‘Avatar’ Movie, Chinese Reactions & Long Lines In Shanghai

James Cameron’s latest film, Avatar, was released in China on 2010 January 2. Many Chinese are familiar with and loved James Cameron’s previous famous film, Titanic
, which is still the number one most successful movie in history. Although Avatar or 《阿凡达》 (“ā fán dá”, in Chinese) has premier two weeks later in China than the rest of the world, it has become very popular and successful as many Chinese are waiting in lines every day to buy tickets to watch the movie.

The Chinese people who have watched Avatar have praised the amazing computer special effects, but this is expected. What is more interesting is how many Chinese people feel the story of Avatar is very similar to a controversial social issue in China.

In the movie, humans use violence to take the land of the Na’vi alien residents on the alien world of Pandora. In China, there are news reports and internet postings about local Chinese governments using violence to forcefully evict residents from their homes (to demolish the buildings and redevelop the land). chinaSMACK translated and reported some of these stories in recent months, such as  Woman Sets Self On Fire To Protest Demolition Of Home and Kunming Residents Believe In Brother Chun To Save Homes.

Now that you are aware of that background, you can understand the sarcastic reactions that many Chinese netizens have posted on BBS forums after watching Avatar

Comments from Tianya (1, 2, 3):

cb900:

Strongly condemn the Western director for using Avatar to allude to China’s current situation!!

尸发布大局为重:

Avatar is the story of violent eviction and demolition [of people's homes] in China.

abcd2012:

The humans actually failed to successfully evict and demolish [the aliens]?
Truly embarrassing.
Why didn’t they send China’s chengguan there earlier?

“With the chengguan, the world is mine, hahahaha…”

清新的风1977:

On what basis/authority do they openly demand to leave the land and homes they have lived in for generations?

fly19820717:

China’s demolition crews must go sue Old [James] Cameron, sue him for piracy/copyright infringement.

我的祖国很伟大啊:

Stop making a fuss brothers!

Keep making a fuss and it will be banned like “Dwelling Narrowness“!

And then we will only be able to watch recordings of Mao Zedong.

shen92512:

This film is too reactionary,
encouraging China’s ordinary common people
to use violence to resist demolition!!!
[It is an] attempt to subvert the great China!!

别再叫我美女:

I was shocked by the special effects.

dcpxx:

I went to see the first showing of “Avatar” yesterday and was completely shocked! Pandora was so realistic, and [I felt I] could touch it…
After I came back, a coworker’s comment about the movie gave me another level of understanding:
“Avatar” shows the director’s deep understanding and concern for the (forceful) eviction and demolition [of people's homes] in China!!

今天打死五个老鼠:

Seeing Pandora’s beautiful scenery, I think of the environment around me that has suffered serious destruction.
Seeing the main character’s dauntless energy in fearlessly raising the resistance against the powerful, I think of of the LZ and similar people reacting to society’s injustices only by hiding here [on a BBS forum] and spitting [their complaints].

iskinf:

Looks like American chengguan‘s characters aren’t that much better. Just using a beauty trap, he betrayed [his own].

孙建2006:

Epoch-making masterpiece. China’s bullshit directors should go be their apprentice [go learn from them].

添衣勿缝:

Recommend the Celestial Kingdom [China] quickly blacklist such inharmonious movies.

还是伟软:

Towards [foreign] devils’ films I have always been critical. No matter if it is good or not [to watch], I refuse to go to the cinema to contribute to the [foreign] devils’ box office. I will keep my RMB to contribute what I can to the country’s economic development. Why should I give the foreign devils’ military funds my blood and sweat money, and then let them fly their planes carrying bombs terrorizing my land. I would definitely not do such a beastly thing.

南方的乌鸦:

“Avatar”, Chinese name “A Chengguan’s Vindication/Confessions”
District 9“, Chinese name “Director of Demolitions”
“The Matrix”, Chinese name “State Apparatus”

Welcome those below’s creativity~

yoeasy:

EastSouthWestNorth has translated a few more reviews and reactions to the movie Avatar from some more famous Chinese people. Also see this new post by China Real Time Report (added 2010/01/08). More Chinese blogger reactions on GlobalVoicesOnline (added 2010/01/11).

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From Liba:

My alarm was set for 7:00 in the morning, but I couldn’t get up, only getting up at 7:30, getting there at 8:15~ [Peace Cinemas in downtown Shanghai, by People's Square, yesterday Wednesday 2010 January 6]

I was startled when I got there. By the time I was in line, the line had already turned four times. 吐血

There was nothing that could be done except stand in line honestly, but to tell the truth, this kind of spectacular situation doesn’t come often, all to watch a single movie… hoho~

It happened to be time for people to go to work, so the amount of people passing by were a lot, so basically everyone who passed by and saw such a long line felt it was very interesting and, after asking and learning that it was for a movie ticket, they all felt it was a little unbelievable, haha~ 晕

And what more, those buying tickets were basically all young people, which is also very rare because in the past, it always seemed that old people were the majority of those who line up. Of course, there were also a lot of older people, entrusted by their children to come buy [tickets]~ Poor parents, on such a cold day… 爱死你

By the time it was my turn, there wasn’t much to choose from, only morning [showings] and seats on the left and right edges of the middle 10 rows, so I bought them~!! My precious tickets~ 拍手 亲

princetsuyoshi:

Let me contribute a photo, taken this morning. 狂笑

The above photo is the Hersey’s World next to Peace Cinemas at Raffles City Mall beside People’s Square in Shanghai. Peace Cinemas is one of the few cinemas with IMAX. It is really difficult to buy a ticket right now and I have decide I must go see it in 3D IMAX. Therefore, I am waiting for the movie to cool down and there are less people later before I can go watch it. :(

From KDS, this morning on Thursday 2010 January 7:

A video if the photos are not enough to show you how crazy the situation is:

Some people like to show off their tickets:

dii815mhz:

[replying to the commenter who posted the above tickets]

Third row? Brother, I feel sorry for you! Third row, you’re just waiting to get a neck sprain, looking up like that. What more, the upper half of the screen pretty much will be completely unrelated to you.

2009 January 8 UPDATE: New pictures from KDS of people camping overnight to buy tickets…

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  1. funny how the Chinese people always take this kind of thing as being an attack on them… just remember how the early American settlers forced the native American Indians off their land… there was no guy in blue to help them

  2. The only real issue I have with all of this is the way they translate Avatar into Chinese… a lot of the teachers here call it ava DAR and say this is how they read the Chinese characters. Why? I ask, why for heavens sake? Whats wrong with ta they have this sound in Chinese its not like it was four f’s and a silent q is it?… Sorry, I’m an English teacher and therefore a bit pedantic about English.

  3. I suggest you should all watch a film called Full Metal Jacket

  4. ā fán dá” …….hahahahahaaaa

  5. I finally saw this movie at the IMAX. Good effects, cliched plot line, but definitely entertaining and should be watched by everyone just to see advancements in movie making technology.

    The people who are mad at the movie are mostly military types whose feelings are hurt because in the movie the military (marines, specifically) are made to be idiotic tools of mega corporations. It reminds some of the US occupation of Iraq: although the military people themselves like to believe that they exist to “protect freedom” and all that other bs you know that the US invaded Iraq because of business interests.

    That is not to say that the liberals should not be made fun of, someone posted this on the slate messageboard: “We killed all the Indians, took their land, cultivated it with slaves, and got rich. But we’re sorry. Here’s a movie about smurfs that tells you how sorry we are. Boy do I feel better.”

  6. News Update on this subject.

    Apparently the Chinese government is limiting the number of theaters that will show Avatar, to make room for domestic movies. So people can still see it in the limited 3D theaters, but all the 2D theaters will stop showing it.

    LOL… so lame as usual with the Chinese Government.

  7. Hahaha. I don’t know why this was even ‘news’ to me, it should have been 100% expected:

    “The communist nation’s state-run movie distributor China Film Group is unexpectedly yanking the James Cameron-directed blockbuster ‘Avatar’ from 1,628 2-D screens this week in favor of a biography of the ancient philosopher Confucius starring Chow-Yun Fat. … According to a report in the Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily, the move was made at the urging of propaganda officials who are concerned that ‘Avatar’ is taking too much market share from Chinese films and drawing unwanted attention to the sensitive issue of forced evictions.”

  8. Just found your site from reading the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/movies/20avatar.html I like what you are doing, it’s very interesting I hope you keep it up.

  9. pretty funny how even the most open minded analysts persist in relating avatar only to human affairs. oh, the plight of the feather indians. oh, how hard the palestinians have it. which is fair enough, but given the fact the the naavi arent human, this could just as well be a cipher for our collective affect on animal populations. but who cares about diminishing fish stocks and ritualised animal torture in scientific tests when theres a bunch of humans who being oppressed.

    the film was a crock of shit anyway, like the navi needed this human savior to come help them.

  10. IMAX still sold out in Beijing. Scalpers want 300RMB a ticket!

  11. who said this movie concerns chinese people, it’s more about history and human behaviour…

  12. this film is not about china, or any other place on the earth.

    this film is based on budhism, arianism, good-energy—the light world, and dark world. this film is about avatars in the universe…this isn’t about gravatar.com :)

    very good movie…very good message.

    aum-om

  13. I love this movie especially the effects. Quite entertaining – and if you want to be entertain and not just delve into the meaning of whoever character is try watching it.

  14. wth is wrong with hentai?

  15. oh really, how much more? here they charged 5 dollars more

  16. Kaze no tani no Nausicaa :p

  17. FernGully had literally the exact same story, wise locals, pride in nature, sexy alien girls and Robin Williams as a sassy backtalking bat. Was I the only person who watched it as a kid?

  18. HI I AM GGGGAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!

    oh oh oops i meant rmb not dollars. shit, i just spoiled the illusion of living in china.i actually post these comments from the prison library. being a homo is really a god send in a place like this. no shortage of cock.just want everyone to know that my attempts to be all nice and kind and non abrasive all of a sudden are in vain. i realise that i am still a stupid little moron.

  19. Jones,

    Reread what you’re quoting and think about this for a moment. Next, what makes you think I think people can’t comment about China and Chinese people?

    Jones, I don’t think people can’t comment. I simply wish more people would comment intelligently and reasonably. This is not the first time you’re misrepresenting me.

    Now if you reread my comment, you may connect that I don’t think people who often complain “the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” usually make intelligent and reasonable comments. This is my experience usually. Some people actually make that complaint appropriately in response to a real Chinese prick who genuinely says and believes that of Chinese, and I usually number amongst those people.

    Thinking that an obvious example of Chinese people openly pointing out something negative about their society would shut up those who think the Chinese always think they are the greatest because it goes against what they prefer to believe and often love to trot out DOES NOT EQUAL thinking people can’t comment about China and Chinese people.

    Yes, Jones, this does seem familiar. Not awkwardly, but rather disappointingly. I beg of you to please kindly read what I say carefully. I feel you’re trying to pick a fight with me when I’ve been largely cordial with you.

  20. Jones,

    I’m going to diverge from the topic to address something else you brought up.

    I didn’t bring it up. You did.

    You seem to be having this seemingly paranoid-like quick response to things I say as being an insult to you or act like I’m just waiting to ambush you constantly.

    You mean like your paranoia when someone mentions “Americans” in a comment? Jones, when you stop addressing the issue of contention and start dropping petty insults about my responses being “novels”, you are insulting me. I write as long as I feel necessary to feel like I’m commnicating honestly with you. It is out of respect that I spend my time responding to someone I believe is being sincere with me.

    No, I’m not being critical of you for typing long posts.

    I feel you’re being disingeneous.

    I only said that because I actually did not want to constantly be typing out long responses.

    Wouldn’t it make sense to write a shorter response about the points instead of commenting about how long I write if you don’t want to constantly type out long responses? Jones, a big part of why my comments are long is because I want to be very clear about what I’m saying, especially when people misrepresent what I say. I must clarify because others choose to put words in my mouth. You’ve done that, so I have to clarify it, at least until I run out of patience and conclude you will intentionally persist in misrepresenting me.

    I’m not great enough with words to make a one-paragraph response out of a 12 paragraph structured reply complete with HTML coding completely picking apart everything I say. Again, not trying to insult you.

    Hm.

    Jones, I go through the trouble of using HTML such as blockquotes to make it EASIER for you to understand what I’m saying and what I’m responding to, NOT HARDER. If you say something that is unfair to me, why would you expect me to NOT pick it apart and correct it? If you misrepresent me, am I supposed to not react or defend myself?

    Simply saying that I’d rather keep it short. On my part. If at all possible.

    How am I stopping you from keeping it short on your part, Jones?

    That first comment wasn’t even completely serious. Sarcastic if you will.

    I’m going to have to disagree. What is sarcastic about you putting words in my mouth? Again, I ask you: “what makes you think I think people can’t comment about China and Chinese people?”

    I didn’t do that to make a point against you or anything. I swear it.

    Again, we’ll have to disagree.

    Do you get what I’m saying here?

    Honestly, and I’m not being snide, no, I didn’t get what much of the preceding paragraph was about. It sounds like you’re saying “no, Kai, YOU’RE the one trying to start a fight with ME” but I’ll let you clarify if I’m wrong and if you want.

    I’m not out to get you. Not out to throw out stupid little insults…

    I genuinely feel the record suggests otherwise. However, I think you’re exaggerating how much I feel you are “out to get me”. I do still think you were originally trying to suggest I’m being hypocritical in how I treat you versus other people. Now I think you’re trying to make me sound paranoid.

    Jones, no one likes to be misunderstood or, worse, misrepresented. I can’t control how you understand me but I can challenge how you misrepresent me because there’s a record I can point to in appeal.

    I do get the general idea that you’re trying to explain how I’ve misunderstood your comments in this thread. But honestly, I don’t find your explanations here to be compelling or persuasive. HERE, Jones, not everywhere. Believe it or not, I agree with many of your comments. I plus them sometimes. In this particular thread of discussion, however, I do think you were trying to elbow me in the ribs, but I see your reasons for doing so to be based upon a misrepresentation of me that I don’t appreciate, especially because I’ve spent the time and energy writing long responses in multiple efforts to establish an understanding of each other and each other’s positions.

    By the way, the comment: “If you don’t regularly trot out “the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest”, I’m not referring to you nor am I making an indiscriminate criticism, am I?”, given the fact that you were talking about the critical foreigners, sounds like someone saying “Chinese people are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest”. Then when you confront the guy about it, he says “well, if you’re not arrogant and don’t think you’re the greatest, then I wasn’t talking about you, was I?” Needs to be a little bit more specific from the get-go to avoid misrepresentation.

    I didn’t understand pretty much this entire paragraph. If I understood the last sentence correctly, however, I’ll say that I don’t think what I said was unreasonably ambiguous except to a guilty conscience. I most certainly didn’t say something as general as “critical foreigners”.

    Jones, to bring things full circle, go back to your first comment. “Come on now, Kai” what? “awkwardly familiar” what? Was I talking about you, Jones? Or did you feel I was talking about you? Did you feel like I was telling people that they can’t comment abut China and Chinese people? Did you say that sarcastically? You seem to be saying that you did, right? Okay, explain to me why you made it and how you think your sarcasm should’ve been abundantly clear to me that I wouldn’t have misinterpreted as you misrepresenting me or trying to make a point about and/or against me. You swear, but it just doesn’t add up for me.

  21. instead of ‘pandora’ call it smurf village. instead of unobtainium call it smurfberries. instead of whatever corporation it was in avatar, call it capitalism etc..etc..just a representation of whats happenin man

  22. It’s still surprising that a move that can so easily conjure up those things, for so many people, got passed the censors.

  23. Jones,

    Because the idea that “Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” would be an assumption by individual persons, to a different degree with each person, and thus be something of an opinion…since no one can rationally claim that all Chinese act a certain way since I doubt anyone, even the most social of Chinese citizens, knows enough Chinese people well enough to base such a claim on fact.

    Yes, it is an assumption and opinion that is NOT rational, thus NOT intelligent and NOT reasonable for anyone who considers themself intelligent. What I object of those people who do that is precisely that.

    My point being: while I agree with you that it’s pretty ignorant to just automatically blurt out such nonsense, it would also be equally ignorant for someone to think they need to “shut the fuck up” (yes, I’m agreeing with your earlier argument),

    Yes, thank you for agreeing with me. No, it is not “equally ignorant” to think evidence that contradicts their popularized opinion would shut them up. Moreover, it is not “equally ignorant” to be critical of people who would utter unintelligent, unreasonable, and — as you say above — irrational comments.

    You have not explained how it is “equally ignorant”, you’re only accusing it of such here. How can it be ignorant when I specifically state the conditions for my criticism to apply? If you don’t regularly trot out “the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest”, I’m not referring to you nor am I making an indiscriminate criticism, am I?

    Let me give you an example of the form of my criticism:

    “I thought this would make all the “oh, the foreigners are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” Chinese shut the fuck up for once.”

    This objection is qualified. It refers to a specific subset of people characterized by something. On the other hand, “oh, the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” and its similar forms are assertive, attaching a characterization to the whole.

    especially given the fact that the person who is ordering such a thing had once told someone else to stop telling people to not make the ever-present, equally generalizing claims against people based on a certain nationality (especially when seeming “out of the blue”).

    I’m not ordering them. You’re misrepresenting me and this is annoying because this is precisely what we talked about before: you misrepresenting people. I DID express that I think these translated comments contradict what the people who say those things think. It would shut them up because it contradicts what they like to accuse of the Chinese.

    You’re trying to accuse me of hypocrisy here and while I can be hypocritical just like anyone else, I fail to see the hypcrisy you’re trying to pin on me here. Our previous discussions were also not about me telling you to “stop telling people to not make the ever-present, equally generalizing claims against people based on a certain nationality”. It was me explaining to you how you’re misrepresenting others and how certain things you accuse as being out of the blue aren’t actually out of the blue and have some relation to the topic they’re responding to or the point they’re supporting.

    You’re smart enough to know that pointing out such a thing is trivial in the mind of those who are quick to quickly generalize a group of people based on their nationality or the actions of a few members of their nation/race/society/etc.

    Yes, I agree it is trivial in the minds of those guilty. I agree the most hardcore of them will not change or feel embarrassed. I do hope the less hardcore will, though. I’m also smart enough to know that I’m not making an unqualified, unintelligent, or unreasonable comment here.

    What I see is your support of silencing those making irrational claims, based on their own simple-minded and ethnocentric ideas, against the Chinese. However, if it comes down to another entire nationality of people being bashed on a regular basis by someone with a childish and easily-manipulated world view, then by all means you support their right to voice these and will write a novel trying to discredit anyone who speaks up against it as “so sensitive”.

    You’re again misrepresenting my position in an effort to call me a hypocrite. Jones, I often write a lot when I comment, but dude, you comment the most out of everyone here. Are you joining the ranks of those who feel compelled to express their dislike for me by repeatedly trotting out petty insults about how much I write? You do understand that’s you attacking me instead of attacking my points, right?

    Jones, you were “so sensitive” because you misrepresented “shitty American tourists” as “all Americans” or even “all American tourists.” You have, several times now, misrepresented people’s points as being “out of the blue” simply because they included an allusion to “Americans” without stopping for a moment to see if they’re qualifying their allusion.

    I was not trying to discredit you for being against unfair generalizations. You’re again misrepresenting me. I was not trying to discredit you at all. I clearly stated that we both are against unfair generalizations, but that you were completely misunderstanding and then misrepresenting the commenters who had invoked America.

    You’re trying to make me sound like I go out of my way to attack anyone who objects to their non-Chinese nationality being unfairly attacked. That is not the case. Have you seen me to that to anyone else? Is there an actual trend you can cite instead of just accuse? I’ll happily await your links and defend myself if you go down that route.

    No, Jones, I’m not going to let you project that onto me and make a straw man for yourself to beat. I suspect you’re only upset and feel singled out when I decided I wanted to help explain to you what you repeatedly and exasperatedly expressed, in multiple posts, in response to multiple commenters, your inability to understand why Americans were being mentioned and how “out of the blue” it all was.

    Relax, though, because that comment was only half-way serious in the first place. I realize you were pointing out their obvious misunderstanding of the fact that the Chinese commentators were being sarcastic and humorous. Of course, even with it being hopefully obvious sarcasm on their part, why would it be wrong for them to assume that they’re being 100% serious? There’s currently no manner in which to prove someone is actually being sarcastic on the internet. Not that I’m aware of, at least.

    Ugh, you’re trying to play both sides here, agreeing with me that the translated comments were sarcastic yet trying to defend those who misread them by trying to make me sound like I don’t already recognize the possibility of people misreading sarcasm on the internet. Haven’t I already said that I recognize the inherent possibility, from the very first comment, no less?

    Jones, it’s not wrong for them to misread because its understandably possible, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t wrong with their interpretation, that they didn’t misread. Note that those are two different things. With the latter, “wrong” means they were incorrect, not that they’re “evil”. If they persist in defending their incorrect understanding, after people have made a compelling case of what is correct, THEN it would “wrong” of them to do so because they’re being willfully stupid. If they’re being willfully stupid, then we have to question why: Why do they insist on misunderstanding or mischaracterizing the translated Chinese comments?

    I don’t think anyone is really persisting in defending their initial misunderstanding here though.

    However, I must say that I do see a bit of jumpiness on your part. Why would I seek to pick a fight with you? That’s not a rhetorical question.

    I see people who should be smart enough to understand my position to not repeatedly misrepresent it. Insofar as you are doing that, I do see you as trying to start a fight with me.

    I could have just continued that one drawn-out series of novels from before. Or, I could have started it a long time ago on any of your other posts.

    Yes, you could have, and you still can. No one asked you to stop, least of all me. I have no problem with people questioning my points or position and defending them.

    So why this assumption that my intention is not to point out what I see as similar to the reason you called me out…but rather merely to pick a fight with you?

    Answered above. I fail to see the similarity. The only similarity is that someone was responding to someone else. The content of that response is substantially different. That is what I see. I recognize you don’t see that and that even after my explanation, you may not see it still. I’ll just have to disagree with you.

    I’m allowed to reply to something you post with a disagreeing point of view or even a negative opinion about what you say, am I not?

    This is you trying to make me look like I disallow people to comment. As I’ve said before, I don’t have an issue with people commenting by itself but I do strongly desire that people make intelligent and reasonable comments. Given how I feel that you’re repeatedly misrepresenting me, which I’ve explained above, I do not feel you are making an intelligent and reasonable response to me.

  24. Damn. Its 950 in Shanghai.

  25. King Tubby,

    No, I don’t think the average punter reads our exchanges and I’m not appealing to them to do so. Jones replied to me, and I reply to him. It isn’t as if we have each other’s e-mail addresses or telephone numbers so unfortunately for you, you’ll have to endure us using the one medium we know each other from to communicate with each other. It’s as simple as that, as simple as you replying to others and others replying to you.

    As for your facts, I appreciate them, but that wasn’t the discussion between Jones and I. It was the discussion between Mike Fish and I.

  26. King Tubby,

    You have a problem with my comments on here? Why? You weren’t suggesting anything I posted was racist or biased were you? If so, I’d love to see a quote or something. Also, you shouldn’t throw “non-funny” aspersions around so easily. I’m usually very funny! I had a fever for the last few days, so was stuck, locked in my bedroom, away from my family, and was totally humorless.

  27. Jones,

    I think it’s clear we will not see eye to eye on what happened here. It’s also clear we now resent each other. I’m sorry that’s how this is going to end, but I can live with it.

  28. you guys will make a perfect couple…..hahahaha

  29. King Tubby,

    I don’t know why you added this extra comment an hour and a half later when your previous comment was perfect. It’s as if you went out of your way to take a jab at me after successfully establishing an understanding between us.

    King Tubby, you’ve been making some snide comments about me over the past few weeks, such as surrounding the whole Readers Choice awards thing. I’ve largely ignored them but this makes it look like you’re trying to irritate me.

    There is nothing wrong with me today or the previous few days, if you’re referring to my replies to Mike Fish or Jones. If you’ve actually read our exchanges, you shouldn’t pretend like you didn’t hear me repeatedly state that I actually did consider Mike Fish as one of the “good people” on this site, which was precisely why I was so surprised with his comment.

    I’m not out to make terminal enemies of “good people” on this site. I think you know that, which is why it sucks that you’re characterizing my disagreement and my explanations of my disagreements as such. It would seriously suck if these “good people” suddenly think me their enemy just because I disagree and bother to explain my disagreements with them. I personally have higher expectations of them. Don’t you?

    I’m relaxed and I don’t think my ego or cred is on the line. You’re now making ad hominem attacks against me with such statements instead of discussing the original disagreements. This happens far too often. I know you find me annoying. You’ve stated it plenty of times in the past. Now that you know I know, you can stop trying to get me to notice. Do you see me going around making snide comments about you? Please return the favor. Both of us can be more mature than this.

  30. Da fei ji, you are either a low-quality troll or a dumbass who needs to look up what is meant by the expression chip on the shoulder.

    Either way, it’s not good.

  31. That’s a pretty ridiculous statement. Obviously, the US is a young culture, but it’s also not like any culture springs from nothing. It has a long line of antecedents to which it is indebted.

    Culture is an inherently bourgeois concept anyway. Culture exists in any group of people that has any set of shared behaviors, beliefs, etc. Making the claim that one culture is better than another is just snobbery.

    Of course, saying the culture that produced the likes of Miles Davis, David Foster Wallace, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert Rauschenberg, Richard Feynman, David Lynch, et al, each a distinctive thinker who reflects a different part of the US, is not a culture at all seems petty and thoughtless.

    At the very least, one part of US culture is creativity and doing what you want, which gives people a choice. They can enjoy the things listed above or they can enjoy the less (to me) impressive aspects of US culture, the Britney Spearses, the KFCs, the Dan Browns.

    Or they can do what most people do and mix the “high” and “low” culture. The rest of the world is just as lazy as Americans so they will consume the “low” parts of US culture because they have a higher marketing budget.

  32. its what they call an Oxymoron two words that mean the opposite.. a bit like military intelligence one contradicts the other… a bit like Chinese Manners

  33. Okay, this is getting so ridiculous that I’m going to make my first comment here. I’ll try to be “fair” but I’m not going to sugarcoat it or even bother with “I” language.

    Look at yourselves. You’ve even managed to get Fauna’s attention, to the point where she’s inserting scathing notes in your comments to shame you. Think for a moment how big of a dumbass must you be behaving like to earn that dubious honor. Every single day, we see the most ignorant hare-brained garbage get posted in the comments of this website nonstop and she doesn’t make a peep. Imagine how much you must be getting on her nerves for her to notice and then bother with you guys.

    Mike Fish:

    You got it wrong and got called out for it. That must’ve been some flu or fever for you to think it was a good idea to try to argue your way out of it and then proceed to spam other comments claiming sarcasm. Fuck, man, people make mistakes. It was okay to just admit it or even slink off and pretend it never happened. At least your disagreement with Kai actually started over a genuine misunderstanding.

    Jones:

    Who the hell did you expect to convince with the whole “I wasn’t really serious” bullshit? And did you really think no one knows what you meant with “novels” and shit? Did you really think Kai would buy that? Do you think the rest of us are stupid that we’d buy it too? Every person that has gone up against Kai here and lost always resorts to attacking him about how much he writes or some other personal attack. You know what that says? It says you’ve run out of intelligent points to make. That’s the equivalent of you making a face at him as you limp away. You have no excuse for not knowing how Kai usually responds. You’ve been around long enough. You’ve even argued before. Fuck, I bet at least half of us here are pleasantly shocked, rubbing our fucking eyes, every time he leaves a comment that doesn’t exceed 10 lines. We even doubt its him if its only one line. If you go up against Kai in a debate and he thinks you’re wrong, you’re going to get him proving you wrong in every fucking way he can think of, especially if you make some real fucking stupid comments. If you don’t like Kai deconstructing what you say and making you look bad, then put more thought into constructing what you say. Claiming internet arguments aren’t “that important” isn’t an excuse. It just says you’re lazy and won’t take responsibility for what you say.

    King Tubby:

    Maybe you should “off yourself”? What the fuck? Do you know how you sound? Stop being a baby. There’s a reason Kai is pissed at you and you can find that reason in the mirror. You dumbass, what did expect when you posted that comment? You didn’t think those were personal attacks? Are you stupid? Of course they are. Don’t fucking suckerpunch someone and then cry when you get clocked for it. And Kai’s right, you’ve been egging him for awhile now. You egg him again with this last comment. “Wah wah, Kai’s mad at me! Wah!” Grow the fuck up and learn to bite off what you can chew. You know Kai can be a hardass but you went for it anyway. That’s like sticking your asshole over a glory hole and complaining when a throbbing dick finds its way into your sphincter.

    Kai: I saved you for last. You know what? Your comments are almost always “intelligent and reasonable”. Fuck, you’re almost always “right” too. I don’t even mind how long you comment even if it breaks my scrollwheel because I actually accept why you write as much as you do. But while you’ve actually gotten better than you were before, with the whole “we’ll have to disagree” shit, you know what your problem is? You don’t know how to fucking give people face and give them a graceful way out. And that’s a fucking big problem. I know you know what this means. I know it isn’t fair when the other guy was provoking you first like Jones and King Tubby and I’m sure you know how and know when to do it in real life but, fuck, be the better man and learn how to do it online too, you dumbass.

    Now, you fuckers, carry on.

  34. Commenting on a bunch of moronic comments… and letting us know how moronic they all are… seriously? Good job. Thanks. I now know where you stand.

  35. I’m not entirely surprised, see as y’all can’t speak or spell worth a damn.

  36. Really at a deeper point one portion of the message that was lost might be that simply some things are without price. The chinese were ready to lynch somebody over some faucet nozels(summer palace relics) and the Americans swear allegiance to a piece of paper(the Consitution[literally and figuratively]. Agree with Jones as these guys had tons of technology which was way more advanced than anything the humans brought with em.

  37. Dude thats all I was thinking the whole time I was watching it. Its like Ferngully but they fuck and blow shit up. Although this one did manage not to be a full on Captain Planet moment.

  38. “It really amazes me how almost every single foreign event that happens in China they always have to associate it with something politically or economically.
    I read the translated Chinese comments and it really is messed up how most of them are hating on the director because they have this delusional thing that the director was specifically targeting China’s economic problems with house eviction.”

    its called paranoia

  39. oooh nice , very nice

  40. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=atZXKA4z47bU

    “Revenue from 3-D showings accounted for 84 percent of ticket sales last week, Wu said.”

    Sheesh.

    When the hell did China stop showing Avatar in the theaters? Yes, the 2D showings of Avatars were pulled to make room for the stupid Confucious movie, but something like 80% of the Avatar showings are in 3D.

    So yes, there will continue to be a lot more cheap gimmicks for the locals to make off the popularity of Avatar, because it will continue to be the most popular movie in China for a while even when it loses 20% of the 2D market. But let’s not ignorance get in the way of your analysis..

  41. dude, CHINESE PEOPLE hate patriotic PRC shit movies, LOL. It is like grossly exaggerated romance film that is so disgusting it makes you feel so ill and uncomfortable it make your skin crawl. Contrary to common believe, the Chinese people are actually the most resilient to propaganda of any form. A real Chinese does NOT trust a government at all, no matter what kind of government. Propaganda has been so saturated in our history (and it is not just from 1949) that at the present stage, even a democratic reform will not help much immediately. For example, an average Chinese immigrant or naturalized citizen in American does NOT trust even the good mighty fair merciful democratic American government as much as an American would.

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