collectively and consciously to restrain ourselves from demeaning behavior.

            Of course (and I am only adding this obvious elaboration because there is apparently no minimum-IQ requirement for contributing to this forum), the need for collective action here is so that people are re-assured that their own good behavior (forbearing to terrorize their neighbors) will not be wasted by the failure of others similarly to do the right thing.

        • You are wrong! I grew up with guns and was a good shot at 12.

          I was drafted and went to Viet Nam. The reason I survived was I was a crack shot and scored Expert with the M-16 on the first try, after one hour of range practice.

          We still are called up for service in this day and age. I know of several young guys who volunteered in the last few years that made sure, or their folks made sure they could shoot well before they ever were allowed to join.

          • You begin with the statement: “You are wrong!” You then continue with a number of fairly uninteresting statements about your personal life, that have no bearing (as far as I can tell – do, please, correct me if I missed something) on anything I said.

            The violence of the USA against other countries, and your half-witted delight in having participated in it, have nothing whatever to do with the 2nd amendment or the debate about ordinary citizens being armed against each other. The most charitable interpretation of your post might be that the noise of guns and wars has irreparably damaged your brain.

        • Very much incorrect.

          First, you are welcome to believe that the reason for the 2nd Amendment no longer exists. I and many other people disagree. The right will remain until you and those who agree with you manage to amend our Constitution. Given the strong support for the 2nd Amendment in the US that won’t be happening any time soon.

          Second, the idea that guns were not common in the US until after the Civil War is rooted in a book called “Arming America” by Michael Bellesiles. Unfortunately for those who support this thesis, scholars who attempted to replicate Bellesiles’s work found that he had fabricated much of his data. Bellesiles insisted his notes would prove that his critics were wrong… then he mysteriously lost them. Bellesiles was fired by Emory University for fabricating his results and Arming America is now almost universally accepted as fraudulent.

          • Mike – reading comprehension and logic don’t seem to be your strong suits.

            I never said “the reason for the 2nd Amendment no longer exists”. If you can open your mind a tad, when reading the 2nd , you will notice that it cites a particular justification for the right to bear arms, and no other justification. It is this particular justification that I am saying is no longer relevant to modern society. Why?

            As others have pointed out here, the police and US army have much better weapons than you and that crack pot (sorry, I mean crack shot) Marcus Boyd, so it’s not going to do you much good to bear arms against them, is it?

            No, hypocrites, the justification for your guns now, is to protect you against your fellow citizens, right? Thus terrorizing us all. No wonder Americans are all so fawningly polite to each other! I just wish y’all would shut up about the 2nd amendment, as it is totally irrelevant to your need for a gun to express your true violent character.

            As to the book you cite, you have the advantage of me, but my arguments in no way relied upon it.

        • By the same argument would you suggest that the 1st or any other of the bill of rights are equally ‘defunct’ in our so modern US? Perhaps that your laptop might be searched or seized for no reason by TSA or ICE on entering the US as the 4th is no longer relevant in modern US? The rest of your comment is so evidently ignorant that I won’t wast time.

  18. Great post! I have engaged Chinese friends in discussion about gun rights on several occasions, but encountered the same kind of annoying defensiveness that Uber mentioned. I’m pleased to see that some Chinese netizens recognize the value of private gun ownership and can envision that it might someday work in China.

    For those who are confused about American gun laws, here’s a brief summary from my perspective:

    - Virtually all American adults (except those with certain psychological problems or criminal histories) are allowed to own guns
    - Some states or localities restrict ownership of certain types of guns, or have limits on the size of magazines.
    - Most states allow people to carry firearms in public (openly or concealed), though some require licenses. Each state has its own restrictions on which places people cannot carry guns (e.g. schools, courthouses).

    • . . . . and the result is a ridiculously high murder rate, with most people who do get shot being shot with their own gun or the gun of a family member/friend.

      Guns kill people, and should be kept out of the hands of everyone except trained professionals and sportsmen.

      • In China, the city where i come from. cars kill ALOT more people than guns ever will in Baltimore City(look it up). If you sit in the corner of certain intersections and just watch traffic, you have a pretty good chance of seeing someone getting hit and maybe killed…..
        The rule of thumb is that IF you do hit someone, make sure you back up and run them over again for good measure. It’s better to pay a one time flat fee than to pay medical expenses to the “victim” for the rest of their lives. Older folks are much cheaper. How much you have to pay in restitution is based on age. (don’t you just love how the Chinese courts work?)
        BTW, the “victims” are almost always at fault. These people need to learn to look both ways before crossing. Most of these “victims” though, are immigrant workers from the North. They don’t seem to understand the concept that a 2 ton car can hurt them. The locals know to be careful.

        On that note, people kill people. Guns are just a tool. If i had to kill someone or wanted to commit murder, vehicular manslaughter is a better option than 1st degree murder with a handgun. :)

        • Some statistics…

          USA: There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed.

          China: There are about 450,000 car accidents on Chinese roads each year which cause about, 470,000 injuries and 100,000 deaths. The total cost of these crashes was 2.4 Billion dollars.

          If you compare, you can see America clearly has a great deal more accidents and injuries, yet China has more deaths. However, there are many factors not taken into account which could explain the difference in death rate…
          - Emergency response time
          - Available health care
          - Figures being tampered with (the World Health Organisation claims the figures from China could be more than what was officially released)
          - How safe the car is (durability, air bags, reinforced sidings, etc)
          - Whether or not some Chinese do reverse to make sure the person they hit is dead (I feel this is a generalisation)

          In America: 10,086 of 14,831 people were killed with firearms in 2007. American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialised nation. In one year, firearms killed:
          Japan = 0
          Great Britain = 19
          Germany = 57
          France = 109
          Canada = 153
          United States = 5,285

          • Statistics are always inaccurate in China. The gov always underreports everything. Always tries to put everything in a good light….like how much of the Chinese population has VD’s, HIV+, crime statistics, etc. Like everything else in China, statistics are censored as well :P ALOT of the crime is unreported or goes under the table. I would multiply all statistics and figures by 3 :) For HIV, i’d multiply their figures by 20.

          • the population of the United States is more on level with the population of the European Union, so the only real comparisons you can do are with larger population countries, or in this case, a union of countries.

            Even after taking the population in account, there will be more deaths per cap in the US than other countries, which can easily be explained by the incredibly diverse cultures and differences in how countries report deaths (note, murder suicides in japan count as multiple suicides, etc) and so forth.

            over HALF of the firearms deaths in the US are suicides as well, typically those kind of people would just end up killing themselves a different way if guns weren’t available.

            even if gun violence was a large problem in this country (which it isn’t really, it breaks down to 0.001% of the population) guns should still be legal for the freedom of it. same reason people think drugs should be legal, kind of ironic though you wont find very many people that think BOTH should be legal…

        • Estimated number of people killed by elicit drug use in the United States in 2000 according to the AMA journal: 17,000

          According to the CDC, in the United States in 2006, there were 30,896 deaths from firearms, divided as follows: Suicide 16,883; Homicide 12,791; Accident 642; Legal Intervention 360; Undetermined 220.

          That is, guns are twice as dangerous as Heroin, Cocaine, illegal amphetamines etc. etc. etc.

          • “A gun is just faster and easier”

            Precisely. Some of the suicides would not have taken place if it were not for the availability of guns, same with the murders. I get your argument about regulation etc., and given where the US is at right now this is the best that can be hoped for, but let’s not pretend this is a good thing. There is no reason why any other country should wish to inflict this on itself.

          • “…then they’re just pandering for attention.”

            Wot, you don’t think that plenty of suicides aren’t doing precisely this?

  19. The reason America can sell guns so openly is because it’s a nation that respects and follows the law. The guns used in crimes in America are usually bought and sold illegally and almost never cross paths with law-abiding gun owners.

    • “The guns used in crimes in America are usually bought and sold illegally”

      . . . . . . survey says no.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Firearmsources.svg

      Unless you’ve got some better stats, the chart seems quite conclusive: 18% of guns possesed by Federal inmates were stolen or bought from a fence/the black market, 15% were bought from drug dealers (and therefore also presumably illegally obtained) – that makes a grand total of 33%. The rest – 67%, more than 2/3rds – were legally obtained.

      • The majority of gun crimes in America involve handguns, and a small percentage of American stores sell handguns. “Straw purchases,” where a legal buyer purchases a gun for another person, usually someone would otherwise be ineligible to buy a gun, is illegal but hard to prosecute. Licensed handgun dealers are often corrupt but also hard to prosecute because of their legal licensing. Stolen guns account for only a small amount of gun crimes, but the sources criminals use to obtain guns are often not the same that a hunter or gun collector would use. By “legally” I meant no funny business. There are many “legal” channels for criminals to obtain guns but the legality lies not only in the source but also the motivation for the purchase.

        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

  20. Yeah, but I bet most of those “Guns” are made in PRC.

  21. The reason Americans can own guns is the same reason Americans can openly criticize the President, politicians, and our government. The Founders distrusted government and trusted the people. In other countries, the government distrusts the people and tries to control, manipulate and spy on them. Texas has a lot of guns, and you are not afraid. Vermont has no crime but you can have a gun and even carry it in your coat. So, having a gun does not cause crime, but criminals with guns can terrorize citizens armed with nothing.

    • Here here! I concur.
      Criminals “might” have second thoughts about robbing someone or breaking in to a home if there’s a good chance they might get shot. Look up crime statistics in England, Canada, Australia, and then areas where there are carry laws like Florida and the Midwest.

      Nothings perfect. They’ll always be problems with guns but i believe having them is better than not having them. I believe in self defense and would prefer to be on equal footing with the armed criminals. People should have the option to choose . And those irresponsible *sses that somehow let their young kids get a hang of those guns should be locked up.

      • You mean “look up the crime stats for countries including their major urban areas, and then compare them with only our mainly rural areas”, yes, the countryside suffers from less criminal activity than the city – your point being? Surely the real test is to compare like with like – London with New York, Sydney with Atlanta, Wales with Iowa, Ireland with Kentucky – and the result in all cases is that the US has a higher murder rate (which is one of the few crimes for which most countries have the same definition).

        Yes, if you have a gun in your hand you are on an even footing with armed criminals, but wouldn’t it be better simply to prevent the criminals from having access to guns? American history means that widespread ownership of guns is unlikely to disappear at any time in the foreseeable future, but this is hardly a good thing.

        • But most U.S. cities have MUCH lower rates of burglary and home invasions than London. I’ve read that almost half of burglaries in London occur while the occupants are home. In the U.S. that happens in about 1-2% of burglaries. It’s just not worth trying to rob someones home when there is a possibility they will shoot you.

          • Check it out –

            http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur_percap-crime-burglaries-per-capita&int=50

            The US has a higher rate of burglaries per capita than France, Ireland, Holland etc. – all of which have tight gun controls and low rates of private ownership. Of course, different countries have different definitions of constitutes burglary, and different rates of reporting, so we’re not comparing like with like, but there’s simply no evidence here than gun ownership decreases the likelihood of a burglary. Go through the stats on that website and you’ll find that the US has higher rates of assault, and rape than the UK and comparable levels of burglaries, car theft, and overall crime – although once again we may not be comparing like with like here. Murder is one of the few crimes where both the likelihood of detection and the definition of the crime are comparable between countries.

        • Preventing criminals from getting guns? Now why didn’t we think of that? We’re just handing them out like samples at a grocery! Not saying measure shouldn’t be taken or that guns should be easier to get but… xD I’m sure the law enforcement division isn’t exactly giddy and excited to hand out guns to criminals like popcorn. It’s not easy to eradicate the desire of people on the black market or otherwise to stop supplying arms to criminals.

        • Can’t really compare those. The comparison i’m making is those areas where guns are banned and those areas where guns are legal to carry openly or concealed.

          Anyway,
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449337/
          Irregardless of the gun issue, if you don’t want to get killed, by guns or other means…more likely by being shot though, don’t live in poor areas :P This is sort of common sense though but i guess we need even more statistics…

  22. The reactions of the commenters are really thoughtful and they sound educated. It’s weird and wrong but I don’t think of the average chinese person as being so thoughtful when it comes to the US, maybe just the ones here in SZ.

  23. These guns you see for sale are one of the most useless and destructive pieces of merchandise offered the puplic. What is a gun made for? To destroy something or to kill. In the US a great number of the population is so mentally imbalanced and insecure that they feel the need to own a gun to boost their selfconfidence or to protect themself. Besides in some parts of the US the situation has deteriorated to a point that killings with guns is a regular occurance ,especially among young people. So it is wise for everyone’s benefit to keep these things under control and away from the general population.

    • The murder rate in the U.S. has declined by almost half in the last 20 years. There was a lot of violence with gangs in the late-1980′s and early 1990′s due to crack, but that situation has improved dramatically.

      Part of the reason for the large gun sales in the U.S. is that hunting is very popular here. I go hunting several times a year myself, and have since childhood.

    • “the situation has deteriorated to a point that killings with guns is a regular occurance”

      “so mentally imbalanced and insecure that they feel the need to own a gun to… to protect themself”

      So on one hand you say that killings with guns is a regular occurance and yet the people who then feel they need one to protect themselves are ‘mentally imbalanced’? I’m not on either side in this case and I do feel like we probably need to be more careful about the processes in which people can gain access to guns, HOWEVER, do you really think if a criminal really wants to get a gun, they can’t even if there are a more laws in place to attempt to make sure they don’t?

      • I do own a gun legally, but I can tell you that if i wanted to commit a crime with a gun, i sure wouldn’t use my legally registered one if i didn’t want it traced to me. It’d cost me 400 bucks and 15 minutes to head downtown and buy one with no serial number or some stolen one…..umm…600 if i wanted to make sure i got a halfway decent piece :)

        I’ve got a kid and i keep mines locked up in a safe far far away from any ammo. Before my kid, it used to be in my nightstand. Reminds me though, i don’t think i’ve even fired the thing in 5 years.

        Anyway, i’ve always thought it stupid that lawmakers continue to make new more restrictive gun laws. Criminals ignore laws, so we’ll just make more laws that they can ignore…..

        More laws don’t matter if you just let them walk after catching them with illegal guns. This is common practice in Baltimore. Our prison system just can’t handle it. As messed up as China’s prison system/death penalty is, they do have the right idea in some ways.

        • Don’t hide the gun. Teach the child to respect it. My father did and I think that was the right approach.

          • He’s 2 years old right now :) Handgun safety and all that are in the future along with trap, skeet, etc. Doubt i’ll do hunting with him…that hasn’t been a part of my lifestyle since i was married….sigh

        • I agree with teaching kids to respect firearms early. The problem is that people don’t do that as much now.

          A firearm, be it a rifle, shotgun, pistol, or revolver, is just a tool. If you learn to use any or all of them, you will respect them and use them safely. They also will help you protect your family, property, and your own life if needed.

  24. I’m a 40 year old American. I hope that my comments can help you understand the nature of guns in America.

    Guns have been a part of American life from nearly the beginning of the settlement of North America. Ownership of guns is protected by the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. Some of the thinking about guns in early America deal with the possibility of being owned by the King of Britain (who was thought of as a villain). The British philosopher John Locke said (basically) “all governments get their right to govern from the people.” This is true of all governments: fascist, democratic, communist & socialist.

    Compared to other Western democracies, there is a great deal of gun violence in America. However, the vast majority of gun owners use them for hunting and a sense of self-protection. There are many laws against using guns for any reason besides hunting. So in America, it’s OK to own a gun, but there are strong restrictions on how you can use one. You can use a gun for hunting and to protect your house (once a criminal has entered), but any other use generally has a strong law against it.

    Personally, I don’t like guns and I will never own one. I can feel protected against gun owners because I know our police are extremely good at catching murderers. Even a nice American jail is a bad, bad place. Also, the American culture has become used to the idea of guns. There are some families where it’s very normal to own a gun, and I feel (mostly) confident that such people are not mad killers.

    Generally, you will find more gun ownership in rural areas and less in urban and sub-urban areas. Guns are a normal part of life in rural America. In the city, there are rules about carrying a gun and if it is hidden. These laws can depend on the individual state (eg California might be different from Texas).

    Certainly what I have said doesn’t cover the entire story (there is still the cultural meaning of guns and the psychology of guns), but I hope what I’ve written will give a better understanding of how guns are part of American culture.

  25. Here in Toronto, Canada, on the northern border of the US, hand guns are prohibited by the general public. Rifles can be purchased for hunters. Hand guns can be purchased for collectors. The vast majority of gun crime here uses an illegal gun. 50% of these guns are stolen from Canadian gun collectors. The other 50% are smuggled in from the US. Canada provides marijuana, and other drugs and receive payment in guns.

    For the US the wide access to guns seems to work. “An armed society is a polite society”, as I’ve read.

    In China all university students receive military training of a month (or used to). They learn to dig trenches, plan military strategy and shoot a rifle. Lots of graduates in China know how to shoot, hopefully better than they drive a car.

    • I’m a university teacher in China, and I’ve never seen any guns at the three schools where I’ve taught. Some simulated knife tactics, but it’s mostly marching drills and synchronized exercise regimens. I’ve never met a university student who has held a gun before. It could be possible that some schools permit gun training but the military training that students endure is mostly for psychological indoctrination rather than practical defense skills.

  26. The Chinese goverment sucks because their parent suck. When you beat your children for disclipe you create either a wimp who needs a gun to win or a tyrant who will ban any form of power another man can have over him. Fear breeds fear breeds suffering. Love your children, they are the future that will save you.

  27. I live in Texas, served 14 years in the military and am a qualified marksman in both rife and pistol, so I have no need tp prove my expertise with them. My time in the service taught me a healthy respect for firearms and the damage they can cause.

    As a citizen I have the constitutional right to legally own multiple firearms if I wanted, but I choose not to because at this point in my life I have no need for them.

    The city I live in is perfectly safe with a professional and competent police force that adaquately protects our community and violent crime is not a concern. I have no need to hunt for my food or kill dangerous animals.

    I still however support the constitutional right to bear arms and will do so again if I deem it necessary.

  28. Guns are ingrained into the US culture, and different cultures here mesh together; remember that our culture is only a few hundred years old, so we don’t have 40 centuries of animosity between groups to deal with.

    Many large cities here regulate handguns very closely (although that will soon change); as a consequence, social, law-abiding citizens have great difficulty getting guns, while the criminals (our ‘black society) have no difficulty. The population in some of these towns are at the mercy of the criminals.

    Also, our anti-gun citizens ‘stretch the truth’ when describing ‘children killed by guns’. They include people up to the age of 26 years, and include criminal-on-criminal murders in the total.

    While an unfortunate and irreplaceable few children are indeed killed accidentally each year bu firearms, it is actually a small percentage of the children that die accidentally from other means.

    And finally, our country’s constitution does allow firearms for the purpose of deposing an unjust government; the Revolutionary War of our nation was fought for precisely that reason; the depose the unjust rule of Great Britain (who, incidentally, were the same folks that disarmed YOUR population!)

  29. probably because… if chinese people have to use chopsticks because a knife is too complicated… how is it possible to use a gun ? hihih

  30. What Bill G. & some of the others who know this issue have said is entirely correct. There is a strong tendency among overly-sheltered, liberal, “frogs in the well” that if it’s impossible to regulate & control the criminals, then by all means regulate the law-abiding, so that it will to voters like they are doing something. I am 55 years old, have owned guns since childhood, and neither I, nor anyone I know has ever been hurt by, or has hurt any other person, with a gun. On the contrary, violent and potentially deadly situations have been dissipated by the mere appearance of a gun. Gun ownership requires responsibility & discipline. One must always keep in mind the four principles of gun safety. If you don’t know them, look them up. This can be passed on from father to child, whereby the gun is not just an object, but a symbol of trust, responsibility and self-control. Unfortunately, it doesn’t always work out this way. That is why it is necessary for honest, well-intended people to have firearms, to act as a deterrent. The police can not be everywhere at once and statistics show that police have a much higher percentage of accidental deaths due firearms than citizens do (many are poorly trained), and the job of law enforcement is not to provide personal protection anyway, it is simply to enforce the law.

    • Law enforcement’s job is to actually enforce judges’ orders. Officers, by law, do not need to enforce any law but they must obey and carry out judges’ orders.
      I agree that police officers aren’t always trained best and having guns is not a major issue in America. Don’t blame the guns, blame the people. MS13 is the most dangerous gang and they do not rely on guns for their murders.
      Take a look at Arizona’s crime rates as they’ve loosened gun control; the rate has declined.
      Chinese people don’t have the self control to be able to handle owning guns. Not to mention owning guns would give the people the ability to attempt an otherthrow of the Communist regime.

      • You are so pathetic. Every time when I try to imagine how fat American clerks and traders take their guns from Walmart in order to overthrow the government, I cannot but giggle hysterically. Your self-delusion is striking. To disperse some ten thousand fat US suburbia dwellers with there wildly mixed collection of guns, it would take an infantry platoon, 2 or 3 light armored vehicles with water cannons (possibly one with a real machine gun for the worst case), and switching off cell phone network etc.

        For any forceful overthrowing of a government it needs at least parts of armed forces siding with the insurgents. Thousands of armed rednecks, without proper command and control, would rather shoot one another in the feet. So much for your dreams of an armed citizenship.

        • You seem to fail to realize that many gun owners are also ex-military. In a situation where the government has completely gotten out of touch with the populace and an armed revolt was necessary, it is not unrealistic to think that at least some of the military would be on the side of the civilians.

          I’ve heard people say that a handgun is an acceptable weapon against an armored vehicle. The best response I heard once by an ex-Marine was “with a handgun, I can *get* a rocket launcher”…

        • Who do you think makes up the American armed forces—and in particular the “combat arms” like Infantry, Artillery and Armor?—men overwhelmingly from suburbs and small towns in the West, Midwest and South who grew up in families who own guns.

          And we have far more impressive weapons in our legal possession than the recreational shotguns and hunting rifles at Walmart—though an enemy would never know the difference between a .30 caliber bullet from a military M24 sniper rifle or a “civilian” Remington 700 hunting rifle.

          Tens of millions of Americans—who you arrogantly and bigotedly refer to as “rednecks”—own AR-15 rifles that are nearly identical to the M16s and M4s of the US armed forces.

          The millions of us who are veterans of the US armed forces did not suddenly forget everything we learned as warriors on the day we hung up our uniforms.

          • I can’t but laugh more loudly. Obviously, none of you has the tiniest knowlegde of military history, much less history of revolutions, insurrections. and civil wars. In your Hollywood fantasy world, all the good gun owners are united an willing to overthrow the bad government, and they are able to do so because of their Walmart guns, and because possibly the one of the other of them had the questionable fun to massacre some Asians or Middle Easterners from behind an extremly overwhelming air and artillery superiority (which did not hinder Chinese in 1950 and Vietnamese two decades later to miserably kick your butts). Since 1865, no American has learnt fighting in the rubble of the own houses – well should be glad about.

            Actually, in an armed insurrection you need political will, political leadership, and a broad popular movement. These conditions granted, and fighting an unpopular government with few support in the populace, it is strikingly unimportant whether the weapons come from Walmart or are taken from police or army precincts, or even stem from military units siding with the insurgents.

            Your Hollywood Dreams may even break apart into a full-featured nightmare once – like it was the cause in practically all civil wars – considerable parts of the populace are assembled around two or more major inimical factions in the country, no matter whether Southerner vs. Northerners, Leftists vs. Rightists, Black vs. Whites or vice versa. Then your nice distribution of weaponry will be the guarantee for an endless series of massacres and countermassacres.

            Your dream of millions of freedom-loving NRA-Rednecks standing up against the government stays ridiculous, given the topography, the widely suburbian settlement pattern, and the means of control and communication. The government could easily block any movement by cutting radio and TV, phone and cellphone communication, fuel supply and sub- and interurban roads with a minimum of troops. Any wannabe-revolutionary would have trouble to collect, much more to lead, feed, clothe and otherwise supply their heroes, every some hundred a pack from suburbian dwellings.

            Once there is no organization, armed resistance would simply be crime and treated that way. And the overwhelming majority even of arms-possessing citizens would applaud government and police for a crackdown of such culprits.

            But dream on

          • aquadraht:

            Laugh as loudly as you please.

            The braying of a jackass is one way to recognize the beast…

            Quite a few of us know just a little bit about “military history, much less history of revolutions, insurrections. and civil wars” and our “Hollywood fantasy” world is unfortunately the all-too-real one in which we’ve spent years away from our families in military service, seen friends killed, and shed our own blood.

            I’ve spent some time in the “rubble” of Iraqi houses—and I’ve put a few Iraqis in their graves whilst there.

            So keep smugly patting yourself on the back. And pray you never face the likes of me.

        • US Military Officers and enlisted men swear an oath to defend the Constitution, nothing else, against all enemies foreign and domestic.

          here is the wording for an Army Officer – other branches are similar if not exactly the same.

          “I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

          enlisted men take a similar oath

          so you see….it is the military that would lead the charge against an enemy that seeks to overthrow the Consititution of the United States regardless of where that enemy came from, internally or externally.

          As a former senior military officer, I know we would actively discuss this and it is always to restore a constitutionally elected government, of the people, by the people and for the people.

  31. I cannot disagree more with the majority of posters. America’s problem is that there is too much easy access to guns. Guns get stolen then are used for crime. A crazy man in China can take a knife and stab only so many adults before being subdued. A crazy American with a gun can kill many, as has happened many times. Japan’s murder rate is one of the lowest in the world because they have strict gun control. The myth that if everyone had a gun then criminals will be scared. Wrong, criminals will just shoot first in all instances. Innocent people, including children, will be killed by gun-toting idiots who will claim self-defense. Guns are not the answer!

    • Couple things:
      Yes, guns do get stolen and are used for crime. It happens, sucks, but it happens. People need to secure them better. I agree with you on this one.

      A crazy man in China “can” kill more people in China than a person with a gun in the US. This is very possible. The common Chinese person will run. He/she will not try to subdue the nutcase. The crazy man will just continue killing…Something in the Chinese mindset…”look out for number one and let everyone else rot”…I won’t get in to this….

      Japan has a low murder rate not because of guns, it’s because of their culture and mindset. For the most part, they are too “polite” to go postal. There are exceptions of course but they are more likely to commit suicide than to commit murder. It’s more “honorable”.

      Lastly, When everyone has guns, it does give criminals second thoughts before doing something nutty. The nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all “shall issue” carry permit states. The 31 states that do issue permits of some kind average a 20% lower murder rate than those that don’t.

      I will say that i don’t believe allowing carry laws in places like D.C. or Baltimore City or Detroit would help. It can only make things worse, due to several different factors.
      Elsewhere, guns are a pretty good deterrent.

    • The majority of the states in the United States have changed their laws regarding the carry of concealed handguns within the last couple of decades. In each case, they have made it MUCH EASIER to get a permit to carry a handgun.

      In EVERY case ignorant and emotional people have made the same claims you are making.

      In NOT A SINGLE CASE have those claims come to pass.

      Criminals have NOT started “shooting first.” Quite to the contrary, many criminals have been SHOT while attempting to rob or murder innocent people. Many other criminals have become frightened of dying at the hands of those they would rob or murder, and have changed their criminal activities to non-violent crimes like theft of (unoccupied, parked) cars rather than trying to car-jack someone who might shoot back.

      Children and other innocent people have NOT been being killed by people claiming “self-defense.” What HAS happened is a decrease in mass-murders by crazy people, and a shift by crazy mass-murderers towards places—like schools—where they know that they will be the only one with a gun. Just because they’re crazy doesn’t mean they’re stupid.

      More guns means less crime.

      You son’t have to like it, but that’s what the facts say.

  32. Somebody please post this simple graphic over there:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

    Explain how it works: in states in green, it is legal to carry a concealed handgun on your person with no prior government permission. In the blue states you need a government-issued permit to carry a concealed handgun, however you have to pass a background check and (usually) a day or two of training. Still, you WILL get the permit unless they can find a good reason not to such as a criminal conviction. In the yellow states these “carry permits” exist but government officials decide who gets them, so they’re relatively rare, and in the red states permits to carry concealed weapons don’t exist.

    Watch the map as it changes.

    There are now millions of people acting as a strong deterrent to street crime.

  33. Here in America, it’s true you can buy guns at walmart but we still have to wait about 3 days for background checks and permits to be authorized. The constitution also says that we can bear arms as an army to over through the government, but that hasn’t happens since the American revolution around 1775.

  34. American have it in their constitution. The right to bare arms. Allowed to have guns, but there are restrictions to it. Everyone must register their guns, and also apply for permit to have one. Without a permit, you can’t purchase a gun.

    It’s in the American constitution. The Freedom Speach. Citizens are allowed to voice their opinion if they believe that the government is doing something wrong or don’t agree with it. The American President served a 4 year term. Only a maximum 2 term allowed. If you don’t like your president, you can elect another one. The government is elected by it’s people. Government have no power if the people won’t follow. American’s repsect each other, human rights.

  35. I’m an American, and for other countries to understand our love and need for private gun ownership they need to look at the beginning of our nation. We used the weapons we kept at home to defeat a bad government! Since then it is the absolute right to own guns of almost any type. Some guns like machine guns require extra tax and registration-though there are not many to buy. You can own artillery cannons in the USA and hand grenades if you want. However, every commercial sale requires a personal background check. Most guns can be sold between private people without any government paperwork. It is a great source of pride for me that not only can I have weapons as good as the military, but that my society trusts me to own them. That is what being an American is about, being given an abnormally large amount of responsibility and achieving great things with it.

    Lastly, people in countries like China need to know that the minute you pick up a gun, you instantly change from subject to Citizen. Look at how similar the USA is from England, we are both free societies, but Americans still control our government because we still have the ability to change it by force if needed.

    • LMAO. Americans control the government? OMG. So many American morons on chinasmack. Also there are tons of countries with lax gun law but non have so many people killed by gun shootings, except maybe mexico. America is very violent for a country which allows guns.

    • “Look at how similar the USA is from England, we are both free societies, but Americans still control our government because we still have the ability to change it by force if needed”

      Whereas in ‘England’ we have these things called elections, you might want to try them sometime . . .

      • In England you also have a long history of ignoring elections when your government doesn’t get the results it wants.

        Ask any Irish or Scot or Welshman about how much their vote means when they decide they want out of the UK.

        • “Ask any Irish or Scot or Welshman about how much their vote means when they decide they want out of the UK.”

          I’m guessing your an American: 2000, remember that?

          As for the rest, well, let’s see – Ireland is independent and has been since 1921, and no Northern Irish, Welsh, or Scottish vote has ever resulted in a majority for independence. Perhaps you would like to tell me which election we in ‘England’ ignored?

          • Got a point there, maybe Gandhi should have got himself a gun?

          • I’m guessing your an American: 2000, remember that?

            In 2000, just as in any other presidential election, the states voted in proportion to their electoral vote count. It would be as if England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each got one vote in deciding the next UK parliament instead of England swamping them with sheer numbers. I’m glad you’re there and we’re here. There is a reason the UK was evicted from its American colonies south of the 49th parallel, you know.

          • Once again, I’m not going to be down on someone just for not knowing how the UK electoral system works, but maybe you shouldn’t talk about stuff you obviously don’t understand.

            The UK electoral system means that the entire country is divided up into constituencies of roughly equal population, that is true, but it is the Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish themselves who choose to not to elect pro-independence (or in NI’s case, Republican) parties to the majority of the seats within their borders. It is not England’s population which prevents a majority for independence (or, in NI terms, Republicanism) but the populations of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

          • Once again, I’m not going to be down on someone just for not knowing how the UK electoral system works, but maybe you shouldn’t talk about stuff you obviously don’t understand.

            Similarly, it’s not fair to criticize you for not researching how the American presidential system works (it’s electoral votes, not actual individual votes), since your combination of laziness and arrogance is in-born, but most people put more of an effort into looking things up before they comment on anything at all.

          • The Irish voted overwhelmingly in both 1914 and 1918 for self-rule and independence.

            In 1914 the British ignored them.

            In 1918 the British ignored them.

            In 1921 the Irish kicked you out of most of Ireland—at the point of guns—and even then you ignored the votes of the majority of the Irish and clung to the 6 counties in the north.

  36. What even most Americans do not know is that when our states were still just colonies, in some places the law required you to have a working gun in your home. Gun ownership was once not a right but also an obligation, a civic duty. Further, the right to have them was not for protection and hunting only. It was to fight a tyrannical government if necessary. Our colonists and Founders did not trust government to let them be the exclusive owners of arms.

  37. The first amnendment of the US constitution
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

    The second amendment of the US constitution

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    There are 27 in total, but the first 10 are called the Bill Of Rights and are guaranteed by this constitution. The only way to keep a government from growing too powerful is the will of the people to do what’s right.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

  38. I am an American. Born and raised.

    We have guns like this for sale because the second amendment of our constitution says it is our right. Wal-Mart sells hunting rifles and shotguns, there are gun stores with hundreds of guns, from assault rifles like AK-47′s to handguns.

    We are not really a harmonious people and the ability to live in a society with guns has more to do with the fact that we are BORN into a system with guns. For us guns are nothing special, and we are mostly non-violent not because of harmony, but because of laziness.

    The reason for us to have guns is, as said before in the comments, to overthrow our government if they become too much. The problem is, the American people of today would not do that. That is why George Bush stayed in office 8 years, even though his job approval at the end was only 8-14%.

    We live with guns because we always lived with guns. Our police and military have better guns than most citizens, and they would win if there was a fight. People here are very afraid of death, they will do anything to avoid pain or discomfort. So no one would ever use the guns to fight.

    Most of our criminals are not educated. There are no great crime syndicates here.. only street thugs. And the street thugs exist mostly for drugs.

    Also, someone mentioned school shootings. We have those here, plenty. People who get bullied sometimes will bring guns to school and kill people.

    America has many many problems, just like everyone else

    • America non-violent? Are you a fucking moron? LOL LMAO ROFL. America is one of the most violent countries in the world, and the gun laws have EVERYTHING to do with it. Don’t lie.

      • America non-violent? Are you a fucking moron? LOL LMAO ROFL. America is one of the most violent countries in the world, and the gun laws have EVERYTHING to do with it. Don’t lie.

        You’re mistaking Hollywood entertainment with reality. In this homicide rate ranking, the US ranks 45th in the world.

        • Yeah, although the 44 nations above them are made up entirely of relatively poor nations. The United States doesn’t have the highest murder rate in the world, but it does have the highest rate in the 1st world.

          • Yeah, although the 44 nations above them are made up entirely of relatively poor nations. The United States doesn’t have the highest murder rate in the world, but it does have the highest rate in the 1st world.

            It’s also got the highest black population (12%) in the First World. Put the same proportion of blacks in the UK (which is 2% black) or indeed, any other First World country, and I bet you’d have the same murder rate. In fact, Jamaica, which has gun prohibition, has a per capita murder rate which is 20 times higher than China, despite having a higher GDP per capita, whether you use nominal or PPP. Heck, Jamaica also has higher GDP per capita than Thailand and the Philippines (where, unlike Jamaica, gun possession is legal), but Jamaica’s murder rate is 7 to 20 times higher. The key difference? No blacks to speak of in China, Thailand or the Philippines.

            I’m not racist in the sense of thinking that law-abiding blacks are responsible for the acts of black criminals. I don’t think there should be special laws discriminating against blacks, criminal or otherwise. But the reality, whether you like it or not, is that while a minority of blacks are violent criminals, that minority is, on a per capita basis, more substantial at all levels of income than for other races.

  39. natural that walmart should be selling guns – how else will you kill the zombies?

  40. We are given the right as Americans to keep and bare arms. this was given to ensure the goverment is free. The guns in wally world are for hunting only..

  41. wow,I am amazed,The people of China leaving comments understand the issue of gun ownership here in America than our elected officials do.

  42. This picture reminds me of “The Evil Dead” movies,”Shop Smart Shop Smart.”We have 3 guns in our house one Shot Gun,(passed Down from grandparents),2 rifles.My husband like to hunt,We live in Michigan.But we keep them well locked up with Ammo locked elsewhere same as Hunting Bows.We have plenty of Black Bears(Ninja Bears) in my State,but to hunt them you have to have tags sames as deers,etc.,they pretty expensive and Bears tags have a lottery.Most of American is a Live and Let Live Society.Most people don’t get upset until people try to force their lifestyle onto others.Like Religious Communities marrying under age children,or Nudest at public parks,etc..As long as you leave others alone,they pretty much leave you alone.Most people I know do not carry hand guns,only a few people I know have a CCW.One is a trucker who works in Detroit City Proper and out of state,the other is a single lady,she has a hand gun because for some stupid reason Tasers and Pepper Spray are illegal to own in my state,which more women would rather carry than a gun.

  43. Lets not get too much ahead of ourselfes.

    China and the US cannot be compared, and the fanboys in the original source praising america and their gun-culture over the top.

    This just reeks too much of “neighbors grass is greener”…

    China needs the power-monopoly in the hands of the state. In fact, China already had their ‘guns for all’ policy back then in the 30′s. And what happened? Civil-War and communists arming themselves overthrowing the ‘democratic’ and ‘more free’ KMT, these faggots loved so much.
    Of course, faggots here would say, ‘cool we should now wage another civil war to overthrow the CCP’ – but they are forgetting how many victims these first already claimed and into what level of shit this turned China into. The second wont be any better – not with all the social issues China still has.

    Shit like this shall never allowed to happen again – even less in the name of ‘freedom and democracy’. The state who holds the shit together with its mailed fist should be the only one allowed to have weapons.

  44. I’ve found Chinese people who move here to the U.S. to be very capable & responsible gun owners. Also, look how well Chinese Olympic competitors are doing in shooting events now—particularly the women. I shoot with members of the state and city law enforcement community where I live. I “qualify” along with them on shooting range training regimens. They tell me time & time again that the one thing burglars & rapists and fear the most is the prospect of an armed target. They are happy to see reasonable, well trained civilians carrying guns for self defense. Some of the most crucial training is how to avoid ever having to resort to using a gun in the first place by avoiding potential problems. Best self defense weapon is the mind; sometimes that isn’t enough, unfortunately. Here is a link to an article that examines the fears many people have regarding firearms: http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

  45. If no one among us is capable of governing himself then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

  46. Gipper: That would be Barack Hussein Obama—his wife told us all that he’s “ready to rule”. LOL!!!

  47. It is funny how the chinese who left comments all took it for granted that the United States must be such a great society because it can afford to let people own guns without everyone killing each other.

    I would like to offer a different perspective: if in Europe, or in China, the state historically does not allow people to buy weapons, it is because they are afraid of people using them against the government. In Europe in the past, there were massive communist parties and workers’ movements which could have made use of the guns to start a revolution. In the US most people are brainwashed enough that letting them have guns is not a threat to the government. The guns are only used by the poor to kill each other.

    • In the US most people are brainwashed enough that letting them have guns is not a threat to the government.

      I would credit the lack of greed for what isn’t theirs. Under the Kuomintang, guns weren’t banned. The Communists took advantage of that loophole to arm themselves and win for themselves a country. They then ate like emperors by starving tens of millions to death. That had nothing to do with them not being brainwashed – it had to do with the classic Chinese mode of advancement – win the throne, and you can have your slaves work to feed you for the rest of their lives.

  48. I’m an American raised in a military family and hunted as a teenager but I am appalled at how easily guns are available in my country. Some here feel that 30,000 dead a year is tiny, a drop in the bucket, but most of these deaths were preventable. IN the heat of the moment, guns do irrevocable harm to others. After living in China for awhile and returning to the U.S. I felt unsafe on the streets not knowing who was “packing heat,” i.e. carrying a gun, legally or not. It is a wild West mentality that Europeans frankly find barbaric and for good reason. This talk about how it proves the government trusts its citizens or that its citizens need guns to stand up to the government is a poor reason to live in an armed camp of a society where such violence is condoned.

    • Every reason to be scared. Americans have a very high shooting kill rate compared to other countries. This is because Americans are generally more prone to violence then other people.

    • Guns do irrevocable harm to others? A gun does not pull its own trigger; people are ultimately responsible for their own actions, be it signing a contract, driving a car, or shooting a gun. “Heat of the moment” is not an excuse. You pull the trigger, you’re responsible for where that bullet goes, be it through a paper target and into a dirt berm, or into the chest of a person.

      Basically you are arguing that people cannot be trusted, because a gun is merely a force multiplier. It will not shoot anything except what it’s aimed at when the trigger is pulled. Those who would shoot others maliciously or negligently must be held responsible for their actions. Don’t blame inanimate objects, or take freedom away from the innocent.

      Deaths, preventable? No. At most, they are merely postponed. Everybody dies one way or another. Nobody ever said freedom is guaranteed safe.

    • Rick,

      In switzerland every able bodied male is REQUIRED to own a combat rifle. It has one of the highest standards of living in the world. And one of the lowest crime rates.

    • Pretty ignorant rant.

    • After living in China for awhile and returning to the U.S. I felt unsafe on the streets not knowing who was “packing heat,” i.e. carrying a gun, legally or not.

      This is kind of weird, because the Chinese I know feel safer in America, because they haven’t been subjected to the level of thefts and robberies they have in China.

    • You are FOS Bro.

  49. There’s a shortage of guns in china because they sold them all ((AK-47s’)) to arabian countries! Come on ppl, if you think china doesn’t have weapons then you are obviously an oblivious retread. Chinas’ citizens don’t have guns because their gubbament demands complete control of their citizens. And they do have complete control of their citizen/minions. And I would suggest that anyone who would like to be controlled by their gubbament to move to a country where this is so. That way the rest of us that want to be free can be free.

    Again, guns, cars, knives etc. are not our problem. The ppl who use these everyday implements to commit crimes that are the problem. But because society at large can never seem to get to the root of any problem I can assure you that ppl who kill ((civilians and politicians alike)) will continue to be a problem…

    Trust meh

  50. A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a subject.
    A government should fear it’s citizens, government feared by it’s citizens is a tyranny.

    • That is the most distorted stupid American logic ever. There are plenty of real democracies (much more real that the US) where people can’t buy guns. The idea that there should be a permanent state of tension between the citizens and the government because the citizens have their own guns is barbaric, worthy of a Pashtun tribe in Afghanistan.

  51. Chinese reactions? Who cares. I am an American citizen who current lives in China. In the morning, I think to myself that there will be nothing else that can amaze me about Chinese naivete. Then, by the mid-morning, I am once again reminded about where I am. And, for those of you who would like to hark “Why are you here?” Taking lots of Chinese money, of course.

  52. The #1 reason why Americans have guns is to be prepared for zombie invasions.

  53. As an update, most WalMarts in America are no longer selling firearms. They still sell ammunition and shooting accessories, though. Firearms are still easy for law-abiding citizens to buy in most states. New York, California, Illinois, and Hawaii have seriously limited most people’s access to firearms, while Alaska, Arizona, and Vermont allow the law-abiding to openly carry firearms in public places.

  54. actually back in ’67 when students raided the armory in the city I live in China, guns as just as plenty. Even worst, cause they’re automatics [though from the story i heard, they tend to jam a lot]

    The bad thing of course is then different faction decides to shoot at each other, and things are pretty bad. When I went to 90s, you can still find bullet holes in some of the buildings. But now those houses are teared and replaced with carrefours and such.

  55. I think guns in China would improve the driving. The fear of being shot makes people drive better. Take the case: Taxi stops, old lady starts to pay, black Audi pulls up and driver leans on horn. Old lady is a little slow getting out, Audi man is still leaning on horn. Black Audi gets riddled with bullets from angry people trying to sleep or walking by. World is better place as one more shithead is wiped from the gene pool. End story.

  56. “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” – Mao

    The US Constitution guarantees the right of US citizens to bear arms, so if the government becomes tyrannical, the people can rise up and start a new one. Read the Declaration of Independence.

    • Yes, of course, you’re right, all the politicians and legislators in the state capitols, and Washington, are quivering with fear at the thought of the rifles under the beds, and the pistols in the nightstands. Wouldn’t take a moment to organize everyone into a well-regulated militia and march them along the freeways to glory, would it?

      Reading your post, I’ve finally understood, after years of gnawing my knuckles, why Americans own guns.

      Now, I’m off to read the Declaration of Independence, since that’s where I’ll find the US Constitution. I know that because you said so.

      [And never mind that Mao is talking about the control of guns by the government (actually the communist party, but that’s hair-splitting in China) against the people, which is exactly the reverse of your (totally outmoded) idea – the quote sounds good, and if we’ve got a few beers down, no one will notice.]

      Can’t wait for your next enlightening post.

      • Yes, of course, you’re right, all the politicians and legislators in the state capitols, and Washington, are quivering with fear at the thought of the rifles under the beds, and the pistols in the nightstands. Wouldn’t take a moment to organize everyone into a well-regulated militia and march them along the freeways to glory, would it?

        No politician is worried about militiamen taking down the military – he’s worried about a fearless individual taking him out. Before Mao could carry out his program, he had to disarm the Chinese population. Otherwise, one of them might have put China out of its misery by putting him down like the rabid dog he was.

  57. just shows how f****d up america is. i quite dont understand why anyone would want to live there. crime and violence is tolerated, its part of their culture, its therefore the reason, why we have this so called land of the free right now. elbow society with no morals causing not only death to their own citizens but casting a shadow of war all over the planet. dont get me wrong, the land its build on is maybe the most diverse and beautiful nature has to offer, its just the people on it, chanting ‘USA USA USA’ that make me wonder…

    • A perfect example of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. The premise of his screen name implies that the only use of guns is killing people and shows his ignorance. His foolish notion of America is based on propaganda and not knowledge. The fact that America has protected freedom and defeated many dictators all over the world for the last century is ignored to promote his twisted view of the US. The US has never cast a shadow of war on the planet, just responded to he waring fascists that would enslave people and cause mass genocide, like Mao in China.

  58. As an American born of Cuban Parents I have a interesting background on firearms and why America has them.

    When the King of England ruled over the Crown Colonies in the New World, the subjects were not treated with respect. They had no voice in the British Government and were taxed without any representation and recourse. The people wanted to resolve issues with the Crown in a peaceful manner but the Crown didn’t give a damn. After years and years of issues and events the British Government went to remove the lawful arms form the people. Hence the start of the American War for Independence.

    My family fled Cuba because of a Communist Revolution. The same Communist Revolution that happened in Mainland China. With the Castro Government came disarming of the people and then death squads and people being killed by the government for simply not not agreeing with it.

    My family came to the USA in May of 1961. We fought against Communist Aggression in Cuba, Vietnam, and in many other parts of the world. My family has served in the US Armed Forces and as Police since we became Americans.

    We don’t just own hunting arms. We have pistols, rifles, shotguns, submachine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, crew served machine guns, anti-material rifles, sniper rifles, silenced weapons, etc…. all are legal to own the the USA. I own many from each category.

    I own AR-15s, AK-47s, a Steyr AUG, Remington 870s, Armalite AR-180, Remington 700, Sig 522, M1 Garand, Mauser K98k, No4 Mk I Enfield, Type 53 Mosin Nagant, M39 Mosin Nagant, M1 Carbines, etc….

    As a nation we are armed for our own protection against foreign threats and domestic threats. It is one of our founding principles. If either the Communist Government of the People’s Republic of China wished to harm the United States of America or if my own government became despotic we have the means to resist.

    That is what separates a free people from those locked into serfdom and slavery to the state. I wish that the people of China could be free and not live under a despotic regime. But sadly many of you are blind followers of the State.

    In the end…. an armed person is a citizen, a disarmed person and a subject.

    Which would you rather be?

  59. You people are idiots.

    All you have to do is get on the internet and do a little searching and you can’t even do that.

    Walmart does sell guns but not any idiot can ask to examine a gun. They have super tight restrictions, even on that. I know for one, you must show them a valid gun permit for which ever state you are in at the time.

    Any idiot that tells you differently doesnt know what he/she is talking about.

    #2 I love my country, but stop believing in all that “Americans live comfortably” bullshit. Although our population is small compared to yours, Millions and millions of people were dirt poor before the recession came through. Check out some of the other states besides California, Florida and NY and you’ll see that.

    “No wonder America is so wealthy?”

    If I was the leader of China, I wouldn’t worry about giving you guys guns, i’d worry about giving you guys unmodified world history books. Your heads would explode from the first 3 chapters.

    • @Terry Bogard
      You said: “Walmart does sell guns but not any idiot can ask to examine a gun. They have super tight restrictions, even on that. I know for one, you must show them a valid gun permit for which ever state you are in at the time.

      Any idiot that tells you differently doesnt know what he/she is talking about.”

      I don’t need a stinking permit. In most cases you only have to be old enough to examine the gun. To buy a gun requires a background check.

      Stop pulling crap out of your ass.

    • Many US states do not require any permit to buy and carry a gun.

  60. “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
    Sigmund Freud.

    “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
    Robert A. Heinlein.

    It is clear that the people in China have not reached the point of personal freedom that is needed to have free ownership of weapons. The problem in the US is that too many of our leaders would like Americans to be as meek and weak as the Chinese, meaning easy to control.

    • I’m just open-mouthed at the breath-taking fatuity of the 2 posts you contributed to this board today.

      If there were some hellish, Olympic contest with a prize for packing, into the smallest possible space, incorrect history, facts and quotes along with chauvinistic, racist drivel – I think your posts would challenge seriously for the Gold and Silver medals.

      Please don’t make me respond point by point. I started to, but realized I hardly have the time.

      The scary part is realizing that I’m living in a country with people like you in it. You’re like a bloated, arrogant balloon, packed full of stale shit-reek, and I wouldn’t like to be around to smell it when something or someone finally bursts you.

      • Typical liberal response. When you don’t have facts you use the argument through intimidation. don’t respond with a reasonable discussion, insult the poster to keep yourself from having to think of something intelligent to say. Of course you won’t respond to my post with logic or reasonable thoughts, the liberal mindset is not capable of anything except insult the other person instead of debating them. Your post is shallow and without any rational thoughts. As I said a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. Thank you for proving my point.

        • As a card-carrying liberal type, I am puzzled by this comment. I am not convinced that this random moron is a proper representation of the blue state thought-process. Not every liberal is incapable of rational thought.

          [That would be like thinking the bible thumping anti-evolutionists that post drivel on YouTube make up the majority of the red states.]

          Peter’s ridiculous comments aside, the debate in the states has never been about guns being legal or not; it’s about limits on certain kinds of guns, carry-laws, and other forms of regulation. I have rarely met well-educated Americans who are against gun-ownership in it’s entirety.

          I wonder how legalizing guns might change the social landscape in China, though. I have lived here long enough to worry that it might lead to a bloody massacre. I am glad that there were no guns used during the anti-American and anti-Japanese riots. Then again, maybe the rioting wouldn’t have escalated into peasants throwing rocks at foreign children if the foreign parents were likely to be carrying.

    • what the hell man. Sigmund Freud himself was sexually retarded, maybe stop picking quotes which you think would underline your sadistic opinion. I’m not afraid of guns but the people carrying it. You and the other guy with his arsenal of weapons have just proven me right. Please stay where you are.

      I dont need history books or whatsover and there are many chinese (which im not) out there who actually know what kind of problems they have on mainland. But that is not the point here anyway. Maybe start using the little thing called brain which can be found inside your very head before calling other people brainwashed the next time you watch your ‘propaganda-free’ News on CNN CBS and whatsoever Channel used by your countrys leading People to frighten their citizens.

      And by the Way, the US never actively did anything against the CP in China. Maybe at that time, there was nothing to earn from it.

      • The problem is you do need history books, and if you read them you would know that the most sadistic and brutal governments were the ones that disarmed the people so that they could pacify, control and commit genocide of the people they governed. I fear uncontrolled spending, control, and power, of the government not guns. That is the nice thing about armed people, you don’t need to have fear.

  61. “An armed society is a polite society.” – Heinlein

    I greatly enjoyed reading your comments. Many citizens here own military guns. Many of us have served in the military. I have about 20 guns and enough ammunition to last the rest of my life even if I die of old age. We are prepared for anything but generally speaking we consider guns useful for a great many things, not only to be used as weapons against each other.

    There has never been a murder in my city.

    • SuperMan, I’m fascinated. What, pray, are the “great many” uses of guns, other than “as weapons against each other”? Do tell.

      Before you begin, let’s take for granted their also being “used as weapons against” defenseless animals (you know, those cowardly acts of aggression by otherwise fat, well-fed men known as “hunters”). I don’t think you were talking about that, and we can argue about it another time.

      Hmm: uses of guns…. Maybe in case the Indians or the buffalo try to reclaim their land? Holding off the kind of federal forces that used to be sent out against gun fruit cakes in the Idaho wilderness? Space invaders?

      If you don’t mind, for now I’m going to hold off on the gunnies’ marvelous notion of shooting at unarmed assailants foolish enough to enter their homes uninvited (gun as deterrent). Not because this is not an instance of using “weapons against each other” (it obviously is, therefore your post was not concerned with it), but because the topic deserves a separate discussion.

      • Ever watch the Olympics? There are several dozen shooting events. Competition shooting is very big and there are hundreds of different kinds of events. I have never hunted, but I have been a competitive shooter starting in my teens and have won many medals and trophies for shooting. I shoot small bore match rifle, Cowboy action, and trap and skeet as well as high power bench rest shooting. The many uses for guns is as great as the many uses for automobiles.
        As far as acts of aggression against animals, all I can say it is a modern kind of liberal that has such silly notions. If you lived in another time you would go hungry with the idea that hunting is bad. Furthermore I am sure that the notion of defenseless animals is contradictory to the facts of the food chain.

        • You and I probably should not bother, because you’re just chattering, whereas there’s a serious point at issue. On this forum, we’re talking about why ordinary people need to buy and carry guns – have them always at their elbows, in their drawers…

          The people you call “liberals” are mostly appalled and terrorized at the notion of anyone (me, you…), never mind everyone, welcoming a thing like a gun into their home. It has nothing to do with sexual or emotional maturity (topics with which you insulted and taunted your other adversary in your very first sentence – so it hardly becomes you to complain when you get insulted too!). It has to do with innocent people getting hurt and injured for no damn reason other than the mostly baseless fears of gun-owners and bearers.

          So, now you chatter about Olympic competition. OK, you’re still at the mental age of about 10, you think it’s super to hit a target. I have no quarrel with you – go DO it! At the gun center, the shooting range, you can practice safely, all you want. Have a good time. But buying guns for your home? What’s that got to do with it? Guns can be used to kill and maim people, and I submit that in ordinary everyday situations (not in target practice competitions, not hunting in the woods), there’s no other use for them! That’s what we’re arguing about!

          Now, you want to chatter about hunting too. First, let me abstract from the situation where you have no food but what you can shoot in the wilds. OK, if that is somehow your situation, and you plan to use what you kill for food (clothes…) much like a lion downing a zebra on the savannah – who could argue with you?

          But, let’s be serious – and honest. Yes, I know, that last one is going to be tough for you, but courage, Gregory. How many people who go hunting in this country are really in the above situation? They just do it for fun, for kicks. OK, again, if people really get their kicks killing and maiming defenseless creatures, then who am I to argue? Show off the carcasses to your friends, put the heads up on the wall, have a good time. But please let’s not keep the guns where the Columbine kids, etc., can easily get them, buy them, etc.. Let’s not have a culture where everyone has a gun, and tens of thousands of people are getting killed and maimed every year, and hundreds of thousands more live in fear of the same. When it comes to getting rid of this culture of violence, it is – I suggest – people like you, with your glib attitudes, who stand in the way.

          I know there are a lot complex issues here, technical matters and statistics. We can hardly address them all in these little boxes. I am more trying to make an appeal at the level of the heart. My feeling is that those who love guns are cold and unloving, and do not truly respect and love people. You will say: “Oh, no, guns are just our tools, our way of protecting (loving) our families.” But, I think that if you really stop and look at it, Gregory (and all you other gun-lovers), you’re going to know in your heart that your position doesn’t feel good, that you’d rather we none of us needed, wanted or possessed guns.

          • A more reasoned reply, but you assume that your feeling are more important then other people beliefs and rights. So you think that shooting competitions are childish? I guess by that standard all sports are childish and people who play and watch them are at a mental age of 10.

            As far as hunting goes I guess you feel morally superior to go buy food at the market. You once again place yourself above other people because you don’t like a sport. I am sure that a rabbit does not like being hunted by a wolf either, but that does not make a rabbit morally superior to a wolf. If you resent being at the top of the food chain then you should try to go live without your comfortable, modern lifestyle and have to survive on just your limited mental ability.

            Yes there are allot of complex issues here. The problem is that all of the statistics, crime reports, FBI crime studies, and fact based studies have shown that in cities and states where there is open gun ownership and carry laws the crime is much lower than in cities and states that have restrictive gun laws. Chicago and DC are the most prominent examples, but there are many others. If you study the FBI crime figures or read John Lott’s books that is a good place to start your learning process.

            I will just ignore your closing statements that you are more loving and sensitive because you don’t like guns because it is such a stupid comment and is irrelevant. I will just say that all the love in your heart will not help you when you are attacked and you will not be able to defend yourself. If you had to watch a loved one hurt or killed because you did not have the moral strength to defend yourself and family it might change your mind. I am a kind enough person to say I hope you never have a dilemma like that and god help you if you do.

      • An excellent use for guns is keeping people like Peter from ramming their arrogant prejudices down our throats.

        That’s really what Petey finds so offensive about guns—if he gets in someone’s face with his obnoxious hate-filled lunacy, they might not just kick his ass, they might put a bullet in him.

        • Well done, Cosantoir! You have perfectly nailed the loss of free-speech and peaceful action that normal people in USA suffer, due to fear of violent, gun-crazed creeps like you.

          • Jones – I believe you have totally misunderstood Cosantoir’s post, and my response. I have no argument about putting the poor cow out of its pain, if that is truly the best option (no vets around, etc.). A gun, if available, may or may not be the best option for that.

            But Cosantoir simply threatened me with gun violence. He says, in case you missed it, that an excellent use for guns is putting a bullet in people like me, if what we say, or the way we say it, happens to annoy him. Please re-read what he said now, to be sure you understand, before we proceed.

            I’m grateful you’ve given me a chance to expand a little bit on dear Cosantoir. You see, when I am driving along, and someone cuts me out, or perpetrates what I take to be some other act of inconsiderate or incompetent driving, I never, ever, hoot, or remonstrate, or say anything, or even look at the driver in question. I knew someone who got shot for doing these things (the driver had a gun in his glove compartment – you know, using his 2A rights.] Similarly, I would never, ever say anything to Cosantoir outside a web forum, because he just explicitly told everyone that he’d like to shoot me for what I have said. With what little I know of this person, I have no reason to doubt his word. He already said, elsewhere here, that he carries a gun, and threatens others with it.

            Finally, you may in future wish to distinguish its from it’s. “Its” is a possessive pronoun, and there’s no apostrophe at all. “It’s” is short for “it is”. So you mean “its misery”, not “it’s misery”, and “its long death throws”, not “it’s long death throws”. [A side issue - you are referring to death throes, I take it, not "throws". Bit hard throwing a dying cow around, perhaps? ]

          • Peter, you are an hero.

          • 谢谢你, 美大侠。我不是英雄,但也许一点独自(寂寞?)在这里!

          • http://encyclopediadramatica.com/An_hero

            我不是说你是个英雄,我说你是’an hero.’ 也是如果你觉得我是个中国人,谢谢你,我不敢但。我就是个像爱中国的人。

          • Ah, the sting of disappointment. Don’t suppose you’d have any more capacity to justify your point of view than Jones, Gregory, Box, etc. etc.? No, I didn’t think so…太糟糕了!

            Tell you what, though – fucktard though I may be, the disease is not to that degree where I’d waste any more time talking with you folks! This is my last post on this board. Congratulations, now you can all fire your guns in the air in celebration. Hope the bullets don’t land on any of you twerps!

          • Peter,

            You basically ignored every rational argument that Gregory made when he tore your ideas to pieces. He answered all of your questions neatly; instead of conceding this, you jumped from thread to thread arguing randomly with other people. If you are really trying to have a constructive conversation, you also have to be willing and able to concede where you are wrong. Otherwise, you are acting like a small-minded thug.

            You write beautifully, but your ideas are hounded by logical fallacies and a rather sad condition of mistrusting the general public. If I read your arguments correctly, the biggest difference between you and everyone else is just that you don’t trust yourself or other people with guns. You have to understand that not everyone holds other people to such low standards.

            PS: I find it odd that you picked my name out of the crowd as “someone without the capacity to justify my point of view.” Our conversation was limited to me pointing out the hypocrisy in one of your comments when you slurred, attacked, and mis-represented Jones while writing about how the conversation should be kept civil. It’s very Bill O’Reilly of you to tell people to be polite while you call them names and talk over them.

            Some advice: Sophistry, trust issues, and bully-like behavior are signs of the sociopath. Obviously, I cant offer a proper recommendation over Chinasmack, but if you are like this in real life you should see a psychiatrist. I know a few people who are available in Shanghai if you are covered by decent insurance.

          • Against better judgement, am breaking my own promise, in order to query one of the very few ideas of substance in your recent post. You say: “You basically ignored every rational argument that Gregory made when he tore your ideas to pieces. He answered all of your questions neatly;”.

            I dispute this utterly, but let’s keep the dispute very specific. There is no satisfactory response, from Gregory or anyone else, to the simple question with which this sub-thread (answering Super V Owner) began: “What, pray, are the ‘great many’ uses of guns, other than ‘as weapons against each other’?”

            As stated clearly above, more than once, we may exempt sporting competitions and killing animals (ie. hunting, by well-fed men) from these “uses”. Such “uses” are irrelevant to the fundamental concern of my question: (1) because there is no cogent argument (I know of) to stop people doing what they want in these areas (2) I don’t think (though I could be wrong) that your beloved 2A was about these uses, and these uses are not why people keep guns in the nightstand, the glove compartment or even the inside pocket – can we get that far together?

            If you will simply concede that the fundamental use of guns is to kill, maim and injure other humans, then I think we can penetrate to the real point in all of this, which you yourself raise, in saying: “you don’t trust yourself or other people with guns”.

            Spot on, Box! You apparently believe that (almost) every citizen should be able to judge when it is right to kill, maim and injure other humans. A typical case is the one to which Jones drew attention with his link (the old man in his driveway – oh, and I never got an answer in that sub-thread either). I do not have this belief. I guess that’s really all we’re arguing about, isn’t it?

            The American stance here (legs slightly apart, hands twitching above holsters) is one big reason (and I’m generalizing for effect here, but there is substance, believe me) that American culture is held in a kind of horrified awe, by so many other world cultures. Yes, there are John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, in every American bedroom, ready to do in the baddies. If the effects weren’t so tragic, it would be the kind of thing you’d see on a Monty Python skit.

            I know these images and ideas do not sit well in the American psyche. I apologize if the passion of my belief has made me bad company at times. But I do want to get across the other side of the argument, to some here who seem (please forgive me) a little simple.

          • Peterscabies, you remind me a lot of Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coultor, Rev. Wright, etc. a bunch of nuts who think they speak for the majority and assert themselves in such a way as to control the real majority by misguiding the powers that be into believing that there is a problem where none exists!

  62. I’m from Canada and very impressed with some of the very knowlegeable and accurate comments left on this post. The right to bear “arms” in the US is called the “5th ammendment”. Recently there was a motion passed which allowed all 50 states to possess firearms legally. Having the right to over throw an undesireable government is giving the rights to the people

    • A very pleasant post. I just want to correct you on the fact that the Right own guns is the 2nd amendment not the 5th. It is also commonly stated that the first amendment is the right to free speech and without the 2nd amendment it would not be protected.

  63. we have all these fire power for defense against red commie bastards!!

    do they have meat cleavers in glass display at Wal Mart in China?

  64. Shit, the gun debate is nauseating enough in the US, now the people are bringing this topic on Chinese related forums.

    If you live in the US where guns are allowed, good for you. If you live in Iraq where the US/Iraqi government have tried to outlaw guns, too bad.

    For the Chinese people, the good news is that the gun lobby have not infiltrated the Chinese government yet.

    • Er, what use would a gun lobby have in China, dearie?

      Stepping back, for one moment, from who is pro-gun-violence and who is against it, the one common denominator noticeable from reading through this entire thread is the almost universal correlation between pro-gun-violence posts and ignorance of history, politics, logic and grammar.

      Balancing that, the gun-toters are strong on parroting, empty slogans and stale thinking.

      Material here for a Soc. Sci. doctoral thesis, but basically, I suppose, if you’re ignorant, uneducated and dimly aware that you may not be playing with a full deck, then better keep a gun close by, to compensate?

      • PeterScatterBrain, who the hell is PRO GUN VIOLENCE? Are you always this moronic and arbitrary in your stupid comments, or only when protected by the anonimity of the Intardwebs??

        There is a world of difference between being pro-gun and being pro-gun-violence. Much the smae way there is a world of difference between pro-women and being pro-women-violence.

        Just because you are supportive of wormen doesn’t mean youare supportive of women’s violence, either for or against them.

        You sir, are a typical tignorant git that hides bhind the anonimity of the IntardWebs and spews absolute tripe – I would like to see you try debate face to face on a public VIDEO forum your pointless, factless and baseless ignorant anti-gun rhetoric.

        Again, just in case your open mouth breathing is affecting your reading ability, there are people who are PRO-GUN, as in they support the freedom to manufacture, sell, buy and use guns as they see fit WITHIN IN THE LAWS OF A FREE SOCIETY. In other words, the guns cannot and should not be used as tools of violence any more so than bats, knives, chairs, bottles, fists, doors, windows, tables, pool cues, pens or telephone books can and have been used as tools of violence.

        I am just going to hazard a guess here, but you probably are also an obama supporter.

        • Whats wrong with Obama?

        • @RC45 – I’ve managed to read your post, despite all the new words. [I'm guessing you are not a tignorant wormen.] Not much substance, so the reply is easy.

          Although you can be violent with a wet noodle, of course, all the objects you mentioned do indeed have uses other than for committing inter-personal violence. All have legitimate uses for individuals alone, or interacting with other humans.

          However, this is not the case with guns. (As above, in unanswered debate with other chumps like you, let’s abstract from Olympic competitions, killing animals, etc.) When people store guns in their homes and cars, or carry them about their person when leaving home – pray what use have they for the guns other than violence? Do tell, I’m fascinated.

          Again, in case you can’t grasp it – all your objects have well-known purposes that have nothing to do with violence. But, when only interpersonal interactions are considered, WHAT ELSE IS A GUN FOR BUT TO PERPETRATE VIOLENCE?

          • However, this is not the case with guns. (As above, in unanswered debate with other chumps like you, let’s abstract from Olympic competitions, killing animals, etc.) When people store guns in their homes and cars, or carry them about their person when leaving home – pray what use have they for the guns other than violence? Do tell, I’m fascinated.

            You say “let’s”. But why should anyone concede your point? Simply writing “let’s” doesn’t let you off the hook. There are recreational uses for these weapons.

            Having said that, I’m not a recreational gun owner. For me, the primary use is to prevent violence or property crime against me and mine, in fraught situations when seconds count, but the cops are only an hour away (if they show up at all). And in the real world, with real criminals who rob, maim or kill because it’s more entertaining or less strenuous than working, it takes the threat of violence or actual violence to prevent them from having their way with the victim. Fortunately, a growing number of states are beginning enact Castle Law protections to prevent individuals who kill or injure criminals – in the course of protecting themselves or their property – from either being prosecuted by local law enforcement or sued by the perps for damages.

          • Want to discuss the story Jones’ link pointed to, because it is such an excellent test case for us (since it’s middle-of-the-road – not too egregious on either side). No more insults. I apologize for my emotional responses to what I see as wrong stances in life. Let’s try and reason this out, from our opposite sides of the barricades. Please?

            Yes, it seems the old guy is the aggrieved party, that the neighbors are right to laud him as their hero, that the Hispanic gents are career-criminal scum, and that we should all cheer and feel good that one of those scoundrels got shot in the face, or head. Ah, if only they’d both got killed…. But, is it really that way?

            Should an 82 year-old man (or you, or I) really be judge, jury and, if he deems it necessary, executioner over two young men stealing his trailer? Maybe they have young children and loving wives? Maybe, their next time in the slam, one of them would have a massive change of heart, and start counseling inner-city youth, or become a priest? Don’t sneer too long, it’s happened, and it’s not even rare.

            What if the old guy just stayed inside until they’d gone, then called the police and the insurance company (your trailer is insured against theft, right?)? If he really insists on being an activist (which, apparently, he did), why not go out and observe the license plates, even shoot out all the tires, then go back in and call the cops? [Personally, I wouldn’t attempt such things (especially over my trailer) unless I was darn sure they didn’t have a gun, and wouldn’t simply step out of their cab and let me have it.] But that last little bit’s not relevant to the main issue, which is:

            Are we sure that, as a society, we have it right, when we say, not just to 82 year-old men (and almost every other adult): “If there is the slightest invasion of your person, family or property, no matter how inconsequential, feel free to do whatever you like to the villains, including taking random pot-shots at them with your personal gun.”?

            Where is our sense of proportion? Isn’t this why we have spent hundreds of years building up judicial processes, with due deliberation? True, the results of the latter are not invariably satisfying, but aren’t they better than going back to allowing everyone to decide, all by themselves, the fate of alleged bad buys?

            “Just saying”, as you delightfully literate chaps now put it. I am not one of those who’d go easy on the Hispanic gents, once they’d got caught. In my country, they’d work until they’d recompensed everyone for the trailer, the judicial process and a bit besides. But shooting them in the face over it? Wow. Such is the US of good ol’ A.

          • Oh, Jonesy, I didn’t mean to sneer or condescend. Frozen there in the headlights, firing in the general direction of those who have wronged you, it seems you have slightly lost the sense of humor you normally display when it is you dishing out the comedy.

            Could it be that the old man confronted the thieves by positioning himself in front of (or close to the path of) the getaway truck, just as they were attempting to leave? Might he have even raised his weapon threateningly? We do not know for sure. But if this was the case, perhaps the driver, hastening to escape, gunned the motor and used his skill to swerve, and barely avoided running the old man down. At that point, the raised gun is fired in the general direction of the heads showing in the cab…

            Jones, what earthly difference does it make whether the shooter aimed coldly at the passenger’s face, or just took his best shot at the cab? No sneering here, but I hope, for his sake, you are not the man’s attorney. “Well, your honor, you see he didn’t mean to hit the defendant in the face, he was just firing in his general direction.” Yeah, that’s going to impress the jury, and the judge, too, I would think.

            Good to know that you’d also take a pot shot at someone stealing your trailer. After all, a human life is not worth much in relation to your trailer.

            I admit I was hoping for a response with a little more substance, but I’m not holding my breath.

          • CRACKPOT ON THE INTERTUBE. IMMINENT DEATH OF CHINASMACK PREDICTED. NEWS AT 11.

            Dear Peter,

            What do you REALLY have against guns and pornography? What is behind this deep rooted desire to trollerize the Chinese intertubes with your ad hominem attacks and basic logical fallacies?

            I am seriously considering buying a gun to protect my right to pornography from people like you.

          • Jones – apology if I misinterpreted your intention. I see nothing in your response that answers the basic “substance” in mine.

            Why do you feel that the old man should have the right, guaranteed in US law (not now, but in future, perhaps) to emerge from his home, with a gun, while someone is stealing his trailer, put himself in harm’s way by standing in front of the getaway truck, and then shoot at the villains, in fact shooting one of them (possibly killing him, even if not actually so)?
            To someone civilized, this sounds like a Western, or some other kind of TV program, not real life.

            Please answer the question of substance, and cut down on the personal remarks. Thanks.

          • “To someone civilized, this sounds like a Western, or some other kind of TV program, not real life.”

            “Please answer the question of substance, and cut down on the personal remarks. Thanks.”

            You are insinuating that you represent civilized society? And that nobody else here might also be able to? You are attacking people directly and indirectly and then asking people to cut down on personal remarks?

            Seriously, let me sum up your entire argument in five words:

            “I am a condescending asshat.”

          • Jones – passing over your first 3 paragraphs, with respect. No one will argue with: “he has a right to protect his property….they do not have a right to steal his property.” If the thieves are really never prosecuted, it sounds like something has gone very wrong with the usual system of justice.

            You originally posted the link to this story in the perspective of “Castle Law”. I think it is fair to say you were soliciting sympathy (if not shock and outrage) on behalf of the gunman, in this case.

            So the question reduces, it seems, to whether someone who has gone well out of his way to put his life in danger (apparently by standing close to the departing truck, or even placing himself in its likely path), may legitimately retaliate against the fleeing criminals, by shooting directly at them.

            If someone invades your home, and threatens you with deadly force, then it seems hard to argue that you have no right to defend yourself appropriately, perhaps even killing the assailant on the spot. However, the case you posted seems very far from this situation. I must admit I do find it lcomforting that the US authorities (so far) apparently support this interpretation.

          • The misguided urban youths who decided to bash in my brains one evening heartily agree with Petey: guns only perpetuate violence!

            Why, guns are such violent entities that the evil mind-control rays emanating from my pistol caused those innocent fellows to tail me and my companion for a couple of blocks, then hop out of their car with baseball bats and start swinging.

            It was probably the gun’s powerful sense of self-preservation that caused it to switch off those mind-control rays and restore those youths’ peaceful natures as soon as I pulled it from its holster.

            I would have asked those nice young men why they no longer wanted to beat me to death for the few dollars in my wallet, but for some reason they were too busy running away?

          • Cosantoir –yes, ideal scenario when the good guys have the superior threat. What if one, or more, of the nice young men had also then pulled out guns? Almost enough to make you think, isn’t it?

            Interesting about the mind-control rays – sounds almost as if you are perceiving a mutual attraction between you and the nice young men, at that time.

  65. Funny how this gun rights vs gun control debate has morphed into Chinese forums. Its like flogging a dead horse debate. Of course its enshrined in the US constitution the right to bear arms and defend yourself.

    Gun control advocates are always trying to move the goal posts higher so there are better checks on gun consumption and the NRA (national rifle association) with deep pockets and enormous clout always trying to roll them back.

  66. Its amazing to me as an American that you all can put up with that bullshit.I ll give you a clue, its not about owning a gun,its about the right to choose. I have 3 kids and about to have 4.What kind of government can tell you how many kids you can have?

  67. now wait a second…

    why is it that so many people claim that the population would drop if guns were introduced into china? I thought that China actually wants population control…

    • Hello all,

      I’m a teacher in America and was a teacher in China as well. There are a lot of similarities, and differences, in both countries regarding guns that I would like to share with those who are interested:

      Similarities:

      A) There were cases in both school systems where students brought guns to school. Many of those students were abused children and had uncles named Paul, or something similar in China: (男子名)保罗. Those children often had hard times adjusting to listening to men with soft and seductive voices.

      B) Guns in both instances were not loaded. The reason for this, according to students, was because a loaded gun will only get them in more trouble. I guess killing kids wasn’t what they wanted to do, instead they wanted to scare students and staff into bowing down and begging for mercy; which in all cases happened. It was actually quite amusing.

      C) In both cases, the kids were zipperheads and negros. Those ethnicities seem to enjoy reeking havoc within in the school systems; not only with their lack of learning the English language but with their undeniable odors and scents.

      D) In China, the kids that had the guns had purchased them by road merchants who also sold bottled water called Zzij. I never tried it, but they said it was a salty water that made them crazy enough to shoot kids. In America, the kids were drinking Bud Light; obviously drunk. Coincidence?

      Differences:

      A) The kids that had the guns in China were dressed up as ninjas and looked the part quite well. I believed that they were ninjas. Though they had guns instead of swords, I thought that they were a new form of ninja that had taken over the countryside. Maybe I was wrong…maybe I wasn’t.

      B) The kids in America that had the guns were completely scared of monsters. They kept yelling “Monster Rain!!” and disappearing for a few minutes before returning to their terrorist acts. It was something that I’m still trying to figure out, as it was quite scary…especially if there really was monsters falling from the sky.

      That’s all that I can share at the moment, I hope that helps bring some insight into the whole thing…crazy how these kids are these days.

  68. Well, lets shop for some girls/wife at the supermarket next time…

  69. To me, an american living in Chicago which recently had its many decades old ban of citizens owning guns declared illegal by our highest court I find this post and its comments interesting. A city where two blocks west from our current leader’s real home there are street gangs fighting with guns almost every night. I don’t know why anyone would think that criminals would obey laws in the first place – criminals are by their nature such. There are no WalMarts in our entire city, the trade unions are influential and prohibit such – meaning the poor don’t have economical places to shop much less actually work for legal pay. Mao says political power derives from the barrel of a gun. The rules the US operate under have beyond its basic constitution, the right and responsibility of each and every citizen to own and carry guns. I am not criticizing the PRC and think it is up to each peoples to develop their own form of governance they can live under. And I also think that reasonable civilized people don’t want to kill other people for no good reason. There are only a few areas in the US that still mistakenly prohibit guns, and all the other regions that allow for responsible citizen rights actually saw a decrease in crime. A well armed society is a polite and civilized society.

  70. The right to own guns in America is not given to us by our government. It is a recognized right that is given to us by the Creator and it is protected FROM the government. Our constitution restricts what our government can do to us.

    Our founders knew that tyranny must always be able to be resisted. As well, they recognized that everyone has a natural right to defend themselves. That’s why the Constitution of the USA protects our right to be armed.

    To those that think your crime and death rate would go up if you had guns, i must tell you that the opposite is true. Criminals prefer unarmed victims. Once criminals have to fear whether or not their victim might be able to fight back, the crime rate goes down. Not up.

  71. Mei Guo Jia You!

    • mi
      meiguoren have their own problems. The US government want to spend money they don’t have, while making china’s workers suffer by making what they produce more expensive in the US, and making US citizens suffer by making chinese goods more expensive in the US. But this is off topic, duibuxi.

  72. I LOVE GUNS!!! I own several firearms. I usually go to the Nevada desert to fire off my illegal submachine gun. I went to Russia in 1997, 1998 & 2000 when I discovered the AK-47. Some Russian guy showed me the AK and we went out back to the forest and shot some rounds off. I came back to US and got some high powered guns, not AK’s.

    My favorites are HK-Heckler & Koch, Glock 19, and Walther PPK.
    I can buy a new Walther for about $500 dollars. Pretty cheap insurance against niggers and wetbacks as well as other lowlife dirt bags in America. I highly recommend using it as needed. Life is short, you don’t need to make it any shorter by becoming a victim.

  73. It is true — a lot of Americans have guns. Some people use them for hunting deer and other animals during a short hunting season. Gang members in the cities usually own guns which are generally illegal. Other people in the cities keep a handgun in the house because to defend themselves if a criminal tries to steal from their house at night. Many men are interested in guns, and owning one makes them feel strong.

    The gun-owners’ political lobby is so strong it is not possible to make guns illegal outside of a few cities like New York and DC. And just a short while ago, the highest court for the first time that the constitution gives individual people, not just state governments, the right to own guns.

    Pictures like the one in Wal-Mart may make it seem like everyone in America would be going around shooting each other. This is not so. It is true that vIolent crime in America is higer than China, but it is still rare and not a part of everyday life.

    I live in a poor part of Baltimore, Maryland, which is known as a dangerous city, but am not worried about criminals. I would prefer NOT to own a gun than have a dangerous weapon lying in a drawer every day.

  74. Those pictures are almost 4 years old. Walmart stopped selling guns in 2007.

    • Not so. Just came back from the local Walmart, saw displays exactly like the ones in the photo.

      • Hmm, Do you live in the south bc up here I have never seen a gun display like this in any store. Hell the state I live has just been found under Federal court to violate the amendment to draw arms. And believe me, the politicians where I live are all thugs that usually get their way. So its really hard to believe you actually saw this. I call BS.

  75. Some actually got it. With private possession of firearms those who would exploit you are forced to stop doing so. This is the very basis of American freedom. Without that those in power were able to take everything you owned, even your wife and children, jail you at any time.
    Private possession of firearms changed ALL of that.

    Those in the US who want to prevent private possession of firearms merely wish to control others. It is completely about power and control, having virtually nothing to do with safety. Does one really think that our elected representatives truly care whether the average American is safe? Of course not. They care only about their own safety and ability to project their power on the rest of us, exactly why we have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in the first place.

    It is also interesting to see so many who do not trust themselves or others with firearms. What do you think that chinese who immigrate to the United States do? Certainly they buy firearms but they are not out massacring one another.

  76. It’s incredible to me that so many are still so ignorant of their most basic right.

    It’s also incredibly sad and evil, an intentional evil by those who would enslave the world.

    Don’t understand? Start here:

    http://willowtown.com/promo/quotes.htm

  77. When our country was young our Founders wrote a new constitution. Some feared the power this document would give the government so they demanded a Bill of Rights that would force the government to acknowledge our natural born rights, the most basic of which is to fight back against and kill those who would further enslave us.

    Part of the Bill of Rights, which is based upon our most basic right, is the Second Amendment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Amendment

  78. To my knowledge many rural Wal Marts still carry guns and ammunition. It may partly be based on the local market for such. They also have to unfortunately comply with our evil gun laws that were passed in the 60s.

    Many in this country are still ignorant of their most basic right and too pacified to exercise it. That’s why there are so many victims whenever a mentally ill or criminal person shoots a lot of people in a ‘gun free zone.’

    See this page:

    http://willowtown.com/reality/blacksburg.htm

  79. In England they banned most types of guns and their crime rate shot up. Instead of killing those who sought to disarm them as they should have done, the English stupidly surrendered their weapons. Now they are basically slaves.

    See this page:

    http://willowtown.com/reality/britsinsane.htm

  80. Here in America we have been winning a slow war against our most basic right in our governments and our court systems, but we still have a long way to go:

    http://www.willowtown.com/promo/blogclmnlongway.htm

    Also see my blog for more info on this ongoing war which will probably result in blood conflict because our domestic enemies are not going to just throw up their hands and quit:

    http://willowtown.com/promo/blogfp.htm

  81. Let me clear this up;

    We Americans have the right to bear arms so we can overthrow the government if it becomes authoritarian, totalitarian, or autocratic etc. etc. This is mandated in our constitution. Because of this guns are readily available, although certain types of guns are unavailable depending on which state you live in.

    However the reason why guns are illegal in almost every country is the fact that their governments are afraid of revolutions ESPECIALLY China. The U.S. is one of the few nations that is confident they could quell a civil insurrection if it was ever to occur even with an armed populous, that is why the “Second Amendment” was never repealed or expunged.

    • 250 ( er bai wu )

      As an american chinese person I regret my fellow citizens’ country bumpkin comment.

      • Who you calling country bumpkin? What I said is true! Read the second amendment. We citizens have the right to overthrow a tyrannical government should it arise. And yes most governments of the world really are afraid of its own citizens, the U.S. is an exception.

        For the record I don’t own any guns however I have nothing against them.

        • 250
          I know from the 2nd and the entire Constitution of the US (and don’t agree with some recent Amendments but live under it all). I and assume you are a USA citizen (its sorta obvious). You may very well have the ‘right’ to ‘overthrow a tyrannical government’ but if you don’t even own any guns in the first place, how can you possibly assert your rights? Oh, sure and you might be the US “tank guy” with your shopping bags, but somehow I doubt it. Modern nations have tanks among other things. I seriously doubt should you go up against such in the US they would exhibit the politeness the northern monkeys did in beijing.

          • Monkeys? You wanna get into that argument?

            The question isn’t “how can you assert your rights?” because it comes down to choice in the first place. You can choose to own a gun, it isn’t mandated that you must. Just like you can choose to overthrow the tyrannical gov’t as it also isn’t mandated that you do so. Rights are freedoms to choose, not mandates. Moreover, should he decide to carry his shopping bags and stand in front of the tanks, they’d most definitely stop, though its not to say they’d leave you standing there, just like Tank Man. Someone came, grabbed him, took him away, and he disappeared into history… same as if any of us did it in the US.

  82. LOL. A chinese guy with a black chick.

    That would be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway!

    Cocktail weeniesan

    We buy guns so we dont become victims!

    Fact.

    • China’s turn will come, the people will figure it out and there will be a new pastime come to China called (dancing in the air ).
      those in power will learn the new dance at the end of a rope.

      why do i own weapons because i can and i want to, i could use a couple more Chinese Norinco AK rifles.
      does it not seem odd that a American can own a Chinese AK but you would be put in prison for many years if caught with one. think people remove your chains and enjoy freedom.

  83. In the US, there are sporting goods stores that carry guns and ammunition. There are also dozens of gun shows each year scattered all over the nation. They are huge affairs with many thousands of firearms on open display for sale.

    Where I live it is legal to shoot in my back yard. We also have many shooting ranges to go to.

    I had at least one gun all of my life, since I was 10 years old. I now have many for different reasons. It is the way we were raised.

  84. 可以显示中文吗?

  85. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution, written about 1787 states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The intent was to assure that the people possessed the bulk of domestic military power. The Militia is defined as males between 17 and 45 excepting some officials and regular military. The primary purpose is to create a huge reserve of citizen firepower so the Militia can be called to duty if needed. Things like hunting and self defense were simply regarded as givens. The revolutionaries wanted to do whatever possible to preserve a republic based on rule of law, and not on rule of man. Despite the claims of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao, man is not a socialist creature by nature. Socialism requires intense state oppression. The Second Amendment is therefore anti-socialist and pro individual rights.

  86. You guys only saw part of what can be sold. Not everywhere in USA can guns be sold in this manner. There are a lot of gun regulation. So it’s not as easy as it seem or reported. For example: all states require a background check on potential gun purchaser before a gun permit can be issued. And even when those who have gun permits, they can’t just simply carry guns and show them whenever they want. People can call police on them and may lead to potential arrest. Rifles for hunting can be purchased by adults, but simply just taking them out on the streets might lead to an arrest.

  87. People in America have the right to own guns to prevent the Govt from becoming much like the China Govt. If they do they can simply over throw the Govt. The thing a dictator fears the most is the truth. That’s why the Chinese Govt suppresses almost anything that can put it in a negative light. You mess with the Chinese Govt your jailed and or killed.
    It’s a truthful fact; there is no room for debate. If you disagree then you are uninformed and succumbed to the brain washing of the Govt. I like China, I love most of it’s people. It’s a shame we have to be to scared to get rid of this Govt

    • Oh you by pissing on China and Chinese has forgotten the numerous youth shot dead on the street of US cities (mostly black). I once has the misfortune of driving pass Los Angeles east side with a white person beside me. He was so scared he duck his head below the window. This is the result of the right to own gun. Why don’t you look at yourself before you criticize others. Look at the tea party movement in US. Quite a fiasco of anti-black. These people misused democracy and freedom of speech. Why don’t the people in US get rid of your corrupted democracy system. Treat fellow human as human and learn to love human live. Stop the killing and brutality in the middle east immediately. The Arabs has a right to live a peaceful life as well. Small band of Arabs kill 3000 in New York. You people end up torturing, hurting and killing one million in the Middle East. Being human in other part of the world receive much less compassion and love form the Americans than animals in the US. How much you know about China and Chinese. Have you been to China town? Most China town in US are depressed slump as the democratic US does not want to show the Chinese in good light. So tea party movement is just being American.

      • raysimlee, your comment has got to be the most ignorant moronic comment I have ever read on the interwebs since I first logged on in 1991.

        I guess you are ignoring the black, latino and other non-white Tea Party supporters.

        Those black youths shot dead on the streets are all shot with illegal guns – in other words those folks with criminal records are not permitted to buy or posess weapons. They obtain them by criminal means – and do this even in areas where guns can not be bought or sold.

        You sir are by far the dumbest sonofabitch to ever disgrace a keyboard.

        And lot fewer than a million mudslimes where killed since 9/11 – a lot less,but yo uknow what? That’s what happens when a people attack in the name of their sick cult like religion, they get the shit kicked out of them.

        I am a “new American” – only been here 15 years, but boy is it great to live in a free country where rights are inalienable and not by virtue of government.

        Sounds like you are jealous of the freedom citizens of the USA enjoy.

      • @raysimlee

        If China was attacked by terrorists I am sure your government would react just the same.

  88. In order to understand why America sells guns like this, you need to understand American history. Originally, the right for every colonial to have a gun was not just a right but a neccessity. The frontiers were a dangerous place, and the location of many wars. With the French and English colonials all fighting for territories and American Indian raid parties, self defense was crucial. Many colonials were far removed from many city centers, and could not count on their colony provide security, and it was up to the colonial himself to protect his land, family, and future.
    But the most important aspect of “The right to bar arms” stems from the reasons why the original colonials left England and other European countries, GOVERNMENT OPPRESSION. You see, when you refer to potential problems of “social unrest”, your looking at it with a slightly skewed perspective, mostly the product of your country’s governmental influence, especially if you are Chinese. In America, our country and government is designed to be immune from ‘social unrest’ because it is the people the control the government. If there is something the people dont like, we vote and change it.
    However, the biggest reason why we support the “Right to bare arms” is due to the possible case where the government stops doing what the people want it to do. In this scenario, the people have the power to take back control. To put it more simply: THE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THEIR GOVERNMENTS, THE GOVERNMENTS SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE. This is the essence of freedom.
    Lasty, Today’s America is much to civilized to ever come to this revolutionary concept, so this law reflects two main functions of the American ideals of Freedom: 1. To remind us who actually holds the power in the government, the people, and, 2. It still exists today because it is the second amendment to the Constitution of America, in which the sole function of the Constitution is give rights to its citizens, not take them away.

    • Stunned by the freshness of your material. Lucky you didn’t burden yourself with the task of reading the existing posts, or we’d have missed your insights.

      Your concept of the “Right to bare arms” is revolutionary, but could bankrupt more cotton manufacturers, don’t you think?

      I would never argue with your concept of the “Right to bar arms”. Sigmund’s having a good chuckle over that one.

    • @USisFree You said, “Today’s America is much to civilized to ever come to this revolutionary concept…” We are not “much to[sic] civilized”; instead, we have been pandered to, lied to, and conditioned to be little more than sheep that stand on two legs.

      • The aspect that most motivated the radical revolutionaries of 1776-1781, was just how close we came to losing the revolution. We were fighting the best army and navy in the world, that of the British Army. Were it not for the militia with their long range rifles, the Continental Army regulars would have been crushed very early. That nearly happened anyway. When Washington quartered the army at Valley Forge he was down to about 2500 soldiers. A daring raid on an elite German mercenary unit at Trenton resulted in a victory. His army grew by 400% almost immediately. Most of these volunteers were militia who required intense training such as provided by the German general, von Stuben. As the war progressed the Continental Army was defeated in most battles. The earliest major victory was at Saratoga, where rifle armed militia caused serious casualties to the British. Remembering this, the revolutionaries created the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution which guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms, in order that there can be a militia. There are those who favor increased central government power and see the 2nd Amendment as a threat to that end. The Japanese WW2 admiral, Yamamoto is reputed to have said. “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.” The admiral did not particularly fear the US Army… he feared the American people. That has not changed. Google: The Appleseed Project.

  89. When the government fears the people, there is Liberty! When the people fear the government, there is Tyranny. The strongest reason
    for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort, to protect themselves against Tyranny In Government!
    -Thomas Jefferson

  90. It wolud seem that most peole here like most people not from America have a confused notion of what American gun rights are about or how the legal gun trade works

    • OK. Consider this. In some major cities firearms ownership either is or was severely restricted. 2 recent 2nd Amendment Supreme Court cases determined that all Americans, everywhere in the US, have the right to possess firearms. In my state a recent demonstration of the political power of the people (as opposed to the government) manifests by open carry of pistols. Holstered and never brandished in a threatening manner. But… out in the open. Over the last few decades the number of states authorizing, by legislation, the right to a license to carry concealed pistols has gone from about 10 to about 45 out of 50. What is ignored by socialist gun control advocates is that those cities that have the strictest gun control laws have the highest rate of violent crimes. Many violent felons in a prison will tell you what they fear most in their “careers” is not the police, but armed private citizens.
      The adage is: “Only free men are armed, all else are slaves.”

      • Another adage is: “An armed society, is a polite society.” Those who are violent, disrespectful of private property rights, and/or extremely rude, run a high risk of developing sudden acute lead poisoning.

  91. I am actually quite amazed at the intelligent debate here…thanks for that. I am also quite amazed/concerned at how quickly some turn to name calling and debate in an irrational way.

    Simple fact of life is that there will always be those with an extreme viewpoint who react in an emotional, violent or negative way to those with a difference of opinion. I believe we can all pick those people out pretty easily here.

    While the majority of those types are more than likely armchair warriors, brave only on the computer. There are absolutely those type of people in the US and in the world who would gladly attempt to impose their will on you, affecting individual liberties, elected processes (will of the people) or with criminal intent. Lets not argue about what should be…this is just the way it is.

    What force does the typical person have to defend themselves in an atypical situation? Well I guess it depends on where you live in the world.

    Here, I am thankful that I have the ability to protect myself and my family from whatever threats occur and that I am able to live where tyranny of governments can be kept at bay, at least in part, by a well armed populace and a military that swears its oath (as I did) to the Constitution and not to a leader.

    “I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foriegn and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    One could argue that with such an oath, a well armed populace is not needed. While over my years as a military Officer I did grow to trust military leadership, I also know that they are human… and not going to be there when the wolf is at my door instead of at/off the shores or in DC.

    After this vigorous debate, perhaps we should leave gun ownership as an individual choice and not try impose our will on others.

    Is that not the true essence of the Constitution? To those of you who would try to impose your will upon me and mine?

    Molon Labe

  92. As an American, I am moved by your comments concerning my country and our RIGHT to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees this right. We are allowed to purchase and possess arms as we choose. There are laws governing this. No one with a criminal history may possess a firearm in the United States. There are waiting periods, supposedly for someone in a rage has sufficient time to rethink a violent act. We are allowed, in most cases to have traditional bolt-action and lever-action rifles all calibers, military too. Semiautomatic military rifles, AR-15s, AK-47S, Uzis, Thompsons and others. There are a few states who restrict these. The Second Amendment is the teeth in our Constitution. We, the people ARE the government. The military answers to a civilian. The president of the United States is the highest military official. His title is Commander-in-Chief, therefore the military is controlled by the civilian government. The United States , it’s government and people are unique in the world’s landscape. We wish to be friendly and aid those who need help and warn those who would wish us harm. we are a much better friend than an adversary. It is unfortunate in 1993 then, President Bill Clinton by executive order, banned all firearm imports from China. The SKS and AK-47 rifles produced by Norinco and Poly-Technologies were some of the best in the world. They have been missed.

    • Norinco’s weapons, while I’m not sure if they are available for import after the Assault Weapons Ban ended, were and still are available for sale in the US. They just couldn’t import any new ones.

  93. China isn’t the only country that has no gun laws…

  94. The right to bear arms has wreaked havoc on the bear population in the US.

  95. well not everyone agrees that the 2nd amendment was the best thing ever. Might had been good at the time, but not so good these days

  96. China has no gun laws?

    If only I would have known! I could have taught all of my classes with a bandolier and my trusty six-shooters.

  97. The problem isn’t the guns, it’s that there isn’t enough land for the bears. At least we didn’t kill off the animal population like in China. It’s a real problem there. People don’t really talk about it but depopulating the local animal life is pretty common in China. Entire species can end up on the dinner table…but at least it’s used for food and not trophies(in general). I do agree though, in the US, less killing bears please. If you have to hunt bear, give them sidearms so the bears have a fighting chance. No long rifles allowed :)
    Those would be real bragging rights…if they survive lol.
    On the other hand, we really need to kill more deer. The population is out of control here in the East Coast.

  98. I think some people missed the pun here

  99. The guns are a check on the gov’t as it was intended to be. Think the Chinese officials would be as corrupt as they are if people were allowed guns? Maybe the nutcases would target the officials instead of the schoolchildren….

  100. And the lack of affordable meat.

  101. There was one country in Europe that allowed weapons though, right? Finland, if I remember well.

  102. and how’s your violent crime rate doing over there….last time I check in merry old england it was not so good….maybe citizens being able to defend themselves would help a bit….

  103. Shhhhh! Someone wanted to keep a lid on that, y’know.

  104. I would like a Norinco AK, but you can only get them second hand. I’d also like a Chinese broomhandle Mauser. Fat chance of that ever happening.

  105. The biggest exporter of military hardware in the world are the USA. Grow up.

  106. every govt in the damn freaking world is corrupt. try being in a high position and sit on millions of cash… do you honestly thing you can resist not getting even 3-5 bucks for coffee?

    that being said.. china is fairing better than the US which is drowning in its own debt. this is the difference between china and the USA.. freaking state of california has a 1 trillion deficit.. is thats not a result of corruption then i dont know what is.

  107. well worded. i would not trust a kid with a gun, let alone one with a pencil to write perfectly. Might even apply to many adults too.

  108. It’s cause we’re fucking crazy, couple years ago there was an article on digg that estimated that 50% of Americans had a dangerous mental disorder and where unaware of it.

  109. Alain actually took all of those measurements himself, his throat is lined like the door of a convenience store.

  110. I know, I was responding to Frijoles Refritos.

  111. I was never a big fan of boar arms…I’m glad I don’t have the right to boar arms.

  112. Personally, I can’t bear puns, so I was trying to ignore it.

  113. You might do better not to imply that the guy with the gun looks bad…

  114. Merinas van der Lubbe

    LOOK bad??? bwAAAhahahaaa… Like we care what “people outside of the US” think about how we arm ourselves.

    I’ll tell you what we DO care about: OBAMA makes us look bad to the whole *world*.

    And weak!

    And stupid!!

  115. No. I think it makes us look like a free country in which citizens have the right to buy weapons to defend themselves both from criminals and, if ever necessary, the government.

    I don’t think it is any coincidence that China cannot afford to give its people this right.

  116. The real truth is that you have to undergo a federal felony background check, through the NICS computer (National Instant Check System). This computer system is run and monitored by the FBI, and can tell instantly if the purchaser is a felon or not. Felons are not allowed to purchase guns (with very few minor exceptions).

    This background check only takes a few minutes and assures that criminals can’t get guns through any legal means.

    How is that supposed to make ME look bad?

  117. The shotgun, bow rules are usually safety issues. A rifle shot can travel really far compared to a bow or shotgun. In Pennsylvania, they draw a line. North of a certain interstate highway rifles are allowed, south of that they are not. This is because of the higher population density in the southern part of the state, thus a higher chance of a missed rifle shot hitting someone or something.

  118. I’m guessing you’ve never bought a handgun in Texas. Prior to getting my CHL (concealed handgun license) the process went like this:

    1) Pick out the gun
    2) Show my driver’s license
    3) Hand the dealer my money
    4) Fill out one form (ATF’s Form 4473)
    5) Dealer calls NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System), about a minute later they say it’s clean and he hands me the case with my gun

    In total, less than 5 minutes. Now that I have my CHL I am allowed to skip the NICS background check since I have undergone a much more through check. The process is now:

    1) Pick out gun
    2) Show my CHL
    3) Hand the dealer my money
    4) Fill out one form (ATF’s Form 4473)
    5) The dealer hands me the case with my gun

  119. California (in general) = state of whiners, liberals, and worst case example of socialism in the US. Too much of the hispanic population affecting CA politics. People have to realize that you can’t spend what you don’t have. The Governator realizes this but his constituents refuse to give up all the freebies they’ve been getting.

    US officials can of course be corrupt but nowhere near the level of Chinese officials or in such numbers. I do agree though that the US has a problem with debt….the country and the people. Easy credit’s a curse. Credit isn’t so easy to come by in China. It’s arguable whether China really is doing better than the US. Too many perspectives to view it from.

  120. I live in california. I hate it. Hideous women, faggots, mexican takeover, etc.

  121. looks like ball gargler woke up from his nap and needs attention

  122. They do now. If you can prove that you have the finances to support a larger household. If you live in areas where the local population has gone stagnant …like Guangzhou (migrants don’t count). If your a farmer in a rural area and your one child was a daughter….. If your not a gov’t official but plain rich and can bribe your way in to getting legal ID’s for your kids (my wife’s aunt had 3 kids, bribed officials, paid poor folks to sign off on them as their own, and later bribed more officials to change official documentation…she married in to a rich family)

    I might be a bit mistaken. China’s laws change so fast. There are some other exceptions….Many localized areas or cities of China now have a population deficit that is having some rather detrimental effects on their local area. A lot of areas are adjusting the one child law to compensate with the blessings of the head honchos in Beijing.

  123. Switzerland, where every man of military age has to keep an assault rifle in his home, is a pretty unusual case, don’t you think?

  124. “Much like they would if guns were illegal in the first place. Harder to get and more expensive if illegal, but all the more effective as they wouldn’t have to expect the victim to be armed.”

    True, criminals in countries with strict controls on guns can still obtain guns if they know the right people and are willing to spend enough money. However, in the UK at least they usually don’t bother using a gun because they don’t think they have to, they know that using a gun will increase their sentences if caught, and because they don’t want to spend the money. It’s also worth mentioning that many of the illegal guns in the UK are smuggled from the US, lax gun laws in the US do not only affect that country.

  125. Merinas van der Lubbe

    Yeah, the Chinese will eat anything, it’s sad. Comes from centuries of intermittent famine. They do have animal protection agencies despite all that, though.

    On the bright side, though… Maybe we could get them to eat Obama next time he goes over there?! (He *must* be good for *something*!)

  126. I don’t care about gun control, but that is a really stupid analogy. You can easily live your life without a gun in the house.

  127. If you loved your children you would figure out a way to live your life without knives either.

  128. Fear and violence is strife is the USA. Thats how so many people die to gunfire compared to other countries. USA is a violence worshipping country, like Old Rome. Yet at the same time, they abhor sexuality, which is strange, because they seem to like to use the word fuck every day 100 times for no reason.

  129. don’t be so nice, this guy is an idiot

  130. You are stupid and uneducated as to be expected. Btw., a boar, especially when wounded or rounded up, may easily maim or kill a man. Hunting rules advise never to enter the thicket where a boar is to be expected without a proper 9mm or so handgun. You would never get a rifle ready against an attacking boar near to you. The problem with hunters frequently is that they are lacking experience and underestimate risks. Carrying a gun doesn’t make you Superman, but many feel exactly that way. That’s why I do not like the notion that idiots like those posting here have access to something requiring diligence and responsibility like firearms do. As to gun laws in Germany, they are more restrictive than in the US, especially with handguns and carrying firearms in the public, be it openly or concealed. Beneath that, it is not particularly hard to own guns in Germany. Yet, there are relatively strict duties how to lock them up.

  131. You mean “checked” as in “didn’t check”?

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita

    Check all the other crime stats, the picture doesn’t get that much better. The truth is that crime statistics in the US and the UK are comparable in most areas (we have more burglaries, you have more rapes, we have more assaults, etc.) although these crime statistics are not comparing like with like – there are differing definitions as to what constitutes an assault in different jurisdictions, and the reporting rate is different.

    The only area in which this does not seem to be the case is that of homicide, which the US has far more of. I wonder why that could be . . .

  132. Jones, try harder. You are simply too pathetic. I am reading the brainless nonsense you are defecating here with more than enough of diligence and due disgust. So do not try to explain me what is funny and what is not. I chose to ignore what you confuse with humor. And I know a bit more about as well hunting as firearms than you, and your comment was simply idiotic and had nothing to do with puns about bears and bearing arms. Severe hunting accidents with boars usually have few or nothing to do with marksmanship and the ability of using a rifle in game. They nearly always occur in the thicket where a wounded or rounded up animal is hiding.

    There, the handgun is the only adequate weapon, and scoring a hit or several onto the quite massive animal does not require extreme marksmanship, only cold blood. And the 9mm (.38), typically an automatic like Walther, Beretta or similar is usually preferred over bigger calibers, especially over revolvers due to higher firing speed and less recoil, bullets are deforming and doing considerable damage when hitting. Animals when hit usually abort an attack or at least are stopped (if one is lucky). And it is advisable not to go on boars without some good hounds.

    But I consider all that bit wasted on you and your ZB attitude.

  133. It is fascinating how verbose an immature kiddy becomes when he frantically tries to show expertise on things he does not understand anything about. As to calibers, all these definitions have to be considered with the weapon or weapon class in question and your assertion “.38 is more than 9mm” is simply bogus and shows your absolute ignorance of handgun technology manufacturing and standards history (I assume you are one of the yanks who end up with the finger in their asshole when it comes to finding their place on the globus). And the impact of a bullet hit highly depends on the ammo used. BTW, I won’t tell you what ZB is – I am sure the educated readers have understood. And me, I do not play online games, that is your world.
    Get a life and an education.

  134. Jones, there is no waiting period. If you pass the NICS background check you get your gun.

    The FBI NICS background check will validate if you are a felon, a violant spose or if the various law enforcement departments have deemed you not fit for firearm ownership.

    And to the rest of you miscreants and yahoos – in the Unites States people own (and sometimes carry) guns because they are FREE to do this. Period. Freedom. You silly people need to stop building your opinion of the United States from TV shows and movies – they are simply false.

    I know, I immigrated to the USA 15 years ago, and the country is not what is depicted in the movies. I own and enjoy shooting guns for fun, for sport and carry one because I am free and allowed to.

    Hell, my 12 year old daughter shots rifle, shotgun and pistol.

    Only those with an immature psyche have an unnatural and unhealthy fear of guns. What better measure of a free society than if its FREE citizens may choose to be armed or not.

  135. You missed the rest of the quote:

    “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”

  136. I bought one of my handguns in Oct ’09 and another earlier this year.

    Your brother probably had to wait because NICS returned a “delay” response instead of coming back clear. This happens to some people, if the dealer doesn’t get a response within 3 days the sale can proceed. Sometimes they get a call back in a few hours/days saying it can proceed.

  137. The UK has more assaults and burglaries because killing the perps is not a chargeable offense in a large number of American states, whereas it can be a capital offense in the UK (leading to a life term). Home invasion in the UK or even beating someone senseless carries few consequences in the UK, whereas in the US, a good Samaritan can shoot or stab the perp to death in many US states without negative legal consequence. The US has more homicides because 12% of its population is black, compared to 2% in the UK. That 12% commits 2/3 of the murders in the US. The US homicide rate (per 100K of each race) is 10 to 1 for black perps vs white ones.

  138. Could we have more homicides because we have more people? Nah, just because the U.K would fit inside Arizona doesn’t meen there is a population difference. Oh by the way, in the U.K. if a burglar hits several houses in the same street in one night, the police count that as ONE crime. Rather convenient when discussing crime rates.

  139. Won’t diss on someone who’s first language doesn’t appear to be English, but:

    - A “capital offence” is one you receive the death penalty for. Needless to say, the UK doesn’t have the death penalty, and therefore doesn’t have capital offences.

    - Self defence or defence of another is still a justification for killing. If you kill someone in justified self-defence or defence of another in the UK you will be just as exempt from prosecution as you would in the United States.

    - Thank you for the mindless racism. It may not have crossed your mind that the urban poor are those most likely to commit murder, and American blacks are more likely to be poor and live in the inner city than their white brethren due to fewer opportunities, higher rates of drug addiction, inadequate policing etc. etc.? Skin colour by itself has nothing to do with it.

  140. Won’t diss on someone who’s first language doesn’t appear to be English, but:

    - A “capital offence” is one you receive the death penalty for. Needless to say, the UK doesn’t have the death penalty, and therefore doesn’t have capital offences.

    Equally, I can’t criticize someone whose confident, yet inadequate grasp of English is in-born (can’t help being born both lazy and arrogant, can you?) despite all the advantages of geography, but stateside, there are plenty of non-death penalty states where capital crimes are automatically commuted to life imprisonment.

    Thank you for the mindless racism. It may not have crossed your mind that the urban poor are those most likely to commit murder, and American blacks are more likely to be poor and live in the inner city than their white brethren due to fewer opportunities, higher rates of drug addiction, inadequate policing etc. etc.? Skin colour by itself has nothing to do with it.

    Actually, thank you for your mindless political correctness. The reality is that in America, a so-called poor person is wealthier than a lot of middle-class Chinese. He drives a car. He has air conditioning (heating and cooling). He has all the basic appliances taken for granted in America (microwave oven, vacuum cleaner, refrigerator, cooking range). He spends $200 a person on food (thanks to food stamps) every month, in a country where a pound of beef costs $1.99, a pound of chicken costs $0.99, a pound of potatoes costs $0.50 and a pound of cabbage costs $0.50. You don’t see middle class Chinese out there committing murder or carrying out street level robberies, do you? Bottom line, criminal activity in the welfare states of the West cannot be excused by poverty. What motivates it isn’t hunger – it’s greed, envy and sheer malice. And no amount of name-calling will change the fact that South Africa and Jamaica have far more restrictive gun laws than America, yet have murder rates of 7 to 10 times the US rate.

  141. I thought about it. Then, after extensive thought, I decided that ChinaSmack needs a filtering system for comments so I don’t have to read your tripe. I think a slashdot-style filtering system would be awesome.

  142. You re a drone brother

  143. Please get a history lesson. Without the 1st and 2nd amendments, our country would not be the greatest in the history of the world.

  144. He who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserves neither liberty nor safety–Benjamin Franklin

  145. I can’t speak for the UK, but here in America, legal guns are actually much more expensive than illegal ones and in many places, it’s easier to get an illegal gun as you bypass whatever restrictions are in place.

    You say most criminals in the UK don’t use guns because they don’t think they need them. For some reason that doesn’t make me feel better. I for one would not want to live in a place where criminals have the notion that victimizing citizens is so easy they don’t even need a gun to do it. I’d prefer for our criminals to take pause with the thought that breaking into my home or anyone else’s has a high likelyhood of ending their life prematurely.

    You suggest that lax gun laws here are responsible for firearms being smuggled into the UK? I can assure you there are far easier places to smuggle a gun from. Just try taking a firearm on a plane or a passenger ship here. You’re chances are orders of magnitude easier smuggling a weapon out of Africa or Mexico or some 3rd world country.

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