Lady Who Helped Little Girl Run Over by Van Rewarded 25K

This is an update to our previous translated report of a 2-year-old little Chinese girl who was ran over by a van and then ignored by 18 bystanders

From NetEase:

Driver of the case where a little girl was ran over has been arrested

Summary: October 13th, at the Guangfo Hardware Market in Huangqi of Foshan. A van ran over a 2-year-old little girl twice in a small alley, a few minutes later a small truck again ran over her. Over the span of 7 minutes, over a dozen people passed by, and not one extended a helping hand. Finally, a garbage scavenger ayi [older woman] helped up the girl. The night of the 16th, both drivers responsible had been caught.

From NetEase:

Ayi who rescued child rewarded with 25,000 yuan, says will give it to the little girl who was ran over

Summary: Chen Xianmei, the Guangdong Foshan ayi who saved [the little girl] received from various departments over 25,000 RMB. She stated that she will give the money to little Yue Yue. Of the 18 “cold hearted” passersby, 3 have revealed themselves and two of them said they didn’t see the child, while the other expressed remorse and guilt. In addition, the diver responsible for hurting little Yue Yue also expressed regret and felt he let down the child’s family.

From NetEase:

Ayi who saved little girl besieged by media, says she doesn’t want to become famous

The garbage scavenging ayi Chen Xianmei who saved the 2-year-old led has recently attracted the attention of the entire nation’s media, as well as the appreciation of Foshan, Guangzhou’s various government bureaus. Hundreds of domestic and foreign media rushed here to report on her. Her phone became a hotline, but she repeatedly said she does not want to be famous, and that her and her family’s lives have already been affected by the “assault” from the media.

Chen Xiamei, the garbage scavenger ayi who helped a little girl who had been run over twice and ignored by other bystanders.

Chen Xianmei, the garbage scavenging ayi that previously rescued 2-year-old Little Yue Yue, recently attracted the attention of the entire nation’s media. Both domestic and foreign media one after another rushed over to interview and report [on her]. Chen Xianmei expressed, “This is just a small thing. At the time, I just wanted to help a little. I didn’t think too much about it. There’s not much to say.”

Chen Xiamei, the garbage scavenger ayi who helped a little girl who had been run over twice and ignored by other bystanders, meeting the media.

In response to the accusation of “seeking fame” that some netizens previously made, the garbage scavenging ayi Chen Xianmei expressed that she truly isn’t seeking fame, did not think of seeking anything in return, and that helping someone isn’t a big deal. During interviews with journalists, Chen Xianmei was constantly receiving calls from the media, her mobile phone having become a hotline. Chen Xianmei ayi complained to this reporter that she has received too many calls over the past two days, and too many journalists coming to interview her, both having already affected her and her family’s normal lives, that their landlord has also expressed that too many journalist interviews has also affected the landlord.

Chen Xiamei, the garbage scavenger ayi who helped a little girl who had been run over twice and ignored by other bystanders, receiving a reward for her good deed.

October 17th, Guangdong Foshan, Chen Xianmei accepting the Nanhai District Civilization Office’s appreciation, thoroughly reluctantly accepting the reward money. As a simple person, she kept repeating, “I didn’t help her for money.”

Chen Xiamei, the garbage scavenger ayi who helped a little girl who had been run over twice and ignored by other bystanders.

Chen Xiamei, the garbage scavenger ayi who helped a little girl who had been run over twice and ignored by other bystanders.

Photo is of October 17th, Guangdong Foshan. Chen Xianmei is at the appreciation ceremony organized by the local government, and her phone is still constantly ringing.

Chen Xiamei, the garbage scavenger ayi who helped a little girl who had been run over twice and ignored by other bystanders.

October 17th, Guangdong Foshan, Chen Xianmei answering constant telephone questions from journalists while on her way to pick up her grandson.

Comments from NetEase:

深夜一根烟 [网易江西省网友]:

We cannot overly criticize anything the passersby did or didn’t do. To be honest, ever since we had the Nanjing judge [see previous post for explanation], the entire society has took a turn for the worse when it comes to this issue. If we did not have this video, I don’t know if whether or not this ayi would be this lucky [in being rewarded for her actions].

网易陕西省手机网友:

The Nanjing judge is the 19th passerby to not save the dying!

.xulin289 [网易浙江省绍兴市网友]:

Although this sound bad, the reality is that 90% of the people will be just like those 18 people, what they would actually do is often times not the same as what they say.

lovedingxu1 [网易四川省成都市网友]:

The reward money should be provided by the Nanjing court.

网易丹麦手机网友:

Heartache, China’s shame.

yyjz0422 [网易广东省广州市网友]:

Begging all the media, leave lady Xian [ayi] alone! Or else no one will become a Good Samaritan; you’ve all seriously intruded on her normal life.

网易江苏省泰州市网友:

Remorse? What were they doing earlier? Would people who had humanity just stand by and watch such a gruesome scene? Chinese people, ignoring what doesn’t affect them personally, sometimes not having everyone gather around to watch out of curiosity is already good enough!

网易湖南省岳阳市网友:

If it was me, I would only call the police and then walk away, I would not help her up. Reason is as follows: 1, afraid of being accused, afraid that as soon as I saved her, her parents would come out accusing me of hurting her. 2, after saving her no one will claim her, and I have to foot the medical expenses, if her parents do not show up then it would be hard for me to leave/remove myself from the situation. 3, In the circumstance that we still do not know the specifics of the traffic accident, I’m afraid if I save her then the police will catch me as the perpetrator, I can only think of these, I hope other netizens can add more. If there are people who agree with me, please repost, and I also hope the editor/author will not delete this post, as I too am a good person/law-abiding citizen.

网易北京市海淀区网友:

According to the logic of the Nanjing and Tianjin [There was a case similar to the Peng Yu case in Tianjin this year] judges, if they weren’t pushed by you, then how could she have been hit by the car? Don’t think that just because you weren’t driving the car you aren’t responsible. If there’s anything our judges are capable of it is finding ways to find you culpable/responsible, and have you pay compensation/fines.

网易山东省济南市网友:

Those netizens who say the ayi only did it for fame, may your future child be born without a butthole.

On Sina Weibo, “retweeted” over 200k times with over 40k comments…

@微博小秘书:

Please stop indifference! From now on, little secretary [referring to self] advocates that everyone use #stop the indifference# as the tag to post on weibo. The tragedy of Little Yue Yue getting ignored by 18 people should never happen again, that morality should not go astray and conscious still remain. From now on let’s begin helping those around us who needs help; caring about others is caring about ourselves.

What do you think? Do you believe people would really do what they say they would do in these kinds of situations?

  • Raggamuffin

    Hopefully people will get up off their sofas next time someone is in need.

    This really has been an extreme case of the “Bystander Effect” though.

    • John Dalton

      You are mistaken. What occurred in this incident cannot be attributed to “Bystander Effect,” the diffusion of responsibility occurring in a crowd of people when one person thinks another person is going to help.

      The video illustrates individuals making individual choices not to help and these individuals are accountable for the consequences of their inaction.

      • Chef Rocco

        Not exactly, as I understand, the diffusion of responsibility doesn’t necessarily mean all the people must be on the scene simultaneously.

        If you were the first one who saw the girl on street, you might think: why me? there will be more passersby coming to see this, let them handle it. The following passersby may have seen the people ahead of them, thinking: these people ahead of me didn’t do nothing, why me? and there are more people coming.

        Remember Bystander effect is a psychological activity, if the surroundings make people think they could dump the responsibility to others, it will take effect.

        • Jay

          Is that really how YOU would think?

          Or is that you excusing the people who walked by?

          • Dando Z

            From a behavioral perspective, that’s totally irrelevant. They don’t call it black box psychology for nothing.

          • Somethin Somethin

            I’m going with John on this one. The Bystander Effect should take place in a crowd or large group in which people delay action due to the nature of the group. I don’t believe you can make the same assumption in these individual peoples cases. Especially those on motorbikes.

    • Jay

      I disagree that this was “Bystander Effect”.

      “Bystander Effect” essentially is: the larger the crowd, the lower the chance for any one individual to help the person.

      There was no crowd.

      Almost all of the people who passed by were alone, or with one other person.

      They had no relationship to the person in need, and in China that means you don’t have to do anything for them.
      No relationship = you mean nothing to me.

      That’s the culture in China.

      In China:
      All are not created equal, if we have a relationship, I am above or below you in status, not equal. If we have no relationship, you are an obstacle to get past.

      • Dando Z

        The phenomenon has little to do with the density of the crowd or whether people appeared to be alone as they walked through the camera’s narrow field of vision. The presence of ANY other bystanders GREATLY decreases an individual’s likelihood to render aid.

        No matter what country we’re talking about, only a tiny fraction of people ever stop to help strangers. China is not at all unique in this regard, and I think people who conjecture that each passerby was ‘alone’ and unaware of the presence of the other 18 are grasping at straws to find support for their armchair sociological observations.

        • Jay

          Whereas you are not are grasping at straws to find support for your armchair sociological observations.

          Clearly.

          • Dando Z

            Shorter Jay: NO U

            Maybe your Occam’s Razor cleaves toward your elaborate and thoroughly original explanations for why Chinese people uniquely just don’t give a shit. Through the myopic lens of cultural essentialism, clearly, that’s the simplest explanation.

          • Jay

            Supply:
            1- your degree and date of completion in sociology.
            or
            2- years that you have lived in China

            Me: No degree in sociology, though I did take a few classes.
            Lived in China, interacting with all classes of Chinese people on a daily basis… more than 10 years and counting.

            I know whereof I write.

            You almost certainly do not.

          • Jay

            “your elaborate and thoroughly original explanations for why Chinese people uniquely just don’t give a shit”

            Nope. Not elaborate, and certainly not original.

            I got it from Chinese writers writing about their own culture, and from my own decade of observations.

            Fei Xiaotong, a Chinese anthropologist, in “Peasant Life in China” (1939) examined how social obligations were determined by the closeness of relationships.

            He called this a concentric pattern of social relations with positions measured by how close one stood in relation to the actor. The more distant from the actor, the weaker the claim, so that ultimately one did not have any obligation to people unknown to oneself.

            Both Lu Xun and Guo Morou noted similar things in their writings.

            ‘I don’t know you, therefore you aren’t.’ is simply part of the mindset here.

            It will not change quickly. No matter what laws they enact.

        • B

          Lay it off, it was a 2 year old in a pool of blood with 17 individuals who one by one arrived to the scene and made the decision not to care. this was not bystander effect, it was a moral crash.

          • Dando Z

            The editing of the video makes it seem like they ignored her one-by-one, but the sequence of events isn’t really all that important.

            The presence of others is enough to diffuse responsibility, even if that presence is only imagined. And as this occurred in a place where people of shopping, it doesn’t take a significant stretch of the imagination for passerby #1 to assume passersby #2 through n might stop to help.

            Not my problem. Just getting soy sauce. At a hardware store.

          • Jay

            “The editing of the video…”

            If you knew anything about China, you would know that the government NEVER releases ANYTHING that could damage China. This video was shown on television in Guangdong. On the news.

            If edited, it was edited to make it seem LESS horrific.

          • Tom

            I wouldn’t of helped either. No one knew that camera was there. If someone helped that girl and they had a car, then they would be accused of running the girl over, driving away to park their car, then walking back to help. That trash lady saved the kid because she has nothing to lose by helping her.

            When I am in China I stay with my Chinese relatives. One of my first times there my sister asked me, “Gege if you see someone fall on the floor would you help them up?” I said, “Yes, likely if they cannot get up themselves.” She told me that she would not even if she wanted to because the person that fell on the ground may accuse her of pushing her down in the first place.

            Could you imagine if I helped? That mother would be screaming, “look at what this foreigner did to my daughter.”

            The mother should have been watching her child a little more closely. I still find it unsettling that a lot of children in China play outside unsupervised in busy roads and a 2 year old girl is not tall enough to be seen by some drivers.

          • Chad

            “If you knew anything about China, you would know that the government NEVER releases ANYTHING that could damage China.”

            Which is EXACTLY why this video was released. Geniuses all around here.

        • Mark

          “The phenomenon has little to do with the density of the crowd or whether people appeared to be alone as they walked through the camera’s narrow field of vision.”

          Absolutely 100% false.

          The Bystander Effect has everything to do with how many people there are nearby, that is what the entire effect is.

          CREDENTIALS : Graduate Level and a year Ph.d work in Sociology.

          • 麵條

            Not another cultural relativist deconstrutionalist apologetic appeasing arse licker from such and such bullshoit university suffering from OMO brainsnap.
            I bet your not even a Mark, just some sort of number one cut orange haired wannabe strap on dildo that you could pick up from the sex shop for twobob, I’d bet you’d love two bob, heard he reams out pollups like I eat oysters.
            Credentials: Bachelor of cultural relativist genocide.

          • chris
    • Brett Hunan

      EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH BYSTANDER EFFECT!!

      Don’t you see what just mentioning it does to these people?

  • Suijen

    Talk is cheap, and action speaks louder than words.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      China would reply with: “Money talks, bullshit walks.”

      I think the best aphorism to sum up China is: “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Put in something else in there regarding bureaucracy and clinging to old traditions that don’t fit in with a modern world and you’ll be done.

      • Just John

        o, can I throw in some cool sayings too?

        “Sticks and stones may break my bones,
        but whips and chains excite me”.

        I win for best saying!

    • http://chinashmina.com Augis

      I agree.

      Even though the accusations that she did it for fame is absolute nonsense – I think anyone in situation of victim could care less about the motives of the savior.

      She helped. Point.

  • Nick

    Hope she takes advantage of this momentary fame… A crusader of good Samaritanism?

    • Brett Hunan

      She doesn’t want it and I don’t blame her. Clearly she had no idea there was a camera there watching her as she tried to help.

      It came down to she is also a mom (and grandmom) so she had her priorities straight. Compared to granny, if any one of those passerbyers are parents then they are seriously heartless lowlifes.

      To posters above- stop trying to rationalize what happened. It took 850+ comments in the related article and everyone still has no idea what the fuck they are taking about.

      • Tengu

        Sadly she did what was natural to her due to obvious maternal instincts.

        People bitching about how she picked up Yueyue wrong and caused her death, she did it for fame and money, it’s ridiculous.

        Yueyue was doomed after the first truck hit her, the poor thing.

        An act of kindness which came naturally for her and now her life is ruined; her simple act of compassion has been questioned, she had no agenda, no motive, she did what was natural to her.

        • 麵條

          It’s not her fault the authorities never provided her with a basic knowledge of first aid…Check for breathing, clear airways….etcetc.
          What a waste of money that would be….fuck there’s enough people to go round, why waste our precious money informing the public how to save lives? We’ll be forever handing out 25krmb to any would be do-gooder that can’t grasp the concept of malthusian theory with Maoist/Xiaopingist characteristics.

          • GodsHammer

            Yeah… wait right there in the middle of the road so you can both get run over, right?

          • 麵條

            25krmb to you, the Gold medal winner for….not stopping traffic and being run over.
            300krmb if you are a retired soldier. And the price of a lethal injection if you are a six months pregnant woman that already has two kids.
            Wanker!

  • Danny

    GDP first. People second.

  • Cixxer

    Now we know there are at least one good soul out of millions of rotten ones

  • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

    Song of the Article

    Hold Strong
    – The Good Samaritan Music Project

    • M.N

      How about….
      Kanye West – Stronger

      • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

        How about you shut the fcuk up!

        you can watch Kanye West- Stronger at

        http://www.56.com/u89/v_MTg4NzEzMjY.html

        or you can listen to

        Hold Strong
        – The Good Samaritan Music Project

        http://www.myspace.com/tgsmp

        for the only “Song of the Article”

        remember yueyue
        respect Ayi Chen Xianmei
        fcuk the nanjing judge

        and seriously fcuk yall!

        五毛党!

        • M.N

          Yo,yo,yo….you gotta take out your frustration on that 18 passerby n those selfish and cruel 2 drivers…..not on us Kedafu….and thanks for uploading the links….carry on with your article songs mate and don’t lose your cool…..

  • A.

    The only reason this ayi got awarded so much money is because of all the attention this girl’s case has gotten. Really, this stuff happens here in China all the time. I’m not saying that she shouldn’t be rewarded or that she shouldn’t have tried to save the little girl, but for every other person who tries to save someone who got hit by a car? They don’t get that. Why? Because hardly anyone ever does.

    • Mr.T

      Well now more people will try to help on the off chance they will get money, I see can see the point of rewarding the old women.
      Better then it carry s on the way it has been doing, people to scared to do anything in case it costs them money.
      I remember the first bit of advice I got when I landed in China and one day I went to stop a beating, do no get involved it will cost me money.
      I was like what the fuck?

      • Wallimo

        Theres a difference between helping a child run over by a car and trying to break up a fight or say a boyfriend/ husband beating down on his gf/ wife, the difference is you won’t get a beating by helping the child. Also why couldn’t someone passively help this girl surely they could a call an ambulance and b block the road untill help arrived. Blaming a judge in Nanjing is a cop out.

        • TraderPaul

          I live in Vancouver, and on any given weekend there will be a few drunken fights in the downtown entertainment district. And bystanders will usually step in to break up a fight, or rush to assist an injured bleeding person. Of-course there is a risk of getting sued, and there have been such cases. But this does not stop bystanders from getting involved. We do not stop and worry about lawsuits when someone else is suffering 2 feet in front of our own eyes. It’s just human nature to help another human being. But in China, something else more perverse is going on. Perhaps the motto for the Beijing Olympics shouldn’t be “One World One Dream.” It should instead be “Don’t Help Others…Don’t Get Involved…Mind Your Own Business.”

        • Mr.T

          OK I got a better one.
          One day walking past Mc-Donolds.
          Girl jumps over the central reservation, car hits her head on, could hear a lot of bones break, she lied there, stunned. Not one fucker went over to check her out, no one bothered to run over to the other side of the road to wake the copper up at the check point box, who hadn’t seen it. People just walked pass like nothing happened. While I stood there in shock and contemplating what I should do, the driver picked her up and chucked in back of the car and drove off. My delay in my head to respond was because of how other people behaved around me and that I been constantly told not to get involved with anything.
          Where did the driver take her to,Hospital or River?
          Wasn’t his fault I might add and he was in panic, but was the panic about? Her injury or the cost to him.

      • Snarl

        I’ve received the same advice, Mr.T. I ignored it. A reward for the old lady is not in bad form, although I would imagine that she was just doing what she felt was natural and right, so she might not fully understand why she’s even being rewarded, or in the spotlight for that matter. It would just p*$$ off the city-bred elitists in China if countryside girls got the better of them, which I would imagine is inevitable at this point. I’ve never been told to “just stay out of it” by country folk.

      • A.

        That is a very good point, though at the heart it doesn’t change the issue of selfishness taken to an extreme. Knowing how it is here, people will line up on the street waiting for someone to get hit by a car, then rush to that person trying to help. Then there will be a massive fight over who “got there first” or something else just as ridiculous, and the person who was hit will die while everyone else is fighting over them.

        Or something like that.

        It’s sad that I can picture that *way* too perfectly in my mind.

  • Alex

    this is just getting worse

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      It’s true; in China’s 5000 years of history, no one has ever uttered these words.

      Also accpeted: Star Wars canon-friendly “I have a bad feeling about this”

      • Sunshine

        “It’s true; in China’s 5000 years of history, no one has ever uttered these words.”

        Then you haven’t been out much. The little people (not literally) of China have been saying it for years.

        • 麵條

          阳光, here here. Let a hundred flowers bloom, The white lotus, The yellow turbans, Zheng Chenggong, Xinhai, May 4, Democracy wall, Tiananmen.
          And the countless brave individuals disappeared, locked up, beat up, and petitioning today, who seem to have been ignored by those that would castigate Chinese society as being totally apathetic to one’s fellow human beings.

          • Sunshine

            The problem is, though, that the people still lack enough compassion/courage/wit to actually do anything substantial about it. Alas, the time is still not right for retribution. Maybe when the people can no longer be described as 一盘散沙, and when they are no longer afraid of the consequences of standing up to their government….

        • 麵條

          Leave retribution for the courts. Sadly however, Tiananmen has scared the crap out of most. And in any case the 80′s and 90′s generation wouldn’t have a clue and are just busy trying to make an rmb. Of the younger generation I’ve met and spoken to in China the majority are politically and historically ignorant, and really don’t give a fuck anyway.
          Who wants to be jam for bitumen after being crushed by a tank?

          • Sunshine

            I’m an 89′er and I am too quite frustrated by the lack of interest in REAL matters displayed by some people my age. But it might not be quite as scary as you believe. Most of my peers can actually hold their own in a conversation short of the conventional teenage topics.
            Still, the general trend in China is:
            The older generation is too tired to care.
            The younger generation is taught not to care.

          • 麵條

            阳光性感宝贝儿, Your English is quite good.

          • Sunshine

            I appreciate the title but it’s a little too soon don’t you think? ;)
            I have been living in an English-speaking country half my life. It would be quite sad if my English wasn’t up to par.
            I have read enough of your comments to be curious: are you an English speaker learned in Chinese, or vice versa?

          • 麵條

            呵呵, 你就的呢?

          • Sunshine

            My instinct tells me that you are of English mother-tongue, learned in the ways of the Chinese. Amirite?

          • 麵條

            That’s possible, your powers of perception have been sharpened where?

          • Sunshine

            Or, it could be that your mother tongue is neither English nor Chinese, but you are learned in both, is the sense that I’m actually getting now… hmm…..

          • 麵條

            Hahaha, my mother’s toungue is sharp, witty, compassionate, humourous, and Italian….

          • Sunshine

            I was right! Damn. Some times I surprise even myself at how good I am.
            What do you know, my boss is Italian!

          • 麵條

            Who’s talkin politics, I was referring to his……dark side…

        • 麵條

          For your sake I hope his last name isn’t Berlusconi…..

          • Sunshine

            Lol no… my boss is much less apathetic towards politics… though I’m not entirely too sure if that’s any better in a democratic country. He was the owner of the winery I work at (and am procrastinating at) and is now the winemaker. Italian wine… nomnom.

          • Sunshine

            Are you suggesting that I cannot possibly be innocent enough to not get the reference???
            And you would be right.
            I have been on the internet way too long.

          • 麵條

            I would never assume as such, you’re a smart gurl.
            Would love to have met you in another life.
            But alas, I am doomed in this life to be nothing but a trollop…Berlusconi, I feel your anguish

  • Al green

    Those cursing the children of others are as evil, heartless and inhuman as the ones who walked around yueyue’s little body

  • Snarl

    One commenter summarized the prevailing mentality succinctly as follows:

    “1, afraid of being accused, afraid that as soon as I saved her, her parents would come out accusing me of hurting her. 2, after saving her no one will claim her, and I have to foot the medical expenses, if her parents do not show up then it would be hard for me to leave/remove myself from the situation.”

    To this, I would respond that this is placing
    1) The value of the poster’s livelihood above the life of the girl
    and
    2) The value of the poster’s money above the life of the girl

    It’s not so much the video of the event, but the widespread defense of the passers by that signals to me that China is screwed.
    Most people that I know, including myself, would gladly part with everything I own to save a life that so clearly, and so obviously wouldn’t stand a chance of survival if not for immediate, direct intervention, which only I was in the position (or had the willingness) to save. The value of life is certainly a lot higher than the few thousand dollars it would have taken to save it in this situation.

    • Suijen

      Snarl, you are saying that you would your year’s salary to help a random stranger?

      That’s very noble of you, and there are a number of people who have and do the same. Before the Guo Mei Mei controversy, there was a factory manager who donated 1/2 his salary and his blood to the Red Cross. He received media fame.

      But you’re saying that the majority of people would do so. But let’s be honest, how many people are really willing to do that? They have their own mouths to feed. Even in the United States, how many people are really willing to break their bank to give aid? There are a few, but let’s not pretend that they’re the majority.

      • Snarl

        What I’m saying that I think the majority of people would do is, under the specific set of circumstances that I outlined above, they would part with significant amounts of money if that was a necessary cost of saving a life. If you are the only willing person in a situation where you are in a position to save a life, then you must actively decide how much that stranger’s life worth to you, and I’m not saying everyone would part with a year’s salary or some astronomical number, I think that depends on the perceived value of the life in question and the values of the person in the situation to help, although I would hazard a guess that most people in developed countries wouldn’t mind parting with a significant portion of their material wealth in that particular set of circumstances, because life generally has more value than that. Most commonly, however, helping a person in-kind comes at little or no cost to you, like for example, rendering first aid to someone who would clearly die if you did nothing.

        • DRaY

          To be honest China has made me not care to notice people on the streets. There are so many scammers in this fucking country it really makes you turn a blind eye. You have no idea if the person on the ground is really hurt or just running some con. I have even seen ppl use kids in their scams.. I just ignore that shit.
          … But like I said in a previous post, if I was to really see someone dying on the street and I was SURE that they were DYING on the street, I would call the cops and leave. I would never stay on a crime scene in China. Too much “red tape”.

    • Boris

      There are people in third world countries all over the globe dying of poverty. So you’d give everything you have to save someone you can see, but are prepared to do Bo Diddly for those you can’t. Either you’re a raving hypocrite, or a certain orafice has taken over your faculty of speech. I’m willing to bet it’s the latter.

      • Snarl

        What’s the matter Boris, still butt hurt from earlier?
        It’s quite simple and I used a high degree of precision in the way I worded my comment for that reason. Hundreds of thousands of dollars could be consumed by logistics and greed, even in the best of charity organizations, before it ever got to some poor starving Somali infant. Neither would I be so compelled to care about the vast troubles of the world that is wholly out of reach to me. It is the responsibility of people who are there and who can make a difference to act humanely in those situations, the same as it is my responsibility to those within my reach to act humanely when it is appropriate. That doesn’t mean parting with money to save lives, but to do whatever necessary to save a life that only I am in the position or have the willingness to save. Furthermore, if you attached a dollar value to a life that you made the active decision not to save, as these 18 people did, that’s an entirely different animal from attaching a dollar value to a life that you passively decided not involve yourself with, such as some starving child in Africa. Do you understand, or do you still have a knot in your knickers?

        • Boris

          What you would do is hypothetical. You asked me if I had done anything to help people. I gave you a couple of examples. You dismissed them as untrue (I assume, from the expression you used). What have YOU done for a stranger? All I hear from you is judgement of other people, whilst living in a country you deem ‘fucked’. Why don’t YOU get off your arse and do something? Also, perhaps you’d like to substantiate the claim you made earlier that I was racist. To me that’s an accusation of the highest magnitude, and if you want the situation to escalate I’m more than happy to discuss it with you in person.

          • Snarl

            Boris, if you’re looking for a fight, you’re barking up the wrong tree. You claimed you would smash a broken bottle on someone’s face because of their credo, and you did so in direct alignment and tacit agreement with Kong, whose only basis of criticism was race. Can you still not see how that’s racist?
            If you want to make up stories about how you’ve been such a good boy, come up with better stories next time. Nobody’s going to believe some 16 year old ragamuffin took on the Russian mob. Puleaze. You play too many video games.
            On a side note, I haven’t said where I live.

          • Boris

            Thinking that Kong’s comment was racist is just as stupid as thinking mine was. You’re good with rhetoric -not so much with interpretation. Your assessment of me is wide off the mark. I offer you the chance to meet me so you can see whether that assessment is correct or not, and you back down. If you don’t have the courage of your convictions over this matter, why should anyone believe you’d give everything you own to help a stranger?

          • Tengu

            @ You douche-bags in this thread except Boris and Kong.

            Not to put too fine a point on it, but Uzbekistan does have a Russian mob presence, but it’s minor, not like Odessa, Saint Petersburg, Moscow or even New York City.

            They’re also not as violent as they are in Odessa or Moscow, due to demographics, massive military presence and human rights issues. The Uzbeks are primarily middle men nothing of note originates there, except women no one wants. Everything has to be imported. The poor bastards are landlocked and surrounded by other dumps.

            Ukraine, Lithuania they’re making a killing selling old Russian armament. The Lithuanians tried to sell a nuclear sub to the Colombians, but that went badly.

            SAMs and mortars are a huge money maker for all of these FSU guys. Uzbeks…not so much.

            So one of the primary income sources for this group is locked down for them by a government that’s relatively oppressive no matter what you read.

            If you fuck with their MONEY, they fuck with you, if not…go with God they have a very “middle eastern” attitude towards “guests.”

            Boris mentioned “Skinheads”, skinheads are a different breed…NOT the Russian Mob, they’re considered too hot tempered and too flighty. The Russians prefer ex-military and they recruit from “inside”…”The Theives Network.”

            So don’t go acting like you know anything about Russian Criminal Organizations.

            The Russian mob is smarter than the Mafia, the Camorra, the ‘Ndrangheta and the Mexican or Colombian Cartels. Mexicans currently are the most violent, Zetas winning hands down, they’re ex-military and nuts. I will omit any reference to Asian Organized Crime since it’s not germane and may be considered inflammatory or “Racist.”

            You nimrods seem to get so fucking upset about perceived racism and when someone says they’d bash you in the head with a bottle it makes you cry. Has Hongjian ever threatened to have you “Kunts” shot yet? Gassed? Jesus, I hope not, you’ll be running for the exits.

            Besides you have all the answers, you mooks are the male counterpoint to Myriam, simply pushing an agenda, no debate, just trying to force your opinion down one everyone else’s throats and losing sight of the actual issue…a dead baby.

            And with your magnanimous bullshit you ARE acting the part of a great white savior coming to redeem the savages in a country bereft of culture, morals and decency, but have the temerity to call anyone who calls you on it racist. How dare you.

            I had a bit of a back and forth the other day with Kong, a bit of “discourse” one might say in the end it all worked out. Do I respect him, yes. He made salient points. Why not, that’s what this is all about. I appreciated his commentary and his feedback, but you fucks won’t budge and inch..no one is smarter than you.

            As an aside, Uzbeki food is fucking dreadful and the women aren’t what one would associate with other FSU countries…i.e. they’re not Ukrainians…uni-brows and big round faces are the norm, if he could survive there for a week or two he has balls, it’s a shithole.

            “Most people that I know, including myself, would gladly part with everything I own to save a life that so clearly, and so obviously wouldn’t stand a chance of survival if not for immediate, direct intervention, which only I was in the position (or had the willingness) to save.”

            Why is the word “willingness” in there after such proud chest bursting bravado, what would make you “unwilling?” Do you have criteria you would use to grade those who are lucky enough to receive your benevolence, is it a sliding scale, totally subjective or a complex algorithm you devised.

            Save your inane platitudes for someone who gives a shit.

            You say you would gladly give everything you own:
            Le Bret to Cyrano – “Sing what you will to the world my friend , but speak the truth to me.”

            Such a lovely song from the perch in your ivory tower, but when the rubber hits the road what would you really do…you don’t really know do you?

            I’ll say it now, you’re right, you’re geniuses, you’re amazing..such insight.
            AND
            I’ll take my answer off the air please. You’re all tedious in your childlike tenacity to have someone say your right.

            $1,000USD on Boris if he decides to “discuss it with you in person.”

          • Snarl

            Tengu,
            “So don’t go acting like you know anything about Russian Criminal Organizations.”
            After reading this line, I just started laughing. You’re a piece of work aren’t you? I can copy-paste a Wikipedia article too, but it doesn’t mean squat.

            You get your head out of your arse and put it into Boris’ right about here:

            “Why is the word “willingness” in there after such proud chest bursting bravado, what would make you “unwilling?” Do you have criteria you would use to grade those who are lucky enough to receive your benevolence, is it a sliding scale, totally subjective or a complex algorithm you devised.”

            And that my friend is why I called it “precisely worded” — If the dying bloke is a mass murdering fcukhead then I probably wouldn’t have much willingness to save him, now would I? The value of life is obviously not a universal constant across all humans. But you would know all about that, wouldn’t you.

          • Boris

            -Tengu, cosy in here, isn’t it?
            -Yeah, but it’s a bit dark.
            -I know. We’ll have to put up with candles until the lights are installed. Hold up a sec… what’s that noise?
            (enter Snarl)
            -Snarl, what on earth are you doing here?
            -Long story short, but I’ve got the entire London Philharmonic up mine rehearsing Rimsky Korsakov.
            -Flight?
            -Yeah, Flight. Hell of a racket they’re making. I can’t think straight.
            -We can tell that by your posts!
            -Anyway, mind if I join you two here?
            -Not at all. Make yourself at home. I’ll just go and put the kettle on…

          • Tengu

            @ Snarl.
            If you would be a dear, please post the Wikipedia article I simply did a Copy/Paste from.

            I’d love to see it verbatim, that would be great
            Thanks in advance.

            Some, nay , many of us have travelled extensively across many continents and while not wanting to admit this I would guess I am much older than you, in fact my daughter is most likely older than you, I say this simply because the theoretical episodes you posit are so high-handed, lofty and out of the realm of possibility, they have all the markings of the “know it all” sophomoric ramblings of a student where all is theory, but empirical evidence is still unavailable and beyond your ken.

            Aha, the “precisely worded ” sentence is why I went so awry. My apologies, your iron trap snared me you sly devil.

            You have Selective Savior Syndrome.

            “If the dying bloke is a mass murdering fcukhead” – You probably wouldn’t know he was “mass murdering fcukhead” since he was in the process of dying, now would you or do you run a background check in-site?

            Since your hypothetical happens in a foreign country you wouldn’t be privy to every “fcukhead” wanted for violent criminal activity, now would you?

            There are ways which people can die with few visible signs, same situation, Boris hits you in the chest with a baseball bat, you’re dying of internal injuries, for all intents and purposes you’re a guy groaning on the ground, but nonetheless you’re still a dying “fcukhead”, unless you’re a thoracic surgeon you wouldn’t know this, now would you?

            “And that my friend is why I called it “precisely worded”” – In review I don’t see any reference your phrase “precisely worded” , but you’re so thin-skinned and subject to overt grandiosity I’ll accept the fact you said it somewhere, besides, you’d simply argue the point which is normal behavior for anyone with a pathology similar to yours.

            I do notice “high degree of precision”, but evidently you don’t fact check your own musings since you’re not actually quoting yourself, you’re paraphrasing which makes the quotes on “precisely worded” all the more indicative of your inflated self importance. You are not quotable. You are simply belligerent, caustic and unyielding in your own self-righteousness.

            “Most people that I know, including myself, would gladly part with everything I own to save a life…”

            In this my friend I agree with you whole heartedly. I would gladly spend everything you own to save a life, just like your friends would….not so “precisely worded.”

            You’re putting words in your friends mouths, just like you do everyone else here.

            While I admire your sincerity in some ways, you negate it by your absolute lack of tangible facts and knowledge of realistic human behavior. You say this with such high minded fervor, but when the rubber hits the road, what would you really do?

            You don’t know…you know that and I know that.

            You’ve never been tested.

            When you finally realize “theory” and “knowledge” are distinctly different you may have a chance, but until you’ve actually experienced a dying person, seen someone die, had someone die in your hands, felt that last breath leave them, seen that rhythmic pulse of exiting blood cease, you’ll never know will you. And to answer your question which I can already anticipate…YES!

            If you ever get to Odessa or Moscow let me know, I have some friends who can show you around, one is in the Kremlin…no bullshit.

            Saint Petersburg is the most beautiful of all those places, but you have to time it so you can see Lopatkina dance “Swan Lake” at the Mariinsky, she’s magnificent.

            You can see Vishneva dance in the US , she dances with the ABT in NYC, I saw her dance “Carmen” in July , the same week I returned from Shanghai (in on Tuesday, out on Friday), she’s arguably the most gifted artist across all mediums you will ever see, she’s breathtaking and gorgeous.

            You see my beamish boy, if you actually want to see the “Russians”, you must go see the ballet over there it’s like baseball to them.

            I wish you all the best in your quest to make everyone kneel in front of you and worship your excessive knowledge, but you’ve comer to the wrong place.

            Hey, look at the silver lining, Myriam is a fan…look who’s hitched their wagon to your star, you’re known by the company you keep, but you would know all about that, wouldn’t you.

            Good luck my friend, maybe we will agree on another post, but you have the appearance of someone who holds a grudge deeply. more’s the pity!

            BTW – On a side note, “I haven’t said where I live.” You’re a citizen of the US and no one cares where you live.

          • Just John

            Mr. Know-It-All
            - You guys are stupid for wearing those dorky blue uniforms. You should be like me and wear these cool brown… oh shit, wait a minute.
            http://www.motifake.com/facebookview.php?id=35454

          • Boris

            …and so it came to pass that our brave knight fled the field of conflict with his battle cry of ‘looossseeerrr’ trailing behind him in the wind…
            Keep up the snarl, Snarl. Send my regards to Andre Previn, go easy removing the timpani, and before you cast the first stone in the future, pause a moment to consider this sage advice: don’t go wrestling with a pig; you’ll both get covered in shit… but only the pig will have enjoyed itself.

        • B

          Snarl I second your comment.

          • myriam

            third,

            and Boris IS a douchebag, means he is someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and asshole, however not yet reached fucker or motherfucker. But he is on a very good way to achieve that too !

          • Boris

            Sweetie,
            ‘and Boris… has… however not yet reached (the level of) fucker or motherfucker.’ -Few people I know would agree with you on that one! : D Swivel!

          • Tengu

            Fuck you both, I’m with Boris!

          • Snarl

            Tengu, looks like your strength in numbers game has failed. Unlike you, I have a job, so I don’t post here much during the week, but if you’re still interested in getting your arse rhetorically kicked (again) next weekend, hit me up.
            Boris, your charade is up. You can go on playing the fool, but in writing, most people look at substance over form, so the more you go on, the more you’re looking like an even bigger loser.

          • Tengu

            LOL, I’ll have my accountant call yours.

            Next week, same time same place, I’ll wear my helmet, I’m not thin skinned and I never hold grudges.

            No strength in numbers gambit at all, I happen to like Boris and Kong I know they’re not a racist.

            We all heat up sometimes and this has been one of the most sensitive issues that ash come out since I’ve been posting.

            Hey, it was only a bottle, he could have threatened you with something more irrational, like mustard gas, flaying your flesh or even trepanation…just a good old bar fight, old school. Never anything wrong with that, everyone needs be in one a few times.

            Lot of flaming, going on, to be honest, made for an interesting run of comments, irateness and bombast.

            Unfortunately it was all over a little girl, none of it changes her fate, helpless/hopeless rage has a way of being vented in various ways.

            Sadly, Yueyue is still dead and another one went right after in Sichuan.

            It’s an insane world all over.

            Flintlocks at 20 paces when next we meet, we can use mine…well yours will be the flintlock, I’ll use the Ruger ratchet, who said life was fair.

          • Just John

            You know, my ex wife was a mother.
            Does that make me a mother fucker?

      • Tengu

        I worked with some rabid Republicans, one night at dinner I asked:

        “Wouldn’t you pay another 10-15% Income tax knowing everyone was fed, every kid had an education, we eradicated homelessness, everyone had access to healthcare and no one had to worry about dying on the street because their pension fund was savaged by some shithead on Wall Street?”

        They answered …”NO!”

        These are people with second homes, multiple cars we’re spending a small fortune on dinner.

        So while the US Government itself may have decent track record on humanitarian aid (If you have something we need we’ll give you money!), it hasn’t trickled down to where the average US Citizen would give up a dime to assist another US Citizen.

        What do we compare this isolation and indifference to each other to the streets of the US…..Foshan.

        • Snarl

          There are a variety of reasons why people wouldn’t want to pay higher income taxes and that has nothing to do with the small portion that is actually spent on worthy charitable causes. Most tax revenue goes to support inflated government salaries, foreign wars (this easily counterbalances the charitable spending of the US government, and then some), welfare to con artists (such as doctors and hospitals who scam the medicare system, or the sad, many single women who have as many babies as they can just to claim benefits), government stimulus money to major banks and corporations with special connections to the White House. The list goes on, but these are just a few reasons why people would rather keep that extra 15% of their income, and perhaps even donate some of it to causes that they think are worthy. You probably haven’t seen many of your friends’ 1040s, but I have seen thousands of 1040s, and you would be stunned to see how much some of these people donate to charities (and have the documentation to prove it).
          Be that as it may, that’s charity, and charity is entirely different from the difference you can make if a person who is literally 2m away from you is going to die if you do nothing, but would probably live if you took her to a hospital. With charities, you’re depending on someone else having that volition simply because it’s their job. I might add, most of the money spent by charity organizations, although more efficient than the morbidly corpulent amounts of money spent by the US government on welfare (not the same thing as charity, by the way), is consumed by the organization. Very little of it actually benefits the charitable cause, but still much more than the pennies on the dollar that would be achieved through government. Both charities and government spending are obviously less efficient than you could be when the opportunity presents itself. I should hope that you too wouldn’t mind dipping into your savings if it meant the difference between life or death, when you were the only person who could and would make that difference.

          • Brett Hunan

            Tengu, I think Snaggletooth has a soft spot for ya.

            Snarl, get over yourself. If you didn’t post racist comments, you wouldn’t have heard from T…. Now you are so upset that he called you out that you have to respond to every one of his posts??? That’s straight up baby shit that a tween just starting puberty would do to get revenge.

            Cut it out will ya!?

            I’m sick of reading your bullshit. Tengu, on the other hand, always has something to say. You just have to read between the lines sometimes. He has been here longer than you and (like the mob/mafia) for that he deserves respect.

          • Tengu

            @Brett, great just what I need, I think I’ll stick you guys and get the restaurant going, Rocco’s still “tweaking” the menu!.

            Some dude referred to me as “the much reviled Tengu” earlier, but he meant well oddly enough and then proceeded to shit all over Boston, where i live, it takes all kinds.

            I hated both these articles, Yueyue and Granny…BOTH victims now, but the idiocy, grandiosity and venom that was tossed about a little girl dying senselessly and Granny wanting to simply get on with her life were simply astounding.

            Some of these rants, talk about losing track of what’s important.

            Good to see you here Brett, hope all is well.

        • Gary

          They were smart enough to know that 10-15% income tax increase would not solve those things. Taxes were more than 10-15% higher in the 90′s and those things all still existed then too.

          Did you ask them how much they donate to private charities per year or do you assume only government bureaucracies can solve social problems?

          • Tengu

            They don’t donate shit, I’m the only one who donates anything…good point!

    • Suicidal tendency

      Go ahead: There’s plenty of lives out there who will happily make use of your generosity. Let’s take Somalia as an example. I can assure you that “all you own” will be quickly spent, even if you only help children to survive.
      By the time I’ve written this comment, a few died already.

      Or maybe you can rank their life based on the the distance between you and them?

      /me tired of the countless “I would do”-internet-heroes that we never see when and where they’re needed in real life…

  • 麵條

    25krmb, fuck me! I wouldn’t get out of bed for that pissant amount. I’m never saving another two year old gurl from being crushed three times ever again!

    • Corum

      You’re a retard hope you get run over. Making 300krmb isn’t a great effort either. With your attitude it’s no wonder why your pay is low for an educated retard. WOO LOOK AT MY OXYMORON

      • 麵條

        Been run over digger, left unconscious and bleeding on the bitumen with just me billabongs on, even thieved me runners.
        300krmb hey, I never knew this was a cock measuring fest. You win, big fella. All you need to do now is cut your bottom ribs out and self indulge,慢用

        • Tengu

          “Christ-on-a bike”* – I used the bottom rib routine on a troll earlier.

          I demand attribution.

          The guy who names himself after a high-end watch doesn’t get sarcasm. Psssst….you’ll have to reword it so he understands.

          - mr. weiner
          “Guo Meimei Responds to Red Cross Controversy – Part 2″
          Friday, August 26, 2011 11:16

    • lonetrey

      25k RMB ~ $4k, right?

      wtffffff is wrong with you? That’s a pissant amount?? Give me 4000 USD then! :)

      • 麵條

        @lonetrey, yeah, sorry mate, spent it at the pub over the weekend on rums, pies and nags.
        @Tengu, thought it sounded familiar……

        • Tengu

          Feel free my friend, all in a good cause…

    • TraderPaul

      That’s because you’re a coward like any other Chinese. I would save the girl, AND GIVE HER 25k RMB for tuition.

      • 麵條

        You not talk to me are you fuckwit traderpaully! hahahahaha, I take you 25krmb yankee fuckface and then I make factory and make to sell shit and make you even poor., hehehe

        • Tengu

          Noodles, you greedy yellow bastard.

          I guess he missed:
          “bleeding on the bitumen with just me billabongs on, even thieved me runners….”

          Is “thieved me runners” a common phrase in your cowardly backwards village?

          Pssst…tell him to take a rib out!

          • 麵條

            Its a great line and I’m claiming it for future purposes.
            Yes it is. Me is commonly substituted for I. Me thinks this colloquiallism is due to some crow faced old pommie schoolteacher from the 19th century scolding the local currency lads and lasses for not using properly english. Typical antipodean reaction to authoritarianism.

            I’ve still got those billabongs and the remnants of blood stains are still visible.

  • Appalled@everything

    Are they trying to turn the story into a tale of heroism?
    Yeah, when compared to all the other inhuman bastards that day this woman did something quite good, but how about running a story to inform us of what the government is going to do to stop this nation from crumbling deeper down into an abyss?
    Will this horrible tragedy change anything at all? Will any of those leeching journalists report on something we want to hear coming from this story?
    Oh OK, yeah, a new hero has been found and rewarded, yeah, um, leave her alone because she is a humble woman, she did what all the others could not do, she is amazing, look everyone, that cloud has a silver lining shaped like an old woman who scavenges through garbage!
    fuck.
    Tell us what is going to happen to stop the next Yueyue from dying in the gutter while people walk past?
    Or will it be nothing because this lady is China’s new hero and the story can be laid to rest now?

    • guizi

      > Are they trying to turn the story into a tale of heroism?

      It smells like this. I recently read a news article about the recent session of Central committee of the Communist party. The article says that the communique of this meeting says “moral” FIVE times. So perhaps we will see more of this kind of heroic news.

    • Sunshine

      The government cannot dictate the moral standards of its people easily. The problem is so deep rooted that it took hundreds of years for it to develop, and will take hundreds of years and massive effort from every one to be uprooted. What the government can do now is promote a sense of responsibility/compassion/value for human life/value for all that is good in its people through “propaganda”, which it has been doing through stories of Lei Feng to reports of this lady the good Samaritan who heroically saved little Yueyue.
      Sure, the light from this lady should not gloss over the darkness of the drivers and those who passed by doing nothing. But why shouldn’t she be praised? Why shouldn’t her act be publicized? If it will instill in one person the sense that the good is still praised, then it would have served its purpose.
      And, I may be chewing on your words, but, a lot of TV stations DID do news reports condemning the drivers and the passerbys. It might interest you to do a little digging around.

      To give the government a tiny bit of credit, it is quite difficult to govern a country housing an unprecedented 1.4 billion people. I agree that the morals of the Chinese people as a whole need much improvement, but it isn’t so easy as sitting behind a computer screen calling for someone to do something.

  • GodsHammer

    The ONLY person who actually helps the girl is the person with the LEAST to LOSE. Think about that CHINA. Sad, sad, sad…

  • McCurry

    Nice, now finally the Chinese has incentive to help injuried people, for fame and wealth! Chinese harmony yeah!

  • KaKa

    This whole thing (the little girl) has nothing to do with good or bad, brave or cowardly – it’s about instinct – it’s about whether your society and culture, family, environment and/or education raised you to “do something” when others really need you to (not only get involved, but call the ambulance, or in this case – simply stop more cars from traversing the road, anything).

    The argument that the little girl was not family or friend and therefore not their problem, or that trouble may arise from one’s actions is a rationale given or applied later – in the split second when you’re confronted with a scenario, you do not process such things – you just react – and either your reaction is to do something or to ignore it…

    … and upon seeing the crushed body of a small child, if the majority of Chinese people’s reaction is to walk on by – and one hopes it truly isn’t – then something is massively fucked up in that society.

    … besides, this Nanjing Defence i keep hearing about – does not defend the actions of those “bad Samaritans”, as, if you think about it – for a judge to convict based on the circumstantial supposition that someone committed a crime because they tried to help – only goes to suggest that the notion of helping a stranger in distress is such an alien concept in China that it would only occur due to an ulterior or criminal motive.

    all of which is irrelevant, as the fact no one stopped to help is a side issue – the ultimate reason why the child is dead is because her parents let her (a 2 year old) wander around without supervision in a dangerous area… you can blame the driver or the people who didn’t help all you want – but it wasn’t their fault a 2 year old girl was wandering about on a road… but i guess it is easier to blame other than admit that essentially your child is dead because you couldn’t be arsed taking proper care of it…

    • Riennada

      right on. thanks for posting this.

      however, I would add that people’s unwillingness to change is another factor that the whole thing happened. people say to me all the time “you are laowai. you don’t understand. it is china, we do things our way.” even when i think it’s so obvious that everyone should see it’s plain wrong.

  • Master Huang

    and the award for the best bystander goes to???

    • 麵條

      And the gold medal goes to…..wait for it…..The mother holding her little daughter’s hand. Give that woman 25K rmb….
      It was so pitch black that only an innocent child could see and then attempt to move towards what appeared to be at first glance a two year old toddler’s mangled body laying on the bitumen, bleeding to death.
      Also scoring highly with the judges, and according to many netizens who watched in horror was unlucky to just miss out on the Gold medal, the shopkeeper, who when interviewed after the medal ceremony indicated regret at not having the balls to walk closer to the little girl lying on the ground and give her a poke to test if she was indeed, as suspected, alive.

  • ravin

    this message is to 网易湖南省岳阳市网友: hie there selfish prick,
    reading your comment disgusts the fuk outta me. all you’re ever saying is what would had happen to you if you touched the kid. let me ask you, even worst case scenario if you were jailed until prosecution, would you think the public would have help and you get to save a kid and the family too? even if you get fined, wouldn’t you be earning your money back by working. but no, you said you would only call the police up. tust me bitch you wouldn’t even have done that cause you’re a coward and you are like one of the 18 assclowns who passed by the kid. trust me karma will creep up and bite you in your fukface

  • John Wayne

    I am so happy that Chen stepped in to help Yue Yue. Chen essentially saved her life. Who knows how many more trucks would have ran over poor little Yue Yue. I can’t believe all the people that just strolled on by and did nothing.

    • Just John

      John Wayne:
      O wait, she died. I guess the ayi didn’t save her life.

      There you go, corrected for accuracy.

  • lonetrey

    This is a first.

    I don’t get the commenters’ reaction, on china’s internets and on chinaSmack.

    Isn’t this a good thing? The old lady is rewarded, she shows humility, the little girl is saved, and the problem of the Chinese mentality is acknowledged??

    • Suicidal tendency

      Because some people need to find a way to pretend their hate of China has a rational background?

      BTW: The child died, and unfortunately, it is possible that the ayi contributed to her death by manipulating her broken body. (Which doesn’t mean what she did was bad)

      • Tengu

        Too many ethnocentric posters, hiding behind a veil of sanctimonious outrage to keep fearing China… all chiming in from on high.

        Speaking from the US, they fear China because they do not know China and their fear surfaces as childish rage and hate.

        What Granny did was not bad, I agree she handled her wrong, but I think Yueyue was gone after the first truck hit her and how can we expect her to know how to handle someone so gravely injured.

        Someone posted “Everyone knows how to handle a spinal injury”, blaming her for Yueyue’s death. The trucks and the trucks alone were responsible.

        She is a simple woman doing what she thought was right…that’s all, how can she be blamed?

        And those thinking she did it for fame and money, how bitter their lives must be.

        Yueyue deserved better, Granny deserved better.

  • Andy

    This is fucking bizarre.

    Horrific social tragedy and yet they give a cash reward to the “18th” person.

    Did anyone predict that this would happen? What the fuck is wrong with that country.

    Why do they make a hero out of this woman?

    • Just John

      Because this made them look bad internationally, so they had to look like they were doing something.

      To bad they did not do the right thing, like look into their laws….

    • rollin wit 9′s

      Cuz that’s all chinese people know is Cash.

      A little off topic but I’ve gone to some restaurants where they don’t even except .50 coins or the bills cuz everything on the menu is in whole dollar amounts. And they raise hell with you if you try to give them .50 to total whole dollar amounts.
      Funny china.

  • Chef Rocco

    Is Bystander Effect applied to the case? Perhaps to some extent, but I am not so sure how much its impact was.

    When we are talking social psychology, we must not ignore another social psychological effect that we can clearly identified in China and certainly on many chinasmackers in relations to the event: “Self-Humanizing”.

    http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/100313_morehuman.htm

    It is interesting to know that “Self-humanizing” Effect is applied more cross-culturally.

    “I’m-more-hu­man” ef­fect appeared more cross-cult­urally.

    There is no agreed explanation as to why peo­ple might tend to see them­selves as more hu­man than av­er­age. Lough­nan and col­leagues cit­ed two pos­si­ble rea­sons, which fur­ther re­search might in­ves­t­i­gate. One “is that self-hu­manizing re­flects an at­tempt to es­tab­lish or main­tain a feel­ing of con­nect­ed­ness with the hu­man col­lec­tive,” they wrote.

    “Al­ter­na­tively, self hu­manizing may re­sult from peo­ple hav­ing more di­rect ac­cess to their own in­ter­nal pro­cesses than those of oth­ers. Great­er fa­mil­iar­ity with our in­ter­nal world may re­sult in view­ing the self as deeper, more com­plex, and more hu­man… self-hu­manizing may largely re­sult from bas­ic lim­ita­t­ions in our knowl­edge of oth­er minds.”

    • Chef Rocco

      According to a poll by Global Times, 88% respondents said that they would had helped Little Yueyue if they have been present, I don’t think most of them lied, perhaps they honestly believe so, the Self-humanizing Effect worked here.

      Similarly in US, some half of interviewees said they would join a cancer charity party, the result: only 4% were present.

      As far as I knew, mostly all posters here said they would have helped too and I trust they are honest too. But if all of us were put under the real situation, I am really uncertain about how many of us would act.

      Don’t want to exclude myself from the discussion, I am still pondering what I would do under same situation, though I did help a dying young man on lying on a dark corner of the street in China at night who jumped from a high-rise ages ago, I phoned emergency centre and called the girl on a business card I found in his pocket and didn’t find his family. The medic was slow and tried to find his family too, I was enraged and urged him to rush. Second day I phoned the emergency centre again wanting to know if he was still alive and was told this was none of my business because I wasn’t a relative :(.

      • Tengu

        Good point, and I agree, I don’t believe they lied either.

        We all like to think we would help, but when push comes to shove and the shit hits the fan people really don’t know how they will react.

        Blood and carnage is a very debilitating sight to anyone who has not seen it before, if this were the the first time and you saw a child like this one would hope the first instinct would be to, in the very least, stop, but coming across something like this can be paralyzing.

        BUT

        Oddly enough none of the 18 people seemed to show fear or horror, they merely looked and kept walking, slowly. That I find a bit strange. Not one of them threw their hands to their faces and ran away in terror…bit of a tell there.

        Personally I think every one of those PassersByKunts should be lined up and shot…then gassed.

        Opposite with gun shots, people not used to hearing them tend to wander around, blindly…”Did a car backfire? Why are you on the ground?” Darwin in action.

        I guess the upshot is everyone wants to see themselves as human, but until our humanity is truly tested, until you actually get some arterial spray on you, until you smell the weird sweet smell of burnt flesh…you just never know how you’re going to react.

        Everyone wants to be a good guy, but we never know until it comes down to the wire.

        When it came down to the wire you passed, you proud Penis Soup Producer…many don’t.

      • dim mak

        Helping the girl on the street and joining a charity party are pretty different things though. It doesn’t take nearly as much time or effort or even money to call the cops for Yue Yue and stand by her for a while. Besides, people will always say they’ll help, who know what they’ll do when it actually happens?

        The question boils down to whether or not people in China are more likely to be indifferent. In my experience, the answer is Yes. It’s natural for poorer, crowded, developing countries to look out for themselves first. I doubt anyone would feel “more than human” when they feel everyone around them is ready to outcompete them. Morality of any sort is a luxury, and we can’t afford it yet.

        • Tengu

          You make a good point when people are forced into a basic subsistence living morality can be a luxury.

          Poverty and the crushing burden of it can distort the other human forces that run through us all.

          But

          When as you mentioned it’s a daily struggle to eat, work, find money the world around you becomes very, very small.

          Not condoning what they did, but I see a validity to your point, morality can become a luxury for some.

          Was it for all those who went by…only they know.

        • Alan

          It’s natural for poorer, crowded, developing countries to look out for themselves first

          Interesting point, but China (and to an extent, India) aren’t poor in the way most of say Africa is, excluding the south and northern oil rich areas.

          This has more to do with indifference and self centredness, so I do kind of agree with you.

      • Justin

        Yeah, it’s easy to talk a bunch of shit on a Chinese message board about what you would do. It’s a lot harder to actually do something when you’re in that situation. I once came across a homeless guy lying on the street in Austin and I thought about helping him, but then I just thought he was probably drunk and if he is hurt, then someone else who is probably more qualified will help. And then someone did, so I went on my merry way.

        I think the fact that the ayi and the second woman who came (her mother?) picked her up rather carelessly and moved her though she was hurt is evidence of why you SHOULDN’T help, or at least not in that way.

        Probably the best thing to do is to call the ambulance in this case, but you should never move someone who is badly injured like that and Chinese knowledge of first aid is very little, not to mention the scientific literacy, or any literacy for that matter, of people in rural areas is very backward.

  • chuach – chinafriend

    Are the China authorities going to review the judgement of the Nanking judge to repeal his verdict and set things straight?

  • chuach – chinafriend

    Will the authorities in Nanjing meet and consider to repeal judgement by Nanjing judge to set things straight. The judge could have his reasons for judgement and if known – it will not send wrong message across to the population that Chinese in China are cold, cruel and callous. Thank you

    • TraderPaul

      Is the Nanjing judgement a binding law that automatically grants damages against rescuers? NO, it is just a small court-case and if you look hard there are similar cases in every country! But the chinese will remember this for 50 years and use this as an excuse to not help.

      • Just John

        Given that you have been repeatedly told that Nanjing is not the only case, just the most famous case, will you kindly move on?
        I am sick of seeing you refer to this as the entire reason, when you have missed actual Chinese commenters on here mention many other cases and reasons.

        It’s like finding a single grain of sand and ignoring the rest of the beach….

        • TraderPaul

          I will keep mentioning this case because it’s a lame excuse to let a young girl die. Other posters mention this case as the main reason even though the circumstances were completely different and in a different city/province.

          And you’re getting sick? That’s good because the whole world is sick of this incident, and even the chinese themselves are getting sick of China. Why do you think so many chinese are trying to leave China the first chance they get?

          • Just John

            Then at least have the intellectual honesty to quit saying that “It was due only to the Nanjing case”, because that is flat out false and completely intellectually dishonest. Referencing the most famous case does not mean they are ignorant of all the other situations behind it. It is like referencing OJ Simpson for getting away with murder, and falsely claiming he is the only one who has done this.

            As I said before, you reference the piece of sand, and ignore the entire beach. And please, stop trying to put words in my mouth. I specifically said “Sick of you”, so stop being so stupid.

  • JPAX

    Why wasn’t the mother watching her 2 year old daughter playing near a road in a warehouse? Something terrible was always likely to happen…….

  • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

    Yo Joe,

    if I’m not mistaken, there is an update to this update.

    The “old lady helper” has moved away from town and given up all her money; she gave it to the family and the little girl. She couldn’t handle all the attention and was shunned by her neighbors; her landlady threatened to throw her out for attracting all this attention and reporters.

    This all happened last week.

    My take on this is the same as before: to be a hero in China, you have to fight the system. Concepts like 中庸 (the Golden Mean) don’t allow for exceptionalism. In fact, one quick look at China’s heroes will tell you one thing: they are all dead.

    Chinese heroes are only remembered after they die: Lei Feng, the Dragon Boat guy, and “return my lakes and mountains” guy Yue Fei 岳飞 — they all tried to do the right thing, and could only be recognized after they die (well, Lei Feng is a special case since he was a crappy soldier but became a great propaganda symbol).

    So, “old lady helper”, China needs you to die so that Chinese can safely revere you as a symbol that she doesn’t want to be.

    Is anyone else tired of the eighteenth century?

    • Tengu

      God, you’re magnificent sometimes…others not so much…this is one of those times though.

      Big manly hug!!

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        I’m not happy to see you; that is a piece of ginger root in my pocket.

      • Just John

        Eh, I understand what terroir is saying.
        This lady tried to do the right thing, and had her life completely thrown into chaos, and ended up having more problems caused by her intervention.

        It goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished in China. Even those who try to do right have their lives messed up in one way or another.

        It’s true from what I have also seen, to actually do something heroic in China means you will have to battle the entire system, whether it is judges saying it was your fault, or press deciding you are the next big story and completely disrupting your entire life.

        This is one of the reasons I can understand why the other 18 walked by instead of getting involved. It is not a problem with doing the right thing, but instead what will be the consequences of doing the right thing. This is the major flaw we see in Chinese society.

        O, terroir, you forgot “tank man”.

        • Tengu

          Can it also be said that this is a result of so many years of oppression, having to look the other way, fear, and concern about saying the wrong thing to the wrong person which has brought this about as well.

          You don’t take a country with that history, make a boatload of money all of a sudden and remove those fears and concerns that were instilled in the people over the last 60 years.

          Some has to be fallout.

          You go to Romania and some places in the FSU and some people still cannot talk about the government freely in public, they just can’t do it. They’re afraid even when they’re living under a democratically elected government. Old habits are hard to break.

          Just asking, I could be naive..

          • Just John

            I agree with you there. Fear has been with them so long it has become a part of a culture.
            It is a sad thing when you stop and think about how fear can actually be part of a culture…
            As others have stated before, look at Hong Kong and Taiwan, which have the same historical culture, but you see many differences there. They have become a different branch of Chinese culture.

            If you look at the older generation in Taiwan (Great-Grandparent age), you will see something closer to the mainland Culture of fear. If it isn’t your business, stay out of it. Comes with living under Chiang Kai-shek (And for anyone who thinks it is his doing that resulted in democracy, you are wrong. Try talking to the original generation, and tell me that again. My wife’s nei-nei refuses to talk about her past because of how painful it was), Japanese military control, etc.

            If you however compare with the current generations, mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters, you will find everything is everyone’s business, everyone knows everyone’s business, and for the most part, while backbiting, they are still people who are willing to help others out, not just “SEP” everything and ignore it if it isn’t their business.

            China needs to get rid of the culture of fear, but at the same time, that will not happen when, as you still see, they are afraid of their government. Until the government changes so they do not have to worry about being “suicided” or “disappeared” or “harmonized”, nothing will change.

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            Let’s all admit it: even though we’ve celebrated 100 years of the 1911 Revolution in which Sun “Sunny” Yat-sen set the Chinese free, Chinese are still obsessed with kings and queens, blaming the Qing and wantiing to re-establish the Ming.

            This isn’t about the Communists. To be Chinese is to be oppressed. To be Chinese is not to be free. And so, helping some poor kid is tantamount to thinking for oneself, which leads to personal responsibility, casual sex and democracy.

            Also: Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!

          • Just John

            So, your back seat or mine?

            We can vote on it, it would be the democratic thing to do.

          • Tengu

            Well to cycle back to the FSU comparison, women who grew up under the USSR, if their parents were politicians, military, teacher or doctors they grew up well and they tended to follow in their parents footsteps.

            So you have a whole block of highly educated professional women, who grew up as “Children of the Revolution”, “Cosmomolecs” and came home alone everyday, because both parents worked
            Always been a great way to pick up a woman there:
            “You still have your key around your neck so you could get into your flat?”

            Once the USSR came apart, they lost all that security and became low level workers with unstable wages.

            They’re of an entirely different culture than the younger kids, the kids don’t know what their parents went through and the grandparents had it worse.

            Young girls in Odessa, Kiev and Moscow make the bimbos hanging around with the coals bosses look like peasants, they were raised on opera, theater, ballet and a huge amount of culture. Sort of why they make very expensive hookers the world over. You can take them anywhere and they fit in anywhere.

            So I agree it is a generational thing.

            My own take…I think it’s a by-product of people who grew up under oppressive socialist regimes rubbing shoulders with capitalism a nd perceiving it as some sort of “Holy Grail.”

            Capitalism itself comes with it’s own unseen, but built in caste system, which those experiencing from afar and not deep withing it are not aware of…you can’t fly too high , too fast..

            Oddly enough it’s happening at a time when capitalism is being shown to be so flawed and corrupt as some countries seen as being plagued by corruption

            One is corrupt from the top down the other from the bottom up.

            Sometimes the fish doesn’t rot from the head down…

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            @只约翰
            Fear is a part of any great empire. Look at the States. They kicked out the King of England, but to this day guns are still an integral right of every US citizen and are more likely to be involved in suicides or going postal than for home defence.

            And, Americans: they’re not sad.

          • hooots

            @Terroir’s last comment.

            You’re right. Amercians don’t get sad. We get pissed (Both American English and British English translations could be applied and combined here).

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          Juiced Jaw ngaw,
          I haven’t forgotten about “tank man”. I may have left him out as an example since we never learn about his fate, but let it be known that I haven’t forgotten about “tank man”.

          When I wake up in the morning and brush my teeth, “tank man” is there to remind me that the fight against plaque is ongoing and that I must be vigilant in the fight against enamel oppression and not to recede the rights of gumlines.

          When I’ve entered the docking bay of the flesh meat-flagship USS Uterus, and am about to eject my overloaded warp coil infused with baby-making tachyons, I’m thinking of “tank man”and how he set phasers to stun me how awesome the will of a single person can be.

          As awesome as my nefarious witticisms are and how many non-DnD trolls I have slain, my very best comment as the rock-out-with-your-cock-out terroir will never match the sublime and simple act of “tank man” being who is: one man with a belief, and the cojones to back it up. (not Chinese, but it sounds better thans “eggs” in this place)

          Sadly, this hero does all this frankly because of what I’m talking about: he’s a symbol, and only a symbol. Maybe hearing him talk and find out he’s ignorant, stupid or loves the Super Girl show will douse all that passion. But, there’s no other way: “tank man” is a symbol, an awesome symbol, and I have not forgotten him.

          [music swells; guitar solo begins; Michael Bay crane shot and fast editing closes the segment]

          • Just John

            Someone has been watching to much Star Trek.

            Just curious, did you learn Klingon?

          • Kong

            After someone is dead, TA can become anyone you want them to be. While they are alive, it’s inconveniently still possible to be surprised.

            I don’t think I see it as a uniquely Chinese phenomenon, although perhaps this is more pronounced in China.

          • hooots

            “When I’ve entered the docking bay of the flesh meat-flagship USS Uterus, and am about to eject my overloaded warp coil infused with baby-making tachyons, I’m thinking of “tank man”and how he set phasers to stun me how awesome the will of a single person can be.”

            dude, you’re a genius. you should be paid for this.

    • Chef Rocco

      Sorry for my limited English comprehension ability, terroir. I had hard time to grasp your take on Chinese heroes.

      You said that to be a hero in China, you have to fight the system, then you said that all Chinese heroes did right things and could be recognized only after they die. could you espouse the logic between the two statements?

      Of course you knew Lei Feng had been recognized as a hero before he died.

      BTW, who is the Dragon Boat guy?

      • 平凡人

        “Quyuan” 屈原

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        A conversation: I love it!

        China has heroes, no doubt, just like any other culture. However, China has a system of keeping folks in line: 中庸, face, a highly regimented system of order in society and in the military; basically, Chinese have a role in society and then stick to it — this also explains the mad rush to find a marriage partner even if you’re not going to get married for ten years; as long as you have your mate for life then you’re set.

        Okay. Sometimes some Chinese can’t take the system and their prescribed roles; something is wrong and they have to fix it. However, to fix it these special people need to overcome the system, and to do that they must give up everything, including their life. Why? Because the Chinese system won’t tolerate someone who operates outside of it; because of this, good people who do good things (ie heroes) can’t be recognized.

        Want examples? We all love proof on this glorious exchange of ideas, so here:

        * Dragon boat guy (屈原, thanks PFR) staked his life on his service to the country when corrupt officials prevented him from telling the truth; those folks were tossing in 粽子 because they were trying to prevent the fishes from eating his corpse, which is dead

        * 岳飞 wanted to reclaim occupied lands by those dasterdly Jurchen but was blocked by the chickenass Emperor and his Prime Minister (you know the spitting statues) and was sentenced to death; to this day 岳飞 is remembered as a patriot who served his country well by willing to give up his life before his honor and word

        * for fake heroes, let’s look at 李小龙’s best movie (sorry Enter the Dragon) “精武门”。 Chen Zhen isn’t a 东亚病夫, and wants to revenge his beloved master Jet Li from “Fearless”. However, kicking all of that Japanese dojo’s ass only results in an awesome cinematic free-for-all brawl that culminates in a lot of people getting killed. And so, after Bruce goes all “nunchaku beats samurai sword”, he eventual submits and gives up his life, albeit in the most awesomest, ass-kicking flying kick frozen for all eternity

        * Lei Feng was completely unknown when he was still alive, sorry. Why didn’t anyone go, “Hey, that guy did that good thing like he did before” when he was still alive?

        So:
        1) the Chinese system doesn’t support heroism.
        2) Chinese heroes must be willing to suffer and give up everything in order to be heroes. And,
        3) Chinese heroes are most often only recognized after they’re dead. Because it’s safe (Lei Feng is the best example)

        “Old lady helper” is a good person and did the right thing, but is she a hero? She just gave a shit. The fact that the parent were photographed kowtowing to somebody who took 5 minutes out of her busy schedule just speaks volumes.

  • 平凡人

    How’s the kid? Is she alright? I cannot understand why the focus is on the “Ai Yi” who came forward to help; all the press and reward…. Are they suggesting good samaritan like her is a rare breed, close to extinction in China? No prize for the right answer.

    • Tengu

      Sorry, but Yueyue died Friday.

    • TraderPaul

      They do not need to suggest anything. It is already well-know in China that good samaritans in China are extremely rare. Even when one comes forward, the Chinese will call that person a “fool” or claim that he/she is only seeking fame. In Canada where I come from, we would thank that person and look up to them as a role model and a hero. We would also strive to be better individuals. But this would not happen in modern China.

      • 平凡人

        I regret to inform you that you will not receive any prize.

      • ECX

        Who are Canadian heros? I am Canadian and I have only known Canadian to mock and ridicule any overachievers whether it be Wayne Gretzsky or Lord Conrad Black.

        To say Chinese culture doesn’t have heros is ridiculous. The whole martial arts pulp culture is based on the hero which in turn derives its inspiration from China’s long history and the many heroic actors that played a part in it. Even in high communist times there were many “role model” heros promoted by the propaganda department to inspire the people.

        Civil indifference is not unique to China. There many examples of crime and victims in places like NYC where passerbys just continue on their way ignoring the plight of the victim. However, what is special about this case is the age and helplessness of the victim and the fact all the gruesome details were caught on camera.

        It is a shame the shame the driver of the truck ran over the girl.
        It is a shame the girl’s parents did not watch her more closely.
        It is a shame that another truck ran over the girl.
        It is a sham 18 people walked by without doing anything.
        It is a shame the girl eventually died.
        It is a shame the ayi, got hounded by the media for her deed.
        It is a shame life is not is not fair.

      • Chad

        If you’re actually from Canada I’m sure you heard of the buried sexual abuse cases in the boy scouts or the elderly woman with a broken hip, lying on the floor in the hospital and received no help for 30 minutes.

        Or maybe not because you’re spouting so much ignorant bullshit.

  • http://Www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth

    Xianmei is a hero. Vilifying her will only prolong the crazy superstitions about offering help to those in need. It’s nuts. Ignore someone in distress and your inaction is defended by those who claim that the Good Samaritan will blamed. Stop and help and you are only doing so because you are an opportunist. This is a picture that needs to change in the Chinese media and in the minds of Chinese who truly feel that way.

    Is every Chinese this way? I don’t think so. It looks like it from over here. Does the media need an attitude adjustment? Why portray yourselves to the rest of the world this way if this is an exception rather than the rule. The media needs to keep it in the family and report facts and avoid speculation. All well and good, then come the inevitable comments from Chinese saying it can’t be helped.

    It can be helped and stop being so hard on yourselves. Like it or not China is a superstar in this world today and you should hold your heads high.

  • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

    Here comes the “moral backlash”: propaganda tells us that a soldier died trying to save a drowning woman, and so proves that China is a great place without problems.

    The picture shows him in a glass coffin so that we may see his corpse clearly.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-10/24/content_13959101.htm

    • 麵條

      Wow! 300Krmb! An ex-soldier’s life is worth 275Krmb more than Yueyue’s life, interesting.
      Almost as interesting as a six month’s pregnant woman and her unborn child’s lives allocated the value of the poison that killed them.
      At least he won’t be around to enjoy being vilified as a mercenary.

      Condolences to his family.

      • Tengu

        Be interesting to know who the “friends” were and if the woman was ever found.

        Typical American, a conspiracy theory in everything I see.

        May be an example of Deep Water Harmonization to put Yueyue in the rearview mirror as quickly as possible.

        “We need to come up with something to put this whole Yueyue embarrassment behind us. Any volunteers?”

        “What about Niu? He’s retired, his wife is young, we’ll find someone else for her.”

        “Perfect, I have an idea….is he a good swimmer?”

      • Justin

        No, 300K RMB is the standard allotment I believe whenever a person in the military dies. I read an article about it also in the state media where I work as an editor.

        • 麵條

          Shit eh! So it is true. An ex-soldier’s life is officially valued at thirteen times that of an innocent little girl who won’t reach that figure in years lived. Nice…

        • 麵條

          Is their an official list regarding the monetary value of people’s lives from various social strata and income that you may be able to obtain for the interest of chinasmack punters?

    • lonetrey

      Oh man. What a sad story…. I could not help but wince when I saw that picture of his wife and daughter with the glass coffin.

      My heart goes out to his family.

      • 麵條

        Sorry to see that you are upset. Two panadol and 25Krmb will fix you up to be sure. Now spend it wisely….

        • lonetrey

          lol sure, please send it to this address quick, I’d like to forget that dumb story with the glass coffin as soon as possible:

          Lonetrey Sez
          2 Screwyourself, NumberApt.0
          New York City, NY 10001

          Please hurry.

          • Tengu

            Hey, that’s MY address….

          • 麵條

            Hehe, dead heroes in glass coffins……should keep their underpants on.

          • Just John

            I always say my address is:

            666 Hell ln.
            Satansville, TX 77666

            (For those who do not recognize the 77 bit, listen to Iron Maiden’s 7th son of a 7th son, and yes, Texas is hell….)

  • Foreign Devil

    In China you can become famous like this Ayi just for being human and having a little compassion, because it is so rare among strangers.

  • bojangles

    You know its a shame no one has said this, But I wish the Ayi had been the first one to walk past.

    • Kong

      I’m making an exception to my posting rules simply to 顶 this. Sure, there are other fine posts out there, but the brevity herein takes the cake. If 阿姨 had been the first, none of this uproar would have occurred, although poor little 悦悦’s fate may not have changed.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      pfft.

      “I wish none of this ever happened, and everything was exactly it was just like before.” In sitcoms and movies deux ex machina is a great device, not so much so in real life.

      Since we’re talking about hypotheticals, let’s gander: what if it took the 36th pedestrian to help little Yueyue?

      72nd?
      144th?
      288th?
      576th?

      I could go higher since China isn’t in trouble of running out of numbers, but if “old lady helper” really is “one in a million”, then we still have a ways to go.

      While you’re at it, wish for a the modern television remake of Battlestar Galactica and not the stupid 70′s show.

  • N’Co

    Shame on CHINA!!!! you so disgraceful!!! 1) The government shld be responsible, because they have created a heartless society, Govt shld always educate its citizen! to be caring!! 2) In my country, careless parent who causes injury or death to their own children, IS PUNISHABLE BY LAW…! 3) Witnesses, who witness the tragedy did not attempt to help a helpless person, is also punishable by law!! yeah!!! yeah!!! China can claimed to be the richest in the world, the fastest in world!! etc,, now CLAIMED THIS~ The MOST HEARTLESS SOCIETY IN THE WORLD!!!….. SHAME ON YOU!!!

    • donscarletti

      In my country, careless parent who causes injury or death to their own children, IS PUNISHABLE BY LAW…!
      Yeah, China has a lot of laws too. You’d be surprised how many there are and are just not upheld because nobody seems to give a shit.

    • Tengu

      True there are laws against that in many countries.

      BUT

      China does not have any law on the books about leaving a child alone regardless of age.

      You can reference the story of the child who flew off the balcony and was caught by a woman who, when she saw the falling child, kicked off her shoes and actually caught the baby.

      The grandmother was taking care of the child and was on the roof hanging up laundry. She can’t be prosecuted for leaving the child alone even though she was entrusted with her care.

      The woman who caught the child worked for Alibaba if I remember correctly, destroyed her arms, kid fell about 8 floors.

      So here is a woman who knew nothing about the kid and risked her life and that’s not a “making things harmonious” bullshit government story.

      Generalizations don’t help and people the world over seem to give a shit less and less, just the way the entire world seems to be going.

      • Just John

        Ænema Lyrics
        Artist(Band):Tool

        Some say the end is near.
        Some say we’ll see armageddon soon.
        I certainly hope we will.
        I sure could use a vacation from this

        Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
        Freaks

        Here in this hopeless f*cking hole we call LA
        The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
        Any f*cking time. Any f*cking day.
        Learn to swim, I’ll see you down in Arizona bay.

        Fret for your figure and
        Fret for your latte and
        Fret for your lawsuit and
        Fret for your hairpiece and
        Fret for your prozac and
        Fret for your pilot and
        Fret for your contract and
        Fret for your car.

        It’s a
        Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
        Freaks

        Here in this hopeless f*cking hole we call LA
        The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
        Any f*cking time. Any f*cking day.
        Learn to swim, I’ll see you down in Arizona bay.

        Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
        Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
        Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
        Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

        Some say the end is near.
        Some say we’ll see armageddon soon.
        I certainly hope we will cuz
        I sure could use a vacation from this

        Stupid shit, Silly shit, stupid shit…

        One great big festering neon distraction,
        I’ve a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

        Learn to swim.

        Mom’s gonna fix it all soon.
        Mom’s comin’ round to put it back the way it ought to be.

        Learn to swim.

        F*ck L Ron Hubbard and
        F*ck all his clones.
        F*ck all these gun-toting
        Hip gangster wannabes.

        Learn to swim.

        F*ck retro anything.
        F*ck your tattoos.
        F*ck all you junkies and
        F*ck your short memory.

        Learn to swim.

        F*ck smiley glad-hands
        With hidden agendas.
        F*ck these dysfunctional,
        Insecure actresses.

        Learn to swim.

        Cuz I’m praying for rain
        And I’m praying for tidal waves
        I wanna see the ground give way.
        I wanna watch it all go down.
        Mom please flush it all away.
        I wanna see it go right down.
        I wanna watch it go right in.
        Watch you flush it all away.

        Time to bring it down again.
        Don’t just call me pessimist.
        Try and read between the lines.

        I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t
        Welcome any change, my friend.

        I wanna see it all come down.
        put it down.
        suck it down.
        flush it down.

    • Just John

      Love how you claim the right to dictate their laws to them.
      What exactly gives you the authority to claim what should be legal or illegal in other countries?

    • 麵條

      Yeah, laws need to be introduced in order to prevent the recurrence of such a tragedy. I would imagine that many countries have legislated laws such as those you have pointed out, including my country.
      Of more interest to me are the reasons such laws need to be legislated in the first place. I believe the majority of people empathise with others. To err is human, and one can argue that a lack of empathy in some is also human. No behaviour or thought can be swept under the carpet and condemned as being something not human, to do so is to deny ourselves a better understanding of humanity.
      Nature versus nurture is implied, consciously or not, in much of what has been said. Genetic science may one day in the future reveal more to us about ourselves, and perhaps go some way to providing answers for our behaviour.
      My personal opinion, that we are all born with behavioural genetic potentialities, and we react to our environment accordingly.

      • Tengu

        “No behaviour or thought can be swept under the carpet and condemned as being something not human, to do so is to deny ourselves a better understanding of humanity.”

        ‘”…we are all born with behavioural genetic potentialities, and we react to our environment accordingly.”

        NoodleMan…brilliant…I’m speechless.

  • hooots

    Props to this ayi forreal. But, like Just John said, no good deed goes unpunished. My mom used to say that. Not to deter us from doing good deeds but to remind us of the brutality of the world. Do what you can but don’t expect a happy ending (unless you’re hangin out with Tengu, Just John, Terroir, eattot, and I).

    For the 18 people who don’t care about anything but themselves I say, “Karma is a bitch.”

    Homework: some serious soul searching.

    • hooots

      Advice song of the article:
      视频: Snoop Dogg,Master P,Nate Dogg-Lay Low

      http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEyNDgwNTI0.html

      • M.N

        We all have the right to choice and post any song on this website….. :P :)

        • Tengu

          Actually Kedafu is our saintly “Song of the Article” sage…in this instance there is no democracy, his word is law. ;-)

    • Tengu

      Payback is always a bitch, they’re paying for it now, unfortunately the ayi is as well.

      I don’t think she really did much good picking Yueyue up like that, but I think Yueyue was beyond hope at already, when the ayi picked her up it looked like her back was already broken.

      Just an ordinary woman trying to get a kid out of the road.

      Sadly, Terroir had an insightful point above, she needs to die to be revered as a hero.

      She had to move from her home, no medals for her…she’s an outcast now, how deranged is that.

    • Capt. WED

      please. “Karma is a bitch?” What fucking karma??? So many good people don’t ever receive Karma, of the good kind (IT DOESN’T FUCKIN EXIST). Sick of assholes like you always so quick to criticize everything that people’s do, most of time based on some hearsay. Like you actually know what the fucking people are like on this site in real life? Like people can’t just have an anonymous online freak-out sessions. (nice of you to have a selective memory of posts on this site: racists and homophobic bullshit remember those?). It doesn’t mean that person “decent person” that deserves public ridicule forever.

      BTW: you are the typical american cunt acting like you give a damn. It’s all an act because you guys have major double standards and cognitive dissonance. YOU in actuality are FULL OF HATE! Ridicule everyone else. Base everything on hearsay.

      • Capt. WED

        This is directed at HOOT! SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

      • hooots

        yeah you’re right. Leave a 2 year old child to die on the street. I’m not a hateful dude but your attitude makes me feel like your death might be good for the world. Just sayin…

        “Hearsay?” Maybe you don’t know what that means but if there is a fucking video of the incident, then that’s not hearsay. I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to defend, but your attempt is quite hilarious. “Idiot Fuck” with a captial F is where I’ll categorize you’re silly ass.

        Just so you know: when you attack me for being American based on nothing else other than the fact that you think I’m American, you reassure the world how fucking idiotic and small minded you are. I live in China, I have countless Chinese friends who would honestly beat your ass for the dumb shit you say, and they would agree with everything that I say. So, before you put on your Troll pants in the morning just remember: for however smart and clever you think your comments are, there’s an army of people who laugh at your idiotic bull shit. Go fuck yourself. Seriously.

    • Capt. WED

      When it’s time for you American cunts to ridicule people, it’s always with a clean slate, NEVERMIND that for years you ridiculed and trolled just waiting for a reaction. Then pretending none of that shit matters.

      • Capt. WED

        Americunts love cruel and unusual punishments, hence “Karma is a bitch.”

        • ECX

          Get a life man! I can see your brain aneurysm coming on soon. Have you ever been to the USA? I can tell you my American cousins ranks among the most generous and caring people in the world. Sure there are assholes but where in this world are there not? Take care when you paint with your broad brush. You become everything negative you accuse Americans for being.

          A Canadian!

          • Tengu

            Sadly an aneurysm would have taken him relatively quickly, but he seems to linger, there’s still hope.

      • hooots

        You are so ridiculous, it’s hilarious. “for years you ridiculed and trolled just waiting for a reaction”

        are you serious?

        I’m sure basically everyone else who has ever been on this site will tell you that I am no troll and haven’t been here for years.

        I love the fact that you are attacking the fact that I am American. It always happens like this. If any American criticizes anybody it always turns into an American hate fest. Especially from little bitches like you. I can speculate as to why, but my gut feeling is that your insecurities are just bleeding out of your mouth.

        You’re trolling on me because I said that people who let a baby die in the street will have bad karma?

        You are fucking pathetic and I know that you know that.

        Let’s be honest…
        You’re sad. You’re jealous. You’re scared. You haven’t had any sex for a while. There’s no hope for you.

        • Just John

          I was wondering about the “years” part too, especially given I have read many of the old stories, and have not seen you post.

          You must have lurked much without posting…

          No worries though, it’s common to have people trying to bash on Americans. They seem to think we are all GW Bush, and fail to realize that not all Americans are the same, just as not all Chinese are the same Overgeneralized, stereotypical Chinese that others believe they are.

          I just think Cap. WED is a general troll who tried to get others to react (Of course, I say this because I do it too=P), and has some deep seated scarring from a Catholic Priest that was sent to his parish because he got caught molesting little kids at his US parish. Guess he also liked Cap. WED. Priest to Cap. WED, “You sure have a pretty mouth. Want to try some of the sacramental wine?” (A funny thing is, I am Catholic).

          • Tengu

            Nice segue from Pedo-priest to James Dickey, I have a first edition of “Deliverance” in NF/F condition I can let go for a reasonable amount.

            You an “instigator” which is different, you’re amazing at it, sometimes it’s fun to just sit back and watch their synapses go haywire when you hook them, give them line, let them run and reel them back in a little bit.

            He just swings on the rafters under a bridge waiting for an occasional goat to pass by.

        • Tengu

          Remember he likes to get money from his parents and he wants to milk them for as long as he can. He’s probably sitting in his “Little Emperor” bedroom pulling his pud to pixelated Kinbaku porn remember he “likes pain”, but doesn’t know the difference between sadism and masochism.

          I love him calling you a troll, he’s the ultimate troll, does it constantly and he never forgets, you must have given him a beat down before.

          One thing , he has a mind like an iron trap, go against him once and he’ll never forgive you, then again I’ve never heard him say anything nice or productive..

          If you try and talk with an amount of civility in a subsequent conversation, he won’t budge, you agree with him, he’ll still shit all over you, like having a deranged Scarlet Macaw on your shoulder, just squaking and shitting down your back all the time.

          He’s just on his Americunt rant again…

          No if he had called you a “Truck driving, gun rack toting Redneck Fucker”, that would be another story.

          We haven’t heard from our girl in a long time…I wonder where she is.

          She either fell in love or she finally met her match and she’s duct taped to the wall of some guy’s basement in Slovenia, with those “Clockwork Orange” clamps on her eyelids.

          I’m with you on the karma, they’re doomed in their next cycle: in some ways you can’t blame the babbling boy, he doesn’t understand the concept because he doesn’t have a life in this cycle.

        • hooots

          I will consider myself properly defended. Thank you Just John. Thank you Tengu. It feels good to hear some real talk on the site and not just ignorent mofos talkin useless bull shit. Captain Never hasn’t responded so I’ll guess he’s wackin off to some anime porn. Good for you man. Do what you can.

  • hooots

    NOT the song of the article:视频: Whoomp There It Is – Tag Team

    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQ4MzEyODc2.html

    …The first tape I ever bought. Thanks Wal-Mart and black culture…

  • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth

    Wow! This topic really struck a nerve! Here I am in the US begging that the Chinese press stick to the facts in order to improve China’s image and the self-esteem of its citizens. I have now learned that I was mistaken and that chinaSMACK has done its job by fostering these excellent discussions (with a few exceptions).

    That said, are we speaking of the same Tengu here? It is odd because I actually saved one of his/her posts that was publically addressed to me that made perfect sense. The only gripe I have left is that it is difficult to tell what geographical location the comments are coming from.

    Quite frankly, I desire comments from Chinese themselves as a counterpoint to what we were taught about China as I made my way through the American educational system of the late 50s and 60s–Reds, Pinkos and Commies.

    Finally, off topic. I purchased several games from the app store that were developed by Chinese developer ASTEPGAMES. It is based on the historical account of The Three Kingdoms. It is one of the highest quality apps I’ve seen and I was delighted to see Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei staring me in the face when the game began. Better yet, the first level is The Yellow Turban Campaign! Support ASTEPGAMES! I am not affiliated.

    • Tengu

      Aha Theodore, Welcome back. Have you made it to China if I remember correctly that was our conversation correct?

      How is everything?

      I’m like a virus, I can only be contained, not killed!

      • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

        I am delighted to come to your defense because our dialog meant much to me in the end.

        Everybody listen up! Tengu and I had a back-and-forth conversation about holiday tourists that was somewhat heated. At the end, we agreed to disagree and shared straight information. At the end, I received a reply that was so thoughtful that I treasured it. Call me crazy, but I don’t know what country he comes from and I didn’t care.

        Tengu, I respect your opinion but I recommend that you do what I have learned to do–walk away and/or take a few deep breaths before hitting the “Post comment” button. I suspect that the real Tengu will show up more frequently. It is easy for me to say, but I have the same problem with my compulsiveness and have had to learn to change in order to succeed in my public, business and private doings. I am not always successful.

        Peace to you and all that are contributing to these posts. In finality, I say this: “Why can’t we just live together?” – Rodney King

        • Just John

          Are you two flirting?

          Aww, I am about to make like lion king and start singing.

          Can you feel the love tonight?
          The peace the evening brings
          The world, for once, in perfect harmony
          With all its living things

          • Tengu

            I was thinking more of the Tokens (?) – “The Lion Sleeps Tonight.”

            Who knows, he did refer to me as “the much reviled Tengu” at one point, started to shit all over Boston when he found out I was from there (The Athens of America) another time and at another juncture suggested I “keep quiet.”

            Maybe it’s his compulsiveness or his, momentary lapses, not sure.

            He’s new, not harmful. nice guy…I could let you have him for a decent price. Easy swap, I’ll take the legless, armless, sightless and open shirted Gingerbread man in exchange.

            If we all started thinking before we hit “Post”, there’d be 5 posts out here. Coala never would have entered out consciousness and myriam would have sounded like Tennyson if she gave a single sane though to what she was posting.

            He may have a point in some respects, it’s the stream of consciousness that does us in.

            Sort of like the “Bizarro Bystander Effect”, we all stick out noses into places we don’t belong rather than walk away, we can be a pugnacious lot.

  • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

    donscarletti,

    We have similar laws in the US and it seems nobody gives a shit. What is even more tragic is that we have a for-profit prison system that incarcerates a higher percentage of the population than any other country where the data is available. In other words, US citizens don’t give a shit even though they have a greater chance of being thrown in jail than just about any other place. No doubt, we are helpful and step forward to help when it is required. However, we also have incarcerated for life and/or publically executed children and the mentally challenged. Worse yet, a sizeable percentage of the public (they are commonly referred to as “Red Staters”) actually celebrate these executions.

    • Tengu

      it will get worse now that we’re seeing a move towards “privatization” of the incarceration system in several states.

      The race imbalance in the US prison system is a very bad issue as well.

      “The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.”

  • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

    Wow! Here I am in the US recommending that the Chinese Media tone it down in order to mitigate negative opinions from outsiders and improve Chinese self-esteem. Boy was I wrong as chinaSMACK has done its job by stimulating this discussion. I only with that I knew what countries the comments are coming from and I prefer comments from Chinese themselves. This is because all we were taugth about China when I was going through the educational system in the late 50s and 60s was Reds, Pinkos, Commies.

    Is this the same Tengu we are killing here? It is odd because I actually saved one of his/her comments in Evernote that was addressed to me-saved it because it was sensible and offered good advice. Maybe if you got off his/her back you would see the calculated and intelligent response that I treasured. I don’t know.

    Off topic, I purchased several games from iTunes by the Chinese developer ASTEPGAMES. It is one of the highest-quality games that I’ve encountered and it is based on the historical events surrounding Three Kingdoms. I was delighted to see Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei staring me in the face from the opening screen. Better yet, the first level was the Yellow Turban Campaign! Support ASTEPGAMES. I am not affiliated.

  • JSakamoto

    Chinasmack = place where self-righteous assholes congregate to criticize chinese people and culture based on actions of some chinese. All the while never looking at their own behaviour and history. If some chinese do good it’s brushed off as an exception to the rule of an ignorant, materialistic, barbaric, heartless society.

    • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

      Way to go dude! Just what we need to hear. Blanket accusations about “assholes.” You don’t know me and I don’t know you. I know that there is at least one forum member that wants to learn and expand horizons. But I suspect by your name that you are Japanese, and on a Chinese-related forum, you would be better served if you kept quiet–baka that you have made yourself out to be.

      • Tengu

        Wrong assumption….Bahstun, MAss.

        • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

          For those not in the know, Boston MA is the cradle of our freedom. Lexington and Concord (the first shots) are in the vicinity. Paul Revere took his historic ride to warn that “the British are coming,” and the original Tea Party rebellion shows what we are capable of when we feel repressed. That’s right, a bunch of rag-tag commoners rising up to face the dominant power in the world of the day.

          Want to know how things have declined over the years? Too bad. First a bunch of demagogues borrow the “Tea Party” moniker. Second, I was bewildered that the Boston police attacked and beat War Veterans (along with the sacred flags they were carrying mind you) who were protesting inequality. Third, the mayor publicly justified these actions in the name of “commerce.” In other words, it may distrupt the flow of commercial traffic to and from the companies of his campaign contributors. Call me cynical if you like.

      • JSakamoto

        I never said everyone were a holes there are people who genuinely are trying to come up with constructive criticism but in my opinion most use this board as a bashing session.

        Yes I am japanese and proud of it. I say what I want, when I want to, and to whoever I want unless of course someone has a gun to my head or something similar. Stop trying to sound smart by using foreign words. Besides me being japanese can only add to the credibility of what i said.

        • 麵條

          Nice retreat, your granfather could have learned a thing or to from you. Now go kneel down and lick up some toe jam.

          • JSakamoto

            There was no retreat, just clarification. Now stop wasting my time kid.

        • 麵條

          Why would being Japanese add to the credibility of your diatribe?

          • JSakamoto

            Diatribe? You mean my thoughtful, logical response? If you can’t figure out why then you’ve been living in a cave the past 100 years.

    • TraderPaul

      I’m chinese myself and I criticize the mainland Chinese because ultimately I think it is within them to become better citizens. However, they are unable to even help themselves as this unfortunate incident shows and still use lame excuses (such as a small lawsuit) to not help others. Even when the rescuer comes forward such as this brave old lady, mainland chinese citizens accuse her of “seeking fame” rather them emulating her actions and looking up to her as a role model. Not only will mainland Chinese refuse to help strangers in distress. They even advise their friends and relatives not to help others. What type of society is that? Only continued foreign criticism will cause China to improve.

      • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

        Yesterday, I read a piece written by Lu Xun in 1916. It was dedicated to an accident where a dishevelled grandma was hit and dragged along by the rickshaw he was riding in. When the driver hesitated, Xun stated that he told the driver to keep moving because he will be blamed. The rickshaw driver stopped, helped the woman up and escorted her to the hospital, much to the chagrin of Xun. Much soul searching ensued. Xun finaLLY stated that as the rickshaw driver walked off into the fog with the old woman, his outline became bigger and bigger.

        Please oh citizens of China, please tell me what happened since now and then that has made this attitude (you are in trouble for helping) prevail to this day?

        I have heard blame placed on the Government for this attitude, but for some reason that doesn’t cut if for me. Maybe because up to this very day, even us fat Americans do not willingly accept dubious standards of behavior enforced by what has now become the ruling class.

        From an American point of view, if indeed a billion Chinese are “cowed,” they should rise up and do something about it. Finally, why is it that I don’t see this behavior in any Chinese film-and I’ve watched every one that I can get my hands on? Certainly, if you watch American films (which stink IMHO–I’ll take Zhang Yimou anyday and you criticize him for being over-sentimental), our psyche will eventually show up, replete with the gory details.

      • JSakamoto

        I agree with most of what you said. However, you need to be able to seperate constructive criticism and downright bashing based on hatred, which is what I feel a large number of Chinasmack posters are about.

        Another problem is that foreign in this case usually means “western”. Yes you can learn from them but also remember there are other people in the world besides white people you can learn from.

        Something else I’ve told many chinese i’ve met over the years is in general “white people are not your friends, and they will never be your friends, there are just too many differences. If you honestly think the average white who criticizes China is trying to help them improve their society, then you’re a fool.”

        • 麵條

          I’m not going to call you a racist. Racism is a non-entity. We are but the human race.
          However, your ethnocentric world view is…..not unique.

          • JSakamoto

            Ethnocentric? My post was the exact opposite of ethnocentric. You’re really confused.

        • TraderPaul

          I’m not saying at all that posters are mainly here to offer “constructive criticism.” Of-course, a lot of posters are downright bashing the chinese, and they have a right to their opinions I believe. Perhaps it’s better this way, because the chinese are too passive to criticize themselves.

          • Just John

            “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones”.

            I heard you already shattered one wall…. The Nanjing facing wall >.>

        • 麵條

          “Something else I’ve told many chinese i’ve met over the years is in general “white people are not your friends, and they will never be your friends, there are just too many differences. If you honestly think the average white who criticizes China is trying to help them improve their society, then you’re a fool.”

          Very constructive, and without a hint of ethnocentricity.

          • Tengu

            You know I raised by a crazy, intelligent Italian woman. My mother went to law school. When she going to school, women were chattel. She didn’t have any money and ate in Chinatown. Her best friends through her life were three Chinese men she met during that period, they wee all just coming up. They came over, left their families over there. One became head of the On Leong Tong in Boston.

            Maybe an aberration at the time, but she never saw race, never saw color; even in those days never saw gender preference. Holidays at my house were a big trip.

            My first playmates were Chinese kids.

            She died and I had to honor their wishes to come and pay respects to her body, she had already donated her eyes, but I would never deny them what they wanted…the respect they all had for each other overrode everything.

            She spoke 6 languages (at least) worked for the State Department and was one of a kind…I’m still not sure what she did, she traveled all over the world.

            So there was at least one person out there who saw everyone as equal.

            In spite of her position , which was lofty, she never considered anyone beneath her, she was without a doubt the most interesting and amazing person I have ever met.

            Sadly, there are few with minds like hers.

            She as light years ahead of her time.

          • jimbo

            wow Tengu ! cool story dude ! but who cares about the bulls… you write ?

            now tell us who of the three chinese man was your father ? Did you ever figured that out ? was the intention behind this post to tell everybody that you are a bastardo ? nothing to brag about dude !

            you, trader homoPaul, mr.homowhiner, johnhomo and homoboris , sound like a bunch of foreign losers which have nothing better to do then to pretend to be intellectuals. You gays should really get a real life instead of virtually living on this forum and internet.

            Now, tell us did she made it with all 3 chinese man at the same time ? pull that carrot out of your butt and stop being gay ! get a real life and stop telling us your private bs stories, nobody here believes you the crap you puke out of your bastardo mouth.

          • 麵條

            Hola, face de cutso! Jimbo, thats some vitriolic invective that I’d be proud of. Now go and put that butt plug back in where it belongs ya felcher.

          • Just John

            @jimbo

            Sort of wondering who asked you. Nope, no one that I know of.
            Just come here to troll? Yep, thought so.
            So, trolling a forum just to try to flame someone makes you a what? Definitely not a winner with a life, more like a whiner with erectile dysfunction…Sorry, I don’t take limp dicks, only real men with hard penises for me.

            O well, as you will notice, we have a thick skin, so feel free to continue. But at least try to use some imagination and make it more entertaining. You could always try throwing out fuck a few times. It works for rappers.

            Also, I think it is ginger, not a carrot. Get your facts straight.

          • 麵條

            Ginger!! Flaming arseholes! I’ve never had so much fun since that thousand times squatting into a hole in the floor after Sichuan hotpot, pass the weijing would you……

          • mr. weiner

            Thanks for giving so freely of your opinion Jimbo, but if I’d wanted to hear an arsehole speak I would have farted.

          • Tengu

            @ Jimbe, nicely played for someone with a 2nd grade education.

            Simply responding to JSakamotos comment:
            “Something else I’ve told many chinese i’ve met over the years is in general “white people are not your friends, and they will never be your friends, there are just too many differences. If you honestly think the average white who criticizes China is trying to help them improve their society, then you’re a fool.”

            Thought it was germane to his statement since my mother’s friends were Chinese and she was white.

            FYI – ger·mane/jərˈmān/
            Adjective: Relevant to a subject under consideration: “that is not germane to our theme”.

            LOL – My cuntish friend she was also from Naples, too bad you weren’t around and had the balls to say that when she was alive.

            She would have had you stuffed in the trunk of a car herself.

            Oh Jimbo, you sad little shit, I am humbled by your vitriolic attempt to single handedly slay everyone out here, but you’re just not that good at it. Maybe in another round you can be more bombastic, more caustic, more bellicose, more creative, more grammatically correct, but “baby steps.” For now all of us will be happy with you just the way you are.

            Try being literate, get a spellchecker, dictionary even a thesaurus (“A book that lists words in groups of synonyms and related concepts.”) and someone may actually take you seriously.

            Now review your post…how proud you must be, such a gift of gab you have.

            My personal favorite is: “believes you the crap you puke out of your bastardo”

            “Believe you the..” – brilliant.

            Interesting you used the Italian for “bastard” each time.

            Jimbo, we adopt you as our own little recchione, try harder next time; make your madre della baldracca and all of us “homos” proud.

      • dim mak

        It’s because there’s a pervasive attitude amongst Chinese and Asian families in general to “agree with morals on the surface so you don’t look like a dick, but don’t actually do it in practice”.

        My parents have always been subliminal about the message – always care for yourself first, don’t get tangled up in someone else’s troubles. They didn’t say that outright, nor was it really something malicious or spiteful. It was simply advice to survive in a highly competitive world (especially in Asia). That advice has been valuable on more than a few occasions, I’ll admit. But if everyone thought that way… well then shit like this happens more often.

  • TraderPaul

    Why are over a billion Chinese so obsessed and at the same time afraid of this “Nanjing Judge?” It proves how cowardly they are. Similar lawsuits happen in every country, but in China this small-town judge has managed to affect the behaviour of an entire nation.

    • JSakamoto

      So you’re judging a billion people on the actions of 18? Not sure how China’s legal system is but in the US in trial they can refer to previous cases I think. SO of course people will be concerned with how the Nanjing judge ruled. Who wants to be punished for trying to help. Small town judge? I thought Nanjing was a huge city. But I do think Chinese shoud take a good look at themselves to see the shortcomings in their society.

      • TraderPaul

        Nanjing is a small-town compared to Beijing, Shanghai, etc. My point was that in a country of over a billion people, it is peculiar that a small case would affect the behaviour of the vast majority of its citizens. In western case law, precedence is established by previous cases ONLY if the exact same circumstances presented themselves. Even in a 2nd world country such as China, each case is unique and have to be consider its unique circumstances and evidence. But the citizens of China are quick use this case as an excuse to not help another person. And yes, I am judging over a billion people because 80% of the posts that I’ve read by Chinese nationals are in defense of the 18 “passerbys” and the drivers, or they decry the “Nanjing Judge” who doesn’t even have any jurisdiction in this situation.

        Are the chinese so corrupt that all injured persons will sue the first person who comes to rescue them? I don’t think so, but this is their mindset. They choose to ignore facts, and just continue to use the Nanjing case as an excuse. Call it what you want, but I blame it on apathy, cowardice, and immorality.

        • JSakamoto

          I see you point although I don’t agree with it entirely. My opinion is that there are various factors in play here, each with their own degree of influence. All the factors: the nanjing judge, mass media, personal experience, values and morals, and individual life situations all play a role as to whether a person will help or not. I just hope this serves as a wake up call to chinese to work to make their society a better place, one step at a time. I know, wishful thinking.

        • ECX

          Unfortunately the hounding the ayi has endured by the media has made her a victim also in this unfortunate incident. When the next similar incident occurs and you have 100 passerby they will all cite the example of the “heroic” ayi lady and the hassle she endured as justification for not helping.

        • Suicidal tendency

          I would be likely to ignore your comment based on the “don’t feed the Troll” mantra. Not because of this precise comment, but because you seem to be very careful ignoring comments you don’t like.

          So, let me help you once again.
          You’re ready? It’s gonna hurt (again):

          Nanjing
          is
          NOT
          the only case

          It’s just the most famous one.

    • Just John

      Given that you have been repeatedly told that Nanjing is not the only case, just the most famous case, will you kindly move on?
      I am sick of seeing you refer to this as the entire reason, when you have missed actual Chinese commenters on here mention many other cases and reasons.

      It’s like finding a single grain of sand and ignoring the rest of the beach….

      • TraderPaul

        I’ve been told that there are a few cases, but China is a country of over a billion people. Even if there were a hundred such cases, it’s a tiny tiny fraction of the population. The USA has the most lawyers and lawsuits per capita in the world, and there have been lawsuits for everything imagineable, but this does not prevent people from performing good deeds and helping strangers particularly a helpless bleeding 2year old girl.

        Are you suggesting that every chinese citizen has memorized the details of dozens of cases in which the rescuer was sued for being a good samaritan? I think not. More likely they don’t want to help at all, and are just using these cases to justify their inaction. Whether it’s a single case or a dozen cases, what difference does it make? People in civilized countries do not stop and worry about lawsuits or rewards when someone is dying a few feet away from them.

        • Chad

          “People in civilized countries do not stop and worry about lawsuits or rewards when someone is dying a few feet away from them.”

          Apparently, there’s not many civilized countries in the world then despite the good samaritan laws. I had to remove the links because it was flagged as spam but you can google the text to find it:

          ————–
          April 2010: At least 25 people walked past Alfredo Tale-Yax, police say: “A homeless man in New York City who was stabbed after coming to a woman’s aid was left to die while passers-by ignored him, CCTV footage has shown.”

          UK – Woman, 81, killed in street mugging ‘ignored by passers-by as she called for help

          A desperate and half-naked woman trying to find safety as she is chased by a man who has just sexually assaulted her.

          Dying man left on pavement for two hours as shoppers walk around him in Eastfield Road, Peterborough. ‘No-one cared, someone should have been able to save him or just make a simple call… — Councillor Stephen Goldspink described the incident as ‘absolutely appalling’”

          An elderly woman fell down and broke her hip in a Canadian hospital. And none of the hospital workers came to her aid for a long time, because it wasn’t their responsibility. The hospital staff told this woman and those with her to call an ambulance.

          A 78-year-old man was paralyzed and later died in a 2008 hit-and-run in Hartford, Conn…. pedestrians looked on but didn’t help, although several 911 calls were made. Also that year, a woman at a Brooklyn, N.Y., and psychiatric hospital died on a waiting room floor after collapsing and being ignored for an hour. And earlier this year, three Seattle metro security guards were videotaped standing by as a group of teens beat a girl.

  • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

    This has really devolved into something unpleasant. The name calling and the foul language is ignorant and gratuitous. Surely, it is no way to hold a conversation online or in person.

    Think about it, it’s so bad that the much reviled Tengu’s last post has risen above the fray and is now the voice of reason.

    • JSakamoto

      I admit that was the best post yet on this thread.

      • Tengu

        Well thank you, I appreciate that.

        If I remember we butted heads a while ago, as I always say, it all works out in the end.

        There has been massive amounts of generalization, racism and shining moments on this thread. It brought out the best and the worst in all of us and pretty much BOTH in most of us, it was like a roller coaster.

        Just a very tender subject, fraught with peril from all sides and all angles, the volume of comments is amazing regardless of the content of some postings, the thread is huge…lot of people chiming in. Passion is good!

        Run over not once , but TWICE.

        Left in the the road by not one, two or three people, but eighteen.

        Such an awful way to go, alone, in the street and so many lives ruined…it’s a Greek Tragedy played out before our eyes and it does prove the old saying , “Truth can be stranger than fiction.”

        • JSakamoto

          Yup the internet is where we are free to say how we really feel almost without restraint. You see i have a tender, caring, loving side too. You can’t judge me by just a few of my posts. I could have just been having a really bad day. Just remember that next time you take issue with one of my posts.

          All in all this situation with the little girl was just so sad and tragic. Gets me mad each time I see it.

          • Tengu

            Agreed, we all rant, who knows what we were both thinking, sometimes it takes on a life of its own.

            The scene of her being hit the first time…I’ll never get it out of my mind, sadly indelibly etched in there.

            We do have one above who does hold a grudge very well, Shit on him once, he never forgets. I predict ulcers, medication and a short lonely life for him!

            I think I called you “Sack O’ Mojo”…could have tried better on that one, maybe another time…not today.

            Peace for Yueyue!

  • liu mang

    IF those drivers were actually caught, i hope to see some documentation about it online. i mean real videos of those assholes.
    this woman received 25k for helping. i don’t think she did it for fame because there is no way of knowing that this type of thing would cause such a stir in china. INCLUDING THE FOREIGN COMMUNITIES.
    the drivers deserve the brunt of severe punishment by the government.

    • Just John

      Not sure about the current legal system in China, but in the old days, the driver would be shot and his family charged for the bullet.

      Severe enough for you?

      • Tengu

        Ah the good old days……

  • Cagsmom

    I’m an American mother. I’ve cried for days over this little angel whom I never met, but who touched my heart forever. I would 100% without question help anyone in that situation without thinking twice, especially a child. They are helpless and rely on adults for protection. The drivers and the passers by are shameful, deplorable, disgraceful human beings. No, you can’t even call them human. Little Yue Yue and her family deserved more than what they got.

    So many are asking the question of, “If it where you can you say you would have done anything differently. Yes! I wish God would have put me in that alley just ten seconds before the little one was hit then we wouldn’t even had this discussion because I would have helped and she would

  • Tengu

    Fellow maniacs, I’m going to make a brief proposal.

    Since the past two articles have be about Yueyue, let’s do one thing for her.

    How about we stop generalizing, going ethnocentric, hating Chinese, hating Americans, blaming her mother, shitting on the ayi and not even worry about the 18 assholes Okay we can vent on the assholes), but the ayi if off limits.

    I submit that everyone post a single post which says what they actually feel about the loss of this little girl and how it may have affected you (could be effected, I always mix them up!)

    No bitching, no back and forth, no ethnic slurs, no venom. Simply how you feel about it, say goodbye to her, say a prayer for her, say how you cried, say how you can never get her out of your mind.

    For once, let’s actually say what we think, no personas, no bullshit, drop the defenses and go with it…for her.

    We haven’t honored her in any way. We’ve argued, but we veered off course.

    Make it our own ChinaSmack “moment of honor ” for the memory of Yueyue and her passing.

    • Just John

      One thing I have always said, each person is an entire world unto themselves.

      A world of thoughts, longings, hopes and dreams. A worlds of fears and prejudices, but also of desires and love.

      While no single person may be singly unique in a specific way, the entire composition of everything they are is unique and to be treasured.

      The loss of one person is to loose an entire world, one which will change the overall world via the butterfly effect.

      Here is a lost family member, lost friend, lost lover (And before someone spazes about pedophilia, I mean that had she grown up, she would have been someones lover in the future…). Here is a lost soul whose future and potential will never come to fruition.

      Everyone is special. Everyone is precious. Just remember to always treasure those around you, for you never know when they may no longer be around.

      • 麵條

        Hehe, well, lets hope the butterflies have taken note of Gadaffi’s death……on second thought it may have been Bin laden who blew a puff of wind into their wings….wonder if Assad likes butterflies. Yeah, we’re all special.

        • Just John

          No one claimed there were not dark, ugly worlds…
          But given that yueyue was only 2, her world did not have a chance to become a beautiful one, ugly one, or anything else. It was instead a short lived world, that barely had time to populate (with thoughts, ideas, desires, ambitions, etc).

    • Michele

      I’m having a lot of trouble formulating what I feel it was too horrifying. When I saw her little arm still moving after the second truck. I’m thinking the 16 people in between are monsters.

      I kept your picture the one with the candy in your hand you’re in a better place now. Goodbye sweet Yue yue.

      I don’t hate anyone that would be giving them too much importance but I do hate the word “powerless”

      • Tengu

        Nicely done, sweetly said…

    • Sunshine

      What I feel right now?

      Hopeless, and lost…
      Sickened at the thought of what her little body and mind went through at the moment… terrified that it will happen again to another child… and frustrated that there’s nothing I can do about it??

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      Seven billion people and a little girl dies like this, and I feel alone. And lost.

      Our world failed you, and all I can hope is that your short happiness will be enough to inspire me and the rest of the world to be happy and love like you deserved.

      As we all live in the wake of your passing, this hope for a better world stems from your sweet smile that many of us never knew.

      Be at peace.

  • http://www.wirthconsulting.org Theodore Wirth USA

    Hear, hear Tengu!

    I dedicate my further silence on this topic to reflect on what is truly important. The health and well-being of all the children worldwide.

    No orphans, no homeless, no beggars. If they are sick, heal them. If they are cold, clothe them. If they are hungry, feed them. If they are out on the streets, take them into your home and nurture them.

    It sounds like a cliche, but every one of them is our future.

  • 麵條

    @Theodore, well said.
    But alas it is not in my big mouth nature to shut the fuck up and stew in silence!
    I hope that arsehole driving the van gets executed.
    The authorities acted swiftly when a Mongolian herdsman was run down and killed earlier in the year(another today apparently, see RFA website). Wonder if yueyue’s life has the same political value attached.

    • Tengu

      Well it was only a momentary thing anyway and it seems few got the memo.

      I kind of like that you don’t “shut the fuck up and stew in silence!”

      Vive la difference my brother. We have two “days late and dollars short” trailing behind us…

  • GZ-88

    I’m surprised that more people have not shared examples of how this sort of thing has happened in the USA.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36788569/ns/us_news-life/t/homeless-good-samaritan-left-die/

    http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/07/01/in-plain-sight-a-woman-dies-unassisted-on-hospital-floor/

    It is also interesting to note that when this sort of thing happens in the USA it is blamed on the hospital or the neighbourhood, but when it happens in China, it is blamed on the race of people.

  • Martin

    In wake of Yueyue’s passing, another child-death tragedy strikes in Sichuan

    http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/22/yueyue-child-death-sichuan.php

    • Sunshine

      I feel sick in the stomach, and I’m pretty sure it’s not the lunch…
      This world.. what can you do… what can you do…

      • 麵條

        Yeah,check out the ole fart driver laughing at the site of a crushed child. What’s he laughing at? Could it be he’s laughing at the ridiculous accusations that he’s at fault?

        狗日的杂种废物!

        Can do fuck all about it sweet sunshine, just live with it and hope that one day humanity saves itself.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      Since we are so hot on “baby-deaths-by-automobile”, here is even more news to whet all of your accusatory/apologist appetites:
      http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/26/two-kids-guangdong-yueyue.php

      • 麵條

        Hardly the same thing as yueyue. This sort of thing happens here too. Parental neglect, circumstance etc.
        The driver that murdered yueyue knew exactly what he was doing, by trying to avoid the consequences(which he may well achieve) he decided to finish the job off……Arsehole doesn’t deserve the oxygen he breaths

  • Andy

    This woman should be arrested and charged too !
    On the CCTV footage look at how she picks the girl up ! Anyone knows you should never move someone with spinal injuries ! The poor girls head was almost snapped off when she lifted her up.
    She should have called an ambulance and stood guard over the girl. Stupid peasant witch !

    • Just John

      That would definitely make people want to help others…

    • DL

      wow. now you are just picking bones from an egg. Moron.

  • Tengu
    • 麵條

      Are they trying to equate yueyue’s story to the horrors of past times? Of a time when if you weren’t prepared to cut the tits and labia off a sixteen year old girl before frying up her liver then you’d be next, a time of death quotas per county.
      Hardly the same thing me thinks.
      Being forced to participate out of fear, or commiting suicide out of utter despair and disgust as a last resort and walking past a dying toddler is an entirely different dynamic. I don’t think money or the fear of losing it was all that important to those poor souls that suffered at the psychotic hands of the greatest murderer in the history of humanity. How can anyone in all honesty compare yueyue’s death with that of the Mao era?
      Shame on you epochtimes, ya fuckin shitrag.

      • Tengu

        I found the article perplexing that’s why I posted it…

        • 麵條

          Perplexing! I found it disgusting, an absolute ignorant piece, an abomination of ethical reportage, twisted ill-directed Western propaganda.
          Fuck me, if that’s all the brains free countries can muster to try and change the world then fuck us all!
          No better than the pricks in charge of the thought processes of yueyue’s rellies! Give em all 25krmb and tell em all to shut the fuck up.

          • Tengu

            I’ll stick with “perplexing”.

            I missed the part about the labias, tits and the livers being served with so Fava Beans and a fine Amarone.

          • 麵條

            No fava beans Tengu, but maybe some chilli, depending on which county you lived in of course…
            Seroiusly though, you’d expect the free world to have come up with better propaganda than that. Fuck me!
            While the reds deny information, the west disinforms. Hardly a sound tactic. I just wish the epochtimes was some cash for sex whore, then I’d really get my two bobs worth, slag of a rag.

      • Just John

        I have to wonder if we read the same article, because for the life of me, I cannot find anything in it about the cutting off of tits and labias, or the frying up of livers. I cannot even see anything about committing suicide. I also see no mention of Mao, unless you are inferring their reference to the CCP is a direct reference to Mao?

        Maybe I am unaware of a particular reference in the article?
        If so, please feel free to highlight it, because at present time, I am thinking you are full of shit. Not to say I completely agree with everything in it, but it seems you are reading much more into it than I am.

        • 麵條

          Full of shit eh! Well thanks for the professional diagnosis!
          Tits labias and humanfry, please refer literature regards Great Leap and Cultural Revolution, 马建’s 肉之土 is well worth your perusal.
          When a bullshit article tries to equate what happened to xiao yueyue with communist party doctrine one assumes that the reference is related to the Mao era, an era of fear and terror. Contemporary China is hardly the same is it. No-one is going to have their tits and labia ripped off and their liver eaten by starving monsters.
          I’m not apologising the current regime of anti-human power obsessed delusional mysoginists, plenty of evidence out there to show what they truly are. And I’m not going to give you any references to look up because you seem a smart enough bloke to do the searching yourself.
          Lets not forget, communist party doctrine implies a communist world, nothing has changed in that regard.
          It’s just a pity that epochtimes couldn’t find the nouse to propagate a more believable line of thought.

          • Just John

            Ahh, well, at least that clears up how you got from point A to point B. I can understand that.

            I however agree with many points in the article, and am glad they used other references. They pointed out how the Nanjing case is one factor (Although, to be honest, I wish they were more specific, rather then stating “After Peng Yu, there were several similar cases.”), as well as showing how human rights activists were persecuted by the system. I believe the village head being ran over was even one of the articles here on chinaSMACK. Yes though, it appears they make some rather astounding leaps from this to “The CPP is behind it all and is the root of all evil”.

            It did make me think though. We all know that the CPP takes great efforts to control people, what they think, and how they behave. You do have to question what the stance is on free will of people vs. controlling them completely when it comes to pushing people to think in order to help their fellow citizens.

            Not giving any hypothesis, just giving my thoughts about the article, what it says, and what it makes me ponder.

            My credentials: A certified shithead with a Ph.D. in Scatology (Not really…)

    • mankouzanghua

      The article seemed a bit inconsistent to me.

      Its first point is that the CCP heaps money and fame on people who do good things. The people are elevated to hero-status; they no longer “own” themselves as they become symbols and models for the CCP’s “socialist spirituality.” Ok, valid point.

      However, the article then goes on to say that the incident occurred because the CCP fines, imprisons, or murders people who “do good deeds.” It lists a string of political activists and highly politicized legal issues such as land seizures and Falun Gong that, to me, do not seem relevant to the decision of whether to call for help for a severely injured toddler.

      Aren’t the two points a bit contradictory?
      “In today’s China, anyone who does something good will immediately become a magnet for awards, forums, media interviews, and inclusion on lists of moral models.”
      “In China, doing good deeds for society is strictly forbidden.”

      To me, proving that the CCP is evil and misguided seemed to be the most important goal of the author.

      • Tengu

        “Perplexing”, wasn’t it…it meandered around and lost the point of Yueyue not being assisted.

        As Just John pointed out, I agree with some of the points in the article, but it seems we all agree that its primary objective was to vilify the CCP while offering no constructive alternatives.

        I not sure if they knew what they were even proselytizing. It was originally a story about a little girl and a granny who were both victims of the same crime, but basically lost that train of thought entirely.

        • Chef Rocco

          Tengu, It is well-known that the epoch times is the mouth-piece of Falundafa which acts more like a political organization than religious one. I would be really surprised if the article is a bit balanced and offering constructive opinion. IMO, it is the twin media of CCP propaganda unit, just at the extreme end of other side, even less credible than People’s Daily.

          I don’t know if we can call the organization a cult, but its political objectives seem to have overridden its humanity as a religious unit. It held a celebration at Flushing, NY at the mourning date of Sichuan Wenchuan Earthquake, angered so many oversea Chinese that a conflict occurred.

          See the video:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhmHRRzBVks

          • Tengu

            Oddly enough, I have been to one of their “Events”, the was a Chinese dance company in my city, I bought tickets because I had recently seen ” BeijingDance / LDTX (Lei Dong Tian Xia)” and they were amazing (see them if you can) so I thought , “Why not!”

            We went and within three minutes I realized I was at a Falun-Gong event, it was very strange, very peculiar.

            We didn’t stay though the whole program, we left at intermission. It was a tad too strident.

            Thanks for the heads up.

  • Tengu

    I’ll have to look into what you’re talking about i.e. Fava Been and a bottle of Great Wall Red, maybe a little more research is in order, but to me it seemed to sway away from Yueue and delve more into historical examples of injustice…I found them intersting but off message in some ways.

    I personally thought some of the reasoning for the bystanders indifference held some validity and also why Granny helped.

    Much to your dismay and clearly as a westerner, I thought there were a couple of interesting points made initially, which I never would have thought of.

    On in particular was the idea of Granny being bought off by the local officials since the they assume everyone is as desirous of money as they are.

    I am of the “Mao fucked his people royally.”, but lack the precise historical details you mention, I walked way with a bit of different take.

    I grew up during the Cold War, all we heard about was Russia, Cuba and China…just evil…no facts. Our own Party line.

    When we got older we realized how fucked we were and how much had been kept from us, in many ways all governments cherry pick what they disperse to the masses. My parents generation, everything was great, they survived WWII. We still do it.

    I was told I could hide under my wooden desk and be safe in case of a nuclear attack. The sad part is we practiced and believed it (my turnaound time was great), I was convinced if I huddled under there (while the fireball destroyed everything is a 3 mile radius) I would be safe. A flat smoking wasteland with smiling children emerging from under their desks to carry on the future.

    Of course the whole “fallout/half life” issue was kept from us.

    If they informed us of the radiation and the desk DID save us I’d still be under there waiting for the radiation levels to drop enough to go outside, I’d be a grown man with a kids desk implanted into my back, not unlike the Cockroach in Kafka’s ” The Metamorphosis.”, when someone wings an apple at him and it get’s stuck in his back behind his wings.

    • Tengu

      How the fuck did this wind up at the bottom

      Well be that at it may;
      The above is @Noodles and Just John.

  • red girl

    “Some people are born great, some people achieve greatness and some people have greatness thrust upon them.”

    • Just John

      RECOGNITION

      Having your moment in the sun isn’t always a good thing.
      http://www.despair.com/recognition.html

      • mr. weiner

        Ever heard that Oscar Wilde story ” the happy prince”. Bit of a tearjerker, I think he wrote it in exile, might have been trying to suck up to the church, I’m not sure…
        There is however an Australian version of this story that might be pertinent to red girls post [very slight I'll agree]:
        A swallow is flying south late in the early winter and runs into a storm, his wings ice up and he falls to the ground. He lies there waiting to die and a cow comes up and lays a big steaming crap all over him. [Paradoxer is that you, no wait I already did that one]
        “Well that’s just fucking great, thanks very much you stupid bovine”[no not Myrium]the bird chirps. But the shite was warm and soon the little bird began to defrost, and he felt happy and started to sing.
        A cat walking past heard the singing and dug the bird out of the shite and bit his head off…
        The moral of the story is: people who shit all over you aren’t always your friends.
        People who get you out of the shit aren’t always your friends.
        If you are warm and happy keep your head down and STFU.

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