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2-Year-Old Girl Ran Over by Van & Ignored by 18 Bystanders

by on Sunday, October 16, 2011 1,241 comments comments

Highlighted, a 2-year-old little girl about to be hit and run over by a white van in the background, in Guangdong, China.

From NetEase, Sina, and Sina Weibo:

2-year-old female child ran over by car, 18 passersby ignore her

Synopsis: October 13th afternoon around 5:30, a car accident occurred at the Guangfo Hardware Market in Huangqi of Foshan. A van hit a 2-year-old little girl and then fled. No passersby reached out to help and then another car ran over her. Over the span of 7 minutes, a total of 17 people passing by failed to extend a hand or call the police, up until the 19th person, a garbage scavenger ayi [older woman], who lifted her up after discovering her but the little girl in her arms was like a noodle, immediately collapsing back onto the ground. The trash scavenger ayi called for help, and the little girl’s mother, who was in the vicinity, immediately rushed over and rushed her to the hospital.

The news report video above has been viewed nearly 700k times on popular Chinese video-sharing website Youku since it was uploaded 17 hours ago and currently has over 6200 comments spanning 210 pages. This story is also spreading on China’s popular microblogging service Sina Weibo in addition to receiving a lot of views and comments on China’s major internet news portals and communities.

In addition to showing the little girl, Yue Yue being run over twice and many of the bystanders who didn’t stop to help her, it also shows that Yue Yue is currently in the hospital in critical condition. Police have already found the second driver but have yet to find the first driver as they were unable to read the first van’s license plate and are calling upon witnesses for help. Yue Yue’s parents are also shown.

A man who walks by pretending not to see the little girl lying injured on the street.

A Chinese man riding by on his tricycle cart carrying pipes, avoiding the body of a 2-year-old little girl on the road.

The worried mother of a 2-year-old girl who had been run over twice in Foshan, China and then subsequently ignored by 18 bystanders.

The weeping father of a 2-year-old little girl who was ran over by a van and truck and then ignored by 18 bystanders.

Comments from NetEase:

lgaxy [网易浙江省嘉兴市网友]:

It isn’t ignoring, it’s not daring. If one were to encounter a Nanjing judge, one would be screwed.

[Note: "Nanjing judge" refers to the infamous 2006 case of a man named Peng Yu who helped a woman to the hospital after she had fallen only to have the old woman accuse him of knocking her down. The Nanjing judge in that case ultimately ruled that common sense dictated that only the person who hit her would take her to the hospital, setting a precedent that continues only further discourages and reinforces many Chinese people's wariness to help others in similar situations.]

做个自然人 [网易陕西省西安市网友]:

Truly very painful!
The majority of us Chinese people are already considered abnormal!

六十夕阳红 [网易上海市长宁区网友]:

The Chinese people have arrived at their most moral-less moment!

向前冲 [网易北京市网友]:

It can only be said that the garbage scavenger doesn’t read news on the internet.

屠杀农民工 [网易北京市朝阳区网友]:

No one wants to cause trouble for themselves. These days, everyone is busy enough with their own matters. To say these people are cold-blooded is a bit too strong. Those who want to criticize them should first ask themselves: Would you have gone to help or not?

kenny44272 [网易广东省江门市网友]:

The driver should die.
The child’s parents have some responsibility that cannot be shirked, especially the mother.
The passers-by who ignored an injured child are as low as cats and dogs, simply unbelievable.
This video shakes the soul of every conscientious person.

网易浙江省杭州市网友:

Don’t blame the passersby, it was a Nanjing judge that killed this little girl.

网易广东省河源市网友:

Those people who walked by are animals. No, even some animals have compassion and would at the very least stop to take a look. Those 18 pigs who walked by should also be arrested and taught a lesson with 15 days [in jail]. Instead it was the waste scavenger ayi from other parts [of the country] who had a conscience.

网易浙江省宁波市网友:

Mencius taught us: The poor must look after themselves, while they rich should spread goodness throughout the world.

With regards to this incident, we first cannot blame the driver, who makes a living with his physical labor. We cannot close our eyes and demand that he bear too much responsibility, as he didn’t mean to hit someone either, and it was definitely very difficult to have noticed [the child], and afterward he was conflicted too, only he was afraid of bearing the burden of compensation and that’s why he chose to run away. I can sympathize with him. After all, running away means still having a life to live while not running might mean his life is completely ruined. Though running away means his conscience is to be condemned, how important is one’s conscience for the rabble where simply getting enough to eat is already a major accomplishment? Not betraying one’s conscience in reality is a kind of spiritual luxury.

The people who passed by are also not worthy of being blamed. To conclude that they are cold-blooded for turning a blind eye is a bit arbitrary. If it were a small cat or a small dog struggling on the ground, I think they would definitely give their attention, even kneel down to investigate the injuries, maybe even carrying them home to nurse them back to health. But when it is a child, everyone pretends they don’t see, it is always like this, almost without exception. This is not about whether or not a person is cold-blooded or not cold-blooded, but it is definitely about there being a very serious problem in society. These days, it is better to be less involved than more involved. Getting involved may very well mean getting majorly screwed. There are really too many of these kind of precedents, and everyone has silently evolved from these observations. No one is more qualified than anyone else to criticize.

和谐评论非处不娶 [网易吉林省延吉市网友]:

No one will say anything if you run over a dog and flee, but this was running over a person… This driver must be severely punished.

兔兔要开心 [网易江苏省南京市网友]:

I wouldn’t necessarily send her into the hospital, but I would definitely make a call, and call for help. For those people who saw and then made a detour around her, have your consciences all been “eaten by a dog” [lost]? May your own children be the next Yue Yue [name of the 2-year-old girl who was run over in the video].

网易江苏省苏州市网友:

I cried…

网易山东省青岛市网友 [贱男春浪贱]:

Those above who are saying that our countrymen have become numb, I want to ask simply: What would you do if you ran into this kind of thing? Don’t just blame this or that on this internet post, would you risk being accused of being the perpetrator? Would you be willing to dump your entire family’s savings into the endless vortex of accident compensation? You aren’t afraid of going to jail as the perpetrator? Have you not considered that one moment of greatness could mean your entire family losing their happiness with you? Do you know just how many Nanjing judge [case results] there are? Do you think it is only Nanjing? The consequences of moral turpitude is not something that you and I can rectify. We are just ordinary people. Seeing this kind of thing, I can only describe it as heart-breaking, but I would be numb/indifferent like those 18 people…because I am a normal person!!!

Jasonwu [网易广东省佛山市网友]:

Don’t push responsibility onto society, let’s ask ourselves: what are we afraid of?

投篮 [网易亚太地区网友]:

I remember when I was small there was a small girl who fell into a pond. I yelled for help and then some adults came and rescued her. But in the end, her mother kept asking if it was me who pushed her in. Now that I think about it, I was truly lucky!!!!

What do you think?

The Chinese parents of a 2-year-old girl who was ran over twice and ignored by 18 pedestrians who passed by.

The lone woman who stopped and called for help after a 2-year-old little girl was run over by two cars.

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  • Mary

    I cannot even fathom some of the comments I am reading on here.People using nanjing laws/judges as an excuse for these people’s deplorable behaviour, and you people excusing them would do the same thing to a fellow human being dying in the street, you are just as culpable because the coldness has already taken over your heart.
    Imagine the pain that little sweetheart was going through as those scumbags that passed her by blatantly ignored her pain, her humanity.
    I have to wonder if these animals had family, children, themselves ~ One hopes not .although I did see a person with a child pass by & ignore the little girl , that child will never forget her own mothers inhumanity towards another child, she will take a mental note that her mother is not to be trusted in such dire situations, by ignoring this suffering little girl,she killed a part of her own childs heart that day ~
    And all of you excusing this behaviour SHAME ON YOU !!!!

    • TraderPaul

      The mainland Chinese are cowards. The “Nanjing Law” is not in fact a law but just an isolated incident in a country of over a billion people. The chinese will conveniently use this case as a reason to never help another human being in distress, even if it is their neighbour or friend.

      • Just John

        Repeatedly saying something false is not going to make you look smarter, in fact, just the opposite.

        Saying this is the only case just shows that you ignore all the others.

        Just because it is the most famous case does not mean it is the only case. Several examples have been given to you of other cases, of other times this same situation has occurred.

        Or, just keep saying it and making yourself look ignorant and stupid (because when your claim has been refuted and proven to be incorrect, to continue denying it is stupid).

        • TraderPaul

          What is false? It’s a fact that there is no such law which makes a rescuer liable if they try to help or if they save someone’s life. I never said it was the only case, and there may be a few cases. But the fact is that behaviour and morality of over a billion people is affected by these few cases because the mainland Chinese are very fearful of losing money. Such victim lawsuits have happened in other many other countries, but it does not affect those peoples’ innate desire to help someone who is dying. People in other countries don’t stop and worry about lawsuits if there is someone dying, especially a two year old girl. But people in China CHOOSE to use this lawsuit as a convenient excuse not to help others. They even tell their friends and relatives never to help anyone. What kind of society is that? I’m very glad that my parents left China as soon as they could.

          • Just John

            Because it is not the only case? I never said it was a law. I just said the Nanjing case is not the only one, just the most famous one.
            Now go back to your dur dur.

  • Angelena

    I havet see the video yet but god by me seeing the pics made me cryed.I know the little girl in gods hands..

  • http://zhongkanmei.blogspot.com Fu ZhiGao

    You know there is one other reason, rooted a bit farther back in history, why people have no reactions to things like this.

    About 40 years ago, during the Cultural Revolution, life for a lot of people just sucked. Central planned economy, nasty local officials, etc. There also wasn’t enough food for a long, long period of time.

    It’s hard to get people to talk about it, but one thing I have heard talked about were the famines brought on by poor production and distribution of resources. This caused millions of people to starve. People took care of their own families above everything else, and, if they had to make decisions killed/ate their pets and committed infanticide if they had to.

    That period of time has left its mark on the people here in ways that I don’t remember seeing in Hong Kong when I lived there. People ignore suffering because they’re desensitized to it and don’t want to get involved. It’s taxing and draining sometimes there isn’t anything you can do.

    Hospital care here isn’t great unless you’ve got a lot of money, and hospitals will send you away if you can’t afford the treatment.

    I’m sorry this happened, and if I had been there, I would have helped out in any way I could. But you also have to realize that the hospital probably gave her the treatment that her family could afford and unless someone gave her family money for intensive care, even getting her to the hospital wouldn’t probably have been enough to save her life.

    • John Dalton

      I live in China, have lived in Hong Kong and can find no sense in your perspective. Your reasoning is not adequate.

      • jj leonard

        have you been to fo shan do you really lived in china for how long ? i was born in hong kong i,m half irish i went to china since 94 i,ve been all places some did really had the bad side in china believe it or not and second to be sure look properly the camera again if you have lived in china why the hell you cant even reconise the cars and vans and the place was taken its definately china ok …………have you seen people in your country piss on the floor of a night club or just piss outside your house did you see kids shitting just outside the resturant door ,dude explore more details before you can say adequate thank you ……

      • John Dalton

        It has come to my attention through the useful comments of other contributors that my previous criticism was not specific enough. I meant that that:

        A girl lost her life as a direct result of irresponsible action and inaction of Chinese citizens. Stop making excuses and allow responsibility and blame to be places squarely on the people.

        It doesn’t matter what might or might not have happened if they helped… each one of those people contributed to this girls death by making a personal decision not to lend a hand. It’s not an isolated incident, diffusion of responsibility or anything else. The problem you see above illustrates how Chinese people subscribe to their own uselessness. They think they can’t do anything so they don’t do anything. Self fulfilling prophecy?

        In my experience with Chinese people, when confronted with any social issue, they express discontent for the state of affairs but overwhelming assert to me that they can do nothing about matters and so they don’t try.

        Your hopeless attitude and others like it are not useful for the development of China. Whether or not you want to help, that’s up to you but I’ve left my home country to contribute to positive change here. In those conversations I discussed above, I’ve been told time and time again that I can’t help China, that the problems are too big to be address. Given the current state of Chinese culture, I’m not suprised to hear that sort of thing but I’m certainly not so completely disillusioned that I’d give up like so many others have.

        • Kong

          Lordy! Thanks to the White Man that they have blessed the poor and backward Chinese People with their benevolence and aid, values and morality! What would poor, stupid Chinese be without the guiding hand of the beautiful White Western Man! Chinese should thank you on the street that you have blessed them by coming to their parched homeland to teach them how to be humans. After all, among all other cultures, Chinese culture is the most inhuman and backward!

          I offer you a challenge to stop exploiting. Can you do that? Do you even want to? The least you could do is buy a mirror, but it cannot be helped that objects lose perspective.

          • John Dalton

            And now that you’ve humored your emotions over your intellect, can you please engage the key concepts outlined above?

          • Niti

            couldn’t agree more :)

          • Boris

            ‘…you’ve humored your emotions over your intellect…’ John, I imagine you have that effect on a lot of people. If we were sat in a bar right now and I heard you spouting your manifesto, it would take divine intervention to stop me from putting a broken bottle in your fucking face.

          • John Dalton

            Boris, if you were sat in a library right now…

          • Boris

            …I’d be flicking through a copy of the Karma Sutra looking for inspiration whilst raping that sweet mouth of yours.

          • Snarl

            To Kong and Boris, your obvious racism toward white people seems to leave both of you entirely unable to actually acknowledge that John, like many other people (disproportionately white, I might add) have done laudable selfless things to help people to whom they were neither related, nor had any incentive to render aid. It seems that neither of you benefit from altruism or civility nearly as much as John and others like him. What have you two blokes ever done to help someone other than yourselves for interests other than personal gain?

            With that said, John hit the nail on the head. Each person is individually responsible for their own actions, regardless of their fears and anxieties.

          • Boris

            Snarl,
            My ‘obvious racism towards white people’ -care to expand on that? I could bore you with a list of times I’ve helped people out at considerable expense, and danger, to myself. Since you want an example, couple a years back I stopped a couple of skinheads killing a guy from Uzbekistan on the Moscow underground. Thought I was going to meet my maker then, but you can’t get rid of me that easily. At the other end of the spectrum I used to walk a dog for a disabled lady who’s bakery was blown up by the IRA -OK, so it’s not on par with finding a cure for cancer, but it’s my small contribution to mankind. I’ve met plenty of helpful Chinese people. Anyway, can’t chat with you for too long as I’m off to play a bit of football with some Africans, some Chinese, and… read carefully…even a couple of whites.

          • Snarl

            Boris,
            “If we were sat in a bar right now and I heard you spouting your manifesto, it would take divine intervention to stop me from putting a broken bottle in your fucking face.”
            Care to explain how that is not racist?
            And by the way, you sounded less stupid when you weren’t pulling stories of past heroism out of your arse.

          • Boris

            Am I missing something? How is that racist? I’m obviously too stupid to comprehend. As far as the stories go, you asked for it, you got it, and instead of refuting that I’ve done things decent, you just insult me.

          • Tai

            Gosh.This incident has put the whole of China to shame. All the money spent in great events like the Olympics to show the whole world how great China is. And with just this one video. that cost almost nothing. Has sent all its glory down the sewer. And yet Kong is too proud to acknowledge shame and instead made things worse by scolding others. How much lower do you want to go? I am surprised the President of China has not made any statement to this effect. The whole world is watching!!!

          • John Dalton

            Boris, You’re welcome to have a discussion here but you can’t expect to be given consideration by threatening me and then painting yourself a hero for Snarl or others.

            It’s a very uncomfortable proposal that I made above and one that, as it has, is obvious to draw criticism. However, there seems to be a sufficient amount of evidence, some of which I offered above, to suggest that there is something fundamentally wrong with culture in China. Talk to people about it… they’re not happy.

            As for Kong, this isn’t a matter that concerns “beautiful White Westen Man,” as culture transcends political borders, race and so on. You actually seem less apt than Boris so maybe now is a good time to back out of the discussion.

            Boris, I don’t know if you’re of the same idea but if you think something about the people watching a small girl dying isn’t backwards or inhuman you’re going to have a very difficult task convincing me otherwise. And if you think this individual behavior has no relation to culture you’re going to have to demonstrate that point with ideas and not threats or insults. In a post below I cited examples of how cultural corruption in China is a widespread problem–it’s uncomfortable assertion but one that needs to be faced squarely because one way or the other it is costing lives of people here and one shouldn’t stand idly by while it happens.

          • Boris

            John, since you’ve dropped the sanctimonious tone I will attempt to curb my hostility. Is there something fundamentally wrong with Chinese culture? As an extension of human nature, all cultures are flawed. You say people are unhappy in China. I’m not sure they’re any less happy than in Western countries. The glaring problems China faces seem to affect all of Chinese society. In England the problems are much more pronounced in a single class. We have an entire underclass of people who feel excluded from society. Some of them are certainly angry. I was raging. If I weigh up the pros and cons of English and Chinese society, I think they pretty much match each other. In England, things like violence, drug and alcohol abuse, teenage pregnancies, mental illness and the breakdown of the family unit ‘seem’ far more pervasive than in China. I can’t prove that they are, but my experience indicates this is probably the case. Do I see anything fundamentally wrong with totalitarianism? Again, I can see its pros and cons. Granted, I’m in a privaleged position here; I don’t know how it feels to be Chinese in China. In the main I’m happy living in China. If I had kids I’d have to seriously consider what environment I’d want them growing up in. China -with its one-size-fits-all education system, poor health services, – well, it makes you think. But I know kids in England who are now totally screwed because their society failed to protect them adequately from the destructive forces I previously mentioned. If I had a family, I’d probably opt to stay here.
            Regards the incident. It’s very difficult to see clearly. I can’t tell if it’s obvious that the passers-by are witnessing a girl in agony. I live out in the boondocks, and people are constantly using kids here for scams -or simply for theft. If I saw a kid lying on the ground, my experience would dictate that the first thoughts running through my head would be ones of suspicion. As I’m a curious bugger, I’d probably check her out. And then, having no knowledge of first aid, I’d probably freak out and do something stupid like move her away from the road before phoning for help. In truth, I don’t know why these people didn’t act. Was it the Bystander Effect, memory of the Nanjing Judge affair, fear of being scammed? I have no idea. Will I condemn these people? Only as much as I’m prepared to condemn society. If I was genuinely altruistic I’d be living in England helping the most under-privileged; because of cultural similarities I’d be in a much better position to help them than help Chinese. Am I different from Chinese people? Only in the most superficial ways. I hold with Machiavelli’s view that people need law to coerce them into decent behaviour. The only exception I can see to this is moral or religious education, which can use guilt or shame as the motor for action, or a high level of awareness which cultivates what could be termed ‘enlightened selfishness’.
            I know heaps of Chinese people, and I don’t think they are any more or less selfish than the Westerners I know.

          • Kong

            Sigh, I take a day off and look at this place.

            John: I could care less about your impressions. I have read each and every post by everyone here since the beginning in order to get a feel for their arguments. I pick and choose where I reply. If you want to make a legitimate comment about me as a poster, I suggest you review my posts. Or you could be lazy; I won’t blame you, but I will hold it against you.

            Culture does NOT transcend political boundaries. Politics is INHERENTLY a cultural affair, and intercultural relations are inseparable from politics. When you presume to label other people, you are exerting cultural power over them. If you get them to believe you (and think themselves inferior), then you’ve become another footnote in the history of cultural imperialism. Perhaps you might consider that some people would wish to not have labels like “poor”, “inferior”, “sub-human” shoved on them by outsiders. Of course, someone who has never been subject to such subversive ethnocentrism might not realize what they are saying. There is a huge difference between working with locals to combat social decay (it’s called ‘decay’ for a reason), and working against an entire culture as some fifth column for western imperialism.

            Snarl: Go back under the bridge, where you belong, Troll. You either cannot comprehend sarcasm, or (as I suspect) you are throwing out the racist label to disguise your own racist remarks, ironically enough. If you weren’t a troll, I’d love to hear you elaborate on how white people are disproportionally selfless. I’d also love to hear how you decided that I do not regularly perform local community service. Alas, a troll is what you are, so the answer to these questions is obvious: you make it up.

            Tai: How have I made things worse? Also, I’m curious as to how it was decided that I am Chinese…. This is a strange thing, and I can’t decide if people are trolls or just lazy.

          • myriam

            Boris,

            ” The only exception I can see to this is moral or religious education, which can use guilt or shame as the motor for action, or a high level of awareness which cultivates what could be termed ‘enlightened selfishness’.
            I know heaps of Chinese people, and I don’t think they are any more or less selfish than the Westerners I know.”

            this just shows how less you know about anything.

            First religious educations don’t use shame or guilt, it uses FEAR of what might wait for you after you die. And it demolishes people ability of free thinking, critical thinking and forming own opinions, which can result in posts like yours by example.

            The question if you REALLY think if chinese are more selfish then westerners (you think that they aren’t), you can in fact answer to yourself more honestly, by asking yourself, if you were the 2 year old girl and you could chose where you were laying on the floor in your own blood, after you have been rolled over by a car (even its extreeeeemely unlikely that in a western country someone would drive over her again with his back wheels to get sure that she will die so he will save some compensation money), and since you think chinese are not more selfish then westerners, then i think you would chose china as the place where you will be hit and rolled over by a car ? I don’t know but i think MY chances to survive and that a passer by will come for my rescue and someone to call the ambulance, would dramatically increase when it would happen in ANY european country incl. GB, the USA, Australia, NZ,….and so on. Damn, i would have even better chances if i would lay on the floor in most of the 3rd world countries and even in any of the african countries its more likely that someone will come to my rescue. So if i could chose between Timbuctu, Zimbabwe, Ghana, or even Afghanistan, or some civil war/or high crime rate country in south america, even then china would be at the end of my “wish list”. I could bet that even in all the countries i mention you would find people which would, even under gun fire and risking their own lives, would try to pull this girl away from the street. On the other side a chinese would not even make a phone call, cause its none of his/her business, and probably they are late for lunch anyway….

            sorry to say that Boris, but you seem to lack some formal education , reality and common sense.

          • mr. weiner

            “lacks education” etc etc, I think you mean he lacks the good sense not to agree with your moralistic huffing and puffing. Bloody hell why don’t you criticise his personal hiegene whilst your at it Myrian?

          • John Dalton

            Kong, I’m not sure where you gather your information but there’s an ongoing discourse in almost every country on earth regarding culture and the power of politics over them.

            In China specifically, the CCP, Chinese governing bodies and leading universities are all involved in the same discourse and they all agree that culture does, in fact, transcend political boundaries. This explains the practical purpose of their work… to create agenda and policy which guides cultural developments along the party line.

            Your outmoded neo-imperial criticism is irrelevant in the current context.

            For your help, there’s a lot of leading analytical work that can help you understand earth:

          • Kong

            John, you’ve written a lot, but it doesn’t actually say anything. Your points as I understand them are as follows (please correct me where my misunderstandings lie):
            1) There are discussions going on world-wide concerning the relationship of politics and culture.
            -Obviously. The discussion we are having right now is just such a one. If you were attempting to imply that my views regarding the relationship are incorrect, you failed so say so and why.

            2) In China, a country where politics are an integral part of everyday life, the single, State-run party and its affiliated universities have agreed that culture “transcends political boundaries”. The purpose of the CCP political entity is to use political institutions in order to change culture to suit its political goals.
            -Yea, read that again. In a single, short (appreciated) paragraph, you both stated that culture transcends political “boundaries”, and that politics influences culture. This is important because you have either agreed to what I wrote, or you have contradicted yourself. Seeing as how “race” is really just a social convention that loosely represents ethnic and national diversity, I’m guessing you just got confused. I just want to make sure before any attempt at clarification is made.
            -Also notable is that – without providing any actual sources – you used the CCP’s politically-motivated findings as support for a finding that validates their own efforts. I hope the irony is not lost on you.

            Your third paragraph attempts to attach a straw-man label to me and patronize it without explaining why it is irrelevant, and (most importantly to me), how my criticism is “neo-imperial”. If anything, it’s post-structural, but at this point, I really don’t expect you to know what you’re talking about.

            Your last sentence, as a statement, means little, especially since you failed to provide anything. Or perhaps my expectations were simply lead on by the mysterious ‘for your help” and the lonesome “:”. If you actually have something useful to share, I’m genuinely interested. Since this *is* an internet forum, though, I’m not holding my breath. I won’t hold it against you if you don’t; such discussions are a lot of work. I just ask that you provide substance to back up your strange claims.

          • Boris

            Myrium,
            Hell hath no fury like a hippo scorned!

          • Just John

            Boris, your comment proves an interesting point.
            After reading it, I thought of myriam, and how she argues, what she argues about, and the way she has acted.

            I think I quite agree with you, “hippo” seems to fit her, at least in how I imagine her.

            You know those aunts who are overweight, never married, and gather with all of their other overweight, unmarried friends to bitch about everything, then write letters to magazines complaining that the sexy models in them are objectifying women and the magazine should be ashamed of itself?

            Why do I get the feeling we should be calling myriam “auntie”?

          • Boris

            I feel the ground beneath me rumble every time she posts a comment.

          • Tengu

            “Most human deaths occur when the victim gets between the hippo and deep water or between a mother and her calf. I’ve read descriptions of their ground-rumbling charges” – that explains the tremors Boris feels.

            “Hippos defecate copious amounts into the rivers and ponds in which they wallow all day and also partake of a charming ritual described by hippo experts as “dung showering.” They blow crap mixed with urine all over the place to humiliate their hippo rivals and inferiors and mark the territory around their watering hole, swishing their little tails to be sure to get plenty of coverage at nose level. ”

            Is her tail spinning?

  • Just John

    You know, after reading over many comments, I thought of some questions for some of the posters on this story.

    For those decrying how inhumane the Chinese are, how evil the Chinese are, how messed up they are, etc. I have to wonder why you even care about this? I mean, the girl, too, is part of the very nationality you are moaning and groaning about. She doesn’t stop being Chinese just because she is two years old. She doesn’t stop being Chinese because she got hit by a car.

    For those who are calling out things like “My God, she is just a two year old girl”, I have to wonder, does it matter that she is a two year old girl? What if she was a two year old boy? Then is it ok to run him over twice and ignore him as you walk by? Is it a gender thing?

    If not, then it must be age, correct? So if it was a 4 year old, it would be ok, correct? 8 year old? 12? 23? 35? 58? 79? At what age then is it ok to run them over? At what age is it ok to not care about them anymore?

    Would it be ok if it was a begger? A businessman? A lawyer? For those who are so appauled based on her station in life, at what station of life do you say it’s ok to do this?

    Everyone seems so bent out of shape over this incident, but what is so different than other instances where similar things have happen, and yet no one goes on the moral war path?

    • Brett Hunan

      I get your point, but a lawyer may be okay.

      • mr. weiner

        What is the difference between a dead dog at the side of the road and a dead lawyer?
        There are tyre brake marks in front of the dead dog.

        • Tengu

          What do you calm a busload of lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

          A good start…

      • trisha

        hahaha..lol! maybe it would be better if it’s those 18 people who just ignored the kid. so they’ll feel how it hurts… I can’t imagine how animalistic, cold hearted mammal Chinese people are. Those 18 bystanders deserve to die. If it’s here in Philippines, we will always extend a helping hand without any question at all.

    • Tengu

      Sadly this speaks to John and Brett’s comment.

      My daughter’s friend had a little boy (2 years old), he fell in the tub, wound up face down in the water, she took him to the hospital, they examined him, hospital sent her home.

      She went to bed with her little boy in her arms, she woke up, he was dead, died in the middle of the night in his mother’s arms.

      She went to an attorney and inquired about negligence on the part of the hospital.

      Attorney stated it boiled down to the fact that he was just a baby and any compensation was based on his value to society, if he had been a 55 year old guy with 4 kids , then go after the hospital, but since he was a little boy he hadn’t showed any value yet, could wind up president or he could wind up a meth head, but it was yet to be known.

      How fucked up is that?

      I agree John, never acceptable regardless of the age, gender, income level or race. It’s fucking morally wrong to walk by. I don’t give a shit about the “Bystander Effect”, “The Nanjing Judge”….it’s fucking wrong.

      And considering the advice given to my daughter’s friend…Brett’s right, might be okay if was an attorney!

      • trisha

        Gosh! Why are these person still alive????? Where’s the conscience?

    • Kong

      You’re giving too much credit. Those who say “she’s just a ____” aren’t making any genuine argument. It’s perfectly normal so say things like that and moan and wail, but they aren’t arguments, they’re just proverbial screams. Unfortunately, since these thoughts use grammar and take the form of words, some people seem to get confused and mistake them for thought.

      I think if it happened to anyone else, people would also go on a moral war path, simply filling in the blank.

      Whoever mentioned the Western “sin” versus the Eastern “shame” brought up a good point, and it may explain the categorical differences that certain posters see, and other posters think are dumb.

      • Just John

        You say that Kong, but tell me, why didn’t the anti-corruption official get as much attention?
        Why didn’t the college guy beat to death by cops and left on the streets, dead, for so many hours given as much attention?

        Look at all the stories of people dying here on chinaSMACK, and yet, they did not have what, 678 posts at current count.

        Why is it this story, and not the boy with his head beat in that had international attention?

        You say it’s just an outrage, but why did this not happen to all the other stories we see here where people were killed, and it seems like it never got this amount of attention…

        And you still wonder why I ask this question?

        • Ian G

          Maybe the ccp needs something big in china to divert attention from the current situation in Libya, which Gaddafi dead and Libya free… ccp definitly does not want its people to focus on that, so why not use this incident as a diversion? Yue Yue will be remembered for long enough time until Libya is done and dusted.. then ccp will continue to screw the Chinese people as they have always done.

      • Sam

        That’s exactly the thing ”IT WOULDN’T NEVER HAPPEN TO ANYONE ELSE”. Here in Montreal we wonder why Chinese people are so rude, they believe everybody his at their service and they think they can pass in front of everybody… Of course now we understand that`s because your just not HUMAN. So please people from elsewhere go back to China and leave us human BE.

      • Tengu

        “Unfortunately, since these thoughts use grammar and take the form of words, some people seem to get confused and mistake them for thought.” – I don’t know what that means…

        But, since you try to be so succinct the main issue and the general thrust of the argument above is why now? Why not everyone?

        Obviously it’s due to the fact that it was a two year old girl who was caught on camera and had egregious, fatal harm done, but the plain fact of the matter is we should be outraged at every act of barbarism done to another human being, regardless of their station in life.

        As Marcus Aurelius said (I’m paraphrasing);
        “The death of a man and the death of a child are one and the same, We do not own the future, we do not own the past, we all own this single moment in time we live in; it’s as valuable to the man as it is to the child.”

        He was a western general and a philosopher, what would Mencius, Confucius or Buddha say about the suffering of ANYONE, would they try to cherry pick and say there are Eastern/Western differences in how we should behave to our fellow man? I think not.

      • Tengu

        BTW – You just argued that people are mistaking “thoughts” for “thoughts.”

        “since these thoughts…mistake them for thought.”

        You’re a Mobius Strip of inanity, folding in on itself!

        Everyone went on the “moral war path” because a little 2 year old girl is the epitome of fragility and frailty, it becomes obscene because our natural instinct SHOULD be to protect a child.

        She’s the “canary in the coal mine”

        Alistair Cooke once said:
        “When you become a parent you become a parent of all the children in the world.”

        I’m guessing you don’t have kids, I could be wrong.

      • Kong

        Hm, well while I said “thought” twice, there were slightly different meanings behind it. In English, I suppose they are the same word…. I realize the irony in that. Perhaps it would be better phrases “since these notions use grammar and form… mistake them for deep thought”. Apologies for the confusion (or if it gave you a laugh, I suppose that’s okay then).

        Just because y’all have for gotten the uproar caused by the 李刚 scandal or one of the old-man-beat-by-城管 events doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. In 3 months-time, this tragedy will (for most of the world) also begin to fade. What have people said about 陈光诚？ They said, “come on! He’s blind!” As if that has anything to do with it. People just pick the most obvious frailties (thanks, Tengu) about the person and make that an argument for why we should care more. I care; I care a lot. I have two beautiful nieces-one of whom is the same age as this girl. The virtue of them being girls, however, is not my argument.

        That is not to say that it being a girl and a baby does not resonate with people more. I did not intend to imply that, but it isn’t for an rational that this is felt. It’s merely the way people culturally think of little girls and little boys (for better or worse). Is a little girl worth more than a little boy? In China, probably, but the notion of valuing human lives kind of makes me queasy, so I won’t go far into that. The fact (as both John and Tengu point out) is that our societies are gendered and there are a lot of assumptions made about ones gender regardless of there being any truth behind it or not.

        I didn’t wonder why John asked the question. It’s a question that I echoed again and again in my remarks. I just don’t think you can get anywhere arguing with someone who hasn’t given thought (思）to their thinking (想). That is why I replied.

        Ideas are like children. They can be conceived and raised to the best of your ability, but once their put out into the world, very little control is had over who influences them and what they do. I have little doubt what these philosophers would suggest, but their words, actions, and images are now merely the tools used by political parties. History is written by the victor, and that includes the museum-ing of people and ideas. If that is too vague, my meaning is that what these philosophers would say is irrelevant; I am referring to how people behave.

        • Kong

          I keep seeing a quote floating around attributed to Ghandi. I do not know if it is an actual quote. Something about Christians tending to not be like Christ.

          • Tengu

            Lot of Christians have lost all sense of Christianity….they’re zealots and zealotry distorts your normal impulses.

        • Tengu

          Apologies for the nitpicking on the grammar, understood about the language issue.

          I agree it is a sad state of affairs when people behave like this, but to me it is troubling in that it crosses all lines, genders, races nationalities.

          Yes Yue Yue hit the heart harder because she is a little girl and we view them as the most vulnerable of all, gender bias I know, but we always tend to assume little boys can take care of themselves.

          The legal system in the US support this as I stated before, actuaries make the rules. This much for a finger, this much for an arm, this much for a kid 20 years old and this much for a single the mother of three.

          Historically people have turned a blind eye with more and more frequency as the decades wear on, this violation seems all the more heinous due to the real time reactions, cameras, film . Technology has it’s benefits and its drawbacks.

          Is in an endemic sickness is ALL societies, I would argue it is.

          I’m not sure if people will continue to behave better; I’m not sure if they will value life any more because of this.

          I would like to be optimistic, but in my heart of hearts, I have little hope for that. Our sphere of concern is limited to our own personal space, our own personal needs and rarely expands beyond that. Sadly, the communal attention span has been shortened, we move on quickly.

          From marriage to marriage, job to job, house to house with no afterthought of the repercussions or the carnage we leave in our wake.

          Will something more horrific than this take Yue Yue’s place in the consciousness shortly, most likely.

          Philosophers words ,actions and images can have an affect on individuals as well as political parties.

          Following the teaching of Marcus Aurelius or Heraclitus is not a bad way to keep yourself by walking by ANYONE in need and it’s a decent way to guide yourself to simply being a good man.

          The greater question which arises from this:
          Are our collectives culture doomed…everyone’s.

          Has the world been desensitized to such a level that this can happen, in some ways we have proof it has.

          One point to remember. It caused an uproar in the West because the West perceives China as placing no value on little girls, hence the massive amount of young adopted Chinese girls in the US. I have friends in China with multiple girls, I have friends in the US who adopted Chinese twin sisters and then another.

          But the furor and outrage will die down in the West faster than anywhere…she’ll be forgotten by Monday…sad state of affairs that anyone’s loved one killed in such a blatant manner can disappear from the collective consciousness so quickly, I hope the Chinese does not forget. To have her die in vain would be the most criminal act of all.

          If you subscribe to the “We’re ALL on a Molten Rock Hurtling Through Space” theory and that’s all it is…then we’re fucked as a species (all inclusive) and will die out within 200 years.

          “since these notions use grammar and form… mistake them for deep thought” – well done.

          • Tengu

            “Christ-on-a bike”*

            http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/22/yueyue-child-death-sichuan.php

            * mr. weiner
            “Guo Meimei Responds to Red Cross Controversy – Part 2″
            Friday, August 26, 2011 11:16 pm

          • Kong

            FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
            我擦, is the idea really that these drivers will not go to prison? Is is because everyone is used to dealing with accidents immediately, on the street, and in cash? So what, it’s cheaper to kill than injure? >:/

            I think people get desensitized, but I don’t necessarily blame technology. It’s only a tool after all. More influential, IMO, are the economic systems we live in. They tend to make life about the buck, short-term consequences, convenient, self-gratifying whatevers. I think this trend will change. The cultural institutions that promote such a lifestyle will implode. But perhaps that’s more of a hope (although I generally see “hope” as useless).

          • Tengu

            “How much should I pay?” – WTF!!!!!!!

            I agree that technology is not the sole reason we become desensitized. I think technology IS what made Yue Yue so immediate, shocking and terrible, we were there, we heard, we could watch it and send it to people to watch. We had a window on horror, but it wasn’t OUR horror.

            Now this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            The economic hardship, isolation and instability people are experiencing worldwide are huge forces for despair, greed and protection of one’s self i.r. one’s own.

            We do have a fetish for instant gratification, which IMHO is partly to blame on technology. Look at the porn industry.

            When I was a kid, we had to work to get to see naked women, takes about 3 seconds to find the most scorching scenes you can imagine. And kids expect that in real life.

            We have the Pacific Garbage Patch, which will never be cleaned up, the Yellow River is functionally dead. Yet we keep “moving ahead.

            US is worse than anywhere, gas is getting expensive (to us!), but instead of buying more efficient cars. You know what’s being pushed.

            Now is the time to get a great deal on a Hummer or some other giant car if you don’t have to drive that much.

            I can buy a 12 cylinder and go crazy, because I’m either on the road or I work at home; either way I should be driving a Prius.

            Something’s gone horribly awry with our entire value system.

            I’m with you on the “hope”, but it looks grim.

    • TraderPaul

      This incident hits a raw nerve with people around the world because a 2year old is completely innocent and utterly defenseless. She was not even able to comprehend the danger that she was in. Here in Canada, it’s still front page news.

      Personally, I am outraged because even after this horrific accident, people in China still swear they will never help a dying stranger because it might cost them some money. This has nothing to do with the Bystander Effect. Those people will all go to hell one day with their nickels and dimes still in their pockets.

    • myriam

      i understand your point (or at least i hope so), and it sounds reasonable (but just on the first sight).

      generally speaking it of course doesn’t matter who is laying on the floor bleeding, young or old, male or female. The “normal” moral reaction would be to help, or at least i can say for myself that i would do so,cause i feel its the right thing to do. I think that no one who said that he/she would help would think for a second about the gender of the child. I think to get a more adequate answer you should ask, what IF….you could save JUST one of 2 lives (cause of particular circumstances) and you must chose between male/female (is this even visible at such a young age?), or better between a 2 year old and 50 years old ? I think you might have heard about the argument of this crazy pro life folks in the US regarding stan cell research, which they consider a life form. So the question is what if a hospital is under fire and you either can save 2 babies or a hundred “potential babies”, what would you chose ?

      Regarding the girl and her nationality i think that doesn’t matter at all. I think we can all agree on the fact (in hope there are none religious freaks here which consider themselves chosen ones), that we are born into particular families, societies, countries, and some raised into particular believes, faiths and customs by ACCIDENT. So i find it doubtful that we can say a 2 year old is a chinese. First of all she or he was born as a HUMAN being and in my opinion, like Marx said, every human has the RIGHT to dignity and human dignity is UNTOUCHABLE (well at least it would be nice if this was the case everywhere, cause as we know, in certain geographical regions this term is flexed more or less, deepening on the certain civilization level and achievement of the particular society). From this point of view, China in particular, is still very underdeveloped and its very unlikely that anything will change anytime soon.

      But to answer your other questions. No its not about age, even of course its (or at least it should be) in every humans morally developed nature to feel more empathy with humans which can’t defend themselves, which are week, either too young or too old or too sick by example. So without a comparison, like, in case you MUST chose which life or life form you can save, your question doesn’t make sense at all, cause its of course NOT ok no to care and just pass by and it of course doesn’t matter which social status the injured one has. To ask about what status of life it would be ok, you should not just give “status options of the individual”, you should better give “comparison options” where the person which could help MUST chose (in case he likes to help) from. But you didn’t do that.

      People or citizen must learn how to respect life first and form my point of view ANY country and society is judged by the way how it treats his WEAKEST members and every society and country is just worth as much as the degree in which they can overcome poverty, selfishness and greed. The respect for human dignity should not be an exclusive right for people which are born by accident/luck into a certain countries and societies. This 2 year old can’t be called a chinese, she is just a small girl which know nothing about china, same like the 2 year old in pakistan or saudi arabia who will be raised a muslim, or the indian which will be a Hindu, all by ACCIDENT. We can not just turn our heads, like most of the chinese do and just comment “well that was unfortunate”, ignoring people which need a helping hand which in fact would be a life saving one in this particular example.

      Its also not important how this small girl would turn out when she gets older, as an ignorant passerby or a helpful samaritan. I just know that here chances will be very limited cause she was born by accident into circumstances and a society where her chances are much smaller then when she would be born in europe by example. But ignorance and cowardliness of her environment are definitely NO useful tools which are helpful for her own development as a human, just in case she would have survived this ignorance which killed her, or the drivers decision to roll over her cause he DECIDED , just in case he get caught, that its better FOR HIM to pay a one time compensation for a dead child, then a life long monthly amount for an injured child. The fact that he didn’t even made a big deal out of it and admitted that, shows how respectful for other peoples health and life people in this country are. Of course there is respect on can find in china, but its the respect for money alone, NOT for life !

    • Carrie

      It wouldn’t make a difference if it was a girl, boy, man woman or even a dog. If someone is in need of help, most people I know couldn’t possibly walk past without helping. We should look after eachother. What if it were your child?

    • Gingerbread

      No you’re the one who should STFU cause’ I am enjoying my freedom of choice to reject your request while doing the same for my right to freedom of speech as well. I completely understood what you meant by “Who is we”. Now the thing is, I don’t get the logic behind your context of how important it actually was for me to start some furious altercation just by revealing and/or posting any name of which that shall define individuals and organizations that will have to speak for myself.

      You better stop trying to sound smarter cause’ seriously, you do not make sense. Besides, I am not even asking what your nationality is and I don’t care if you’re a very irrational American. That information is incredibly irrelevant. You better shut the fuck up.

      Seriously, the only bigoted person here is you. I am not discriminating Chinese citizens alone. It’s what they portray so they deserve this downgrading comment. You are not even Chinese so better get the hell out of here and do something to sharpen your reasoning skills. So much for trying so hard to sound like a philosopher. Bye asshole. :>

      • Tengu

        I’m curious who you’re responding to in the enormous thread, since there’s been so much back and forth.

        • Just John

          I pissed the cookie off when I challenged his right to speak for others.

          So, do you want the eyes or the buttons? I am eating the arms and legs.

          • Tengu

            Eyes AND Buttons, you cheap bastard.

            “the only bigoted person here is you…”…is it his first day?

            More bigots out here than assholes at a rodeo.

          • Just John

            Lord Farquaad: [playing with Gingy's legs] Run, run, run as fast as you can / You can’t catch me, I’m the Gingerbread Man!
            Gingerbread Man: You’re a monster!
            Lord Farquaad: [tossing legs away] I’m not the monster here, YOU are! You and the rest of that fairytale trash, poisoning my perfect world. Now tell me, where are the others?
            Gingerbread Man: Eat me!
            [spits in Farquaad's face]
            Lord Farquaad: I’ve tried to be fair to you creatures, but now my patience has reached its end! Tell me, or I’ll…
            [reaches down]
            Gingerbread Man: NO! Not the buttons! Not my gumdrop buttons!
            Lord Farquaad: All right, then! Who’s hiding them?
            Gingerbread Man: Okay, I’ll tell you… Do you know… the Muffin Man?
            Lord Farquaad: The Muffin Man?
            Gingerbread Man: The Muffin Man.
            Lord Farquaad: Yes, I know the Muffin Man. W-who lives down on Drury Lane?
            Gingerbread Man: Well, she’s married to the Muffin Man…
            Lord Farquaad: The Muffin Man?
            Gingerbread Man: THE MUFFIN MAN!
            Lord Farquaad: She’s married to the Muffin Man…

      • Just John

        Hey Cookie Man, this is not the proper place to continue our discussion. Take it back to the rabbit crush fetish girl, where it belongs, because it is completely inappropriate here. Here is a story about a dead 2 year old girl and others inactions to save her.

        I will give you a wall o’ text over at the rabbit crush story for you to peruse and continue debating about.

        • Tengu

          I was so confused, I searched for “Who is we” and I couldn’t find it….I thought my meds needed to be upped.

          I thought he was channeling “I Am the Walrus”…go go g’joob…

    • Crystal Brock

      honey im talking about the actual people in this neighbor hood. being kind to other humans does not need an understanding of any culture tho it helps. a smile is universal and excuses are like assholes… there is no reason this little girl couldnt have been noticed. that is the definition of cold, ignorant, and in human…

  • Ivan

    This show how people are in china, just worry about money..hope all them die(2 killers and 17 confidents, and the ones defend them in the posts), but so slowly…it make me change the image i had about chinese people.

  • Virginia Thiessen

    I cannot comprehend most of the comments! I do not think anyone should be able to walk on by while a child is dying. Unforgiveable. As to comparing these people with dogs, is an insult to the canines…..they would stop and try to help, they at least have souls!

  • Brett Hunan

    I don’t know if everyone has seen or posted this already, but I just read the news and saw that the girl died today.

    Thoughts to the girl and her family.

    Most of you are idiots. To my level-headed comrades, keep fighting the good fight against retarded comments and commenters.

    • Tengu

      That’s a shame….no matter what the family lost their little girl.

      Sad…

      My grandmother put her hand on my shoulder at my mothers service and said in broken English, “Having my little girl die before me is the worst thing that happened to me.” My mother was 50, but she was sick, it was expected.

      This baby girl was just snatched away from them…this is every parent’s nightmare.

      • Julie

        Living in another Country that almost anyone and everyone would jump to help without thinking, this sickens me to no end that the Chinese population would ingore such a helpless child. The driver has every respondsibilty once he or she sits behind the wheel and pulls away to drive. I have watched the video over and over again and the driver would clearly be able to see the child. It even looks like he turned the wheel towards her at the last moment. If you hit something you can feel it. The is no words that I can speak to say about this drive and the other one who hit her. They will have to answer for this when they meet their maker. As for the ones passing right bay as she lay on the groung bleeding to death and dying right before their eyes these people are the scum of the earth. I strongly believe that the Chinese Government must step in and fix this real fast. For a country to ignore such a situation like this makes the rest of the world questioning all of China’s population. God bless this little girl that she lives and bless her parents that they stand strong beside each other to get through this. Our love from Canada goes out to this little girl and family.

  • claire

    This is so sad, what is wrong with people? if it were there daughter wouldn’t they want someone to help her?? RIP little angel x

  • Michele
    • Tengu

      Thanks for this….

  • banosd

    I had a friend from China who got hurt rollerblading in Minneapolis and was amazed that “everyone” stopped to offer help.

  • Nadia

    well i don’t know but maybe it is the chinese society that needs be fixed…the chinese government has used & abused its people & the result today is horrible things like a little girl being run over like a vulgar animal, no reason for this, china is not at war, so why? usually we see horible things like holocost, massive killing in africa but it is always in a CONTEXT OF WAR!!! but with little YUE YUE there was nothing special just people passing by!!! the worse ever ever ever of human horror….something is really wrong in that town!

  • ananymous

    We should not be blaming parents or the pasderbys we should be trying to help the family financially or emotionally. What would happen if it happened here in the US? I’d rather not see or here about this anywhere in the world.

  • http://tracesofevil.com Keir

    God…. my 10 month old son is still in that country with her mother for another month…

    • mr. weiner

      Hope she gets him one of those toddler leash thingies, the kind where you push a button and it reels them in like a prize marlin, hours of fun and peace of mind too. [sorry I'm getting a bit punch drunk reading all the posts again.]

  • linyanghai

    This is so SAD!!!! I can only think of my daghter in the same situation. We have a 2 yr old as well. After seeing the the comments that are left by the others, I only got more angry. There are more of those “bystanders” out there. To answer your questions, I will take the risk to help the baby. I am saying this with my wife sitting right beside me.

  • Dyz

    “No one wants to cause trouble for themselves. These days, everyone is busy enough with their own matters. To say these people are cold-blooded is a bit too strong. Those who want to criticize them should first ask themselves: Would you have gone to help or not?”

    This is a crazy comment….of course I would have stopped and helped, no matter what the outcome…it’s a matter of doing for others what you would want done for you or your family. To know she died and everyone just walked by is disturbing to me. She deserved better and she did not get it because noone had enough sense to over ride their fears or to even show some honor for another being. She was a very small child who did not deserve that….

  • Beyond Killingsworth

    I dont wanna hear SHIT about “oh they were afraid of the law” it was fucking small child FUCK your life savings FUCK everything you own a small child is dying in front of you and you walk away FUCK YOU you sick fuck.

    • 麵條

      伟哥，that’s a lot of fucks!

      • mr. weiner

        Somebody buy that fella a thesaurus. I hate repeating myself when I curse.

    • TraderPaul

      I totally agree with you, but it’s not even a “law.” It’s just a single incident that happened years ago. There are millions of lawsuits that are dismissed or never make it to court every year. In reality the chances that you will be sued in China for helping a stranger is probably 0.1%, not much different from other countries. But the difference is that the Chinese hang on to this example as a convenient reason never to help anyone. I’m Chinese also, but all the people who think like cowards can go to hell for all I care.

      • myriam

        finally someone who understands this issue. Much better then the senseless excuses of a couple of wannabe chinese culture understanding foreigners trying to be more chinese then any of the chinese.

        The only fear (if there was any fear at all within their ignorance and cowardliness) this 18 bastards and all the shop owners which denied help had, was the fear of loosing money. And this is exactly what they all deserve, to loose all their assets and savings. In china you must either offer money for moral actions or you must punish by taking away money for not committing moral actions, otherwise nothing will ever change. But even then most would still try to get away by doing nothing, cause they consider themselves smart, or smarter then the guy who was caught last week.

        I feel sorry for all the chinese outside china which have nothing to do with these mainland cowards. At least THEY speak out.

        • Suicidal tendency

          OK! Myriam: you win. Mainland are coward senseless inhuman bastards. There’s one less for future generation, are you happy? Or, at which age exactly would you have wished her life to be ruined?

          The first step to accept there’s a problem is to accept the existence of that problem.

          So you can find why these 18 random people didn’t act, or you can keep insulting them and “all Chinese except my friends, my Chinese friends are good people”.

          In the same line, you can start figuring out why you want so much to find the right opportunity to spit on Chinese people.

          TraderPaul: 0.1%? You’re well informed!!
          Per my understanding, your parents have emigrated not so long ago. So I suppose most of members of your family are still in mainland: grand parents, uncles, cousins, etc.
          I’ll assume 18 out of 19 people in your family are cowards. I expect you not to mind, otherwise you would lack of consistency. Or are you also of the kind “All bastards!! (…) well except, me, my family, my friends,…”?

        • Boris

          By the power invested in me… I cast thee out, crone! Be gone, never to darken this doorstep again! P.S. I think Hoffman-Roche manufacture a tablet called Myrium. Similar to Lithium. It turns even the mild and meek into raving, self-righteous lunatics. The more I ‘listen’ to her, the less I think she cares about the child at all.

  • A mother who cares

    I think that asshole that hit that poor little girl should die a very painful death for what that heartless bastard has done, what a fucking idiot, if I were her parents man I would kill him very slowly. The the other pathetic person that ran over her again and the 18 morons that never stopped to help her, I truly wish pain and death upon you. This would be such good news that someone would take it upon them to kill you all. If I were there and didn’t have kids of my own I’d be that person. I don’t care either what you all have to say about my comment, those poor parents and what they must be going through, my heart goes out to them and many thanks to the caring lady who tried to help the precious little girl….Rest in Peace Baby Girl!

  • CBC

    Do these people have no morals at all? This kind of human nature is truly too sad. This is why I prefer living in north america…

  • http://www.trendguardian.com Trend Guardian

    To all of you, you don’t understand. This is where education comes in handy. This is called ‘the bystander effect’ by social psychologists, and WE ARE ALL VICTIMS of this, not only Chinese. From my professor who taught the class: “If there is one lesson I want you to take home, is that if you are in this situation, please help the person, do not fall into the bystander effect.” Remember guys, psychology is powerful, very powerful, it can even save lives. You have to be aware of your shortcomings as a human being, and fight back.

    • Kning

      Fuck the bystander effect. Very convenient, isn’t it, to have a psychological reason for the terrible things humans are capable of? Surely nobody made the CHOICE not to help that little child – they were simply victims! Victims of their own brain!

      Seriously, fuck that. The bystander effect is the result of another effect – the one where human beings always look for an excuse for actions which they cannot rationally or emotionally justify.

      No bystander effect would keep me from helping that little girl. Fact.

    • TraderPaul

      The “Bystander Effect” has been mentioned by some as a possible explanation but the mainland Chinese state explicitly that they will not help a stranger for fear of being sued (even if the chance of being sued is 0.1%) Bystander Effect usually caused by assumptions that someone else will effect, and is more evident in public spaces where there are more people. But in China, even if you are an off-duty doctor alone in a room with another person and that person has a heart attack, you will not help. This is not called “Bystander Effect.” Try “Coward Effect”

  • http://google Brandon

    I can’t stop crying, this is proof that humanity is gone, when a person can stand buy and let such a thing happen not only to a person, but to a child, their are no words that I can think of to explain the people who just kept walking. But I’ll try,(morally and emotionally bankrupt, cowardly,spineless,selfish,heartless. And to the question posed earlier in this discussion board, “if you were the passerby,would you have stopped and helped her?” the answer to that question is YES! without a single moments pause! But then again that’s just the way my mom and daddy raised this red necked Yankee. shame on that society, my heart is officially crushed to bits as theirs should be, but most likely not.

    • Tengu

      “shame on that society,”

      Shame on ALL societies…the value of life is less and less every day!

      • http://google Brandon

        I agree 100% and I know that this kind of thing happens everywhere in the world, however this is more in your face as is should be. I hope that this child’s life will not have been taken in vein and that the right kind of people will not only see but also act on this heartbreaking matter.

        • Tengu

          Very, very “in your face,” unfortunately that is the double edged sword of technology today.

          A few years ago, no one would have known about it, it would have been a local event and the story would simply be a dead girl found in the road.

          BUT

          The technology brings the world directly into the horror and we can watch it and rewatch it. Personally, I could only watch it once and it takes a lot to do that to me.

          As I mentioned above maybe she’ll be the canary in the coal mine and bring about some change in the way people think…the way people EVERYWHERE think.

          Who knows, technology has shortened our attention spans as well, will she be forgotten in a week, we can only wait and see; I would hope not….she’ll always be in my mind, I’ll never be able to get those images out of my head.

          • http://google Brandon

            that image has also scorched its self into my head as well, the question is ( how do we take this chat from discussion board to main stream and to the people who can change things over there

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  • Hongjian

    This is why China needs a second cultural revolution. A complete makeover of the societal moral and a great brainwashing and indoctrination campaign for all chinese people.

    But I was saying this for over ten years by now. The may 4th movement of 1919 was right. Lu Xun was right. Mao was right.
    Liu Xiaobo may also be right, but he’s a fucking annoying faggot and should be lined up and shot.

    Chinese culture, grown in its 5000 years of history, is a giant turd, piled up in all that time.
    But wait. Shit isnt that bad – it can be simply flushed down the drain.
    Chinese culture, on the other hand, must be burned and killed off one element a time.

    • Tengu

      Nice history lesson, thank you!

      You’re magnificent, welcome back……….

      “Liu Xiaobo may also be right, but he’s a fucking annoying faggot and should be lined up and shot.” – Brava Hongjian, Brava!

    • 麵條

      I haven’t read as good 狗屁话 in a long time.
      Truly entertaining!
      When you do eventually crawl out of the bottom end of the gene pool you can then grab your little red book and mobilise the masses, and kill them!
      小毛，加油！

      • Tengu

        Usually it the “Amerikunts” she’s getting lined up to be shot…or gassed, depends on her mood.

        She’s on a roll!

        • mr. weiner

          Is Hongjian an overseas Chinese person? It’s truely amazing how many of these want a return to the cultural revolution and China to expand its border, by force. Whereas the average Chinese bloke ,in China, couldn’t give an airbourne intercourse about this…..Kinda like ze Germans who live in Argentina I ‘spose.

          • Tengu

            Fuck me, you see too many blue eyes in Buenos Aires….it’s scary. “Boys from Brazil”. I think I saw Mengele at a Tango Malonga one balmy evening…he was good!

    • Chef Rocco

      Hong, you should visit Chongqing and join a “red song” chorus.

      I’d love to see you lining up with other dressed-up ladies, singing Mao’s little red book: ” A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” I learned the song long time ago and loving its rhythm.

      Second cultural revolution? maybe unnecessary as long as everyone “initializes a revolution from one’s very depth of soul” as Lin Piao promoted, and “strongly self-condemn even a flash of selfish thought”…

      • Chef Rocco

        Just give you an idea what “second revolution” looks like:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbuEpUi7XJ4

        It may be surprising to all of us, a Laowai – Dr. Kissinger also attended the “revolution” and made a speech.

        • Tengu

          How come so many empty seats on the 50 yard line?

          Perfect place for your “Dog Penis Soup” stand….

          • Chef Rocco

            My stand was placed right outside the stadium, after having kept singing for four hours, many singers with thirsty throats couldn’t resist my “capitalist” soup smell and sneaked out to line up on my stand, that’s why you saw so many empty seats.

            But as firm as Hongjian, she could keep singing for 8 hours without drinking.

          • Tengu

            Well we know she can rant for 4 hours without stopping to take a breath so we have benchmark to work with. (I wonder if she has a gag reflex!)

            What would be a most curious test of her stamina would be how many lined-up “Amerikunts” could she shoot in a single session, we’ll just have someone re-loading for her. We need to figure out a distance. Simple execution or some distance skill involved?

            I’m guessing with that rage….27 hours with 4 breaks every 6 hours for a refreshing and invigorating bowl of “Dog Penis Soup.”

    • B

      >.<
      Thank you for that entertainment you are like a historical relic which one can rub and gaze at historical madness.
      Quite the opposite the moral low of Chinese society should be blamed upon the cultural revolution, I believe it is through culture where moral values and virtue are taught and passed down through generations. Culture is the root and soul of a nation and of it's people , cut it off and they will be lost.

      • Hongjian

        And how come that Lu Xun, someone who wrote his stuff long before the cultural revolution, already denounced the prevalent bloodied steam-buns and the A-San effect of the Chinese people?

        You are the the cancer that is killing China. Instead of acknowledging that you are, to cite Lu Xun, inherently sick in soul and mind, you just blame every shit to the effects of the cultural revolution, as if you, and only you, couldnt possibly have had anything to do with it. Not that your traditional blind worship for money or the tradition of bribery and corruption (hongbao for every new year) has had an effect on you. No, it was the convenient bogeyman of the cultural revolution, that should be blamed.

        Chinese people just suck. And you have noone to blame but yourself and your “5000 years of culture”, that only conists of acting like greedy jews and idolozing the biggest bandit in the backyard. If I wasnt Chinese myself and knew it better than that, I would agree on the bullshit-notion that the Chinese language knows over 800 different words for “profit”, but not one for “loyalty”, “honesty”, “honour” and “spine”.

        >Culture is the root and soul of a nation and of it’s people , cut it off and they will be lost.

        Yeah. If we cut off that bullshit that is the Chinese culture, nothing of worth will be lost anyways.

    • Disgusted

      Unfortunately, this so called “shit” is living in our country now…now its our problem to deal with.

  • Randolph

    What mother leaves her 2 year old unattended in an urban area for this long? There is no excuse to leave a helpless child alone like this especially in a busy urban area.

    The 18 people are partially to blame for not getting her help sooner but the damage was already done by the mothers negligence.

    PEOPLE WAKE UP AND WATCH YOUR KIDS OR DON’T HAVE THEM!

    • 麵條

      顶！Not much said of the parents in the commentary not only here but on the web as a whole.
      In this case, I’m happy that China has the death sentence. But that said one must embezzle government funds or hack several children to death before the privilege of donating your organs is granted.

    • Tengu

      I agree with you about parental responsibility, but China has no law against leaving children alone, doesn’t change things, but it’s not illegal.

      They would be criminally liable in the U.S.

      • http://google Brandon

        that’s another reason I’m so proud to be an American, Unfortunately, even here in America there are dip shits who do idiotic, careless things like this. unforgivable!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Tengu

          Even the non-dipshit class has its misfortunes. Clapton’s kid flew out a window!

  • Jane

    There is a grave lack of parental responsibility in the peasant to working class societies’ families and most child mortality and abuse happens among this level of society. I think the women’s rights organisations and family planning organisations should put parental education as a priority as well as birth control.

    • 麵條

      我爸是刘冈！

    • http://google Brandon

      perfectly stated and agreed.

  • http://goolge luz

    I think that those men are animals and those people who saw her liying on the floor and didn’t even help her are more animals then the two men I cry and pray that god keep her in his prayer I got kids and This vedio broke my hurt how can they just walk by that baby on the floor and not even help they will all go to hell for what they done were is your heart at she was just a baby I am very upset with them also it one of your people

  • horrified, and hurt

    I’m sorry, but to the person who says don’t judge what would you do? Are you crazy? A baby bleeding at the side of the road, there is no second thought as to what any human SHOULD do! Those who turned a blind eye should be held responsible for part of this poor baby’s murder. I’m shocked, disgusted and ashamed at every single person in this video and those who think otherwise should feel shamed for the rest of their lives. At least they have a life to feel. That poor little girl doesn’t. Judgement day will come for all of those people, I wish I was a fly on the wall that day.

  • simon

    I’m embarrassed for being Chinese. I hope I would stop and help. I wouldn’t want to face my God when my time comes and have to explain to him why I didn’t stop to help. What would I say? Would I say I didn’t want to get involved because I might get trouble or l was late for work? Those bystander will have much to explain to their almighty….

    • Tengu

      The fact that you are thinking this way….you’d help!

    • B

      當然啊! your a human being.

      • http://google Brandon

        don’t be embarrassed about being Chinese my friend, do like Mohandas Gandhi said and “be the change you wish to see in the world” this is the only non violent way we can truly change it.

        • curl of the burl

          Fully dig that!

  • Westener1971

    While my Chinese partner says its typical and consistent of Chinese people these days, ie totally selfish and self-absorbed, I believe it sad more than shocking. Sad because the parents let their little girl slip away from their side so easily and they will forever, rightfully, blame themselves for their negligence. Hope the little girl passed peacefully. :(

  • TraderPaul

    As an overseas Chinese, I am also extremely embarassed by this incident and the apathy of mainland chinese in general. China is still very much a backward nation.

    Interestingly, it appears this “Nanjing Judge” is a very powerful man who is able to single-handedly sway the behaviour of over a billion people. The USA or Russia simply needs to find this judge and pay him 1million RMB (only around 159k USD at today’s exchange rate!) to award damages to a caucasian person dressed as a soldier against a supposed chinese citizen defending his home. Then all of China will never dare attack a foreign soldier, and choose instead to hide under their beds for fear of losing their precious little money in a lawsuit. China will be conquered with little military effort, and there will be no loss of life. Everyone will be happy because the mainland chinese don’t need to worry about any losing money, the foreign “invaders” don’t need to waste any ammunition, and the Nanjing Judge will have an extra 1million RMB for his mistress. Such a marvelous idea indeed for Putin or Obama.

    Seriously, this whole week I have been embarassed to call myself Chinese. I will engage in some random acts of kindness just to ease the shame.

    • Chef Rocco

      TraderPaul, you should be proud of being a Chinese because you are a typical Chinese culturally, feeling ashamed for what a group of Chinese did over thousands miles away is a sign of Chineseness under influence of Chinese shame culture.

      Blaming all mainland Chinese “cowards” is just your tactics to avoid face-loss by clearing yourself out of your Chinese identity. Admit it, you are no difference from most mainland Chinese, according to a Global Time poll, “Would you have helped Yueyue if you had been there?” 88 percent of 8,596 Web users answered positively. If you assume they are lying, I’d assume you are lying too, because you are a Chinese, no way to escape for you.

  • kaye

    Oh shit! I am so afraid for all the chinese people right now, they are so numb, no heart, and obviously, a KILLER!!

    • Just John

      Yes, so since the two year old girl was Chinese, then that means she too must be a killer by your definition? Because any label you put on Chinese people, you also put on the two year old girl, because she is “Chinese”….

      • TraderPaul

        Yes, that’s exactly what Kaye meant. If the two year old had never been in that horrible accident, and grew up just like any other normal, mainland chinese she would not even waste a minute to help a stranger and instead hurry home to count the pennies in her pocket. 99% of people in china are naive, cowardly drones. They simply follow each other like sewer rats.

        • kaye

          Exactly, thats what i am thinking right now and you cant fucking blame me because it is now proven. You chinese people or yeah maybe there is a little percent of chinese there that can really help but it is really hard for me to believe that there are after watching the video. I suggest that all Chinese people cant go anywhere expect in china, just for the safety purposes of other nationality.

          • mr. weiner

            Christ on a crutch..you heard it here first folks…The new great wall of china, designed to keep them all IN. Lets round up any Chinese looking people while we’re at it and send them all back. We can have a bounty system, that will help kickstart our economies…Anual Chinese roundups, the TV rights will sell for squillions!…. Kaye the Chinese bounty hunter! Woohoo!

            Honestly , are you keeping your head up your own arse for the warmth?

          • Tengu

            I like the “crutch”, Jesus Christ, I go to sleep and the fucking place falls apart. I was making friends with “Hong” and I wake up to this shit…

            We can send Michelle Bachman over to work with Kaye. Michelle wants to built two walls across the Mexican American border.
            It’s already being called the “Gillette Wall” The first wall stretches them out, the next one cuts them off clean at the base.

            “…just for the safety purposes of other nationality.” – Kay’e , you’re right, they swarm all over me when I’m there, I pick up my luggage, three seconds later, I’m bludgeoned, bare-assed and penniless..safety is an issue…WTF are you talking about?

            Indifference and violence are separate issues. Walking by as someone tears your liver out is different them ME tearing your liver out.

            1) I am indifferent to the extraction of your liver which makes me “indifferent”.

            2) I am extracting your liver which makes me “violent.”

            Kaye you hump, try walking around the South Bronx, Detroit or even LA. You’ll be in a garage “pulling a train” within 5 minutes, IF they let you live.

            Only wall should be around the institution you’re in where they let you use computers on the weekends.

          • Tengu

            @Kaye, I have one question which is germane to your argument.

            How many times have you been to China?

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  • John Dalton

    Have you lost count of the hit and runs in China this year? And have you lost count of the number of people who watched not only this but other crimes being committed throughout China?

    I have. And I blame an unsophisticated, self-concerned culture of amoral individuals who seek to enrich only themselves at the expense of everyone else.

    Reading through a novel of blame-game comments I think back to other social issues that rot the core of Chinese culture and one of the general facts that I see emerging is that the Chinese people demand a government that will take care of everyone while the people themselves refuse to take care of anyone. All I ever hear is that the government in China is corrupt–this really isn’t the case. The truth is a little harder to admit but the fact is that Chinese culture is corrupt.

    I see this same corrupt characteristic manifest in business when CEO’s sell tainted products which kill people.

    I see the same corrupt characteristic manifest in construction when contractors build unsafe schools that collapse on children.

    I see the same corrupt characteristic manifest in law when one person makes false accusations to get financial gain.

    I see the same corrupt characteristic manifest in the children when they brutally assault and video tape their classmates.

    You fill in the other examples… there are hundreds more.

    Now, as I anticipate the bullshit responses that I’m sure many uneducated but opinionated individuals are going to leave here may I remind everyone that people are dying in China every day as a result of the undeniable cultural corruption I’m identifying as the primary cause of all these problems.

    Get fixed up.

    • TraderPaul

      The mainland chinese population has been conditioned over centuries of dynastic rule and most recently communist rule to be naive and passive. This is by design because a naive and passive citizenry is the easiest to govern. They are unable to stand up and choose their own destiny, and do not question rules or tradition. As an example, they will eat tiger penis or shark fin soup, not because it tastes good or has any nutritional value, but because “it has always been that way.” As a chinese person, I don’t believe the situation will improve for atleast 50 years, perhaps much longer.

      • TraderPaul

        I apologize for the rambling post, but I’d like to add that furthermore, in addition to my tiger penis and shark fin soup examples, the mainland chinese population can easily be conditioned within a generation to eating cockroaches for dinner. They just need to be told (with the assistance of celebrities, teachers, budhist monks, government officials, etc) that eating cockroaches will bring prosperity, virility, and status. They can even be conditioned to paying good money for the privilege. No need for scientific data.

        The chinese are not much different from naive muslims being told that if they commit a suicidal attack in the name of Islam, they will be met in heaven by 72 virgins.

        • John Dalton

          In the 12th century, Chu Hsi made a very good effort to reform the way Chinese people understand their world by trying to teach them how to learn. He wanted people to understand instead of replicate information. Was he successful? To some degree, I think he was. While China is certainly dragging in terms of cultural development, consider the population size–there are many people to transmit new culture to. While “celebrities, teachers, [religious leaders and] government officials” are, to a high degree, responsible for the transmission of culture, we are too. And I think we should work towards that.

          I am optimistic that change in China is currently working and hope that you can see more meaningful developments well within 50 years. And while I hope we don’t have to suffer the kinds of sickening tragedy like the one above I am aware that it will take this and many other lessons like it to change the people.

        • 麵條

          Is that seventy two virgins each, or do they have to share? If not, can one choose his own virgins or are they arbitrarily handed out? I’d hate to to do all the hard work only to end up sharing 72 very ugly virgins. That’s a lot of paper bags.

          • Tengu

            Ans what if it’s 74 guys going up there…someone get’s leftovers.

            BTW – Do they ever specifically state they’re “Female” virgins, I know they’re to be hairless, of porcelain skin and they do not defecate.

            But, what if we wind up 72 cherry Lady Boys from BKK or Manila with their asses up in the air…we can’t leave, that would be rude…

        • Chef Rocco

          @TraitorPaul, now you intruded into my territory of expertise and attacked my favorite menu.

          What are wrong with tiger penis and shark fin soap? Actually whether they taste good and nutritious depends on how you cook them and serve them.

          The real problem here is supply and demand issue, not a cultural or moral issue. Given tigers and sharps are endangered now, i have no problem with laws putting them under protection, no hunting, no cooking, no eating, no money for chefs.

          But you consider Chinese people were stupid and culturally corrupt to eat them? Give me a break! BTW, not just Chinese mainlanders have the tradition.

          • TraderPaul

            Master Chef Rocco…you’re right that it’s not only Chinese mainlanders that have this tradition. Some overseas chinese (older generations usually) and a few other asian cultures still hang on to these traditions, but I am questioning their naivety and ignorance not so much their choice of food. They eat what they are told, and do not ask questions. If they were better critical thinkers and able to make decisions for themselves, then Chinese society would be much more progressive.

          • Tengu

            Happens all over Africa…”bush meat.”

            Even the French have outlawed eating certain birds, you cans till get them.

            Sort of cycles back to the “Whale Killing” article.

            Tradition is hard thing to break, especially when it’s culinary, you can make people recycle faster than you can make them stop eating their “delicacies.”

            That’s like telling the Filipinos to outlaw balut…food traditions are one of the last tangible relics people have with their cultural past and as such are the last to go, they cover so many senses.

            Rocco’s “Surf and Turf” is excellent, Braised Tiger Penis and Shark Fin Soup.

    • mr. weiner

      I’m having flashbacks to my past lives as an American[kunt?]An unsophisticated self-concerned culture of amoral individuals. I’m walking down unpaved streets in my hobnailled boots going to get a tinture of heroin-cough mix for the augh I have from working in that coal mine. The child prostitutes becon at me from the gas lit street corner. Further on I see the beggars made limbless from industrial accidents.I avoid a large steaming pile of horse manure[Paradoxer is that you?] A newspaper blows into my face, ignoring the stories about boarding house fires and advertisments for quack remedies I see the date “1881″ . “Damned Irish” I hear myself mutter in my unsophisticated self-concerned amoral American accent.

      I could end my little satire with “I find no sense in your perspective. Your reasoning is not adequate”, but that would be a bit too harsh. All I’d like to leave you with is perhaps you should take a chill pill mate and lay off the moral bombast. We are the Chinese and they are us[seperated by a few decades perhaps]…

      • John Dalton

        Your description of America over one hundred years ago is an adequate portrayal of “modern” day China. You’ve picked up on the whole point. In that respect, good work.

        On the other hand, you’ve tried to direct our attention away from the rampant cultural corruption that is eating China up from the inside.

        If you cared about China at all, you’d cut the defense mechanism that has been triggered and fix yourself up. Good luck.

        • mr. weiner

          I snorted tea back up through my nose when I was reading this, made me laugh a lot. Could you actually be more pompus and condecending? I doubt it. Nothing I could add can top that last repy, so I’ll exit still giggling like a little girl….[can't resist it]Oh yeah, please get yourself fixed too..in an veterinary way.

          • Tengu

            Have you noticed the amount of knowledge these guys have, we’re learning so much from them and they’re so humble, something to admire!

            Shall I send them some “neuticles” so they don’t wind up with tiny sagging sacs, they may be empty to begin with, someone needs to check….let’s get Rocco, he can do the neutering if there’s anything there.

    • LittleNeko

      Well said John Dalton. Thanks for giving a wider perspective on this:)

    • Boris

      Bullshit response from an uneducated but opinionated individual coming up. You make some valid points, but I can see you making them stood on a podium, shrieking in German waving a flag sporting a swastika. ‘May I remind everyone…’ -hush, the illuminated one is about to speak. Have you heard the expression ‘Anal retention’? Muse on it.

    • mankouzanghua

      wow, what an ass-backwards opinion and painfully futile plan for how to change a society.

      to you, what is rotting china is that people “demand a government that will take care of everyone while the people themselves refuse to take care of anyone.” will you please clarify WTF you are talking about?

      chinese people tend to care about their families and their friends. if someone you work with back home asked you to borrow money to do something, would you give it to them? i don’t think so. they would probably have to go to a bank or other financial INSTITUTION and borrow it. when your parents and grandparents get old, who pays their bills and takes care of them — you, or nursing homes, government aid, and personal savings?

      it seems that you might be the one from an “unsophisticated, self-concerned culture of amoral individuals” who “refuse to take care of anyone”, whose government must continually funnel each person’s narrow self-interest towards the common good. fortunately, you were born where the institutions got close to doing this. fortunately. it doesn’t mean you did anything to accomplish it, that you are any less self-interested than a chinese person, or that you have any qualification for blasting a whole nation of people that you seem to regard as the “stupid natives.”

      • John Dalton

        I agree with you about the Chinese looking out for families and friends but care and concern should really extend beyond that.

  • Calvin Tatsey

    THOSE DIRTY MOTHER FUCKS!!!!!!!

    • Just John

      I fucked your mother, and she liked it.

    • Tengu

      I held her down for him…she liked it..

      • justice

        Now Chinese people know who they are. They place money about all things. They will only come to you if they will benefit from you. Apart from being a family member, they hate responsibilty.
        Everybody is like that

      • Lee-Ann

        Wow… Just John.. Tengu again with the insults towards other people? At least find an insult that would even be worth looking at… These comments are bloody stupid!! Tengu are you for real? Do you not have anything better to do then comment on near enough EVERY comment on here?… I got to admit i think you are quite amusing.. You think what you say people take into account?.. Or then again even READ half the bollocks you write on here? I think not…Do your country a favour go put your head under a train :)

        • Sous Chef Jo

          Okay, how about you take your head out of your behind for a second and realize that they were responding to some guy who just blurted out “dirty mother fucks”. What do you expect the reply to be? The reason a “comment” section exists is so that people can contribute and have other people take into account their opinions on the subject, I see nothing wrong with some actively involving themselves in discussion. If you even bothered to read half of his comments, you’ll realize that they’re not complete bollocks and there’s thought behind what is said. But judging from your comment, it’s clear that you’re just another ignorant person passing holier-than-thou judgements on everything they see. Do YOURSELF a favour and stfu.

  • gulsu

    that was horrible. they all the people heartless machines in china.
    think people..,.,,.,whats wrong…must punished the driver.slute the lady who help the yu yu now she is happy in heaven.

  • Caring American!!!

    For those of you who think there’s nothing wrong with this, maybe it should be you next time, screaming n crying for help, bleeding out n dying, n no one helps you, just walks around. To see an innocent baby bleeding to death and crying in pain and no one help, is the work of the devil, only the devil could not care!! Here in America people would be raged due to this, you people need help, because for them to see this n not care, much less have it bother them, there’s no word for it its so horrible. You all should know what it feels like to be put in that innocent little girls shoes and then see what you would say, or even imagine it being your own child, and no one giving a dam that your child is suffering, and all anyone does is walk by! Dam you people, what the hell is wrong with you!!! You people need help!!

  • Lisa

    All i want to know is, WHERE WAS HER MOTHER AT DURING ALL OF THIS!!!

  • IRA CAIN

    in the first place,, where were yueyue’s parents when the incident happened?? this could have been prevented if the child was given proper guidance..

  • Lee-Ann

    This is DISGUSTING! how in gods name can you animals condole some creature running over a child?!?! If she was a he, 2 or 90 years old this is disgusting. How anyone can walk passed a severely injured child on the floor is beyond me. And then you idiots think you can excuse this?!?! I think that maybe if you all pulled your head out of the clouds you will see this is INHUMANE! And the answer to you questions YES if i saw this poor child on the floor i would of rushed to help! God help you all i hope god has mercy on your souls! None of you who excuse this behavior.. Who ran over her, Drove around her and ignored her dont deserve children. What if this was your child? Would you leave her then?

  • Michele

    I’ve seen a lot of comments explaining the reasons going as far back as the first emperor down to the infamous judge. You all are skirting the real issue. Since I was trying to understand I looked at some articles on this site.
    Ex: Shandong Petitioners Forcibly Sent To Mental Asylum
    Village Woman Crushed Trying To Stop Construction In Henan
    Village Petitioner Crushed Under Truck, Netizens Suspicious and tripped on this:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/06/in-china-corruption-and-unrest-threaten-autocratic-rule/241128/
    (I don’t live anywhere near China so I can indulge in all safety)

    This explains much about Chinese mentality in present day. Unless corruption is addressed I don’t rightly see how anything can change. This is nothing new for you but I didn’t realize how bad it really was.

    Puts on shit… err bullet proof vest.
    Boris can come out now and take a swipe not Tengu he’s a poetic destroyer that hurts.

    • Boris

      I grew up in what psychologists would refer to as a ‘dysfunctional’ environment. You couldn’t pay me enough to return to it. If you think China is worse than the West, you’re either on drugs or on Jesus, or from a very privileged background. Fucking western missionaries! Listening to the horseshit coming from the likes of Myrium, Dalton -the arse sporting the evil haircut and shit-eating grin, and -to a lesser extent- yourself, I want to vomit my intestines to the four corners of the earth.

      • John Dalton

        Boris, you seem to have plenty to say but little to add. Why is that?

        • Boris

          Roger Ramjet,
          Because, in the immortal words of George Clinton, ‘Don’t worry ’bout being right, just be for real’.

      • Chef Rocco

        Be Calm, Boris.

        John Dalton is not a missionary. what he is doing here is just trying to be a doctor to diagnose a patient’s root cause of illness.

        appears to me his theory and judgment is nothing but old and useless. many Chinese themselves have been doing the analysis for over 80-90 years, for instance, Hongjian mentioned Xu Xun, who identified the root problems of China is the cultural characteristics of Chinese people and wants to “reform these characteristics”, even Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek launched a movement of “new life” to change people, not mentioning Mao’s cultural revolution. We have known the results.

        Anyway, we still should thank Dalton for his efforts.

      • myriam

        let me guess, you grew up within one of this ultra religious evangelical right wing christian taliban sects in america ? Glad you made it out. But you should take that as a new opportunity. You obviously was able to get rid of some sort of chains in your life, so please don’t make the mistake trying to create the chaos you came from again and again, it will leads you to nowhere. When i and some of my friends, which in addition to our normal jobs, take care about abused kids which were taken out/saved from what you call “dysfunctional environments”, then we always observe the same: the all somehow feel that they must recreate the chaos they once escaped from. It takes a long time before they understand that and find a way to a “normal” life. Most of the time we are more or less successful, but i do remember special cases were none of us was able to get through to some of them. You show some of the same behavior, but its still better to release some of your hate ad pressure on an internet forum, rather then to become physical violent towards others. Hope you will find a way to yourself and to deal with the burdens you carry with you….

        • Boris

          In your country they let YOU look after abused kids?!?! And you think China’s fucked…..?

          • Boris

            And I beg to differ: it’s better to become physically violent to others than to release some of one’s hate on an internet forum -but it can’t be Christmas every day, so until then… fork off!

          • Chef Rocco

            Good question, Boris. I guess she was abused by these abused kids into believing every Chinese kid was abused who will abuse China into an abused country.

            Sorry for my grammar, I felt abused by reading her lengthy, hateful posts.

          • Tengu

            What the fuck is an Evangelical Christian Taliban Sect…Turbans and Magic underpants?

            No, that would be Mormons, screw it I’m sticking with it.

            I need Rocco’s soup!

      • Michele

        Lol you’re very predictable I whistle , you come running. In the short time I’ve been here I’ve been accused of being a Mother@#$@# drug addicted Jesus freak with a silver spoon in her mouth with western communist tendencies. All of it wrong. I’m feeling very dysfunctional at the moment.
        Plus 8 In penis soups are so rare nobody can afford them much less find them.
        Damn life is hard.

        • Boris

          Glad to oblige! I’ve been described as a Jack Russell with a trouser leg -I can’t let go. If it’s any consolation, I’ve found your comments by far the least offensive of the people I’ve shot verbal broadsides at. You never know… romance could be on the horizon! Just whistle and I’ll be there!

          • Tengu

            “Love is in the air”

        • Tengu

          Well I was just accused of being a “Typical fucking Chinese idiot…” but some nimrod.

          It’s all par for the course, better to be dysfunctional out here, especially when we’ve all been on this since last week.

          I guess you missed “coala banana” and his brief posting career out here, if we’re not too finicky about the species the we harvest the 8 Inch Penis from for Rocco’s famous Soup, we could have snagged his.

          He “inserted” it into every post, don’t bother looking you’ll find nothing of substance in any of his musings.

          We werew all curious just how much nonsense he posted due to the fact he seemd to have a 24 hour cycle, the output was amazing.

          Just John wanted to copy it all into “Word” and get some metrics, I thought the same thing at one point, both of us realized we weren’t that interested, it was more pleasant having him gone.

          Now if you will review past posting on this a article, someone accused myriam of being the new “coala banana”; she responded by stating she reviewed all of his postings…I don’t remember anything after that…credibility goes out the window quickly.

          Rocco has connections we’ll treat you to a bowl of hi “Potent Penis Potage” during the next ChinaSmack Annual picnic.

          Life is hard, but a hell of a lot harder for two parents dealing with the loss of their little girl….it’s all a matter of perspective and I know you weren’t minimizing their grief. loss or pain.

          It’s what I think every day since I read this…my heart aches for two people I don’t know a 1/2 a world away.

          • Michele

            Tengu: My only wish was that they hadn’t watched that video unfortunately I think they did, it was horrible for all of us I can’t fathom the pain they must be going through. It’s enough to go crazy.

            Thanks Boris I’ll remember, that nice article you just wrote JJ very well written.

            I’ve read about Coala Banana lol funny as for the penis potage hmm I think I’ll pass I’m seriously considering becoming a vegetarian.

          • Tengu

            Quite honestly, I wish NONE of us ever had to view the damn thing, but better to know about it than simply have it happen somewhere else and go about blissfully unaware. I can see it dying down in the western media already.

            Her parents will never be the same..that’s a given.,,they’re ghosts of their former selves already.

            If anything at all comes out of this, it may be that most of the who post here and were obsessed with it, were outraged and were truly horrified by the inaction of 18 people passing by a dying girl will themselves think in the future.

            Will the government change, who knows, will the general populace of the world raise the value of another’s life as equal to all others, who knows.

            A guy in Foshan came forth and confessed to being the driver, hE wasn’t, he did it so he could become famous…how fucked is that?

            BUT

            No matter what there are always “Confessors”, just the nature of things, every high profile murder makes them crawl out from the woodwork.

            Sometimes out of a large stream of vitriol, meanderings and generalizations people walk away with a new view.

            I could name at least 15-20 who post here who will never think the same and probably would never have left the girl there even before this was posted.

            Oddly enough, I don’t personally know these people, but after badgering the shit out of each other for long periods of time and following each other, defending each other or having your feet held to the fire by the same bastard you agreed with yesterday, you have a sense of the person, SOME element of truth is eventually revealed.

            People pick up on inconsistent bullshit, the people who post here are some of the brightest, insightful, scariest, most bigoted and humorous people I’ve run into on the web.

            People may say you can hide behind a persona, but this isn’t “Second Life”, this is raw text…the bullshit factor gets revealed.

            Rocco’s working on a “Toffuti Penis Soup” for vegans, but the tips keep falling off, which is causing big problems in the Marketing Department.

        • Tengu

          @ Michele…LOL, so you’re the Turbaned Mormon with the bushy beard and the magic underpants!!!!!!!!!

          I usually read from the bottom up.

          What do I know I’m a “typical fucking Chinese idiot.”

    • Tengu

      What did I do now?

      • Ant b

        Its not just china,its the World that this shit happens everyday,we need to wake up as human beings and be nice to eachother,thats where it starts stop all the madness,dont now how,but we need a total world government where everyone is equal money doesnt matter,this will solve globle poverty and the ritch will be on a level?
        Tengu you didnt do anything Wrong

    • myriam

      sorry but your link, lead to a BS article. A quick look at the picture and it was clear that it doesn’t show mainland china. The picture must have been taken in HK or Macao i guess. The characters are traditional ones, people are dressed differently (on mainland you would see more cheap black shoes with white socks), and the banners should tell you that its very unusual that true mainland protesters could organize themselves to such a degree to make such nice banners, they usually just come together (most of the anyway just bystanders), block the entrance of their factory or create a bit of social unrest by breaking some windows and furniture inside an office. Thats it ! You will not find some sort of organizer or spokesman. Chinese protest always looks helpless and cheap, since none is ready to take over responsibility. This countries problem are not even the leaders, its the small people which sucks. They are as corrupted and dishonest as their leaders. The theory is clearly ” garbage in – garbage out “, or what do you think where their leaders come from ? A wild and fast guess will be, that they come from chinese society, raised by chinese parents, gone through chinese education system and are stuffed with all the famous chinese virtues. The poor and helpless guy in this country is as bad as the rich and powerful guy. Its just more convenient to blame the rich one for ones own incapabilities and incompetence, cause his results are visible. What we will see in the future is that the “china model” will spread throughout the world, which means one asshole is trying to find another asshole who is at least a bit dumber then himself so he can sell him something, cheat him, lie to him, to be able to make some money out of it. It has always been like this, with the difference that chinese brought it to a new heights of shameless behavior. Shame society ? hahahha…from day one here in china i learned that money is number 1 for everyone, number 2 is also money, and number 3 is money and family.

      • Boris

        O, Whore of Babylon,
        -Can’t be bothered to read all your posts to ascertain this information (not that much of a masochist), but you live in China, right? Your day to day existence must be utter purgatory if you hate all Chinese people. What could possibly motivate you to stay?

        • Tengu

          Ever notice when she escalates she just sticks everything in one huge paragraph?

          Did the exorcism work?

          • Boris

            It’s still too early to tell, for the Lord moveth in mysterious ways (kind-of like a crab in zero gravity performing tai chi).

          • Chef Rocco

            Tengu, thanks for mentioning this.

            No wonder when I was reading her comments, my deju vu always was an 8in penis, which I want to use as a substitute in my soup, greener than tiger’s.

          • Lee-Ann

            Do you kiss your mother with that mouth of your Tengu? … Typical fucking Chinese idiot who thinks this is acceptable. What your forgetting is a TWO year old baby was knocked over and people IGNORED her.. Cant you at least keep your babbled bullshit to the right topic?

          • Lee-Ann

            Do you kiss your mother with that mouth of yours Tengu? … Typical fucking Chinese idiot who thinks this is acceptable. What your forgetting is a TWO year old baby was knocked over and people IGNORED her.. Cant you at least keep your babbled bullshit to the right topic?

          • Tengu

            @Lee-Ann – I’ve never seen you witty, pertinent and pithy comments on here before, but welcome.

            I wouldn’t kiss YOU on the mouth with my very tender lips since you seem incapable or simply lack the attention span to read all previous posts before passing down a sentence.

            A quick review of the multiple pages of this article will prove you jumped in here at the last minute and made a snap judgement based on a couple of comments towards the end of the article.

            Some of us have been on this since the beginning, the first day I was so horrified I couldn’t post anything, having a daughter myself, it hit too close to home.

            I would suggest you reviews the history of the article.

            BTW – My mother past away of heart disease in 1976, I was young. She had Diphtheria when she was a little girl and it ruined her heart, I held her hand and heard that breath when she went, but thank you for reminding me of that.

            BUT

            My favorite:
            “Typical fucking Chinese idiot…” – Anyone want in on this one?

            Additionally, you may want to look two posts below at one from “Disgusted”

            Where are you from dear Lee-Ann and how many times have you been subjected to “typical fucking Chinese idiots.”

          • Just John

            Guess she does not know you are an American, and visit China frequently, but do not live there?

            Or maybe you are a ginger spitting alpaca. I can never remember.

            Maybe she should go troll Fauna, since Fauna is Chinese. I want to see that…

        • swatdowg

          I would guess $…
          what do you think?

  • At least I care!

    who cares if ure too busy with ure life? that doesn’t mean ure not gonna help a child whos lying dead and bloody in ure face? are you that blind? and what does that tell ua about ure conscious? don’t call you cold-blooded? why? what the hell do you call yourselves? heroes? how pathetic! just because you live that kind of
    place that doesn’t mean you’re gonna be such fucked up bitch and not care about the otherdms. why not put ureself in her shoes? motherfuckers. did you hear about the news in USA where strangers helped a guy in a car? why cant you be like that? show us ure freaking different so we wont judge you since u dont wanna be judged but based on these people’s stupid actions it can already made us conclude what evil lives in you. this is just so inhuman!

  • Lerv

    Here in North American I once witnessed a highway come to a halt after a dog had fallen out of the back of a truck. There must have been at least 10 cars stopped at the side of the road as bystanders (me included) came to the aid of the dog.

    I imagine this story seems preposterous to some but to most people on this side of the planet coming to the aid of somebody that is hurt is something you do without a second thought.

    Compassion is a basic human feeling. I can only imagine what kind of conditioning *some* Chinese people have experienced in order to make them so “indifferent”

    I am so deeply saddened by this story..

  • McKensy

    What I noticed was that most of the people who walked by the poor thing were men. Men are monsters, I know from my personal family life. Did you see when she was picked up, she wasn’t even moving? If I saw her in the street, I’d pick her up, and call the hospital. I’d probably walk to the hospital myself, even if I am only 13.

  • Ant b

    The most discusting thing ive ever seen in my life,Iam 34 years old and i have never seen such disregard for human life since nagasaKI,These people that walked on by should answer!

  • Nikolodian

    I felt I was going to throw up after the garbage picker lady picked her up. Clearly her body was severely crushed. :s
    I wonder if this kid will make it. If so hopefully she’ll be able to walk and have a pain free life.

    • Tengu

      She died already.

    • amzad hussain

      she could have survived if somebody bothered to do something before the second truck ran over her. this world is fucked up. young and innocent dies just like that and nobody even bothers. its like that all around asia not just china also other parts of the world too. if the driver had his lights on he would have seen the little girl. after the front wheels went over her he stopped but didnt come out to check. i believe when the driver drove off and the back wheels went over the girl thats when the damage was done. what the hell. how would i feel if that was me or you, or who ever it is being run over like that. being run over once, the driver doesnt bother then he runs you over again. then watching another truck coming for you knowing your about to be dead. this was a baby girl its even hard to accept regardless of any other matter. every country is fucked up in its own way. and china is for things like this. all i can say is the girl is a baby, and i hope allah has a place for her in heaven.

  • john

    You people who say it’s not the drivers fault are completely stupid and brainless. Do you know the meaning of the word empathy? Imagine if it was your child, or you? Oh, you can’t even do that because your brain is too small.

    When you drive a car, you have a responsibility for what it does and the damage you cause. If he stopped to help, that would be fine. Instead he hit the girl, understood what he did and then hit her again with the back wheel. For you dumb people out there, if he knew he was hitting her with the back wheel, he knowingly caused injury and or death. This is called MANSLAUGHTER!

    Some of the comments here are some of the most selfish, evil and backward I’ve seen ever posted. You are the people that destroy the world and make it a bad place. We don’t want you to be on this earth..please go! By supporting the driver, you have lost the right to live. You don’t deserve to be a human. You, who support the driver are Mentally sick, you are not well. Please stay in China. Or better still, end your own life now.

  • Disgusted

    Apparently, nothing is going to change too soon in this tragedy. This time its a 5 year old boy…

    “In wake of Yueyue’s passing, another child-death tragedy strikes in Sichuan”

    http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/22/yueyue-child-death-sichuan.php

    Thanks again to Tengu for intial link to post…

    • 麵條

      And such stories reported by the media are but a fraction me thinks. Just how many like stories go unreported because of no witnesses?
      If anything good can come out of this it will be a change in the law whereby people will be obliged to render assistance and are protected against litigation unless at fault. In addition, strict penalties must be legislated to ensure hit and run drivers face criminal charges.
      A survey currently conducted by Tencent clearly indicates that the majority of netizens voluntarily filling out the survey want such laws implemented.
      Nevertheless, those with any knowledge of China will no doubt be aware of the fact that its one thing to legislate and another to implement and enforce.

  • Marco

    as they like to say 多一事不如少一事，until one day that tiny girl be our sister or our daughter. Is not only Chinese society, I saw this also in Spain, but here it seems they are not so ashame to teach u these kind of things 不管你的事

  • http://www.thecapitalinthenorth.blogspot.com jixiang

    See my blog post on this tragic event at http://www.thecapitalinthenorth.blogspot.com

    • Tengu

      Mind if I slap this link on Facebook?

  • Sindy

    I hope this dumb Chinese government do something or new law to protect human and Children. They should of investigate and find all those idiots. Thumps down fucking China and I will not buy anything made by China anymore!! I always thought those people were wierd and this video explained everything

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