Chinese Men with Black Women & African Wives

A Chinese male and African female couple.

From Tianya (1 & 2):

Lots of photos of Chinese men marrying African women, invite everyone to discuss!

Chinese women marrying blacks is no longer something rare, whereas in comparison men very rarely dare to bring black girls back home to China. I won’t say anything and go ahead and post the photos.

In my neighborhood is a Chinese engineer who returned from Angola, and his wife is a black girl. However, she’s one of those very pretty high-end black girls. She’s very slender and not one of those fat auntie types. Her skin also isn’t the kind of oily/greasy black but rather black-brownish and more brown. They have two children, about five or six years old, twin boys.

As for their appearance, unfortunately, the father’s genes were really too strong. Aside from their skin being slightly darker, their faces look very much like their daddy.

Large-scale marrying of African women can effectively solve China’s male-female sex-ratio imbalance problem!

Chinese man with Angola wife.

A Chinese and black couple on the Shanghai subway.

[See: Chinese-Black Couple on Shanghai Metro]

A Chinese and African couple.

A Chinese and African couple.

African women are very pretty!
This brother is very blessed/happy!

An African and Chinese couple.

This is a Chinese man and African woman’s child. I’ve always wondered, is this child is considered Chinese or not?
Very confusing!!!

An African mother with her Chinese-African baby.

A Chinese and African couple with their child.

The Chinese man in the middle is one of my old friends, who found two women in Africa.
To protect his privacy, I’ve hidden his face for the moment. Please be understanding.

Chinese men with African women.

The son of a wealthy Sichuan Chinese businessman who married last year’s Miss Kenya!!!
Strongly recommend!!!

Chinese men with African women.

This is a great love story! Everyone probably has heard of this love story before!
May the Xie Zhigang couple have a long happy marriage! And many children!

A Chinese and black couple.

A Shandong migrant worker who married a wife in Africa and gave birth to a daughter. His African wife passing away from illness when the daughter was two-years-old and he raises his daughter alone planting vegetables in the suburbs of Nairobi being bother father and mother to her. Not easy!
What a great Shandong man! A great Chinese man!

A Chinese man with his multiracial daughter.

This brother often goes to Africa, and has a lot of African women around him.
His face has also been obscured, please forgive!

Chinese with African women.

One more photo, this is a photo of a young Fujian guy with his African wife in Congo.
They run a restaurant there to make a living, I’ve eaten there once, it wasn’t bad. The young couple are able to communicate in Chinese.

A Chinese and African husband and wife in Congo.

Comments from Tianya:

360385455:

These people really have heavy/strong tastes!

许糖糖久久:

How scary it must be when having sex in the dark at night~~
Just a shining mouth of teeth, unable to see anything else, must careful not to panic.

短枪哥哥:

I wish them the best/happiness, so what if they’re from Africa/are African [black], as long as you like/love them, that’s all that matters.

youaregood:

Doesn’t matter, love has no borders.

abcgba:

These black MM have nose-bleeding [hot] bodies and bewitching looks, just a little dark.
Don’t know if their children/descendants will be good looking or not.

招架不住:

This brother,
when looking at his wife at home,
even needs to carry a flashlight.

A Chinese and African couple.

rowleen:

Black people always make me feel like they haven’t fully washed themselves, I can’t accept/handle someone who is dark all over their body.

kiki611:

If the sex/gender were reversed, the comments to this post would all be cursing/criticism…

御野:

It’s okay if you want to marry, just don’t leave your children/descendents in China. I don’t want future Chinese people to be like those half-black half-yellow people in Latin American countries, with lowered intelligence, having lost the purity of their blood, with only a name to claim.

安静的甘草杏:

Seeing these responses, I’ve discovered that our country’s females are far more tolerant, rational, and have more character/class than the males~… If it were reversed, a bunch of WSN [猥琐男, wei suo nan, wretched/little men] would be falling over themselves cursing how “Chinese women worship the foreign”…

Actually, the world is now one, and as long as there is love, it doesn’t matter what kind of person is with what kind of person~

There are black girls who are rather pretty, their bodies even less deserving of criticism!

伪腐去死:

I’ve given it some thought, if in the future China can be as developed as America, a lot of foreigners will want to immigrate and become Chinese nationals, but I still won’t accept them, because I feel they wouldn’t be true Chinese people.

笔墨丹心:

Nothing strange at all.
Chinese men marrying foreign women
is the same as Chinese women marrying laowai.

Comparatively speaking, the difficulty of marrying a Chinese girl is somewhat greater~
Haha

正在郁闷2011:

Those who are too dark I truly am unable to accept. Just looking at them I lose all sexual desire! Turn the lights off and its okay.

Purely my personal prejudice, so don’t yell at me if you disagree!!

暗夜百合的清香:

If I haven’t remembered incorrectly, lou zhu is that SB who married a Western/white girl and is going all out making babies, planning to “rebuild the Chinese nation” abroad… is building the Chinese nation built like that?

[See “Chinese Encouraged To Emigrate To Defeat Foreigners“.]

regainworld:

I forget what movie it was, where a white person said the good thing about a black woman was: “Once you’ve had sex, you’ll never again want any other color of woman”.

醉卧花底间:

I’m wondering, why is it that when Chinese men marry foreign women, it is because they are capable and patriotic?

[Whereas] Chinese girls marrying foreign men are contemptible/base, gold-diggers, shameless~

The original poster, 海外再造中华, who posted the above photos on Tianya also posted some pictures of Chinese-African mixed-race individuals:

Chinese-African mixed-blood individuals in Mauritius, Africa.
Their fathers were Taishan Guangdong men who went into Southeast Asia to make a living half a century ago, their mothers local African blacks.
These are photos of them when they returned to Guangdong to attend the World Hakka Conference.
Are they considered Chinese? What does everyone think? Perhaps at least Chinese ethnicity?

An African-Chinese mixed-race man. An African-Chinese mixed-race young woman.

A young African-Chinese multiracial man.

A Chinese-black multi-racial man.

Another Chinese-African multiracial individual posted by Tianya commenter 教父X:

Jean Ping, current Chairperson of the Commission of the African Union (AU). Father is a Zhejiang Wenzhou Chinese person, mother is Gabonese, and it’s even said that she was a tribal chief’s daughter.

Jean Ping, Chairperson of the Commission of the African Union.

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  • Phwool

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    • ##BlothaLonely##

      is that a yellowish black sofa?

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        • Nono

          This is the proof, chinese are of African origin.

    • 老外

      Just thought I’d throw this in:

      Has anyone actually slept with a black woman? I’ve had many, and generally speaking, they have the tightest Vagina’s on the face of this earth, so a typical Asian man would be more than able to satisfy her needs… not that penis size actually matters when you’re in love.

      Tightness chart:

      Black women > Asian Women > everything else > white women.

      Enjoy!

      • Boris

        Song of the comment:
        China Crisis
        -The King of Wishful Thinking

        • 平凡人

          Hello………
          China Crisis – Wishful Thinking (80s)
          Go West – King of Wishful Thinking (From the movie Pretty Woman) early 90s

      • Boris

        (Regrettably) not having had sex with a black woman, I can’t comment on their ‘tightness’. However, beyond question, the most spacious hole I’ve ever penetrated was your arse.

        • Lang Lang

          haha…..that was brutal. Kudos!

        • Nono

          African origins of chinese

      • dim mak

        Yes, it was pretty average IMO, not particularly tight

        • Lang Lang

          I found it average tightness….but deep.

        • Carl Hungus

          Is this the first guy’s arse we’re talking about still?

          How many people have been up him?

          What a slut.

      • kate

        knowing that black men have the biggest penis, and a majority of black women sleep with black men, ouch

    • JM

      Black women really know how to get down on it, they’re really aggressive about keeping their man happy. You notice all the men are smiling?

  • Alex

    Holy shit people are ignorant and racist. jajaja.

    Well, feel great for those who made a good decision and went for African women if they like it! Specially if they don’t care about what others might have thought.

    Same with those girls getting together with the chinese guys. Might not have been easy either.

  • California ABC

    I don’t know if my parents would be so happy If i married a Black women.

    But these couples do look happy!

    (From an ABC in California)

  • SteveSleve

    Mix-blood children are often very beautiful.

    • Chris #1

      Not on this occasion.

      • BlackIsBeautiful

        Sorry if your parents dd not make you look pretty like those mixed kids but i bet that you are ugly.
        Don’t hate love so other may love you ugly face. If i am wrong show me your picture otherwise i show it to everyone soon.
        Waiting……………….

  • Nathan

    cue B-Real…. we are waiting man! Where are you?

  • eattot

    Seeing these responses, I’ve discovered that our country’s females are far more tolerant, rational, and have more character/class than the males~… If it were reversed, a bunch of WSN [猥琐男, wei suo nan, wretched/little men] would be falling over themselves cursing how “Chinese women worship the foreign”…

    Actually, the world is now one, and as long as there is love, it doesn’t matter what kind of person is with what kind of person~

    There are black girls who are rather pretty, their bodies even less deserving of criticism!

    this one has some good opinion~
    chinese men…difficult to talk about them.

    • 张军

      CHINESE MAN SUCKS. cowards and sexiest。

      • dim mak

        Care to repeat that to my face?

        • anon

          Despite being a coward, at least you have the consolation prize of being the sexiest.

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            Hm. Together with the aforementioned “CHINESE MAN SUCKS”, I’m inclined to think this is a thinly-veiled “Twilight” reference.

            [Trailer V/O]:
            “For eons, a battle has raged between the effeminate and withdrawn pouty Chinese vampires and the animalistic and extroverted hairy laowai lycanthropes. Two opposing sides, diametrically opposing views, and the corpse-strewn battlefields as testament to their unyielding will. Yet, the one thing that would come between them would also be the one thing to bring them together.
            (flash cuts of lots of running, over-the-shoulder turning around, some bad CGI and the requisite genre-fang bearing)

            Snippets of dialogue:
            “5000 years of history…”
            “We all know what those people are like..”
            “This is how we do things, you wouldn’t understand..”
            “I don’t care what Confucius said!”
            “Care to repeat that to my face?”

            (editing and music builds to a climax, until is speed ramped down to a slo-mo shot of an African Bella with hair blown in the wind)
            V/O:
            “This summer, the Chinese Man sucks while the Laowai howls.
            MEDIAN OF CULTURE III: The Reckoning
            Cowards and sexiest faces off against meddlers and wordiest.
            The Mainland will never be the same.”

          • anon

            LOL I prefer juxtaposing “sucks” with “blows” instead of “howls”.

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            @anon: But at that point it will be vampires VS vaccuum cleaners, and I don’t know about you, but after reading vampire lit I prefer my conscience to stay dirty.

          • anon

            Vacuum cleaners don’t really blow as much as they suck, right? Remember the three little piggies? The wolf blew their houses down. So if we’re equating Chinese with vampires and laowai with werewolves, I think blows would work better as an analogous oral sex metaphor to sucks. Or maybe my thinking is dirtier than yours?

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            @anon:
            Chinese vampires suck, and laowai werewolves blow.
            (cue R Dangerfield in Caddyshack):
            “Hey everybody, we’re all going to get laid.. by supernatural creatures!”

            Yup, this is the bilateral solution to the cultural divide being rival superpowers. BJ’s. Uh-huh.

            I have to say I like your juxaposition, wish I came up with that first. It’s more interesting than the empty threats by two people who are going to find out they’re from the same race.
            *awkward*

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            [AUSTIN POWERS is at a smashing party at a flat in Soho. All is groovy. Suddenly, from across the room he spies a CHINESE MAN; their eyes lock, there is a moment of recognition, and then AUSTIN POWERS speaks so loudly that the music stops and the go-go dancers stop go-going.]

            AUSTIN POWERS: You! [pointing at CHINESE MAN] You, you are a sexy bitch! Yes, yes you.. [CHINESE MAN points at himself unbelievably] No, not your friend.. no, not your other friend.. hey, all of you stop pointing at yourselves.. I mean you, [points at CHINESE MAN], you are a sexy bitch!

            [AUSTIN POWERS saunters over to CHINESE MAN a la fox furry-style]

            AUSTIN POWERS: Why, hello there… did I mention that you are a sexy bitch? [laughs] rrRHhaaar! And what is your name? [take a sip of a drink]

            CHINESE MAN: My name is Wang Suxalldaylong.

            AUSTIN POWERS: [spits out drink] What? What did you say?

            CHINESE MAN: [spoken cowardily, and yet rather sexily] I said, my name is Wang SUXalldaylong.

            AUSTIN POWERS: [regaining composure] Your name is Wang Suxalldaylong, eh? Well, it’s a good thing you aren’t a laowai or else your name would be Smith BLOWSalldaylong; in that case, I wouldn’t be able to afford to hire you to paint my house, but it would sure dry a lot faster!

            [bi-lateral rift SOLVED! BJ’s for everyone, including chicks! Harmony, the Austin Powers way!]

        • donscarletti

          He just called you “sexiest”, which is English for “最性感” if someone called me that I would take it as a compliment. He also said cowards, but you know, maybe he meant “lover not a fighter” or something.

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            I think you’re describing the onset of the world’s most passionate hatefuck; four furious minutes of angrily pounding the meat patch-hatch and guttural baying will be followed by forty-five minutes of tender spooning and “..for reals?! Me too!”. At which point we’ll have our next scintillating chinaSMACK article, and thus the circle of life renews once more.

            (music)
            “Can you feel the love tonight….”

          • Jones

            You two are hilarious.

        • 张军

          not at all,
          leave me your qq and i m gonna add u at my personal broken nose list,

        • 张军

          没问题,要你愿意的话我也可以吐在你脸上。。。很刺激是不是

          • dim mak

            No problem, the first drop of spit landing anywhere near me and I’ll have your head against the sidewalk, then you can pick up all your teeth after

          • 张军

            THIS IS MYEMAIL
            WAITING FOR U, U COWARD
            zhangjun25@yahoo.it

          • dim mak

            OH NO AN EMAIL TOUGH GUY

            You scared?

            銅鑼灣
            歌頓道18號
            Room 4, first door upstairs
            HK

            Come find me
            If I’m not home you can wait for your beating outside my door until I return

          • 张军

            come on, dont be affraid, send me an email so that i can see ur ip and know exactly where you are. Are you not the one who will beat my ass up?what you affraid of…

          • Carl Hungus

            Hey, 张军:

            Just signed you up for http://www.gayebonydating.com.

            Have fun.

          • dim mak

            HAHA OH WOW
            WHAT YOU GONNA DO
            SHOW UP AT YAHOO’S ROUTING HUB?

            STILL WAITING MAN
            WHERE YOU AT?

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        • BlackIsBeautiful

          Yes i do. Your ugly, no style, and no manner. What do what to do. Fake monkey!!!!

          • Sponge Monkey

            @Carl Hungus – Really? You wouldn’t have signed him up for something a little more “Chinese man sucks”-ish?

      • Boris

        Surely you are confusing the Chinese with the French?

    • Jax

      Women living in Africa are amazing.

      Western African-american women are the nastiest women on the planet.

      Same color, same blood but couldn’t be more different.

      You can be certain these chinese men don’t miss chinese women one bit.

      • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

        agreed, every african-american women in the entire coutnry is nasty. Just like every white is a theiving colonizing racist, every black man is a criminal, every Chinese man has a small penis and every Mexican is an illegal immigrant

        Retarded racist stereotypes are fun!!

        • donscarletti

          It would be hard to find an African American woman as beautiful as those girls in these pictures, especially the first two. I certainly haven’t seen one black girl like those in the US, though some might exist somewhere.

          Honestly though Asian Americans do not tend to be as attractive as Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese girls and whites are less beautiful compared to their European counterparts.

          • cb4242

            Well , that is your opinion and beauty is quite subjective, luckily not everyone has that same feeling. Growing in L.A., we have some really, really hot black women, just sickening and the same goes for Asian, Latino and White women. Maybe you just had some really crappy luck with women.

          • donscarletti

            Oh well, then I suspect you are American, you’d probably like what you’ve grown up with. I’ve just visited America a few times, I guess you can probably find beautiful women in America in the same way as you can find good food and beer in America… it’s there but most people don’t like it, so you need to look hard.

          • Lang Lang

            Most Americans don’t like hot women, good food or beer so it’s hard to find.

            Yeah, you go with that, shit-fer-brains.

            Maybe next time you go there you should go out instead of sitting around your nanna’s house.

          • donscarletti

            I did go out, many times. I had no other option because my grandmother does not live in the United States so I could not spend my time with her watching game shows.

            As I said, there are microbrew places which serve nice beer, but mostly it is a sea of Budweiser, Miller, Coors and apparently something else called “Pabst Blue Ribbon” which I have not had the courage to try.

            But if you’re most of America you probably love Bud, racing cars around in an oval and your idea of a beautiful black woman uses the word “booty” to describe a posterior the size of two basketballs pushed together as if it is desirable. Those African angels up top are what they are supposed to look like.

          • Lang Lang

            I mean, seriously…..who the fuck are you. Hugh Hefner? Did you do some kind of post-graduate anthropological thesis on the superior features of European women, food and beer over America’s? Were you able to get a grant for that? If you want to express your opinion, fine. But to present yourself as some kind of authority because “I’ve visited the USA a few times” just makes you a serious pompous ass. I don’t drink beer so I couldn’t tell anybody the difference between a Coors and a Corona. But you’d have to be seriously retarded to not find any good domestic and imported beers in any USA town. Don’t even get me started on the women and the food. I don’t even like cars, much less watch them race. I drive superbikes. Nor do I like like “big booty” But you’re the America expert and got our obviously inferior country all figured out …..so have at it, your royal fucking highness.

          • Ryan

            LOL “Pabst Blue Ribbon”
            Monty Python said it best “American beer is a lot like making love in a canoe … it’s f-ing close to water.”
            PBR is a particularly bad offender.
            At least, I used to think so. After I moved to the hinterlands in Dong Bei and tasted all the local “brews”, I was left with a serious craving for a good beer (gods, I would kill for even a bud right now, much less a Guiness). To my chagrin, what is the one available foreign beer here? Ahh The Pabst Blue Ribbon.
            I have had many first time experiences since moving to China. One of the more surprising ones was coming across the feeling “God, I’d love a PBR right now”. Usually, when I’m drinking the PBR the thought runs “Ahh, thank god it’s not Snow.”
            As for women and food, I’d say America has some of the best. We really do have some terrific beer too. But all of that is just a matter of personal taste anyway. It doesn’t really matter.
            As for Lang Lang
            For being a self-described non-drinker, don’t you think it’s a bit pompous to start talking shit about beer? STFU

          • Lang Lang

            Wow……another uppity fucking beer snob. I really feel bad about myself. Apparently there are some fine cigars to be bought in Cuba but I don’t smoke them so it can’t be true. STFU back at ya.

          • Ryan

            Uppity fucking beer snob?? Nope. Just an experienced beer drinker talking out of experience.
            And the opposite of talking out of experience – talking out of your ass’ of course.

          • Lang Lang

            Oh…..an “EXPERIENCED” beer drinker. Why didn’t you say so? Now that’s a feat so impressive that it’s been accomplished by literally millions(if not billions) of people around the world. Including myself, if you want want to count all the beer my dad, a true beer connoisseur with a large collection of steins whose hobby was to sample beers from around the world, used to make me sample when I was growing up. He was almost never without a beer in his hand and it was often my task to keep his fridge stocked up. Just because I never developed a liking for the taste doesn’t mean I don’t know where to find quality beer(Hint:It’s not hard. And I’m from Hawaii where Primo rules) You want to keep this thing going all day? I got the whole rest of the afternoon off.

          • Justin

            Jesus, donscarletti apparently you’ve bought into the claims of Sarah Palin and all the other conservatives who claim to represent the “real America” in thinking that all Americans are Budweiser-swilling, NASCAR-watching conservative morons. There are tons of great beers in America and you don’t really have to go very far to look for them. I have had beers from around the world and I’ll stack America’s craft microbrews against the best of them any day, Dogfishhead, Fat Tire, Real Ale, just to name a few. And then in my home state of Texas you have Shiner Bock, which measures up well against any mass produced beer from Europe. There’s also the local brewery Live Oak in Austin, Texas that puts out a mean Hefeweisen. And then, of course there’s Lone Star, which is pretty low quality, but it’s totally drinkable.

          • donscarletti

            Justin: I did mention microbrew earlier by the way. I was at some place called BJs outside the Apple HQ in Cupertino Wednesday before last (work trip to Silicon Valley) and they had some light ale there which was delicious. America is a very big country and it stands to reason there is a lot of nice stuff there.

            My points are simply:
            -By and large, most Americans have pretty questionable taste, some elements of the professional classes excluded. Sarah Palin didn’t make her way onto a ballot paper by having nobody support her, despite what they’ll tell you in the bay area.
            -Trolling Lang Lang and cb4242 is funny as hell. These guys get majorly choleric at anything, not enough of a challenge I guess, but if I wanted a challenge I would be doing something more useful than trolling.

          • Lang Lang

            Still playing the superiority card, eh? You got called on your shit and now trying to pass it off as trolling. You’re not in control here….not by a longshot.

            Enjoy your smugness while it lasts.

          • Breaking News!

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          • FattyCow

            Depends on location, dude. : O There are very many pretty black girls in the US, and TBH, I never used to see them either, but it’s something that seems to happen in waves. Either I’ll see plenty of moderately attractive black girls, or days where there’s nothing but super hot black chicks all over my neighborhood in K-town. It’s very strange.

          • QueenNzinga

            @Donscarletti – There is no greater DIVERSITY of beauty in any other race that one will find among its FEMALE population than the AfRAkan race. POINT BLANK! From Charcoal, Jet, Blue-Black to Ebony Chocolate, Caramel, Butterscotch-Brown to Yam-Yellow and Praline Cream, we have various hair textures, skin tones and physiques. Only a Black woman can rock a bald head and look MAJESTIC!!

          • Sodia(SexyBlackWoman)

            @donscarletti post some pics of black American nasty girls cuz i would love to see them u dumb ass….than i will post pics of Chinese or Asian born nasty girls so you can see that there are nasty women of EVERY race stupid..some men don’t like African women who are born in live in Africa some men only like black American women that is their preference but just because YOU prefer one thing over another don’t make it the BEST it just makes it the BEST for you..i could never date a CHINEESE MAN or a NON AMERICAN BORN ASIAN MAN STRAIGHT FROM CHINA or ASIA hell no!!! He has to be born in LA or NY or Jersey or Philly or Paris or somewhere that is cultivated with cultural beyond just Asian culture or Chinese culture because if not he will have no swag at all. .African women are the ones who will date Asian guys born in Asia or China which is totally crazy to black American women…we don’t do that at all!!!! but does it make it right or wrong no it makes it just right for ME i can only speak for me and you can only speak for YOU!!! get it???

        • Ray

          I think he meant “nasty” as a good thing, like playing dirty in bed or something. I guess that is why

          “You can be certain these chinese men don’t miss chinese women one bit.”

    • The Other Guy

      Not a fan of the racist comments, but seriously kudos to the guy who commented on the torch.
      I couldn’t help but lol at that comment.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        My whole life long, I never thought it would be Chinese people themselves that would confirm that they all have trouble seeing properly, for some odd reason.
        I agree that it’s a good zinger, but it just manages to slip between the cracks, you know?

      • Total 101

        and we all know why they cant see, with those kind of eyes that look like straight lines I would also be having difficulty seeing anything……So we can talk about others and how they are not welcomed into your polluted country and yet they are flooding other countries having imigrated from China….talk about stupidity….

    • Chad

      True of all countries really. Have you seen the response when white women go out with black men? Trust me, it’s just as vile.

      • Po Han

        Once you go black, we don’t want you back.

    • Kyle

      I used to be like you, so open-minded (dumb and naive), so I completely understand your point of view. But then I learned the truth. The truth is that it DOES matter what kind of person is with what kind of person. I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU LEARN THE TRUTH. Start here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOtsSj1chg#t=03m00s

      http://erectuswalksamongst.us/

      Knowledge for those who are open-minded and curious enough to learn. You know the saying about leading the horse to water? Well, this is the best I can do for you!

      • Carl Hungus

        That’s fucking hilarious.

        It’s the Illuminati man!

        The Elder’s of Zion!

        The lizard people walk amongst us!

        Are you, by any chance, Mel Gibson?

  • Rich

    Fucking hell. I’d rather look at that puppy roasting shit than this racist crap. Fucking hell.

  • http://unblockfacebookinchina.info/access-facebook-in-china Rod

    I’ll admit that I’ve never seen a black woman with an Asian guy before. But anything is possible.

    The women in the photos were very attractive – surprisingly.

    Usually Chinese guys can only score second-rate women when it comes to dating foreigners, regardless of their color.

    Good job guys, so I don’t feel bad about taking all your Chinese women!

    • 张军

      Usually Chinese guys can only score second-rate women when it comes to dating foreigners, regardless of their color.

      indeed,but also many foreigners are hanging around with some very ugly chinese gals

      • Carl Hungus

        This is a fair comment- from a Chinese point of view. My wife played match-maker to a couple of friends in Beijing and i thought he was far too good-looking for her but then my wife told me that she was generally considered too good for him because she was tall. Chinese people have different standards- foreigners don’t care about skin colour or height so much.

        • anon

          I would agree that in comparison, white foreigners (since there are plenty of foreigners that are just like the Chinese) particularly from developed and fairly multicultural countries seem to care less about skin color than many Chinese people. But I’d still say they certainly care, and darker/black people tend to get shafted more relative to other “lighter” skin colors all the same.

          I’d say there’s no appreciable difference between foreigners and Chinese over the issue of male-female height differences. The vast majority of men and women around the world prefer the man in the couple to be taller than the woman. It’s a fairly ubiquitous preference.

          What I think most of us find grating is that many Chinese people are seemingly far more open about their racial prejudices than many of us are used to coming from countries where people are a bit more guarded and socialized with what we call “political correctness” and greater institutional multicultural sensitivity. The United States in particular, owing to no small amount of self-pride in being an immigrant country, is socially sensitive to matters of race and prejudice.

          I liked the movie Crash because it captured what I think is undeniably true, that so many of us harbor racial prejudices yet rarely think of ourselves as being racists. If after so much institutional socialization in multicultural sensitivity we are still so often victims of our own prejudices, how much “worse” it must be for so many Chinese who haven’t had the benefit of such socialization. It’s going to take a long time for many Chinese to overcome their prejudices and ultimately, it’s a never-ending battle.

          • Carl Hungus

            Aaaaagh.

            Crash was shite. Self important garbage.

            I learned more about race relations in the USA by watching South Park.

            China has a huge ethnic diversity- and massive racism. Just as bad as the USA in the fifties.

            If Americans could know better, then Chinese should know better too- unless we’re saying they’re too dumb or backward.

          • anon

            Both Crash and South Park are social commentary and in the realm of racism, both have similar messages. You may prefer one method of delivery over another but ultimately its about whether you’ve absorbed that message or not. Have you?

            Hard to say China has huge ethnic diversity. In some ways, its true, but in other ways, its also substantively different from the ethnic diversity we see in a place like the US. Its important to accurately know the limits of such similarities and differences.

            Yes, if Americans can get better, so can the Chinese, but you can’t ignore what it took for Americans to get better. It took Americans a lot of time, coexistence, and institutionalized education to develop the sensitivities they have today towards ethnic and racial diversity, and even now many still struggle. Have the Chinese gone through the same process? Are Americans further along than the Germans? The British? The French? Why? Why not? There are many factors that go into how a social develops the values and norms it has and that process is not always linear due to a myriad of other environmental factors.

            The only thing that is dumb or backward is failing to acknowledge and account for what shapes us versus what shapes others. We are products of our socialization and not all socialization is equal. If we want others to be more like us, we must seek for a convergence in our socialization. Chinese can know “better” just as Americans can. The question is how will they come to know better, not if.

          • Carl Hungus

            Listen, anon.. mate:

            I cannot be bothered my arse to read the massive wall of text you just wrote.

            Crash is a movie for white people who want to feel OK about the fact that they don’t have any black friends.

            Let’s just leave it at that, mmmkay?

      • eattot

        right, especially in shanghai, some women with laowais look like southeast asian . we talk often about foreigners have bad eyes, but most foreign guys i know do not have bad taste, go to some hiphop bars, most chinese women there are quite average or maybe just hookers, but to be frank, pretty girls can find rich chinese men, why go after old laowais? nobody is fool in this city.

        • eattot

          but some old men very smart and with some special charming, also quite attractive, i do not mean all old are looser!

          • Patrick

            I got a lot of this. Chinese people consider my wife to be very beautiful. I’m often complimented that I wasn’t like most laowai and that I didn’t pick an “ugly wife”. While it can be nice to hear everyone assumes that she picked me because I was rich – I’m not. And they assume this because I’m older (I’m 38).

            It gets very tiring. I didn’t marry my wife because she’s beautiful. She didn’t choose me because I’m a foreigner or rich. Before she dated me she told me she wouldn’t date a foreigner.

            On this forum you often hear that Chinese women are gold-diggers. Yes there are a few. You hear that Chinese men cheat every chance they get – this is far from being a chinese cultural phenomenon this pretty much describes any culture. Racism is all about preconceptions. Some old men are smart, some are stupid. Some are charming – even attractive and so yes not all are losers (although they are often loose). But it really doesn’t matter, smart or stupid, charming or not, it’s about them as people.

            But in general, having a big penis comes in handy too.

          • Jax

            As a western man, i would like to inform you ‘eattot’ that south-east Asian women such as filipinas have a better reputation and considered hotter in general and more compatible with westerners than chinese women. Just fyi since you implied chinese are superior to them.

          • Fred

            “The average person in China has had far less exposure and interaction with different races and cultures than the average Westerner. They’ve also had far less institutionalized multicultural sensitivity education and socialization.”

            The problem is that Chinese people aren’t changing fast enough. They believe their racism is “inconsequential” because they will never meet these nasty people, so who cares? But now they are meeting these people. And the disconnect is excruciating – to say the least.

          • anon

            Fred, black people think non-black people aren’t changing fast enough as well, what with them perpetually being discriminated against by so many other races, not least of all the white man.

            It took our own cultures and societies centuries to get where we are today and yet only in the past few decades have we done away with many explicit forms of institutionalized racial discrimination. In the grand scheme of things, we’re not really that far ahead of the Chinese and they’re not lacking compelling reasons for not developing as far as we have in certain areas just as our ancestors had compelling reasons for not having developed as far as the Chinese in certain areas. We live in a world where racial prejudice is still very much alive and strong. This is hardly a case where the Chinese and the Chinese alone are behind “the curve”. Much of the world is far closer to the Chinese with regards to their attitudes towards race than they are closer to where you’re likely from or what you’re likely identifying with. Think about that.

            Then think about why that is so. Is it because they are inherently deficient compared to you? Or is it because they haven’t had the benefit of developing in the exact same environment as you? Why did it take the French so much longer and so many more bloody revolutions to achieve a “democratic” state than the Americans? You have to put things in context.

            I’m sorry to say but most people in this world believe their racism is inconsequential, especially when they think its okay as long as they don’t express their racism publicly in front of those specific people. Even in America, expressions of prejudice are guided more by fear of the consequences than by true internalized enlightenment. Why else would there be a need for hate crime legislation? But that’s fine, because over time, that helps change norms and the hope is certainly that discouraging certain behaviors and beliefs will eventually stamp them out entirely. China needs to go through that phase too, and unlike a place like America, it hasn’t had as much widespread multicultural exposure and integration. With more and more foreigners coming to China for economic opportunities, that will change. China today is far better than China was even 10, 20, 30 years ago in terms of racial attitudes. No, it isn’t up to what many of us are accustomed to, but its getting better.

            A lot of people tend to adopt the false notion that we are started at the same place and thus if I’m better than you right now, that means I somehow inherently superior. This can be true but only to certain extents. In reality, and in broader terms of entire societies and countries, its very much not true. None of us were truly born equal and in equal circumstances. We could be born at the exact same time but you were born into an environment with greater natural resources than I was. We could be born to the exact same parents but our parents were richer when you were born than when I was, and as such, you got to go to better schools and had more toys to play with. All of this shapes who we become to a great deal. We could be twins and treated equally in every regard but you had a horribly disfiguring accident during puberty. That’ll set you back, but its my choice as to whether or not I’ll look down on your for it, and whether I do or not says a lot about what kind of person I am.

          • Bruce

            @anon

            “China today is far better than China was even 10, 20, 30 years ago in terms of racial attitudes. No, it isn’t up to what many of us are accustomed to, but its getting better.”

            Who says? I don’t think you have ability to verify that claim. 10 years ago in mainland China it was common enough to hear people with college degrees claim the Olympics were a competition between races (not precisely the acceptable kind) wherein the Chinese were to prove the value of the “yellow race.” Has that changed? Not in any competition which features a capable black man against a Chinese track star. Or even the CBA.

            Furthermore, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that the rabid anti-“West” diatribes you see all over the internet have now really become code for “white people”. Indeed, it is repeatedly becoming joined to the phrase “white pigs” on prominent hate sites like The Economist and The Wall Street Journal. Like it or not, feel it’s justified or not, that didn’t happen 10 years ago.

            “A lot of people tend to adopt the false notion that we are started at the same place and thus if I’m better than you right now, that means I somehow inherently superior.”

            And a lot of overseas Chinese–which may or may not be relevant!**–adopt the ridiculous belief that highlighting just how bad racism is in mainland China means believing one is *inherently* superior. Some even harp on about the environment in which people are raised without actually acknowledging that people (gasp) are partly responsible for creating their own environments.*** Unfortunately, such overseas Chinese make too many presumptions in this process. They presume they can detect feelings of “superiority” wherever they go–and are quick with accusations of “bias,” often insisting upon it even when proof of bias has been eliminated. They presume to hear under the label “Chinese” a distinct xenophobia, sometimes feeling the word itself is suggestive of racism.**** They presume mainland Chinese have not had experiences that could have led to better attitudes (but failed to make use of them). They presume they themselves are in a better position to mitigate between the two groups in contest, even when it’s patently obvious they are simply trying to defend and excuse what’s happening in China by down-playing it when not completely denying it. They generally hold a far more critical eye toward their country of citizenship than they do to the mainland. Why is that?

            “With more and more foreigners coming to China for economic opportunities, that will change.”

            Another presumption. That will change–OR there will be beat downs on blacks and others (foreigners, other ethnicities) like we saw in Beijing a couple of years ago. We really have no idea what will come about, which is precisely why comment on the massive amount of racism in China NOW is important. It’s rather pathetic when people claim that things will just get better and better–all because no one is inherently superior (glad we got that out of the way). Unfortunately, history has not given us strong enough reason to believe this is the reason things will get better.

            The Chinese don’t have to go the way the Americans have gone (some would rejoice in this). In fact, they may just as well oppose that development either out of spite, or just to be different from the US. All the self-consoling presumptions won’t make a dent in the problem.

            **Take this as a massive presumption on my own part. If irrelevant to you, you should recognize how your own comment is pretty much equally irrelevant to Fred. Highlighting a group of people that Fred’s comments didn’t reflect is, if anything, refractive. Regardless whether you are overseas Chinese, this statement about a distinctive kind of apologist rings especially true among those communities, particularly in the US.

            ***I was raised in a rather racist small community, and when young I went to a church that had one black member among 299 “whites” of various backgrounds. My mother made it a point to have us sit aside of that singular, elderly gentleman. We didn’t do it out of interest in the exotic. We were not boorish or indiscreet. We did it because his wife had died a few years before.

            My mom was raised in a community with no black people. That man joined our church when she was already married with kids. Did my mother not have a racist bone in her body because she valued the scripture? Did she do it because she loved soul and gospel? These are things certainly the mainland Chinese still don’t care about, admittedly, and they don’t have to. But it is possible that my mother simply heard the message of Dr. King. She loved Mahalia Jackson primarily for this reason. Now you are going to sit there and tell me Chinese people don’t know Martin Luther King? Not knowing is not a morally questionable position. Not caring is. You can’t argue even primary school children on the mainland have never heard Dr. King’s message.

            **** I wonder, for example, if you’ve considered that, while criticizing the “Chinese” for what happens in China may seem presumptuous, it is far more logical and justifiable, because the term “Chinese” at least covers mainland citizens (while also unfortunately indicating a smaller percentage of false positives), than criticizing “the West” (i.e. white people in its common use now) for something 3 countries have done (a much higher percentage of false positives).

          • anon

            Who says? I don’t think you have ability to verify that claim. 10 years ago in mainland China it was common enough to hear people with college degrees claim the Olympics were a competition between races (not precisely the acceptable kind) wherein the Chinese were to prove the value of the “yellow race.” Has that changed? Not in any competition which features a capable black man against a Chinese track star. Or even the CBA.

            What the hell are you talking about? I don’t see how your comment refutes what I’ve said. I and many others can testify to seeing improvements in racial attitudes in China, that attitudes today are in general better than they were in the past, that they may not be at the level many of us are accustomed to or desire, but that there has been improvement. I’m not sure how to prove this to you or how you’re going to prove the opposite to me.

            Furthermore, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that the rabid anti-”West” diatribes you see all over the internet have now really become code for “white people”. Indeed, it is repeatedly becoming joined to the phrase “white pigs” on prominent hate sites like The Economist and The Wall Street Journal. Like it or not, feel it’s justified or not, that didn’t happen 10 years ago.

            I think you’re confusing the exceptionally small fraction of Chinese people who have the language skills and nationalism to troll The Economist and The Wall Street Journal with the norms of an entire country’s population. Should I take the racist diatribes on chinaSMACK or YouTube as evidence that Western racial attitudes have gotten worse over the past 10, 20, 30 years when the internet wasn’t around? Your argument is a joke. You’re seriously using a few comments on English-language media sites to generalize greater racism amongst a population of 1.3 billion people today than in the past?

            And a lot of overseas Chinese–which may or may not be relevant!**–adopt the ridiculous belief that highlighting just how bad racism is in mainland China means believing one is *inherently* superior. Some even harp on about the environment in which people are raised without actually acknowledging that people (gasp) are partly responsible for creating their own environments.*** Unfortunately, such overseas Chinese make too many presumptions in this process. They presume they can detect feelings of “superiority” wherever they go–and are quick with accusations of “bias,” often insisting upon it even when proof of bias has been eliminated. They presume to hear under the label “Chinese” a distinct xenophobia, sometimes feeling the word itself is suggestive of racism.**** They presume mainland Chinese have not had experiences that could have led to better attitudes (but failed to make use of them). They presume they themselves are in a better position to mitigate between the two groups in contest, even when it’s patently obvious they are simply trying to defend and excuse what’s happening in China by down-playing it when not completely denying it. They generally hold a far more critical eye toward their country of citizenship than they do to the mainland. Why is that?

            1. Yes, it is a massive presumption on your part and I certainly can tell you have some major beef against “overseas Chinese” whom you’re quick to label as “apologists” apparently for certain positions you say espouse apparently in the comments of The Economist or The Wall Street Journal websites.

            2. I actually don’t recognize how my comment is “pretty much equally irrelevant” to Fred. My response to him was not premised on relevance to the specific group of people “Chinese”, but on relevance to perceptions of how fast other people are changing with regards to racial attitudes that affect them. Fred said Chinese aren’t changing fast enough. I put that notion in context by showing how that could be alleged by others against his own. I sought to help him reconsider the implications of what he said by switching the characters. My response is about the Chinese, but about what attitudes we ourselves are letting slip.

            3. I’m sure there are some people who focus on the envinronemt in which people are raised without acknowledging that people are partly responsible for creating their own environments but who exactly here is doing that? Or are you ranting here on chinaSMACK against the overseas Chinese you hate on The Economist and Wall Street Journal (or at least the position you attribute to them)? Is one’s acknwoledgement that environment shapes people automatically their failure to acknowledge that people are partly responsible for shaping their environments? Isn’t that a false dichotomy? You need to have actual proof of someone refusing to acknowledge the latter before you accuse them of not acknwoledging it. I don’t see how that is the case here.

            4. Your aside about your childhood church experiences and mother are really getting off topic. I understand you’re building up to the final question of asking whether Chinese children have heard of Martin Luther King Jr. and what he stood for, suggesting that so long as they have, they should be capable of being like your mother and not being as racist as the other townspeople in your town, but surely you see the weakness in your contention, right? Dr. King’s message is institutionalized in the education and socialization of Americans to a far greater degree than they are in Chinese society and education, for quite obvious reason, much like how Confucious and Mao are institutionalized to a far greater degree than in American education and society. America has a holiday dedicated to Dr. King. China doesn’t. I’d venture to say that most Chinese schoolchildren DON’T learn about Dr. King whereas most American children do. So your mother heard of Dr. King. What about the other racist townspeople? Didn’t they? No one is saying people have zero control over who they are, but it is folly to deny how much our environment influences who we are and our attitudes. I can’t imagine why you’d expect Chinese people to be as familiar with Dr. King or his message as Americans but I trust you’d level the same expectations against the Japanese and Koreans, not just the mainland Chinese, right?

            5. You then rant about overseas Chinese people who you feel are overly sensitive and too quick to accuse others of racism and bias. Hey, you know what? I’ve encountered those people before as well. We see a few of them here. But you’re mistaken here in thinking I’m reacting to Fred merely uttering the word “Chinese”. As I had to explain above, I’m reacting to the notion of judging another people’s speed of development or rate of change. And really now, the same angst you have against overseas Chinese for being overly sensitive at the mention of “Chinese” can be applied to you as well except with you being overly sensitive to something else, in this case, people you presume to be overseas Chinese reacting to criticisms involving the word “Chinese”. Stop for a moment and consider again what is being said.

            6. Finally, for this last part of your comment, its evident you harbor similar levels of suspicion and distrust towards overseas Chinese as you accuse them of harboring towards the critical people of the country of their own citizenship. Don’t you think you’ve gone too far when you start associating a demographic with a specific set of behaviors? That’s the basis of racism and prejudice. Look at you, you associate defense (or, really, contextualization) of the current state of racial attidues amongst mainland Chinese with being an overseas Chinese person. Presumption is putting it nicely. Racist wouldn’t be out of the question. Surely you see that in yourself, right?

            You’re angry with certain overseas Chinese whom you see as presuming that mainland Chinese have not had certain experiences that should have improved their attitudes. Sure, show me someone who is guilty of that and I’ll agree with you that they’re being presumptuous. But here’s the thing. I don’t think I’m doing that here. I don’t see how you’re going to refute my contention that mainland Chinese have not had the same or the same degree of multiculturalism as Americans have and thus their racial attitudes will be affected by such. Those that have tend to have more racial attitudes more similar to Americans, such as many Chinese-Americans.

            You’re also angry with certain overseas Chinese whom you see as presuming they are in a better position to “mitigate” (I’m not sure “mitigate” is the right word) between the “two groups in contest”. Not very different from Mexican Americans believing they can play the same role, or any other “overseas” ethnicity or nationality I suppose, right? In truth, simply being overseas Chinese doesn’t guarantee one is in a better position, but its hard to argue that in general, it provides great advantages in intimate direct exposure to both groups of people, cultures, and societies. We should challenge proclamations or assumptions that one is automatically and irrefutably in a better position, but is it really wise to reject such a notion outright? I don’t think so. But just as some foreigners understand China and the Chinese better than other foreigners, likewise for overseas Chinese and likewise for people in general. People are in a better position when they demonstrate that they are, and they demonstrate that by what they say, how they articulate their positions, how they refute the position of others. If you’re just angry with overseas Chinese assuming they know better, fine, but I don’t see that as being relevant here. If you think you know better than I do, please articulate it, don’t just accuse me of being an overseas Chinese person and then explain why you dislike overseas Chinese people. That’s like telling a black person they’re wrong by explaining why you dislike black people.

            You’re further angry with certain overseas Chinese whom you see as having a far more critical eye toward the country of their citizenship than they do toward the mainland. Let me guess, you’re also upset with them accusing you of being more critical of the mainland than of your own country? Look, that’s a presumption on your part as well. The fact is, you don’t really know just how critical they may be towards the mainland in other circles of discussion. You don’t know, but you assume. That argument plays itself out here on chinaSMACK too all the time. What’s fair to bicker over is the fairness of one’s expressions as limited to a specific circle of discussion, but that fairness should be judged by the fairness of statements made, not by the target criticized. You seem to be overweighting who gets targeted instead of focusing and caring more about just what people are saying. You criticize overseas Chinese for targeting, yet you target yourself. Forget who the target is. Focus on the fairness of the criticism.

            Another presumption. That will change–OR there will be beat downs on blacks and others (foreigners, other ethnicities) like we saw in Beijing a couple of years ago. We really have no idea what will come about, which is precisely why comment on the massive amount of racism in China NOW is important. It’s rather pathetic when people claim that things will just get better and better–all because no one is inherently superior (glad we got that out of the way). Unfortunately, history has not given us strong enough reason to believe this is the reason things will get better.

            Sure, I acknwoledge the notion that racial attitudes in China will change given greater exposure to foreigners is a presumption. I base tht on it generally being true everywhere else in the world, like America, where beat downs on blacks still happen despite improved racial attitudes across a greater cross section of society. Sure, none of us know for certain what the future will hold, but that’s not exactly an airtight refutation of what I said, is it? No one said comment on the amount of racism in China now is unimportant. That’s yet another presumption on your part. I think it is a mistake on your part to equate someone who tempers unrealistic and impatient expectations by saying things take time with someone who considers those things unimportant. I recognize that demanding change and urging improvement does give momentum, but do you recognize that there’s a line before one starts sounding like an self-righteous self-entitled baby? Also note that I don’t think or say that things will just get better and better on their own, but repeatedly stress that environmental factors will influence how fast things get better. Part of what helped America improve its racial attitudes is because of increased and persistent exposure to diversity. China will (I presume on the basis of my observations of history) benefit from such as well.

            The Chinese don’t have to go the way the Americans have gone (some would rejoice in this). In fact, they may just as well oppose that development either out of spite, or just to be different from the US. All the self-consoling presumptions won’t make a dent in the problem.

            No, the Chinese don’t, but I was referring to America by way of example. You seem intent on suggesting that Chinese people will persist in being racist, going so far as to argue its likelihood as being born out of spite towards the US. If that’s the way you want to see Chinese people, I can’t stop you, but I do think you’re being every bit as ridiculous as the Chinese people you’re criticising. You’re fashioning your own enemy.

            Finally, instead of spending more time trying to figure out what you mean, can you please elaborate on what you’re referring to with your **** footnote? Ideally with specific reference to how it is precisely replying to whatever it is I’ve said.

          • Bruce

            @anon

            Let’s keep this as short as possible (forgiveness) because I see how quickly your sensitivity is exposed. Pointing out that many in the overseas Chinese community do these things does not amount to anger or hate, but you would have it so and repeatedly use the words rant and hate to conceal your own discomfort. It’s clear my massive presumption was fairly accurate about you, however.

            You are making a positive claim about the improvement of racial attitudes in China and are anticipating further improvement. I’m saying you don’t have evidence. It is likely impossible to prove either way, but can we agree upon a test? As far as I’m concerned, the best test for your theory that increased exposure to other ethnicities will ameliorate racism among the Chinese is to actually observe the kinds of interaction mainlanders have with “ethnic foreigners” on their travels beyond the mainland, since there the opportunity to interact far greater. I think we will both agree that will allow us to evaluate more aptly. Are the mainlanders generally curious about local customs? Do they make an effort to interact with local communities and speak about various things with others on the street? It shops? At restaurants? Sadly, no. They stay within the local Chinese communities as much as possible. Travel to any community in SEA with a mainland tour guide and you’ll be exposed to a very high level of overt racism, all of which the mainlanders with you will absorb happily, and which only reinforces their racism. If you don’t have quality interactions when you have to opportunity to, it is no longer due to a lack of experience. It’s you refusing to have an experience.

            In addition, I’m pointing out that Chinese attitudes toward “the West” has taken on a specifically racial tone in the past few years (the West now being equated with bad white people), apparently aided and assisted by members of the overseas Chinese community. I say the overseas Chinese community because many of them, and they are quite influential on several boards, identify themselves as such on the internet, and have tried to make any number of political, economic, social, and cultural issues center on racial issues. Naturally they may not actually be overseas Chinese or Chinese at all, but it would be better to accept their word on this than go through the perverse contortions of claiming they are trolls set up to defame the Chinese community. In some cases they appear to be hired by the Chinese government, in others not. But there is no question they are racists. I direct you to Papapeng, Zhubajie, John Chan, Panasian and others squatting on many sites. As long as they are not opposed by overseas Chinese, and they never are, their arguments become partial representatives of those populations.

            “I think you’re confusing the exceptionally small fraction of Chinese people who have the language skills and nationalism to troll The Economist and The Wall Street Journal with the norms of an entire country’s population.”

            Unlike troglodyte white racists, who could never hope to gain major traction on news websites in the West, this small fraction is not incompatible with the values of the rest of their society. Racism is persistently revealed at all levels in China, even amongst those who have the opportunity to move beyond their civilization’s limitations, and indeed even among the relatively more educated and informed. And it’s not as though these are minority positions held among the “netizens” when posting in English or Chinese. They are not the only ones held, naturally–no one ever said as much. But as a measurable quantity of those with a voice, they are very significant. I can’t help but to think that an attempt to brush the attitudes they reveal away by saying they are held by “a very small fraction of Chinese people” will just leave you looking embarrassed as more and more mainlanders utter them.

            “Should I take the racist diatribes on chinaSMACK or YouTube as evidence that Western racial attitudes have gotten worse over the past 10, 20, 30 years when the internet wasn’t around?”

            Yes, we’ve all heard this spurious argument before. It should be about method (for which there is some validity), but you use it as an argument of equivalence. What we should say is: Please do. Please do take those into account. And please take the countervailing evidence of Westerners criticizing such racists into account. There is an enormous quantitative difference between China and “the West” in those numbers. I’m confident it will be borne out.

            Now I guess we have to do the number game.

            1. See above. First paragraph. I regret being right about you, I must say. As for the overseas Chinese, on many websites. And publishing idiotic articles like Jenny Zhang, and refusing at all points to criticize the PRC over anything, as well. In fact, you are doing it now. And all I have to do is look further down the thread and see your sensitivity over the use of “Chinese’ also. A rather bad showing on your part, I’m afraid.

            2. You can’t be this dense. Your post used the “false notion” which leads to a belief in inherent superiority that a lot of people apparently ascribe to (or this is your making) to Fred, who said nothing to suggest he holds such a false notion. Chinese people aren’t changing fast enough certainly doesn’t.
            It’s simply a statement of relative movement.

            3. Who knows if you are, but your statement focused so heavily on the “environment,” which is such a nebulous term as to be nearly meaningless, that you ignored the considerations that people are able to make even when context and environment would appear to preclude them (my mother’s example). My point about people actually refusing to have a positive experience which allows for the amelioration of racism, like the Chinese travelers in SEA in fact, is part of this story as well.

            4. “I’d venture to say that most Chinese schoolchildren DON’T learn about Dr. King whereas most American children do.”

            And you’d be wrong. Even elementary textbooks contain King’s selections, albeit with the propagandist twist.

            “Dr. King’s message is institutionalized in the education and socialization of Americans to a far greater degree than they are in Chinese society and education, for quite obvious reason, much like how Confucious and Mao are institutionalized to a far greater degree than in American education and society”

            You surely see the weakness in your argument, right? Doctor King’s message WASN’T institutionalized during my mother’s youth. It was perceived as dangerous to existing institutions. The awareness you show here is simply pitiful. The point is that conscientious objection to injustice can occur when one hears a simple message, and it can occur on a massive scale (as it did with Dr. King). When it happens, institutional practice struggles to contain it or yields before it. May I be allowed to needle you in saying that this blindness of yours toward paradigmatic shifts is rather reflective of certain aspects of Chinese political history? Your attempt to limit mainland Chinese strictly to the conscience of their their immediate environment is affected and puling.

            “What about the other racist townspeople? Didn’t they? No one is saying people have zero control over who they are, but it is folly to deny how much our environment influences who we are and our attitudes”

            Not all the townspeople were racist, and they did eventually come along. People could see the injustice, even if their backgrounds and experience didn’t speak toward it. To this day some still hold views I’d oppose if said publically, no doubt; but the community changed drastically for the better. This type of thing will likely not happen in China because hardly anyone but foreigners, albeit not the overseas Chinese who should be aware of the dangers of racism, but who instead devote themselves to apologizing for it as it is practiced among mainlanders, call mainland Chinese on their racism. This is especially true since the new cross-continental Han victimhood set in after XinJiang and Tibet’s riots. We’ll see if they are willing to see the injustice of their attitudes. In this sense, Fauna’s work is welcome if only as reflection for us all.

            “I can’t imagine why you’d expect Chinese people to be as familiar with Dr. King or his message as Americans but I trust you’d level the same expectations against the Japanese and Koreans, not just the mainland Chinese, right?”

            Sure. If they’ve heard it, they are responsible for it. Who would feel the need to ask that question save one with a vague ethnic paranoia?

            5. “And really now, the same angst you have against overseas Chinese for being overly sensitive at the mention of “Chinese” can be applied to you as well except with you being overly sensitive to something else, in this case, people you presume to be overseas Chinese reacting to criticisms involving the word “Chinese”. Stop for a moment and consider again what is being said.”

            Why anon, many do. You are precisely one who does so in your response to Leo below. Deflecting criticism with accusations of bigotry and bias is becoming a Chinese internet commentary sport.

            6. “Sure, none of us know for certain what the future will hold, but that’s not exactly an airtight refutation of what I said, is it?”

            That’s a bit thick. Why would I need an airtight refutation to a claim you make without evidence, and one which you admit is wishful thinking? Merely showing that your claim is unsupported is enough. I’ve done that.

            6. “Don’t you think you’ve gone too far when you start associating a demographic with a specific set of behaviors? That’s the basis of racism and prejudice.”

            The question here should be do you think this set of behaviors is over-represented when considering the actual number of overseas Chinese? And is that significant? No one is trying to claim it is something that they have to do or do as a whole community. It is neither inherent nor necessary. When seen, it is a political choice that often presumes (on their part) racist views. Do you refuse to reflect on this?

            “The fact is, you don’t really know just how critical they may be towards the mainland in other circles of discussion. You don’t know, but you assume. That argument plays itself out here on chinaSMACK too all the time.”

            Ah, the old “in private” gambit. In which circles? My point is rather that you can live with your thoughts–I only care about what is said in public and its broader effects.

            “You seem to be overweighting who gets targeted instead of focusing and caring more about just what people are saying. You criticize overseas Chinese for targeting, yet you target yourself.”

            Oh. Sigh. Born on a seesaw you were. Of exceptional skill in rhetorical technique you are. If you’d like, we can go through some of the posts on other websites and quote overseas Chinese directly. After all, it’s those comments (like your own) which have prompted this point. Your tactic is always to turn in a circle and pretend everyone has the same problems. Not only is this not true, it is laziness on your part. Nothing I’ve said here has been exceptionally scathing, yet you insist I’m being unfair and am angry.

            “I recognize that demanding change and urging improvement does give momentum, but do you recognize that there’s a line before one starts sounding like an self-righteous self-entitled baby?”

            Are you the arbiter of that line? Given there is a line, perhaps we don’t have to listen to any more claims of racism directed toward the Chinese community in America, which seems to be doing quite well for itself? No? Fair enough. Who is it that you claim is self-righteous and self-entitled anyway?

            “But just as some foreigners understand China and the Chinese better than other foreigners, likewise for overseas Chinese and likewise for people in general. People are in a better position when they demonstrate that they are, and they demonstrate that by what they say, how they articulate their positions, how they refute the position of others. If you’re just angry with overseas Chinese assuming they know better, fine, but I don’t see that as being relevant here. If you think you know better than I do, please articulate it, don’t just accuse me of being an overseas Chinese person and then explain why you dislike overseas Chinese people”

            Hai. Your sensitivity is, in the truest sense of the word, pathetic. I don’t mean that to be insulting. It’s simply true. Look, you either are or are not overseas Chinese. I don’t particularly care. Obviously it doesn’t invalidate or validate any arguments you make. If you are and you find it discomforting that I should point out how typical many of your comments are, I understand. No one likes to be a type and easily observed as a type, even if they are.

            That said, you have said very little that shows any knowledge of China. You don’t even appear to know you’ve not made any verifiable claims. Most of what you’ve said is at the level of “theoretical ethics” and worth what we’d expect from that, and consequently I’ve refuted them at a theoretical level. I’ve at least made reference to things, you know, actually occurring in the PRC.

            “You’re further angry with certain overseas Chinese whom you see as having a far more critical eye toward the country of their citizenship than they do toward the mainland. Let me guess, you’re also upset with them accusing you of being more critical of the mainland than of your own country? Look, that’s a presumption on your part as well.”

            This is a remarkably stupid statement. I waited till the end to hang it there in all of its glory.

          • anon

            Bruce, I’m going to try my best to avoid your baiting but I may fail. In general, I think you’re unable to see your own reflection.

            It’s sad that you think only overseas Chinese would disagree with your sentiments.

            I think your test is reasonable but I think you’re only recording the results you need to support your hypothesis while conveniently discarding the results that don’t. You highlight examples of non-integration while ignoring examples of integration, of curiosity. That’s your prejudice and it is dishonest.

            I’m not sure why you find it so odd that many people tend to stick with their own kind. The mere existence of these people do not in any way prove the lack of people who don’t stick with their own kind. Some people are more adventurous and adaptable than others. There are reasons why almost all immigrant groups set up enclaves of their own in their adopted homelands, whether that be Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Mexicans, Haitians, Armenians, Jews, Irish, etc. That these exist may suggest a certain refusal to integrate but it doesn’t prove that all people of that ethnicity or race refuse to integrate. That’s again a gross presumption on your part. I’m also having a hard time believing your’e ignorant enough to not know that, and yet you try advancing such a ridiculous argument.

            I understand you’re commenting on overseas Chinese people and racial attitudes towards the west. I just failed to see how that refutes my response to Fred, when you suggested that’s what you’re doing.

            Personally, I don’t agree with the generalization that Chinese attitudes towards “the West” have taken on a specifically racial tone. I think there’s an element of race involved, for many, sure, and I think that could be applied to both sides as China becomes increasingly powerful economically and potentially more. People who see the other as a threat can get nasty and resort to emotional demonizations. I see that racial tone on both sides. Are you trying to say it only exists on one side or that it exists more on one side? I find that laughable and totally missing the point. It’s no different from the Chinese 50 cent party “okay, we’re bad but they’re worse!” defense. You’re using all of the same arguments, defenses, and excuses you accuse overseas Chinese and Chinese of using.

            There’s going to be racism regardless in such a situation, but I think you’re reacting more to increasing assertiveness by Chinese who are emboldened by China’s rise, who see themselves as now having a bit of weight to command, even throw around. I don’t agree with people who throw their weight around for no good reason, but there are people who are going to see your reaction as a you being uncomfortable with Chinese people being anything more than submissive and passive. There are assertive Americans who are proud and defensive of their country and background. There will be Chinese who are like that too. I worry that you’re overgeneralizing your interactions with certain Chinese nationalists on the WSJ or The Economist onto Chinese people or overseas Chinese people as a whole. That makes you no different from a Chinese person who overgeneralizes “bad white people”.

            I’m disturbed by how openly you admit to using several commenters on several websites as representatives of the overseas Chinese population. Are you serious? Have you no conception of how stupid you look?

            In fact, my god, I honestly can’t be bothered with you any further. There’s no reasoning with someone who openly accepts falsehoods and fallacies and then takes himself seriously. Have a nice day.

          • Bruce

            @anon

            It’s good that you’ve calmed down.

            “It’s sad that you think only overseas Chinese would disagree with your sentiments.”

            Nowhere did I make that claim. You shadow-box too frequently.

            “I think your test is reasonable but I think you’re only recording the results you need to support your hypothesis while conveniently discarding the results that don’t.”

            Glad you would accept my test, but I’m afraid I’m not discarding any results. It’s you who keep saying that any number of mainland Chinese expressing overtly racist sentiments is negligible and not representative. I highlight such commentators and travelers for what they are—instances, but quite common ones in their sample set (online or among tour groups). You should also feel free to find people among the Chinese community (mainland and overseas) who rigorously oppose such sentiments. I think you’ll find they are very few, however, and this is important. Unfortunately, the baseline of your demonstrably lazy approach is to simply say the attitudes put forth by such commentators or travelers are exclusive to them, rather than seeing it as indicative of a larger set of generally held attitudes in their communities. Since by far the most quantitatively measurable and representative account of Han—other ethnicity encounters will lie in online commentary and travel, I’ve chosen to select from those two data sets. I’m curious as to whether you believe the Han come off looking “normal,” or as you say, just like everyone else, in either set. I’m curious whether you honestly believe the number of Chinese who upbraid other Chinese for racism even begins to approach that of, say, Americans responding to callous racists on yahoo.

            “I’m not sure why you find it so odd that many people tend to stick with their own kind. The mere existence of these people do not in any way prove the lack of people who don’t stick with their own kind.”

            I guess you are posting this in reference to the test, so let’s get something out of the way. Living in an immigrant community is in no way comparable to purposefully avoiding contact with other ethnicities when choosing to travel to countries in which they are the majority, nor is it the same with respect to the kind of hostility and racism mainland travel groups throw around. I can see how you may confuse these two things, but it’s obvious that one should travel to engage and be made aware of differences, not simply to reaffirm one’s prejudices, and this is much different than the conditions and context in which most people immigrate, which happen to involve a high degree of vulnerability. So yes, mainlanders going to Malaysia for a week but eating no Malaysian food or engaging with Malay, yet still talking shit about them the whole time, sticking with the overseas Chinese who they don’t know, simply because they are Chinese, is far more damning as a statement of racism than natural immigrant communities. You can try to speak toward their vulnerabilities if you’d like, but the fact remains they are the second estate in many of those countries–a lot more privileged, and not afraid to use those privileges.

            “That these exist may suggest a certain refusal to integrate but it doesn’t prove that all people of that ethnicity or race refuse to integrate.”

            Who said it did? Can you for one moment quit being hyperactive? Your contortions are of your own making.

            “I understand you’re commenting on overseas Chinese people and racial attitudes towards the west. I just failed to see how that refutes my response to Fred, when you suggested that’s what you’re doing.”

            To clarify again. You used a type (“a lot of people”) that was not in any way suggested by Fred’s post to respond to Fred’s post. I used a type which was partially reflected in your own post and gave you the option of rejecting its relevance. In the process of your attempted rejection of it, you’ve only confirmed that you are willing to become said type.

            “I see that racial tone on both sides. Are you trying to say it only exists on one side or that it exists more on one side? I find that laughable and totally missing the point.”

            Actually, it doesn’t miss the point—this is simply the defensive measure you use because you are aware it is more commonly expressed on one side, and by individuals who should no longer be excused for it out of poor education, impoverishment, etc. Your argument is one that Kaipan tried to put forward in the past. It was stupid then and remains so now. For the claim is not the 50-center’s “okay, we’re bad but they are worse,” as you struggle to characterize it; rather, it is better articulated as: “The ongoing vestigial existence of racism is a shameful in our society, and based primarily on disgusting ignorance,” to the mainland Chinese: “What racism? We just tell things like it is! We even give minorities more rights than we have!” The response to racism is different in a qualitative sense, the existence of racism in merely a quantitative sense. Your inability to tell the difference is merely another example of how your chronic simplicity is inadequate. Eager to turn in a circle and lazily pretend everyone’s motivation/argument is the same, you’re so busy looking for equivalences that you miss everything significant.

            “but I think you’re reacting more to increasing assertiveness by Chinese who are emboldened by China’s rise, who see themselves as now having a bit of weight to command, even throw around.”

            I’m responding to idiots who happen to be Chinese (and I don’t think that should protect them), have no weight to command, are completely unhelpful, and are increasingly outspoken. Their assertiveness is noted but ultimately not a primary concern.

            “I don’t agree with people who throw their weight around for no good reason, but there are people who are going to see your reaction as a you being uncomfortable with Chinese people being anything more than submissive and passive.”

            Again with “there are people”. What must it be like to feel the need to speak out of the side of one’s mouth as much as you do? Are you one of those people? Does this relate to myself–or is this only a response to Fred again?

            “In fact, my god, I honestly can’t be bothered with you any further. There’s no reasoning with someone who openly accepts falsehoods and fallacies and then takes himself seriously.”

            And there’s no reasoning with a simpleton who tries to twist and manipulate all comments he finds uncomfortable into logical fallacies, and who is so embarrassed at his incapacity to do so that he must fall back on attributing “hate” and “a beef” to his interlocutor.

            I’ve offered models for evaluation; I’ve offered to cite evidence of overseas Chinese regularly apologizing for or simply ignoring mainland Chinese racism. Hell, we could even get into the perversion of the overseas Chinese community’s contorted support for people like Wen Ho Lee. It’s not like the evidence is minor or rare. But you can’t stomach it. The only horse in your stable is “Yeah, but that’s not everyone!” Brilliant.

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        • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

          “some women with laowais look like southeast asian”

          OH GOD! Not Southeast Asian!!! How horrible!

          “but to be frank, pretty girls can find rich chinese men”

          Oh good. pretty girls get to be money grubbing whores!

          I can’t wait for China to get past this 1940’s western style ignorance…

          • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

            I know you are not trying to be racist and you don’t mean to be eattot, but imagine if I was saying “yeah, foreigners have terrible taste in women, some even think Chinese girls are good looking!” It’s just rude and ignorant, there are tons of VERY hot South East Asians…

          • Chad

            1940s? How about 2010s? Ever notice how white women who go out with black men are often called trailer trash or other derogatory terms? Don’t try to make this about China when men from all races seem to be pretty uncomfortable with their women dating other races.

          • eattot


            i do know what is wrong, being pretty is always commercioganic…marry rich men mean they are diggers??? your so naive, open your eyes, all over the world is the same. who dislike pretty things once they can choose?

          • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

            “Ever notice how white women who go out with black men are often called trailer trash or other derogatory terms?”

            No, sounds like you live in a redneck area, move somewhere less retarded.

          • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

            “i do know what is wrong,”

            As I said, I know you didn’t mean to be bigoted but “some women with laowais look like southeast asian . we talk often about foreigners have bad eyes” is incredibly ignorant, there are many very hot southeast Asian women.

            “marry rich men mean they are diggers?”

            No but “pretty girls can find rich chinese men, why go after old laowais?” does. marrying a good man who is rich means nothing. marrying someone because they are rich does.

          • anon

            I’m not sure I’d equate the racial ignorance or insensitivity of China today with 2010s in the West (though I think you guys are really talking more about the United States) but I certainly wouldn’t say 1940s either. Christ, Jim Crow laws weren’t even repealed until the mid 1960s and the African American Civil Rights movement went into the 1980s. That’s just 30 years ago, one generation, the generation of most of our parents.

            Chad is right that racism and prejudice persist to this day in the West, even in highly multicultural nations like the United States, Canada, and Western Europe. And no, they’re not limited to redneck communities either as you can see people slipping up everywhere, ESPECIALLY online. I mentioned the movie Crash before. Remember that was set in Los Angeles, which isn’t exactly redneck territory.

            But Ethan’s right that China could be said to be going through a stage of ignorance that the West has gone through. The average person in China has had far less exposure and interaction with different races and cultures than the average Westerner. They’ve also had far less institutionalized multicultural sensitivity education and socialization. When even a country as developed as Japan still enjoys blackface comedy on public television, think how much further behind China is.

            If we hold up the poorest parts of China and the most ill-educated Chinese as measures for how far China still has to go, we can’t ignore our own redneck areas as they measure how far we have to go as well.

            And Chad’s right, men of every race seem to be rather “protective” of “their” women. What many white men seem to take for granted is that white culture happens to be the dominant culture and enjoys all the benefits of being such, and that they were born into it, entirely by chance, not merit.

          • Chad

            Yeah, okay there Ethan. I don’t need to move. You just need to open your eyes. Racism against interracial black-white couples may be more subtle over here in-person but you can see what people are really thinking on the internet and I can assure you racism against interracial couples is still very prevalent hiding behind those computer monitors.

          • Chad

            Oh and more specifically Ethan, go on Youtube and search videos of asian guys with white girlfriends. For whatever reason, asian guys are posting lots of these videos hahaha. Anyway, you’ll find PLENTY of racist comments from white guys about the asian guys in those videos where comments are still allowed.

          • Ray

            @ Ethan
            I think what eattot was trying to say is that “We often think that laowais have bad eyes”, a suggestion that this phrase is a chinese stereotype but then she follows with her own opinion “but most foreign guys i know do not have bad taste”, so in fact she is denying the racist stereotype. So please don’t take other’s comments out of context like those cliche corrupted journalist/reporters.

            But if she was not suggesting that “laowais looked like southeast asians” (lol), then it was quite rude of her to suggest that southeast asians are ugly.

  • Anonanon

    Their choice really.

    But I know my parents would disown me on the spot.

    • anon

      From one anon to anon, don’t worry, give it a few more generations of economic development and multicultural integration. That’s what it took before many white societies bean getting over their prejudice and bigotry against colored people.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        Yellow beans, black beans, white beans.. I mean, we’re all human beans! Can’t we all get along no matter who is the sexiest?

        • Boris

          We’re all in this casserole together!

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            Yes. In the end, you, me, all of us — we are all just bean dip waiting to be scooped up by the inescapable nacho chip of Fate.

      • Kyle

        Yes, we are are the same. This video absolutely proves it.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp-dJ1k_DbI

        • SkepticalCow

          I’m so bored of people trying to draw differences between people because of race, rather than economic status.

          Yeah. Hatians looted because their skin is dark, not because they’re the poorest country in the southern hemisphere.

          Yawn.

  • Carl Hungus

    What a hideously racist article. Nobody passes dares to complain about white men marrying Chinese women or vice versa becaise the Chinese always kow-tow to the white race like abused pets. The Chinese seem happy to inhabit a middle ground- despised and looked down upon by whites and yet despising and looking down upon blacks.

    Pathetic- and another reason China will never amount to anything in the long run.

    • anon

      Wait, what’s so hideously racist about it? You have the original poster praising Chinese male and African female unions, talking about how pretty many African women are. You have the usual mix of Chinese netizens who either own up to their prejudices or appeal to the idea that love is all that matters. There are tons of other Chinese internet posts that complain about white men marrying Chinese men and vice versa, just as there are posts complaining about Chinese people kow-towing to whites, just as there are posts complaining about Chinese people despising and looking down on blacks.

      The same shit happens and diversity of opinion occurs in many social circles of every country around the world. Have they never amounted to anything in the long run?

    • dim mak

      People rage about white guys marrying Chinese women all the time, where have you been?

      • 张军

        in china, moron.

    • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

      “Nobody passes dares to complain about white men marrying Chinese women or vice versa becaise the Chinese always kow-tow to the white race like abused pets.”

      Wow… that’s one of the stupidest things I’ve read here (and that’s saying a lot). I see non-stop bitching in the Chinese community about how Chinese women with foreigners are horrible and gold diggers…

      “The Chinese seem happy to inhabit a middle ground- despised and looked down upon by whites and yet despising and looking down upon blacks.”

      Wipe the sand out of your vagina, most Western people could care less about if you are Chinese, many don’t like your government but few look down on the Chinese people themselves.

      “Pathetic- and another reason China will never amount to anything in the long run.”

      What’s pathetic is how many people like yourself take this whole “oh pooor us! We’re so beaten and hated by everyone!” when no one is abusing or hating on China, maybe 100 years ago but 100 years ago everyone was hating everyone else, grow up and get past your own insecurities.

      • Carl Hungus

        When I lived in the UK, Chinese people at my university would not socialise with Africans or Indians- ‘they’re dirty- they smell’ were common complaints.

        There was a great deal of criticism of white people but Chinese people would happily socialise with them and were always polite to their faces. When white people were racist towards them they would just accept it (‘It’s their country’) whereas Indians, Arabs or Africans would hit the roof and not accept it at all.

        I’ve considered what I’ve said and I still think I’m right- in a multi-racial community, Chinese people are prejudiced against other non-whites but will seemingly accept racism from white people.

        And try to be less aggressive when you post comments in the future, my dear: ‘Wipe sand out of your vagina’ indeed!

        • donscarletti

          You were in the UK, the Chinese there probably like British culture and lifestyle enough to choose it as a place to live and want to be more in contact with British people and maybe find a British boyfriend or girlfriend.

          These Chinese guys are in Africa on the other hand have adjusted to where they are have found black wives who hopefully they love very much too. Whether they like British or not is unclear, maybe they don’t, it’s not important since they live in Africa.

          Back home, I found Chinese people to be relatively hard working, friendly, non-threatening and intelligent, so I decided to live in China for a while. If I didn’t like them, I wouldn’t have come to their country and dealt with nobody else day in day out. Same thing.

        • Fred

          Yes indeed. It’s called “internalized oppression” and the Chinese are the guiltiest of all in this regard. (I admit it exists in all races though) The licking of the white man’s arse shows that colonization has never ended in China. And why? Because we fucked them over. And we are admired for that. You couldn’t make it up. What harm has the black man ever done to China? None. And he’s despised for the fact.

      • 张军

        that’s exactly the point! But this again isnt probably his fault, he is just not able to use his own brain to think about how brainwashed he is

    • Leo

      The point is why are they even discussing it? Even mentioning such a thing, whether it be positively or negatively, still shows a lack of intelligence and a lot of ignorance.
      People don’t dedicate whole posts about ‘what a great looking couple’ white women with black guys make, or Asian women with white guys because that is utterly stupid and racist in itself. Why would you bring something like that up? Asian guys/black women might be rare, yes, but it’s not a bloody miracle.

      A human reproducing with another human. I fail to see what is so incredible about that.

      • dim mak

        Because it’s a rare thing in China
        People see race, deal with it

        • “The Elegant Mrs.”

          I am an African American Female who is MARRIED to a 1/2 chinese 1/2 caucasian male. WE LIVE IN NEW ORLEANS LOUISIANA. Yes, in the South! He loves me, I love him and no matter what ignorance is spewed related to our coupling, we have each other’s back. We also have a beautiful child together. Although I am not surpised by what I have seen in these blogs, it is amazing to me that anyone would equate blackness of skin with lack of hygiene (C’mon people). Do you know that every country with poor people has (including China) has people who do not have the luxury of bathing and let me say that I have travelled the world and have seen quite a few places where a bath is considered a luxury, even in China (not just Africa, India, South America, Europe and NORTH America). Go to wikipedia and read about the history of soap. You might be surprised (2800 B.C., Egypt). But, I digress.

          I guess the safety of anonymity emboldens anyone to say the most ignorant stuff. When I was a child, kids made fun of other kids in the way kids do. In the urban schools in the 70s, there were not to many asian kids in my immediate neighborhood, but kids made jokes (nevertheless) about asian kids, white kids, even black kids, even though I did not attend school with asian kids from kindergarten to 6th grade (N.O. has a large Vietnamese community). However, when I was in Junior High, I had the opportnity of making friends with a vietnamese girl who, as it turns out, went to the same university I did (Xavier of LA).

          People will love who they want and regardless of love, people have babies (and don’t get married, as is the norm these days). At some point, the world will be composed of multiracial people. My child who is black, asian, white, and native american, has the blood of all races. Stop tripping. Be responsible, be kind, practice the golden rule, and focus on good works. The rest of it is baloney if all you see is skin you entire life. You will miss out on friendships, expereinces, and business/networking connections, etc. All this technology and people are still stuck on stupid. Your preferences are yours, but putting down a whole race because of your preference and comfort level is just plain daft!

      • 张军

        indeed,it just reflect who is the weakest part of china economy and growth。。。chinese man

      • anon

        People bring up what is rare everywhere. There are actually plenty of posts about Asian women and white guys in China. They’re either angry Chinese men who think white men are taking their women and their women are betraying them or they’re Chinese women who think “gee, yellow-white babies are so adorable!” (I’m generalizing). White and black couples are rarer but that’s because it doesn’t quite affect them. We tend to focus on that which involves ourselves, hence the “Chinese + X” posts.

        I also find it incredibly ignorant to question why they are discussing such things when people from our own culture discuss it all the time. Seriously, have you been on the internet before? We make less of a deal about it publicly but that’s a product of the fact that interracial couples are both less rare where we are from, our societies are less homogeneous, and we have been socialized to believe it is politically incorrect to do so. The last part is thanks to the first two in fact. Everything is mutually dependent and reinforcing. So when the circumstances are different elsewhere, the results (norms) will be different too. Change the circumstances and the norms will follow.

        You say a human reproducing with another human, but others see black with yellow, just as yet others insist on differentiating between Americans and Chinese.

        Now, I too prefer that people become more blind to race, but I can understand why they aren’t, just as I can understand why a lot of people who comment on this site have such contempt for “the Chinese”. Note how your response to this is “why are THEY even discussing it” and not “WE”. If you really see it as simple as a human with another human, then why do you see them as separate and different from you?

        The day we start automatically chastising OURSELVES as a single collective of humans is the day we’ve truly gotten rid of discrimination and prejudice along racial, ethnic, or national lines.

        • Dr SUN

          Ever been to Savannah GA and seen the racial divide that exists on the streets to this day there Anon ?

          • moop

            dr. sun are you from savannah?

          • Dr SUN

            nope, but lived and worked there, and you ?

          • moop

            from charleston, sc. their sister city

    • Sponge Monkey

      “What a hideously racist article.”

      “the Chinese always kow-tow to the white race like abused pets”

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  • dim mak

    My second gf was black, feels good man
    Parents might disapprove if I married a black chick though

    >娶没关系,别把后代留中国就成.我不希望以后的中国人象拉美国家那样半黑不黄,智力下降.

    Serious concern, discuss

    • 张军

      that doesnt prove anything, a lot of fascist and nazist had relationships with the races they later try to exterminate. many fascist had a black girlfriend…

      you arent better than last century’s japs…

      • dim mak

        >implying i give a shit
        I say what i want, take your western political correctness and shove it

        • 张军

          LIKE I SAID U PIECE OF SCUM
          MY EMAIL IS ABOVE, CONTACT ME AND LETS DEAL WITH IT, BUT AS THE COWARD I THINK YOU ARE I WOULDNT GET ANY EMAIL FROM YOU….AHAHAHAH

          • dim mak

            HIDE BEHIND YOUR EMAIL SURE THING BRO
            U GONNA SEND ME HATE MAIL?
            U GONNA WRITE A BLOG ABOUT ME?
            STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO SHOW UP AT MY DOOR
            U SCARED?

          • 张军

            affraid i could track you REAL adress down?ahahhahahahaha

          • Carl Hungus

            This is great- if you two meet up to have a fight make sure you sell tickets.

          • Jones

            I bet you’re both in the same internet cafe.

          • dim mak

            So where you at bro? I dont’ see anyone sitting on the stairs when I come home

            Still scared?

      • Dr SUN

        or the Chinese men that still hate and want to exterminate the Japanese now.

        probably rape their women too, right, as pay back.

        Get over the past and move on in a positive way.

  • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

    Afri-nese? Chin-frican? Time to re-tool the slogans:

    “The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice can be maximized for best profit margin.”

    “Once you go black, your descendents go as well.”

    “Black power! Yellow passive-aggressiveness!”

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      Propanganda needs re-adjusting as well:

      “Crisis and opportunity are the same word in Chinese: it’s called Africa.”
      [those two words aren’t, BTW]

      “Good good study, day day neo-colonial-occupation.”

      “It doesn’t matter if it is a white cat nor a black cat that catches so long as it has abundant natural resources to exploit.”

  • efil4pcc

    Nothing new here. There’s quite a lot of mixed Chinese/black people in the West Indies. Hell, reggae was basically “invented” by a Chinese Jamaican guy named Bunny Lee.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      Don’t forget Phil Chen. While others are making fun of a Chinese guy speaking with a Jamaican accent, dude is laying down the phat beats and spreading the love, unlike all these comments.

  • GodsHammer

    As the product of a mixed race marriage I totally support these people in their choices. Their children will have the best of both worlds literally. As for the retards who are talking about ‘pure chinese-ness’ being a criteria for acceptance, Fuck your acceptance it is not required or even desired. We don’t need your certificate or proof of inbreeding to live our lives wherever we please.

  • Kyle

    Any Chinese person interested in Africans must know that the Africans are not a very smart race of people. Your children will end up being not very smart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOtsSj1chg#t=03m00s

    • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

      Chinese – small genitalia
      Africans – stupid.

      Children – Big genitals and very good at math! HOLY CRAP! They’re going to take over the world!!

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        Yup, we’ll have astronauts that need to wear bigger pants.

      • cb4242

        So that means, you have a huge pecker and dumb as snow?

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          Well, I didn’t specify snow pants, but in lieu of your missing the joke, the court will allow it.

    • cb4242

      And what are you? Seems like you’re something of an inbred making that kind of childish comment. Who bred you? What rock did you crawl out from?

    • cb4242

      And what gives you the fact based knowledge to make that kind of accusation, false and inaccurate though it is.

    • http://www.matthewsawtell.com Matthew A. Sawtell

      Sorry mate, stopped the tape after he said, “You’ll have to take my word for it.” Cripes, sounds like a fricken priest or politican – and not a scholar.

  • xmcx

    “To protect his privacy, I’ve hidden his face for the moment.” Reminds of me The Blackmail Show” :) “this for 1M kuai is to stop us from revealing the name of your lover in Bolton.”

  • Nathan

    What the fuck fauna… why is there a link to the stormfront forum attached to this article… fucking disgusting!

    • cb4242

      Only the dumbest, most ignorant, white racist would follow that crap!

    • http://www.matthewsawtell.com Matthew A. Sawtell

      What? I found it funnier than hell – given how fast they took to kill that thread. Given the amount of crap that is usually spewed by the 50CP, one would think they moonlight at that sight as well.

  • yanuo

    I think it is sad that Chinese netizens even have to discuss those things, because in a modern society such intercultural (being German I don’t really like to use the word ‘race’, it sounds Nazi for me, part of my education though…) relationships are nothing strange or bad. It is just normal and very positive in my opinion, because cultural exchange (which definitely happens when you are in such a relationship) has always been good for peacekeeping and better understanding of countries, cultures etc.

    But I also agree to the fact that this liberal and open-minded point of view needed a very long time to develop in western countries. Especially Germans have to be very careful when it comes to judging other people’s open-mindedness because our own country has been the most racist ass-hole state ever … And this so called open-mindedness claimed by western countries is not fully developed now, there is still a lot of racism in Europe and America, so western people shouldn’t be too proud of their home countries’ ‘open-mindedness’. At least I know and I also have experienced a lot of racism in Europe. Which is really sad, considering our bad experiences with racism over here.

    I hope that China will develop into a very open-minded, tolerant and intercultural society, because all the Chinese I have met have been extremly friendly and curious and interculturally open-minded. So I think with the right education or simply some time that is needed can turn Chinese society into an open-minded society that I wish all western nations would be. (But they aren’t actually ..)

    • cb4242

      Finally, a person that makes sense, logic, mature and rational and can see the world without rose-colored glasses.

  • Appalled@everything

    Wow. Just wow.

    Amazed that this story was worth posting in the first place.

    Less amazed with the racist comments.
    But only because I have seen this reaction a dozen times.

    So nice to hear racial epitaphs from 100 years ago being applied to what appear to be lovely, attractive young couples just following their hearts.

    Next week it will be:

    Chinese netizens shocked reactions when Native American man gives his Chinese wife a haircut.

    I can just imagine the comments then.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      Just you wait and see.

  • Nicki

    What I don’t understand is that if China thinks that can become a world power with OUT this happening then they are very retarded. Every nation that became great eventually became a mixed race civilization. Egypt was pre-dominately black and as power rose persians and europeans came through and mixed it up. Rome was mainly anglo-saxonish, and also became mixed as power rose. America went through the same thing. secondly no one says anything about the thousands of CHINESE MEN SENT BY THEIR GOVERNMENT TO WORK IN AFRICA. Seriously the Chinese are taking over West Africa. Men got needs and I know Chinese men have a penis. And Most African women are not ugly and are actually good natured. So they are going to fuck. Its happens.
    In the West Indies it is common.
    I have an entire 1/4th of my family who are Chinese
    And they are pretty awesome
    Im down for some more kimora lees, Chanel Imans (super model), and Tyson Beckfords (male model)

  • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

    These guys got……

    Song of the Article,

    “99 problems”
    -Hugo

    wumaodang

    • Alex

      But a bitch ain’t one!

    • slang xiaoping

      song of the article, “black and yellow”

      • darkandlovelykissedbythe

        Yes! Think I have some kind of mind meld going on with this web site. Start listening to a song like “Black and Yellow” and ding–go to China Smack and find a post about interracial marriage.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        Is the chorus sung by Nic Cage and goes a little something like:
        “Bees! Ah! Bees in my face!!” ?

        • darkandlovelykissedbythe

          “Yeah ah hus
          you know what it is
          Black and Yellow, black and Yellow
          Black and Yellow, black and Yellow
          (repeat)

          Terrior funny reference, lol
          The song the refrain is from by Wiz Khalifa

          Looks like Chinese guys are doin it big these days.

          • darkandlovelykissedbythe

            My bad. Meant to say Yeah ah huh, then The song is from Black and Yellow, by Wiz Khalifa.

  • Crunch

    Wow, and people call South Africans racist because of Apartheid. Quite frankly, this post of all these pictures shouldn’t be here because it’s nobody else’s business. Get over yourselves, fall in love with someone for who they are and not what they look like and stop creating more prejudice in a world where there’s already far too much.

    • Marsvin

      Dude a few random racist comments on a website and the Apartheid regime are not the same thing. Wow.

  • B-real

    Woow these women are beautiful.

    • Po Han

      In the world of monkeys you mean.

      • roger dodger

        TROLLL… you know if you dislike something that badly why waste you time reading this article or even commenting on it.. go wank on some ebony porn

      • cb4242

        Referring to your mother, I see.

      • B-real

        Monkeys are beautiful creatures too. But these women are comparably beautiful to their American counter parts.

  • Cleo

    Obamas!

    Wow, Ground Zero of South East Asia. I hope the foreign spouses are treated well and are happy.

  • Cleo

    Obamas!

    Wow, Ground Zero of South East Asia. I hope the foreign spouses are treated well and are happy. And I hope their descendants can privately keep their Chinese heritage like an unbroken piece of jade regardless of how assimilated they become into non Chinese cultures.

    There should be a private society of Black Chinese like our ancestral societies so ongoing generations can feel they have their own unique group.

    • dim mak

      I hope they assimilate fully into Chinese heritage if they wish to live in China

      • Carl Hungus

        Who the fuck wants to move to China? I mean really- if you were given a free opportunity to go live anywhere, China would not be most people’s choice.

        I bet they wish their parents were Americans!

      • Marsvin

        You mean like the Chinese do when they go abroad?

      • 张军

        google stormfront.net (or com)YOU WILL FIND A LOT OF FRIENDS LIKE YOU,

        YOU SCUM.

        • Nathan

          no need to google it… fauna posted a link at the bottom of this article…. maybe thats where faunas loyalties are.

      • dim mak

        MMMM SWEET ROUNDEYE TEARS

        China assimilates everything it touches, it can only grow larger

        U SCURRED?

      • Jones

        Haha I am just scrolling down this page looking for you two. You guys…seriously…it’s killing me. haha

  • Kyle

    A Shandong migrant worker who married a wife in Africa and gave birth to a daughter. His African wife passing away from illness when the daughter was two-years-old and he raises his daughter alone planting vegetables in the suburbs of Nairobi being bother father and mother to her. Not easy!
    What a great Shandong man! A great Chinese man!

    http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/chinese-man-with-black-african-women-13-560×746.jpg
    ————————————————————-

    The crazy fool. It’s not his kid. Isn’t that obvious. Blacks are not known for being very faithful.

    • cb4242

      John Edwards, Mark Folly, Elliot Spitzer, Anthony Wiener, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Mark Sanford, Bill Clinton, not exactly, the blackest of blacks….

    • Just A Woman

      David Borenaz, Charlie Sheen, Hugh Hefner…I mean cmon guy really? Stop trying to put others down to make yourself look better its pathetic and childish.

  • Leo

    Wait a minute…you’re telling me a human being is IN A RELATIONSHIP with a human being????

    HOLF SHIT HOLD THE FRONT PAGE THAT IS INCREDIBLE!!!

  • Biracial

    Some of your comments are quite suprising… I can’t see the black woman when I put off the light…I have the impression black people don’t wash themselves and that is why they’re back? The truth is that ignorance kills you all… If you decide not to be open minded and travel around the world, it’s your problem. Many biracial people are very happy with their origins. I’m not against you having your pure blood…but what really defines a person after all the culture, language, background is their heart. Leave people to marry who they LOVE and not what colour they are. GOOD LUCK!

  • Master Huang

    china has great surplus of men, what choice do they have. . . .complain and be lonely, or marry and be happy?

    or be gay

  • Jess

    “How scary it must be when having sex in the dark at night~~
    Just a shining mouth of teeth, unable to see anything else, must careful not to panic.”

    Is this a racist comment?!

    • Jax

      The rule of thumb with racist comments is that they are ok if it’s more funny than it is racist. In that case, it’s more than funny.

    • cb4242

      I dunno. Kinda like having sex with Whites or with Asians during the day, just a beacon and stream of light, can’t see anything, have to put on the Sunglasses, have to be careful not develop cataracts.

      Is this a racist comment?

    • anon

      I’d say that’s racist, and it wasn’t really funny as it is offensively cliche. However, as you can see, others find it funny.

    • GodsHammer

      Hahahaha… it’s kind of funny because it just reflects how the writer is a boring lay (lights off and missionary position).

  • http://www.tx123.org Justin

    Love is beautiful no matter the color.

  • roger dodger

    jeez black women really have lowered their standards… oh well

  • roger dodger

    I think the author has either has an obsession with black women

  • http://www.tx123.org Justin

    WTF? There is a link at the bottom of this article to Stormfront. Am I the only one who sees it? It’s underneath the comments, under the “Continuing the Discussion” heading. For those who don’t know, that site is a US Neo-Nazi discussion board.

    • cb4242

      Who cares. I mean, seriously, Stormfront has about 2 members. They are a fringe organization, with no clout or merit. NOT to be taken seriously. All they do is rant like whiny, spoiled children and want something that they will never get or have, they live in a totally delusional world of make believe. They should be ignored, shunned and tossed into the ocean the same way Bin Laden was.

      • Nathan

        Well I care a little bit… I mean it would change my opinion of this website and probably prevent me from ever returning if I knew it in some way endorsed that kind of nonsense. It also seems a bit hypocritical that the website should release an announcement asking for support in an animal rights movement and a week later post a link to an anti civil rights movement.

        A quick explanation from Fauna might clear this issue up.

        [Note from Fauna: Please see trackbacks. We do not support racism but we are not afraid to show racism. This is why we do not refuse to translate racist Chinese comments.]

        • 张军

          IT MIGHT ME MY FAULT, I GUESS AS SOON AS U POST A WEBSITE IT APPEARS AT THE BOTTOM….LOL still waiting anyway fauna explanations。。

        • anon

          If you read her link, it means that the link appears because the other website linked to this post and not that Fauna linked to them. If you see similar links from old posts, you’ll notice they all go to blogs or websites that linked to that specific chinaSMACK post. It’s like an automated reciprocal link.

          It also sounds like Fauna could manually remove it but she won’t because she doesn’t specifically censor racism. She has a thing about letting people show and see how they’re really no different from each other. Admirable, if lost on the majority.

    • Carl Hungus

      I read stormfront occasionally for yuks, to be honest.

      The link from there to this site is probably what brought that ‘kyle’ person here with his mad shit.

      Some of the mad self pitying shit on their site is hilarious: There’s an awful lot of unemployed people moaning about how all the chinese and mexicans are taking their jobs. I’ve never lost a job in my life cos I bothered my arse to spend time years ago getting a valued skill set, teaching accreditations and a decent education. it wasn’t easy and i ran up a good few debts at the time but it means I can always find wo- hey, why am i discussing this here?

      Anyway: Stormfront: They have a forum ‘for liberals who want to argue with white supremacists’-

      go on anon- you know you want to;)

  • Capt. WED

    some of these comments are pretty ignorant, stopped reading.

    I’m moving to Africa…

  • John Wayne

    This is disgusting. Nasty. There was a very good reason that we use to hang this garbage by their necks from trees here in America. Then the liberals took over and see what happened know. Look at America’s ghettos. Torn up cities thanks to the blacks. Warning to China; DO NOT let this happen to your beautiful country. These animals will come in gracefully and then turn on you and destroy your country. You have been warned.

    • darkandlovelykissedbythe

      There’s a lot of torn up cities thanks to the mismanagement of corporations. Does Freddy Mac, and Fanny Mae mean anything to you? Many whites in the U.S. are unemployed, underemployed, homeless, living on the streets, living in communities where everyone is on welfare, living in ghetto’s, imprisoned, alcoholic, on drugs, and the list goes on. Detroit tanked because the bottom fell out of the car industry,
      Here’s the real deal. White supremacy was handed to people like you on a silver platter by elites in American society. While you blindly follow a racist notion of superiority, the elites, the five percent who control the banking industry in the west, view someone like you as inferior trailer trash who they can use effectively. Blacks weren’t let into America, they were stolen from Africa, just as many whites weren’t let into America, but places like Newgate prison was emptied out, and they ended up in either Australia, or America. During the 1800s many who could not make it elsewhere came to America.
      Every time Black Americans began to raise themselves up and try to make it, racist whites would start saying those “uppity niggers” think they are better than us, and start killing them and burning down the communities they had built up. If Black people acquired land, it was literally taken from them.
      Here’s the catch John Wayne, if you start to realize that you have a lot in common with other people of other races, start questioning why certain things are happening in American society, then you are less likely to be blind sided and controlled by the wealthy elites who are really running things in the west. You are being used as a tool of oppression, you have nowhere else to turn, and the only way you can feel good about yourself is by using white supremacy as a crutch. The real fear at the very core of your being is that of anniliation, anniliation of self, genetic anniliation, and an inability to cope with feelings of inferiority, inadequacy, and inadequacy centered around your fragile sexuality, hence, the need to identify with John Wayne. John Wayne was just a man who made movies.
      And don’t forget John Wayne, many whites who have lived in America for centuries, have been oppressed, and abused, and treated like dogs. Coal miners, factory workers, immigrants living in slums during the 1800s, and today I see good people who just happen to be white suffering, going without, losing homes, and being treated like dogs, not by black people, but by a system that is badly in need of repair, but because people like you are blind, you would never think of uniting with people of other races who are faced with similar circumstances and advocating for change. So all I can encourage you to do is close your eyes, and pretend like you are in a western, and ride off into the sunset.

      • Kyle

        Although I don’t agree with the hate and violence that John Wayne expressed, I have to say that he is right. If China lets in the blacks, they will end up destroying China like the way they destroyed many American cities. This is a train wreck waiting to happen.

        There are those of us here in America who like Asian people in general, who think positively of Asian countries and don’t want to see it destroyed. It is good to be tolerant and open-minded, but just don’t be dumb and naive.

        Like John Wayne said. You have been warned.

        • darkandlovelykissedbythe

          I completely disagree with both of you. In the statement I made above, given the sentiment John Wayne expressed… I have warned both of you. This is almost a repeat of what happened in Nazi Germany. When will people ever learn from history and stop to think. I revealed the truth to you both. Take what you like and leave the rest. I do feel really sorry for John Wayne, because he is sick. To post a comment like that is just plain sick and disgusting. America is dealing with a crumbling infrastructure, and an economy in need of repair. China is dealing with very rapid change, and a gaping chasm between rich and poor. Like Nazi Germany, when faced with ecomomic woes, and a crumbling infrastructure people tend to look for a scape goat, and invariably a targeted group is used as the reason why things are as they are. Again, I see the problem as a universal one in America, and I see the end result. I also see fear based on something other than blacks supposedly being inferior, and responsible for the destruction of America.

          The alarming thing about the post John Wayne made is that I think he is a psychopath who would possibly attempt to harm anyone he felt threatened by, and he has an inferiority complex, something happened to him that he is unable to deal with, and he is projecting it onto blacks. In the deepest recesses of my heart, I feel so much pain and anguish for him, and only wish him the best. I hope he will be healed from whatever is motivating him to behave in this manner. Being cruel, sadistic, racist, that’s easy. To transcend the self and go beyond that takes work. I would even dare to say that a lack of spirituality is partly why so many people are starting to really suffer. Without some kind of moral compass to help guide day to day behavior, post like John Wayne’s, a man strangling a child who bumps into him, will start to happen.

          America was founded on violence, genocide, and vigilante justice. White supremacy was introduced to America via the slave codes in order for the elite class to maintain power and control. Do you really think the elites care about John Wayne, or you? They don’t and they continue to manipulate and control the masses. People like you and John Wayne fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Black Americans have fought and died in every single war that America has had so that people like you and John Wayne could have the freedom to post comments like this, they have helped to build America, and in many cases were there before some of your ancestors came. They did not come to America willingly, they were brutalized and enslaved, but willing did all they could to contribute to American society, only to be terrorized, brutalized, imprisoned, and killed by sick whites who are unable or unwilling to move beyond a doctrine of sadistic, violent behavior. Whites who stood up and denounced this often paid dearly for it.

          Kyle please don’t confuse what I am saying to you with what so many have before, that somehow Black Americans want to be white, I think this is pretty predominant in the thinking of people like you and John Wayne, but it is erroneous. The founding fathers stated that all men are created equal, and deserved freedom, and the pursuit of life, liberity, and happiness. You or John Wayne cannot determine what China will decide to do. Attempting to import white racism into China in order to bolster a faltering sense of superiority is not going to work either. Kyle wake up before it is too late! China is a pretty powerful nation, and China will not allow anyone to destroy it. Not you, not me, not John Wayne, nor anyone else. So you can relax. Let China handle China, and America deal with it’s problems.

          There is a God who is greater than I am that will not allow me to hate you or John Wayne, and my heart just really aches for the guy. That same God will only allow me to bless you, and speak a blessing over you and into your life. That same God has his hand on Africa, and on black Americans, and he will determine the future of Blacks people. ” Let the chips fall where they may.”

          http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/11/15/importing-white-racism-into-china/

          • Rosemon

            John Wayne and Kyle…you both just got PWNED!!!

        • cb4242

          So Kyle how did Blacks destroy America, where did it come from, what was the origin? Blacks just decided out of sheer good will to destroy many cities? Since Blacks were forced and brought over as slaves, they just decided to go on a mission and ruin America? Based on what? Please elaborate, so that I can really show everyone what a complete fool and a charlatan you really are!

        • Meh

          What a stupid post. I hope you aren’t serious. You do understands that majority of the blacks in America were brought there against their will and not simply let in? I also like how you put the blame just on blacks ” destroyed many American cities.”

        • Foreign Devil

          Kyle USA did not “let the blacks in”. . . they dragged them in kicking and screaming and in chains in order to work on their plantations.

        • LaughingCow

          Blacks weren’t exactly “let into” America. They were stolen from Africa as slaves.

          They didn’t destroy their own cities spontaneously, either. I imagine you haven’t been to very many rich black neighborhoods in the south.

          Something tells me that you and John are not very educated. Ironic.

      • cb4242

        Eloquently put. 100% agreed! You took the words out of my mouth.

        Kyle….where is your rebuttal?????

    • cb4242

      Then they should really deny Whites entry too.

      Obviously, you have some jealous tendency towards Blacks and that’s too bad. But when you talk about Liberals, don’t you mean the same Liberals that are NOW destroying America. It was Liberals that hung Blacks by their necks, ironically, it was the Conservatives that paved the way for NAACP and emancipated the slaves, originally gave them equal rights, but the Liberals were the people that changed everything for Blacks. so like Kyle (sadly both of you are so lost and ignorant, you have no idea or knowledge of history, just whiny rhetoric) you are living in a fantasy world.

      • donscarletti

        If you think the 19th century Republican party which went to war for social reforms and to address injustices were somehow “conservative” and the Democrat party pressing to allow slavery to continue for thousands of Americans was “liberal” then you are seriously misunderstanding both concepts.

        “Conservative” and “liberal” are not defined in terms of your Democrat and Republican parties, they are ideologies that both parties have held to at points in their history and both exhibit traits of both today. Republicans today for instance show liberalism through promoting less government economic control (economic/classical liberalism) than the Democrats who favor a more conservative, regulated approach.

  • Canadian_Skies

    Hilarious comments! None of the comments that oppose interracial mixing (above) mentioned how Chinese people’s lineage traces back to dozens of tribes of culture and varying physical differences. So evidently blind false pride.

  • fireworks

    Due to the unequal birth ratio of males and females. I can see this as one way for Chinese men to get hitched. 40 million Chinese men would not find a wife in the own homeland.

    I reckon the Northern Chinese will populate the sparsely populated Far East Russia. The Dragon people is sowing their seeds far and wide.

  • Aituo

    Wow, there is too much racism and bigotry in China. My best friend in England has Chinese parents but if I were to ask him where he is from, he would say “I’m from England, I’m English.”
    I have a better idea for China. Close all borders and kick out all the foreigners and only deal internally. That is working wonders for North Korea!

    • Kyle

      It seems that you don’t know much about North Korea. Their problem is their crazy leaders, not the fact that they have closed their borders.

      • Patrick

        They did it trying to keep out the black people. Look how evolved they are. They don’t have to worry about their cities going to hell right? I think if you can recognize they are crazy you should be able to recognize that your previous statements were outlandishly stupid earlier.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com Drew

    Wow!!!!!!

    What Racism. Love does not have borders. I grew up in England with Chinese, Indian and Africans amongst my best friends. They were english. I have lived in China for 12 years. I have a Chinese wife and I am very ashamed of the comments posted here. The people who say these things should be brought to justice. You have no right in this world to speak in this way. You are disgusting and most of all a complete and sad reflection of a part of our great country (China). Your ancestors would be terribly embarrassed in their long rest of you. We are one world. Please take the time to reflect on my message.

    • Kyle

      Drew, you assume that you are in the right and that the “racists” are in the wrong. Think again. I am American. I grew up in America. I used to think the way you did, until I found out the truth. The truth is that blacks will destroy areas of China like the way they destroyed cities here in America.

      I admire China and other Asian countries as well as the Asians people. That is why I am trying to warn them about the dangers.

      • cb4242

        You mean, the way Whites have destroyed America. How California is being run into the ground by the Liberal establishment and most of the people in charge are White.
        You can make that same argument or how Whites colonized and decimated and destroyed other nations of color historically. Do you really want to go there?
        You are making irrational, illogical arguments now. You are talking to a fellow American, so if you think you know America, by that ludicrous comment, then you don’t know anything about America.
        Grow up or shut the hell up.

        • 张军

          facts are that the great United States, the great exporter of democracy worldwide and globalization (as long as the outher contries remains their slave) is an illegal country, builded by blacks and chinese coolies on the bones of locals, exterminated (something today we”ll call it genocide) while those europeans immigrant losers where there playing cowboys, scratchig their asses (besides becoming fatter and fatter) and killing their black slaves who tried to react to all this crap.

      • Crystal

        Kyle you’re a good example of why it’s important that blacks(and other minorities) travel and live abroad. We can’t rely on white people to speak on our behalf and say all nice things because the truth is many of you are racist. It takes so much energy to be angry and have hatred towards another group of people solely on their skin color. Here you have the opportunity to live abroad, travel and meet so many people and you’re more concerned about warning them about the dangers…?

  • dim mak

    No big deal, China just isn’t used to foreigners. Most comments on Tianya support love no matter what race.

    Commenters here like 张军 are the real racists, the first word out of his mouth is bigotry against Chinese men. Search his posts. Scum like him should be rightfully run out of China.

    • 张军

      anyway just to make it clear:
      not all chinese man, but many, and people like you are actually the shame of a 5000 years country which has influenced so much Japan and Korea and the rest of the world with its culture and which had the first real multi-cultural society in the world, just 1300 yr ago…

      shame on you that you still calling urself chinese.

      • dim mak

        And what exactly is “people like me”? I don’t even care about race until I run into retards who think they can’t be racist because they’re not from around here. See: YOU.

        You run your racist mouth about Chinese men, I respond, and you try to backpedal? TOO LATE.

        You live in China try saying those things in public. Think you can judge Chinese just because you’re foreign? Think you can’t be racist just because your skin’s a different color? No one pities racist foreign trash when they get curbstomped and sent crawling back to their country. So be my guest, go tell Chinese guys they’re cowards and sexists, see what happens.

        • 张军

          little prick, dont try to hide ur self into history issues just to justify or minimize ur racism.

          patetic prick, if u want me uknow where to find me, giving fake adress doesnt help, clown!

          • dim mak

            Still hiding, racist trash? Too bad your loud mouthed bigotry is still here for everyone to see huh?

            So, I’m waiting for you to go say those things in public, or are you too scared?

    • Jones

      Hahaha show some humility, guys. Maaaan

  • 山炮 ShanPao

    A friend just introduced me to this site… wow there are some ignorant foreigners in China… I already knew there were many ignorant Chinese people, but I had thought most foreigners (give or take a few idiots) would be a bit more broad minded given the fact that they live in another country. I guess not!

    • 张军

      napoleon???wtf?!?

      • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

        You are an “E-thug…..cause talking shit in person is dangerous”

        Song of the Article,

        Dedicated to “comrade zhang jun”

        Black Magic Woman
        -Santana

        you can dance the night away
        talk to the hand!
        give no reply!

        -50c

        I love you!

        peace brother!

    • deputamadre

      You do know that the internet is global, right? People who post comments here aren’t necessarily living in China.

    • Alexander

      No, you misunderstand user ShanPao with the pic of Washington, this Website is a translation of Chinese News and Chinese Websites….. so the ignorant comments you saw at first were not from foreigners, but from Chinese people who posted on a Chinese website. This website just translates those comments into English. So you misunderstand who the real authors are……

      • 山炮 ShanPao

        Yeah I got that bit… I hear those comments all the time in China, I guess I did make a foolish assumption that most of the foreign users on this site would be ex-pats. cheers for the heads up anyway.

        Btw, that’s Napoleon in my avatar.

        • 张军

          why not Hitler, Stalin, the Pope or Schwarzenegger?

          Sieg heil to Napoleon!

          • 山炮 ShanPao

            I dont even know why I just said Napoleon, probably because you commented that before… of course it is Horatio Nelson.

  • Greg Jackson

    Comments left here show some Chinese people’s “true colors”. Narrow-minded, dark age thinkers who are hundreds of years behind the civilised awareness of the people about whom they comment.

    Purity of race is actually, and clearly, an evolutionary barrier. It will be overcome in China (if it ever actually existed).

    I hope when the Chinese education system rises to the standard of those developed nations with their diverse genetic make ups they will acknowledge that it was off the back of a multicultural education and only truly began once China opened its borders to foreign investment and influence.

  • GodsHammer

    No wonder that some Chinese have ‘racist’ comments to make. They have been ‘infected’ by some of these foreigners like Kyle and JohnWayne. Pathetic showing guys. Please stfu.

    • Kyle

      It’s not foreigners like me who “infect” the Chinese with “racism”. It is things like these…..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz-AaVPWL-g

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8rVx8IBGk

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Zi7V9mtic

      There are many, many more incidents, but I won’t list them all. I’m sure you get the message. You can bet that this will start happening in China as more blacks show up there. Of course I haven’t mentioned anything of the really bad stuff like blacks committing rapes, murders, etc.

      Do the Chinese people need blacks in their country to commit crimes, or are they better off without the blacks? To me, the question is obvious.

      • Keez

        All black people aren’t like that and your another one who likes to judging a book by its cover and all racist do all these so call things you say black people do….

      • cb4242

        Ok, so now you are quoting “Uncooked Vanilla?” Shame on you. So getting a one-sided viewpoint of the facts justifies you to make a childish statement like that. This is why you are a nut. First of all, you forgot to mention the White on Asian attacks that occur, but want to solely focus on the Black on Asian attacks.
        Also, you make it seem like China will be overrun and taken over by Blacks, not true, but the other way around in Africa is a totally different story.
        i can equally list a ton of bad, really bad things Whites and Asians have done and what does it solve, NOTHING! People like you, the classic White ignorant, spineless idiot, have no idea or any knowledge of Blacks, but just the average stereotypical crap that comes out of your mouths. Many Asian women like Black men and there is nothing, absolutely nothing you can do about it. Get off your jealousy high horse and get used to it because they are NOT going anywhere, which is a great thing. If you don’t like it deal with it or just wallow in sheer bitterness, the choice is yours.

        Get out more often, fresh air might give you some hint of actual reality.

        • GodsHammer

          But he and his ilk are not frightened of asians… that is the only difference. Gut reaction is a bitch. I discovered long ago that most ‘career racists/haters’ are actually just cowards who formulate an excuse for their irrational feelings.
          I’m here to say…”It’s ok to have misgivings my friend. Just don’t go spreading your ill informed and biased point of view to those that have no experience.” In other words STFU.

      • Meh

        It’s people like Kyle who shouldn’t belong in any country. People like this continue to spread hate.

        • cb4242

          I agree. Almost feel sorry for his ignorance, almost…

      • RoflingCow

        Even if those links were somehow proof of a wide spread problem which I am certain doesn’t exist, do you really think that black people outgoing enough to migrate to China would just start beating up locals and destroying their cities?

        And you’re the same clown that posted links to IQ disparities between ethnicities, right? : D

      • Sodia(SexyBlackWoman)

        @Kyle are you retarded. Have you look at the state of China today and there are almost no blacks there…China is the WORSE!!!!! YOU the CHINESE people have destroyed your own country!!! You CHINESE people are selling your kids for sex to pay your bills so now you are concerned about someone rapping them but yet YOU are selling them. On this website it list so many senseless murders that Chinese has affected on other Chinese people. I can post so many YouTube video of how bad China is that is why so many are fleeing China dumb ass and you worried about blacks…please we live better than the average Chinese person and have more than the average Chinese person so why in the hell would any black person in their right mind live America or Europe to go live in busted, broke, sexually corrupt CHINA…ARE YOU SICK!!!! Tell me why would you even think that??? Name one reason why you think blacks would want to begin living in China when Chinese people are literally dying to get out?? Please explain..I’m waiting…

        • Dr SUN

          UMMM…. can’t say I am overly impressed with with how you soul sisters are managing and looking after your own in the Broncs, Harlem Oakland,South central, etc…etc unless we are talking how many tricks a day they (your sisters) need to do for dim bags of crack that you want or need.
          Don’t throw stones while you are standing in your own green house, it will hurt you. People will just throw the same kind of crap stones back.

        • moop

          Sodia, i’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but this post is over a year old, i dont think you are going to get the feedback you are looking for. some of those users dont even post on here anymore

  • anon

    Fuck me those original comments by Chinese people are really racist.

    • Meh

      I know right?

      ”Black people always make me feel like they haven’t fully washed themselves, I can’t accept/handle someone who is dark all over their body.”

      Lol China.

      • Keez

        Fuck you and I can’t accept racist ass bitches like you…. drop dead!!!!!!

        • Meh

          You didn’t read the comments in the article did you?

      • cb4242

        Funny, I didn’t know you like sticking your nose in peoples asses constantly. Hey, “News Flash”: Take your nose out, stop kissing and licking people then you might not have that taste in your mouth, that’s the best advice I can give you.
        As for handling someone else that’s dark, you might as well kill yourself because 75% of the human race is dark complected. Sucks, don’t it?

        • Meh

          You didn’t read the comments in the article either did you?

      • Ray

        You guys realises that Meh was quoting someone elses comment and saying how idiotic is was right? If you realised then ignore this comment and don’t start calling me a racist please.

  • Keez

    Stop judging people people of there race it does not matter of the skin color I mean I’m black and I go with a guy that is white and black and I truly love him no matter what…. so don’t just go judging a book by its cover….

    • Meh

      I am with you on that 100% but sadly the cover is the first thing people see and the first thing people use to judge others 90% of the time it seems. =(

  • Selly

    I can’t wait to go to Chengdu next year for my year abroad. :D I have seen just as racist comments from the West so I am not really surprised. Sa’shame.

  • Megumi Terui

    If anybody knows where to find “御野”, let me know so I can go and kick his/her ass!!!

  • Justin

    Most of these African girls look pretty hot. 加油 Jungle Fever Brothers.

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