‘Chinese Public Should Permit a Moderate Amount of Corruption’

Scan of Chinese editorial in China state newspaper Global Times, the headline reading: Fighting Corruption is a Difficult Battle in the Development of Chinese Society.

One of the most discussed articles on popular Chinese portal site NetEase yesterday, with over 250k participants in the comments section over the day…

From NetEase:

Global Times: People should permit a moderate [or appropriate] amount of corruption in China

It was announced yesterday that former Railway Minister and Party Secretary Liu Zhijun was fired, the issues of his suspected crimes to dealt by judicial authorities in accordance with the law. This piece of news once again touched the public’s most sensitive nerve, that dealing with corruption. From a national perspective, there is indeed continuous news of corrupt officials being sacked, which does give people the feeling that corruption is “unending/overwhelming”. They aren’t catching/arresting less, it’s that you can never catch them all [never finish catching them all]. Just what is going on?

China obviously has a high incidence of corruption, and the conditions for completely eliminating corruption do not exist at present. Some people say, as long as we have “democracy”, the problem of corruption can be easily solved. However, this kind of view is naive. Asia has many “democratic countries”, such as Indonesia, the Philippines, India, etc. where corruption are all much more severe than China. But China may very likely be the Asian country with the most pronounced sense of “resentment towards corruption”.

This is related to China’s “serve the people!” official political morals having deeply been engrained in the people’s heart throughout society. However, the reality is that the market economy has attacked its practicality/feasibility, resulting in an government officials who half-heartedly observe it or have even betrayed it constantly slipping through various crack in the system. China is a country that has been deeply penetrated by globalization and the high standards of integrity of developed countries is already known by the Chinese public, and with information coming from different periods and different circumstances being forcible stuffed into China’s sphere of public opinion, bitterness and consternation can find no relief.

Corruption in any country is unable to be permanently controlled/cured, so the key is to control what the degree that the people will permit/allow. However, to do this is particularly difficult for China.

Singapore and China’s Hong Kong institute a policy of high pay to discourage corruption. Many American political candidates are wealthy, and normally when someone becomes a government official there, they accumulate renown and connections. After office, they can use then various “revolving doors” to change all they have accumulated into financial return. However, these options and possibilities are not available in China.

Giving government officials large salaries is something Chinese public opinion cannot accept. Allowing government officials to step down and use their influence and connections to make big money is something the system does not allow. Allowing the wealthy to become government officials is something that people find even more unpalatable. The legal salaries of China’s government officials is very low, and the compensation for officials of some places is often realized through “unwritten rules”.

All of Chinese society now has some “unwritten rules”. In industries that involve the public welfare such as doctors and teachers, “unwritten rules” have also become popular. Many people’s statutory income isn’t high, but they have “gray income”.

What are the boundaries for “unwritten rules”? This isn’t clear. This is also one of the reason for why there are relatively many corruption cases now, with some even being “cases of a community of corruption”. Amongst the people, there is the popular saying that “what is commonplace amongst the people cannot be punished by the law”, and the moment government officials believe this saying while believing “others are the same as me”, then he is already in danger [of becoming corrupt].

Those who engage in corruption must be strictly investigated, and not to be tolerated, as this would greatly increase the risk and cost of corruption, creating the requisite deterrent effect. The government must make the reduction of corruption the biggest objective of their governance.

The people must resolutely increase supervision through public opinion, pushing the government to fight corruption. However, the people must also reasonably understand the reality and objective fact that China is unable at its present stage to thoroughly suppress the corruption, and not sink the entire country into despair.

Writing this definitely does not mean we believe fighting corruption is not important or should be put off. Quite the opposite, we believe fighting corruption indeed is the number one problem that must be solved for the reform of China’s political system, and it is also the common demand of the entire country.

However, we believe that fighting corruption is not something that can be completely “fought” nor completely “reformed” because at the same time, it needs “development” to help solve it. It is a problem of the individual corrupt officials as well as the system, but that’s not all. It is also a problem of the Chinese society’s “overall level of development”.

Fighting corruption is a difficult/entrenched battle in the development of Chinese society, but its victory at the same time hinges upon the clearing of various obstacles on other battlefields. China can never be a country where other aspects are very backward and only its government officials are clean. Even if it is for a time, it won’t last long. Eliminating corruption would be a breakthrough/turning point for China, but this country ultimately can only “advance overall” [any specific progress requires overall progress/development].

Comments from NetEase:

网易四川省成都市网友:

Global Shit newspaper.

[Note: The original Chinese comment involves a pun on the word 时 shi, “times” with 屎 shi, “shit”.]

网易河北省保定市网友:

Reporter, you must permit my moderate “go fuck yourself”, you must be understanding.

海哥0 [网易山东省济南市网友]:

There are no less than 8 types of Chinese corrupt officials, and everyone should know these classic types:

  1. Doesn’t have a high salary but has no shortage of money in the bank;
  2. Doesn’t understand a foreign language but has no shortage of trips going abroad;
  3. Doesn’t look handsome but has no shortage of mistresses;
  4. Doesn’t go to work much but has no shortage of social events;
  5. Doesn’t speak well but has no shortage of applause;
  6. Doesn’t write essays/articles but has no shortage of opinions;
  7. Doesn’t have any skill but has no shortage of winning money;
  8. Doesn’t handle things fairly but has no shortage of collecting money.

戴三只表 [网易广东省广州市网友]:

After seeing the news of a Philippine Chief Justice being impeached for concealing millions in assets, I now know the reason for why the Imperialist Philippines is a strong country.

夜風長嘆 [网易广东省广州市越秀区网友]:

Can Global Times please not be so disgusting?

蓝色多瑙河123 [网易北京市朝阳区网友]:

Corruption should be given the support of the law.

网易上海市闵行区网友:

I only want to say: Your MB.

Lohengramm [网易安徽省合肥市网友]:

Can I use profanity?

z09261 [网易云南省昆明市网友]:

From a national perspective, there is indeed continuous news of corrupt officials being sacked, which does give people the feeling that corruption is “unending/overwhelming”. They aren’t catching/arresting less, it’s that you can never catch them all [finish catching them all]. Just what is going on?

滥情的钕秂酒醉慯 [网易广东省深圳市罗湖区网友]:

Actually, without corruption, some things may not be able to be done or would be delayed, so we can’t just look at the superficial corruption but should look at the essence of the matter. As a person, those who are officials have also expended their efforts, so them having suitable compensation is appropriate. We can’t demand that only we can have money and government officials be uncorrupted…

打一光波 [网易陕西省西安市网友]: (responding to above)

I have nothing to say to a big stupid cunt like you, I only want to yell at you.

dbl128 [网易江苏省宿迁市网友]:

From so many netizen comments we can see just how much the people resent corruption.

1614353381 [网易福建省福州市网友]: (responding to above)

It’s all American running dogs and wumao commenting, this doesn’t represent anything, just people posting for money.

ge2008sh2010 [网易浙江省宁波市网友]: (responding to above)

So anyone posting a comment is collecting money for it? SBs have no limit to how stupid they can be!!!

订婚坐花轿 [网易甘肃省兰州市网友]: (responding to 1614353381)

Global Times: People should permit a moderate amount of corruption in China===========Can poor people with low wages moderately go rob a bank?

纯真的流氓 [网易广东省中山市网友]: (responding to above)

Trying to speak reason with this Fujian wumao is like playing a lute to a cow/casting pearls before swine.

lain520 [网易福建省漳州市网友]: (responding to above)

On the issue of corruption, I don’t think there has ever been a divide between American running dogs and wumao! It seems to be very unanimous~~

易江苏省常州市网友: (responding to above)

Would wumao dare accuse their masters of being corrupt?

潜风润梦 [网易河南省郑州市网友]:

Moderate, moderate, what great wording! However, can one talk about moderation in corruption? As long as it is corruption, it is all excessive.

网易北京市网友:

The discussion is very intense, but even if you criticize it, so what, nothing will change.

Best白 [网易重庆市网友]:

Bullshit, then the people should be allowed to choose their own government officials.

泪惊雨 [网易广东省广州市海珠区网友]:

When it comes to corruption, zero-tolerance! Only this way will the country’s people have hope!

shangqiuzhoukou [网易河南省商丘市网友]:

Global Times has let out a stench of a fart, practically encouraging corruption, legalizing corruption. This kind stinking fart has fully revealed how completely and ridiculously brain dead some people are. With such brain dead, shameless recording of their crimes, let history forever remember their shamelessness!

心不古 [网易上海市长宁区网友]:

My IQ can no longer keep up with this country. Once again I’ve been raped.

emosai2003 [网易广东省广州市天河区网友] 的原贴: (responding to above)

It stopped being rape long ago and became gang rape.

猴子洛克 [网易黑龙江省伊春市网友] 的原贴: (responding to above)

Doesn’t count if a condom is worn, stupid! [Refers to an infamous 2011 case where police told a Guizhou teacher she was not raped because the government official wore a condom.]

心中无马 [网易辽宁省大连市网友] 的原贴: (responding to above)

The people should permit moderate amounts of not wearing a condom, the people should be understanding…

蝗虫之一 [网易广东省佛山市网友]: (responding to above)

The rabble should permit moderate law-breaking?

liushizhou1981 [网易浙江省绍兴市网友]: (responding to above)

I wonder if they’d allow the rabble to moderately go kill corrupt officials!

网易广东省广州市网友:

NetEase, the headquarters of American running dogs.
Isn’t this report an intentional slandering of Global Times?
This kind of article is just an individual’s commentary/opinion, comparable to someone posting a personal comment on NetEase or Weibo.
But NetEase casually attributes it as the view of Global Times!
This just goes to show how those in the same industry are like enemy nations.

This isn’t the first time Global Times has been slandered by NetEase, nor does Global Times always sing praises [of China].
Under Global Times is a periodical called Satire and Humor, which has been needling social ills for decades now.
It has even attacked some unpopular government policies.
Social problems that netizens are concerned about, they have that too.
Internet netizens even often forward and repost comics/political cartoons from there [Global Times].

Global Times’ original headline is “Fighting corruption is a difficult battle in the development of Chinese society”, and in the article is “Writing this definitely does not mean we believe fighting corruption is not important or should be put off. Quite the opposite, we believe fighting corruption indeed is the number one problem that must be solved for the reform of China’s political system, and it is also the common demand of the entire country.”

Sina and Sohu both republished this, but they didn’t change the title. But when it came to NetEase, it became “The People should permit a moderate amount of corruption in China”. The motives of NetEase is clear for everyone to see!

Netizen comments only reflect netizen’s individual views, it doesn’t mean NetEase agrees with their views or verifies their narratives, but if [NetEase] continues to delete comments, it definitely can makes it clear just what NetEase’s position is.
At the same time, may the entire family of those deleting comments all get cancer!

NetEase, NetEase, you won’t even let me NOT criticize you, you changed the title yet again! Just how different is “The People should be understanding of the phenomenon of corruption in China’s present stage [of development]” and “The People should permit a moderate amount of corruption in China”! This was someone else’s commentary article, regardless of whether or not you agree with the viewpoint, but if it were your own article being altered, would you agree to others falsifying your title by taking something out of context?

Note: The title of the article on NetEase was indeed changed during translation of this article and the above selected comments.

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  • john digmeme

    Ima corrupt this sofa real quick

    • john digmeme

      For an on-topic post: corruption on a micro scale can actually be helpful if you have money to spend on it. Who wants to wait in line at some government department for hours on end? Or get points on their license when they can pay the cops off for a speeding ticket? Not me!

      On a macro scale, it’s a mixed blessing. Corporations continue to do business here because the government is so pliant meaning greater tax revenue and employment for the people; and at the same time, people are negatively affected if the company doing the corrupting is the wrong one.

      You need a casual balance of corruption and rule-of-law for a truly strong country.

      • Dan

        Yep, that’s fairly accurate. A bit of grease for the wheels is not always the worst thing in the world. There are many cases where it actually turns out to a rather win-win situation whereas without it, thing would never get done. The difference between western corruption and Chinese corruption is that in the west, it’s practically legalized and encouraged. Whereas in China it’s more of a political strategy/weapon. Not corrupt? No one trusts you. Too corrupt? You’re owned by your rivals. Simple as that really.

        • StupidAmerican

          >Yep, that’s fairly accurate.

          It may seem win-win, but it does reinforce the idea of disobedience. This effect of this concept is not measurable and unbound.

          >without it, thing would never get done

          I can’t think of an instance of this being true because I could always substitute something else with bribing and still having it work.

          • Dr. Jones Jr.

            Not only does it reinforce the idea of disobedience, it leads to moral hazard, no disincentive for potentially hazardous behaviors.

            To take your example, Digmeme: points on your license being removed. Sounds fine, until you realize that being able to painlessly remove said points makes all kinds of nasty traffic violations a trifle–the law no longer something to even consider in the moments before you flatten a granny, a QQ-car, or yourself. That’s a slippery slope that when applied to all the casual corruption existing in China leads to poisoned milk and officially-sanctioned rapes, not to mention the building rage of those unfairly disadvantaged because they lack the funds.

          • linette

            john digmeme
            …….. corruption on a micro scale can actually be helpful if you have money to spend on it. Who wants to wait in line at some government department for hours on end? Or get points on their license when they can pay the cops off for a speeding ticket? Not me!……

            Corruption also means if a guy hit you with his car and he used money to bribe the police into writing the accident saying you are at fault…leaving you permanently disabled without legs and compensation. I guess it doesn’t hurt neither because it helps the other guy to get off and the police have nice fat $$$ in their pocket. Like you said why not. Someone has to benefit from it. Why waste court money and time for lawsuit? It’s easier to just bribe and get it over with.

      • Fu ZhiGao

        It kind of sucks though when corporations use corruptions to pay off officials and prevent the rule of law from protecting those it was intended to.

        It sucks when you can’t do business in China because officials are expecting you to bribe them or give them some kind of a present before they will let you do anything.

        It also kind of sucks if you’re the little guy living in backwater wherever and you have to pay bribes to get the title deed to your house, your marriage certificate, or get your property back that was illegally confiscated by the police.

      • Bruce Tutty

        So you think corruption is ok as long as you are the one benefiting from it?…while everyone else suffers in a small way for it…corruption does exist at all levels of Chinese society then, so I guess you have the equality you wished for.

        Be happy with your state level corruption, it represents your wishes.

        But don’t except any of the rest of the world to trust you.

      • aquadraht

        I remember the times when I worked as a lorry driver heading for Italy during university holidays many years ago. At that time, highway police there was regularly taking bribes, a fixed sum of ventimila (20thsd) lire, roughly 8$, which freed you from odometer disc and overload control. Our superiors always gave us a sum allowing to pay such bribes in cash.

        Downside was that you had to pay even if you were not overloaded or had respected speed limit and worktime thresholds. If you refused, they would search until they would have found something, or even make up something. So you were practically punished for abiding the law.

        I don’t think that corruption can be completely eradicated anywhere in the world. But it should be controlled and contained as much as possible. In China, many laws and rules are that contradictory and/or inconsequently enforced, that a certain amount of corruption is inevitable. It is an evil, anyway, and ppl are right to resent it.

        a^2

  • lonetrey

    I call corruption in Chinasmack! They deliberately delayed the loading of this news article to prevent me from getting the sofa!

  • jiayi

    So this is the backwash of making a blatantly random statement. The sky is green. Grass is blue. France is far away. Now I’m going to sit back and wait for the peasants to revolt.

    • pada

      Revolt? By the impassive people who would not offer a helping hand to the fallen and the needed?
      I have full confidence in Chinese who will not revolt as you wish. They will not revolt especially after getting to know the elected Chen Shuibian transported load of banknotes with airplane and the corruption in democratic India is even worse.

      • staylost

        Yes, their is no way China revolts. Not enough camaraderie between average Chinese. But it has nothing to do with what happens in other countries, corrupt or not. I think Chinese people envision a certain country they would like to be, and it isn’t the USA, PI, or Russia. It is uniquely Chinese, but I doubt it is an elitist oligarchy (first class citizens vs. second class citizens, controlled by a few fatcats up top) as it currently is.

        Party reform, and rule of law (something very Chinese), would go long way. Maybe a republic of sorts with a shadow cabinet (to keep the ruling group honest) and impeachment processes for leadership positions? It’s not my country, though. Yet I do love it.

        • donscarletti

          China has never practised Rule of Law. You might be thinking of 法治 which means Rule by Law, or 法家 which means Legalism. Neither concept constrains the leader to act according to those laws, just the people.

          • Dr SUN

            + 1

        • jiayi

          By revolt I meant leave a series of strongly worded comments.

      • mr. wiener

        A-bian is Taiwanese, What’s he got to do with the price of fish in China?

        • pada

          Oh don’t fake a Chen Guangcheng while you can see every lice on your bald head. Sure you know pretty well what I meant was about DemonCrazy which cannot solve problem of corruption.

          A-bian as Taiwanese, does have something to do with price of fish in China. He got to do with the price of schnitzel in Wien too, Mr. Wiener.

          http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/corruption-scandals-in-austria-a-web-of-sleaze-in-elegant-vienna-a-791113.html

          Don’t ya know you guys are shouldering the responsibility of showcasing and lecturing to oppressed Chinese the glory of democratic and free world? Dang!

          • mr. wiener

            ????….Pada. Sorry,I’m a little dense today.
            So what you were saying [I think] was the people in China won’t revolt over corruption because democratic countries have glaring examples of this problem, correct?
            If this is the case Chen Shuibian is still not the greatest example to make against democracy as he he is going to be in jail [rightly or wrongly] for a very long time to come.
            I don’t think democracy is the best form of govt either. I just think it’s better than most.

          • Nyancat

            here’s your 5 mao now get lost.

    • zayu

      “The sky is green. Grass is blue”

      Not random enough in Chinese: 天是青色的。草是青色的。

      • Chunghwa

        If you want to use 青, write in Classical Chinese. If you want to use Modern Vernacular Chinese, use 绿 and 蓝.

        Using 青 in this sense is like forcing a jigsaw piece in to fit in with something, and seems unnatural, and I doubt people would write Chinese vernacular literature like this, even if they really were genuinely trying to be ironic.

    • Chunghwa

      You can’t have a successful revolt in China because they don’t have the right to bear arms unlike in the United States. Arming yourself has many benefits, and one of them (as intended by the founding fathers) is that if the government turns to tyrrany, the people can revolt against it.

      Now that even buying kitchen butter knives is LOLBANNED in the United Kingdom, it’s the perfect environment for an authoritarian state to brew, just add salt and simmer for a few years, gently stirring. CCTV cameras are going to be the least of people’s worries.

      Funny thing is, Obama is slowly turning the United States into a police state, and the people don’t even seem to be concerned. They’re still being fed the same trash through the media, thinking that everything is A-OK. The chance of Ron Paul winning the next elections seems slimmer each passing day, and regardless of whether Romney or Obama wins, the result is the same. inb4 murrikadrones and conservitards deny that Americans are having their rights being taken from them.

      • Somethin Somethin

        Yeah like when he formed the Department of Homeland Security, opened up shadow prisons offshore, pardoned his chief of staff for wrong doing, was certainly involved in faking evidence for starting a war, helped leak the identity of an intelligence officer over some political bickering, and helped deregulate an industry which caused the biggest depression in nearly a century.

        Mate I voted for that asshole Bush, but I’m not blind enough to sit back and call out Obama for creating some sort of police state. Also a big second amendment guy. Obama for whatever reason has deigned to leave that shit alone and I’m glad because otherwise I might feel some inkling of a reason to vote Republican again.

        • moop

          you’re right, he took bush’s awful policies and made them worst.

          Signed the NDAA into law — assassinating US citizens w/o trial now legal
          – Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
          – Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
          – Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
          – Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
          – Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after “ending” war
          – Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
          – Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
          – Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
          – Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
          – Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports
          – Signed the Patriot Act extension into law
          – Continued Bush’s rendition program

          your vision is apparently worse than you thought

        • Dr SUN

          yes, lets not forget Cheney and Halliburton, it was very profitable for them.
          Whats a few thousand dead US soldiers to them…nothing

      • aquadraht

        This is ridiculous. While there are nearly as many firearms in the US as people, the mere idea of fat middle class Americans with a wild mix of rifles, pump guns, colts, pistols etc. emerging from their suburbia in their equally fat SUV causing a still fatter traffic jam in order to overthrow the government makes me giggle inanely. A single platoon and a light tank could hold ten thousand of them.

        An armed revolt needs support of parts of the armed forces and at best part of the state and power apparatus. In that case, it does not matter how the masses do arm themselves, by looting arsenals, weapon shops etc. or by taking arms of personal possession. Just one of the ridiculous NRA myths.

        I do not see an armed revolt approaching in China, recently. But I fail to see that this is because of ban of firearms.

        a^2

  • Interested

    Just legalized it as presidential pardon, or governor’s pardon. Bribery is relabled as lobby. Then no more corruption. See no evil, hear no evil, talk no evil, then there is no evil.

    • linette

      Corruption in China gov’t makes me sick. I need a vomit bucket when I think about it.

      • Chef Rocco

        The government would be responsive to your need by providing you the bucket through me, and I am asking for an insignificant kickback of 5 mao.

      • dilladonuts

        lol, flew right over the head of linette. It’s sarcasm you idiot.

        • linette

          dilladonuts

          I am not even surprised that the China officials want to charge me 5 mao just to allow me to voice each of my opinion. They want you to pay them if you want them to do the job the taxpayers pay them to do.

    • Kaun

      I think you forgot the whole ‘doing evil part’ which would be rampfuckingpant

  • ChineseFighter

    allow me to moderately fuck ur mum

    • redgirl

      Really?
      That’s so Random.

      • mr. wiener

        Trolls will troll, Motherfuckers will fuck mums.

        • Tengu

          And why not give the poor woman the rogering she so richly deserves….”moderately” never helped anyone, they CAN get bored you know, we can’t, but they can!

    • Chunghwa

      LMAO EPIC WIN, 5 STAR POST RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!111!!! xDDDDDDDD LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHATA FUXK MAN xDD

  • Chef Rocco

    The article itself from Netease is a demonstration of corruption.

    As you can see above, the original headline of the article on Global Times is “Anti-Corruption is the hardest battle during the social development of China”. Netease re-titles the article and expects sensationalism from netizens who never want to read the whole article. Typical media practice in a fast-paced cyberworld today.

    Not I concur with the article on Global Times, but at least I wouldn’t criticize it based on a re-summarized headline.

    • pada

      I fully agree with you. There is certainly a great difference between “Anti-Corruption is the hardest battle during the social development of China” and “Chinese Public Should Permit a Moderate Amount of Corruption”. Encouraging is many Chinese netizen who read noticed the difference.

      Very soon Netease will involve itself in a marathon lawsuit, for its inciting, instigating, provoking, mischief and bad blood making, discord sowing, dissension formenting, rumour mongering, the Hillary way.

      • Chef Rocco

        To be exact, it is not Netease who did the trick of retitling, but qq.com. netease just republished the article from qq.com.

        qq.com publicly apologized to Global Times today for misleading readers by manipulating the headline.

        http://china.huanqiu.com/roll/2012-05/2773167.html

        • anon

          Finally, a comment thread that’s actually on-topic.

        • Paul

          @Chef Rocco: thanks for this update.

    • typingfromwork

      Very true. The article is actually about how corruption is the number one problem in China and the steps she can take in order to reduce it.

      One little sentence quoted out of context becomes the main focus and people pounce on it reflexively. Chinese net media is not so different from mainstream western media after all.

  • D. Tective

    You do not need a revolution, you do not need protests, you do not even need the government to change. All you need to do is open up the books and public meetings to the public. Show the public where the public money is coming from and going to, case closed.

    • Wu

      Open books would be great.

      I loved this article, it hits and hints on so many things. I sent this article to my friends and family back home, to try to get them to understand what it is like in China.

      First their is the main story of corruption, then the fact that one news group is slandering another group with their own story, also the fact that one new group is belived to be Pro-USA, hints about the grey income, unwritten laws… Is there anyting they didn’t cover?

    • Nyancat

      They’re already doing that in India, if you run for office you have to make ur assets and finances known, the only problem is ‘everybody lies’

    • El Puma R.

      Sorry man I wish it was that easy- you know, there’s a lot of people who are ready to kill anyone who would dare to attempt against their own source of wealth. In their minds, it goes like this: “I paid for it, I deserve it, you think you know too much, well, you can’t touch me because I have money, and you should shut up before y ou get in trouble”. No, it is not a guess… I’ve been through their political pride many times already.

      on the other hand, there are no “books” regarding this matter.

      I truly hope one day they get their shit together.

  • Shoddy Jason

    bullshit!

  • BlackSugarDaddy

    PRC ,a.k.a People’s Republic of Corruption(China?)) is home of the slaved, land of the corrupt , thanks to truculent commie sons of guns and millions of docile minions.

    • Chunghwa

      Here’s your USD$0.50

      • BlackSugarDaddy

        I dont need US dollar, all i need is a drop of mucus from your mom’s foaming lower mouth !

  • cc

    Regardless of how sorry everbody seems to feel for this guy, nobody forced him to take drugs, he took them of his own free will and became an addict, his call and he paid the consequence, why should society be held responsible for his actions. Get over it.

    • cc

      silly bunt, posted this in the wrong place, must stop taking the drugs.

  • My Name is Lee

    You should be allowed to kill someone a little bit, just a little bit.

  • 平凡人

    Corruption in China is everywhere, not just government officials. Chinese managing state owned, foreign owned and privately owned companies get kick backs in many areas; purchasing, human resource, finance, production, etc. Take HR for exmaple, whose resume will be submitted for an interview? Which caterer to use for meals? Which tour company to use for company staff outings?
    Different people at different levels get kick backs at different degree; so unknowingly, corruption is acceptable from a society stand point.
    People are angry with the officials because they are getting much more than the ordinary person. Rarely you will find someone in China who has not accepted gifts or “red packets” in exchange for favours.
    So what can we say about the comments made by the press?

  • Wayne

    Every country has corruption it just manifests itself in different forms. America is corrupt in the sense that our government finds it impossible to balance the budget and now has amassed 14 trillion in debt. Why the hell should balancing the budget be a feat to behold, in China that’s just normal business. The actually invest their revenues every year. And what’s the conversation now about? More tax cuts for the rich and increase in military spending from Romney, and Obama doesn’t seem to give a shit either. AMERICAN CORRUPTION.

    • moop

      YAWN

      “Why the hell should balancing the budget be a feat to behold, in China that’s just normal business.” Really? I knew all those reports about provincial level governments not being able to repay their loans was a lie!

      “The actually invest their revenues every year”
      Yes, into construction like 63 million empty apartments so they can meet their GDP goals

      not putting forth a balanced budget has nothing to do with corruption, it has everything to do with incompetence and thinking in the short term, but that’s to be expected when at least 80% of the country is retarded

      • dilladonuts

        Yawn, somebody loves sucking white c0ck

        • moop

          yes, i am sucking white dick while claiming that at least 80% of america (my home country) are retarded. was the number not high enough? should i increase it to china-like numbers?

  • rollin wit 9’s

    From Chinese netizen
    “There are no less than 8 types of Chinese corrupt officials, and everyone should know these classic types:”
    that 1-8 was classic. im going to remember those

  • yesyes

    The Global Shit article reads like it was written by a bright spark in a Grade Five class.

  • Steve

    The problem is that “grey income” is not taxed, which is a loss for the government which could have been used to support social improvements or general economy, meaning a loss for the people too !

  • MrT

    The thing with corruption in China is their not very good at covering it up, in China its very easy to spot a big fat lie. So I feel its far more transparent here;-)
    In the UK thou they are experts at it with many centuries of practice, so its near impossible to spot the big fat lies hence all the parliamentary committees meetings to weed them out.(and cover them up with more with bullshit and confusion).

    • Johnny Basic

      True perhaps, but it’s the cumulative force of all the many thousands of small-scale lies that Chinamen utter systematically, practically every time they open their mouths, that do the damage.

      Chinamen would sooner drink ice-cold water on a regular basis than make a point of being honest.

    • moop

      the UK has a 5001 year history? I had no idea

  • Johnny Basic

    Oh spare me, all this mock outrage from the netizens, how many of them would never use connections to get a hospital appointment, or submit a plagiarized thesis, or present their kid’s teacher with a gift before exam time? It’s all very well for them to whine about corrupt officials and get all sarcastic about the heavenly kingdom, what they don’t acknowledge is that EVERY Chinaman who ever decides to 走后门 (IE all of them) contributes to the problem.

    They berate officials for corruption, are they ought to take a look at themselves first. The only form of ethics or morals the average Chinaman has is ‘don’t get caught doing it’, and lusting after money and power is all that motivates anyone, whether it’s Hu Jintao or the guy selling youtiao on the street corner. Not one of the people complaining wouldn’t be lapping up the thick brown envelopes and the guanxi if they were officials, so the least they can do is admit the Global Times is being constructive and realistic.

    • moop

      the big difference between “face” and “honor”.

    • Nick in Beijing

      Mostly agree. When I have these kinds of discussions with my Chinese friends or others many of them simply say it’s too hard to stop engaging in the civilian form of corruption (favors, “red envelopes”, gifts to teachers before exam time, etc.) because everyone else is doing it, and if they don’t do it also then they won’t even get the crumbs from the pie.

      it’s a self repeating cycle and most people in general (not just Chinese) are too weak and selfish to do anything about it, but in China it is just much more blatant, and pointing that out is the fastest way to get accused of being a racist against Chinese or some such thing.

      In China it’s not just a problem of being too weak and selfish to do anything about it, it is being too weak, selfish, and self important to care. To most people here the whole idea of “if it’s not hurting my own family, then I don’t care if it hurts other people’s families” is prevalent.

      If people could stick together and stop being so self-interested for 5 minutes a lot of things could be better here in rather short order.

  • Slob

    cor·rup·tion   [kuh-ruhp-shuhn] Show IPA
    noun
    1.the act of corrupting or state of being corrupt.
    2.moral perversion; depravity.
    3.perversion of integrity.
    4.corrupt or dishonest proceedings.
    5.bribery.

    Why so much hate on govt. officials? Yes they’re corrupt, but so are millions of others in this country.

    Small scale bribery and offerings are forms of corruption. Nearly every business here has, does, or will commit a form of bribery through hong bao (red money bags), gifts, cigarettes, wine, special discounts in their business, among other things. Anyone who frowns upon corruption and owns a successful business must look at themselves and know that what they have earned is through hard work and diligence, other wise they’re just plain hypocrites.

    It even goes on a smaller scale…

    Students offering to take their teachers out for dinner a week or so before an examination could also be seen as a form of corruption. They usually only do it to get a higher mark on their exams which, although the scale is much smaller, is still corruption.

    It even gets smaller…

    A motorbike driver who isn’t allowed into a certain area like a university who offers a cigarette to the security guards is ALSO corruption. It’s bribery.

    If you’re going to shut down corruption completely, you would need to alter the Chinese culture in such a way that it wouldn’t be China anymore.

    • DeVitaVackra

      It’s corruption on a small scale alright, probably to be expected in a booming economy and nothing to worry about. It would be an entirely different matter if some gov branches were setting up unaccounted military construction businesses in saudi, obviously secretively, while giving guided tours in top secret national security facilities to various potential sheiks, I mean buyers. Well, that’s what went down in sweden last year, in context, major treasonous corruption that puts the entire population at risk. While this got exposed and covered in the news to some extent, if you ask a swede today if Sweden is corrupt you’ll definitely get a no as an answer. To me that just means chinese people are more honest and tell it as it is.

  • dim mak

    The Global Times was founded for the explicit purpose of selling more papers to the angry crowd when its parent organization started slipping in circulation. The main intent IS to overlook serious journalism, present a pro-party line while hiring ultraliberal foreigners to agree with them (sorta like how the New York Times keeps printing articles by Chinese dissidents). Even the regular articles sound like opinion pieces sometimes.

    It’s essentially the ills of both corporate and state media rolled into one mass of SUPER SUCK.

    I dunno if its readers are just reading for the joy of seeing someone agree with them, or if they actually believe the stuff. Either way, it’s hardly real news.

    As in most places, finance news is best. Boring but fair and informative. Read Caijing instead.

    >Netease
    >Too liberal
    lol u guys

    Even Netease would be considered nationalistic compared to every mainstream English webportal. Except 4chan.
    Relish your youthful nationalism while you still have it, mainland bros. Be glad there isn’t a Chinese Huffington Post, or you’d all be having aneurysms from self-loathing, politically correct, libfag-induced rage.

  • cc

    I would have thought the Chinese public already allowed more than a moderate bit of corruption, they may be blinkered to a lot of things but i would be pretty sure they were aware of all the corruption that goes on in every walk of life.

  • ChinaInventedCorruption

    Corruption can be good nor bad. If used in the right way it’s like grease that keeps processes/agreements flow smoothly. It can be compared to offering incentives if a particular request or task is done. If abused it’s like a black-hole that sucks everything up till there is nothing left. Greed and corruption produces nothing good.

    “Asia has many “democratic countries”, such as Indonesia, the Philippines, India, etc. where corruption are all much more severe than China…”

    I remember one official stating that CHINA invented corruption. And in my opinion, Chinese government corruption is not that obvious since they don’t employ transparency in terms of where government funds go or who gets to handle or how it being handled. Other Asian countries are able to trace their corrupt officials since they can require them to produce documents.

    • Slob

      Corruption doesn’t keep the flow, it ruins it completely and sends it off into another direction which escalates or snowballs into something far worse. A simple cigarette could lead to others doing it, then everyone doing it, and then people giving boxes, then people giving cases. It’s never ok to do it.

      A foreign teacher at our university was given privilege and a much higher salary than us more experienced and qualified teachers just because his corrupt wife bribes our boss with gifts and money. The others started doing it and suddenly they get preferential treatment. I simply refuse to join in the charade of showering our boss with gifts as I believe he just doesn’t deserve it – he didn’t employ me, the branch school did. He didn’t get his job through a well-deserved process of actually trying to get the job, his father works in the headmaster’s office. He’s not good at his job, he doesn’t do anything other than party, travel, and spend all the red bags he receives. Because of this ludicrous behaviour, he will get no such praise from me and because of this, I receive no special treatment from the school and am often left out of school invitations/parties. I really don’t care to be honest as I know that I do my job well and that’s all that matters. Even though I was voted best foreign teacher for 5 years in a row and received one complaint over those 5 years (which I personally discussed with the student and sorted the matter out), and even though the others often receive complaints from students with one teacher having 5 full pages of complaints from an accumulated 100+ students, they still get treated better than me just because of their relationship with the big man.

      Corruption is not good on any scale whether it be receiving 100 million yuan to allow a building to be demolished, or accepting a simple cigarette in exchange for entry into an apartment complex. The reason being is that those who get the benefit will continue doing so and receive more preferential treatment while those who are honest and hardworking are left in the gutter. What kind of right-minded, developed society would promote that kind of behaviour?

      • Somethin Somethin

        That’s really impressive, I’ve never heard of any foreign teachers getting their hongbao. Must be a weird place to be in. I mean I’ve seen guys getting overpaid all the time. I mean like one guy I knew got 5k to overlook and proofread a kids college application, but really corruption spreading into silly laowai English teachers? That’s interesting indeed.

    • CN

      No, corruption never works. It is not sometimes grease to make things flow smoothly.

      China has a fucking one-party system, this is their ticket to make things flow smoothly! They have no opposition! They write ALL the laws. If they want to do something their way then they can do it, when they want and how they want. They don’t need to break the rules, because they write them. There is no room for a “moderate” or “appropriate” amount of corruption because they wrote the fucking rules so they must have written them for a reason. Who gets to choose who is allowed to be corrupt and who is not? This article is just enforcing the people who are already corrupt and encouraging those that have thought about doing it but were a little worried about repercussions.

      Good job, China, for kicking yourself in the motherfucking balls, again.

  • Bunny99

    “Wayland’s Smithy in Oxfordshire (UK), which was built in two different phases – initially as a timber chambered oval barrow around 3700 BC then as a stone chambered long barrow in around 3400 BC – illustrates how a transition from timber chambered barrows to stone chamber tombs occurred, over a period perhaps as short as 50 years.”

    5,700 year culture?

  • typingfromwork

    >Writing this definitely does not mean we believe fighting corruption is not important or should be put off. Quite the opposite, we believe fighting corruption indeed is the number one problem that must be solved for the reform of China’s political system, and it is also the common demand of the entire country.

    Just as usual, people form snap opinions based on sensationalised (and deliberately wrong) titles while not bothering to read what the real content is inside.

    Lovely internet.

  • Xiongmao

    “,,such as Indonesia, the Philippines, India, etc. where corruption are all much more severe than China.”

    Seems like someone is trying to cover his/her ass for the inspectors.

  • Cleo

    One of my earliest memories is of the glass door of my father’s gift shop. In large red calligraphy lined in gold was the name of the store drawn by a friend with respected handwriting. I was a baby and I knew it was beautiful. Why do Mainland Chinese signage use such sad stripped calligraphy styles?

  • Xiongmao

    Seems like someone read Han Han’s blog from a couple of years back, failed to spot the irony and thought it sounded pretty good.

  • Let a 1000 Red Envelopes be passed! {facepalm}

  • El Puma R.

    I don’t get it-
    They’re asking people to “allow corruption” when it’s actually THE people who is giving the gvt all the money they’re making. Yes, I said GIVING. Since I’m a teacher I’ve been able to see many unpleasant things regarding their educational system. In order to get a government job (which would allow you to get a mortgage, pay a car easier , and a significant raise in your salary) people is spending ALL their family’s life savings so they can pay the gvt official who’s gonna sing them up. And their children are the same ! PAYING university teachers so they don’t need to defend their scholar thesis, etc.

    I met a girl a couple of years ago, she was my friend’s spanish student in Jilin university. She graduated and a couple of months ago, got a job in the same Uni. But surprisingly two months later happened to own a porsche, and two brand new apartments in the most expensive zone in Changchun. Hmm…

    it’s the PEOPLE who are forced (or happily convinced) to bribe the school’s headmasters so their children can attend to class. 30,000 yuan is the “admission fee” each student’s parents have to pay for a decent government school. 60 students per class, more than 100 classes per school.. you do the math. Happens from kindergartens up to universities.

    BUYING driver licenses.
    BUYING recommendation letters and contracts.
    PAYING for them to end your contract (I even had to do it once)

    And now they say they’re angry about it ! what a bunch of retarded hypocritical pussies. Sorry China I love you very much but you are one truly fucked up country.

  • Northerner

    “The legal salaries of China’s government officials is very low, and the compensation for officials of some places is often realized through “unwritten rules”.

    http://ph.omg.yahoo.com/news/zhang-ziyi-investigated-prostitution-040200059.html

    Just as well there are alternative ways to earn income, allowing these poor, under-paid Chinese officials to live the sort of life the rest of us do.

    • Notorious

      wow i looked zhang ziyi’s scandal up and it’s false. reportly a rival actress started the lies and they say she is very well respected. Ziyi is currently going to sue for defamation.
      http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/china_star_sex_tale_smear_0FT8WSwU0qWWbvsIFGvv5H?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Page%20Six

      Chinese actress Zhang Ziyi has strongly denied reports she earned $100 million by having sex with disgraced politician Bo Xilai — and astonishingly, sources close to the “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon” star blame the reports on a smear campaign by a rival actress. It was reported that Zhang earned a fortune by prostituting herself to powerful Chinese men between 2007 and 2011, including to Xilai, who was recently removed from power following allegations he was involved in a murder plot. At the time, Zhang was dating financier Vivi Nevo. They were engaged in 2008, but split in 2010. Last night, reps for Zhang said she was consulting lawyers to sue for libel. Her rep said, “The accusations made against [Zhang] are completely false and defamatory. There is no truth in any of the allegations that have come forth, which are a result of calculated, cruel intentions against a well-respected, established actress. Legal repercussions are ensuing, and these slanderous reports will not be tolerated in any way.” Sources told us that Zhang believes the allegations were spread by a “jealous rival.” One said, “This isn’t the first time vicious rumors have been spread about her in the Chinese media by somebody who wants her roles and her success.” The source declined to name the rival, but added, “We will not put up with this, and will take every action necessary.”

      Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/china_star_sex_tale_smear_0FT8WSwU0qWWbvsIFGvv5H#ixzz1wVngATdO

      • Northerner

        Any attempt to discredit someone has to be based on something that is plausible.

        Whether she did it or not is not important, the fact that someone feels this kind of story would be plausible to the general public in China is somewhat telling.

        • Notorious

          kind of like in muslim countries when honor killings are performed when a young virgin is accused of committing adultery or having premarital sex, the family and neighbors stone her to death then examine her body after only to learn that the accuser lied. and yet, honor is restored to the family who has no regrets because it doesn’t matter if the accusation was true, but that people will believe it. do you mean like that?

          I believe it’s completely made up because i recall seeing that actress with her european boyfriend numerous times in the tabloids and i doubt she would be having sex with an old fart like the politician for money when she could easily move to america where she is considered a prized beauty and make money the honest way.

          • eattot

            haha,your nosy too!
            o,your not right at this point.
            her films lost big money because nobody is interested in her much nowadays.she is not that type men dream of without that fame and after her scandels,not many chances for her to paly in film and ad…no big shows or film festivals invite her any more.
            believe me,these actresses they sleep anyone can help them to get fame and money before they get some fame.unless it’s for special film,no need beauty.
            and to get a role in jackie chen’s film,every actress should to sleep with him.

          • Northerner

            No I don’t mean like that in any way. I mean that the story, real or not, has to have a level of plausibility for it to make headway with the masses. To a certain degree your example is also plausible, as it is not beyond the realms of possibility for a young Muslim woman to have sex before marriage or during marriage with another man. Whether an individual is guilty is another matter. For this story to fly the Chinese populace has to at least be of the mindset whereby they would think that it is actually possible. Hence eattot’s response (thanks eattot).

            If the story ran Zhang Ziyi accused of having bum sex with Elvis whilst wearing Neil Armstrong’s space suit I doubt anyone would give it the slightest credence.

            So whether true or false the story reflects what could happen, within the bounds of possibility, in China.

            Your last paragraph is special.

          • Notorious

            imn the nosiest, admittedly. I read a lot of tabloids lol. Why do chinese people dislike zhang ziyi? She has the different perception in the U.S. She’s not in demand anymore, and she is not offered movie roles because her english is not very good. But I think if she worked on that she would do well.

      • The fact that she denies it does not make it false, although if she were to leave China that would show that she is free to travel and not under investigation.

  • Charles

    The simple reason why China will never be a great nation = corruption.

    The military may grow strong and the rich may get richer, but the average person will still just be a slave to their corrupt masters. If you say this to the wrong person, he’ll simply call you a running dog of America. Unreal, how stupid these people can be.

  • In order to highlight similarities between the tone and cynicism of the Chinese editorial with Fox News talk shows, I have taken this translation and modified it with terms relevant to the US election and candidate, Mitt Romney. I have made these substitutions to make a simple point; although the effects of economic globalization and political inequality are different in the PRC and the USA, nevertheless the turn to cultural justification and excuse-mongering is similar.

    The implications of this point, however, are far from simple when our respective national debates end up in our interlocutor’s public sphere. For US citizens, for example, it is difficult to understand the prevalence of and popular resignation to Chinese corruption. Likewise, most Chinese see US concerns about gay marriage and reproductive freedom to be a case of privileged angst. In the worst case scenario, we focus on the other’s content to explain/ justify our inability to reach mutual understanding because, it seems so obvious (from our point-of-cultural-view) that our interlocutor has such fuck-up values. With the common end result, that in both countries, we end up focused on the cultural content of public debate, rather than on the political-economic structure that has created what are in both the PRC and USA, untenable situations.

    • moop

      wow, you’re really doing your part. really opened my eyes. 4 more wars! 4 more wars! 4 more wars!

      how to identify a political idealogue:
      if they are liberals the first thing they mention is fox news, if they are conservatives its hollywood. both are exaustingly retarded and not worth most people’s time.

    • dim mak

      >Likewise, most Chinese see US concerns about gay marriage and reproductive freedom to be a case of privileged angst.
      Aha, someone actually gets it

  • Looking forward to the Zhang Ziyi/Bo Xilai thread Fauna will do once it becomes safe enough to post it.

  • People of the world should invest in better and long lasting lube. Or just get paid in lube by the sounds of it.

  • Misaki

    >The legal salaries of China’s government officials is very low, and the compensation for officials of some places is often realized through “unwritten rules”.

    Best solution: equalize income in the private sector as well so that officials do not need bribes to be able to afford things like houses in Beijing.

    http://jobcreationplan.blogspot.com/2012/05/work-conservation-is-solution-to-global.html

    Of course, other stories here talk about officials who accept bribes that go to other people, like an extra house etc… (and I like the comparison that China = bribe the individual, US = bribe the political party through donations)

  • linette

    Don’t you think corruption should be published like capital crime. Corruption caused millions of death.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_schools_corruption_scandal

    Ministry officials and contractors who were said to be complicit in constructing the school buildings dangerously below government-mandated standards, while pocketing the remaining surplus…………

    Suppression of dissent
    In July 2008, local governments in the Sichuan Province coordinated a campaign to silence angry parents whose children died during the earthquake through monetary contracts. If the parents refused, officials threatened that they would receive nothing……..

    On July 25, 2008, Liu Shaokun (刘绍坤), a Sichuan school teacher….. , traveled to heavily hit areas after the May 12 Sichuan earthquake, took photos of collapsed school buildings, and put them online. In a media interview, he expressed his anger at “the shoddy ‘tofu’ buildings.” Liu was detained on June 25, 2008 at his school. He was ordered to serve one year of re-education through labor…………

    China officials and the corrupted China citizens…shame on you. All of you who committed corruption crime should be subject to capital punishment. Get rid of trash…

    Post these corruption news on China internet like baidu. Use google translation(don’t worry, it’s broken chinese but they will definitely understand) Let the China Chinese read their own nonsense day in and day out. Maybe they will wake up one day.

  • kodi

    I support putting a bullet in the head of corrupt officials no matter which country they are from. It seems like it would be considered a serious crime to abuse power and greedily profit more than the agreed amount at the expense of ordinary people. It should simply not be condoned. Maybe some people should go postal during congress, parliament, and politburo meetings.

  • Mike Miller

    Stop corruption at all costs

  • Sean Cauffiel

    The Global Times: The CCPs opinion… in English!

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