2-Year-Old Girl Ran Over by Van & Ignored by 18 Bystanders

Highlighted, a 2-year-old little girl about to be hit and run over by a white van in the background, in Guangdong, China.

From NetEase, Sina, and Sina Weibo:

2-year-old female child ran over by car, 18 passersby ignore her

Synopsis: October 13th afternoon around 5:30, a car accident occurred at the Guangfo Hardware Market in Huangqi of Foshan. A van hit a 2-year-old little girl and then fled. No passersby reached out to help and then another car ran over her. Over the span of 7 minutes, a total of 17 people passing by failed to extend a hand or call the police, up until the 19th person, a garbage scavenger ayi [older woman], who lifted her up after discovering her but the little girl in her arms was like a noodle, immediately collapsing back onto the ground. The trash scavenger ayi called for help, and the little girl’s mother, who was in the vicinity, immediately rushed over and rushed her to the hospital.

The news report video above has been viewed nearly 700k times on popular Chinese video-sharing website Youku since it was uploaded 17 hours ago and currently has over 6200 comments spanning 210 pages. This story is also spreading on China’s popular microblogging service Sina Weibo in addition to receiving a lot of views and comments on China’s major internet news portals and communities.

In addition to showing the little girl, Yue Yue being run over twice and many of the bystanders who didn’t stop to help her, it also shows that Yue Yue is currently in the hospital in critical condition. Police have already found the second driver but have yet to find the first driver as they were unable to read the first van’s license plate and are calling upon witnesses for help. Yue Yue’s parents are also shown.

A man who walks by pretending not to see the little girl lying injured on the street.

A Chinese man riding by on his tricycle cart carrying pipes, avoiding the body of a 2-year-old little girl on the road.

The worried mother of a 2-year-old girl who had been run over twice in Foshan, China and then subsequently ignored by 18 bystanders.

The weeping father of a 2-year-old little girl who was ran over by a van and truck and then ignored by 18 bystanders.

Comments from NetEase:

lgaxy [网易浙江省嘉兴市网友]:

It isn’t ignoring, it’s not daring. If one were to encounter a Nanjing judge, one would be screwed.

[Note: "Nanjing judge" refers to the infamous 2006 case of a man named Peng Yu who helped a woman to the hospital after she had fallen only to have the old woman accuse him of knocking her down. The Nanjing judge in that case ultimately ruled that common sense dictated that only the person who hit her would take her to the hospital, setting a precedent that continues only further discourages and reinforces many Chinese people's wariness to help others in similar situations.]

做个自然人 [网易陕西省西安市网友]:

Truly very painful!
The majority of us Chinese people are already considered abnormal!

六十夕阳红 [网易上海市长宁区网友]:

The Chinese people have arrived at their most moral-less moment!

向前冲 [网易北京市网友]:

It can only be said that the garbage scavenger doesn’t read news on the internet.

屠杀农民工 [网易北京市朝阳区网友]:

No one wants to cause trouble for themselves. These days, everyone is busy enough with their own matters. To say these people are cold-blooded is a bit too strong. Those who want to criticize them should first ask themselves: Would you have gone to help or not?

kenny44272 [网易广东省江门市网友]:

The driver should die.
The child’s parents have some responsibility that cannot be shirked, especially the mother.
The passers-by who ignored an injured child are as low as cats and dogs, simply unbelievable.
This video shakes the soul of every conscientious person.

网易浙江省杭州市网友:

Don’t blame the passersby, it was a Nanjing judge that killed this little girl.

网易广东省河源市网友:

Those people who walked by are animals. No, even some animals have compassion and would at the very least stop to take a look. Those 18 pigs who walked by should also be arrested and taught a lesson with 15 days [in jail]. Instead it was the waste scavenger ayi from other parts [of the country] who had a conscience.

网易浙江省宁波市网友:

Mencius taught us: The poor must look after themselves, while they rich should spread goodness throughout the world.

With regards to this incident, we first cannot blame the driver, who makes a living with his physical labor. We cannot close our eyes and demand that he bear too much responsibility, as he didn’t mean to hit someone either, and it was definitely very difficult to have noticed [the child], and afterward he was conflicted too, only he was afraid of bearing the burden of compensation and that’s why he chose to run away. I can sympathize with him. After all, running away means still having a life to live while not running might mean his life is completely ruined. Though running away means his conscience is to be condemned, how important is one’s conscience for the rabble where simply getting enough to eat is already a major accomplishment? Not betraying one’s conscience in reality is a kind of spiritual luxury.

The people who passed by are also not worthy of being blamed. To conclude that they are cold-blooded for turning a blind eye is a bit arbitrary. If it were a small cat or a small dog struggling on the ground, I think they would definitely give their attention, even kneel down to investigate the injuries, maybe even carrying them home to nurse them back to health. But when it is a child, everyone pretends they don’t see, it is always like this, almost without exception. This is not about whether or not a person is cold-blooded or not cold-blooded, but it is definitely about there being a very serious problem in society. These days, it is better to be less involved than more involved. Getting involved may very well mean getting majorly screwed. There are really too many of these kind of precedents, and everyone has silently evolved from these observations. No one is more qualified than anyone else to criticize.

和谐评论非处不娶 [网易吉林省延吉市网友]:

No one will say anything if you run over a dog and flee, but this was running over a person… This driver must be severely punished.

兔兔要开心 [网易江苏省南京市网友]:

I wouldn’t necessarily send her into the hospital, but I would definitely make a call, and call for help. For those people who saw and then made a detour around her, have your consciences all been “eaten by a dog” [lost]? May your own children be the next Yue Yue [name of the 2-year-old girl who was run over in the video].

网易江苏省苏州市网友:

I cried…

网易山东省青岛市网友 [贱男春浪贱]:

Those above who are saying that our countrymen have become numb, I want to ask simply: What would you do if you ran into this kind of thing? Don’t just blame this or that on this internet post, would you risk being accused of being the perpetrator? Would you be willing to dump your entire family’s savings into the endless vortex of accident compensation? You aren’t afraid of going to jail as the perpetrator? Have you not considered that one moment of greatness could mean your entire family losing their happiness with you? Do you know just how many Nanjing judge [case results] there are? Do you think it is only Nanjing? The consequences of moral turpitude is not something that you and I can rectify. We are just ordinary people. Seeing this kind of thing, I can only describe it as heart-breaking, but I would be numb/indifferent like those 18 people…because I am a normal person!!!

Jasonwu [网易广东省佛山市网友]:

Don’t push responsibility onto society, let’s ask ourselves: what are we afraid of?

投篮 [网易亚太地区网友]:

I remember when I was small there was a small girl who fell into a pond. I yelled for help and then some adults came and rescued her. But in the end, her mother kept asking if it was me who pushed her in. Now that I think about it, I was truly lucky!!!!

What do you think?

The Chinese parents of a 2-year-old girl who was ran over twice and ignored by 18 pedestrians who passed by.

The lone woman who stopped and called for help after a 2-year-old little girl was run over by two cars.

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  • wangweng

    what up. Chinese are great at ignoring things.

    • acheron

      can’t agree more

    • Interested

      So called `Chinese’ are really diverse groups of people, more so than all Europeans. Such thing will never happen in Manchuria. Manchurian Chinese are well known for their altruism. Every Manchurians is `lei feng’. Cantonese Chinese behave almost like totally different people from Manchurians. Despite Cantonese claimed to be `smart’, but they are no match for Manchurian’s comradery. This explains North always conquers South. Same might apply to Europe.

      • Chef Rocco

        never say never. It is too sketchy to generalize people totally based on the regions where they live. Do you know the facts that one of the hit-and-run drivers is from Shandong, another is from Chongqing?

        IMO, the Northerner and Southerner things are exaggerated too much.

      • acheron

        Netizens already found these 2 van drivers are the so called ‘Leifeng’ Manchurians and trash scavenger is Cantonese…whats your point? all Cantonese are evil?

        • paradoxer

          Whites are so typical shitheads and western worshippers are in there too.

      • Heart Manchus

        i love manchus. they’re very cool and im han. ill befriend any manchu faster than a cantonese and the majority of east and southeast asia

  • k

    ……-_-………

  • McCurry

    So what else is new? This is the China we live in

  • Haiku

    This is one of the most awful things I’ve ever seen.
    In other countries the law punishes you if you DON’T help, in China you get punished if you DO?! o.O

    • ZlsetrdXz

      Well, in some countries you don’t help not only because you could be marked as the perpetrator, but also because it could be a set-up by muggers to catch you as soon as you exit the vehicle. I know it may not relevant to this case but just saying.

      • Blago

        “Just saying”? this was pathetic, actually

  • si

    It is easy to point finger in a case such as this. Blame the van driver, for hitting the girl and failing to stop, blame the passers-by for not stopping to assist, blame the parents for not monitoring her. However blaming people is missing a significant point of this issue.

    Small children will continue to get by vehicles, it will happen tomorrow the next day and so on. Little can be done to prevent this from happening again.

    Drivers will continue to fail to stop to assist, just as it may be human nature to help others, for some it is more important to evade condemnation. We can only hope the the authorities catch and persecute the driver as a deterant for others.

    However the more significant issue is members of the public attitude to stop and help. Our hands are tied as many a fearful to reach out and help. This can be resolved.

    If China is such a civilised country, why is there no protection for those rescue or assist. China is in desperate need of a “Good Samaritan Law”. Call upon the leaders to enact this.

    • Snarl

      A “Good Samaritan Law” would perpetuate this problem even more. Milton Friedman has provided you an answer to your concern in the embedded video:

      • Snarl

        Sorry, originally pasted a link. That’s it embedded below:

        [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q84y08nu74I&w=420&h=315

        • Snarl

          That didn’t work either. In any case, you can see the video at the link. It’s an excellent explanation of the virtue of choice in this scenario.

          • si

            You have confused two legal concepts here.

            The video was was a discussion referring to a legal concept not present in the United States, Duty to Rescue, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue, but which is present in come countries around the world. Duty to Rescue is law requiring people to act to assist and rescue.

            Duty to Rescue differs from the Good Samaritan Law, the former refers to the legal obligation of society to help, the latter the legal protection granted to rescuers if they choose to help.

            My comments are referring to Good Samaritan Law (which is present in the United States), the basis is which that a person may act without fear of liability persecution under given circumstances.

            It is clear that some in Chinese society choose not to act for fear of persecution (site the multiple Nanjing comments). If a Good Samaritan Law were in place it would protect them and free them of this fear.

            Society in China would be inclined to help without fear of persecution.

            Good video though.

          • si

            Forgot the link to Good Samaritan Law

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

          • Snarl

            The Nanjing Judge dilemma wouldn’t be affected by a Good Samaritan Law, because the Nanjing Judge would say the person attempting to rescue is in fact not attempting to rescue at all, but rather that they are the one who caused the problem in the first place.

    • A Tormented Man

      I was emotional when i first saw the video. But after much deliberation, i understand the situation the driver was in. This was an unfortunate accident. Nobody in their right mind would want to hit a small defenseless child. She was small, and was in the wrong place.

      The driver knew about it, and would surely feel a lot of guilt. If you were in such a situation you would panicked. Not knowing how life was in china, but comparing it to the experience in my country, you would have run away too.

      After all said and done, it’s another tragic story in this tragic world we love and live in.

  • jon

    No concept of internal organ damage… just picking up the girl like that, both the street sweeper and the mother… can exacerbate the injuries. How bad is the education and/or common sense in China?

    • mrnightcat

      Was going to say too – the street sweeper was indeed the only one to help, but the way she seemed to let the girl’s body fall forward looked like it could have torn apart any damaged spine areas.

      • mrnightcat

        If that two year old girl survived, it would be an absolute miracle. Crushed by the wheels of heavy vans, the second wheel rolling very slowly over her abdomen after a pause. Not hopeful unfortunately.

        Feel awful for the parents, and I wish her all the best.

        • Keius

          Update from another site:

          They supposedly have caught the first driver.
          Girl has been pronounced braindead and is still on machinery in the ICU.

    • Xiongmao

      Internal organ damage: minor issue compared to the risk of permanent paralysis or death from major nerve carrying broken bones. Jon is right, it’s mindboggling so little Chinese people generally know about the truly important stuff. Don’t f’cking move a severely injured person unless it’s to save his life right there and then and there are no medical personnel present (AKA no breathing, arterial bleeding and such). Every single person in this video is an idiot but at least the scavenger Ayi is a kind hearted one.

    • Jonathan

      You know what can also exacerbate the injuries? Being ran over a second time.

    • Joe

      Education is bad… that’s why nobody helped. The woman didn’t know and neither did her parents.

  • hooots

    this place is fucked.

    • Ray

      ^this

      (not long enough?)

  • guizi

    This is so scary, but do you know the bystander effect.
    You can watch lots of interesting and scary video on youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OSsPfbup0ac
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGaJrgi_SpE&feature=related

    • akuma

      I’m sorry but this test, is nowhere near the insanity level compared to this incident.

      • DC

        Okay, but it boils down to the same principle.

        • Suicidal tendency

          No, I think there’s something else at work on the above video.

          They just interviewed one woman saying other people would step up. I think asking other people why they didn’t act could have given other solutions:
          As said in the interview: what if that man is the child’s stepfather, and the child just in a bad mood?

          In my country, we often said “the bigger it is, the easier it passes” (sorry, it’s a poor translation, I don’t know how to express it). That simply means: you have better chance of not getting caught by doing something bad in the front than trying to hide. How many people would expect to see a kidnapping right in the middle of the street, in daylight, with so many people around?
          You wouldn’t believe it’s happening!

          And I’m afraid I’m not sure I would have acted as well, because my mind would not admit that guy is trying to kidnap that child by force right in front of me as if I was not there!?
          The big lesson I need to remember is “better being safe than being sorry”!

    • Ray

      bystander effect is only when there are alot of people right? On the video ppl are passing by one. I think this is more like the Nanjing Judge effect.

      • Snarl

        The Nanjing Judge effect is only the case when there is a genuine belief that someone is going to press charges against you for helping. This was a 2 year old girl. These people were not thinking that the girl, or her parents, would press charges against them. These people either didn’t want to be inconvenienced or they suffer from abnormal levels of social anxiety, and since this is China, probably both.
        What makes me almost as sick as the video is the netizen comments, more than half of which appear to be trying to justify inaction in that situation.

        • Ray

          I am not saying that the bystander’s action was justified by the case with the Judge, but just that it was probably going through the minds of some of those bystanders (especially once one person act like nothing has happened, the rest can just join in). If this video did not exists in the first place, it is a possibility for the parents to blame a bystander. They are won’t be blaming the bystanders just because they can, they will do it for several reasons and the most obvious one will be for hospital bills, another will just be greed and they also might hold you responsible for their child’s injury. They might see it like this:

          The child goes off playing by herself, suddenly you find her unconcious and near death and some random guy is picking her up or holding her or in this video, dragging her off to the side by the old lady, they can suggest that action has caused her more injury and demand compensation.

          • Just John

            Actually, in part I will agree with Snarl, in part I will agree with you.
            I think things like the Nanjing effect plays its part, but I doubt they think “Little girl laying on road, Nanjing Judge, cannot help”…

            I think that things such as the Nanjing court decision has altered the behavioral patterns, which in turn has changed others willingness to help others out, but in no way do I actually think that they reflect on that. Basically, I think that society as a whole has learned from those types of interactions, and has become more “tunnel visioned” against things that do not directly affect them.

            So while you can say the Nanjing case might have its role, I think it is just one piece in a total puzzle.

      • guizi

        I think there were some people in the Chinese video, and the right side are stores of some kind, so I think the bystander effect still can be applied.

        But you are right. the bystander effect may not perfectly explain such situation. It is more like people simply avoid responsibility in emergency situations.

        So, this is the result of people avoiding involvement, the bystander effect, and the nanjing judge effect.

      • acheron

        I cant imagine how cold these 18 people were…what if that little is their daughter?
        If they didnt wanna get involved in anything like the Nanjing Judge, at least they can call the ambulance or police then walk away…

  • GodsHammer

    Unreal… cowardice should also have a penalty.

    • paradoxer

      The penalty for helping could be jail time or a big lawsuit in most other countries. And only in China is this a cowardly act, but I see it all the world and it’s no big deal as it happens all the time. Since we talking China, it’s in fashion.

      The high risk of being sued means that, sorry you will die.

      • GodsHammer

        The penalty for helping? WRONG…MOST countries (that I am familiar with) have a ‘Good Samaritan Law’.

      • Some Guy

        You sir, are a complete douche. Please die. Thank you.

  • hooots

    this would never happen in most places around the world. China, where is your heart? Where is your humanity? I want to love you but you make it so hard sometimes.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      I don’t think many China-apologists realize this about the Westerner that they paint with one brush: if people like hooots are catagorized as “anti-China” even though he/she fully admits that they “want to love [china] but … make it so hard]”, then they are catagorizing themselves and all of China as being a one-dimensional unfeeling entity that can’t show reason and compassion in a precarious situation.

      Anyways, let’s state the obvious: there are no heroes in China because the system encourages no one to be a hero. To be a hero in China, now or present, you have to fight against the system. (see: Dragon Boat Festival).

      My favorite translated comment is “the ayi doesn’t read the news on the internet”.

    • pervertt

      A nation of over 1 billion has been taught / warned / threatened to mind its own business, to look the other way whenever anything unpleasant happens. The video is a shocking indictment of the rot that has permeated social values in Chinese society. 5000 years of civilisation, thrashed in a only a few decades of indifferent government.

      • myriam

        i wouldn’t go so far to say that the last 5000 years of chinese history were civilized. Mao had more or less an easy game, cause the civilization you talk about was ready, means they were submissive long before communism took over. Same like Stalin used russians which already accepted higher powers like the Zar and the orthodox church. So when you are a dictator and want to rule with a totalitarian regime, then you would be dumb not to use that as a tool for your own success to control the masses. The communist party to nothing else, but people were ready for dictatorships long before that. One might say that its already transformed into some genetic codes and its maintained like you said with further teachings, warnings and threats, but i would say it was already there, so they just have to take care to maintain certain virtues of their citizens. I am sure there are exceptions within chinese society, but they are definitely in the minority. People can indeed change but i have my doubts that we will see any significant change in the near future in chinese society. Selfishness and corruption are hard to get rid of. I would say that for 5000 years, you need another 5000 years to get rid of certain negative virtues in peoples minds. For every generation which is poisoned with wrong ideals, you need to teach a complete another new generation to think the other way around, and there is no guaranty that you will be successful. From all the years i spend in china and south east asia, china is the only country where one can loose all hope.

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          Tis true. The first sign of losing all hope is the inability to indent.

        • Just John

          o, have faith.
          I gave up hope in all humanity a long time ago.
          So, giving up on people should not be applied only to China, but to the world.

          • myriam

            while i believe that most of the western world can transform and reach another and higher level of civilization, i have my doubts that china can do the same. I would say that south korea and japan are a big exception in south east asia, but its their mentality and discipline what makes the strong and different in the area. Most chinese lack both (mentality and discipline) or they execute it in a way which has decadent tendencies.

          • Crystal Brock

            i do agree with this. but dam…just makes me sad how effed up this world is….

        • pervertt

          Throughout history, people have lived under tyrants and still managed to look after their own. Yes, even under Mao, I don’t think this would have been allowed to happen in many places in China. How then has an entire society been dehumanised to the point that most people pretend not to see a badly injured toddler?

          I read once that if you change a government, you also change society. This was true in 1949, and it was also true when a generation later, the original communists were replaced by party hacks who did not always have the interests of ordinary Chinese in mind. Clearly, something dreadful has happened to Chinese citizens, many of whom operate in a moral vacuum and who see no obligation to help fellow citizens in trouble. It fills one with despair to see mass inhumanity on public display.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        While this is a reflection of certain government policies and practices, since this is more a reflection upon the nature of Chinese people who are still recovering from the Ming dynasty not returning to power (yeah, and all that foreign invasion stuff. Seriously).

        If this is a Communist thing, then we should see this type of thing in Cuba. If they had cars to drive, that is.

        • hooots

          Cuba comment funny. …Not makin light of this perfect storm of fucked up….

          They got cars they just old school fly. That’s why they love Castro. He hooks them up with the the fliest hooopdeees (what’s the correct spelling of hooopdeees? I’m American) ghetto sleds what we call em.

  • mr. weiner

    This would happen, in lots of places and still does. There was the Kitty Genovese case in the US where a young woman was raped and stabbed to death outside a NY tenement building and scores of onlookers failed to help. You can’t just point the finger at chinese folk for this, even though the average person on the street [in China]shows a great talent for being able to look the other way.

    • slavasz

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese it was in 1964. You should have remembered native Americans’ reservations :) and segregation ans Nazi and Stalin :)

      • mr. weiner

        Ta mate.
        The holocost , Uncle Joe and Herr Shlickengrubber are all great examples of human arseholishness[new adjective?] ,but they were all examples of this on a grand scale. I was trying to come up with something more personal and all about people going about their normal lives oblivious to others pain.
        Maybe another good example of the calousness of people in “developed” countries would be the plague of litigations tthat occured in the US durring the 80′s were people would sue others for giving them the hiemlich[?] manuver and inadvertantly pop a disk etc.
        The point I’m trying to make is that calousness and selfishness are not only Chinese traits, they are human traits.

        • Gaoxiang Chen

          I studied the Kitty case in a social psychology class in college. You know that the conclusion was exaggerated right? The media spin made it really bad whereas people actually did help.

    • Ray

      This is the 2011, don’t tell me you are comparing 1964 US with 2011 China.

      • Just John

        You think there is that much separation between 1964 US AND 2011 China? Guess you have not been to China then…

        • Ray

          Hmmm… wah?

          Ok, mr weiner said that this happens everywhere because it happened in US in 1964.

          I go to say that “Comparing 2011 China with a 1964 US is not helping when one is trying to defend China”

          So my points is: If you are comparing 2011 China with a 1964 US, then China is really in deep shit.

          and yeah I haven’t been to China in at least 10 years :D (lucky!)

          • Just John

            I was just pointing out that in many ways, China is similar to that era in the US. The mass construction, the industrialization level, the infrastructure, blah blah blah.

            As for the social awareness, they may be similar, or different. My mother was 7 years old at that time, so I can’t really compare and contrast on the social evolution of the two different countries in those respective times.

    • Stu

      To quote wikipedia:
      “None of the witnesses observed the attacks in their entirety. Because of the layout of the complex and the fact that the attacks took place in different locations, no witness saw the entire sequence of events. Most only heard portions of the incident without realizing its seriousness, a few saw only small portions of the initial assault, and no witnesses directly saw the final attack and rape in an exterior hallway, which resulted in Genovese’s death”
      I agree about not just pointing the finger at China, but this is somewhat different to walking past an injured girl and not calling an ambulance.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        Backing Stu up: all the hype and press regarding Kitty Genovese’s death as a phenomenon is unwarranted since it didn’t happen as it’s believed (with people actively looking on but not actively participating – like a car accident in China with lots of hands folded behind the back). This rather too bad since it is the basis for Rorshach of the Watchmen, but is rather good since it started Neighborhood Watch and 911 and all that.

        And Stu: c’mon dude… quote Wikipedia? You’re better than that.

        • Gaoxiang Chen

          Actually a research study has found Wikipedia to be just as reliable as the Britannica in terms of accuracy.

      • Brett Hunan

        It’s true, Kitty’s case has been largely disproved over time.

        That’s not really the important thing though. I don’t know why these people chose not to react and help. I can’t think of one good reason. Somebody already posted something to the effect of “pulling out a cell phone and calling” isn’t interfering with the child’s condition and would have been a big help.

        Honestly there is no good psychological mumbo-jumbo excuse anyone can use to describe the rational behind look at a girl, crushed on the street, and not do something…..

    • GodsHammer

      Wow…people love talking about a 60 year old case where a young woman screamed at night that she was being attacked by a man with a knife! Very different than some dumbass running over a baby with a car and driving off… and everyone seeing or just walking by and not even stopping.

      • http://google x

        How biased can you be? Even if it was 60 year old and in the past the young woman was still raped and murdered, not to mention having 38 onlookers having witnessed it. Even if it isn’t similar to this case of the poor little girl having run over in terms of being ignored by bystanders, you can’t compare the two and say one is more or less unimportant than the other. Lives are taken here and everyone’s lives is of equivalent worth. Unless you would like for me to compare you to a speck of dirt, kill you and say it’s nothing compared to this poor little girl here.

  • Angry

    This is one of the worse news I have seen, by far!!…What is the China Gov doing about it!!! To them its just an accident?? Please people, news reporter, locals…if you have a heart of human, please show it..convince the government that this should not be tolerated at all, PERIOD!!! If the child is their own, how would they feel! Technology is so advance, I believe if they government is willing, they can do anything to catch the driver and do justice for the child & family!!!
    My sympathy goes to the parents of the child, be strong…she really need you to be strong for her, for her future!!!

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      What should the government do? Pass a law forbidding callousness the way they forbid the wearing of pyjamas during the Olympics/Expo?

      This has to come from the Chinese people, but right now being Chinese only means “let’s get rich” and nothing else — it’s even an ideal mandated by the government with all the “the quality of life will only get better” propaganda. But, the Chinese people are inlfluenced by the govt and the courts, so we’ll have people with money who will donate it all to charity before they die as a “afterlife hong bao”.

      • Suicidal tendency

        Ahem!
        At least they could start by preventing Samarithans to go in jails or facing the burden of bearing hospitals bills and compensating the family!

        You should really go back read the Nanjing’s case. The judge made his decision upon the principle of “common sense states that you wouldn’t help if you were not somewhat guilty!”.

        Even a pedestrian could be accused of having made the wounds worse and asked for compensation.
        For your information: it is admitted in China that policemen will shortcut to the “easiest” explanation: the bypasser is somewhat guilty, so the family will be compensated and stop coming back. Case closed in 1hour.

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          Talking about helping people is equated to the compensation of money?

          Wow. It’s true; people in China are getting richer every day. And, they’re only getting more money since there’s no room for anything else.

          “Chinese are so shrewd that they only believe what they need to believe.” (thanks A. Dumas!)

          • Suicidal tendency

            You don’t put that in equation because you’re not permanently living on the edge: low income, no social protection of any kind.
            You fall? Then your whole family could fall too!

            Or just think: what would you do if a judge decided that you need to pay 0.9 times your salary to the other party every month forever? You just can’t imagine this could happen, so you don’t understand why these people can be afraid!

            Read back the story of that old man who fell in the street. Nobody moved until he shouted loud “I fell by myself! It’s nobody else’s fault!” then several people rushed to help him.

          • myriam

            S t,

            so you think the 18 passersby did nothing cause they were afraid they could be held accountable for making a phone call ?

            Are you seriously suggesting that even the women with her child would end up on court for calling an ambulance ? and that would be punished to pay 0.9 times her salary to the parents of the 2 years old ? Don’t you think you stretch the nanjing scenario a bit too far ? Again, there is no excuse for ANYONE of the 18 for not calling an ambulance or to inform someone in one of the shops nearby. What i see right now are just excuses for ones selfishness and ignorance for doing nothing out of convenience, cowardness, ignorance and carelessness toward others which are in need for help. And we are talking about life saving help and not about help to an old lady which has fallen down. Life was not saved out of ignorance from 18 people which just watched and passed by, means that they all should be held accountable for the death of the girl. The mother should be held accountable too for not taking her monitoring responsibilities serious enough and the first driver for driving over her and fleeing from the scene. It will be interesting to observe how the police and government will deal with this case. I could bet it will another “keep quite and don’t disturb the peace” thing.

          • Just John

            myriam, are you suggesting he is wrong?
            Are you saying that you are so knowledgeable to know that this would not happen?
            Are you suggesting that your crystal ball already told you she would be a hero, and nothing would happen to her?

            I keep seeing you blah blah blah excuses, excuses, excuses.
            Are we saying we accept this? I haven’t, ST didn’t. I don’t think anyone here says it is right. We are giving you reasons for the behavior based on knowledge of the culture, not excuses on why we think the people were correct in their decision.

            Gosh, I feel like I am kicking a horse here that hasn’t moved in the past week….

            So, you have been reading comments. Have you seen the ones about how the ayi was wrong, and probably caused more damage? Is it a far step from that to “She would have lived, but you picked her up”? Is this so implausible to your mind that you cannot grasp the concept? If so, you apparently have not been around China much, because otherwise you would see many things that defy your logic, natural senses, and faith in humanity…

            So, keep on standing on that ivory box of yours and keep on trying to claim that you have some profound knowledge of the inner workings of the Chinese psyche. Meanwhile, I am tired of kicking this horse, so think I will move on to dividing by 0.

            O, and PS. You want us to count the number of Chinese who were killed, impoverished, imprisoned, etc. for “doing the right thing”? Rhetorical question, please do not answer it. I am through with you.

          • myriam

            John,

            why are you overreacting ? I just said that i found it doubtful (even for chinese standards) that the women with the child would be punished for calling the ambulance. You and st make claims which assume that exactly that would happen. And you both base your expertise and conclusion on what ? While you both play in your minds all kind of worst case scenarios, you still didn’t come up with why you think that even a simple phone call can get the women with the child into trouble.

            Sorry in advance but for me it seems that some foreign man, for whatever reason, try very hard to understand the chinese behavior which is not necessarily a bad thing, I just don’t believe that there is much to understand at all when someone looks at the video and has a couple of years in depth experience by living in china. You guys are trying to find excuses after excuses, but there is nothing which can justify the ignorance which was visible in the video. I didn’t expect a local to stop and take immediate care of the 2 year old, but the least I, a human, the small girl, could expect is that at least some of the 18 would take out their phone and call the ambulance, or go into one the many shops nearby to ask them to call or ask for assistance. Fact is that none of that happened, and that wasn’t cause they were all afraid cause of the nanjing case, thats BS. No, what we all saw was PURE ignorance of the situation and the typical “don’t get involved its none of your business”. I am not surprised that chinese netizens try to find justifications for the reaction of the 18, but a foreigner which comes up with all kind of scenarios, when in fact there is NOTHING which can justify their inactions. Chinese netizens just look to find an excuse, simply cause they know they would do the same, so it can be considered self protection. And who knows maybe some of the foreigners here are also kinda trapped into chinese culture, maybe engaged with a local wife or GF and in the same way try to understand and find an excuse for the sometimes unreasonable behavior of people within their own environment. I don’t ask you if your post was some kind of self protection post, but it reads like some of the stuff one can read from the chinese netizens reactions.

            The (what most foreigners and chinese assume) mysterious chinese culture and behavior, could it be that after all there is nothing secret and mysterious about it. Looking at the video, part of it looks kinda simple and obvious in my opinion. The passersby killed her, so its 0:18, and the 18 even include a mother with her child. Thats a fact and not a mystery, don’t make out if it the usual, but yes can mean no and no can mean yes and doing nothing could mean, well…depends on the outcome how things work out, then we will figure out what doing nothing means. Since the outcome is now more then obvious and the facts are on the table, should we now argue about the “chinese psyche”, their fears, their history, how life made out of them selfish pricks, how they are forced to be ignorant in daily life to be able to make a living and survive. It might surprise you but even people without money, people which live under even harder conditions and more life unfriendly environments and in more dangerous situations, can still keep their dignity, can develop personalities and act in moral ways. Now when we put into consideration that i just expected a phone call……sure the 2 year old would have appreciated that. Sometimes its like it is, B&W, no secrets, no mysteries, just the simple truth in form of a video recording, nothing to find excuses for, just sad,naked,cold blooded truth in form of 18 spineless cowards.

          • Just John

            All I see is blah blah blah I lack basic comprehension skills.
            Why?
            I specifically said no one is trying to excuse it, just explain why it was not unusual or unexpected.
            Want to try reading my replies again and tell me where I defend? You will fail because me, ST, others explained…not defended.

          • Suicidal tendency

            myriam:

            What’s important is not if this could happen or not, it’s whether these people believe it could happen! And they have a lot of stories of people being badly punished for being good to strangers.

            You see that through the video recording. They didn’t know there is a CCTV there!

            You assume they won’t get in troubles by helping. They know enough counter-example to decide they don’t want to take the risk!
            If there was no CCTV, police would try to find an easy explanation because they don’t care and don’t want to bother. How would they find the van? Ah! Too complicated! But the people who called an ambulance, we got his/her number! So let’s say he/she accidentally pushed the child under a van, felt guilty, and so called for help. Sounds reasonable enough. The victim’s family won’t contest because you offer them someone to blame and a source of compensation. The judge won’t bother as well, because if nobody’s rich here, he won’t get a red envelop anyway. So let’s expedite the whole thing!

            You think this is unlikely? These people probably think it is possible, and therefore don’t act!

            Another bystanders effect: in a previous article on this very website, someone was crushed on a road at night, and a lot of cars went by or even ran over the corpse (almost impossible to see at night). It took a while before a car stops (before the corpse, important detail) and call police.

            Check the comments from local: anybody who accidentally rolled over the long dead and hardly visible corpse and call police would be charged for murder because police won’t bother looking for another explanation! Ask local people around you, they will all say the same thing!
            A recent survey asked people whether they would help an elderly who fell in the street. 80% say no or not sure, because they’re afraid of being accused of pushing the elderly.

            Our societies teach and us and push us to help strangers in troubles. China proves them everyday they’d better walk away!

            Is it bad? Yes, definitely. Should they have ignored this possibility? Hey, who are you to decide they should risk everything? Maybe they too have a 2 years old at home and want to take care of their children themselves!

          • Just John

            ST, I have discovered, don’t try to explain. She won’t get it. About as dense as a rock. She will just think you are excusing them, and fail to realize that you are merely explaining the why behind it.

          • myriam

            “in a previous article on this very website, someone was crushed on a road at night, and a lot of cars went by or even ran over the corpse (almost impossible to see at night). It took a while before a car stops (before the corpse, important detail) and call police.”

            ok, and what happened to the one who stopped before the corps and called the police ? Was he put into jail, paid compensation, was declared guilty by a judge ? Are his children now mocked in school and his whole neighborhood spits on his family ? let us know !

            if someone in a car can stop in front of a corpse and call the police, why a passer by mother with her child is not able to call anonymously for an ambulance when she sees a 2 year old covered in blood on the floor ?

            so what happened to the guy who called the police ? and according to your logic, the mother with the child in the video would be accused that she pushed the child under the van, felt guilty, and therefor called for help ? And THAT sounds reasonable to you ? You might think that china is completely underdeveloped and some of it might be true, but to think that the mother with the child would risk anything by calling an ambulance is indeed faaaar fetched. I doubt that any of the things YOU described crossed the women’s mind. She was at no time at any risk and nothing would have happened to her afterwards. But she should be charged and punished for her ignorant, selfish and cowardliness behavior.

          • Just John

            ST, see what I mean?
            You explain these kinds of things go through peoples minds, and myriam suddenly wants proof that these people suffered that fate.

            She seems to miss the point that, it doesn’t matter what reality is and what occurs, it matters what people perceive reality to be and what they fear could occur. That is what makes people decide what actions they wish to take. But myriam fails to realize that people will base their actions on the results they think could occur, and therefore will react in ways that others may feel are irrational, but seem perfectly rational to them.

            As I told you Suicidal tendency, don’t bother trying to explain to myriam, she won’t get it, and she will automatically jump to conclusions that are based in her own irrational mind, instead of actually comprehending what you said, like 100% of all cases will go like this, or you are trying to excuse their behavior.

            I like to refer to this as “knee jerking”, where people will react without thinking. The only problem is, myriam does not seem to stop knee jerking, even when she is presented with the reasoning. Give it up man. It’s like beating your head against the wall, only this wall keeps typing the same stuff over and over again.

  • akuma

    You have no idea how furious I was yesterday watching this vid on the news, absolutely no humanity! Couldn’t believe that driver just took off and all those passers-by did shit all! People who feel pity for that driver? Think about this, whatever you do, no matter it’s an accident or not, it’s still your responsibility!

    • Strangerland

      Well, you can’t really see it in black-white. The Chinese commenters already talk about the Nanjing Judge case- I guess the real blame here is the society as whole and stupid Judges. They’re afraid if they help, the parents of the girl end up accusing them as the ones who crashed into their daughter-translated: money money money- now would you think it’s fair if you help and end up being accused as the perpetrator so you have to pay a lot of money- money that you possibly don’t have?
      I know it’s not right to think every single person you help would be ungrateful bitch, but how would you know? How would you know that kind-looking couple you help won’t end up accusing you of crime you don’t do, all because they’re being ungrateful- maybe due to their circumstances as well?
      If you ask me, the ones who kill this little girl beside the obvious drivers are: The Nanjing Judge(and other Chinese Judges who’s just like him), and the first Ungrateful bastard who accuse her/his helpers as the perpretators.
      I guess until the Chinese Government instill gratitude lessons on its people you can expect more avoidance from passerby when they see such incidents. Sad, but it’s the fact of life in China.

      • Keius

        Sigh, this is the result of having a Gov’t + Justice system + Law enforcement that the citizens have no confidence or trust in. It’s a really messed up trickle down effect that’s turned Chinese society into the mess that it’s in now.

        This article makes me angry and sad at the same time.

      • Jayne

        This was on camera though..are ppl unaware there’s surveillance cameras there? The video footage would show if they were only trying to help her, but either way – camera’s or not..I still can’t wrap my mind around how people could just walk by that baby lying there like that and not help. It’s beyond my imagination. There is nothing that would prevent me from doing what I could to try and help her. Certainly no worries over any “Nanjing Judge”, or being sued. I mean this was a 2 year old BABY!, lying there in the road, alone and seriously injured. Someone wants to sue me or whatever – I wouldn’t care, I’d deal with that later if necessary. If I saw something like this..the first and only thing that would be on my mind would be doing whatever I could to help that poor little baby.

  • jiayi

    Why am I not surprised at all.

    • paradoxer

      Because this happens all over the world, in any country that has cars for a long time and now China has cars, so this kinds of things are expected to happen there as well.

      So no surprise.

      • Xiongmao

        China has many cars but few drivers. I bought a car 3 months ago and if I hadn’t been an atheist I’d consider it a miracle I haven’t been involved in an accident yet. While there of course are considerate, careful drivers in China my guess is that 2-5 percent of the car/motorbike/scooter drivers are either: 1. Unaware of traffic laws. 2. Choose not to follow them or 3. Are inconsiderate, selfish bastards. (Might want to include 4: All of the above for good measure). It really takes 110 percent attention and 99 percent defensive driving to make it around here.

        As late as an hour ago coming home I saw 2 parents and 2 kids on a motorbike without lights and mud-covered reflectors doing 60-70 inside the city at 9 in the evening. It was the closest call yet when they swerved into my lane. Needless to say the dad had a smoke in his mouth and a cellphone in his hand. No f’cking wonder the road fatalities in China hit 9-10 wan a year.

  • PFFFF

    And you say Africans are dirty and barbaric, you chinese people are just dirty and heartless and only think of yourself, i had to be a bottle sweeper to help this child, a person that you discriminate on, you are all dirty, whereever you are and how kind you thnk you are, YOU ARE DIRTY IN EVERYWAY

    • paradoxer

      May be so, but in Africa they leave the rotting bodies laying in the hot roads and don’t bother to remove them. Not even the dying blacks on the roads in Africa can get any attention from a dirty bottle sweeper, so forget it if they were of different color.

    • Xiongmao

      Both my cousins and my parents’ long time friends have travelled and worked for many years around in Africa for NGOs and different UN organizations. Based on what they’ve told me I believe you might be opening a giant can of worms if you wanna begin comparing Africa and China like that.

  • http://www.matthewsawtell.com Matthew A. Sawtell

    {pause} Mencius? Cripes, between him and Mao, no wonder the ‘moral compass’ of P.R. China seems to be spinning around randomly.

  • Li RuiKe

    This is why we need a hell, a place of eternal weeping and gnashing of teeth. Whenever you see the least of all people needing help and you refuse to give it, you are hellbound goat.

  • Noondog

    I’m sick and tired of the apologetics, this has nothing to do with Nanjing Judges, and everything to do with the fact that your typical chinese person is a heartless coward who cares nothing for other people unless it involves money.

    Luxun would have watched this not been surprised.

    May the bystanders and drivers go to hell. And may the people leaving comments saying that they would have done the same thing? Go to hell as well.

    • Andao

      This.

      There’s always a reason why it’s not my fault in China.

  • Andy

    (These) Chinese people are fu*king scum !

    • DC

      Yay! Let’s use this as an opportunity to bash China and it’s people instead of feeling sorry for the little girl and her family!

      Do you remember the British lady who got caught throwing a cat in the bin? Wouldn’t it be ridiculous if people around the world started saying how all British people are kitty binners?

      • Andao

        What was the response to that though? Most people were probably disgusted. The Chinese response is “it’s not my fault.” or “I would have also run away”

      • hooots

        This is a random collection of 18 people who all did a heartless heartless thing. …more heartless than binning a kitty. You think that randomly 18 super shitty people happened to all be walking down the same street?

        • whododat

          Where as in Canada you will not see this kind of thing on TV, even though it happened to a Chinese women from China.

          Yes it did, she was hit not once, not twice but three times by 3 different cars and nobody ran to help her, not for many hit and runs later.

          People are people, they are ALL the same, no matter where on earth they are from or the color of their skin.

          But different culture makes for a different country.

          • loldong

            Perhaps you should go back to China? It’s actually against the law in Canada.

  • german

    wtf at chinese trying to justify the bystanders doing nothing, what a bunch of soulless pigs

    only in china

    • paradoxer

      You know where a person can get sued for helping a person that is hit by a car?

      The big lawsuit capital of the world, that’s where. Even the cops would tell ya not to move the body or touch it anywhere to see if that person was hurt. Not even if that person was dying or bleeding to death.

      Not even a doctor would help in many street accident cases without taking the risk of losing his license. Too be sure.

      • si

        This comments smack of ignorance. The “big lawsuit capital of the world”, among other countries has a law to protect people from being sued when assisting or serving other in need of help, it’s called the Good Samaritan Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law.

        The law clearly and specifically is designed to protect laypeople and even medical professionals, such as doctors, alike whilst their are not on-the-job from legal liability persecution.

        • Just John

          So would you mind finding the Good Samaritan law in China for us? Because by cases like the Nanjing case, it appears either it is lacking or unknown.

          Until then, please do not quote other countries laws as relevant to this situation…

          • si

            Refer to my comment posted Sunday, October 16, 2011 at 6:54 pm.

            Here’s an article from a China media source which you may find relevant

          • si
          • Just John

            So what is your point “yes”? You claim his comment smacks of ignorance, and then quote a law that you in fact have said China “needs”, not “has”. So instead of incorrectly saying that good Samaritan laws apply to others helping in China, which is what I thought you were stating at first, you instead are using another countries laws to state why paradoxer is ignorant?

            So, next time, stick to making comments that are relevant, and then no one will be confused by what you are saying.

          • Just John

            See “Yes”, even your article states that paradoxer’s comments were not in ignorance, but were spot on.

            So, care to continue trying to convince me that I am wrong in assuming your an idiot for claiming how his comment “smacks of ignorance”?

          • si

            This is the noise that goldfish make when people tap on their bowl

        • paradoxer

          Hey si, look at this, “Good Samaritan provisions are not universal in application. The legal principle of imminent peril may also apply.[10] In the absence of imminent peril, the actions of a rescuer may be perceived by the courts to be reckless and not worthy of protection. To illustrate, a motor vehicle collision occurs, but there is no fire, no immediate life threat from injuries and no danger of a second collision. If a ‘good Samaritan’ elects to ‘rescue’ the victim from the wreckage, causing paralysis or some other injury, a court may rule that good Samaritan laws do not apply because the victim was not in imminent peril and hold the actions of the rescuer as ‘reckless’ and unnecessary.”

          It’s from your bible.

          Not a medical student or a doc than don’t take a chance.

          The US law also says, “no person is required to give aid of any sort to a victim.”

          • si

            Good point in the extract, but it is one small arguable detail, as as the reference in the extract “… there are some gray areas to it.”

            The significant words in the extract are the words “may”; the law varies between country to country and state to state. The example from the extract seems familiarly linked to a ruling in one US state, California Supreme Court, van Horn vs Torti, http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/local/me-good-samaritan19.

            Case law across the world of the Good Samaritan Law is sparse, there are always gray areas of law and they are not suited to the debate of Internet forums, but for the lawmakers.

            The underlying theme of the Good Samaritan Law is clear though, “Good Samaritan laws are laws or acts protecting those who choose to serve and tend to others who are injured or ill. They are intended to reduce bystanders’ hesitation to assist…”.

            One point that should be highlighted about this particular case where a video helps us shed light, if China had a Good Samaritan Law and if there was provision in it stating the patient needed to be in imminent peril, could a rescuer been sued by the victim (or her family) for moving her and calling for help – it seems pretty clear that the victim would not be able to; the girl in this particular case was in imminent peril, lying in the road, to be run over not once, but twice.

          • Just John

            Know what my Grandpa always said?
            If frogs had wings, they wouldn’t bump their butts when they hopped.

            Moral of the stories, IF only wishes were wings… (“If” is useless)

            PS. si is Yes in Spanish…So no clue wtf your tapping on a goldfish tank means…

        • Mark

          China does not have a Good Samaritan Law. A lot of countries do, China does not. Fact is, if a person helped this girl, they could have been sued by the family based on the Nanjing judge who set the precident in 2006. Is it totally f-ed up? Absolutely. But is it reality? Absolutely.

      • german

        I’d rather be imprisoned unjustly than let a little girl die on the street.

        But people like you that have no soul don’t understand that.

        Good luck with your beeing a human goals in 2011.

        • myriam

          i studied in germany for over 4 years. I remember they have a law which is called something like : “unterlassene Hilfeleistung”, which means that the person which doesn’t help another person in danger, can be punished for doing nothing. By standing can also be punished if i remember right. While japanese and germans are considered “cold blooded”, I have found that in everyday life the opposite is true, they are to a major part very helpful and friendly. I think when this case, with video evidence would have happened in germany, all of the people in the video would have end up in court, including the mother, which hasn’t fulfilled her : “sorgfaltspflicht”, another great law. Hope i spelled the words right ?

          • paradoxer

            Yes myriam, the laws make the people in Europe behave and have to do what is right or they will be fined, jailed and heavily punished for doing nothing. So without the fear of the hard boot laws people in the EU are just like the Chinese people, evil and down right pigs.

            But who or what put that girl flat on the street? The driver of the van and he has bad karma for life.

          • Cyrus Howell

            You are pretty much correct Myriam, and have some interesting observations as well. I agree with most of what you have said (although I have not forgiven the Germans and Japanese for personal reasons).
            It may be interesting to note that most Northern European languages are difficult to spell, including German, English and French. The reason is the invention of the printing press (with movable type faces) became a huge money maker. Print shops sprang up everywhere. Everyone wanted Bibles in their own languages. Latter on other books were being printed, but each printer had his own way of spelling and pronouncing words (partly because of dialects). There was no standard for printers. As a result spelling is difficult. Languages like Russian and Spanish are pronounced phonetically (or just as they sound). That is not the case with German or English.
            Spelling in Europe had a lot to do with whether a country was Protestant or Roman Catholic (progressive or reactionary).

          • Kong

            Cyrus, are you joking? German is super phoenetic, with possibly two exceptions. Even with some of the ‘h’ and ‘r’ sounds, all its rules are internally consistent! It is completely the opposite of English or French!

        • Just John

          Well congratz to you german.
          What now happens to your family?
          What now happens to your kids?
          What happens to your aging parents who rely on you for support?
          How will your wife be able to support them?

          These are rhetorical questions to show that it is not all black and white like you claim it to be, but feel free to play the martyr.

          • myriam

            “What now happens to your family?
            What now happens to your kids?
            What happens to your aging parents who rely on you for support?
            How will your wife be able to support them?”

            i will solve this problems AFTER i have done my best to solve the other problem which is to try to be of help to a 2 year old who has been run over by a truck.

            I doubt that a simple phone call from a by passer, would result in a scenario that his/her family will starve to death, cause of that. It surprises me again and again, how people can play all kind of scenarios within their mind, but it would not occur to them to call for an ambulance. The women which passed by with the small girl pisses me of , cause she has a small kid on her own, but somehow even she didn’t make any effort to help the girl laying on the floor. You must admit that the “risk” that she will be accused to be involved is next to 0%. Same for the others which passed by walking or on a bicycle.

          • whododat

            Don’t know what these people know, but do or did they know that that baby girl was hit by 2 cars and was laying there hurt?

            Seems like nobody knew the cars hit the baby and none saw the accident happened.

            So by years conditioning, they won’t stop to find out.

            It’s like when I was walking down the streets of Toronto one day and I saw a $100.00 bill, I pass by without stopping to take a good look at it. The next person stop and got my money.

            WTF, that money was mine to have, and all I had to do was to stop and check it out.

          • Just John

            @myriam

            Guess you have not been reading some of the comments here from some of our actual Chinese, like Irvin and terroir.

            You claim it is so black and white, and yet fail to realize there is more than you might be aware of.

            Also, my reply was directly challenging the comment “I’d rather be imprisoned unjustly than let a little girl die on the street.”. Given the responsibilities of most Chinese individuals on income earning and maintaining a living for a family, this is not a rational response that reflects reality for most Chinese.

            As a foreigner, I would be free to jump right in, assist, and leave as a “hero”, but as it has been pointed out over and over and over and…..foreigners are not held to the same standard in China. If you are a Chinese citizen, you will be a second class citizen in your own country, and will find yourself in more trouble easier than a foreigner…

          • myriam

            Just John,

            strange you mention black/white, but its you, according to your words, who would jump in and help as a foreigner, but not if you were a chinese ? Thats pretty much black and white if you ask me. My b/w is that i would help either i am westerner OR chinese living in china under chinese rule and law. I said very clear in my post, I FIRST to what HAS to be done and will take care about the consequences later if necessary, even i VERY MUCH doubt that by example, the women with the small child would have to experience ANY kind of negative consequences which surpases a tiny little bit of her precious time which would be “wasted” on a simple phone call, or jump in one of the shops she was passing by to alert someone else. Fact is she did nothing and all of the others also did nothing. So what is your point ? The women with the child did not call for help, cause otherwise she would be punished by the police/chinese court ? Tell me , based on your logic and the logic of the chinese netizens, what bad things would have happened to the women with the child for making a phone call, or call someone else in one of the shops to help ? Fact is, she and all the others did NOTHING ! fact is that they completely ignored the fact that a small girl was laying on the floor in blood and the only thing which came to their mind was “just not get involved”. If you and most others think that has something to do with the nanjing case, then thats up to you. For me thats nothing else then an excuse, and the main reason this people all passed by without helping or calling for help or calling the ambulance was cause they just simply DONT GIVE a SHIT about others. Its like chairman Wen said: keep quite and don’t disturb the peace ! It doesn’t take much for a chinese to act like all the other ignorant sheep just minding his own business. Fact is when such things happen then its a human business and a human (in case he has developed as one), will feel the need to help. I don’t know under which circumstances one can excuse that NONE of the 18 has even called for an ambulance ? According to you logic and phone call from (what you call) a second class citizen, could get him into trouble. Again i have reasonable doubts, that even in china, the women with the child would get into any trouble cause of a phone call, do you ?

            The truck driver might have injured her seriously, BUT she was killed by the ones which passed by and did NOTHING and did not even show the slightest effort to call for an ambulance. Maybe you are too long in china and get used to the ridiculous things which are happening, but let me tell you that many of us, including me, live many years in china, and there are certain things we should NEVER under no circumstances loose…dignity comes to mind as an example. It helps when one has to look in a mirror from time to time and still want to feel like a human and not like a coward.

          • Just John

            Umm, insert words into my mouth much?

            Fact: I am a white guy, not a Chinese, so I can only comment on what I would do as who I am, not the hypothetical “Me as a Chinese guy”, since, well, I would not be me.

            Fact: Others stating their opinions here are Chinese, and they said how they would approach it from their Chinese perspective.

            You claiming what you would do if you were them clearly shows you are not them. It clearly shows that you are trying to pass your standards, experiences, and life onto them and hold them accountable to it. Fact is, you have no idea what is going on completely because you are not them, and you do not know what it means to be them. Do not assume that you would act differently if you were born into their lives because you would not, you would act like they do. Why? Because it would be in your social conditioning, it would be in your environmental influences, it would be in your very core.

            The fact is, you are trying to boil down an entire societies methods of surviving based on your own limited views. While I disagree with their actions, I am also able to think rationally enough to realize there is more behind this than you or I may think of. What about fear? Fear of blame? Fear of consequences? Fear of incarceration? You do not know what these people who walked by are thinking, nor the entire, complex social interactions at play that make this kind of scenario possible.

            Quite frankly, I will take my advice on why this occurs from terroir and Irvine before I give one iota to your soapbox stories, because they live in the very system that creates these situations, and they understand why this could happen.

            So, keep grasping, because others who are familiar with the reasons have already chimed in, and blew your entire argument out of the water.

            But don’t take my word for it. Feel free to read it from “real” Chinese in the translated comments at the top, from Irvine and terroir in the other comments.

            So now, you can take your “facts” and stuff them back in your ass where you got them, since they are clearly not very factual, but very opinionated.

          • myriam

            why always so aggressive and personal ? you should calm down a bit, you sound kinda frustrated !
            But let me tell you, fact is I know what is going on cause i watched the video. You again come up withe excuses for the 18 and still can’t come up with a reasonable explanation why no one has called an ambulance. Why you avoid that ?

            You explain that with “fear? Fear of blame? Fear of consequences? Fear of incarceration?”

            for what? for making a phone call ? but somehow it doesn’t occur to you that the 18 just don’t care at all. You and the other guy want to make us all believe that all chinese walk the whole day around with the nanjing case in mind, and when they see a 2 year old baby crashed on the floor, it automatically creates a fear complex within their brains, which let them walk away. Why you guys try to find excuses for actions which are not excusable ? This people simply passes by and did nothing and did not even called an ambulance anonymous cause they simply DONT CARE. They passed by out of ignorance and selfishness, cause it was NONE of their BUSINESS. You want to make us believe that all 18 had the nanjing case in mind and acted out of fear to get punished ? What BS is that ? That would mean that before the Nanjing case, never ever something like that happened in china ? Get real, you guys truly sound like the chinese netizens which like to justify their sympathy with the passers by out of their own selfish incompetence and ignorant cowardliness. As foreigners your only justifications could be that you guys are engaged with a chinese girl, and try hard to understand her selfish behavior and reaction. Please stop that, it isn’t so hard to be a human. The cowardliness of the 18 is inexcusable even they are hiding themselves behind the nanjing case, which is pure nonsense. Fear is also double sided, it can indeed hold people away from a moral actions, but it can also be helpful to make a moral action. BUT this video show that from whatever angle you look at what happened, the score will always be 0:18 ! and that IS a fact !

            You push this results on “complex social interactions”. Again BS !

            You can however, keep on trying to finding excuses for spineless cowardliness incompetence. Fact is the girl is dead and the 18 which just passed by were given a green card by you afterall. I know understanding as you are for this lowlives, and if you were in the situation of this 2 year old you would probably think all the time, ” oh, this poor passers by, they are not bad people, its their harsh environment they live in which prevents them from helping me. It must be all this complex social interactions at play which somehow prevent them to make a phone call and call an ambulance”, but lets hope a foreigner pass by, cause my chances would increase dramatically, cause all this chinese which just look and pass by must all have a deep nanjing judge complex. ?

            PS, even it might be hard for you, but please keep the discussion civil, there is no need for such sort of vocabulary you used at the end. Frustrations can be overcome, same like cowardliness, try some meditation or anti aggressiveness group training.

          • Just John

            sigh, more blah blah blah.

            Actually, I just like knocking people off soapboxes, so not frustrated, just laughing at watching you chase your tail until you get so dizzy you fall off.

            And calling an idiot and idiot is not attacking, it’s calling it like I see it. You still claim I am doing something I am not. I am explaining, but hey, you still lack comprehension skills.

            Nanjing case was but 1 case where someone who did the right thing got punished. Read more articles here, and you will see more and more cases of people who tried to do the right thing and got smacked down.

            Maybe you need to calm down, seeing as how you cannot seem to understand the words you are reading to understand what I am actually saying.

            Anyways, I am tired of you. The crack is seriously hurting your thinking ability, so until you finish your rehab, I will now proceed to ignore you.

          • myriam

            wrong Johnny boy,

            you don’t just like knocking people off soapboxes. It becomes obvious that you ARE frustrated and you have some deep personal issues. I really don’t like to get personal like you, but reading your posts and the hopeless tries to justify the cowardliness of the 18 passer by. You MUST be one of these foreign man engaged with a local chinese women who is trying really hard to understand “chinese culture” and the emotionally desensitized environment and society you live in. You are not much different from the chinese netizens which try to find excuses for the passer by, cause of their own guilt and cowardliness. I assume that you do the same , which is to find excuses for the “strange” behavior of your chinese partner/wife/GF. Don’t try to hard to understand chinese culture and to think and act chinese, thats ridiculous. Be proud of what you are and your values. So far, judging from your comments you failed miserably by trying to live up to your wives and chinese environment/society standards/values.

            Calling people names and blablabla comments, doesn’t provide any help in a discussion, it just show you own helpless character and incompetence. Fact is you can’t justify your wives standards and way of thinking by trying to find excuses for the passers by, when it might occur to you that your partner would most likely do the same like the 18 and you try very hard to find excuses for that ?

            I also see that you still don’t give up your Nanjing blabla:-). Stop trying to be a chinese, thats embarrassing, and there is nothing to understand about chinese culture except some customs and food, cause they lack everything else big time.But to who i am talking to, you most likely witness that on a daily basis at home:-)

            So please calm down, take a deep breath, stop the name calling and at least pretend that you are a gentlemen, cause as someone who is suppose to understand chinese behavior you failed miserably. I just can hope that you are NOT some of this foreign losers which live in china and try really hard to justify their own incompetence in life by justifying cowardliness behavior of locals which are around them.

          • Just John

            o blah blah blah.

            Lets try facts again:
            No, I completely disapprove of the 18 passerby’s.

            So, does that explain the fact that I do indeed agree with you?

            But, since I am giving you the “REASONS” that Chinese may do that, you assume I am defending and approving of their behavior? Does that mean that no one can play devils advocate? No one may actually explain something logically without them agreeing with it? Again, you are an idiot who is failing to comprehend.

            A little FYI, since you seem to feel that I am trying to be so Chinese. I am married to a Taiwanese, and am currently living in Taiwan, and the behavior difference between the two are very different. I am quite proud of being an American, and recognize my own flaws of thinking that I am superior because others do things that I think are irrational, absurd, or even downright stupid in my mind. At the same token, because I recognize it, I work to stop myself from letting my baser instincts and prejudices kick in so that I “knee jerk” like I see you doing over and over and over again.

            As for understanding different cultures, part of my education is in cross cultural understanding and negotiations. Of course I try to understand, for one it is part of my interest to understand the complex interactions between and within cultures. In part it is also because I am living in a cross cultural environment, living in a Chinese culture while at the same time being a very American individual.

            As for Nanjing incident, you keep pretending that nothing else has occurred. You missed the old man falling and no one assisting until he announced that he fell on his own. You missed the fact that in China, your phone call would indeed be associated with you. You have no anonymity in that because they track numbers with people. You miss the fact that courts could find the ayi guilty of making the child worse because of inaccurate methods of response, and there is no good samaratin laws to protect her. You miss reading other Chinese comments and how they are socialized with an inherent “SEP” mentality (Someone else’s problem), and it has been brutally beaten into them.

            Go through all the stories in Chinasmack, and you will find me arguing about how inhumane Chinese are because of things like this, and how cowardly they are (Like the woman being knifed by her son, and only a foreigner stopped to help her). Me, I play devils advocate to make you “Think”, but you fail to think and keep beating a drum that I never brought out. You keep trying to put words into my mouth and claim that is my personal feelings on the situation.

            I never claimed they were right. I never claimed they should do that. I also never labeled them in any ways, because I would label them the same way you do, but I am not arguing that, I am E-X-P-L-A-I-N-I-N-G Why they would do that. Do not think for a moment that I agree with them. Do not think that I do not harbor my own opinions about them for their inaction.

            Now, you still have not yet comprehended what I have said, and you are beginning to piss me off because you keep labeling me as something I am not. So please, GTFO off my internet, because you are seriously wasting my time and showing yourself more and more of an idiot.

            (O, and great one there: “stop the name calling” and “foreign losers” makes your case so much more powerful…Call the kettle black much? Idiot.)

  • http://chinasmacks.com john musa

    Do not really understand who to blame…where was the mother…to leave her child out alone wandering..looks like humanity died in china…this is a shocking news..overall is the society to be blamed..? its totally different back home in my country..as many news are seen or heard..where irate locals..beat the driver or in many cases burn the vehicle..and above all..there are many helping hands who come forward ..i am disheartened by chinese act of selfishness and self centered attitude…money can buy everything ..but it cannot buy morality..it will take a lot to be a good Samaritan

    • Nyancat

      I think everyone has to share a bit of the blame, the parents for letting their kid run unsupervised which is something I have seen a lot of here in China and elsewhere, the bastard drivers for just speeding off and the scum bystanders for not moving a muscle to help this child. If we all use the example of the Nanjing judge as an ‘excuse’ not to help another person in need, we are nothing but animals, hell even animals look after their own.

      • Suicidal tendency

        I suggest you to go back read the story about that old man who felt on the floor and coulnd’t get up. He asked for help: everybody was hesitating. Then he shouted loud “I fell by myself! It’s nobody else’s fault!” and only then people rushed to help him.

        According to your criterias, they’re animals, aren’t they?

        And you, comfortably insulting people from behind your screen, would you take the risk to have your life ruined by the very same ungrateful person you consider rescuing in exchange of a good consciousness? Do you have so few to lose in life?

        You know the worst? I think it would be easier to actually risk your life to rescue someone anywhere else than to safely help someone in China.
        Because if anything goes bad, you will be treated like a heroe. In China, if things go well, you might be depicted as a criminal with no moral (you pushed that old person, you hurted that child, etc.)

        • Nyancat

          Here’s the thing I have been in such situations before, helping people and then getting kicked in the nuts for doing so, but that hasn’t changed me or my ideals. So yes I call these people animals, it wasn’t some old conniving bitch
          (the nanjing case) this was a child and there is no friggin excuse not to help, I don’t give a shit what the situation was, hell there was even CCTV footage, how in the hell could u be found guilty of doing something when there is clear evidence contrary to that?
          I don’t really care what other people think/say or do I have MY beliefs and MY ideals, whether you let society or a bad situation change ur mind about anything would ultimately mean that you have no conviction or are weak minded.
          I’m still sticking by my statement, and just so you know I have a lot to lose, I have a beautiful son and wife but that doesn’t mean I would let someone die, hell the least these assholes could have done was to call emergency services, any excuse you want to give me for that? I’m waiting.

          • Suicidal tendency

            First of all: not everybody has the superpower to detect CCTV cameras wherever they go. Glad for you you can…
            Otherwise, here is what get through your mind: “Common sense in the society rule says that if you hadn’t push that child under the van, you wouldn’t care about calling for help.”

            Then you can explain you wife and your kids why all the neighborhood look down on them, why other children mock yours at school, and why you need to give most of your income to the victim’s family every single month. Because dad is a hero, of course. Yeaaah!

            Fortunately for you, as a foreigner, you most likely make enough money for you and your family to be able to survive even after paying the monthly pension. Justice won’t give a shit about these helping bypassers income too low to feed 2 families.

            And the best thing is that in the worst case, you can go back home with your family. What about these fellows in the street?

            Finally, do us a favor, find the different links around showing similar situations happening in USA and come back explaining why it’s different.

          • Nyancat

            you make a compelling argument, but there is a saying, ‘those who can, do; those who can’t, teach’. Common sense says that you should call for help when someone is in trouble? Ok now you’re just making stuff up, a question for you, what if the person in trouble was perhaps a family member of yours? Would u appreciate the fact that noone called for help or would u be thankful that they at least did that, I really want to know what you have to say to that.
            Look I used to make excuses to skip class and crap like that, it was harmless, but making excuses not to save a person’s life is just plain WRONG.
            You make many assumptions about me but that’s all they are. About the same situations that happen in the US or anywhere else in the world the people are still the same indifferent, apathetic animals, do you think this is some sort of pissing contest about which country has suffer’s the most from the ‘bystander effect’?
            I guess we both see the world differently, but really if you had the chance to save someone’s life by lets say calling emergency services are you going to tell me you wouldn’t do that? I’m very curious to know.

          • myriam

            Nyancat,

            St, same like John, try very hard to find excuses and justifications.

            Not just that, they want everybody to believe and play the wildest scenarios out of their minds, that a simple phone call will get you into jail, you will be punished to pay 90% of your salary until the end of your life and now i can even read that your children will be mocked in school and your complete neighborhood will look down on you.

            If this 2 would just use 10% of their energy which they waste for their ridiculous scenario imaginations and justifications for the actions of the 18 cowards which just passed by, one could try to consider that they are on some sort of way to become man.

            Don’t expect an honest answer, cause you will not get one about why they think that the mother with her child could get into trouble for anonymously calling for an ambulance ? Oh wait, according to their extensive china experience, the police would track her phone number back, would arrest her and her child for being “involved” in the death of the 2 year old. The parents of the 2 year old would sue her for the involvement in the killing of their baby, and she will have to pay 90% of her salary as compensation until the rest of her useless life. More over her own child would be mocked at school and the whole neighborhood would turn against her family making her whole families life miserable.

            Mind you, this coming from the imaginary minds of 2 foreigners :-)

            while the truth might be very simple, which is that all passer by, just thought “thats none of my business, so why i should get involved”. I somehow doubt that they all thought about (or even know) the nanjing case, which was of course also a completely different situation then the one we saw in this video. There is no excuse and justification for doing nothing, not even calling an ambulance. And helpless trying to justify such cowardliness just shows ones own incompetence and weakness.

          • Just John

            myriam, you still have not proven that things like that is not what goes through their minds. How do you know that it is not the worst of possible outcomes that go through someones mind when they contemplate if they should stop and assist or not?

            Or do you claim that either you can read minds or that everyone must think like you? God forbid others think like you, because I prefer others to actually think, unlike you…Black kettle “foreign loser”…………

            and BTW, the Nanjing is 1 very public example…no one claimed that someone says “someone in trouble, Nanjing, can’t help”. It is called a reference example idiot. If you want to go find out the real reason, go find some Chinese and ask them why no one would help (or just read the comments that were translated with the article….from Chinese….who themselves mentioned Nanjing…)

          • Suicidal tendency

            myriam:

            You should really start considering not only living in China, but more important: interacting with China for real!

            Your logic: people don’t act because they’re animals. Yeaaaah! That makes so much more sense, makes the world simpler and gives you a good opportunity to spit on these people you will never face directly while comfortably hiding behind your sense of virtue.

            Go back check the story of that old man who fell on the street: no one moves at the beginning (of course: they’re animals!).
            Then he shouts “I fell by myself” and he gets rescued by several people. (most likely because they’re animals… no wait?!)

            Go back check that history of a man who gave a ride to hospital to a stranger in need: he got arrested for illegal taxi practice and was fined. But I’m sure he will do it again, if he’s not an animal. He’s probably super rich, like all Chinese…

            Go back check how rigorous police can be in China: “conclusion: he suicided by stabbing himself 10 times”
            “he accidentally put his head under that super massive truck”
            “he’s the sole cause of the accident (because the other party looks rich and must have connections, don’t want any troubles with him)”

            What YOU think can happen in China has nothing to do with what happens everyday, and even more important: what people think could happen! And unfortunately, this has no limit!

            And yes, your reputation can be destroyed quickly, and in China, it can be very harsh to live in a district if you have a bad reputation, especially in small and medium city. Chinese care about “what people will think of me”. You wouldn’t? That’s YOU with YOUR background and YOUR experience. Right now we talk about 18 Chinese living in China bystanders.
            Does this make them animals? Well, that’s YOUR point of view. But you should be careful with that: we’re all the animals of someone else.

            Anyway, be my guest: go explain them what’s possible and not in their own country! No doubt now why so many Chinese keep on saying that foreigners in China are naive…

      • Nyancat

        yeesh, in any case bad things happen every day, that doesn’t mean we should stop living our lives. If you had a car accident, would that mean you never drive again? Some people argue that taking vaccinations is a dangerous thing, does that mean that noones going to get vaccinated?
        This is a country of more than 1.5 billion people, and I live here so I know what it’s like, shit happens everyday but if you’re going to focus only on the bad stuff and use that as an excuse not to do anything then that your prerogative.
        I interact with Chinese folk everyday and I can vouch for the fact that they are all not apathetic people, what stands out here is that 18 people walked by without doing anything, seriously do you guys think that’s normal or that you have to go to great lengths to justify it?
        Even though I have no faith in the justice system in China, I can’t believe that it would be so perverted that the situation in the Nanjing case would be continuously repeated, I mean c’mon look at the outcry over the result of that situation and you will understand it is not the norm.
        Don’t justify the actions of these 18, I would understand them not physically helping her but emergency services could have been called or at least someone could have prevented her from getting run over AGAIN!
        Ask yourselves what you would have done in this situation and then post your replies saying that had you been in this exact situation you would have just walked past a 2 year old girl bleeding to death.

        • Just John

          Nyancat, you know we have nothing but love for you, but are you now trying to ride myriam’s boat, and assume that an explanation on why this might happen is us trying to justify it?
          As I have told myriam over and over again, we are just trying to let her know why it would happen. I don’t think a single person here actually supports it.

          Then again, I trust you to actually be able to think about our responses rationally.

          And no, I will not post “What do I think of these people” or “what would I have done in this situation” because my opinions would have been stated by many others, so it would just be repetitious of the same old stuff.

          So, no, I won’t ask myself what I would have done, and in fact, have probably addressed it (If this situation occurred in front of me, as I currently exist, not if I happened to have been one of 18 Chinese guys walking by at that particular moment), because 1. What I would have done would not be relevant to the other 18 people, because I am not Chinese, so cannot say what I would have done if I would have been in their exact situation because it is not possible for me to be in their situation (what if games are fun, but this is not a fun situation, and a what if game that is unrealistic is useless and if no fun, will not be participated in by me), and 2. Other than rehashing the old “How could these people, are they human, Chinese suck, road kill, blah blah”, it is pointless for me to just be another chiming in to the endless cries of the horror and humanity.

          • Nyancat

            Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m only here to defend my viewpoints, the thing is I don’t generalize an entire race by the actions of a few so Chinese people definitely don’t suck, if that was the case I doubt me and my better half would have built a life together hehe. I asked what you would do not to compare and contrast with Chinese folk, I was truly curious as to what you would do in such a situation.
            My son is a year and 8 months old now and I would never leave him unattended, I hope I didn’t bring him into a world where if he required a helping hand that people would wait to make sure they don’t lose anything before helping him out.
            I guess that’s why I feel so strongly about this issue, I’ve been through hell in my life and have just settled down so I know how bad things can get, but that wouldn’t stop me from helping someone who might be in this sort of situation.
            I guess that Nanjing debacle sure caused a lot of collateral damage, I hope that judge exactly what he deserves, a foot up the ass.
            Anyway Just John I totally understand your reasoning for why these people did what they did, right now I’m hoping that given all the media this case got that the government will finally get off its ass and implement a ‘good Samaritan’ law. How long that’s going to take, God only knows!
            Chinasmack sure is depressing this week, kids getting kidnapped, some guys got murdered and this…hopefully there will be some cheerful news next week.

        • Suicidal tendency

          Nyancat:

          One other thing you missed:

          These 18 people were not chosen amongst the worst people out there. They are random people passing by.

          Again, they are easy to blame because they are anonymous. Now consider than the 19th one helped (supposing I’m wrong, and the first 18 are all “bad people” while the 19th is a good one).

          Keep on living your life, look carefully at all Chinese around you, and remember: 18 out of 19 would have let her die as well.
          There was no selection of the bystanders, they’re all lambda people. But you claim to know some locals who would have, of course, acted. Wow! For 2 people you’re sure would have acted, you need to identify 36 who wouldn’t. Go ahead, start thinking who would have done what.

          That reminds me of a (bad for real) Chinese guy bashing waidiren (people from smaller city who emigrated to bigger ones). When he was remembered that most people around him were waidiren, his reaction was instant: “Oh but that’s different! These people working with us are good ones! No, I’m talking about the other waidiren, they can’t be trusted!”

          And tell me if what I would have done would make any difference? I’m white -yes, whether you want to admit it or not, being white in China gives you a different status!-, I’m not struggling to take care of my family, I would not lose my job if I missed a day for saving the life of a child, and I could go out of China the day I decide to.
          Does it mean I don’t believe bad things could come out of that for me? Of course it could!! This is not care bears cloud!
          But again, my situation is very very different from them.

          Now my comment is over: have you successfully sorted out in your mind: amongst all Chinese you know, which ones are the good ones, which ones would have done the same as these 18? 1 for 19 only you can respect, and start hating the others. Pretty tough, isn’t it?

          • Nyancat

            sorry for the late reply, was busy. To answer the question I would think that maybe the reason I feel that the Chinese I know seem like decent human beings is because of the place I live in, Zhuhai has people coming in from HK, Macau as well as a lot of foreigners, perhaps that mix of mindsets has helped broaden the scope of the Chinese living here.
            I doubt I could vouch for those living in Foshan but I believe that there is a connection between the level of development (not talking about infrastructure) and the mindset of the people.
            I was going to leave this little tidbit for last, in Zhuhai quite interestingly I haven’t seen this lack of compassion towards others, peolpe do actually help others without first being told they weren’t going to be sued.
            I do however agree with some of the things you have said, it is much easier for us foreigners to help without the risk of being screwed over, lets keep our fingers crossed that the government will finally sit up and take notice and implement a ‘Good Samaritan’ law.
            Care Bears, that sure brings back memories of my childhood.

  • Shanghairen

    Notice that the ayi that helped the girl has not been charged with anything. I’m tired of people repeating the myth that you’re going to get in trouble for helping someone just because of one famous case.

    • mystery_man

      Exactly! Grow some balls and help out people! If you have virtue, then stand by it at all cost. If someone f*cks you over just because you help them, I’ll f*ck them over from behind. Srsly.

    • Keius

      That’s because she was obviously incapable of running a child over with her broom/sweeper….
      And the video sure helps. Without that, u never know.
      You would think that the cops could check for signs of collision or blood traces on the car of a person that helps. However, alot of judges simply do what is most convenient/easy/profitable for them.

      My wife’s uncle has a case in Chinese courts right now. Held up for 2 years so far….the judge wants money/bribes before he rules in anyones favor, depending on who can bribe him more….

    • Suicidal tendency

      That’s because obviously, you won’t get any money from her!

  • http://unblockfacebookinchina.com/vpn-in-china Rod

    That’s Chinese people for you. If it’s not their business, they don’t care what’s happening. It could be some kid pretending to get run over and waiting to steal your money. Or their parents could be hiding around the corner, waiting to pop out and blame you for running over their kid. I don’t know if this really happens, but that’s what I hear.

  • Shenzhen_beauty

    Boring story.. china have many people.. normal.. happen everyday ah ah

    i talk american man in street.. was handsome.. he not give phone number :(

    foreign man where are you ?? i here in shenzhen for you

    • Chef Rocco

      You are a boring twat (I just learnt the word here and didn’t know how to use it, but you seem to fit it perfectly).

      • Tengu

        You’re a fast study, perfect syntactical usage…

        • Shhhh

          Yeah Chef Rocco, that was perfect usage. lol

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        “Well-articulated, educated twats” need only apply.

      • mr. weiner

        “twat” would be a politer way of calling someone a cunt. Dear miss Shenzehen beauty has exposed her inner self to be a very ugly place indeed, vagina dentata if you will. I’d call her a twat too, but twats are useful

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          Well, it looks like we’re hooked up to this “twatter” feed, can’t wait for the next “twat”.

          By the way, it’s spelled “tw@” (thanks GTA!)

    • dim mak

      Troll? Slut? Or …both?

    • Justin

      No one wants to go to Shenzhen because it sucks. And I bet you do too if what I read on the wall of the ChinaSmack Men’s Room is true.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        there’s no reason anyone wants to go to Shenzhen ==> ORLY?

        in this case, “ORLY?” becomes “orally”.

  • Chef Rocco

    It appears to me that this was a typical bystander effect on work, typical human reactions on streets of big cities.

    If you don’t believe me, watch this video clip to see what happened to the 78 years old men on Hartford, Connecticut, USA.

    • Stu

      That video shows a crowd of people gathering. At least one appears to be on a mobile phone and may be calling an ambulance. If you’re trying to make a comparison, it looks like Connecticut comes out better.

      • Capt. WED

        it wasn’t until a cop car to happen upon the scene that this man received care.

      • Chef Rocco

        You got it totally wrong, it is not my intension to compare who are better in moral terms, Chinese or Americans, by posting the video.

        On the contrary, the video shows that Callousness and indifference to human life on urban streets is not unique in China, bystander effect does exist in various areas of the earth.

        That being said, these bystanders’ coldness and inhumanness should be condemned strongly.

        • Stu

          Again, though, you don’t see coldness and inhumaneness on the video. You see people gathering and possibly calling for help, it’s hard to say.

          • Chef Rocco

            Stu, why are you denying the clear fact that no drivers stopped to help, no passers-by actually approached and took care of the old man? The guy stepped out of taxi passed and didn’t take a look at him?

            Watch the video carefully and listen what the speaker said.

          • Chad

            Because he’s an idiot.

            Here’s another video of the “Bystander Effect” in action although most of these people are alone when they see the victim (stabbed, dying, etc).

          • Stu

            No, Chad, I’m not an idiot (sigh). But yeah, your unfortunate case of internet-anonymity-effect aside, I’m sure the bystander effect does apply everywhere. I was just saying what I saw in the video- that a large number of people at least appear to be paying attention and may be calling for help- it’s hard to say. I first watched it without sound, which may have influenced that.

  • Foreign Devil

    Some heartless, selfish people. . completely disconnected from the world, from life itself. . . what a shame! And those commentators. . Chinese or otherwise defending them, shame on you as well! Everyone carries a mobile phone. . it is too hard to dial 1-1-9, or stand by the body to make sure no more vehicles run over it?

    I hope the majority of Chinese citizens are not this way . . or the next superpower will be an evil and dangerous power indeed!

    • Snarl

      Unfortunately, the majority of Chinese citizens I have met are indeed this way. The value of human life in China is not as high as in the west, except for some places such as New York, New Orleans, Detroit, Washington DC, or Oakland (in those particular cases, the average Chinese citizen probably does have comparable value on human life).

    • Crystal

      I found it sad to think that humans have lost their humanity. I first thought how could the people in China just walk by this small child and it was hard not to feel condemnation for them. Then I read the stories of people that tried to help only to get blamed and made responsible for incidents when they were being good Samaritans. The U.S. people though cannot sit back and condemn them because of their fears when in reality people here seem to have the same lack of moral conciseness. http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6498405&page=1
      The elderly man hit in Connecticut was left in the road with no one coming to his aide, no one calling for help, people driving by him and people watching from the side lines. Sounds just like what happened in China only that the man was luckier because an officer responding to another call happened upon the man and got him help.
      I still find it hard to believe though how many people that saw the little girl in the road and yet seemed to feel no empathy for the child especially the woman who walks by while holding the hand of a child; what kind of example was that to set before that child and how must that child have felt to see someone, another child dying only a few feet away and have to ignore it.
      While I question other people actions the one that most needs to be addressed here is the mother’s? There was a long time span for which this child was not by her side, so where was she? Did she not know her child was missing and if not why? As I watched the film or video I saw a father in terrible distress but at no time did I see any real emotion from the mother. There did not appear to be much when she finally found her child and in the shots of her and her husband, only the husband shows any kind of emotion. It could be that it is a coincidence that the few shots of the mother just were not taken at the time of any emotional breakdown but at this time it does make one pause to wonder why.
      Basically we have become a world of people that are or have become calloused to the sufferings of others. We need to regain our human integrity and start taking care of each other.

      • Just John

        Timmy: Mommy, why is that little girl laying down in the road?

        Mommy: It appears she got ran over by a car.

        Timmy: Why would she want to get ran over by a car?

        Mommy: I don’t think she wanted to Timmy. She probably was playing in the street.

        Timmy: Do you think we should tell her mommy so she can get her off the street?

        Mommy: No, I think we should leave her there so no one confuses the tire tracks for our shoe prints.

        Timmy: Ok mom. Will you buy me some ice cream?

        Mommy: Sure Timmy, but I also want you to remember that girl lying in the street. That is why you should never play in the road.

        end scene

      • myriam

        my first thought, maybe cause i am a women, was where is the mother ? how can a mother leave her just 2 year child walking alone in a hardware market ? she could get hit by a car or someone could kidnap her. After i saw the video the second time and just now the reaction of the mother, I am too a bit confused. of course people react in different ways to different scenarios, and maybe she is under shock and still doesn’t realize what is happening. I really HATE to think that she has left her daughter alone on purpose in hope that something might happen, she could get lost, someone could kidnap her of whats or ever. My question is , would that really be a surprise ? Its definitely a possibility. I found it also strange that just right after the old women (the first person which at least tried to help) showed up, the mother suddenly appeared. We are not investigators but i hope that the police will at least take that possibility into consideration. Her reaction compared to her husbands reaction, the fact that she has left her daughter unmonitored in a busy hardware market and her suddenly appearance right after the old women showed up to help, should be put into consideration. Either way she has failed as a mother and hasn’t fulfilled her duties as a mother, so i hope she will be held accountable together with the drivers and the passers by.

  • Anon

    I can’t decide if this is a new low in Chinese cowardice or more of the same shit. This stuff about the judgment in Nanjing is a bunch of bullshit, I very much doubt that it would make a goddam bit of difference if that had never happened. Think about it, why would the judge reach the conclusion that helping=guilty if that wasn’t already the way things were?

    Don’t get hurt in China unless there is a foreigner around to help you.

    • Ray

      That is actually an interesting way of thinking about that case, like what if that judge was actually right and has much experience in Chinese culture. What if he was right when He said that it was common sense that the people who takes the victim to the hospital must be the person who dealt the blow, like he has seen so many of these events in China already that he KNOWS in his heart (and experience) that only the guilty party ever helps.

      • Stu

        It’s more complicated than is usually presented… the guy who helped her up accompanied her to hospital when her family had arrived- they went there together. So, yeah, the judge might well have been right. I know I would consider my involvement over once the family got there. There’s a link somewhere to an article about it suggesting that the problem was that the case was settled privately, because the Nanjing government didn’t want to lose face- whereas if there was a public judgement people might have trusted the result more.

  • Kaka Huang

    there is a part of China that is so sick and so incurable !!!

    • paradoxer

      Western worshiping or white men cock loving China bitches.

      • mr. weiner

        Paradoxer you have to put down that axe you are grinding. I’ll asume you are Chinese? Not all laowai are horny chinese chick ravshing drunken scum and not all chinese women that go out with them are “white men cock loving China bitches”. Let it go man, find a new reason for living

        • Snarl

          And furthermore, what would be wrong with it even if it were true? It seems simultaneously racist, xenophobic, and sexist to think that women should prefer men from their own ethnic group to the exclusion of another.

          • whododat

            White women don’t love Chinese sweat-hogs they love BBCs only and China girls run to reject white men like flies to shit.

  • dim mak

    That Nanjing judge case was just a one-time thing, shit’s blown way outta proportion

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      Nope, it isn’t. I can think of another case in which a woman who fell from falling from the fence in the median of the road successfully put the blame on a car that stopped to help her. That is, instead of hitting the ground, she convinced a judge that she was hit by a car.

      Everything in Chinese culture says: don’t be a hero. So, no Chinese can act out in ways that Westerners can (like the laowai chick who saved a drowning girl).

      I hate to repeat myself, but here is again on this story: to be a hero in China, a Chinese must also fight the system. They must so fully believe in whatever their doing that they will give up their life, their livelihood, everything.. because people more connected than them and a repressive system (not just the current one but since always) will destroy them.

      The only other one not advocating a “zomg, China is teh ftw!” is Teacher in China. huh.

      • paradoxer

        Righty right, it’s the repressive system of the CCP, it’s their fault, they are to blame for what bad people do. It must be one of those commie laws that make China people do evil things.

        No heroes in China for sure, who wants trouble now that life is good and nobody ain’t like to live a good western life style.

        • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

          I point it out in another comment: this isn’t so much a Communist thing so much as it is the basic nature of Chinese to act so that society “runs more smoothly” because what matters isn’t that one kid gets killed but that the GDP (for example) doesn’t dip.

          This “tendency to be controllable” has always been there, it’s just that the Communists were the ones to give everyone a better life by introducing capitalism (what a sentence). This “no hero syndrome” only helps the status quo to keep people meek and muzzled, but is by no means a new Communist invention.

    • guizi

      The Nanjing case was one-time thing, but it was reported widely enough for everybody to know, and Chinese people have seen stupid court cases a lot. So they dont believe the judicial system.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        Rule by Law, not Rule of Law.

        And it’s followed.

      • Suicidal tendency

        Fail.
        It’s not a one time thing. It’s just the most famous.

        Lying on the ground in the hope that someone will try to help you and you can get compensation from that hero/victim has become a popular scam amongst a few old people in China.

  • Snarl

    18 out of 19 people (or close to 95%) care more about small conveniences in their own lives than the absolute state of the life of a dying child. This video is very depressing.

  • DJC

    The “Nanjing judge” argument is an inexcusable one, especially with regards to the passers-by that were not driving a vehicle.

    First of all, if you’re not driving a vehicle, then common sense dictates that you couldn’t possibly have inflicted wounds that are inflicted by running a child over with a vehicle. No judge would be justified in punishing any of the pedestrians had they helped the child.

    But even more important is the sheer lack of sense in the argument. If you get punished for helping the child, then you lose your money and you could be imprisoned. If you don’t help her, she loses her life. Money can be replaced, and jail sentences end. Lives are irreplaceable and death is permanent, and so at best the pedestrians have horrifically-misplaced and inhumanly-selfish priorities.

    The real kicker, though, was when the driver of the second vehicle ran the child over again. That is not the act of someone who is afraid to harm their family, pay a fine, or be imprisoned. That is the act of a callous individual lacking even the slightest regard for the suffering of an innocent person — the act of someone who doesn’t care about harming others. A coward would have driven around the girl. Only a monster would run her down a second time.

    The “Nanjing judge” argument is a cowardly one, and serves only to indicate that those who didn’t help the child cared more about fines than about an innocent life. Every single one of those people is exactly as culpable for the child’s death as the heartless piece of trash that ran the girl over in the first place.

    • Teacher in China

      I think you’re off-base here, and let me tell you why.

      It’s very easy to sit back on a high horse and judge people for doing this, that, and the other. The fact is we don’t know their lives and circumstances. Take me, for example. I’m a foreigner here, and so I enjoy a decent life and have very little fear of being accused of anything ridiculous since I know my embassy would back me up and ensure I had a fair trial. So of course it’s easy for me to say that I wouldn’t even think for 1 second before helping out this poor kid.

      What if you’re a typical Chinese person? You help someone, then find out they have a lot of connections or that they’re rich (or both), and so they are able to bribe enough people so that you go away for life and no one hears about it. Now what if you were the sole provider for your family? There goes your life and your family’s life. If I were a Chinese guy making 1000 rmb per month to support my family and my aging parents, then you’re damn right I’d be thinking twice before getting myself involved in something that could see me take the blame and my family suffer because of it.

      We have all heard by now of the Nanjing case, but how many other local examples are there of the exact same thing happening that we never hear about?

      Just to sum up: not saying it’s right, Just saying this shows us something about the cold, hard facts of China. Don’t be so quick to judge it by other moral standards because they don’t always apply.

      • Andao

        Teacher, who was the one that stopped and helped though? A scavenger lady likely making less than 1000 RMB a month, probably living in Foshan illegally or without hukou, etc. So your argument is invalid.

        Do you think someone with a lot of guanxi/bribe money who wouldn’t get in trouble would stop and help? Doubtful. Call it a high horse if you want, but I can’t stand apologists like yourself trying to justify that which can’t be justified. She’s a 2 year old girl.

        • Kong

          1) Just because one person goes against the grain, does not invalidate Teacher in China’s argument that it applies to the whole.
          2) She’s an old woman without much more to look forward to, and I highly doubt she is being relied on to provide for anyone.

          Stop manipulating the image of the poor 2-year-old to tug at heart-strings and bypass a rational discussion. It’s unbecoming.

          • Stu

            Kong, I wouldn’t call that manipulative at all. The fact that it’s a dying girl SHOULD tug at heart-strings- that’s what morality is, and that’s what’s under discussion. I don’t agree with DJC that the passers-by are equally responsible, but their behaviour was morally wrong and they should be criticised. In fact, the biggest cause for worry here is the number of comments justifying their lack of action, because it shows that this behaviour is normalised. And it should not be.

            As for the Ayi… that’s a hell of an assumption. I think it’s safer to assume that she’s just a good person.

          • Kong

            Why should we care more about the fact that it was a girl, or that she was 2 years old? Those are some pretty damn subjective moral values. Such arguments as, “c’mon! she’s a little girl!”, lack any substance or reason and only serve to rouse blind emotion by pointing out the obvious and implying that people should care more (without actually making any argument).

            I absolutely think that the 阿姨 is a wonderful and kind old lady. It doesn’t change the fact that the reason she helped is because 1) she is in a social position not under the influence of the pressures that most Chinese adults are, and/or 2) she is in the minority.

            If you had considered the context of what I wrote, you may have realized that my post merely aimed to dismantle the (lack of) reasoning employed by Andao.

            Now as to what YOU wrote…. “Morality” is not simply crying at the end of a chick flick, or balking at the violence in the real world. That would be a pretty shallow definition of “morality”. It is fully possible to avoid pointing out the obvious and rabble-rousing while at the same time distinguishing what is right and what is wrong. IMO that’s called “maturity”.

            Case-in-point: Teacher in China and various netizens.
            Most, if not all admit that it is sad, wrong, and horrifying. That doesn’t stop them from commenting on the social realities at play. It doesn’t show that the behavior is normalized. The behavior is ALREADY more-or-less normalized. All these netizens are doing is lamenting by pointing it out. If this behavior were treated as “natural”, then it wouldn’t be a hot topic on the net, and there wouldn’t be a discussion about it at all!

            Think about it some, is all.

            Lastly, and I’ve said this before, but a sampling of netizen reactions to this story really does not represent China’s population as a whole, therefore extrapolating this story (and all other CS stories) as endemic of all of China based on the netizen responses is irresponsible. That’s not to say that is isn’t true, but that it’s an assumption formed on a poor basis. Statistics are–and always will be–context specific.

          • paradoxer

            You know something Stu, I am not a doctor but I know battlefield fist aid and I think that ayi killed the baby girl by breaking her back in a few places. Not to mention a bad concussion to the head and may have relocated her leg bones.

            FYI, I am not on the bystanders side and to have good intentions as ayi has is grand but know what the fuck you are doing at least, better just to call for help.

          • Stu

            “It doesn’t show that the behavior is normalized. The behavior is ALREADY more-or-less normalized.”
            So the behaviour is more or less normalised, but people saying ‘I wouldn’t help either’ is not evidence of that?

            About the Ayi… 1) is an assumption, and I think a strange one (in my experience poor people tend to be under more pressure, not less), 2) doesn’t seem to go anywhere (yes, she was in the minority, and that’s a problem)

            “It is fully possible to avoid pointing out the obvious and rabble-rousing while at the same time distinguishing what is right and what is wrong.”
            I see your point here. The fact that it’s a dying human should tug at the heart strings. My main problem is with “Don’t be so quick to judge it by other moral standards”.

            “extrapolating this story (and all other CS stories) as endemic of all of China based on the netizen responses is irresponsible”
            I agree, and that’s why I haven’t done that. I don’t think it’s endemic and I suspect similar things happen in India and other countries. For the record, the first comment about the Nanjing judge gets 12,664 dings on netease, and the ones below it about lack of morality both get over 11,000.

          • Kong

            Stu, I don’t if you’ve ever visited Western media sites and perused the comments sections there, but when you do, it should be pretty clear that the comments of some (perhaps even as many as half) of the posters do not always reflect a=the views of a larger demographic.

            There is a clear difference between saying, “this is normal and is okay,” and saying, “This is pretty messed up, but it is the reality that we live in”. What Teacher In China, Irvin, and Paradoxer have pointed out are fair points. This doesn’t make them immoral people who feel that this situation *ought* to be normal. They (and I suspect the netizens as well) are simply commenting on a reality without pointing out the obvious as if it were an argument on its own.

            Regarding 阿姨, (as it’s been pointed out) in her helpful ignorance may have done more physical harm than any of the passers-by.
            1) Poor people, yes; old people, no. Chinese old folks are generally supported by their children, while helping out their grandchildren. A poor old person would have even few people to support than a wealthy old person form whom people expect handouts.
            2) Again, this is only relevant as a rebuttal to Andao, who dared imply that Teacher in China’s argument was invalid simply because one lone 阿姨 without fear of legal repercussions intervened.

            My issue isn’t that it’s heart-breaking (because it is), but that the mere facts that the victim was a 2-year-old and a girl are *not* arguments. Such rhetoric serves little purpose but to rouse emotions against posters who are trying to input certain valueable perspectives. Andao was attempting to silence Teacher in China with emotion. I found that sickening.

            What I meant by the extrapolation of statistics was much more general, but I only brought it up because your post seemed to imply that because of the comments of the few netizens saying that they would do the same thing (note that they did not say it was moral) meant that this behavior is normalized, and was rightfully so. I don’t think any of the netizens implied that the behavior *should* be normalized, they were merely commenting on how it *was* normalized.

          • Andao

            Oy, I’m being misinterpreted, but that’s my fault for not finishing the sentence. My point was not to tug at heartstrings, but rather to point out its not really the same as the Nanjing Peng Yu case. A 2 year old girl isn’t going to sue someone who decided to help her. I guess there’s a chance her parents would swoop in and try to attack/blame a would-be hero, but based on the video, they weren’t anywhere nearby.

            Still, I don’t buy the whole “think about their social situation” excuse. So many Chinese use this excuse that society or economic situation or politics forced them into doing (or not doing) something, and it’s really wearing thin. Nothing is going to get better unless someone gets off their ass and makes the change, and being a bastard Westerner, perhaps its difficult for me to see why they don’t make the connection.

            I brought this up with Chinese coworkers, and while most of them were horrified that no one called the police, none of them said they would stay and help. I think that’s pretty messed up and I said as much, but at least they’re a step ahead of the 18 in the video.

          • Stu

            Kong- I think we actually agree to a large extent. I think you’re right about a lot of the online comments- and yes, they are commenting on reality rather than justifying it. My issue is that it should be possible to explain such behaviour, pointing to examples of rescuers being blamed, while still recognising that it is immoral not to help. And from that perspective I find Irvin’s “No one should blame any of the passer by because everyone should first and foremost take care of themselves before taking care of others” tends toward justifying rather than explaining, as does the comparison to putting on oxygen masks in a plane- because these make it seem like normal and ethically justifiable behaviour, instead of screwed-up behaviour that, unfortunately, has its reasons. Teacher’s reference to “other moral standards” also made me think that, but I think there it was more a turn of phrase.

            The Ayi’s a side-issue here really, but I would say that the number of rich old Chinese people is tiny- if an old person in China is well-off I’d say it’s more likely that they rely on their children for that than vice-versa. And secondly, someone picking up bottles is probably under enough pressure simply to survive with the way food prices are going- and it’s quite possible that she has a husband or someone else to care for. She could have a whole orphanage… in terms of explaining her helping, aside from being good I’d say the sardonic comment that she doesn’t read the news is probably right.

          • Teacher in China

            @ Stu
            Let me explain my reference to “other moral standards”.

            What a lot of people are saying on this thread (and I see that the amount of comments has expanded significantly, so it may not be true anymore – I haven’t read them all) is that these people are morally wrong for ignoring this kid.

            What I’m saying is that morality is often not always a black-and-white, right-or-wrong sort of thing, and that it can sometimes rely on context, especially cultural context.

            If this happened in Canada, where a person can feel sure that no one could bribe anyone and that he/she would be treated as a hero rather than immediately accused of being the one responsible for the initial wrong-doing, then for sure anyone who passed by without doing anything is immoral. I can say that based on the way I was raised and where I grew up – those are the moral standards of my culture.

            The cold, hard truth about today’s China, for whatever reason (and there are many), is that people who help stand a real risk of being accused, fined, and jailed for something that they did not do. So if you’re judging their behaviour based on the standards of your home country, you’re making an error. These could have been very fine, good people that were forced into doing something we see as reprehensible because of their circumstances.

          • Kong

            I am inconvenienced by the lack of a “reply” option after a certain tier. Oh, first world problems.

            I’ll make this brief since I believe the subject may have reached the point of exhaustion.

            Apologies to Andao for my misinterpretation!

            Chinese culture is diverse, but people tend to agree that doing what other people do is fashionable, and going against the grain is not fashionable. Yes, this is true all around the world, but it runs particularly strong in East-Asian cultures. Going out on a limb for a stranger is praised in some cultures, but not Chinese culture.

            One can say that this is “wrong”, but not without admitting to ethnocentrism. It’s fine, because we’re all products of our upbringing, but it has to be put out there.

            The same goes for “morality”. There is no black & white morality. Humanity has provided many different moral philosophies ranging from Kantian absolutes, to Utilitarianism, to Buddhism, to Confucianism, to Daoism, to Nihilism. Okay, the list is exhaustive, but my point is that morality is not black and white; it is subjective. Choosing sides is natural, but pretending like there is some objective truth behind it is disingenuous.

            There are people who firmly believe that nothing matters except short-term personal pleasure, because it’s over when you’re dead, and the human race will go extinct eventually anyway. That is a moral perspective! Personally, I feel that any perspective that disregards the health of one’s own species is a bad one, but I can feel that way while acknowledging that there are other perspectives.

            The same phrase may be racist when uttered by a westerner person and not racist when uttered by a Chinese person. That’s just the geographic reality of the world. When a westerner talks about Chinese (an ‘other’) as being sick and depraved etc., it’s racists because they are asserting their ethic values as superior to the values they *perceive* to be held by “Chinese” as a group. They are taking away the voice of the people who actually matter in the situation. That’s what exploitation means.

            Regarding 阿姨,that’s what I meant. Poor old Chinese on the whole have less pressure to support others. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Also, old people are generally more sentimental than young people. I remember when I started getting choked up at small things I’d never consider when I was younger.

          • Stu

            Teacher and Kong- there’s a problem with moral relativism here: I don’t imagine for a second that those passers-by don’t feel guilty. Yes, I understand that there were constraints- the lack of action was most likely self-preservation. The Chinese situation creates that fear, and the culture (to generalise hugely) arguably encourages a lesser degree of care for strangers. But it is not so utterly alien that people do not see such behaviour as wrong- hence all the Chinese comments about it. People are generally either criticising the people involved, lamenting the social constraints that prevent good action, or both. I haven’t seen anyone arguing that the people did the morally right thing, and I don’t expect to- because the wrongness of what happened is something that almost everyone’s subjective moralities can agree on.

          • Stu

            Actually, I should change that a little… there obviously won’t be agreement about the DEGREE of wrongness, or of responsibility… just about the fact that, on a hypothetical right-wrong scale, inaction here falls somewhere under ‘wrong’.

        • Teacher in China

          I’ve been trying to post a reply for a day now, but keep getting an error message…

          I don’t see how your example makes my argument invalid. I didn’t say anywhere that anyone earning 1000 rmb would never help anyone, I just said that this fact (combined with other things I stated but you ignored) at least casts some sort doubt as to whether everyone should automatically just help everyone they see all the time.

          As for your second paragraph, I think that’s an interesting point. Yes, I think that someone who had a ton of connections and money would stop to help this girl since that person wouldn’t have to fear anything. However, if he had been driving his car, then maybe he would stop and think carefully before doing it, as he could easily be blamed for it. I think we’ve all seen the “human flesh search engine” mentality of “hey! that guy did it! let’s get him!”.

          So, I’ll just state again: I think this is more complex than you and a lot of other people are making it out to be.

    • Stu

      Paradoxer- you could be right. That did look horrific- as did the mother picking her up, in fact (and it’s heartbreaking that the mother was so near- there was no cut in the video, right? She seemed to be there in about one minute). But on the other hand… someone just standing in the road and calling an ambulance would have stopped the second car going over her.

      • Camela

        Someone standing by the kid in the road could have resulted in two people ran over by cars that day instead of one.

      • Suicidal tendency

        You don’t want to get it, do you?

        None of the bypassers are aware there’s a camera. And I believe most of them have a small voice in their mind, from a Nanjing judge:
        “Common sense regarding society rules says that if you didn’t push that child under the van, you wouldn’t call for help!”

        And the comparison “their own selfish lives”.

        Yeah. Let me ask you:
        What about the mother? She prefers let her 2 years old daughter play alone in the street so that she can selfishly enjoy her own life!

        It’s always easier to bravely blame anonymous people. When you’ll hear about their background… no wait! I believe you don’t want to. There’s no excuse what so ever, so why would we give them the benefit of doubt?

        Most likely, they don’t have any family to care about who would be destroyed if they were jailed and fined…

        • Stu

          Tendency- I would be fascinated to hear their justifications. Can you provide a link to them?

        • Stu

          Oh yes, and I’d also be interested in any cases of people being wrongly charged with crimes because they called the police or an ambulance. Have you got links?

          The Nanjing thing was specifically because the guy went with the old woman to hospital EVEN THOUGH her family was already with her, and then gave them money to pay for treatment. It wasn’t just because he called for help.

  • Kevin

    I dont really know why people are criticising all 18 of the passersby. Im only going talk badly of the driver and the people who saw what had happened, but did not do anything to help. The other passersby especially the later ones did not know what was wrong nor what was going on. If you were in China with all the fishy things going on would you have stepped in to do anything? The majority of people wouldnt have! I would probably do the same thing… but on the otherhand if it was in the UK i would have stepped in.

    • Kevin

      Just to add to my comment, if it looked genuine as well i would have done something….

  • DRaY

    Nanjing Effect my ass.. if you dont want to deal with the Cops, make a phone call to 911(Chinese equivalent) and keep it moving…. ppl do it in the states all the time …… these ppl here have no heart!!!

    • Suicidal tendency

      Nope. Not all the times. Please go find back links about bystanders effect happening in North America and then we’ll talk.

      And note that contrary to Chinese, law protects Americans when they try to help. So double check your ass on the way…

  • red girl

    The driver has blame, He has a licence and knows his responsibility, he failed to stop at the scene of an accident.
    Leaving carnage behind him for this sweet baby and her poor family.
    The rest who witnessed and did nothing have to live with the cowardice they have displayed.
    Teaching first aid in school, I believe should be mandatory.
    Rest in Peace Yue Yuem and I hope her parents find peace. So sad.

    • paradoxer

      Of cause the driver is to blame, Chinese blind drivers drive like that even after they become a mad Brit, a second class American, and a third class Canadian or a racist Aussie.

      Do all Chinese have 20/20 vision? And do they have eye glasses in China? Never see any Chinese driver wear them, not even people on the streets wear them.

    • Just John

      Are you sure he has a license?
      Maybe he lost it after he ran over that 10 year old boy, so he had no license when he ran over that 2 year old girl…

  • Yaron

    OMG…

    After reading some of the “translated” comment in NetEase i can honestly say china is doomed, 1.3 billion cowards.
    So many excuses for why NOT to help, i seriously started to fall for it. I think Chinese have mastered the art of justifying the immoral and unjust, blaming everyone else but themselves. in a society where corruption is a norm and money can truly buy everything how can a foreigner like me be amazed by videos like this.

  • m

    Isn’t this the normal in China? Apparently females are more shunned than males and because parents are allowed only 1 offspring they have been known to throw their babies and infants in front of vehicles to kill them in order to have a chance for a male child.

    For a country that doesn’t respect human life, they defiantly have no quams about killing off all of non-human animals. And most of the chinese people commenting here are trying to justify this horrible act of manslaughter with “OH WE HAVE THIS ANCIENT DIVINITY RULE YADDA YADDA IT IS THE JUDGES FAULT FOR PUNISHING US WHEN WE HELP SO WE DO NOTHINGS!!! YAY FOR DOING NOTHINGS!!!!” Man just like Africa, China needs a total revamp on their beliefs.

    Poor girl, and the mother should have some kind of leash/harnis for her wandering kid.

    • dim mak

      Those things have nothing to do with each other, you’re retarded

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        I think the CAPS give that away..

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/videos/2-year-old-chinese-girl-ran-over-by-van-ignored-by-18-bystanders.html jake

    be vigilant to our society. helping one another can save lives. what happening to our people we are great in numbers but only few those who use there minds. we are cowards!

  • dim mak

    Lucky the ayi found her just before that really big blue truck was coming down the road…

  • freddynyc

    Chinese people are so f*cked up on so many levels….

  • KopyKatKiller

    That is fucking sick. 4000 years of civilization and many people here are still animals. Chimpanzees in the wild have shown more humanity than those bunch of monkeys.

    • Yayoo

      That would be “5000 years of culture”, to be exact, something which the Chinese will boast of at any opportunity. Do notice that in Chinese language “culture” can also mean cultivation or education…so China has amassed “5000 years of culture” and absolutely nothing to show for it, except for this type of barbarianism! What a sad bunch of lowlives. There are many reasons China should never be allowed to become a world leader in any context, this is just one of them.

  • paradoxer

    Who to blame, let me see now.
    >If only the mother took care of her child.
    >If drivers were only safe and careful drivers all over China.
    >if there weren’t so many laws that can put you in jail or in the poor house and people were not afraid to react.
    >If there were more and better street lights.
    >If only she didn’t look like a broken toy doll laying on the street.

    Time for new laws in China, shoot the muddafucking bad drivers on the spot and ask questions later.

  • Justin

    Wow, I’m skipping reading the comments today because I have read all this bullshit before. I’m just going to sit here and stare into space instead. It seems more productive.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      I crave your Zen.

      I guess that makes me not Zen.

  • eattot

    ohmygod!
    those ….!
    if i were there, i would stand there not let anyone hurt this girl any more, then to get rid of trouble, just make a call to 110 and 120. i swear i will do it. and till the police came.
    once i saw a guy riding a scooter, the scooter alarming all the time, i felt maybe he stole it, i called 110 directly.
    those dumb asses, one day, the same thing happened to themselves, then maybe they begin to wake up.
    really need a spirit revolution in china, those wooden people just same as what lu xun wrote, stupid farmers, snobish city people, full of china.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      “Spirit revolution”. Ding.

  • http://chinashmina.com Augis

    Absolutely horrible video…

    Hit-and-run accidents are ubiquitous everywhere, but such behavior of by-standers is possibly unique to China only.

  • Vertigo112

    Most of the comment right here just….the pot calling the kettle black/五十步笑百步, but there goes the society for you, society is unpredictable.

    The only thing I can say about this is…I wish I have superpowers, I can save the girl, beat the shit out of that driver and be ready fight the authority at the same time, If I ever get into trouble with the system.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      As Westerners are more apt to “act heroic”, it’s very clear what your superpower should be: to be less Chinese, and more Western

      “Western-Chineseman” – I’m picturing a cape, and an origin story involving a study period abroad

      • myriam

        interesting analogy, even i would argue that it doesn’t require a hero to take out the mobile phone to call and ambulance, or call someone out from the nearest shop and let them call an ambulance while you get sure that no other vehicles drive over the girls body. I think that social responsibility isn’t a useful tool in chinese society. Probably never was throughout chinese history.

        • Vertigo112

          Indeed it doesn’t require a hero to take out the mobile phone to call an ambulance, It’s the consequence after take out the mobile phone to call an ambulance, What consequences you should be expecting and can people take the consequences are the questions you should consider first before bashing their social responsibility.

          But right now, Nanjing judge experience have taught the Chinese a lesson, you never know the parent will bite your ass back or appreciate you after you saved the girl.

      • Vertigo112

        Oh man, I don’t even know where to start…Maybe I should rephrase that “be ready to fight the authority” first, I was meant self-defense, but fight is ensured if shit happens.

        “To be less Chinese and more Western.”, Can I defend myself from the system with that “to be less Chinese and more Western” superpower If I somehow get into trouble? Beside, what the hell is a “to be less Chinese and more Western” superpower? Maybe I should read more superhero comic/fictions to expand my superpower knowledge or I guess I’m missing some sarcasm.

        IF(keyword “IF”, just in case you are getting serious) I can save the girl than I will just do for self-satisfaction, whether is heroic or not depends on what society look upon my act, society would even think I am stupid because I saved the girl.

        Also, heroic is not exclusive to the Western.

        My comment about superpower is just a dream talk, no need to throw in sophisticated words and study what kind of person am I like you did, If that’s what you like to do then keep it to yourself.

  • Irvin

    I wouldn’t have help or call. People need know understand that in china people live by different logics and morals.

    One of the problems in china is when shit hits the fan they immediately look for someone to blame. In addition people here don’t own up to their own responsibility.

    Things can’t be help until things change from the top and drastically at that. Like how people are held accountable for their actions and evidence needed before one can be prosecuted.

    At the moment Chinese in china isn’t a community trying to better themselves together. We’re just a group of people living together but separate at the sometime fending for ourselves shitting on each other.

    • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

      Spoken very well, and I’ll take it to another level.

      When people are born in China they are born into a system that already passing blame and responsibility onto them, and for the rest of their lives their going to have to deal with it. Chinese all have the ability to cry on cue and act all passionate at the drop of a hat because they’ve been repressing it all their lives.

      That said, it isn’t a stretch to see how the mother would turn on the ayi and blame her for this terrible accident. Also, we can see that the ayi, living at the bottom of society as a garbage collector (garbage cleaners are higher up), she by rights has to be nice and thoughtful because she’s always at the beck and call of others.

      eattot said it best: “spirit revolution”. China needs something to believe other than the betterment of itself. However, ideals like “freedom”, “equality” “fraternity”, “individuality”…. this doesn’t make for easy control.

      And that is why China is the way it is: 5000 years of control, an empire shoehorned into a billion strong country, immoral except to the governing guidelines.

    • Stu

      Irvin, in the same comment you say ‘people here don’t own up to their own responsibility’ and ‘I wouldn’t have helped’. And then you expect the government to fix this. You seem to be admitting that you are part of the problem. And why on earth wouldn’t you call an ambulance? You don’t need to do anything else- in fact you shouldn’t really do much else, as it might cause more damage.

      • Suicidal tendency

        I can answer you:
        As soon as your phone number shows up somewhere, you’re identified as a possible source of compensation.

        -First: you need to speak reasonably chinese, because you shouldn’t expect emergency services to speak english
        -Second: you’ll be requested to stay there so that caller is well identified and can testify
        -If you leave at that moment, you will be accused of fleeing away, makes you look like you’re guilty!
        -If you stay, police will make a pleasure to hear mom’s claiming that you’re responsible for this. Sounds like an easy case to solve and close quickly, so that policeman can go to restaurant with colleagues and dring. Another job well done!

        So here are the things government should fix and people can’t:
        -Samarithan’s law
        -Judges
        -Police
        If the three of these are against you when you want to rescue people, what can you do??

    • Irvin

      You know where the change can start? A retrial of the case by the nanjing judge.

      In addition to changing some of the laws and months or years of advertisement by the government encouraging people to help much like what they do in public transportation (encouraging people to give seats to the old, pregnant or young).

      No one should blame any of the passer by because everyone should first and foremost take care of themselves before taking care of others.

      When the law is against you for doing good what’s one to do? And no one should have to suffer the potential blames for doing good.

      This is true even in emergency guidelines, first put on your own oxygen mask then help your child with theirs. At least that’s what I was told during a flight.

      Stu said perhaps I’m part of the problem and perhaps he’s right. But truthfully I just see myself as a person living in a flawed system. If I could help another without potentially harming myself I would absolutely help, unfortunately this is not the case in china.

      • Stu

        Irvin- I understand the problem, but I still disagree that the passers-by bear no responsibility.

        Imagine this scene: you have been hit by a car and you’re lying, bleeding, in the street. One person walks by, then another. A cyclist goes past, turning to avoid you. People look at you but nobody helps. A second car drives over you.

        Can you honestly tell me that you would not be angry with those people? That you wouldn’t blame them at all?

        • Stu

          Or, to add a more obvious example: your own daughter is hit by a car and nobody helps. Would you honestly not be angry with those people?

          • Kong

            Right, because anger is a clear indication of guilt and responsibility. “Well, your honor, I am angry at this man, therefore he must be guilty!” Man, if only there were a legal system worked along similar processes…. Oh wait….

          • Stu

            Kong- just trying to bring a little empathy in here. The idea that you should never save another human if it means risking harm to yourself does not seem morally good to me.

      • Tranxenne

        What if the Nanjing case and other such preposterous judgements were passed intentionally? What if the message the government and its justice arm tried to get through was : do not help each others, do not rely on each others, do not stand by each others. For all our Confucean BS talk, we do not like a strong, united civil society. We prefer weak egotistic individuals (Western-style, only we do not have the time do it the Western way). Divide et impera, much?

  • Fordbane

    Ok, it was confirmed, the girl died of brain injury (couldn’t breath on her own)
    http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=484913&type=National
    just to think that this could have been avoided …
    the drivers were caught anyways …
    … oh the humanity …

    • paradoxer

      Kill that muddafucker so he can never drive again, it could me or you next time he drives.

  • Meh

    Can someone explain how this happens? I mean dang… Come on…

  • LeahBear

    Wow, so dry. Why are most people in China fucking careless

  • Dave

    Dear Chinese,

    Please stay the **** out of the West. You and your “morals” are not wanted here.

    • CH

      I agree. If they are this heartless towards a small innocent little child, and eat dogs (research how they are killed). Imagine if they ever go to war with us? The Chinese People over there (not already here) appear to be so scared to get involved with anything that they simply move along. Again, scary how heartless some people (any nationality) are.

    • Meh

      I sort of like the Chinese but holy crap… Yeah the people who want to act like this need to stay. I can’t understand how anyone can act like this. First drive ran her over with the front wheels. ” Oh, I hit someone?” Then just keeps on going running her over with the back wheels. What the f*ck?

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