Migrant Workers Children Spend Childhood Scavenging Landfill

A little Chinese girl helping her parents scavenge a Guiyang garbage dump for salvage and recyclables.

From NetEase:

Guiyang migrant worker children spend their days scavenging garbage dumps

Guiyang Gaoyan Garbage Landfill, is Guizhou province’s first and largest municipal landfill. Around it live over a hundred migrant worker households who scavenge the garbage for a living. It is on these garbage heaps that the children of these migrant workers spend their childhood.

A three-member family that lives here, who spend 8 hours every day scavenging from the garbage, their income only 700-800 yuan every month, only enough to maintain the lowest standard of living. So the children here, as small as six to seven years old, all spend their time outside of school following the adults in scavenging on the garbage piles for “treasures” that can be recycled or sold, to reduce the financial burden in their households.

A little Chinese child scavenging for salvage and recyclables in a Guiyang landfill.

During the school year, they will work at the garbage dump from when school is out until eight or nine at night before going home. During the summer break, the older children will enter the garbage dump at dusk and work until the next morning before leaving. Photo is of a child scavenging in the garbage dump.

Migrant worker children living around a garbage dump in Guiyang, China.

In order to save on rent, the families here often live four to five people in a 10-something square meter house, with the empty space being piled full of garbage. Without any disinfectant measures and long-term exposure to garbage has greatly increased the chances of the children suffering infectious diseases. Photo is of several children sitting on a salvaged sofa.

A small Chinese girl doing her homework beside a pile of garbage bags in Guiyang.

These children live on the city’s fringes, in bad living conditions, with extremely poor family situations, usually entering school very late, some only entering school at 11-12 years of age, while others don’t even have the opportunity to go to school at all. Due to the lack of education and life skills, of these children who spend their childhood years growing up in the garbage dump, some have already dropped out of school while others have already “taken the occupation of their fathers”. Photo is of a small girl doing her homework beside a pile of garbage bags near the entrance to her home.

A baby on the back of her mother, a Chinese migrant worker who scavenges for recyclables and anything that can be sold from a landfill in Guiyang.

A child sleeping on her mother’s back. Due to not having anyone to take care of them, some children spend their days on their mothers’ backs in the garbage dump from the moment they are born.

A mother and three children on their way to scavenge for recyclables and anything that can be sold for money from Guiyang's largest garbage dump.

Photo is of a mother taking three children to go scavenge garbage.

Guiyang migrant worker children playing outside their home next to a garbage landfill.

Photo is of several children playing in front of her home.

Comments from NetEase:

圣o仙芙 [网易云南省昆明市网友]:

Seeing these children’s disappointing lives, I don’t believe in anything anymore, I just want to swear/curse! I just want to swear/curse!!!

你那里还疼吗 [网易江西省南昌市网友]:

Their homes are really dirty, their clothes are really dirty, their entire bodies are dirty, but their hearts are very pure. May you grow up happily.

巾国屁民 [网易广东省网友]:

On this magical land, the lives of the rabble are so harsh!

yueraa [网易辽宁省沈阳市网友]:

These children may spend their entire lives without being able to ride the high-speed trains, drink Maotai, nor will they be able to take out money to donate to the Red Cross Society. Their hearts are indeed pure, not feeling that what happens to them is unfair, quietly accepting their reality, while us bystanders can only express indignation towards the unfairness in this society. This kind of news should be reported more, so that everyone will pay more attention to these children.
Those in support please ding this more.

网易河南省许昌市网友:

Even though it is a little extreme, to have such harsh lives and wanting this many children only to have them suffer after being born is also a kind of irresponsibility [by the parents]!

网易广东省网友:

If the child doing her homework can be found, I’m willing to financially aid her education and living expenses…

wangyinqing [网易陕西省咸阳市网友]:

If these photos weren’t in color, people would think they were pre-Liberation scenes!

网易黑龙江省牡丹江市网友:

Take a portion of the money invested in the Universiade to go help them. It will improve things a lot, at least stop them from dropping out of school… Children are hope…

真成功 [网易广东省河源市网友]:

The Shenzhen Universiade cost 200 billion yuan.

royxiaowei [网易山东省临沂市网友]:

When I was small, my older sister, younger brother, and I also scavenged garbage for money during winter and summer breaks… That was 20 years ago… To see that children are still spending their childhood in such a manner is truly heartbreaking…

网易上海市网友 [向小孩学习]:

When it comes to the people’s lives, they [the government] says there is no money. When it comes to face, hundreds of billions can be spent. All without blinking.

ghjchengjian [网易陕西省汉中市汉台区网友]:

With this kind of news, the wumao will have selective blindness.

xxnjy88 [网易河南省网友]:

Just one Universiade lunchbox is enough for the poor little girl to live for a month!!!!!

网易山东省烟台市网友:

Other than their skin [color] being different from children in Uganda, their experiences are the same. Stop using sympathetic words to go describe African refugees, take a look at our own children.

wlf1272146476 [网易安徽省合肥市网友]:

When I see how we still have so many children who can’t afford to go to school or enough to eat and yet we’re giving Africa several billion or several hundred billion to hold the Universiade, I can’t help but say that I am indeed an American running dog.

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  • rollin wit 9′s

    Seek and thou shall find, but no kid should have to live like that.

    • http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1914680181 Elijah

      Actually I’m amazed at how many of the commenters made the logical leap between spending on poverty and spending on “face”.

      Is it the path to thoughtcrime or actual thoughtcrime?

      Jesus, that breaks my heart to see kids with no chance forced to push through and try to survive.

      Song of the Article:

      “Land of Confusion”

      by Genesis (or remake by Disturbed depending on your tastes.)

      My 10 CENTS go to the kids.

      • http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1914680181 Elijah

        There’s too many men
        Too many people
        Making too many problems
        And not much love to go round
        Can’t you see
        This is a land of confusion.

        http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/genesis/landofconfusion.html

        Although Disturbed brings me to another possibility:

        Prayer

        by Disturbed

  • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

    Same question as the “Uncle Bottle” story last week:

    “Do you allow these kids to board a bus with their ‘valuables’?”

    • monyxie

      This question makes no sense cuz we have no right to say allow or not.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        Weird… you may feel that, but others have no trouble speaking out. eg. bus driver and mr purse on the “Uncle Bottle” story

        Enjoy your silence! It is valuable! It is made of gold, you know!

    • Tengu

      We have no right to say or not ’tis true, but you can grow a pair and have a damned opinion…

      These kids should be allowed to ride anywhere…free.

      I still say “recyclables” e.g. plastic, copper wire are not garbage and “Mr. Bottle” was performing a job.

      I saw a city worker sitting down stripping the excess bark off the Catalpa Trees in front of the Raffles Mall in Shanghai. Waste of time. waste of money, busy work that meant nothing.

      “Mr. Bottle ” was performing a public service by removing waste from the streets until “The Evil Dr. Murse” attacked him and took umbrage with his existence.

  • Interested

    No child policy instead of one child policy should apply to these people.

    • Tengu

      “…these people…” what a heart of gold you have.

      It’s your fellow man or are you totally aloof and removed from society as-a-hole?

      • 平凡人

        Agree, this guy is a prig. Only rich people can have Children?

        • Just John

          Sure, we should implement a right to breed law.

          • Tengu

            Everyone in favor of “Interested ” not getting any pussy for life say “Aye.”

    • vic2u

      The laws have to change here, the kids should have the rights to sue their shithead parents for bringing them into this kind of world and forcing them to live like this.

      In many countries like Afrika and Brazil kids are chattels traded for food and goods or sold to criminals dirt cheap.

      Human garbage making misery for many more have to stop, it needs to start with the end to those crude parents live styles.

    • Interested

      法官的儿子是法官,强盗的儿子是强盗。 Only way for China move out of third world country is limiting underclass population from growing. People lack intelligence, ambition and ability will remain so. You will never turn a monkey into human being. You will have hard time converting dump people into bright.

      May be quick solution is dividing up China like Singapore seperated from Malaysia. Let those beggars and you guys who disagree with me to form a country. People with higher capacity to form another country. Then your losers can not blame others for your own genetic defects.

      • ShanghaiBC

        ”May be quick solution is dividing up China like Singapore seperated from Malaysia. Let those beggars and you guys who disagree with me to form a country. People with higher capacity to form another country. Then your losers can not blame others for your own genetic defects.”

        …Adolf?

        • Just John

          You are absolutely right.

          Instead of just dividing them up and creating two separate countries, which would just waste precious landmass, we should instead create the oven, a Chinese equivalent of the gas chamber.

          Instead of just gassing them to death, it would actually cook them to death. In goes genetically defective human beings, out comes hamburgers.

          It could solve stupidity and hunger at the same time.
          I volunteer Interested to be the first through the system.

          • Tengu

            Dipshit’s son is a dipshit!

            Two options:???????
            Zyklon-B
            OR
            “Soylent Green is People.”

            Shirley we can think up a third…what a Richard!

            “You will never turn a monkey into human being.” – Moment my low forehead friend, I believe this happened a while ago….Dr. Leakey, Olduvai Gorge, Australopithecus, Zinjanthropus!!!!

            “converting dump people into bright.” – Please provide formulaic explanation for your reversion from what we can assume was a semi-bright into a dump; we will reverse engineer. (Estimated turn around time – 6 Hours!)

            “People with higher capacity to form another country.” – So you’ll be in the “Land of Genetic Defectives”, you can be President, Prime Minister…take your pick.

            In the kingdom of the blind the man with one eye is king!

          • Just John

            Just to address the “how to turn the semi-bright into dump people”, it’s rather easy to do in 6 hours.

            Have them listen to Mr. Interested found above. It is know to cause seizures, chest pain, shortness of breath, gradual loss of will to live, and results in the chewing off of the hand to escape the chair you are handcuffed to. If the full 6 hours of exposure is reached, 99% of subject will either be reduced to a zombielike state, repeatedly uttering the word “brains”, or will find themselves sexually attracted to leafy vegetables. Either way, intelligent life is not found after the treatment.

          • Tengu

            It’s like being subjected to Vogon Poetry, but in this instance the subject already appears to be in a zombie-like, semi-vegetative state prior to the treatment?

            I padded it to 6 hours so we could have lunch!

        • Tengu

          Might have been Goering, Goebbels or Himmler.

          “Uninteresting” has posters of them on his wall – like other children have Beckham – and over his bed, stars up at them lovingly every night as he waxes his tiny finless dolphin with dreams of a “Master Race” dance in his teeny head!

          • carlstar

            Sounds almost like double standards. Blame the parents for bringing kids in but do nothing about it. Seems the hitler comparisons have been bought in, I can add to it by saying , that all who are against the idea of ‘interested’ have about as many solutions as the league of nations had at the same timein the 30s.
            this is a failiure of the state, if they want people to have children then they have to support them. I see more than one kid for the parents too, so again a failed policy where country people are allowed two kids that they can’t support while the rich can only have one. Is it fair that the rich are the ones actually being denied while the poor are not? Does that fit into your bleeding hearts mentality?

          • Just John

            Just curious, when did we say we support the one child policy?

            I think rich should also have the right to breed like rabbits.

            Heil Interested!

          • Tengu

            Godwin’s Law:
            “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

          • Tengu

            I think your thinking is flawed to some extent, but I could be wrong, feel free….I know you will.

            The “Rich” can have another child , they simply pay a fine. I know several families with more than one child.

            I believe the concept and rationale for not enforcing the “One Child Policy” in rural areas is due to the concept that “farming” requires manpower, but clearly a lot of the rural people have still kept that concept and moved to more urban areas.

            I’m also curious why they’re called “migrant workers” aren’t they Chinese citizens?

            If you’re a software developer from Urumqi and go to Shanghai to work, you’re not a “migrant worker.”

            The “One Child Policy” was a big hit…you now have 20,000,000 single Chinese men with NO chance of EVER finding a Chinese wife, the natural ratio of male to female has been artificially skewed.

            How’s the availability of birth control, pre-natal care and abortions in any of these affected areas…let’s factor that in. You expect them to live in poverty, not provide any sort of preventative care and remain celibate?

          • carlstar

            Yes the rich can pay a fine but what about the average person from the city. So if you are rich you can have lots, if you are a farmer you can have 2, sometimes and the majority can’t of course.

            If course the one child policy is good and 20 million people not having a partner in the future is good too. Clearly from this article, it shows that one and a half billion people are already having trouble supporting themselves.

        • bigsammy

          speak like an illiterate , every where in the world there are high and low living standards of people , the low will serve the high, if every one is a successfull business man , who will teach your kids , or clean your home , you always need nanny , and low level class people in every society , don’t share kids idea

  • wangjian008

    I feel heart bleeding look at these photos, help these kids, save my people from the hand of corrupted bureaucrats.

  • http://www.lovelovechina.com Crystal

    Some people can preserve their dignity even in places like that, while others…

    • Just John

      Loose their dignity to gain internet fame?

      • jianglin

        and it’s very very easy to sit down and talk about others’ dignity. much easier when you have no idea what circumstances can turn you into.
        there is a saying in my hometown,
        you shouldn’t think of how you are but how you will become.

        • Just John

          Here, I was just making a joking reference to the stories we see here on chinasmack about people who make up some story, become famous online in China because of it, and we find out they lied.

          So, I think you should take your soapbox to the Lu meimei or Guo meimei story. Might fit your soapbox better.

        • Tengu

          There is a saying in my village, which is actually literate:
          “You shouldn’t think of WHO you are, but WHO you will become.”

      • Tengu

        …or star on Reality TV!

  • nn

    The nature suffers. It is so hard to improve Chinese awareness to environmental protection. And to make it worse, US and Japan dump their garbage on our mother land. We need protest, otherwise the government will never pay attention to this minor flaw compared to economic development. Not only for China, every country should be appreciate to what is given by the nature and try to reduce the harm to it.

  • Kyle

    This is very sad.

    That stupid rich girl from the last story… the one who is wasting her time on building schools in Africa, she should be helping these poor children. At least the money spent helping these poor people in China won’t be wasted.

    • Tony

      Nonsense – African children are deserving of aid just as much as Chinese children. Further, African governments are poor. I don’t see Uganda building an aircraft carrier nor trying to send men to the moon.

      • Kyle

        Yes, African children are deserving of aid, but NOT as much as Chinese children. Give these poor Chinese children some help and they will work hard and study hard. They will become tomorrow’s doctors, engineers, business owners, etc. if given a chance. Give the African children aid and they will grow up to have many more children who will need more aid.

        African governments are always poor. So what’s new? Africa is poor because of the general low intelligence and low work ethics of its people.

        You will NEVER see Uganda building an aircraft carrier or going to the moon. Those things require intelligence and hard work. That’s why the Chinese people are able to do it and the African…. not so much.

        • Just John

          You know, many people probably would have said the exact same thing about China 20 or 30 years ago. Goes to show that the world is always changing, and your views today may cause you to have a doctor needed to remove your foot tomorrow.

          • Kyle

            You know, many people probably would have said the exact same thing about China 20 or 30 years ago.
            ———————————

            Great argument there. Such awesome logic and reasoning. All the scientific evidence encapsulated in that one sentence. How can I respond to that one. You win.

            http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap14.html
            http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap12.html

          • Just John

            Way to take it like a man and admit your mistake.
            The first step is to admit your wrong.

            “Some have suggested that the Flynn effect implies that the 1 standard deviation difference in the mean Black–White IQ difference in the United States will gradually disappear over time (Flynn, 1999).”

            http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

          • Kyle

            “Some have suggested that the Flynn effect implies that the 1 standard deviation difference in the mean Black–White IQ difference in the United States will gradually disappear over time (Flynn, 1999).”
            —————————————————–

            More great logic and reasoning. “Some have suggested that this Flynn dude is full of crap.”

            When that Black-White IQ gap disappears, get back to me.

            Did you even bother to take a look at the article you linked to? Rushton and Jensen believe that there is an intelligence gap between blacks and whites. The guy in this video is Rushton:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOtsSj1chg&t=3m

            This “Flynn Effect” has pretty much stopped. There is no more scientific evidence to show any more narrowing of the Black-White IQ gap.

            http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/2010%20Editorial%20for%20Intelligence.pdf

            It’s funny. Blacks need a few generations for this “Flynn Effect” to take place. The Chinese people don’t seem to have this problem.

          • Just John

            Kyle, you are right, that study did say that the overall Black vs. White IQ issue is still not equal, but guess you left out every other factor that is causing this discrepancy, because it is not black vs. white vs. chinese vs. monkeys.

            But, here is what I want to know.
            Have you yet actually proved that I am wrong on others impressions, not scientific data, about Chinese 20 to 30 years ago? You will note I specifically stated “Many people probably would have thought the same thing about China”, not “Scientific evidence shows a bias in sampling”.

            Second, have you actually addressed the issues I pointed out in the sampling rate? Comparing blacks in Alabama to Whites in upper New York might be a bit biased. Not saying that is what they did in your links, but often that is exactly what you find.

            This is like comparing white kissing cousins in the Ozarks to Harvard educated whites. Now I guess you can say whites IQ is lower then whites IQ. It is an intellectually dishonest argument because it does not adequately display all the variables that cause this situation.

            I was showing a single example of why what you stated was incorrect. Now, here is a more recent study from 2008:
            The achievement gap between blacks and whites owes nothing to genetics. It is not solely due to discrimination or social-class differences between blacks and whites. It is due in good part to environmental differences between blacks and whites stemming from family, neighborhood, and school socialization factors that are present even for middle-class blacks. The gap is closing slowly, but it could be closed much more rapidly, with interventions both large and small. Preschool programs exist that can produce enormous differences in outcomes in school and in later life. Elementary schools where children spend much more time in contact with the school, and which include upper-middle-class experiences such as visits to museums and dramatic productions, have a major impact on poor black children’s academic achievement. Simply convincing black children that their intellectual skills are under their control can have a marked impact.
            http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/DAED_a_00079?journalCode=daed

            Now, since I don’t have access to the original article, since I am no longer in college, I found more information related to this study here:
            http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Achievement+Gap%3A+Past,+Present+%26+Future.-a0254485540

            Ultimately, you can keep looking through study after study after study, and my bet is I can find one every time that refutes what you are claiming. Why? Because your studies are based on people trying to prove either they are better then others, or others should have some sort of limitation placed on them because they are inherently inferior (Blacks are stupid, so we, the superior race, should be able to keep them as slaves so we can give them control them for their own good). Basically, the discrepancy exists mostly because the studies are not on equal grounds. It is not comparing apples to apples. You cannot take an aggregate whole and expect to have an unbiased study because on the whole there is not equality. Find me a study on white IQ growing up in black society and black IQ growing up in white society that still states that blacks have a lower IQ then whites and maybe I will believe you.

            While many studies that are actually trying to find evidence of the root cause of this discrepancy actually find out that there is no fundamental difference in ability, but there are other fundamental difference that create these issues, such as society, education, socio-economic factors, etc.

            Now maybe I should have picked a better article, what can I say, overworked and underpaid, so I do not have time to do university level research for a thesis just to tell you “Guess what, I know your wrong”. Because, well, you’re wrong. Want to throw around more research?

          • Kyle

            John, thanks for the link to that study. One of my college degrees is in Psychology, the other is Computer Science. I majored in Psychology because I love it. Studies like the one you pointed to fascinate me. Because of my interest in things like this, I have spent time over the years studying it when I can. People think I am ignorant, and that is why I believe what I do. But it usually turns out that I know more about this than they do :)

            Now, I will answer your questions:

            ——————————–
            Have you yet actually proved that I am wrong on others impressions, not scientific data, about Chinese 20 to 30 years ago? You will note I specifically stated “Many people probably would have thought the same thing about China”, not “Scientific evidence shows a bias in sampling”.
            ——————————–

            How can I prove you wrong on this? You can’t even prove yourself right. “Many people PROBABLY would have thought the same thing about China”. PROBABLY? You’re not even sure if they did or not. The only answer I can give you there is…. probably.

            —————————-
            Second, have you actually addressed the issues I pointed out in the sampling rate? Comparing blacks

            in Alabama to Whites in upper New York might be a bit biased. Not saying that is what they did in your links, but often that is exactly what you find.
            —————————-

            If you said something about sampling data previously, I must have missed it. This is the first time I have read anything about it from you. But to answer your question. There have been MANY, MANY, MANY of these intelligence test given to many different groups all over the US and the world over MANY, MANY years. They lead to the same results. If there are sampling data problems, the critics of these studies would have pointed it out. The critics would have then done their own studies correcting for such problems. And the IQ gap would disappear in those studies.

            ————————
            Ultimately, you can keep looking through study after study after study, and my bet is I can find one every time that refutes what you are claiming. Why? Because your studies are based on people trying to prove either they are better then others, or others should have some sort of limitation placed on them because they are inherently inferior (Blacks are stupid, so we, the superior race, should be able to keep them as slaves so we can give them control them for their own good).
            ————————

            OK, that is fine, I won’t link to any study for you. I was going to do that, but it seems you’re not interested. But here is the thing, John. Here is where you are wrong… it is not about trying to prove who is better. IT IS ABOUT TRYING TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH. LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN, WHATEVER THAT TRUTH MAY BE.

            ————————-
            The achievement gap between blacks and whites owes nothing to genetics. It is not solely due to discrimination or social-class differences between blacks and whites. It is due in good part to environmental differences between blacks and whites stemming from family, neighborhood, and school socialization factors that are present even for middle-class blacks. The gap is closing slowly, but it could be closed much more rapidly, with interventions both large and small. Preschool programs exist that can produce enormous differences in outcomes in school and in later life. Elementary schools where children spend much more time in contact with the school, and which include upper middle-class experiences such as visits to museums and dramatic productions, have a major impact on poor black children’s academic achievement.
            ————————–

            If these people think that it is the environment that is the cause of the problem, let them prove it. Get back to me when they do. Like I said before, I have spent time looking into this topic. This is not the first time I’ve heard this. They always have these studies that show incredible results. When these findings are applied to the real world, the results are always less than impressive.

            —————————
            Simply convincing black children that their intellectual skills are under their control can have a marked impact.
            —————————

            Have you looked at any of the stuff I linked to? “In their opinion of their own attractiveness and competency in reading, science, and social studies (but not math), blacks score higher than whites and Asians, despite their actual lower scores.”

            http://erectuswalksamongst.us/Chap12.html

            ————————————–
            While many studies that are actually trying to find evidence of the root cause of this discrepancy actually find out that there is no fundamental difference in ability, but there are other fundamental difference that create these issues, such as society, education, socio-economic factors, etc.
            ————————————-

            What exactly are those differences that create these issues? Throwing words like “society, education, socio-economic factors” doesn’t mean very much. Tell me some of those specific issues.

            —————————-
            Now maybe I should have picked a better article, what can I say, overworked and underpaid, so I do not have time to do university level research for a thesis just to tell you “Guess what, I know your wrong”. Because, well, you’re wrong. Want to throw around more research?
            ——————————

            If I am wrong, then prove me wrong. It shouldn’t be too hard for you to do. I’ll be waiting for your proof.

          • Just John

            Kyle, very interesting.

            We have similar backgrounds in terms of interests and industries, only made more eerie by how close they are, yet are not.

            I have delved into psychology deeply, and took as many classes in it as I could given the context of my majors.

            I have a EE degree aimed at computer-circuitry interface (Yes, I used to be able to program in hexcode).
            I have an international studies degree aimed at cross cultural relations and understanding (Closely linked with cultural psychology) and I have a business degree.

            I know I am completely off track, just trying to let you know that I do understand where you are coming from.

            Unfortunately, I do not work in research areas, since I work in high tech now, so finding proper sources without college research access makes it difficult for me to actually find the issues that support my claims, and given my recent change in jobs here at my company, I am swamped.

            In other words, I will try to get back to you with more information that supports what I am saying, but since I like to check my sources (So I do not have embarrassments like the Flynn article), it will take me more time to adequately respond further on the issue.

            I too like to study what I am talking about, so I actually know something, instead of spewing off random garbage.

            On that note, I will point to the “said the same thing about Chinese 20-30 years ago”, I heard pretty much nothing about intelligence, and more about starving kids. It was the “mysterious land”, so little was known about them, but the immigrant pool in the US was mostly laborers, so IQ was not an attribute commonly shared.

            Just as later, Chinese became more linked to “Food production”, the connotation was not looked at positively, but more as a low educated labor force. Even with the Japanese we saw the same thing in terms of “copycats”.

            As everything progressed, the view started shifting away from this viewpoint, but to be honest, I think it was the Japanese who started getting our attention as intelligent “good at math” stereotypes that ended up being rolled into an “Asians are good at math”, resulting in Chinese getting some of this stereotype as a common Asian connection.

            To be perfectly honest, I think it was more the link between Chinese and food that tended to give most people I knew growing up this impression. If anything, it was not the Chinese that changed this, and it has only been in the last 10 years that “Chinese” has separated from “Asian” so the majority of the US actually knows who they really are.

            To top this off, given the “made in China”, you still see manual labor, thus not smart, attached to Chinese in most peoples words, with some intelligence granted to them based more on their “Asianess” then to their actual representation.

            Honestly, even I made this mistake until 2004 when I started studying Chinese in my international studies program (Went back to school for this and my business degree because of the tech downturn in 2000). I add in the identifier “probably” more because not everyone is ignorant, and who knows, maybe outside my circles, others were more aware. After all, it could have only been in the types of groups I was attached to that this misunderstanding of Chinese IQ occurred, so I didn’t want to assume that I knew what was in everyone’s minds.

            I am currently trying to find more research about actual US social beliefs of Chinese right after the Nixon deal, but based on my search so far, I am thinking that may be rather difficult to do.

            Ok, sorry, wall o text out.

          • Kyle

            I am currently trying to find more research about actual US social beliefs of Chinese right after the Nixon deal, but based on my search so far, I am thinking that may be rather difficult to do.
            ———————

            I don’t think it is necessary for you to research it. After reading what you said in your last post, I see what you are trying to get at. And here is my response:

            What you seem to be saying is this… based on there early observations, people here in America, including yourself, didn’t see the Chinese as being very smart. That turned out to be wrong. So now you think that I am wrong for saying the same thing about the blacks. But here is the very important difference you didn’t seem to notice… what I said is backed up by scientific evidence. What Americans thought about the Chinese people in the past was made through mere observation. There is a HUGE difference between the two.

            ———————–
            I too like to study what I am talking about, so I actually know something, instead of spewing off random garbage.
            ————————

            I have no doubt what you’re saying is true. But in this case, there is something you’re missing. You’re not studying it with an open mind. Here’s what I mean. You said this in a previous post…

            —————–
            Because your studies are based on people trying to prove either they are better then others, or others should have some sort of limitation placed on them because they are inherently inferior (Blacks are stupid, so we, the superior race, should be able to keep them as slaves so we can give them control them for their own good).
            —————–

            If you truly believe what you said there, then you cannot really study this topic objectively. You are already biased in your opinion without even giving it a chance. I, however, do not believe the researchers are racists, or that they are trying to prove themselves superior. They may or may not be wrong, but they are not racists for studying this. I have looked into their research for about 3 years now, whenever I had time and I felt like it. My conclusion, based on looking objectively at both sides of the issue, is that they are correct.

            If you are going to study this issue further, you need to keep an open mind. Consider the possibility that you might be the one that is wrong here. Look into what they are saying like I have. Maybe you might come to the same conclusion that I did. Here’s a good place to start:

            http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/reb.html

        • Anon

          Try this one. Because the Chinese have so much less melanin in their system, they are less affected by intelligence zapping solar radiation. Because they have more iodine in their system, making them yellowish, they are again less affected psychic intelligence zapping background or released radiation from fissile material.

          If the conspiracy theory strategy to blow up Chernobyl and Fukushima via weather weapons, or irradiate the Middle East with depleted Uranium ammunition is to lower intelligence, or quantum energy manipulation abilities of the general population is accurate, it is likely that all other races would be affected more than yellow skinned North east Asians.

          How does this theory on intelligence sound?

        • Anon

          That’s unfair to say. Who is to tell that being an older race in general, they have underdeveloped (from harsh environment probably) but superior genes that can only still be found in more primal races, that have not yet expressed themselves? As for work ethic, I think the environment and lack of comfortable venues also afflicts them Who is to say that the same lighter skinned races if placed in such environments would be even less productive or have less room to grow neurons, being unable to tolerate the heat or poor environment?

    • rollin wit 9′s

      spending the money overseas is much harder for the masses to track. They can’t see the results. And once the story is out of the headlines, how long will they remember? Spend the money in China and its easier to track, more eyes watching etc. And what better way to con people out of their money than to say its for aid/charity. If you want advice, don’t ever donate unless you give your cash, asset or gift directly to the person in need. Especially in China!

  • Brett Hunan

    This is actually quite a larger problem than you would imagine.

    Of all the places I have traveled in China, and all the public landfills I have seen out in the open, I would be hardpressed to remember 1 without children scavenging for food and goods to sell.

    In Hunan, you can see this in almost every town and small city from Hengyang to Changsha to Dayong. The Miao minority in northwestern Hunan (think Fenghuang and Jiangjiajie) practically all live in this filth. They have other means of income (tourism) but there too, children scavenge.

    Yunnan– child scavenging. Guangxi, Sichuan, Hubei, Shaanxi- you guessed it, there are children scavenging there too.

    True, most of these kids work hard, but that doesn’t mean that they cannot enjoy their childhood. I know that sounds crazy but I have some pictures of the town’s kids having fun on top of a garbage pile from Guangxi.

    I agree with netizens that maybe China should consider its own people’s situation before sending money to another country. As shown in my post, this issue is wide spread. There is not much opportunity for scavengers after middle school. Unless you are top of your class, highschool and uni cost money.

    Working out a way to send these children to high school may just mean that more of them have a chance to get a job somewhere. 150billion RMB should be enough to send between 15-20 million more kids to high school in Rural China.

    • Rick in China

      RE: larger problem than you would imagine.

      This isn’t a China phenomenon. It’s an international phenomenon. Many countries are far more poor than China and have the same situation with landfills and garbage dumps. If you’ve travelled Africa to any extent you can see places where there are no garbage dumps – but much more poverty – because there is nothing to throw away.

      A large reason countries share goodwill not only amongst their own population but distant countries is not as altruistic as it may seem. Many African countries are rich in natural resources without the ability to exploit them – minerals etc. The countries themselves don’t have the ability to mine or extract their own minerals, and other countries try to contract operations to put some people to work and get those minerals for themselves — with *heavy* leverage that benefits themselves much more than the countries they are essentially pilfering from. Congo is a great example, one of many.

      That being said, foreign aid and charities to benefit other countries even when your own has needs is a good thing – not a bad thing – and shouldn’t be looked at so negatively. Building ties and relationships between people and cultures is a huge step towards long-term internationalization and partnerships that would otherwise be non-existant. People who are truly charitable share their last piece of bread even when they’re hungry, not only the crumbs once they’re full.

      • Brett Hunan

        Well put, and no I don’t think that donating to other countries is a bad thing. I fully embrace it, as I pointed out in the Guo Meimei story.

        Your point about landfills in other countries is true. But people see them and say “Oh, they have no food to eat :(” People see skinny kids in the garbage pits and say “How fucked up is this world?”

  • Brett Hunan

    Had been born in the city, they would probably be forced to become child beggars.

    Then most would look at them with fear instead of pity.

  • dag

    Not happy getting the sofa. Very, very sad.

    • Dave in Macau

      You are very sad, just like all the rest with a sofa fetish.

  • Jess

    Can’t these people claim the Minimum Living Allowance they have in China?

  • GB

    Hope they can find cleaner way’s to live..

    Sofa :)

    • GB

      I feel so dumb.. when i went to the page a few min ago, there were no comments….

      • Young Man

        Indeed you are dumb-

        As another poster said, please lets end this ‘sofa’ crap.

  • Californian ABC

    Poverty anywhere is a sad thing!

  • Tie Ridge

    The world is crule but I came from a poor family. I have worked since I was 12 years old just to get through school. There are poor in every country. At least these children are working to feed them self. In Africa there lazy they dont even feed themselfs they wait for any country to send them food . Thats F@!king lazy. 30,000 die so!!!!!!!

    • Kyle

      I have to agree with you 100% about their poor work ethics. They also generally have very low intelligence, although there are very few of them that would be considered “smart”.

      But the thing is, you shouldn’t be so cold about the 30,000 dying from the famine. It’s still sad.

  • Nyancat

    sigh, this should make most of us thankful for what we have.

  • http://gravatar.com/davischen Davis

    SOFAAAAAAA
    ?
    muwahahaha :)

    • http://gravatar.com/davischen Davis

      jk, oops, Internet effed up.

      • Just John

        OMG, you broke the internet!

        I told you not to connect those tubes together.
        Or did you divide by 0 again?

        • Tengu

          Not the tubes…my god, not the tubes….in all is that was holy with Ted Stevens…keep the tubes stable.

        • Brett Hunan

          …He had his tubes tied?

  • Genxi

    Sofa. The Chinese government should create a voucher for all school children and let them use it anywhere in China to avoid problems like this.

    • Genxi

      23 messages!? I thought I was the first!!!

    • Suijen

      The schools are probably paid for by people with hukous, and I doubt they’d want migrant students sharing the teacher’s attention with the parents’ own children. Consider how competitive it is to enter their kids into a good school, and a migrant student, by virtue of being poor, gets a free ride. This was mentioned before in the article regarding how a magnanimous Shanghai government allowed migrant students to study in Shanghai schools.

      The central government should again boost development of rural areas and force provincial governors to provide oversight for village development. School children should not be picking trash when their potential lies elsewhere.

  • dondon

    and Bloody Lu meimie is helping Africa instead of its own country.. its all about money for her… all that bullshit about help people doesnt matter where… all bullshit..

    • Just John

      Maybe, maybe not.

      It appears that she does not need the money, given her family, so you cannot automatically attribute her salary to her desires.

      Or were you present when she went in and demanded 10% of the profits? My bet is the payment was either a carryover from whomever she took over from or at the urging of her father, but again, I have no first hand knowledge, and since there are always two sides of the story, I am not free to assume her intentions. Now if you can read minds and know what she is thinking, more power to you.

      Now, as for the whole “Africa” thing, this is not the only such charity. US has high unemployment, homeless, economically disadvantaged, and I hear much the same arguments as I do here. Why are we giving money to other countries while there are those in need in our country?

      Simple fact is this: You know that this charity is aimed at helping Africans lead better lives. You vote for their value with your dollars. You don’t agree with the ways they are distributing money, and the causes they are supporting? Don’t vote for them. I am sure Red Cross Society would appreciate your money instead, since the public voted on them, and they voted to kill most of their donations.

      So, assume away based on others who assume the same as you, but until you understand all sides of the situation, then your opinion is still just that, an opinion, and probably based on some false beliefs that you actually understand the situation enough to make a rational decision.

      Me, I just choose to buy sandwiches because I don’t like the way any charities spend my money. That is my right to vote with my donation money.

      • Marsvin

        It’s your right. It’s also extremely convenient.

  • Blobbyy

    Poor Kids, and it is all about luck in life. What family you are born into….

    • Just John

      Really? Want me to point you to all the self made rich who came from a poor background?

      Family you came from is an excuse, a crutch, and trust me, being one of the have nots, I would very much like to blame it on luck, fate, etc. But, when you actually closely evaluate it, what is the real difference between the rich and poor? Many factors, so many that books are made on this issue. Mostly it has to do with your mindset though.

      Now if you are talking about the “second generation rich”, well, that is another issue.

      • Justin

        Pointing to a handful of self-made rich that grew up in “poor” families is using the exceptions to prove the rule. And it goes against the mountains of sociological/economic evidence that shows class background does severely limit ones opportunities in life, especially in developing countries like China that have a very low overall degree of social mobility.

        Furthermore, China is a society in which family and social connections play a greater role than in other countries and there is a rigid hierarchical social order. Just tell some left-behind kid from a migrant family living in squalor who can’t afford an education: “Hey, study hard and read a book dumbass.” I’m sure they’ll be the next Bill Gates.

        Also, the so-called “rich people who came from poor families” probably didn’t come from the kind of poverty that these kids come from. There’s poverty and then there’s poverty. Poverty in a developed country is a relatively comfortable life for people in a developing or undeveloped country. So go spit that Horatio Alger pull-yourself-up-from-your-bootstraps bullshit somewhere ele.

        • Just John

          Ahh, so you must be the bitter “My lottery ticket numbers were not picked” of last week’s draw. Well, better luck this week.

          And when did I every say education = money?
          Never. I said that everything points to a certain mindset that neither my broke ass nor your broke ass has. In fact, many of the richest people dropped out of college.

          Now, if you want some bullshit, I can go out to the field and get you lots. So pull up your bootstraps, because those bulls shit alot.

          • Justin

            Well obviously you must have dropped out of college because you think being rich and poor has something to do with ones mindset and nothing to do with the socioeconomic status one was born into. If you had been in college and taken a sociology class on the effects of class, race and education, you might learn that these things determine one’s fate far more than mindset and it’s bore out by empirical data, not some common sense argument that you pull out of your ass.

            “But, when you actually closely evaluate it, what is the real difference between the rich and poor? Many factors, so many that books are made on this issue.”

            What books? “Rich Dad, Poor Dad?” Donald Trump’s biography. Give me a fucking break. Try reading any number of the millions of peer-reviewed sociological studies on the subject of social mobility and it’s relation to educational opportunities, race and class background, and you’ll see that where you start has everything to do with where you finish.

            “In fact, many of the richest people dropped out of college.” The point is that they were able to go to college in the first place which means their parents probably had enough money to provide them with a comfortable life and they got a quality education from a good school district, which enabled them to develop the skills which made them rich.

            Furthermore, name some specific names….Bill Gates? His parents were upper middle class. His grandfather was the president of a major national bank. He attended an exclusive preparatory school at the age of 13 where he had access to a computer at a time when virtually no one his age had access to computers. Then he went to Harvard where he was further educated and had greater access to computers that opened up opportunities for him to launch his business.

            Then let’s see, who else, Michael Dell? His family was also rich. According to Wikipedia he was the son of an orthodontist and a stockbroker and yeah he showed a lot of drive at an early age and a head for business, but you don’t think any of that had to do with his being a son of a stockbroker? Do you think if he were a butcher’s son or a garbage man’s son, he would be Michael Dell, the multi-billionaire today? He also had access to quality education at an early age.

            And last but not least, Mark Zuckerberg…He dropped out of Harvard after developing Facebook. For one, Harvard is the top school in the US and two years at Harvard are probably about equivalent to 4 years at an average university. Furthermore, Zuckerberg had every advantage when he was younger. Zuckerberg began using computers and writing software as a child in middle school. According to Wikipedia, his father taught him Atari BASIC Programming in the 1990s, and later hired software developer David Newman to tutor him privately.

            So yeah, all these guys were just “special” they had no help, education or wealth played no role in their lives. It was just their “mindset” that enabled them to succeed.

            Oh yeah and “education does not equal money” or vice versa. Again, why don’t you pick an empirical scientific study at random to try to support that theory.

            As for me being bitter, I’m happy with my life. I make enough money to where I am perfectly comfortable. I do a job that gives me satisfaction and I have a promising future as a journalist that I am working very hard toward. I for one don’t give a shit about becoming rich or being rich, because most people who are rich are fucking scumbags who got to be that way by backstabbing people, underpaying their workers or using temp/part-time labor and denying benefits to employees to try to squeeze a little bit of profit. The only billionaire I have any sort of respect for is Warren Buffet and maybe George Soros because they at least have some kind of conscience.

            I didn’t choose to be a journalist for the money obviously. I chose to be a journalist to pursue the truth and promote social justice, and I will continue to do that.

          • Just John

            Guess you missed my obvious clue that I disagree with you, and quite frankly wish to spend my time in more endearing pursuits, like beating my head against the wall.

            Personally having met J.R. Simplot’s family, I have knowledge of some rags to riches stories. But what do I know, after all, I apparently dropped out of college, right? Since I point this out, you think it automatically is attributed to me.

            Heaven forbid anyone disagree with you.

            I bow down to your humble academia mind, and shall strive to forget that every rich person in the world comes from the same roots in theory family line as the poor. Of course, I can also point to any examples, but because they are not limelight rich, you won’t accept them. Maybe you need to look beyond press release. Ask Ray Kroc, a traveling salesman. What about Sam Walton? Every one of these people from humble backgrounds with great ideas and the ability to execute. O, and FYI, the only one of those names that had college was Sam. Want to keep throwing around names? I can research more.

            And FYI, I actually have two undergrad degrees and 1 graduate degree, but keep assuming.

          • Just John

            Sorry for the mistakes in my last post. I made it on my Android phone, so there are a few mistakes.

            Here, let me clarify some issues for you.

            1. Yes, I am quite aware that education has a direct correlation to income parity in normal situations.
            2. I am also quite aware of every one of those names, their stories, and how they became what they are.

            To top this off, just to make your day, I understand that the options available to these children will be limited when coupled with everything they face in the future:
            Social economic power base
            Connections oriented society
            Instilled beliefs and values
            Overall education values
            Mindset that society and themselves have locked them into

            I never once said that “They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, and I also have never read, nor never want to read, anything that at all includes Donald Trump, unless it involves how he humiliated himself.

            I said that just because one is born poor does not mean that one will always be poor. I also said that it is the mindset of the person that has a major difference between the rich and poor.

            Me, I am not rich, but I am much richer then my parents. Why? I chose to follow a certain path that would lead me to a more comfortable life. Not at their urging, and they did not pay to get me where I am. Want to see my 100k in student loans?

            It was my mindset. Now, unfortunately, I don’t have the love of money that others do, so I put in the exact amount I need to so I can live the exact lifestyle I wish to. I chose the industries, the work position, and the education based on my goals. So, in other words, I am exactly where I feel comfortable, and do not expend extra effort to achieve a higher level of comfort.

            Again, it is all mindset. You can argue all you want about anything else you want, but you have not disproven me on that fact.

            And for the reference of the top people in an industry, again, their mindset was set to drive them a way that happen to have revolutionized industries. Again, where did I every say that dropping out will guarantee you will be rich? Putting words into my mouth? When did I ever say that the top “new rich” in the world are the norm?

            It appears it is achievable by people who are not inherently rich, no matter how much you scream “exceptions”. Again, I never said “Hey, all people can get here if they only work hard enough”. I said that people are not locked into poverty just because they are born into poverty.

            Please stop putting words in my mouth that you know I did not say. It’s intellectually dishonest.

          • PJ

            Never commented on this blog before, but have to call out Just John for being so full of it on this one.

            Yes, Sam Walton was born into a poor family. Yes, he worked his ass off as a young man and likely had an incredible work ethic. You know how he started managing his first store? With a $20,000 loan from his father-in-law. IN 1945. Do the math and convert that to 2011 dollars. That is called a lucky break.

            And Ray Kroc? Of course he was a massively shrewd and successful entrepreneur. But he also served in a regiment with Walt Disney when he was young, and was able to rely on that networking opportunity various times during the rest of his career, ensuring his success. That is also called a very lucky break.

            JR Simplot, incidentally, made his billions AFTER establishing a business relationship with Kroc and being guaranteed to be the primary supplier of potatoes for McDonald’s fries–before that, while he had definitely done well for an eighth-grade dropout, but was running a pretty routine potato processing operation and hardly guaranteed billions for his earnest effort. The difference was–let’s say it again–a lucky break.

            To imply that these right-place, right-time outliers represent the opportunities available to ANY person born into less-than-advantageous circumstances is disingenuous in the extreme, and really just kind of gross. You can’t possibly believe that.

            If so, go ahead and be the one who hooks up one of these kids with a millionaire meet-and-greet and give them a chance to make their fortune.

          • Just John

            Sigh, guess you both missed my point.
            Yes, I was pointing out some exceptions, but if you will note, I was saying that just because you are born poor doesn’t mean you will always be locked in as poor.

            While yes, these are exceptions, that means that 100% of all poor people are not in fact locked into it.

            Last off, you do realize that even poor people can become well, average income earners with a relative ease, right?

            So I guess the entire “born poor, die poor” mentality is not a universal, all situations kind of thing.

            My only comment having to do with wealth in my initial statement was “Want me to point you to all the self made rich who came from a poor background?”, which, by itself PROVES that you are not locked into poverty, or else, 100% would be locked in. Tell me how in fact you argue with this fact when guess what, it happened? Calling it “Outliers” does not dismiss this fact. Want me to admit they have a very high likelihood to? Sure, I can throw out a random 95% will, but since I just pulled it out of my ass, it doesn’t mean anything, just as your comments also do not mean anything because you, like Justin, failed to address my initial point, and instead got into a “whos who of the modern rich”.

            And last off, wtf does HOW Simplot made his money have to do with the fact that he did? I said he made it, you said he made it, tell me how the method matters? I could care less if he made it by having his wife serve as a sex toy while bribing half the world.

            O, and PS, since when can one not better their standard of living? Going from trash scavenger to factory worker, while not a drastic increase, is better. Please tell me that you are not honestly trying to hand me a caste system and think I will accept it?

            Next time read the original comment before you jump in at the end and think you can call me out on anything.

          • PJ

            That was an honest and reasonable reply Just John.

            My point was not that NO poor person can pull themselves up to a middle-class or even an upper-class situation because of the socioeconomic situation that they were born into. Absolute statements are rarely (notice I didn’t say NEVER) accurate. You’re right, these people are not unequivocally “locked” into poverty–it is just statistically extremely unlikely that they will ever escape it.

            Is that because they don’t try hard enough? Well, no, not really. Simplot could have done a lot of things to make money (although I doubt he considered whoring out his wife), but the fact was, it was the happy consequence of a lot of possible outcomes that Kroc contacted HIM about his potato operation and that Simplot had the social wherewithal to seal the deal.

            As a comparison, imagine if someone as (presumably) socially gifted and business-shrewd as Simplot had been born into a rich family. He made billions as a once-poor potato-plant manager–but he’d probably have made hundreds of billions as a steel magnate.

            The comment that I was mostly reacting to is the “the family you’re born into is a crutch/excuse” one (see, I did read the original comment!). IMO that’s just not true. As a person born into lesser circumstances who was lucky enough to marry into better circumstances, I’ve learned that there’s a reason that the rich stay rich. It’s partly due to merit and intelligence, but it’s also because, from day one, you are taught to be fluent in the language of finance, stocks, bonds, taxes, discounts, and savings. And you have people who take care of these things while you aren’t old enough to deal with them yourself. Your education is very likely to be damn good too!

            And by the way, people who are capable of achieving far-greater-than-statistically-likely rises through the social ranks often tend to be very good at self-promotion, which means that you shouldn’t necessarily take their story at 100% face value. Just sayin’–in my professional experience, a lot of senior management out there works hard to make sure you know that their middle-class Western childhoods were a tortuous struggle :-D

            I guess what it comes down to is that yes, statistically, a couple of these kids could make it big. After all, poor people make intelligent kids too–it’s just that while those families have a hard time looking beyond next week, their wealthier counterparts are already planning for their kids’ college in 10+ years. And as you say, this would validate that the poor aren’t LOCKED into their miserable socioeconomic status. But I think it’s very reasonable to say that, if they manage to succeed on merit alone, they will be making a leap that is far, far beyond what they would have needed to do to assure similar success had they been born into a wealthy family with academic, professional, and financial networks. Labelling this reality a “caste system” would be disingenuous, yes–but so is the assertion that all people are born with equal access to financial abundance.

  • imusingavpn

    I just returned from Guizhou on a big holiday. I mostly spent time in the villages, and I couldn’t believe the poverty that can still be found in some parts of China. Truly disgusting considering all of the money that China has been pouring into the effort of impressing other countries with sporting events. It’s only a matter of time before Chinese people get tired of being exploited and covered up. Libya be the example! I hear many people on the streets talking of change already. It’s something I didn’t hear before the middle eastern revolutions.

  • Jack

    What else can they do? No schools for them to go to anymore.

  • taargus

    reclaimed sofa? lots of treasure in them piles.

  • eattot

    i wanna cry…poor kids!
    i do hate poor people those born many kids, even themselves can not make their own living, heng!they put their hope on their kids, but offer nothing to them, then what they can expect???
    hate them, hate them!

    • Just John

      Your right, we should definately start letting them sell the kids so they no longer need to worry about making their own living.

      This was your point, wasn’t it? Just checking.

      • dave stevens

        Just noting by the consistent sourness of your messages to people that you are the forums resident asshole, right?

        • Just John

          Do I call people on their bs?
          Yes.
          Does that make me an asshole?
          No.
          Why?
          Because we are what we eat, so that mars me a pussy.

        • Tengu

          I think he is far from the resident asshole. His comments have a consistency bacause he takes no prisoners and calls people out on their bullshit.

          Simply because one calls another on the constant maelstrom of shit swirling around them and refuses to get sucked into it themselves and observes from afar doesn’t make ANYONE an asshole.

          When did everyone get so sensitive out here?

        • Tengu

          Look at the follow up comment from “eeattot”, now tell me if you can even tell who the resident asshole is.

          Try not to let that initial “i wanna cry…poor kids!” deceive you.

          A bit quick blowing your wad weren’t you?

        • Just John

          Aww, I’m about to burst out singing

          “Can you feel the love tonight”

        • Anon

          @dave stevens

          If you are not another face of the below 2 @s (who always comment alongside one another – earlier with a ‘below waist’ agenda – also with another @Johns), you might want know that at least one person thinks @Tengu and @Just John, also @Johns appear to all be the same person.

          • Tengu

            Actually my good man, if you will review subsequent posts the “below the wist ” phenomenon seems to have disappeared.

            We were all chided by Fauna, for our comments during the “Thai Commercial”, I have no idea where “Just John” went recently and I have no idea who he is, funny I was just wondering where he went.

            We are not the same person, but you can think what you will, not really an issue for me.

            If you were a native English speaker you would easily pick up on the differences in how we write, in fact in one post we used the same phrase, but handled it entirely differently.

            People change Anon, look at my recent posts, no puerile humor. If you wish, I’ll extend a hand, if not…not my problem…

            Enjoy.

          • Just John

            Actually, for the most part, I almost never post on the weekends. To busy with the wife.

            Unfortunately, I am also now doing projects for two different BUs, so my time is currently very limited, since my workload almost literally quadrupled.

          • Just John

            Anon, Now why on earth would I want to post as multiple people?
            So I can have a chat with myself?

            Your reasoning fails on so many levels it is not even funny.

            As noted by Tengu, maybe you should look at the word usage, the syntax, the flow of our typed behaviors.

            Just because we banter around the same jokes that someone started here in chinaSMACK, does in fact not equate to the same individual.

            That is why they are the jokes bantered around here, because they were started here. If I tried to toss around other internet jokes or memes, they probably would not be funny, because they would not make sense in this context, just as if I tossed around meimei jokes on other blogs I post on, the people would not understand the basic nature of the joke.

            Please do not equate a common shared understanding with a particular person. I thought you were more intelligent to be able to pick out others written nuances to be able to distinguish one from the other.

            If the actual word usage, rhythm of communication, and overall structure is not enough to give it away, look at many of the different issues we tend to respond to, with shared issues more from jokes and not life outlook.

            Me, I think you just tried to jump the grand canyon on a tricycle, and failed miserably, because all evidence to someone with your English ability should be able to pick up facts, not your misguided conclusion that you just typed here…

    • 老外

      You’re amazingly heartless. All four of my grandparents grew up in conditions such as these. My father’s dad was the youngest of 16 children, and they were extremely poor. They all survived, and they were successful.

      My father and his brothers grew up very well, because of the sacrifices his father’s parents made for their children. They grew up in horrible poverty, but they eventually overcame it. Sometimes, the children had to go to work, but it helped them in the long run.

      Despite the fact that my father and his brothers grew up well, two of his brothers died. Everyone deserves a chance to live, and nobody should take that away from them.

      If it weren’t for them, I’d never be born. Just because people are poor, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to have children.

    • 平凡人

      I came from an average family during the sixties, life style then in current context would classified us as poor. My dad had four children and we had to take loan to go through college; my dad could not afford to send us all to college. 3 of us went on to complete our postgraduate degree.

      My dad never put did his hope on us but he provided us our basic needs . We took part time jobs and manage our own finances in college; today I respect both my parents and I never for once felt that they did not provide enough.

      My dad told me when I was young, “be what you want, your actions determines your fate”. Personally, I think everyone has the right to have children, as long as they give them the basic necessity and teach them the right things; the kids should grow up fine. They may not be rich but they will be fine peopel.

      • eattot

        oh yeah!
        a couple of idiots both with chinese names. when you write your bitter past you should think about it’s china, first they already obey the law, and the fairity in china is much lower,two idiots!
        time is different now, open your eyes and take a look!
        at that time, most people were poor and the cost of bringing up a kid was not that much, but now?
        kids have dignity too, once they see others kids dress well, play good toys…they will hate parents too.when i was a kid, most of classmates also dressed repaired old clothes, so we did not feel anything.
        do not describe yourself experience, i hate poor people have several kids.do you know how many kids died from starving in africa per year?

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          I finally understand the mask bit: good cop, bad cop.

          Well, maybe not “good cop” per se, and maybe not “bad cop” either, more like “Bad Lieutenant”.

          • Nyancat

            That movie wasn’t all that bad :)

          • Tengu

            Harvey Keitel version?

        • 平凡人

          I am Chinese, given an opportunity to study and work overseas and now I am back working for a Chinese company. I am much older than you think and I have seen much worse scenario. Still holding a Chinese Identity Card.

  • Jerome Cole

    The sofa is mine!

    • Just John

      Given there are 6 others before you in this particular post, you should at least post some opinion to something before you uselessly claim what has already been claimed by 6 others before you…

      In other words, GTFO my internets, your clogging the tubes with your uselessness.

      • Jerome Cole

        I am not retarded! My dad says I am very special! Ahhhhhhhh!

        • Just John

          lol, good comeback.
          I would +1 you, but it seems there is no implement of that feature yet.

          Maybe we could solicit Fauna to add more features so we can get an even better experience. Something like the “Funny” or “Insightful” function on another blog I love, or the +1 on another of my favorite.

          I also like some features where blogs will re-post some of the best comments, letting users of the blog know that their opinions are valued and that we are part of the active community, not just spectators talking to each other.

          Ok, enough shilling from me about how to make blog readers feel more valued in the products they consume.

          • monyxie

            +1 for the suggestion.

  • Charlie

    God that’s sad.

  • Ben

    Poor children caught in a vicious cycle.

  • Ahwong

    makes me wonder how lucky we…poor kids

  • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

    The Real Song of the Article

    because all the lyrics apply….

    Thunderdome
    -By the glorious, glorious Tina Turner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxxLm30mSo

    If your living behind the wall, like me

    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA0OTAzNDY0.html

    五毛党

  • Kelly

    看看深圳,真把大运当奥运了,SB,花了这么多钱。操你妈,这不让过那也不让过,装你妈什么逼啊!

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      the universiade is over, and last i heard Shenzhen is part of China, so they represent China at the world kiddie olympics. Since you’re talking about it like it ain’t, maybe you should list off someother SB places that don’t make the cut.

      And: this is so funny to me. This is like a bonus comment that you get to see in the DVD extras, but didn’t make the theatrical cut.

    • Chef Rocco

      掌嘴! 满口喷蛆!

  • MrT

    The gypsies (pikeys) in the UK used to do this all the time till Biffa (dump owners) got better security on the dumps then they have at Nuclear power stations.
    The gypsies were making a sht load of money out of scavenging, some even hit the jack pot on treasure finds.
    Those Chinese pikeys look happy enough and maybe one day they will hit the jackpot to!

    • Young Man

      Oh, what a nice person you are.

      Yeah, it’s aaaall their own fault.

  • Ryo

    Why do these people even bother to have kids? Putting them though such suffering, even I’d call it child abuse.

    • Young Man

      Exactly what Hitler said about disabled people.

      I claim the Godwin Prize.

      • Ryo

        Apples to oranges man.. Apples to oranges.

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          I dunno. Tastes like lemons to me, man.

  • Scytheria

    My question is this: Are there seriously people in China who do not know that others live like this? The number of ‘surprised and disgusted’ posts is alarming. Surely EVERYONE is aware of it? Unless you’ve lived a spoiled brat existence in a walled and guarded luxury complex I fail to see how you could not have known. Go to any city, town, village and you will see these poor, desperate people trying to subsist on your refuse and shit.

  • Anon

    @Yueraa – while us bystanders can only express indignation towards the unfairness in this society.

    What do you mean can only express indignation? Most of the bored armchair types have enough intelligence and networks to join the CCP and run for candidacy against that unfair policy maker for a start.

    The people should know who is a trouble maker even within the CCP and vote appropriately. Enough people do this, and unfairness in society ends, while CCP get’s it’s renewal and infusion of fresh blood for the next generation.

    Do more than express indignation, run the bad policy makers out by joining the CCP !

  • Iain

    Seems like unless you’re a party member, life is not good in China. How exactly is the CCP any different than the Xing dynasty? As the French say, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • Pong Lenis

    Good to see some kids not glued to their PSP or f’king phone.

    • Just John

      New advertising campaign:

      “Are your kids getting fat and lazy?
      Do they spend more time glued to the computer then getting out and exercising?
      Send them to trash camp.
      We will help them to save the planet by teaching them how to spot and recycle products.
      We will help them get out and not only exercise, but save the planet by helping solve our waste issues.
      It is free, it is fun, and they may even find a new toy to bring home.
      Trash camp, fun for everyone.”

      No one said I was good at commercial jingles…

  • Blue Eyed Devil

    Damn, I knew the Chinese bred like flies but I didn’t know they started living like them, too.

  • Kip

    Poor Kids.
    Capitalism kicked in and now you are screwed. Kudos on doing what you need to do to make a living, these parents. If your parents are as bad as they said they are, they woulda left you in the dump. If you had welfare plans, you would now be a non-employed excuse for a human, living off middle class tax dollars. How many broke americans do you see working hard to get themselves out of poverty? I do hope you make it out of there one day. I won’t lie.. Chances are not high, but good luck. I feel for you, however, due to lack of selflessness, I will first try to provide for my family before offering help to you. However, you will soon see billions of dollars in charity coming in, however, it is unlikely you will see a cent of it. I am sorry life sucks for you, but I do really look forward to getting Iphone 5… i am sorry, again.

    • Pong Lenis

      Fully agree, self-sacrifices need to stop at the iPhone 5.

    • Iain

      Oh ya, the PRC was a real utopia before capitalism.

  • Young Man

    I regretfully posted a message on this site before clicking the boc telling me to keep me up to date with replies.

    I jave had my inbox filled with racist and repellent ramblings. Please stop sending me other users’ comments and I promise never to post a message on your website again.

    You have some fucked up readers.

    • Just John

      LoL, that is why the email I use at most websites is an email setup so I can submit to sites I may get spam from.

      Live and learn man, live and learn.

    • Tengu

      “SOME” fucked up readers…that’s an understatement, get some Rhino skin, make a vest.

      “Racist and Repellent” is very diplomatic.

      “Leave a Comment”
      “Manage your Subscriptions”
      Pull out the ones you don’t want which seems like all of them.

      You can still post, but stay away from the “Notify me of followup comments via e-mail.” That’s where you went astray dear boy

      You can come in and review the repellent, racist rants at your own convenience, post and not worry.

      Over to you “Just John”, the kid sounds normal and outraged, we need him!

      Talk him down from the ledge.

  • Benson tan

    Are migrant workers non-citizens? Don’t they enjoy the same rights as the locals. I don’t understand why they are called migrant workers. It looks like discrimination is still rampant in China.

  • Anon

    Photo 1 ‘NPPs’ (Neuo-Pictorial-Programming) target the earlier picture of the water park crammed with people.

    Nice and evil? Or is it just ‘coincidence’? Or abit of ‘the taint’ of media site oppotunism getting to you Fauna?

  • Dan Danger

    Why can’t the #2 economy in the entire world help these kids and provide them with an education? Interesting fact: China receives more foreign aid than Ethiopia. Why should the #2 economy in the world receive any foreign aide at all and way does that foreign aide not help little children liek this? Who runs the foreign aide department here> Guo Meimei?

  • Anon

    Ooo look at pic 2. Does anyone spy with their eye, something that looks like it begins with ‘I’ ? Nice one Fauna, and the photography team too.

  • Richard Aguas

    thanks forum..over 15,000 views and close 2 500 people….

  • Richard Aguas

    shy cas

  • Richard Aguas

    same thing happened in pi….they declined putting together items by the millions….when it doesn’t get done….it gets left……..alone

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