More Foxconn Suicides: Reports of 14, 15, & 16th Jumpings

From Baidu Tieba: (no longer available)

Foxconn’s 15th suicide jumper has jumped, 16th is currently on the roof

The Foxconn Longhua C4 Building double-suicide [jumping from building] is already spreading  on the internet: Foxconn #14 and #15 jump, new entry, Sina Weibo [Microblog, like Twitter], latest shocking news, around 12, Foxconn Longhua C4 Building, double-suicide, scene too horrible to look at, scene sealed off. Those are the details, still need confirmation.

Foxconn’s 15th consecutive jumping has already frightened the media at the scene, with some journalists/reporters already intending to no longer follow the story.  Just what exactly is the cause, being cursed or infected by pressure? Some reporters suspect Foxconn having given the families of suicide victims 400,000 [RMB] plus a 30,000 [RMB] yearly pension to the parents have led to these poverty-stricken workers to copy each other willing to use their deaths to exchange financial security for their families. This view is indeed cold-blooded, but if it is true then that is our entire society’s responsibility and tragedy. If their deaths are for the compensation, then it should be treated differently.

Foxconn latest news: 16th possible suicide jumper has climbed onto the C3 Building. [See picture]

Foxconn 16th possible suicide jumper.

Earlier…

From Sina:

Two and a half hours ago. At Foxconn’s Longhua C4 Building, occurred a “double suicide”, too horrible to look at it. Scene sealed off.
It is said that this is already Foxconn’s 14th and 15th jumping!

Comments from Sina:

水水:

I don’t have a good impression of Taiwanese people.

timd2004999:

Don’t know if this is true or false, recommend not mistakenly spreading it.

乐居网友 [unregistered user]:

Even CCTV has reported it, so what mistaken spreading are you talking about? There is definitely something wrong with Foxconn.

hellen1231:

Real or fake, this is too frightening.

乐居网友:

In the end, there will definitely be someone who will come out to take the blame [be the scapegoat], but I don’t think there will be any big impact on Guo [Taiming, Terry Guo] himself and Foxconn.

乐居网友:

If the government censors the news, then the Foxconn double suicide must be true.

nobuyhouse.**:

With a jumping every day, it feels like it has become a kind of habit.

新新01:

Many times we can see that Chinese people have become westernized on the outside, but in essence are no different from the Chinese people Lu Xun saw in the last century.

liuyanfc:

News is already being censored, so it may be true/real? Foxconn’s Baidu Tieba has already been taken down, some people must be very scared!

乐居网友:

120 [the ambulance/emergency rescue] is probably already stationed at Foxconn by now.

到处瞎逛:

Actually, they are so stupid/foolish. They obviously are beating people to death so they should try dealing with it in a low-key manner. Them continuing to [make it look like] suicide jumps is only making it look more obvious/suspicious~

乐居网友:

Suicidal tendencies can definitely be infectious.

乐居网友:

I don’t think it is as simple as suicide. I still believe what that person [who claimed to be exposing the truth about the Foxconn suicides] said.

乐居网友:

The assembly line workers’ education and upbringing is normally not high.

乐居网友:

Is this real? Be careful of being river crabbed.

乐居网友:

You guys are going to be river crabbed! @~@

乐居网友:

No picture no truth…

乐居网友:

Don’t spread lies, people’s lives are not a joke.

From PCBeta:

14th and 15th double suicide jumping at Foxconn (Unconfirmed!)

This information comes from the internet, and has not been confirmed in any way!

For the above image from PCBeta, see “Numbers 14+15 At Foxconn?” from EastSouthWestNorth.

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  • sneakay

    I figured from the beginning publicizing this would not end in good things. Now people are using it to gain attention, or to gain money for their families.

    Keep the media out of it and none of this would happen. Of course, improve conditions at Foxconn would be ideal.

  • lan

    so what’s the problem inside foxconn?

    • GodsHammer

      I dunno… I suspect it is a small, slightly amplified representation of what is wrong inside PRC.

      • hypocrite

        hk and taiwanese people mistreating mainlanders to make junk for foreigners who then buy the products and then make fun of them for making “junk”

  • kylening

    what a pity! poor disadvantaged groups! news reportings appeal to more objectivity.

  • D-A

    This is horrifying! This is like a curse!!! The more media exposure these suicide jumps get, the more followers there will be…

  • mistyken

    this reminds me of the movie “The Happening”
    people are killing themselves at such an alarming pace, it’s just beyond all conceivable reasons. probably it’s all caused by a mutated pollen just like in the movie =__=

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOw2Q1MbcpE ImmortalTechnique

      Good riddance. Too many damn stupid people in the world. I’d be all for an event like the “Happening”. Let’s start with all the people who actually the enjoyed the movie first.

    • http://www.counterfeitchic.com/Images/Mao_Jordan_cropped.jpg Alikese

      Well, there goes the problem of overpopulation. At one person a day it will only take 3.5 million years to work through China.

  • eattot

    生亦何欢, 死亦何苦?
    早死早解脱!
    anyway, hope it’s fake!
    but most people i know hope 2012 could be true, even virgin! we come to this world alone, die alone. who will stop steps for us besides family, sometimes even family do not care.
    just this second, new notice from my QQ said 3 jumpers died in 10 hours from last night to this morning in shanghai…youngest was only 17.
    生下来,活下去!
    i think most people do not know what to live for, so far me either. i do not know, i do not know.
    we do not have much social life. especially for people in cities and nonlocal, sigh!

    • Cool Matt

      Cry for help? there is no one reason to live. everybody’s different. but keep looking till u find it. and stop talking about 2012.

      • eattot

        haha!
        thanks for your comment any way.

  • Steven

    So what’s next? If their work is pissing them off so much rather than go into primary schools and stab children, why not get a hold of some automatic weapons and storm government offices?

    • hypocrite

      what does govt offices have to do with hating your work?? must be another commie hater

  • GodsHammer

    Lemmings!!!! Due to over population and a strong herd instinct these 2 legged lemmings have decided to follow their coworkers off the top!!!!

  • @@

    i think people are just doing it for the lols, and to troll foxxcon, the most popular suicide spot in japan is some shore cliff, the most popular spot in china is this

  • ShittyKitty

    Good for them! If I were in China, I’d jump too!

    • http://gacorley.wordpress.com GAC

      I’ve been to China and it didn’t make me want to jump.

      I have quite a few Chinese friends, and as far as I know none of them want to jump, and many of them are quite happy staying there.

      So why would you want to jump if you were in China? Have you been to China, or have you just heard negative things about it?

      • Rick in China

        You’re way too literal, dude. It was obviously dry humor, with a hint of “I’m just joking. But not really.” ish.

        Get over it, “I’ve been to China”.

        • http://gacorley.wordpress.com GAC

          Alright, maybe that wasn’t necessary and I’m sorry for ruining the joke for you. It just irked me a bit when I saw it. Just because it’s a joke doesn’t mean I have to find it funny.

  • Joe Friday

    This is being covered in American media as well. I can post links if needed. The factories need to be closed for a few days and mental health experts must be brought in to counsel the employees. On a long term basis, there must be mental health services available to employees when they fee hopeless. So many things can be done – peer counseling, peer support groups, getting input from employees on physical and emotional conditions. Assuming Foxconn gives a shit. Suicides are cheaper than trying to control them.

  • http://www.counterfeitchic.com/Images/Mao_Jordan_cropped.jpg Alikese

    “Foxconn’s 15th consecutive jumping has already frightened the media at the scene, with some journalists/reporters already intending to no longer follow the story.”

    Investigative journalism, fuck yeah!

    • http://gacorley.wordpress.com GAC

      It’s pretty common even in an open media environment to downplay suicides in the news simply because reporting them can cause more suicides. If I were reporting on it, I would focus in on the conditions in the factory itself and reduce the actual suicides to a footnote.

      • Rick in China

        I would title the article, “Failures jump, earning family 400k+ RMB” and focus on the fact that jumping from your company’s roof can earn your family a lot of money.

        This would definitely solve China’s problem with overpopulation and lack of jobs – and likely weed out the majority of the idiots floating around.

        Side note: If this ever happens, make sure I GET PROPS when it pans out.

  • pk

    Not to seem callous…but the Foxconn main campus has 300,000 employees. Given China’s suicide rate, one could expect 69 suicides a year on the campus.

    I think every suicide is a catastrophe, and the company should work as hard as it can to address the emotional needs of its employees and work towards 0 suicides, but I think this is getting the press it is because it’s a hot topic, not because it’s beyond reason.

    • http://gacorley.wordpress.com GAC

      I’ve seen that argument elsewhere. One argument against it is that the total suicide rate in China wouldn’t necessarily accurately represent the demographic at Foxconn (factory migrant workers, not sure on age group), there could very well be another group in China that has extremely high suicide rates that bump up the average.

      But whether the statistics are significant or not, Foxconn is in the news. And apparently the attention to the suicides drew attention to some problems with the company. So yeah, it hit the press because it’s a hot topic, but hopefully some good will come out of it. You could liken it to plane crashes causing massive spates of safety regulations when driving a car is much more dangerous.

      • pk

        That’s true. I’ve actually been on the Foxconn campus a few times and it is not a representative sample of Chinese society. It’s primarily very young adults, skewed a bit to women (in my recollection). Also, I’ve only been in one of three sections of the campus, and apparently the “Show” section. The work life there is supposedly pretty high pressure.

        I don’t have any specific demographic information about the suicide rate for specific populations, but you’re right, that doesn’t specifically matter when the media has latched onto a story. The right response for Foxconn is to do everything in its power to provide a better environment, and better counceling for the employees.

  • wu lmao

    if everyone in China jumped at once, would the Earth be thrown off its axis?

    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buns Bakery

      OH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE

  • Teacher in China

    This was reported on CCTV News this morning (the English channel), except they reported that there were now 12 suicides.

    Actually, their exact words on the headline were, and I’m not joking I swear it, “Foxconn Deaths Jump to 12″.

  • Li Wei

    “Some reporters suspect Foxconn having given the families of suicide victims 400,000 [RMB] plus a 30,000 [RMB] yearly pension to the parents have led to these poverty-stricken workers to copy each other willing to use their deaths to exchange financial security for their families. This view is indeed cold-blooded, but if it is true then that is our entire society’s responsibility and tragedy. If their deaths are for the compensation, then it should be treated differently.” ISN’T THIS CLEAR ENOUGH!!!!!

  • 练练英语

    boycott,strike,demonstrate.we can’t tolerate these ruthless blood-sweat factories any longer.foxconn,fuck ass con.

  • http://www.ethancaine.com Ethan Caine

    Those goofy Chinese I tell ya! HAHA

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  • http://hi.baidu.com/eattot/album/item/54fb028f296c4729b21bba36.html eattot

    try to see if my photo works

    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buns Bakery

      Well, don’t leave us guessing, did it work?

  • Silveryblade

    14th and 15th maybe fake news, now in Shenzhen, over 30 degree, but somebody in the picture wear so many clothes!

  • fck china

    I am Chinese,i really wish to leave .so lucky that you are in other countries.no hope here.

  • http://www.foarp.blogspot.com FOARP

    C4? Fuck. That’s like 1-2 minutes walk from my old office, I used to work right next to the little gate on the west side (I forget the number, but it’s down the road from the customs gate towards the crossroads).

    Foxconn, by the way, may not be a great place to work, but compared to other employers in Longhua (well, I can’t speak for Huawei, but the smaller ones) is not at all bad.

  • Daley Gogo

    The problem isn’t only based on the lack of financial reward. Throwing money at the workforce is not the answer. Developing good working conditions and after work entertainment and living conditions as well as other motivational benefits would be a more acceptable approach to resolving the companies social issues. Money will only bring temporary resolve. Cash may be what the bosses love and lust after but it won’t nescessarily solve the workforces deep rooted social and psycological problems. Look again.

  • shanghai girl

    I’ve been studying Chinese history, culture, and whatnot for some time now, and I must say, I still find things like this so difficult to comprehend. Sure, we have copycats in the West, but not to the degree it’s seen in China and much of the rest of Asia.
    Coming from a society that values individualism and associates suicide with hell and great shame for a family (in most of the West), these actions are quite perplexing…. Why someone could find it acceptable to do this, following the suit of so many others…
    Bah! Makes no sense to me… I feel for the families of the deceased though…

    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buns Bakery

      Of course it makes no sense…nobody who is suicidal is thinking logically.

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  • George

    Come on, whoever in China would wearing that jacket in ShenZhen right now?? They might die themselves by heat stroke already > <

    fake!

  • Cool Matt

    I had to do some research on BYD and i stumbled upon Foxconn. That company is awful. Try to kidnap journalist outside their factory. Called the cops, cops said Foxconn has “special status” in the city so useless to charge them. They also sued other journalists (and won) for exposing 80 hours overtime when it should be 35 max.

    Allegations of killing workers and making it look like suicide. The guy who lost the iphone 4 prototype and later killed himself did it because he was constantly harassed and beaten by foxconn security. List goes on and on.

  • http://www.foarp.blogspot.com FOARP

    Yeah, a mate of mine, a Shanghaier of the old type who ran a factory, once explained to me about how he had paid off the local newspapers not to report a fire at his factory. The same kind of thing happens with suicides, it’s just that Foxconn is too big and too open to keep that stuff secret.

  • SirSteven

    @Cool Matt – a correction: the Chinese guy from Foxconn who lost an iPhone prototype and then killed himself was last year, and it was an iPhone 3G/3GS prototype, not the upcoming 4/HD (the recent leaks of the iPhone 4 hardware have been in the US and Vietnam, not in China).

  • Rick in China

    Did you even read the story?

    You don’t think there is any incentive for uneducated failures at life who can’t find love, happiness, or success anywhere they turn, to end their existence other than “oh my company mistreats me and pays me too little for the job a machine should really be doing”? If that’s the case, we’ve nothing to discuss.

    I think it’s *entirely* plausable that, if the company is paying the victims’ families 400k RMB, that’s ultimately a double-edged sword of encouragement for more of these failures-at-life to end their lives. At the same time, if it is truly the case, even though it’s a tragedy, the public should be applauding the company for paying many-years-salary-worth to these selfish idiots’ families for something they brought on themselves.

    It’s also possible that the whole “the company pressured me too much so I’m jumping” is true, but if that is the case, it only shows the company needs to spend far more money on their HR evaluation process to weed out the janky mentally unstable losers it seems to be bringing on board.

  • http://gacorley.wordpress.com GAC

    “It’s also possible that the whole “the company pressured me too much so I’m jumping” is true, but if that is the case, it only shows the company needs to spend far more money on their HR evaluation process to weed out the janky mentally unstable losers it seems to be bringing on board.”

    Or bring down the pressure and hire counselors. Perhaps there actually IS too much pressure on the employees. One suicide is an individual problem, but a string of suicides like this could point to a larger social problem. I generally don’t judge individuals I have never met and know nothing about, but perhaps some of your “mentally unstable losers” could have lived and remained productive members of society if not for a confluence of external conditions.

  • Rick in China

    Generally those who commit suicide are hardly productive/positive members of society, and the energy required to bring them to the point of being productive/positive members of society may be better used elsewhere.

    That’s not always the case, of course, but if you think “work pressure” at a place you can *quit* and *find a new job* is too much for a productive and mentally stable individual to deal with, maybe you’re a little unstable yourself and can sympathize much better than I.

  • http://gacorley.wordpress.com GAC

    “Generally those who commit suicide are hardly productive/positive members of society, and the energy required to bring them to the point of being productive/positive members of society may be better used elsewhere.”

    Well, that would mean people like my brother who worked suicide hotlines are wasting their time. Are you sure about this? What psychological studies are there that all suicides and suicide attempts are that far beyond rehabilitation? And what about the value of human life?

    ” if you think “work pressure” at a place you can *quit* and *find a new job* is too much for a productive and mentally stable individual to deal with, maybe you’re a little unstable yourself and can sympathize much better than I.”

    And if there are no other visible options, or any other work options available are equal or worse than the current one? The labor market in China is most definitely not in favor of the workers.

    And once again you are individualizing the issue. What advice you give to each individual is different from what should be conducted on the level of the company or of society as a whole to prevent suicides. It may be possible to prevent one of the environmental conditions that send a portion of the people over the edge. You can’t prevent all suicides, but you can reduce them.

  • Rick in China

    “Well, that would mean people like my brother who worked suicide hotlines are wasting their time.”

    Yes. I’d wager your brother tried to kill himself at some point, pussied out, and since he’s probably incapable of finding someone in the modern world whose interested in hiring him due to signs of mental instability decided helping other potential suicidees would be the best use of his time. I suppose I should change my answer, no, he’s not “wasting his time”, but if he were capable of much more in the world ya, he’s definitely wasting his time.

    There is obviously a chance of rehabilitation. Some of those rehabilitated may lead to very productive futures. So might many of the people who *WANT* to live, but can’t, because they don’t have food or housing, or clothes. Are you implying it’s a better use of time to help people who want to die, than those who want to live but don’t have the means?

  • http://gacorley.wordpress.com GAC

    Alright, Rick, you have crossed a line. My brother has never attempted suicide. He has a wife and a job helping disabled people find work and get their workplaces to implement reasonable accomodations. The suicide hotline job was part of another job that dealt with counseling people with a wide range of mental problems, including depression, addiction, etc.

    “There is obviously a chance of rehabilitation. Some of those rehabilitated may lead to very productive futures. So might many of the people who *WANT* to live, but can’t, because they don’t have food or housing, or clothes. Are you implying it’s a better use of time to help people who want to die, than those who want to live but don’t have the means?”

    I never like this kind of argument. Is there any reason we can’t spend resources on both? Resources may be limited, but people’s talents sometimes lend themselves to one kind of social work rather than another, just as people’s talents can lend themselves to different professions in general.

    Your impulse to judge people you do not know seems incredibly strong, as evidenced by your rush to submit a theory why my brother once worked suicide hotlines. I find your attitude callous and unfeeling, and your sense of ethics twisted. Whether these really are your beliefs or you are deliberately trolling to get a rise out of people, you have crossed a line.

    This is my last post in reply to you.

  • http://confusiussays@gmail.com ConfuSius

    @DICK in china (suits you much better)

    most people we know have options but there are a lot of people doing much worse.
    you post here quite often so unless your brain is totally incapable of processing information, it’s impossible not to get that a lot of people have no options at all in their life. 400k is a lot to them to say goodbye to a daily hell of life and give something good back to their loved ones.

    those workers, even when dead, have a million times more worth than a troll like you. you’ve got education, a job, access to possibilities that they cannot even dream of and yet, what do you do with that? it’s such a disgrace, not just to westerners in china but to human beings in general.

    agree with GAC, on all accounts! goodbye dick in china!

  • Cool Matt

    oh my bad. thanks for the info :)

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