‘Avatar’ Movie, Chinese Reactions & Long Lines In Shanghai

James Cameron’s latest film, Avatar, was released in China on 2010 January 2. Many Chinese are familiar with and loved James Cameron’s previous famous film, Titanic
, which is still the number one most successful movie in history. Although Avatar or 《阿凡达》 (“ā fán dá”, in Chinese) has premier two weeks later in China than the rest of the world, it has become very popular and successful as many Chinese are waiting in lines every day to buy tickets to watch the movie.

The Chinese people who have watched Avatar have praised the amazing computer special effects, but this is expected. What is more interesting is how many Chinese people feel the story of Avatar is very similar to a controversial social issue in China.

In the movie, humans use violence to take the land of the Na’vi alien residents on the alien world of Pandora. In China, there are news reports and internet postings about local Chinese governments using violence to forcefully evict residents from their homes (to demolish the buildings and redevelop the land). chinaSMACK translated and reported some of these stories in recent months, such as  Woman Sets Self On Fire To Protest Demolition Of Home and Kunming Residents Believe In Brother Chun To Save Homes.

Now that you are aware of that background, you can understand the sarcastic reactions that many Chinese netizens have posted on BBS forums after watching Avatar

Comments from Tianya (1, 2, 3):

cb900:

Strongly condemn the Western director for using Avatar to allude to China’s current situation!!

尸发布大局为重:

Avatar is the story of violent eviction and demolition [of people's homes] in China.

abcd2012:

The humans actually failed to successfully evict and demolish [the aliens]?
Truly embarrassing.
Why didn’t they send China’s chengguan there earlier?

“With the chengguan, the world is mine, hahahaha…”

清新的风1977:

On what basis/authority do they openly demand to leave the land and homes they have lived in for generations?

fly19820717:

China’s demolition crews must go sue Old [James] Cameron, sue him for piracy/copyright infringement.

我的祖国很伟大啊:

Stop making a fuss brothers!

Keep making a fuss and it will be banned like “Dwelling Narrowness“!

And then we will only be able to watch recordings of Mao Zedong.

shen92512:

This film is too reactionary,
encouraging China’s ordinary common people
to use violence to resist demolition!!!
[It is an] attempt to subvert the great China!!

别再叫我美女:

I was shocked by the special effects.

dcpxx:

I went to see the first showing of “Avatar” yesterday and was completely shocked! Pandora was so realistic, and [I felt I] could touch it…
After I came back, a coworker’s comment about the movie gave me another level of understanding:
“Avatar” shows the director’s deep understanding and concern for the (forceful) eviction and demolition [of people's homes] in China!!

今天打死五个老鼠:

Seeing Pandora’s beautiful scenery, I think of the environment around me that has suffered serious destruction.
Seeing the main character’s dauntless energy in fearlessly raising the resistance against the powerful, I think of of the LZ and similar people reacting to society’s injustices only by hiding here [on a BBS forum] and spitting [their complaints].

iskinf:

Looks like American chengguan‘s characters aren’t that much better. Just using a beauty trap, he betrayed [his own].

孙建2006:

Epoch-making masterpiece. China’s bullshit directors should go be their apprentice [go learn from them].

添衣勿缝:

Recommend the Celestial Kingdom [China] quickly blacklist such inharmonious movies.

还是伟软:

Towards [foreign] devils’ films I have always been critical. No matter if it is good or not [to watch], I refuse to go to the cinema to contribute to the [foreign] devils’ box office. I will keep my RMB to contribute what I can to the country’s economic development. Why should I give the foreign devils’ military funds my blood and sweat money, and then let them fly their planes carrying bombs terrorizing my land. I would definitely not do such a beastly thing.

南方的乌鸦:

“Avatar”, Chinese name “A Chengguan’s Vindication/Confessions”
District 9“, Chinese name “Director of Demolitions”
“The Matrix”, Chinese name “State Apparatus”

Welcome those below’s creativity~

yoeasy:

EastSouthWestNorth has translated a few more reviews and reactions to the movie Avatar from some more famous Chinese people. Also see this new post by China Real Time Report (added 2010/01/08). More Chinese blogger reactions on GlobalVoicesOnline (added 2010/01/11).

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From Liba:

My alarm was set for 7:00 in the morning, but I couldn’t get up, only getting up at 7:30, getting there at 8:15~ [Peace Cinemas in downtown Shanghai, by People's Square, yesterday Wednesday 2010 January 6]

I was startled when I got there. By the time I was in line, the line had already turned four times. 吐血

There was nothing that could be done except stand in line honestly, but to tell the truth, this kind of spectacular situation doesn’t come often, all to watch a single movie… hoho~

It happened to be time for people to go to work, so the amount of people passing by were a lot, so basically everyone who passed by and saw such a long line felt it was very interesting and, after asking and learning that it was for a movie ticket, they all felt it was a little unbelievable, haha~ 晕

And what more, those buying tickets were basically all young people, which is also very rare because in the past, it always seemed that old people were the majority of those who line up. Of course, there were also a lot of older people, entrusted by their children to come buy [tickets]~ Poor parents, on such a cold day… 爱死你

By the time it was my turn, there wasn’t much to choose from, only morning [showings] and seats on the left and right edges of the middle 10 rows, so I bought them~!! My precious tickets~ 拍手 亲

princetsuyoshi:

Let me contribute a photo, taken this morning. 狂笑

The above photo is the Hersey’s World next to Peace Cinemas at Raffles City Mall beside People’s Square in Shanghai. Peace Cinemas is one of the few cinemas with IMAX. It is really difficult to buy a ticket right now and I have decide I must go see it in 3D IMAX. Therefore, I am waiting for the movie to cool down and there are less people later before I can go watch it. :(

From KDS, this morning on Thursday 2010 January 7:

A video if the photos are not enough to show you how crazy the situation is:

Some people like to show off their tickets:

dii815mhz:

[replying to the commenter who posted the above tickets]

Third row? Brother, I feel sorry for you! Third row, you’re just waiting to get a neck sprain, looking up like that. What more, the upper half of the screen pretty much will be completely unrelated to you.

2009 January 8 UPDATE: New pictures from KDS of people camping overnight to buy tickets…

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  1. Avatar deserve his popularity, it was an amazing movie!
    Hope chinese movie will reach hollywood one day…

    • Normally I wouldn’t be supportive of the US, but I agree it was an incredibly entertaining movie to watch.

      This sort of cultural contribution is something the Americans could only accomplish – no other country on earth has the sort of funding, creative ambition, and resources with which to make such a production.

      Maybe that will change in the future, but until then, US culture is incredibly innovative.

      • As a piece of technology, this film succeeds. As a film, it’s a trainwreck.

        I’m not sure why the US got dragged into this argument, but, regardless of that, this film, of the three I saw while back in the states (the others being The Road and A Serious Man) was by far the dumbest, most shallow and least satisfying.

        To say that any country is good at creating art in comparison to others is ridiculous. Feel free to take issue with Hollywood blockbuster type movies such as this one, but to suggest that these are made as art rather than a (hugely successful) capitalist endeavor reveals very little thought about the subject at hand.

        One thing that is constant as far as I can tell in both the US and China is the audience’s limited appetite for thoughtful movies. Dopey companies and empty action flicks seem to be the most beloved genres everywhere as far as box office is concerned.

        • Companies = comedies. Near homophones trip me up on a near daily basis.

        • I couldn’t agree more

        • this caters to the typical mindless american and chinese.

        • B. Prichard,
          Com’on B, you’re being a self righteous, intellectual, better than everyone else jerk… The movie was just pure entertaining, and sent a simple message everyone understands! If you want intellectual movies go to Canes or some place like that to see movies that don’t make $, don’t impact the world, and no one remembers but your type.

          • I agree, Rick, but I genuinely AM a self-righteous, intellectual, better than everyone jerk. Also, I think there are much better examples of the blockbuster genre, such as The Lord of the Rings or the Nolan Batman movies. I’m not willing to look down my nose at all movies of the sort. I did think Avatar was a big ball of stink, though.

      • american culture, what a poorly thought out statement.

        they are the least cultured people in the universe

        • Da fei ji, you are either a low-quality troll or a dumbass who needs to look up what is meant by the expression chip on the shoulder.

          Either way, it’s not good.

        • That’s a pretty ridiculous statement. Obviously, the US is a young culture, but it’s also not like any culture springs from nothing. It has a long line of antecedents to which it is indebted.

          Culture is an inherently bourgeois concept anyway. Culture exists in any group of people that has any set of shared behaviors, beliefs, etc. Making the claim that one culture is better than another is just snobbery.

          Of course, saying the culture that produced the likes of Miles Davis, David Foster Wallace, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert Rauschenberg, Richard Feynman, David Lynch, et al, each a distinctive thinker who reflects a different part of the US, is not a culture at all seems petty and thoughtless.

          At the very least, one part of US culture is creativity and doing what you want, which gives people a choice. They can enjoy the things listed above or they can enjoy the less (to me) impressive aspects of US culture, the Britney Spearses, the KFCs, the Dan Browns.

          Or they can do what most people do and mix the “high” and “low” culture. The rest of the world is just as lazy as Americans so they will consume the “low” parts of US culture because they have a higher marketing budget.

        • its what they call an Oxymoron two words that mean the opposite.. a bit like military intelligence one contradicts the other… a bit like Chinese Manners

    • A chinese movie has reached hollywood, actually many epic chinese films have (hero for 1 example) have. even a remake of a chinese movie “Infernal affairs” a hong kong film got remade into an hollywood film know as “the Departed.”

  2. Actually, I was surprised that Avatar could be released in this country. Although, already surprised me that China has cinemas at all. :)

    • Oh my god…living under a rock much?

      Though I guess being on chinaSMACK is the perfect site for you then: bringing China in a modern perspective to people who don’t speak Chinese.

      But then more than half the stuff on this isn’t positive. Ah well. Reality.

    • You started with a sarcastic commentary on the restrictive expression in China, went to far and now come across as an ignorant hick. I’m surprised you have heard of China.

      • Walter the film has as much right to be aired in China, then any other country in the world. And as for China not having any Cinema’s, have you ever been to China? You take the all generalisation are true argument to a new level… Well I can honestly say that all of the east coast cities i have travelled to in China have cinema’s.

        • “Walter the film has as much right to be aired in China, then any other country in the world.”
          Wow! And you REALLY believe what you say????
          Think this trough once again, please. Suggested keywords: cum-munism, reg*ime, dick thatorsiph, cenhzursiph, braynwashin propuganda. (sorry for my writing, I guess you understand why I write like this :))
          “…as much right…” Check this please: according to the existing and operative laws of PRC, NO MORE than 20 (TWENTY) foreign movies can be released PER YEAR. Check the list of the banned movies too, please. As much right. Sure.
          “…then any other country in the world.” Any. Sure. Like N-Korea, Cuba, Chad and Iraq. Not I am the one who is generalizing. :)
          Watching the Avatar movie in a cinema is absolutely not as self-evident in China as you think.

        • i have been to many chinese cinemas, you go to the local wang ba (internet cafe) and get two chairs and watching stolen streaming video. it is a great place to finger your date or get a handjob. at some cinemas you can pay chinese girls 100 kuai ($14) to pleasure you.

      • No sarcasm at all. What we have here is a country with the lack of clean air, clean water, basic hygiene, female orgasm, dignity, honour, proper education, heating system, human rights, etc.
        Meanwhile we have poisonous milk, fake and harmful products, stenching(!) female university students, racism, stone-age-like dark primitiveness (ignorant hicks?), cenhzursiph, starving and freezing children and misery.
        No, as practically the whole first level of the Maslow-pyramid is missing, having cinemas in this country, is way not obvious.

    • To all the people voting this comment down… ever consider it might be sarcasm? Isn’t it obvious?

    • Dude!! U are really a disgrace to the American people. When people say Americans are so close minded, it’s not wrong. What u know is just what is in ur country. U need to travel around the world and stop being stereotypical.
      Jeez,u’re a disgrace to we foreigners!

  3. Many of the comments show the small-mindedness and self-centered “me me me” mind-set of those who posted along those lines.

    The story much more closely resembles the global problem of countries (US?) invading other countries for natural resources without really giving a shit about the local people, only to the extent that the people/investors back home don’t have a guilty conscience for using whatever was pilfered from their invasion. Military/corporatism hand-in-hand, etc.

    • Instead of “Pandora”, call it Iraq, instead of Unobtanium, call it oil, instead of whatever corporation it was in Avatar, call it Halliburton, etc..etc..just a representation of what’s happenin.

      • Ok. So.

        1) Iraq had a pretty bad dude who ruled the country and had threatened peace in the area many times in the past. The Na’vi didn’t have a strong-arm dictator with a sketchy past.

        2) I disagree completely with the Iraq war, but the oil argument is completely fallacious. Countries do not buy oil from other countries. Oil is a commodity as is corn or timber. It is bought and sold by the companies who produce that commodity or by traders who own some of the commodity’s rights.

        The US government (as an entity) would not have seen any more oil as a result of the invasion of Iraq.

        3) A more apt comparison would be the relationship between early western settlers in the US and Native American tribes (manifest destiny), or indigenous groups in South America and mining corporations that want to exploit the people living on the lands.

        • 1)Do you think U.S. gives a damn that there is a dictator in office? Years back, there was a young man sitting in the U.S. Embassy in Egypt plotting with the Americans to whack the then head of government of Iraq , the same young man eventually became the Kurds massacring dictator, who’s doomed by the same government that helped to put him in power. National interests determines friend and foes, not ethics.

          2)Simply because one is elected as the leader of a country does not mean the interest of the country is his highest priority. What line of business was the Bush family involved in that generated such wealth for them?
          After the elected terms, the president is just another man who will have look out for his interest. Politicians who abuse their powers for personal gain is everyday news, but somehow we can’t really wrap our heads around it when happens on an international scale?

        • Marx, actually it IS oil.
          Not that US can loot oil from Iraq, but it can easily have control of the world’s oil faucet if necessary.
          To make it very clear: China (actually not only China, but let’s simplify the situation here) greatly relies on oil imported from middle east. What if a war breaks out between China & US? US can simply send their Navy to block the gulf and filter oil tankers bound to China. Then the whole China will be out of blood maybe in one months. For US troops, it makes big difference for them to have solid control on Iraq, rather than just having limited control on the waters. You can imagine that even if you are not a military expert. It feels good if you have the ability to grab the throat of your potential enemies anytime you want.
          Iraq is such an important strategic point, just like Panama. Want to know which locations on this planet are of strategic importance? Just check out where US deployed (or wish to deploy) their military bases.
          If it’s really for peace/democracy as the politicians claimed, why don’t they maneuver their large troops to middle Africa, which is a shittier place than Iraq?

          • Jones, you must have finished reading all my comment in 1 second. You didn’t get my points.
            I said it’s not to “loot oil”, but to control the highland over the world’s oil warehouse. That’s to obtain an ability to overawe other contries.
            Stand higher and you will find it’s easier to understand those national strategies.
            Having understood US’s Iraq strategy, you may also understand why China must maintain a cooperative relationship with Iran & Pakistan. (check the map) China wishes to establish a route on land to obtain oil from middle east, as a backup for the route on sea.
            Then, you can see another benefit for US to insert their army into Afghanistan.
            BTW, a few years in the *** University of International Studies is really helpful for me to see more.

        • “The US government (as an entity) would not have seen any more oil as a result of the invasion of Iraq”…

          Oil is just one of the reason to invade Iraq.. Do you know how much the US gov made after the 2nd World War on Japanese and German currencies? Before the Iraq war, the dinar is probably 300 to 1 USD.. now its about 1150 to 1 USD.. right after the fall of Iraq 7 years ago, it was 3000 to 1 USD… invest USD 1m on dinar you get back USD 10m..
          Let’s just hope US invade another country again..

        • Marx, you’re very uh…naive. To put it lightly. I’ll only touch on one point:

          “The US government (as an entity) would not have seen any more oil as a result of the invasion of Iraq.”

          Do you truly think the “US Gov’t” is a separate entity from the corporations that fund the people who run it? Are you implying big oil and the privatised military sector do not gain SIGNIFICANTLY from controlling Iraqi oil? If you agree with the big oil gains but refuse to accept that the US Gov’t *is* corporatised, you clearly have very little insight on how campaign funding and senate/congress relationships with industry works. (ie vote now, cash in later.)

        • your thinking is narrow and shows typical american ignorance.

          in some countries the government controls the money and makes purchases, north korea, china, etc.

      • Thanks for clearing that up, Rick. I would have never, ever caught on.

        I don’t know if you noticed this, but in District 9, if you really pay close attention you’ll see that it is a very subtle allegory about apartheid in that very same South Africa.

      • Instead of “Pandora”, call it West Indies, instead of Unobtanium, call it new land, instead of whatever corporation it was in Avatar, call it Pilgrims / Conquistadors / (basically the white man), etc..etc..just a representation of what’s happenin.

      • Aw why not just stay within Disney realms?

        http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/

      • Iraq signed its first major oil deal with a foreign company since the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime, a spokesman for the Iraqi Oil Ministry said Saturday [August 30, 2008].The contract with the China National Petroleum Corporation could be worth up to $3 billion. It would allow the CNPC to develop an oil field in southern Iraq’s Wasit province for about 20 years, Oil Ministry spokesman Assim Jihad said. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/08/30/iraq.china.oil.deal/index.html

  4. Visually the movie was stunning. Definitely the prettiest filming I’ve ever seen.

    Im a bit confused at some of the reactions of Chinese people thinking the movie is about china and insulting the Chinese. I didnt see that, personally: I thought the movie was anti company or private corporation, not government, but thats just me.

    But the most ironic thing about the movie was its anti-corporation, anit-capitalist themes, return to nature, live in harmony with your surroundings, etc. All fine ideas; however, it cost 300 million USD to make, used the latest technology and i dont think james cameron is complaining about the millions he is banking on this.

    It might seem hypocritical – extolling the simple navi lifestyle, compared to the technologically superior humans, while making absurd amounts of money and using technology to make the movie that the movie portrays as harmful.

    will cameron or others who agree with the movie’s themes give up their cash, mansions, cars and computers, and move out in the woods like henry david thoreau (or the navi), and live as they have depicted?

    • I know the Chinese aren’t renowned for their sarcasm, but I think the posters were joking when they wrote angry comments about the movie disrespecting China.

      And I think Cameron has a very serious case of “Do as I say not as I do.” But, then again, the self-important usually do.

    • you dont understand the chinese

      你不懂中国人

  5. Some dam chinese are so self-centered that thought their nation is the core of the world. Why the heck Cameron have to make a movie about home eviction related matter that happen in China?

  6. NuwayFollowMeeeeeeInsteeed

    I’m looking at the pix and I can’t help but laugh. I mean WTF blue aliens braids? ;) Sexy alien chick.

    If I had the equipment in my basement I would pirate your shit in a sec.

  7. HI I AM BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
    Well, i watched the movie and think that it was really good, the story was not original but the special effects compensate for it.
    Here in china though they charge more for movies in english and EVEN more for 3-d movies which is an absurd in my opinion, but after all it was worth the money.
    If you are not sure about whether or not you watch, i say go ahead, i am sure you will like it.

  8. I’m kinda surprised at the ego of these people. What makes them think the movie was about China? Or that Cameron was even thinking about China at all, past ordering Chinese take-out, while thinking up this movie?

    I think this movie is meant to be a wake up call to people that we need to respect the world we live in and stop destroying it. That’s why the Nav’i, who live in peace with the land, are painted as the good guys and the humans, who come to rape the planet for resources, are the bad guys.

    This isn’t about any one country. This is about all of us, as a whole, looking at what we’re doing to our world and realizing that its resources aren’t endless, and that it can be poisoned to the point we can’t live on it. It’s about us finding ways to live in harmony with the world, rather than just trying to dominate it and destroy it.

    • “I’m kinda surprised at the ego of these people. What makes them think the movie was about China?”

      They don’t. They are just making a comparison.

      The comments you see are [the sarcastic reactions that many Chinese netizens have posted on BBS forums after watching Avatar…]

      That’s all.

    • You must be real thick to not see the sarcasm behind the comments; then again, you are not Chinese…

  9. The Na’vi alien DO NOT resemble the Iraqi people: The Na’vi are a primitive tribal culture, no dictatorship and was exploited by a powerful interplanetarian corporation with supports of its government. The word “Na’vi” is actually derived from “NAtiVE Indian” of America. Their land and resources was taken by the West Indian Company run by England. Finally United States makes the final blow to the Native Indian race and culture.

  10. I had to stop myself from yelling “If you kick them out of home-tree, they’ll have to come to Shanghai and sell meat-sticks!”… or…”Wow…I didn’t know that Tibetans were blue!”

  11. The Chinese must be very insecure that they think every movie is about China. Avatar is a rehashed version of Pocahantas! It has nothing to do with the Chinese being evicted! It is about people trying to save their society by destroying another society! Same with District 9, it was a fictional take on the events of District Six in Cape Town when people were forcefully evicted through violent and illegal means. Neither of those films are allegories on ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHINA.

    • not to be redundent, but, uh, again… the comments are sarcastic.

    • Congratulations! you took a peek into whats on the mind of an average chinese internet users, his world usually revolves around news and inputs he receives daily.Its easy to associate to what is most familiar to you. While he is bombarded with stories of evictions, I doubt he’s ever taken a class in U.S. history.

  12. LOL @ the so called adults paying to see a cartoon about blue hippies, no better than Jap men reading Hentai on the train without any sense of shame.

    • Cartoon about blue hippies? What is there not to love? Just legalize it, Chairman dude!

    • “no better than Jap men reading Hentai on the train without any sense of shame”
      why’s it got to be japanese men?
      my classmates, particularly the guys, can argue the goodness of porn much better than i can. but man, get some. i’m in the states by the way.

  13. I thought it was ok. It wasn’t that entertaining for me. I respect the killer cgi work though.

  14. It just looks like Star Trek with better special effects. The aliens are still too human looking. Even if they were basically humanoid in shape by convergent evolution they wouldn’t have perfectly human shaped mouths and some of the other features.

    • Dude, are you serious? Everything can’t be totally logical. Being totally scientifically accurate would take away from the story and be annoying as hell. You might as well make the same argument for Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, and any other science fiction or fantasy movie. I bet you think they’re all unrealistic, too.

  15. “Towards [foreign] devils’ films I have always been critical. No matter if it is good or not [to watch], I refuse to go to the cinema to contribute to the [foreign] devils’ box office. I will keep my RMB to contribute what I can to the country’s economic development. Why should I give the foreign devils’ military funds my blood and sweat money, and then let them fly their planes carrying bombs terrorizing my land. I would definitely not do such a beastly thing.”

    SALUTING THIS PATRIOTIC MAN.

    HE IS A BEACON UNTO US ALL.

  16. The idea that government taking away people’s property is exclusive to China is so f-n absurd! Even in the best country now, emminent domain is a part of how occassionaly governments have to get stuff done. Every dam, resevoir, highway, airport, port facility, river embankment, or other major public works project in any place involved somebody, and often many somebodies, having their property taken away by the government. And they likely were neither happy or willing. Sure, hopefully, and usually now they get a could price and there is some sort of due process, but not in the past. Read a book or a newspaper from the US or the UK 50 or 60 years ago. All developed countries have people who have sacrificed their property in the name of the government’s great works. It’s not exclusive to China. People need to stop acting like China’s problems are exclusive to China, that it’s problems are so complex and numerous, as to be un-understandable to non-Chinese. China is not some special victim.

    • Dude, Mike, you should know better than this, especially after three people have previously made the same mistake and have likewise been corrected.

      1. It isn’t too strange for people to recognize similar themes to what they are most familiar with in their lives. It is the nature of humans to associate and disassociate, to liken and differentiate.

      2. It isn’t too strange for people to do #1 with sarcasm and a sense of humor.

      I’m willing to entertain that some humor may be lost in translation or in text form where there is no tone of voice, but honestly, I thought the humor AND Fauna’s introduction should’ve made it quite clear.

      The Chinese commenters aren’t so much commenting about the movie as they are criticizing the controversial forced evictions that have been increasingly reported in China’s news. If anything, foreigners should be flattered that the Chinese think such negative and notorious phenomenon only happens with such notability and in such frequency in China, that they think of China first before they think of it happening in foreign countries. If anything, it shows that the Chinese are fully aware that their shit stinks. I thought this would make all the “oh, the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” foreigners shut the fuck up for once.

      • “I thought this would make all the “oh, the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” foreigners shut the fuck up for once.”

        Watch out everybody… write something critical of what is a real problem in China, and many other places, namely the perception that one’s own problems are some how different than everybodies elses, and Kai will give you a smackdown.

        Kai, you are making many assumptions. Maybe some of those comments are sarcastic and even funny, but there is nothing that says they certainly are, even in the originals. You just hope they are. It also doesn’t change the fact that many people in China do think that China’s problems are so complex and special. Every place has those kinds of people. What’s wrong with me pointing that out? I didn’t make any broad generalizations, did I? I didn’t say “Chinese people” this or “China does this”! What’s with your knee-jerk reaction? What’s with assuming anyone who questions your view is some foreigner who needs to shut the fuck up? I didn’t call anyone an idiot for thinking that their situation is “special”, did I? Do I have to explain why people think that way? I just pointed out examples, nothing more. Please pick my comment apart and show me where I deserved you telling me to shut the fuck up?

        • Mike,

          My comment: “I thought this would make all the “oh, the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” foreigners shut the fuck up for once”

          …was not directed at you personally BUT I do understand how it could be interpreted that way as I was indeed initially posting a reply to you. I just thought you would have known when I’m specifically speaking to you and when I’m just commenting on a general phenomenon. For the misunderstanding, I apologize and I know I could’ve made it more clear.

          I may be wrong, but very honestly, Mike, I don’t remember thinking of you as belonging to that group of people…so I’m surprised you identified with them and thought ME actually telling YOU to “shut the fuck up”. Until now — and again, I may be mistaken — I always thought of you as one of the more reasonable first generation commenters on chinaSMACK. That’s why I said “Dude, Mike, you should know better than this…” because I didn’t expect you to misunderstand the translated comments.

          Unless I totally remember you incorrectly or have you mixed with someone else, you are one of the people I never expect to accuse me of indiscriminately giving people “smackdowns” for saying anything critical of China. I thought you knew me better than that, that you knew my positions.

          Kai, you are making many assumptions. Maybe some of those comments are sarcastic and even funny, but there is nothing that says they certainly are, even in the originals.

          Having read the originals, I disagree. Even so, I’ve stated that I can entertain the fact that sarcasm and humor doesn’t always translate well or isn’t always readily apparent in text form.

          You just hope they are.

          No, I’m much more confident in my understanding of Chinese than mere hope.

          It also doesn’t change the fact that many people in China do think that China’s problems are so complex and special. Every place has those kinds of people.

          I agree that there are many people in China who have a sense of exceptionalism. I agree every place has those kinds of people. I just don’t think anyone should’ve been prompted into thinking that when reading the translated comments. First, I think the sarcasm isn’t that difficult to read. Second, I think Fauna quite clearly spelled it out. I especially didn’t think you would’ve missed it either.

          I understand that not everyone shares the same background familiarity of Chinese netizens OR understands the Chinese language like I do, so there’s always a chance what is obvious to me isn’t to others. I accept that. That’s why I’m responding and sharing why I see what I see.

          What’s wrong with me pointing that out?

          I expect you to not be disingeneous about this. If you want to insist I incorrectly interpreted your comment above as a reaction to the translated comments when you were really just making a separate, unrelated, and non-specific criticism about Chinese exceptionalism, I’ll just have to disagree with you.

          I didn’t make any broad generalizations, did I? I didn’t say “Chinese people” this or “China does this”! What’s with your knee-jerk reaction?

          I didn’t say you did. Why are you applying a common criticism I have towards those guilty of it onto yourself here? You’re misrepresenting my response to you, and personalizing it.

          I apologize again for not making my last paragraph in that first comment clearer. I just thought you’d know when I was switching gears. We’ve seen each other comment for a long time to have a better understanding of each other, haven’t we?

          • Kai,

            Maybe a change of words or addition of one or two might have changed the tone of the whole thing. That’s no big deal.

            About hoping those comments are sarcasm, I don’t question your Chinese, I mean you hope there aren’t people who actually post such moronic tripe. Also, considering the broad spectrum of people who post on China’s forums, you must admit there are many who themselves wouldn’t get the sarcasm and would then start regurgitating that bullshit. My Chinese is…okay… show me the Chinese comment for the below, I couldn’t find it in Tianya though:

            shen92512:
            “This film is too reactionary,
            encouraging China’s ordinary common people
            to use violence to resist demolition!!!
            [It is an] attempt to subvert the great China!!”

          • Mike,

            Of course I hope people wouldn’t post such mornonic tripe, but I wasn’t betting or assuming that no one did. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone did because, as you say, there are all kinds of people in this world and amongst Chinese netizens as well.

            The issue at hand is that people, including you, were taking the translated comments above seriously when I’m confident the comments were sarcastic and self-effacing humor. Since Fauna actually spelled it out, I was surprised people still did so. Since you’re an older commenter on chinaSMACK, I especially didn’t think you’d make the same mistake. Now, I’m not saying there couldn’t possibly have been a serious comment elsewhere, but it would be a stretch to now argue that those responding here were responding NOT to the translated comments but were all along responding to something somewhere else that would’ve justified their reaction.

            The comment you quoted is found on the third Tianya link on the sixth page. It does appear that Fauna attributed it to the wrong person though as it was posted by 大漠苍鹰2007, who was 2 comments earlier than shen92512. I’m sure it was just a simple mistake.

            The comment is also sarcastic and mock overreaction.

    • That’s funny, I must have missed your comment in the lou jing post about how racial segregation and discrminations was still prevalent in the U.S. 50 or 60 years ago and people should stop making such a big fuss over it.

      • Whichone,

        Where did I say government taking property from people wasn’t a big deal? I just said it’s happened before, in many other places. Am I wrong?

        • Even in the best country now, emminent domain is a part of how occassionaly governments have to get stuff done.

          Mike Fish, the intent of your comment is clear enough.

          You did not explicitly say it was not a big deal. However that’s like a 7 year-old kid putting his finger in front of his brother’s face and repeatedly chant “I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you…”.

          • Which one,

            … and I did not follow the above comment with “yippee” or “good stuff”. Clear? Are you wearing coke bottle glasses? Seems you added what you wanted to be there. To clarify, I am against people having their property taken away without due process or proper compensation. I totally support people who fight against corrupt government or corporations that try to use imminent domain bullshit to steal people’s property. Clear enough? Or are you gonna put your fingers in your ears and chant “I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you”?

          • Mike Fish, I did not mean to imply your comment was juvenile, though re-reading it I see it comes across as such. Whatever your original position or intent is on the issue, in your comment it conveyed to me a levity that I found annoying. I admit my 7 year old kid analogy was probably not the best way to show my annoyance, because now that I am on the receiving end, it pushes some buttons.

            Your position is clear, clear enough, even through my coke bottle glasses.( ⊙ o ⊙ )

    • oh, the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest

    • however, the mayor of your shit hole village can give your farm land to his new step son, this is the difference.

      china indescriminatley changes the lives of millions of people and gives them nothing. one nuclear reactor would replace the three gorges dam project but instead they destroy the income lives of millions put the farmers in sterile concrete town houses and give them $30.

      The Da river is being flooded 150 meters and covering millions of farms, that land is gone forever, china has lost %22 of its arable land to development. for the cost of one nuclear power plant.

    • Guys!!! Take it easy!!! I was just being sarcastic!!!

  17. Fuck those tickets are on 45RMB, In Shenzhen (Louhou) I payed 120rmb at Sun Plaza. FUCK

  18. “The story much more closely resembles the global problem of countries (US?) invading other countries for natural resources without really giving a shit about the local people”

    Reminds me of how China is buying up mines and land from Africa and South America now, today.

  19. It’s a good movie. If you have the chance see it in IMAX 3D, it’s worth the extra cost.

    For drawing parallels with current society I found ‘District 9′ better.

  20. “I’m kinda surprised at the ego of these people. What makes them think the movie was about China?”

    Huh ? Everything ever written or made is about China. If you f**t, it is about China. If you drink coffee, it is about China. If you say hi to your mom, it is about China.

    There is only one subject in this world: China

  21. “Avatar is the story of violent eviction and demolition [of people's homes] in China.”
    ..obviously….. that’s why is was thought-up ten years ago…

    all i can say is egotistical, uncreative, unimaginative chinese.. gack

    • Sarcasm doesn’t always translate well, most these comments were not meant to be taken seriously.

      • ya know. the comments about “this is all about China” are meant to highlight the issues of demolition for all Chinese reading those comments. (i can’t believe i am spelling this out) as in: this story is about the fact that “we are killing our mother” and in our country, we are killing our mother by ….

        i loved the movie. LOVED IT.

        • Being the only laowei in the theatre I was kind of pondering that line as how it was being translated and how it actually translated to the other people in the theater. I saw it in the frame of being for everyone on Earth, but with the everpresent examples found in Chinese daily life I wonder how it felt. I know its a preachy, hippie, save a tree starve a baby type line but still I like to think good things can come from people speaking the truth.
          When I was walking out (I don’t claim expert translation here) but most of the comments were pretty damn good, both about the graphics and the different characters. I couldn’t get deeper as my chinese just isnt there yet, but I still like to think this movie put a good thought in peoples heads.

      • Whichone,

        If there was one serious comment among them, does it not deserve a reply?

        • This was likely not a response to one comment among many but rather an unfamiliarity with the style of sarcasm prevalent in Chinese message boards.

          Either that or she decided one serious comment was enough to label Chinese as “egotistical, uncreative, unimaginative”, I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt, you?

    • all i can say is egotistical, uncreative, unimaginative lili.. gack

      You were asking for it. It takes an egosticial, uncreative, unimaginative person to not consider sarcasm and humor and fail to register Fauna’s introductory explanation for what the comments are all alluding to. Some of you are far too locked into looking for something to criticize about the Chinese. Come on, just about every translated comment above was self-effacing sarcasm and humor. Chill people.

      • Kai,

        If so many people can take it the wrong way, then certainly there is something being lost in translation. Fauna didn’t say those trite comments were all sarcastic and left it to everyone to decide for themselves, likely because she herself isn’t 100% certain on some of them. Otherwise wouldn’t she have explicitly said “these comments are all sarcastic or humorous” or she would have labeled them individually. I’d love to hear more of her take on it.

        [Note from Fauna: I wrote...

        Now that you are aware of that background, you can understand the sarcastic reactions that many Chinese netizens have posted on BBS forums after watching Avatar...

        English is not my mother-tongue but my English is not so bad, right?]

        • I’m not so certain that “certainly” something was lost in translation. It’s one possibility. The other entirely reasonable possibility is that people didn’t read carefully or they’re making knee-jerk reactions on the basis of their preconceptions and prejudices against Chinese people. I can see this same scenario happening to the French or Koreans in similar circumstances, even if they were being sarcastic, because many people also like to accuse them of being arrogant and narcissistic.

          Too much lost in translation? People looking through colored lenses? I think both are possible on chinaSMACK but I personally feel that the latter is more probable in this particular scenario.

          • Kai and Fauna,

            “Now that you are aware of that background, you can understand the sarcastic reactions that many Chinese netizens have posted on BBS forums after watching Avatar…”

            I read the original word-for-word. From this comment, I can either assume that “many” still means, not all, or according to some people on this forum it means all. In that case, I should assume even the clearly not sarcastic ones praising the film are also sarcasm???

            Fauna, your English is amazing; you are MY language teacher. Wasn’t questioning your ability. By the phrase “lost in translation” I meant a subtlety of the language that is difficult or impossible to translate. I did not mean to question the competency of the tranlator:)

          • Mike,

            I won’t speak for Fauna but the way I interpreted Fauna’s comment was that many of the comments on the BBS forums were sarcastic, and then she proceeded to give some translated comments that included examples of those sarcastic comments. I think it is evident that she didn’t say all of the comments she translated were all sarcastic either, since some are — at least to me — obviously not (ex. 别再叫我美女 & 今天打死五个老鼠).

            Some people, including myself, were pointing out that the specific translated comments certain people such as yourself took as serious were actually sarcastic. We weren’t saying that the comments you weren’t responding to were also sarcastic. For example, I don’t think you were responding to 今天打死五个老鼠’s comment, right? So how could you say the people correcting you were saying that too was sarcastic?

  22. The whole story was actually a perfect metaphor for the CCP’s Tibet/Xinjiang policies. It’s refreshing to see that Chinese audiences are embracing this film.

    And actually queuing to see it.

    • i may not fully agree with your comment, but dude its a pretty good short point there. im surprised no one has commented yet on your statement. i had to give you a +1 just for it.

  23. 3D Avatar : great entertainment + billions USD
    the information is very simple and generic, nothing is too surprise. for Chinese it is easy to reflect themselves, also it can be a good education.
    still sad…such a simple idea, it supposes be a basic human sense, we are still need to be remind!!!!!!

  24. Nice special effects and gizmo stuff…

    The plot is not unique or new. Think of it as the same deal as Dances with Wolves and The Last Samurai with a sci-fi blend to it.

    In Dances with Wolves, Kev Kostner gets to bone a American Indian chick and then fights for them.

    In the Last Samurai, Tom Cruise gets to bone a Japanese royalty.

  25. The comparison to Native Americans isn’t accurate, either. While popular imagination portrays Native Americans as peace-loving people who talked with trees and cuddled with Bambi, in reality many tribes were constantly attacking and killing one another, running entire herds of buffalo off of cliffs, starving to death through winter, cutting scalps off of victims’ heads, and in some parts of central America performing human sacrifices.

    Hardly the lovely world of the Navi in Avatar.

    This is not meant as a criticism of Native Americans – many Europeans were much worse – but reality is not near as simple as Cameron would like us to believe. The same thing goes for Iraq – definitely not a good place before the US invasion. Again, that doesn’t justify the US going in (although a future Iraq just may), but the lines aren’t as clear cut as in Avatar.

  26. If I was living in CHina I also would immedately think about the situation with the government going into places like Xinjiang where all the oil is and overpowering the Uygers. So I was really surprised this movie was allowed to show in CHina. . since it shows people uprising agains their oppressors. . . . Not harmonious at all!

  27. HI I AM BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!
    There are a few laowais here criticizing china about tibet, xinjiang and associating AVATAR with china`s current situation, this will only make the chinese mad.
    Dont forget that England,France,Portugal,Spain did basically the same during colonialism.
    Take Brazil for example, when the portuguese got there they killed native indigenous people to establish their authority and power.

    • so all laowai must disagree with china’s position on tibet? so you think your culture is not susceptable to propganda, you are so fucking ignorant.

  28. it looks amazing!
    thats all though.
    why does it have to have any message?
    this whole, iraq or china blah blah…come on…
    its just entertainment.
    you go to the movies to relax after a hard day or whatever.
    did not bother to look for what cameron was ‘trying to say’.
    it looks great and the story is as good as any blockbuster movie story.
    will be going to see it again, too.
    i highly doubt id watch this on a dvd ever so ima try and use up all the entertaining it has to offer, at the cinema.

  29. I have been told by a friend who used to work in the film industry in China that Chinese movies must rate the highest watched every year. I don’t know if this means more Chinese made films have to be in the top 10 or no western films at all.

    Regardless, he sad that foreign films will only be shown for a short time to reduce the overall number of seats sold.

    I don’t know if anyone else has any idea about this but it seems interesting that the figures are fudged like this if it is true.

    I remember last year when ‘Jian Guo Da Ye’ was playing that every time slot and cinema screen was showing that film only. It seemed that if you wanted to go the movies, you had to watch that.

    • about the ”Foreign films will only be shown for a short time to reduce the number of overall seats sold”.
      i would be surprised if they really do that here in china. They are kind of obssessed for this kinda of ”China has more than” stuff.

  30. Watch out dude!!! That Blue kid is gonna steal your com-link!!!

  31. I think that Chinese people often finds parallels in foreign movies/plays/books… with their current situation. It happened with old Yugoslav movies (“Walter defends Sarajevo”, “The Bridge”) and with some Austrian play that was very popular when I was in BJ. It is not just Chinese characteristic. Everywhere people finds connections with art made in different culture. It just happened that Chinese netizens loves to make fun of everything.

  32. i much prefer hong kong action films to american blockbusters.

    • Stop being so nostalgic, this is 2010 not 1990, Hong Kong stopped making good movies when the mainland market opened up and they had to tone everything down to be Commie-friendly

      • firstly,i understand cantonese better than english,despite madarin is more familiar to me.secondly,mainlanders and hongkongers have the same taste.thirdly,the hong kong films are not so bad as you said.

        • bullshit, hk people hate patriotic prc movies

          • dude, CHINESE PEOPLE hate patriotic PRC shit movies, LOL. It is like grossly exaggerated romance film that is so disgusting it makes you feel so ill and uncomfortable it make your skin crawl. Contrary to common believe, the Chinese people are actually the most resilient to propaganda of any form. A real Chinese does NOT trust a government at all, no matter what kind of government. Propaganda has been so saturated in our history (and it is not just from 1949) that at the present stage, even a democratic reform will not help much immediately. For example, an average Chinese immigrant or naturalized citizen in American does NOT trust even the good mighty fair merciful democratic American government as much as an American would.

  33. Avatar is not directed towards any one group or
    situation. Its directed at ALL of Humanity.

    We destroy ourselves, the animals, and our planet…
    for money, power, and our own selfishness.

    As a species, we Will become extinct should we not
    change our ways soon…

    Doing nothing is the same thing as doing something
    harmful. A unified voice and direction (teamwork on
    a global scale) ,will be the only way we may overcome
    future tragedies.

    Avatar is an epic experience in Imax3D.

  34. After reading some of the comments above I just realized that Avatar is going through the same reaction that happened with the Matrix in Egypt.

    The Egyptian government refused to distribute it throughout the country because they believed that Keanu Reeves character represented a God-like figure. Apparently, that was a big no-no there.

    Those that look too deep into the concept of a movie have too much time on their hands. I highly doubt James Cameron spent his time thinking over how he could make a political statement about the government’s taking of land from citizens. If this were his goal then this movie would have been banned a long time ago.

    Just enjoy the movie for crying out loud.

  35. I find it ridiculous when people try to relate this China when clearly Sam Worthington plays a US Marine in the movie. Its portraying the US.

    Hollywood films always portray the United States as the superpower in the world and the only country which can defend the world against UFOs, asteroids and natural disasters.

  36. Looks like Jimmy Cameron just bite off Pocahontas and renamed it to “Avatar”. Of course in typical white Hollywood fashion, the white dude gets to sleep with the alien girl…just like it happened in Pocahontas. People of China, please stop supporting these Hollywood movie. You will end up being whitewashed.

  37. @PUSAN PLAYA
    I got you.R U a true Korean or not?

    I must say that you are not alike ture Korean,take this as flattery.

  38. Hoping that a bunch of those comments were sarcasm or humor, doesn’t make them so. For every sarcastic comment, there was problem one that was sincere.

  39. Fuck Avatar. It’s just Dances with Wolves in Space. Ooooooh it’s 3D! OMFG, let’s wait in line for 6 hours to watch it. Crazy ass Chinese people. Just because something is popular doesn’t mean you have to like it. Herd mentality…

  40. OMG, stop making this about China again! Its jus a movie! Stop politicise it!

  41. i have one word

    one word

    mulan

  42. It kinda reminded me of Princess Mononoke

  43. Crazy ppl,…it’s just a movie. Gotta admit that It does serves it’s purpose Bcuz 2 hours & I didn’t blink, nice S.E.

  44. forget the nationalism, and cultural association,

    this film had alot of allusions to any culture

    victimized by Imperialism-Colonalism,

    But

    Remember our hero with no legs, the first thing that came to my mind, was I U D 铁雷

    then he takes on the “system…and the Man”

    Its hard to draw comparison between the struggle of China and…well anything else…. completely nationalistic nonsense…. This was a direct criticism of American Hegemony,

    anyways

    I saw a bad copy…. cant wait until my dude down the street gets a good copy,

    because I cant drink beer, smoke and wear no clothes at the theatre….

  45. This movie was shit.

    And you should feel shit for liking it.

    It’s just ‘dancing with the smurfs’ while advocating eco-terrorism and treachery.

    If mankind didnt kicked the shit out of their surrounding nature and weaker peers, that Titanic-dude wouldnt be able to make this fricking movie.
    And on what the hell are these Chinese commenters? The 4kg heroin seized from that Akmal Britguy? Are the Chinese suddently becoming eco-retards like the west? Or are these posters just a bunch of these bitter “new-left” people, practicing whining and moral-apostleing?

    I would have loved to see that awesome human colonel calling in a nuclear orbital strike on these foul xenos, erradicating all their trees and magical bungabunga-shit in one strike.

    HUMANITY FUCK YEAH!

  46. Oh come on…

    am in tears, watching you denouce eachother like something from the Cultural Revolution…

    this has been one of the greatest debates, on this side of the pacific… I mean this SMACK forum, the last 72 hours… Avatar!!

    this is a china based internet forum…. not Roman style Collosium

    but on some levels they are alike…

    we are all SAFE behind our keyboards!!

    after seeing the movie again…. 3D style….with clothes on…

    我们热爱和平!!

  47. OK, so people from other countries are really so bored that everyone has to focus everything on China? Come on, You truly believe A director like him actually will waste all his years on making this movie to against China’s situation?We should stop doing this to ourselves, not everyone think our country is “that important” like most of us think so, PLUS, we do have so many shit going on which need us to make some “great movies” to allude the reality!

  48. It’s a Great Movie,I want to see it again!

  49. It really amazes me how almost every single foreign event that happens in China they always have to associate it with something politically or economically.
    I read the translated Chinese comments and it really is messed up how most of them are hating on the director because they have this delusional thing that the director was specifically targeting China’s economic problems with house eviction. I mean seriously? More than likely he thought it would make a good storyline, and probably wouldn’t give a second thought about China’s problems. Think about it, unless the movie was specifically Chinese no American audience would give a rat’s ass about China. Plus isn’t that the whole point of most movies anyway? A lot of the good movies out there involve plots and issues that people can relate to in real life that’s what makes a good movie a good movie. Honestly this is starting to get annoying.

    • “It really amazes me how almost every single foreign event that happens in China they always have to associate it with something politically or economically.
      I read the translated Chinese comments and it really is messed up how most of them are hating on the director because they have this delusional thing that the director was specifically targeting China’s economic problems with house eviction.”

      its called paranoia

  50. Amazing how so many people can get so worked up about a 3 hour science FICTION film. You guys and girls need to lay off the caffeine.

  51. I have read lots of the posts about this film being about the situation in China. But it could be about a number of places. Look at whats happening in Palestine GAZA and the West Bank. This has been happening for a long time now. This story relates to a number of places.

  52. You know what’s great about this movie. You have to see it on the big screen in 3D to enjoy it. People who buy the pirated DVD or just DL of the Internet sure missed out BIG TIME!

    I don’t think I’ve seen a pirated 3D DVD version yet.

  53. funny how the Chinese people always take this kind of thing as being an attack on them… just remember how the early American settlers forced the native American Indians off their land… there was no guy in blue to help them

  54. The only real issue I have with all of this is the way they translate Avatar into Chinese… a lot of the teachers here call it ava DAR and say this is how they read the Chinese characters. Why? I ask, why for heavens sake? Whats wrong with ta they have this sound in Chinese its not like it was four f’s and a silent q is it?… Sorry, I’m an English teacher and therefore a bit pedantic about English.

  55. I suggest you should all watch a film called Full Metal Jacket

  56. ā fán dá” …….hahahahahaaaa

  57. I finally saw this movie at the IMAX. Good effects, cliched plot line, but definitely entertaining and should be watched by everyone just to see advancements in movie making technology.

    The people who are mad at the movie are mostly military types whose feelings are hurt because in the movie the military (marines, specifically) are made to be idiotic tools of mega corporations. It reminds some of the US occupation of Iraq: although the military people themselves like to believe that they exist to “protect freedom” and all that other bs you know that the US invaded Iraq because of business interests.

    That is not to say that the liberals should not be made fun of, someone posted this on the slate messageboard: “We killed all the Indians, took their land, cultivated it with slaves, and got rich. But we’re sorry. Here’s a movie about smurfs that tells you how sorry we are. Boy do I feel better.”

  58. News Update on this subject.

    Apparently the Chinese government is limiting the number of theaters that will show Avatar, to make room for domestic movies. So people can still see it in the limited 3D theaters, but all the 2D theaters will stop showing it.

    LOL… so lame as usual with the Chinese Government.

  59. Hahaha. I don’t know why this was even ‘news’ to me, it should have been 100% expected:

    “The communist nation’s state-run movie distributor China Film Group is unexpectedly yanking the James Cameron-directed blockbuster ‘Avatar’ from 1,628 2-D screens this week in favor of a biography of the ancient philosopher Confucius starring Chow-Yun Fat. … According to a report in the Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily, the move was made at the urging of propaganda officials who are concerned that ‘Avatar’ is taking too much market share from Chinese films and drawing unwanted attention to the sensitive issue of forced evictions.”

  60. Just found your site from reading the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/movies/20avatar.html I like what you are doing, it’s very interesting I hope you keep it up.

  61. pretty funny how even the most open minded analysts persist in relating avatar only to human affairs. oh, the plight of the feather indians. oh, how hard the palestinians have it. which is fair enough, but given the fact the the naavi arent human, this could just as well be a cipher for our collective affect on animal populations. but who cares about diminishing fish stocks and ritualised animal torture in scientific tests when theres a bunch of humans who being oppressed.

    the film was a crock of shit anyway, like the navi needed this human savior to come help them.

  62. IMAX still sold out in Beijing. Scalpers want 300RMB a ticket!

  63. who said this movie concerns chinese people, it’s more about history and human behaviour…

  64. wth is wrong with hentai?

  65. oh really, how much more? here they charged 5 dollars more

  66. Kaze no tani no Nausicaa :p

  67. FernGully had literally the exact same story, wise locals, pride in nature, sexy alien girls and Robin Williams as a sassy backtalking bat. Was I the only person who watched it as a kid?

  68. HI I AM GGGGAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!

    oh oh oops i meant rmb not dollars. shit, i just spoiled the illusion of living in china.i actually post these comments from the prison library. being a homo is really a god send in a place like this. no shortage of cock.just want everyone to know that my attempts to be all nice and kind and non abrasive all of a sudden are in vain. i realise that i am still a stupid little moron.

  69. Jones,

    Reread what you’re quoting and think about this for a moment. Next, what makes you think I think people can’t comment about China and Chinese people?

    Jones, I don’t think people can’t comment. I simply wish more people would comment intelligently and reasonably. This is not the first time you’re misrepresenting me.

    Now if you reread my comment, you may connect that I don’t think people who often complain “the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” usually make intelligent and reasonable comments. This is my experience usually. Some people actually make that complaint appropriately in response to a real Chinese prick who genuinely says and believes that of Chinese, and I usually number amongst those people.

    Thinking that an obvious example of Chinese people openly pointing out something negative about their society would shut up those who think the Chinese always think they are the greatest because it goes against what they prefer to believe and often love to trot out DOES NOT EQUAL thinking people can’t comment about China and Chinese people.

    Yes, Jones, this does seem familiar. Not awkwardly, but rather disappointingly. I beg of you to please kindly read what I say carefully. I feel you’re trying to pick a fight with me when I’ve been largely cordial with you.

  70. Jones,

    I’m going to diverge from the topic to address something else you brought up.

    I didn’t bring it up. You did.

    You seem to be having this seemingly paranoid-like quick response to things I say as being an insult to you or act like I’m just waiting to ambush you constantly.

    You mean like your paranoia when someone mentions “Americans” in a comment? Jones, when you stop addressing the issue of contention and start dropping petty insults about my responses being “novels”, you are insulting me. I write as long as I feel necessary to feel like I’m commnicating honestly with you. It is out of respect that I spend my time responding to someone I believe is being sincere with me.

    No, I’m not being critical of you for typing long posts.

    I feel you’re being disingeneous.

    I only said that because I actually did not want to constantly be typing out long responses.

    Wouldn’t it make sense to write a shorter response about the points instead of commenting about how long I write if you don’t want to constantly type out long responses? Jones, a big part of why my comments are long is because I want to be very clear about what I’m saying, especially when people misrepresent what I say. I must clarify because others choose to put words in my mouth. You’ve done that, so I have to clarify it, at least until I run out of patience and conclude you will intentionally persist in misrepresenting me.

    I’m not great enough with words to make a one-paragraph response out of a 12 paragraph structured reply complete with HTML coding completely picking apart everything I say. Again, not trying to insult you.

    Hm.

    Jones, I go through the trouble of using HTML such as blockquotes to make it EASIER for you to understand what I’m saying and what I’m responding to, NOT HARDER. If you say something that is unfair to me, why would you expect me to NOT pick it apart and correct it? If you misrepresent me, am I supposed to not react or defend myself?

    Simply saying that I’d rather keep it short. On my part. If at all possible.

    How am I stopping you from keeping it short on your part, Jones?

    That first comment wasn’t even completely serious. Sarcastic if you will.

    I’m going to have to disagree. What is sarcastic about you putting words in my mouth? Again, I ask you: “what makes you think I think people can’t comment about China and Chinese people?”

    I didn’t do that to make a point against you or anything. I swear it.

    Again, we’ll have to disagree.

    Do you get what I’m saying here?

    Honestly, and I’m not being snide, no, I didn’t get what much of the preceding paragraph was about. It sounds like you’re saying “no, Kai, YOU’RE the one trying to start a fight with ME” but I’ll let you clarify if I’m wrong and if you want.

    I’m not out to get you. Not out to throw out stupid little insults…

    I genuinely feel the record suggests otherwise. However, I think you’re exaggerating how much I feel you are “out to get me”. I do still think you were originally trying to suggest I’m being hypocritical in how I treat you versus other people. Now I think you’re trying to make me sound paranoid.

    Jones, no one likes to be misunderstood or, worse, misrepresented. I can’t control how you understand me but I can challenge how you misrepresent me because there’s a record I can point to in appeal.

    I do get the general idea that you’re trying to explain how I’ve misunderstood your comments in this thread. But honestly, I don’t find your explanations here to be compelling or persuasive. HERE, Jones, not everywhere. Believe it or not, I agree with many of your comments. I plus them sometimes. In this particular thread of discussion, however, I do think you were trying to elbow me in the ribs, but I see your reasons for doing so to be based upon a misrepresentation of me that I don’t appreciate, especially because I’ve spent the time and energy writing long responses in multiple efforts to establish an understanding of each other and each other’s positions.

    By the way, the comment: “If you don’t regularly trot out “the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest”, I’m not referring to you nor am I making an indiscriminate criticism, am I?”, given the fact that you were talking about the critical foreigners, sounds like someone saying “Chinese people are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest”. Then when you confront the guy about it, he says “well, if you’re not arrogant and don’t think you’re the greatest, then I wasn’t talking about you, was I?” Needs to be a little bit more specific from the get-go to avoid misrepresentation.

    I didn’t understand pretty much this entire paragraph. If I understood the last sentence correctly, however, I’ll say that I don’t think what I said was unreasonably ambiguous except to a guilty conscience. I most certainly didn’t say something as general as “critical foreigners”.

    Jones, to bring things full circle, go back to your first comment. “Come on now, Kai” what? “awkwardly familiar” what? Was I talking about you, Jones? Or did you feel I was talking about you? Did you feel like I was telling people that they can’t comment abut China and Chinese people? Did you say that sarcastically? You seem to be saying that you did, right? Okay, explain to me why you made it and how you think your sarcasm should’ve been abundantly clear to me that I wouldn’t have misinterpreted as you misrepresenting me or trying to make a point about and/or against me. You swear, but it just doesn’t add up for me.

  71. instead of ‘pandora’ call it smurf village. instead of unobtainium call it smurfberries. instead of whatever corporation it was in avatar, call it capitalism etc..etc..just a representation of whats happenin man

  72. It’s still surprising that a move that can so easily conjure up those things, for so many people, got passed the censors.

  73. Jones,

    Because the idea that “Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” would be an assumption by individual persons, to a different degree with each person, and thus be something of an opinion…since no one can rationally claim that all Chinese act a certain way since I doubt anyone, even the most social of Chinese citizens, knows enough Chinese people well enough to base such a claim on fact.

    Yes, it is an assumption and opinion that is NOT rational, thus NOT intelligent and NOT reasonable for anyone who considers themself intelligent. What I object of those people who do that is precisely that.

    My point being: while I agree with you that it’s pretty ignorant to just automatically blurt out such nonsense, it would also be equally ignorant for someone to think they need to “shut the fuck up” (yes, I’m agreeing with your earlier argument),

    Yes, thank you for agreeing with me. No, it is not “equally ignorant” to think evidence that contradicts their popularized opinion would shut them up. Moreover, it is not “equally ignorant” to be critical of people who would utter unintelligent, unreasonable, and — as you say above — irrational comments.

    You have not explained how it is “equally ignorant”, you’re only accusing it of such here. How can it be ignorant when I specifically state the conditions for my criticism to apply? If you don’t regularly trot out “the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest”, I’m not referring to you nor am I making an indiscriminate criticism, am I?

    Let me give you an example of the form of my criticism:

    “I thought this would make all the “oh, the foreigners are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” Chinese shut the fuck up for once.”

    This objection is qualified. It refers to a specific subset of people characterized by something. On the other hand, “oh, the Chinese are so arrogant and think they’re the greatest” and its similar forms are assertive, attaching a characterization to the whole.

    especially given the fact that the person who is ordering such a thing had once told someone else to stop telling people to not make the ever-present, equally generalizing claims against people based on a certain nationality (especially when seeming “out of the blue”).

    I’m not ordering them. You’re misrepresenting me and this is annoying because this is precisely what we talked about before: you misrepresenting people. I DID express that I think these translated comments contradict what the people who say those things think. It would shut them up because it contradicts what they like to accuse of the Chinese.

    You’re trying to accuse me of hypocrisy here and while I can be hypocritical just like anyone else, I fail to see the hypcrisy you’re trying to pin on me here. Our previous discussions were also not about me telling you to “stop telling people to not make the ever-present, equally generalizing claims against people based on a certain nationality”. It was me explaining to you how you’re misrepresenting others and how certain things you accuse as being out of the blue aren’t actually out of the blue and have some relation to the topic they’re responding to or the point they’re supporting.

    You’re smart enough to know that pointing out such a thing is trivial in the mind of those who are quick to quickly generalize a group of people based on their nationality or the actions of a few members of their nation/race/society/etc.

    Yes, I agree it is trivial in the minds of those guilty. I agree the most hardcore of them will not change or feel embarrassed. I do hope the less hardcore will, though. I’m also smart enough to know that I’m not making an unqualified, unintelligent, or unreasonable comment here.

    What I see is your support of silencing those making irrational claims, based on their own simple-minded and ethnocentric ideas, against the Chinese. However, if it comes down to another entire nationality of people being bashed on a regular basis by someone with a childish and easily-manipulated world view, then by all means you support their right to voice these and will write a novel trying to discredit anyone who speaks up against it as “so sensitive”.

    You’re again misrepresenting my position in an effort to call me a hypocrite. Jones, I often write a lot when I comment, but dude, you comment the most out of everyone here. Are you joining the ranks of those who feel compelled to express their dislike for me by repeatedly trotting out petty insults about how much I write? You do understand that’s you attacking me instead of attacking my points, right?

    Jones, you were “so sensitive” because you misrepresented “shitty American tourists” as “all Americans” or even “all American tourists.” You have, several times now, misrepresented people’s points as being “out of the blue” simply because they included an allusion to “Americans” without stopping for a moment to see if they’re qualifying their allusion.

    I was not trying to discredit you for being against unfair generalizations. You’re again misrepresenting me. I was not trying to discredit you at all. I clearly stated that we both are against unfair generalizations, but that you were completely misunderstanding and then misrepresenting the commenters who had invoked America.

    You’re trying to make me sound like I go out of my way to attack anyone who objects to their non-Chinese nationality being unfairly attacked. That is not the case. Have you seen me to that to anyone else? Is there an actual trend you can cite instead of just accuse? I’ll happily await your links and defend myself if you go down that route.

    No, Jones, I’m not going to let you project that onto me and make a straw man for yourself to beat. I suspect you’re only upset and feel singled out when I decided I wanted to help explain to you what you repeatedly and exasperatedly expressed, in multiple posts, in response to multiple commenters, your inability to understand why Americans were being mentioned and how “out of the blue” it all was.

    Relax, though, because that comment was only half-way serious in the first place. I realize you were pointing out their obvious misunderstanding of the fact that the Chinese commentators were being sarcastic and humorous. Of course, even with it being hopefully obvious sarcasm on their part, why would it be wrong for them to assume that they’re being 100% serious? There’s currently no manner in which to prove someone is actually being sarcastic on the internet. Not that I’m aware of, at least.

    Ugh, you’re trying to play both sides here, agreeing with me that the translated comments were sarcastic yet trying to defend those who misread them by trying to make me sound like I don’t already recognize the possibility of people misreading sarcasm on the internet. Haven’t I already said that I recognize the inherent possibility, from the very first comment, no less?

    Jones, it’s not wrong for them to misread because its understandably possible, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t wrong with their interpretation, that they didn’t misread. Note that those are two different things. With the latter, “wrong” means they were incorrect, not that they’re “evil”. If they persist in defending their incorrect understanding, after people have made a compelling case of what is correct, THEN it would “wrong” of them to do so because they’re being willfully stupid. If they’re being willfully stupid, then we have to question why: Why do they insist on misunderstanding or mischaracterizing the translated Chinese comments?

    I don’t think anyone is really persisting in defending their initial misunderstanding here though.

    However, I must say that I do see a bit of jumpiness on your part. Why would I seek to pick a fight with you? That’s not a rhetorical question.

    I see people who should be smart enough to understand my position to not repeatedly misrepresent it. Insofar as you are doing that, I do see you as trying to start a fight with me.

    I could have just continued that one drawn-out series of novels from before. Or, I could have started it a long time ago on any of your other posts.

    Yes, you could have, and you still can. No one asked you to stop, least of all me. I have no problem with people questioning my points or position and defending them.

    So why this assumption that my intention is not to point out what I see as similar to the reason you called me out…but rather merely to pick a fight with you?

    Answered above. I fail to see the similarity. The only similarity is that someone was responding to someone else. The content of that response is substantially different. That is what I see. I recognize you don’t see that and that even after my explanation, you may not see it still. I’ll just have to disagree with you.

    I’m allowed to reply to something you post with a disagreeing point of view or even a negative opinion about what you say, am I not?

    This is you trying to make me look like I disallow people to comment. As I’ve said before, I don’t have an issue with people commenting by itself but I do strongly desire that people make intelligent and reasonable comments. Given how I feel that you’re repeatedly misrepresenting me, which I’ve explained above, I do not feel you are making an intelligent and reasonable response to me.

  74. King Tubby,

    No, I don’t think the average punter reads our exchanges and I’m not appealing to them to do so. Jones replied to me, and I reply to him. It isn’t as if we have each other’s e-mail addresses or telephone numbers so unfortunately for you, you’ll have to endure us using the one medium we know each other from to communicate with each other. It’s as simple as that, as simple as you replying to others and others replying to you.

    As for your facts, I appreciate them, but that wasn’t the discussion between Jones and I. It was the discussion between Mike Fish and I.

  75. King Tubby,

    You have a problem with my comments on here? Why? You weren’t suggesting anything I posted was racist or biased were you? If so, I’d love to see a quote or something. Also, you shouldn’t throw “non-funny” aspersions around so easily. I’m usually very funny! I had a fever for the last few days, so was stuck, locked in my bedroom, away from my family, and was totally humorless.

  76. Jones,

    I think it’s clear we will not see eye to eye on what happened here. It’s also clear we now resent each other. I’m sorry that’s how this is going to end, but I can live with it.

  77. you guys will make a perfect couple…..hahahaha

  78. King Tubby,

    I don’t know why you added this extra comment an hour and a half later when your previous comment was perfect. It’s as if you went out of your way to take a jab at me after successfully establishing an understanding between us.

    King Tubby, you’ve been making some snide comments about me over the past few weeks, such as surrounding the whole Readers Choice awards thing. I’ve largely ignored them but this makes it look like you’re trying to irritate me.

    There is nothing wrong with me today or the previous few days, if you’re referring to my replies to Mike Fish or Jones. If you’ve actually read our exchanges, you shouldn’t pretend like you didn’t hear me repeatedly state that I actually did consider Mike Fish as one of the “good people” on this site, which was precisely why I was so surprised with his comment.

    I’m not out to make terminal enemies of “good people” on this site. I think you know that, which is why it sucks that you’re characterizing my disagreement and my explanations of my disagreements as such. It would seriously suck if these “good people” suddenly think me their enemy just because I disagree and bother to explain my disagreements with them. I personally have higher expectations of them. Don’t you?

    I’m relaxed and I don’t think my ego or cred is on the line. You’re now making ad hominem attacks against me with such statements instead of discussing the original disagreements. This happens far too often. I know you find me annoying. You’ve stated it plenty of times in the past. Now that you know I know, you can stop trying to get me to notice. Do you see me going around making snide comments about you? Please return the favor. Both of us can be more mature than this.

  79. Okay, this is getting so ridiculous that I’m going to make my first comment here. I’ll try to be “fair” but I’m not going to sugarcoat it or even bother with “I” language.

    Look at yourselves. You’ve even managed to get Fauna’s attention, to the point where she’s inserting scathing notes in your comments to shame you. Think for a moment how big of a dumbass must you be behaving like to earn that dubious honor. Every single day, we see the most ignorant hare-brained garbage get posted in the comments of this website nonstop and she doesn’t make a peep. Imagine how much you must be getting on her nerves for her to notice and then bother with you guys.

    Mike Fish:

    You got it wrong and got called out for it. That must’ve been some flu or fever for you to think it was a good idea to try to argue your way out of it and then proceed to spam other comments claiming sarcasm. Fuck, man, people make mistakes. It was okay to just admit it or even slink off and pretend it never happened. At least your disagreement with Kai actually started over a genuine misunderstanding.

    Jones:

    Who the hell did you expect to convince with the whole “I wasn’t really serious” bullshit? And did you really think no one knows what you meant with “novels” and shit? Did you really think Kai would buy that? Do you think the rest of us are stupid that we’d buy it too? Every person that has gone up against Kai here and lost always resorts to attacking him about how much he writes or some other personal attack. You know what that says? It says you’ve run out of intelligent points to make. That’s the equivalent of you making a face at him as you limp away. You have no excuse for not knowing how Kai usually responds. You’ve been around long enough. You’ve even argued before. Fuck, I bet at least half of us here are pleasantly shocked, rubbing our fucking eyes, every time he leaves a comment that doesn’t exceed 10 lines. We even doubt its him if its only one line. If you go up against Kai in a debate and he thinks you’re wrong, you’re going to get him proving you wrong in every fucking way he can think of, especially if you make some real fucking stupid comments. If you don’t like Kai deconstructing what you say and making you look bad, then put more thought into constructing what you say. Claiming internet arguments aren’t “that important” isn’t an excuse. It just says you’re lazy and won’t take responsibility for what you say.

    King Tubby:

    Maybe you should “off yourself”? What the fuck? Do you know how you sound? Stop being a baby. There’s a reason Kai is pissed at you and you can find that reason in the mirror. You dumbass, what did expect when you posted that comment? You didn’t think those were personal attacks? Are you stupid? Of course they are. Don’t fucking suckerpunch someone and then cry when you get clocked for it. And Kai’s right, you’ve been egging him for awhile now. You egg him again with this last comment. “Wah wah, Kai’s mad at me! Wah!” Grow the fuck up and learn to bite off what you can chew. You know Kai can be a hardass but you went for it anyway. That’s like sticking your asshole over a glory hole and complaining when a throbbing dick finds its way into your sphincter.

    Kai: I saved you for last. You know what? Your comments are almost always “intelligent and reasonable”. Fuck, you’re almost always “right” too. I don’t even mind how long you comment even if it breaks my scrollwheel because I actually accept why you write as much as you do. But while you’ve actually gotten better than you were before, with the whole “we’ll have to disagree” shit, you know what your problem is? You don’t know how to fucking give people face and give them a graceful way out. And that’s a fucking big problem. I know you know what this means. I know it isn’t fair when the other guy was provoking you first like Jones and King Tubby and I’m sure you know how and know when to do it in real life but, fuck, be the better man and learn how to do it online too, you dumbass.

    Now, you fuckers, carry on.

  80. Commenting on a bunch of moronic comments… and letting us know how moronic they all are… seriously? Good job. Thanks. I now know where you stand.

  81. I’m not entirely surprised, see as y’all can’t speak or spell worth a damn.

  82. Really at a deeper point one portion of the message that was lost might be that simply some things are without price. The chinese were ready to lynch somebody over some faucet nozels(summer palace relics) and the Americans swear allegiance to a piece of paper(the Consitution[literally and figuratively]. Agree with Jones as these guys had tons of technology which was way more advanced than anything the humans brought with em.

  83. Dude thats all I was thinking the whole time I was watching it. Its like Ferngully but they fuck and blow shit up. Although this one did manage not to be a full on Captain Planet moment.

  84. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=atZXKA4z47bU

    “Revenue from 3-D showings accounted for 84 percent of ticket sales last week, Wu said.”

    Sheesh.

    When the hell did China stop showing Avatar in the theaters? Yes, the 2D showings of Avatars were pulled to make room for the stupid Confucious movie, but something like 80% of the Avatar showings are in 3D.

    So yes, there will continue to be a lot more cheap gimmicks for the locals to make off the popularity of Avatar, because it will continue to be the most popular movie in China for a while even when it loses 20% of the 2D market. But let’s not ignorance get in the way of your analysis..

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