CCTV Host Calls Hunan Education Department Lazy & Shameless

Cui Yongyuan, a famous Chinese host and presenter on CCTV.

One of the most read and discussed news topics on the Chinese internet yesterday and currently still the number 1 trending search term on leading Chinese search engine Baidu…

From iFeng:

Cui Yongyuan angrily denounces Hunan Province Department of Education: [They] don’t work hard, don’t do their jobs, don’t have any shame!

People’s Daily, Beijing, June 12th report (reporter Song Xinrui), Beijing time yesterday afternoon, well-known CCTV host and presenter Cui Yongyuan [famous for his popular talk show Tell it Like It Is that often discussed social issues] angrily denounced the Hunan Province Department of Education on his personal microblog, saying they “don’t work hard, don’t do their jobs, don’t have any shame!”

That day, Cui Yongyuan participated in an interview concerning the “training of rural village teachers.” Before the interview, he wrote on his microblog: “The Cui Yongyuan Public Welfare Fund’s sixth Rural Teacher Training session will train 100 Hunan rural teachers in August. In response to this, the Hunan Province Department of Education replied: ‘[We] don’t oppose, don’t support, don’t participate.’ We are extremely angry, and hereby officially judge the Hunan Province Department of Education as: don’t work hard, don’t do their jobs, don’t have any shame!”

According to media reports, in 2007 September, Cui Yongyuan and the China Red Cross Foundation jointly established the Cui Yongyuan Public Welfare Fund/Foundation with the “Training of Rural Teachers” being an important project of the fund. Since the start of the first training session on 2007 December 14 up to 2011 August, it has held a total of five training sessions throughout “Gansu, Guizhou, Sichuan, Hunan, Heilongjiang and other provinces with approximately 700 rural teachers having already undergone this training.”

At time of publication, this microblog post had already been forwarded 30,000 times, with netizens one after another heatedly discussing this matter.

Cui Yongyuan's Tencent Weibo microblog post denouncing the Hunan province's Department of Education.

Comments from iFeng:

凤凰网重庆市网友:长弓四方

Tell it like it is.

凤凰网湖南省湘潭市网友:xfhhh

The Hunan Department of Education is indeed like this, on one hand forbidding schools to order education materials and on the other hand forcing schools to subscribe to the materials directly controlled by the department, such as Junior High Student, High School Student, Elementary Student Guide, all of which cost a considerable amount, are of little use, and basically all garbage. Who knows how many benefits and how much profit the Department of Education has gotten from all of this.

凤凰网江苏省淮安市网友:jshasz

I’ve always thought highly of Cui Yongyuan, but it seems like he stands alone and has little power while today’s society has gotten to such a situation that just a few people and organizations won’t be enough to change it.

凤凰网福建省福州市网友:ccx5611

Who is the head of the Hunan Department of Education? I’d really like to know how this person got his position. Just how much money was spent to purchase this Education Department position??

凤凰网北京市网友:慢慢走吧

Thankfully we have the internet and microblogs, otherwise we couldn’t possible know there is such a shameless thing in this world.

凤凰网江苏省盐城市网友:天翼2003

I support Cui Yongyuan. The officials of Hunan province’s education department are all children of officials. You help them train teachers and they’re afraid of being embarrassed, afraid of others saying they “don’t do their jobs.”

凤凰网内蒙古网友:看着主人打狗

Why is it that the shameless are all officials? Those who appoint them are even more shameless.

凤凰网广东省肇庆市网友:心未全死

I support Cui Yongyuan telling it like it is! Some government departments really just don’t work hard, don’t do their jobs, and don’t have any shame.

凤凰网陕西省安康市网友:温州黄埔精神

This kind of shameless local government is everywhere now, Cui isn’t their immediate superior so of naturally they won’t respond!

凤凰网河南省洛阳市网友:zhaoshiyu

I feel like only money has any use in China’s present social system, that it is only money that is keeping society turning.

The logo of Cui Yongyuan's public welfare fund, in association with the China Red Cross Foundation.

The logo of Cui Yongyuan's public welfare fund, in association with the China Red Cross Foundation.

While there were over 100k participants in the comments on iFeng, Chinese netizens were especially vocal on the popular Chinese portal website NetEase, with nearly 500k participants over 375 pages of comments in less than 24 hours on their copy of the above article, both of which were the hottest articles of the day on both sites…

Comments from NetEase:

我什么都不知道o [网易北京市网友]:

Haha, ding Little Cui, for daring to tell it like it is!
There’s no benefit/profit [for the Hunan province education administrators], so they of course neither won’t oppose, won’t support, and won’t participate in it.

cdlol001 [网易广东省广州市网友]:

I think his criticism is spot on. Click [the upvote button for this comment], and get rich this year.

一鹤鸣天 [网易重庆市网友]:

You don’t give them any benefits, so why would they help?!

贝尔mk [网易辽宁省大连市网友]:

Little Cui is once again blindly telling it like it is.

yang00009999000 [网易山东省日照市网友]:

Well said, Little Cui.

屁民99 [网易韩国网友]:

Haha
Everyone already knows.
All he did was say it out loud.

网易广西北海市网友:

With no money to be made, they definitely won’t support it!

haigejx [网易重庆市奉节县网友]:

Not that I want to defend the Department of Education but: 1. Training 700 people over 4 years for the Education Department is just putting on a show. How many teachers? How many rural teachers? 2. Did Little Cui actually contact the Department of Education? Is your training professional? If you really want to contribute [to society], why are you providing training, just give the money directly to the education department, let them do it, do you think you’d be more professional than the education department? 3. Training just 100 [teachers] for all of Hunan, if this isn’t just putting on a show, what is it? And you criticize others? 4. Even if you’re sincere, even if your training is professional, what’s wrong with others neither opposing nor accommodating you? What right do you have to demand others to accommodate you? I used to like Little Cui, but these three “don’ts” of his gives me a low opinion of him!

网易天津市网友: (responding to above)

Upon seeing “give the money directly to the education department” I knew immediately that you’re nothing good.

00sunshine [网易广东省深圳市网友]: (responding to above)

“Give the money directly to the education department.” It’ll go in but it won’t come back out.

网易山东省济南市网友: (responding to above)

Upon seeing “give the money directly to the education department” I knew you’re mentally retarded.

网易江苏省苏州市网友:

With what do we trust those relevant departments? And you want to give the money? Taxes are high enough as it is.

gmchevrolet [网易山西省临汾市网友]:

The first guy above [haigejx] thinks he’s right. Trying to reason with him is a waste of time. All you can do is give him two words: SB.

kkkasd [网易贵州省安顺市网友]: (responding to above)

The Hunan Department of Education asked [Cui Yongyuan’s] foundation to send an official letter, and the volunteer of the foundation sent the provincial department of education an email signed as the Red Cross Foundation, asking the provincial education department to do ix things including issuing official instructions to subordinates and making a official public announcement on their website. The provincial education department felt that issuing official instructions to subordinates because of an email was clearly inappropriately, so it tasked an education research group to continue discussions for collaboration. Who knows how that volunteer who sent the email reported the matter to Cui Yongyuan but somehow it became [the Hunan Province Department of Education] not opposing, not supporting, and not participating.

网易福建省泉州市网友: (responding to above)

To the person above, may I ask, do you also work for the education department? I see you’ve replied quite a lot [in the comments], quite a contribution [to the department] you’re making, eh?

kkkasd [网易贵州省安顺市手机网友]: (responding to above)

I don’t work for the education department, I work in a private company. I saw people immediately cursing Hunan people and I can’t accept that. The foundation’s volunteer simply sent the Hunan province education department an email signed as the “Red Cross Foundation” and thought it he could then make a total of six requests including having the provincial education department issue official instructions and make official public announcements on its website.
If someone sends you an email, asking you to use your official organization’s seal to issue official instructions/orders to lower/subordinate organizational bodies, could you do it?

The above Chinese commenter, as well as some others, are referring to this…

From iFeng:

Hunan Province Department of Education responds to Cui Yongyuan’s “Three Don’ts” criticism

According to what this reporter learned from the Hunan province Department of Education, the course of events was like this: At the beginning of May this year, someone named Dong Feng called the Hunan province Department of Education claiming to be a volunteer for Cui Yongyuan’s Public Welfare Fund, saying the Cui Yongyuan Public Welfare Fund’s Sixth Rural Teacher Training Sessions wants to train 100 rural teachers in Hunan. The Hunan province Department of Education staff member who answered the phone immediately expressed that they welcome the Cui Yongyuan Public Welfare Foundation training rural teachers for Hunan but asked that they send an official letter making clear the relevant details and situation so that they could look into it and handle it accordingly. After multiple telephone calls, on May 18th, the Hunan Province Department of Education receive an email from the other party, marked as the “China Red Cross Foundation”, dated 2012 May 16, indicating that the contact person as “董峰 Dong Feng, Wings of a Dream Volunteer”.

[A list of six things that the Cui Yongyuan Fund wants the Hunan Province Department of Education to do.]

After studying this email, the Hunan province education department felt that a public welfare project developed by a non-government organization should be organized by that organization in accordance with laws and regulations, and it would not be appropriate for the provincial department of education as a government body, given its function and duties, to directly issue official announcements and participate in the organization of the project for the NGO. A relevant Hunan province Department of Education staff member immediately communicated this to Dong Feng.

Regarding Cui Yongyuan’s comment on his personal microblog, the person in charge of the Hunan Province Department of Education expressed confusion. At the same time, this representative also indicated that to support the work of this public welfare fund in Hunan, they have already recommended that the Hunan Province Primary and Middle School Teachers’ Continuing Education Study Group contact this foundation, to provide all necessary assistance for their work and activities in Hunan.

According to what this reporter learned from the Hunan Province Primary and Middle School Teachers’ Continuing Education Study Group, the person responsible for this study group made telephone contact with Dong Feng this morning, and Dong Feng said that only after the Hunan Province Education Department provides written authorization, which must be an official letter scanned and sent to his email address, will he report to Cui Yongyuan and a decision can be made as to whether or not they will collaborate.

On Sohu Weibo:

@崔永元 [Cui Yongyuan]: The Hunan Department of Education responded to the “three don’ts” exclusively through People’s Daily Online, and this response is still filled with “three don’ts”: [They] don’t know that Hunan’s 100 rural teachers want to come to the capital for training, don’t mention how we provided all of the identifying documentation and supporting evidence they demanded, and don’t mention how our volunteer called them over a hundred times over this matter. Therefore, I still maintain my judgment of “three don’ts” toward the Hunan Department of Education…

Here is the 2012 volunteer recruitment video for Cui Yongyuan’s foundation and their project to train rural teachers throughout China:

0:17 – “8 million rural teachers and 100 million children’s dream.”
0:24 – “Many people think of the children, but not many think of these teachers.”

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  • Notorious

    SOFA I FINALLY GOT IT HEHEHEH

    • pada

      You got it since everybody knew there was an anti-personnel mine underneath.
      Lets sign the treaty and ban the mines! ;)

      • Nyancat

        shut up you cock gobbler, lol ;)

        • pada

          Wow you fckin’ redneck throwing first punch again, ignorant of my expertise on your Midwest specie and of my eagerness to tickle your armpits as I dont mind having a stinking index finger.
          I heard you rednecks always give one single gift to all his dearest, sisters, mother and wife. Dont worry its not that camo-coloured cock for all of them to goble but your old Pepsi bottles of dip spit for them to drink, lol!

          • Turner

            Hahahahaha!

          • Nyancat

            That wasn’t a punch that was a K.O took you 12 hrs to reply you turd. You don’t mind having a stinking index finger cause it’s up your ass most of the time.
            Whend you hear that rumor about redneck gifts? Was it while you were getting a camo colored cock in your ear while listening to rednecks taking a dump? You sick bastard.
            You made one mistake though, I drink coke not Pepsi so your whole is moot dipshit.

  • Notorious

    will this man go away for a vacation style reeducation now?

  • Sponge Monkey

    Can someone help me understand this article? I had a little difficulty understanding what’s going on here.

    This is how I have pieced it together.

    a) In 2007, Cui Yongyuan Public Welfare Fund/Foundation with the “Training of Rural Teachers” being an important project of the fund.
    b) From what I understand from this, it was performed (successfully?) in Gansu, Guizhou, Sichuan, Hunan, Heilongjiang and other provinces with approximately 700 rural teachers having already undergone this training. This from 2007 – 2011
    c) His group announced that the sixth Rural Teacher Training session will train 100 Hunan rural teachers in August.
    d) Hunan education debt replied, “[We] don’t oppose, don’t support, don’t participate.”

    So, in other words, Hunan education told him to buzz off? I don’t follow if THEY ARE training the 100 teachers and the Education Dept said “whatever, we don’t care” or if they said WE WANT to train 100 teachers and the Education Dept said “No.”

    Regardless, coming from a family of teachers in Canada, I’ve heard the exact same comments made at family gatherings about the Canadian Boards of Education (well, specifically, the Ontario). * I remember a funny story about my mom’s principal locking all the parents in the gymnasium for “multicultural night” back in the late 70s.

    * Does anyone have a link (in Chinese or English, doesn’t matter) to the interview he did that day? There’s mention of an interview. Just curious.

    • Lavvy

      As I understand, his foundation offered to train 100 teachers. The Hunan education department replied “whatever, man, do what you want”.

      – A normal administration (of whatever) will take any help they can get (at least as long as it doesn’t come with any risk or expenses).
      – A fucked up administration will do their work “tomorrow” and look for a way to steal funds from it’s own organization.

      He calls it “don’t work hard, don’t do their jobs, don’t have any shame”. I call it corruption, which doesn’t occur only in China, but also international.
      Human nature, I guess …

      • Sponge Monkey

        Seems like it. I found some really interesting stuff on this Cui Yongyang, including a brilliant quote regarding working in media in China.

        “The more you care, the less freedom you have.”

        Guess he just lost some freedom.

        p.s. I do realize I’m a dumbass and didn’t read the second half of that story from Ifeng until after my two posts. I read a few of the Chinese comments and they all seemed the same (the comments, not the Chinese), so I skipped down to the comments. Woops.

        • Little Wolf

          Yes….this is why it will be complicated for us to even make a simple charity to help the little girl. The powers that be will find a way to exploit it and make money and fuck up everything. Nothing is ever simple.

      • Alan

        Human nature, I guess …

        I thought you meant to type Hunan nature there for a minute.

        Having worked in that province quagmired in corruption and maoist era xenophobia I never want to go back. The only good thing it has going for it is the food and the gals, nothing else.

        • Nyancat

          Gonna agree with you on this Alan, the women from Hunan are relatively harmless but the men folk are scum, I should know my brother in law is from there, he’s got two kids and does nothing all day but drink while his wife works.

          • tai wai

            Girl does nothing but play all day while her husband works: OK!

            Guy does nothing but play all day while his wife works: Scum!

            Yay for 18th century mentality.

          • Nyancat

            I’ll just chalk up ur answer to stupidity. Men are supposed to provide for their families not dicking around all day, you’re going to make some woman real ‘unlucky’ with that attitude. Men and women are supposed to work, and in this day and age when inflation rises and salaries remain the same, it would be advantageous. Seriously if you have that attitude don’t have kids, you’ll just make them suffer.

          • tai wai

            Men are supposed to provide for their families not dicking around all day

            I guess you missed the last 60 years, and the rise of the career woman.

            Heck, my dad was a house-husband for a few years, and my mother certainly didn’t think she was unlucky for it, and neither do I. She thought that he was really cool and sweet for putting aside his BS “MAN IS THE BOSS AND PROVIDER” pride.

            (Why is it the ignorant, with their limited points of view, are always the first to call others stupid?)

          • Nyancat

            oh right the rise of the career woman, this is the east not the west where women’s rights in the workplace and so on are well developed, you might wanna factor that into your argument. You might wanna consider that the majority of the population are blue collar workers, and even those working office jobs don’t make all that much. I mean seriously do you factor in the cost of a house and the average salary in China? While there might be those who can make it work in this case your family. Consider the majority not the minority and yes I’m still saying that you’re ignorant. I like how you added BOSS to provider, I explicitly said provider, so I’m guessing you’ve gone through a situation that has rooted this mindset, not everyone is the same alright.

          • Nyancat

            I should punctuate more, oh yeah and ‘ with their limited points of view’ that one made me lol, thanks for a good laugh. :D

          • Nyancat

            ah crap always notice the details once i post so here is the final comment im making on this “Heck, my dad was a house-husband for a few years, and my mother certainly didn’t think she was unlucky for it, and neither do I. She thought that he was really cool and sweet for putting aside his BS “MAN IS THE BOSS AND PROVIDER” pride.”
            This is what you said, I’m gonna assume that your dad did something around the house? Cleaning up and what not, that’s what house husbands do right, well my brother in law does nothing but sit at home, drink, smoke, no work whatsoever and that includes housework. So yea I don’t accept ur argument condoning this behavior. Fin

          • tai wai

            Fin

            Kay.

          • Nyancat

            Oh sorry if you didn’t understand the word Fin, it means ‘the end’. You’re welcome.

          • donscarletti

            In the 21st century men who slack off and depend on their wife’s salary are contemptible scum.

            The only difference is, nowdays women who slack off and rely on their husbands are considered by some to be scum as well.

      • Bruce Tutty

        Corruption is very strong in China, compared to most other countries in the World.

        • mandrewsf

          Cool story brah

        • El Puma R.

          I don’t know if it’s the amount of corruption, I think it’s the amount of zeros in their bribes that’s very strong.

          • moop

            hey el puma, did you receive my email?

  • Sponge Monkey

    Answered my own questions. Although still looking for that interview.

    There’s a more in-depth story in English about this at http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/714588.shtml .

    It’s got the response from the Education Department.
    “We welcome the work of all charities, but it’s inappropriate for us to get directly involved as a government department.”

  • Rod

    My prediction is either

    1. Arguments go back and forth til everyone forgets and moves on

    or

    2. One person is selected to take the blame and they are severely punished

  • The Enlightened One

    Public servants… I want to say from personal experience that the majority, if not all, of the stereotypes are true.

    I have some Chinese “public servants” in my family now due to marriage. All I can say, is yes they act like all Chinese owe them a favor. No, they won’t help you unless they can take advantage or have something to gain. Yes, they lie and cheat and look down pretty much everyone. Yes, they commonly cheat on their wives with mistresses… I know one that had to rush to my wife’s father for 100k to pay off a women trying to exploit him or she would tell his wife.

    Yes, they enjoy smoking, being loud and obnoxious and trying to drink foreigners under the table for fun. Yes, a lot of them run off to North America, Europe or Australia after fearing being investigated when their hands get a little too greasy. Being around them is incredibly annoying… MOST of them are the very worst of humanity and it is scary to see them trying to set the example for China.

    This is not just based on one assessment but with many different cases.

    • Little Wolf

      An honest assessment EO. I should warn you in advance you’re probably in for a 10,000 dissertation from “anon” about rash generalizations. May god have mercy on your soul

      • The Enlightened One

        LoL, thanks but I did use the words “most” and “majority”.

        I should also mention that my experience is not only within my own Chinese sector of the family, but with a large number of government officials and in different locations throughout China.

        I always cringe having to meet with them (that part of the family) around Spring festival… although I did drink a city mayor and police chief under the table after they called me out. It was thoroughly disappointing, I always heard Chinese men could drink a lot…

        I advise you to never play Chinese drinking games with “public servants” unless you know the rules. Want to know the fastest way to piss off a Chinese government official?

        Go drinking with one, then own him horribly at the dice game or the quick number game (forget the Chinese name) and then watch them get horribly drunk. It REALLY burns their ego something fierce. But you gain instant respect rather than just being a song & dance laowai. It works like that… it’s how they test your manhood.

        • Bruce Tutty

          You still drink to prove your manhood?

          • The Enlightened One

            “It’s how THEY test your manhood.”

            If you have lived in China a few years, you would know this.

          • donscarletti

            The police look at your passport/drivers license.

            The doctor looks at your junk.

            The geneticist looks at your SRY gene.

            Chinese drown you with baijiu.

            When someone demands proof, it is on their terms, not yours.

      • anon

        I’m flattered that you think of me so much, Little Wolf! Nice to know I have that power over you.

        • Little Wolf

          anon:What power is that? The power to irritate? It’s nothing that you should feel flattered about. I would hope that when my name comes up that people will think positive things and not as a pretentious boor that constantly needs to remind us to be open-minded as if we’ve never conceived the idea that there may be other points of view. As your friend I would advise you to keep a copy of Dale Carnegie’s “How to Make Friends and Influence People” next to your toilet. Just glance at a page or 2 during your morning dump.

          • anon

            What makes you think I mind if certain people think I’m a pretentious boor because I have the audacity to challenge the way they or others conduct themselves? This isn’t a popularity contest.

          • Little Wolf

            Obviously you do mind or you wouldn’t go through so much trouble explaining yourself all the time. You’re not going to persuade anybody to see things from your view as long as keep challenging our intelligence. Everybody that takes the time to comment thinks their view is just as valid and sensible as you do, unless they’re just being a shit-head on purpose (pada)

            I came out of the womb with my middle finger in the air. My offline persona can switch gears really quick into the most defiant and confrontational motherfucker you’ll ever set your eyes on. You seem to have a loose definition of “audacity”

            Regardez!

          • anon

            Simple test: If I cared about certain people thinking I’m a pretentious boor, wouldn’t I have changed my behavior to appease those people?

            Of course everyone thinks their view is just as valid and sensible as I think of mine. What made you think I need to be reminded of it? It is precisely because they think it is valid and sensible that I voice what I believe to be more valid and sensible when I disagree. This is the nature of conversation. Why would I argue with them if I didn’t believe that they genuinely believe in what they’re saying?

            We challenge people’s intelligence every single day here on this website. You’re chafing because you feel I’m challenging yours or someone you identify with and by extension you. Tough luck. People disagree with me, I disagree with them, we disagree with you, they disagree with me. All the same thing. We both voice our disagreements with some measure of hope in either changing another person’s thinking or behavior or influencing how others see us. I recognize that. I just value objective validity over people’s feelings.

            When others are fair and reasonable, I respond in kind. When they say something offensive and of questionable intellect, they’re liable to get my disagreement. Not going to change.

          • Little Wolf

            Wow anon…..that’s deep. And took alot of audacity.

          • mr. wiener

            LW.
            Try to think of him a high fiber for your cerebral cortex. Although too much “audacity” could give you the runs :P

          • anon

            I think you need to look up the definition of the word audacity as used in the phrase “the audacity to do “.

    • linette

      The Enlightened One

      Thank you so much for pointing out all the facts about these China Chinese gov’t officials. That is exactly how they are. Them using and abusing the gov’t money. I have China friends who are cousins to some of these officials, and they told me the same thing about them. These public servants abuse gov’t money driving nice cars. Spend lavishly on houses and restaurants. Smoke like a chimney with expensive cigarettes and pricey wines. They are just human garbage wasting taking up space. 90% of these gov’t need to be removed from their power.

      • The Enlightened One

        No problem,

        You are right, that is exactly what they do. They think they can have have anything or anyone. It’s like a “god” complex. The next time you travel around the roads of your city check which cars are driving like maniacs… chances are buses, taxi drivers (which is a given) and people in black SUVs or luxury cars. They have no regard for the people they supposedly “serve”.

  • mp

    Generally, the last thing any government agency desires is “outside” (meaning citizen) “help.” And “education” is a very politically sensitive subject matter, too.

    [I tried to get my “” in line, for those who are counting.]

  • anon

    Haha, Fauna attempts to cover something serious and it flies over the heads of the vast majority of chinaSMACK’s audience except for maybe half a dozen people above who actually dived in and tried to figure it out. Poor girl.

    At first, it sounded to me that there was some miscommunication or misunderstanding between Cui’s organization/volunteer and the provincial government bureau, where the bureau wasn’t sure it should be using its power and authority when all they got was an email instead of a proper letter. However, Cui’s response at the end suggests his organization provided everything the bureau wanted and are misrepresenting the situation.

    The Global Times article helped piece it together a bit. The original article is actually incredibly vague about what was going on. It seemed like all the Chinese netizens who commented on it didn’t really care what was happening and simply assumed the Hunan education bureau was of course being lazy and shameless as befitting the Chinese stereotype of all government organizations in China. While Cui seems to suggest that assumption is still correct, I’m still disappointed by how quick they jumped to conclusions (unless they were going on more information than what was presented in the articles they were commenting on).

    • moop

      you’ve posted the 17th comment on this article, seems like no one really gives a shit about it. what exactly flew over the heads of a vast majority of chinaSmack’s audience? the story’s kinda boring. do you think people don’t comment on the song translations because if flies over their heads or because they are disinterested. for someone who always lectures others about jumping to conclusions, you sure are.

      the real news is that a Global Times article actually pieced something together

      • anon

        Right, either no one gives a shit or people can’t be bothered because its mostly domestic intrigue. I said as much.

        It’s not the simplistic sensationalism that many of the other popular chinaSMACK articles are about, and you’re free to challenge my read of the situation (as always) if you think I’m wrong. I’ve been persuaded before, not usually by you, but it happens. Still, I stand by my impression that this post wasn’t as easy to follow and understand as the post of a girl born with furry spots or the girl who was tragically run over. The last post that I remember being along this vein was the Xiao Yueyue post (the other one, not the one that was run over). Either this was too convoluted for most of the commentariat to bother with or it shows that the commentariat cares less about what’s popular on the Chinese internet than they care for something they can have knee-jerk reactions over.

        Are you still bitter about Notorious? I better go check that thread…

        See, now we’re having meta conversations about each other. The old standby on chinaSMACK.

        Global Times actually has plenty of decent articles, especially when its just reporting and not editorials. It’s just that we enjoy thinking of it as a nationalistic rag that’s all.

        • moop

          “the commentariat cares less about what’s popular on the Chinese internet than they care for something they can have knee-jerk reactions over.” i think this is more likely than simply “flying over” people’s heads.

          what’s to be bitter about regarding notorious? everyone here knows i don’t like her and i’ve bit my tongue for the past month or so, reading her stupid comments, but not wanting to attack her all the time, but the last post was full blown retarded and i refused to ignore it. i’m not bitter, i just dont like her at all and she feels the same about me.

          as to your comment before about me being a hypocrite in the notorious post. little wolf’s reply to you was more or less on the money, but i’ll clear up some other things for you. i’ve been living in beijing for years, and have heard chinese people say things about how bad america is, or upon meeting me in an elevator for the first time asking me why we arent a peaceful country, and other bull shit like that. i always bite my tongue, am courteous, and go about my business. people constantly trying to take advantage of me somehow, treating me like a dancing monkey, or stereotyping me in some way takes it’s toll on any normal person. but i bite my tongue, am courteous, and go about my business. i feel no need to come on this website and defend china against all the stupid comments people make about her. there are people on this website that do that already and the ccp employs people to do this on top of that, i really don’t care. i’ll vent on here occasionally and that’s enough to keep me from punching the next asshole who yells “hellooooo” across the street at me sarcastically because he thinks he buddies will think he’s 很勇敢.

          caixin is the only piece of chinese journalism i can stomach

          • anon

            moop,

            I personally think it flew over most people’s heads because its convoluted and not a simple sensationalist story and those who got it most don’t care. I have a low opinion of most of the commentariat here judging by their comments. If it isn’t sex or violence, they tune out. It goes with my arrogance, remember?

            As I said there, I don’t read her comments so I must’ve missed out on you struggling to bite your tongue with your past discussions. I still think you ended up looking really defensive and thus hypocritical, especially after Fauna recently showing your less than exemplary past comments.

            You don’t have to clear up why you vent on this website. I understand why people do it. I just still think it is often inappropriate and offensive just as it would be in person. You’re still relying on the anonymity of the internet to indulge in behaviors you wouldn’t do in person. I think that’s dangerous. It’s one thing for you to watch rape porn as a solitary activity, it’s another thing to be irresponsible with your words and attitudes in a social context, which is exactly what a comments section is. That’s my philosophy. You don’t have to agree with it or adopt it, but we’ll have friction naturally. Different values.

            Caixin? Come now, there’s also much of the Southern Media Group.

            Dr SUN,

            Maybe. As I said above, I felt there was a lot of questions concerning the story each side was giving. I can understand not many people here being interested in this story, which is why I made fun of Fauna for it, but I can definitely think of people who might know more about it contributing meaningful comments here.

            tai wai,

            I agree completely, and that makes me a hypocrite.

            Nyancat,

            Agreed, I do think it is a little unfair for the site though. They often do report really quite decent and serious topics but everyone equates this site with the salacious.

          • moop

            yeah, i’ve already admitted i used to troll this site, and i decided i didnt want to anymore, so i stopped and started saying things i actually mean. i dont really think it makes me a hypocrite, i’m actually pretty honest and straight forward. i figured trolling was wrong so i stopped. i’ve already admitted this and moved on. i’m even civil from time-to-time, although the longer i argue i’ve noticed the meaner i get. i’ll just have to work on that.

            the truth is i have a mainland chinese wife who’s great and keeps me from getting too frustrated with china and all my coworkers are chinese, and i am actually fond of this country at times. i think most people are idiots and i said the same thing of my own countrymen when i was back home, and i’ll say it where ever i go, because most people are idiots.

            i’m not “relying on the anonymity of the internet to indulge in behaviors i wouldn’t do in person”. my letting of steam occasionally online keeps me from doing it on the street. i would do these things in person if i didnt have some way to vent. thats a good thing for everyone, at least the lesser of two evils. who knows, with time i may be as mellow as mr. weiner.

          • anon

            The Portugal game in the past 5 minutes just got way more interesting than this website so…

            I think the internet can affect our real world behavior in sometimes profound ways so that’s why I don’t give a pass to what people say and how they behave online. Just look at how nationalism can be reinforced and inflamed by online rumors and discussion.

            I’m done with the site for the day so if I have time tomorrow, I’ll be sure to amuse or aggravate everyone tomorrow.

        • Dr SUN

          I think as everyone knows Anon, the worthy comments were made long ago.
          As there is no money in it for the education department officials they have no interest in it one way or another.

        • tai wai

          See, now we’re having meta conversations about each other. The old standby on chinaSMACK.

          This is why regulars, be they in a web forum, a bar, the local coffee house, or, well, anywhere, suck.

          They have their own politics, infighting, he-said she-said, cliques, and everything else that is useless and off topic.

        • Nyancat

          considering the number of people who posted on this article and didn’t stay on topic, I’m going to go with noone gives a shit.

    • Bruce Tutty

      Obviously that’s most people’s opinion of the Hunan education bureau, right or wrong, that’s what they think of them.

  • Nyancat

    This fellow Cui has the right idea, I’m glad he has the determination to carry out the program with or without help from the local government, now if something like this could be duplicated throughout the rural areas of China, it would go a long way to giving a better education to rural kids, they’re neglected enough as it is.

    • The Enlightened One

      Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the village heads and town mayors are more concerned with lining their pockets. A lot of them see very little value in education as many of them lack in education themselves.

      The majority of people in the rural areas work in factories, fields and small shops. Education just isn’t a necessity to get on with life. A lot of them do send their children to they city to study and send back money if the family can afford it. But a lot of times the child ends up coming home because of the hugely competitive job market or they just still lack the skills necessary.

      I lived in a village with the population of only 4000 people for a few months solid, more foreigners should do this and see some of the China that is hidden from the urban areas. It’s like going back 50 years instantly.

      • Nyancat

        Been there done that, my wife’s hometown is in a rural area, its a quaint little place except for some factory that seems to spew acrid smoke all the friggin time, but luckily her house isn’t downwind. She’s told me of a high rate of cancer in her hometown. Wow the village you went to was bigger than the one i went to, I’d estimate a 1000 people at most. I agree with you though it’s like going back in time.

      • linette

        ………the vast majority of the village heads and town mayors are more concerned with lining their pockets. A lot of them see very little value in education as many of them lack in education themselves……

        What you are saying is 100% true. That is what all my friends told me.

        1.4 billions and half of them are still poor living in rural. Many of them don’t have access to good school, medical coverage, housing, adequate public transportation. Many live in areas with pollution and factories. If they migrate to cities they are subject to segregation systerm that’s working against them. The China gov’t are oppressing these people on purpose keeping them in the bottom to exploit them. Use them as sweatshop hard labor. The whole China gov’t needs to be reform and the 90% gov’t officials need to be removed.

    • anon

      I have to wonder if Cui shouldn’t have personally contacted or wrote a letter to the Hunan Education Bureau rather than having an ordinary volunteer do it? This isn’t like contacting a single school, but rather the top education authority for an entire province, and you’re asking them to use their authority and influence to promote and organize your own event. I think it would’ve helped move things along. It’s a little like having a mere intern go negotiate a treaty with a foreign head of state. Of course, I’m assuming this is the case, unless Cui goes on to say that he was personally involved. It sounds like the bureau is saying everything was done through that Dong Feng volunteer though.

      • Nyancat

        Yeah that might have been a better way of going about this whole thing, maybe the folk at the education bureau took offence to him not coming in person. Hopefully this whole thing blows over and the education bureau decides to be more active in these programs, it sure would help those rural kids out a lot having teachers who are better educated.

  • dim mak

    >not scandalous enough
    >boring

    Almost got beat up in changsha once. Two guys with really rustic accents started making fun of my long hair and hairclips, said i looked like a girl. Gave em the finger and told em to go fuck themselves. They got off their stools are starting following me, so i turned onto the crowded main street and started goading them from a distance. Stood across an intersection in front of a big clothing store and taunted them for a minute before they yelled something and turned back. One day, I will get myself killed for shit like that, but not that day.

    In conclusion: Hunan guys = pussies. True story.

    • Alan

      In conclusion: Hunan guys = pussies.

      And just where do HK guys who emigrated to Canada rate on the I’m a hard bastard, don’t cross me scale?

    • Sponge Monkey

      A Barney fan :) Me too! In conclusion, I’m awesome! True story!

  • Sponge Monkey

    Dear China Smack… I just ran across this story in the China Daily and would absolutely love to know what the Chinese thought of this… has it made it’s way to the Chinese discussion boards yet?

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012-06/12/content_15494381.htm

    I had to look 3 times to believe it.

    • Nick in Beijing

      Garbage propaganda piece.

      Example of minor guan xi getting someone a position doing something arbitrary. This time it just happened to be “laowai gets novelty job because he is buddy-buddy-pal-pal with someone, and becomes enlightened after a whole month in-country!”

      I’ve met plenty of Chinese who are awestruck at the concept of people staying longer than a few weeks, and most laowai who come here for short stays like that are usually delusional in their opinions of China. A month just isn’t like enough to get a good look.

      • Sponge Monkey

        What I was really interested in was the reaction from the average Chinese netizen. The Cheng Guan are generally despised (from what I’ve seen and heard) in China. I’m in Shanghai and there was actually a riot here last year due to an incident with them. Couple of my friends got stuck in the mess, trying to get to the subway.

        There’s another story (by the way, this is all from Cream) that came out today about some high school kids beating a Cheng Guan guy who was harassing an old man.

        Wow, surprised this one hasn’t made it here, it’s got more than 600 comments from Chinese netizens. http://www.56.com/u65/v_NjkwODUxNTg.html

        The Tao (some of you may know who that is) posted a funny caption… “By the way, we now have an answer to the question, “How many middle school kids can you take on in a fight?”

        Not 15.”

    • Brett Hunan

      HAHA I had some old lady ask me to not jaywalk at that exact intersection in ZhuZhou in 09. When I started to walk towards the underground walkway, she sincerely thanked me for “listening to her.”

      That, and I only ever saw the chenggguan stealing illegally parked scooters in Zhuzhou. Good for them, they have advanced from thugs to nannies.

  • Cleo

    He looks like Michael on “Nikita.”

  • Kim Lee

    Calling out a department this way is either really brave or really stupid. Although it is bringing a lot more attention to rural teacher training than the issue ever could have garnered through traditional means. The only problem is that if you make an enemy of officials, the attention will probably hurt, not help. I sometimes get the feeling that people are waiting, just waiting for any door to crack open a bit so they can pour out frustration.

  • jeffli

    are you really surprised?
    there are schools with no electricity for lighting on dark cloudy days.
    no library
    no playground
    “teen age teachers”
    poisoned food for lunch (if its supplied)

    these schools are a mess.

    we could start by donating books
    functional but old computers and indoor lighting with solar electric systems to support them would be nice.

    • Sponge Monkey

      I agree with you 100%. Except I’ve never heard of teenage teachers or poisoned food… yes I remember the cafeteria riots, that was just sucky food.

      But donating books, great idea. Have to be approved books though.

      • The Enlightened One

        The teenage teachers are normally in the rural areas or smaller cities. The food poisoning is a huge problem actually. I invite you to walk past a middle or high school during lunch, doesn’t really matter which city. Do you know what you will see?

        Most likely, you will see a bunch of vendors selling the kids food through the gate. The kids prefer this food because the quality is allegedly higher and more delicious. If the cafeteria serves crappy food, the kids can’t complain, they just “suffer”. But if the vendors serve crappy food then they go out of business.

        These conditions don’t amount to EVERY school but it is far too many.

        • Sponge Monkey

          I’m a teacher (okay everyone boo hiss, throw your bottles). I am in Shanghai, though. The kids hate the food, but then again, I hated the food when I was in school. We used to always take off to the food court down the street. I thought horrible food in school was like wings on birds. Just is.

  • Greg

    So typical of this selfish corrupt place. Especially in education. Doesn’t matter if something is good for students and the country in general unless the powers that be are getting their slice of the pie they will do evrything they can to stop it.

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