Foreigners Recruited to be Chengguan in Hefei, Reactions

FromPeople.com.cn:

Heifei’s “Foreign Chengguan” Attracting Onlookers on the Streets

“Helping a homeless old man blocking the sidewalk clear away his belongings”, “moving scooters that have been carelessly parked to where they should be parking”, and “advising car drivers to park in the right spots”. On the afternoon of July 14th, on the second ring road of Hefei City, Anhui Province, three foreigners in chengguan [urban management officers] uniforms on duty attracted the attention of many passersby.

On the second ring road, Prince from the Central African Republic reached out his hand and said to a driver who parked his car by the roadside, “Hello! Let’s shake hands, but I’m afraid you can’t park by the roadside.” The driver was taken back for a moment, but soon shook hands with the smiling young man and drove his car away from the roadside.

Three “foreign chengguan”, Prince from the Central African Republic, Javad from Afghanistan, and Qinbo from South Africa, are all foreign students in China. The three of them were recruited as Luyang District Xinghua Street urban management volunteers and help enforce the laws together with chengguan officers on the streets. Qinbo, whose Mandarin is the best among the three, has been in Hefei for four years and is now studying Finance and Chinese Language in Anhui University. “I’ve been living in Hefei for four years, it’s a nice place. I also know Hefei is striving to win the prize of National Civilized City, and I think we should also do our part, so I think this is very good.” Qinbo’s words astonished the other officers and the surrounding crowd.

Taking the refrigerators, umbrella tents and stools blocking the sidewalk outside back into their retail shops, moving randomly-parking scooters to the legitimate parking areas, giving parking tickets to cars parked on the paths for the blind…Qinbo is quite handy in these situations. After moving the stuff that was blocking the sidewalks, this foreign student of South African nationality also remembers to remind the shop owners, “These things are not to be put outside, they will obstruct the sidewalk, making it inconvenient for pedestrians.” He smiled, shook hands with the shop owner. And the shop owner said that he understood, with a smile on his face.

“I believe mutual understanding is very important. Chengguan enforcing the laws can run into situations where the other party is not in a good mood and using force to enforce the law could cause a lot of trouble, but if everyone mutually respected and was mutually understanding, [if everyone] communicated properly, then problems can be easily resolved,” Qinbo says.

The person in charge of the Xinghuacun Community Chengguan told the reporter that they will continue organizing every month different sorts of activities that help people “experience the job of the chengguan”, and invite people of different backgrounds to be chengguan volunteers.

“Foreign chengguan” participating in the job of urban management is still a novelty domestically, inciting heated debate among netizens. Some people think foreigners participating in urban management shows an open attitude towards expanding exchanges, while some others have raised questions, believing that a department that directly involves the interests of the ordinary common people like the chengguan using foreigners who don’t fully grasp the situation [dynamic between the people and the enforcers] for enforcement seems to be too arbitrary, and not in accordance with the seriousness/solemnity of administrative law enforcement

Using This to Raise Attention for the Work of Chengguan

There has always been major obstacles and lots of conflicts when it comes to chengguan enforcing the laws, the work hard and rarely given much understanding. The Xinhuacun Community Committee recruited foreign students as chengguan volunteers specifically hoping to help even more people better understand the work of the chengguan and understand the hardships of their hardships, to raise attention and concern amongst society for the work of chengguan.

Opinions

Pang Ce (Hefei city Luyang District Xinghuacun Community Committee): A first-hand experience of being a Chinese chengguan. Having our international friends experience urban management can be a new way for the world to understand China. The quality of a urban management is a key window for a country’s image. These three foreign young men working together with our chengguan officers, experiencing first-hand an important aspect of the grass-rots level of administration in China, is something I believe is worth promoting.

Zhang Chenghui (Beijing Language and Culture University): The effect of “foreign chengguan” may not necessarily be good.
“Foreign chengguan” don’t understand the social situation in China and many social customs and practices, so the effects of having them participate in urban management going onto the streets to enforce the law may not necessarily be good, and when it comes to certain problems where there are a lot of concentrated interests, poorly handling it may actually end up causing even greater problems.

Zhou Ran (Resident of Hefei City): “Experiencing the law enforcement job” is too casual.
Administrative enforcement is a serious thing. Having our foreign friends participate in the work of urban management may lessen people’s resistance [to enforcement] out of curiosity, but having them fully experience may also make city residents believe administrative enforcement is simple and arbitrary, not serious/solemn enough.

Comments from Sina Weibo :

狼王哲林:

Civilized law enforcement is something anyone would welcome.

鹤什么是妹子:

That China’s chengguan could attract so much attention from the public actually is itself a very peculiar thing.

砂子姐姐:

Foreigners are needed to to keep order in China? Why not just go ahead and give a concession/settlement to foreigners and save some trouble?

荒野地铁:

There sure are a lot of SBs who even think this is novel/interesting. Foreigners in China do not have the power/right to engage in law enforcement, so the relevant government departments involved have already broken the law! Our law-illiterate countrymen, always filled with servility!

零星小雨:

What will we have foreigners doing next? Running the government and nation?

小华女:

If their wages are the same then it doesn’t matter, as long as they don’t get special treatment.

进军北上广2012:

I think this kind of chengguan is what they should be like [in attitude/behavior]. If I were a street peddler, I could accept that.

不停的挖:

Now that even the chengguan are hiring laowai, finding a job in the future will be even harder.

YvesHugo:

Looks like the Chinese Dream is already taking shape!

Liu-jiali:

And the point of this is…for show?

六国小兵:

Next time have the SWAT team also be changed to black people!

生活也需要坚强:

Laowai chengguan being that gentle I can believe, but it won’t change the image of chengguan that the ordinary common people have in their hearts.

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  • dr_barefoot

    that’s hilarious

    i will not say the word

    • Dando Z

      Your sofa was blocking traffic. A helpful chengguan removed it, as well as the rest of your belongings.

  • Jeff

    I wanna be a make believe Chinese cop in the Pink Light District!

  • anon

    I like that the three young men are of three different shades of skin color.

    • donscarletti

      All the colours of the rainbow!

      Apart from you know, red through to violet.

      • terroir

        The new Chengguan of China: a veritable Benetton of control and order through force and tradition.

        Bet they have a groovy ad campaign.

  • La Mano Gaucha

    This is *very* interesting and could not only help make the “chengguan” civil servants more professional and civilized (as opposed to being often rightfully perceived as mere thugs), but also potentially expand the still very limited employment options of some non-nationals not doing business in China (if such a position can be acquired for pay, rather than volunteer). Further, it can help much of the local population get up-to-speed in how to deal, interact and respect non-Chinese people, even with those who are non-Caucasians. This program should be quickly expanded to all of China.

    • anon

      Given the amount of unemployed unskilled individuals in China, I’d say it’d be pretty hard to get these chengguan departments to actually hire even foreigners willing to accept the comparatively low wages that chengguan make. There would have to be some sort of “affirmative action” sort of policy in place to overcome reticence against foreigners due to simple discrimination or language concerns. I don’t have much of an impression on chengguan actually interacting much with non-Chinese people either but I agree some foreigners with different backgrounds and fresh attitudes could be a positive influence to the beleaguered chengguan institution.

      However, I think a lot of the corruption and thuggish behavior of the chengguan comes from not only poor selection, training, and enforcement (by superiors) but I suspect from simply being jaded from the job. It’s like bad cops or even onery postal workers. Some people become embittered by the job and end up being assholes. It’s usually the new recruits or cadets who haven’t been worn down that are still fresh-faced and full of idealism to do the job they believe they’re meant to do. But many of them become less enthusiastic, less professional, and less civilized after having to put up with the shit they face, both from the people they’re supposed to manage as well as other negative influences among their coworkers and in the system.

      If they want to use first-person experiences to help people better understand the chengguan perspective, where people have a greater appreciation for what they do by walking in their shoes for a day, I’m not sure how using foreigners will achieve this. The people the chengguan actually need to experience being chengguan are the ordinary Chinese people who may be unfairly critical of their institution. Those are the people who should experience the shit they experience to better appreciate how tough their jobs can be and thus be more compliant or supportive of their work (not when they cross the line into thuggery but their basic mission). Thing is, I can’t imagine many ordinary people volunteering to experience the life of a chengguan.

      It seems the only substantive fruits of this is slightly higher compliance rate owing to the novelty of the chengguan being foreigners and perhaps the good example these guys may have set so publicly. But its easy for the salty ones to just say the politeness of these foreign volunteers wouldn’t work if they were Chinese like themselves.

      • mr. wiener

        Welcome back anon, long time no post. I’ve missed your sermons.

        • Our anon, who art in china, long-winded be his name.
          His opinion law, it must be right, online as it is in china.
          Give us this day our daily facts and forgive us our wrong opinions
          As we forgive those who have trolled againat us.
          Lead us not into wikipedia, but deliver us from differences.
          For thine is the righteousness, the pomp and final word.
          Forever and ever.
          anon

          Hey, sup?

          • xiaohouzi

            Classic, Elijah!

          • whiskersthecat

            Haha
            This made me laugh, and almost no one on ChinaSMACK makes me laugh.

      • La Mano Gaucha

        Good post. Thanks for that.

        I thought about many of the things you wrote about as I was writing my original post. What you said is in essence right. Nevertheless, I feel that ideally it should be a combination of your ideas and mine. Such a scenario could well help many issues related to the “chengguan” thing — their level of professionalism, keeping more locals employed (and better selected and trained), the relationship between “chengguan” and public, and the public’s understanding of how to function in a society where working people from other cultural backgrounds are a part of routine life.

        One of the most important things that China needs to do if it really wishes to be considered something other than a developing country (regardless of how thick certain wallets are or become, and/or how powerful its military is or might be) is to improve its society and rule-of-law by a quantum leap. A “chengguan” reform/experiment like this could help in this matter. It’s not much, but it’s a start, and that is more than I’ve seen in ages — possibly in my entire 10+ years here, actually.

      • snicker

        I have an idea — how about all the educated people, wealthy people, homeowners, white collared people and business-owner/operators in China be given a special “intern” position as chengguan or farmer by the central government, and force their families to move with them to a far away place so that they can really get to understand the perspective of the urban managers in China. They can do that for several years and, you know, really do some learning. I think that will result in a more harmonious society, right? Bet nobody thought of that before!

  • ChineseFighter

    fuck off we are full.

    • moop

      b-b-b-but we’re your f-f-f-foreign f-f-f-f-friends

    • A GUY

      Of dicks.
      I finished you sentence.
      I just couldn’t help myself.

      • A GUY

        your*

    • Fabio

      chinese don’t really have idea of what is FULL of forigners.. in my country are about 10% or more. There’s one city where 50% of people are chinese.. that means FULL.

      • mr. wiener

        umm… zappa frank, don’t post under multiple names, it make you look like a total Bobby Brown.

        • Fabio

          bobby brown?

          • mr. wiener

            Frank Zappa song, funny as , look it up.

          • Jeff

            Someone who quotes Zappa… What kind of poncho you wearing today? I’ll bet it’s a Sears brand…

          • mr. wiener

            nope, knitted it myself, from my own pubic hair.

          • Tengu

            Can I get one of those ponchos in a Medium?

            Zappa – Best guitarist by Jazz magazine for several years, poor bastard. Dweezil took up the mantle.

            Ian underwood, Motörhead Sherwood and “I’m the Indian of the group” Jimmy Carl Black…and lest we forget “Busty” Ruth Underwood.

            “Hit it Zubin!”

      • maja

        as I suppose you’re italian and speaking of prato, I think italy still hasn’t many foreigners. maybe in a decade or two, when the little ones will be grown up, but at that point… can you still speak of foreigners?

        I think that’s interesting, people from outside will always be foreigners (like in china) but the sons/daughters, what will they be? probably as in other countries they will just be italians of a different ethnicity.

        still, it’s a bit difficult to think of chinese of african or european descent now, but if you take a look at places like, say, guangzhou…

        • Tengu

          First melting pot. They conquered and took the kings kid back to Rome so they could get tribute. I know red headed Sicilians, they came down with captured Celts.

    • Foreign Devil

      “fuck off I’m full”. . I hope you are playing on that line from a Monty Python skit involving an obese man who explodes.

  • filabusta

    I thought that this was a nice, harmless gesture, and then I read the Chinese comments. They are very anti-unpaid-internship for some strange xenophobic reason.

    • anon

      Yeah, I’m worried about the possible “using foreigners to oppress the locals” angle. China isn’t quite at that level of multiculturalism yet.

      • Canadian_Skies

        low! lol

      • donscarletti

        The only time I can think foreigners might be useful in policing is in corruption investigation. The Hong Kong ICAC worked so well because they found some rural bobbies in the West Country and oop North and basically they were too stupid to know how to take a bribe from Chinese.

        Though in this case, I can see why Chinese might be upset. It is Chengguan’s job to make sure everyone is doing socially acceptable things. In my country, if a police officer saw you spitting on the ground in an enclosed public space like an airport terminal, he would shove his truncheon up your arse, but in China, that would be excessive. Same as having a policeman in a western country who believes Sharia is good, even if he says he will uphold the local laws against his own beliefs, he’s not going to inspire much faith in resolving domestic violence cases.

        There is no reason for foreign chengguan and I don’t support it. It sends the wrong message to the community.

  • Brett Hunan

    Kind of piggybacking off of that other foreigner who got to be chengguan for a day. I wonder if anyone would actually listen to them, were they patrolling alone.

    • terroir

      “Laowai with a Badge”? Besides being a new FX series, are you kidding? This just legitimizes the massive sway and leeway that foreigners have.

      The trick is to have laowai want the same things the goobermant wants.

      • Tengu

        Nice to see The Hague has found a relocation spot for the dudes from Rwanda…

      • Brett Hunan

        I can imagine the street vendor’s head blowing up as I write this.

  • lonetrey

    I was slightly amused by the comments of “THEY TUK HIS JERB! DURKA DURRRR”.

    I think it’s not a bad idea. It seems to work in diffusing tension. But something tells me that it won’t be a permanent solution, and they’ll need to improve their methods later on…

  • Bo Xilai For Emperor

    I’m proud of my people, we are one step closer to have a revolution and install a black man as the leader of China.

    • filabusta

      lol the great China conspiracy.

    • Dr SUN

      First off love your handle

      and very funny

    • Gu Kailai

      Even the US doesn’t have a full black, only a mulatto. Maybe Lou Jing’s mom has a boy that could apply for the job? If you want a real African, you need to go to Africa. My suggestion, keep repeating: “Diversity is Your Strength.” Then, before long, you too can have your own inner city Detroit, Oakland, Atlanta…

      • Ami

        Or worse a city run by chinese natives!

  • terroir

    Checklist (surprised not mentioned in the netizen comments):
    * foreigners that get their way all the time in China now do it under the “law”
    * students are temporary workers that can be fired at any time to disavow responsibilities
    * foreigners occupying a universally Chineseman despised job
    * shows subservience of foreigners to new Chinese overlords

    These conditions set up a perfect storm that ensure this most radical of changes enforces the oldest of status quo. A veritable master stroke. For the rest of time, in the darkest recesses of lost hope, the guy who thought this up can chortle heartily to himself.

    Really, the only other perfect condition I can think of is if all marriages were now fully arranged, and then adultery was fully accepted and encouraged in Chinese society. Parents would get the matchups they want, and couples would receive the financial security they cccCrave as well as to be free to seek out the love they were denied by option #1.

    • maja

      I’m under the illusion that your scenario 2 is already reality..

    • Lakeman

      an interesting story here, I guess I totally missed it given it is from a while back…anyway, yeah me think this is just a gimmick and nothing more, good advertisement though.

      as for change in china, who knows, certain things change a lot, others a little bit, though some kinds of changes seem to be there always. But I think your statement about adultery is not really true, there are so many variables involved. You can’t just make an absolute statment like that, not very accurate seems to me.

      • Lakeman

        so yeah, no need to over analyze this story, don’t take it too seriously, not a big deal.

        • Lakeman

          don’t think this story will have much of an impact on china and the chinese or anything related to them.

          • Lakeman

            that’s why no need to worry about it.

          • John

            Yes. Just an entertaining story. I doubt anything more is going to come out of this. No need to make a big deal of it.

        • John

          On second thought, this story might mean something, but I doubt anything really significant though.

          • John

            I am getting sloppy. It should be “, though”.

          • John

            Getting picky: “, though.”.

          • John

            Probably don’t need that 2nd period in my previous post. I guess either way is probably okay. Sorry about that.

          • Lakeman

            Don’t worry about it. It’s fine.

          • john

            Lakeman, thanks. I know I made a few grammatical errors here and there in my posts in this thread.

          • John

            I just realized after so many weeks that my previous post was badly written, sorry about that. I am still having trouble understanding the first post in this little section (If we can say it like that). This sentence “and then adultery was fully accepted and encouraged in Chinese society” is just weird. Adultery is a complicated issue, and certainly it has never been “fully accepted and encouraged” in Chinese society, not now, not in the past. Furthermore, I don’t think China will fully accept and encourage adultery in the future either. Maybe the first post’s author is just talking about a hypothetical situation? I just don’t know. But one thing is for sure, as I understand it, reviving China’s past tradition does not involve the full acceptance and encouragement of adultery.

            Another thing is, terroir’s (The first post’s author) analysis of this story is just very odd, to say the least. Of course, it is possible that he was just having fun. As for changes in China, well, China has been through some major changes since the 19th century. While certain things seem to have stayed the same, I think overall, the country has changed quite a bit since the 19th century. So who knows what is going to happen next? Where is China heading? Who knows? Anyway, this Chengguan story is certainly very interesting.

            I apologize for my not so great writing skills in this post and in my other posts in this thread (Yes, I am borrowing this line from David).

          • Lakeman

            @John

            See my post below. Yes I agree with you on many points. I might have misread the original poster, but then again, I just don’t know, maybe I did read him right. The point is, adultery has never been fully accepted in China, not in the past, not now, nor will it be in the future.

          • Lakeman

            In my previous post, it should’ve been, “See one of my long posts below”.

  • Bo Xilai For Emperor

    I’m expecting Hongjiang here in no time….I wanna see how HJ react to this, this is a truly Kodak moment…HJ your new masters are waiting for you to bow down

    • terroir

      Anchor: (to be thrown overboard) “We now turn to our correspondent Hongjian for reaction to this story. Hongjian.”

      [Hongjian spews a rancid rant of bile and hatred, albeit in a humorous fashion]

      Yup. Hongjian has crossed the line from being a supervillain into a mockery of herself. Shall we say, Robert DeNiro’s career if it was spreading hatred was on par with making movies.

      Doesn’t Hongjian have a Twitter that people love to enjoy ironically? “Shit Hongjian says…” She’s like Chevy Chase on Community (well… okay. Not that bad….)

  • Joe

    “Zhang Chenghui (Beijing Language and Culture University): The effect of “foreign chengguan” may not necessarily be good.
    “Foreign chengguan” don’t understand the social situation in China and many social customs and practices, so the effects of having them participate in urban management going onto the streets to enforce the law may not necessarily be good, and when it comes to certain problems where there are a lot of concentrated interests, poorly handling it may actually end up causing even greater problems.”

    So it should be the Chengguan’s responsibility to inform the foreign Chengguan which places are run by the mafia, and who pays up the good bribes. Imagine what would happen if a bunch of African Chengguan busted up a big brothel. Think about the recent masses that gathered around an African dying under suspicious circumstances.

    I’m totally for hiring foreign Chengguan, though. If you look at China’s dependency ratio (number of workers to number of non-workers–retired/children) and where it is going in the future, China has little choice but to start importing labor. I don’t think putting them into the Chengguan first is the best way to introduce what will be a very controversial necessity in the next 20 or so years, though.

  • Nyancat

    Zhang Chenghui (Beijing Language and Culture University): The effect of “foreign chengguan” may not necessarily be good.
    “Foreign chengguan” don’t understand the social situation in China and many social customs and practices, so the effects of having them participate in urban management going onto the streets to enforce the law may not necessarily be good, and when it comes to certain problems where there are a lot of concentrated interests, poorly handling it may actually end up causing even greater problems.

    Oh yeah right, like anyone could handle a situation as poorly as the ‘original’ chengguan.

    • tai wai

      Oh yeah right, like anyone could handle a situation as poorly as the ‘original’ chengguan.

      No, he has a point. For example, they don’t understand the social customs and practices of having to kick an old farm woman in the stomach for selling jujubes without a license.

      Basically, he’s saying that they threaten to undermine the power dichotomy.

  • don

    Hey China-take a look at America. You’ll be very,very sorry if you allow Africans to keep coming into your country.

    • Hey don, take a look in the mirror… You should see an idiot! lol!

      • Nyancat

        no no no, he’ll see a phallus.

    • moop

      pathetic

    • A GUY

      I know I “hate” sooo much how my country has been destroyed by African’s.
      I “hate” that we are wealthy, fat and happy. I “hate” that we as American’s can lay claim to being the home of the blues, jazz, rock, hip-hop, and the modern sense of cool that most countries emulate. I “hate” the opportunity to get it on with all the different beautiful people that the intermixing of African’s and other races has brought to America (not to mention those that are all black.) Yep whats to like about that?

      What I really hate is that the history of how they got here isn’t one of peaceful integration but of bigotry and subjugation. All the things you talk about making America “sorry” stem from that past not from the African’s themselves. So it is racism that has made America sorry so thanks a-lot you ignorant fuck.

    • Nanny Hiccups

      Africans weren’t “allowed” into the U.S. You forgot the part where they were kidnapped from their land, beaten, raped, and forced to live there.

      • Tengu

        Agree with you, but many were kidnapped and sold by their own people.

        • tai wai

          Agree with you, but many were kidnapped and sold by their own people.

          Oh, well, that’s all right then. Both sides are bad!

          • Tengu

            Both sides culpable…

            Not revisionist …fact…doesn’t make it right, whole trade was wrong, degrading and still goes on…everywhere, you name it, you can buy someone in more places than you can even imagine.

            Most of the wealthy New England families made their money from either the opium trade or the slave trade, but now it’s been laundered through so many generations the origins have been forgotten.

          • Tengu

            The slave traders of sll countries took advantage of tribal conflicts to maximize their profits…..USA has been doing it for years.

            We put a dictator in power one year, three years later we’re in gunships blowing up the presidential palace, we’ll continue to do that, simple economics interwoven with our imperialist attitude.

            Old Machiavellian theory…still works…he got his inspiration from Sun Tzu so did Clausewitz.

            Still many tribal conflicts going on on the Entire African continent, they may be masked as “political” , but they’re tribal and still stem from the random demarcation of boundaries graphed by the colonial empires of Europe. They’re still fighting about those boundaries today because the Europeans split the land and did not take into account the cultural integrity/tribal differences within the confines of the land each country confiscated.

            BTW – nanny I can hear you sptting and hissng already, but remember…we’re ALL descendants of a small woman who lived a very, very long time ago in an obscure valley in what is now Ethiopia.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            tengu, i’m not spitting or hissing. i just know it for what it is, revisionist history. ie, people refusing to accept responsibility for the past that they still benefit from today.

            now the descendants of slave traders want to blame the africans for the stolen generations of kidnapped people now it’s “uh, but the africans sold slaves!” – I know the history buddy. Ghana which had its own king and queen, from the ashante “monarchy” was the only nation that sold it’s prisoners of war to european slave traders. Soon, those same slave traders were taking africans by force until all of africa had been conquered.

            Ten years ago, the story was a little closer to the truth. Now we have revisionist crap not unlike the japanese who claim chinese people in nanjing welcomed them. In twenty years, it will be the africans were driving slave ships to america, and in a hundred years, it will be the slaves were in american selling each other. the story gets diluted over time. Just more lies and more people trying to keep their nostrils clean.

          • Oh fer fuck sake, get over it! What’s it been now? 160 years?

          • Nanny Hiccups

            what are you on about? we’re having a discussion. sit down. what, we can’t talk about history? Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable but it’s history son, nothing wrong with chatting about it. Seems you’re the one who needs to urr, “get over it”.

          • moop
          • Nanny Hiccups

            yep, because the media is totally incapable of revisionist history. sheesh, this is as bad as holocaust denials (oh noes she just compared 400 years of slavery to the holocaust!)

            let us agree to disagree. REVISIONIST HISTORY. deny deny deny. :)

          • moop

            that article was written by a prominent black scholar, and the evidence in general is overwhelming. not really sure why you are in denial. slave trade was a horrible thing and EVERYONE involved is culpable, that includes africans who traded slaves as well. it was common knowledge that slaves where traded by africans to whites, as frederick douglas (a total bad ass) stated ” “The savage chiefs of the western coasts of Africa, who for ages have been accustomed to selling their captives into bondage and pocketing the ready cash for them, will not more readily accept our moral and economical ideas than the slave traders of Maryland and Virginia,” he warned. “We are, therefore, less inclined to go to Africa to work against the slave trade than to stay here to work against it.””
            its not revisionist history when its been known as fact for so long

          • Nanny Hiccups

            I know who henry louis gates is, he’s a prominent black scholar and professor at harvard. I’m still saying, that i love how americans now want to wipe their hands clean and blame africans. REVISIONIST HISTORY. They had not only a big part in it, but facilitated this movement for 400 years. They are the cause of slavery and thankfully, the end of it.

            I do not celebrate the 4th of july for one reason. If the brits had won america’s war of independence, the slaves would have been free, since britain freed their slaves 100 years before america and promised to free the slaves if they won. celebrating the 4th of july is like celebrating oppression for black slaves. if america was smart, it would have bought the slaves from capitivity like the brits did. there would be no bitterness or a civil war.

          • moop

            no one is trying to wipe their hands clean. its a little ridiculous to not look at both sides and when one does that there is a lot of evidence for blame on both sides. the only people that seem to be denying this fact are african americans. africans in africa seem to understand their own history and look at african slave trade as it should be: a terrible time in world history and a tragedy, fed by not only racial hatred on behalf of whites, but tribal conflicts in africa and GREED on both sides.

            “In Senegambia, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early Islamic states of the western Sudan, including Ghana (750–1076), Mali (1235–1645), Segou (1712–1861), and Songhai (1275–1591), about a third of the population were enslaved. In Sierra Leone in the 19th century about half of the population consisted of enslaved people. In the 19th century at least half the population was enslaved among the Duala of the Cameroon and other peoples of the lower Niger, the Kongo, and the Kasanje kingdom and Chokwe of Angola. Among the Ashanti and Yoruba a third of the population consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Kanem (1600–1800) was about a third-enslaved. It was perhaps 40% in Bornu (1580–1890). Between 1750 and 1900 from one- to two-thirds of the entire population of the Fulani jihad states consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Sokoto caliphate formed by Hausas in the northern Nigeria and Cameroon was half-enslaved in the 19th century.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade

            the first peoples to enslave africans outside of africa were arabs … the first whites to have african slaves came several hundred years later in the late 1400s. whites did not invent slavery as you have stated before. arab slave trade didnt even end until 1900. slavery sucks and is evil. but you’re dishonest for trying to blame an entire race, when in actuality every race has blood on its hands

          • Yeah…I’m so overwhelmed with guilt I can’t even bring myself to shoot pool. I mean…think about it. You use a white ball to hit all the other colored balls into the pocket. Sometimes they get hit really, really hard, like on the break. The winner is the guy that uses the white ball to knock the black ball into the pocket. That fucking game has racism all over it.
            My father was a Native American from the Creek tribe, but somehow I manage to control my urge to constantly remind everybody “White man come….catch all fish…shoot all buffalo…cut down all trees”.
            By the way…after the slaves were freed they were invited to go back to Africa but only a few did(I think this was how Liberia was started but I care so little about this topic I’m not going to even google it.)

          • Nanny Hiccups

            I know who started the slave trade and I know the history as I am formally educated in this stuff (just lacking an interest in it these days).

            It comes as no surprise to me that african has slaves. Slavery is a common practice, except that it does not have the “racism” behind it – that whole element made it even more insidious than it already was.

            Africans today have what they call “house boys” or “house girls” whose parents sell them to other families for mere change because they are too poor to raise them. Those kids live in servitude for most of their lives, if not killed for stealing or some other reason. It’s quite sad actually.

            I’m just saying, all of this aside, AMERICANS are directly responsible for the 400 year slave trade in Africa. They are 100% responsible, doesn’t matter if the africans pushed them into the ocean onto their ships – They were all too willing to exploit human beings for hundreds of years, then maintain a system of racism after. I’m just saying it’s evil. That’s all. nothing wrong with that lol. i don’t hate the player, gotta hate the game.

          • linette

            house boys” or “house girls” whose parents sell them to other families for mere change because they are too poor to raise them. Those kids live in servitude for most of their lives, if not killed for stealing or some other reason……..

            So sad. :(
            Little kids don’t get to see their parents anymore?

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Unfortunately, Linette. I have a friend who is African and she told me about it ten years ago. I remember a story she mentioned where the girl lived in a cold room at the back of the house at the bording school she attend in nigeria. She said that the girl made some mistake and she remembers one of the ladies at the bording school hitting so hard with a shoe on top of her head, blood ran down her face. It’s quite merciless, and sad and these kids live this way with no input into their own lives. some live normally like a member of the family, some are abused. it was really sad when she told me that but to her it was normal and just the way things are.

          • linette

            nanny, so terrible. I often wonder why parents who are in financial distress still have kids. I see parents unable to provide basic needs still giving birth to many children. Why? Why bring children into this world when you as parents have nothing to offer but misery?

            You see people from poor places have many kids and end up selling them as slave or starving them to death. Drug addicts women have kids without father around, and the kids end up living on street. These kids grow up never experience simple human kindness usually end up living a trouble life. What is it doing to the world we are living in?

        • Nanny Hiccups

          Sorry, Tenguan. Revisionist history.

          • Tommy

            I really don’t have an answer, but this is an interesting question.

            If you measured the happiness of every successive generation of slaves who were brought to America and every successive generation of Africans from the same area the slaves were taken from–who would have higher levels of happiness?

            Of course slavery is morally wrong and that’s a shameful bit of history. But it’s still interesting.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            tommy, are you implying that the descendants of slaves are happier because they are in america than the descedants who are still in africa?

            i think it’s uninteresting. for one, we don’t know how happy or developed africa would be if not for european colonization, imperialism, and slavery. perhaps without that interference, africa would be developed and beautiful and not so mentally scarred after centuries of terrifying abuse.

      • Jin

        African Americans should be thankful that they were shipped to America for slavery if not they still be living in African countries where regular raping and killing still goes on.

        There would be no Oprah no Beyonce (or any other black entertainers) no Muhammad Ali etc

        • moop

          ah yes, the “blessings” of slavery. are you still counting yours?

          • Jin

            No we still fitting you imperialist pigs here in China..using our people raping or people and sucking all the resources from our county.

            You have marketed and brain washed Chinese into all your western vices and in the end we will pay the price when you are well gone.

          • moop

            hahahahahhahah

            i guess we invented baijiu and mahjongh? please let me know which resources we are sucking from your country seeing that china doesnt have any to begin with. china has become the scourge of the earth when resources are concerned and only getting worse. you’re now on the same CO2 per capita as Europe, and as you like to remind everyone you’re still a “developing” country 呸 !

          • Tengu

            My family is from Naples, we just waited them all out, Spanish, Moors, French, Boubons, Saxons, we’re a patient vengeful people.

        • SuperHappyCow

          Jin, bro.

          I really want to shit in your asshole.

          • mr. wiener

            ewwwww!

          • Jin

            No thanks you can keep your sexual habits for your fellow aids loving black family in Africa.

          • SuperHappyCow

            You’re a real fucking idiot.

            This feces is GRADE A.

            PRIMO, and you don’t want me to put it in your ass.

            Fuck you, idiot.

    • TraderPaul

      China needs more diversity to overcome its backwardness and general apathy. America is doing fine with its immigrants. It was built on immigration. Sure there is still a lot of poverty in the U.S. but overall the country is much more competitive than China and black-americans earn much more than the chinese on a per-capita basis.

      • tai wai

        America is doing fine with its immigrants.

        Eh. Americans are doing fine with some immigrants. Or, put another way, some immigrants do fine in America.

        I’m a white dude who grew up in an pretty ethnic neighborhood. There was, like, three other white kids in my neighborhood, and they were douchebags. So, my best friends were Peruvian, S. Korean, and Filipino who came over at a young age.

        They integrated well. Worked hard, learned the rules, and went on to good schools and good jobs.

        But most of the immigrant kids in my neighborhood? They decided they didn’t want to act “white.” They ended up, well, going nowhere. Or going to jail.

        Now whenever I go to some ethnic enclave here (or even most expat bars), where everyone bitches about Chinese people, I think: “You guys would be the ones that failed back home.”

        Maybe it’s easier, overall, to integrate into the culture in the US, because the culture is pretty broad. But it still seems to me that the main determining factor for success is whether you are willing to do so.

        • Nanny Hiccups

          Tai wai, you’re lying. American kids take their advantages for granted. Most africans come to america to live intermingle with whites and really don’t seek relationships with american blacks. So I highly doubt any africans in the usa, fear “acting white” when they are primarily part of american culture they want to experience.

          I can’t speak for other groups. Typically only american black kids want to distance themselves from white people and white culture due to the feeling that white people are racist and nerdy/lame.

          • tai wai

            No, I’m not lying. It was a real big deal to the other Hispanics in the neighborhood that my friend spent all his time hanging out with some white kid.

            Not such a big deal for the Asian (S. Korean, Filipino, at least) kids, though, that’s true. I’m not sure where overseas Chinese ethnic Enclaves fits into this. Or middle-eastern.

            Anyway, I am also aware that immigrant Africans tend to look down on African-Americans. A friend and coworker was from Sierra Leone. That’s one seriously corrupt, and poor, place. But you should have heard him curse black Americans…

          • Nanny Hiccups

            i dated an african dude when i was a teenager. he told me he was shocked when he came to american and saw black people driving cars. i was like, wtf? LOL it’s almost comical. people in other countries have some weird perception of what black people in america are like.

            in this african dude’s defense (he was from senegal), he, and others i know from black nations, said that on their television, black americans are shown as being on welfare and in gangs, etc. So it’s shocking when they come here and see the opposite, and all the affluent black people, including those of national prestige. i don’t think people outside of america are even aware of that aspect of american culture so i tend to feel a bit amused when outsiders make comments about american blacks.

        • Dr SUN

          I think the movie “Crash” was a pretty truthful account of integration in the USA.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            uuummm… what part of america do you live in? Stuff like that never happens. No-one is really confrontation about race in america, they only do it online. I think the “emotions” behind crash were real, but no one is ever that blunt in person to say and act the way the people did.

          • Dr SUN

            Denver CO and Taos NM, we left after the second drive by shooting at our Adobe by some local gang bangers.
            That pilled on top of the two constant years of ” hey slanty eyed, you love me long time” abuse , pretty much ended my wife’s love affair of being an immigrant in the USA and so we moved to China.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            That sucks, Dr. Sun. Are you too, an immigrant or American? I never think about Asians receiving harsh treatment or racism in the USA. I never see it so it surprises me. I don’t think you’re lying though. It’s just sad that people have to go through that.

    • Foreign Devil

      Donny boy. . your ancestors forced Africans to come to America to work as slaves. They didn’t want to go there of their own free will.

    • Dat Ankle

      In reality, it should be the other way around. China should look to Africa to see the worst of what foreigners can do to a country.

      • Nanny Hiccups

        true dat. but china knows no one is trying to overthrow them or purge their resources or cause conflicts, so they have nothing to fear from foreigners. africa has been ripe for exploitation for centuries. which is pretty sad. it’s like hey, let’s fuck this place over. then treat THEM with contempt lol. china is smart for being xenophobic sometimes. the africans made the mistake of welcoming people in.

  • Read this awhile ago. It’s great that people here on student visas can find work legally! :D

  • Lee

    They hired foreigners to be Chengguan, so what?
    In HK, they hired Indians, etc. to be cops, what’s the big deal, China?
    Is this news?

    • Joe

      South Africa Ends Apartheid ===> Is this news? No! America ended it in the 60’s!
      North Korea Ends Communism===> Is this news? No! USSR ended it the 80’s!
      USA agrees to Kyoto Protocols====>Also not news, Japan did it in the 90’s!

      • lee

        I agree with you; those issues you mentioned are not news at all

    • linette

      As long as they meet the requirements and possess the skills to perform the job, I don’t see any problem.

      • Tengu

        Ever driven in a taxi in NYC, lack of qualifications has never hindered anyone from getting a license. I will eschew commentary on Chinese cabdrivers.

    • Timbuktoo

      Just got to mention that the first HK Police force was made up of Indians that were brought over by the British. The entire force.

  • Rod

    “and when it comes to certain problems where there are a lot of concentrated interests”

    …in other words, the law only applies to some people, and you have to know who to apply it to.

    Wouldn’t want to make anyone look bad by ticketing a government official, right?

  • Scott

    It can be easily, correctly and effectively translated as a noun at once singular and plural, the “urban control”.

  • terroir

    Pang Ce – “Having our international friends experience urban management can be a new way for the world to understand China.”

    This is assuming the world operates as closed societies in which the smallest actions can be construed to have the biggest ramifications as new information jockeys for domination against long-held notions. Like China.

    To some people Marco Polo is the only familiar relatable entity to shed light onto a foreign culture; to others it’s only worth shouting out whenever you’re in the pool

    • moop

      no way bro, i’m a shark vs guppy kinda guy through-and-through.

    • tai wai

      “This is assuming the world operates as closed societies in which the smallest actions can be construed to have the biggest ramifications as new information jockeys for domination against long-held notions. Like China.”

      Small actions do often have large ramifications against long held beliefs, and not just in China.

      In 1955, a tired seamstress refused to give up her seat on a Montgomery, AL bus. You might have heard of her.

      • terroir

        Sure I’ve heard of her. I know Koreans don’t get a lot of respect in China, but it’s great to finally see minorities get respect with such civil rights trailblazers as Rose Park.

      • moop

        “On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks refused to obey bus driver James F. Blake’s order that she give up her seat to make room for a white passenger. Parks was not the first to resist bus segregation. Others had taken similar steps in the twentieth century, including Irene Morgan in 1946, Sarah Louise Keys in 1955, and Claudette Colvin nine months before Parks, but NAACP organizers believed that Parks was the best candidate for seeing through a court challenge after her arrest for civil disobedience.”

        what she did was right, but lets be honest, you only know her name because the naacp wanted you to.

        • tai wai

          what she did was right, but lets be honest, you only know her name because the naacp wanted you to.

          Oh, I know. She worked for NAACP. Doesn’t change the argument in the slightest, though.

          They used small actions — a bus seat, a lunch counter, etc. — to draw national attention to, and work to change, deep rooted perceptions.

          • moop

            i dont consider court cases, mass demonstrations, and marches, and large-scale civil disobedience small things. nor do i see the having the backing of a national organization as a small thing. the bus seat and lunch counter are irrelevant in themselves as is the act of civil disobedience without the big things like witness stands, the testimonies, news coverage, judges, the media and juries.

          • tai wai

            the bus seat and lunch counter are irrelevant in themselves as is the act of civil disobedience without the big things like witness stands, the testimonies, news coverage, judges, the media and juries.

            And foreign Chengguan are largely irrelevant, but for the media coverage and discussions about them.

          • moop

            context my friend. this is china. next week or in a couple days there will be a negative story about foreigners and this will be forgotten. chinese sentiment about foreigners seems to go into whatever direction the news does and that goes back and forth all the time. china doesnt like change unless it has chinese characteristics. this is a PR stunt and will lead to no change at all. besides, the goal of this is to change people’s perception of the chengguan in china. this is not some kind of revolutionary step

          • tai wai

            next week or in a couple days there will be a negative story about foreigners and this will be forgotten. chinese sentiment about foreigners seems to go into whatever direction the news does and that goes back and forth all the time.

            Eh, true. But maybe that also makes sense.

            I’m currently reading this interesting article:

            http://www.socialsciences.manchester.ac.uk/disciplines/politics/about/themes/cip/publications/documents/TianxiavsShijieworkingpaperApril09.pdf

            The notions of tianxia and shijie could perhaps also be seen as complementary opposites representing the opposing values of stability and openness to change, where tianxia is represented as hierarchical and orderly and shijie stands for change in an everchanging world.

            I think the flip-flopping nature might be in the same vein: Openness to change, but also reticence to the instability that comes from any change.

            Foreigners are assholes that don’t follow our rules and create problems: Tianxia.

            Foreigners have interesting perspectives that we can learn from, and we’d do well to get along: “Cosmopolitanism:” Shijie zhuyi.

          • moop

            i’ll check that out brudda

      • tai wai

        i’ll check that out brudda

        You might also be interested in the following; it’s about difficulties building trust between China and the US, and is what lead me down this path.

        http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2012/3/30%20us%20china%20lieberthal/0330_china_lieberthal.pdf

        Although China’s economic and political interests
        are increasingly reaching around the world, its geoeconomic
        and geopolitical center of gravity remains in Asia, or what the
        leaders of China refer to as its “periphery.”

        Asia is China’s “periphery?” Not a group of sovereign nations? Well, that just made me think of this:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tianxia_zh-hans.svg

    • Nanny Hiccups

      China is essentially, a dystopian society so these little things do have major impact in this society.

      • terroir

        1. Maybe you think China is a dystopian society, but the masses in China think it is heaven. Wherever you live is full of debt, crime, poverty, ignorance, and nothing good to eat (no rice? Whaddaya mean, no hot water???)

        2. As Chinesemen love to tell you, China is really old. (Like, at least 4,000 years) While something that old will undergo change over time, it also resists change in terms of customs, traditions and changes in authority.

        So while China is now wowing the world with its enormous change, I think what should be even more surprising is how it is resisting change. As such, little acts like this do not contribute to change, but instead contribute to the status quo. (see my post above for the lowdown on that)

        3. As with all step 3’s: Enjoy.

        • Davd C.

          “1. Maybe you think China is a dystopian society, but the masses in China think it is heaven. Wherever you live is full of debt, crime, poverty, ignorance, and nothing good to eat (no rice? Whaddaya mean, no hot water???)”

          Don’t know about your experience, but at least among the people I have talked to, not many of them would say China is “heaven” right now.

          • Lakeman

            agreed with Davd C, don’t think most of the Chinese masses think China is heaven, especially now.

        • Tengu

          Chinese have been cultivating rice for over 8,000 years which puts the way ahead of any other country in the agricultural curve by about 3,000 years…

          Change, but no change…”plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose”

          • Lakeman

            hard to say, but changes can be both big and small, it seems China is changing, for better or for worse.

          • Lakeman

            1. There have always been changes in China (anything related to her) sometimes big, sometimes small, sometimes bad, sometimes good, whatever (form, kind, type…etc.) they might be. However, China (anything related to her) certainly was/had been/has been/is/will keep on changing, in the past, in the present, and in the future. Yes, it’s true sometimes resistance to change was/had been/has been/is/will be there, and certain things has/had remained the same for some time now. But overall, China has/had been changing for a long time from the earliest times to now, and is currently still changing, and will continue to change in the future. I do believe there are more changes in things than things staying the same in China right now, and this has been the case for a some time now. In the past, maybe not, maybe yes, hard to tell. In the future, who knows. But the point is, changes did happen/do happen/will happen/have been happening/had been happening/were happening/will be happening in China (anything related to her), in the past, in the present, and in the future as well. Also, this story right here doesn’t really mean much regarding change in China. It’s just a fashion thing, a gimmick, I think. I doubt this little experiment will mean much and will have some big influence (I don’t think it had/has/has had any big impact so far). I also don’t think we can use this story to really really understand China (anything related to her), whether it’s in the past, now, or in the future. Btw, I am not sure about the agricultural claim made by Tengu. I am not sure if the info is correct.

            2. As for Chinese leaders thinking the rest of Asia as China’s periphery, in the past, yes. But from the late 19th century to now, pretty much no. Okay, maybe a little of this more recently, but overall, I don’t think that’s the case. Will this be the case in the future? Who knows. As for Tianxia, it’s a complicated concept, but outsiders can certainly become a part of China (anything related to her) if they acknowledge and recognize the Chinese worldview and world order. But that’s in the past too, I don’t think this kind of world order (and concept) will happen and take place again in the future.

            3. For the post below, why do these Chinese gawk at the foreign chengguan? Well, maybe because it’s rare and novel and new, and people have never seen it before? Okay, not everyone gawk at new stuff, but many many people from all places (maybe from any time period) do. I know many foreigners complain about gawking in China, but I think in general, most Chinese don’t mean any harm when they do that. It’s just many Chinese especially from but not limted to the inland areas have not seen that many foreign things (including people, of course) before. So it’s new to them. For those who have seen foreign things in China (no matter the area), certainly it’s not good to gawk. Anyway, I believe many Chinese are/were/have been/will be aware of this problem, and many of them are/were/have been/will be working to correct it.

  • B*tches, Leave

    Why, oh why NEED them people GAWK at everything/anything?

    • Alexander

      As if they really had anything better to do…….. perhaps watching paint dry on a wall would be more interesting for them?

  • markus

    It’s a nice idea but i dont think it will work for the Chinese people, i dont think they are ready for this kind of thing. But i hope im wrong.

    but if just one “lao wai” does something bad, that would reflect on all “lao wai” in China no matter who you are or where you’re from.

    • Alexander

      Its fake….. its very obvious……

  • Joe

    Oh great! The Hefei chengguan will scare all the criminals, and send more Anhui people to Zhejiang to steal my wallet again!!

    ;)

  • sm

    This is a piece of really old news . I’d like to see the reactions to the beauty contest.

  • Nick in Beijing

    Notice how all three people are from regions of the world where China has immense business (and possibly military) interests?

  • Slob

    Cool, now the general public have more reasons to hate foreigners.

  • FUCK EFL

    And suddenly a whole new career tree for English teachers opens.

  • The Enlightened One

    I am mixed on if this is good or bad.

    I think it is good if they be very careful, then they can politely teach the people manners with respect rather than with disdain and force.

    However, I really don’t think treating foreigners as a novelty factor is a good idea. That’s why Chinese think all foreigners should act like clowns in an English class (thanks Da Shan).

    If they (the Chinese) can learn through example and take it seriously then it’s good. If they see it as a bunch of monkeys parading around and putting on a show… then it is embarrassing.

  • whiskersthecat

    These three guys look like tools anyway.

    • Tengu

      Short and concise!!!!!!

    • hooots

      Yeah, if someone approached me and offered me this gig, I would definitely decline. The last thing I would want is to have my picture plastered all over the internet in that ridiculous uniform offering myself up as the prime example of a foreigner becoming a tool of the Chinese government. These guys are the definition of tool. Tools, I say. Tools, all of them!

      But, seeing that the one guy has stayed there and studied for 4 years, I can understand his interest in kissing Chinese government ass. Oh, how I pity his lost soul.

      • Tengu

        Hooteronomy… How hangeth the hammer?

      • Now hooots, I’d bet you’d look pretty snappy in one of those outfits. Plus, you probably heard that the ladies love a man in uniform

  • Alexander

    STAGED………. nice fake photo shoot……..(notice their ID numbers do not correspond together like it would if they all joined at the same time like it portrays in the photos…..) perhaps next they can make a Chinese Navy Ship with foreigners as the sailors……… These fake bullshit stories belong on fake news websites like “the Onion”………

    • Me

      Of course this is a fake story.

      Anyway if this were real it would be a dream come true for me. Finally I would have the right to beat the shit out of the shit smelling, crap peddling , loud talking, in my face smoke blowing, sidewalk pissing, pedestrian obstructing motherfuckers you see everywhere in this country. Why do Chinese people not appreciate the Chenguan? They are heroes doing the jobs that the police are too lazy to do. I just wish they were armed and had judge/jury/executioner powers. Judge Dreadd Style!

      • Alexander

        Agreed…. but some of the foreigners in China are convicted criminals themselves who couldn’t pass a background check in their own countries…. Definitely need to check people out before given them a badge or letting them teach children….

    • tai wai

      Um. I’m just guessing here, but since they were just unpaid, temporary volunteers, that they were borrowing someone else’s uniforms.

      Or, perhaps you are right, and there’s some big conspiracy or something. That makes sense, too!

      • Alexander

        Yeah, because government officials love letting civilians use their stuff…… I suppose the army would let me borrow a gun if I was an unpaid, temporary volunteer? Come on be realistic……

  • Getrealson

    Absolutley pathetic!

    Some dickhead in middle management has had a brain fart (which anyone who has ever taught in a college in china will know all too well) and miraculously got it OK’d with senior management. Chengguan are Turds of the highest order. They’ve got a well deserved PR problem and seek to improve it on the back of what little standing foreigners have (Post british rapist & black student fighting with girl after traffic accident etc etc). Some fools see this as a win for non residents seeking employment here, but realise that we (outsiders) have just been publicly placed beside Chengguan on the country’s shit list.

  • Sean

    Chinese act as if Chinese are not hired into government positions in other countries. 1.3 billion know-nothings.

  • Cleo

    That’s so great, an opportunity to make friends by choosing the nicest foreigners as representatives of their country. That’s really a big deal for Chinese people since the government is on tenterhooks for hybrids or just paid operatives from friendly countries working on behalf of Germany and Japan. Yang Rui’s outburst was no accident and should be scrutinized by every Chinese. Don’t let the internet comments tell you what to think. Look at the sober news personality who was the one to make the curse-laden outburst – it was meant to get your attention – so look at what he is saying and looking at the situation China is still in thanks to remorseless Orcs and Goblins who just won’t stop.

    They won’t give up, they won’t behave even if their entire countries’ nuclear plants exploded all over them. They have to BE stopped. They’re not smart enough to simply behave.

  • Nanny Hiccups

    Man, seems like everything over there is like being born all over again each day.

    • Getrealson

      You’re Damn right! right on the money!

  • tai wai

    “Foreigners are needed to to keep order in China? Why not just go ahead and give a concession/settlement to foreigners and save some trouble?”

    Oh, for crying out loud.

    The West oppresses and humiliates China for just one measly century, and all you hear is bitch, bitch, bitch.

    • mr. wiener

      Lets see now, 5000 years divide by one century is….Hey, the west only oppressed and humiliated China for 2% of it’s history! Jeez! That hardly counts.I want all the time I wasted on liberal guilt back.
      Were I an unfair man I’d say the remaining 98% was the Chinese Oppressing and humiliating themselves…… Good thing I’m not unfair.

      • tai wai

        Were I an unfair man I’d say the remaining 98% was the Chinese Oppressing and humiliating themselves

        That’s different! In-group favoritism and all that.

        Tianxia was China, and China was the whole world. Well, the whole world that mattered. Still is, to many. It’s why the “outside world” is full of barbaric “foreigners.”

        Which is why I personally think that this PR stunt was a good idea. It shows foreigners doing things in the accepted Chinese way: Using power delegated from authority. Their power came from their uniforms (and not from their skin tones). They thus fit within Tianxia, even though they were laowai.

  • david

    who cares who does this job. its a bad job. what do you care if a foreigner does it.
    in fact, why call them foreigners?

    isn’t it about time everyone realizes that everyone man, woman and child is your brother/sister

    wake up earth from your neanderthal brain patterns

    • tai wai

      in fact, why call them foreigners?

      Until the Opium Wars, China was the Entire World.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianxia

      The idea of the absolute authority of the Chinese Emperor and the extension of tianxia by the assimilation of vassal states began to fade for good with Earl Macartney’s embassy to China in 1793. Earl Macartney hoped to deal with China as equal sovereign nations, as Great Britain would with other European nations of the time, and to persuade the Emperor to sign a trade agreement. Emperor Qianlong rejected his request, and stated that China was the foremost and most divine nation on Earth and had no interest in foreign goods, and rejected the idea that Great Britain could negotiate with China as an equal nation. In the early 19th century, Britain’s victory over Qing China in the First Opium War forced China to sign an unequal treaty, though the Qing court described this to the Chinese people as a simple act of generosity toward the Europeans, and maintained the concept of supreme tianxia.

      Following their defeat in the Second Opium War, China was forced to sign the Treaty of Tianjin, in which they were made to refer to Great Britain as a “sovereign nation”, equal to itself. This made it impossible for China to continue dealing with other nations under the traditional tianxia system, and forced it to establish a foreign affairs bureau.

      • moop

        thank the mandated-heavens for the british. everytime i read that letter qianlong sent to the king of england, i think the british were very restrained in their response. if qianlong had said that 100 years earlier china would have been a british colony like india, just out of spite. that attitude is still prevalent today in some cases, like when they marvel at foreigners speaking chinese, the way they say “我们中国什么什么”all the time, how everything is said to have “chinese characteristics”, not to mention the fact that i have come across people who think that the chinese invented burgers and pizza (i’m not joking), and that chilies are actually part of ancient chinese cuisine, and the prc’s ridiculous territorial claims.

        • tai wai

          Huh. I’d say that even the British harbor some guilt over the Opium Wars. Well, some do.

          It’s an interesting thought experiment, though. The Chinese still harbor resentment over Western imperialism. That the West, with the Qing court, caused China’s fall, and 100 years of humiliation.

          What if it had never happened? Or, as you say, what if it had happened 100 years prior? Where would China be?

          Another India?

          • Young Man

            Most British people don’t even know what the Opium War was.

            I’m British and I know what it was but seeing as it happened a long time before I was born and my ancestors at the time were busting their balls working for the very industrialists and landowners who financed the opium trade I don’t feel the slightest bit of responsibility or guilt.

            Maybe the Chinese should stop wallowing in self-pity and, like, get over it?

        • linette

          that chilies are actually part of ancient chinese cuisine,….

          They confused chiles with Szechuan 四川 cuisine.

          Szechuan dishes is a style of Chinese cuisine originating in the Szechuan Province of southwestern China that has bold flavors, particularly the pungency and spiciness resulting from liberal use of garlic and chili peppers, as well as the unique flavour of the Szechuan peppercorn (花椒). Peanuts, sesame paste, and ginger are also prominent ingredients in Szechuan cooking.

          One of Szechuan dishes I like a lot is Szechuan chicken. I love the mushrooms and the chickens. So awesome.

          • mr. wiener

            Linette.
            Just wondering about the chillies thing. A certain individual has claimed on chinasmack a couple of days ago that Body odor is caused by race and diet.
            The race thing I don’t know about, sounds like BS. The diet thing sounds more plausable. I’m prepared to believe meat eaters would smell different to vegetarians, but the point mentioned was that people who eat spicy food have a strong body odor.With this in mind since the Szechuan diet is famous for its spicyness ,could you tell me if people from Szechuan smell any different to other Chinese?

          • whiskersthecat

            I love spicy food. The spicier, the better. If a restaurant has a spicy wing (or whatever) eating contest daring anyone to tackle their spiciest sauce, I’ll do it. That being said, I also smell like roses. My love of spicy food is possibly the cause but I’m more willing to bet it’s just superior genetics.

          • linette

            people from Szechuan smell any different to other Chinese?…

            hahaha…..I don’t know how Szechuan people smell like. I have never been to Szechuan.

            I will have to say for people who always eat and cook garlic dishes in their home, their kitchen will smell garlic because garlic or onions do have very strong odor. Sometimes get on their clothes if they are not careful. My advice is to always change your clothes and shower before you go out when you finish cooking garlic dishes. The same thing with cooking fish or seafood.

          • jeffli

            I know when My GF has eaten a lot of curry ;-)
            fish head curry paste with asparagus is like a second “no go week”
            gheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

            Oh and the formidable Shanghai Chou Doufu!

            In Beijing summer, chinese girls garlic flavoured summer armpits are yum!

            gheeeeeeee!

          • mr. wiener

            No more pixie sticks for you Jeffli or there’ll be tears before bedtime.

          • Jin

            “The first lesson in Body Odor 101: What comes out of your body reflects what you put in. Body odor is something that’s strongly affected by what’s being emitted by your sweat glands”

            http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/3770/1/Body-Odor-Can-Be-Eliminated-Through-A-Change-In-Diet.html

            Different race have different diet so naturally their body odor would smell differently and black people have a higher meat diet combined with the strong dry heat in Africa this create a stronger body odor. So by saying blacks have a stronger body odor is not a racist or bigoted comment.

          • Zappa Frank

            Jin is unbelivable how can you keep on talking about something you have no idea about…the article you posted is compleatly unrelated with what you say.Previously you were talking about some genetic stuff and something in the skin a, now you change your position..
            The article say diet, you read race.. You have no idea about the diet of africans, more meat you say? americans eat more meat, europeans eat more meat, not africans, they probably eat even less meat than chinese…. dry heat? for sure in a tropical area for sure… africa has just one kind of climate, pretty big but strange homogeneous continent..It’s not that it matters, but just to show how far you can talk about something you don’t know.
            Moreover you were talking about all blackpeople not just africans.. and you were refering to them as Nigger right (because you’re a latinist). this include a lot that never been to africa even once.. as for what you said, they all smell.

        • Twind

          It’s a matter of different worldviews and culture clashes. Many factors were involved, including mutual misunderstandings. Arrogance might have also played a role (both sides were guilty of this, still are). All of these things I just mentioned apply to the Qing, after the Qing, and all the way up to the present including the ROC and the PRC periods (that is to say, still the case today). In the end, I think most Chinese should try to move on from past humiliations. They will probably always remember them, however, building a better future is the best response to past tragedies.

          • Capt. WED

            Jin is a puppet troll.

            Theories:

            Jin is KollaBanna, Meja, “Risible”, Mongojian, German Dude… Pick one.

      • Davd C.

        Well, this was not the first time China had to deal with foreign powers of equal or greater status. Back in the Song dynasty (960-1279AD), the Chinese empire had to answer severe challenges from abroad and thus not seeing itself as the most powerful state on earth. The following book would be a good read:

        “China Among Equals: The Middle Kingdom and Its Neighbors, 10th-14th Centuries” ed. Morris Rossabi (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1983)

        http://www.amazon.com/China-Among-Equals-Neighbors-10th-14th/dp/0520045629

        • Twind

          Hmmm… just saw this Chengguan story. It is certainly eye catching! It is hard to say what the point of this whole thing is. Maybe it is just a way of getting people to see some new things, some sort of entertainment, perhaps. Either way, I doubt much would come out of this. But who knows, given all kinds of strange things that one can see in China. Whatever the case may be, it does seem that this foreign Chengguan thing raised some eyebrows, which can be both good and bad. Btw, regarding the earlier discussion about what would happen had the Sino-English war taken place in the late 17th century. It seems to me it is difficult to say, given England had yet to reach her full powers and was just done with domestic turmoils (glorious revolution) and the Qing was still on the rise. So, yeah. Just my 2 cents.

        • david

          http://www.amazon.com/The-Sextants-Beijing-Currents-Chinese/dp/0393320510

          A fine book. Relevant to the discussion in this old thread.

          • david

            I mean to say this discussion right here.

    • Jin

      Zappa Frank I am not going to waste my time repeating what i posted but here some basic pointers

      1- Your diet is connected to race because each country have a unique diet and as this article points out what you eat reflect how your body odor
      2- I never said black people smell i said they have a different body odor
      3- Africans are tribal hunters which means they hunt animals for food so their diet would mostly be the game they hunt.

      • mr. wiener

        So you believe most Africans are still tribal hunters?
        Good luck on your next trade mission to the dark continent. You might find they’re not so gone on beads and mirrors anymore.

        • Nanny Hiccups

          he should go to africa and tell the africans his views, i’m sure they would love to hear them as they strap his stupid face to a grenade.

          • mr. wiener

            I’m sure they would welcome him like a pretty new bride and instruct him in the mores and ways of social intercourse.

  • Jin

    Disgusting..now we importing swine to look after Chinese people.

    • moop

      someone has to keep you from peeing in the street. see what i did there? shut up

      • Jin

        If you do not like the pissing in the street then fark off home to your own country? this is china and the Chinese can do what he or she wants in their own country.

        This is Chinasmack not Laowaismack so you shut up shithead.

        • tai wai

          Actually, he could just go to Hong Kong. Or Taipei. Or Singapore.

          You know, modern countries ;)

          • ZING!!!

            Like a razor cutting straight to the bone.

        • moop

          you’re right, you’re right. they shoulld bring in foreigners to design a swer system that doesnt kill people. maybe give the Ancient Romans a call?

          i personally LOVE the pissing in the street and the shitting on the side of the road. i saw a 7-8 year old shit on the side the road in front of a restaurant on chaoyang rd. his daddy drove an audi. it was awesome. i was enjoying my lunch with a nice window seat and got to enjoy watching a little barbarian shitting on the side of the road. i went and bought chocolate soft-serve ice cream afterwards.

          • Jin

            Thanks for informing everyone your a pedophile did you take pics of his little penis and still jerk off over them?

            Why did you even look at a young child anyway? and i rather have a child pissing then adults which you find all over new york city and in London specially around the metro stations.

          • moop

            i dont remember, do you remember me taking photos of you?

          • Jin

            I do not know that’s why i am asking? or why else would you be watching a 7 kid taking a piss or shit?

          • moop

            ugh, let me walk you through this you imbecile:

            you said :”Thanks for informing everyone your a pedophile did you take pics of his little penis and still jerk off over them?”

            i said: “i dont remember, do you remember me taking photos of YOU?”

            you see, i am implying that you were the 7 year old boy shitting on the street you dumb bastard

          • Jin

            I know and if i am the 7 taking a shit why would you be watching a 7 take a shit or piss? only reason would be your a pedophile. You wont be the first white pedophile in Asia and i am sure won’t be the last either.
            Yes all Asians are dumb compared to your large white brain that’s why your here making your living right?

          • moop

            “Yes all Asians are dumb compared to your large white brain that’s why your here making your living right?”

            nope, just you and those similar to you. you’re gum on the bottom of my shoe. nothing more

          • Jin

            Yes the gum that’s made in china and exported to you white trash with the profits going back to China. That why farkers like you are flocking here to beg for jobs. Not to mentioned where the shows you are wearing are made haha.

          • Jin

            # shoes

          • moop

            “Yes the gum that’s made in china and exported to you white trash with the profits going back to China. That why farkers like you are flocking here to beg for jobs. Not to mentioned where the shows you are wearing are made haha.”

            proud of your sweatshops are you? tell me, who built the factories to give you these manufacturing jobs? whose technolgy is employed in non-foreign factories? i didnt beg for a job, i was sent here. i’ve already gone over this with you before. no matter how many times you say it, i will never be the kind of foreigner wished i was. sorry to disappoint you.

          • Jin

            That’s right moop..the very same SWEATSHOPS that you buy your clothes from and stock in your supermarkets.

            These factories are build by local work force NOT Americans. Whether you were sent here or come on your own you are still here and your living is for the good grace of the Chinese people. Learn some respect for the country that house and feed you and your family.

          • mr. wiener

            I was just thinking to myself the other day as someone in a maserati blew past doing 80km ” har ,har! you think your cool in your flashy car, but I bet you’re not chewing juicy fruit”.

          • I was under the impression that modern economics dictated certain circumstances which led to people having a roof over their heads and food to eat. If you like I can outline them for you.

            1. Procure employment in a sector that has a demand for the skillset you possess.
            2. Trade physical/mental labour for monetary compensation based on exchange rates (salary) that has already been agreed on.
            3. Trade the monies to pay for housing, clothing, food or whatevrr else you need and/or want.

            I don’t see the part of having a nation’s grace or for the population or enforced servility anywhere in those three steps.

            In short, simple logic over-rules “we chinese blah blah blah”.

          • Jin

            “You do indeed have a right to your opinions, no matter how objectionable they may be.”
            So any opinion that doesn’t sit well or agreed too by you and your handful of goons on this website is wrong and “objectionable”? people have a right to an opinion as long as its the same as yours?
            “This is not my contention. My suggestion to the other good folk who post here is that they not give you the attention you so clearly crave.”
            This is a free website and anyone can post their views and comments just because you DO NOT LIKE them doesn’t mean they are trolling. You are the biggest troll with your response to any comments made by anyone who do not have the same opinion as you.

            I am sick of repeating myself to you and your handful of goons i will no longer try.

            But for future reference people do not have to agree with you or form an opinion that is the same as yours and no matter how much you bullied and make personal attack they will never cave into your thuggish jabs.

          • mr. wiener

            Don’t recall I was doing much in the personal attacks department J.
            Might have called you a chauvinist nationalist, a tunnel-vision bigot and a self aggrandising attention seeker. But nothing particularly personal in that. I also quoted a line from Patton Oswalt which had some harsh language in it. but it was a quote after all.
            On balance I’d say most of the personal attacks have come from you, but that’s just a numbers thing . We can agree to disagree, but you agree to nothing , so there is no choice but being at loggerheads.
            You’ve also called me a racist. I would call you on this and dare you to find any posts that I have made that could be considered as such.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            ah moop and weiner, i could go to town on his ass if he really wanted to have an argument about race, but i won’t. makes no sense to insult an entire group of people because someone forgot to lock jin’s cage. lol

            in his, albeit small mind, he believes there IS a racial pecking order because he needs to believe he’s not at the bottom of it, whining about the CPC and the “white man” taking his woman lol
            a fool with no human rights whatsoever in these modern times is in position to comment about anyone else’s “race” or country until his own house is in order, and even then he’ll still be a pimple-faced douchebag. Even his erroneous “thousands of years of slavery” made me laugh.

            Giving an idiot like jin a keyboard is like giving a machine gun to a three year-old. Stupid and dangerous.

            I can argue with him without bagging on his “race” because one, I have more class than that, two, well I a bit more clever than he is. He has no ammo, other than the N word. Who is he fooling? :o)

        • jin

          Jin STFU and stop trolling and talking about china when youre not even a chinese, FUCK OFF and stop making chinese people look stupid, cause what youre trying to do here is just create more hate, anti western. YOU FAIL! FIRST FEW POSTS FROM YOU WAS PRO WESTERN, AND NOW ITS SUDDENLY ANTI WESTERN? STOP BEING SUCH A FAIL TROLL.

          • Oh shit, civil war.

          • Jin

            jin..what are you talking about? i am not anti anything thanks

          • linette

            Jin(capital J)
            From reading your post I can only come up with two conclusions:

            1)You are not Chinese. You are probably someone who really hate Chinese. You maybe Japanese or Korean. You are trolling to give Chinese people a bad rep.
            2)You are Chinese but you are extremely angry with all the racism going on against Chinese people. So now you are here on Chinasmack to vent your anger against the nonChinese people.

          • Jin

            linette how is having an opinion making anyone look bad? or do you think your white now and that if people do not have the same point of view as you they are wrong?

            And yes you are right i do generally hate most of the white shit head on this site after reading some of their jabs at Asians and Asia in general.

            Maybe if you pull your head out of their fat ass and read their comments for what they are you feel the same. But i guess you are just other potato eater who see no wrong with white people even if they stomp on your head and use you as a door mat?.

          • linette

            Jin, whether you are Chinese or not, I can tell you definitely have something against Hong Kong people. As you can see I am definitely Asian. I never consider myself anything else. Just like most HK people will tell you they are Chinese from Hongkong. No HK people will tell you they are white or black.

            You kept insulting HK people calling us imperialist asskissers. We are not asskissers. We love being HK Chinese and we are so proud of it. We are very happy with our living and our HK gov’t system. To us is like a privilege to be born as a HK chinese person because only 7millions humans on this planet can be so lucky.

            We are sad when we see our China, a country so rich and powerful can not offer the same privilege for all the Chinese in China. Only because the China gov’t and the rich don’t want to. They are keeping all the money and power to themselves.

          • Jin

            linette i have NO IDEA where you got the idea i hate hongnese? I did not know your from hong kong and nor does it matter to me. When i call you an ass rimmer that’s based on you not the where you come from.

            You are clearly brain washed by the imperialist, HK wealth comes from manufacturing factories in mainland China. So if you are lucky to be born and living in hk that’s nice but you do so on the backs of all the lowly paid factory workers that support your “privilege”. Why don’t you do something to help your fellow mainland Chinese by offering 50% of your wage to help the poor so they too can have health care like in HK?

            SO just to be clear i called you a ass rimmer/licker NOT just because you are from HK.

          • moop

            “Why don’t you do something to help your fellow mainland Chinese by offering 50% of your wage to help the poor so they too can have health care like in HK?”

            why dont you demand that from your own government? oh, thats right, you’ll be stuck in a black jail if you did that.

          • linette

            Jin, so you are attacking me personally? So I can say fxck you to you. Go fxck yourself.

            I do clearly remember you calling HK asskisser and this and that.

            No, Hk is the way it is because we have a major capitalist service economy characterised by low taxation and free trade. It is easy to become an entrepreneur. You can get loans from banks. You can get loans for college educations. As long as you have good ideas and work hard there are opportunity. Hk people we pay income tax. That is how we are able to enjoy all the benefits from HK system including universal healthcare, education, gov’t housing program..etc…. We work our ass off and pay tax. The China gov’t can do the same for the China Chinese.

          • Jin

            why don’t you demand that from your own government?

            How much revenue do you think the Chinese goverment will get from 98% living under $2 USD a day?.

            And yes they should be taxing expats and exports and imports much higher to help the local people. And NO why should i protest? when you live in a china or any other country you accept the law and the goverment system if not then leave.

          • moop

            “when you live in a china or any other country you accept the law and the goverment system if not then leave.”

            oh, so then i guess you are opposed to the communist revolutionaries fighting the nationalists in the chinese civil war. gotcha. those chi-coms are real troublemakers, if they hadnt been so pesky and meddlesome why we’d be like, like, like taiwan… fully support your idea DING DING DING!!! where’s my cctv-banned time machine when you need one? you are counter revolutionary, better watchout comrade, i hear labor camps are a real bitch

          • linette

            Jin is sounding more and more like someone from the family of China gov’t official or some rich China folks. Jin doesn’t care about the other 600 millions poor rural people living in China. Jin is happy the way China is. The great segregation system and gov’t position can only be passed onto their own family. That is what Jin wants. Jin said…..LET KEEP IT THAT WAY.

          • Jin

            linette Nop i never said anything about Hong Kong it was all directed at you. I wrote that you are the following

            1- Ass licker
            2- Ass Rimmer
            3- Imperialist call girl
            4- Potato muncher
            5- Delusional wanna be white
            6- Your a door mat for white imperialist

          • linette

            Jin, why am I a delusional wanna be white? I told you I am Asian. How am I an ass licker? Who are you calling me a imperialist call girl? Are you retarded. Go fxck yourself.

          • mr. wiener

            Who ever, or whatever the large Case “J” may be he is a provocative self agrandesist with a victimization complex. Please don’t feed him no matter how much he whines and begs, particularly after midnight, we’ve all seen “Gremlins” right?

          • Jin

            mr. wiener I have a right to my opinion and free to post these views whether you agree to them or not that’s your own personal problem.

            You are not the owner of free speech or for that matter this website. So why don’t you go and blow your fellow laowai’s cock or ask linette she would be happy to clean it for you because your white.

          • mr. wiener

            You do indeed have a right to your opinions, no matter how objectionable they may be.
            This is not my contention. My suggestion to the other good folk who post here is that they not give you the attention you so clearly crave.
            If you’ll forgive me for drawing an example here, you remind me of the “shock rocker” Marilyn Manson. As soon as he lost his capacity to shock, he lost his audience. Now he is a washed up fat has-been.
            I come to this site to learn new things, to gage opinions other than my own and because many of the people here have become my friends. Your only reasons are because I think our very presence here in Asia offends you , so you troll ..and troll …and troll.
            If you have nothing to offer by way of a constructive opinion you will eventual get bored and leave this site …none the wiser for having been here.

          • Jin

            “You do indeed have a right to your opinions, no matter how objectionable they may be.”
            So any opinion that doesn’t sit well or agreed too by you and your handful of goons on this website is wrong and “objectionable”? people have a right to an opinion as long as its the same as yours?
            “This is not my contention. My suggestion to the other good folk who post here is that they not give you the attention you so clearly crave.”
            This is a free website and anyone can post their views and comments just because you DO NOT LIKE them doesn’t mean they are trolling. You are the biggest troll with your response to any comments made by anyone who do not have the same opinion as you.

            I am sick of repeating myself to you and your handful of goons i will no longer try.

            But for future reference people do not have to agree with you or form an opinion that is the same as yours and no matter how much you bullied and make personal attack they will never cave into your thuggish jabs.

          • It’s far worse if you’re not trolling and these views are your actual, real-life views. Seriously, I would just admit to trolling so at least people would think that you’re somewhere laughing at all of this rather than thinking you’re seriously this angry and upset.

          • Oop, I know what Jin’s problem is now. He was mad about Linette and white guys. It was the typical lonely Chinese guy raging over Chinese girls getting with foreign guys. The end.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            whiskers, i think capt is a little more evolved in that. he is in the usa afterall. plus, i have never seen him bitch or whine about foreigners with asian women.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            oops, my bad whiskers. wrong angry guy – you are right. that dude is a bitter lonely ass dude with mental problems. i can just see him now, hiding in his mother’s basement, writing his name on everything, trying to see his microscoptic penis with a magnifying glass, not finding it, then coming to chinasmack to vent his displaced anger at foreigners. i’m sure he’s a hot mess, ie, not quite a looker if you know what i mean. i’d be angry too.

          • Jin

            Nanny Hiccups if you want to make up stories about what i am like as a person then i have a right to to make comment i what i think you are as a person.

            let me take a dark stab at this…
            you come from the Bronx and now your in china with so many poor local people you think your superior to everyone else..and “loved”
            You are a fat smelly black nigger that only like people who have the same social views as you and if they don’t you get up-set? typical negro.
            So after thousands of years of slavery and cotton picking you now think you are equal to civilized race? wrong negro you and your kind will always and will continue to be on the bottom of the race pecking order.

          • mr. wiener

            “You are a fat smelly black nigger that only like people who have the same social views as you and if they don’t you get up-set? typical negro.”

            ……And this from the “man” who insists he is not a racist?

            “So after thousands of years of slavery and cotton picking you now think you are equal to civilized race? wrong negro you and your kind will always and will continue to be on the bottom of the race pecking order.”

            I stick up for people here because they are my friends, even if we disagree from time to time. [friends do that]. Do you have anyone to stick up for you?

          • moop

            notorious is going to rip yo an new asshole. die slow scum

          • Jin

            mr. wiener anyone making personal attack on me and i will pay in kind and in regards to ‘friends” on here you must be 15 or something ha ha

            I don’t give a shit if anyone on this site like or know me you gotta be kidding me? haha joker.

          • mr. wiener

            …That said, I’ll leave you to enjoy the hate, as none of the love seems to be coming your way.
            If you are indeed Chinese I must say I’m glad not to have met many Chinese like you….But then remember one of the mottos of the site :”Were not so different after all”.
            It’s true , you find arseholes in every race.

  • Jin

    Why are they importing workers when there are hundreds of millions of unemployed local Chinese who could and more importantly NEED the job?

    This must be some kind of joke and not really happening.

    • Foreign Devil

      they are volunteers Jin. . read the article. Anyways, under Chinese law, you can’t hire a foreign expert to do a PAYING job that a Chinese can easily be found to do just as well.

    • Nanny Hiccups

      Shouting the N word from the top of a mountain won’t make your penis grow. It’s okay jin, you won’t be the first man on the planet incapable of satisfying a woman.

      Goodbye baby dick, as you can see, I’m trying to have a conversation with adults. Men with penile erectile dsyfunction not allowed.

      P.S: Masterbating doesn’t count as sex. Ifyou were getting any you wouldn’t be on chinasmack whining like a bitch. :o)

      • Jin

        Nanny Hiccups i wont shove a pole up your black box if you paid me..that’s why i am in china and not in Africa or the Bronx.

        And if your the typical female i would rather have my cock cut off. Don’t flatter yourself you are so far from my mind when i do anything let alone jerking off.

        • Capt. WED

          stop pretending to be Chinese or even Asian. Thanks.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            i think he’s a 16 year old american. really. an american kid with tourettes syndrome and a blank area. they do make prosthetics, ken doll. uh, i mean jin.

          • mr. wiener

            Large case “Jin”, not small case. Though the deservededness of large or small I’ll leave to your discretion.

          • Lower case jin is jin #1
            Upper case Jin is Jin #2

          • Jin

            Lower case “jin” is an ass licking imperialist no back bone..would cave into you white trolls and would not dare to challenge your point of views.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            “Jin” – is a boot licker himself, suffering from a massive inferiority complex is be a more accurate description.

            What’s funny about uppercase “Jin” is that he has yet to insult “ME” personally. Oh sure, he has a few antiquated backwater social views on race in your arsenal, which only serves to reveal how uncultured he is, and the fact that he still lives with his mama.

            I mean really, uppercase Jin. Is this all you got? (I’m sure you’ve heard that before). I mean, I even have pictures posted and you still can’t insult me directly.

            You are an uncultured ass. A loser. A little commie butt-boy who will never see the world, experience life or all the people the world has to offer. You’re just another faceless loser in a crowd of 1.3 billion people. :o).

          • Jin

            Nanny Hiccups I do not know you personally so i would have no reasons to make any comments about you or your life personally but from what you have posted about i take it we have met?

            Yes i have made some horrible comments about black people but only after i was attacked for simply commenting that blacks have a different odor then other race. I did not use the word SMELL or any other word that would suggest the odor was objective. I did also post a comment about a female friend who told me her experience with a black man and not in any post after did i agree just merely repeating what i heard.

            And for your information i do have black friends and i would never disrespect them like i do to all the trolls on here including you. You like to read into people comments and words what you want and filter out and twist the words to make yourself the victim.

          • Guang Xiang

            “simply commenting that blacks have a different odor then other race”

            Jin, herein lies the problem. Try saying that in front of someone’s face. Try saying in front of a Chinese that “you seem to have a different odor than other race”

            I pray you’re not really Chinese.

        • Nanny Hiccups

          who said anything about me? Are you trying to make me vomit? The likes of you? First of all, you’d need a penis, something you obviously don’t have. Your pelvic area is blank, like a ken doll (only smaller) lmao!!!

          You are in china because you can’t afford a visa, fuckface. Get out of here. jin brings the lols

          • Jin

            vomit? haha good so now you know how Asians feel when they walk pas you in the street.

            Visa..well I’m getting ready to spend the weekend in HK and i do not need a visa to get in..the funny thing is whenever i am at hk custom i always see them stopping or removing black people for questioning..says it all really.

          • mr. wiener

            Good thing HKers love mainlanders so much. Maybe the customs guy will be an Indian, a reeally dark Indian. Hope the beagle doesn’t sit down next to your bag. I’ve heard that drug dogs often make a false positive if their handlers don’t like or trust you [dogs are very intuitive].
            But it should be OK, as soon as he hears that ol’ mainland accent of yours you’ll be fine, if not just patiently explain to him in a shrill indignant voice that HK BELONGS to China. That should work
            ………might want to keep some tissues in your pocket, just in case.

          • Dr SUN

            Jin you need a HK ‘pass book” though and they can still deny you entry.

          • mr. wiener

            ….KY too, loooots of KY. I’d hate it if he just spat on his hand.

          • Jin

            Dr SUN you do not know me so you have no idea what passport i hold..as i have stated i do not need a visa or “pass book” to get into HK.

            And yes my parents are shanghainese but i was raised and lived overseas till 2 years ago when i moved back to shanghai.

            mr. wiener keep your gay fantasy to yourself thanks, and yes another thought provoking comments from you hey!

          • Dr SUN

            You can’t have both Jin (assuming your over 18), if your holding a Chinese passport you need a pass book, if your holding a foreign passport, your correct you don’t.
            If your holding a foreign passport Jin that means your a “national” of that country, yes a foreigner to China, one of the people you like to curse out all the time.
            Did you re-enter China on a foreign passport and Visa, I assume so if you say you dont need a pass book.
            So jin’s a “laowai” just like us, not a “returned Chinese” LOL

          • mr. wiener

            Busted!…Well done Dr. Sun.

        • mr. wiener

          Even the trolls don’t like you.

        • Nanny Hiccups

          um “JIN”, though my comments about your habitual patheticness seems a bit spot on, no we have not met. I never forget a face, not even one as ugly as yours.

          “Yes i have made some horrible comments about black people but only after i was attacked”

          awwwww you want some whine to go with that cheese? Want me to call the waaaaaaaaaaaahbumlance? Therein lies your problem douchebag, “yes I made some horrible comments”, go fuck yourself…
          Yes, you made some reprehensible comments about a race of people, when I was the one who pissed you off. which is just stupid on your part. Now you’ve gone from being the town idiot to simply a bastard.

          For future references, if you don’t want to be “attacked”, stop repeating stupid people, and whorish girls who sleep around then try to save face by making snarky comments about the thousands of men who sleep with them. Don’t go repeating what you heard, fool, what – you believe in the easter bunny too? your comment came on the heels of linette’s compliment about obama. fortunately, she lives in the real world and probably know real people so making stupid comments like the backwater idiot lunatic you are doesn’t fool anyone who has actual experience in the world. you stupid pigmy.

      • Nanny Hiccups

        (thought i posted this but have no idea where it went…)

        moop and weiner, i could go to town on his ass if he really wanted to have an argument about race, but i won’t. makes no sense to insult an entire group of people because someone forgot to lock jin’s cage. lol

        in his, albeit small mind, he believes there IS a racial pecking order because he needs to believe he’s not at the bottom of it, whining about the CPC and the “white man” taking his woman lol
        a fool with no human rights whatsoever in these modern times is in position to comment about anyone else’s “race” or country until his own house is in order, and even then he’ll still be a pimple-faced douchebag. Even his erroneous “thousands of years of slavery” made me laugh.

        Giving an idiot like jin a keyboard is like giving a machine gun to a three year-old. Stupid and dangerous.

        I can argue with him without bagging on his “race” because one, I have more class than that, two, well I a bit more clever than he is. He has no ammo, other than the N word. Who is he fooling? :o)

        This thing, called Linette a few obnoxious names, myself as well. he clearly has had little interaction with women from his prison cell, so I forgive. I am a Christian after all. It’s not his fault, that he simply disappears when real men are present, and that he spends his life as a lonely invisible jerkoff. Maybe if his heart was better, he’d have some happiness in his life (it’s obvious he’s resentful because he doesn’t have it). No more deserving of the dark lonely corner he lives but this guy, and of course, the shooter of the dark knight theater. A misery of his own making.

        • simon

          had a lot of respect for your comments untill i saw that ‘christian’ bit. not sure Jesus would be happy with what you have been typing. just sayn.

  • Hongjian

    Well, if this solution could be institutionalized then it would be quite effective in some cases. Given the fact that China’s problems with its bureaucracy stems not insignificantly from the culture of the Chinese people manning it. This might not completely solve the problem of corruption and abuse of authority, but having foreigners in Chinese civil service who have neither a Li Gang father, nor an otherwise Chinese guangxi to rely on, the old meritocratic ideal of the traditional Chinese mandarinate could actually be strenghtened.

    Because, even if it pains me to acknowledge it, HongKong wouldnt have been a city truely ruled by law, if the British didnt enforce it with their own people against the locals. It takes especially harsh laws, an unwavering sense of duty and a certain cultural and ethnical distance to the locals, to turn the culturally inherently corrupted shitpiles of Guangdongnese into the law abiding and civilized citizens they are nowadays. Proper work ethics and a feeling of responsibility to the macroscopic collective is something Chinese people just lack – since millenia. Only foreign influences could fix it. But this is nothing new. Lu Xun and the May 4th movement of 1919 (and by that proxy, the communists too) already stated the same ad nauseam.
    I’d really go further and allow foreigners in China to apply for civil service in the lower echelons/local level of bureaucracy themselves, allowing them to take the same examinations Chinese applicants are subject of. Political control should be ensured by obligatory restricted party membership of the foreigner in question, even when it would weaken their anti-corruption effects by putting them into an even more cancerous guangxi, being the CCP. But this is an acceptable price to pay, since no other country in the world would allow any non-locals to become civil servants anyways. The risk of foreign subversion would be too high otherwise, but if those foreigners would only be limited to low-level service, they could really help to eliminate many sources of public disturbances while being constantly checked in their influences over the greater political decisionmaking that would still firmly be in hands of the Chinese.

    In some way, this wouldnt be much different to Imperial China, where not only minorities, but also foreign immigrants could take the imperial exams to become officials (like Hui muslims, Kaifeng jews etc) if they integrate themselves into the confucianist societal structure. But only this time, foreigners should be purposely kept away from assimilating into the confucian society since it would run contrary to the goal of having officials that are less influenced by corruptive elements of traditional chinese culture, like the confucian family values, the guangxi and similiar causes of chinese bureaucratic dysfunction.

    • Brett Hunan

      I would support this. However, if you think Chinese complain about foreigners stealing jobs from Chinese now, you’d never hear the end of it were your suggestions implemented… nevermind the clashes which would assuredly rise between the corrupt and foreign civil servants. Itd be the beginning of a revolution.

      • Hongjian

        As said, all of this must be institutionalized and the foreign civil servants kept under tight leash by the higher echelon of Chinese officialdom.
        I only see them working at the lowest level of the bureaucracy and severely limited in their possible actions, but also at the same time protected from their Chinese peers in interfering with their work.

        Stated differently, many of the mundane lower official work could just as well be done by uncorruptable robots in the future – but since technology just isnt there, the next better thing must be done: Importing strict, disciplined prussian officials to do what Chinese arent capable to due to their culture and society.

        In some way, HongKong already did this in the past with great success. If your own people have no work ethics, you should just import people who have.

        • mr. wiener

          I’m starting to agree with Hongjian…..should I be afraid now?

          • Extremely…

            Hades is feeling a bit brisk as well, wtf is going on??

          • Tengu

            Where is she going to find Prussians these days?

          • Nanny Hiccups

            i actually miss the crazy hongjian who wished a fiery death on all westeners at the hands of the PRC. lol that hong jian was fun. this one… too level headed. and not that fun. i missed hongjian’s angry rages, they were very amusing. almost reminds me of loki in the avengers lol

        • whiskersthecat

          I’m going through a mental conflict with myself, trying to get my head around agreeing with something Hongjian said. Who am I? What is this all about? I don’t know anymore.

        • Interested

          Too damn smart!!!!

    • Davd C.

      Interesting take on the article. Although I am not even sure if this kind of arrangement will last, or institutionalized. And even if it does, I am uncertain if it will work properly. As the article itself says, it is just to arouse people’s curosity and help them to “experience the job of the chengguan”. Therefore, I think it will simply be an experiment and nothing permanent will take place.

      I also see that you follow the views of the radical May 4thers like Lu Xun in their judgments of traditional Chinese culture. One thing to keep in mind is that these people were writing to vent their frustration at Chinese society at the time, they were not exactly trying to find out what the past was really like. They wanted to portray a “monolithic” and “changeless” China for the last several thousands of years, which is not exactly the case. A more nuanced understanding of China’s past is perhaps needed.

    • donscarletti

      I have a Chinese boss, he is a capitalistic money chasing exploitative shark and I respect him for it. He also works very hard and is extremely focussed, which I respect also.

      However I would rather shove a pencil into my urethra than to come to China to work for a mid level Chinese civil servant. The only reason anyone puts up with their leaders in the civil service is to get promoted, if I had to put up with one without the hope of promotion on account of my nationality, I would kill myself in the first week. There is just no way a hard working, motivated and honest person would want to do the job you are suggesting.

      But, as for promotion, Australia currently has a British born woman as its head of government and another British born woman as its head of state, so there is room for a lot of strange things to happen in this world.

      • I have said it to everyone i could. The CHinese always out-jew the Jews on capitalism banking and money grubbing

        • mr. wiener

          Thank you Themig, nothing like a little casual anti-semitism to start the day.
          [b-b-b-but I meant out-jew the Jews as a compliment, honest!]

          • I heard it 1st from my malaysia and indonesian friends, who rank chinese as the biggest money grubbers followed by jews.

    • Guang Xiang

      100% good read. The only quirk I have is I’m not sure why it should pain you to acknowledge that HongKong being ruled by law was enforced by the British. I understand it might seem shameful, but shouldn’t there be less focus on ‘face’. We’re all humans, we all have flaws. Let’s just take what we have presently and focus on developing our future.

  • Freak on a Mountain

    Having foreign chengguan is a good idea. People doing illegal things will be very confused, and will react differently. As long as these chengguan all speak Chinese and aren’t thuggish, I think it will be a very interesting experiment.

    • Dr SUN

      maybe the Chinese govt can contract the Chengguan out to G4S (after the Olympics of course)

  • jeffli

    In the words of a song by one of my all time fav musicians – “tackhead”

    “I wanna be an airborne ranger”
    “I wanna live a life of danger”

    A foreign chenguan?
    …….a non white and non asiatic chengguan?
    in China?
    Hmmmmmmmmmmm……… anyone with me on this? ….before I carve to the bone of political incorrectness but yet that which is truth also betwixteth mine combobulatory pereginative muses.

    • jeffli

      translation:-

      English circa 1980s – “like ummm what gives man.”

      Ancient Greek circa 500 years BC :- “by the name of Zeus! What deviltry is this before me?”

      today:- “WTF? ……. BFW!”

      • sern

        comic book greek?

  • I can’t believe this even took place. UHHMM…it is just too obvious that this is completely ridiculous! Please note that I am a foreigner and as much as I would love to have the authority to tell locals what to do and how to act safely at times, I have no bloody right to do so. Foreigners need to stay out of Chinese affairs such as this. The whole thing could have really started a real uproar and even riot. What were they thinking???

    • GodsHammer

      Actually, they should run a traffic police exchange program. Shanghai and Toronto. This way cops here could learn about the hierarchy of infractions and drivers in Shanghai could get some proper fines and professionally written tickets. Current system is bullshit.

  • cc

    What I find funny is the silly looking nignog with the clenched fist and the, I’ll whup your arse look on his face, makes me smile every time I see it.

    • GodsHammer

      Well chief… I wish there was an avenue for THIS ‘nig-nog’ (whatever that means) to be a traffic policeman. ;)

      • Eddie Burke

        Nignog? Better not be a slur…..

        • sern

          b

  • Wuyang Guy

    The idea the foreigners are somehow incapable of understanding China is a bit silly. It’s the same racist sort of nonsense I used to hear from old white people in Canada about the “foreigners” in Canada. What the Chinese version of the Canadian rednecks may need to learn to understand is that as any country grows, in this big globalized world, it’s not just one “race” or culture that detrmines what a place is, but a cooperation of all the people living there. Either that or go the North Korean, “Take my toys home and shut the door,” route.

  • This is absurd for a government to do this to their own people.

  • STRANGER

    ITS A BAD IDEA.AT LEAST ABOUT THAT NIGGER,JUST LOOK,THE GUY IS ABOUT 40 STILL WEARING THE WANNABE BANDAGE OVER HIS ARM LIKE A TEENAGER, ALL NIGGERS ARE UGLY FUCKED-UP MONKEYS SHOULD STAY IN AFRICA.

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