America Sells Arms to Taiwan, Chinese Netizen Reactions

From China.com:

About America Selling Arms to Taiwan

America is a country where politics serve economics. Actually, Americans don’t have any broad political goals. Their behavior, to phrase it colloquially, appears to be very realist; of course, it’s because they do things serving their own interest that it seems realist.

To a businessperson, profit is prestige. Without profit you have no prestige, and it is like this for America, their prestige comes from their profit. To a businessperson, even if it’s just a small trickle of profit it’s important. Even if this tiny profit will cause them to offend others, generally they will still take it, and restore relations with the offended parties later, if they think it’s worth it. America is also like this.

For Americans, it serves great national interest to make things go poorly between [Mainland] China and Taiwan. In the context of modern global security, possibly no one would dare to be fighting battles and ultimately having a [military] showdown, so struggles take the bloodless forms of attempting to change culture, politics, economics, etc. [Struggles also manifest through] trying to keep one’s own country stable while trying to make the opposing nation unstable. In chaos there is profit, and perhaps in chaos the opposition can be undermined. This is just like the way the US treated the Soviet Union.

America is selling arms to Taiwan again. As far as we’re concerned, this is old, stinking news; what is America’s meaning [in doing this]?

The US is stirring up new conflict between the two shores [i.e., China and Taiwan]. [America is saying,] you can talk, but talking is only talking, you can’t get too close and definitely can’t unify, because that wouldn’t be in the best interests of us Americans.

It’s been sixty years, Taiwan is a painful spot that is difficult for our nation to hide; for many reasons, the Taiwan problem has never been resolved. Now we’ve come to the best time ever for cross-strait relations, but the Americans’ behavior has once cast a dark shadow [over the progress], can we just allow this to take its course?

In truth, I personally feel that America can sell as many weapons to Taiwan as it wants, all that it takes is for us to be willing and those weapons are ours. Didn’t America once give us [China] many weapons via Chiang Kai-Shek? The Nationalist Party has never been able to accomplish anything great, to say nothing of the Democratic Progressive Party. Those in current Taiwanese political circles aren’t qualified politicians , they’re just mediocre people who’ve taken on politics as a profession, what can they ever change? Look at that Chen Shuibian. Are you independent? Isn’t that your political ideology? Not only is [Taiwan] not independent, he’s eaten up an enormous sum of the Taiwanese people’s money!

So, Taiwan has no talented administrators; Americans selling them weapons is useless. America cannot stop the unification of Taiwan. When the unification happens will be decided by China. We don’t fear war, [but] we hope to use great sincerity to peacefully unify Taiwan. After all, the ‘brothers’ on either side [of the strait] are not strangers. If Taiwan is incited by the Americans, and ignores the feelings of the people and goes against common sense, then the weapons will have to come out.

Taiwan, don’t naively think that you can divide up the family, this family you cannot separate from!

America, don’t naively think that you can split up China, you don’t have the skill. Moreover, don’t think that the Chinese people won’t bear a grudge, the Chinese are the best in the world at bearing grudges. If you don’t fear retribution, keep making trouble, if you don’t, it would be so boring!

I think we can retaliate against America!

Netizen comments from China.com:

袖里乾坤:

Ding, support!

看风向吧:

America has already learned the lesson: making endless concessions to China can only further intensify it, make it refuse democracy, and become enemies with the world. When weighing the balance between democracy and economy, Americans finally decided that the value of democracy was much greater than the value of the economy! Otherwise, they would have avoided FDR’s serious postwar mistake with China! Now we’ve come to the time of restoring the original spirit!

北冥教主 [in response to the above comment]:

American democracy isn’t valuable, it isn’t real democracy!

hygry:

Taiwan’s doing it as insurance, America’s doing it for money. [In Taiwan] they have permanent property ownership rights, [if they] come back it changes to seventy-year use rights, and [houses] can be torn down at any time. Consider it, what would you think?

正压邪:

In the past thirty years, China has already become a country that’s only looking for money.

一叶戏秋风:

I personally feel that America can sell as many weapons to Taiwan as it wants, all that it takes is for us to be willing and those weapons are ours.

9494 [sounds like "exactly, exactly" in Mandarin]

农村老实人:

Well said.

芦根:

America, let’s see how many years you can keep being crazy!

wlq0412:

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hechufeixue:

Chairman Mao was a great leader, and everyone remembers him fondly, but today’s politicians? When they step down, who will remember them fondly?

Netizen comments on a news story about the arms sales on Netease:

网易四川攀枝花网友:

Everyone must rethink this, if you were Taiwanese, would you want river crabs?

网易辽宁大连网友:

We don’t need to fear America selling arms to Taiwan, as soon as a war started these advanced weapons would be quickly consumed by our lower-quality but numerous weapons and many soldiers. But I can’t bear to see my own people injured and murdered; as to Taiwan, I’m not sure if I love it or hate it.

网易广东珠海网友:

An enterprise seeking profit, what’s wrong with that?

网易浙江宁波网友:

These arms are all defensive weapons, for example right now, they’re selling Taiwan patriot [defensive missiles], not F-16 [fighter jets].

网易浙江杭州网友:

A dog says loudly, America is our hope. A pig hears and laughs. The dog doesn’t understand and asks why did you laugh. The pig says, your head must have been slammed in a door, because you sound like an ass.

网易广东深圳网友 [in response to the comment above]:

America is humanity’s hope. The guy above me isn’t even as good as a dog.

网易河北石家庄网友:

As long as America exists, the world cannot be peaceful.

网易重庆渝中网友 [in response to the comment above]:

I only know that without America, the whole world would be chaotic.

This post was translated by C. Custer, editor of the China news, translation, and analysis blog ChinaGeeks.

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  1. I fear greatly this mounting ideology, which is hollow and very angry at the happenings of a distant past.

  2. China reserves the right to attack its own people.

    • Fuck USA white devils!

      USA is too pussy to openly attack China, so they are trying to weaken our nations by creating hostility between Taiwan and China.

      Fellow Chinese and Taiwanese people, we must not allow USA to brainwash us into fighting each other. We Chinese/Taiwanese are all the same—we are all brothers and sisters of the Han people.

      Our true enemy is USA!

      USA military builds airforce bases around China, and sends aircraft carriers into OUR OCEANS.

      USA take our exports, constructed from the blood and sweat of our brothers and sisters, and in exchange they give us a WORTHLESS US DOLLAR CURRENCY

      USA faggot gwailos come to our country, spreading their TRASH Christianity religion / English language, FUCKING OUR PROSTITUTES, and RIDICULE our people calling us FARMERS

      PRC + TAIWAN brothers, let us unite and KILL the WHITE DEVILS.

      The next time you see a WHITE DEVIL in China, pick up a brick from the ground and SMASH THEIR HEADS!!!!

      • What is it with you and the fucking bricks. I’d like to take a brick to your fat, block head.

      • “FUCKING OUR PROSTITUTES”

        I think it is hilarious that this gets to be one of his ALLCAPS talking points

        “RIDICULE our people calling us FARMERS”

        Lol, what the hell. Go back to your farm, hillbilly.

      • Greatdiwei, what about us “whites” from the (former) Soviet Union? We may have European faces, but we are not westerners, and hate American scum as much you do.

        • We Chinese love Russians. They share our same political ideology, and they are very good trade partners. They offer us valuable military strategy and access oil infrastructure.

          In the next decade, we will see another Cold War, except this time it will be USA+UK versus China+Russia… and this time RED will triumph over the World.

          We only have hatred for USA and UK because these countries do nothing but exploit our people.

          • GuoBao, if you actually read history, you’d know that it was China who cut us off, not the other way around, because after the death of Stalin, Mao saw that the following Soviet leaders were straying from the original ideology. And he was right, the following leaders were nowhere near as good as Stalin, and finally the worst of them all, that traitor Gorbachev and his cronies disbanded the Soviet Union altogether.

            Also you are wrong, on average, Russians have a more positive view of China and the Chinese than of the West and Westerners. Our culture is different from Chinese of course, but we don’t consider ourselves Westerners either (more like in between, “中国” in the literal meaning lol). Of course in big cities like Moscow and Leningrad there are some “wannabe westerners”, but this problem exists in China as well (in places like Shanghai and Beijing, not even talking about Hong Kong and Taiwan).

            Finally, have you heard of the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization)? We are already allies against NATO and the West.

          • Wow! you soon backed off the russian whites eh? Russian people hate Chinese people you fool. You stole their ideology and then went on to steal their technology without giving anything in return you fool. And if i remember correctly, russia is no longer communist and better off for it.

          • Вот долбоёб, кто тебе пиндосу сраному давал право за русских говорить?

            Don’t speak for Russians if you aren’t one. Without giving anything in return huh? Who do you think feeds and clothes the Russian far east?

          • 看历史书俄国占领清朝很多领土包括外蒙、北满洲、东满洲、西新疆,跟这些领土比起来台湾的面积算什么?为何不愿意让台湾独立而愿意让上述那么广大的领土被俄国占领?还说俄国是友邦?可笑。

        • How’d you manage to graduate high school while failing reading comprehension? Notice I said “places”, not “cities”.

          And last time I checked my map, Taiwan is part of the PRC.

          • Okay if you want to go nitpicking about that particular detail, how about this: Beijing (municipality), Shanghai (municipality), Hong Kong (SAR), Taiwan (province) are all on the same level in PRC’s administrative hierarchy. So that’s basically like having two red apples, one green apple and one yellow apple, though their colors may differ they’re all apples.

            Your map may have Canada in Mexico, but most certainly they are indicated as separate from the U.S. (unless you’re talking about some sort of NAFTA economical map instead of a political one). My country recognizes the province of Taiwan as part of China, so why should I think otherwise?

          • And what’s wrong with that? You westerners put too much emphasis on the stupid idea of “individuality”.

        • Not Western? Hunh? Russians are just as “Western” as Poles, Germans, Danes, etc.

          • Depends on which criteria you use to call someone “Western”, this could or could not be the case depending which angle you look at it from. In either case, the average Russian doesn’t consider himself a Westerner, when we say “the West” it refers exclusively to Western Europe and the New World, its usage is never inclusive of Russia (as well as Belarus, Ukraine, and former Yugoslavia).

      • true american (aka Mike)

        How many falsehoods can you tell in one posting. The USA has no reason to attack the Chinese people or China. NOT ALL Americans agree with the arms sale or with the moron in the White House. Besides, dipshit, not all Americans are WHITE!!! We are a many colored people. You hate each other, kill each other, and are unbeliveable. Why should anyone attack you when they can sit back and watch you destroy yourselves. Regardless of the hard feelings between China and Tiwan, neither side tries to make peace with the other. China sits there and threatens. How harmonious is that? By the way, we don’t bother your whores, we sleep with the beautiful women of China.

      • I am white. I am Scottish. I find your tone very offending! How can you consider yourself a human with the comment you have just posted. Even your own nations leaders would not tolerate such stupidity. you are an embarrassment to the strength and intelligence of your own people. Shame on you

      • Greatdewi.
        Your thoughts perhaps even precede the opium days. Very few in the West ever consider China or Taiwan. We care very little about any of it! My main purpose of respnding to you post is to ask this: ‘ If you were to see a Westerner walking a street in China would you still smash his head in with a brick? even if he may be British, German, Swiss or French perhaps? We all look the same!How would you know, before you smashed his brains out?

      • Totally agree!!!…..FUCK USA PEOPLE!!!.

      • When China was first entered the UN it was under the name Republic of China (ROC). After the civil war and KMT set up the ROC in Taiwan, they still held seat rights in the UN. Representatives from the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) requested that the Taiwan representatives were to be remove since they are no longer part of China and are a rogue state. Taiwan recently tried to obtain rights as an independent nation but the UN voted it down and said they would not get seat status at this time. KMT at that time thought they were going to rise up and take back the mainland. Hell, sometimes they still drink to it. It could happen.
        Didn’t the United States take up arms to fight the British once?

        As for the ties between Taiwan and China. Economic yes they have to get better. As for Taiwan actually giving up their freedoms, language, even religions. The Taiwanese I know will die first before even allowing to happen. The DPP was the one that was causing more conflict between the nations. KMT is back in power again, and neither party wants unification. The people will not agree to that. Taiwanese is far more hospitable that Mainland Chinese could ever be. China has a couple decades to catch up on Taiwan socially.

        I never understood why my Chinese friends back home would align themselves with either HK, SP and TW together and then leaving mainland China to themselves. Then I came here, no I understand.

        As for these bogus propaganda articles, how many Chinese reporters have actually gone to Taiwan. Those that go I doubt come back.

      • Cool down, friends. You can be more polite to handle this conflict. Why don’t we anti all (unnecessary) American products ie: McDonal, KFC, Starbuck, Cocacola and movies. This will further increase our trade surplus and cause the American more deficit.

        • Even better would be for Americans to boycott everything Made in China. China’s entire economy would begin to collapse within a month. BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE PRODUCTS!!!

          Of course, if that were to happen, the harmonious spirit of the “Heavenly” kingdom (it is still ruled in the same way as a kingdom, so I don’t put that part in quotation marks) would begin to invade Taiwan, Vietnam, Laos, etc., just as it invaded Tibet and parts of India for economic advantage. China did not invade those countries to support the will of the indigenous people living there.

          China’s ruling class is the last dinosaur of the WW2 era of massive armies used for imperialistic threats and warfare. It’s no wonder they view America and the rest of the world with such archaic, racist presumptions fitting the times of the Boxer Rebellion (义和团运动). But, then, that is how the imperialism of the UK and USA of centuries PAST rationalized their behavior–with racism. Luckily, much of the world is evolving past that.

          Except for China, and THAT is why the world still mocks you, stills sees you as a nation that thinks like feudal farmers. The disdain of the PRC has nothing to do with your government’s propaganda that China must act like an international @sshole to be respected, and must bully little Tibet or Taiwan, or meddle in African politics. It’s China’s arrogant preference to be a bully, when people all over the world are seeking something more enlightened of their leaders, that makes me consider China to be moving in the opposite directions of all the people on Earth who are working for peace through stability and greater compassion within their own countries, respect for the environment, and genuine efforts to solve world-wide problems of hunger and disease.

          Sometimes I wonder how so many Chinese-Americans can be so bright and make so much worthy contribution to society, while the Chinese on the other side of the Pacific act like they are the last Neanderthals on Earth.

  3. The typical mainland chinese is so brainwashed by typicl propaganda that has spread in China ever since Mao. Calling Mao a great leader…. just shows how the average chinese citizen can not even think for themselves. Taiwan being a free democratic nation, no one in the world would want to merge and be part of the so called “great chinese nation” that promises no freedom, no expression, all for the sake of some national glory. The average chinese citizen should instead focus on their governments corruption, abuse of power and mind their own businesses.

    “The Nationalist Party has never been able to accomplish anything great, to say nothing of the Democratic Progressive Party” this just says it all for the typical chinese, the fact that the average taiwanese income is nearly 10 to 15 times that of China……

  4. According to what I’ve just googled, it was 38 years not 6 days.

  5. No-one has yet mentioned the real reason why American governments sell arms to the ROC, [b]BECAUSE IT’S POPULAR[/b]. If any US President announced that they would no longer sell arms to the ROC, he’d be accused of selling out a peaceful democracy to the commies.

    The same thing with Israel, the American government doesn’t support Israel because of some Jewish conspiracy, it’s because most Americans like Israel and couldn’t give a fuck about some inbred rock throwing hajjis.

    If Obama abandoned Taiwan or Israel he wouldn’t be re-elected no matter who the Republicans ran against him.

    • For a guy who lives in Korea he’s actually quite dead on.

    • my man, and military industrial complex.
      we’s gotten tighten up that trade deficit somehow.

    • It gets the economy going. US sells weapons to Taiwan/Israel. Israel researches them, then build weapons to counter these weapons to China. China takes these weapons, further reverse engineering them and then mass produce cheap imitations.

      Sure, these weapons will never be used, but just imaging how many jobs were created in the process for people in all of these countries.

    • true american (aka Mike)

      Very true but the Americans will not make that mistake again. They will make sure the next President is real and not a puppet on strings. You live in Korea, you know exactly what I mean.

  6. I think this is Obama taking an “In Your Face” move directly at China for his being snubbed by Wen, having Chinese monetary policy make a shambles of US trade, being stage managed when he visited the PRC, and a variety of other things like the Climate change conference. Taiwan and Tibet are the 2 big pimples on China’s forehead that the PRC is extremely sensitive about. Obama just pointed it out in a very dramatic way. In and of itself, Patriot missiles are militarily benign as the anti missile system is reportedly ladened with technical problems; ie. they may not even be reliable in actual use. However, the symbolism is what their value is right now, and this is essentially the US telling China that it doesn’t yet call all the shots.

    • Dude, we signed the fucken treaty in the 70′s. We’ve done this every year since god knows when. 3rd winter in China and just about every January we toss a few F-16s their way. I wish these people would bitch about the treaty for once instead of focusing on each individual sale. Obama doesn’t have a choice in the matter, just like Clinton didn’t, just like Reagan didn’t but certainly enjoyed the fuck out of putting missiles that much closer to communists.

  7. Typical. America meddling in Eastern affairs even though it has nothing to do with them.

    China should sell arms to Cuba.

    • How would the Cubans pay for them? They can’t even provide their own people with toilet paper.

      • haha true. But you don’t see Chinese military bases anywhere outside of China. Unlike the bases in Korea and Japan that America has.

        • Not yet, but you will. China is developing deep water ports in Pakistan and Thailand. These are nice, strategic locations for constraining India in the near future. China has also made claims to most of the South China Sea. They include waters that border on Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia and the Philippines. Even the most virulent Chinese nationalist has to admit that this is a rather curious move and should question the motives behind the claim. It’s notable that Chinese adventurism only extends south, where neighboring countries are relatively weak, but not north, where neighboring countries are strong.

        • Yes, except for the ones on each end of the Panama Canal and when COSCO owned the Long Beach Naval Port in California..

          I wonder if they still operate the one on lease from Pakistan in Gwadar..

          Why does everything think that the Chinese don’t operate outside of the PRC, and that America isn’t dealing arms with them?

          • That’s interesting. Can you post a map or any citations about these Chinese bases? I read about Sri Lanka, but neglected to mention it. I’ve not heard about the Panama Canal.

            On a side note. I’m intrigued that China has sent naval vessels to patrol off the coast of Somalia. I’ve heard stories about these naval vessels escorting hijacked Chinese ships, but I’ve never heard of any military action taken by the Chinese Navy. My guess is that the Chinese government quietly pays the ransom because they don’t want to stir up anti-Chinese sentiment in Africa. The Chinese naval vessels are there for practice and it’s a good excuse to extend their operations.

          • At Shanghai Steve: Your comments are right on the mark. Ever since the first three ship flotilla with the Wuhan and Haikou sailed into Somalia’s waters, one has to realize that it was overkill to send in two top of the line frigates that normally are used for fleet air defense (both fitted with surface phased-array radar and vertical tube air defense missiles; ie. the Chinese version of the US Arleigh Burke class Aegis ships).

            Somali pirates?

            No. They were there to gather electronic emissions from the US fleet ops going on off the coast of Iraq and to note the pattern of US combat flight ops. They were recording how the US Navy goes to war and fine tuning their radar to achieve maximum detection of US military assets. The PRC navy knows who their real enemy is, and it certainly ain’t no Sammy with an RPG.

        • I forgot to metion the Marao Chinese Nuclear Sub Base. The one in Srilanka. The one in Chittagong. Coco Island. And that just covers the Indian Ocean.

        • true american (aka Mike)

          WHY ARE THOSE BASES THERE? Because Americans died there defending people in Korea and killing slant eyed Japanese bastards for murdering Chinese and Americans. Remember that? That is why the bases are there. Bought with American blood!

        • Fair point. Then again, those bases were originally built during WWII to fight against (and then after the war, control) the Japanese, which I think most Chinese would argue was a good thing…?

        • roflcopter: That’s funny, I coulda sworn China kept some permanent “bases” in Tibet after they militarily conquered it, but I guess that doesn’t count

        • roflcopter, imagine if the United States didn’t have either of those bases. China would have a lot more issues on its hands. Maybe Japan would go nuclear because it no longer would have the protection of the United States, and that would increase tensions between China and Japan. (we all know the Chinese are just waiting for the day to get back at the guizi). Also, they would have to play a part in keeping the crazy leader of North Korea from destroying Seoul.

        • People don’t like you, or in the last can’t get anything from you, they won’t let you crash at their place. Pretty simple.

      • fuck pusan playa, you seriously need your own section in chinasmack like “You know whats bullshit” section or “you know what gets on my nerves” i would seriously support you pusan playa, you tell things straight up man!
        PP you are like my bill o’reilly, seriously, no fuckin spin man just what you say is damn good!

    • China secretly dump their holdings of US debt and allow the US dollar goto the shit.

      Fuck USA and their fatass lazy motherfucker people.

      For the last 20 years, they have enjoyed prosperity at the cost of PRC’s standard of living.

      Now that PRC’s domestic economy is skyrocketing, we are debt free, and we have control of resources in Africa, we do not need to give face to USA any longer.

      Let the gwailos burn in hell!!

      • Wow you are the biggest idiot ever.

        China is where it is today because of America: American capital investment and American consumption to generate enough demand for Chinese export and GDP growth. Go ahead dump your holdings, you’ll just make your own money worthless and crash your own economy as well. China extending credit to the US was always more to benefit itself than America.

        • LOL!! You give American too much credit.

          By INVESTMENT, do you mean all the fatass white faggots in USA buying Made in China goods at WALMART?

          China is where it is today thanks to the following countries:
          - HONG KONG for its investment
          - TAIWAN for its strong tech industry which provide much jobs, prosperity, and business development
          - GERMANY for its engineering skill and building infrastracture
          - SWITZERLAND for engineering brilliance
          - AFRICA for its rich natural resources
          - RUSSIA for its military strategy, oil infrastructure, and shared hatred of the West

        • And BTW China is perfectly fine with a worthless currency. We are an EXPORTING nation, so weak RMB is favorable to competing with other export nations like EURO.

          America exports nothing but ugly fatasses, neanderthal culture, and DEBT!!

          • Just like you westerners love chinky stuff like playstations, blue-ray, sushi, hentai, flip flops, and whatnot. You snort it like lindsay lohan snorts coke. You LOVE that shit.

          • so what exactly made you come to China? Were you an utter failure in USA? Did you get rejected by community college? Did you get one of your balls chopped off and now you feel like half a man? I truly feel sorry for expats like you who obsess over a culture and people that aren’t their own. Why don’t you go to europe where there aren’t so many “inferior” chinks?

            I will be sure to tell my friends over in china about “sincere” white people are.

            Do your white friends know you post on here so much?? what would they think about a pathetic white loser who obsesses over chinese people? What would all those white girls think when they find out you have “yellow fever”? hmm…my guess is that your reputation won’t be tarnished because everyone already knows you are a loser.

            What a sad little pussy you are attacking a girl. From my experiences living in america, you are a NOBODY. You are like all the other white guys I’ve ever known and you will never produce anything worthwhile or original in your life. You are a waste of air. Instead of facing your problems and reality head on, you go off into an “asian-fantasyland” where you think you are a king sitting atop a mountain.

            Guys like you just make me glad that I will never date a white man.

            I’m going to ignore you know because your community college rhetoric is sub par.

          • You don’t know anything about economics. You need to just stop before you make yourself look any stupider. And get educated, it might help you out:

            mpettis.com

            Michael Pettis is a professor at Peking University’s Guanghua School of Management, where he specializes in Chinese financial markets. He’s got decades of experience dealing with developing economies.

            But I wouldn’t try to pull your nationalist fanatic rhetoric with him, he has a talent for shooting it down.

          • LOL

            So Michael Pettis is a successful faggot English teacher who came to China and eventually got promoted to Professor. LOL

      • “China secretly dump their holdings of US debt”

        Haha as if that could ever be done secretly. diwei has no idea how economics work.

        “we have control of resources in Africa”

        You might think you do, but the truth is you never have control of African resources. Just caused you bribed the current warlord into letting you take their raw materials, doesn’t mean that when you will still be able to when the next warlord comes around.

        • I work for ICBC. I think I know more about economics than some faggot ass hick named BANJO PETE.

          The next warlord will be our BITCH because we control the flow of money going into Africa.

          Haven’t you learned anything about China yet? MONEY is everything.

          • “I work for ICBC”

            Well well, aren’t we just the paragon of success. Seriously, you must be some kind of economic genius to land such a prestigious position.

            “we control the flow of money going into Africa”

            Oh but see now you expose your lack of knowledge about economics. Wealth does not flow into Africa, for centuries it has left Africa. You can bribe a warlord with trinkets and firewater, but eventually the people figure out what’s happening and start getting pissed. Heard about the recent anti-Chinese riots there?

          • 超级低位。。。

            being the janitor or security of some branch office does not exactly qualify you as an economist…

          • thanks for the little help,but we really dont need your help for our resources, our leaders r foolish to deal with u guys,our generation will send u guys packing out.we love the devil we know rather than angels we dont know.u preach win -win cooperation only becos it favours china,how many african countries can export to china?u say things on paper but practically africans are not welcome to china…..so leave africa alone with it poverty,we r poor but happier than many chinese…..

      • greatdiwei,

        You are a caricature, derivatives of the mindless foreign bashing drone. You dish out baseless assumptions and stereotypes on individuals like your burnt out cigarette butts, you probably only shower thrice a year. You are having trouble find a girlfriend because, well simply because you are Chinese, and your dick is actually concaved in.

        See how easy and pointless all that shit is? Anybody can talk like a troll. So unless you can make a constructive argument, you’ll be regarded as another one of the million Chinktard troll on the internet.

        And another thing, doesn’t matter how strong or powerful or rich your Glorious China gets, thanks to its neo-mercantilist set up, you, as an individual will not see a cent of it. The reason China is able to expand at such an incredible rate is at the expenses of people like yourself, yet you still blindly praise its merits. Whats the use if you should belong to the best country in the world, if you are still being considered a third world refugee by others?

        • How can I be a refugee? My english is better than faggot Americans that come to teach.

          If anything, I can always become an English teacher and make $1000/month like Jones.

          • My english is better than *the* faggot Americans that come to teach.

            I hope that helps. Good luck with your English teaching career aspirations. :-)

          • Actually no you wont become a English teacher even if your absolutely qualified. Want to know why? Because you on the surface your still Chinese and the ‘English schools’ in China along with your ‘comrades’ would not consider you a ‘English’ speaker. It’s a bitter pill to swallow but as long as your people continue to perceive only white people with white features should teach English to their children you will not be making your $1000/month like Jones.

            Now, Greatdickweed, you may love your country but does your country love you?

            Answer me that please.

      • Isn’t it spelt “gwei lo”?

        Also you must be cantonese as surely “lao wai” or “yang gui zi” is a more all encompassing term for foreigners in China.

        What you don’t realise is in a few years, the Africans won’t be throwing stones at western embassies in Africa and burning their flags, they will be throwing stones at YOUR own nations embassy and burning your own nations flag. As has already happened in one country in between Europe and Asia last summer. I live in your head, think about it…..mwa hahahahahaha

  8. Wasn’t this whole deal decided under Bush? I’m not sure Obama had a say in it.

  9. The US survives by creating enemies as they need to feed their eco-military masters.

    I think that the Chinese should be very careful not to overplay its hand.

  10. Guys, let’s put this into perspective:

    a) Obama Administration: Sells expensive weapons to Taiwan that essentially do very little to alter the military situation in the strait. Beijing’s military advantage is already large and it is growing. In the meantime, Obama can look tough domestically while proposing arms that were, with the exception of the Black Hawks, nothing more than what Bush promised before him. The US still has not shown it has the balls to arm Taiwan like it should.

    b) Beijing: Gets to play up the century of humiliation(tm) to score domestic points and actually loses little because of A above. Note the comments by the Chinese commentators above.

    c) Taiwan: The ever-ineffectual Ma Ying-jeou gets a sop thrown to him. He can now puff out his chest and show how manly he is to a popultion that, going by his approval rating, already knows that he has no balls and likes to take deliveries from Beijing up the back passage. Meanwhile, he continues his quest to make Taiwan subservient to China.

    As for the article above, it is pointlessly one-sided and overlooks the key argument that arming Taiwan REDUCES the prospect of war instead of increases it. Beijing has not attempted an invasion yet because the CCP leaders know very well that anything less than a convincing win would be suicidal (if not militarily than domistically). I ask the writer of this piece one question. If Taiwan did not have an army/air force/navy and had no US support, would the prospect of an invasion be lower? Hahaha… [laughs that off]

    The question is this: Why should Americans have to sacrifice their core interests (maintaining free passage in the Taiwan Strait and access to the ocean around Taiwan as well as limiting the seaward reach of China’s navy) by recognizing the Chinese claim to a colonial territory (only half of which was ever occupied by the Qing at any time) that the Chinese gave up in perpetuity — a territory that was a full province of China for one third of the time that it was a colony of the Netherlands and has been governed separately for 105 years?

    Clearly only Chinese core interests are real core interests.

    • I have an aunt who is taiwanese and the situation there is not as dramatic as westerners think. The majority of Taiwan people have positive feelings towards mainland china and the economic benefits outweigh “independence”. China does not meddle in Taiwan government or affairs and people travel across mainland and taiwan often. Their lives are no different than they were when self-governed, except for the fact that their economy was saved by China.

      I don’t know why westerners are so interested in Taiwan/tibet independence. Shouldn’t they also be protesting for Hawaiian, Alaskan, Puero Rican, etc… Independence? Hawaii was self-governed less than 100 yrs ago and the majority of Hawaiians are a different race and culture than mainstream America. Surely, Hawaiians deserve independence too…

      • Dude, USA doesn’t give a fuck about democracy or humanitarianism.

        USA is trying to weaken CHINA the only way it can… by STRENGTHENING PRC’S ENEMIES.

        • Hopefully our Asian neigbors don’t fall for “divide and rule”. India, Rwanda, Vietnam…etc…have fell for it before. Westerners use “divide and Rule” to create conflict amongst asians so that eventually they kill each other.

          • The only military action I support is US invasion of Canada. I think those waffle eaters need some american liberation. Canada is better off a colony of america instead of their oppressive socialist regime that they have right now. Americans need to teach those backwards canadadians.

        • America does not look kindly to rising powers and does see China as the next Soviet Union. America does indeed not always support democracy or humanitarianism. If you want America to change its stance, give it a reason not to be alarmed at your hungry grab for power and obvious intention to dominate the Eastern Sphere.

          On a separate note, who do you think pushed the idea of the PRC to be accepted as representative of China in the United Nations? Who supported the idea of a “one China policy”? The U.S. The U.S. has always supported China with caution but lately it has also seen a reason to become yet more uneasy towards it.

      • The only Taiwanese people I have ever seen who were very positive about mainland China were on CCTV4. I’ve never met one for real here in Taiwan.

      • Let’s not forget Britain and Northern Ireland as well…

        • Toogs, interesting comment there, but there is a gulf of a difference between Taiwan and N.I. in that N.I. shares a open border with it’s southern neighbour, and anyone born in said territory automatically gains Irish citizenship. Imagine that happening in China?

          Not against you T, just saying…

          Cheers,
          A

      • roflcopter,

        Read some news maybe. Read a book maybe. Maybe using Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico as an analogy for Tibet or Taiwan isn’t the best idea. But, if you wanna go there… if Tibet or Taiwan were treated by the PRC like Hawaii and Alaska are treated by the USA, well, they wouldn’t have these problmes, now would they?

      • you a block head,are hawains asking for independence?why do u guys always blame other countries for your woes?solve the tibetan problem peacefully , u guys dont who want,just want to demonized tibetans,.who told you that the chian safe taiwans econonomy?you are just try to buy tAIWANESE WITH MONEY ,the recent economic crisis to my opinion, should be blamed on china,you are the main exporter to the america,americans spend alot and buying a lot of shit,there by promoting healthy economic growth which helped chinese exporters to be rich,but on the other hand chinese spends very little and save a large part of their earnings , as a result less cash in circulation, everything end up in chinese banks ,how do u expect the world economic to be healthy when money doesnt flow freely and fast? guys stop talking or bashing chinese, they will always tell u they are right.but i know many chinese arent that aggressive like those in this forum,a healthy and responsible china is good for the world ,no body even your self named enemy america will want to destroy china… so dont give the world an excuse to hate u guys.

    • Exactly right. These weapons do essentially nothing. Weapons sold to Taiwan have always been of a defensive nature. Taiwan’s weapons do not possess any capacity to strike China.

      The U.S. selling weapons is to make a quick buck and provide a gesture as well.

  11. lawl,

    china get ur head out of your ass.
    jsut beacause you build our lighters you dont get to tell the world whom to trade with.

    taiwan is an independent country.

    you think otherwise? TRY GO THERE FOR HOLIDAYS WITH YOUR CRAPPY CHINGY PASSPORT WITHOUT A VISA!

    dumb egocentric fockers.

    • I wish you knew how pathetic you sound. Kind of like a chinese person going on a German website and saying how eastern germany should seperate from western germany. “Damn those eastern germans! They are so poor and backwards! Damn Honkies”

      That is what you sound like – except a white man talking about Chinese issues for which he has no knowledge or understanding.

      • …Or some retarded Chinese wanker saying that they support the US invasion of Canada.

        Hahaha. You really are a dipshit. Writing posts as different people so it appears that at least one person supports your crap.

        You have some serious mental problems which we are all laughing at you about.

        Unfortunately, the sad thing is that you will end up realizing that, even with the anonymity of the internet being your last bastion of hope for a social life, you will never be accepted by Chinese or laowailandians and will take your own life via autoerotic asphyxiation whilst presenting a little choke-boner as your final legacy to a world that does not care for you.

        Sad, pathetic you.

      • Come on!!! Are you serious? Only a Chinese person can be an expert on China? Are you in middle school or something? Retarded middle school at best…

  12. Obama is already fighting a soft on terroism charge. Can you imagine what would happen if he refused to sell weapons to Taiwan. I mean, how badly do you want to see the Republicans return to power? For those who say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, I recall hearing that claim by those who supported Nader during the 2000 election. And that worked out real well

  13. I don’t get it. If chinese want to re-unite so badly, why dont they just change name to Rep of China and relocate their capital city in Nanking…
    China is a pathetic yet powerful divorced guy who is desperatly trying to get his ex-wife back, even if she hates him.

  14. I will simply not stand for any denigration of Chen Shui-bian. Any man who fakes an assassination attempt to sway voters – with a real gunshot wound to boot – is worthy of reverence in my books.

    • It wasn’t a real gunshot wound. Unless of course bullets don’t travel straight and curve around your belly so that the injury is only skin deep and non-fatal.

      Besides, he already got a second term out of it. He doesn’t deserve anything more for fooling the idiot public.

  15. The Chinese are upset because the Taiwanese paid for it, whereas the mainlanders would prefer that they just stole the technology and built it themselves.

  16. China getting angry at the US is just a stage show by the chink government to prove to chinks that they are tough.
    another arms deal. no big deal.
    china comparing with the usa all the time. no big deal. chinks need to up their self-esteem anyways.
    usa worried about china’s anger? lol. if america wanted to, america would’ve farted on china since chiang left to taiwan.
    all the chinese saying china’s a great nation, big country, powerful military force,china’s better than the other countries and the US, continue being arrogant and one day the world will fuck you guys over until your wives start crawling on the ground for help.
    even russia won’t side with a rising arrogant threat as their neighbors.

    • your right my bro,arrogance will only bring more enemies to them,it not good for chinese to be very rich and not good for them to be too poor,cos all this will be a world’s problem……always telling people what to do and not to do.what a f…

  17. America one week, France the next week, Australia the next week, Japan the next….

    Has any Western country out there not had its turn as Evil Western Capitalist Country of the moment? NZ maybe?

  18. This whole ordeal of selling weapons to Taiwan is so theatrical. It follows the exact same pattern every time.

    China has to pretend to care, as the country has many jingoist fanatics like greatdiwei who foam at the mouth in rage every time it happens. So they make a few strongly worded statements and cut off military ties, only to restore them in a few months so they’ll have the opportunity to cut them again next time this happens.

    Far be it for me to comprehend the mind of the CCP, but I don’t think they intend to use force to bring Taiwan back into the fold. If they did, it would mean that they have lost their previously clever capacity for getting their way without outright aggression. Just give the Taiwan issue a few more decades and it may not be the intense polarizing issues that it is now. Just sayin’

  19. I’m proud to be half-Taiwanese!…anyway it doesn’t matter who we buy from, the outcome will be the same, and we can’t buy from PRC…ne? BTW is it just me, or the translated comments make no sense?

  20. I live on the Mainland, and this news really annoys me and pisses me off as an American.

    The USA seems to play both sides against the middle concerning Taiwan. They on the one hand agree to the Beijing government on the principles of the “One China” policy and then turns around and sells weapons to the Taiwanese. Gee, American government, pick a f’ing side for pete sake.

    There has been better relations between Beijing and Taipei for the last several years. There are flights now from the Mainland into Taiwan. I haven’t really heard anything about Taiwan for several years until now.

    If the USA would get out of meddling into other nation’s business, the Beijing government and the Taipei government would merge into an economic union, whith integration of the two sides within 50 years.

    Taiwan would get crushed by China in a war, and if the USA came in for Taiwan would basically cause WWIII, a larger Asian war with North Korea invading the South, possibly with nuclear weapons on all sides.

    For pissant Taiwan????????

    USA, get out of Korea, get out of the Middle East, and stop selling Taiwan weapons!

    Remember who is now the President, “Mr. Hop In Change.” not George W. Bush.

    • you talk like america’s alone
      many european nations would side with the US
      nations like india would begin their full-retaliation against the chinese near the tibetan border.
      the us have more allies than china does.
      china can single Handily crush its asian neighbors but if they went against the us, i’m pretty sure many asian neighbors would side wit america
      not to mention how russia would back india up no matter how much they despise america

    • “There has been better relations between Beijing and Taipei”

      You can say this, but relations had really gotten much better, why would Taiwan agree to buy the weapons in the first place?

      The USA has been selling weapons to Taiwan steadily for decades. It can legitimately claim to be upholding the status quo by selling these arms. If it were to refuse to sell, that would be making a statement.

      “I haven’t really heard anything about Taiwan for several years until now”

      You didn’t hear about the dispute between Taiwan and China on Taiwan joining the World Health Organization. And you didn’t hear about Taiwan’s latest attempt to join the UN? Yeah, that happened after the supposedly China-friendly Taiwanese government took over. Relations are not as good as you might think, I am afraid.

      • Taiwan has been fighting for status in UN and WHO for decades now. The same with getting weapons from the US. That’s nothing new.

        Taiwan’s relationship with China on the other hand has been improving if you look at the trading between the two countries. Taiwanese for the most part were pissed off at DPP for not forging closer ties with China in the last decade. While all of the other Asian nations like Korea and Japan’s economies improved as the result of the expanding Chinese market, Taiwan’s economy was in recession most of the time. The KMT won because of its promises of economic reform. While everyone knows that KMT is closer with the Chinese government they still voted for KMT anyway.

        KMT’s recent fall in public polls have more to do with its inability to handle natural disasters and economic reforms properly. Taiwanese in general are ALOT less hostile to mainland China than they did back in the 80s and 90s, even with the BSR bigots.

        • I agree but I think the buck will stop well short of voluntary reunification.

          The Taiwanese are quite happy with trading with the mainland. But they want to keep their distance, nevertheless.

    • If the USA would get out of meddling into other nation’s business, the Beijing government and the Taipei government would merge into an economic union, whith integration of the two sides within 50 years.

      There is no way the could form a union as long as they don’t recognise each other.

    • u really dont catch it ,why not just ask the mainland govt to persuade taiwan not to buy the arms?america is not forcing them, and america has an obligation to maintain a balance.why not also ask china ,why having a large army and still building up it military and missiles pointing and ready to strike taiwan?

  21. ‘For pissant Taiwan????????’

    Never come here.

  22. “America is a country where politics serve economics. Actually, Americans don’t have any broad political goals.”

    I completely disagree with this when it comes to the whole Taiwan-Eastasia-Security-Complex.

  23. Taiwan is more American than (Mainland) Chinese.

  24. china! invade taiwan or shut da fuck up!

  25. America! Invade China or shut da fuck up about Human rights or Tibet!

    • I don’t think anyone with any sense of morality should shut up about human rights. Tibet is clearly more complicated than just human rights.

      The US should clean up its own house regarding human rights before shooting off its mouth, but to pretend that another country’s failure to live up to its standards invalidates an argument is preposterous.

  26. “You still have not answered my question.

    My guess is you were fat, ugly, nerdy virgin in high school… did not goto prom, got punked on by all the cool kids, did not goto prestigious college.

    So now you goto China because at least here you can wave around your USA passport and feel like you are a somebody.

    Am I right?”

    im \overweight now since ive been in china beer is cheap food is great and fucking is more amazing, its like this appetizer, main course and dessert. you’ve nailed it thank you for telling me this once again why i decided to extend my stay and let me feel like i am a king and your mom being my concubine, or whomever you are related too.

    damn it i went against my word i fed the troll!

    • im sorry im sorry diwei. i didnt mean these words. but i do like the fact im getting 4S service like no other

      i do honestly believe in reunification someday of taiwan and mainland, but so long as the prc is run by a bunch of commies i wouldnt support it.

  27. Most of this is pure bullshit. It’s not about Taiwan and China, it’s about US and China.

    Despite what the Taiwan independence people would like to think, it’s economy will even be more intertwined with China in the future. Taiwan people are the most materialistic people of all the Asians I have met. China is taiwan’s number one importer nation and is also the place where Taiwan businesses invest the most. There will not no war between China and Taiwan because its elites and business community will do whatever they can to prevent Taiwan politicians starting up any type of shit.

    This time the US is trying to start up shit because China and Taiwan relationship is getting cozier. US is worried about losing influence in Asia and it’s essential that Taiwan remains under US control. If US really wanted Taiwan to be independent it would of advised Taiwan to build its own nukes. But instead the US stopped Taiwan from doing so, that way the US will continue its influence in the region.

  28. What’s the complaint? Let’s take a look at history and how our governments works. Sure, Taiwan is getting some weapons from the United States, for what? Only to be turned over to China to benefit its technology and future. If anyone believes that the China and the US are not dealing under the table for various weapons, they are fools. Our governments treat each other as step-children, yet when it comes down to it, these same step-children will stand side-by-side to defend one another’s principals. So again, why such a big deal on these items being sold to Taiwan(China under table.)? China and the US depend on one another too much to not to be working with one another in this matter. What we hear in public is just talk.

    • Dude, no we’re not. Simply put. It makes no logical sense for a US defense contractor to sell weapons to the Chinese who are their #2 competitor. First of all because the Chinese would simply want to know how you make it, steal the tech and then produce it under a glorious China banner. Working with each other? We certainly are. But trading the trade secrets only works if the other side has something to trade. The Chinese tech militarily is junk and their ability to mass produce it at low cost is becoming a bit of a bother nowadays with the advent of a well equipped unconventional force. If you think the Taiwanese are taking the tech from the UH-60 Nav system and tossing over to their buddies in Wuhan you’re sorely mistaken. There is no giant New World Order in which the Americans somehow play the dupe to the cunning Asian statesmen.

  29. I love how combative this forum has become, keep it up I’m starting to get bored with the winter break and this provides me with amusement.

  30. I don’t understand why China is upset about America selling defensive weapons to Taiwan.

    Is China planning an invasion of Taiwan?

    If not, there should be no worry.

  31. greatdiwei and roflcopter, what does it say about how you feel about your country when you think only people who are losers in their home country would want to come to China or spend time on the internet reading about it?

    • But it’s true. Most of the people who go to Asian countries, let it be China, Korea, or Japan, are losers in their own countries.

      When I was living in Japan the Gaijin, or foreigners, were divided into 3 groups. High paid professionals (investment bankers, general managers, etc living in Ropongi), Military (Marines stationed there), and English teachers (mostly living in small towns). The later group was considered the biggest losers, while the middle group (military) are considered to be the biggest troublemakers.

      In China it’s becoming the same, except there is no foreign military group. Sure, you get the General Manager level expats, but they are far and between. Each foreign subsidiary in China only needs a few, if not one high level foreign exec. Many if not most of the expats in China are English teachers.

      Personally I have nothing against English teachers in Asia, but the truth is that most of them don’t know how to teach and are bullshitting on their jobs. How many foreign English teachers in China actually have valid teaching certificates, or degrees in education? How many of them had prior experience in teaching ESL? To all these people “losers” is actually quite lenient. If anything, China should have laws to make sure that foreign professionals are qualified to do what they claim they can do in China. This goes for other professions too, such as foreign educated “lawyers” who don’t have the license nor the experience to practice law, and “doctors” who merely went through med school but never actually practiced.

      • How fucken qualified are you exactly LOLZ? I’ll have you god damn well know I went to school to be a teacher. Not ESL, but teaching is simply the ability to impart and nurture the impartment of knowledge. That being said you can take “loser” and shove it up your ass. I don’t know what you do for a living, but I doubt you do it with half the passion or the effort that I’ve seen in my 3 years of teaching. I work my ass off with a bunch of students who are Promethean in terms of the effort it takes to move them to participate. That being said I love my job and am exceptional at it. Just because you met some halfass dickwads on your tour don’t pass the buck on to me and my ilk. It takes all kinds in this world and labeling someone a loser because no one will hire you without five years and an MBA in some places is certainly an argument that does not hold water. I’ve met people who’ve graduated from Fudan who couldn’t teach someone the basic principles of Physics or fundamental economics. I’ve been examined by “Doctors” in China who after meeting them I wouldn’t trust with a pregnant cat. A piece of paper doesn’t make a teacher and a law degree doesn’t make a difference if the other side knows how to use logic and you don’t.

        • Haha.

          I am surprised no one even asked me to define what I mean by “loser”, yet all of you english teachers are supremely upset.

          I would like to remind you people once again, that this is just a website. So what if someone thinks someone else is a loser? Don’t tell me you haven’t bashed someone else based on stereotypes before. Most of the people here mock Chinese people all the time, so fucking what? There are exceptions but a lot of the stereotypes about Chinese are true, just like the stereotype about English Teachers which I brought up. If you have been bashing others before based on stereotypes, why get upset when its your turn to be picked on?

  32. America F YAHHH

  33. Any chinese person living in china that claims to know what the “People” want is a liar. And all chinese know in their own hearts that this person is a liar. The reason this is true is because no person living in china is allowed to know the truth about what people want, or to say the truth about what they want if it doesn’t jive with the great tongzi thinking. And since you know you aren’t allowed to disagree you know your country men are not allowed to disagree and so you know you are a liar when you say what the people want. This article is the penultimate example of the new imperialist chinas propaganda machine.

    • Yeah, and people who live outside of China or the expats whose allegiance are to other countries are the only ones who can claim to “know” what the Chinese people want.

      What you posted is no better than the pro-china posts from your average fengqing on the scale of bs levels.

  34. Indeed, a proletariat site.

  35. I don’t give a fuck about your nigger jungle music. Why dont you Google my ass.

  36. I give China 10 years max and then it’ll implode and it’ll serve them right hwen America suddenly turns round one day and says “we owe you no money, here’s a record of all the things you’ve stolen, copied and pirated”. Gotta see the looks on faces then, priceless!

    ROFL Mao

  37. Reagan used Military Keynesianism to get the US out of the 80s recession. Same thing happening here.

  38. remember a good 50c mofo shares the “party” view, not there “personal” views. gotta keep it real! Helicoptor City Girl!

    Tongzhi greatdiwei

    were here to read it. racism, sexism, nationalism, love it all baby! were here for you buddy! Life goes on!

    so from the topics of ESL, love and hate, back to the article,

    some new patriots, alot of blackhawks, new electronics,

    nothing new…

    happens all the time,

    You can buy an airplane ticket from half a dozen cities here, to Taipei, no more stop over in Hong Kong,

    could not do that a few years before,

    thats progress, thats new

    Dont let us get Harmonized!

    我们热爱和平! Yes or No?

  39. “In the past thirty years, China has already become a country that’s only looking for money.”

    What is more important: They think everyone else only looking for money too. And that is their strength. A unified theory about human nature.

  40. It’s really funny to hear Chinese people talk about stuff like they actually know history.

    Taiwan is a military protectorate of the United States. The US HAS to defend Taiwan. The Taiwan Relations Act is US DOMESTIC (ie PART OF the US) policy. The US has owned Taiwan since Japan signed it over to the US in the Treaty of San Francisco, and the US ALLOWS the ROC to live there and do their own thing. In 3 communiques, the US has simply ACKNOWLEDGED that China THINKS it owns Taiwan. The Chinese have decided that this means the US has given up the international rights to the island, because they are dumb.

    • Your mommma is owned by the US military. For frack’s sake get the issue right and try to read more than one paragraph of wikipedia before your dyslectic self convinces itself of the ‘facts of the case’.

      The only thing superior about the US military is its ability to lose wars. Well at least if they decide to return to Asia again, this time round they can claim they were beaten by more than just a few starving peasants.

      • Dear C&N. I did not get this information from Wikipedia. It is fact. China’s “claim” to Taiwan holds as much weight as China claiming it owns NYC because it has a Chinatown in it. The Chinese SIGNED OVER all rights to Taiwan in the Treaty of Shimonoseki after Japan kicked their asses in 1895. See article 2: http://www.taiwandocuments.org/shimonoseki01.htm I’ll assume you have a decent grasp of English because you used “dyslectic” properly, so pay special attention to IN PERPETUITY. For those who don’t know, that means FORVEVER. Now, Japan signed Taiwan over to the victors after WW2, IN PERPETUITY, and to this day the victor holds the legal rights to the island. Now, the majority of the forces of the victors was the US. The ROC in Taiwan don’t even own the damn island, and the US has purposely left it’s status as “undetermined”. Guess who gets to make that determination? Oh yeah, the US. As the victors. Of WW2 over the Japanese. Hence, Taiwan is a protectorate of the US military.

  41. If weapons are not sold no reseach and development can be done to improve them… what weapons R&D is the US really wanting to get done? why their missle shield tech. This is why Taiwan, Japan etc are buying up patriot missles as fast as the CCP is buying up American bonds, to give a little face to the guy in the fancy white house and build guan xi for later when the tech does work and there is a war, (or for the ccp when the economy improves and they want some income without uping taxs). Canada did not get into the patriot missle scheme, there was a plan years ago to put a perimiter boarder all around north america with these missels, however as the tech has proven rather worthless canada did not get in bed with militerism. If chinese are pissed off that surrounding governments are buying american weapons they had better pressure their government to stop buying american bonds… oh wait individuals dont have much sway in authoritarian nations.

  42. I HOPE WWIII GETS STARTEDF IN THIS MOTHERFUCKER YEAH!

    DEATH TO THE HUMAN RACE. YEAH!

  43. This is fuckin’ retarded. US is selling shit because it DESPERATELY needs money. All this crap about defending democracy is shit. I don’t see anyone helping Africa, the true shit hole of the world.

    Taiwan doesn’t stand a chance against China. If just one province of Chinese went on over to Taiwan, took a piss on it, the island would sink. If Taiwan was smart, it’d join China and become all powerful before it become completely useless to China.

    China, it’s just face now for them. They’d certainly welcome Taiwan’s money into their economy, but if they won’t join, no big deal. However, if China would actually use smarter politics, Taiwan might already be theirs again. The only ones to truly lose out is Taiwan who is being played like a puppet.

    WAKE UP TAIWAN!!!

    TRY TO CASH IN AMERICA!!!

    USE SMARTER METHODS CHINA!!!

  44. America sells arms to pay debts. China should not dictate how US Treasury redeem investors’ securities. Not sure how sanctions against Boeing is going to help?

  45. The US selling arms to Taiwan is of a defensive nature. Its part of the Taiwan Relations Act the US has enacted because it switch recognition from ROC to the PRC.

    Now if the US were selling offensive weapons, then that violates the US Relations Act.

    I think ‘soft power’ is becoming more valuable rather than ‘hard power’.

    Soft power includes attacks on network infrastructure e.g. Estonia by Russia.

  46. Taiwan will not give in to China, as China will not give in to taiwan. China has already declared in the past and still stand that it wants to re-unify. Taiwan does not and has never considered that as an option. Taiwan only wants to share financial prospects of cross straight relations but Taiwan as a whole will go out with a fight. Even with all the help from the US and other allies, Taiwan will get smashed if they were to only fight a battle on the island. This is a collaberative message with Taiwan and America that sure we maybe working together but I (taiwan dont want your system, don’t want your change, don’t want your policies, don’t want your migrant workers or your rich hogging up and ruinning our beautiful land. Eventually there will be no more Taiwan and it will look and feel just like china once forcefully returned. I can understand if the people

    China has missels pointed, Taiwan just wants you to fuck off and leave the money.
    Since thats not going to happen assuming the system work, Taiwan will atleast have a warning and running start to kiss their asses goodbye to china start converting to RMB.

    Sanctions on Boeing, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Funny When boeing came to china they bought up many of their competitors and thats just commercial. Boeing doesnt have to be in china. Boeing is international they can easily pack their shit up and go. Its already a big risk being in China and having trade secrets leaked. I hope this turns into a big trade war and we start over from scratch and see who comes out on top. American treasury used china money to pay for our defense. Give China the illusion we owe them money to keep them off our asses in hopes that they will get it back + all the other financial reasons they tell us.

    China doesnt have any real power to push for anything major like declaring a war outside their borders. Without western powers who is gong to finance your war. They should concentrate on building inside their nation.

    America is like windows. We put you in a position of need.

  47. What Chinese are pissed off at are not Taiwanese; but, loneliness…

  48. stop the hate! :O

    Why can’t we all just be friends!

  49. King tubby ive been in CHina too long plus I dont teach english nor was I an english major forgive me for my half assessed english.

    I was about to say the same thing as you. Bring it on. China will be confined to its own land. With the half assessed Navy, borrowed, stolen and old stealth technology, lack of air force or air force combat experience (simulations don’t count) Chinese infantry wouldn’t get even close to the shore of Guam to make a mark of war.

    Although america is not really winning the war in dirt nations like Iraq or Afghanistan. In the event of a war, just like when japan invaded your only chance of survival would be your millions of infantry and billions of civilians. Your allies are far from sufficient and not going to risk it. In that case we wont need to step foot on land or fire a single shell ashore. Our deep presence just outside your waters is suffice.

    China will suffer the same fate as North Korea relying on aid from other nations because of all the shipping and trade embargo enforced. Meanwhile all of foreign investors and companies that were once set up to help build the empire you thought you had will have no choice but to leave with their money. With a crippled economy just like Russia you will be forced to rethink the standoff. (cold war)

    Russia prepared us for this type of war, please pull the trigger I dare you. I will in-list for that cause.

  50. half assed not assessed

  51. China should not just be furious at the States for selling the weapon rather it needs to also point its finger at Taiwan for buying the weapons as well. Simply said, it takes two to tango and the blame should not be entirely shifted onto the U.S. Call it a free market if you will because this is basically just that. If China can invest in conflicted countries in Africa along with deal with Afghanistan (while Americans fought so hard for those mines only to see China get the deal). Then it needs to suck it up and take what it can dish out.

  52. There is more than one way to kill people. Biological warfare, chemical warefare, or nukes. I think biological would be the worst, but then again one would have to immunize the entire country to do biological warefare. Just saying.

    Missiles are for the fast.

    No china. You will never beat the US. As american born chinese and cantonese. FUCK YOu north fuck you!

  53. I’m shocked, I say! Shocked! I guess Taiwan’s government just doesn’t like China’s Communist Party. But then, who does?

    C. Custer–”After all, the ‘brothers’ on either side [of the strait] are not strangers.”

    Yes to unification, but under conditions favorable to the citizens of both countries, and ~NOT~ to the C.C.P.

    Anyway, did it ever occur to you that the Taiwanese in general have no desire to be ruled by Communists? What person fond of his own liberty desires this? Can you tell me that, C. Custer? Many ~mainland~ Chinese don’t like being ruled by Communists, and quite often ones with enough money emigrate to countries like mine. BTW, thank you, C.C.P., you tumorous cluster of club-wielding parasites… and would you please be so kind as to frighten more Chinese people to New Zealand. :-)

    • We’ve got enough mainland chinese in nz already causing trouble and chaos thanks! While some take our tax money for free, so no more please!!no more! OR least teach them how to respect other cultures instead of thinking all day everyday 24/7 that they are the strongest and richest nation in the world?

  54. China has been supplying the Iranians and Syrians with weapons and explosives, and these same weapons and explosives are being forwarded to Iraq and Afghanistan/Pakistan. Chinese weapons are killing US soldiers. So I have no problem with the US arming Taiwan. I’m only disappointed that we didn’t include more advanced weapons and systems, like the F-16. It’s all being done with China’s “feelings” being taken into consideration.

    It’s time for China to realize they are not going to be able to dominate Taiwan. The Island of Formosa is where Chinese nationalists sought refuge, and they are not leaving or being assimilated.

  55. on one side of my balls is china & on the other is america. now imagine that each side of my balls are being sucked by your mothers. my shit is gonna explode in your face as you watch.

  56. Taiwan doesn’t have a chance against today’s China. Sorry to say but they have a fighting chance of lasting more than a month. Since china’s is no where to being thinned out like the US, plus with Taiwan being so close. China could fight that battle the old fashioned way. Large amounts of people extreme use of their russian tech they have been calling their own.

    In the end Taiwan will become another Tibet and Xinjiang. They would become prisoners confined to the island.

  57. Err so US is selling Taiwan arms to pay back China? No wait what…

  58. this could be the beginning of ww3. it will be the u.s., taiwan, japan, s korea, india, uk, and australia vs. china, russia, and n korea? you see? at the end of the day taiwan has more friends and more powerful friends who would defend independence and democracy than china.

  59. Dan
    you forget Canada, Australia, UK, Germany, france, Sweden, Singapore, Philipines, the list goes on but I can’t name them all. Strategic allies to strategic locations.

    thegreatdiwei
    im not white nor do I defend the white man, but I can’t wait to riddle you with bullets.

  60. Really? So, let me get this straight. In this WW3 scenario, rather than busily running about shooting drafted Chinese ‘comrades’ in the back for deserting the Communist regime, you’d spend all your time hunting for some white guys having a fondle?

    Hmmm… Is this really a wise strategy?

  61. China is masking a huff testing the Obama administration. The tone from Washington seems quite standoffish since the Google incident. I can see more conflicts such as this and the Obama-Dali Lama meeting occurring. Washington seems deliberate in remindg the world who wears the pants in the sino-american relationship. Although the US military may be a bit stretched as the transition from Iraq to Afghanistan occurs it is in fact the most experienced army around aside from its obvious technological advantages.

  62. what a shame. I see idiot chinese making stupid comments, but when i see westerners making the same stupid comments i am disappointed. China is a cancer. they have no workers rights, no social support system, no soul. Stop confusing the people with the government. I have many chinese friends, but i seperate them from a government that uses force, coersion, propaganda, and nationalism to subjugate their own people as well as as those in many other conutries. Stop blaming america. How many americans are still in iraq compared to how many chinese are in darfur? Stupid liberal assholes!

  63. China is not really angry that America is selling arms to Taiwan. More likely China is angry that America is not selling the most advanced weapons to Taiwan, so that the pro-China spies in Taiwan can steal the weapons’ secrets.

  64. I find it more than a little ironic that China is making a huff and puff over this issue. After all, weren’t they more than happy to sell arms to Sudan while the whole Darfur thing was going on? Same with them shipping weapons to Zimbabwe (and shipping handlers in South Africa refused to unload the cargo). If they are willing to sell to any amoral government then they shouldn’t whine if someone else sells arms to someone they object to.

  65. They are pissed off because China didnt get a chance to sell their own version. Read this. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-01-11-china-missile-defense_N.htm

    Come on china we are not stupid? You can’t out sell the US this is what we do best next to meddling and all that secret spy shit, we sell shit that goes BOOM!!! If they can afford it and are on the friendly nation list we give it to them.

    Same thing with Bin Laden and the Arab Nations. Quite a bit of Arab nations gave private security to American firms to deter russia and later the terrorist. Ever since then Bin Laden has been jealous, kind of like Mao calling us cheaters with the bombs and Japan.

  66. Trains, planes, cars, rockets, telescopes, tires, telephones, radios, television, electricity, atomic energy, computers, and fax machines. All miracles made possible by the minds and spirits of men with names like Ampere, Bell, Caselli, Edison, Ohm, Faraday, Einstein, Cohen, Teller, Shockley, Hertz, Marconi, Morse, Popov. Ford, Volta, Michelin, Dunlop, Watt, Diesel, Galileo, and other “fat ass white caucasians”.

    The Chinese didn’t take gunpowder much beyond firecrackers and pyrotechnics. It’s true that China lead the world in technology and commercial inventiveness about 1,000 years ago. They had great coal-mining operations, gunpowder, six-masted sailing ships, and intense commercial enterprise. But it all collapsed because the elites, the long-nailed Mandarins, centralized control–1,000 years before Mao–and crushed the expansion and inventions.

  67. All modern inventions are just derivatives of electricity, mechanic and chemistry foundations. It’s easy to invent when the West is rich and stable while China is in turmoil from Mongol, Manchurian and Western incursion. Recent explosion of invention such as trains, planes and the rest mentioned above (starting 200 years ago) are a result of momemtum.

    Without paper, the West can’t spread knowledge to the masses. Without gunpowder, the West can’t conquered the New World defended by tribes with sticks and stones. Without compass, the West can’t navigate with certainty to “Rediscovering” the New World.

    • There is no point to brag about China’s 5000 or whatever year’s of history. The past is the past.
      The Western world is clearly more advanced than China. That’s why you have the concept of Industrialized nations vs developing nations, which China in the later group.

      Looking ahead though, it’s also pretty clear that China will excel in areas of science. If you have gone through some higher education in the US, you will find that almost half of all grad school and phd students to be Chinese. The US corporations will have the first pick to retain these talents, but with the US economy slowing down and Sinophobia rising more of these students will return to China along with their knowledge and experience.

      In the past, Chinese companies have been behind international competition. In areas like renewable energy China is becoming a clear leader. You will see more of that coming in the future.

  68. time to nuke china

  69. From the ashes rises the son of Fcuk Da Lu Ren!!! Vengence against the infadel Chimatrons must be made!! Their douschetastic comments will be accepted NO LONGER!!

    SOFDLR 万岁万岁万万岁!

  70. Today’s headlines in China Daily:

    Beijing FURIOUS at arms sales to Taiwan
    US Forces China to Boost Defense budget

    “What the US did this time will further impede possible improvements in their relationship, and the US hopes to learn more about China, its biggest competitor, through exchanges and communication,” Guo said.

    Can you please explain to me how exactly is China the U.S.’s biggest competitor and in what area. I think the Chinese really need to re evalute just where they are in the world stage.

    Its great to talk tough, but when the final decision comes to push the button, they WILL back down. If they really felt they were the biggest competitor, they would have taken TW back by now…

    The reality is, they are a bunch of pontificating, arrogant peasants who have a few toys.

    I say we encourage Japan to re militarize and just walk away and see what happens

    • “they would have taken TW back by now…” lol obviously whoever poste this statement is a dumbass because War is more than just invading, their are far more powerful weapons other than WAR and killing innocent people like how the United Stupid Ass did in IRAQ buddy!! Just sit and learn!

  71. Japan has been re-remitarized for quite a while now my friend. They also buy from us just like Taiwan, Korea Singapore and pretty much most of the well off Asian Pacific Nations other than China.

    Indeed China for now a substantial competitor, just not militarily. Just are attempting to succeed into get in that game. They beat us on Manufacturing just take look a look at all the shit closing down in North America alone VS. China building new factories left and right and this is what I can attest to being in Beijing. America’s last life line is its service sector and soon if we don’t get out of this funk then we can lose that India and China too.

    If there is a war that America can afford its this one with 1 common goal. To Cripple the competitions Economy. China will ultimately do what Russia did and put all their money saved up into defense, which is what we want (sort of). America does not need to build anything. Defense is stable. We just need to get fuck out of the middle east and let them just kill themselves. We can’t win a war with out being inhumane with inhumane people (towel heads can cut off heads for money but we can’t torture for answers.).

    Obama has been anti china since his campaign. For China and US relations is going to be a bumpy ride for the next 2-6 years. Let the hike in trade taxes, tariffs, sanctions, shipping embargo begin. I’ll be surprised if anything comes of it.

    • B REal I also want to point something else out. You stated that we are left with our “service sector” but let’s be honest. I am in America and though there is a tough spot in the job market (which is mostly overpaid blue collar retards) for the most part, Best Buy still has droves of people consuming and people making a living.

      Recession is not a new thing for us and we just need to re invent a little. I would take that any day over a cramped, overprice, overinflated egomaniac economy full of 80% peasants, some of which are in DIRE poverty (and third world ugly) any day.

      I would rather be poor in America, than a Fudan university graduate I tell you that for sure.

  72. @ tristar

    Have you noticed that European nations no longer piss and shit on the streets, side walks or on the floors restrooms? I can take you to any restroom public and private not including mine and show you puddle of piss and piles of shit and used toilet fully exposed for everyone to see and smell. Even the philipines can get that right. But I guess you guys haven’t are too busy stealing yourselves you forgot to evolve with the rest of society. Don’t act like china aint playing the white man’s game. You guys are the biggest thieves internationally. Copyright infringes left and right. I like it when American VIP comes to Beijing the Chinese GOV tells the fake vendors to shut down for a week. WTO has been getting in your ass lately for fake ipods, fake sony DVD players, fake Blue ray disk, fake software, fake brand name cell phones, fake Nikes, fake polo shirt, fake watches, digital cameras with names that don’t exist. Your whole country is fake even fake people wouldn’t buy the shit you pull out your ass.

    I wish china actually did follow some organizations rules. China would have to shut down and regroup.

  73. @B Real, agree with a lot of what you have to say, and when I say let Japan Re Militarize, I mean come out and say we are going to cut the constrains of the constitution and if you come into the “Dao You” islands you will be met with a fully authorized Japanese military welcoming.

    @lol, I tried to understand what the FCUK you were saying but you don’t make sense because you are a bumbling Chi Mate. However, if you look at the Iraq and Aganistan situation you will note the following:

    1. We now have a presence in the middle east smack dab in dune coon central (and yes B REal I agree we should just let them kill themselves, or even better we win, TAKE OIL, but that is the imperialist in me)

    2. Situation subsiding, we had a minimum of causulties, stabilization of the area (Iraq) probably a lot better than that was before we came.

    All that to be said I don’t really think we should have bothered in the first place and if we did, we should have just killed everyone and implanted naturalized Mexicans (cheap labor, loves america)

    @ B real again. Yes there is a manufacturing sector that has taken a significant bashing since the global (American) economic downturn. I agree, we should tit for tat though. Increase Tariffs to get to the real Chinese dollar value, since they are our “number 1 competitor” SMLOF (shart myself laughing on the floor)

    The truth of the matter is China is not powerful enough to really impose anything on anyone, you know what let them sanction, sanction back… Tariffs, eject Chinese spys from U.S. Universities, send a clear message who your daddy is.

  74. First, It’s all defensive weapons.
    Second, Its part of completing a contract that was created and signed back in year 2000 by former president Bill Clinton.
    If I were anyone complaning right now, I would just be thankful that America didn’t sell Taiwan nukes, A-bombs, and F-16′s.

  75. Lol, Chinasmack is a failure considering its original purpose.

  76. I think ROC and PRC already have secret deal.
    ROC gets as much American Tech, then they go, lol we were actually commies, and then CCP can reverse engineer everything.

  77. @ B-Real

    The Chinese evolved and civilized long ago before the European learn to eat with their forks and knives. Chinese have been using toilet paper at least a thousand years while the European use their fingers.
    I wouldn’t be surprise the other race is even more unsanitary if they were as poor and populated as China.

    History tell us every developed countries copies and steal other’s product designs and ideas, only the West are good at hiding their shameful past. China can’t stand the overpriced Western products so they make their own. Keep laughing at China’s products just like the West were laughing at the Japanese inferiority products at one time.

    • yeah but we now love Japanese cuz they heard what we had to say. They put quality and money together and gave us some good shit. I actually prefer japanese product over most.

      Ok so what is with the sticks. Why chops sticks in today’s time? How cave man is that compared to maybe a spork? That’s innovative, swiss army knife hell yeah!!!

      Im only discussing China and their 5000 years of sanitation. I realize today as I walk the street that I could be walking on some baby’s shit and piss. I look at the rivers and see garbage and shit flowing from the villages that sit in between sky rises in the middle of Beijing. Who still uses open sewage in 2010? I mean didnt we have the bird flu and SARS maleria and shit like that to worry about? Especially in the middle of a thriving city with millions. But China is the most civil? You win tristar.

  78. Akbar lo,

    You don’t realize that the shit US sells to other nation, China can easily get from those nations. China steals a hole mess military secret every fucking year. Shit we scrap half the shit they steal, and the other half has been out of the closet for over 20 years. What the ROC is getting is shit Obama rejected for Poland. Poland and the Gulf of Mexico is going to get the up to date shit. Plus Taiwan has no control over these systems. They simply paid to use them and for a period of until the time is right or we upgrade them for a price of coarse. Like I said before, Taiwan will get smashed but China wont get anywhere past that.

    • Ahla Akbar
      Yea, who are the top weapons producing nations in the world? who are the 5 permanent members of the security council? Economies of the neoliberal nations are floating on consumers AND weapons. who is supplying Burma… or not being pc Myanmar… Child soldiers vs Young possible nation… who’d you recklessly support?

  79. Supplement to “King Tubby”:

    Yes, almost forgot the only reason why the European worn all sorts of fake hair and wigs one time in the past was because lice and tick was rampant. The wig was worn to hide the unwashed hair and for some, baldness as a result of constant scratching damaged hair full of lice and tick.

    • Europe has oral Hygiene problems too. The list goes on for these guys. It it wasnt for those dark in history we would have never found out we could prevent those things with vaccines, showers, real doctors with real education, clean facilities, contained sewage, western toilets to keep the funk out. Eating from our own dishes!!! Man I wish chinese get rid of that tradition of sharing meals with chop sticks. is that why there is always hard liquor for dinner, to sterilize stomachs from illness the next day? All I can see is someone’s fucked up teeth with sticks in his mouth then reaching for some You mai chai. oh fuck, i cant eat my lunch now.

  80. Though I was born in Hong Kong, and my parents are born in Taiwan, I believe in freedom and peace. Freedom of will, want speech and rights is a necessity for any nation, country or person. Yes, the Americans are selling weapons for profit (don’t you sell items to gain money in your own pockets?). But the most important aspect is that history and facts is more important than opinion on wether Taiwan belongs to China. Ever since Chang Kai Shek retreated to Taiwan, there was no agreement or signed bill stating that Taiwan was under the communist rule. Factually, Taiwan belongs to the rule under the current leader (KMT party). Despite the fact that China claims that Taiwan belongs to them, it is best decided by the Taiwanese people collectively and not others for what is best for them. After all, if China has a seat in the UN, shouldn’t they follow the four freedoms the UN was founded and respect it?

    • Bingo Vincent hit it on the nail. But the UN believes China is right to act on Unification. Same thing like Israel. Legally it shouldn’t exist as its own state. So both are force to protect itself from being unified. The people don’t want to be re united with mainland and the GOV has been showing China just that. Hong Kong din’t want to be returned back to China. And everyday they try and figure out ways to keep beijing from fucking up their system after the 50 years is complete.

      Mainland to Hong Kong, I love crossing that border by train its like night and day. Read the political New Papers. They bash any politician from mainland to thailand. Hong Kong might have handed over the ownership but the lifestyle is great.

  81. If you got the balls, stop whining around here, go ahead and sell the weapons to Iraq, to north Korea, to whoever you think can piss America off. IF you don’t get the balls to do that, then stop screaming , stop putting on the blames on other American companies here, and most of all, stop minding other people and other countries business, maybe you are used to bossing people around in your own country, but somehow i n this world, there are people do not like to be boss around, and no one has the right to tell what shall other people do!

  82. I love this new crop of “foreigners” who are bashing these five mao morons. Gentlemen my father fcuk da lu ren salutes you from the grave!!!

  83. I think it is fair for China to sell missiles to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and Venezuela to anger USA as it did to China.
    USA is evil and trouble maker in the world who has killed millions of innocent people in Iraq ,Afghanistan and else where around the world with no blame on them from this civilized world. What a shame on us.
    It is time now for China to teach him a lesson this time from now on

  84. Taiwan is the stupidest area in this world to buy the outdated and far more expensive weapons others pay.
    No matter how developed weapons, they are finally in the hands of PLA.

  85. Taiwan is the stupidest area in this world to buy the outdated and far more expensive weapons others pay.
    No matter how developed weapons, they are finally in the hands of PLA.

  86. China should drop a nuke bomb to Taiwan to resolve the problem once and for all if Taiwan tries every way to deny its origins from China ranging from language, culture, nationality and gold reserve.

  87. why does china need to sell to north Korea, when they can make it themselves. Have you noticed that the only thing Communist states are good for is oppression of their own, and knock off anything? North is probably the guys making chinese goods for the Chinese. To keep it real cheap for the broke assess of china. If any of even hung out near north east china (Dong Bei) that area is wear you can find allot of heavy duty Military equipment. Where do you think its coming from?

  88. Taiwan purchase of overpriced American not-so-advanced defensive weapons is another form of paying for American protection. Besides, the American would never trust anyone especially the Chinese with the latest weapons. I wouldn’t be surprise most of the exported weapons has a built-in homing device that acitivated in a time of conflict with the US. There is a potential that the weapon will self-destruct the minutes China successfully invaded Taiwan and get a hands on those weapons.

    • right.

      read my post below.

      It’s rejected second-hand, malfunctioning stuff fronm the Turks, even requiring additional, very cost-intensive repairs by the Taiwanese themselves.

      Maybe China should sell the poor NRA some of their equippment, which is not only rather cheap, but also actually working, very reliable and rugged.

      Just for the lulz?

    • If America REALLY wanted Taiwan to stand on its own Taiwan would of had nukes already. Instead in the 70s the US did whatever it could to prevent Taiwan from developing its own nukes. Today the US is still closely monitoring Taiwan’s weapon capabilities. If Taiwan goes for nukes you can bet that the US will join China’s side to bring the program down.

      • You actually think they dont? You bet your ass they do. At least tactical nukes and possibly even ICBMs. They’re not stupid. They’re the sequel to Israel the movie. They know that nukes are simply one more detterent to a big zhong guo boot up their ass.

  89. greatdiwei

    great fenqing or GREATEST fenqing?

    Anyway, I already like you.

    In other news; Those weapons sold to Taiwan are overpriced second-hand hardware, rejected stuff from the Turkish Armed Forces, who are even require some additional 100 million USD for maintenance to make them actually work.
    Taiwanese military observers and military interested netizens are already raging about it like the fucking angry fist of the north star or something.

    Poor Wanwans; always getting betrayed by everyone – even by your ‘friends’, the Americans… This is why you cant have nice things ;__;

  90. Taiwan is way too poor to develope nuke even with the expertise of the American. Besides, China already successfully detonate their own atomic bomb in the 1960s. What make you think a small island with nuke can wage an all out nuclear war with success? That’s suicidal. China will immediately invade Taiwan the minutes it is in the process of developing an atomic bomb.

    It’s not right for a foreigner (ie. American) to intervene on another’s countrie’s civil war. Can’t blame the American wanting to continue the status quo on the benefit of spying of China’s electromagnitic signal from a close distance along the Strait of Taiwan cheapily. China currently at a disadvantage when it come to sea transport of goods and oil as well as in time of war without the control of the Taiwan Strait.

    • It doesn’t take that much money to develop nukes. It takes expertise and more importantly raw materials and parts.

      Taiwan started its own nuke program after China in the 60s. By mid 70s the CIA’s planted mole in Taiwan reported that Taiwan will likely to build its nuke in 5 years. This scared the shit of all American politicians over a nuke showdown, so President Ford pressured Taiwan to stop its program.

      I am not sure if China would of nuked Taiwan first had Taiwan pursued its nuke program, but the US was clearly afraid of other Asian allies following Taiwan’s footsteps and develop their own weapons. This would certainly diminish US’ influence in the region.

      Personally I don’t mind America messing with other countries. Each nation should focus on its own interests before anyone else’s. It serves America’s self interest to keep China at war with Taiwan so of course America will continue to sell weapons to Taiwan and fund the independence movements in China. It’s not a matter of right or wrong.

      What I do mind is the hypocrisy behind all of this. America is helping Taiwan because of Democracy? That’s bullshit. America helped Taiwan when it was a brutal dictatorship fresh off killing tens of thousands of natives, just as America helped numerous other dictatorships sometimes even to topple legit democracies. “Freedom” is just another bullshit concept forced on by Western nations to serve in their own self-interest. Iraq needs “freedom”, which is exactly why the US/UK had to bomb the shit out of it. This is also exactly why when Palestinians democratically elected Hamas, you never hear any of the Western world praising “democracy” in Palestine anymore. Instead the Western nations made numerous attempts to punish and destroy Palestine’s democracy.

  91. LOLZ, I agree with your views and facts. Of course I don’t think China will nuke Taiwan with any issues or conflicts in the future, but China will do something extreme knowing Taiwan will likely succeed in becoming indepentant with poccession of nukes.

    Historically, the U.S. toppled many foreign leaders who has hostile foreign policy against the American or that country has geostrategic important to the U.S., and then install a puppet leader, doesn’t matter if they are democratically elected.

    Many people doesn’t know U.S of America is NOT a DEMOCRATIC country, it is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC under capitalist system. Democratic system proves unstable when the Greece tried 2 thousand years ago. That is why the American keeps on promoting democracy around the world.

  92. I find the Taiwanese people are more friendly and civilized not only because they are getting lonier each passing years with more countries shifting to the Mainland China camp… they need as much outsider to support their cause, that is their hidden agenda. Also, Taiwan government didn’t inject as much poisonous grievances of historical baggages and humiliation against foreign incursion as much as China.

    Everything has a price tag in contemporary money-crazy China, even friendship. Can’t blame them, who know when the PRC suddenly closed China’s door to the outside world tomorrow.

  93. The reason there’s alot of military hardware in northeast china is because Norinco and Shenyang Aircraft corporation are headquartered there….not because North Korea supplies China with weapons Lol. Seriously B-real the shit you say is fucking ridiculous.

    That’s like conjecting “Since you can see alot of military hardware and equipment in California, it’s because Mexico supplies the US

  94. Like I said before Obama never had any kind words for China since the campaign trail.I can’t wait to see the actions of China after the shit Obama going to pull out of his ass. He looking to shake some shit up with China. Please pull some more stunts. I hope more negative comes out of this. Bring some of that old fashioned patriotism we (American) use to have. I say fuck em, lets build a ring let them duke it out to the death. The winner wear the pants for a year, then every year after that do the same shit.

  95. haha, i do love this poorly concield communist party line made to insite feelings, china tiwan don’t want to be part of you get over it !

  96. i find it funny that no one has really defined the argument. Taiwan is free – the people can read what the want, say what they want, learn what they want. They can support their government or they can protest. You can’t do that here in China. It is not USA versus China. It is freedom versus authoritarianism. The most striking thing is when i talk to supposedly the best and the brightest China has to offer, and they all complain about the government and their desire for more freedom and democracy. But, they are the first ones to denounce the arms sale to Taiwan. Just brainwashed fools, thats the best you will find here. Ready to fight for nothing more than nationalistic pride. If you look at history, which so many here are fond of ding, you will see that history has supported the idea that the victor fights for an idea and principle, not land, not a spot on the map. Every time i visit this site, its the same – more fucking retards.

  97. I hate to say it but the big banner of “FREEDOM” is NOT everything in life. Can freedom feeds and cloths billions of poor rural Chinese? Can freedom prevented chaotic and splitting of China with its current poorly educated and rational population? It take China 300 years of decline and Chinese people won’t mind if it takes another 10×30 years (since 1979) of gradual reform and steady openning to ideas of freedom. If China has the longest continuous civilization on Earth for 5000 years with its mantality of how to governed its people, I’m pretty sure China can continue for another 5000 years without freedom. Let see how long can American empire or civilization can last.

    I see a trend of gradual authoritorian rule and a tighter grip and control of its citizens in North American each passing years. Let see if system of freedom can manages a population of a billions American in the far future.

    • You’re an idiot.
      You actually wish a lack of freedom on the world?
      You actually believe that your outlook on life should always be, ‘no, I have no right to know about that information or make that choice, because I am an idiot, I am irrational and it might cause friction in my country?’

      Read 1984. And then re-read it, but this time with the idea that it is not describing the futures as the totalitarian paradise of your dreams, but a chilling glimpse of where humanity could easily head.

      Yes, the UK invaded Iraq, despite large scale protests against the government. Information was leaked, everyone knew there was no weapons of mass destruction. Blair even went to trial…It didn’t turn into mass riots and a nation of laowais ‘going wild’.I think it’s important that a nation questions its government. They are, after all, just people too, not some celestial beings that have the ability to rain down on the earth like the wrath of Zeus.

  98. Freedom is evrything, it is as vital as breath. If you think otherwise, take a close look at the faces of those around you. Also, the communist government does NOT feed or clothe the billion rural poor in this country. They are forced to leave their homes for large cities where the system forces them to work as slave laborers all for the sake of giving the leaders some economic growth numbers they can spew out in the daily propganda rags. China’s economic succeess in recent years is the result of labor laws that are nothing more than unofficial slavery. You don’t feed the poor, you dont clothe the poor – your system eats away at the souls of the poor. But, some in China are getting very, very, very rich . . . . I wonder who they are? And, I’m sure India (which is the world’s most populous country now) is doing very well with democracy. Are you saying 1.3 billion Chinese can’t do what 1.3 billion Indians are doing as we speak????

    • >>And, I’m sure India (which is the world’s most populous country now) is doing very well with democracy.

      whatthefuckamireading.jpg

    • “Freedom is evrything, it is as vital as breath.”

      Jesus fukking christ put down the kool-aid.

      If freedom is everything then why the hell do you have so many laowais in China? In the context of Taiwan, some 5-10% of its most educated population are living in China permanently. Why don’t all of them leave?

      “You don’t feed the poor, you dont clothe the poor – your system eats away at the souls of the poor.”

      Wow, how mighty progressive of cmfeirs. I can hardly believe this is the same cmfeirs who wrote the following on Politico:

      “I have taught in China for the last 3 years, and you progressive morons can’t see the horrors of socialized medicine coming your way. Progressives are idiots and have derailed the American dream.” Posted By: cmfeirs | September 10, 2009 at 02:59 AM

      Ah yes, progressive policies in China = good. Progressive polices in USA = bad. There you have it, just another two faced hypocrite. And to think I almost regretted bashing foreign english teachers the other day.

  99. The basic logic is no form of government in existence can maintain freedom without achieving FIRST the neccessity of life: Air, water and biological nourishment. One can’t survive without air for a few minutes, water for a few days and food for a few weeks.

    Freedom can happen ith a small population and abundant of natural resources such as in the early colonial America, but not starting with a billion people and resources hungry China. The next task after fulfilling one’s stomach is basic educated population. An uneducated citizens will ignore the Rule of Laws set out by the Constitution and eventually freedom of human rights and democracy will break down eventually. Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea are a few example where a strong grip from the government is need early years of its newly formed Constitution and new system of governance.

  100. @cmfeirs, I think you’re a young lad with utopian and simple idealistic view of this world.

    First, the Chinese did not force the rural population to look for jobs in the city.

    Second, you can’t have the cake and eat it too. With China’s currently situation, “slave labour” wages is a must-go-through initial stages especially with 100 of millions of people vying for jobs. The very riches few are a side-effect of a capitalist-run system.

    Yeah, I believed India can achieved great wealth somehow and somewhere in the far future with its demon-crazy and inefficient buraucratic government, probably 10 times longer than China to achieve the same thing.

    • The naiive attitude of most westerners towards developing countries such as China is pretty much like the attitude of Marie Antoinette towards the starving people of Paris during the French Revolution.

      “What? Paris’ commoners have no bread to eat? Why wouldnt they simply eat cake instead?”

      nothing new here.

  101. LOLZ

    1. “Freedom is evrything, it is as vital as breath.”

    Jesus fukking christ put down the kool-aid.

    Only the words of someone who has never experienced Freedom or someone who has never had it taken away.

    2. If freedom is everything then why the hell do you have so many laowais in China? In the context of Taiwan, some 5-10% of its most educated population are living in China permanently. Why don’t all of them leave?

    Don’t you understand? They are free and they can leave whenever they choose. That is why they are free.

    3. “You don’t feed the poor, you dont clothe the poor – your system eats away at the souls of the poor.”

    Wow, how mighty progressive of cmfeirs.

    How long is China going to repeat the mistakes made by the West? If you don’t see slavery when you alk into an restaurant or factory in Beijing, then you are a blind fool. I was actually waiting for some genius to mention that it was OK, because western powers built their economies upon the backs of slaves 200 years ago.

    4. I can hardly believe this is the same cmfeirs who wrote the following on Politico:

    “I have taught in China for the last 3 years, and you progressive morons can’t see the horrors of socialized medicine coming your way. Progressives are idiots and have derailed the American dream.” Posted By: cmfeirs | September 10, 2009 at 02:59 AM

    Ah yes, progressive policies in China = good. Progressive polices in USA = bad. There you have it, just another two faced hypocrite. And to think I almost regretted bashing foreign english teachers the other day.

    Actually, that remark wa directed at the Westerners who were bacing Obamas health care package. You should have mentioned that before you made you two-faced hypocrite remark. There you have it, just another blind fool.

    And for Tristan,

    The basic logic is no form of government in existence can maintain freedom without achieving FIRST the neccessity of life: Air, water and biological nourishment. One can’t survive without air for a few minutes, water for a few days and food for a few weeks.

    Well, it seems the party has done such agood job with the first 2 that I wont even bother touching on the third. After 30 years, they have really done a good job of providing lean air and drinkable water to everyone. I mean, I drink water out of th tap in Beijing evveryday – love it. When you say something so ridiculously stupid, I can’t eve waste time on the rmainder of your flawed argument.

    • The Chinese can’t leave whenever they want. No country wants them.

      • I don’t mind those who don’t share my views, but I do hate liars and hypocrites. Cmfeir you are clearly both.

        1. I would stop making assumptions about people who you don’t know.

        2. They are free to leave yet they don’t. Political freedom clearly isn’t worth nearly as much as you think it does.

        3. You are bullshitting.

        4. This is the part where I called you a hypocrite and a liar. Your original post was related to to the incident where congressman Joe Wilson yelled “you lie” during Obama’s healthcare speech. The post before yours was bashing Wilson for his rudeness. Your post was to defend Wilson and bash Obama’s Universal Healthcare proposal.

        http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/A_voice_from_the_floor_on_illegal_immigrants_Lie_Page3.html

        You are a hypocrite because on the US messageboard you were clearly a conservative against Obama’s progressive proposals to help the poor. Yet on ChinaSmack you are accusing China of not doing enough to help to poor.

        You are a liar because instead of admitting to be a hypocrite when I called you out, you lied about your original position with the hope that people here could not understand English well enough to figure out your position.

  102. The Chinese are the niggers of the world – working 10 hours a day 30 days a month for $128… How can the world ever take this society seriously?

    So theres 1.3 billion of them. That just means theres a hell of a lot of stupid people in one country. They have no geniuses. They are not clever people. They don’t invent anything – they just steal the rest of the world technology and patents and copy it. They can’t think for themselves and just follow whatever Beijing tells them.

    Taiwan should be independent, as well as Hong Kong.

    I hope the US nukes China and soon. They deserve it.

    China will never have the respect of the free world.

    • If you are going to bash China with multiple accounts at least choose a decent alias. Naming yourself after a music group is tacky enough, but Ja Rule? He sucked hard, kinda like you actually.

  103. LOLZ

    Thanks again for your re-post dumbass. First, I refuted all your bullshit claims and your attempt to call me a hypocrite. You then responded by admitting I was right, when I mentioned I was referring to calls for socialized medicine in the US. Do you actually understand he word “progressive”? Do you understand the meaning of the word of progrssivism as it relateds to American politics? Stop trying to twist words to make ourself sound right. You were the one who tried to correlate my earlier words about a health care debate in the US with my words about freedom and the immoral acts of the Chinese government against the porr in their own country. When I called you out on it, you obfuscate behind your liberal wall of bullshit. Say hello to Ted Kennedy for me. There;s a reason people didnt vote for another dumbass liberal. Let me refute the points you made that countered my argument.

    1. I don’t mind those who don’t share my views, but I do hate liars and hypocrites. Cmfeir you are clearly both.

    1. I would stop making assumptions about people who you don’t know.

    You clearly do mind those who disagree with your views or you wouldnt have responded with such trivial bullshit as this, because it lacks any substance to any of the arguments either you or I made previously.

    2. 2. They are free to leave yet they don’t. Political freedom clearly isn’t worth nearly as much as you think it does.

    They don’t leave because they dont have to. They won’t go to jail or be tortured in some backroom because they said somehing on the street or in a restaurant. They simply get deported. And don’t be sa fucking imecile and bring up the drug smuggler from the UK. You’l just embarass yourself again. Foreigners are more free in Beijing than the Chinese themselves. If you try to argue against that, you should join Obama’s staff.

    3. 3. You are bullshitting.

    Really? Why do you say that? Is because you were caught bullshitting about my psosition on progressivism as compared to socialism in a revios post from . . . ohhhh, what was it , , , September 10???? You really made yourself look like fucking tool with that one.

    4. 4. This is the part where I called you a hypocrite and a liar. Your original post was related to to the incident where congressman Joe Wilson yelled “you lie” during Obama’s healthcare speech. The post before yours was bashing Wilson for his rudeness. Your post was to defend Wilson and bash Obama’s Universal Healthcare proposal.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/A_voice_from_the_floor_on_illegal_immigrants_Lie_Page3.html

    You are a hypocrite because on the US messageboard you were clearly a conservative against Obama’s progressive proposals to help the poor. Yet on ChinaSmack you are accusing China of not doing enough to help to poor.

    You are a liar because instead of admitting to be a hypocrite when I called you out, you lied about your original position with the hope that people here could not understand English well enough to figure out your position.

    Isnt that exactly what I said in response to you?????? that I was talking to Western comments about the health care package in the US???? Wasn’t it you who tried to make it look like I was talking about something else???? I think you need to look up some definitions, boy. Wanting to take care of the poor does not mean socialist or progressive. it means morally centered. Stop trying to bullshit your way through PoliSci 100. You never addressed my first question, asshole, why defend a system that does not care for the poor, but rather enslaves them? Here’s another one you cannot answer – If the Mainland and Taiwan have a problem . . . if it really is a civil war, then shouldn’t there be some overriding idea behind the scenes that drives it? For example . . . slavery, as in the American Civil War? Repression, as in the Velvet Revolution? Why do Chinese people want Taiwan to suffer??? If Puerto Rico declared independence would US citizens be clamoring for blood???? Give me something good to throw bak in your retard face. Your last one was too easy.

    • “Say hello to Ted Kennedy for me. There’s a reason people didnt vote for another dumbass liberal.” -cmfeirs @ 3.36pm

      “I am a financial conservative and a liberal.” -cmfeirs @ 8.50pm

      LOL cmfeirs do you even read what you write? How is it that you go from hating liberals in one post and some 5 hours later declare yourself to be a liberal in another post?

      “They don’t leave because they dont have to.”

      No shit. They don’t have to because political freedom is clearly not the most important thing in their lives.

      “Wanting to take care of the poor does not mean socialist or progressive. it means morally centered. ”

      So let me get this straight, you don’t want Universal Healthcare in the US which would exclusively benefit the poor who cannot afford insurance and call that “morally centered”. Yet at the same time you want the Chinese government to be more involved in the private sector by providing extra services to Chinese.

      “You never addressed my first question, asshole, why defend a system that does not care for the poor, but rather enslaves them?”

      I have not answered the question because I find it more fun to bash your as a hypocrite and to piss you off. It’s clearly working because you are foaming at the mouth. Plus, why would anyone answer to your stupid straw man arguments? For example, how do you determine that China does not care for its poor? Because if you look at poverty rates you will easily find that in the last two decades China has done better to reduce poverty than any other nation in history. Making comparison to India was also a stupid idea as other already picked up.

      “Why do Chinese people want Taiwan to suffer?”

      LOL Another straw man argument.

      ps cmfeirs why do you use multiple question marks at the end of your questions like this??????? It makes you look even more confused.

  104. and don’t try to claim that bashin Wilson’s outburst, whih was silly and juvenile, disqualifies from bashin Obama’s socialized health care proposal. That is not hypocritical. One is bashin the methods of dissent, while another was bashing the effectiveness of health care legislation. 2 totally different thing. Got anything else?????

    • “Got anything else?????”

      Yes, on your previous post you mentioned that you taught for 3 years in China. As a teacher, how do you feel about using spell checkers when posting on the internet?

  105. “People would give up their freedom for a good pair of shoes”, my beloved son Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote.

    There is a little Mephistopheles in each of you. Especially in places where you have killed me, GOD…be it China, America or France.
    You have replaced me with the Pursuit of:
    - Pleasure
    - Power
    - and the most innane of all: Happiness

    The pursuit of these three scourges leads to DESPAIR, ALIENATION and HATRED. Exactly where China and America are now.

    Still, the Good will Triumph

  106. Jones,

    We may or may not be on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but I have enjoyed and respected your logic and our wit.

  107. I am a financial conservative and a liberal. Too difficult for most too understand here besides ourselves.

  108. Hey, God . . . . go fuck yourself! Anyone who thinks they speak for God is a moron. Go ask Osama what God thinks you fuckin cunt!

  109. is reunification ans subjugation the same thing thing? I mean, in the eyes of the Chinese?

  110. I think “Ja Rule” is short for “Japanese Rule” meaning there is a possibility he’s a Japanese who simply hated China because he think China embarrasses the Japanese race. “Nuke China”? What China done to you or your race for the last thousand years? Why not hate the American for nuking yours two cities or is it you’re so white-washed to the point of forgiving.

    “China are the nigger of the world”? Japanese are so self-conscious of their short stature they wasted no time in important tall and robust races from northern China and Korea during WWII.

    Your’re simply stating all the negative facts about China without thinking about the inter-relationship between facts.

  111. @xiaomoogle,

    “I’m an idiot”? Which point did I make revealing that I support supported less freedom? I want China to work toward freedom gradually and steadily without causing another chaotic period like the Great Leap. Each country should chooses its own unique roads to prosperity based on its historical and current facts, not listen to some Western empty rhetorical of high moral.

    Yes, I have read “1984″ and Adolf Huxley’s “Brave New World” and grow to loath, IN OUR VIEW, the chilling world of alternative system.

    Do you have any ideas EVERY countries have its own censorship? China happens to have over a billion people, hence needed stronger censorship that will prevents distabalizing the government rule, I’m afraid to think otherwise. Do you want the world to be flooded with Chinese immigrants escaping from the chaos of China?

  112. @cmfeirs,

    I admitted China have many problems espcially the environment, but one can’t develope a country at this speed without causing side-effects. Majority of the world’s population, 80%, don’t have access to clean water or even air. I would rather wants China to have a strong and RELATIVELY dirty enironment than a week China where every developed countries wanted to envaded and carved out as they did the the past.

    There are no magic bullet to developement, all China can do is balance the situations. Majority of the environmental problems of the world are due to Western relentless consumption, their wealth is mainly derived from making waste and wastfulness. Over 50% of Chinese export are owned by foreigner and joint venture. If you care about the world, why don’t you stop consumming, espicially from Chinese’s goods.

  113. @Jones,

    Just look at all the U.S. military bases around the world and the size of its military industrial complexe and expenditures. Don’t tell me is because they wanted world peace (instead of pieces) by militerizing and policing the world. Haven’t we all learn the constant war and minor conflicts (ie toppling foreign leaders) the U.S. has in its history? Westerner learn to adopt “survival of the fitest” mentality through Dawinian Theory of Evolution since that time. Western notion of “born with a sin” while Chinese philosophy and believes that a man born with an innocent mind is enought to prove to me China needs to weary Western intentions.

  114. The West might not risk taking a path of war with China now but that doesn’t mean it won’t constantly trying to destabalizes and splitting or preventing reunification of China: Tibet, Xinjiang & Taiwan. I’m pretty sure British, American and Japanese are just as paranoi about China’s plotting for vengean somewhere in the future timeline.

  115. “Don’t reply without an answer to this.”? I’m sorry, but I don’t have to answer to your demand, I have my “freedom” and say what I want. I’m here to debates and learn different point of views, I don’t get PERSONAL by calling other’s are “idiot”, I don’t get angry, what’s the point?

    Everybody know American is has one of the strongest religious view and believes in the world. That is why the Founding Father separate religion from politic afraiding the majority of religious American will disrupt and corrupt the government. No wonder the majority of American hate atheist-running China.

  116. Well, where should I began…, too many to mention. Why don’t you asked the British, the American inherited dirty politics from them. The minutes Mao celebrate the founding of modern China in 1949, the CIA executed a coup with the Tibitian for indepentant.

    How come the American didn’t prevents the Chiang Kai’s Nationalist from “immigranting” and taking over Taiwan? Obviously they’re Chinese. The American government stress that “there can only be one China” imply Taiwan in their foreign policy yet maintain the status quo in the mean time hoping one day to give back Taiwan to China once China become a democratic country.

  117. Tristan: most Americans don’t like the PRC government. They have good opinions about the Chinese people. Also, any support the US gave Jiang Kai-Shek has to be taken in the context of the Cold War. We had a red scare. Anyone who wasn’t “communist” was our friend, and we kept ugly company back then. No politician could cut him off financially without losing the next election. Most American officials hated Jiang, even though the country backed him.

  118. Thanks for enlighten me but I still believe in my own view toward the world. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the Communist but to me, CCP has done a great job in prospering China for the last 30 years without Mao, and the best system in maintaining China from separation.

    Need to head out for a good “night” out…

  119. Well maybe China will think twice about getting chummy with Iran. The US isn’t dividing China and Taiwan, China is unifying the US and Taiwan. The Taiwanese government wants to stay out of China, in order to keep it that way you have to get some means of protection. In this case the response by the US was “Will that be cash or credit?”

    Maybe Taiwan would like China if they didn’t persecute anyone with a differing view. Maybe Taiwan would like China if it recognized it as a separate territory. Maybe Taiwan would like China if all its netizens stop musing about invading Taiwan. And now it won’t happen since Taiwan is the new owner of more than 100 Patriot missiles and a bunch of others.

  120. India has better army than china.

  121. China does have some pretty females…

  122. hi great chinese i swear i greatly proud of your brave and ur great guts ..i just wanna say USa will be fucked off and terminated by the great chinese i am not chinese but i do love china’boldness the region only who is able to stop the white ass of americans.not like the pupets and hypocrites india ..long life to china long life to china and chinese ..fruitful future..Your supporter arabic king..and to the idiots Nikhilesh who the hell u say indian has stronger army shut ur trap india is just stupid countery totally depended on USA and the west support u have this software braging about it is not sustainable u have only cheap menpowe that is it ..shut ur ass aboout china or else they will hack ur ass and injure it…LOll…..Long life china..

  123. To Nikhilesh it is damn foolishness for india to compete China u just lend ur ears to the fawningly to the USA and the west and if u got a chance u can compete pak and afg..only this ur limits..keep in ur mind ya foolish indians USA will never allow u to be superpower…LOL.

  124. Has anyone answered the question “Why do the Chinese want Taiwan?” Is is just pride? If it is, then you are Nazis.

    • It’s not just pride. It’s a very deeply ingrained belief that the Chinese people should be unified.
      5000 years of recorded history can attest that unification under one nation/dynasty is a regarded very highly, almost essential to the people and culture. This is one of the things Confucius preached back then.

  125. This is the SAME DEAL as China trading weapons to Sudan (which funds the Janjaweed and the genocide in Darfur) for their oil. VBD.

  126. i don’t understand why u need to find someone to blame. if the taiwanese wanted to join china, they would – simple. what right does any man have to determine the fate of another? and about responsibilty, china doesnt want to take any responsibility for the global financial crisis with respect to flooding western markets with underpriced goods, but yet they think just cause the u.s. sells stuff that they bear total responsibility.

  127. Have PRC and KMT both build robots that’ll battle it out to decide the outcome.

  128. Nah, you dont want to start a war unnecessarily. I mean over Taiwan? Starting World War III over such a small island? If it has to be done, then it wont be over Taiwan, it would just be an excuse, there would be a much bigger agenda behind it. Its like US invading Iraq, is it really over weapons of mass destruction or over oil? The toppling of Suharto’s regime, is it really because the students saw through his decades old corruption behaviour – which was plainly obvious? Or was it because he started to wring free of US hold thus denying US plenty of investment opportunity?

  129. Quite a few people have already mentioned it. But this sort of back and forth banter over Taiwan between the US and China is mostly theatricals, a two country PR stunt if you will. Both powers sure as fuck don’t want the Taiwan Strait to cause WW3, and little Taiwan ESPECIALLY doesn’t want that since it would be their asshole that would be devastated from “It’s Fuck Time!”.

    The US and China know they have to put on a show for their own respective reputations and populace. The United States wants to show people they still have an influence in East Asia, whether it be a military presence in Japan and S-korea, or selling weapons to Taiwan. In the eyes of the US populace they are seen as “helping” democratic david survive against communist goliath. On the Chinese side, a lot of mainlanders wish to see Taiwan eventually return to the fold, and view any foreign incursion as insulting. So the Chinese foreign minister will scold the Americans and give them the finger publicly.

    The truth of the matter is, everyone likes the current status quo. As long as Taiwan doesn’t insult China by declaring independence, China will be content at the moment with Taiwanese investments to the mainland. Militarily, Taiwan cannot do shit to the Mainland, and would be viciously raped in a real invasion. If you see what the bulk of this defense package includes, it’s just newer F-16′s (block 50-52 level), PAC3′s and Apache’s. China could eat those up and shit them out. There is no way China is at all “threatened” by this as they would go through that defense package like a lubed dick through a giant vagina.

    On the US’s side, this is more of a benefit to Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, etc and all those defense companies, as they find themselves with lucrative contracts worth billions. All the more sweeter for them since Taiwan can only buy from the US due to Chinese pressure internationally, making their deals exclusive.

  130. The best thing to ever come out of China is
    it’sbeautiful women..otherwise…nothing is
    there…peace.

  131. i blame the taiwanese govt. it seems like they have learned nothing from history. if the kmt and ccp would join forces in ww2, maybe china would not get its ass kicked so bad. now its the same thing. taiwan still fighting with ccp to make it easier for foreigners to attack.

  132. This article sounds like the propaganda published by the CCP. The author talks about who America’s foreign policy and actions is all about profit. Profit now (even if it is a little profit), repair damage later. Americans is about money, money, money. I find it interesting that some Chinese can criticism but be such hypocrites without examining one’s own actions.

    US caring only about money? What about China’s foreign policy in regards to Sudan and Iran. Do they really care about the Sudanese or Iranian people or are they in the business of protecting it’s self interest of securing national resources (oil, copper, etc.) and turning a blind eye. How is China selling arms to Iran not interfering in Iran’s affairs and sovereignty?

    China also strong-arms countries that disagree with them with economic and political tactics or just changes international regulations as it wishes to serve China’s national interest. Examples:

    -China cancels high-level talks and high profile contracts with France after the Olympic torch protests.

    -China accuses (4) Australian nationals working for Rio Tinto because the company would not lower it’s iron ore prices sold to China. The ore was set at the same price as those sold to other countries like Japan, India, and S. Korea but China wanted Rio Tinto to sell it to them cheaper.

    -Chinese strong arms tiny nation of Palau and Switzerland for agreeing to take Uighurs.

    -When is China going to live up to it’s WTO commitments? Oh wait, it’s not in their national interest so let’s make a mockery of their rules. We want the benefit of other countries opening up their markets for China’s good but we will impose all kinds of bull-shit rules to make it hard for other to do business in China so we can protect our domestic industries. China joined the WTO over 10 years ago– where is the promise to open your financial markets? What about the proposal that governmental procurements go to firms developing “indigenous Chinese technology” (i.e. Chinese firms)? Your government cries “protectionism” foul when other countries propose that their stimulus money goes to creating jobs in their homeland but when the CCP has “Buy China” clauses, they don’t say a word.

    Finally, if the people of Taiwan are truly your “brothers”, treat them as such. I am all for reunification between Taiwan and China if the people of Taiwan so chooses. It is their choice not China’s. In a marriage, you cannot force one spouse to stay together is they do not want to. If one spouse is serious about a divorce, the other spouse cannot force them to stay at gunpoint. Point being, if your sincere, then remove the missiles pointed at Taiwan’s head and show them (by action) how wonderful China is and welcome them back in the family.

    Your criticisms are welcome, but I will defend my belief vigorously.

  133. well said, steep.. that’s china all over. they make the rules up as they go and change them at any time to suit themselves. i hope google does actually pull out and set an example for other foreign companies.

  134. i’m amazed at how fast the world is hating china. africans hate them, the middle eastern people hate them, south americans hate them, europeans hate them, americans hate them and ofcourse, all other asians hate them. we already knew the chinese were thieves and liars, and you can’t turn your back on them for a second. now they are showing themselves to be big, cunt bullies on top of it all.

    • I believe that there are many dimension to why the world is threatened by China (hate is such a strong word, although there is evidence that the world is growingly opposing to China). During the rise of the US after WW2, the US imposed a challenge to the POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES of Communism (which resulted in the cold war with USSR. The countries that adopted Russia’s form of political ideologies and depended on Russia left threated by this idea of individual free speech, liberty, equal representation of its citizens, and democracy. Most of the world was not opposed to the US’s economic model of free markets in which after they saw how successful and it made the US the economic superpower that each slowly adopted the free market model. Again, the US’s rise was a challenge of political ideologies, which some countries adopt and some don’t.

      China currently is the biggest threat to the world’s way of life through their economy of scale. The Africans hate them because the ordinary African (not the rich warlords benefiting most from China’s money) feels that China is exploiting their natural resources and returning to a form of colonialism seen since the days of European dominance (extract abundant riches from colony, produce in motherland, export finished product back to motherland and colony country racks up huge debt, which they can only repay by selling more natural resources–see the vicious cycle). I think the Middle Eastern people are less opposed to China but are starting to because of their persecution of their Uighur brethren in Xinjiang (one of the al Quaeda sects have already proclaimed jihad on China). The Europeans and Americans hate them because of their threat to our economic growth. The US made a huge mistake in thinking that China’s reform to a free market would gradually democratize their people. We can see that in fact the opposite is true recently, which the government cracking down on dissidents and free press. So we expected that China would live up to their commitments and open their potential huge market (in which US companies bend backwards with setting up joint ventures, technology transfer, bogus regulations, etc.) but the access to their markets are less open because after we taught them everything, they open their own state-owned firms and give preferential treatment to those firms. The other Asian countries are suspicious of them because they now have a big bully in their backyard and because of their historical border challenges. Even many Taiwanese (not all) would rather relate to the Japanese culture than with their Chinese roots (sad but true). And because their currency is tied to the $$$, any weakness in the US $$ = weakness in the RMB, which affects the Vietnamese producers or the Singaporean manufacturer or the India mom and pop shop with cheap Chinese goods. There is a famous Chinese proverb (paraphrase)– “trust no one and you won’t get hurt”. They are suspicious of every country and therefore everyone is suspicious of them. Very few superpower countries in our history have as little or no allies as China. As you can see that events recently show that they are flexing their muscles for the detriment of the world (i.e. blocking sanctions against Iran, selling weapons to warlords in Sudan, the Copenhagen summit, the WTO, etc.)

      In regards to American companies pulling out of China, I think US companies need to rethink their China strategy long and hard and pull out if necessary. I favor FREE AND FAIR TRADE, but one-way free trade is bad for the US (regardless of the potential market illusions they may have). The US have been on the losing end of free-trade agreements in Asian for a long time but no president ever stands up and says enough. This was the case for Japan, South Korea, China, and I think we are heading down the same path in Vietnam. We build up their industries and economy with little or very short-term return. Yes, GM made a nice profit in China, but with the technology transfer and the things GM has to give up, will it be worth it in the long-run. There are already several spin-off of former Chinese GM employees setting up their own auto manufacturer in China wanted to export to N. America and the world. The US still holds the upper hand in technology and development (which the Chinese needs our expertise)– we need to rewrite the relationship in our favor. If they are not beneficial to US companies, leave China, return to the US to develop a much superior product and compete on the world market. If they shut us out of their market, we shut them out of ours. We may be left out of the Chinese market but the world will know that GM cars are much better than Chinese cars and buy the best product. The Chinese can continue to drive their inferior cars in their homeland.

      • Ok there Glenn Beck.

        • I actually voted for Obama but Glenn Beck has some very excellent points in regards to our national security. So thanks for the compliment (Just don’t call me Rush Mini-Me).

      • Way too much political kool-aid here.

        The reason why the world hates China is pretty simple: Jealousy and fear. Jealous because of China’s growth, and fear because China’s growth is quickly disapproving the fundamental ideology of Western democracies. It’s nothing new, Japan went through a similar kind of hate two decades ago although it’s a great ally of the US.

        I am not sure where you get your ideas from, but African nations dealing with China for the most part are also in favor of China, a lot more than the US and European nations.

        http://pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=24&group=5

        Middle eastern nations traditionally are neutral to China and their opinions have changed little. Arabs do not care about their own, Palestine is the perfect proof that Arabs don’t give a shit about each other. Turkey is the only nation whose views towards China has dropped dramatically since the Uighur news broke out, but people in Turkey would much prefer to be called part of EU than Mideast.

        The Asian nations are jealous of China but at the same time rely on China to boost their economy. China is the largest importer of goods for Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and pretty much the rest of Asia. Without China the “Asian dragons” would be in deep shit just like they did back in 1997. For all of the complaints about the China pegging the dollar, this was the single act which saved the entire Asian economy. In SE Asia Chinese expats control much of the economy although they are only tiny portion of the population. Of course, this just means more hate.

        Foreign capital will continue to poor into China because companies must expand and China represent their best opportunity. GM saw a 60% growth in China last year, GM’s next year forecast will depend more on China than elsewhere because far more people have bought GMs in China than the US. Without China, GM would be bankrupt a long time ago with ZERO possibility of a come-back because automobiles are already saturated in GM’s existing markets.

  135. it’s the gonna be the opium wars all over again. china skewing trade in their favor and thwarting any attempts to balance trade, until they got slapped in the back of the head by the brits and the french ^^ they have 5 million years of history and still haven’t learned a goddamned thing.

    • Brown and Sarkozy might shit themselves if they go to war with China. I don’t think the war would go awwwwwwwright for them this time around lol.

      Plus you say it like the Opium war was something to be proud of. Unless people in the UK like that part of history when their country acted like a giant drug pusher.

      Lol 5 million years of history.
      douche ^^

  136. Fuck I wrote a long ass response but the shitty site said it was spammy.

    Alright I have no Idea why you say the world hates China when you give examples of some Africans complaining and al qaeda. No shit al qaeda will call a jihad they will call jihad on their own mom ffs. What China is doing in Africa doesn’t even compare to European style colonialism. First of all Africa isn’t exactly a huge market for China to sell to compared to the West and Asia, and god knows Africa needs as much economic activity possible. The Deals China has with most African countries is to invest and develop local infrastructure (roads, schools, public facilites, communications), along with paying cash for resources such as oil and metals. Sounds more like trade than exploitation to me. Plus the Chinese have brought fuckloads of jobs to the impoverished areas by undertakin these projects. The Chinese may bring their own engineering teams, but only for planning and direction, the majority of the jobs are for Africans.
    You will always have the locals complaining about foreign involvement in any case, so just because you get news interviews from those guys that are grumpy about it doesn’t mean the entire country agrees with them, especially not when you’re bringing development and cash to places that need it.

    As for the Middle East, besides a shitty alqaeda example you really have no point. The protests for Xinjiang does not prove that the Middle East hates China or Chinese. A company like Saudi Aramco would just as likely hire a Chinese national for a senior petro engineer position as they would for an American or Canadian. Alongside those American, European, and Canadian work residential areas, there would also be alot of Chinese residential compounds beside them, and the Saudi’s treat all respectfully. I got family working over there and they face zero discrimination from the Saudi’s. Since alcohol is forbidden in that country, they drive all the way to Bahrain some days to chill out. Guess what? they get no hate there either.

    In fact the only non-equal thing about middle eastern countries, especially the Saudi’s and Emirates, is that the top cheese managerial positions are filled by locals, never by any foreigners. You will never see an American or Chinese in a managerial position at one of those big Saudi oil companies. That was just an example of some pro-west ME countries, if we talk about Iran, they basically love China. So is there Middle East hate For China? nahhh. They just hate Israel, followed closely by the United States.

    You would be wrong if you said China has not become more liberal and freer with the times. Alot of people on here criticizing the oppressiion in China can only compare with the standard of their own developed, first world home countries. If you were there decades ago you would agree that China has progressed ALOT in being more liberal and freer. I was there late 80′s early 90′s before my family moved out, and if you compare the progress that was made it is fucking awesome. There’s alot of dramatic news reports of how oppressive the PRC still is, but not alot of reports of how good it has become and where it is going from it’s shitty start.

  137. The currency manipulation is a very funny subject. I’m not an economist but my professor spent a fuck long time explaining this. ANY exporting country will undervalue their currency. The international free market will never hit perfect equilibrium, this is near impossible and alot of people would fucking starve if this was attempted. Undervaluing the currency is just another technique in the trade just like how slapping tariffs on things and jacking up interest rates are tools to regulate trade. China is the largest exporter of goods in the world so to the currency will obviously be undervalued.
    America did not go into a deficit from just a low value RMB, they went into deficit because of their own federal economic mismanagement. The latest recession is a good example of that. With that being said, the Chinese government is raising the value of the yuan, albeit in small increments to keep the world market stable. What some American politicians want (Let the Yuan rise to “normal levels”) is stupid. Doing this would rape the global economy asshole during a time where the world NEEDS stability. Even if the Yuan is raised, America would still be in a deficit, but things would get worse for them. Millions of people that rely on affordable goods would plunge below the poverty line and the standard of living of many first world countries would raise, probably even more than double. The only country that really detriments from an undervalued yuan in the long run is China, since it would be sitting on reserves of foreign currency that would be less in value over time. But the central bank is smarter than that and has been implementing policies to regulate that pile of foreign dollars.

  138. I dunno why you suggest that General Motors should pull out of China, when that was the only market that didn’t go into the red for them. I’m pretty sure that company likes to make money. Oh, as for technology, yeah the United States is a world leader, but so is Japan and Europe, and now China. A country can advance in technology by themselves you know. Stealing and Spying for tech makes up a small percentage of tech advancement, but a huge percentage of news media coverage. It would be impossible for China to advance the way it has soley on tech transfer. And regardless of what you think, China is up there in the ranks of top tier tech nations, not far behind the US, Japan, South korea, Western Europe. The biological research field is probably on par with the United States but behind that of Europe. And if we’re talking about defense related tech, China is already a top player up there with the United States Russia and Europe. Why do you think Europe is debating whether or not to lift it’s arms embargo? Because it’s become pointless as the Chinese defense tech has grown strong even without western assistance. And it’s not like China is isolated, as the Russian domestic defense tech was basically saved by the flow of Chinese cash following the collapse of the Soviet Union, and don’t play into the Stereotype that the Russians have shitty weapons. They make alot of the best systems out there. So that’s why the EU is thinking might as well lift the archaic ban and make some money. Also there were polls done recently in 2009 by PEW or some other institution that showed that the world held China in a more favorable light than the United States. So yeah, listen less to Glenn Beck, he makes absolutely no good fucking points.

    • Really Sin, you minimize the contributions that foreigners made to the Chinese economy, but the CCP gets it. It is called foreign investments and it has a long-history in China. VW started in China over 1978 and built-up and developed China’s auto industry. Boeing and Airbus’s presence in China helped develop China’s young aviation industry AVIC (as a matter of fact, Canada’s Bombadier is currently a joint-venture partner). All those fancy high-speed rail the Chinese are enjoying are produced locally in China but a decade of joint-venture with the French, Germans, and Japanese. It is that important to the development of the Chinese economy that the CCP is still to this day (where you claim that China is up there technologically with the US, Japan and Europe) requiring 51%-49% joint ventures with the Chinese firm holding majority. This goes with the development of the clean energy sector currently (if you don’t believe the Western media, go look at the Xinhua news articles). I never made the accusation that China’s undervalued currency was the sole source of America’s deficit or raising the RMB could fix America’s deficit problems (it was the US who overspent beyond our means and needs to be more financially responsible). However, if China is strong enough to develop without any help, then drop these requirements for joint-ventures and open up your markets for free trade. If China is strong enough and have enough ingenuity, then China’s corporations does not need the limitless resources of its state-backing. If the Chinese consumer does not buy American products, then it would be the result of the markets and not because of government intervention. GM did make money in China but 51% went to the Chinese. If the US government had those requirements in the US, the Chinese would be crying :protectionism”.

      Their biological research, while impressive in terms of recent advancements, come also through the help and resource of foreigners. The Chinese sent their best talented graduates to US, European, and Australian research universities to study and purse biological research. Then they recruit and lure them back home based on nationalism to bring glory to the “motherland”. If you don’t think this is happening, google Shi Yigong and Princton. I am not saying that the Chinese with their improved situation cannot make advancements for themselves, but it is obviously greatly aided much faster with the help of foreigners through their political policies.

      Again, I never made the claim about Russian. They are top-notch, especially in fighter jet design and missile design. However, do you really think that the Chinese developed all their advanced weapons by themselves. Wasn’t the Chinese a major purchaser of Russian MiGs in the 90s. The Chinese are good at taking apart someone else’s designs, studying them, and producing them cheaper and faster (maybe that is why they are so good at producing IPhone knock-offs). They advanced the design of Russian MiGs but that does not mean they developed the technology from start to finish.

      Some polls may have US’s favorability dropping and China’s rising but Pew also has China as the country most skeptical as a responsible world power.

      Again, no doubt that China is rising and it is good for its people. But to say that China does not need the world and this China vs. the world mentality is a little premature. If they are developing and strong enough, then be on the same playing field as the rest of the international community.

      • Your response is like a rebuttle to your own original post.
        I just went out to defend 4 things.
        1. The world doesn’t hate China
        2. The tech is able to compete with tech giants like japan and USA.
        3. The undervalued RMB isn’t a huge reason for US economic troubles.
        4. There has been good progress.

        In your own response you’ve already did a 180 on shit you said in the first post lol.

        That was what I was mainly arguing. As for technology the main point I made is that China is up there in the tech tree. America Europe Japan all contribute to each other’s tech and research knowledge so it’s no different from China’s case. They all have ventures with each other whether it be in electronics or defense. I’m just saying if the US decided to stop these ventures tomorrow, China will not plummet in R&D since the educational and technical foundation is already set. What you were referring to in your original post was that China’s was ridiculously inferior, you corrected it in your own rebuttle soooooo No long winded discussion here lol.

        • Going back and forth with Sin is alittle tiring. I don’t think we fully reads my responses and maybe we gets worked up whenever anyone mentions anything negative about China.

          1) The world doesn’t hate China. No where in my post does I mention hate. I ever specifically pointed out that “hate” is a strong word (meaning is would be an inappropriate word). But I did say that their is growing opposition to China. Why, because China’s rise is a threat to other country’s way of life. China talks about cooperation and the need for dialog in relations but their economic policies can negatively affect the world (not just the US). The Italians gets put out of business of their bread and butter shoes because of cheap Chinese imports. The Indians cannot make the steel nails because of Chinese imports. The Japanese cannot compete with steel rolled goods because Chinese’s flooding the market with overcapacity. China’s overcapacity in steel in larger than Japanese total annual output). In this world, it is not necessarily about military might or political ideological. It is about economics and the mighty $$. If we want world harmony and social stability (famous chinese phrases), it is not only for the Chinese and their interests. It must be shared by the world community and it is being threated economically by the Chinese right now.

          2)Yes, they will be able to compete in the future with tech giants. They have established a firm foundation with help from the foreigners. If the US pulls out, China IS NOT going to be in the tech dark ages. However, you never answered my question. If China is up there in the tech world, why do the government still require foreign firm to joint ventures with Chinese firms just to be able to have access to the Chinese market. Why can’t the success of Chinese products vs. foreign products be decided by the Chinese consumer?

          3) Yes, the RMB is not the sole reason for US economic troubles but is a contributor. If your products are undervalued, it still makes our same products more expensive. An analogy is like in sports, if team A beats team B, but team B gets an advantage by cheating (regardless how big or small the advantage is), it might not affect the outcome because Team A still won but cheating is cheating. If the star player on Team A gets hurt and loses, the main reason might be because they lost the most important player but it still does not negate the fact that the other team was cheating.

          4) Agreed, they have made good progress.

          • I ain’t going back and forth I was only rebutting the post you made right after that faggot johny-5. I got no problems with your responses after that as they were thoughtful, and even though I may disagree with some of the shit you said, it is a respectable point of view.

            I just had to say what I had to say after your first intial post. Or was that the second one? I dunno.

        • By the way, don’t think you are going back and forth with a white guy that know nothing about China. I am a Chinese American, my parents are Chinese, and my wife is Chinese from Beijing. I have been to China multiple times and grew up in an Chinese environment.

          • Likewise, don’t think you are going back and forth with a Chinese guy. As I am a young black male growing up in Long Beach California in a neighborhood full of SouthSide crips and Old Skoo G’s who just studied a thing or two about Chinese history and geopolitics??
            WESTSYYYYYD CRIP MOTHAFUCKA

            Please believe me >=(.

        • Sin,

          You just earned a few points in my book. If you truly are a young black brother in Long Beach, the fact that you are interested in debating about China is very respectable. And they fact that you felt that you had to defend another country’s integrity and culture is honorable. I can get down with that hommy. I studied alittle about ebonics and the black culture through my numerous black friends, my black girl-friend Shaynaynay and hours of the TV show Martin and Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (just kidding about the tv shows and the gf– now I’m being racist).

          That be said, you are not too far from my hometown “crib”. I am originally from So. Cal (my hood is in the O.C.–don’t think there are any cribs but lots of white preppies.

  139. That was for Steep

  140. this is really magic post, over one night, i feel i am back to cold war time, dame it!

  141. Bias article is bias.

  142. i love the spirit of chinese people. but seriously folks… do you think we can let 1.3 billion of you maniacs control southeast asia? look at the state of your country for average person. you’re not ready to be the big guy in asia yet. you people were given a free modern society to build out the last 30 years and you did nothing in return as a respect gesture for all that was given to you. in fact, you hate the very countries who helped you and itching to fight them in war. uh? what? what a shame. if only we could get you guys on the good guy side…man, the peace and prosperity that would come to the world. yeah yeah, sure, bush america was a bad moment in usa but you know down deep overall it’s got the right idea. don’t you think you owe it to the world to give thanks for the past 30 years. and don’t talk to me about gunpowder, printing press, compasses. ok…good job…but those where THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. america has visited every planet (pluto is a planet, damnit!) and the edge of the solar system while defeating germany, japan, russia (3 biggest evils in the world the last 70 years) while pulling you out of the mud mao created. seriously, how much money the last 30 years did america invest in china? trillions? in the 70s and 80s think about how much american mind power and money went directly into china and then caused china to explode in the 90s like crazy. do you ever stop to think how you went from bikes to beijing olympics in such a short time? look at all the business secrets you’ve gotten for free (or sometimes stole with spy network). your government sent spies all over america pretending to be accountants, lawyers, doctors, whatever. the very country that welcomed your people with open arms to let them learn and grow in freedom and freely share their knowledge with you…and you spy on them and hate them. wow. so that’s how you say “thanks, dudes!” in china? the military power we helped you build other nations would beg to have. taiwan dreams of a military that we helped you build. clinton gave you unbelievable military computer systems and secrets for basically a bowl of hot noodles and probably a couple of hot chinese women. you’re not the least bit thankful. clinton usually gets 100 hot woman and a lifetime supply of hot noodles for free deals like that. and you folks think you did this all yourself as if you invented the same things the world did 50 years ago. you’re running around jumping in the streets because you went into outer space. whaaat? don’t you get the history channel on satellite tv by now? america and russia raced into space 50 YEARS AGO using pencils, glue, and string. we have a businessman offering tourist flights into space that basically is better than your entire space program. it’s one friggin’ guy and you folks are going crazy because russia and america taught you how to go to space? america has this thing called a space shuttle that goes up into space about 7 times a year and circles the earth about 200 times a year…for the last 30 years. i’ve seen it in person. it’s true. it’s not science fiction. it’s considered an antique here. taxpayers don’t want to fund it anymore. they go “yawn…another successful space mission”. and you go nuts cause you circled the earth a couple times the same way russia and america sent monkeys and dogs into space? say WHAT?! well look how it is on the streets and on the farms for most people. there is poverty in america. there is NO poverty in america like poverty in china. you’re communists. taiwan = really good idea. communism = really bad idea that chinese people should be smart enough to shake off finally. that means all the money goes to communists leaders and their family and business friends. a billion people in china are poor compared with the rest of developed world. think about that. life sucks in china for most people BECAUSE of your government. DUH?! do you really want to be communists? shouldn’t you secretly be happy taiwan is safe from china? you can pretend in public that you hate taiwan but shouldn’t your brain tell you to support taiwan when you are all alone by yourself in front of a computer making comments on chinasmack? that’s like playing for the worst soccer team in history every year. don’t you want to join the real professional leagues? you think korea, vietnam, laos, thailand, philippines, malaysia, indonesia, india, australia, and all the rest want china controlling the show over there? you folks are finding it hard to keep yourselves together. are you nuts that you want to be the super power in asia instead of america? do you want the whole world to fall apart? think what havoc your government would bring to asia if you became all powerful over taiwan and all the other free nations there. don’t you get it…arming taiwan is GOOD. it’s defending a democracy and modern civilization against what communist china would do. it’s the difference between having a neighbor who helps you all the time so you help him instead of a neighbor that is always in your business and maybe takes a bribe so the government can take your house. you guys are the only ones protecting myanmar and north korea while being mad at taiwan. i mean, seriously. down deep inside, you know that’s wrong. right? that’s like hating the prettiest girl who happens to be the nicest too and loving the ugly angry girl who kicks you in the balls every day. that’s like choosing to vacation in siberia when it’s ice raining instead of going to thailand’s beaches for beach massages in the sun sipping fruity cocktails. that’s like being a pathetic gangster that other gangsters can’t respect because you’re protecting a pathetic low level gangster who doesn’t have a clue what they are doing. and you get mad at taiwan and usa who could be great biz partners and peaceful brothers to show you a way out of communist cartoon land? WHAAAATTTT?!!! nope…you choose to to defend the bad guys. why do you want to do that? why are you not standing up in public cheering every arms deal to taiwan? why are you not protesting with millions of people to demand human rights, if not for yourselves, then people of myanmar and north korea. why not welcome the dali lama back? the entire world would fall in love with you. even if you hate the dali lama and the entire world is wrong about him (yeah yeah…right…he’s a cia spy and terrorist like bin laden blah blah blah blah” says CCP tv cartoon) don’t you understand the concept of good publicity? i bang my hands on my head whenever i hear chinese talk like this with all this crazy communist nationalism. you could be soooooo good. you were a leading empire before you let crazy ass mao bring in crazy ass russian white man communism. don’t you get that? when are you people going to have your 1776, your berlin war, your nelson mendela…oh wait…you DID have it in 1989. google “student democracy movement”…oh wait…. you can’t. it’s NOT allowed. doh!!

  143. The Taiw.anese don’t want to be part of the PRC. Period. They’d like trade and good relations. The idea that they are a province of the PRC is BS, and we all know it (even Chinese nationalists can stop thrashing away under the desk now, let’s tell the truth for once here).

    As my Tai.wanese girlfriend said just before I left TW for China: “Be careful! China is a country I don’t like”.

    And all this praise for Chairman Mao is ironic. Mao advocated Tai.wanese independence – before Chiang Kai Shek went there, whereupon he suddenly decided it was “An inalienable part of the motherland since ancient times.” Just like the idea that T.ibet is part of China – it’s all a political manipulation because these regions are deemed militarily or economically vital to the PRC.

    China is not going to invade Taiw.an either, because the PRC is simply too socially disunited, and it would cause flare ups in Ti.bet and Xi.njiang, and the whole country would go to hell. China is already too big. It’s an empire trying to be a country. Just because you stationed a few hundred troops in a distant land hundreds of years ago doesn’t give you the right to colonise it today (although that’s exactly what has happened in T.ibet, and it will only be a short time before the next riot there, as nothing has been learned, and history books, newspapers and internet are full of lies and cover ups). It’s not Tai.wan or the rest of the world that needs to keep blocking information. It’s the PRC. We all know why, and it’s because the lies have to be controlled and maintained.

  144. Taiwan is just another dumping ground of the United States for sub-standard products. The merchandise traded in this case happened to be military arms. Nevertheless, these are out-dated military arms built on old technologies which the Americans themselves have discarded. The Americans knew too well the economic benefits it would derive from this deal. I do not see this as a threat to China security.

  145. I like the way Guobao and diwei and other Chinese the way they responded in in This Post but also i would like to tell them Theirr mind are so narrow and thinking capability is so poor and may be they are diffending something that they dont know.
    Taiwan bought weapons from US you are shouting and cyring like womens every where while no even a single chinsese who ready obtain negative impact of those weapons by now..So i would like them to read this

    “How is China involved in helping the Arab-dominated government kill its black African citizens? It buys about two-thirds of Sudan’s oil exports. About 70% of Sudan’s oil revenues go to its military, which is involved in the mass murders. Yet China’s involvement is not just indirect. China sells arms and aircraft to Sudan in a manner that is almost certainly in violation of the United Nations’s arms embargo. As important, Beijing has used its permanent seat on the Security Council to shield Khartoum from effective action by the international community. This has had the effect of continuing what the World terms “genocide.” As Darfur activists Mia Farrow and Ronan Farrow recently wrote, “Beijing is uniquely positioned to put a stop to the slaughter, yet they have so far been unabashed in their refusal to do so.”
    So if Beijing is responsible for the acts of the government in Khartoum — and it certainly is under the common understanding of that term —”
    Why dont you even one second or word shout for your own government to stop killing that is going on in Sudan by the heand of Chinese Government directly, Or the value of Chinese people is higher than Sudanese?
    So stupidy to Cry and Shout US selling weapons to Taiwan while you cant even talk to another Chinese about the way your government drives you with no any freedom of information.

  146. US and Taiwan deal arms so they can keep the Communists out.

    China is so lacking in human rights, who would wanna unify. China the world is watching your every move.

    And for all u USA haters.. U can honestly tell me that u dont own products or dig things like Iphones, Mac, HP, windows.. rap music, hollywood movies.. lakers, bulls…

    dont forget where all these came from… so dont be dissing USA, cuz u will be looking like a dumbass the next time u sport your NIKE Airforce Ones..

  147. Just forget for a few minutes that America might defend Taiwan and answer a few of these easy questions.

    1. Why would the Taiwanese ever want to trade their freedom for rule under a government where the people have no real voice?

    2. Why would the Taiwanese ever want to trade their freedom of press for rule under a government that censors the media?

    3. Why would the Taiwanese want to trade an Internet that is completely open for one where the government censors out everything that they deem might be something that would possibly cause another episode like the democratic uprising that was called the “June Fourth Movement”, the “June Fourth Incident” or colloquially, simply “Six-four” (Chinese: 六四; pinyin: Liù-Sì; June 4)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

    in 1989 in Tiananmen Square, in Beijing?

    (I am sure the censors will automatically block this URL)

    4. If the Taiwanese were to be interested in re-joining Mainland China, what would make this appealing to them?

    Please respond. I would very much like to hear your comments. Even though I am an American, I have studied this situation all of my life. I have also lived in many parts of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Germany and Italy and have traveled to over 60 different countries in my life, including China and really appreciate each and every different perspective and consider all of them when I ask these questions.

    Best Wishes,
    Richard

  148. When they cannot invade (like they did to Iraq), they sell second rate arms then provoke and disturb the peace.

  149. The Netherlands owned it for 38 years.

  150. Nevermind why my English is better than yours.

    The question is, why is a faggot WHITE DEVIL spending his time reading a China forum.

    Have your own people shunned you because you are too fat, poor, ugly, and hairy to have a good live in USA?

    Answer me that.

  151. Gross. I think I’m going to puke ‘<~~

  152. “the concensus among military historians is that armies fielded by democratic nations are always more successful than armies fielded by authoritarian nations where officers buy their positions…”

    Those “military historians” obviously have not studied the wars America fought in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. In fact, they were probably the ones who convinced the NeoCons that once we bring Democracy, truth, and all of the good shit to Iraq, people there would be worshipping the Americans, followed by the signing of oil rights to major American corporations.

  153. Anyone else think ROFLcopter was burnt by a one night stand with some foreigner she met in a pub in one of those GREAT MOMENTS IN HOOK-UP HISTORY?

    Holla!

  154. I think Roflcopter has mental problems and needs a good lie down.

  155. Nah we already found out the Roflcopter issue on the other discussion her(his/it)’s brother became too intimate with his western teacher as a wee lad now we have the revenge of the sibling with the ultimate chip on their shoulder.

  156. You still have not answered my question.

    My guess is you were fat, ugly, nerdy virgin in high school… did not goto prom, got punked on by all the cool kids, did not goto prestigious college.

    So now you goto China because at least here you can wave around your USA passport and feel like you are a somebody.

    Am I right?

  157. Hey greatdiwei, I think you’ve won the argument.

    :)

  158. OK, maybe you’re not a fatass.

    But you’re still an ugly, poor, english teacher faggot.

  159. Gross! Is he an english teacher?? Worst scum on earth. I wouldn’t let my kids within 1000 ft of him.

  160. The last time I checked, an English teacher makes 2500 RMB a month.

    My prostitute in Macau makes that much a day.

  161. So you make $1000 USD. No wonder you cannot afford happyness in USA.

    BTW, you’re still ugly.

  162. audrey (aka greatdiwei)

    Let’s face it, native english speakers that go over there tend to be broke, young, and unqualified. After college, a lot of my friends went to China or considered going to China to teach english only if they had no other prospects.

    They are pretty much there to make some money and to party. NO ONE goes there to be a dedicated and caring professional teacher.

    [Note from Fauna: Please do not use multiple names.]

  163. Audrey,

    Some but not many teachers here are caring and professional teachers and they usually get good positions in the Universities and high end schools that offer ex pat packages ie: tickets home once a year, high end apartments, high pay etc…

    The ‘language schools’ like Shane English, EF and Wall street will take any rubbish teachers that they can find because they don’t charge much, don’t offer expat packages and don’t give a real hoot about the teachers.

    Also, greatdiwei and roflcopter must be in the same room because they are posting minutes apart. Unless…

    And where is Laowaixian? Unless…

  164. lol

    So, just in case any of haven’t got it yet, Greatdiwei and roflcopter are the same person.

    Congrats on the English though, you silly bitch.

  165. In USA, Jones is too ugly to hook up with Jessica Alba and too poor to seduce Anna Nicole Smith so he came to China to rape his 12 yr old students.

  166. “It’s kind of bad to bash English teachers, because a lot of people are there just to experience the place. ”

    Hmm again I have nothing against you or all of the English teachers, but I don’t see how bashing English teachers on forums is any different from people on forums bashing your average Chinese netizen. Put it this way, if people don’t bash each other most people won’t even post in the message groups. They would read the news and leave, and that would be hella boring.

    But I do agree that most English teachers who are in China are there with good intentions; for the experience and fun. You have to be at least somewhat opened minded to teach in a 3rd world nation. I also think foreign English teachers are helping China as a whole.

    BTW, Jones you should feel lucky you taught in China rather than Korea. LATimes just published an interesting piece on anti-English teacher movement in S.Korea.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31,0,4934857.story

    “In November, the president of the teachers group received anonymous e-mails threatening his life and accusing him of committing sex crimes.

    “I have organized the KEK (Kill White in Korea),” one e-mail read in part. “We will start to kill and hit [foreigners] from this Christmas. Don’t make a fuss. . . . Just get out.”"

    KEK, lol..

  167. It is 3:20p here in Austin

  168. I am in Austin because ICBC is buying up your hick office buildings and shopping malls full of fatass ugly white devils.

    Soon you faggot Americans will be property of China.

  169. There has been ANTI WHITE ENGLISH TEACHER violence in China for the last 5 years.

    However news about their attacks are suppressed by the censors because otherwise white tourist will be scared to visit China and our tourism economy will suffer.

    However, KOREA has a very strong economy that is not reliant on tourism, so they can be very public about anti white crimes.

  170. Actually, I had a friend who got attacked and he was a teacher. He was also an arrogant and nasty drunk who would carry on like most people on this forum in public and incite trouble.

    This may have had something to do with why he was bashed. He was clobbered coming out of a night club by about 15 guys who ended up by throwing an E-Bike on him.

    I don’t think they would have stood a chance if it was one on one though as he was quite a strong guy.

    There was also a guy I know who got beaten up outside Maggies in Beijing by all the bouncers and some angry Mongolian hookers.

    He was seriously a cockhead and deserved everything he got although he was a big bastard.. solid.

    Moral of the story? Don’t cause shit in any country and you can stay out of trouble. Also when you see a bunch of guys congregate with angry look son their faces you are in trouble… power in numbers.

  171. Why not throw a red brick? Better yet, a red brick tainted with lead.

  172. Drive over to Houston. You have already bought many of your malls and office buildings.

  173. Technically it’s Republic of the Seven United Provinces, as United Kingdom of the Netherlands did not come into being until the defeat of Napoleon. And of course before the Dutch showed up, even then it’s just a rather trading post setup by the VOC. (No bigger than many pirate strong holds during that time. Which is why Zheng Chenggong didn’t have too difficult of a time to take it.)

    Dutch access to East Asia was severely hampered Portuguese control of Malacca, and it was only able to open an alternate channel via Batavia 1615 – 1629 even then their main interests are in the spice islands in SE Asia and trade access to China and Japan. (As a side note, unlike the British, the Dutch were able to gain trade access to China since 1600′s. Due to large part of their willingness to go though the formalities kneeing in front of the Emperor and refer to themselves as barbarian tribute state)

  174. The US made china rich? wtf are you talking about. Without america who the fuck are you chinese going to trade with and do business with. You my friend will still be poor. Haha!

    I’m chinese american I even see that. HAHA HAHA.

  175. I agree with that. As a regular Joe, teaching is OK at first but if you are not trained or have a real interest in it, teaching English gets old fast.

    I hand it to the professional teachers and short term teachers who really have their hearts in the job.

  176. 100% agree with GuoBao.

    My friend is an english teacher. He is an M.D. and was paid a lot of money back at home. He never needed to come here.

    He came to China in order to teach, because he loves teaching. He is a very clean cut guy. No smoking, drinking and bad habits. His grammar and knowledge is amazing. He is really dedicated.

    He is married to a local and they are both going back to Australia. The only reason he is going back is because he has a child. He doesn’t want his kid to go through China’s education system and other things. He feels that western education/welfare is a bit more suitable.

    I also have another friend that just opened a great business here. He makes good money. He started out as a teacher. It was a great way to understand Chinese culture for him.

    So, I don’t know why people hate on english teachers. As I said before. There are schools that hire anyone. They should be blamed. Usually, THOSE schools end up screwing over the teachers hard. Most unqualified teachers leave China quickly… at least a year max…

    I have met a lot of losers. The funny thing is that a lot of them did complete university. Which is really strange… I think a good teacher must be qualified and a good person with good habits.

  177. Also, just to remind everybody, not all teachers in China teach English or ESL.

  178. He’s not Chinese.

    If he was Chinese, and truly that patriotic, he would have posted in Chinese not in English…the “TRASH … English language”

    It looks like a sarcastic white boy to me.

  179. and how he said “Fucking OUR Prostitutes”…but not in a way that looks like he’s out to re-address inequalities and get women off the streets, but more in a ‘cos we chineeeeese should be da ones fucking dem’.

    It can’t be a serious post.

  180. thanks, I was like “does this guy get it?”

  181. Thanks for your comment on my name and repeating my word, also for proving my point.”good job”!

  182. How can you be 100 percent sure of this? Could be a girl in Hong Kong looking to stir the shit pot for all we know?!

  183. 超级低位,

    I think it’s great that you covet the thing you most revile.

  184. TL;DR.

    Nevermind the fact that this article was written in 1999, I randomly picked a page and read this:

    “Today, both China and Taiwan are modernizing their forces. But Taiwan will surely do so much faster, especially given its high-tech economy, its willingness to purchase weapons abroad, and a modernization agenda that emphasizes capabilities such as precision strike, maritime reconnaissance and integrated air defense. China’s armed forces talk a good high-tech game, but possess few of the requisite assets and are redressing their weaknesses at a very slow pace.”

    LOL. It’s apparent these “military experts” can’t predict the future worth shit. But then, looking at the foreign military decisions which the US has made in the recent decade it’s apparent that the US military industry is full of bullshitters. Blaming Wall Street may be all the rage right now in the US, but if anything the military industry are far better at wasting other people’s money.

  185. I’d have to say that 10 year old analysis doesn’t sound too far off the mark. China’s modernization policy has been slow in coming and generally still lags behind the other nations in the region. Their force redeployment policies at this point are very ambitious, but a constant flow of corruption and mismanagement may sink them before they even get halfway. Taiwan’s forces are equal to any state in the region by most people’s opinions. They’re certainly on tier with the ROK’s and Japanese. Show me the PRC Patriot III and then we’ll talk.

  186. LOL… no. But it certainly isn’t tasseography to look at the factual physical response and compare them to the stage on which they were place.

    As for these naval “exercises” I’m sure that the PLAN were also dragging sono platforms all the way across the Indian Ocean too, to record signatures of Indian naval assets. The Indian navy was likely tailing and doing much the same to the Chinese, and there’s probably an ever present orbiting American AWACs that knows exactly who everyone is at all times.

    Just the nature of the game.

  187. When I went to the new expo centre in guangzhou, all modern western toilets, no hand towels, and no toilet paper. When I asked why, another westerner who was there told me that the chinese people take the toilet rolls out, so they don’t have to buy toilet paper to use at home. And these are not poor chinese people, they probably having savings in the high thousands of rmb, but won’t fork out 10 rmb for a packet of 8 toilet rolls….go figure?!

  188. Are you serious? Just about every other military article you read about China nowadays deal with asymmetrical warfare with the US which implies China to have very high level of technology. Few even talk about China/Taiwan anymore because the two are clearly unmatched.

    On conventional warfare China already have Taiwan beat back in 2005, according to Taiwan’s own military reports. If you are lazy just read the last two paragraphs from the link.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/taiwan-balance.htm

    The 1999 article clearly stated that Taiwan’s military capabilities would continue outgrow China’s and implied China will never catch up. That has been proven false. But as the neocons have demonstrated, bullshitting and proven wrong over and over again clearly won’t deter the so called “military buffs” from continuing to spew their bullshit, and listeners who will continue to believe the same bullshit.

  189. little Jones boy…you have not yet pain and suffering.
    You left a life of mediocrity in the West, to feel like the one-eyed king among the blinds.
    It will last while it lasts.
    But one day you will fall and beg for me to come.
    And I will be there for you.
    For you are a mere human being.

  190. Spelling nazis are okay, but grammar nazis I cannot stand.

    Plus my response wasn’t even a rebuttal. I’ve never indicated one way or another that rep.wilson should be disqualified from bashing Obama. Cmfeirs is confused and I was just trying to help him to organize his thoughts.

  191. Jones, having military bases in foreign places certainly gives the US leverage over various issues from trading to criminal jurisdiction. The later is covered under the Status of Forces Agreement, which you can look up yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Forces_Agreement)

    Take Japan for example, if the US did not have military bases in Japan it would a lot more difficult for the US to convince the Japanese government to stop pegging the yen to the dollar. US is accusing China of doing the same currency manipulation today but has very little leverage to get China to change.

    Keep in mind that the goal of a government is not to simply acquire land but also to secure national interests. Having military presence in an area certainly helps that cause.

  192. “What, today, or even in the past decade, has the Western governments done to back resistance and uprisings in Tibet? ”

    Funding radios stations, newspapers, etc.

  193. “The point is: if you only had one global hegenom today, who would the majority of countries in the world today vote for: US or PRC.”

    If you have to choose between the US or the PRC today of course most would choose the US. China still needs decades before it can catch up with the US, and that’s provided that China continues to grow at its current rate, which is doubtful.

    However, China is not nearly as unpopular as people think. Public opinion maybe, but foreign policy wise it has lots of allies depending on the issues. The new Japanese PM last year wrote an Op-Ed on NYT proposing an Asian Union to counter US/EU influences with China at the helm. It scared the crap out of everyone.

    The thing is that nations don’t want a single superpower, it wants balance of power so that it’s easier to leverage their own interest.

  194. Yes, China is hypocritical when it tells other not to bother its internal politics but then does meddle with other countries’ politics. But then it’s also pretty well known that China sucks with propaganda and PR. The US does a much better job at forcing other nations not to engage in diplomatic relations with Cuba.

  195. Gloss over what facts?
    Did I not tell facts?
    Am I downplaying anything? Were schools not build? Roads not developed? Debt not forgiven? Did China not invest in Africa? Were jobs not created? How is any of this bullshit?

    No shit China isn’t some saintlike philanthropist, it doesn’t do all this shit for free. They stand to profit from it. Africa also profits from it. At the very base of the trade is cash. If this was just a basic cash for resources trade it would still be fair. But yet throwing in a football stadium is what? fucking evil? No shit there will be consequences such as pollution and shit. There is no clean green way to develop that is economically and technologically viable right now. Especially for fucking Africa. Jesus christ.
    You know how many Chinese companies are doing projects in Africa? One or more companies are late to pay salaries, big fucking deal happens in Canada too. Does this mean all Chinese companies are late to pay? No. And you would be naive to think this would apply to all companies And At least that company actually paid. My friend is still waiting on back pay his manager owes him from his time being chef at his restaurant. Dude’s never going to get his money.

    There will be cons, I said there would be cons. But I’m saying the pros far outweigh the cons.

    As for Papua New Guinea:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article730180.ece

    What I’m saying is that the grievances that people have is really toward the cons that come with development. If it were another country doing the developing the naysayers would probably say those people are evil and accuse them for ruining their land. The Chinese are just doing what many other countries won’t, which is bringing development and investment. It was a decision by those African countries, South East Asia, and Oceania to start development. This isn’t forced, these deals were put forth, and they accepted them.

  196. Lol hogswash. I wish more people would use that word =D.

    Ok Tubs, there are real problems that should and maybe will be fixed or attended to with these Chinese projects, I’m just saying in this case the good that comes from these projects far outweighs the bad, and a portion of the bad could be attributed to the side effects of development in general, especially from a foreign source. I mean there are far more worse things than building infrastructure in return for resources.

  197. i concur.
    my friend was struck by a mooncake projected at him with a 45 degree launch angle and an initial velocity of roughly 20km/hr…the poor lad is still in intensive care after 3 months.

  198. ahhhh….so it sounds like the Chinese arrogance we’re seeing isn’t some response to the West, but in fact a re-emergence of the historical Chinese view of the rest of the world. When will we barbarian tribute states learn???? hahahahahaha

    China is such a great nation that most Chinese, for centuries, leave! hahahahahahaha

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