Hanfu Movement: Cultural Revival or Awkward “Time Travel”?

Chinese Hanfu Revival

The proliferation of “time traveling” in Chinese television shows in recent years has gained popularity especially amongst Chinese youth who yearn for palace intrigue and romance. At the same time, it also reached the point where the state has stepped in to crackdown on the supposedly superstitious and anachronistic themes.

But part of this “time traveling” or traditional revivalism phenomenon in China has roots in the Hanfu movement where those active in the movement sought to bring back Hanfu or traditional Han style clothing to everyday life, not unlike the acceptance of the Japanese Kimono in present times. The revival of Hanfu and traditional rituals has led to divided opinions online, with one side rabidly defending their revival movement and the other side criticizing the corporeality of their movement and arguing that traditional dress is not the panacea to the problems of a spiritual vacuum in China.

From NetEase:

Awkward “time travel”

In recent years, the return to traditional culture/fashion has suddenly become popular. Traditional costumes and etiquettes began to appear in various occasions; whether to show off one’s personality, or to attract attention. However, this resurgence of returning to a nation of etiquettes also brought about many awkward cases of “time travel” [things looking out of place/time or being historically inaccurate, not literal time travel].

China Hanfu Revival

2011 September 1st. The Lizhai Center Elementary School in Dexing city in Jiangxi Province, a hundred first grade elementary school students wore ancient costume and recited the classic Standards for being a Good Pupil with their teachers. The children wore on top of their head a “traditional cap” made out of a disposable cup and chopsticks. In reality, ancient men only bound their hair and wore a cap during the maturation ceremony when they reach age 20.

China Hanfu Revival

2006 February 10th, at Chongqing Gele Mountain Forest Park, Hanfu lovers held a “classic birthday party”, with soda and snacks on the table. The organizer claimed that this is meant to spread the word about Hanfu, with the ultimate goal of reviving ethnic culture and reawaken the nation’s self-esteem and pride.

China Hanfu Revival

2007 April 15th, at the 2006/2007 A1 International Auto Competition opening ceremony in Shanghai, over a hundred youth wore Hanfu and gathered on the race track to hold a ritual ceremony.

China Qing Dynasty Revival

2009 September 1st, at Hangzhou Ziyang Elementary School, over 90 students wore Qing dynasty costumes to participate in an ancient induction ceremony. Afterwards, the school officials received dozens of emails from netizens “protesting against students wearing Qing Dynasty costumes”; the school’s website was also hacked.

China Hanfu Revival

2009 March 29th, at the Nanjing Confucius Temple, the Confucius School students welcomed two “Olympic Vessels” from Beijing, with over 1000 students and teachers holding a grand ceremony to receive the vessels. Those “red scarves” wearing ancient costumes loudly recited poetry to celebrate the arrival of the “Olympic Vessels” to the Confucius School.

China Hanfu Revival

2011 September 6th, at Hangzhou Gongchenqiao Elementary’s “Mingren Academy’s” classics class, teachers and students wore ancient costumes but were using multimedia teaching methods.

China Hanfu Revival

2007 November 16th, Qionghai City in Hainan Province, HNA Group invested 1 million RMB to organize a “harmonious Hainan” traditional Han style wedding for 78 couples.

China Hanfu Revival

2011 April 5th, coinciding with Qingming Festival, a Hanfu enthusiast group arrived at Nanjing Yuhua Martyrs’ Cemetery and put on a performance of “ancient people” paying their respect to revolutionary martyrs.

China Hanfu Revival

2009 August 8th, at Shandong Qufu City Confucius Temple, university students participating in a coming-of-age ceremony wearing Hanfu and traditional cap posing for pictures.

China Hanfu Revival

2011 June 19th. In Jinan City of Shandong province, 30 or so high school graduates followed the ancient “coming of age” rituals. One girl wore traditional Hanfu while wearing cartoon sneakers.

China Hanfu Revival

2011 April 19th, calligraphers from China and abroad gathered at “the mecca of calligraphy” in the Orchid Pavilion at Shaoxing, Zhejiang to reinvigorate themselves in the ways of the ancients among other musings. The calligraphers changed clothes with some still wearing boots and sunglasses.

China Qing Dynasty Revival

2011 October 1st, the first day of the National Week holiday, Shanxi Province Pingyao County party secretary, county leader Wei Mingxi personally acted as a “Qing Dynasty County Magistrate” and led the old town’s “nobility and merchants” along with “other plebs” out of the city gate to welcome visitors.

China Hanfu Revival

2007 March 24th, a Han culture themed restaurant named “Hanfeng Shishe” opened in Beijing, guests wore Hanfu while eating hotpot.

China Hanfu Revival

2007 January 1st, Beijing Chaoyang Court, a Hangfu-wearing city resident confronted a Beijing based newspaper in court in defense of his reputation. On 2006 October 29th, over 20 netizens from the Beijing/Tianjin area gathered at Badachu Monastery wearing Hanfu to participate in a traditional ethnic cultural rite – the coming of age ceremony. The next day a certain media organization in Beijing published an article headlined “Netizens wear Hanfu to park, city residents thinks this performance art is odd”, while on the paper’s related websites the headline “Netizens wears Hanfu to park, waving to others while undressing” was used. The case has already been decided, with the four residents wearing Hanfu losing the case.

China Hanfu Revival

2009 March 30th, the second annual China Zhengzhou Emperor Yan and Huang Cultural Week were held at the Emperor Yan and Huang Plaza located on the banks of the Yellow River scenic area. Students wearing Hanfu sang modern bard Guang Weiran’s “Ode to the Yellow River” at the opening ceremony.

China Hanfu Revival

The night of 2005 October 17th, the ancient city of Xian used “ancient style of entering the city” to welcome the artifacts and archeological experts from the International Council on Monuments and Sites. The hostess girls wore ancient costumes and displayed “chinglish” style banners. The revival of ancient customs has no faults by itself, but in an era where classic learning is diminishing, the awkward sights were also unavoidable.

Comments on Netease:

网易美国网友:

An economic slowdown can be revived at any time, but the disconnect of culture can never be rekindled, so no matter how realistic the clothing is, it can never cover up an empty heart.

qcttewc:

So long as the people still processes dynastic feudal mentality, any progress will be difficult.

interaction8:

A prime example of a shanzhai nation. After seeing Koreans wear hanbok and Japanese wearing kimonos they became jealous and want to join in. Without the continuation of culture, they can only follow the trend, imitate others only to have it backfire, neither fish nor fowl!

网易黑龙江省哈尔滨市网友:

I’ve never seen something so shallow… So the passing down of ancient culture is reflected in the clothing??? So tragic.

翾儿0:

China already lost its core essence, therefore this all looks so strange.

yy9018yy:

Hanfu revivalism is not a return to the past, we are not cosplaying the ancients but rather we want to return Hanfu to everyday life. I hate the fact that of the 56 ethnicities, only the Han ethnicity does not have their own national costume!!! What time travel? Can you please do some research before reporting on Hanfu, lest you want to be the laughingstock of everyone.

德鲁伊是大猫咪:

Han people do not need Hanfu, what they need most is the revival of their spiritual essence and thinking. Or else it will only be empty garbs covering one’s backward, ignorant, blind and empty soul, making them look silly and laughable.

5635941092:

This is another form of singing “Red Songs”. With this, China can be “saved”.

[Red Songs are patriotic Communist Chinese songs that were promoted (and ridiculed) in recent years.]

网易澳大利亚网友:

It has already been 101 years, barbarians still won’t die off, and you can tell from all those people wearing Qing dynasty costumes, what does that it have to do with Hanfu?

The last Han-controlled dynasty was the Ming Dynasty, and this is why after the Xinhai Revolution Sun Yat-sen paid tribute to the Ming Dynasty emperor and not the Qing Dynasty emperor.

网易江苏省南京市网友:

Just a form of culture spending and consumption…

What do you think?

  • http://www.cngizmo.com sugi

    Good for tourism, nothing else !

    • 山炮 ShanPao

      yeah cultural commodification is really good for tourism. Retardation is contagious. Be careful.

  • Curren$y

    Pretty cool man
    Real swag
    too icy

  • Tom Swift

    There is a reason everyone I know in China watches American shows on the internet.

    • Koji Kabuto

      television is the new opium of the people.
      No better opium than the american one!

  • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

    I don’t care if they want to dress up, but I definitely think it shouldn’t be forced on anyone. Forcing students to do it might show them what it’s like, but at the same time it will make them resent it. It’s best to present it as a cool option instead.

    Also, I don’t understand how where fake clothes is a revival of ancient culture. It looks the exact same as cosplay at ComiCon. Unless you really believe in those cultural values, it’s really fake to me.

    OMG!!!! I just realized, they’re chinese hipsters!!!!

    • Chance

      Ok those are not fake clothes. Maybe they are not strictly exactly the same as what Chinese people wore centuries ago, but they existed and were popular. Also, those clothes in ComiCon are largely based on Chinese and Japanese traditional clothes and thats why they look similar.

      It’s okay to be sarcastic, but it’s just plain stupid to be sarcastic when you don’t know anything.

  • mr. weiner

    No sillier than dressing up for pioneer festivals, civil war revivals etc.

  • Bruce Tutty

    All nations do this, revering ancient traditions by bringing them into the modern world. It varies, but is usually positive.

    It’s not about going backwards, but bringing the old back in step with the new, to refresh both.

    Perhaps those who don’t like this should look to the rest of the planet, and realise the human race is more than one country, or one set of beliefs, and that they are all welcome.

  • GodsHammer

    “A prime example of a shanzhai nation. After seeing Koreans wear hanbok and Japanese wearing kimonos they became jealous and want to join in. Without the continuation of culture, they can only follow the trend, imitate others only to have it backfire, neither fish nor fowl!”

    This is what the REAL Chinese think of this cosplay BS.

    • oj

      So it must be silly for Japanese and Koreans to wear old fashion feudal traditional clothes and cling to their ancient culture.

  • typingfromwork

    It’s pretty good, what’s wrong with people wanting to reconnect to the past? Looks kinda silly but so do Renaissance fairs, and people enjoy those so I don’t mind.

    Some of the the Chinese comments think that culture should not be enjoyed in a lighthearted way. To those I say STFU and start enjoying life you sour old cunt.

  • Andras

    Of course everyone wants to imagine they would have been some important person with pretty silk clothes and exciting lives, but reality was that 99% were poor peasants with downtrodden boring lives, minimal education and debts to their mean landlords.

    That is why they had a revolution.

    • Chance

      Sorry to tell you this, but your arrogance is only transcended by your stupidity. China under barbarians’ (Manchu’s and Mongolians’) rule was poor but the real China under the rule of Han emperors were thriving. That’s why people want to bring back the traditional culture and values.
      Don’t forget the revolution was based on the theories from Western culture

      • maja

        could you please define thriving? also, as far as I know China was the richest country in the world well into the 18th century, still the gap between rich and poor was huge.

        (as it is today)

  • Gregory N. Grice

    I wanna comment, but lately it seems as if comments can lead to one being ‘flesh searched’, which I gather means that some will find you and do you physical harm.
    Well, that is one way to quell the tide of individual thought.

    Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection.

    Neal Boortz

    Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/free_speech.html#ixzz1kfcjTeqV

  • donscarletti

    I’ve always wondered why Han delegates to National People’s Political Consultative Congress do not wear hanfu. I always assumed that it was just because western style suits looked cooler.

    • Chance

      Your assumption is wrong. Most people in China now don’t really know Hanfu as traditional dress for Han people. That’s because in about almost 400 years ago when China (Ming Dynasty) was going through a social reform, the Manchus invaded China and forced Chinese people to adopt the stupid ugly Manchurian dress (which is where Qipao comes from). Half of the Chinese population were killed because they refused to wear the barbarians clothes.

  • burntmetal

    It’s about time the hanfu is popularised instead of the qipao. It’s the real traditional Han dress. I always thought hanfu is prettier than qipao anyway.

    So what if they mix the modern with the ancient. Wearing traditional clothing doesn’t entail living in the past. Nobody expects the Japanese and Koreans to give up their technology while wearing kimono/hanbok.

    • donscarletti

      Hanfu is Han ethnic dress, Qipao/Tangzhuang is Chinese national dress and has been for 400 years. Tangzhuang is not Manchu Magua, it is a dress for all Chinese. Qipao also, in its current form does not resemble what was called “Qipao” by the Manchu before Qing, it is also a dress for all Chinese. So I think promoting Hanfu puts one on the same level as the Qing.

      Finally, Qipao in its modern form is infallibly classy, while yet retaining a pretty blatant hint of sexual power and looks better with high heels than bound feet. Hanfu has been left to fallow over the years and has not kept up with advances in tailoring or sexual liberation.

      • mr. weiner

        I like Qipao too, but I don’t think it works well with a pair of knee hight KFM boots which a lot of girls have been wearing this season. Just my opinion, I’m not going to have a Coala Banana bitch about what is and ain’t trashy.
        P.S I think the modern Qipao has been about since the 1920′s yes?

        • donscarletti

          I can’t imagine it would look fantastic with these boots you mention, but In China you will see many pretty girls dressed in ways they shouldn’t. For example I saw a beautiful young lady last week wearing a pair of pantihose on the outside with gusset seams visible. A foolish man will be consumed by the tackiness of her outfit, a wise man will meditate on her shapely figure. In this truth Coala Banana shall not receive enlightenment, for the dao is hidden to him.

          Yes, the contour fitting qipao is about 90 years old, emerging during the early days of the RoC in Shanghai, sort of like the Zhongshan suit appropriates the tangzhuang as well as the lounge suit, the modern qipao also blends the traditional qipao with contemporary 1920s evening gown.

          • mr. wiener

            True, the wise man sees the banana, not the skin.
            As far as men’s fashion the 1920′s were also a treasure trove for chinese men. The baggy legs and jackets look smart on the spare asian guy frame and the long traditional coats with the a fedora hat [shanghai gangsta stye] has never been beat….then there was the long dark midnight of 40 years of
            mao jackets.
            It will take a radical re-cut of Hanfu to live up to the 1920′s
            [shit! We aren't actually agreeing on something are we? Is this going to become a habit?]

      • oj

        The mandarin jacket (tangzhuang) which evolved from unflattering Manchu garments, is one of the ugliest and tackiest outfits ever. Modern day Chinese promote this as their national outfit, showing little sense of aesthetics and not helping their image one bit.

  • Four Eyes

    I live in Scotland, and remember 50 years ago when only the rich could afford traditional Scottish Highland dress (kilt &c). Those who joined a Scottish army regiment had the chance to buy their kilt at a reduced price when they left, but the rest of us just had to do without. It is good to wear these things at formal occasions, dinners, and weddings. A small number of farmers and shepherds wear it in the country, as they find it gives them freedom of movement at work. It is important to keep your traditions going, although one would not wish to go overboard with it. Everything in moderation, as they say. So I think the Hanfu movement is a good thing. If I ever visit China again I shall try to join in, even if it is just traditional black trousers and canvas shoes with white rubber soles.

  • themig

    long live hanfu!!! down with western whities and all darkies!!!exception to australian aborigines

    • mr. weiner

      ….Hmmm , you haven’t been reading “mutant message from down under” by any chance?

    • mmmjello

      …So is that because native Aboriginal dress is wearing no clothes at all?

  • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

    Where the fuck are the conical hats?

  • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

    Why are they drinking out that polluted stream?

    Also those revolutionary martyrs are rolling in their grave knowing they died so these fucktards are going back to feudalism! FEUDALISM!

    I nominate Hongjian to be the Queen of Chinasmack for some Palace Gang I mean Palace Romance know what I mean? I bet that Palace shit was kinky as hell!

  • JustJames

    Dont know why, but when the Japanese or Koreans wear traditional clothing.. it looks nice and classy.

    But these photos of Chinese people wearing traditional clothing looks really cheap and gaudy.

    Maybe there are better examples of Chinese traditional clothing worn by everyday people.

    • donscarletti

      Lin Zhiling in Red Cliff, if you don’t like it you’re gay.

      Classy as a watercress sandwich in a tailored Italian suit. It may interest you to know that she has an absolutely slamming figure too, but you’d never know it when she wears Hanfu. Whether this is classy or just plain wasteful is up to you to decide.

    • Chance

      the hanfu shown in the pictures above is a joke. You can search online and fine the real Hanfu which is much more beautiful.

    • asdf

      There’s an established market for kimono and hanbok. Their traditional clothing is made by professionals, and customers pay hundreds of dollars for each one. In China Hanfu is still struggling for recognition and the few Han culture enthusiasts make them out of curtains, blankets, or any other scrap they can find. The “better examples” only exist in some historically accurate movies/documentaries. Everyday Chinese people don’t have any money or reason to buy “better examples” of an ancient clothing which nobody cares about.

  • E Puff

    How can anyone call these beautiful costumes/clothes backwards? I love the vibrant majestic look of them and they certain beat the westernized rags people are often seen walking around in. Personally, it’s one of the things that attracted me to China’s culture is the old school or “ancient” clothes.

    I really hate that nations think that looking and styling themselves like westerners is more advanced or forward thinking. Poeple give too much value to western culture. if the “core essence” or culture is gone it is because of the cynics and how they think.

    • hess

      shut up nigger

      • E Puff
        • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

          I listened to about 30 seconds of over-melodramatic video that doesn’t apply to black women of today AT ALL….

          Then I switched to the Chris Rock video and was actually impressed.

          It’s not your fault, my white guilt switch has been busted for years, you need to jiggle a bit to the left and push in to flip it… been meaning to get that replaced for a while now.

          • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

            why doesn’t this post under E puff’s comment?? tried 2 times…

            not allowed to reply to her or has the comment been blocked?

            strange…

          • E Puff

            replies are now appearing OVER the post. And that video is not about white people, no one really cares about you or how you feel, or whether you have guilt or hate. No one really cares. Seriously. That video is to say that I DONT give a fuck to some random moron’s comment. It is also to say that black women have been strong enough to endure history so a racial slur is nothing but a fart in the wind.

            BTW, you listened to 30 seconds because you were afraid of white guilt kicking in. that video is not for white appreciation, it is for black admiration. thank you ;)

          • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

            ummmmm…..replies aren’t appearing over, under, beside, inside, etc. anywhere….

            The narcissism coming off you in waves is just unbelievable. Where are you seeing a racial slur against black women? You must have been looking REALLY hard….

            BTW, I listened to about 30 seconds because it was boring, overly-dramatic and passive aggressive enough to make a chinese mother blush. The fact that you expect that I would or should have “white guilt” speaks volumes about your mentality regarding race and racism…..

            Lastly, welcome to CHINAsmack….. Please leave a link to NIGERIAsmack or LIBERIAsmack or CONGOsmack or SOMALIsmack, I’ll be sure to post your link there.

            Now quick, call me a racist cracker whiteboy who deserves a real feel for the intense oppression of the black minority in America (I’m Canadian FYI) today…

          • E Puff

            first of all, I’m not from any of those countries, I’m america and my ancestors have been here for hundreds of years. Further, they are not descendants of any of those countries either. And yes, someone did reply to my message and said “shut up nigger” so of course I posted my response and left it at that.

            Last time I checked, this wasn’t CRACKERSmack either or SearchforChinesePussyontheinternetSMACK either.

          • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

            “Last time I checked, this wasn’t CRACKERSmack either or SearchforChinesePussyontheinternetSMACK either.”

            Somebody’s racism is shining through….

            1) As Mr. Weiner said, don’t feed the troll “themig”. That’s why everyone else skips over his post or most of HongJian’s or dilladonuts posts… Not worth it.

            2) When I posted, there was no comment saying “shut up n*gger”

            3) I didn’t say you were from those countries, merely that the subject matter of the video you posted was. Meaning that if we were on a website that was talking about slavery and abduction from Africa, then it would be a valid point.

            4) Hiding behind the suffering of people who were dead long before your parents were even born is not only weak, but it demeans their memory for your own vain use.

            5) Calling me or someone else a cracker is just as racist as someone calling you a nigger. It’s a show of hate/contempt/disrespect. You’ve sunken to the very level that you were trying to stay above. Oops, I forgot, only Whitey can be racist right?

            6) I don’t see how this website could get me access to any “chinese pussy” even if that was my intent by being here. Instead this was just another more subtle attempt on your part to be racist and propagate the whole “white man/yellow fever” misconception.

            7) Just in case you still don’t understand how ridiculous your comments are, I’m married to a half-Japanese, half-Taiwanese Hong Kong girl, I do business with chinese and Hong Konger business people everyday, I lived in china for 5.5 years and Hong Kong for 2.5 years. I have 2 different websites about china et al. So maybe…… just MAYBE I’m here to discuss/learn about issues pertaining to china…

          • E Puff

            and p.s. you mentioned “white guilt” (something that doesn’t even exist), not me. I just threw it back in your face because you brought it up when no one was talking to you, about you, and the link wasn’t provided for your enjoyment or thought. I replied to ONE person’s post (not sure if it’s been deleted now), and any idiot with eyes could see that as it was still there at the time you decided to throw your 2 cents into the conversation.

          • mr. weiner

            This was in relation to that twit troll “themig” then? Don’t feed the trolls, it encourages them hon.

          • mr. weiner

            Sorry, E Puff, my last question was directed at you. The reply function really is on the fritz today.

          • hess

            shut up again nigger

          • mr. weiner

            Hess. I hope you make a habit of saying that word, because one day you’ll accidently drop that word it in real life and then there will be pain…lots of pain.

          • hess

            mr. weiner, im from northern europe

          • donscarletti

            Hess:

            No, you’re Chinese, this is evident because you just said 我来自北欧 using English words, rather than saying “I come from Scandinavia”, which is what a real Scandinavian would say.

            Peace.

          • mr. weiner

            Hess, do you think I give an airbourne intercourse where you are from?

        • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

          I listened to about 30 seconds of over-melodramatic video that doesn’t apply to black women of today AT ALL….

          Then I switched to the Chris Rock video and was actually impressed.

          It’s not your fault, my white guilt switch has been busted for years, you need to jiggle a bit to the left and push in to flip it… been meaning to get that replaced for a while now.

        • donscarletti

          Part of the beauty of China is that youtube block, 金盾 they call it. Wonderful thing, you wouldn’t believe how many times it has saved me from being rickrolled.

          • E Puff

            what happens when someone in china tries to go to youtube? Does it give them a message saying that it was blocked?

          • donscarletti

            The Great Fire Wall uses a “TCP reset attack” to close connections to banned sites. You will just get a message on your web browser saying “The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading” but no data is actually sent. For other sites that aren’t completely blocked, your computer will receive the first bit of a webpage, but then the connection will be reset as soon as it finds a banned word and that site will reset instantly for the next 15 minutes.

          • E Puff

            thanks don, i was wondering what was up with that. so those of you who are in china now, i’m surprised it allows you to access this site given the nature of some of the comments from chinese and westerners.

        • hess

          donscarletti:
          jadu.. du har inte alla hästar i stallet va? och norra europa =/= skandinavien

          • mr. weiner

            “donscarletti: jadu. you do not have all horses in the stable va? and northern europa=/=skandinavien “.
            Too late to close the stable doors on this horse, I think his wits have already bolted. You have black folk living in Sweden too hess, and I think they’d probably not need any translation of “Nigger”.

          • donscarletti

            If you are Swedish, then I have never seen a Swede with such shitty written English.

            Either way, you remind me of Rudolf Hess, the comical Nazi who hoped Britain would save him from the nasty Russians. The Swedish were in on that limp wristed attempt at Anglo-German peace too. Hess was a weak little bully who liked to beat Jews back in Munich but had no balls for a fight. In the end, true to his nature, while Göring was able to off himself immediately after sentencing, Hess took 40 years to work up the courage to do so. All the while living in a prison of his own where he could only dream of having at least one other inmate to fuck his arse in the shower.

            So, inspired choice of name.

          • hess

            donscarletti:
            whats wrong with my written english? please, enlighten me.
            and the name is an internal joke

      • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

        Whoa! Hess… dude… That is not cool at all. Nor is it witty or funny.

        Just really not even lowest common denominator stuff, it’s just lowest period.

        Join us in the 21st century eh?

        • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

          I love having to verify my e-mail for Every. Fucking. Comment. I. Make…….

          Especially when a bunch of cock-smears can be as racist as possible, talking about glorious genocide or troll people all the time.

          Really makes me respect the moderation here…………

          @ Mr. Weiner: Have you ever tried to have airborne intercourse directed to a mobile pastry moving downhill? Expert level…

          • mr. weiner

            Sounds like bestiality, Sadism and necrophillia, but that would be flogging a dead horse.
            Don’t sweat the moderation thing, happens to me all the time too. I thinks it’s a glitch.

          • anon

            I don’t think you whining like a self-entitled brat making snide comments about the moderators is going to help your case.

            And how do you know those other people aren’t being moderated as well? How can you tell who is moderated and who isn’t?

          • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

            Oh thank GOD!!! Anon has arrived to explain what’s what and put everything in the right place. Without puffed up self-righteous prigs like that, the world would just collapse into complete anarchy.

            I sure hope that Captain Obnoxious can be there to always swoop in and save the day.

            @ Mr. Wiener: I think… I … may have fallen in love with you a little bit… Don’t tell my wife, let’s keep this forbidden love to ourselves.

            @ Hess: I love Google Translate as well, too bad that it sucks when it comes to full sentences…. And you’re still a racist scumbag.

          • anon

            Elijah, you’re whining, and whining unproductively at that. You hate having to verify your email for every comment you make and what do you do about it? Instead of emailing the site’s moderators as instructed in the comment policy, you go ahead and make another comment this time complaining about having to verify your email for each comment you make thereby resulting in yet another comment you have to verify your email for.

            Again, why do you think you’re special and no one else is being moderated? Have you read the comment policy you violated and were moderated for? Or do you just go straight to publicly whining and making snide insults?

          • PeterScriabin

            @anon Jan 30 6:08am: Elijah called you a

            puffed up self-righteous prig

            . What’s snide about that? It seems admirably direct, not to mention appropriate.

            As in other threads, your posts, in this thread, make a host of unwarranted assumptions and assertions that seem merely to reflect your own biases. Check it out. Seriously.

          • anon

            Not surprised that you’d chime in, PeterScriabin. If you read carefully, you’ll notice I didn’t say he was “snidely” insulting me. I said he was making a “snide comment” and then “snide insults” about the moderators.

            Simply asserting that what I say is unwarranted doesn’t make it so. But if you tell a lie enough times… some people will believe them, right? You ever notice that you NEVER actually go on to back up the things you say about what I say, here or in other threads?

            For example, what assumptions and assertions have I made are “unwarranted” in this thread? That Elijah is a self-entitled brat for whining about being moderated because he violated the comment policy? That he made snide comments about the moderators with “Really makes me respect the moderation here…”? That Elijah thinks he’s special when he assumes other people aren’t moderated when he can’t possibly know? That doing the very thing that results in something one doesn’t like is arguably “unproductive”?

            Check it out. Seriously. But more importantly, have some principles, man.

          • PeterScriabin

            @anon Jan 30 5:35 pm states:

            I said he was making a “snide comment” and then “snide insults” about the moderators.

            No, you didn’t! But you have clarified it now, and I do agree that, this time, I didn’t pick the best place to express an irritation with you that I think many here (?) have so often felt.

            What irritation? Well, I can only speak for myself, but I think it’s that you constantly set yourself up as the defender of this site and the arbiter of others’ posts, wading in to instruct and insult them as if you thought you were something or someone very special.

            And never one word where ten will do.

          • anon

            PeterScriabin, again, read more carefully:

            I don’t think you whining like a self-entitled brat making snide comments about the moderators is going to help your case.

            I am, for the most part, a defender of this site and I don’t make any apologies for it. I support what this site is about and what the people behind it do for all of us. However, if you read carefully, I’ve often been critical as well.

            I can also be accused of arbiting other people’s posts. But really now, who isn’t? This is a comments section. We’re engaging in discussion. Other people share their opinions and how they read each other’s comments, and I do likewise. People disagree with me just as I disagree with others.

            What you’re upset about is that I’ve disagreed with you and people you identify with. I’m not going to apologize for that because people disagree with me and people I identify with. I irritate you as much as others irritate me.

            I’m neither the most verbose commenter nor the least. When I respond, I have the duty to read what others say and I have a duty to myself to communicate my perspective as accurately as I can. Would you have preferred if I just called Elijah a self-entitled brat, keeping it short, instead of going on to explain why I felt that way? That’s a level of conversation I’m not interested in.

          • hess

            Elijah:
            are you saying that i used google translate for my swedish?

            dumma fanskap

  • http://www.matthewsawtell.com Matthew A. Sawtell

    Hm… in other countries, you have an acknowledgement of events about a couple or so decades ago, recycling fashions and what not – but folks in P.R. China seem to peer back a wee bit farther (say by a couple of centuries). Then again, given some of the more colorful events of the ’70s – the colorful displays and odd bit of theatre is better alternative.

  • Xiongmao

    I think it’s pretty cool. I hear it’s not uncommon to dress up in US style garments with robe and hat for graduation these days, I think that’s a lot weirder. Would be much better for the students to dress up in Hanfu or their minority clothing. I see no harm in this and to be perfectly honest, I think this looks much better than wearing a western style suit which seems to have become the standard wear for modern China.

  • Hongjian

    Those commentators talking about the Hanfu movement being ‘hollow’, a facade and cosplay faggotry arent that wrong, but also arent that right to begin with, seeing their conclusion of the why.

    Seeing Chinese people being dressed in Hanfu or even Qipao looking cheap ass and shitty, isnt because these things are possibly made cheaply or anything, it is because it lacks the spirit the Japanese with their Kimonos for example present.

    Similiarily; a warrior shouldnt carry a sword just for show. He must be capable and willing to fight and behead people with it, or leave it altogether. Anything below that level is just cultural disneyland and exactly how americunts and whites wish to see China: A harmless cultural disneyland, not capable to be a real competitor, rival and a real sovereign country that can say No to them. Just like Thailand or the Phillipines, where they could travel to fuck little children for ten bucks, while the people treat them in a friendly and polite fashion, reminiscent of late-colonial submission, reinforcing their believe of indisputable white and western superiority, where everything non-western is degraded to being a harmless, nonthreatening cultural disneyland directly out of orientalist hollywood flicks, where the people only exist to serve their white master’s interests and pleasures, or to quench their thirst for exotics born out of their own boredom.

    And this is the rotten core that lies within the Hanfu movement’s inherently good intentions and the shit what lies within the half-true criticism of the hipster Hanhan-wannabe netizens: This movement may not solve the “inherent problem that China lost it’s core culture”, but is that actually China’s inherent problem as claimed?
    I say no. It isnt.
    China’s problem is its giant inferiority complex born out of a century and more full with defeat, incursions, national shame, destruction and poverty, that make Chinese people see every attempt at reviving ‘glorious old culture’ as a cheap means of PR and generating consumption. Chinese people will NEVER proudly wear their traditional clothes like the Japs, before they havent filled this hole in the national consciousness with the blood of those who caused this inferiority complex to begin with: The europeans and their fat offsprings; the americunts.
    Just look how Japan overcame their’s: After Adm. Perry forcefully opened up Japan to outside trade, not very unlike they did with China (just less destructive), the Japanese initiated the Meiji Restauration, which was pretty much inferiority complex incarnate, by importing and copying everything western down to their clothing, hair-style and beards, while banning and bashing everything traditional japanese as being inferior. This state-sanctioned cultural revolution propelled the Japanese into the stage of being an exact carbon copy of a western industrial imperialist power. But their rediscovery of traditional culture began much later: The first signs of a revival of the culture came when they found out that the whites arent all that strong and invincible as believed before after they decisively won the Russo-Japanese War by a far margin, and then during WWII, out of nationalistic tendencies. Only then, the Kimono, the Samurai and all that shit rose in fame and social standing again vs. the imported western crap, that was hailed as undeniably superior before.
    So, with the blood of their former superiors and the destruction of the narrative that only western and white culture prevails, the Japanese “charged” their traditional culture with the “face” it has today, that it has a high societal standing and “looks classy” even if it is worn by a fucking fishfaced ugly jap with teeth worse than a alcoholic britfag: They cleaned the stain of weakness and defeat from their traditional culture by fucking killing white people on the battlefields, shoving their previous colonial arrogance and superiority back into their throats with bayonets.

    China must do the same, if the Hanfu movement wishes to establish the Hanfu or other traditional attires into the mainstream society. Now, the Hanfu only reeks of mold and backwardness, cultural disneyland at best, while the Qipao, as sexualized as it is, reeks even worse: Of defeat, humiliation, being a comfort women and sex slave to the Japs and the western colonial concessionals and being inferior to the western world and to the japs in every possible way.

    From the students of the May 4th movement 1919, over Lu Xun, Sun Yat Sen, CKS and Mao, to the KMT and CCP affiliated who intepreted the intellectual streams of this movements in their own way; all who questioned about why China was so weak and humiliated by hairy fucking babarians and their japshit imperialist copycats, noone thought of the most direct way to return China back to ancient glory and self-confidence: It is not the cultural revolution, like Lu Xun and Mao thought of renewing China by destroying the traditional culture that caused China’s weakness and defeat. It also isnt the blind importation of Christianity and Democracy, as that giant idiot Sun Yat Sen thought of being the answer to the question but only caused fractionism and warlordism. It also isnt the capitalist pursuit of China today, that will fill the void and strenghten China spiritually, since money and strong economy through exporting cheap shit will only make you a slave at worst and a jew at best, not a respected and feared nation your own people can be proud of.

    No. What China needs is a real catharsis, a cataclymic war against those who humiliated her in the past. Against those, who spilled the stain of defeat and shame onto her traditional culture and national conscience. Against those, who caused the inferiority complex, to begin with.
    Only when Chinese soldiers are raiding Paris, London and Washington, burning the Elysee, the White house, the Westminster eye for an eye, while carving out colonial concessions in their harbour cities and killing their people and soldiers en masse, China can be proud of the Hanfu and the Qipao once again. For these arent the clothes of dirty slaves and coolies anymore, but the attire of fierce warriors and unforgiving people, who cleaned the stain of humiliation with the flowing blood of americunts and white trash.

    But before anything like that is accomplished, the Hanfu will always be a cheap and shitty looking piece of cloth worn by skinny geeky looking offsprings of a defeated people whose traditional culture is synonymous to weakness.

    I’d rather take the Mao-suit. Since in that attire, at least, Chinese soldiers killed thousands of americunts in Korea, while with a Qipao, Chinese people where ony taken as slaves and coolies.

    • mr. weiner

      Always interesting to skim through one of your rants comrade Honk. This one was an A+.
      You obviously picked up a lot in your time with the bundesweir. But didn’t you stand out a bit at the skinhead rallies?
      I think perhaps china has missed the boat as far as being the unforgiving and mean lean hardened warriors of world domination. That was more last generation. The future will certainly be dominated by China, but it’s going to look more like the fat kid in school who steals everyone else’s pudding….and they’ll be doing it in Prada and Hugo Boss.
      Speaking of costumes your pantomime persona is fantastic! Look forward to you next instalment.

      • donscarletti

        For what it’s worth, Hugo Boss has been the clothing of choice for genocide since Hugo Boss was just a guy with a sewing machine. He did a damn good job on those SS uniforms though.

        So Hongjian is from Germany? You’re kidding me, I thought he was from Vancouver or something. Going on about the oppression by “Americunts” while those around him were the people who not only encouraged soldiers to rape Chinese women during the 8 nations alliance, but bayoneted the women when they had finished. The US forces (as well as the British and even Japanese) were ordered not to rape and the indemnity they got off Qing was spent building Qinghua university.

        Hongjian: Please consider using this as your picture. It is Jiang Weiguo looking very handsome in Wehrmacht uniform.

        • Hongjian

          Germany is also one of the worst shitholes in their relation with China.

          Preachy assholes and self-important moralist apostles, supporting both Tibetan and Xinjiang seperatists (their main headquarter is in Munich). Reading the official German foreign news agency Deutsche Welle’s absolutely biased reporting about China makes me want to vomit.

          German faggots have it coming… First, China must rape their economy, then rape their people while a general secretary of the CCP is broadcasting a Hun-speech about the Yellow peril.

          • E Puff

            HongJian, do you think that your anger toward the west is really displaced anger toward the Chinese government? Think about it. What if, your dream were to unfold. China violently guts the U.S., and all the western nations. Genoicide occurs and your thirst for blood has been quenched. Do you really think China will become happy? That the people will feel free, powerful, and redeemed? No. It won’t . Because the government will still have its boot on the neck of it’s people, and the dignity will always be lost until they stop trying to control every facet of the people;’s lives.

          • Hongjian

            And If China becomes democratic, do you think it will suddently stop needing ressources, crude oil and agricultural land in Africa to feed its population?
            Do you think the western world would suddently accept and cede superiority to China, retreating themselves back from the oil-fields of the middle east and africa, so that China now can exploit it all?
            Do you think that earth natural riches will suddently multiply and become ample and available for all nations and people, just the day after China turned western democratic?

            If yes, you are a faggot, idiot and delusional shithead.

            China will still consume more resources than the world has, the USA will still contain China because of it, and you western shitheads will still spew your anti-Chinese propaganda to support amerifat with their containment policy.

            Not because Chinese are ‘evil’ anymore, but because they exist and take away their living space on this tiny little planet.

            War is inevitable. No matter if democracy or autocracy. Cooperation is only possible to the extent to kill off a strong one together, until in the end, the allies turn onto each other, since the resources wont get more, but less.

            You are a delusional idiot by believing the inherent zero-sum nature of human dynamics can be off-set by a simple regime change and human rights.

            What human rights do you want to grand the average Zhou on Guangzhou’s streets, when world’s resources is so few, that even you westener must starve?
            I guess you fake-idealistic faggots are the first to resort to cannibalism, if anything. Then you’ll have more than a boot in your neck. Amnesty International cannot solve the death of humanity.

          • mr. weiner

            Bravisimo! Bravisimo! Comrade Honk your trolling is approaching the region of art. You lead the conversation arround by it’s nose from a chinese style mongol invasion of the world to it’s most ilogical conclusion: cannibalism. I hope you’re not considering eating any weiner, sausage makers will be indespecible in your Hobsian new world order. All that time spent at on-line gaming has not been wasted. Most of us were just thinking about what to do when the cannibal zombies come. You would have us become them.
            I bow at the feet of the master. Your BS is the stuff of legends.[life became so much simpler once I stopped taking you seriously. Thanks for the heads up Anon]

          • anon

            You’re welcome, mr. weiner.

            My point though is that if you’re going to bother reading Hongjian’s comments, its more productive and better for your blood-pressure to look past his obvious baiting and see the real points he’s making, which aren’t without their insights, and they’re insights that are far more sophisticated and nuanced than most of the shallow lip service a lot of other people post here.

            I expect everyone to be REALLY put off by Hongjian initially (because he is indeed offensive), but if that person can’t get past it over time, especially after he starts dropping patently absurd shit like “Chinese military shovel”, then it starts to say something about that person. If you don’t automatically laugh when reading that (or any of the other over-the-top hilarity he often includes), then… At some point, you have to have to develop the ability to discern a ruse. You can’t survive the real world without it, much less the internet.

    • E Puff

      HongJian, well written and very well thought out. I was with you until you wrote this:

      “Chinese people will NEVER proudly wear their traditional clothes like the Japs, before they havent filled this hole in the national consciousness with the blood of those who caused this inferiority complex to begin with: The europeans and their fat offsprings; the americunts.”

      I’m going to leave you with two points. China is already kicking America’s ass — no need to spill blood because China is hitting America where it hurts. It is winning the economic war. Everything we pick up in America has “MADE IN CHINA” written on it. EVERYTHING. So when an American person declares that having all of our goods made in china is keeping americans from getting jobs and causing poverty – they are right. When they complain that america doesn’t make anything anymore and people have lost their ability to manufacture because they lost the skill – China is hitting america where it hurts. You can’t hurt a white man with violence because he has the means to strike back with bigger equipment. You destroy him economically and you have destroyed his self esteem and his sense of worth. Without money, white people feel like they are nothing. So many kill themselves when they lose jobs or when they begin to have financial problems. Some even resorting to killing their families in the process. America imports about 54 billion products to china. Whereas China is importing 500 billion into america. Corporations have sent jobs overseas to the chinese who will work for a fraction of what americans earn, thus resulting in lost revenue around the country. Americans are pissed about it. During the slavery era, southern whites lost the war because their economy collapsed. America’s economy has already collapsed and we are currently INDEBTED to china by more than 1 TRILLION dollars that they loaned to the United States. This is why America is too afraid to challenge China on anything. If the Chinese demand their money back, our entire system will collapse. I can’t look around my house without seeing a single item without “made in china” on it. Tell me, who’s getting their revenge?

      • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

        whoa. Both of you live in fantasy land. I’m really tired but just a few things that come to mind:

        -something about it’s the bank’s problem when they loan you billions of dollars.

        -THE FUCKING ELITES. The US is still where the really smart motherfuckers are. Where true innovations can still be had. China still has some ways to catch up (China has not shown herself to be a place of real revolutionary stuff). It still yet to be seen what will happen in the next 50 years. It could be the US and “the west” will continue down the path of true *revolutionary* innovations, ie. coming up with the next thing that solves the fucking problems…. Getting closer and closer to the singularity and TYPE I civilization….

        -US is still a top manufacturing country.

        -”The West” I don’t care what you say there is reason why people can refer to “The West.” They will look out for each other’s interest against the others, ultimately.

        -The FUCKING ELITES. I mean the real motherfuckers who owns you. Those guys. The behind the scene guys. WHO ARE THEY? It’s one giant game to them. The people with the real power that can start a real world war against you. (It may all just be paranoia on my part).

        -The fucking elites. Or maybe it’s the other way around. The empire is crashing. Who knows.

        • E Puff

          “-US is still a top manufacturing country.”

          Bullshit! America is not even close to being a top manufacturing country and any american who comes here to this forum could tell you that. Of course there are a few manufacturing plants left, and I mean a few. America is in the business of creating debt. That’s where it’s wealth comes from, imaginary commodity which is americans buying goods with funds they don’t have. From the time students are in college, they receive free credit cards, which they then use to care for their everyday needs as college is and can be expensive. by the time most of those kids graduate, they are already 50,000 USD – 100,000 USD in debt from student loans and credit cards. This is what moves the economy in this country. All of our manufacturing jobs go to China and most (not all) of our telecommunication jobs go to India where they can pay some person $200 a month as opposed to $3,000+ a month in the US.

          Read about america’s financial debt to china. It is a constant debate among our politicians and citizens. American has lost 2.5 million manufacturing jobs and 800,000 information jobs (like telecommunications):

          http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/12/us-usa-china-ipad-idUSTRE79B52Y20111012

          http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseconomy/exportingamerica/outsourcing_problems.cfm

          The U.S. government also borrowed more than a trillion dollars from China. APparently, your country has money to throw around.

          • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

            I said top in what manufacturing. If you are making fire extinguishers, you are probably in trouble. But instead if you make flight avionics, you are about at the top in what you do. Telecommunication jobs? Depends on what exactly that you do. I’m not saying there isn’t any problem. Because the idea was that the US would move to a service industry and outsource outdated jobs and right now it looks this it may not have been such a good idea; but all the corps really care about is maximizing their profits.

            I don’t know about all this. I’m sort of oblivious to it all at the moment. The hope is the US will keep on innovating right? but I also hear people complain about the anti-intellectualism in the US and how it’s going to drag the entire thing down.

          • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

            BUt Hongjian definitely needs to lay off the meth. All he does is get mad on the internet. Where exactly does he fit in the equation? What the hell is he doing?

          • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

            LMAO. What Hongjian needs to really do is stop talking and raise himself an army, airforce, and navy.

          • E Puff

            America doesn’t even make its own airplane equipment, it’s cars are made in Japan with the exception of a small location or two elsewhere. The parts are made overseas and then shipped to U.S. where the rest is assembled by A mericans, but in most cases all of it is made elsewhere. America is good at IDEAS and overseeing its execution. They are not good at sitting down and getting their hands dirty which is bad because we are losing knowledge.

        • E Puff

          Here is another article about China buying America’s debt, and acting as an investor:

          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/business/china-largest-holder-of-us-debt-remains-tied-to-treasuries.html?pagewanted=all

          Here is some of the article if you cannot access:

          SHANGHAI — However grim Washington’s debt and deficit negotiations may seem to Americans, the impasse is nearly as disturbing for China.

          Multimedia

          America’s Foreign Creditors

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          As the United States’ biggest foreign creditor — holding an estimated $1.5 trillion in American government debt — China has been a vocal critic of what it considers Washington’s politicized profligacy.

          “We hope that the U.S. government adopts responsible policies and measures to guarantee the interests of investors,” Hong Lei, a foreign ministry spokesman, said at a news conference late last week.

          Beijing might prefer to respond by starting to dump some of its American debt. But in this financial version of the cold war, analysts say, both sides fear mutually assured destruction.

          One reason the United States would want to avoid defaulting on its debt is that such a move could alienate China, which is a steady purchaser of Treasury bonds. Beijing, meanwhile, already has too much invested in American debt to do much more but continue to buy, hold and grumble.

          It is the ultimate “too big to fail” global relationship, said Andy Rothman, an analyst in Shanghai for the investment bank CLSA.

          If Beijing even hinted that it might try to sell part of its American debt, “other countries might sell their dollar assets,” Mr. Rothman said, noting that this would drive down the value of China’s holdings. “It would be financial suicide for China.”

          China got into this situation, experts say, by indulging its own economic interests. To bolster what has become the world’s largest export economy, China has focused on policies that encourage domestic savings and hold down the value of its currency. The result: huge trade and current-account surpluses. China has accumulated more than $3 trillion in foreign currency reserves, far more than any other nation.

          Most of those reserves are held in dollars, and recycled back to the United States through investments in Treasury bonds and other dollar-denominated securities — even stocks. And while some of China’s foreign exchange reserves are plowed into European and Japanese debt, those bond markets are not big or liquid enough to absorb the bulk of China’s ever-larger foreign holdings.

          • Boris

            E Puff -thanks for taking the time to write that out. It’s answered a couple of questions I had going round my head. Cheers!

      • Guangjoe

        @Epuff-”America’s economy has already collapsed and we are currently INDEBTED to china by more than 1 TRILLION dollars that they loaned to the United States. This is why America is too afraid to challenge China on anything. If the Chinese demand their money back, our entire system will collapse.”

        This is not true at all. It’s called defaulting on debt, and the entire economy in the US wouldn’t collapse…although China’s economy would…. That’s the whole joke. You think America didn’t see this one coming a long time ago??

        It’s like you giving me 1 trillion dollars and I give you a lot of napkin I.O.U’s

      • Hongjian

        This is why I wrote:

        ” It also isnt the capitalist pursuit of China today, that will fill the void and strenghten China spiritually, since money and strong economy through exporting cheap shit will only make you a slave at worst and a jew at best, not a respected and feared nation your own people can be proud of.”

        Economic strenght and ‘owning the US’ wont ever wash clean China’s soiled national conciousness. Well, they can be a replacement to the jews, by owning the US, but this will only earn them even more disrespect, since in the human world and in human history, there wasnt one instance where merchant-people and economic savvy social classes were ever valued in any way above the warrior-classes. Even today, in our financial dominated world, if the OWS movements and the inherent socialist tendencies of western europe show anything, economic savvy is still universally disrespected.

        What China needs is to earn herself not respect, but plain fear by real physical accomplishments. And I’m not talking about the faggot Olympics, where purpose-made Chinese athlets who cant do any shit beside what they’ve excercised ad nauseam since childhood and are pretty much athletic cripples, winning one gold after another for China. Letting sport cripples compete with other sport cripples isnt an achievement, and actually soils the very idea behind sports and the olympics, that ancient greeks invented to train their general population with warfighting skills (the disciplines: spear-throwing, discus-throwing, stone-throwing, running, wrestling etc. attest to that).
        No, China must attain accomplishments by plain old violence, like in acient times where man gauged the strenght of a people by the skulls on the spikes before the town walls.

        Economic domination should only be the preparation to achieve above mentioned much easier, but shall never be the end-game.
        Only by killing and pillaging, a people can earn fear and respect from their foes, and more importantly; pride and self-esteem by the own people.
        No Chinese people wish to be the eternal jew, even if they can dominate the americunts and the western world. Hell, even the jews are manlier and actually drive out with their Merkava’s to kill brown people and their kids, which earn them fear and respect from their own and from the other people. And even during the Holocaust, the jews of Warshaw attempted a brave uprising agaisnt the Nazis, even if all odds were stacked agaisnt them.
        So, it seems that only the Chinese will be pure jews, cowards and sheeples forever. China will never drive out with their Type 99s and kill white people and their kids, Chinese people never attempted an uprising in Nanjing but only waited for their death at the hands of the sadistic japs like meek and retarded cattle that they are, and China would probably never just throw away all reason and go watch the world burn, like real manly proud warriors would.

        But instead, Chinese people will be the eternal jews of pre WWII stage, priding themselves over the stupid accomplishment that they managed to own ameirfats, instead of killing them.

        • Guangjoe

          I hate to admit it but you got to give credit where credit is due….

          Dog eat dog world. Why not..

          • donscarletti

            Wow.

            It just shows how far Chinasmack commenters have departed from sanity that right here and now, people are agreeing that the best course of action is a gigantic trans-pacific (presumably nuclear) world war.

            All this so China can simultaneously solve its national pride problem, and quite possibly its overpopulation problem too.

        • E Puff

          “Economic strenght and ‘owning the US’ wont ever wash clean China’s soiled national conciousness.”

          China’s soiled national consciousness, national depression, or eternal sadness is caused by one thing. The laws forbading them to have their own ideas and pursuits. They have had their voices snatched from their throats. How can Chinese people show their brilliance and talent if ideas are perceived as being an enemy of the state?

          I am not an expert on China, so please feel free to correct me where I am uninformed. China’s government is afraid of its own people and their potential so it keeps them oppressed to preserve their ideas and preserve their power. Part of how it evolved was in response to the foreign powers plundering the country and China uniformly trying to protect itself itself over the years.

          What you don’t realize is that Americans already hold Chinese people in high esteem. They come here and they excel at everything. So it’s only chinese people who perceive themselves as not being of value.

          You mentioned Israel. Israel is nothing without the foreign powers p rotecting it. The reason why Arabs started hating america, was because every time israel shelled or exploded an arab, “made in the usa” was on the bullet or the explosive. They knew that america was supplying israel with the tools it needed to oppress them. These people have been fighting for that territory for thousands of years. Sometimes arabs were in control, sometimes Jewish and Christians have been in control of that region on and off for thousands of years. There will always be a problem there.

          Like Arabs, what has bloodshed done for them but kill more of there people? They have gone after america, and americans still think of them as a joke. They have less respect internationally and their atrocious crimes against women have been exposed for the world to see. Being violent has only brought them more shame, whereas, before 9/11 everyone in the general population of America was against israel’s crimes and supporting the arab. that of course, changed after our country was attacked.

    • Koji Kabuto

      though a little aggressive, still a big thumps up, Hongjian!

    • pervertt

      Some thoughtful comments there Hongian.

      Wearing the hanfu reflects the cultural cringe that many Chinese seem to display when dealing with the outside world. Anything that comes from the west is good, anything that is identifiably Chinese can never be as good. This may eventually change as China becomes more confident and assertive in defining its place in the world. But for the time being, most of us have become accustomed to the sight of Chinese picking iPhones, Toyotas and French wines over the local equivalent.

      For a national costume, though, you could do a lot worse than hanfu. A qipao looks awful unless the woman wearing it has a svelte figure, and the changpao worn by men looks like a woman’s dress (to my eyes anyway). A Mao suit reminds many of a period most Chinese would rather forget.

      The hanfu wins by default. Wear it with pride. And you don’t have to invade another country to do so.

      • Hongjian

        No. Hanfu and Qipao are loser’s dresses.

        As long as Chinese people wont kill people superior to them while wearing these dresses, they will stay loser’s dresses no matter how modernized and fashionable they may become.

        Just read again what I’ve written about the Japanese and how they have re-discovered their pride with their traditional clothings. Without their victiourious wars and battles against the western superiority, they would have the same inferiority complex as the Chinese today, and wouldnt wear their Kimonos outside in public without losing face. Even that the japanese ultimatively lost in the end and now are vassals and puppets to the US, at least they have made their traditional culture legend: After all, they beheaded american POW with Katanas and not with european Sabres that where also emplyoed in the imperial japanese army. So with this little example, they have already washed clean the stain of defeat from one of their national symbols; their traditional swords.

        But what has China done till now? Nothing.
        So, Chinese people will forever chase after western superiority, as long as noone kills the western superiority with a Chinese traditional Dadao, while wearing a Hanfu.

        • donscarletti

          On the 2nd of September 1945 China was given a framed copy of the Japanese Instrument of Surrender, with the signature of its delegate (Xu Yongchang) on the very second row in the victors section. Japan was given a poorly doctored unframed copy which had names crossed out and patched in by hand, as its generals went back to disarm and submit.

          On that day, glory went to China and not to Japan. Thereon a Chinese delegate has always sat on the UN security council and not a Japanese one. Japanese do nothing but make comics about nuclear attacks and monsters destroying their city. You have nothing to envy Japan for.

          • Hongjian

            Yeah, but then, main war-criminals like Dr. Shiro Ishii of Unit 731 were protected by US General MacArthur in exchange to their experimental data on biologic warfare they have collected by killing thousands of Chinese people in human experimentations, while China herself couldnt even drive out the Kwantung Army, but had the Soviets do it singlehandedly, similarily taking claims on North-East China, that only Mao could prevent from coming to reality by his ruthless and clever political maneuvering in the coming years.

            There was no glory in just being the survivor. It was a shameful and shitty display and a bitter victory followed by a civil war.
            There was absolutely nothing that could be done by China to prevent both thing, as China was already too weak to even press on for more death sentences during Tokyo trials. At least the Japanese royal family should have been executed. But amerifat was against it, since they knew that Japan will become her useful puppet later on.

            This is why I’m actually thankful of Mao joining the Korean War, and Marshall Peng Dehuai leading his ill-equipped men to one victorious battle after another, driving out the americunts from North Korea and humiiliating that bastard MacArthur until he lost it and called for nuclear strikes on China.
            This was the first instance when China won against a major western power on the battlefield, and was the much needed boost in pride that pathetic nation needed and still needs today.

            But all that pales in comparisson to the victories and glories Japan achieved against the whole western world during WWII and before; driving the British out of asia, killing americunts en-masse in Perl Harbour, and possessing the greatest war fleet of all time, raping the shit out of their adversaries and taking so many enemies with them to hell.
            It was because of this, why Japan has no inferiority complex nowadays, even if they are now will-less puppets and pathetic vassals to the americunt world order, acting against their own economic interest by joining the Iranian Oil embargo just to please the americunts. Their glorious days may be long past, but their conciousness is cleaned forever with the blood of their enemies.

          • donscarletti

            Ah, Peng Dehuai, the 20th century’s answer to Yue Fei. I’ve seen pictures of his later years, being given honour and glory by proud Chinese youths.

            Perfect example how China rapes itself when nobody else offers to.

          • Hongjian

            “Perfect example how China rapes itself when nobody else offers to.”

            Yes. And this is why China needs to go imperialist and kill brown people to set up colonies and relieve internal pressures.

            If you look at imperial/industrial age european nations; their society were also highly unstable with lots of poor, wide social gap and lots of conflict potential. They eased it by going imperial and shipping these people to Africa, where they can enslave, kill and torture the locals with full support of their home-land. Less criminals in England, more criminals doing what they do best in Africa and China.

            China, on the other hand, also has all these internal pressures – but it just refuses to let this steam out by sending them to somewhere else to fight to death!
            So, in the end, Chinese always turn their pressure upon themselves and wage civil wars or gaint political purges that fucks everything up, only destroying everythng they have built up before.
            Compared to the imperialists, they grow in wealth everytime they fuck anoter country over, and grow so wealthy, that their own govt. can become more liberal due to the increasing grade of civilization of the population due to the wealth they have pillaged elsewhere and due to the pressure that is now devastaging someone else.

            China, on the other hand, remained poor, low on civilization and development, and remained a despoty throughout the ages, since the wealth never grew and the internal destabilizing factors always destroyed what was achieved before.
            Thus, we even have a socio-economic and political reason for CHina to fucking gut the western world for its own sake.

          • Hongjian

            So, as you see, nearly all countries who are now democratic used to viciously invade other nations and pillage their wealth, while those who remained peaceful and only fought against themselves, remained a dictatorship.

            dictatorships are the “level 1″ of all socio-political development. Every nation starts on that level.
            You can only level up, by growing in wealth and prosperity, and solving internal conflicts that inevitably arise because of societal development.
            Those, who are aggressive and kill others, wont have to kill themselves. They grow in wealth and prosperity. which enhances their military power through science and technology, while those, who remain peaceful, only fight themselves and stay on the low level of technological development, which results in them being fucked over by the stronger and more aggressive democracies.

            And then, in the end, these aggressive democracies breed a kind of disgusting people, who then stands on the backs of the peaceful low-development nations they have pillaged to grow to that point, and preaches them about human rights and democracy.

          • Hongjian

            Or even use that as pretext to invade them again…

          • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

            THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS? Are all you Chinasmack dweebs high today? FUCKING HONOR? HOW ABOUT fucking finally being able to live through a few decades of PEACE. Not having your entire damn family starve? Not having them fucked over by civil wars? Not being fucked with by warlords and foreign powers? You forget that Chinese lives are many times better than before relative to the past few centuries. The end result of sending your “enemies” to hell is …. you are going to hell! LMAO.

            I didn’t realize Chinasmack were actually full of EMO TEENAGERS.

          • E Puff

            “Yes. And this is why China needs to go imperialist and kill brown people to set up colonies and relieve internal pressures.”

            Bullying a 3rd world country that has already suffered enough isn’t going to make China a better country. It’ll just make China a world evil and of course, will cause the western countries, and other forms of democratic societies to impose sanctions in which, they will be allowed to “suspend” all bank transactions and hold (steal) their money. Once you are locked out of the world economy you will be screwed. Look at North Korea, Iran and especially CUBA. Cuba has been locked out with economic sanctions since the 1960s for harboring nuclear warheads from russia. Those people cannot even trade or get medicines in from the outside world. Travel is restricted to any american territory or friend.

            Here’s where your theory is flawed. Western countries didn’t excel because it plundered smaller countries. Western countries excelled AFTER gaining wealth and adopted liberal policies to achieve a better society. What america learned is that it’s former ways were barbaric and with a happier, less oppressed, more idealistic people the country was able to thrive and become great.

            I don’t know how someone as smart as you seem to be sees violence and invasion as an answer to problems in chinese society. China already has the means to achieve great things and doesn’t have to resort to barbaric activities for chinese people to achieve economic greatness. It simply has to let go of fear, open it’s heart, as opposed to shuttering it entirely as has seemed to have been the case for the past five or six decades.

            China doesn’t have to go through the pains of barbarism to get to the level of western countries. Plus, doesn’t matter if you plunder smaller poorer societies if you don’t iknow how to take advantage of their meager resources.

            China is already funding certain african oppressors who are in turn, using those funds to commit genocide and rape against defenseless groups of women and children so CHina’s karma isn’t good.

            America also excels because it gives money and aid to other countries, ie, they PAY them to dock military bases. SO what you see as imperialism is really some very crafty manipulation.

          • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

            Hongjian made some good points in that last post. But his proposal of China going the militarism route makes no sense to me. Not in this day and age. What are you going to do invade ASEAN countries by yourself? Do you think that will be a walk in the park? Going against the USA? How would that work exactly? Hongjian is a troll. I mean really break down what Hongjian is saying, how much of it actually fits with reality?

            Honor? Who cares what others people think about you. In Honjian’s world everything is black and white, everything is static and nothing ever changes.

          • E Puff

            He makes a lot of valid points, it’s his idea of what constitutes a “solution” that makes him batshit crazy. Military? Invasion? Yeah, germany tried that. Look where it got them.

          • Hongjian

            So much bullshit.

            It was the US all along who killed and murdered their way up to the top.
            You mistake being nice to your own people as being nice to everyone else. There’s not a sinlge country that has invaded so many others than the US. And there’s not a single culture gaining more riches from it outsides the Anglosaxons.

            if you can oppress and kill others, you dont have to turn onto your own people. You just send those who are generated as losers in your economic and social system outsides as soldiers and let themelves getting killed for your world domination.

            You have a very selective memory about what made america great. And your ideals arent a part of it, but only the pretext to rape and plunder.

            And you forget HOW you get rich before you civilized yourself. I’d say that every single English and Irish settler coming to the american lands to kill off its aboriginals were already better off than the standard Chinese citizen at that time, as they had the weapons and sanctions of their imperialist motherland to take possession of what belongs to others.
            This is where you fail. Your entire civilized and democratic facade is just the product of the oppression of others.

            You are the disgusting Marie Antoinette, who claimed that those who starve and have no bread to eat should just eat cake, totally selectively ignorant of the fact that you were the one who took their bread away to begin with.

          • Hongjian

            And if anyone now ask me now why I fucking hate americunts, here’s your answer:

            Just read E Puff’s posts where he or she so lightheartedly denies the terrorizing shithole cancer that is the USA.

            I guess you are one of those, who ask themselves why the world hates america…

            Your answer is yourself, bitch.
            Take no responsibility and attempt to declare yourself being the herald of civlilization, while literally living ontop the backs of the whole world you oppress and pillage so that you can keep your unsustainable high living standards while you spew bullshit about how others can do better.

            Fuck you. I hope we will meet each other on the battlefield where I stab you fucker in the mouth and behead you with my chinese military shovel.

          • http://www.truecrimereport.com/ Capt. WED

            “Fuck you. I hope we will meet each other on the battlefield where I stab you fucker in the mouth and behead you with my chinese military shovel.”

            What series of events would take place before that happens? US does a land invasion of China or the other way around? Meet in North Korea? The Philippines? Taiwan? Some shit island in dispute? I don’t know how that works. I’m clueless on how military strategies work in the pacific theater. Enlighten me Hongjian on how a realistic scenario would take place which ends with Hongjian sticking his bayonet into an American (or vice versa).

          • E Puff

            goodness. I’m a she, for one and you forget that I am NOT an anglo-saxon, or white. In fact, I am stuck in this country because they fucked my ancestors over, colonized their land, pillaged, raped, and mentally destroyed them. WE are as a group today, a laughing stock in this world, seen as mentally and intellectually inferior (who knows why). You want to talk about rape? Well, all of us descendants of these crimes who live in America are stuck with the ugly reminder every time they look in the mirror of those rapes, even as my grandmother stood raped by a white man when she was 12 and gave birth to my mother. Back then, white men routinely took advantage (1950s and earlier). So do not accuse me of being over-privileged. If I have success in my life its because I created my own success and have my own money.

            Interestingly, my name is Marie and I do eat cake. But let me share this. I also fought for the cake, walked coals for that cake, and BAKED the cake myself. If I do in fact have money it’s becasue I earned it and never benefitted personally (even though i should benefit from what was stolen from my ancestors). I believe in the philosophies of forgiveness and kindness and come from a people that fought through peaceful resistance and the wisdom of forcing the people who wronged us to do right. Every “minority” race in America enjoy privileges of equality because my ancestors were brave enough to stand up and fight for them. The sad part is that all those peace fighters were mostly assassinated and never stood to enjoy the stability we have today. Still, their marchces and demonstrations worked! Today, I enjoy the privilege of white people kissing my ass. I enjoy the privilege of white people working for me, and making those motherfuckers work late the day before a holiday. I enjoy being firm toward them, particularly if the person I’m dealing with is an asshole, I know how to bring them down to size. But I’m like that with people of all races who are assholes. People down right fucking fear me most of the time. Fear me not because I am physically imposing, they fear hearing my big mouth yelling and embarrassing them. And there ain’t a damned thing they can do about it.

            That being said, do I hate white people? No. I’m just enjoying the privileges my ancestors couldn’t have. Sometimes i get a rush of excitement when some person (of any race) is rude and I get to crush them down to size.

            I live among the current generations of whites who did benefit from those ills and wrongs but had no direct choice in the matter, as after all we don’t chose our parents and we don’t chose our race.

            So do I secretly wish to kill them because of that? No. Why should I? Should I want to kill the white man who assaulted my grandmother? Wish I could put my boot in his neck. She died at 33 years old from a hard life after what he had done a month before I was born. But my mother became a success in her own right and i too, have been successful. Had I lingered in the hatred, my life would be different.

            As Martin Luther King said :
            “Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars… Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”

            or

            I’ve seen too much hate to want to hate, myself, and every time I see it, I say to myself, hate is too great a burden to bear. Somehow we must be able to stand up against our most bitter opponents and say:”We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you…. But be assured that we’ll wear you down by our capacity to suffer, and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves; we will appeal to your heart and conscience that we will win you in the process, and our victory will be a double victory.
            Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 – 1968), A Christmas Sermon for Peace on Dec 24, 1967

            That is where I come from. Hate and self loathing. Where will it get you? Yes, white people plundered. They even plundered from each other. White people have been imperialists since their existence.

            Portugal was one of the the biggest colonists out there, even colonizing China’s Macau, yes? And their major involvement in Africa and the slave trade. Yet they are not as wealthy or affluent as america. Why? Because plundering and invading did not make them a success.

            America is what it is because they are liberal toward their own people. IF China did not degrade or make its own citizens afraid and weak, but gave them respect and rights, just as them America values its own citizens, Chinese would also enjoy privilege. Instead, they are having their soul sucked from them.

            You can’t get mad at A merica or the western countries for what their ancestors did. Hell, 95% of Americans don’t even know that America was involved in colonising china. They really truly don’t. Americans are completely ignorant of anything other than american or european history.

      • E Puff

        “Anything that comes from the west is good, anything that is identifiably Chinese can never be as good.”

        That’s the part that’s mind boggling to me. Mostly all of the things I like about China are all of the artful things they’ve created.i I love seeing all of those things. I really can’t stand the sight of anything western so I don’t see why they place so much value on it.

    • deanmore

      Your hypothesis explains why Japanese people look more “classy” than Chinese people, but it doesn’t address why Koreans look classy. Korea was colonized and humiliated by Japan for 40 years. I think is just bad photography, cheaply made costumes, and people acting ridiculously. If you watch a movie like “House of Flying Daggers” or “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon”, Chinese people look dignified.

      • Hongjian

        Koreans have something I wish all Chinese would possess.

        It is the eternal white hot burning hate and grudge that is distinctive of their national conscience. If you see them ripping living piglets apart or shitting and eating Japanese/Chinese flags on their demonstrations, you’ll know what I mean.

        The Koreans have a nice siege mentality, born out from the humiliation and their absolute awesome hate against everyone else. No matter if Japanese, Chinese or even the fucking USA.

        With this, they just REJECT everything non-Korean for their traditional culture, and can even turn the ugly piece of shit that is the Hanbok into something dignified by sheer nationalism and chauvinism.
        Chinese, on the other hand, love to suck western cock, americunt culture and worship everything non-chinese like their personal gods.
        No amount of beauty and modernity of the Hanfu can make it accpeted in the society and held in high regards.

        Fucking Chinese people.

        • deanmore

          South Korea has a different type of government than China. The Chinese government wouldn’t allow protests. Just look at the recent incidents where people have tried to protests. The government steps right in and breaks up the protests. Also, if Korea is so proud of their “Koreaness”, then why is it that they copy so much of American pop music? Why is it that they have so much plastic surgery, specially on their eye lids, to make themselves more “Western”? Why are Korean men trying to emulate Western men in body building? I think you view things in absolute terms, but in reality things are more nuanced.

          I hear people complaining that Chinese are too proud of themselves, then I hear that Chinese people are not proud enough. People just love complaining.

          • Hongjian

            Oh, the Chinese govt. cant do anything but to tolerate protests.
            The Wukang riots last year had to be yielded by the govt. and the leader of the bunch was even appointed local party secretary now. China only steps in, if it is some ethnic seperatist shit or it will go out of hand since it will be against the system.

            The Koreans have something, that is impressive. It is their doublethink. They know that they are shit, but they force it into their minds with all nationalism and make themselves believe that they arent shit but actually superior to everything. Pop-music and all that other shit isnt important, since popshit doesnt change the fact that the Koreans are still arrogant fuckers who look down on Chinese and Japs similiarily, even if they have copied so much from both of them.

            But Chinese, on the other hand, cant lie to themselves in that doublethinking way. If they detect that something is shit, they will instantly and opportunistically try to leave the boat and arrange themselves with the thing they are considering to be superior.

            For example if Koreans would produce cancer inducing milk powder, they would still force themselves to drink it because it is made in Korea. Chinese on the other hand, will instantly duck and cover like rats and starts importing milk powder made in Germany.

          • anon

            See, Hongjian is an equal opportunity hater. He has “rants” chock full of bile for every opportunity and target. Reacting sensitively only when he “lashes out” at something that is part of your identity (whether it be “Americunts” or “Eurofags”) betrays the fact that you’re not reading him close enough. You have to avoid the “it’s all fun and games until its about me” trap.

  • andywattbulb

    don’t forget to bind those feet, ladies!

  • AshLikeSnow

    It’s all in good fun. And its not just good for tourism.

    Its a good way to engage audiences, have fun activities that build community, and throw in a bit of good education as well.

    They can throw in a good bit of education about the various dynasties, the building of the great wall, and other simple trivia. Doesn’t need to be deep, but it gets children interested in history and learning. And having a dress up activity is much more interesting than listening to a boring lecture.

    Anyway, activities like this are good for the community. children meet, socialize, and have fun, and learn some. Parents work together to organize events. While this doesn’t seem to be much, but having people in a community who have actually met, worked together, and help each other out.. makes for a better place.

    Don’t know if you had similar actives, but I had a lot of weird activities for thanksgiving Columbus day, etc. I remember we used to dress up as native Americans, it was alot fun….
    later on we get to learn that us Americans systematically wiped out the native populations…… but yea…..

  • Jeffli

    I can understand dressing up in Tang dynasty stuff, – it was the eonly good era in the last 2000 years but still Chinese were not ruled by Chinese then either,
    Qing dynasty? Inbred Nurzhen leaders?!!sily stupid half shaved heads and platted tail? Corrupt govt. stagnant culture, what is there to be proud about Qing dynasty? Mr.QianLong? – ha died of siphyllis !!!
    stick to the suits guys, or red jumpsuits with yellow stars.

  • 平凡人

    I hope they don’t do it too often, can save the money spent on schools in the poorer regions. Recently I visited the North western rural regions of China, I think the people in the major cities and eastern seaboard regions should be thankful with what they have rather than always bitching around on what the others have.

    • Jeffli

      YOU ARE RIGHT!
      And tell the NW ers to produce more chopsticks, paint them and sell them 10x price to these idiot with stryrofoam cups on their heads!

  • Spanky

    Let’s bring back foot binding too. Maybe malnutrition and castration (to serve in the Palace) also. The past was great!

    • oj

      Foot-binding came into fashion during the Song Dynasty (960-1279AD). It didn’t exist the prior dynasties.

      The pressure for fashion slavery isn’t much worse than modern day fashionistas who wear cripple their feet in rediculously high spike heels to look sexy for men.

  • dim mak

    I support it, the hell with pig disgusting Manchu dress.

    But to make Hanfu practical they need to update it to a modern style. The same reason Europeans don’t walk around in Victorian dress. Innovate and adapt.

    • DUXESTLUX

      ahahh …innovate….who? the chinese?

      • Siluan Wang

        lol. guess that’s why Hanfu was there in the first place and then been copied across Asia. learn something first before you comment. quite worried for you. ==

  • Adjutant

    That looks pretty awesome. I don’t know what everyone’s problem is. We wear special costumes rooted in old tradition for our graduation ceremonies, why can’t they wear costumes for their ceremonies? If the Japanese hadn’t kept wearing their Kimonos, they would equally be regarded just as outdated period clothing. But no, you people LOVE Japanese kimonos, but ridicule all other period clothing. What hypocrites. It’s all about continuous usage.

    • dim mak

      That part is nonsense anyway, I’ve been to Japan and Korea and never saw anyone wear traditional clothes except in special ceremonies. 99% of the time its the same shit people wear anywhere else

  • wgh9

    While I’m quite a pro-Hanfuist myself I often find myself cringing on other sloppy and random some people wear their “hanfus”. I agree with another comment that hanfu is just the outer part, what really matters is the inner soul which is long lost.

    • Hongwu

      I give great importance to the looks, but like you, I already think that the ‘core’, the grassroot tradition needs to be protected,taught, and upheld above everything.

  • wgh9

    While I’m quite a pro-Hanfuist myself I often find myself cringing on how sloppy and random some people wear their “hanfus”. I agree with another comment that hanfu is just the outer part, what really matters is the inner soul which is long lost.

  • TROLOLOL

    these people are just being cheap and superficial. the great philosophy and culture China once had has been been diminished to almost zero over the last 50 years. Like most of the stuff in China these days, it’s all about the appearance/outer shell… not that they’re doing a very good job at even that.

  • Yijing Gu

    Hanfu is an essential cultural symbol of Han people. I think that’s why Manchurians killed Hanfu but not Han language or so.

  • Hongwu

    I respect the movement, and wished for it the utmost success, and I sincerely hope the persons that like it study hard and learn even further about Hanfu, and other Rites and parts of our culture!!

    At least the are a somehow sillent rebellion against that whole clothing crap that invaded our nation, with a strenght worse than any steppe horde; they are the westerner suit,tie,t-shirt,jeans,high-heels, and lots of other horrible foreign influences we need to expell from our country through the means of divulgating and expanding our culture.

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