CCTV’s Lack of Coverage on Henan Knife Attack Condemned

An injured child from the Henan knife attack.

One of the injured children from the December 14th Henan primary school knife attacks that occurred on the same day as the American Connecticut Sandy Hook school shooting massacre.

From Sina Weibo:

@作业本: All afternoon [December 15], CCTV has been doing a large-scale reporting and analysis of the US school shooting incident: Counting the number of shooting incidents, digging deep into the root causes of the shootings, offering suggestions, estimating the amount of firearm ownership, speculating on potential risks, condemning US President Obama… Since you are so professional, so responsible, and so diligent, how can you not report the man in Henan cutting down and injuring 22 students?

A screenshot of the CCTV News reporting the US school shooting.

Comments from Sina Weibo:

Gloria在这儿:

CCTV’s viewpoint can’t be understood by normal people like you and me.

kevin_skw:

Government leaders caring about their own children’s living environment is normal.

阿宝背书的美好生活:

[China is] doesn’t act like a large and powerful country at all, always up to some small tricks, embarrassing us Chinese people.

午夜围脖控:

Indeed, indeed, China truly is so great! Doesn’t mind its own pain, only cares for world peace!

Ev丶卢智城:

Hehehe! Not going to express any comment, I’m afraid of being reeducated through labor. [呵呵]

煎饼的围脖:

Dears, have you ever thought of what would it be like if the Heavenly Kingdom didn’t ban guns or carry out real-name registration for [the purchase of] kitchen knives?

Ninth_heaven:

It is the usual response, the mainstream media always treats [domestic tragedies] indifferently.

注册太烦:

Them still trying to keep the people in ignorance in this day and age is truly unbearable!

当九月结束的时候:

Diverting attention, avoiding the important to dwell on the trivial, telling us that although we have 22 injured, but look, they have 28 dead, so stop making a fuss and be content with things!!! I’ll bet a head of cabbage that this bastard who attacked people with a knife is either a “psychopath” or a “psychopath” [suggesting that people in China would only resort to such violence because they have mental issues and not because they might have legitimate grievances]!!!

Anastasia_黎允:

This is just how China is, never giving any explanations to its own people about things that happen in its own country, only giving results.

-_-楊苗__Wu:

Have visited the Imperial Court’s [Chinese government’s] official website, truly a joke, can’t even find a report about the 22 children who were cut down, while the US shooting incident actually got its own special column. [怒] Is the Imperial Court’s TV News broadcasted for its own people or for foreigners!!!

新疆棉胎:

Those who work in CCTV is just a bunch of people full of dog shit!!!

伊莎美尔冯炳瑞:

CCTV: Long ago become America’s paparazzi, and not the conscience of the Chinese people!

晨光19620126:

Taking care [reporting] our own matters is enough, what’s the intention behind enormously exaggerating other countries’ misfortunes?

墨客大叔:

A Don Quixote style of social bureaucracy. [愤怒]

大浪陶沙的人:

Whether it’s China smearing America or America smearing China, it’s all political necessity. Each country has its own tactics for governing itself, so just don’t go meddling for no reason. Especially the Americans, always wanting to have a say in other countries, making the whole world resent them. It’s only because they’re too powerful that no one dares to speak up.

袁梦-Airlia:

I’m also puzzled by this. They’re both school tragedies, but the US one has lots of details, while Henan Guangshan uses all sorts of means to refuse to be interviewed and seal off information.

秋声过耳:

CCAV spends Chinese taxpayers’ money, sending reporters to do on the scene live reporting of American disasters. What kind of spirit is this? This is a spirit of proletarian internationalism. If this spirit continues, it’ll become insanity!

D調Earth::

Shameless CCTV, what else can be said~ Hehe, smilence! The day CCAV shuts down is the day I celebrate with firecrackers!!

MeAngirllll:

Although China has blocked YouTube not allowing Chinese people to use it, the fact is the Americans aren’t condemn Obama. So TM ridiculous. Mind your own business. [吐][鄙视][鄙视]

胖猫恬妞:

Xinwen Lianbo these days is always the same: During the first 10 minutes the leaders are very busy, during the middle 10 minutes Chinese people are very happy, during the last 10 minutes people in the other part of the world are living in extreme misery… [衰][吐]

想做一朵在阳光里撒欢儿的绿豆芽:

It’s not just the news, even the students on RenRen are all deeply memorializing the children killed in the shooting. I actually especially want to say, the Americans don’t care about your condolences at all. If you have the time and energy to pretend to be so noble, how about go delivering a hot steamed bun for the old man begging at the bus stop!

[Note: RenRen is a Chinese social network pretty much like Facebook, with college students being its main users.]

公转字转:

Yet Another Person Seeking Revenge On Society: Netizen are forwarding that on the night of 2012 December 11 at 10:30pm, a 30-year-old man in Chengdu went crazy and began cutting down any student he saw, successively hacking four people, with one of the dead being a student from No.7 High School, who was about to study overseas in America next year. Just where is China’s public safety heading!

脚板印jisuwz:

[Because] Chinese people just rubbernecking.

咖啡猫七:

When children in America are harmed, the entire nation from top to bottom is sorrow, the president a mess of tears, and people of the whole world show their sympathy. When children in China are harmed, the mainstream media plays it down, the parents’ wails shake heaven and earth, and the officials in charge play games. [愤怒][愤怒][愤怒]

西湖烟雨迷醉:

Don’t get all excited, this will pass in another couple of days, don’t try to challenge the ZF of the Heavenly Kingdom!

生若夏花般燦爛死若秋葉般靜美:

Before when the American media was largely reporting about China’s various problems condemning the Chinese government, where were these hot-headed netizens?

油菜花-湘香:

Support the voice of justice!![good]

mayday星空_:

China knows its future leaders won’t be amongst these children, but America knows that anyone can be the future president.

Note (December 19): The original title of this article was “Chinese Netizens Condemn CCTV’s Silence on Henan Knife Attack”, reflecting the fact that the Chinese netizens translated above were critical of CCTV for not reporting the Henan school attack as of December 15th, the day after the incident. A chinaSMACK reader pointed out a CCTV report on the front page of their website, timestamped on the 17th, two days after @作业本’s original post on Sina Weibo. The title has been revised to minimize confusion centered on the word “silence”.

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  • christina

    cryin’ on my sofa :(

  • hoppy1

    Obviously I don’t know why it’s been decided to not give the incident a lot of coverage, but it could be an attempt to minimize copy cat type attacks. When there was a case of a bloke attacking kindergarten students and teachers with a knife a couple of years ago, it was quickly followed by a couple more incidents of a very similar nature. Hope the kids are all alright.

    • BiffyClanger

      Yes in fact I read a article somewhere that psychologists emphatically point out that the worst thing you can do to a school shooting/slashing incident is to give it massive coverage due to the perceived glory it gives to potential mass murderers.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        yea people here would think its fast and easy way to get reactions.

        Even the slightest event ends up on youku good or bad.

        Its a good decision.
        Every one knows about it anyway!

    • Germandude

      Ok, I forgot where I read it before, but there was a Chinese guy on one magazine interview I read that said sth like this:
      “Chinese people will not revolt against their government because they see and feel that their lives are improving. The only issue that can break the spirit of the entire nation is if children, regarded as the most innocent by Chinese and the future for their families and the entire country, are not saved. Schools and any other public places have to be secured by the government. Any attack on Chinese children is blamed on the government’s weak security and lack of action. It shows the government’s weakness and therefore, will not be covered by the media too much or blamed on others.”

      Considering how important kids are for their families future (once the parents can’t work anymore), you can go either way now:

      1.The media don’t show incidents because the government is afraid of being shown as weak
      2. The media don’t show incidents to avoid people copying attacks.

      Plus, not showing own incidents while showing the US incident shows the poor people that the outside world is a mess. In this case, they really screwed up though because of online communities.

      Tough job to be a government official. Can’t please them all.

      • BiffyClanger

        I think you nailed it.

      • filabusta

        Well said.

  • marc
    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Yup, let’s be clear about this: this news may be not as emphasized as the US school shooting, but it’s there: TV, internet, newspaper..

      You can’t blame people for thinking this story was censored (which it wasn’t) when the word “silence” is written in the title and the url code.

      “Silence” usually pertains to “not speaking at all” and “not a noise”. “Silent Night” isn’t just a quiet one, but a night in which there is no sound made, nor any news stories broadcasting such an event as the birth of Joseph’s illegitimate son.

      • Kai

        Our article titles are necessarily editorialized. However, in this case, I think it accurately reflects the sentiments in the Weibo posts and comments translated, just like not every Chinese netizen “condemns” CCTV.

        cS doesn’t try to set the record straight, it just tries to show a glimpse into Chinese internet discourse. I know this is inherently disagreeable with some but I hope that puts things in context for everyone else.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          I’m already in a can of worms with you so I won’t bring that up. But people here are saying “the Commies censored this!” when they didn’t, and yet they got that idea from somewhere.

          Not telling anyone what to do, but how about this for a title:

          “CCTV’s Lack of Coverage on Henan Knife Attack Condemned”

          • Kai

            I think that title is good. I’m just not convinced this title is bad. But I’ll talk to Peter about it. Cool?

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            What? Something I say is actually taken seriously? What am I, being reasonable or something?

          • Kai

            Of course, being reasonable and especially civil does lend itself to being taken seriously.

            Peter emailed me back this:

            By the time this weibo was posted by @作业本, the kinfe attack hadn’t been covered by CCTV at all, that’s why I used “silence”. And since now that CCTV has reported this attack, maybe the word “silence” isn’t appropriate anymore.
            I think this commenter’s complain is fair enough, it does cause a certain confusion, and it didn’t cross my mind before. So I think that we should change the title to his suggestion.

            We’ve changed the title. In defense of Peter, I do want to make clear that although this article was published on the 18th here, Peter submitted his translation on the 16th, while the CCTV repost of Dahe’s article and TV news broadcast was on the 17th.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            I didn’t expect anything at all. I distinctly said “not to tell you guys what to do”, and yet here we are. Thanks for hearing me out.

            Speaking of not telling you what to do, what’s up with Little Wolf’s ban? He flew off the handle and may have said a few things he has since regret. If he says to you that he’s sorry and will reign in his anger, will you let him back? I know you want to do the right thing.

  • Roihu

    I think there is a clear winner in the war of using soft power (not that China really cares).

    In other news, I’m happy Wikipedia lists both tragedies side by side in their front page. Although the events themselves are horrible, the attention the U.S. shooting is receiving compared to the Chinese one makes it even worse (for the Chinese, obviously).

    • donscarletti

      A big distinction is that the American students are dead, the Chinese students are somewhat sliced up, but still living. In my mind, there is a qualitative difference here.

      • donscarletti

        I might add that most of the Chinese students have scalp wounds. Scalp wounds bleed very quickly, but if the bleeding is stopped rarely cause long lasting disability or disfigurement. Nothing short of a medieval two handed sword (or Zhanmadao 斩马刀) can penetrate a human skull, even that of a child, it takes a heavy cleaver or machete to even scratch it. Bullets however have enough focused kinetic energy to go straight through.

        • mr.wiener

          This guy was obviously not in his right mind for not bring the right tool for the job.

        • linette lee

          Very sorry for those little school kids in china. I hope them a speedy recovery. I am so glad the kids parents get to hug them and kiss them. Hope they forget about this terrifying attack and move on to live a happy life and happy childhood.

          China is wrong not to do an extensive coverage on this attack on the china school kids. The china’s president needs to come out and give a speech to condole the families and ensure safer school security for china schools.

          • BiffyClanger

            I agree except for the last bit, don’t encourage the nut jobs.

          • hess

            And playing video games makes you violent, right?

          • Germandude

            50% of all gunmen watch porn.
            75% of all gunmen drink alcohol.
            95% of all gunmen are eating bread.

            Conclusion: Ban bread.

          • donscarletti

            China tops out the first few spots for mass murders despite bread never being popular and porn being almost completely unavailable until recently. Getting shitfaced on erguotou however is as Chinese as fried rice and boiled dumplings.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Not really fond of erguotou but would you believe Metro supermarket sold real northern english bitter, no more chilled chemicals in a bottle. Of course one needs to show their passport and pay accordingly, but you can buy the real deal there.

          • Kai

            LoL. Before I got to bread, I almost thought you were going to say ban men.

          • Germandude

            That was my first idea. However, imagine the shitstorm I would have received from GAB when posting this. Sometimes, it’s not smart to be brave.

          • BiffyClanger

            Well no because studies have proven link to be false thus far. Where as in the case of actually mass murders study have shown otherwise.

            I go with evidence why do you go with what you believe in your heart?

          • hess

            Show me one of those studies and I’ll gladly eat my words

          • BiffyClanger

            There is clip with expert opinion from a forensic scientist here
            http://boingboing.net/2012/12/15/charlie-brooker-on-media-cover.html

          • dave

            The china’s president needs to come out and give a speech to condole the families and ensure safer school security for china schools.

            Perhaps. But you say that as someone who comes from a democratic country.

            I think I figured out a core question regarding the nature of government:

            “Is the government’s job to serve the people, or to rule and manage the people?”

            The president giving condolences would an act of service to the people, while censors limiting access to information (as they often do) would be managing the people. Mainland government prefers to rule than to serve. Makes sense:

            “There is government, when the prince is prince, and the minister is minister; when the father is father, and the son is son.” — Master Kong

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22624249 Sean Cauffiel

    If they cover their own national tragedies, when will they have time to broadcast that of the U.S. and show how much better it is to grow up in China?

    In slightly more seriousness, hoppy1’s got a good point… bury the story, avoid copycats. The way they show wall-to-wall coverage of this stuff in the U.S., I strongly believe, fuels future massacres.

    • Daniel Tynan

      I don’t believe that. There have been several copycat knife attacks on schools in China. Luckily they are not as deadly because families in China don’t carry a weapons stash in their homes like those crazy yanks do.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22624249 Sean Cauffiel

        Right…. “if it is not covered on the news, that is absolutely zero chance of copycat stabbings” is exactly what I meant, ‘tard.

  • thmswhnr

    In some ways, abundant media coverage of a killing spree (or mass attack) can inspire more people to commit similar acts. While increasing awareness of the problems is helpful in preventing future incidents, I am thinking that other psychopathic killers will look to Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, etc. for tactics and methods, and be empowered knowing that what they do will command the world’s attention via the media, if only for a short time.

  • http://twitter.com/be_good_be_kind Be Good Be Kind

    Chinese people never ceased to complain and look at other countries with rose colored glasses. Chinese people deserve the government they get, after all Chinese people doesn’t care about their own as well.

    When Chinese people come to American they will realized how naive they are.

    • Rob Herjevac

      honestly, I dont understand why people like you continuously go to this site if you dislike Chinese people.

      • mr.wiener

        He likes some whine with his cheese.

        • BiffyClanger

          Don’t we all :)

      • BiffyClanger

        Some people come to this site precisely because they don’t like Chinese people by the look of things.

      • http://twitter.com/be_good_be_kind Be Good Be Kind

        I actually like Chinese people. I am just sick of Chinese people thinking America is grand and being brainwashed by Western medias. Just pointing out the twisted mentality of Chinese when it comes to the West.

        • http://www.facebook.com/noah.altman Noah Altman

          I don’t know what western media you are referring to. Most western media that I see would have you believe the U.S. is much worse than it is in reality. So devious is western media, that it would even have you believe that western media glorifies the U.S., which may be where you get this idea. There are exceptions, but for every film or song that waxes lyrical about how grand the U.S. is, there are at least 20 that condemn everything about it.

          • SonofSpermcube

            Popular TV shows and movies, even ones that depict the US as more violent than it is, almost always portray Americans as far wealthier than most of them are. There are a lot of peculiarities of the American economy that foreigners not only don’t understand but are completely unaware of, largely due to their impressions of the US being formed by TV and movies.

        • Charles

          Do you live in China? Do you see how complete F-ed up the society here is? Can you imagine what it’s like to have to bribe your way through life, for example? America is a mess in many respects, but by nearly every objective measure possible it is far superior to China.

          Saying this also doesn’t mean that I dislike Chinese people… It means I am paying attention or perhaps have lived here long enough to have the misery shoved in my face.

    • ASDF

      When Chinese people show discontent for their country they are Naive and Stupid. When Chinese people show gratitude for their country they are Brainwashed and stupid. There really seems to be no hope for the Chinese people, no matter what they do.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        Aside from expressing anonymous opinions on the internet, it’s not as though there is much for Chinese to actually do and participate in either way.

        Ergo, hope is irrelevant. The next 5000 years will be just the same as the last: great tasting food made at no cost, and plastic covering tacky furniture.

        • Alphy

          Wow Xenophobic? Seriously people there are a lot of Chinese everywhere, do you mind not to insult 1/5th of the world’s population? China does have a lot of problem, but to say hope is irrelevant? That’s just sad and outrageous. It is already much better now than 30 years ago, and I believe these opinions are healthy and not useless like you suggest. Without public education, and debat nothing will change. It is necessary.

          • el negro pedro

            I suggest you read some Chinese history, before you bring up the racist card. 5000 years is a long time, you think this Dynasty is going to be any different? Get a glue pal.

          • Alphy

            No one is debating China have problems here. My disagreement is on the statement that hope is irrelevant. Do you really believe that no change can come about in 1/5th of the world’s population? Don’t you think you just maybe looking through a color glass?

            China does have a long history and culture, and it is not all bad. In much of it’s history it is the center of world power and progress. Unless you really ignore a huge part of history you cannot ignore that fact. No matter what nationality or culture, it always changes through time, for better or for worst, so I wouldn’t be so quick to dismissed an entire culture based on generalization.

            And really? Are you trying to pick a fight here or something? Does that make you feel more civilized?

          • el negro pedro

            What is a Chinaman suppose to do anyway? What’s your answer smart guy? All they do is complain because they have no recourse, and in it’s their culture, as a matter of fact, to not make trouble. If you’re Chinese, you should already know this: the nail that sticks out gets hammered. Dumb fuck.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            If my innocuous comment somehow insults 1/5 of the world’s population, it is only because that many people are waiting to be insulted.

            I was responding to a comment. Check out that comment, see the context, and continue to simmer in your own juices if you’d so like.

          • Alphy

            People are waiting to be insulted? Really? All I am asking for is for people to draw the line between politics and people. If you visit China and get to know some people, I think you will find more similarities than differences. I saw the comment you are responding to and your reply, I don’t think I was mistaken to label your statement that “the next 5000 years will be the same” a sad view.

            You are correct to point out that there is a huge frustration in China’s citizen that they do not believe they have proper representation. There is enormous need for reform, and even the Chinese Gov recognized that. However do learn to separate the bad, and encourage the goods like conversation and debate that may bring about change.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            You suck at reading, so it’s not a stretch to say that you suck at arithmetic too because you can’t put 1+1 together.

            On last week’s episode (pay attention, it gets harder, she said):
            asdf (the left handed puppet jockey) was trying to make a sardonic statement by saying that the established running discourse for the anti-china forces is to damn Chinese either way they react to a situation. The Greased Seal Taxidermist said “There really seems to be no hope for the Chinese people, no matter what they do.”

            terroir (that’s me) responded to asdf, the stewardessless passenger, and made a comment to his statement that Chinese are damned by Western observers. terroir (that’s me) made the point that in the interim, to whichever situation the stalwart Chinese face themselves in, there’s nothing really for them to do – they can’t really show discontent nor gratitude for their country when they aren’t going crazy with the demo. They can’t vote. They can’t change the Par-tey going on upstairs, you just have to live with the sound of dubstep DDddwwooeuy-ing from above.

            Monkey Without a Back said “there seems to be no hope” – terroir (that’s me) said “hope is irrelevant”; as things are not in any way influenced by yourself, why be hoping at all – it’s not up to you. As the captain of the plane says, “Sit back and enjoy the ride”, much like a mustache-o-ed man in the back of an airbrushed van said more than once in the 70’s.

            The proud Chinese empire has been chugging along for 5000 years. While the common man has contributed greatly to this greatness, China’s fate has been left up to its leaders. Such is the case now; so why worry? Why hope? It’s somebody else’s problem.

            The next 5000 years will be just as sound as the last – that means they’ll be the same and operate under the same status quo, not that they’ll have similar sounding tastes in sweater rock. That’ll show that guy and his date with the four Palm sisters. Caught in a vise, he has no choice but to continue the status quo he provided for himself, thus forcing him into an Inception dream where he drives a car and rear-ends himself, thus smashing his well received witticism. How can there be “no hope” if hope is relevant?

            Operation Satire comple–

            Oh wait. There’s some guy (that’s you) who isn’t satisfied and wants internet justice. He’s waiting by the keyboard anxiously to prepare his next comment that will spread truth and justice and Robot Unicorn Attack across the land. He thinks: soon.

      • BiffyClanger

        This attitude reminds me of the British Press around 1900s exclaiming their incredulity with German made ‘tat’ and similarly around 1960s sticking their noses up at Japanese made ‘inferior electronics’. Hmmmm… I wonder what happened to the British manufacturing industry…

      • el negro pedro

        5000 thousand years of the same shit would absolutely prove your point “enlightened one”.

        you think you so smart you smug bastard, you wanna dance? Lets dance. Bring your bring logic.

    • quakfusion

      not all chinese people .Chinese women once they get to america seems to have it a bit too good. as well as a certain gay azn boi.

      • linette lee

        She acts like a dumb blonde. XD

        I like Jeremy lin too. He is hot. XD

      • Alphy

        lol thanks for the link. Glad I can see youtube again now that I am in the States.

  • peye

    When terrible things are happening the media types are elated. Something to talk and write about, to fill the days and money can be made out of the tragedies all around. Also the US National Rifle Association suggesting if more guns were in the hands of teachers and others less violence would take place is debateable. In my opinion we are dealing here with a very sick(mental)and out of control environment in general. No bitching,complaning or fault-finding people in governments or other places is going to change all this in a hurry. To change the attitudes and behaveour of millions of citicens as it is related to guns in some nations or to physical violence by other means in other nations,is a very complex problem. It may take generation to achieve if it is at all possible to do.

  • KAMIKAZIPILOT

    Doesn’t surprise me at all. Although most fail to admit to it, to many (most?) chinese people, the life of citizens in any western country, especially if they’re white, has more value than any chinese life. On the other hand if this happened in Afghanistan or Pakistan or India, the value of lives would go way down. No one can deny what I’m saying.

    • moody

      Countries where they stone women to death for reporting they’ve been raped ?
      Nha i don t think their lives are worth as much.
      More than that, I think those bearded tyrants should all be put to death, but that s just me.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        So I suppose all the people in the whole country are guilty because you know each and every one of them right? That kind of attitude is even more sickening than those who do these disgusting crimes.

        • mr.wiener

          kinda like saying you’d like 10,000 us servicemen to die for every Afghani child..you know all of them?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I said I’d rather 10,000 US servicepersons die than one Afghan. That assumes the Americans are in Afghanistan, where they shouldn’t be. If the Americans go home, I don’t wish them harm.

          • A guy

            Wow Moody and you should get a room.

            What should America do just leave Afghanistan to tear it’s self apart causing instability in the region leading to the weakening of the control that Pakistan has on it’s nukes, in turn causing a potential nuclear holocaust. So what you are really saying you would rather a billion Afghanistani, Pakistani, and Indian people die than America enforces it’s “evil” no nuclear holocaust agenda.

            WOW.

          • Germandude

            How about: The presence of western (Christian) forces in muslim countries is the problem?

          • A guy

            How about the problem of hatreds between Afghanistan, Pakistan , and India that are older than “Christian” influence mixed with Nuclear weapons is the problem?

            How about the powder keg that will blast off when a nuclear armed Israel and Iran duke it out in the region and destroy the life blood of Europe and Asia that is Middle east oil if the US wasn’t present in the region?

          • Germandude

            Jumping around with the topics a bit now, don’t we?
            I think before 1947, there was no problem between Pakistan and India.

            The problem stands: Western (Christian) forces in muslim countries cause the problem, especially since Muslim believe that non-believers (so, non-moslems) are not supposed to enter their holy territories. We can now argue if that belief is backwards or not but nonetheless, it’s their belief.

            As harsh as it sounds: Afghanistan is fucked up for centuries now. How on earth can a country from outside think it can fix the issues within Afghanistan when for centuries nobody was able to? That’s valid for Russia, USA and its allies.

            I am not commenting on Israel and Iran.

          • cc

            Before 1947 Pakistan did not exist, it was all the British Raj and if anyone stepped out of line it was a jolly good beating for all.

            Can you account for Saudi Arabia inviting non muslim labour into there country, Islamic countries are quite happy to have the infidel there when it suits them.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Western countries are quite happy to have immigrants working, when their own young people are too lazy and have to much of an entitlement mentality re: welfare to work for their money.

          • cc

            Indeed very true, but the so called immigrants were in fact originally members of the common wealth countries, who in my opinion have every right to be in the UK, not a bunch of Islamic fanatics who are there because the grass is greener than the shithole they have turned there own countries into in the name of Islam and Sharia law

          • Gaius Baltar

            Good reply, however by that logic anyone from a former soviet republic could claim they are Russian as they were once ruled politically and economically by moscow. Commonwealth to me is not the same thing as empire. Just as I, as a UK passport holder, have no right to live in say the British virgin islands,the Falklands or Gibraltar (despite being british territories!) should commonwealth citizenship equal the right to reside in the uk (not sure if you mean indefinitely with or without UK passport?!).

          • cc

            Actually you have every right to live there, but will need to apply for residence which gets granted fairly quick if your a UK citizen

          • Gaius Baltar

            Not always, at least as far as I know the Channel Islands have a very different relationship, and I think does Gibraltar. Gibraltarians can reside in the UK easily I think, but not so the other way around. Same as with HK and Mainland Chinese, swamping effect?!

          • moody

            it’s not so clear cut.
            in France for example, the welfare for immigrants is often better than for born and raised French.
            So now the “Lazy” French go back to work and immigrants keep trolling tax money.
            True story

          • A guy

            But that is the heart of the reason why the US is in those territories. You can stick your head in the sand and tell yourself that it has always been messed up and that you should just look the other way, but if you do that in a globalized world it will still come back to bite you and bite you hard. Your country reaps the benefits of the US’s “ill advised wars”.

            You think these things aren’t related? You think that one country’s problem don’t extend to an entire region, nay the entire world? It’s more complex than you think. Afghanistan is f’ed up and has been for a long time, but it must not be ignored. Just because it is hard to do doesn’t mean that it isn’t the right thing to do. American’s have died to maintain the stability you thrive on. I just hope that America can hold it all together long enough to allow the counties of the region to develop into the modern age and Israel to stop giving the Muslim world a reason to hate the west by being dicks.

            PS: It was a reference to friction between Muslim and Hindu populations for centuries in the region before the establishment of modern India and Pakistan.

          • Germandude

            I did not say that it’s an American problem. I did not say that my country is not benefitting. I did not say that it’s (only) the western fault.

            I am not willing to discuss this because it will lead to nowhere. Let’s agree that you think that foreign forces in muslim countries are part of the solution, while I say that foreign forces in muslim countries are part of the problem.

            And to cc: Colonization. One of the main reasons why certain parts of the world are screwed until today.
            I agree with you on Saudi Arabia. Religion is a strong weapon for keeping the rich in power and the poor in stupidity.

          • Gaius Baltar

            re: Colonization, just playing devils advocate here for a moment if I may, can you deny Hong Kong would be the transparent territory it has been up until now if it was not for british rule? Despite all the recent negative stuff, there is still a free press, less restricted internet compared to the mainland?

          • Germandude

            I can’t deny that. However Hong Kong is also the only example that you’ll find. Plus, don’t forget WHEN HKG was developed by the British. Now go back to the 19th, 18th and 17th century and name me a single country under British rule that benefitted from colonization.
            Spare your time. There is none.

            Hong Kong was treated differently because it was under British rule until not long ago and the world’s powers have shifted tremendously.

          • hess

            Macau, Canada, Australia, New Zeeland

          • Germandude

            I am pretty sure the natives would disagree with you.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Australia had a referendum on breaking with the Queen, it didn’t happen. Canada still seems to love the royals, or at least when william and kate went over they were well received. Granted, that doesn’t mean they are still “colonies” but they are commonwealth “realms” a very different status from other ex british ruled countries. Macau, portuguese is still the lingua franca, and there seems a much different influence of portuguese there, than say anything British in HK. Merry xmas, GB

          • Germandude

            Merry xmas to you as well.

          • cc

            Actually they all did, it was when the British pulled out that they all went to shit.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Alright, but no need to post spare your time. I’ll decide how I like to spend my own time thank you very much. I would say India benefited, railways for a nation of that size must have eased transport, not to mention their use of the English language, and the fact so many of them were able to come to the UK and prosper. But your right, not many others I can actually think of.

          • Germandude

            I am very sorry if “spare your time” did sound rude to you. If so, it was not intended. In German the saying is more translated into “don’t waste your time” and is not rude at all.

            Regarding India: While several kings in India fought with each other, England managed to negotiate deals with all of the important kings and through them gained money, wealth and power in India.

            One of the deals the british managed to get was: British goods imported to India were not taxed at all while Indian goods imported to Britain got heavily taxed. Slave trade and a significant amount of cultural goods and arts being stolen round up a good deal for England, considering that in exchange they built railways in India. Also, don’t forget that a good railway system at that time was important to quickly move an army from A to B.

          • A guy

            I can agree to disagree.

            Thanks for the talk. :)

          • Germandude

            Same here. Usually this topic leads to a flamewar within 5 posts, the reason why I don’t want to continue this further. Surprised that it hasn’t happened yet. Thanks and +1

          • cc

            It’s when the country that colonised leave, then the problems begin. I know it sounds arrogant but that is my opinion, also you have to understand that the troops are in these so called outposts because the countries in question were asked to help. Once there job is done they will withdraw. Then we will see what happens. More countries screwed up perhaps? Or just going back to the blind lawless shitholes they were

          • Germandude

            Man, I am speechless. You can’t be serious. I suggest you to have a look into the history of Africa and it being colonized. The reason why there are so many local conflicts is because most of the Africans belonged to tribes that lived like Nomads and moved around, following the great migrations of animals. Then the colonists came, signed some borders on a map, drew some lines here and there, shot some Africans and told them to settle down.

            Of course the topic is far more complex than that but your statment that when the colonists left, shit started is a bit short-sighted.

          • starting

            i disgree on the world being globalized equally. its clear japan-usa are excessively globalised but tis also quite clear afghanistan is very cut off from even the nearest neighbor the nosey Uzbekistan, america does not belong there but for some reason this american believes he will belong in a japanese cunt

          • A guy

            If you are on a computer you are benefiting from a resource that would be impossible without globalization. Afghanistan is not the most connected country. True, but they are still connected to Pakistan by a border that has many problems and therefore a disturbance in Afghanistan can cause devastating problems in the whole world. Most notably in the form of Pakistan loosing control of it’s nukes and setting off a nuclear holocaust. If you don;t know this then you don’t know much about Afghanistan.

            And what makes you think that anyone wants to see porn here.

            If I want to see porn I will go to a porn site.

            Please leave your smut out of here.

          • Gaius Baltar

            There are arab christians in Egypt, Lebanon and Israel itself. So I don’t think it is an issue of religion, merely territory ceded to the Jews by the Brits.

          • cc

            There will not be many Christians left in these parts of Arabia soon as the mussies are gradually killing them all off.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Just curious on how are they killing them off? The problem is the muslims will argue the same against the jews and secular countries like Turkey.

          • starsky

            like they did with Borat? played by jewish Cohen when he made 3 movies making fun of muslims and arabs already? recent one being the DICTATOR and yet no fatwas and jihads waged on him?

          • moody

            I think it’s ok for Muslims to make fun of Muslims.
            What might put your face on a fatwa Poster thought would be for you to make fun of the Prophet or the Kuran, or try to re interpret the Kuran.

          • moody

            edit : it’s ok in the eyes of Muslims that a non Muslim make fun of Muslims

          • Gaius Baltar

            Actually, the dictator did raise a lot of ire. Personally I found he overstepped the mark in that movie and it should not have been allowed. I would have had it banned from release in the UK, on the grounds it could inflame things.

          • cc

            Watch the news, Egypt springs to mind.

          • Gaius Baltar

            I did. And?

          • moody

            In Egypt where the Copts are being persecuted but not only.
            Algeria, Tunisia, Iraq, India and Indonesia.

        • moody

          Never said i knew each and everyone of anyone.
          What i mean is that the Sharia is one thing that should be wiped out from the face of the earth.
          For everyone’s benefit.

          Few questions for you.

          Wasnt the leader of the islamic republic of Afganistan -rabanni something- in forced exile before the States sent troops ?
          Wasn’t he recognised by most nation as being the legitimate leader of Afg. (pointless to mention Saudi Arabia’s opinion, nobody should give two flying fuck about what they think anyway, Thank you).

          Hasn’t he been kicked out by the taliban ?

          So let me guess, cease power by force : totaly normal.
          Local rebels fighting for years without any help or support : totaly normal, they should be able to do it on their own.
          Developped nation use it’s armed forces to help the rebels ceasing the power back : MURDER

          ?????????

          that’s your logic ?

          Well dear Kamikaze, Maybe you should drive that plane of yours right up Armeninejad’s ass and spare us of your stupidity

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I don’t know about Rabanni?? I do know that the Taliban were generally considered an illegitimate government by most of the world. I don’t like Sharia Law in it’s strictest form, however a more moderate form may be okay. However, I think it’s for each individual country to decide for themselves, not have a western form of law and governance forced upon them.

            Admit it’s not an easy fix but this heavy-handed interference by America in local Afghan affairs is viewed by the general populace as another form of imperialism. My main gripe is America forcing their influence and ways upon others for their own benefit. Just put yourself in the shoes of the average Afghan (armed foreign soldiers having authority over you, breaking into your house in the middle of the night, not being subject to your laws). No I guess you can’t do that.

            You’re an idiot if you can’t even see both sides of the argument. It’s people like you who make me wish more Americans soldiers died or are disbabled so they can never fight again and oppress others.

          • A guy

            Your wish for suffering of others is the greatest hypocrisy.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            If wishing for the death or disability of an invading military who wants to enforce their will upon me, doesn’t speak my language or understand my culture and considers me an enemy if I don’t agree with them is considered hypocrisy, then call me a proud hypocrite.

          • A guy

            So what country are you from?
            Are you an Afghan?
            Are you a Iraqi?

            If not then what the fuck are you talking about?
            If you aren’t then go hug a member of the Taliban, see if they accept you, speak your language, understand you culture (or care for it much), and view you as a friend.

            If you are from that country then you have the right to vote on the continued acceptance of US aid in the fight against the Taliban, or other insurgents or not. If you are from Iraq ask yourself whether or not you think that the Baath party was a good government, or if you would prefer subjugation under Iran. If you are from Afghanistan then ask yourself if you want to lick the boots of the Taliban. If yes was your answer then by all means dare to be stupid. If no was your answer than quit being a hypocrite and pick up a gun or ballot and fight the good fight.

            If you are from any other country, you have the choice to not support the efforts and have a differing opinion and not invoke my wrath or condemnation, but to wish for the deaths of men who are sent there under the banner of aiding a country (whether you think that is what is going on or not that is what they are told they are doing) you can go to hell. I hope you can realize what a douche you are being. If not eat a dick.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I’m American. Since when do you have to be a specific nationality or race to discuss the problems of others. Actually I guess I’m acting very american in that I involve myself in everyone’s business whether they like it or not. I don’t care for the Taliban and they are definitely not my friend. I’m just saying the US invading and occupying their country is a greater wrong than what the Taliban are doing.

            The banner is aiding another country but the reality is fighting for the political and economic interest of the US government, not freedom. Yes troops are pawns, but they still are responsible for their actions. People are dying in Afghanistan because of decisions the US has made. Would it be better if I said I wish for the tranqualization and removal of US troops in Afghanistan? Maybe that would make you feel better. I’d never purposely be a douche. I believe I am in the right. Eat a dick? What kind of insult is that? I don’t really want to follow what you do in your spare time. Maybe you can ask “Gay Azn Boi” to join you. I think we’re done here with this debate.

          • A guy

            Yep, I think so too. You can’t teach people like you. You are a traitor to your nation for the sake of angst. I hope you can be helped by someone with more patience and more compassion.

            Have a nice life, and yes do please eat a dick, whilst simultaneously churnin the butter of two men so that your mouth cannot speak and you fingers cannot type and the internet can be a better place if only for 5-30 minutes.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            You don’t even know what a traitor is. You sound like you haven’t learned anything since 3rd grade so who are you to talk. I have more compassion then you’ll ever have, albeit for different people. It’s you who need help. Well thanks for wishing me a nice life, I already have one, but I don’t think you mean it. You’re obsessed with eating dicks, you must have a lot of experience with that activity. Overcompensating for your own shortcomings are we? I suggest you pour acid down your throat and amputate your own fingers, it may hurt now, but it’ll do you good in the long run.

          • moody

            “a moderate form of the Sharia”

            Suuuuuuuuuure, coz all the bearded dudes are well known for their tolerance and mild opinions.

            If it were up to them, the “crusaders” would be dead, the women married and pregnant at 8yo, and the men living in caves or forced to farm opium to pay for Taliban warfare.

            It’s very easy to entertain yourself with such opinions when you live confortably in a free OR modern enough country …

            Well, you ask me to put myself in the shoes of the average Afghan people -well i am of Tunisian decent not Afghan- , but to my understanding , the average Afghans were under the tyranic oppression of a few armed thugs called the Talibans.

            and If a few average citizens get killed in the crossfire of freeing a country of it’s dicators … …. i regard it a collateral damage.

          • mr.wiener

            Moderate form of Sharia? Is that like getting a little bit stoned for adultery and an over enthusiastic pedicure for theft?
            Competition time!
            Best entry for “moderate Sharia law” gets a virtual crate of non alchohol beer.

          • Germandude

            It’s not considered rape if the attacker is wearing a condom.

            I want a crate of real alcoholic beer. Thanks.

          • Gaius Baltar

            As opposed to non alcoholic beer?

          • Germandude

            Nope. Opposed to Wiener’s suggestion of “virtual crate of non alchohol beer”.

          • Gaius Baltar

            :) It’s all just joshing, nothing wrong with that. Will keep your mind sharp and young.

          • moody

            Oh god you dear Sir made my day

            I think something like that yes, gotta ask the Kamikaze to be sure though.

            Softcore Sharia, Chinasmackers bring it on :
            How about a short hair cut for Gay Azn Boy.

          • A guy

            Stoning with nerf brand stones.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            So I guess they should just follow all western laws and customs right? So in other words the US is the standard for good right? If that’s what you think then there’s no use arguing. I guess the US knows what’s best for the rest of the world (sarcasm intended just in case you didn’t know).
            There are many Afghans who want a return to the Taliban and many who don’t, but I’m sure all of them want the “crusaders” gone from their land.
            I wonder why some dictators are supported by the US and some the US can’t wait to depose. I thought all dictators were bad.
            We’re worlds apart on our school of throught. No way we’ll ever come close to agreeing so no use trying. Let’s just both think how we want and let it be already. We both think we’re the good guys and each other is bad. What fun is the world without a little conflict.

          • Gaius Baltar

            True, and this virtual sparring is better than fist fighting in person and will keep you mentally sharp and young.

          • cc

            You sir, are an arsehole. Can’t you see that these fanatical Muslims only intention, is to take the more moderate Muslims and put them back into the dark ages under Sharia law. These people want all none believers of Islam to convert and any who defy them are killed all in the name of Islam and Sharia law. They need to be exterminated. There is no other side of the argument.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I’d rather be an asshole than a dumbass bitch like yourself. If they want all non-believers to convert why no attacks in S. America (predominately Christian), or Japan or S. Korea? Why not just let them kill each other. The US shouldn’t be invading their countries, end of story.

          • Gaius Baltar

            You make a valid point there. Let’s face it, there hasn’t been a ton of al qaeda activity in latin america, if any. The only issue I take is when muslim immigrants pick at neutral countries like norway or switzerland, norway’s involvement in the mid east is minimal at best, yet they still call for a sharia zone in Oslo, or demand Switzerland change their flag from a white cross because it is “christian” and thus deemed offensive. You move to someone elses country, you accept their flag, not try to change it, it’s like going into someones house who is putting you up, and demand they change their wallpaper, not a good example, but my point is it’s downright ingrateful and rude.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Your point about Muslims trying to turn non-muslim countries into Muslim ones is spot on. Agree 100%. When you move to another country you live by their rules. There’s even a group of Muslims in Britain that want to turn Buckingham Palace into a mosque. Just ridiculous. But you have to remember these are fringe movements. I doubt any significant portion of Muslims agree with this. Kind of like those anti-government groups in various countries. But there are much more significant numbers of muslims that don’t want the US messing in their business overseas.

          • cc

            You really don’t get it, do you? The only dumbass bitch here is you, as you are obviously in denial of the true cause of Islam. Go spend some time with a devout Muslim and ask him to explain the Koran to you.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            No, I do get it, and despite disagreeing with you I understand your logic but don’t agree. You could replace the Muslims with Buddhist monks or Hindus for all I care. I’d still feel the same. It’s more about imperialism than religion.

          • cc

            Apart from Iraq, all the other Islamic countries with coalition forces in attendance requested assistance. I’m pretty sure the majority of the troops policing these shitholes on behalf of the future corrupt governments, would sooner pull out and let the Muslim idiots exterminate each other. I also very much doubt Buddhist monks or Hindus would be willing to become suicide bombers.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Regarding Afghanistan, I guess it’s kind of like destroying someone’s town (deposing the Taliban) and then justifying your presense in their land because they’ve accepted your help (what choice do they have) to try to rebuild their town according to your standards. I don’t buy for a second that the occupying nations are in Afghanistan for the good of the Afghan people as the primary reason. Your insistence on making this a religious matter decreases your credibility even more. You’d rather have Afghans die, I’d rather have Americans die, and if possible we both wish no one would die and peace would prevail on Earth.

          • cc

            Its got to the point where i wish you would die, you ignoramus.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Wishing death to a person who disagrees with you on the internet shows what a crybaby bitch you are. Can’t debate like a real man. I bet when your mommy doesn’t give you your favorite dessert you throw a tantrum. Kiss my asshole, you waste of life.

          • mr.wiener

            Lordy! get a hotel room you guys.
            Kaz, I should point out in passing that you are in fact arguing with a twat.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            That’s obvious in more ways than one.

          • cc

            You’re not right in the head are you. You would rather have Americans die! And then accuse me of being a crybaby bitch because i wish death on you. Methinks you take yourself too seriously, wanker.
            @ whiner, go back to your bedroom and play with your own toys, you wouldn’t know a twat if it was hovering over you’re nose.

          • mr.wiener

            My inner child is crying with the force of your retort :)

          • cc

            Only on the extra large Napolitana pizza.

          • Gaius Baltar

            You would rather have Americans die!

            I don’t think that is what kamikazi is trying to get across. Whole world of difference between american civilians going about their daily life and american contractors and soldiers. You choose to put yourself in a warzone, it rains, you get wet.

          • cc

            Ever been to one?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            That’s what I’m trying to tell that balls for brains. But he’s so dense nothing gets through his thick skull.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            So you wish death upon someone who merely has an opinion different than you and you say I’m not right in the head? Pretty fucked up logic you use. US soldiers are taking actions that result in the deaths of Afghans. I’m merely taking a side in the war/occupation. Take myself too seriously? What is that even supposed to mean? Wanker? Is that your pet name for one of your sex toys?

          • cc

            You are one of my sex toys, i masturbate to your whiny girly replies, now go away and die.

          • mr.wiener

            And they said the art of conversation was dead.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            So I get your pussy wet huh? Well I do have that effect on women. Again with the death wishes, I see creativity isn’t your strong point. I don’t wish death upon you, just that you go to Afghanistan and lose 3 limbs (I’ll leave one for you to wipe your ass) and come back with PTSD and have to suffer for eternity. See how creative I am.

          • cc

            I’m going to leave this link here for you. Try to read it before you die.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9762745/Christianity-close-to-extinction-in-Middle-East.html

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            If you posted that link 10 posts ago I might have read it, but you’ve proven yourself unable to have a civilized discussion so no thanks.

          • peterphanlc@gmail.com

            you’d be speaking nazi instead mouthing along to coldplay in your fucking pubs with a pint if it weren’t for Americans you daft cunt.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            “peterphanlc@gmail.com ”

            Hey petey, your dirty laundry is showing.

          • peterphanlc@gmail.com

            This is coming from someone with British friends and a British Flatmate, how are you wishing American soldiers death? They are following orders and are probably truly believe they are protecting freedom. Your comment is way out of line. You can criticize American policy all you want but attacking rank and file soldiers is not okay.

    • mr.wiener

      Could you give me a list in descending order of different nationalities order of importance [as fatalities]? I’m thinking Americans somewhere near the top and Somali’s somewhere near the bottom.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        You are correct. Here’s my incomplete listing of whose lives chinese value most, just for fun:
        1. White Americans
        2. White from other western countries
        3. Native Chinese
        4. Other asians (not incl. Japanese)
        5. Non-black Others (non-white Americans, peoples from S. America, Arabs, Pacific Islands, etc.)
        6. Any kind of black people
        7. Japanese anywhere (although it will get plenty of media coverage in China)
        If you know the Chinese at all I think you’d more or less have to agree with that order, right?

        • mr.wiener

          How come they like Japanese music, fashions and porn then?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Sorry but porn isn’t an indicator of who you really value. Music, fashion to some extent but those are only superficial. Deep down Japanese are at the bottom of their list. C’mon don’t you agree with my list?

          • mr.wiener

            Porn isn’t an indicator of what you value, more an indicator of what you desire or desire to be. I think at bottom many Chinese are resentful and jealous of the Japanese.
            I agree with your list with some reservations.

          • Gaius Baltar

            But chinese boys have to keep it zipped up, and so should you my good man. Your spine and mind will be stronger for it!

          • mr.wiener

            Chinese boys keep it zipped? only until they make lots of money then it’s Wang’s time to play..
            [ Northwesterngal I’m using this expression on purpose]
            My spine and mind are fine. I find yoga and rugby surfices for the former and impro-theatre for the latter, all the rest is sausage.

          • Gaius Baltar

            That’s good. Also eating cornflakes will help you resist the urge. Chinese men know it is bad to release your seed when it is not urgent to do so.

          • mr.wiener

            Good think I’m not Chinese then. If you don’t use it it might drop off! That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it.

          • Gaius Baltar

            I and yahweh and the chinese students will pray for you. At the least, your spine will stay strong, if you can adhere.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            “I think at bottom many Chinese are resentful and jealous of the Japanese. ” Exactly right, but Chinese will never admit to being jealous.

            C’mon you’re a man right? Just because you wanna bang some chick doesn’t mean you love or even resect her. Hell you could hate her and still want to bang her.

          • mr.wiener

            Sufficient to say the relationship between the Chinese and the Japanese is a complicated one of hatred/jealousy/reluctant admiration. The relationship most [not all!] Chinese have with their darker skinned asian cousins or Africans is merely one of indifference or dislike.

          • linette lee

            I don’t agree.

            Many Chinese don’t hate Japanese. They don’t like it with the diaoyu island and the nanking massacre/rape, and their jap politicians consistently denying about nanking. But many Chinese don’t hate Japan or Japanese. Or else why so many support and donations from Chinese when Japan got hit with earthquake and tsunami?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Of course many Chinese don’t hate the Japanese, I know that personally as fact. However, relatively speaking, compared to all others on that list, Japanese are at the bottom. I don’t think anyone can deny that. However, I know that doesn’t stop many Japanese/Chinese couples from loving each other.

        • Gaius Baltar

          I’d argue British people (opium wars, colonizing hong kong, yuanmingyuan) are perhaps hated more than Americans but not as much as japanese….although we will never really know for sure.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Are you serious? Many chinese love British and Americans as long as they’re white. Amoung the common people and in everyday life, chinese respect and admire British and Americans, although I know they feel inferior to them. Japanese are most hated, although there are exceptions, and the CHinese won’t admit it but they also feel inferior to the Japanese.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Well I’m white british, although not what they expect, perhaps more roman in me than blue eyed blonde haired englishman, if I grew a beard out, I actually got called “xinjiang ren” on a few occasions in China. But thanks for your words, nice to know we are not as hated as the “ta ma de ri ben gui zi”! Are you yourself japanese kamikazip? Merry Xmas.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I guess it’s also a matter of perception. Each person sees things differently through their own colored lenses. I am an american (3rd generation) of japanese descent. My chinese friends and girlfriend sometimes let me know their feelings about japanese, often in a joking, but honest way because they know me well. I almost never argue with them and often agree and just joke back because I also see their point of view. I’m not really into racial pride and things like that so it doesn’t bother me. Even though I’m an american to them I’m still a japanese, even though if I lived in Japan I’d probably never fit in. I just ask them to apply the same standards to everyone. Seems like many Chinese are willing to overlook the Opium wars and 8 nation alliance but keep dwelling on WWII. That’s a double standard. Merry XMas to you too.

          • Gaius Baltar

            I agree it is a double standard. What they need to learn is you are born in America, 3rd generation, you probably know less about sushi and wasabi than a gaijin who lives in Japan, but unfortunately chinese don’t view things that way. I have a british “mate” married to a wife in guangdong, has two kids with his chinese wife, two apartments in guangdong province, every time he comes back he tries to go through passport control with his chinese green card, they refuse, he has to go in the foreigners line. Where is the point you stop being a laowai and become a citizen? Seems there is no integration or assimilation possible in China.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Due mainly to the lack of diversity and fairly limited access to information, most chinese think everyone fits into a neat little group. A lot of ignorance regarding foreigners in China. A laowai will never be fully accepted as Chinese in our lifetime so your friend has no hope in this. When you think about it, it seems likely that at least 99% of the chinese population has never in their life had significant interactions with anyone not chinese (or one of the ethnic minorities in China). So sometimes it’s hard to blame them.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Valid point. Most never eat or even talk to an uighur, if they don’t attempt to understand people in their own country, how the hell can they understand the waiguoren?!

        • donscarletti

          Shift them all down:

          1. Chinese killed by foreigners.

          Nothing pissess off the Chinese like one of their countrymen being killed by some foreign devil, be the devil white, filipino or negro.

          Chinese being killed by other Chinese is considered normal around here, if you play in hard mode you tend to die a lot after all. But wait to see what happens when one of their own is killed by an outsider.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I’ll agree with that but I think it has more to do with the insecurities of the average Chinese person than with actual love of their fellow chinese. They put on a big show to show everyone how proud they are to be Chinese, covering up their own insecurities of feeling inferior to foreigners. Some chinese are like this but not all.

          • Starsky

            Kim Jong Il once said “The easiest message to tell any group of people, be it koreans,jews chinese french etc. Is to tell them that they are superior to everybody else”. in case of any society thats true

        • ScottLoar

          The Order of Chinese Ranking by Importance:

          1)Mainland Chinese

          2)Singaporeans

          3)Other Chinese

          4)Germans and Dutch

          5) Westerners, i.e. Western Europeans and North Americans, Jews

          6, 7, 8, 9) A very big gap

          10)Japanese (to be Publicly Hated)
          11) Koreans (Not to be Imitated)
          12) White People Not Otherwise Listed (Latin Americans Don’t
          Count)
          13, 14, 15, 16) Yet another very big gap
          19) Asians But Definitely Not Indians
          20) All Others (Why Even Classify?)

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            So you’re saying Mainland Chinese value Mainland Chinese lives the most? No way. They’re basically indifferent, unless of course any kind of foreigner kills them. What makes German and Dutch different? Koreans? I don’t agree with your list at all.

          • ScottLoar

            The list is titled The Order of Chinese Ranking by Importance. Not which lives are valued, but who is considered most important, superior in the world.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I still don’t agree because I know most chinese don’t consider themselves superior to white people or even Japanese people. Are you Chinese yourself?

          • ScottLoar

            No, I’m not Chinese. Being Chinese makes you an expert? Your opinion is correct if Chinese? That’s foolish. (That’s like Chinese people trying to tell a native speaker of English how to translate from Chinese to English.)

            Mainland Chinese do consider themselves superior to white people and Japanese, all in all very close to the list I gave. They think themselves morally superior, they think themselves intellectually superior, they think themselves more clever, harder working and especially more deserving. In the line-up for just deserts the mainland Chinese think they should be at the head of the line.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Being chinese doesn’t make you an expert but I just wanted to see where you were coming from because IMO what you said is what I think a lot of Chinese would have said in my experience.

            I just can’t agree with you saying that Mainland Chinese consider themselves superior to whites and even japanese. I have many reasons but I’m sure you also have your reasons so I won’t get into those. But I do agree they consider themselves superior to all others, except in terms of physical strength.

          • ScottLoar

            “I just wanted to see where you were coming from because IMO what you said is what I think a lot of Chinese would have said in my experience.”

            “I do agree they consider themselves superior to all others, except in terms of physical strength.”

            That was illustrated by my list, and we both agree.

          • Gaius Baltar

            I think Chinese do consider themselves superior to others who are non chinese. Then there is the way chinese people from HK and Taiwan look down on mainland chinese.

          • ScottLoar

            From the legation of Lord Elgin to the present, Chinese resentment of Westerners has not changed. Mainland Chinese in particular resent Western prosperity as ill-deserved, deride our knowledge of their language, culture and civilization, ridicule our institutions and deny our morality. At the very worst, Chinese deny our humanity and consider all others as something very much less than Chinese.

          • Gaius Baltar

            The problem is for all their arrogance and stupidity, they do not realise the English (and Scots) believed themselves a long time ago to be the master race on the basis that the more northern countries were superior and southern countries were lesser. Hence the reason scots don’t like and feel naturally superior to English, northern English look down on Southern English, and Southerners feel superior to everyone else in the UK (perhaps because london is in the south?!). They resent our prosperity, because they had their own period, and in modern parlance, blew it. Yes they invented fireworks and paper money, but they haven’t really invented anything of much bloody use since. That argument they come out with that only Chinese can learn and speak chinese language is nonsense too, I’ve met many people in Guangdong who can’t speak or speak crappily accented mandarin, but then people from guangdong/guangxi are cousins of viets in my ears and eyes. Their morality? walking past a dead kid in the street, refusing to call an ambulance, taking photos of a car wreck on iphones, pissing and shitting anywhere not their own home, shouting, pushing, some moraility eh? Good post though, wonder if the wumaos will now answer you?

          • el negro pedro

            This coming from a man who married a Chinese. What does that make you then you fucking freakshow?

          • Jennster

            we acknowledge individual westeners can be very kind and help poor villages, beggars than ordinary chinese would. but we resent their govt like the west and some chinese resent chinese govt.

          • ScottLoar

            Jennster, the Chinese think themselves morally and intellectually superior. Chinese commonly see Westerners as randy and undisciplined, and simple; both Western men and women are seen as overgrown children.

          • Jennster

            I think that is only for the rich Chinese provinces not the poorer regions. The poorer regions look up and compare themselves to USA and democracy due to the poorer state they are in. But we can’t split the govt time between regions. Only time and ore growth and moneycan solve this.

          • ScottLoar

            I saw those same attitudes in Taiwan in the 70’s at school. But Taiwan has evolved and in time mainland China will evolve similarly to Taiwan. No, the results will not be the same, but similar.

          • Gaius Baltar

            True. Although I begin to wonder will China ever be able to emulate places like HK, Malaysia, Singapore and Taiwan. The problem is changing their mindset first, realizing it is not ok to crap and piss everywhere, litter, and generally think of number 1 all the time. It speaks volumes one of the best cities for traffic in China is Xiamen, and that is only because they have an aussie designed road system, even with all that, it’s still not perfect.

          • Gaius Baltar

            I remember one Chinese girl telling me western women are so open and such crap, yet this from a girl in a bar wearing hotpants, downing glasses of beer and smoking. What’s chinese for hypocrisy?

          • ScottLoar

            偽君子, but that doesn’t apply to the little girl you met; she just typically lacks self-reflection, mouthing the platitudes she’s heard over and over.

          • Jennster

            we don’t split people up by race. most chinese call those living in the west westeners and all foreigners as waiguoren. so if some do feel superior they would just put them in the centre and all other people are 2nd. this was when china was flourishing but as we all know this type of mentality and arrogance enables a nation to fall faster. on the contrary if you underestimate youself (but not too much) you can be tops longer.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I live in the west (USA), I’m an Ameriacn, however I doubt I’ll be categorized the same as a white or black person that is also American. Chinese do split up people by race, not all foreigners are the same.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Well said. Chinese don’t really get the whole 3rd generation thing. I have overheard Chinese working abroad calling others laowai when they are in their country. I reckon it’s a definite concept of middle “zhong” and out “wai” regardless of where they find themselves sadly.

          • el negro pedro

            Still living on another fucking planet I see. Let me know when you’re back from planet krypton. I’ll buy you a fucking clue.

          • ScottLoar

            “Fucking” is your only adjective, used in every sentence, and usually coupled with an insult. You’re so degraded this is all you have left. Don’t you think your time could be better spent in self-improvement rather than heckling on-line?

          • Jennster

            this is for shanghai but not for rest of china LOL

          • mr.wiener

            Could you LTY rather than LOL all the time?

          • Jennster

            Singapore Chinese hate mainland Chinese online but they are really nice irl. I went to malaysia and singapore and the chinese there are proud they are ethnic chinese and all know how to speak mandarin. taiwan is the second nicest. hong kong being the rudest with a bit of inferiority complex that i can’t pinpoint. :)

          • ScottLoar

            Of course the Chinese in Malaysia and Singapore are proud to be Chinese, but while doing so they do disassociate themselves from the mainland Chinese whom they consider coarse, pushy, arrogant, insensitive and scheming. Mainland Chinese are not the same as locals: A common local comment is 大陸妹, and everyone knows what that means. Almost all my neighbors in Malaysia speak Mandarin; again, this does not mean they support mainland China. The courtesy of people in Malaysia and Singapore – no matter Chinese, Indian or Malay – is a legacy of the British.

            Some mainland Chinese can fit in, but most cannot change their ways, especially when driving or buying.

            Hong Kong Chinese have a problem of identity, especially now that the present Hong Kong has not the status it had 30, 20 or even 15 years ago. They fear and resent mainland Chinese, and Hong Kong Chinese see their distinctive city becoming more and more like mainland China.

          • Jennster

            Singapore is a different country from China of course they are entitled to be seen as different citizens. However, from my experience, they openly say “im singaporean chinese” or “im ethnic chinese from singapore” and they are friendly and nice to Chinese tourists, and act normal and ‘human’. I don’t know about how they treat mainland Chinese immigrants though. Even though a lot of my fellow Chinese aren’t that attracted to their tropical looks, they are an okay bunch in general.

          • ScottLoar

            I agree with you and what you describe. Mainland Chinese immigrants to Singapore are tolerated even if not welcomed at times; the jokes in Singapore about mainland Chinese reflect this:

            Four girls – an American, a Japanese, a Singaporean and an mainland Chinese – take the same small ferry to cross the water. A wind comes up and threatens the boat, so the ferryman tells them to cast useless things overboard to lighten the weight.

            The American girl, “I’ll throw my jewelry overboard, we’ve got lots of gold in the US.”

            The Japanese girl, “I’ll throw my electronics overboard, we’ve got lots of electronic stuff in Japan.”

            The Singapore girl, “I don’t know what to throw overboard, we don’t have much of anything in Singapore. Oh! I know!”, and then throws the mainland Chinese girl overboard.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Even though a lot of my fellow Chinese aren’t that attracted to their tropical looks

            Mainland chinese code for = brown, dark

          • Gerhana

            The legacy of the British here is the distrust among each race, not politeness or courtesy. We had enough of the British divide and conquer scheme and their condescending attitude, that we decided to get rid of them, peacefully and courteously, as is the way of our custom. Though people are people everywhere. it is offensive that you say it is the legacy of the British. It is not.

          • ScottLoar

            Acknowledging strangers with a greeting, opening doors for strangers, saying “please” and “thank you”, queuing, waiting for your turn, yielding to others when driving, civic responsibility is a legacy of the British, and denying so doesn’t change that fact.

            The British in Malaysia left peacefully and courteously, even to the former British Queen’s representative leading the crowd to proclaim “Merdeka!” seven times on the occasion of Malaysia’s formal independence. The British also left functioning infrastructure and institutions, hardly the stuff of a divide and conquer scheme.

            The distrust among each race came forth in the riots of ’69 and has scared the races ever since then into a loose tolerance. Mahathir’s book The Malay Dilemma came out in 1970 and consequently the bumiputera policies. I support 1Malaysia.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Well said. And from the one time I did visit malaysia, as a brit, I was met with nothing but kindness and politeness. I would say the brits definitely left some good aspects of their legacy there.

          • Gerhana

            impressive, are you a historian?

          • ScottLoar

            History is only a hobby, but such matters interest me since I’ve spent some decades in the Far East and Southeast Asia. Still here as a matter of fact, and I do like Malaysia. Those not observing the courtesies are invariably Middle East or Mainland Chinese tourists. Most young Western tourists are slightly bizarre but harmless, just out to try something new, and the older Western tourists seem so careful and fragile; it’s hard to believe young and old are from the same culture.

          • Gerhana

            I have a personal question to ask, are you visiting these place for working purposes? how did you manage to live in these place for a long time? This knowledge might be useful for me. I have an ambition to work around the world, especially in places that are still developing.

          • ScottLoar

            I am the Asia-Pacific Regional Manager for a US manufacturer and responsible for initiating, developing and managing distribution of a commercial product throughout 14 countries in the Region. I live in the Region by choice with residences in both Shanghai and Penang, both bought earlier and well before real estate prices doubled then tripled and more in both locales. Still, I’ve been associated with this area since I was 18 years old, and employed for the Region by different companies since my late 20’s. I didn’t come about this by accident or without qualified by practicable experience, competency in Mandarin, and – well, luck always play a part, and benefited from persons who accept me as their own. Mine has been a fortunate life.

          • Gerhana

            I understand. Grateful for your answer.

          • vincent

            That’s very true, while studying in Penang I noticed that the mainland Chinese that has enrolled were prone to forming tight knit groups which had an adverse effect on their education, the reason being that they came to learn English which they were unable to pick up due to their proclivity to speaking in Mandarin.
            The Singaporeans too are as worried as the HK’ers about mainland Chinese coming in droves and taking over the place, the main problem is that the mainlanders don’t try to mingle or assimilate with the local population.

            Out of all the Chinese students that came to Penang to study there was this one girl who was more outgoing and friendly than the others, we now have a child. :)

          • ScottLoar

            Vincent, agree with your insights and I do appreciate your sincere comments but – and excuse me if my question is out of place – well, you married that girl, right? Yes?

          • vincent

            Yes I did! Your questions are most welcome, we’ve been married for 4 years now, have a beautiful son and currently live in Zhuhai (I prefer the quiet) , but I’ll be heading to Dubai for work and business, a prospect that is bittersweet as I have to be away from my family.
            We both miss Penang as it’s a friendly place with great food, we however do intend to take advantage of the MM2H (Malaysia My Second Home) program for my son’s education, we both spent 5 years in Penang so we’re not exactly strangers to the area.
            I’m glad that you’ve had an interesting life as well being happily married :)

          • ScottLoar

            Good man, a child deserves responsible parents (when we meet I’ll tell you more). When you come to Penang your wife, child and yourself are welcome to visit my wife and I at Seri Tanjung Pinang; I don’t know how to work out the communications but you’re welcome. Both men and women like my wife (she’s Chinese from Taiwan, 外省人) , she is truly the better half so do not hesitate to continue with this.

          • vincent

            I look forward to meeting you and better half ( my wife is also without a doubt my better half) in the future, my Penang plans are still a ways off so here’s to hoping we keep our lines of communication open till then, if not it’s still been a pleasure making your acquaintance, best of luck in the future to you and your lovely wife.

          • ScottLoar

            I reciprocate your kind thoughts.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Zhuhai is ok for China. I used to live just up the road in Zhongshan. Don’t really like Macau too much though.

          • vincent

            Yeah Zhuhai is alright it doesn’t have the hustle and bustle of other cities which I quite prefer, I only go to Macau for a bit of shopping, but I think that its quite a nice place, there’s some good Portuguese food :)

          • Gaius Baltar

            the main problem is that the mainlanders don’t try to mingle or assimilate with the local population.

            Same in any country. Although to be fair some of the chinese in spain I have met do employ locals, and intermarry and so on.

    • starsky

      looks like too many Chinese dont value the lives of non-christians either:Police seized leaflets, video
      discs, books and other apocalyptic materials in the recent arrests of
      101 people across eight provinces and regions, from the prosperous east
      coast to less developed western China, the Xinhua News Agency said.

      Nearly half those detained are reported to be members of the group Almighty God, which is also called Eastern Lightning, after a phrase from the Bible’s Book of Matthew. Widely regarded as a heretical Christian sect,
      the group preaches that Jesus has reappeared as a woman in central
      China. It has been accused of targeting Christians, kidnapping and
      beating them to force conversions.

  • Web_of_Lies

    It’s because the Communist authorities are cowards and sadly is how they deal with all issues – they rather sweep social issues like this under the rug and pretend it never happen.

  • Duke

    This is nothing new. It’s not even limited to The TV. Turn on the radio and count how many times you hear “mei guo” I have to take a taxi a lot for work and every time the cabby has the news on all I hear is mei guo this and mei guo that. It’s like an obsession.

    • donscarletti

      It’s because freedom to speak freely and publicly about American politics extends to China. In China, Chinese politics may be discussed either freely or publicly, but never both. In America, one has the right to say what they like about the Chinese leadership, but Americans mostly have little interest in the topic.

      • Germandude

        Absolutely right. What is also interesting here is that one can find quite an amount of Chinese that have pretty huge knowledge about America, including its system of democracy and the differences between American Democracy and most European democracies (spelling?).
        However, their knowledge about Chinese politics or current incidents inside China are very limited. And often, people fail to reflect on that.

        Sometimes, mostly with Chinese that have studied/lived abroad, I see that they are willing to criticize their own government/country/people without the fear of losing face. Mostly not that straight forward but indirectly such as: “Our media reported much about the shooting in the US. Truely nobody in China would ever attack kids in China” (followed by a blinking eye)

        • hess

          I’ve got a lot of friends who can’t believe that Sweden is a democracy, “but you have a king”

          • Germandude

            Hold on, who is Carl XVI Gustaf then?

          • hess

            The king and führer of the Swedish reich. The thing is that they cant imagine a country with a king being a democracy

          • Germandude

            I know. Since the movie “Sissie” is always shown here and a lot of girls like it, Sissie is popular. One day a girl asked me why we evil Germans didn’t allow the Austrians to have Sissie anymore.

            I was like: “??? what the ??? I don’t even…???”

          • hess

            I have no idea what that movie is about.. But I’,m sure it was all your fault! Evil German!

          • Germandude

            Sooo, you say: “Evil German!”

            Germany is famous for beer and cars and then people like you pop up and tell us “Don’t drink and drive!”

            Evil Hess!

          • hess

            Have you thought about all the super cheap, piss beer they sell expensive here just because its German? thats funny

          • Germandude

            Have you ever thought about the price of Heineken in China? You know Heineken, right? (Of course I know you do). Drink a German beer, piss into a bottle and label it Heineken.

          • hess

            I despise Heineken.. Oh and dont get me wrong, i do like German beer. Just not the super cheap stuff you find at lidl and such.. which they sell here expensive just because its German

          • Germandude

            Yeah, but which brand(s) do you mean exactly?

          • hess

            let me check that the next time i go to the supermarket. I was gonna say Harboe, but thats Danish though

          • Germandude

            Shitty beers you can find here are: Paulaner, Krombacher, Warsteiner.
            Good beer: Bitburger

          • Gaius Baltar

            To be fair, paulaner is sold as ‘good’ german beer in Spain. I always thought Becks bier was decent enough.

          • Germandude

            Paulaner is actually ok, but wherever there is a Paulaner sold, they must have Erdinger as well. And in that case, the latter is the right choice.

          • Gaius Baltar

            And what about becks? Although as a northern english man I shun your teutonic chilled chemicals, nothing personal. The only thing bitter about me is a case of the stuff.

          • Germandude

            Becks is alright. “teutonic chilled chemicals”? Ever heard of “Reinheitsgebot”?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot

          • Gaius Baltar

            Have heard of reinheitsgebot or the purity laws! One “A” in German was the only bloody useful thing I took from my state school the rest was just a load of rubbish or not interesting. Although I regret not paying more attention in history class now, but such it is. Nowt personal, just a northerner you understand, we prefer bitter.

          • mr.wiener

            A virtual Pilsner Urquell to you both. Linette you may have a shandy [raddler].

          • Germandude

            Drinking early again today? Seeing the insanity that the pre-x-mas stress is causing here, I’d like to start drinking as well. The insanity, the insanity…

          • mr.wiener

            Does an Irish coffee in the morning count?

          • linette lee

            I was watching news and in Australia you folks have to deal with drunken birds. They go flying drunk and fall off the sky. They’re flying under the influence. They love fermented berries. The birds get hangover. They are loud and obnoxious. lol. Wow.

            http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/aussie-birds-get-drunk-loud-and-fall-from-the-sky.html

          • mr.wiener

            Never heard of drunken birds, but it would explain why magpies are such irritable bastards.

          • linette lee

            ……..You know Heineken, right? (Of course I know you do). Drink a German beer, piss into a bottle and label it Heineken…………..

            OMG…lol. You are so bad.

          • Germandude

            Stop insulting me! I am not bad. I said: “Drink a German beer, piss into a bottle and label it Heineken.”

            What I DIDN’T say is: “Drink the Heineken then”. Now THAT would’ve been bad.

            Now, do you want to know how the Dutch produce Grolsch (another Dutch drink that they label as beer?)

            I like the Dutch. But there are differences between the Dutch and the Germans. Germans can play soccer successfully, plus, we can produce good beer. The Dutch however are very good when it comes to extend your knowledge in Flora and Fauna.

          • linette lee

            hahaha…I heard German drink beer for breakfast. High calories?

            Is it true all german drink beer for breakfast, eat sausage and sauerkraut for lunch, and drink beer for dinner?

            I once had a whole glass of mud slide and i got drunk. I got drunk on a glass of mud slide. I mean really drunk I couldn’t walk by myself….hahaha…lol.

          • Germandude

            linette, I am happy to see that you are a very well-informed person when it comes to my home country.

            Since EVERY German drinks beer for breakfast (actually 7, because 7 beer equal one meal) and beer containing high calories, some of our smart ass chemists reverse enginered beer and came up with the solution: light beer. While containing the same amount of alcohol, it doesn’t make women getting fat so that they can live up to the German breakfast-beer-drinking-tradition.

            And since you also know exactly that Germans only eat sausages and sauerkraut for lunch (nothing else), you can imagine that a week after a German kid is born, it gets bored from always eating the same lunch. So, the babies start drinking beer during lunch as well, because once you are drunk, you don’t care about what you are eating and that you are eating ALWAYS the same food at the same time (and never eat sth for dinner).

            However, since German lunch breaks tend to be from 12-1pm, the afternoons are longer and when Germans come to the point of being sober again, they realize, that they eat the same every day, and get depressed. And what could be better to fight depression with even more beer? So for dinner, there is variety. Germans tend to drink 7-8 beer followed by a shot of Korn, which is the German version of Vodka.

            Having to read that you got drunk after a whole (!) glass of mud slide makes me positively believing that picking a German husband would be the wrong choice for you. Choose Dutch. They are always so stoned, they sleep most of the time and won’t care if you are drunk or not.

          • linette lee

            Choose Dutch. They are always so stoned,……..

            hahaha..you are so crazy. lol

          • Germandude

            No, I just had lunch…

          • el negro pedro

            are you having fun virtually sucking this guys cock you stupid cunt? wtf is wrong with you? Go find a boyfriend in real life.

          • linette lee

            and you? Are you sucking his cock you stupid faggot.

          • Germandude

            Ok ok ok. I am really flattered that you and the wanna-be-gangsta found a topic to discuss about. But please switch it, cause my wife wouldn’t appreciate it. Thanks.

          • Gerhana

            they are quarreling about your private part like starving sharks fighting for the bait. It must be disconcerting. Watch out! that was close. It will be a disaster, your first traumatic christmas.

          • Germandude

            Christmas won’t happen and you know why. Look at the calendar and what date is it tomorrow?

            I am not afraid of sharks anyway. But I don’t like walking under palm trees because those evil coconuts tend to fall on people’s heads.

          • linette lee

            hahhaha……. >.< Your private part is hot topic. They need to do a germanwhack site.

          • Jennster

            Well I image googled “Dutch” people and “German” people and the dutch turned out better looking? O_o

            Aren’t the dutch people some citizens of south africa? I heard they are not very nice to other races…

          • silencer47

            Some descendants of ours, but they have brits to so they share the blame

          • cc

            I think you’ll find the Afikaans are all descended from Dutchmen not Brits. Be careful were you proportion your blame.

          • Germandude

            Yes Jennster…

          • mr.wiener

            That’s the trouble with any group of people who think they’ve made a covenant with god.

          • silencer47

            Now listen here, your spot on about the heineke but grolsch is our pride and glory. It is second to no german brew!

          • Germandude

            I agree that Grolsch is the Dutch’s favorite. However, I’d say that Amstel and Dommelsche are far better than Grolsch.

          • mr.wiener

            I only like Grolsch for their bottles. Great for making home-brew.

          • Germandude

            I agree. Grolsch’s bottles are cool, but I don’t like the taste. During my studies in NL, people also prefered Amstel over Grolsch. The problem I have with Grolsch is that I always get a headache from it, no matter if I drank “one over the top” or not.

          • mr.wiener

            I thought he was a rocket launcher.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Elton john was the rocket man?

      • mr.wiener

        A Yank and a Chinese guy are arguing over whose country is better. The Yank says: “In my country we have the right to criticize the American government when ever we want to”.
        The Chinese guy responds : In my country we have the right to criticize the American govt when ever we want to also”

        • BiffyClanger

          hahaha good one :)

  • ScottLoar

    “[China is] doesn’t act like a large and powerful country at all, always up to some small tricks, embarrassing us Chinese people.”

    “Them still trying to keep the people in ignorance in this day and age is truly unbearable!”

    “This is just how China is, never giving any explanations to its
    own people about things that happen in its own country, only giving
    results.”

    “They’re both school tragedies, but the US one has lots of details,
    while Henan Guangshan uses all sorts of means to refuse to be
    interviewed and seal off information.”

    • Appalled@everything

      I agree with every word

  • Duke

    this is about the worst school killing in American history and how Americans are being turned into over reacting crazies.

    http://qz.com/#37069/the-deadliest-school-massacre-in-us-history-was-in-1927-why-its-aftermath-matters-now/

    • Bo Hoe Loi

      see it like this… the US is the country which is best prepared for the upcoming Zombie Apocalypse!!!

      Go and throw drainage oil at the Zombies, or make them sit on exploding office chairs hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      • mr.wiener

        firepower don’t cut it with zombies. I would refer you to Max Brooks’ excellent “zombie survival guide”.
        A 22 rimfire, a machete and a mountain bicycle would be your best friends.

  • Germandude

    My 2 favorite comments:

    “Hehehe! Not going to express any comment, I’m afraid of being reeducated through labor.”
    and
    “Them still trying to keep the people in ignorance in this day and age is truly unbearable!”

    It gives hope that while there are all the cover ups and all the insanity here, there is still a (huge) amount of people that don’t simply eat the shit that is thrown at them.

    The truth is out there.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      1. Chinese as individuals are way smarter and aware than the haters would have you believe.
      2. Chinese as individuals are way less prone to action than the other haters would have you think.

      • Germandude

        /signed

  • willie miller

    CCTV news is an absolute load of bollocks, its very rare to meet any Chinese person under 30 who believes it or watches it.

    • BiffyClanger

      Yeah I tried watching it but it is mostly waxwork officials strutting about, you’d think your in North Korea. Apparently one of the reforms Xi is bringing in is less unnecessary coverage of official functions. That and less reality TV. Still Chinese TV is shit. Except for this food program ‘A Bite of China’.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        “Bite of China”

        Total food porn. And yet, Chinese aren’t foodies.

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      I used to watch it ever day, lots of good info programs, but now my fcking ISPs have blocked it! FFS China blocking its own crap! Whads the matter with em!

  • Misiooo

    So-called leaders, regardless Chinaman, Yanks or others, will never face the truth and seek to find real reasons behind such acts.

  • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

    Wish I had the link, but there has been a concerted government response to Chinese mass school knifings, and it is actually the same response as an American one: to escalate the use of force.

    After a couple of attacks last year, security has been really beefed up at schools nationwide. There’s usually only one gate from which no stranger is allowed on campus during class time, and parents always come to pick up their kid (and wait silently, may I add).

    For you gun supporters, have heart that China may not give you the right of ownership, but firmly believes in escalation of force: the article I saw demonstrated a security guard armed with the latest weapon designed to protect children from knife-wielding maniacs: a pitchfork. This of course will inspire baddies to upgrade their status from “knife berserker” to “bow and arrow elf”, but China will install that expansion pack at the proper time.

    With all this speak of maniacs, while it is true the US has a bigger problem with guns and gun control (the lack thereof), it’s China who has a worse situation by having a (terrible) health care system that can’t take care of mentally ill people. In China, you’re not even allowed to be crazy: it’s a social taboo in which “mentally ill” is an insult.

    So: no mass shooting deaths in China, but is still about a hundred years away from beginning to tackle with the root causes of why these things happen. In short, China is a land of contrast. Thank you.

  • mattman_183

    Time to call in Grandpa Wen. Instant government compassion made to order. Call now! (is he still working?)

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Who’s the new Grandpa Wen? The original is out metaphorically playing golf with OJ, is he not?

      • mattman_183

        Oh, that’s right…Isn’t he busy on his long forgotten mission to prove he isn’t as rich as that awful Western media says he and his family are? (Yet another thing rarely mentioned in Chinese media)

  • Appalled@everything

    Standard diversionary tactics.

  • LiRuiKe

    Rarely is Communist Party strategy so transparent. CCTV, their mouthpiece, serves to strengthen their power over the masses. Since millions wish to emmigrate to the USA, taking their brains and money with them, it serves the Party to make America less attractive. What is to be gained from reporting on the Henan knife attack? Nothing positive. It only reveals their failings, their inability to protect their own people.
    I’m happy to see a few outspoken netizens, but the fears of doing forced labor just for voicing an opposing opinion are not unfounded. That fear puts a wide smile on the Party’s face. It’s their path to the harmonious society. Commercially, does CCTV need to perform? Of course, not. Do they worry about losing viewers or advertisers? Of course, not. There is neither political nor economic democracy in the Prisoners Republic of China.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Wow, you make it sound so attractive. Do they need English teachers there?

      • LiRuiKe

        Absolutely. If you have the right face, you may be qualified. If you look distinguished, you can even work in management. If you’re really lucky, you’ll find some really rich parents with a brainless child who will pay you an amazing 200rmb per hour to help their drooling child pass some standardized test or another. You’ll live like a king because everything is so cheap here.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          You pretty much have me sold, but I want to think it over. Do you have any promotional pamphlets that you can leave with me?

        • Gaius Baltar

          You’ll live like a king because everything is so cheap here.

          True. Unfortunately you will live like a pauper when the time comes to return home though, unless you own a property and what with the crisis et al.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

          I make 180 RMB/hr at a full-time job (not teaching) and I don’t live like a king. I am able to save money, but not THAT much.

          The cost of living in China is becoming pretty high unless you want to live like a nonming

          • TR

            oh look its another gwailo leech. go back to your own country fkwit

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

            Leech? My job, and my company, is in China protecting worker’s rights against forced labor, low pay and general abuse from CHINESE factory owners. My company was directly responsible for doubling the wages of Foxconn workers, so maybe you should keep quiet about who should and shouldn’t go home.

          • DavidisDawei

            Wow Mike, I didn’t know that existed in China. Do you see Unions forming in China?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

            The PRC will never allow worker unions a long as the Communists hold power. The ppl in my industry don’t even mention unions, it’s a taboo subject.

      • Gaius Baltar

        Desperately. Even more so as of late

  • mattman_183

    They must know the thing they are angry about happens to them on a daily basis, right?

  • redgirls

    Yea cause all you need is a long lens in your face when you are about to put a six year old child in a grave. But hey it is a Photo moment!
    The business of grief.

    I

  • smokes

    Jesus, All you people know how to do is to complain, complain, complain complain, seriously. You people are some of the whiniest people in the world. Give other Chinese people a bad name. Get over yourselves.

  • Zebadee

    CCTV’s reporting of any event is just the same; devoid of any research, when it’s not plagiarised from foreign news sources.
    Their webpage devoted to the Senkaku dispute gave me the greatest laugh the other day. They split the entire page into two halves (China on one side and Japan on the other) with a chonology of historical events. But then put all the Japanese information on the China side and left the Japanese side almost blank !! ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Hilarious !!

  • Daniel Tynan

    Is it really true that you have to register you name to purachase a kitchen knife in China?? I don’t remember that being a rule when I was living there. . but I do remember them removing all knifes for sale during the olympics.

  • 平凡人

    Typical, saving face. Like I mentioned before, China’s TV news is structured in this manner;
    First 15 minutes – Leaders are busy working;
    Second 15 minutes – People in China living happily and in harmony;
    Last 15 minutes – every where else around the world is in a mess.

  • SonofSpermcube

    The irony is that the fact that no one died in the Henan attack has been used in the US to argue the inferiority of America’s approach (or lack thereof) to gun control.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

    2010-2011: 20 dead and 50 wounded in school knife attacks in China. So much for the banning of guns = no dead school kids theory.

    For all his lunacy, LaPierre was corect in saying the only thing that can stop a madman with a gun is a sane man with one.

    • the world

      America need more people like you. That way you people will just shoot each other until no ones left. Then we will have peace on earth.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

        “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will
        look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”

        – Gandhi

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