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Wow…i couldn’t have asked for a worse interpretation of what i was trying to put across, I live inside Chine FYI so i would be interested in what goes on here, even though i’m a foreigner. Who writes the articles or supplies them is beside the point, what im advocating is that the great firewall of china be taken down so the netizens of china have the freedom to any information they wish.
Blogs and youtube cannot be accessed, there is a lot of information that chinese netizens are unable to access, and is there any good reason for this? They can’t use facebook which further hinders them from making friends outside the sphere of China, why don’t u give me an advantage of doing this?
Your attempt at making a compelling argument becomes moot when you have no idea what you’re talking about, Toudou is one of china’s biggest video hosting sites just like youtube.
Shanzai means imitation or pirated goods, hope that clears it up for you.
I have plenty of chinese friends and my wife is chinese too, the fact that they know me and i know them helps us both to learn from each other, do u see how it works now? I sincerely hope u try to comprehend that i want Chinese netizens to be able to gain more knowledge by having access to it, i was angry at the fact that they are closed off from the outside world, dont be so cynical, its not a good attitude, have faith in your fellow man.

lol ill reply to the rest later but u better ask ur ‘chinese’ wife again what toudou means 土豆 [tǔ dòu] its potato, or havent u ever seen one of those before?

sigh it would seem pointless to get u to change ur mind, comparing a social networking site to communism? seriously? Do you think i care who runs this site, what you need to remember is that fauna runs this site to get people like us to visit it, it isn’t a privilege. Like u said we are all connecting, chinese and non chinese, u know why? This site is in english and those chinese who are capable to communicating in english can share their opinions and also get an idea of how foreigners would think by reading comments. Can you go on a chinese website and do that? NO. English is definitely way easier to learn than chinese and it is a global platform for communication, dont tell me chinese is.
What irks me the most is that you seem to back the goverments decisions to cut access to facebook and such, care actually voicing some favourable outcome this has brought about. I can communicate with Chinese people here because they are interested in learning about me as much as i am interested in learning about them. Lastly stop talking out of ur rear! Please read this for the meaning of shanzai http://digitrends.proferochina.com/index.php/tm/shanzai-in-china/ its sad that ur so called chinese friends and wife dont seem to know these two simple words. peace.

@mankouzanghua – regarding:

that websites like youtube and facebook are blocked is a decision of the government, and as a total outsider it’s absurd for you to even open your mouth about it. it’s the equivalent of some chinese guy going to your country and saying he advocates communism there…

Many thousands of Chinese have been coming to “our” countries now, for many years, to study, to work and to live. If you think many of them have been shy about publicly expressing their anti-western views, then you need to get out more.

Nobody really laughs, or acts condescending, when this happens. At any rate, many people are available to explain why communism has not often been adopted in the west. We ourselves are constantly debating our “internal laws and policies”, and – last time I checked – we don’t have any law or social mores that prevent (gasp) foreigners from participating.

So it would be most diverting to hear you justify the “absurd” label you wantonly apply to Vince’s act of complaining about the Great Firewall.

Even more fascinating (no, really) would be to hear from you what the

people who had a different opinion than me

really told you, so that you stopped being the kind of deluded, absurd fellow that poor Vince is, and became the mankouzanghua chap that you are now.

Specifically: do you think the government policy, of preventing everyone from watching anything at all on youtube, etc., is correct, or do you agree that it is reprehensible, but feel that it is improper for any “total outsider” even to mention the policy, let alone question it?

@PeterScriabin

out of all chinese i’ve met in the US, none have bitched about government policies or tried changing the government. who are these thousands of chinese you claim come (to any country) trying to alter their media systems or political establishments? moreover, anyone who comes and becomes a citizen (and learns the language and culture to become involved in society) has a stake and should say or do whatever they want to try and make change.

if it is a temporary visitor (analogous to vince) who can’t even speak English and is arguing based purely on values, yes, i would find their behavior absurd. the mores against their participation in politics include not allowing them to vote and politicians not giving a rat’s ass if they were to have some complaint. and yes, people would laugh if they continually went on about how things should be like back in china.

when a new immigrant (at least in the US) actually does complain about something, you can’t be serious if you believe people act rationally in response (they’re “on hand to explain things”). in the one relevant instance i can call up right now, a chinese person (an immigrant) got verbally bashed for suggesting that the news media in the US is like a tabloid.

“Even more fascinating (no, really) would be to hear from you…”:

in the course of coming to how i presently feel about censorship and ccp many things i’ve heard from chinese people have influenced me. #1 people are happy to improve their lives through grit and hard work, and the relative stability right now gives them this opportunity. they don’t want bothered with politics if they don’t have to be. if this is the case then who is vince to step in and try stirring things up? #2 i don’t know where you’re from, but at least my democracy is not flawless internally and has created a lot of havoc internationally that we, as voters in a free democracy with free information, should have prevented. #3 what is the alternative to CCP? many chinese don’t want to know right now. they go on and on about development and improvement under the present circumstances. who are we to tell them they’re wrong? #4 愚民政策 ultimately works about as well as “free information flow” does. in any country you need to wade through crap and misinformation; sometimes you can find the truth, sometimes you don’t. in choosing between censorship/state-run media and profit-driven media, chinese aren’t as convinced as westerners that profit driven is superior. the way china does it may help promote stability, which goes back to #1 and #3.

“Specifically: do you think the government policy, of preventing everyone from watching”

i think youtube and facebook are peanuts, and the government’s policies with regard to them specifically don’t mean much to chinese people. how many chinese actually care that they can’t use these?

is it improper for someone who knows next to nothing about china (and can’t even have a conversation with any except ones who speak english) to go on and on about facebook and youtube being blocked? to me, it just doesn’t make any sense. in my opinion, the ultimate reason they don’t have facebook and youtube is not simple, and it’s not our place to decide it’s wrong and should be changed.

also, this mankouzanghua chap is not un-persuadable. give me rational arguments or reasons for what you suggest and they just might convince me.

@ mankouzanghua

I could not see your 9.20am right before posting my 9.24am, else I would not have posted it. I am grateful that you fleshed out your position in much greater depth, because I think people are often puzzled by the conclusions and apparent depth of feeling expressed by western apologists for the Chinese regime.

In some cases we now seem to be saying much the same thing, but in different words.
The people in your #1 and #3 sound like the exceptions in my last paragraph, don’t they (vital interest in the status quo)? And nobody wants to bother anyone, who does not wish to be so bothered, with politics – unless you mean by “politics”, the freedom to see websites that contain keywords on a list written by those at the highest level of aforementioned exception group.

Regarding your first 3 paragraphs, the ground of the argument seems to have shifted as if on tectonic plates. Did I really claim that thousands of Chinese try to alter the media systems or political establishments of other countries? You’d have to show me where I did that, sorry.

Of course, who could dispute with you that immigrants or visitors without political rights cannot participate in politics, or be taken seriously by local politicians – but did Vince somehow give you the impression that that was his aim? To me it sounded like he was letting off steam on Chinasmack. As far as I know it’s tough to get the vote in China, and even the local people often have to go to extraordinary lengths to be taken seriously by any sort of “politician”, even on issues that affect the most basic aspects of their lives and their rights.

Regarding facebook and youtube, I am sorry that you took these references as the sum total of the complaint (“peanuts”, etc.), but you might want to look at the following news story (in Global Times of all places), and be surprised by the depth of feeling within China, against the GFW:
Within three hours, nearly 10,000 Web users left messages for the father of the Great Firewall. Few were complimentary..

@PeterScriabin

i suspect you, vince, and i do agree on a lot of things, the most important of which is never mentioned: we all want chinese people to be able to live fulfilling, productive lives, just like we do.

“Did I really claim that thousands of Chinese try to alter the media systems or political establishments of other countries?”

perhaps i stretched your meaning of “expressing anti-western views” to be a little closer to what i perceive many westerners as doing routinely with regard to china.

“but did Vince somehow give you the impression that that was his aim? To me it sounded like he was letting off steam on Chinasmack.”

the following quote from vince seems like a highly political statement. at least to me, the strength of the language seemed to imply that he believes he is entitled to some kind of political influence in china: “i would like, nay demand that chinese netizens be given the freedom to access any and all information on the net.”

@vince

i’ve seen this video. if, as you imply, this latent oppression is fiery and widespread enough, i believe the chinese laobaixing to be capable of redressing it the way they see fit. maybe one day they will no longer be willing to accept local corruption but will continue to deal with the firewall. these issues, to me, have at least the potential to be looked at and dealt with separately. you’re free to do a wholesale condemnation of the government and the country, but my (offline) experience tells me that this is not the common sentiment of chinese.

as for a lot of people wanting to leave for greener pastures, it is true to a degree. it is a developing country with the largest population in the world — and still an extremely POOR population — and the government implements policies that at times restrict individual mobility, rights, and opportunities for the ostensible “greater good.” even with all this, many people who are doing just OK would not ever want to leave china. my chinese family is an example.

“I have a right to say what i want, its called freedom of speech.”

as far as i know, you have no right to free speech as a foreigner in china. be found to be publicly condemning the chinese government, and see what happens. my guess is you will be deported, even despite all the help you give them in exporting their goods.

“Regarding what PeterScriabin said, you can see i have kindred spirits, you should take your own advice…”

nothing against PeterScriabin, but saying someone else agrees with you means next to nothing. if I asked ten people in the US what the capital of michigan is, most would say it is detroit. but does that make it detroit? (i apologize if you are not from the US – i’m sure PeterScriabin isn’t – and this makes no sense.)

people from many western countries, i believe, are primed from media exposure at home to have certain attitudes and dispositions toward china. it is not surprising that very many condemn the present situation because of the restrictions, corruption, and censorship, and believe they should do everything they can do to change it. even more, it’s not surprising to me that anyone who even suggests weighing reality with its likely alternatives tends to be roundly condemned as wumao.

@ mankouzanghua i agree that we do have the same ideals but i wish you would try not to sound so condescending in your posts, but i guess it was done all in the heat of the moment. I do know a small thing like facebook and youtube do make little difference in the lives of ordinary chinese, but there are those being chinese do advocate change such as this guy…i dont want to have to write his name as who knows whether im being watched, lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11492131 im just trying to say change and freedom of expression are good when done in a non violent manner, if such a harsh punishment is inflicted on an individual like him, dont u think that something smells fishy? A victory even a small one is still a victory, you gotta start somewhere and read this article as well http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/article754812.ece/China-sentences-melamine-activist-to-jail do u think what he was doing warranted such a response? what would you do in that situation? I know what i would deportation be damned.
That aside im going to assume ur american, out of genuine curiosity i would like to know doesnt having facebook blocked bother you? i mean im damn sure u must have friends and family back home so i see facebook as a cost effective and convenient tool for communication with my friends and family, so i would like to know how u manage, waiting to hear from you :P