Unfinished Homework Leads 3 Chinese Schoolgirls to Suicide

Three Chinese primary school girls jumped off a building hand in hand allegedly because they didn't finish their homework.

From iFeng:

In Jiangxi, 3 primary school girls hold hands and jump off a building to commit suicide because of too much homework

Yesterday [September 19th] around 2:10 in the afternoon, three primary schools girls were sent to The People’s Hospital of Lushan District in Jiujiang City, each and every one of them with pale faces, groaning. One of the girls was visibly bruised on the face, and her mouth was bleeding profusely. It is known now that these three girls, all about 10 years old, had failed suicide attempts to jump off a building before they were sent to the emergency room.

“If I’m dead, I won’t have to do homework anymore”

This reporter rushed to the 7th floor of the hospital’s inpatient department where he saw the three school girls under treatment.

10-year-old Huang Wanting told the reporter that she is in the fifth grade of Saiyang Center Primary School. Yesterday, she failed to finish her assigned homework and along with sixth-graders Wang Huan and Kong Huan, all did not go to school. The three of them stayed home and worked on their homework an entire day but still was unable to finish it. It was at this time that the slightly older Kong Huan raised the idea of ending their life by jumping off a building.

“I didn’t want to jump, but we all held hands and jumped off together”, said Wang Wanting, who was actually very afraid within, but was also afraid of being punished by her teacher to stand [in the corner or outside of the classroom as a punishment] for not having finished her homework.

According to Huang, the homework load this time was much more than usual, and if the math teacher (also the head teacher) finds their homework unfinished, the teacher will have them stand outside the classroom, or even outside the school, until the teacher calls them to come back in. Mindful of these, Huang Wanting and Wang Huan thought that Kong Huan was right about taking their own life by jumping off a building. In doing so, they won’t have to do homework any more. Hence, she [Huang] comforted her 7-year-old younger brother, then before went with her two friends to a residential building in their village, climbed to the second floor, and jumped off.

“They [the other two girls] originally wanted to have my brother jump together with us, but I know my family only has two children, we couldn’t both die”, said Huang Wanting.

Three young Chinese schoolgirls lie in the hospital after a suicide attempt following fears of not having finished their homework.Young girls lying in the hospital after jumping off a building, afraid of going to school having not finished their homework.

Parents do not know the amount of homework assigned

Kong Huan’s injury is the most severe. The doctor said apart from a little Pneumothorax, she also had internal injuries and scapula fracture. When interviewed, she was extremely weak, not even able to make a sound. According to her grandmother, the child is ordinarily a little mischievous, but never imagined that she would jump off a building to commit suicide. When this reporter asked the child if she had a lot of homework, the grandma replied “it’s one homework booklet/notebook after another.”

Several Chinese schoolgirls lie in the hospital with injuries after trying to commit suicide by jumping off a building.A small primary schoolgirl in China lies in the hospital with injuries after trying to commit suicide by jumping off a building over fears of not having finished her homework for school.

School principal claims it is a one-time accident

After the incident, Zhou Qiliang, the principal of Saiyang Center Primary School rushed to the hospital, and even accepted this reporter’s interview.

Zhou Qiliang said, there were four students (including Huang Wanting’s younger brother) who didn’t go to school yesterday, and the relevant teachers also contacted these children’s parents that morning. In the afternoon, the school received a call from the Saiyang Police Station saying 3 schoolgirls were hospitalized after jumping off a residential house.

Zhou Qiliang said that he asked the teachers of those students and learned that the homework assigned this time is not actually considered much, just 3 hours of homework for several days of vacation. So why would the children want to jump off a building to commit suicide? Zho Qiliang said: “The police officers said that they climbed to the second floor via the bamboo beside the house and when they couldn’t find a way down, they chose to jump off”.

When asked if the teachers regularly pay visits to parents or communicate with the students, Zhou Qiliang didn’t answer directly, but only stressed that “this is an accident.”

A Chinese news report:

Comments from iFeng:

凤凰网网友 shwf314:

Anyway, the current education system is a damn failure. Teachers only care about the students during the years they are with them, not caring about the decades that come after.

凤凰网网友 jlbwyx:

What a crime, the despicable education system is making our younger generation suffer severely!!!! Remember how happy our own childhood was, when we could finish our homework within half an hour after school and then go enjoy ourselves as much as we could… I don’t know what’s wrong with this society these days… We can ignore the depravity of adults, but how can we compromise our next generation?!!!

凤凰网网友 南宁网友:

“Knowledge changes fate” has been the best advertising slogan for the interest groups to exploit the fat of the people. The industrialization of education has been another despicable means of plundering the property of civilians…

凤凰网网友 mjp1204:

Children are the flowers of the nation. But over time, educational departments attach importance only to the academic performance of students, not to the physical fitness and mental health of them, leading to some schools and teachers overloading students with homework, and some even using this as a means of punishing students, having students bent over their desks day and night to do repetitive pieces of homework that aren’t actually necessary. And after homework in handed in, teachers won’t check it by themselves; instead, some teachers ask students to do it for them. One direct consequence is that students are not physically fit, which is characterized by the increasing number of short-sighted students. Can the educational departments include physical fitness as a criterion when they assess the the qualification of schools? For example, they can offer students physical examination after students graduate. According to the myopia rates and other physical conditions, they can award the schools which have done well in such aspects. Or at least they can create in society an atmosphere in which schools are required to put emphasis on students’ physical fitness.
I hope the whole society can focus on this issue; don’t just talk about caring for the next generation, but focus on the many aspects of children’s growth. Don’t let children feel that dying is better than having to do endless pieces of homework assigned by teachers. Such sad children, such sad childhoods, such a sad education system of ours.

凤凰网网友 央央大国:

Examinations for as long as you live, China’s examination-oriented education is just niu.

凤凰网网友 zbt66:

Just who the hell is the head of the of Department of Education these days?

凤凰网网友 zgrm2010:

Teachers aren’t working hard in class. These days, many teachers don’t even use one piece of chalk in a month. You may not know this, [but do you know] the reason? Laziness!!! This is indeed the truth!!! Presently, most teachers don’t have their students digest what is learned in class, but instead assign overloads of homework to shirk responsibility!!! This is what I see with my eyes and what I hear with my own ears.

凤凰网网友 文文618:

I’m a middle school teacher, and parent of a primary school student. Some primary school teachers really do blindly assign homework — already in 5th or 6th grade but still having students mechanically copy large amounts of texts — which is not at all helpful in improving students’ thinking.

凤凰网网友 zhonghua1212:

An education that eats/consumes people!!!

凤凰网网友 我曹本事沧海客:

Isn’t this just another one of the innumerable of the crimes committed by teachers? When a student can’t finish their homework, you can absolutely patiently and gently talk students about it in an educating way, or maybe even admit to student that the homework you assigned has violated the regulations of the laws for the protection of minors. [Either way], is it necessary to force elementary school students into jumping off buildings to commit suicide? These teacher are truly behind the times. Who the hell do you think you are? You’re just a teacher, just making a living, that’s it.

凤凰网网友 whot:

This can’t be accidental!

凤凰网网友 yejanye:

I’ve seen a friend’s child who is studying in a primary school in Xianhu, Nanning City where the amount of homework is really excessive, and really meaningless. Each test paper must be copied 10! What’s the point?!?

凤凰网网友 qiqing3333:

I remember when I was in primary school.
Fuck, doing homework sometimes meant doing it until 12 midnight.
Then when I was a little older, became naughty/apathetic, my homework basically was never finished.
The next day after going to school, I would be punished to finish them outside the classroom….

Three Chinese elementary schoolgirls lying in a hospital in China after trying to commit suicide by jumping off a building.

  • Nick

    Thank goodness the hospital decided to accept the girls. Without the media and cameras, perhaps this would not be the case…

  • red girl

    Poor little sweethearts. I hope you make a full recovery.

    To a Child dancing in the Wind
    W.B. Yeats (1865–1939). Responsibilities and Other Poems. 1916.

    DANCE there upon the shore;
    What need have you to care
    For wind or water’s roar?
    And tumble out your hair
    That the salt drops have wet;
    Being young you have not known
    The fool’s triumph, nor yet
    Love lost as soon as won,
    Nor the best labourer dead
    And all the sheaves to bind.
    What need have you to dread
    The monstrous crying of wind?

    II

    Has no one said those daring
    Kind eyes should be more learn’d?
    Or warned you how despairing
    The moths are when they are burned,
    I could have warned you, but you are young,
    So we speak a different tongue.

    O you will take whatever’s offered
    And dream that all the world’s a friend,
    Suffer as your mother suffered,
    Be as broken in the end.
    But I am old and you are young,
    And I speak a barbarous tongue.

  • http://explorer Robert

    As an Australian foreign teacher working for three years in China I feel sorry for what is happening, especially as I have two children, an older boy and a younger girl myself and understand the issues involved.

    But I would like everybody involved to think that maybe “time management” and not the study workload is a relevant issue here.
    I have seen Chinese students doing “homework” while at the same time playing computer games and chatting on QQ.

    Hope we all can learn something from this.
    Best wishes to everybody studying and in school.
    Robert.

    • guizi

      “Time management”. Yes, it is important, but they are just a elementary pupils. The volume of homework is just too much, how come after two days they still cant finish? For elementary pupils 30 minutes worth of homework is enough, or none altogether.

      • Just John

        “Zhou Qiliang said that he asked the teachers of those students and learned that the homework assigned this time is not actually considered much, just 3 hours of homework for several days of vacation.”

        Not to say this is totally accurate, but at the same time, I do not see droves of children trying to act like lemmings and heading to the cliff to commit suicide.

        Could be these kids were exaggerating the amount of time spent. Could be as Robert said, that they were not doing homework only, and so did not get much done. Could be these kids are slower then the average students, and because they put it off they had issues completing it “last minute”.

        You will notice that the school stated 3 hours worth for a long vacation, so instead of the students spending half the day in school, they had to do an hour of homework a day and failed to do it until it was already to late.

        I think there is more to this story than just “zounds, mountains of homework”.

        • guizi

          OK, 3 hours worth of homework for several days.

          Yes I agree. If they have a happy school life, they would not do such a thing.

        • Skeptic

          I highly doubt it was 3 hours of homework, especially when they stayed home another day just trying to finish it. The teacher was probably just saying 3 hours to make himself look good.

          The Chinese school system these days are ridiculous. Teachers are terrible and only assign homework to make themselves seem like they are trying to help children learn but in reality never teach anything.

          • guizi

            Yeah I know.

            Poor kids for such a huge homework. Are there any teachers here teaching to university students? Are they great after so long years of studying?

          • Just John

            Well, that can be argued, but from my experience teaching kids, albeit a short time (I hate teaching kids), you could give them a 30 minute homework to do over Chinese New Year and they would still be waiting until right before class to do it.

            Was it more or less than 3 hours? Who knows. This is not the full story. Could it have been 3 hours homework for some students, but others will find it incredibly more difficult? Sure, it could be that, and these three could be the students who struggle.

            Could it be as others have speculated, that maybe they were playing around or some other thing, and when they fell and got hurt, they blamed it on homework and an attempt to kill themselves so they would not get in trouble? Sure, or do you honestly believe that no kids lie when faced with some consequences? Seems very plausible that these kids had heard stories about other kids killing themselves, and so came up with the story told. How many of the kids actually told the story? Maybe the one who was afraid was just afraid of going up and jumping.

            I know when I was a kid, we did some crazy stuff that, looking back, I was lucky I didn’t break my fool neck, like jumping off of high places for fun.

            All I know is that people are making speculations and casting judgement based on a very one sided story, and without knowing everything around it. I can believe any of the stories, but until I hear more of the story, sadly I agree with Rick and think they just didn’t do their homework like they said, were out playing around, and made up a story to cover it when it went wrong, especially since it was after they climbed up something to get there, and quite possibly it could be that they just fell, but, that is my speculation.

    • Brett Hunan

      Well, I think that humiliating them in front of their peers could be the reason they decided that going back without finishing was out of the question.

      Humiliation and embarrassment are detrimental to learning in more than people would believe. When I lived in China, students were hit with open hands on the face, head, and torso. Some students were forced to do physical exercise together. Others were forced to stand in the corner or outside.

      After students are shamed, they feel sad, angry and confused all at the same time. It is enough to make some students wish for a better way out.

      • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

        This is my thought as well. Home work sucks but it’s not really something to kill yourself over without any other issues. But from what I’ve seen in Chinese schools kids are treated like shit by some teachers.

        I highly doubt this is the full story anyway.

    • dave

      I was educated in China half my life, don’t you DARE criticise the children for what they had to bear.

      A personal friend of mine was forced to enroll in a military-style high school that actually drove a student to jump off the school roof and died? They woke up at 6 and went to bed at 1am in the morning, how the HELL is it the students’ fault?

      time-management or concentration has SH*T to do with this, because of ultra-competition in modern China kids are forced to do more, faster, and remember it all even to stand a chance in life. Meritocracy is pushed to brutal boundaries, most students will suffer some form of mental disorder as a result of their continuous pressure and stress in later life.

      Don’t even try to sound as though you understand what these kids are going through, you have NO IDEA.

      • Just John

        Psst, dave, over here…
        Behind the couch man…
        Want some cheese to go with your w(h)ine?

        Why not come over here, sit down and tell my wife, who is Chinese, and a teacher to boot, as was her mother, all about how bad the schools are. You game? She might know a little more then you, so I think I will take her knowledge over yours.

        But hey, I am more then happy to share my cheese with you.

    • AshLikeSnow

      You expect elementary school students to be good at time management?
      It takes a certain amount of maturity to be good with time management. Procrastination is not the exception, but rather the way of life for most students all the way to college. And for most, throughout college as well.

      Rather than trying to go against the flow and trying to teach time management, it makes more sense to give homework assignments that expect students to procrastinate.

  • kevininpudong

    Somebody should put a sofa under wherever they jumped.
    Cuz I’m pretty sure no one’s going to be cutting down on the homework….

  • roger dodger

    I really don’t understand it

  • DRaY

    Dumb ass kids. Sad……. nuff said

  • coala banana

    well, when 3 girls like to commit suicide cause of too much home work, then it tells that the other maybe 1000 children in the school doesn’t seem to have a problem with that. Or maybe the vast majority just don’t think that homework is a convincing reason to commit suicide.

    ““If I’m dead, I won’t have to do homework anymore”

    They jumped from “just” the second floor ?, I guess cause the height was still controllable. Why not from the 5th or 10th floor, or 20th if they really want to get sure to die. No, thats bullshit, it was nothing else then an outcry for attention, probably not breast feed long enough or spoiled by their parents. I would say they are just plain lazy, same like most of their teachers which should have seen when i child is a bit slower then others, then they should pay a bit more attention to them.

    • GJ

      Wow, okay… This is the thinking that caused the girls feared would happen. That they are lazy instead of overwhelmed. THIS IS PRIMARY SCHOOL, not college.

      Please grow a brain with ethics and human sympathy attached and reconsider your opinion.

      Confucius may have been a guiding philosopher for modern Chinese civilization, but he is not perfect. Education does not always equal life.

      • Just John

        Actually, as you read through the article, you will notice that they claimed 3 hours worth of homework assigned over a holiday period.

        Now, I have seen many kids that wait until the last minute, then try to complete all the assigned homework. It seems like what happened to these kids. They waited to long, and then tried to do it the last minute.

        As for the “Worked on it the whole day”, possibly the homework was more than the claimed 3 hours worth, or maybe these kids were slower then other kids their same bracket. If the homework “overstressed” them, then honestly, I do not know what to say. I did not see mention of kids of this school suddenly jumping off cliffs like a bunch of lemmings, so it seems to be isolated to this specific group, which you will notice were together, and came to this conclusion together, so you again have an isolated incident as the school claimed.

        I think putting as much of the blame on teachers and the school as the Chinese commentors do in this article may be more knee jerk than rationally thinking about it. I think there is a problem, but I don’t think a blanket “blame the school” is in order. Maybe more needs investigated about these kids to understand how this situation came to be. Could be home problems. Maybe there are abuse issues. Maybe a member of their family had committed suicide in the past, so the idea was not a far leap to be implanted in their heads as a way to get out of what you do not want to do.

        I am inclined to believe that coala banana has hit upon an idea. Maybe the idea is not as completely far fetched as you think. While I do not believe it was purely for the attention, there is something else beyond this then “Zounds, look at these piles of homework”. Or, it could be just as coala claimed, that they just faked it so they could get attention, or get out of the homework, or were just to lazy to bother doing it, or something.

      • coala banana

        we can just judge by the information which is provided to us in the article. Fact is the 3 did it together. Fact is they jumped from the second floor. Fact is they were the only ones who did it, and the rest and overwhelming majority of school children doesn’t seem to have a problem with the homework assigned to them.

        Looking at these facts, i think that their own laziness has driven them to make a jump from the second floor. They could have jumped from a much hight floor if they really wanted to get sure to get seriously hurt or die. While they might have in addition some mental issues, they were still “smart” enough to chose just a second floor. In china the second floor is like in europe the 1st floor, so not really a threat for life. No, they knew exactly what they were doing, their intention was to get attention, its something like an outcry for help. Thats the reason many children do some silly things, same for pubertarian youth which revolts against their parents and society. In fact they want nothing else then attention cause they find themselves caught within their own incompetence to express themselves and their feeling otherwise. My breast feeding term had not any kind of literal intention, it was made to point out that something went wrong over a longer period of time. Children just don’t wake up one morning and plan to commit collective “suicide”, something HAS to happen before, hope now i made myself more clear about that. The system they have here, as imperfect as it is, seems to work well for the huge majority of children, and considering the hundreds of millions which don’t go so far to jump from a 2nd floor cause of 3 hours of assigned homework, tells me that something went wrong not just in the development of this veeeery few kids and their environment which hasn’t allowed them to grow some self confidence and over come criticism. The WAY they tried to execute this senseless “suicide” attempt (jumping from 2-3 meter height) gave away their true intentions. They WERE NOT ready to die ! They WANTED to SUFFER and they wanted to get sure, and able to WITNESS, that OTHERS (parents,school,teachers,classmates…) SUFFER TOO and feel guilty, for their (the 3 children’s) own incompetence and lack of self esteem.

        Its really a no brainer. On the other side, IF they would have jumped from the roof of the 20th floor (glad they didn’t), and left a good bye letter, THEN all you guys would have a case. Until then, feel free to call me brainless, a fool, or whatever, I can live with that. I will not feel hurt and throw myself off the cliff, cause of that. Not as long as i keep on living a happy life, have a high paid job, enough money, and as long as this hyper active sexual desires and lifestyle work for me. But even if everything would end one day for me, I would still have my PhD and 1 Master, to start with it again.

    • red girl

      10 years old,??? You Fool…How clever of you …not,
      Breastfeeding!!!!!!!! HA ..ha ha ha!!… let me search for a Fools medal , hmmm.. I know I have a box of spares here just for you…

      • Just John

        I think you might have been breastfed to long…
        Just an observation…

      • coala banana

        why not just come up with the points made in my post you don’t or can’t agree with, and in addition explain why. Rather then just call someone else a fool. People can disagree on certain subjects, no problem, but it can be done in a more positive and constructive way, don’t you think ? Trust me when i say that people can do crazy thing when they feel shame. Most sacrifices i have witnessed in this world so far, are nothing else then stupid sacrifices. While the shame you feel and the one of these children might not be the same, but the principe of sacrifice definitely might apply to both of you. I am just glad to see that you have chosen (so far at least) the less dangerous activity which is called internet trolling, but that doesn’t mean that you can hide yourself the rest of your life behind the synonym called “red girl” and call other people fools and belittle them, without having an own opinion on the subject.

        • red girl

          Quite Right, coala banana,
          My passion has got the better of me and my response has been quick and sarcastic,
          for that I truly apologize.
          Having twice had to live with a suicide, I would be slow to judge such a thing.
          To stand in front of in my case, a Mother who lost her Son and then later a Son who lost his Mother and after having spent a week trawling a river for her body, Well, explanations soon lose meaning and all the if, buts, blame and accusations or maybe’s will not change a thing.
          Sometimes, we can all be too quick to judge.

          • Tengu

            Since when is “Red Girl” a synonym? I’d keep looking for the medal.

            Second floor, first floor, depending on how they landed they could have been killed regardless.

            A friend’s husband slipped on the ice, landed backwards on their concrete sidwalk, cracked his skull wide open….died, fall of less than 6 feet.

            Attention or not, it could have gone either way and they’re just babies…they’re 10! Why is everyone demonizing little girls?

    • Brett Hunan

      While I don’t agree that is was primarily an outcry for attention, jumping from the second floor seems like even an elementary student should know that it wont kill them- the jump may have been 15 feet. As for how they got the idea to jump is beyond me.

      It is possible the amount of homework, actually amounted to a bit more than the school stated. Regardless, the real culprit is fear of shame. Humiliation is a poor choice to punish students for not finishing homework. Now they are free from homework for a while.

      • Sarah

        “The real culprit is the fear of shame”

        Well said! I agree. I try not to take an overly cynical view of people, so personally I think shame might have been the biggest reason, not attention-wanting or laziness, that drove these kids to escape their homework in such a drastic way.

  • Cleo

    Chinese school in NYC – one weekend day per week – was only about having to do with rote memorization for recitation and writing. If parents didn’t teach you what the characters were and mine certainly NEVER helped me with my homework – we were expected to watch the teacher READ through the text and immediately understand what each character meant and how to pronounce it and there was no definitions given. There was no way anyone graduated Chinese school that way unless they were from China or Hong Kong and had some supplemental instruction at home. It was pure bullshit.

    It was a mindless waste of money meant to to make Chinese destested by Chinese American kids.

    If someone read Shakespeare to you and you had no bilingual dictionary, how much memorization could you do to prepare for a recitation and rewriting the following week? It was impossible.

    I just ignored it.

    The overseas Chinese schools for CHILDREN are a joke.

    • Just John

      Just a fun fact for you:
      overseas Chinese schools for CHILDREN =/= Chinese schools in China.

      Way to again fail to actually remark on the article itself, and instead go off onto some irrelevant tangent.

      At least your a consistent idiot in this manner…except you forgot Japan…

      • Tengu

        Since when is “Red Girl” a synonym? I’d keep looking for the medal.

        Second floor, first floor, depending on how they landed they could have been killed regardless.

        A friend’s husband slipped on the ice, landed backwards on their concrete sidewalk, cracked his skull wide open….died, fall of less than 6 feet.

        Attention or not, it could have gone either way and they’re just babies…they’re 10! Why is everyone demonizing little girls?

      • Tengu

        I posted twice, I posted twice…I’m getting like you.

  • aok

    Not every person is of equal intelligence… and so what may be medium to hard in task, can be difficult to near impossible for others less mentally proficient.

    These kids might however be more creative, inventive. They may also have slight learning impediments… such as ADD.

    Furthermore, its known that certain people learn better in different ways. For example, I learn 100x more visually + actual hands on experience. Learning by Books or mere audio does not work well for me. (I also have poor memory)

    We cant expect every person to operate the same, and punishing people for their lackings will never make them better. It will only make them worse.

    People need to be treated as individuals, based on their abilities. Possibly grouped with kids at the same levels of skills and learning abilities.

    This keeps the bright students from having to slow down… and the slower students from getting overwhelmed and buried.

  • 平凡人

    Current education system is a problem; teachers have KPIs which requires high pass rate and high % good grades. Thus teachers are putting a lot of pressure on both students and parents. My friends whose kids are from local schools receives tax messges daily telling them what homework needs to be done. Due to 1 child policy, children are very pampered; coupled with pressure from teachers, what can one expect. Unfortunately, even with the pressure, students in China today are like “sponge”; they just absorb everything the teacher says, the thinking process is impeded.

  • Foreign Devil

    With all this crazy studying and education with strong focus on mathematics and hard sciences. . shouldn’t the Chinese be inventing the latest “Ipad” or high tech solutions?? American kids mostly do whatever they are interested in and drop out if they lose interest.. Like Bill Gates for example.

    • Chad

      Actually they are. Look up the latest patent statistics. Look up the latest scientific citations statistics. China is near the top for both now. Look at the most influential materials science papers today and see how many of the authors are Chinese and from Chinese universities. It’s kind of scary actually.

      Not to mention education is a long-term investment. There were few experienced professors in China just a decade ago. The scene is changing very quickly, and I’m quite certain you’ll be eating your words in a decade or so as China and India’s next generation begin to outcompete against us HARD, and when we finally become Greece or Italy, then we’ll have to stop gloating…

      • Rick in China

        You’re an idiot and don’t know how to read statistics or information correctly.
        Look up WIPO. Read their charts. Yes, you’ll see China as having one of the top (#4 or so) most active patent offices. If you read further, you’ll see the following:

        “Non-resident Filings as a Percentage of Total Filings by Office” … description: “This shows the countries which have the highest proportions of foreign patent applications.” #1, China, 99%. #2, Mexico, 96%..etc etc.

        So yeah, China has an amazingly high number of patent applications – by foreign companies/entitites/individuals. If you look at the “resident patent applications per million inhabitants” you’ll also see an extremely low number..for obvious reasons.

        RE: Chinese names on papers, you know there are (estimated) more ethnically Chinese yet born/living abroad Chinese than the entire population of say, Canada, right? Having a Chinese name on a paper or citation doesn’t mean shit in regards to the Chinese education system. The largest percent of China’s publiciations and citations are specific to engineering and materials — if you look at the other top countries (statistically) they’re in medicine, biochem/genetics, physics & astronomy.. which makes sense I guess given China is in the middle of building massive infrastructure. I think your assessment of “I’m quite certain you’ll be” is weak, and based on limited facts, it’s really difficult to make that kind of assertation..there are simply too many factors to consider that could *completely* change the ‘predicted’ situation a decade from now.

        • Chad

          Wow irony at its finest, Rick. Here you go calling me an idiot when you not only misread the WIPO report yourself, but you also were looking at the older 2007 WIPO report.

          See this one for the latest data:
          http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/ipstats/en/statistics/patents/pdf/941_2010.pdf

          I couldn’t even find the text you quoted in the 2010 report so I googled it and realized you were looking at the 2007 report.

          I also realized the report you were looking at didn’t even say China’s non-resident share was 99%. It said HONG KONG, China’s share was non-resident share was 99%. Hong Kong doesn’t have an industrial economy and it’s full of expats. Mainland China’s non-resident share in 2007 was 46%.

          From the 2010 report:
          Look at Figure 5: Real R&D expenditure growth rate. China is #2.

          Look at Table 1: RESIDENT patent application growth rates. In 2009, China’s rate was 17.7%. The USA? -4.4%

          Figure A.2.3a Patent applications by patent office. It’s split in resident and non-resident. It states China’s non-resident filing proportion is 32.9%. The USA’s is 49.2%. Yes, China’s non resident share dropped by ~13% in just 3 years.

          The new report doesn’t list resident patent applications per million but from the 2007 report you were referencing, China’s “extremely low” per capita resident patent application rate was growing at 40%~ and already overtook the likes of Spain 2007. That’s not too shabby for a country competing against countries w/ much more established education systems. I can imagine it being much higher now.

          As I said, education has long-term, generational effects and the world is changing very quickly already with most of Europe going down the drain already.

          China’s surge in materials science influence is centred in nanotechnology, which is going to be veeeery important in the future in nearly everything and has much more applications than just infrastructure.

          Also, having so many Chinese scientists (from PRC universities) gaining influence in science IS a big deal since China’s upper education system is not nearly as well-established or funded as those in the big leagues. It’s current growth is what’s important and you’re just sticking your head into the sand if you don’t see that.

      • coala banana

        i have to disagree a bit at least. I don’t find anything scary about that. For one point, as “Rick in china” has pointed out already, and to another point that it always depends on WHAT is invented, and WHAT can be realistically put out to produce, and more over make it a profitable product. I can tell you that not many chinese companies really make money. The main problem i see is the lack of responsibility when it comes to social life and quality in general. Loyality is not their strongest virtue and honestly isn’t either, both major factors when you like to go become a profitable company under the umbrella of globalization. What i always witness is this “black cat/white cat” bullshit from chairman Deng, thinking that as long as the cat can catch the mice it doesn’t matter which color the cat has. That is a extremely blunt way of thinking, which might sounds good for the average person or dumb citizen, but everyone half intelligent will just found it reasonable for a second, after that it should tell you that the devil is in the detail. While short term success can indeed be achieved fast, its highly questionable that satisfying results can be achieved in the long run. China and the chinese character is just not ready for that, cause they extremely underestimate the decades of development and mistake making all the western countries have been through until they have finally come to the point there are now. Chinese would like to bypass that altogether by copying things and wonder why they are of lesser and unacceptable quality. To develop and design things on their own which aren’t dangerous for life and health would be a first step, to make it work the second, to make it profitable and sellable the third, and to steady improve based on EXPERIENCE the fourth. So far i haven’t seen they can pass step 1, which i would consider a pre requirement, to make steps 2-4 with less headache.

        • Joe

          >and WHAT can be realistically put out to produce, and more over make it a profitable product.
          This is the mindset that will turn the planet into a garbage covered shithole.

        • Chad

          I already dismantled your first point indirectly since I did so to Rick in China’s point which was based on poor reading skills and using an old patent report. Second, I’ve yet to see evidence Chinese companies cannot make profits.

      • Chad

        Wow irony at its finest, Rick. Here you go calling me an idiot when you not only misread the WIPO report yourself, but you also were looking at the older 2007 WIPO report.

        See this one for the latest data:
        http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/ipstats/en/statistics/patents/pdf/941_2010.pdf

        I couldn’t even find the text you quoted in the 2010 report so I googled it and realized you were looking at the 2007 report.

        I also realized the report you were looking at didn’t even say China’s non-resident share was 99%. It said HONG KONG, China’s share was non-resident share was 99%. Hong Kong doesn’t have an industrial economy and it’s full of expats. Mainland China’s non-resident share in 2007 was 46%.

        From the 2010 report:
        Look at Figure 5: Real R&D expenditure growth rate. China is #2.

        Look at Table 1: RESIDENT patent application growth rates. In 2009, China’s rate was 17.7%. The USA? -4.4%

        Figure A.2.3a Patent applications by patent office. It’s split in resident and non-resident. It states China’s non-resident filing proportion is 32.9%. The USA’s is 49.2%. Yes, China’s non resident share dropped by ~13% in just 3 years.

        The new report doesn’t list resident patent applications per million but from the 2007 report you were referencing, China’s “extremely low” per capita resident patent application rate was growing at 40%~ and already overtook the likes of Spain 2007. That’s not too shabby for a country competing against countries w/ much more established education systems. I can imagine it being much higher now.

        As I said, education has long-term, generational effects and the world is changing very quickly already with most of Europe going down the drain already.

        China’s surge in materials science influence is centred in nanotechnology, which is going to be veeeery important in the future in nearly everything and has much more applications than just infrastructure.

        Also, having so many Chinese scientists (from PRC universities) gaining influence in science IS a big deal since China’s upper education system is not nearly as well-established or funded as those in the big leagues. It’s current growth is what’s important and you’re just sticking your head into the sand if you don’t see that.

  • Tengu

    10 year old kids…something is seriously awry when they’re even thinking about suicide…they’re too young…second floor or not.

    You wear your own street clothes in bed while you’re in the hospital? Good way to keep infection down, one of he kids is wearing a track suit.

    If it weren’t for the clothes , I’d think this picture was taken in 1936.

    Beds are flat, don’t raise or lower, no side rails and it looks like they’re sharing the room with a 40 year old guy by the window,,even if it’s a woman…3 sedated 10 year old girls in a room overnight with an unknown grownup. WTF..,I guess there’s no CORI Law over there.

    • Rick in China

      I’d wager most people have thought about suicide around the pre-teen and early teen years, just out of curiousty when you begin to learn about and understand death. It’s obviously something very few people think out as being a solution to something, but thinking about it and what it’s impacts would be…sure, I’d wager at least a whole-number percentage of the population has thought about it by that age.

      That being said, this case looks like a couple little girls looking for excuse/attention. Maybe one or more were convinced/peer pressured into it by another, but surely they would have enough reason to know that low of a height would *not* kill them. I remember several specific situations where I’d planned jumps from 2nd floor and higher as a kid, sometimes hurt an ankle or whatever, but absolutely knew it wouldn’t *kill* me. This is just nonsense, looks way too after-the-fact concocted, they went up to floor 2 and jumped off like kids *do*.

      The blood in the mouth and ‘bruising’ is probably from one of them jumping with their mouth open, and chomping down on a piece of flesh or their tongue. I bit *through* my tongue, when I was 5, jumping into our pool table room from a window sill, sticking my tongue out (while jumping in) at my brother who just beat me to a big perfect peach growing on a tree outside. Having a little blood or bruising after jumping 2 floors is just idiots who failed their jump. Who wants to bet they landed feet first.

      I suppose their next homework assignment would be something along the lines of:

      What height/floor must you jump from to successfully end your life?

      • Tengu

        I would tend to agree with you, but as I said, something is awry here, either at home, in school…somewhere, anywhere something is amiss.

        Shit, I had no idea what suicide was when I was that age, I hadn’t even found my dick yet, maybe I’m slow..

        By the same token, when your 10, anyone over 25 looks like they’re 80, extrapolate that to the position of – they just jumped off the 2nd floor for attention – could very well be, but I know if I was going to look for attention I wouldn’t do it that way at that age.

        It’s all in how you LAND…you land on your head or on your side from that height onto pavement…no so good.

        You’re most likely right about the whole thing, I still find it bizarre, more so, if as you say, they were looking for attention

        With regard to height needed to kill:
        Years ago I was getting off the train in Brookline with a roommate of mine, beautiful, sunny day. We actually watched a woman sitting on an open third floor windowsill fall out backwards she was about 40 feet away, she died…she came down headfirst. Awful sound…

    • Brett Hunan

      Out of all the People’s hospitals I went to in southern China, this one actually looks the most comfortable lol.

      Sweet news… I was talking to my wife and she just told me that there’s some place that sells whale meat occasionally outside our summer vacation spot in Tromsø. Bad news is I have to wait until next June to try some and she said its usually frozen, not fresh.

      • Tengu

        Bring some Sichuan Peppers, I think that’s what Chef Rocco was planning on using in his recipe.

        Or you could go old school , muktuk with an uli (sp?)

  • Xiongmao

    “well, when 3 girls like to commit suicide cause of too much home work, then it tells that the other maybe 1000 children in the school doesn’t seem to have a problem with that.”

    You don’t know much about China do you? The last kid I talked to about this subject with (3rd year middle school) got up at 6 AM, did one hour of homework, off to school, 30 minutes lunch break (cut down to allow for an extra hour of class), extra classes after school, lucky to be home at 9 PM, 3 hours of homework before he could go to sleep. Rinse and repeat. If that’s not sick I don’t know what is.

    As kicker after he finished year 1 he had to cut all the things he actually liked to do in order to accomodate his school work. He used to play badminton Tuesday and Thursday evening, take guitar lessons and English during the Weekend. His parents made him cut everything not school related on his teacher’s advice. Oh,, it’s fairly common for 3rd year middle school students to have 6 school days a week as well. So you might say “Hey,, he has the whole Sunday to himself”. 6 hours of homework, 2 English lessons and a maths tutor coming over is not a day off in my book.

    And I get the occasional question as to why I virtually never hand out homework in my English classes. THAT’S WHY!

    • coala banana

      nice story about the kid. My question is, did he commit suicide ? Guessing he is not the only kid which has to go through this kind of school/education system, so what about the other millions and millions of kids, did they commit suicide ?

      You guys should wake up and not overestimate a jump from a chinese 2nd floor (equivalent to an european 1st floor), that IS NOT a suicide attempt, that is an outcry, nothing else.

  • Vonskippy

    Jumping from the 2nd floor to kill themselves over too hard of homework.

    I’m guessing it was math or physics they were having problems with.

    • Irvin

      These kids should have done their homework, both the one assigned to them and the one for their suicide attempt. At the moment they failed at both.

      • coala banana

        interesting theory…and so true !

  • http://explorer Robert

    Maybe something to consider.
    When I studied psychology it was suggested that suicide was a selfish act, as it may solve “all” the problems for the person involved, but after the funeral, all other people involved have to clean up the mess left behind by this person, now dead.

    But on the other side, any cry for help by any child should be listened to and acted on.

    Consequently I suggest that the three girls were not selfish, did not leave others to organize their funerals but made a cry for help that should be listened to and acted on, no matter how many other children don’t have these issues.

    That is why I said that we should listen to any child, and not only the ones that are our own or that we like.

    Also let nobody forget that many young people attempt multiple suicide attempts, the next one often more “successful” than the failed one.

    Please don’t judge these kids too hard and too easy as the next time they can/will kill themselves, just to spite you all and prove you wrong.
    How would you feel then???

    And how would you feel if this was your daughter, sister or best friend???
    Think before you speak and sit in judgement of other people.

    • Rick in China

      If it were my daughter I’d smack her in the face, call her a stupid little bitch, and presume my wife/girlfriend lied about paternity — how could I produce such a stupid 10 year old.

      Buck up Robert, it’s not psych class, and it’s questionable whether it’s even a suicide attempt. It is absolutely feasible that the kids were making up an excuse for why they were playing outside (and subsequently injured themselves) instead of studying or doing homework as they were supposed to. 3 hours of homework over a vacation period? Give me a break. It may be ignorant to just ignore the potential situation, but it is equally ignorant to immediately presume it’s real, especially with so much circumstantial evidence pointing towards “EXCUSE”.

      • SUPERBALL

        Hatin much? Yes.. you present a perfectly reasonable outlook. 3 girls playing on a roof… and they all magically gathered up the courage and jumped off the roof at a distance high enough to cause extensive injuries. ummm NO. There requires a bit more to make the brain compromise over hundreds of thousands of years of natural instinct programmed into it.

        • Just John

          Roof?
          I clearly seem to remember they climbed up something to get there.
          “The police officers said that they climbed to the second floor via the bamboo beside the house and when they couldn’t find a way down, they chose to jump off”.
          How many roofs do you see that are on the second story?

          Shit, my place is 5 stories only, and it is dwarfed by all the neighbors. Think you may be over-reaching with your analysis.

          I think Rick is exactly right, and I think you are failing to think and instead just react.

        • coala banana

          roof ? are you sure about that ? damn roof sound soooo high ! the article says :

          “residential building in their village, climbed to the second floor, and jumped off.”

          They CLIMBED to the 2nd floor (which is technically just a 1st floor), thats not higher then 2-3 meter. Why you make out of it that they jumped from the roof and a distance high enough….please stick to the “facts” from the article.

    • SUPERBALL

      You are disgusting, the way you start out with all of that”Trust me people, I’m a psychologist” crap, as if you understand everything and everybody cause you read some generalized textbooks and got a worthless degree. Bottom line is teacher only claims 3 hours of homework, chances are it is probably twice that amount at very minimum.

      • Just John

        So, if it is 2x that amount, it is 6 hours, correct?
        Now, how long is the average school day?
        I went to school from 8:00-3:00.
        That would be 7 hours a day, with a 1 hour lunch and 2 15 minute breaks, or 5.5 hours a day. So, they have 30 minutes more of homework then they would have done in class.

        Now, they also said this homework was given to them before a long holiday, which means they at minimum, has a full day to complete it, but since most holidays are ran into the weekend, I would assume at least 3 days. If it was a long holiday, then they could have had upwards to 8 days to finish (Chinese New Year). Now, does anyone know when this happened to have occurred? Too many stories on chinaSMACK are “old news”, so it could have been any one of the holidays.

        Now, do you see many kids running off cliffs or throwing themselves off skyscrapers? To use the excuse “They had so much homework, they would rather die” seems like either, these kids have some other issues or this is not exactly what it seems.

        Funny, if you seriously think about it instead of knee jerking, it starts to take on a whole different light.

        • Tengu

          I love it when you do math…now I’m convinced.

          RICK you’re right, these kids suck!

          The only thing my daughter ever did on a roof was toss a dead sheep up there for a few days so it would bloat up and make stripping it down a little easier for a pathology course she was taking, I thought she was a little ghoulish and a little creative.

          “The flesh comes off much easier that way, Daddy!”…odd words for any father to hear.

          I was going to get a bumper sticker that said:
          “My Kid Can Saw the Top of Your Kids Head Off.”

          I’m glad she changed majors and never tried to jump off a roof.

  • http://chinashmina.com Augis

    I wonder if in ancient China people who prepared for Imperial Exams also committed suicide often?

    • mr. weiner

      One examinee fell into a trance and dreamed he was the younger brother of Jesus Christ. This kicked off the Taiping revolt that killed 2o million +plus people.
      The only conclusion we can reach from this is HOMEWORK IS EVIL!

  • Capt. WED

    Just don’t do any homework and become an total outcast in elementary school.

  • M.N

    Song of the article
    Eric Prydz feat Pink Floyd – Proper Education

  • Irvin

    I call it “indoctrination syndrome”, this is what happens when one try to indoctrinate people beyond what the human psyche can handle.

  • Anon

    Get married to the jovial and easy going farming villager back in the villages. Take a part time hostess job at the local KTV (where someone may take you as a mistress) or VIP Club.

    Be done with it. You don’t have to waste your life over something as lame as homework. Life is more than school. If you are not interested in academic life, go have fun (GRO/Hostess/Mistress) or settle down and have kids (married).

  • hooots

    I don’t care what the circumstances are. If 10 year olds are thinking about, much less attempting, suicide, the adults in their lives are seriously fucking something up. Speaking as someone who works directly with the Chinese education system, this system steals something from these kids. And, in some cases it takes their very lives away from them. Something has to change. It must start with the parents and teachers. Please. Let’s nurture and love these kids.

    • Tengu

      You make a good point, Brett had a good point…I’m agreeing with everyone here…I’m fucking confused, however I did enjoy J.J’s math lesson!.

  • Tommy

    Do teachers really assign papers to just be… copied? Like, write the text again, as if that would teach you something?

    • Just John

      Yes they do, it is called rote memorization and it is actually one of the fundamental blocks to Chinese education.

      Don’t tell me you never missed a spelling word in class and had to write it 10 times. I think almost any education in the world uses it to some extent, I just happen to notice it happens more frequently in Chinese school systems than US school systems.

  • Regina.

    Everyone’s making a big deal about the education system and how it’s too sever, and while that might be true, isn’t anyone going to question the children? What an odd conclusion to come to. “Well we didn’t get our homework done and I really don’t feel like standing outside of the classroom for a while so, we might as well kill ourselves.” I don’t get it. What’s so bad about having to stand outside of the classroom/school? Unless it’s freezing below zero weather then I wouldn’t really mind.

    ….I guess I’m just trying to understand how these kids could even THINK about suicide. How these 10 year olds could think it was a reasonable solution. Yes they’re kids, and kids are dumb, but Chinese kids must be extremely emotionally and mentally weak because only in China do you hear about children committing suicide over school. Never in my life have I heard of any Western grade schoolers or even high schoolers killing themselves over bad grades, unfinished homework, or being rejected from a college/universaty.

    • Regina.

      *university ////////////

    • SUPERBALL

      Maybe from the chair you’re sitting in, all you understand is some light “punishment” standing outside of a classroom.

      Maybe some Chinese parents don’t give a shit. But I can gurandamntee you that there are many who would be profusedly pissed about that.

    • Just John

      Bet though you have heard of children, normally teenage years, killing themselves though for other situations at school, like bullying, rejected, dumped by their bf/gf, whatever.

      For Asians it is a social pressure on doing good in school. Westerners do not feel the same level of “shame” for grades, instead it is more oriented towards acceptance. So, if someone is rejected in school because you are funny looking, or a nerd, or whatever other cruel things done in school by peers, then some will lean towards this option. Not a majority, or we would hear about this happening all the time, but some.

      Does it really surprise you that if academic success is viewed as important by your peers, and if you do poorly, that your peers may reject you? Then does it really surprise you that there are some who might decide to take that permanent solution?

      Just trying to give you a better understanding, in this case, I do not think it was what others may think it is (See my comments above if you want to know my theory).

    • coala banana

      Regina, you must look at such cases with less emotions. The mistake you might make is that you put yourself in their position and think how you would react. The kids did a dumb thing, but they were smart enough to JUST climb on the first floor and jump from there. This is NOT a suicide attempt. We must take the “facts” which are reported and connect all the little dots and look at things form different angles. It doesn’t matter what you would have done. Compare the children with each other, all the rest of the school children get their homework done. But this 3 not, they even thought about to take the just 7 year old brother of one of the girls with them to jump. What this small boy has to do with all that. You are right ” better be dead then do homework” doesn’t make sense. While i know that people can do stupid things, especially children, they are quite talented in making things up when it comes to blaming others or to raise attention when they are unheard. Suicide sounds bad, but suicide by jumping from 2 meter doesn’t sound bad at all. Read all the posts and you will see how group dynamics work, as you go further down and time passes the second floor becomes the roof, as an example, even the article mentioned clearly that they CLIMBED to the second floor. Children in a hospital bed results in emotions too, but there are injuries and injuries, fact is none of them has broken any bones. The drop bottle they are hanging on is common in china, they give it to everyone, just go into a chinese hospital and you will see rooms with hundreds of people all hanging on the drop waiting, just cause they caught some minor flu. People writing poems, describe them as the nations flowers, or blame the teachers as people committing crime. Chinese are very talented when it comes to blame someone else. This country is sometimes like a lottery game, being at the wrong place at the wrong time trying to be helpful can result in you being the criminal. Stay away from group dynamics and look into the details, cause the details speak another story and its definitely NOT the story this kids are telling us and want us to believe.

  • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

    “If I’m dead, I won’t have to do homework anymore”

    This is the quote in bold given by the student, and it isn’t right. What she means is ““If I’m dead, I won’t have to be ashamed anymore” because that’s what these kids can not deal with – losing face in front of everyone.

    To everyone who thinks this is stupid, I’ll put it this way: how can these kids ever do well in their later studies if this happens like this? And if they can’t do well in their studies, how will they pass the gaokao? And if they can’t do well on their gaokao, how will they be able to make it in life? Better just give up now and try again in the next life.

    I’ve said it many times before: the outdated idea of “face” is the biggest problem in modern China because of all the extreme things people will do to keep it, and of all the extreme things people will do when they’ve lost it.

    (as I recall, one of the last times I brought this up was about a man who killed a kid who bumped into him because once he beat up the kid, he realized he didn’t want to be known as a “child abuser” and so killed the kid – yes, a chinaSMACK story)

    There exists no logic in China but “Chinese logic” – the unspoken yet Chinese-accepted way of things.
    * Logically, these kids should try harder.
    * “Chinese logically”, since these students were shamed by their teacher they can not go on living; life can not go one day more. Their future is completely ruined – how can they recover?

    Oh, and Chinese logic has a fail-safe – it kicks it when you try to remove it from the host’s body, causing a thermonuclear logic meltdown that stops traffic in the streets and brings up the Japanese, your birthplace and 5000 years of history.

    • coala banana

      interesting analogy, while I also thought about face loss as a possibility and i experienced it many time first hand what kind of ridiculous things they are able to do, I still guess that the answer might be simpler then that.

      I had once a chinese business partner, who at the end risked that i will sue him on court, in the process of that he lost several millions, but as he claimed, he at least didn’t loose his face ??? I told him i am a foreigner i don’t care about face as long as i have money in my pocket and can make things work. Face is totally overrated in my opinion. They usually cheat each other during and after a project is completed and most of the time it results in the fact that no one involved makes any money, but since none of them like to give up and prefer to “save his baby face”, well…..

      After many years in china, I finally understand why their KungFu movies are so ridiculous, people get punched 20 times down, and even its obvious that the other fighter is clearly (well it should be after he knocked him down for the 3rd time) better and there is no chance to win, they still stand up and try again in the same way. Chinese seem to see some logic in it, and i can see why. Its also nothing new, I am sure that even when the great wall was build it was done with the same logic and short sighted solution which was to built a wall throughout the whole empire, probably a million died during this process, but hey who cares, as long as its ordered and make short sighted sense ? Mao with his “great ideas” has caused the death of tens of millions too. But i tell you what, it didn’t took me a long time to understand that this system they are in now, is the best they can get, imagine democracy in china ? In a few weeks everything would end up in a complete mess. Every country gets the leaders they deserve and when you have a country full with ignorant and selfish people, then you get ignorant and selfish leaders. Or what to the average netizen thinks where their corrupted officials and leaders come from ? They come from chinese families, raised by chinese family values and have been through the chinese school and educations systems, and they all try not to loose face as the number one rule, and along the way make as much money as possible. I once told one of my chinese business partners, that what he us usually doing, fire people without paying them their last salary, holding money back, treat his workers like shit, not providing insurance, not improving their working and living conditions, would mean for me, if i would do it a face loss, I would feel shame to do that. He on the other side justified everything with “face” cause like he said he wants to win. While my sympathy with the ordinary people has sunk with the time,cause i saw that they are also not much different, with the only exception that they don’t have the money, I still have to shake my head sometimes in disbelief what is going on.

      I once gave out a contract for painting walls and floor of a complete factory. When i audited the progress after a few days i saw that they have first painted the walls, then started to grind the floor, which means that during the grinding they messed up the walls with dirt. I told the contractor why he is doing it this way, he said no problem we will paint the walls again (talking about 10.000m2 walls), he did so but of course never admitted his mistake (face), the funny things is, a half year later gave him another contract for another project, again for grinding the floor and painting walls and floor. To my surprise they did it again in the same way. I was stunned and asked my secretary why they do it again wrong, they should have realized after the first time, that its the wrong thing to do, and it costs them even more money, cause they must clean and paint the walls again ! She said “when he would have done it the second time differently, like you suggested, it would mean that he admitted that he did it wrong the first time and would have lost his face” ???? i told her that this damn face things is kinda expensive in the long run, cause it they wasn’t able to make any money out of 6 month work. Of course they tried to cheated me by using cheap water paint instead of, like agreed in the contract more expensive oil paint, so they had to repaint everything again. He even admitted it later on during a dinner, that he never thought that i would have known the difference between water paint and oil paint, so it was worth a try, he said.

      • moop

        you took the words out of my mouth. face is so fucking stupid.

  • Sunshine

    The main point of discussion to be considered here isn’t just the amount of homework that is causing a burden on the kids’ shoulders these days… but also the lack of care for the mental growth of these children. What factors (and I’m sure there are many) prompted them to think that, when faced with a challenge, ending one’s life would be the best route to take? The feeling unintentionally (or otherwise) projected onto the children by the parents and teachers that education means the world? That the sky would fall if one was to fail at school?
    Educational reform is long overdue in China, however it isn’t as simple as “give my kids less homework” like most of the parents seem to voice.

    • coala banana

      that makes me think that we could also be confronted with a generations problem. Means what to you think how many of the parents of all these kids can really help them with their homework, explain things, control that the homework was done properly. A wild guess would be that most parents don’t understand shit about what the kids are learning. Its kinda convenient when yourself are uneducated and the kids must spend the whole day in school. Takes a lot of responsibility away from the parents, so they have the whole day time to think about who to blame when things go wrong, chinese style, when things go ok and the kid ends up well, they like to take all the credit for it, when it goes wrong then they want to kill the teacher, sue the school, or ask for compensation. I always have the feeling that they see in their kids mostly their retirement insurance policy. No doubt they love them too, but it always scares the shit out of me when i see how they on one side hold there babies in their arms, but on the other side without realizing it while walking with it, or standing up, hit a pole, a bus handle, with the babies head, and then wonder why the baby starts to cry. Too careless for my taste, which could bring me now to the subject of work safety, but don’t let me start….

      • Sunshine

        For certain parents play a vital role in the healthy development of a child’s psychological traits. For certain a large number of parents in China lack acknowledgement in the importance of a healthy state of mind in their children. If the parents loved the child and displayed love in a correct way to this child so much so that the child would miss it, long for it, is reluctant or is unwilling to lose it, then this group suicide tragedy might not have even happened in the first place. Parents in China need to realize that the child has to know that your love for them is unconditional, that your love and care for them will not waiver even if they miss a few deadlines or bomb a few tests in school!!!

        • coala banana

          “For certain a large number of parents in China lack acknowledgement in the importance of a healthy state of mind in their children. ”

          well phrased.

          “Parents in China need to realize that the child has to know that your love for them is unconditional….”

          i think that this is the hard part, cause like i said they see in their children something like their retirement fond, so they probably also play the “love/caring/guilt card” when they feel its necessary for the development of their “pension fond”. I think they teach them selfishness and ignorance towards others. I yet have to witness that the parents or grandparents hold their kids back when the bus door opens not to jump in immediately and first letting the people out. Most kids and school kids I see everyday are totally spoiled, they behave irrational, aggressive and are completely out of control, and i tell you, i live in a good and rich neighborhood. I also lived in the city and the situation is the same, it appears that none of this so called parents and grandparents disciplines their kids, and how they could do it when they themselves probably don’t see anything wrong with that. Maybe they too think “as long as the cat can catch the mice” who cares?

          Its kinda like the old, ugly, rich guy you see in a nice restaurant with his model like, young and beautiful “girlfriend”. The guy spits on the floor, smokes and throw his cigarette on the floor (even there is an asher on the table), he takes his shoes and socks off and starts clipping his dirty toe nails, while waters and managers witness that, but no one seems to care, careless with his jacket he took off, the jacket falls down on the floor just where he spitted how slime before and where he threw his cigarette down, all without him realizing it. In this very moment you ask yourself why such a nice looking girl can be with such a dirty ass motherfucker, money yes, but he is dirty and uneducated as hell, how she can sleep with such a guy in the same bed ? When in the next moment you see HER, picking her nose with her small finger oversized nail, taking out bogy by bogy out of each nose hole, look at it, play with it a bit and then smear it at the table blanket. And something crosses my mind, like, I am really afraid when even uneducated bums can get rich and get the opportunity to rule a whole country. I hope you understand what i like to say…

    • Gangnam style

      You’re very cute and perfect looking I love you <3

  • Cool Matt

    I teach on the weekends for some extra cash, used to teach full time here in China.
    I’m sure Chinese here that have been through the process first hand can agree that Chinese education has gone over the top.

    There are no such things as holiday or weekends for Chinese students. They are constantly studying. Playing with friends, playing anything at all is a rare occurrence. Driven by their parents to take constant math and English classes during the weekends and summer “holidays” Chinese kids’ lives are studying.

    The reasoning behind this is the same as it is everywhere. In order to have a great life, you have to go to the best college. In order to go to the best college, you have to go to the best high school. This goes all the way down to kindergarten.

    My student told me one of her classmates, about 12 years old, studies every night until 1am.
    You think summer holiday can offer some escape. Not at all. For many students, Summer is just a chance to improve and get ahead of what you learned during the school year.

    All of my students are constantly complaining about this.

    Homework didn’t kill this poor girl. The education system did along with a society that focuses on grades instead of the wellbeing their children.

    • Just John

      Just an FYI, your not “cool”, your soap operaish.
      Nothing killed these “girls”, given they are still alive.
      Being overly melodramatic about it doesn’t accomplish anything.

      While I agree that kids are over-schooled here and do not actually get to just be kids, being melodramatic about it in this manner just makes you sounds like someone with an agenda.

      Trying to educate these inferior masses about how they should raise their children? You think just because these kids got out of homework for a while that it will make them better off in their society? Given that it will not change the societal values and norms in China, all this did was put them at a future disadvantage, because the reason they do not have all this “advanced” learning will not matter to future employers.

      Can we argue that said values may perhaps be misplaced? Sure. Some may agree, some may not. Does that change society as a wholes view and enhance their future? Nope, absolutely not.

      You have proven nothing by your written soap opera other then you cannot distinguish “alive” from “dead” and that you feel Chinese students are over-educated.

      • Soap Operaish Matt

        Melodramatic? Dude, a girl just tried killing herself. I wasn’t being overemotional. I’d say that was about the right response.

        I’m genuinely concerned when a little girl wants to kill herself over homework…or anything else.

        Who said I was trying to accomplish anything? Its a message board.

        But honestly, can you at least see the human side of this story or am I trying to talk to a robot who merely tries to be as efficient as possible?

        Sympathy. Try it.

        • Just John

          Look Dave, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

          No, you said she killed herself, you did not say she tried to kill herself.

          Want the quote?
          “Homework didn’t kill this poor girl. The education system did along with a society that focuses on grades instead of the wellbeing their children.”

          You sound like you are trying to write the next movie cliche there. Also, if you will note my responses throughout this article, they pretty consistently address my observations that I do not believe they tried to kill themselves either, but instead used it as an excuse after they got hurt.

          Just try critically examining the facts that are laid out in this article. Me, I don’t know the full story, so cannot make a totally informed decision, but based on what I see, I think they were playing, jumped off there (Because God knows, I have done the same thing myself, jumping off of high places, and it was not an attempt to kill myself, just me being a stupid kid doing stupid things because it seemed fun and/or cool to do at the time), and when they got hurt, they came up with a story that their parents bought hook, line, and sinker.

          I have also expressed the point repeatedly in this article that even if it is true, and they were trying to commit suicide, that the problem is not “homework”, it is something deeper. If the kids were not lying, then there is something definitely wrong, and blaming it on teachers giving homework over holiday is not going to get to the root cause, but will instead cause the root of the problem to be ignored as the wrong “symptom” is addressed.

          Anyways, I better go plug in, my battery is getting low because I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.

        • Just John

          I’m afraid. I’m afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I’m a… fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you’d like to hear it I can sing it for you.

    • Cool Matt

      can’t a guy dream?!

  • lonetrey

    is it sad that my first thought was to check if someone posted “Too bad they didn’t have a sofa ready underneath when they jumped” when I saw this article?

    ._.

    • Dave in Macau

      Yes, not just sad but pathetic also.

  • me

    This sounds terrible, but with all that homework you think they might actually be learning something. How can jumping off a second floor kill anyone? Their Science and math teachers should be ashamed!

  • dim mak

    Oh c’mon, homework is necessary practice to absorb the lessons. 3 hours over a few days isn’t that much at all. Standing outside isn’t that bad either. Back in my day they sent us to the gym teacher. He had this wooden plank. Anyone that went always came back crying.

    That being said, most of the homework they give in grade school is pointless bullshit that won’t help anyone later in life. No one cares if your writing is a bit messy at 10 years old, guys.

    The real problem isn’t workload, it’s the mentality. Traditionally raised kids think if they do anything wrong, it’s the end of the world. When I was a boy I couldn’t even imagine the consequences of missing homework/school, whereas the non-Asian kids seem to do it all the time, and just shrug it off when they were punished. Our parents expected us to be “good”, anything else was unthinkable, unacceptable. And we were so good we never exposed ourselves to failure, thus grew to fear any consequences when things go wrong. I’d bet these kids were of that mindset, that’s what drove them to do this.

    That or they were lazy little shits who left it ’til the last minute. That’s always possible too.

  • Hendro

    i think its not just only happen in china , for many country .child were dread when they saw the punishment occure already in front of them . some of the child fear to face something what willl gonna happen if they are founded didnt finish their job had already rush to their friend …some of them will not gonna thinking twice .what will happen now its now and the next its just the rest .
    hope childrens in the school would be struggle and didnt do anything stupid and face any possibility happened if we didnt finish the task , cause that its for your own kind

  • whododat

    Too many Chinese in China anyways, so let it be.

    It is nature’s way to thin out the over populated world.

    • Appalled@everything

      fuck you racist!

      • Chinese Nigguh

        Well china is overpopulated for a reason well no racist but true scientist report that Chinese are 85% Hornier than everyone in the world

        • Anonymal

          how in the world can someone be 85% hornier? please explain

  • EST

    WE CAN NO LONGER TOLERATE TEACHERS WHO DON’T KNOW HOW TO TEACH!!!!
    FIRE THEM!!!

  • Appalled@everything

    Why even bother to subject these kids to so much fucking homework when their chances of getting into uni is determined moreso by their guardians’ ability to pay a shit-ton of cash than the actual child’s scores?
    Fuck this shit. fuck this system. As a former educator, fuck it and damn it to hell. Poor kids. Makes me sick to my stomach.

  • mimomimo

    “Actually they are. Look up the latest patent statistics. Look up the latest scientific citations statistics. China is near the top for both now. Look at the most influential materials science papers today and see how many of the authors are Chinese and from Chinese universities. It’s kind of scary actually.” – chad.

    Ever read one of those scientific papers? I have. I had to translate one into Englishvfor my company. The standard was well well below what you’d expect for a scientific journal. It’s quality not quantity. China is parenting everything to get stats up and publishing any scientific report to compete and impress. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

  • Ryo

    Wait wait wait. If what they said is true, then why no other kids complain? Only 3 out of a class of 20? 30? 40? These must be those “F” students. No wonder they jumped from 2nd story. Should of known to go higher. In 6 years, they’ll be pumping my gas.

    • Katie K

      You’re right, there’s only a problem if everybody tries to commit suicide. It was only three little children who nearly died as a result of the unreasonable pressure plus inability to get adults to pay attention to the problem plus lack of compassion they faced plus whatever psychological/emotional issues they faced that made them highly sensitive to these problems, not an entire classroom!

      Idiot.

  • Katie K

    Oh my God, no one is listening to these children! They told everyone exactly why they jumped, and yet somehow these adults who are supposed to work in the children’s best interests are able to ignore them entirely or lie outright. I’m disgusted.

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  • Brendan

    Teacher’s report to the parents:

    Despite repeated warnings that her friends would drag her down I believe I have no choice but to fail her.
    1. Huang Wanting has again decided not to complete her homework – fail.
    2. Huang Wanting did not show up for school today – fail.
    3. Huang Wanting has attempted suicide – fail.

    Can your kid do anything right? You should have had a boy…

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