Husband To Die From Cancer, Wife Aborts His Baby

From Liba:

A poll I saw on Kaixin001: Husband has stomach cancer, only has two months to live!! Wife determined to abort their child…

Husband has stomach cancer, only has two months to live!! And the wife does this!!!!! (Maximum 3 choices)

A husband has been diagnosed with stomach cancer, only has two months to live. Upon learning of this, the wife aborted the 5-month old child in her belly, preparing to remarry.

At the time, the husband’s father and mother had already begged on their knees, asking her to have the child, and guaranteeing that they will take care of all the issues of raising the child, etc. after it is born, but she still still insisted on aborting it. During an interview with this reporter, the husband was very grief-stricken, and did not wish for her to attend his own funeral.

  • Heartless woman: 14301 (37%)
  • I finally understand that saying: A husband and wife are birds in the same tree, but when disaster strikes, they fly their separate ways: 17230 (45%)
  • I think it is very normal: 1981 (5%)
  • There is nothing wrong with what the wife did, who told the husband to have a short life: 778 (2%)
  • Society is too realistic: 23876 (62%)
  • Soy sauce passing through: 1038 (3%)

Responses from Liba:

zghyzghy:

I think
this woman is very rational

As for heart,
the majority of people would think she is heartless.

But as for rationality,
her choice is still very proper/appropriate.

向钱看.向厚赚:

It can only be said that this woman does not really love this man. 笑掉大牙

嘟嘟辰:

This kind of parents-in-law will not take care of anything in the future. Is the wife aborting just to get remarried? This man’s entire family is too selfish.

迷糊进不迷糊出:

Actually, I feel this decision is rational.

Although the man’s family cannot accept this emotionally,

a single woman with a child alone is definitely very difficult, very difficult!

Even if the parents-in-law will take the child, who knows what unnecessary hassles this will bring in the future…

御姐黑玫瑰:

I think it normal.
It is the man’s family who are too selfish,
because their son, cannot go on.
[They] want to leave their blood lineage.
All they are thinking about is continuing their family line.

小米粥:

Many things are very difficult to understand without being in the situation yourself.

阿拉囡囡`:

Although I think if the woman really loved this man, no one would have to say anything and she would keep the child~
Who wouldn’t want to keep the bones and flesh [offspring] of the person they love most?

莜蓝莜蓝芯:

I have a friend, whose “husband” [boyfriend] died in an accident before they could marry, and at the time she was pregnant. She asked to have the child and leave her “husband” a descendant, but her “husband’s” parents resolutely refused to have the child. They were afraid she would use the child to have a claim on their family’s property. =.=! They resolutely forbade her to keep the child and wanted her to abort it.

一样的月光之后:

握手 握手 握手
Those saying the wife is selfish,
Who is considering the wife’s future?
Who is considering the child’s future?

willie777:

I have a friend whose little sister [or cousin] who is also in this kind of situation, whose husband died from a work injury/accident while she was pregnant, whose parents-in-law also begged her to keep their only child’s only offspring. Although the wife’s family had misgivings, they still expressed that they would respect their daughter’s opinion, and she eventually gave birth to the baby. I really admire her. This kind of decision needs a lot of courage to take responsibility for.

方证:

The conclusion in television shows is not like this.
It should be the wife who insists upon having the child,
and the husband forcing the wife to sign the divorce agreement before he dies,
and then the husband and wife couple embrace each other and weep.

呀呀呀吼:

I can only say that we have had too much self-sacrifice education/upbringing, that those who consider problems slightly more realistically are immediately condemned to death.

海角语糯:

I think this woman is very rational. But she acted too absolutely…maybe the man’s family could not accept the way she expressed herself.

The man’s side should be understanding of the woman’s side. The moment the man’s eyes shut [die], he no longer has to care, but how could a woman throw her own child to her parents-in-law as if she never had a child before? If she takes care [of the child] herself, it would be too unfair to this woman!

Once again emphasize that I support this woman’s actions.

spiritkoki:

Husband with stomach cancer in his last 2 months.
Child already 5 months old.
When she got pregnant, the husband’s illness must’ve already been serious.
If she has the child, the child’s probability of contracting the illness would also be very high.

招财猫一只:

Aborting or not aborting, neither is wrong.
The parents-in-law saying they will take responsibility for everything, but can they ensure how many years left they have, and what can they use to ensure the child’s well-being?
As the proverb/common saying goes, not aborting is a courtesy, but aborting is what should be done.
Who has the right to say she is heartless? This didn’t happen to you.

御姐黑玫瑰:

Insisting that the woman have the child,
so the child has no father the moment he is born,
this is love?

From KDS:

Personally, the LB discussion of aborting the child is still the proper choice…

Although making this choice you and I would all believe the wife has no conscience and is too heartless,  but in the long term, it is best for everyone.

Considering from the child’s perspective, the child will be born immediately without a father. The child will spend an entire childhood in an environment without a father’s love. Even if there is a step-father, there is no guarantee that he will treat the child well. This by itself is a kind of harm to the child.

Considering from the wife’s perspective, her life in the future will be very hard. Raising a child alone these days itself is very hard, being both the father and the mother, and if remarrying, she would fear the step-father not treating the child well. If she doesn’t remarry, is the young wife supposed to live the rest of her life this way?

To the husband, if he really loves the wife deeply, he would not be so selfish as to leave behind his own seed and ruin his wife’s life. If he deeply loves the child, then he shouldn’t let this unlucky child enter the world to be met with the harm of not having a father’s love.

Considering the three perspectives, truly aborting is right~

Comments from KDS:

兔子:

emoticonI can only say that many men are very ignorant, treating women like tools for having children, thinking if they want the woman to have the child then the woman should have the child, that if they should help someone else continue their blood line they should help someone else continue their blood line.

Women also have their right to be independent and make their own decisions, okay? When the child is already in their belly, they are already very unwilling to abort it and they would be even more unwilling to have the child only to give it to someone else to take care, but keeping it herself might also make her “dragging oil bottle” [taking her children with her into her second husband's home], so the is the mother is the one who suffers.

KDS has a lot of male bandits, who fashion themselves with Northeasterners’ mentality ["big man mentality"], and I represent the majority of women in emoticon [despising] you guys.

青青子矜:

Even without a father there is a grandfather and grandmother, and at most, just treat it like people who had a child in old age.

The woman doesn’t want the child anymore, so whether or not the child has a mother is no longer important either. No father’s love, no mother’s love, so in the end it is the elders who care for the child. Do you think the child’s grandfather and grandmother would love the child less than the parents?

As for the issue of raising the child, the child’s father will leave behind an inheritance.

When using love to ask something of someone else, think about whether oneself has love. Love itself is something that is given, not demanded. So, a bunch of Liba women invoking love to discuss this matter is even more disgusting. [Women on Liba are seen as materialistic.]

邦特:

There’s nothing to say.
Other people’s personal business.

煌虚:

The Chinese language is truly marvelous, able to argue things forward to back and back to forward.
I can only state my position, that I will not look for a wife amongst LB women, that even if all the women have died, I would rather find a man~, LB women are all beasts!!!

大一新F:

This is murder, and since it is done one should take responsible, no matter who that person is, they should take responsibility.

青青子矜:

The child she can not take care of, and she can just get remarried by herself. If she is willing to abort it, how can she not be willing to give it up for others to take care of? [She's] simply afraid she can’t as for a better price in the future [because she had a child].

Aren’t women all shouting that having a house is a man’s responsibility, that providing for the family is a man’s responsibility? Then, where is the woman’s responsibility?

招财猫:

But if she has the child, the child will not have a father’s love from childhood. Later on, the child will be ridiculed for not having a dad by schoolmates~if not handled well, it might cause some kind of defect on the child’s personality.  Isn’t this worse for the child?

gnocchi:

emoticonWe can only say we are too traditional, not as open as Liba women. No wonder why if you’re looking for a fuck, you look for Liba women.

兔子:

Since her ex-husband has already passed away, she naturally has the right to pursue her own happiness.

She can choose to be someone else’s wife, be someone else’s children’s mother.

Don’t forget that we live in the 21st century, not that kind of era where if a husband dies, the wife must remain a widow.

It can only be said that old-fashioned thinking is too deeply rooted in your brain…

戆乱么腔调:

Actually, this topic is very hypocritical. You already know that
the woman must want to have the abortion and the man’s parents must want the child.

The key is what this man thinks.

jzdw:

The key piece of information this case lacks is: Just what kind of standing/background is the man’s family.

What is not difficult to infer is, had this happened in Li Ka-shing‘s family, the outcome would definitely have been completely different.

大一新F:

From the abortion we can see that people are worse than animals. emoticon

兔子:

Are you saying men are animals or women are animals?

Don’t forget where abortion originated from.

I still see on KDS a lot of TF who like to make posts about them persuading their girlfriends to go get abortions.

Is there a difference between 1 month and 5 months?

This is just a man’s excuse. emoticon

贝吉塔:

It can only be said that this woman loves herself the most.

If she loved her husband and child, she would keep the child as a proof of their love.

地皮流氓:

emoticon
His dad did not remarry and struggled to bring him up to 26-years of age…
before passing away as well. He was at a loss too, but now his life is very good, and says he is very thankful of his father…
emoticonemoticonemoticon[Despise] you bunch of heartless monsters. emoticonemoticonemoticonemoticon

青青子矜:

Liba women’s love is normally based on houses and money.

地皮流氓:

emoticonemoticonemoticon[I despise] to death these kind of cunt-selling to eat women in today’s society.
emoticonemoticonemoticonMy grandmother was confined to bed for 20 years, but I never saw my grandfather immediately divorce her.
Caring for her 20 whole years, never saying anything [expressing regret], you bunch of inhuman, emotionless,
things, with eyes only for money and self-benefit.
I [despise you]emoticonemoticonemoticon

地皮流氓:

emoticonI once read a saying…
The truth that the entire world agrees on is rationality.
And the only thing that can surpass it? Only love.
That woman is too rational. You guys are also too rational.emoticonemoticon

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  1. Man, if only I had known that carrying a baby was a trivial matter, and that losing your husband was no big deal! Then I would never have been mislead into thinking that the burdens this woman faces are astounding.
    I would never have thought: she’s faced with the choice of dealing with her loss every day, and in the end being rewarded with servitude to her in-laws. So maybe she’d never be able to marry again, and when the in-laws passed she’d have no means of support whatsoever, PSHAW. We’re talking about an A-BOR-TION here… such a rare procedure in China, that we can’t even be sure she’d be out of the office within an hour!

    Dicks.

  2. Once again, the right-wing fundamentalist christians get their panties in a bunch over an abortion. I thought we were living in the 21st century. Ever hear of science? Any idiot with a high-school background in science can tell you that while in the womb, fetus=/= human. This woman has absolutely every RIGHT to do to her body as she chooses. Fetuses are not conscious, therefore they do not have rights. Get a grip.

    I for one am grateful I live in an advanced intellectual society like Canada, where we don’t have to fear being shot to death by christians over their ‘god’ because we stand up for gays and woman’s rights.

    • It is her choice, I agree and that’s true, but the question is whether it was a good decision or not.

      I would say, that if it was a loss for her in that way that she might regret it in the future, then it is about equally as bad as if she was not allowed to abort and felt like she was forced to have this ‘millstone around the neck’.
      What matters is what that ‘thingie in her tummie’ meant for her, how she saw it, IMHO not if it itself cared or fell under some more or less arbitrary definition of being a human being.

      Maybe she would not have aborted if she would have been allowed to have another baby in the future with her future husband and/or if the community she is living in was different.

  3. Meh. There are probably even worse things happening. Like a woman threatening to have an abortion if her husband didn’t buy her a LV hand bag.

  4. On the more general topic of abortion rights, I think this just illustrates the technological need for artificial wombs. Theoretically speaking, since a child gets half his/her genes from the father and half his/her genes from the mother, neither should have full authority on whether to abort. On the other hand, since the mother is the one that bears the child to term and takes the toll (and risk) of said process, she has the better argument. Now, if men could be satisfied with that, it wouldn’t be an issue. But I do understand the human need to reproduce is great enough that fathers could feel “screwed” by this. An artificial womb solves the problem.

  5. hes about to die. if shes determined to do something he does not like, as if not just beat the shit out of her. hes gonna loose the baby anyway. do whatever u like douschebag

  6. In Thailand there are so many thai women marrying foreigners and in most cases they both have kids from previous marriage. It seems that foreigners have a much higher tolerance for accepting non biological kids, in fact most of them would be happy that they got something for free. Think about Brad Pitt and Angelina Julie, they adopted so many kids. Do we see any Chinese celebrity who would do that? We don’t have an open-minded culture and our government is too busy controlling our mind and developping economy than promoting an open humane non-materialistic culture. I wonder if she would still abort that child were she knew better about the potential of finding an open-minded foreign husband. In fact, so many middle aged Chinese windows/divorcees who can’t even speak one single word of english lean to looking for foreign husbands. Chinese men wouldn’t want them.

    • Thailand women’s marriage patterns probably has little to no influence on a individual woman in China. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are hardly a typical couple of any culture. Culture is a secondary priority when our are baser needs can not be secured. This particular Chinese woman has not exressed any reason to marry a foreigner but thank you for that inaccurate generalization.

    • Western nations came to accept divorces because they are outrageously high. In the US there is 50% chance your marriage will fail. Furthermore in the Western nations there ALOT more single women trying to raise kids alone. But I am perplexed this fact is supposed to make the “foreigners” more attractive. Kids from broken families don’t do as well as kids from non-divorced parents. People get married for security, not insecurity. If anything it just means that “foreign” men like to get their women knocked up but tend to avoid taking responsibility. That and foreign couples don’t know how to compromise in marriages.

      Plus, not everyone want to marry laowai, just like not all laowais want to marry asians.

      • Big mistake, LOLZ. Women file for the vast majority of divorces. Women seek divorce, and are responsible then for their own single motherhood.

        The right to divorce (and keep the kids and child support, guaranteed) is a boon for women’s power over men, so I can understand why some Chinese women would envy that kind of social system. Women can threaten divorce within marriage and gain the upper hand. Or remove the man from the house and keep most of what they had.

        I’m not convinced this actually makes women happier, but it is a kind of power. People maybe don’t realize though, that “traditional” women can have great power within marriage to extract resources from their husbands and live comfortable, secure lives. Ironically, in an age intent on increasing women’s power, American women’s happiness is declining.

        So, although American women seem to have more power on the surface through punitive divorces proceedings, Chinese women may just be more powerful nonetheless.

    • Beware many marry Thai women to get to the kids “pervy thailand visits get expensive”

  7. I’m a human,she should have kept the baby.
    Seriously,those bitches who support to the abortion made me stomachache.

  8. Getting an abortion at such a late stage pregnancy would be classify as homicide or murder by the anti abortionist group. On the other hand, its true that it would be heavy burden that the woman would have to shoulder if she decides to keep the child.
    On the other hand, if the man has bought adequate insurance then perhaps the wife would have financial backup and thus she should keep the baby.
    In summary, buy insurance !!!!!!

  9. At the risk of sounding like an Imperialist, I am thankful that Western Civilization is dominant in the world. I’m glad the ideas of Socrates and Jesus of Nazareth are still alive. As China and India have our torch passed on to them, I hope they are influenced strongly by these ideas. I hope Gandhi lives on like this. Do the Chinese even have a great non-violent humanist leader? The scary part is that if one were to come about they would be destroyed. After leaving China and going back home, I’m realizing what we take for granted over here, and how much of what goes on in China isn’t obvious when you are over there.

    • Ugh… There is something about your post, but I can’t quite put my finger on it…

    • I would be interested in the conversaion between Jesus of Nazareth the master of Socratic method when the former tries to explain how his daddy is himself.

      • In which verse does he say that he is father?

        • There is only one God:

          You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.

          – Deuteronomy 4:35
          The Father is God:

          Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

          – 2 Corinthians 1:3
          Jesus is God:

          …the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

          – Titus 2:13

          “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”

          – John 1:1

          “I and the Father are one”

          – John 10:30

          “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”

          – Matthew 28:19

          To be fair, there are Christians who do not believe in the concept of trinity but they are far from mainstream.

          • no I’m not a Christian, mormon or otherwise. The examples only illustrate the futility of applying logic and reason trinity to one of the central tenets of Christianity, and the absurd task of convincing Socrates that it is true.

  10. murdering your baby is never the right solution to a family crisis. Matthew 19:18; Mark 7:21 The husband needs to Believe in God who is Jesus and then the Wrath of God will turn away from him. Romans 1:16-32 If they would both Believe in God who is Jesus, then God could heal them and their marriage. If not then it is a hopeless situation for both of them.

  11. Yeah, don’t quote the bible here, it falls on deaf ears. Admirable effort trying to spread the word in the land of the wordless tho.

    Seems all the aborted female fetuses in the past and the problem of an imbalanced gender ratio in the present only indicate that chinese family planning = fail. But if anything else, 1 child policy is kind of in the right direction

    • GOD!

      GOD!

      in a PUBLIC chinese host forum!

      are you trying to get us shut down!

      “Religion is a grand lofty noble idea, its the religious followers that cause problems!” -some chick from that australian show farscape

      allah fucking ackbar!

  12. Somehow this reminds me of a person I once met briefly. He had a very troubled childhood. He said when he was young he hates everything.
    I think if some parents can not give a child a good family or at least all the love and care he needs, then do not consider to have a child or bring the child to this world. (in this case it is too extreme because the baby is already a few month old, and I am against it)
    It is very hard when you see a child who was doomed to have a very tragic life from the beginning and you start to think maybe if the baby had a choice he would choose not to be born.

  13. it’s just like an extension of the old-fashioned pro-life pro-choice argument…boring translation

  14. where do the chinese draw the line between being realistic/practical and being inhuman??

  15. YEAH RIGHT. The man and his family are fucking selfish for wanting to give birth and take care of a HUMAN BEING and the woman had all the rights, she would have been the victim anyway.. Blah blah blah. AS IF the child has no fucking rights. I thought life is the most important thing in the world and only God or an all powerful being can take it away but NOOOO, a stupid heartless bitch can kill her own child nowadays. What joy! What kind of stupid bitch is that. I bet she just married him for the money. She must be a stupid undergraduate fugly bitch that no other guy can love her if she has too much extra baggages. HAHA I hope she dies alone and unloved. What a prick. I can’t believe all the “RATIONAL” and “HEARTLESS” people here keep saying that she did the right thing. THE HELL! What the hell do you know about the motherfucking future huh?? How the hell do you know he’d live a sad sad life. With so many people giving their love and time to him like his father and his grandparents, don’t you think the child would have lived a happy life?? WTF is wrong with you people?? I can’t stand you all.. That bitch is a selfish brat! She doesn’t think of anyone but herself! So what if life is hard?! Life’s supposed to be hard bitch, what do you expect?! And she’s luckier than most people since the grandparents are willing to help her unlike other people who really do raise a child all on their own. My God!! You people make me sick!

    • I dont agree with what she did as the baby is 5 month old.
      BUt I understand in some cases people made the decision of abortion. How do you know a kid will live a happy life without parent love when you did not go through it? Grandparents are totally different from parents, and the role of parents are not replaceable.

      I have seen a few kids who were born when their parents are only 14 or 15 through friends working in reinhabitating center. I wish baby could choose.

  16. well, it is definitely another family’s business, but i have to say that late-term abortion can be quite risky and i personally hope this woman dies on the operation table for the chance of life she owes to the baby.

  17. Hey people! Forget this woman. It seems it’s too late to save her. Try to save the guy, who will marry her after this!
    If this happened anyway, I like to read your next story about the guy.

  18. On the husbands family point of view, they want the baby to be a last memory of him.
    But as for the wife, I think she might have decided to abort so she wont raise a child that wont have their real father with them.
    Still, I think she is over-doing it, I mean come on a 5 month old baby…seriously??

  19. maybe she’s worried that the child would hinder her chances of getting another man?

  20. Reminded me the stories I read about American and British soldiers who were freezing their sperm before being deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

  21. Talk about ice cold.

  22. only happen in china, too many people with no heart. why can’t they give the baby a chance to see life?

  23. OMG, aborting a 5 month old so “rationally”? These people are soulless monsters, absolute monsters. The future seems to be cold and bleak.

  24. she’ll regret it one day

  25. I don’t mind her leaving the husband before death but she mustn’t kill the innocent child in her womb. She is really a monster.

  26. the question is not: how can she let this happen?
    the question is, what are you all going to do, so that none of these REALLY FUCKED UP SOCIAL ILLS EVER HAPPEN AGAIN!?!?!?

    i know what i’m gonna do.. i’m gonna become a millionaire and work with chinese Christians and help you guys change this evil social structure. i’m fucken serious, my millions will not go to bugattis or nice houses. i already own 3 houses and drives a bmw m3, and trust me, it’s whatevers. my money, when i make it, will all go toward helping the chinese people overcome the problems that business and government overlooks. -your fellow expatriate

  27. Fucking idiots, did anyone of you read? The In laws are going to take care of the child’s needs. The wife is a selfish cunt who’s only want was to be remarried. You abort a living being 5 months into existence because that will make it too hard for you to have another significant other? Are you retarded? Fucking low life piece of shit. Anyone who agrees with her desicion is an idiot, why not let the in-laws take care of the kid and then let her move on? Because no one wants to accept the idea that the other option is fucking murder so you just go along with it and say “ITS TOTALLY LIKE YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE IN THE SITUATION DUH”. Stupid pieces of shit.

  28. why do u have to kill an innocent because of this trial… i dont get it … does d baby has something to do with the fathers death? and to think that having a kid is a precious gift that not all of the woman are so blessed to have one.
    I do understand that her husband is dying but u don’t have to kill another life because ur scared of whats its gonna cause u in the future.. thats just being coward …

  29. This women is going to hell bro. I can confirm that for you. I would understand if you and your boyfriend having sex and having a baby and aborting it but not husband and wife, your wife is suppose to love you not toss your baby’s soul(child) away your flesh and blood and dna and shet man. God if she didnt want the baby at least give it to the man’s parents not kill it off and say lookin for a new husband.

  30. I share opinion with WED, to bring a child into this world is not a very good idea if it is not wanted…

  31. I can’t believe that was the main reason…

  32. But grandma won;t allow…….

  33. Oh yeah, it’s so easy to pay someone to have a child for you. What a joke.

    You may call it rational, but it’s still heartless. Pay for the grandparents for taking care of the kid? When did that came up as a condition? If you know how important it is in Chinese culture to have offsprings, you would see that the more likely situation is that the grandparents are going to take care of the child for free.

  34. Since the father is dead the child will have no legal status as a human being unless they register the child under another families name who don’t plan on having children (also illegal).

    This is not true.

  35. But it is wanted, right? Reread the story.

  36. Wait but if the guy is already really sick, why did he still try to have a child anyways? To have the kid not have one parent when he is growing up? To have a child but never be able to even lay eyes on him/her?

    I hope the guy isn’t having the baby for his parents’ sake.

  37. I agree late term abortions are sick wherever they occur.

    However I don’t believe LOLZ was comparing which country has more abortions, both the US and China have many, but rather the social and political differences of them.

    The US has a foundation of Christianity to guide its morals and ethics. Perhaps its influence is not as ubiquitous as it once was but the fundamental principles of morals and ethics still ring true in most Americans.

    On the other hand China is still searching for its identity. It’s changing so fast no one knows what the fuck is going on, they just know in their hearts they want a piece of the bright future. There is no “standard” of morality guiding their ideologies, just realism. In desperation there is no “God” to pray for, only the dire but necessary practical decisions.

  38. Failed
    In
    London
    Try
    Hong Kong

    American
    Sucker in
    Shanghai

  39. Yes there exists the innate moral compass that comes with being human. And I agree it doesn’t take religion to instill a good moral compass in the masses, but that is the fundamental reason society in the west is relatively more “moral” than their Eastern counterparts. Modern Western societal behavior is the result of Christianity’s long influence over the regions. Sure more and more people are gravitating towards Atheism but the principles are still deeply rooted.

    In China you have the middle-aged who grew up during Mao’s era and the cultural revolution, a time where human rights meant jack shit, thousands of years of cultural history were laid to waste, and anyone forming a cohesive thought outside the government was beaten and jailed. Friends and family were pitted against each other. It was dog-eat-dog. Those persecuted are the parents of my generation. What kind of moral compass do you think their kids have?

    The only hope is forward motion and the only cure is time. And some goddamn education reform.

  40. The guiding light of China (and much of Asia) is materialism, kinda like New York actually.

  41. The US has a foundation of Christianity to guide its morals and ethics. Perhaps its influence is not as ubiquitous as it once was but the fundamental principles of morals and ethics still ring true in most Americans.

    The morals and ethics given by Christianity also changed over time, so I beg to differ. See for example Catholicism and look at the quotes from famous popes over the times.

  42. The West=Not China

  43. Read the first letter of each word… God works in mysterious ways. FILTH is an old saying from the 19th century

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