America Sells Arms to Taiwan, Chinese Netizen Reactions

From China.com:

About America Selling Arms to Taiwan

America is a country where politics serve economics. Actually, Americans don’t have any broad political goals. Their behavior, to phrase it colloquially, appears to be very realist; of course, it’s because they do things serving their own interest that it seems realist.

To a businessperson, profit is prestige. Without profit you have no prestige, and it is like this for America, their prestige comes from their profit. To a businessperson, even if it’s just a small trickle of profit it’s important. Even if this tiny profit will cause them to offend others, generally they will still take it, and restore relations with the offended parties later, if they think it’s worth it. America is also like this.

For Americans, it serves great national interest to make things go poorly between [Mainland] China and Taiwan. In the context of modern global security, possibly no one would dare to be fighting battles and ultimately having a [military] showdown, so struggles take the bloodless forms of attempting to change culture, politics, economics, etc. [Struggles also manifest through] trying to keep one’s own country stable while trying to make the opposing nation unstable. In chaos there is profit, and perhaps in chaos the opposition can be undermined. This is just like the way the US treated the Soviet Union.

America is selling arms to Taiwan again. As far as we’re concerned, this is old, stinking news; what is America’s meaning [in doing this]?

The US is stirring up new conflict between the two shores [i.e., China and Taiwan]. [America is saying,] you can talk, but talking is only talking, you can’t get too close and definitely can’t unify, because that wouldn’t be in the best interests of us Americans.

It’s been sixty years, Taiwan is a painful spot that is difficult for our nation to hide; for many reasons, the Taiwan problem has never been resolved. Now we’ve come to the best time ever for cross-strait relations, but the Americans’ behavior has once cast a dark shadow [over the progress], can we just allow this to take its course?

In truth, I personally feel that America can sell as many weapons to Taiwan as it wants, all that it takes is for us to be willing and those weapons are ours. Didn’t America once give us [China] many weapons via Chiang Kai-Shek? The Nationalist Party has never been able to accomplish anything great, to say nothing of the Democratic Progressive Party. Those in current Taiwanese political circles aren’t qualified politicians , they’re just mediocre people who’ve taken on politics as a profession, what can they ever change? Look at that Chen Shuibian. Are you independent? Isn’t that your political ideology? Not only is [Taiwan] not independent, he’s eaten up an enormous sum of the Taiwanese people’s money!

So, Taiwan has no talented administrators; Americans selling them weapons is useless. America cannot stop the unification of Taiwan. When the unification happens will be decided by China. We don’t fear war, [but] we hope to use great sincerity to peacefully unify Taiwan. After all, the ‘brothers’ on either side [of the strait] are not strangers. If Taiwan is incited by the Americans, and ignores the feelings of the people and goes against common sense, then the weapons will have to come out.

Taiwan, don’t naively think that you can divide up the family, this family you cannot separate from!

America, don’t naively think that you can split up China, you don’t have the skill. Moreover, don’t think that the Chinese people won’t bear a grudge, the Chinese are the best in the world at bearing grudges. If you don’t fear retribution, keep making trouble, if you don’t, it would be so boring!

I think we can retaliate against America!

Netizen comments from China.com:

袖里乾坤:

Ding, support!

看风向吧:

America has already learned the lesson: making endless concessions to China can only further intensify it, make it refuse democracy, and become enemies with the world. When weighing the balance between democracy and economy, Americans finally decided that the value of democracy was much greater than the value of the economy! Otherwise, they would have avoided FDR’s serious postwar mistake with China! Now we’ve come to the time of restoring the original spirit!

北冥教主 [in response to the above comment]:

American democracy isn’t valuable, it isn’t real democracy!

hygry:

Taiwan’s doing it as insurance, America’s doing it for money. [In Taiwan] they have permanent property ownership rights, [if they] come back it changes to seventy-year use rights, and [houses] can be torn down at any time. Consider it, what would you think?

正压邪:

In the past thirty years, China has already become a country that’s only looking for money.

一叶戏秋风:

I personally feel that America can sell as many weapons to Taiwan as it wants, all that it takes is for us to be willing and those weapons are ours.

9494 [sounds like "exactly, exactly" in Mandarin]

农村老实人:

Well said.

芦根:

America, let’s see how many years you can keep being crazy!

wlq0412:

This comment has been deleted.

hechufeixue:

Chairman Mao was a great leader, and everyone remembers him fondly, but today’s politicians? When they step down, who will remember them fondly?

Netizen comments on a news story about the arms sales on Netease:

网易四川攀枝花网友:

Everyone must rethink this, if you were Taiwanese, would you want river crabs?

网易辽宁大连网友:

We don’t need to fear America selling arms to Taiwan, as soon as a war started these advanced weapons would be quickly consumed by our lower-quality but numerous weapons and many soldiers. But I can’t bear to see my own people injured and murdered; as to Taiwan, I’m not sure if I love it or hate it.

网易广东珠海网友:

An enterprise seeking profit, what’s wrong with that?

网易浙江宁波网友:

These arms are all defensive weapons, for example right now, they’re selling Taiwan patriot [defensive missiles], not F-16 [fighter jets].

网易浙江杭州网友:

A dog says loudly, America is our hope. A pig hears and laughs. The dog doesn’t understand and asks why did you laugh. The pig says, your head must have been slammed in a door, because you sound like an ass.

网易广东深圳网友 [in response to the comment above]:

America is humanity’s hope. The guy above me isn’t even as good as a dog.

网易河北石家庄网友:

As long as America exists, the world cannot be peaceful.

网易重庆渝中网友 [in response to the comment above]:

I only know that without America, the whole world would be chaotic.

This post was translated by C. Custer, editor of the China news, translation, and analysis blog ChinaGeeks.

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  1. @Jones,

    Just look at all the U.S. military bases around the world and the size of its military industrial complexe and expenditures. Don’t tell me is because they wanted world peace (instead of pieces) by militerizing and policing the world. Haven’t we all learn the constant war and minor conflicts (ie toppling foreign leaders) the U.S. has in its history? Westerner learn to adopt “survival of the fitest” mentality through Dawinian Theory of Evolution since that time. Western notion of “born with a sin” while Chinese philosophy and believes that a man born with an innocent mind is enought to prove to me China needs to weary Western intentions.

  2. The West might not risk taking a path of war with China now but that doesn’t mean it won’t constantly trying to destabalizes and splitting or preventing reunification of China: Tibet, Xinjiang & Taiwan. I’m pretty sure British, American and Japanese are just as paranoi about China’s plotting for vengean somewhere in the future timeline.

  3. “Don’t reply without an answer to this.”? I’m sorry, but I don’t have to answer to your demand, I have my “freedom” and say what I want. I’m here to debates and learn different point of views, I don’t get PERSONAL by calling other’s are “idiot”, I don’t get angry, what’s the point?

    Everybody know American is has one of the strongest religious view and believes in the world. That is why the Founding Father separate religion from politic afraiding the majority of religious American will disrupt and corrupt the government. No wonder the majority of American hate atheist-running China.

  4. Well, where should I began…, too many to mention. Why don’t you asked the British, the American inherited dirty politics from them. The minutes Mao celebrate the founding of modern China in 1949, the CIA executed a coup with the Tibitian for indepentant.

    How come the American didn’t prevents the Chiang Kai’s Nationalist from “immigranting” and taking over Taiwan? Obviously they’re Chinese. The American government stress that “there can only be one China” imply Taiwan in their foreign policy yet maintain the status quo in the mean time hoping one day to give back Taiwan to China once China become a democratic country.

  5. Tristan: most Americans don’t like the PRC government. They have good opinions about the Chinese people. Also, any support the US gave Jiang Kai-Shek has to be taken in the context of the Cold War. We had a red scare. Anyone who wasn’t “communist” was our friend, and we kept ugly company back then. No politician could cut him off financially without losing the next election. Most American officials hated Jiang, even though the country backed him.

  6. Thanks for enlighten me but I still believe in my own view toward the world. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the Communist but to me, CCP has done a great job in prospering China for the last 30 years without Mao, and the best system in maintaining China from separation.

    Need to head out for a good “night” out…

  7. Well maybe China will think twice about getting chummy with Iran. The US isn’t dividing China and Taiwan, China is unifying the US and Taiwan. The Taiwanese government wants to stay out of China, in order to keep it that way you have to get some means of protection. In this case the response by the US was “Will that be cash or credit?”

    Maybe Taiwan would like China if they didn’t persecute anyone with a differing view. Maybe Taiwan would like China if it recognized it as a separate territory. Maybe Taiwan would like China if all its netizens stop musing about invading Taiwan. And now it won’t happen since Taiwan is the new owner of more than 100 Patriot missiles and a bunch of others.

  8. India has better army than china.

  9. China does have some pretty females…

  10. hi great chinese i swear i greatly proud of your brave and ur great guts ..i just wanna say USa will be fucked off and terminated by the great chinese i am not chinese but i do love china’boldness the region only who is able to stop the white ass of americans.not like the pupets and hypocrites india ..long life to china long life to china and chinese ..fruitful future..Your supporter arabic king..and to the idiots Nikhilesh who the hell u say indian has stronger army shut ur trap india is just stupid countery totally depended on USA and the west support u have this software braging about it is not sustainable u have only cheap menpowe that is it ..shut ur ass aboout china or else they will hack ur ass and injure it…LOll…..Long life china..

  11. To Nikhilesh it is damn foolishness for india to compete China u just lend ur ears to the fawningly to the USA and the west and if u got a chance u can compete pak and afg..only this ur limits..keep in ur mind ya foolish indians USA will never allow u to be superpower…LOL.

  12. Has anyone answered the question “Why do the Chinese want Taiwan?” Is is just pride? If it is, then you are Nazis.

    • It’s not just pride. It’s a very deeply ingrained belief that the Chinese people should be unified.
      5000 years of recorded history can attest that unification under one nation/dynasty is a regarded very highly, almost essential to the people and culture. This is one of the things Confucius preached back then.

  13. This is the SAME DEAL as China trading weapons to Sudan (which funds the Janjaweed and the genocide in Darfur) for their oil. VBD.

  14. i don’t understand why u need to find someone to blame. if the taiwanese wanted to join china, they would – simple. what right does any man have to determine the fate of another? and about responsibilty, china doesnt want to take any responsibility for the global financial crisis with respect to flooding western markets with underpriced goods, but yet they think just cause the u.s. sells stuff that they bear total responsibility.

  15. Have PRC and KMT both build robots that’ll battle it out to decide the outcome.

  16. Nah, you dont want to start a war unnecessarily. I mean over Taiwan? Starting World War III over such a small island? If it has to be done, then it wont be over Taiwan, it would just be an excuse, there would be a much bigger agenda behind it. Its like US invading Iraq, is it really over weapons of mass destruction or over oil? The toppling of Suharto’s regime, is it really because the students saw through his decades old corruption behaviour – which was plainly obvious? Or was it because he started to wring free of US hold thus denying US plenty of investment opportunity?

  17. Quite a few people have already mentioned it. But this sort of back and forth banter over Taiwan between the US and China is mostly theatricals, a two country PR stunt if you will. Both powers sure as fuck don’t want the Taiwan Strait to cause WW3, and little Taiwan ESPECIALLY doesn’t want that since it would be their asshole that would be devastated from “It’s Fuck Time!”.

    The US and China know they have to put on a show for their own respective reputations and populace. The United States wants to show people they still have an influence in East Asia, whether it be a military presence in Japan and S-korea, or selling weapons to Taiwan. In the eyes of the US populace they are seen as “helping” democratic david survive against communist goliath. On the Chinese side, a lot of mainlanders wish to see Taiwan eventually return to the fold, and view any foreign incursion as insulting. So the Chinese foreign minister will scold the Americans and give them the finger publicly.

    The truth of the matter is, everyone likes the current status quo. As long as Taiwan doesn’t insult China by declaring independence, China will be content at the moment with Taiwanese investments to the mainland. Militarily, Taiwan cannot do shit to the Mainland, and would be viciously raped in a real invasion. If you see what the bulk of this defense package includes, it’s just newer F-16′s (block 50-52 level), PAC3′s and Apache’s. China could eat those up and shit them out. There is no way China is at all “threatened” by this as they would go through that defense package like a lubed dick through a giant vagina.

    On the US’s side, this is more of a benefit to Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, etc and all those defense companies, as they find themselves with lucrative contracts worth billions. All the more sweeter for them since Taiwan can only buy from the US due to Chinese pressure internationally, making their deals exclusive.

  18. The best thing to ever come out of China is
    it’sbeautiful women..otherwise…nothing is
    there…peace.

  19. i blame the taiwanese govt. it seems like they have learned nothing from history. if the kmt and ccp would join forces in ww2, maybe china would not get its ass kicked so bad. now its the same thing. taiwan still fighting with ccp to make it easier for foreigners to attack.

  20. This article sounds like the propaganda published by the CCP. The author talks about who America’s foreign policy and actions is all about profit. Profit now (even if it is a little profit), repair damage later. Americans is about money, money, money. I find it interesting that some Chinese can criticism but be such hypocrites without examining one’s own actions.

    US caring only about money? What about China’s foreign policy in regards to Sudan and Iran. Do they really care about the Sudanese or Iranian people or are they in the business of protecting it’s self interest of securing national resources (oil, copper, etc.) and turning a blind eye. How is China selling arms to Iran not interfering in Iran’s affairs and sovereignty?

    China also strong-arms countries that disagree with them with economic and political tactics or just changes international regulations as it wishes to serve China’s national interest. Examples:

    -China cancels high-level talks and high profile contracts with France after the Olympic torch protests.

    -China accuses (4) Australian nationals working for Rio Tinto because the company would not lower it’s iron ore prices sold to China. The ore was set at the same price as those sold to other countries like Japan, India, and S. Korea but China wanted Rio Tinto to sell it to them cheaper.

    -Chinese strong arms tiny nation of Palau and Switzerland for agreeing to take Uighurs.

    -When is China going to live up to it’s WTO commitments? Oh wait, it’s not in their national interest so let’s make a mockery of their rules. We want the benefit of other countries opening up their markets for China’s good but we will impose all kinds of bull-shit rules to make it hard for other to do business in China so we can protect our domestic industries. China joined the WTO over 10 years ago– where is the promise to open your financial markets? What about the proposal that governmental procurements go to firms developing “indigenous Chinese technology” (i.e. Chinese firms)? Your government cries “protectionism” foul when other countries propose that their stimulus money goes to creating jobs in their homeland but when the CCP has “Buy China” clauses, they don’t say a word.

    Finally, if the people of Taiwan are truly your “brothers”, treat them as such. I am all for reunification between Taiwan and China if the people of Taiwan so chooses. It is their choice not China’s. In a marriage, you cannot force one spouse to stay together is they do not want to. If one spouse is serious about a divorce, the other spouse cannot force them to stay at gunpoint. Point being, if your sincere, then remove the missiles pointed at Taiwan’s head and show them (by action) how wonderful China is and welcome them back in the family.

    Your criticisms are welcome, but I will defend my belief vigorously.

  21. well said, steep.. that’s china all over. they make the rules up as they go and change them at any time to suit themselves. i hope google does actually pull out and set an example for other foreign companies.

  22. i’m amazed at how fast the world is hating china. africans hate them, the middle eastern people hate them, south americans hate them, europeans hate them, americans hate them and ofcourse, all other asians hate them. we already knew the chinese were thieves and liars, and you can’t turn your back on them for a second. now they are showing themselves to be big, cunt bullies on top of it all.

    • I believe that there are many dimension to why the world is threatened by China (hate is such a strong word, although there is evidence that the world is growingly opposing to China). During the rise of the US after WW2, the US imposed a challenge to the POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES of Communism (which resulted in the cold war with USSR. The countries that adopted Russia’s form of political ideologies and depended on Russia left threated by this idea of individual free speech, liberty, equal representation of its citizens, and democracy. Most of the world was not opposed to the US’s economic model of free markets in which after they saw how successful and it made the US the economic superpower that each slowly adopted the free market model. Again, the US’s rise was a challenge of political ideologies, which some countries adopt and some don’t.

      China currently is the biggest threat to the world’s way of life through their economy of scale. The Africans hate them because the ordinary African (not the rich warlords benefiting most from China’s money) feels that China is exploiting their natural resources and returning to a form of colonialism seen since the days of European dominance (extract abundant riches from colony, produce in motherland, export finished product back to motherland and colony country racks up huge debt, which they can only repay by selling more natural resources–see the vicious cycle). I think the Middle Eastern people are less opposed to China but are starting to because of their persecution of their Uighur brethren in Xinjiang (one of the al Quaeda sects have already proclaimed jihad on China). The Europeans and Americans hate them because of their threat to our economic growth. The US made a huge mistake in thinking that China’s reform to a free market would gradually democratize their people. We can see that in fact the opposite is true recently, which the government cracking down on dissidents and free press. So we expected that China would live up to their commitments and open their potential huge market (in which US companies bend backwards with setting up joint ventures, technology transfer, bogus regulations, etc.) but the access to their markets are less open because after we taught them everything, they open their own state-owned firms and give preferential treatment to those firms. The other Asian countries are suspicious of them because they now have a big bully in their backyard and because of their historical border challenges. Even many Taiwanese (not all) would rather relate to the Japanese culture than with their Chinese roots (sad but true). And because their currency is tied to the $$$, any weakness in the US $$ = weakness in the RMB, which affects the Vietnamese producers or the Singaporean manufacturer or the India mom and pop shop with cheap Chinese goods. There is a famous Chinese proverb (paraphrase)– “trust no one and you won’t get hurt”. They are suspicious of every country and therefore everyone is suspicious of them. Very few superpower countries in our history have as little or no allies as China. As you can see that events recently show that they are flexing their muscles for the detriment of the world (i.e. blocking sanctions against Iran, selling weapons to warlords in Sudan, the Copenhagen summit, the WTO, etc.)

      In regards to American companies pulling out of China, I think US companies need to rethink their China strategy long and hard and pull out if necessary. I favor FREE AND FAIR TRADE, but one-way free trade is bad for the US (regardless of the potential market illusions they may have). The US have been on the losing end of free-trade agreements in Asian for a long time but no president ever stands up and says enough. This was the case for Japan, South Korea, China, and I think we are heading down the same path in Vietnam. We build up their industries and economy with little or very short-term return. Yes, GM made a nice profit in China, but with the technology transfer and the things GM has to give up, will it be worth it in the long-run. There are already several spin-off of former Chinese GM employees setting up their own auto manufacturer in China wanted to export to N. America and the world. The US still holds the upper hand in technology and development (which the Chinese needs our expertise)– we need to rewrite the relationship in our favor. If they are not beneficial to US companies, leave China, return to the US to develop a much superior product and compete on the world market. If they shut us out of their market, we shut them out of ours. We may be left out of the Chinese market but the world will know that GM cars are much better than Chinese cars and buy the best product. The Chinese can continue to drive their inferior cars in their homeland.

      • Ok there Glenn Beck.

        • I actually voted for Obama but Glenn Beck has some very excellent points in regards to our national security. So thanks for the compliment (Just don’t call me Rush Mini-Me).

      • Way too much political kool-aid here.

        The reason why the world hates China is pretty simple: Jealousy and fear. Jealous because of China’s growth, and fear because China’s growth is quickly disapproving the fundamental ideology of Western democracies. It’s nothing new, Japan went through a similar kind of hate two decades ago although it’s a great ally of the US.

        I am not sure where you get your ideas from, but African nations dealing with China for the most part are also in favor of China, a lot more than the US and European nations.

        http://pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=24&group=5

        Middle eastern nations traditionally are neutral to China and their opinions have changed little. Arabs do not care about their own, Palestine is the perfect proof that Arabs don’t give a shit about each other. Turkey is the only nation whose views towards China has dropped dramatically since the Uighur news broke out, but people in Turkey would much prefer to be called part of EU than Mideast.

        The Asian nations are jealous of China but at the same time rely on China to boost their economy. China is the largest importer of goods for Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and pretty much the rest of Asia. Without China the “Asian dragons” would be in deep shit just like they did back in 1997. For all of the complaints about the China pegging the dollar, this was the single act which saved the entire Asian economy. In SE Asia Chinese expats control much of the economy although they are only tiny portion of the population. Of course, this just means more hate.

        Foreign capital will continue to poor into China because companies must expand and China represent their best opportunity. GM saw a 60% growth in China last year, GM’s next year forecast will depend more on China than elsewhere because far more people have bought GMs in China than the US. Without China, GM would be bankrupt a long time ago with ZERO possibility of a come-back because automobiles are already saturated in GM’s existing markets.

  23. it’s the gonna be the opium wars all over again. china skewing trade in their favor and thwarting any attempts to balance trade, until they got slapped in the back of the head by the brits and the french ^^ they have 5 million years of history and still haven’t learned a goddamned thing.

    • Brown and Sarkozy might shit themselves if they go to war with China. I don’t think the war would go awwwwwwwright for them this time around lol.

      Plus you say it like the Opium war was something to be proud of. Unless people in the UK like that part of history when their country acted like a giant drug pusher.

      Lol 5 million years of history.
      douche ^^

  24. Fuck I wrote a long ass response but the shitty site said it was spammy.

    Alright I have no Idea why you say the world hates China when you give examples of some Africans complaining and al qaeda. No shit al qaeda will call a jihad they will call jihad on their own mom ffs. What China is doing in Africa doesn’t even compare to European style colonialism. First of all Africa isn’t exactly a huge market for China to sell to compared to the West and Asia, and god knows Africa needs as much economic activity possible. The Deals China has with most African countries is to invest and develop local infrastructure (roads, schools, public facilites, communications), along with paying cash for resources such as oil and metals. Sounds more like trade than exploitation to me. Plus the Chinese have brought fuckloads of jobs to the impoverished areas by undertakin these projects. The Chinese may bring their own engineering teams, but only for planning and direction, the majority of the jobs are for Africans.
    You will always have the locals complaining about foreign involvement in any case, so just because you get news interviews from those guys that are grumpy about it doesn’t mean the entire country agrees with them, especially not when you’re bringing development and cash to places that need it.

    As for the Middle East, besides a shitty alqaeda example you really have no point. The protests for Xinjiang does not prove that the Middle East hates China or Chinese. A company like Saudi Aramco would just as likely hire a Chinese national for a senior petro engineer position as they would for an American or Canadian. Alongside those American, European, and Canadian work residential areas, there would also be alot of Chinese residential compounds beside them, and the Saudi’s treat all respectfully. I got family working over there and they face zero discrimination from the Saudi’s. Since alcohol is forbidden in that country, they drive all the way to Bahrain some days to chill out. Guess what? they get no hate there either.

    In fact the only non-equal thing about middle eastern countries, especially the Saudi’s and Emirates, is that the top cheese managerial positions are filled by locals, never by any foreigners. You will never see an American or Chinese in a managerial position at one of those big Saudi oil companies. That was just an example of some pro-west ME countries, if we talk about Iran, they basically love China. So is there Middle East hate For China? nahhh. They just hate Israel, followed closely by the United States.

    You would be wrong if you said China has not become more liberal and freer with the times. Alot of people on here criticizing the oppressiion in China can only compare with the standard of their own developed, first world home countries. If you were there decades ago you would agree that China has progressed ALOT in being more liberal and freer. I was there late 80′s early 90′s before my family moved out, and if you compare the progress that was made it is fucking awesome. There’s alot of dramatic news reports of how oppressive the PRC still is, but not alot of reports of how good it has become and where it is going from it’s shitty start.

  25. The currency manipulation is a very funny subject. I’m not an economist but my professor spent a fuck long time explaining this. ANY exporting country will undervalue their currency. The international free market will never hit perfect equilibrium, this is near impossible and alot of people would fucking starve if this was attempted. Undervaluing the currency is just another technique in the trade just like how slapping tariffs on things and jacking up interest rates are tools to regulate trade. China is the largest exporter of goods in the world so to the currency will obviously be undervalued.
    America did not go into a deficit from just a low value RMB, they went into deficit because of their own federal economic mismanagement. The latest recession is a good example of that. With that being said, the Chinese government is raising the value of the yuan, albeit in small increments to keep the world market stable. What some American politicians want (Let the Yuan rise to “normal levels”) is stupid. Doing this would rape the global economy asshole during a time where the world NEEDS stability. Even if the Yuan is raised, America would still be in a deficit, but things would get worse for them. Millions of people that rely on affordable goods would plunge below the poverty line and the standard of living of many first world countries would raise, probably even more than double. The only country that really detriments from an undervalued yuan in the long run is China, since it would be sitting on reserves of foreign currency that would be less in value over time. But the central bank is smarter than that and has been implementing policies to regulate that pile of foreign dollars.

  26. I dunno why you suggest that General Motors should pull out of China, when that was the only market that didn’t go into the red for them. I’m pretty sure that company likes to make money. Oh, as for technology, yeah the United States is a world leader, but so is Japan and Europe, and now China. A country can advance in technology by themselves you know. Stealing and Spying for tech makes up a small percentage of tech advancement, but a huge percentage of news media coverage. It would be impossible for China to advance the way it has soley on tech transfer. And regardless of what you think, China is up there in the ranks of top tier tech nations, not far behind the US, Japan, South korea, Western Europe. The biological research field is probably on par with the United States but behind that of Europe. And if we’re talking about defense related tech, China is already a top player up there with the United States Russia and Europe. Why do you think Europe is debating whether or not to lift it’s arms embargo? Because it’s become pointless as the Chinese defense tech has grown strong even without western assistance. And it’s not like China is isolated, as the Russian domestic defense tech was basically saved by the flow of Chinese cash following the collapse of the Soviet Union, and don’t play into the Stereotype that the Russians have shitty weapons. They make alot of the best systems out there. So that’s why the EU is thinking might as well lift the archaic ban and make some money. Also there were polls done recently in 2009 by PEW or some other institution that showed that the world held China in a more favorable light than the United States. So yeah, listen less to Glenn Beck, he makes absolutely no good fucking points.

    • Really Sin, you minimize the contributions that foreigners made to the Chinese economy, but the CCP gets it. It is called foreign investments and it has a long-history in China. VW started in China over 1978 and built-up and developed China’s auto industry. Boeing and Airbus’s presence in China helped develop China’s young aviation industry AVIC (as a matter of fact, Canada’s Bombadier is currently a joint-venture partner). All those fancy high-speed rail the Chinese are enjoying are produced locally in China but a decade of joint-venture with the French, Germans, and Japanese. It is that important to the development of the Chinese economy that the CCP is still to this day (where you claim that China is up there technologically with the US, Japan and Europe) requiring 51%-49% joint ventures with the Chinese firm holding majority. This goes with the development of the clean energy sector currently (if you don’t believe the Western media, go look at the Xinhua news articles). I never made the accusation that China’s undervalued currency was the sole source of America’s deficit or raising the RMB could fix America’s deficit problems (it was the US who overspent beyond our means and needs to be more financially responsible). However, if China is strong enough to develop without any help, then drop these requirements for joint-ventures and open up your markets for free trade. If China is strong enough and have enough ingenuity, then China’s corporations does not need the limitless resources of its state-backing. If the Chinese consumer does not buy American products, then it would be the result of the markets and not because of government intervention. GM did make money in China but 51% went to the Chinese. If the US government had those requirements in the US, the Chinese would be crying :protectionism”.

      Their biological research, while impressive in terms of recent advancements, come also through the help and resource of foreigners. The Chinese sent their best talented graduates to US, European, and Australian research universities to study and purse biological research. Then they recruit and lure them back home based on nationalism to bring glory to the “motherland”. If you don’t think this is happening, google Shi Yigong and Princton. I am not saying that the Chinese with their improved situation cannot make advancements for themselves, but it is obviously greatly aided much faster with the help of foreigners through their political policies.

      Again, I never made the claim about Russian. They are top-notch, especially in fighter jet design and missile design. However, do you really think that the Chinese developed all their advanced weapons by themselves. Wasn’t the Chinese a major purchaser of Russian MiGs in the 90s. The Chinese are good at taking apart someone else’s designs, studying them, and producing them cheaper and faster (maybe that is why they are so good at producing IPhone knock-offs). They advanced the design of Russian MiGs but that does not mean they developed the technology from start to finish.

      Some polls may have US’s favorability dropping and China’s rising but Pew also has China as the country most skeptical as a responsible world power.

      Again, no doubt that China is rising and it is good for its people. But to say that China does not need the world and this China vs. the world mentality is a little premature. If they are developing and strong enough, then be on the same playing field as the rest of the international community.

      • Your response is like a rebuttle to your own original post.
        I just went out to defend 4 things.
        1. The world doesn’t hate China
        2. The tech is able to compete with tech giants like japan and USA.
        3. The undervalued RMB isn’t a huge reason for US economic troubles.
        4. There has been good progress.

        In your own response you’ve already did a 180 on shit you said in the first post lol.

        That was what I was mainly arguing. As for technology the main point I made is that China is up there in the tech tree. America Europe Japan all contribute to each other’s tech and research knowledge so it’s no different from China’s case. They all have ventures with each other whether it be in electronics or defense. I’m just saying if the US decided to stop these ventures tomorrow, China will not plummet in R&D since the educational and technical foundation is already set. What you were referring to in your original post was that China’s was ridiculously inferior, you corrected it in your own rebuttle soooooo No long winded discussion here lol.

        • Going back and forth with Sin is alittle tiring. I don’t think we fully reads my responses and maybe we gets worked up whenever anyone mentions anything negative about China.

          1) The world doesn’t hate China. No where in my post does I mention hate. I ever specifically pointed out that “hate” is a strong word (meaning is would be an inappropriate word). But I did say that their is growing opposition to China. Why, because China’s rise is a threat to other country’s way of life. China talks about cooperation and the need for dialog in relations but their economic policies can negatively affect the world (not just the US). The Italians gets put out of business of their bread and butter shoes because of cheap Chinese imports. The Indians cannot make the steel nails because of Chinese imports. The Japanese cannot compete with steel rolled goods because Chinese’s flooding the market with overcapacity. China’s overcapacity in steel in larger than Japanese total annual output). In this world, it is not necessarily about military might or political ideological. It is about economics and the mighty $$. If we want world harmony and social stability (famous chinese phrases), it is not only for the Chinese and their interests. It must be shared by the world community and it is being threated economically by the Chinese right now.

          2)Yes, they will be able to compete in the future with tech giants. They have established a firm foundation with help from the foreigners. If the US pulls out, China IS NOT going to be in the tech dark ages. However, you never answered my question. If China is up there in the tech world, why do the government still require foreign firm to joint ventures with Chinese firms just to be able to have access to the Chinese market. Why can’t the success of Chinese products vs. foreign products be decided by the Chinese consumer?

          3) Yes, the RMB is not the sole reason for US economic troubles but is a contributor. If your products are undervalued, it still makes our same products more expensive. An analogy is like in sports, if team A beats team B, but team B gets an advantage by cheating (regardless how big or small the advantage is), it might not affect the outcome because Team A still won but cheating is cheating. If the star player on Team A gets hurt and loses, the main reason might be because they lost the most important player but it still does not negate the fact that the other team was cheating.

          4) Agreed, they have made good progress.

          • I ain’t going back and forth I was only rebutting the post you made right after that faggot johny-5. I got no problems with your responses after that as they were thoughtful, and even though I may disagree with some of the shit you said, it is a respectable point of view.

            I just had to say what I had to say after your first intial post. Or was that the second one? I dunno.

        • By the way, don’t think you are going back and forth with a white guy that know nothing about China. I am a Chinese American, my parents are Chinese, and my wife is Chinese from Beijing. I have been to China multiple times and grew up in an Chinese environment.

          • Likewise, don’t think you are going back and forth with a Chinese guy. As I am a young black male growing up in Long Beach California in a neighborhood full of SouthSide crips and Old Skoo G’s who just studied a thing or two about Chinese history and geopolitics??
            WESTSYYYYYD CRIP MOTHAFUCKA

            Please believe me >=(.

        • Sin,

          You just earned a few points in my book. If you truly are a young black brother in Long Beach, the fact that you are interested in debating about China is very respectable. And they fact that you felt that you had to defend another country’s integrity and culture is honorable. I can get down with that hommy. I studied alittle about ebonics and the black culture through my numerous black friends, my black girl-friend Shaynaynay and hours of the TV show Martin and Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (just kidding about the tv shows and the gf– now I’m being racist).

          That be said, you are not too far from my hometown “crib”. I am originally from So. Cal (my hood is in the O.C.–don’t think there are any cribs but lots of white preppies.

  27. That was for Steep

  28. this is really magic post, over one night, i feel i am back to cold war time, dame it!

  29. Bias article is bias.

  30. i love the spirit of chinese people. but seriously folks… do you think we can let 1.3 billion of you maniacs control southeast asia? look at the state of your country for average person. you’re not ready to be the big guy in asia yet. you people were given a free modern society to build out the last 30 years and you did nothing in return as a respect gesture for all that was given to you. in fact, you hate the very countries who helped you and itching to fight them in war. uh? what? what a shame. if only we could get you guys on the good guy side…man, the peace and prosperity that would come to the world. yeah yeah, sure, bush america was a bad moment in usa but you know down deep overall it’s got the right idea. don’t you think you owe it to the world to give thanks for the past 30 years. and don’t talk to me about gunpowder, printing press, compasses. ok…good job…but those where THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. america has visited every planet (pluto is a planet, damnit!) and the edge of the solar system while defeating germany, japan, russia (3 biggest evils in the world the last 70 years) while pulling you out of the mud mao created. seriously, how much money the last 30 years did america invest in china? trillions? in the 70s and 80s think about how much american mind power and money went directly into china and then caused china to explode in the 90s like crazy. do you ever stop to think how you went from bikes to beijing olympics in such a short time? look at all the business secrets you’ve gotten for free (or sometimes stole with spy network). your government sent spies all over america pretending to be accountants, lawyers, doctors, whatever. the very country that welcomed your people with open arms to let them learn and grow in freedom and freely share their knowledge with you…and you spy on them and hate them. wow. so that’s how you say “thanks, dudes!” in china? the military power we helped you build other nations would beg to have. taiwan dreams of a military that we helped you build. clinton gave you unbelievable military computer systems and secrets for basically a bowl of hot noodles and probably a couple of hot chinese women. you’re not the least bit thankful. clinton usually gets 100 hot woman and a lifetime supply of hot noodles for free deals like that. and you folks think you did this all yourself as if you invented the same things the world did 50 years ago. you’re running around jumping in the streets because you went into outer space. whaaat? don’t you get the history channel on satellite tv by now? america and russia raced into space 50 YEARS AGO using pencils, glue, and string. we have a businessman offering tourist flights into space that basically is better than your entire space program. it’s one friggin’ guy and you folks are going crazy because russia and america taught you how to go to space? america has this thing called a space shuttle that goes up into space about 7 times a year and circles the earth about 200 times a year…for the last 30 years. i’ve seen it in person. it’s true. it’s not science fiction. it’s considered an antique here. taxpayers don’t want to fund it anymore. they go “yawn…another successful space mission”. and you go nuts cause you circled the earth a couple times the same way russia and america sent monkeys and dogs into space? say WHAT?! well look how it is on the streets and on the farms for most people. there is poverty in america. there is NO poverty in america like poverty in china. you’re communists. taiwan = really good idea. communism = really bad idea that chinese people should be smart enough to shake off finally. that means all the money goes to communists leaders and their family and business friends. a billion people in china are poor compared with the rest of developed world. think about that. life sucks in china for most people BECAUSE of your government. DUH?! do you really want to be communists? shouldn’t you secretly be happy taiwan is safe from china? you can pretend in public that you hate taiwan but shouldn’t your brain tell you to support taiwan when you are all alone by yourself in front of a computer making comments on chinasmack? that’s like playing for the worst soccer team in history every year. don’t you want to join the real professional leagues? you think korea, vietnam, laos, thailand, philippines, malaysia, indonesia, india, australia, and all the rest want china controlling the show over there? you folks are finding it hard to keep yourselves together. are you nuts that you want to be the super power in asia instead of america? do you want the whole world to fall apart? think what havoc your government would bring to asia if you became all powerful over taiwan and all the other free nations there. don’t you get it…arming taiwan is GOOD. it’s defending a democracy and modern civilization against what communist china would do. it’s the difference between having a neighbor who helps you all the time so you help him instead of a neighbor that is always in your business and maybe takes a bribe so the government can take your house. you guys are the only ones protecting myanmar and north korea while being mad at taiwan. i mean, seriously. down deep inside, you know that’s wrong. right? that’s like hating the prettiest girl who happens to be the nicest too and loving the ugly angry girl who kicks you in the balls every day. that’s like choosing to vacation in siberia when it’s ice raining instead of going to thailand’s beaches for beach massages in the sun sipping fruity cocktails. that’s like being a pathetic gangster that other gangsters can’t respect because you’re protecting a pathetic low level gangster who doesn’t have a clue what they are doing. and you get mad at taiwan and usa who could be great biz partners and peaceful brothers to show you a way out of communist cartoon land? WHAAAATTTT?!!! nope…you choose to to defend the bad guys. why do you want to do that? why are you not standing up in public cheering every arms deal to taiwan? why are you not protesting with millions of people to demand human rights, if not for yourselves, then people of myanmar and north korea. why not welcome the dali lama back? the entire world would fall in love with you. even if you hate the dali lama and the entire world is wrong about him (yeah yeah…right…he’s a cia spy and terrorist like bin laden blah blah blah blah” says CCP tv cartoon) don’t you understand the concept of good publicity? i bang my hands on my head whenever i hear chinese talk like this with all this crazy communist nationalism. you could be soooooo good. you were a leading empire before you let crazy ass mao bring in crazy ass russian white man communism. don’t you get that? when are you people going to have your 1776, your berlin war, your nelson mendela…oh wait…you DID have it in 1989. google “student democracy movement”…oh wait…. you can’t. it’s NOT allowed. doh!!

  31. The Taiw.anese don’t want to be part of the PRC. Period. They’d like trade and good relations. The idea that they are a province of the PRC is BS, and we all know it (even Chinese nationalists can stop thrashing away under the desk now, let’s tell the truth for once here).

    As my Tai.wanese girlfriend said just before I left TW for China: “Be careful! China is a country I don’t like”.

    And all this praise for Chairman Mao is ironic. Mao advocated Tai.wanese independence – before Chiang Kai Shek went there, whereupon he suddenly decided it was “An inalienable part of the motherland since ancient times.” Just like the idea that T.ibet is part of China – it’s all a political manipulation because these regions are deemed militarily or economically vital to the PRC.

    China is not going to invade Taiw.an either, because the PRC is simply too socially disunited, and it would cause flare ups in Ti.bet and Xi.njiang, and the whole country would go to hell. China is already too big. It’s an empire trying to be a country. Just because you stationed a few hundred troops in a distant land hundreds of years ago doesn’t give you the right to colonise it today (although that’s exactly what has happened in T.ibet, and it will only be a short time before the next riot there, as nothing has been learned, and history books, newspapers and internet are full of lies and cover ups). It’s not Tai.wan or the rest of the world that needs to keep blocking information. It’s the PRC. We all know why, and it’s because the lies have to be controlled and maintained.

  32. Taiwan is just another dumping ground of the United States for sub-standard products. The merchandise traded in this case happened to be military arms. Nevertheless, these are out-dated military arms built on old technologies which the Americans themselves have discarded. The Americans knew too well the economic benefits it would derive from this deal. I do not see this as a threat to China security.

  33. I like the way Guobao and diwei and other Chinese the way they responded in in This Post but also i would like to tell them Theirr mind are so narrow and thinking capability is so poor and may be they are diffending something that they dont know.
    Taiwan bought weapons from US you are shouting and cyring like womens every where while no even a single chinsese who ready obtain negative impact of those weapons by now..So i would like them to read this

    “How is China involved in helping the Arab-dominated government kill its black African citizens? It buys about two-thirds of Sudan’s oil exports. About 70% of Sudan’s oil revenues go to its military, which is involved in the mass murders. Yet China’s involvement is not just indirect. China sells arms and aircraft to Sudan in a manner that is almost certainly in violation of the United Nations’s arms embargo. As important, Beijing has used its permanent seat on the Security Council to shield Khartoum from effective action by the international community. This has had the effect of continuing what the World terms “genocide.” As Darfur activists Mia Farrow and Ronan Farrow recently wrote, “Beijing is uniquely positioned to put a stop to the slaughter, yet they have so far been unabashed in their refusal to do so.”
    So if Beijing is responsible for the acts of the government in Khartoum — and it certainly is under the common understanding of that term —”
    Why dont you even one second or word shout for your own government to stop killing that is going on in Sudan by the heand of Chinese Government directly, Or the value of Chinese people is higher than Sudanese?
    So stupidy to Cry and Shout US selling weapons to Taiwan while you cant even talk to another Chinese about the way your government drives you with no any freedom of information.

  34. US and Taiwan deal arms so they can keep the Communists out.

    China is so lacking in human rights, who would wanna unify. China the world is watching your every move.

    And for all u USA haters.. U can honestly tell me that u dont own products or dig things like Iphones, Mac, HP, windows.. rap music, hollywood movies.. lakers, bulls…

    dont forget where all these came from… so dont be dissing USA, cuz u will be looking like a dumbass the next time u sport your NIKE Airforce Ones..

  35. Just forget for a few minutes that America might defend Taiwan and answer a few of these easy questions.

    1. Why would the Taiwanese ever want to trade their freedom for rule under a government where the people have no real voice?

    2. Why would the Taiwanese ever want to trade their freedom of press for rule under a government that censors the media?

    3. Why would the Taiwanese want to trade an Internet that is completely open for one where the government censors out everything that they deem might be something that would possibly cause another episode like the democratic uprising that was called the “June Fourth Movement”, the “June Fourth Incident” or colloquially, simply “Six-four” (Chinese: 六四; pinyin: Liù-Sì; June 4)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

    in 1989 in Tiananmen Square, in Beijing?

    (I am sure the censors will automatically block this URL)

    4. If the Taiwanese were to be interested in re-joining Mainland China, what would make this appealing to them?

    Please respond. I would very much like to hear your comments. Even though I am an American, I have studied this situation all of my life. I have also lived in many parts of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Germany and Italy and have traveled to over 60 different countries in my life, including China and really appreciate each and every different perspective and consider all of them when I ask these questions.

    Best Wishes,
    Richard

  36. When they cannot invade (like they did to Iraq), they sell second rate arms then provoke and disturb the peace.

  37. boy are we americans stupid
    we have free trade now
    we kick out regulation
    now we have very few jobs
    only the rich are doing good
    how can we have jobs if every thing is made every were else

  38. Do you guys/gals even know the history of why weapons are being sold to Taiwan? There is a very interesting political story behind it that dates back to the seventies.

  39. I’m sure Taiwan isn’t very interested in unification with China after people in China who had relatives in Taiwan were sent to labour camps during the revolution!

  40. china is nothing but a little brother to the united states. Only reason why china has money is because china cheats. the Chinese yen is so under valued is a joke. how can you compete. Big countries act like big countries. England, Germany, united states, Italy, France. China is a rip off country .when you do business in china you have to give up your patten protection. how can someone compete when you can make the same product 80 percent cheaper. talk about human rights, and you expect Chinese military system to be anything useful in war . china knows how to make things cheap. and like their products their junk cant wait for the united states to have a war with china.. that would put that country back in place

  41. the USA is selling arms to Taiwan because the Taiwanese are terrified of you demented, primitive, power-hungry chinks and the Taiwanese have a right to defend themselves.

  42. “….the Chinese are the best in the world at bearing grudges.”

    Yes we are. XD

  43. When Taiwan has amassed more than enough WMDs even the UN will help China to attack that terrorist country.

    And the US had a nice Chinese g/f but more like a bitch in Asia.

  44. I am American and will always stand by Taiwan’s independence from China. There is a huge difference between China and Taiwan. If Taiwan ever did need more soldiers, I would sign up to help defend their country in a heartbeat. Taiwan has stood by America many years now as a faithful partner and we will shall do the same.

  45. Great Post, but I am a supporter of China living in India.
    I am supporting china only because I am annoyed of government..

  46. If America and China worked together, rather than in competition, imagine the great things that can be achieved for all future generations of the world. I would love the day that we can call the Chinese true friends ( a partnership of brothers and sisters). From an American.

  47. Its pretty obvious that Taiwan doesn’t want to be under mainland China rule much the same as Ireland didn’t want to be under British rule.
    As an independant country they can buy arms from whoever they like, its not as if there any real big threat to the mainland is it? The purchase is for defence not attack.

  48. The Netherlands owned it for 38 years.

  49. Nevermind why my English is better than yours.

    The question is, why is a faggot WHITE DEVIL spending his time reading a China forum.

    Have your own people shunned you because you are too fat, poor, ugly, and hairy to have a good live in USA?

    Answer me that.

  50. Gross. I think I’m going to puke ‘<~~

  51. “the concensus among military historians is that armies fielded by democratic nations are always more successful than armies fielded by authoritarian nations where officers buy their positions…”

    Those “military historians” obviously have not studied the wars America fought in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. In fact, they were probably the ones who convinced the NeoCons that once we bring Democracy, truth, and all of the good shit to Iraq, people there would be worshipping the Americans, followed by the signing of oil rights to major American corporations.

  52. Anyone else think ROFLcopter was burnt by a one night stand with some foreigner she met in a pub in one of those GREAT MOMENTS IN HOOK-UP HISTORY?

    Holla!

  53. I think Roflcopter has mental problems and needs a good lie down.

  54. Nah we already found out the Roflcopter issue on the other discussion her(his/it)’s brother became too intimate with his western teacher as a wee lad now we have the revenge of the sibling with the ultimate chip on their shoulder.

  55. You still have not answered my question.

    My guess is you were fat, ugly, nerdy virgin in high school… did not goto prom, got punked on by all the cool kids, did not goto prestigious college.

    So now you goto China because at least here you can wave around your USA passport and feel like you are a somebody.

    Am I right?

  56. Hey greatdiwei, I think you’ve won the argument.

    :)

  57. OK, maybe you’re not a fatass.

    But you’re still an ugly, poor, english teacher faggot.

  58. Gross! Is he an english teacher?? Worst scum on earth. I wouldn’t let my kids within 1000 ft of him.

  59. The last time I checked, an English teacher makes 2500 RMB a month.

    My prostitute in Macau makes that much a day.

  60. So you make $1000 USD. No wonder you cannot afford happyness in USA.

    BTW, you’re still ugly.

  61. audrey (aka greatdiwei)

    Let’s face it, native english speakers that go over there tend to be broke, young, and unqualified. After college, a lot of my friends went to China or considered going to China to teach english only if they had no other prospects.

    They are pretty much there to make some money and to party. NO ONE goes there to be a dedicated and caring professional teacher.

    [Note from Fauna: Please do not use multiple names.]

  62. Audrey,

    Some but not many teachers here are caring and professional teachers and they usually get good positions in the Universities and high end schools that offer ex pat packages ie: tickets home once a year, high end apartments, high pay etc…

    The ‘language schools’ like Shane English, EF and Wall street will take any rubbish teachers that they can find because they don’t charge much, don’t offer expat packages and don’t give a real hoot about the teachers.

    Also, greatdiwei and roflcopter must be in the same room because they are posting minutes apart. Unless…

    And where is Laowaixian? Unless…

  63. lol

    So, just in case any of haven’t got it yet, Greatdiwei and roflcopter are the same person.

    Congrats on the English though, you silly bitch.

  64. In USA, Jones is too ugly to hook up with Jessica Alba and too poor to seduce Anna Nicole Smith so he came to China to rape his 12 yr old students.

  65. “It’s kind of bad to bash English teachers, because a lot of people are there just to experience the place. ”

    Hmm again I have nothing against you or all of the English teachers, but I don’t see how bashing English teachers on forums is any different from people on forums bashing your average Chinese netizen. Put it this way, if people don’t bash each other most people won’t even post in the message groups. They would read the news and leave, and that would be hella boring.

    But I do agree that most English teachers who are in China are there with good intentions; for the experience and fun. You have to be at least somewhat opened minded to teach in a 3rd world nation. I also think foreign English teachers are helping China as a whole.

    BTW, Jones you should feel lucky you taught in China rather than Korea. LATimes just published an interesting piece on anti-English teacher movement in S.Korea.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31,0,4934857.story

    “In November, the president of the teachers group received anonymous e-mails threatening his life and accusing him of committing sex crimes.

    “I have organized the KEK (Kill White in Korea),” one e-mail read in part. “We will start to kill and hit [foreigners] from this Christmas. Don’t make a fuss. . . . Just get out.”"

    KEK, lol..

  66. It is 3:20p here in Austin

  67. I am in Austin because ICBC is buying up your hick office buildings and shopping malls full of fatass ugly white devils.

    Soon you faggot Americans will be property of China.

  68. There has been ANTI WHITE ENGLISH TEACHER violence in China for the last 5 years.

    However news about their attacks are suppressed by the censors because otherwise white tourist will be scared to visit China and our tourism economy will suffer.

    However, KOREA has a very strong economy that is not reliant on tourism, so they can be very public about anti white crimes.

  69. Actually, I had a friend who got attacked and he was a teacher. He was also an arrogant and nasty drunk who would carry on like most people on this forum in public and incite trouble.

    This may have had something to do with why he was bashed. He was clobbered coming out of a night club by about 15 guys who ended up by throwing an E-Bike on him.

    I don’t think they would have stood a chance if it was one on one though as he was quite a strong guy.

    There was also a guy I know who got beaten up outside Maggies in Beijing by all the bouncers and some angry Mongolian hookers.

    He was seriously a cockhead and deserved everything he got although he was a big bastard.. solid.

    Moral of the story? Don’t cause shit in any country and you can stay out of trouble. Also when you see a bunch of guys congregate with angry look son their faces you are in trouble… power in numbers.

  70. Why not throw a red brick? Better yet, a red brick tainted with lead.

  71. Drive over to Houston. You have already bought many of your malls and office buildings.

  72. Technically it’s Republic of the Seven United Provinces, as United Kingdom of the Netherlands did not come into being until the defeat of Napoleon. And of course before the Dutch showed up, even then it’s just a rather trading post setup by the VOC. (No bigger than many pirate strong holds during that time. Which is why Zheng Chenggong didn’t have too difficult of a time to take it.)

    Dutch access to East Asia was severely hampered Portuguese control of Malacca, and it was only able to open an alternate channel via Batavia 1615 – 1629 even then their main interests are in the spice islands in SE Asia and trade access to China and Japan. (As a side note, unlike the British, the Dutch were able to gain trade access to China since 1600′s. Due to large part of their willingness to go though the formalities kneeing in front of the Emperor and refer to themselves as barbarian tribute state)

  73. The US made china rich? wtf are you talking about. Without america who the fuck are you chinese going to trade with and do business with. You my friend will still be poor. Haha!

    I’m chinese american I even see that. HAHA HAHA.

  74. I agree with that. As a regular Joe, teaching is OK at first but if you are not trained or have a real interest in it, teaching English gets old fast.

    I hand it to the professional teachers and short term teachers who really have their hearts in the job.

  75. 100% agree with GuoBao.

    My friend is an english teacher. He is an M.D. and was paid a lot of money back at home. He never needed to come here.

    He came to China in order to teach, because he loves teaching. He is a very clean cut guy. No smoking, drinking and bad habits. His grammar and knowledge is amazing. He is really dedicated.

    He is married to a local and they are both going back to Australia. The only reason he is going back is because he has a child. He doesn’t want his kid to go through China’s education system and other things. He feels that western education/welfare is a bit more suitable.

    I also have another friend that just opened a great business here. He makes good money. He started out as a teacher. It was a great way to understand Chinese culture for him.

    So, I don’t know why people hate on english teachers. As I said before. There are schools that hire anyone. They should be blamed. Usually, THOSE schools end up screwing over the teachers hard. Most unqualified teachers leave China quickly… at least a year max…

    I have met a lot of losers. The funny thing is that a lot of them did complete university. Which is really strange… I think a good teacher must be qualified and a good person with good habits.

  76. Also, just to remind everybody, not all teachers in China teach English or ESL.

  77. B REal I also want to point something else out. You stated that we are left with our “service sector” but let’s be honest. I am in America and though there is a tough spot in the job market (which is mostly overpaid blue collar retards) for the most part, Best Buy still has droves of people consuming and people making a living.

    Recession is not a new thing for us and we just need to re invent a little. I would take that any day over a cramped, overprice, overinflated egomaniac economy full of 80% peasants, some of which are in DIRE poverty (and third world ugly) any day.

    I would rather be poor in America, than a Fudan university graduate I tell you that for sure.

  78. He’s not Chinese.

    If he was Chinese, and truly that patriotic, he would have posted in Chinese not in English…the “TRASH … English language”

    It looks like a sarcastic white boy to me.

  79. and how he said “Fucking OUR Prostitutes”…but not in a way that looks like he’s out to re-address inequalities and get women off the streets, but more in a ‘cos we chineeeeese should be da ones fucking dem’.

    It can’t be a serious post.

  80. Ahla Akbar
    Yea, who are the top weapons producing nations in the world? who are the 5 permanent members of the security council? Economies of the neoliberal nations are floating on consumers AND weapons. who is supplying Burma… or not being pc Myanmar… Child soldiers vs Young possible nation… who’d you recklessly support?

  81. Thanks for your comment on my name and repeating my word, also for proving my point.”good job”!

  82. How can you be 100 percent sure of this? Could be a girl in Hong Kong looking to stir the shit pot for all we know?!

  83. 超级低位,

    I think it’s great that you covet the thing you most revile.

  84. TL;DR.

    Nevermind the fact that this article was written in 1999, I randomly picked a page and read this:

    “Today, both China and Taiwan are modernizing their forces. But Taiwan will surely do so much faster, especially given its high-tech economy, its willingness to purchase weapons abroad, and a modernization agenda that emphasizes capabilities such as precision strike, maritime reconnaissance and integrated air defense. China’s armed forces talk a good high-tech game, but possess few of the requisite assets and are redressing their weaknesses at a very slow pace.”

    LOL. It’s apparent these “military experts” can’t predict the future worth shit. But then, looking at the foreign military decisions which the US has made in the recent decade it’s apparent that the US military industry is full of bullshitters. Blaming Wall Street may be all the rage right now in the US, but if anything the military industry are far better at wasting other people’s money.

  85. I’d have to say that 10 year old analysis doesn’t sound too far off the mark. China’s modernization policy has been slow in coming and generally still lags behind the other nations in the region. Their force redeployment policies at this point are very ambitious, but a constant flow of corruption and mismanagement may sink them before they even get halfway. Taiwan’s forces are equal to any state in the region by most people’s opinions. They’re certainly on tier with the ROK’s and Japanese. Show me the PRC Patriot III and then we’ll talk.

  86. LOL… no. But it certainly isn’t tasseography to look at the factual physical response and compare them to the stage on which they were place.

    As for these naval “exercises” I’m sure that the PLAN were also dragging sono platforms all the way across the Indian Ocean too, to record signatures of Indian naval assets. The Indian navy was likely tailing and doing much the same to the Chinese, and there’s probably an ever present orbiting American AWACs that knows exactly who everyone is at all times.

    Just the nature of the game.

  87. When I went to the new expo centre in guangzhou, all modern western toilets, no hand towels, and no toilet paper. When I asked why, another westerner who was there told me that the chinese people take the toilet rolls out, so they don’t have to buy toilet paper to use at home. And these are not poor chinese people, they probably having savings in the high thousands of rmb, but won’t fork out 10 rmb for a packet of 8 toilet rolls….go figure?!

  88. Strongly agree with what you say about HK above. It’s a whole gulf apart.

  89. Are you serious? Just about every other military article you read about China nowadays deal with asymmetrical warfare with the US which implies China to have very high level of technology. Few even talk about China/Taiwan anymore because the two are clearly unmatched.

    On conventional warfare China already have Taiwan beat back in 2005, according to Taiwan’s own military reports. If you are lazy just read the last two paragraphs from the link.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/taiwan-balance.htm

    The 1999 article clearly stated that Taiwan’s military capabilities would continue outgrow China’s and implied China will never catch up. That has been proven false. But as the neocons have demonstrated, bullshitting and proven wrong over and over again clearly won’t deter the so called “military buffs” from continuing to spew their bullshit, and listeners who will continue to believe the same bullshit.

  90. little Jones boy…you have not yet pain and suffering.
    You left a life of mediocrity in the West, to feel like the one-eyed king among the blinds.
    It will last while it lasts.
    But one day you will fall and beg for me to come.
    And I will be there for you.
    For you are a mere human being.

  91. Spelling nazis are okay, but grammar nazis I cannot stand.

    Plus my response wasn’t even a rebuttal. I’ve never indicated one way or another that rep.wilson should be disqualified from bashing Obama. Cmfeirs is confused and I was just trying to help him to organize his thoughts.

  92. Jones, having military bases in foreign places certainly gives the US leverage over various issues from trading to criminal jurisdiction. The later is covered under the Status of Forces Agreement, which you can look up yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Forces_Agreement)

    Take Japan for example, if the US did not have military bases in Japan it would a lot more difficult for the US to convince the Japanese government to stop pegging the yen to the dollar. US is accusing China of doing the same currency manipulation today but has very little leverage to get China to change.

    Keep in mind that the goal of a government is not to simply acquire land but also to secure national interests. Having military presence in an area certainly helps that cause.

  93. “What, today, or even in the past decade, has the Western governments done to back resistance and uprisings in Tibet? ”

    Funding radios stations, newspapers, etc.

  94. “The point is: if you only had one global hegenom today, who would the majority of countries in the world today vote for: US or PRC.”

    If you have to choose between the US or the PRC today of course most would choose the US. China still needs decades before it can catch up with the US, and that’s provided that China continues to grow at its current rate, which is doubtful.

    However, China is not nearly as unpopular as people think. Public opinion maybe, but foreign policy wise it has lots of allies depending on the issues. The new Japanese PM last year wrote an Op-Ed on NYT proposing an Asian Union to counter US/EU influences with China at the helm. It scared the crap out of everyone.

    The thing is that nations don’t want a single superpower, it wants balance of power so that it’s easier to leverage their own interest.

  95. Yes, China is hypocritical when it tells other not to bother its internal politics but then does meddle with other countries’ politics. But then it’s also pretty well known that China sucks with propaganda and PR. The US does a much better job at forcing other nations not to engage in diplomatic relations with Cuba.

  96. Gloss over what facts?
    Did I not tell facts?
    Am I downplaying anything? Were schools not build? Roads not developed? Debt not forgiven? Did China not invest in Africa? Were jobs not created? How is any of this bullshit?

    No shit China isn’t some saintlike philanthropist, it doesn’t do all this shit for free. They stand to profit from it. Africa also profits from it. At the very base of the trade is cash. If this was just a basic cash for resources trade it would still be fair. But yet throwing in a football stadium is what? fucking evil? No shit there will be consequences such as pollution and shit. There is no clean green way to develop that is economically and technologically viable right now. Especially for fucking Africa. Jesus christ.
    You know how many Chinese companies are doing projects in Africa? One or more companies are late to pay salaries, big fucking deal happens in Canada too. Does this mean all Chinese companies are late to pay? No. And you would be naive to think this would apply to all companies And At least that company actually paid. My friend is still waiting on back pay his manager owes him from his time being chef at his restaurant. Dude’s never going to get his money.

    There will be cons, I said there would be cons. But I’m saying the pros far outweigh the cons.

    As for Papua New Guinea:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article730180.ece

    What I’m saying is that the grievances that people have is really toward the cons that come with development. If it were another country doing the developing the naysayers would probably say those people are evil and accuse them for ruining their land. The Chinese are just doing what many other countries won’t, which is bringing development and investment. It was a decision by those African countries, South East Asia, and Oceania to start development. This isn’t forced, these deals were put forth, and they accepted them.

  97. Lol hogswash. I wish more people would use that word =D.

    Ok Tubs, there are real problems that should and maybe will be fixed or attended to with these Chinese projects, I’m just saying in this case the good that comes from these projects far outweighs the bad, and a portion of the bad could be attributed to the side effects of development in general, especially from a foreign source. I mean there are far more worse things than building infrastructure in return for resources.

  98. i concur.
    my friend was struck by a mooncake projected at him with a 45 degree launch angle and an initial velocity of roughly 20km/hr…the poor lad is still in intensive care after 3 months.

  99. ahhhh….so it sounds like the Chinese arrogance we’re seeing isn’t some response to the West, but in fact a re-emergence of the historical Chinese view of the rest of the world. When will we barbarian tribute states learn???? hahahahahaha

    China is such a great nation that most Chinese, for centuries, leave! hahahahahahaha

  100. China isnt going to do shit, they could not even kick Vietnams ass in 1979. Vietnam invaded Cambodia to get rid of the Khmer Rouge government which was backed by China. China crossed the border into Vietnam with 200,000 troops got there ass kicked and left.

  101. Wow that makes me so ashamed of China.

    Got beaten just like the USA and going home with their tail between their legs.

    History sure is funny, lucky I know the truth.

  102. Obvious troll is obvious.

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