Japan To Deport & Return 14 Hong Kong Diaoyu Island Activists

Chinese Diaoyu Island soverignty activists from Hong Kong swimming ashore onto Senkaku Island carrying PRC and ROC national flags.

In another chapter of the Diaoyu Islands aka Senkaku Islands dispute, a group of Hong Kong activists sailed to the Diaoyu Islands this past Wednesday August 15th. When they reached the islands, five of them swam ashore carrying Chinese flags to declare Chinese sovereignty over the islands that are under Japanese control. They were promptly arrested by Japanese authorities.

From iFeng:

Japan Plans to Return the 14 Chinese Diaoyu Island Activists to China Tonight

The fate of 14 Diaoyu Island activist compatriots in Japan has affected the hearts of our countrymen. This reporter learned from the Foreign Ministry that yesterday, Chinese Foreign Ministry Deputy Minister Zhang Zhijun called Japanese Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister Kenichiro Sasae and once again raised solemn protests and negotiations concerning Japan’s illegal detainment of Chinese citizens and ships, pressing the Japanese side to immediately and unconditionally release both persons and ships, and requesting the Japanese side He urged the Japanese side to ensure the safety, dignity, and basic rights of the Chinese activists.

On the same day, a workgroup from the Chinese embassy and consulate in Japan arrived on Okinawa to visit the arrested Chinese activists and discuss arrangements with the Japanese side. The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region government and the Representative Office in Tokyo also sent personnel to participate [in the negotiation].

This reporter learned that the government of Japan has basically confirmed the policy of “quick repatriation” for Chinese activists who try to land on the Diaoyu Islands. Japanese authorities say they will not “prosecute” Hong Kong Diaoyu Island activists, will transfer them to the Japanese immigration office, and the immigration office will “forcibly repatriate” the Diaoyu Island activists on the 17th.

Diaoyu Island activists deny breaking the law

Yesterday, the media released details on Japan’s illegal arrest of Chinese Diaoyu Island activists, wherein 5 of the activists shouted loudly when being arrested, “This is Chinese territory, this is not an illegal landing, we don’t need passports!”

9am on the 16th local Japan time, the 5 Diaoyu Island activists that had gone ashore and been arrested for “illegal entry” by Japanese police were taken by Japanese Coast Guard patrol ship to Okinawa prefecture’s Naha port. Afterward, the 5 were variously sent to the police departments of four cities in Okinawa for investigation. The other 9 Chinese individuals arrested by the Japanese Coast Guard were taken to Okinawa by other ships.

Additional, according to Hong Kong media reports, the 5 people were all placed in handcuffs, and while disembarking, one of them used Chinese to shout a slogan, “Japanese get out of the Diaoyu Islands!” Their physical and mental state are good, and the Japanese personnel on the ship provided food and water.

CY Leung Summoned the Japanese Consul General

Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying [CY Leung] summoned Japanese Consul General in Hong Kong Yuji Kumamaru. CY Leung expressed that the Hong Kong government attaches extreme importance to this matter, reiterating to the Japanese government through the Consul General that the Diaoyu Island and its associated islands [aka Senkaku Islands] have been Chinese territory since ancient times, that Hong Kong residents have for many years had strong feelings about these islands, and doesn’t wish to see the Japanese government do anything that Hong Kong residents might see as provocations.

He demanded that the Japanese government not endanger the persons and property of Hong Kong residents and the other Chinese citizens, and urged the Japanese government to release all Hong Kong residents and the other Chinese citizens as soon as possible.

Hong Kong anti-Japanese protesters.

Protests in front of the Japanese Embassy in China

This reporter learned that yesterday morning, Diaoyu Island activists continuously arrived at the gates of the Japanese Embassy in China to protest the Japanese government’s arrest of Chinese Diaoyu Island activists. In front of the Japanese Embassy in China located in Beijing’s Chaoyang district, at 9:40, a middle-aged man wearing a red strip of cloth on his head and a yellow shirt holding a piece of paper with “Immediately unconditionally release Diaoyu Island activists” printed in red text appeared in front of the Japanese Embassy gates to protest. Around 9:50, another man holding a sign printed with “Strongly protest Japan illegally detaining our brave Diaoyu Island defenders” in large text arrived to protest. The two were one after another exhorted by police to leave.

Yesterday, multiple Hong Kong groups also went to petition the Japanese Consulate General in Hong Kong. Phoenix TV also raised demands asking the Japanese side to immediately cease their interference with news reporting, to release their reports, and return all of their video and photographic material. Members of the Hong Kong Action Committee for Defending the Diaoyu Islands are current researching how to sue the Japanese police for illegal detention.

It was also learned that a Chinese Diaoyu Island activist organization in California of the United States held on the 15th a press conference making a statement paying their respects to the brave Hong Kong person who carried the five-starred red flag [PRC national flag] and successfully landed on Diaoyu Island to proclaim sovereignty, strongly protesting Japan’s infringement upon China territory and demanding the quick release of the activists.

Diaoyu Island activists to leave Japan this evening

According to information from the Japanese media, the Japanese government believes this instance of Chinese Diaoyu Island activists landing on Diaoyu Island is similar to the circumstances in 2004 and therefore have basically decided to handle the matter as Koizumi Junichiro’s cabinet had, which is to repatriate the 14 Chinese activists following the inquest/trial to avoid the situation worsening and affecting already strained Sino-Japanese relations. The news says the Japanese government plans to hand the 14 individuals to immigration authorities this afternoon, then process deportation procedures, expecting that they will depart Japan in the evening. As for whether a plane will be chartered or they will be passengers on a regular passenger plane, there is still no definite information.

Japanese public opinion vary

This reporter learned that Japanese netizen discussion of this subject is very heated, with many comments demanding the Japanese government adopt a tough stance, believing that Japanese domestic law should be used to deal with the Hong Kong Diaoyu Island activists, that they should not be “repatriated”. There were also netizens who asked that appropriate methods be used to resolve the problem, that force should not be resorted to, and that the situation should not be worsened. Additionally, the Japanese media interviewed representatives of the local Okinawa fishery association in their reporting. They believe mainland, Taiwan and Japanese fishermen all fishing near the Diaoyu Islands and their mutual provocations are not beneficial for resolving the issues, hoping that peace can be brought to these waters.

Morning Post Reporter: Han Na

A pro-China activist (C), that landed on the disputed island known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, is arrested by police at Naha port in Japan's sourthern island of Okinawa on August 16, 2012. Japan arrested 14 people after pro-China activists landed on August 15 on an island at the centre of a bitter territorial row in an episode that threatens to further destabilise fractious ties. AFP PHOTO / JIJI PRESS    JAPAN OUT

Name list of the 14 Chinese Diaoyu Island activists:

Fang Xiaosong (35 years old, self-employed)

Tsang Kin-shing (56 years old, ex-assemblyman of the Hong Kong SAR)

Wu Xiyao (45 years old, president of labor union)

Lu Songchang (60 years old, teacher)

Gu Siyao (66 years old, social activist)

Name list released by the Okinawa Police (5 Diaoyu Island activists landing on the Diaoyu Island)

Liang Peijin (45 years old, TV cameraman)

Jiang Xiaofeng (40 years old, TV reporter)

Yang Kuang (45 years old, ship’s captain)

Zhang Jinman (64 years old, chief engineer)

Luo Kanjiu (62 years old, ship’s owner)

Wang Huamin (67 years old, sailor)

Guo Rongming (50 years old, sailor)

Zhang Weimin (30 years old, sailor)

Zhang Weimin (39 years old, sailor)

A pro-China activist (C), that landed on the disputed island known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, is arrested by police at Naha port in Japan's sourthern island of Okinawa on August 16, 2012. Japan arrested 14 people after pro-China activists landed on August 15 on an island at the centre of a bitter territorial row in an episode that threatens to further destabilise fractious ties. JIJI PRESS/AFP/GettyImages

Comments From iFeng:

凤凰网黑龙江省哈尔滨市网友: hongbo强大

To be arrested on the territory of one’s own country by little Japan, and be repatriated “back”, does China still want its dignity?

凤凰网湖北省武汉市网友: 鄞州阿姐

With this I now believe that the Diaoyu Islands is indeed Japan’s!

凤凰网江苏省苏州市网友: xzggz

Where were our Fishery Administration’s Haijian ships? Why were the Japanese allowed to arrested our people?

凤凰网安徽省淮南市网友: 原动力量

Where are all of China’s youth?

凤凰网黑龙江省哈尔滨市网友: beifang58

Diaoyu Island activists had handcuffs put on them, the Japanese won this round.

凤凰网浙江省杭州市网友: spz

Defeat the Japanese aggressors! My respects to the Hong Kong Diaoyu Island activist heroes. 1.3 billion Chinese citizens stand behind you in support!!

凤凰网河北省廊坊市网友: 红世人

This must not be left like this unresolved, compensation must be demanded of little Japan, and for their rough handling, they must apologize to our Diaoyu Island activist compatriots.

凤凰网安徽省宿州市网友: aiyirentianxia

Arresting our people on our national territory, we’re able to bear even this kind of situation? Unbelievable!

凤凰网中国网友:手机用户

Boycott Japanese goods!!! Chinese from all over the globe fight Japan!!!

凤凰网北京市网友:手机用户

Well done, Chinese of Hong Kong.

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  • rain

    >Well done, Chinese of Hong Kong

    really?native hong kong ppl???

  • CND Icehole

    The nips should harvest their organs just like the commies do to activists here in China.

  • Deepzen

    I find it rather interesting that China shows up in force when little Phillipines tries to push their people off the island China wants in the SCS, and yet seem far more diplomatic when Japan does the same up north…
    But I’m sure there’s a logical and strategic reason that has NOTHING to do with the fact that Japan isn’t defenseless….
    No connection what-so-ever….
    :)

    • anon

      Sort of. The Chinese navy has done military exercises and sent subs into the area before so a show of military force has happened. Even the Taiwanese have sent their coast guard ships to the islands. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands_dispute#Historical_development

      Overall though, of course China would be more likely to bully the Philippines than Japan. While both are strategic allies to the US, Japan is a lot more important and powerful in almost every measure, as well as in terms of economic and international relations. There are warhawks in the Chinese government and military, but they’re not all retards in Zhongnanhai (or at least not retarded in every thing simultaneously).

      • Roger

        Very true. China’s leader obviously want to win political clout as well as this sovereignty arm wrestling now that it has invested so much in its military and political environment over the past 30 years. HKer have complaint about this island situation for as long as I can remember, but have anyone wonder why this issue only became national headline in China after China surpass Japan in GDP?

    • Barack Obama

      of course, what would you do in that situation?

  • Getrealson

    Reminds me of the old squatters rights law in Australia.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBikzYiZkA

      Always Use an H-bomb for a Japanese problem!!

      • C84

        That would be an absolute dream come true, starting.

        • Jahar

          You dream about being a mass-murderer?

          • C84

            Who said anything about ME doing anything? I dream about other people/countries/entities doing it, dear.

        • Peter

          So often people opposing Japan ask if Japan has learnt from its history.

          Has China learnt form that shared history?

          • China shares nothing with Japan expcet a mongoloid face, despite their yearning to become white causcasian

          • Peter

            They share the history of WWII.

      • Bo Xilai For Emperor

        And starting the village idiot should be in the middle of this H-bomb detonation

  • sai (aka rain)

    China flag with Taiwan flag???
    What.

    [Note from chinaSMACK Moderator: Please don’t use multiple names and identities.]

    • anon

      Hong Kong activist group sets sail from Hong Kong, stops by Taiwan, then heads towards the Senkaku Islands. There were originally groups from Hong Kong, mainland China, and Taiwan. One of the “point and laugh” stories over the past few days was how some mainland media Photoshopped or covered up the Taiwan flag because, you know, there’s only one China.

    • asdf

      yup, when it comes to territorial claims in the Northeast, China, Korea, Taiwan, and HK are all against Japan. The US is gonna have a hard time picking sides on this one.

      • mr. wiener

        You think the majority of HKers, and Taiwanese give a shit?

        • Chunghwa

          Uhhh… have you actually seen the Taiwan newspaper polls on the issue?

          The majority of Taiwanese firmly believe that the Diaoyutai islands are Taiwan’s integral territory. Whether or not they agree with cooperating with the mainland is another issue (and many Taiwanese aren’t that keen on mainland co-operation). It doesn’t matter if you’re a Pan-Blue or a Pan-Green, to the Taiwanese, giving up an inch of their soil isn’t something to be laid back about. (As for Lee Teng-hui, he’s just a Japan-born weeaboo like Lee Myung-bak.)

    • sern

      LOL first thing I thought of was when the Russian commies & White Rus teamed up to attack KMT Muslim troops in Sinkiang/Turkestan.

    • They’re both Chinese flags… PRC and ROC.

    • Bo Xilai For Emperor

      Dumb and Dumber?! It’s ROC flag

  • Barack Obama

    It’s things like the Bukakke Islands that is going to start WW3

  • Alan

    It’s kinda’ hard to settle arguments over ownership of islands that never had inhabitants … China argues that Chinese fishermen have used the area for centuries …

    How about this: China can have these islands if they return control of Tibet to the Tibetans. Fair ‘n square.

    • Getrealson

      why don’t they don’t claim Australia on the same premise. There is very compelling evidence that china was in Australia fishing and exploring in the 6th century AD.

      http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/chinesediscoverers.html

      • Rod

        I’ll be ten buck that they will some day. Vietnam and many parts of Southeast Asia were also part of China at one point in history. As China gains power, they’ll just flip through the history books and slowly take over most of Asia. The rest will be collateral damage.

        • tai wai

          I was going to watch with Teahouse of the August Moon (pretty funny, pretty lacist) with my wife. It starts off with a joke on how Okinawa has been subjugated by Chinese pirates, English missionaries, Japanese Warlords, and American Marines.

          “I don’t understand.”
          “He’s joking on how Okinawa was first conquered by Chinese, then – ”
          “We never did that!”
          “Sure you did. Well, some Chinese did.”
          “Wait, where is Okinawa?”
          “Small island, south of Japan.”
          “Oh! That’s ours!”
          “… No, Okinawa is part of Japan.”
          “Oh… I don’t understand.”

          We watched something else.

          Anyway, the point being “Chinese were never aggressors” and “that belongs to China” are pretty much a default answer.

          • White Thrash

            or to put it plain and simple, chinese tends to be full of shit on that kind of matter :)

        • All of America was stolen and the brits still hold on to places that are not theirs and you can say this? Your really simple dude. At least China has a real claim. By the way what’s up in the Faulklands these days?

          • Northerner

            ‘By the way what’s up in the Faulklands these days?’

            The Union Jack. Remember Goose Green etc?

            Go on elucidate on China’s real claim.

          • Dr SUN

            Just because there is a Chinese restaurant there, doesn’t
            make the Falklands China’s.
            Come on American Joke even you know that’s a stretch.

      • Chunghwa

        The common argument used against China is that “China only started pursuing the islands in the 1970s, after it was known that there could potentially be oil underneath”, but that argument is ignoring all sorts of important things.

        The Diaoyu Islands were taken by Japan after the First Sino-Japanese War at the same time they took Taiwan. After World War II, the Diaoyus and the Ryukyu Islands were occupied by the United States. The Japanese side commonly cites that neither the ROC or PRC argued to have the islands back at this time, but at this time they were not administered by Japan. In the PRC’s case, they weren’t even recognised as a state by the US, and they were Cold War enemies – is it likely for the PRC to engage in dialogue with the US and say, “hey, can I have those islands?” As for the ROC, do they really have the ability to ask their big daddy for territory, just like that?

        In the 1970s, authority over the Ryukyus, plus the Diaoyus, was handed over to Japan, and that is when the disputes started. It’s not like how the Japanese side always states over and over, that the Chinese/Taiwanese side is only after the oil.

        As for the PRC media’s constant parroting of “these islands belonged to China xyz thousands of years ago”, I groan at how stupid that sounds, and how dumb these writers are for not realising how dumb it makes them sound.

        • Risible

          So, china only decided it wanted the islands in question AFTER authority was handed to Japan. Does it get any more childish? Every teacher who has taught in mainland, will be rather familiar as to the inherent childish nature of mainland chinese.

          It would be better for china to stay within the internationally recognised maritime boundaries. To stake claims on the entire South China Sea or any other sea on the premise that is is named South ‘China’ Sea sets a dangerous precedent-‘Indian’ Ocean, ‘Persian’ Gulf, or if you really want to have fun, how about the ‘Black Sea’? Sorry expats, need to explain this to the mainland chinese. Mainland chinese-what if, India said, the Indian Ocean belongs to us because it’s called Indian Ocean? What if every black person said the Black Sea belongs to them? Can you, or can you not, see how ridiculous this is?

          And to say that chinese fisherman like fishing in certain areas or did so a long time ago and so that belongs to us? Well, on that premise, Britain owns half the world. Or more.

          You are not with mummy on a shopping run to ToysRus. This is all part of the mentality of spoilt little emperors/brats who think they can lay claim on anything just because you want it. The rest of the world couldn’t give a crap about your feelings.

          • The Chinese claim is not based on the fact that that Sea is called the “South China Sea”.

          • Risible

            @jingxiang, so what is it based on? Explain yourself. And explain Xingjiang and Tibet. Two topics you and your comrades love to avoid. Or is it ‘forbidden’ to talk about it?

          • I am no expert, but I think the Chinese claim is based on the idea that the Chinese discovered the Spratly islands during the Han dynasty, and that they are clearly marked as Chinese on ancient maps. Just like with Tibet, there is a claim that foreign powers took advantage of China’s weakness during the 19th century, when it was under invasion, to take Chinese territory away from it.

          • moop

            fucking a fish on rock on an island doesnt make it your island. the spratlys were on maps and were used as geographic markers more than anything else. they didnt control it, they didnt improve upon it or anything else. some of their fisherman may have hid there during the occassional storm or used it as a marker for navigating. that doesnt make it china’s territory.

          • moop The Spratly issue will definitely rumble on forever as I believe it’s shedloads of small islands. Prediction: UN Security Council, ASEAN and ICJ will agree to split the fucking 750 reefs up equally between all the claimants, and everyone will have to shut the fuck up. There. Solved.

          • moop

            anything but 100% for the prc would be considered a loss of face. that senario is unlikely. the sobbing like a 4 year old will continue

          • john

            jixiang, China’s claim on the territories you talked about (S. China Sea, Tibet..etc) is based on “historical claims”. But I just don’t think that by itself is strong enough. Though both Xijiang and Tibert are under de facto Chinese control. Kind of reverse of what happens with the Senkaku, not exactly the same situation, but sort of similar in my view. Unfortunately, other than the independence seeking activists of these 2 regions, I don’t think any other government in the world is really willing to dispute China’s claim of these 2 places.

          • Lakeman

            A nice summary of the situation by chunghwa here.

          • Lakeman

            Chunghwa.

        • david

          It’s a muddy situation. I read somewhere that the ROC had asked to have the Ryukyu Islands to be under their jurisdiction in 1947, but did not get it. And then, there is also the question back then about whether Diaoyu was part of the Ryukyu or not. Either way, the details are quite messy. Also, it seems all sides did not really press on the issue of sovereignty until the discovery of valuable natural resources next to the island.

          • david

            I want to also mention that it seems to me the ROC really was not in the best position to deal with this dispute back then given their situation. Even now they are not in the best position. As for the PRC, they denounced the Treaty of San Francisco to begin with which again complicates the situation. Either way, both have their shortcomings in this. I think from the link I gave in another post, even Japan had their forgetful moment when it comes to claiming sovereignty of this island. Oh well.

          • david

            Should be “given their situation back then”.

          • david

            I just noticed this error in my post from a while back, it should have been “was a part of”.

          • david

            From the post above again, “It should have been, ‘given their situation back then'”.

          • david

            Ooops, for my previous post, I was referring to my 3rd post counting from above.

          • david

            I am sorry, I think it should have been “in my previous post”. But whatever works is fine.

          • david

            The dispute about whether the Senkaku belongs to the Ryukyu is still going on, I think.

        • moop

          the ROC didnt claim the islands as territory to be returned to them after ww2, as places like taiwan were. if the chinese government really believed the senkaku were theirs, they would have been part of the handover after wwii. only some of japan’s territories were to be occupied by allied forces after the war, not china’s. the ryukyus and senkakus were and then handed back over to the japanese.

          • john

            Yeah there were a lot of confusions at the end of WWII about the sovereignty of these islands. Like many other territorial disputes, historical claims, strategic claims can all take place. Many times it can also be quite self-serving. Though I also read that the ROC wanted to gain control of the Ryukyus at the end of WWII. It is also possible that the ROC/PRC thought the Senkaku were a part of the Taiwanese islands back in 1945. I think the ROC military was also on the islands very briefly in 1955, but not sure that means much. Both Chinas did protest in 1971 when the islands were returned to Japan, but a bit too late. But yeah I think at this point, the Japanese does have de facto control of Senkaku. Maybe the Chinese should remember and follow what Deng Xiaoping said about this issue back in the 70’s and 80’s, that he believes the future generations will certainly be wiser to find a solution acceptable for all. We shall see.

    • asdf

      How about this: China will return control of Tibet to the Tibetans after the USA, Canada, and Australia all return their land to the Natives. Fair ‘n square.

      • Matt

        How about this: the USA, Canada, and Australia will all return their land to the Natives after China returns its land to the Xiongnu, Mongolians, Uyghurs, Tibetans, and Taiwanese aborigines. Fair ‘n square.

        • asdf

          Sure. . . China’s GDP/captia will skyrocket after getting rid of those areas.

          • Matt

            It’s true that Tibet ranks quite poorly (28 out of 31), but it only has 3 million people, meaning it will have almost no effect on the national average. Xinjiang is wealthier (ranks 19th) and has a somewhat larger but still relatively miniscule population (22 million).

            Inner Mongolia, however, is ridiculously rich (ranks 6th, at 164% of the national average) and has basically the same population as Xinjiang (25 million).

            Not to mention, the two mainland municipalities and prefecture-level divisions with the highest GDP per capita are both in Inner Mongolia (Ordos and Alxa League), and the third is in Xinjiang (Karamay). Baotou in Inner Mongolia ranks 7th.

            Lastly, I’m sure I needn’t point out that Taiwan has a far higher GDP than the mainland. And although I didn’t originally mention them, Hong Kong, Macau, and Guangdong (which ranks 8th nationwide and has a massive population) all originally belonged to the non-Chinese Baiyue people, who spoke non-Chinese Tai–Kadai languages.

            Just thought I’d let you know…

          • Matt

            *Woops, I meant to add “per capita” at the end of “Taiwan has a far higher GDP”.

          • Eidolon

            Add all of those together and you still don’t come to a fraction of what the US, Canada, and Australia would lose – which in each case is their entire countries.

            Europeans benefited far greater from its age of expansion than any other cultural group ever did. China’s expansion was never of the same extent, and demographically Chinese of the different regions are far closer to / the same as the ‘aborigines’ of those regions. The same is not capable of being said for Americans, Canadians, and Australians, countries in which mass population displacement happened.

          • Matt

            Eidolon:

            This might come as a shock to you, but Americans, Canadians, and Australians aren’t European.

          • Zappa Frank

            americans take care so much about the “poor” tibet and on the same time support Israel that is keeping on destroing and stealing land..

          • Matt

            Zappa Frank:

            Most of the Americans that harp on Tibet are left-leaning hipsters who, needless to say, also fiercely oppose Israel.

          • Matt

            By the way, Eidolon, why did you just mention Americans, Canadians, and Australians? Why not Brazilians and Argentinians? Why not the Arabs in North Africa? Just curious…

          • asdf

            LOL baiyue people… maybe we should just return the entire earth back to the dinosaurs.

          • Matt

            asdf:

            You managed to respond to one word out of four paragraphs of 160 words. Highly impressive.

          • asdf

            the rest spoke for itself. didn’t really need a response.

          • Bo Xilai For Emperor

            Matt: again with the “I’m not European…” where do you think all these Caucasian people come from? The sky?! What grade did you get in your history class? Or did the Heritage Foundation and the Republican Party taught you differently? Read some history books

          • Matt

            @ Bo Xilai For Emperor:

            What makes you think Americans, Canadians, and Australians are all Caucasian?

          • asdf

            @matt
            Your arguments are so pointless. Trying to legitimize European control over native peoples by stating that they’re part of their own country is a complete act of bullshit.
            I could equally ask you: “What makes you think all Chinese are Han?” What’s point of asking that question?

            Quit making childish excuses and stop enforcing your naive concept of “fairness” to other passionate mindless idiots. The world isn’t fair, and the only excuse required for ruthless expansionism is a strong military. Don’t expect anyone to give back conquered lands to their “righteous native owners”. The Tibetans are already extremely lucky that their benevolent Han Chinese conquerors didn’t smother them all with smallpox blankets.

          • Matt

            @ asdf:

            Actually, that wasn’t what I was stating at all. I was referring to people like Jeremy Lin, who, I believe, is non-European, and Salman Khan, who, I believe, is also non-European. My parents were born in California and the Philippines, neither of which are in Europe. Their parents were born in Philadelphia and China, which, again, I don’t believe are in Europe. Then again, I’m an American, so maybe my geography is just off.

          • asdf

            ok… your point?
            It is once again non-existent.

          • Matt

            My point is that matters related to the political existence of the US, Canada, and Australia do not pertain to “Europeans” because these countries are neither intrinsically/politically rooted in a singular ethnicity (unlike, for example, Israel and Korea) nor incidentally demographically homogenized.

          • asdf

            How funny, then i guess matters related to the political existence of China do not pertain to “Han Chinese” because China is neither intrinsically/politically rooted in a singular ethnicity (unlike, for example, Israel and Korea) nor incidentally demographically homogenized.

            It seems that after realizing the utter pointlessness of your arguments you’ve now resorted to becoming neutral fag.

          • Matt

            Ah, ya got me. I’m just a Swiss cigarette.

          • Dr SUN

            Free Yunnan !!

        • tai wai

          How about this: the USA, Canada, and Australia will all return their land to the Natives after China returns its land to the Xiongnu, Mongolians, Uyghurs, Tibetans, and Taiwanese aborigines. Fair ‘n square.

          We’ve already killed off or assimilated our natives.

          Do you want the same to happen in Tibet?

        • sern

          Xiongnu? well sure, give back SE China to Yue

          • sern

            OIC it was brought up (liked the dinosaur comment), Well no one brought up Manchu Guo for Manchurians

          • blah

            exactly, the whole cocnept of “china” is a fucking real life retcon

        • sonny

          @matt & asdf both of you are illustrating that human history in general is more or less the same in every region.

          tribal life has always been, to borrow a phrase, nasty, brutish, and short — there’s no need for finger pointing or guilt mongering because in each case the vilified culture (chinese/western) brought enormous benefits to the conquered territory (xiongnu/native america/etc). civilization > savagery.

          • asdf

            yeah i guess…. but my real point is that strong > weak while moral justifications are meaningless and hypocritical.

            Civilization and savagery are equally brutal. Civilization merely executes savagery in a more organized and sophisticated manner.

          • sonny

            @asdf i understand what you’re saying. still, selfish as i am, i’m quite happy to have been raised in a civilized society.

          • A GUY

            My argument against China in Tibet is not that China should leave. I personally find the opinions of western hippies on the issue of Tibet to be distracting and annoying as well.

            My argument is that China should respect the local population that they have conquered. Don’t feed me bull about how they have always been part of China, you conquered them end of story and there is not sufficient arms or political will as of yet to reverse this. This is the same as America taking control of 100% of it’s land. America committed horrible atrocities during it’s whole history of colonization as has China, the difference between the two is that America has changed it’s policy and is trying to mend what they have done, China is denying there is a problem and labeling religious leaders and monks as terrorists. (You want to see a real terrorist look up Geronimo and how the US treated him as a hero when all was said and done). On the topic of returning land: in America this reversal would be impossible to do, and in point of fact to a much lesser degree in China today it is as well or at least it would be incredibly ugly.

            If China would allow religious freedom, accept the Dali Lama back (under the conditions that he publicly agrees that Tibet is under the control of China and he is just a religious leader), and treat Tibet as an autonomous region instead of a constantly under martial law region then everybody would shut up and let them have the resources and land buffer that they have conquered, just as nobody with any credibility bitches about giving all of Arizona back to the Natives.

      • asdf

        How funny, then i guess the matters related to the political existence of China do not pertain to “Han Chinese” because China is neither intrinsically/politically rooted in a singular ethnicity (unlike, for example, Israel and Korea) nor incidentally demographically homogenized.

        It seems that after realizing the utter pointlessness of your arguments you’ve now resorted to becoming neutral fag.

        • asdf

          oops wrong spot
          ignore comment =P

    • G$

      As someone who has lived in China, that suggestion is just…not even remotely logical, rather completely invalid. I think a Chinese person who has lived in the west and who is appropriately well-versed in Western culture (99 cases out of 100, doesn’t really happen because Chinese stay together too much when living in foreign countries, to their own developmental detriment) that they would respond to your comment with: are you on crack?

      • Risible

        G$- You, as you said, have lived in china. You have seen what happens to them after ONE BEER! Don’t EVEN mention crack..I mean just think…actually, don’t even think about it. Have you seen 28 Days Later? That’s the image that comes to mind to think of mainland chinese on crack.

      • Alan

        Ah, G$, you logical powers astound me … er, not really, because you didn’t explain your point at all, you just made an ad hominem attack.

        In the case of these islands, it seems to me that no one can truly prove justice is served only if their country gets sovereignty over them. (Maybe the just result is that no country gets them; no one has seen fit to live on them yet.)

        There is some natural gas/oil wealth/fisheries to be controlled in the area – that’s the real reason for wanting the islands. But it’s easier to stir up nationalistic fervor by creating some sort of historical rationalization for sovereignty.

        I’m not really sure that it’s practical to make Tibet its own country. But the arguments for granting Tibet independence are stronger than the claims China has on these islands. I’m just pointing it out.

    • El Puma R.

      Chinese people have been fleeing from china for centuries now and that doesn’t mean the world belongs to them. What an ability they have to victimize themselves so easily.

      I think I know why they want those islands. They’re unpolluted so they need to pollute them and build a shopping mall with an AppleStore to make them part of china.

      • +1 Whenever an English-teaching expat retires from China back to The Americas / Europe / Oceania, I should imagine this also results in the net loss of one Chinese female to the West, each and every time. Perth and Melbourne seem to be the main magnets nowadays.

      • Risible

        ++1 El Puma R!

        • Lakeman

          There are probably legtimate claims from all sides on this issue, historically, politically…etc. So, I don’t think anybody made up these historical claims of the Senkaku Islands. It’s not totally about creating historical rationalization for sovereigty, for there are indeed some historical basis for all sides. I think one of the links on this page, a link to a scholarly treatise should be of help on this issue (provided by the poster david, I believe).

          As for the Chinese’ ability of victimizing themselves easily, well, many of them do have that ability. But I sincerely hope the many other Chinese who are more confident and self-reflective can work to make more Chinese to stop feeling themselves as victims. With enough time, hopefully more Chinese will learn to move forward. Btw, I believe there is a claim here that only 1 activist is from Hong Kong. To this claim, I’m not sure. It might be because of the names that appeared in this article, where only one person appears to have his name spelled in the Hong Kong way. But it could be a translation problem in this article. So yeah, not sure about this claim. Someone might need to look it up.

  • linette

    Taiwan initiated the protest joined by Hong kong activists. I believe 7 T and 7 HK on the ship with China, Hk, Taiwan flags.

    The Hong Kong activists, led by a Hong Kong-based Action Committee for Defending the Diaoyu Islands chairman, four crewmembers and two journalists from Phoenix Hong Kong Channel were on a ship flying the Chinese national flag.

    http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stories/japan-to-deport-return-14-hong-kong-diaoyu-island-activists.html

    “China says the islands have been considered part of its territory since the 14th century, when it says they first appeared on Chinese maps during the Ming Dynasty. Beijing says Chinese fishermen have used the islands since ancient times.

    ​​But Japan disputes that claim, saying it discovered the islands in 1884. After determining the islands were uninhabited, Japan annexed them in 1895 after winning the First Sino-Japanese War. China objects, saying it was forced to sign the post-war treaty that effectively handed the islands over to Japan.”

    This island really was part of China. Chinese fishermen never stop using it. Now Japan wants to offer to buy it to avoid too much dispute. It’s been a dispute for years. I really hope the countries can do this in peace.

    The activists want to raise a flag. It’s okay. They will be back next year. hahahaha..

    • linette
    • Hongjian

      The fact alone that the Japanese want to buy these islands speaks volume about their real status of ownership. If it already belongs to them, why still attempt to buy it?

      Also, Japan actually had to hand back all their conquered territory since 1895 to their respective owners after being defeated in WWII – Diaoyu included. But the Americans, who controled Okinawa and the Diaoyu after war till 1972 illegaly handed it back to Japan instead to either the PRC or ROC, their rightful owners.

      It is, again, all americunt’s fault.
      America is like a corrupt police-officer, who, after arresting a brutal robber and confiscating his loot, decides to give it back to the robber and not to the people the loot was stolen from in the first place. Because the robber and the police-officer are now best friends forever, and are interested in keeping the victim down because he became a communist.

      The Diaoyu problem, as well the entire problem between China, Taiwan and Japan cant be solved as long as the USA exist on this planet. Only when the one who is benefitting from historical injustice, the USA, is nuked from the orbit and their imperialist fleets and bases in asia sunk and destroyed, justice can prevail.

      • CND Icehole

        Hongjian:

        I really like that picture of you and your boyfriend from a few posts ago. Next time you bend over like that, insist on a reach-around.

        Did you get him to cum, or are you too loose?

        • Zappa Frank

          your post are smarter and smarter..

        • Chunghwa

          There really should be an intelligence requirement test given prior to ISPs letting people sign up for an internet connection. I’ve never seen a comment by you that isn’t dumb as hell.

          If you have something not worth saying, don’t say it at all. If you want to “troll”, then at least make it remotely funny.

      • Risible

        Hongjian, ever since reading your comments, I have been observing your thought patterns. After careful and meticulous analysis, I have come to the conclusion that your brain has been in a state of suffering for a very long time-whereby an influx of accumulated stupidity has surged through your brain tissue-a uniquely disastrous infection, otherwise known as ‘shit-eth-on-the-braineth’. A group of leading psycho-analysts, of which I am a member, has stated that if a victim (you) were to be cured of this condition, he must be suddenly, surprisingly, whacked at the back of the head with a very large baseball bat. This treatment must be regularly administered with venemous blow to all sides of the head in order to dislodge all infected particles. If, the victim has already passed through the initial stages of ‘shit-eth-on-the-braineth’, the chances of recovery remain relatively bleak, whereby the victim enters into the realm of ‘eateth-speweth-shiteth’, ultimately leading to the rape of his mentality both figuratively and literally, as seen with you Hongjian, in a recent news article where you were captured in the rear garden with someone in YOUR rear garden. In any case, in your reply, I would like for you to tell me honestly and bluntly, of all the major events leading up to the loss of your sanity.

        • asdf

          After careful and meticulous analysis i have come to the conclusion that you’re retarded.

        • Deepzen

          Oh sweet Jesus, if this new miracle cure for Shiteth-on-the-braineth actually works we’re going to run out of people to work the bats… You do realize that the majority of the world’s population suffers from this tragic illness? And if we ever DO solve the dreaded “bat-to-jackass” ratio, then we have to find people to beat the idiots with the bats… How about if we just have a worldwide I.Q. test every 100 years or so and just euthanize the lower 60% or so of people tested? I know, I know, Shitler gave euthanasia a terribly bad name a few decades ago, but having lived in China and gotten to know the REAL youth in Asia, I’m pretty sure they aren’t that bad :)

          • asdf

            His resort to sophisticated personal attacks is in itself an act of admitting defeat.

      • Rutim

        Moscow was under Polish occupation in some 1606!! Then I claim all of the Russia as Polish teritory!!

        • Zappa Frank

          except the fact that from the time you lost all the wars against anyone. while china won (with massive help) the second world war.

          • Misiooo

            Poles lost all because of overconfidence of their brainless leaders, just like Spaniards did. China won? BYP, but won what? I am unaware of anything being intersection of ‘China’ and ‘Winning’.

      • FredF

        More victim mentality from 小剑 (small sword).
        He lacks the ability for introspection, so he must point his tiny sword at everyone else.

      • Hongjian
        Saturday, August 18, 2012 at 5:20 am
        “The fact alone that the Japanese want to buy these islands speaks volume about their real status of ownership. If it already belongs to them, why still attempt to buy it?”

        Ummm, they are owned by a Japanese businessman. Tokyo wanted to buy the islands from him.

        • Jahar

          This is the part where Hongjian ignores facts and makes up his own, or starts calling you names.

      • sonny

        @hongjian it may be unfair to lay the blame exclusively on america as the roosevelt administration did try to stay out of the pacific theater. had china been cohesive enough to resist japan and maintain it’s own territorial integrity none of this would be an issue today.

        as mencius once said, a person of character doesn’t complain about fate or blame others(君子不怨天,不尤人).

      • Peter

        The islands are owned by a Japanese citizen.

        The tokyo governor, not the best person in regards to international relations, originally made an offer to purchase the islands from the Japanese citizen, most likely with the intention to remove the owner from what is potentially a harmful situation.

        The Japanese government responded to this offer, by making their own. Did they want to? Probably not.

      • A GUY

        DOG PENIS:

        It’s more like a robber stole from his neighbor and after confiscating the loot a piece of gum that was sitting in the hallway between the two of them was zoned out to the robber for no reason and the neighbor now wants to claim that the gum was stolen cause he found out it might be really sweet after all. but he can’t cause the other guy is unwrapping it and getting ready to chew it down, but the neighbor thinks that if he can just have that gum and all the gum in other neighbors yards that then he’ll feel whole again and be able to get over the emasculation of the vicious robbery.

        Silly neighbor. Get over it and start focusing on your apartment.

    • Charles

      Linette:

      Do you understand the silliness of this statement?:

      “This island really was part of China. Chinese fishermen never stop using it.”

      Who cares who fished there? It is comments like this that mean this discussion will never go anywhere. I am sure lots of Indians and Nepalese have gone hunting in China, shall we give them part of Tibet or Qinghai? I think not!

    • sern

      Were they on maps as a part of imperial China or on maps as just islands in an ocean?

      • sern: I think HongKong and Shanghai are on maps as part of Britian. What does that prove?

        • sern

          Just simply owning a map w some place on it isn’t exactly proof of it being yours.

    • tai wai

      China objects, saying it was forced to sign the post-war treaty that effectively handed the islands over to Japan.”

      So, China did sign a treaty to hand over the island, then?

      Well, that’s that.

      Oh, it was “forced?” Because it lost the war? Meh, go cry more.

      • linette

        …….Because it lost the war………….

        Yes, China lost in war military force defected….hand over the island to Japan. Guess what…now China can use military force to get it back. Let China use military force to get back their island. Now now…don’t nobody come and complain China is bullying Japan now. :)

        • linette

          I am just trolling. No military force please.

          But I can only imagine if China use military to get back the island, Japan will be running to America whining and crying for help. Saying China is bullying them. Whatever. …:(

          • Dr SUN
          • A GUY

            They would be shooting some Chinese people you better believe that, and since the US recognizes that claim you better believe America would be helping. No begging just swift death for the PRC.

          • linette

            A GUY…yes..I am sure you enjoy killing and shooting Chinese people.

          • A GUY

            No I just was stating what would happen, I don’t get off on violence. I don’t really give a shit about some stupid rocks. What I care about is how the obsession the Chinese have with things like this and the PRC’s false sense that the other powers in the region will not utilize armed force is pushing the realities I mentioned closer. It’s said to wake them up and let them know that there are limits and pushing them does have consequences. I don’t want to see Chinese people shot, but you better believe that would be the outcome.

          • linette

            A GUY..I am pretty sure china has no false sense about other countries and their military force. China have seen how Japan used their military force in WWII when Japan was in power. America military force is used quite often ALL THE TIME throughout history. ;)

            I think you don’t have too much understanding why so much conflict over those rocks.
            It’s probably because:
            1) Diaoyu was part of China until it was taken away by military force against China’s will.
            2) Diaoyu is located right next to Taiwan; close by China. FAr away from Japan. China never recognize it belongs to Japan but Japan send military force there to harrass Chinese fishermen sinking their boats killing Chinese.

            This is the main reason why I think Japan should leave Diaoyu.

            3) Possible natural resources.

          • A GUY

            The Senkakus are slightly closer to Okinawa a place that is part of Japan, if the Okinawans declare independence then they will own the Senkakus as it is part of their prefecture. The Japaese come all the way from Okinawa to get trespassers off their rocks. It was never part of China in any conventional way it was just a string of rocks in the ocean that no one used or held any legitimate claim to. The Japanese were the first to really inhabit the rocks when they set up some small scale production there before to WW2, it was zoned into Okinawa prefecture after WW2 and therefore it is not land won through aggression and not part of the treaties that you so love to mention.

            Yep America has used it’s military a-lot. Your welcome China. The Japanese were dicks in WW2 to put it lightly, but that still doesn’t make the Senkakus yours.

            Japan touched that cookie first get over it and focus on something important.

          • linette

            A GUY, sorry dude. I know it’s hard for you to swallow the fact. But get over it. Diaoyu and Okinawa island are right next to much closer to Taiwan. Nowhere near Japan. The Chinese have been using those islands and water for centuries. Japan decided to go for a sail to explore to get more rocks. Japan themselves made the claim saying it discovered the islands in 1884 and determined the islands were uninhabited. Who are they to make such claim?? They really should not be sailing too close to Taiwan to claim rocks causing conflict. Japan needs to move back to their water and rocks.

            Japan should go to those islands close to Japan further out in the ocean. Why claim rocks next to Taiwan?

          • A GUY

            What part of Okinawa is part of Japan do you not understand. Sailing by something doesn’t make it yours. The Okinawans are a different people than the Japanese but ask them if they are Chinese and they will tell you were to stick it. They are Japanese citizens and where Okinawa prefecture goes so do the Senkakus. The Ryukyuans were fishing those waters as well but I guess they don’t matter cause they aren’t Han. Maybe China should go back to the mainland and stop trying to take rocks from the Ryukyuan and Taiwanese people if that’s the logic you want to use. Please continue to spew propaganda and Chinese victim syndrome babble it tickles my funny bone and gives me the feeling of superiority that can only come from talking to a retrard.

          • A GUY

            What part of Okinawa is part of Japan do you not understand. Sailing by something doesn’t make it yours. The Okinawans are a different people than the Japanese but ask them if they are Chinese and they will tell you were to stick it. They are Japanese citizens and where Okinawa prefecture goes so do the Senkakus. The Ryukyuans were fishing those waters as well but I guess they don’t matter cause they aren’t Han. Maybe China should go back to the mainland and stop trying to take rocks from the Ryukyuan and Taiwanese people if that’s the logic you want to use. Please continue to spew propaganda and Chinese victim syndrome babble it tickles my funny bone and gives me the feeling of superiority that can only come from talking to a retard.

    • Risible

      “The activists want to raise a flag. It’s okay. They will be back next year. hahahaha..”

      A white flag presumably?

      • A GUY

        With a red dot in the middle.

        • Risible

          @ A GUY, 1+ Nice! Bwhahahah!

  • Mark ,

    Dear China, Reading this story It is plane to see. China, has a problem with Japane. I can see from the map that the Ryukyu Is, are about 500km to 1000km away from China. No one lives on the islands.
    China, has no more clame to these islands than we the British, have over the Falkland Is, The British couldn’t care less about the Falklands Is, or the people that live on them. Oil is the reason Britain wants to fight to keep the Falklands.
    Now lets be honest the reason China, want the Ryukyu Is, is because of oil. This is the same reason China, is claming ”ALL” the south China sea.
    The name South China Sea, came from guess who ? the British, we sailed down there had a look and thought these people all look the same. So we will call all of them Chinese, and this is the South China Sea.
    Now that the Chinese, have money you are building a military bigger than any military ever any where. So you are getting bold. Regarding the Japanese, and WW2 Nanking, are you planing on revenge ?

    • Risible

      Greetings Mark, great comment. Here’s my little addition, I must add though, all the following is courtesy of a friend/colleague-not my words except the ref to Hongjian:

      First of all, the British and US armed forces, are the best soldiers man for man, (don’t get excited Honjian, it doesn’t mean man FOR man literally).

      75% of PLA soldiers are trained for domestic use, only 3% have been involved in combat ops-all with UN, 0% of pilots have been involved in combat ops, 80% of the navy is out of date, etc and etc.

      Only 2% are trained at the level of STANDARD UK or US infantry. No point having 2 million soldiers if they’re all shit.

      Here’s what a conversation with a UK or US Paratrooper would look like:
      “What have you done in the last 5 years”?
      “Tour of Afghan war, Iraq, 200+ Training Ops, 15+ War Games….”

      Here’s a chat with a chinese soldier:
      “What have you done in the last 5 years”?
      “I beat up some villagers who were angry that the gov was building an office block where his house used to be….”

      Not quite the same right?

      • Mark ,

        Hi Risible,
        Thanks for that. what you said is true I think. What you said doesn’t answer my questions, but your comments are very funny.

      • Rod

        Haha. I remember watching Mission Impossible III (the one is where he goes to China), and they started spouting off some gibberish about how there were up against ex-People’s Liberation army like they were some badass commies. I thought, wow, you could probably bribe them with some Zhonghua and Maotai and be done with it.

    • Scott

      Mark is not British but yet another impersonator. The English is atrocious, the grammar Chinglish, the spelling and use of words is not that of a native speaker or anyone educated in the language, the mindset – well, look again at this gem:”we sailed down there had a look and thought these people all look the same. So we will call all of them Chinese…”

      Yes, “It is plane to see”.

      • Mark ,

        Hello Scott,
        OK, yes you are correct my English Language, Spelling and Grammar, when I wake up in the mornning is bad.
        As for Chinglish. WRONG! I haven’t written a profile, or put up a pickture of my self so you wouldn’t know what I am.
        Well I joined this site to talk to Chinese, people, but as you are more interested in me than what I say I will tell you.
        I was in an RAF Orphanage in Dorset, until I was 6. Then a boys home in Peckham Rye, until I was 16. Then on the streets of London, with just my very good looks, a pair of jeans and jumper. Nothing ells since then I have tought my self every thing I know. I have lived in Germany, Japan, Thailand, Lao, Burma, Indonesia, and now Australia, I now own two properties. I owe Britain nothing at all. I am 6ft2” with blue eye’s and couldn’t look more English, if I had socks and sandles on. I would swop being British, for Chinese, any day.
        I new there would be a ”prep school prat” on this site some where.
        I can’t blame you for your being a pathetic English, language snob. What ells has Team GB, got these days, I O UK NOTHING!

        • Risible

          Mark, take this comment as constructive criticism. Aside from hurling insults at Scott, you have added little to the discourse. It may be worthy to note that some of us are teachers. I have taught at orphanages in the UK and, your written English is not that of a native speaker. This much is apparent to every native speaker here. Believe this.

          Your comments, are not from someone raised in the UK either. It may be possible to write in English but, you cannot imitate a mindset. The English mindset. You definitely have not spent a day in Peckham Rye. Your diction is all off. Your written English, particularly your use of commas, is that of a Chinese student at Upper Intermediate level-where you have stepped over the threshold, otherwise known as Intermediate, and have begun adventurous usage of commas but, have done it all wrong. While the effort is impressive, the end result is still that of a learner. No one, even from Peckham, writes like that.

          The part about your preference to being Chinese than British, gave you away completely. I mean completely. You do owe Britain at least one thing and that is English. You don’t have to like this fact but it is a fact nonetheless.

          In addition the above, I cannot envisage anyone from Britain, preferring to be Chinese. Particularly a man. You know, chinese are not particularly well hung and have hang ups about that in a major way.

          I hope I have not insulted you. I leave that to those you have insulted.

          • +1 As you satirically and appropriately point out Risible, Holmes of London, Morse of Oxfordshire and Grissom of the LVPD Crime Unit would have been be surplus to requirements in getting to the bottom of the case. “Socks and sandals…” MAGIC! This has made my day!

          • Mark ,

            Risible,
            With a name like Mark Smith, How could I be Chinese.
            If you think my Engish, is bad. Then you have not been to Peckham.
            So you are a teacher, well thats OK, I married a teacher. I was asked to teach English, in Japan, and Thailand. After having met the people that call them selves teachers in Thailand, all of them taking advanage of their students. I thought this is not for me.
            Tell me is it true that Chinese, men have small cocks? So Rhino horn doesn’t work.

          • Mark ,. I have not watched any porn since the days of VHS, but there is:
            1. The Japanese / Oriental penile porno “standard”.
            2. The Western / Californian penile porno “standard”.
            In every race there will be outliers on the bell(-end!) curve, but the median is that Japanese porn stars have 6″ to 7″ penises, 1.5″ in diameter. Californian porn stars have 7.5″ to 11″ penises 2″+ in diameter. There is no porn industry in China.
            Source: Wienerpedia.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            @ Risible – Have you considered that he is a Brit but maybe not a white or a Chinese one?

            I am pretty sure, even being a natural born American whose family has been in this country for hundreds of years, that my use of English differs considerably from that of white USA citizens, as certain that I am that American English in general differs from British. You know, ours being a dumb watered-down version.

            You can’t simply assume that someone claiming to be British is always white, two — that even if he is British, that it automatically assumes perfect writing and grammatical skills. Maybe he’s a chav lol

          • Nanny I know your comment was for Risible, but US English is a force for good. I for one enjoy the existence of both US and UK English as it highlights which side of the Atlantic we are on without speaking a different language whatsoever – in writing. It’s just a “setting”, like inches vs. cm or Letter vs. A4. In bio-chemistry, bio-research, computer coding, etc, only Roman alpha-numerics can ever suffice.

          • Risible

            Mark, I have no need nor intention to discover the size of chinese mens’ anatomy. All i know is what i hear from chinese ladies about them losing virginity twice. Once from a chinese man, then properly from a real man.

            Nanny Hiccups, do keep the comments coming in. They are always refreshing!

          • Risible

            Mark, I am British-born and raised. Being of Jamaican heritage has only served to convince me further you know nothing of Peckham. Seen?

          • Risible

            Richardnorth, some chinese woman has just won Miss. World. In China. Can’t wait for it to be posted here. Hope to see your comments there!

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Taken, RichardNorth. I agree. I like and prefer British English. Americans just sound dumb and whiny (a bit high pitched) to me. The ones who use English properly are always stuffy pretentious little pricks comparead to the common British person who speaks in that manner everyday. Brits have a more powerful voice and tone, they don’t sound all weak and flaccid like American guys.

          • Peter

            I wouldnt normally wish to pick holes in another person’s written grammer, as for whatever reason, that person may just be having a bad day / not be bright or using an ipad! Its just not a clever thing.

            BUT, having read Marks reSponse carefully, Im not sure he is a native english speaker or British. ‘Prep. School’ – really?

            Also, for the avg. brit. – considerations regarding the falklands are that the people living there state they are and feel British. The island is so far away and the average person has no considration for oil resources, but when a group of people whom claim to be british and are trouble, then the britsh people will wish to see the people protected.

          • Peter

            @nanny

            You were the only person to bring race into this thread. I recommend that you re-read the thread and think again about your comments.

            The original comment and subsiquent comments only mentioned not being British.

            Also, reading your response it feels clear to me that your are against discrimination, yet you use the term chav?

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Peter, when did I bring race into it as a negative thing? i’m just saying that we should not judge a person’s nationality by the way they speak or write grammar. He could very well be a british national who simply isn’t a great writer for many reasons.

            Forgive my american ignorance, but why is the term chav associated with descrimination? I know people dislike chavs immensly.

          • Peter

            @Nanny

            “You can’t simply assume that someone claiming to be British is always white”

            I didnt say anything about your comment being negative, just that you were only person to mention race. If you read back the thread, you see that, so my question is why?

            discrimination def. – treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

            Chav is the equivalent of ‘white trash’ in America. Personally I feel its discriminatory to use it.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            @peter, the argument was about race. He was accused of being chinese, when he said he was british. That is in fact, a racial discussion. I merely pointed out that saying he is british does not mean he is saying he is white. He could very well be british of chinese descent or some other ethnicity, does not make him any less british if that is in fact his nationality.

            As to chav, I was not aware that it is used as an epithet. I thought it was just an expression for annoying youth. Not aware of any racial connotation to that, if so, apologies.

        • sern

          Mark if you can speak like this then you are in fact British and qualified as an ESL teacher. Until then you must be a fengqing wumao troll

    • Chunghwa

      Mark, since when did the PRC actively claim the Ryukyus? Cite me an official government announcement or publication.

      Also, Las Falklands son Serbia! Dokdo son Argentina!

      • Mark ,

        Hi Chunghwa, I don’t know. I didnt say the PRC claimed the Ryukyus ?
        The Falklands Is, is an example because they are islands a long way from the UK, and oil is the only reason the British, want to keep the islands.

        • cc

          We also like the sheep that live there.

    • Peter

      The ryukyu islands are a chain, including okinawa, miyakojima etc – china is making no claims on those islands.

      Lets not distort this topic.

  • Bo Xilai For Emperor

    The PRC is too much of a chicken to take that island by force anyway, their PLA armed forces are pretty much like the STAZI they only have the guts to oppress the poor Chinese people while protect the likes of me (Bo Xilai THE GREATEST) But on the other note, you gotta give it up to the South Koreans, they didn’t care what the Japanese will do, they just send their army and their president over to take the island they had dispute with Japan. Chinese Commies = Skirt wearing Nazis who are afraid of just about anyone except their own people. Pathetic.

    • Eidolon

      To be fair, South Korea can do whatever it wants without fear of repercussion – Japan and South Korea are both protectorates of the US and the US is not going to attack one on behalf of the other, nor allow the two to fight it out. The threat of escalation is therefore minimal. Military actions by China, by contrast, is going to involve the US acting on behalf of its ally and the threat of escalation is quite huge.

      • Risible

        Eidolon, my comment is not going intended to attack your assertion, so please bear with me on this, I am about to disagree on your last point. There can never, ever be escalation involving the US and china. There are many reasons but I will mention just two.

        The US would flatten china within the hour.
        Not in china’s interest to get flattened within the hour.

        Does that work? ;-)

        • Zappa Frank

          exactly because of what you said china cannot do like korea do, is not a matter of coward or brave.
          anyway i frankiling dubts US can flatten china in such few time.. moreover it would be dangerous even for americans as china military force is growing and growing…. even more dangerous from an economic point of view as china is the one who own the biggest part of the massive american debt.

          • sern

            I often frankiling dubts as well

          • Deepzen

            Honestly it WOULD take more than an hour. Probably a couple weeks to a month. And while China does like to talk a big game with the neighbors(hey, give them some face, it’s part of the culture), stupidity doesn’t seem THAT rampant. Hell if you were juicing 1.4 billion people out of their money and resources so that you could send said funds(along with your kids) to the “Free World”, would you fuck up the gravy train?

          • Bo Xilai For Emperor

            LOL and you think the Americans are gonna pay back those debts? If they don’t what is the commies gonna do? Send Lennin and Mao’s ghost after them? ha

          • The US getting involved in a fight over a worthless rock would be pointless. Besides, the Chinese government will not do anything. Chinese nationalists assert sovereignty of the the rocks. Japan proved otherwise. End of story.

            Also, China does not “own the biggest part of the massive amerian debt.” The majority of American debt is owned by Americans. China owns the largest portion of FOREIGN OWNED American debt… this is a huge difference.

          • Risible

            Do you recall last time you attempted that with the Jardine family? China military force is ‘growing’? I see. With a 25 year old rusty piece of scrap metal, bought from a ukrainian junkyard, which you recycled and, is the pride and joy of your ‘navy’? You wanted to procure MIG-31’s from Russia. Initially 35 planes but then you said, “can we just have 1 or 2?” ( so you could copy them) and Russia told you where you could stick it. Your military is growing? You went to space. Congratulations. You are now only about 60 years behind us in technology. You would believe that the world stands still while you propel yourselves victoriously into the future. Why can you not create anything original? I mean like your ancestors. You even insinuate the Airbus A380 as a chinese developed plane in your tv commercials. Maybe you all get little erections with all this but the world sits back and laughs at you. Oh by the way, american debt? 1.3 trillion dollars? While your corrupt local governments owe your Central Bank over 20 trillion dollars. Chinese government officials spend over 10 billion dollars annually on foreign imported cars. Your tax money by the way. You go ahead and attempt to fight a war with your ‘growing and growing’ military. The only thing growing is your blindness. Maybe this could assist. From now on do your own research, this is a one-off favor: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19049254

        • Mark ,

          Hi Risible,
          I don’t think so. The USA, lost in Vietnam, and Korea. Britain, and America, could not win a war against China, with military might. War with China, would have to be economic war, and it looks like you have already won this war.
          I think there will be war with China, may be in my life time. But no one will win.

          • Risible

            “Britain and America could not win a war against China with military might”

            True. But not in the sense that you mean. It would not take both countries. One of either would suffice.

            Also, it would never come to that. All Britain or America would need to do is park a few aircraft carriers off Shanghai.

            Think about that for a moment. I mean just visualise it.

          • Mark ,

            Risible,
            Carriers are a weapon of WW2, good for attacking counties that have already been flatend. Not much use against some counties that have Nuc’s.
            We will see this fact soon with Iran. Anyway Britain, doesn’t have any carriers. It will have to be America, and Japan, that invade China.

          • sern

            Risible
            At the present the UK hasn’t got any naval air power. It’s got a little carrier but only rotary wing craft operating from it. The harriers are retired & until it gets a significant number of F-35b’s and the newer larger QE carriers & integrates them (8-10 years maybe) it’s RN is largely a paper tiger conventionally, certainly not capable of intimidating the PLAN.

          • Risible

            You obviously have not heard of the new generation aircraft carriers UK is acquiring. Have you? Have your opinions by all means. But, do check the facts.

          • Mark ,

            Dear Everyone, You all seem to be getting so angry about this war that hasn’t started yet.
            How about one of my jokes.
            When I was a little boy living in Brixton London UK, I had this joke about China, you may have heard it. Well that’s too bad. OK, here we go. Why don’t they have phones in China. Answer: Because too many wings, and too many wongs, wing the wong number.
            Anyway I don’t want a war with China. I think we should have a war with the Russians, because they are the uglist people in the would, and Israel, because they cause all the trouble in the would.

          • sern

            OTO the US navy is capable of blockading Chinese navy vessels in ports if not sinking most of its navy, while also sinking the Chinese merchant fleet or causing them to seek shelter in neutral ports, cutting China off from its much needed trade & energy supplies.
            Once the effects of air strikes on infrastructure & massive power outages & lack of necessities, products became common among Chinese cities & people began to suffer the results of deprivation, it wouldn’t be too far fetched to imagine it resulting in the telephone poles around Beijing taking on an entirely new use as decorations by the Chinese people adorning them w CCP members.

          • sern I agree completely, and the RN prides itself on hydrographics mainly. After the loss of life (equal UK and AR) in The Falklands Conflict, I doubt any surface warfare will be significant in the 21st Century. Sadly, even in recent years between N and S Korea, deadly incidents involved torpedoes. Ironically the USSR had some excellent kit and it spawned Hunt for Red October (e.g. subs doing 60+ knots). However, the Kursk put paids to some ambitions.

          • sern

            richardnorth
            Right now the Falklands are only protected by a few Eurofighters not a lot of air power but Argentina isn’t quite a military bully either

          • Risible

            Ok I was not even going to mention nukes. If China were to even imply the use of nukes, then you are correct, it will not be flattened, it will simply get vaporised. America and/or Britain, would not even need nukes to do it. Have you any idea the new age weaponry available to America? And Britain? It is nukes that are WWII weapons. How about china without electricity or running water? Actually then again, people in mainland china don’t shower often anyway so i guess that would not matter but, there I go digressing again, as i was saying, nukes do not need to be used in any war fought by western states. Do a little research as to what type of electromagnet gadgetry is at the disposal of America which would fizzle all your electronics, including your weapons systems and, if you aren’t quaking in your boots afterwards, do come back and drop a reply.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Okay Risible mr smarty mcsmarty pants! Now riddle me this… A buffalo walks backwards in the moonlight!

          • Nanny Hiccups

            I think you are thinking about the EMP and NNEMP, which are Electromagnetic Puluse and Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse.

          • cc

            Your right, the way the current British Government is cutting down our forces we would be lucky to win a war against the Isle of Wight

      • Bo Xilai For Emperor

        I have told you from the wise words of the incorruptible Emperor Bo Xilai “We take the hard working Chinese people’s tax dollars and lined our pockets with millions and used some of that millions (or even billions) to purchase military hardware in order to further bully more poor Chinese people into submission and my biggest dream is to rule all of Chinese while living in the land of the US of A or any 1st class well developed European countries while bad mouthing them!!!” Oh and I’ll have a Caucasian mistress soon as well. My stupid wife is going to hell…actually the picture of her you see in the news (CCTV) is actually a body double…God she looked awful

        • Risible

          @Nanny Hiccups. Hahahah! You have a knack for making people smile!

  • Eidolon

    Fight fight fight fight fight… Wait, what are they fighting over again?

    • mr. wiener

      a pile of rocks and some dead fish.

      • Chunghwa

        Actually, it makes a great distraction for the majority of Chinese, who will follow the Diaoyu issue and ignore other pressing issues that are occuring internally.

        Whether or not they gain the islands, the PRC is gaining a lot from the issue indirectly. When nationalism is at an all time high, you’re less likely to have people notice other problems.

        Juvenal’s “bread and circuses”, George Orwell’s “prolefeed”.

        • sern

          Yep, wag away

        • The Diaoyu’s, “Prolefeed” for the masses! excellent.

        • Mark ,

          Chunghwa, I agree, but is George Orwell’s, book 1984 allowed in China. Well this is double plus good.

          • Orwell’s 1984 is published in China, both in English and Chinese. Got me both copies at 新华书店! Double plus good indeed.

        • vince

          Looks like the PRC Chinese and the HKers can join hands and sing Kumabaya over this issue.

      • mr. wiener Yup. And any hype will die off quickly, as the case will be decided not by the USA (as some morons have alluded to), but the primary judicial organ of the United Nations, the ICJ (International Court of Justice) based in The Hague. This will take years, as neutral parties pore over hundreds of years of maps, folklore and dusty archives. If you’re a member of the UN, the UN will arbitrate.

        • mr. wiener

          Too bad Taiwan isn’t a member of the UN.

          • I was thinking that as I posted dude…cheers. However, I’m sure Neptunus Rex, UN High Commissioner for Oceans, Rocks and Fish, will be happy to pore over documents supplied by non-members… :-)

          • linette

            Maybe China should just use military force. Japan used military force to claim lands from China. Now China can do the same to claim their lands back. Who’s to say who’s right or wrong. Both countries are using military force to claim territories.

          • Linette Hi! It is more about claiming sea than land; the “lands” disputed in the East and South China Seas are small but heavily disputed. All parties will be peaceful by world war standards. It is important to note that Singapore (home to COMLOGWESTPAC and Task Force 73) is overwhelmingly Chinese by ethnicity, and friendly to CN, but super-friendly with the USA and the FPDA (UK/AU/NZ/MY + SG) who all hover around these seas along with VN and PH. As Japan is home to US 7th Fleet (60 ships, 350 planes, 60,000 staff) and CN is home to a legendary amount of troops, stand-offs and news will continue beyond the year 2050. Hopefully “make love no war” prevails”. Cheers!

          • linette

            richardnorthern, yes, I know. I am just saying cause I am annoyed. I don’t want any country to use military force or threaten world peace.

          • I really do wish that asshole had never assassinated John Lennon as John and Yoko did more for love and peace (and interracial relationships) than the United Nations or Rupert Murdoch could ever achieve.

          • vince

            @Linette Why are you annoyed? This is a pissing contest between two countries for the sole purpose of getting their hands on the natural resources in the area, It clearly has nothing to do with any historical or cultural significance. Noone would give a crap about these islands if there was nothing of value in the area.
            Also there’s enough unrest in the world without China and Japan going at it, so using military force for a bunch of rocks doesn’t seem very rational.

          • Chunghwa

            Regarding this, I once read a very funny joke whilst on the /00/ (Random) board on Komica (A Taiwanese imageboard similar to American 4chan and Japanese Futaba):

            有一天日本人 美國人 中國人 韓國人 台灣人五個人一起搭飛機,
            結果飛機遇到亂流準備墜毀,
            此時,日本人說:『怎麼辦?跳傘只有四套!』
            這時,美國人說:『我們應該民主的投票來決定誰拿不到跳傘』
            接著美國人再說了一句:『只限於聯合國成員』

          • Risible

            Linnete, china can TRY to use military force. I recall one of your fighter jets taking off recently. Crashed to the ground with a resounding thud barely having left the tarmac. Yes, go ahead, try that military thing. PLA. Peasants Lose Again.

          • sern

            Chunghwa LOL

            Security council members get to go first

          • linette

            ………只限於聯合國成員…………

            hahahahaahah……….That’s a good one. Fxck Taiwan. Taiwan always get screwed. That’s pretty much how UN works…..只限於聯合國成員..

    • David

      I think there is a large amount of natural resources in the area, which leads to territorial claims.

      • Twind

        That’s my understanding too. It seems both sides really went after the ownership of the island when it was discovered that it has a large amount of natural resources underneath. Oh well.

  • Rutim

    From mine point of view: China tried to take advantage of Korean president visit on the ‘disputed islands’ up north. They used some ‘useful idiots’ to make a rampage just to take public’s eye from coming (existing?) problems, just like Korea did. Clean and clear. That’s what they’re only thinking about…

    • David

      It’s really hard to say, some of these people might have acted on their own. But I do agree they were emboldened by the move the S. Korean president recently made.

  • Brett Hunan

    Cleo, where are you?

    • Out shopping for new ass plug for you!

      • mr. wiener

        A small village just put in a call to chinasmack , apparently they are missing their idiot.

  • Nanny Hiccups

    I’m gonna say it belongs to china. Not Japan.

    • Risible

      Nanny, think of your nationalistic outburst as a self-perpetuating, socially engineered psychosis that exploits an unfortunate side effect of evolutionary biology. It is the increased size of the frontal cortex that allows you the capacity for abstract thought but it had also sown the seeds of psychosis. The belief in something that has absolutely no supporting evidence is indicative of a psychotic break. Once the rational mind is overcome by the irrational fear of “Us against them”, the psychosis takes hold and tightens its grip. Let us hope one day, ‘re-education’ at a labor camp will lead this stubborn psychotic trait down a dead end path

      • Eidolon

        Rationalism =/= being a pussy.

        What rational benefit does China gain from letting Japan have the islands?

        • Risible

          It gets the very rational benefit of not getting itself rudely rummaged. Again.

          • Zappa Frank

            by who? Japanese? Americans? it’s only a matter of time.. it’s extimated that within 20 years china military force could match with american.. maybe it’s an overstimation, but i don’t think US will fight for few japanese rocks..

        • linette

          Risible and Eidolon, be quiet already. Diaoyu island is part of China history during ancient time back all the way from Ming dynasty. Chinese fishermen were there loooong time ago. Chinese fishermen still use it.
          Diaoyu is located right next to Taiwan and close to China. Japan is very far away. How does pure blood Japanese sail all the way to an island close to Chinese and claimed that island belongs to them? It’s a Japanese island? Japan was invading China during WII. They were after China’s lands. Japan needs to move out of Diaoyu and back on their own Island.

          • Nick in Beijing

            Funny how you say that, but the shoals that are the center of conflict between China and the Philippines being in close proximity to the Philippines is a moot point in the Chinese opinion.

            Chinese double talk and double standards.

          • linette

            I don’t know too much about that conflict. IF that island is close by Philippine and they have been on it and using it since ancient time, I don’t see why it’s not part of Philippine.

          • Mark

            Well Nick, are the Falklands British? Geographical proximity is a weak argument when it comes to the West’s own colonial interests.

          • sern

            Well Ming isn’t ancient, it is late medieval to early modern, FWIW.

      • Brett Hunan

        Nationalistic outburst? She’s a black woman who has never even visited China. Perhaps you are trying too hard to hide your own nationalism towards Japan. Well, actually, I cant distinguish whether you are pro-Japan or anti-China. Which one is it?

        • Do you even have your own ides or just try to bag on everyone else? What a twit! You probably have no opinion other than what facial gel to use before you got to wagas and get a smoothie…

          • Brett Hunan

            What is a “wagas”?

          • linette

            American Joe..why don’t you post your photo on your gravatar? Let see how much facial gel you use. I bet Brett is 100 times better looking than you.

          • Brett Hunan

            Linette you are like a mother bear defending her cubs. Thx mom!

          • mr. wiener

            Either he means “Vegas” or the thing you poke out the fly of your jeans and wag at the ladies.

          • linette

            Brett, you welcome little cub. mama bear always protect her cubs, especially the cute one. ;)

          • Tengu

            We all have “ides”, they usually happen around the middle of the month.

            You can should be able to tell when your “ides” approaches, because that’s when you start retaining water and need a panty liner.

      • Nanny Hiccups

        Nothing better than pop psychology and little bit of armchair psycho-babble ur, analysis I mean.

        I am not Chinese so… I am not motivated by nationalism :o)

        I always said, all those other little countries down there in Asia all descended from chinese people so it is china’s islands. They all should merge and become one big country.

        • Tengu

          Yeah, Al Qaeda, LTTE, Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiyah will be thrilled.

          Do you actually own a book?

          • Nanny Hiccups

            who are those people?

          • mr. wiener

            Al Qaeda lives in a retirement village in Florida. He doesn’t ballroom dance like he used to since he put his hip out.
            Abu Sayyaf has a falafel stand in Jersey.
            Jeremiah Islamiyah lives in a small town in West Virginia and does NOT welcome visitors.

        • Nanny Hiccups

          I mean specifically, the northeast asian countries like duh!

          • Tengu

            Okay, I apologize for asking if you own a book.

            Let me rephrase:
            Do you own a fucking Altas or a map….Northeast Asia is Russia….DUH !!!!!!

            Sayyaf’s falafel is excellent, his tabbouleh is to die for.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            I’m american, we’re too stupid to figure out geographical stuff. We even call our history books world history because apparently, we are the world.

          • Risible

            Nanny Hiccups, I just figured out the riddle. “the buffalo walks backwards in the moonlight” That’s because Jin, American Joe and Co. are around. Buffalo very wary.

    • vince

      Uhhhh anything else you want to add to that statement ?

    • Peter

      Thank’s for clarifying that Nanny, we can all go to bed now.

      I think the Kurihara family, the actual owners, will probably dispute your view.

      • Nanny Hiccups

        @Peter, I don’t know who these Kurihara family blur blur blah blah people are, but nobody owns the Earth or its land! It owns itself. We’re just living on it. One day the earth is going to sneeze and blow us all into space. You are nothing, not even a speck in the Universe.

  • BigJ

    Only one way to settle that……rock, paper, sissors.

    • Risible

      Bigj, I was just about to get some sleep, read your comment, and woke up the neighbors laughing ma ass off! Nice one….hahahah!

    • Chunghwa

      No, no, no. Rock-paper-scissors is a BARBARIAN method of determining the victor, made by foreigners with shameful dispray.

      The owner of the islands shall be decided by…. 4×4 Mahjong!

      • John

        Hahaha, best post of the day!

  • Jeff

    I always figured the people of Hong Kong were much smarter than the mainland dogs – but I guess that the power of Communism from Beijing can swing a long way. How much money do you think Beijing paid these “activists”?

    Surely they know that none of these islands in question belong to China.

    What next, they are going to travel 700 miles to the Philippines to claim island 20 miles off the coast of Manila?

    • linette

      Jeff, We the Hong Kong people are smarter than you that’s for sure. These activists want to protest. They want to be heard. They are mad because Japan harassing Chinese fishermen using Diaoyu Island and the fishing grounds next to taiwan.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOub-U8cY-8

      The japanese coast guards rammed into the Taiwan fishermen boat harassing them. video 1:21 The fishing water right next to Taiwan and Diaoyu where Chinese fishermen have been using since Ming dynasty.

      I am in USA now. Let me sail myself to Canada to your backyard and put my flag there and build a shed. Maybe I can claim your land too.

      • tai wai

        We the Hong Kong people are smarter than you that’s for sure.

        We must have met different Hong Kong people.

      • mr. wiener

        So suddenly HKers care about what happens to Taiwanese fishermen? I think there is more to it than that, an underlying dislike of the Japanese certainly, but I think you’ll find Beijing back there somewhere gleefully stirring the pot.

        • Nick in Beijing

          It’s a simple matter of “We are (ethnically at least) Chinese! Those things are not!”

          Wish it were more complicated than that, but more than likely it’s not…

          There are likely some interest groups in Beijing, as well as HK and Taiwan who are stirring the pot, but the ladle and broth are both racially motivated likely.

          • mr. wiener

            Too many cooks perhaps.

          • John

            I doubt “race” plays a factor here. It’s more ethnic and national interest.

        • Risible

          Of course, Mr. Wiener. There is only 1 Hong Kong citizen among the 14 names provided. The rest are from mainland.

        • tai wai

          an underlying dislike of the Japanese

          That’s the only reason any regular people really care.

          Why do those islands belong to China? Because fuck Japan, that’s why.

          • A GUY

            Truest post ever.

      • mr. wiener

        Lin.
        As to the historical argument, Indonesian fishermen were coming to northern Australia to collect sea cucumbers long before whities ever got to these shore, but such practices are frowned on nowadays, especially since they tend to fish with TNT now.
        An arrangement between fishermen from different countries can be reached without the aid [or hinderence] of flag waving crazies.

        • linette

          More like oil they are all interested in. Wiener, you don’t think diaoyu island which is next to Taiwan is a Chinese Island? It’s a Japanese Island? How did those Japanese get to Diaoyu island far away from Japan in ancient time? They were exploring and looking for lands. They want lands from China. WwII.

          • mr. wiener

            The islands if you look at them on a map are roughly half-way between Okinawa and Taiwan, a little further away from China. I hope everyone can learn to play nice over this one and share any potential oil profits, but I’m not optimistic. being flag waving twits like these guys are doing is not helping.

          • linette

            And Okinawa is very far from Japan. :)

            Okinawa and diaoyu are all small islands close to China and Taiwan. Not Japan. Japan wants lands.

          • Tengu

            How the fuck did we get Samoa and Wake Island.

            I’m going to open a mutton flap and turkey tail joint in Samoa…they’re very big there, which is why “they’re very big there.”

          • Nanny Hiccups

            they are going to need those lands if there’s another tsunami. i take back what i said, let them have it.

          • linette

            Nanny Hiccups…..

            Diaoyu is too small. Japan always deal with natural disasters. It’s part of their lives. :(

          • linette

            China have so much lands. If only China can give some to Japan. Give some to Hong kong too. :)

          • Nanny Hiccups

            indeedly. I used to hate that japan and the other northeast asian countries always seem so xenophobic. but i feel they must resist western influence to retain what is unique about their culture, it is too important. sad to see everybody walking around like westerners, nothing old, everybody striving to look polished, with tall unsightly skyscrapers, sterile offices godawful iphones glued to their faces chasing dollar signs.

          • linette

            ……….everybody striving to look polished, with tall unsightly skyscrapers, sterile offices godawful iphones glued to their faces chasing dollar signs………..

            too late…that sounds like hong kong. :(

          • Nanny Hiccups

            i don’t know why they just don’t give those islands to me. i’d turn it into a topless paradise. (I mean topless men serving me exotic drinks).

          • linette

            …..I mean topless men serving me exotic drinks……

            hahaha..nanny. Yes yes yes. You will love it. We will send over our HK australians, UK, Indians, Chinese, finopines over to your island and serve you drinks topless. The Taiwanese and Japanese can join if they want to.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            if they’re up to it, they can even wear thongs!

      • Jeff

        So they want to illegally invade Japanese waters to protest? Then they should be put in jail- the same way China would put illegal enterers in jail if someone entered China.

        • ChineseFighter

          i know you must be sad to have ur mum throw into a chinese jail, how can they separate lovers… where is the humanitarianism

      • sern

        So? Chinese boats dropped debris in the path of & harassed an unarmed US surveillance vessel in international waters. Why can’t JP coast guard act as aggressively in a disputed area?

        BTW about Canada, Swing by the east coast in your yacht I wouldn’t mind a cruise. Hell I’ll supply the flag. We can sail up to Yarmouth & ethnically cleanse them , ship em all off to goofieland

      • Peter

        The consensus in Japan and the documenting video evidence is that the taiwanese ‘fishing boat’ rammed the Japanese coast guards boat. Take a look at it from different angles (not just the cut, re-cut, Chinese version[youtube it]).

        Having seen the latest ‘demonstration’, its clear to see who the aggressors are… Sorry, but are those face’s of contorted rage the face’s of a peaceful demonstration?

        • linette

          ………taiwanese ‘fishing boat’ rammed the Japanese coast guards boat………..

          peter, can I see that version of your video please. The youtube video looked like the JP boat cut in front of the TW boat causing head to side collision. This video from youtube was taken by JP coast guard on the jp boat. you can clearly see the jp boat cut in front of the TW boat causing collision.

          It’s very annoying to see news of JP coast guard confront Chinese fishermen causing conflicts who are just fishing in the water in their own backyard. Diaoyu island is right next to Taiwan and far far away from Japan. America had not right giving it to Japan against China’s will. How can there be no conflict? It will until Japan leave this island which is located next to Taiwan.

    • Rick Gigahertz

      Beijing proxies for sure, look at the roster – unemployed and old!

  • Robko Byalov

    And if we had a prooperly functioning United Nations, these things would never happen.

    “We set foot on this rock 500 years ago. No, we took it off you after World War 2. Well we want it back now because it’s geographically closer to us and we want the rights for fishing and any mineral deposits.”

    If islands are inhabited (e.g. Falklands) the citizens there should choose what they want. If islands are uninhabited like this, it’s a lot more complicated.

    What does seem to me clear about uninhabited islands is this – pretty much any logic by which China might say the Diaoyu Islands are Chinese (and I’m sympathetic to this) could be used by the Philippines to say Panatag Shoal is their’s.
    It seems impossible to have it both ways.
    Personally, I would argue that if an uninhabited island is much closer to one of the disputing nations, it should be their’s. If the island is equidistant or close to equidistant, then the current holder should keep it.

  • Misiooo

    Truth is, Japan, despite all her flaws, is the only guarantor of civilization in Asia, just like Germany is in Europe. It has always been pain for Jews there and Chinamen here. My dream: wake up from the nightmare called Chinese Shanghai I’m living to neat, clean, respectful and egalitarian Japanese Shanghai. Maybe one day…

    • linette

      respectful and egalitarian Japanese………..hmmm..I don’t know about this part. Japanese also are kind of nutty. A lot of nationalists. A lot of those “You have to die if you dishonor your country” crazy people. “If I don’t win I will just commit suicide” in their tv dramas. They are weird. Very dramatic. They are nice to their own people but not to non Japanese. They can do gruesome things. Really crazy. Look at their AV porns and nanjing massacre. That tells you a lot about their minds.

      • ddd

        Still better than PRCs

      • Misiooo

        I’m not some ばか外人 and I’m well aware of the flaws (I’ve already said that I presume) and I agree (maybe except propagandist Nanjing stuff) with your comments on Japanese psyche, yet I’m willing to live with that as long as my life is shaped chaos-free as in Tokyo or any other Japanese-managed settlement.

        • linette

          ……..propagandist Nanjing stuff…………..

          ??? What???

        • linette

          misiooo, what did your Japan gov’t tell you about your drinking water in Japan? Did they tell you guys anything?

          • Misiooo

            I’m white European, Lynette. And buying into your sarkastic, yet very simple joke: I don’t care what they said about water as for me every time government opens mouth, it lies. Any government.

      • Risible

        I see Linette. And Chinese are so nice to non-chinese. Teaching English to mainland chinese, provides a window into the inner workings of the mainlander mentality, or lack of it. In real world, it takes an average of 3 years to attain a degree of fluency in any language. Failure to achieve this means you are simply stupid. Most business students in mainland china have been learning English since primary school and are still taking lessons. I mean you need to just face it. You will never be on par with the international community. Never.

        Oh, Japan wants land. Nanjing you say. So how about Xingjiang? Whose land is that? But of course you won’t answer this. It was chinese tribes who assisted the japanese to enter china so they could fuck over another tribe. And how did japan manage to rummage around like they did? Due to the mentality, or lack of it, of the average mainland chinese. Easy to subdue as you never assist one another even if someone falls over in the street. It is this attitude, that leaves you open to a million nanjings. So stop whining about nanjing. No one cares about that except you.

        • linette

          ……..So stop whining about nanjing. No one cares about that except you……

          I care..I care about the suffering of those victims of nanjing. I wish it never happened.
          I care about the holocaust victims. No humans should endure such war crime.
          I care about 911 victims. No humans should died like that from those terrorists.

          I am sorry that a person like you don’t care. Because you just simply don’t have any decency nor a good heart. I care.

          • Risible

            They are all dead. How about we care about the living, so we don’t have to live in regret? So, as I was saying. What do you have to say about China’s treatment of the Turks of Xingjiang? The Uyghurs I mean.

        • Misiooo

          I’m glad you brought that up. After embargoed by the West in 40s it was Chinese businessmen who supplied Japan with oil and other resources. Today these families are running multi billion enterprises and with their whitewashed biographies are big advocates of China – family Li (Li Kai Shing), Tan (Lucio Tan) or Lee Ruling Dynasty (Lee Kuan Yew) to mention just a few. How about thousands of Chinese ‘police’ officers, Imperial Army, Navy and Kempeitai volunteers? How about bloody campaigns marked by mass murder (Tibet), rape (Vietnam) and cannibalism (Korea)? Chinese nationalism is relatively new phenomenon as ‘Chinese nation’ is a very new creation and closely resembles its original model – Soviet nation. With its lack of common sense, core values, empathy and intelligence this Chinese nationalism when properly equipped, can wreck havoc incomparably more terrifying than anyone else before. But I’m sure it’s main momentum will be directed inwards as it was always the case in the past. So Lynette, stop bashing Japs and look in the mirror. And stop using physical violence against minors in your custody – I recall you admitted to this once.

          • linette

            Misiooo, I apologize if you feel that I am bashing Japan. Every gov’t has flaws. China, Japan, taiwan, HK they all have flaws. I just point the out because sometimes I feel annoyed with the news.

            I am not happy that Japan refuse to accept responsibility of Nanjing. I don’t like that. I don’t think the Chinese are asking for any compensation. They just want japan to accept what they did.

            Someone above mentioned that they rather have Japan governs China than China governs China. I rather not. I rather have HK or taiwan gov’t governs China. That’s all.

          • Hokit

            Linette wasn’t bashing the Japanese – just emphasising she supports China’s position. Her tone was more controlled compared to the extremists trolling the internet.

            That being said, I think the issue has been given too much attention. There are more pressing matters to get on top of and it’s unbelivable that all this energy is being directed over a slab of uninhabitable rocks rather than helping those in dire circumstances.

        • wacky

          what kind of treatment are you talking about??
          uygur in guangzhou as far as i know are free to sell their kebab or other things on the street while the han vendors will get their goods confiscated, the hui muslim restaurant are all over guangzhou and they can arrange chairs and tables in front of their store while the han can not and this happened even during the 2010 asian games.

        • Risible, what an idiot you are. People in Japan, Korea, Italy and Egypt also spend years at school learning English with negligible results.

          It is just not true that it only takes three years to become fluent in “any language”. Especially when you are learning it in school as a second language, it’s very different from your own, and you have no chace to practice outside of school.

          I hate native English speakers judging others by how well they learn English. The only thing which transpires is your own ignorance. I’d like to see how people in your country would get on learning Chinese at school. I bet they would not find it such a breeze.

          • Risible

            ” I’d like to see how people in your country would get on learning Chinese at school. I bet they would not find it such a breeze”

            Not a breeze, neither interesting. Oh and I will not descend into calling names. What I will do is a favour for you:

            Lesson 1:

            1. Memorise some big words, like ‘if’ and ‘or’.

            See me tomorrow.

          • ChineseFighter

            risible it’s xinjiang btw.

            But what’s wrong with the current Uyghur ppl ?
            they should be thankful about the cultural assimilation, just like the Mongols and Manchu, actually i may have used the wrong term here, because they were fascinated about the Chinese civilisation and were actually willing to be assimilated voluntarily.

  • the ace of books

    Clearly the Japanese weren’t informed about the cunning use of flags. Just sail across the sea and stick a flag in. “I claim the Diaoyu Islands for China!”

  • ddd

    The Japanese government have no backbone.
    Every evidence and fact proves that the island is sovereign Japanese territory.

  • markus

    In the protest photo the Chinese people are using the ww2 flag not the current Japanese flag, i guess it was done on purpose but is likely to just course more tension.

    From what i know it should belong to China however it does belong to Japan as after ww2 that island was never given back to China and when Japan signed China back to the Chinese that island wasn’t part of the written contract. (China should have done something about it at the end of WW2.

    Also I read a comment here of people comparing this to the Forklands island near argentina.

    This issue is completely different for many reasons
    1. When Brittan took this island Argentina didn’t even exist (Spain gave it away)
    2. The Forkalnds island has had British people living their before Argentina existed and Britain has maintained that Forkalnds is free to choose its future with or without the UK. Argentina on the other hand decided to attack.

    So the islands aren’t similar in anyway.
    They are and have been inhabited for a long time unlike all the tiny islands being disputed between China, Japan, Philippines etcetera etc..

  • ThinkBlue

    Can you imagine the day China ever gets to fully control these shitty little islets? They will have the biggest little boner the world has ever known, boasting with unquestioning ever-fervent nationalistic pride, yet still no one will give a shit. China, this is not how you win the soft power game. Focus on something important and try making some international friends.

    • The global community should give them face and let them have what is theirs and then maybe they will also be more tolerant and give face back…this is asian culture and we are ignorant to its true history and the emotional connections they have. If that were a part of the USA and another country claimed ti like that I would be fuckn crazy mad!

      By the way Fuck Japan! They killed my Grandfather brother in WW2! They were horrible and unhuman! They can take their toyotas (well made car) and shove it up their asses…

      • blah

        it doesnt matter, the previous poster was right. Really exercising soft-power would mean to drop these nit picky no one fucking cares issues and focus on bigger ones.

        No one fucking cares about these shitty islands.

        • Please refer to Pedra Branca dispute between SG and MY. The whole of the South China Sea is full of contention, and the ICJ in The Hague will be very busy – probably as we speak. This will drag on and on and on as the nitty-gritty of inspecting archives progresses in a UN type of setting. The last thing even the PLA(N) wish for is some kind of world war at sea based on rocks and sea-bed rights.

          • And yes I know these particular islands are in the E China Sea rather than the S China Sea.

          • ThinkBlue

            Did you just mention the ICJ? The ICJ has no fucking power to enforce anything. China or ANY country would not listen to the ICJ if they lost a case where they would lose LAND.

          • ThinkBlue That is quite a cantankerous response. Having worked with the PLA(Navy) they will want to securely gain the rights to geography and this can only realistically be achieved by a body which spans CN / JP / PH / VN. To not do so risks tit-for-tat such as torpedoing, and PLA(Navy) sailors aren’t paid enough go around risking getting stuck in a Davy Jones Locker. There is a lot of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) at play in the China Seas.

        • Your right and so they should move on to bigger issues and let the Chinese win one. Throw em a bone bro.

      • ThinkBlue

        So what you’re saying is, everyone should just give countries whatever they want because their culture says so? How can you be so illogical? “Give me this island or you will hurt the feelings of my people!” That’s complete bullshit. Having emotional connections to something does not make it yours.

        And the way you speak about modern Japan, well I’m not surprised.

      • Peter

        Fuck America. How many grandfathers brothers have they killed? Moron.

        Settle down Joe, go eat another cheese burger.

        • sern

          Joe ain’t American you moron

        • Matt

          Fuck Peters. How many grandfathers’ brothers have they killed? Moron.

          Settle down Peter, go deny Jesus three more times before the cock crows.

          • Deepzen

            Fucking brilliant

  • Those Islands do belong to the Chinese! Even thought the Chinese are a bit over zealous about their claims over much of asia they are right on this one. Japan should have been pushed off most every island after WW2 they were not punished enough as the germans were and still to this day do not reflect their actions clearly or correctly enough in their history books and education. This is just the beginning. Chinas day has come and we should not try and slow them down but help them to achieve their rightful place. Lets not be on the wrong side of history. Lets not let politics and western policy goals get in the way of the truth!

    • Scott

      Sorry “American Joe” but you are revealed as an overly eager PRC propagandist. There is nothing “American Joe” about you but the moniker (用戶名).

      But my stepfather was in WWII, in the US Merchant Marine, and when very young I asked him what he did during the war. He carefully replied, “I made the Murmansk run seven times.” Another small detail: he once told me that he remembers ships at every point of the compass on fire. That’s an entire convoy in flames.

      That, my boy, is truth, and I don’t appreciate someone like you saying how former enemies should be treated by succeeding generations of Americans. Stop posing as what you are obviously not and so salvage some self-respect and dignity.

      • Northerner

        Scott 100% with you. My Grandfather protected the Atlantic Convoys in the Royal Navy. Never had a bad word to say about German sailors or submariners — he respected them as wartime equals who eventually came out on the losing side.

        Details like this are lost on an idiot like American Joke.

        • Im sure all the jews in the world would appreciate your opinion too. Your an idiot! Fuck the Germans and their nazi asses. If they would of won your old gran-pa would have thought differently. He was just being a gentlemen and good winner. Grow up.

          • fenqing basher

            Hehehe, another empty hulled fenqing.
            Well my boy, the islands belong to the better and more skilled warriors, thus Japan.

          • GodsHammer

            You’re an idiot G.I.Joe…stfu with your blunt, blind yammering. The Germans are one of the few countries holding this shitty globe together at the moment…and the Chinese could learn a LOT from Japanese about societal behavior. Get an education, get a clue, get some perspective….or just get a gag and some mittens to stop you from further hate posts.

        • You know, it was easy to respect the Germans as “war-tie equals” when you were an American soldier. The Germans treated American andBritish captives comparatively well. If you were a German Jew, like my grandfather happened to be, it was rather harder to see the German army in that light. Ukrainian peasants probably wouldn’t have seen them like that either.

          • Northerner

            My comments were in no way made in an effort to undermine the experiences and in many cases remaining feelings that Western and Eastern European nationals and the various ethnic, religious and social groups have in regard to what they or their ancestors endured as a result of Nazism.

            I do not know if it was easy for my Grandfather to respect the Germans (and neither do you), nor for his wife’s two brothers who died in that war or the brothers, cousins, fathers from my family who died in the First War.

            I have only reported what I remember from his stories to me as a child. Had he been Jewish, Romany, Polish or Ukrainian or any combination of those I dare say his attitude may have been different.

      • Sorry to disappoint you but Im as blue eyed a devil as they come. Born and bred in dallas texas my friend so beat another drum dumbass! Your so typical in thought. Just because I don’t dance to your Fox news drum you ass-ume Im not american. Go take a jump off the golden gate bridge you fascist fox follower.

        • Northerner

          I think even genuine Texans could make a more convincing attempt at appearing American than you Joe.

          • You really are an idiot. Where from? probably some ill educated place like Liverpool!

          • Northerner

            There’d been no point in my telling you where I am from as you would need a proper map (one with appropriate place names like Spratly Islands, Paracel Islands, Pratas Islands, Macclesfield Bank, Scarborough Shoal and Senkaku Islands) and the ability to read (with or without ashtrays on your little yellow face).

            Incidentally, the oldest Chinese community in Europe is in Liverpool, there’s really no need to embarrass them with your trite little remarks.

          • What do you brits have to do with freeing those Islands from the Japs any way? funny you defend the Japs. Im sure all your surviving british vets would appreciate your view.

            Do you have a point by the way you seem to take any side. You brag about liverpools chinese community and then make racist remarks. Your a gem!

        • Hey Joe. I’m also a white, blue eyed person born and raised in Texas. However, I am one-upping you with gorgeous, straight blonde hair and the ability to grow facial hair better than most men. It’s a deep burgundy-red, too. Hell, last year I had an actual handlebar mustache. Now that we know I am more colorful and thus more qualified at being white, let’s continue.

          If you were actually a Texan, or an American trying to be Texan, you’d have said you prefer Shiner or (if you’re really proud of being Texan) Lonestar. But, no, you chose Belgian horse piss (Stella) and Irish sewage runoff (Guinness) as your idea of decent beers.

          I give your American imitation abilities 4 stars out of 50.

          Now if you’re actually in Dallas, I’m going to start driving there now. In about two hours, I want you to walk over to I-30 and lay down in the middle of it. My car will be arriving at about 75mph and I would appreciate it if you were there.

          • Risible

            +1 Whiskercat, I was wondering where you have been! Good to see you back!

          • Thanks! I’ve been on planes. Glad to be back

          • linette

            hey whisker, you are in texas Dallas now? Must be fun. What’s in Dallas? What do you folks do for fun? Any nice bar or stadium?

          • Nah I’m not from Dallas, or live there. But I’m in Arkansas as of today. Arkansas is the place to be.

        • mr. wiener

          Just so you know, in that case I’m a redneck northern liberal ethnic pro-life jewish fixed-incomes no-nukes gun nut called Frieda.

          • I’ve met people pretty similar to what you described, but not Jewish ones.

    • vince

      Let me guess another Chinese posing as an American, did you have to use ‘American’ in ur handle, obvious troll is obvious.

      • I would be happy to meet any of you netizen fags for a beer and you can see how white and blue eyed I am. I will be at Oscars for a guiness on tuesday at noon. Come one come all. Your buying the beers for being wrong. Laughing tuesday!

        • Scott

          Well, “American Joe”, rather than adding insults on internet forums why not improve yourself by at least trying to differentiate “your” from “you’re”, use grammar school level punctuation, stop writing as if you’re (there! see how easy it is?) phone texting, and apply yourself to expressing yourself in other ways than forehead-slapping-tongue-lolling stupidly?

          No, your grammar and mindset give you away, you are a poseur as I said.

        • fenqing basher

          Ur arse may be white and you wear blue contact lenses as many many of your brothers and sisters do, you do that just to get a taste of how well absolute Caucasian beauty feels.
          So dont get lost drinking paulaner, you cant handle quality brew, and be aware its german.

          • Paulaner sucks! I need a good stella or guiness to satisfy me. And as for the blue eye comment you can always find me and look into my eyes directly before I bash your fukn head in you ignorant racist bastard. Go hide yourself you netizen fuck. You can only make com when you are hidden by your computer. What an ass. Your probably German and too embarrassed to say so. Go have your lover eat your poo or something constructive you Krouts do.

          • Brett Hunan

            I really wish you would stop flaunting how “American and proud” you are. Its embarrassing the rest of us Americans who aren’t comeplete asses. You are one of the reasons people have so many negative stereotypes about us.

          • I thought I was not considered American now Im so typical huh! Piss off Brett you cunt!

          • Northerner

            ‘Piss off Brett you cunt!’

            Watch it Brett, you are dealing with a master of scathing wit and brilliant repartee.

          • Brett Hunan

            Northerner~

            Yea, I had an idea of what I was up against when I provoked AJ. Delightful group we have posting today, huh?

          • Northerner

            I admire your strategy Sir. It worked for Ali against Foreman.

            I think AJ may have retired early with a nose bleed induced by the above quoted retort.

          • kw

            i admire how you westerners turn on your own just because he have different opinion.
            yah..it just show how hypocrite you are..
            trying to paint someone else to be other thing because of their opinion..and then use that assumption to beat down the fellow..
            then pat each other on the back for the job well done..
            oh well,i can expect from bunch of stupid westerners..

          • Northerner

            Roses are red
            Violets are blue
            I’m schizophrenic
            I’m American Joe and kw too

            ‘i admire…(a) bunch of stupid westerners.’

            Yes we get it.

          • kw

            lol..
            i don’t need to pretend to be something else to tell you that you are stupid..
            you really like to find something that does not exists don’t you?
            is it because you have limited knowledge?
            i don’t agree fully with AJ argument.
            but yeah,your action really disgusting..lol.
            english ‘gentlemen’

          • Northerner

            ‘you really like to find something that does not exists don’t you’

            Oxymoron, moron.

            Go on, knock yourself out.

          • kw

            err…why i must knock myself out..
            because you can utter “oxymoron”?
            maybe you should wait for your packs..
            without them,you are nothing..
            can’t even construct a defence..
            oh well..

          • Northerner

            A defence against what?

            I am struggling to see anything you’ve jabbed out with your head-stick that merits a defence. A retort on my part would be akin to kicking away a cripple’s crutches because I didn’t like the way he looked.

            In fact I feel about as threatened by you as the Japanese undoubtably did by a bunch of red flag waving imbeciles getting themselves all wet on a bunch of remote rocks of the coast of Japan whilst carrying instructions from some low ranking dolt in Beijing trying to drum up a little nationalistic fervour because the other swimming events didn’t work out too well.

          • vince

            Pada is that u? i see u dropped the lols

          • kw

            wow..i am threatening you by the internet?
            that’s new for me…
            if you feel threatened,just wait for more of your packs to arrive.they will have fun.so they can be less sad in their life.just like you:).

            @vince,whoever that is, i am not him

          • Northerner

            You really are bereft of original thought or comment, aren’t you?

            Talk about knowing when to stop digging.

          • Kukuku

            Northerner with a fresh shipment of LOL.

            /bows

          • Brett Hunan

            kw

            “just because he have a different opinion.”

            I didnt realize being an arrogant ass was considered “having a different opinion”. I will be more aware next time.

          • kw

            @Brett,
            oh well,your advice to him is actually sensible.
            just not at the right moment…
            you gave him the advice while others are attacking him with something else.
            and you only tell him about how he is so typical USA. what do you expect?

            for others.
            different opinion than you,then he is not westerner?
            how convenient,even if you just want to use that to insult him.

          • sern

            Piss off & calling a guy “you cunt” are not very American, more like Britspeak.

          • vince

            @kw It’s not about opinions here, the problem lies in where the grammatical mistakes and sentence constructions are lax to the point that it becomes glaringly obvious that the person posting is a ‘poser’.

        • sern

          Guiness? your buying?

          I believe Joe may well be an ESL teacher

          • Tengu

            He’s not using any English I’ve ever seen or heard.

            Horrific syntax , punctuation, poor sentence structure…he’s from Texas alright.

            @Brett you cunt you, are you a dad yet?

          • Brett Hunan

            Not yet, ya twit. October cant come fast enough!

        • Risible

          So you like meeting netizen fags for a beer to show them how white and blue eyed you are? Come one come all? That sounds revolting. ‘Laughing Tuesday’? Is that what you call the event? All that Yee Haaaa stuff going on?

          Man who keeps hands in pocket, feel cocky all day- chinese proverb

          • Risible

            The comment above was for American Joe.

    • ddd

      No it doesn’t, the Chinese only claimed the island once there it was discovered that there were natural resources there.

      • Just like everyone else… thanks for your imput D.D.D. ( dumb, diseased and dim witted)

        • fenqing basher

          Wow, you signed your post with d.d.d, did you have a short moment of enlightenment?
          Well well boy, be careful out there, live is difficult for turds like you, especially in china.

        • Risible

          ‘American’ Joe, one thing you are not and that is American. I am British and I can tell you that. In fact, it appears that most people here are aware that you are not as American as you would like to be. I do hope you are not one of those mainlanders with that rather irritating, fake America twang? Oh no, you are…

          Another thing, we foreigners do tend to needle each other. There exists plenty of friendly rivalry between British, American, French etc but there is no hate. We have had our wars in the past yet, look at us today. We stand united. What happens if any country would dare to attack a western country? Why can’t you asians forget the past and start working together like Europe/America? You would be better off for it. In the free world, we poke fun at each other, even in media, over a drink, make fun of accents and use of English but, there is no hate. We are fully aware of how we are perceived on a global scale by the global community. One of your problems is, that you have no idea how you as China, are perceived globally.

          Get over your hate issues. If you go down the road of advocating hatred, you will not have much fun on this forum. Or in your life. Now go away and think about this and, don’t ever make me have to write like this again.

          You would have more standing if you used your chinese name. ‘American Joe’ An American would never call himself that. It’s like me calling myself British Male.

          • Im not angry at all, you ned to step off the soap box. Your no Jesus.

          • vince

            @ American Joe let me help you out, this is what your sentence should read
            I’m not angry at all, you need to step off the soap box. You’re no Jesus.

          • Risible

            Vince, thank you for that! NOW i get it. Ok Joe, i’m off the soap box and never pretended to be Jesus. I Moses for goodness sake!

          • Risible

            Vince, thank you for that! NOW i get it. Ok Joe, i’m off the soap box and never pretended to be Jesus. I am Moses for goodness sake!

          • I don’t think most members of what you call the “free world” have much idea how their countries are perceived globally. This is even though they were lucky enough to be born in multicultural societies where they can meet people from all over the world in their local high street, and speak languages known all over the globe. This is especially true about people from the US, who are mostly blisfully ignorant of how the rest of the world thinks and sees them.

          • cc

            The French, come along now Risible all decent Brits hate the French, have you never been to the Hong Kong Sevens?

    • Risible

      American Joe- you assert that japan was not punished enough. I would find it difficult to find any US serviceman to agree with you. Japan got nuked. They accepted that fact. And today, they work well with the US and global community.

      You on the other hand, preach tolerance for asian (chinese) culture yet in the same breath demand punishment for japan. Yes, once again, Scott nabbed another wannabe american/british chinaman. Go back and LISTEN to your English teacher instead of demanding that he or she help you write stuff.

      And change your name before you even think of posting again. Don’t embarrass yourself like this. It can’t be good for your ego.

      • Nukes were not punishment dude. It was the only way to stop those fanatic murders and not have to waste more lives (American and British). I’m sure your vets from burma and japanese slave labour camps would agree with you though. You seem to know all. We did not work side by side with the Japs after the war out of love we hated them but needed to sue them to fight the rise of communism. We sued them and they use us. China was being raped by years and now they have the chance to stand up and become powerful again cry babies who’s country (England) lost their empire of shame can only throw insults and claim to be so above it all.

        • Risible

          Ok, I tried not to do this but here we go:

          “It was the only way to stop those fanatic murders…”
          1. Fanatical
          2. Murderers

          “We did not work side by side with the Japs after the war out of love we hated them…”
          1. Did Scott not warn and correct you on the use of punctuation? See me after lesson.

          “We sued them and they use us”
          1. What the fuck are you on about? See me after lesson!

          “China was being raped by YEARS (What the FUCK?) and now they have the chance to stand up and become powerful again (WTF? AGAIN?) cry babies (this IS true of china!) who’s country lost their empire of shame can only throw insults….”

          Actually, don’t see me after lesson. Go and ‘see’ yourself in the mirror. You are chinese. There, there. It’s ok. It’s ok to be chinese. But, it’s not ok to be as thick as you and to be permitted to engage in conversation with adults. Now run home to mummy. Go to ktv or so SOMETHING but do not call yourself an American.

          Now why don’t you take a break from this internet thing. Relax, slip into something comfortable. Like a coma.

          • vince

            Sigh this is all DaShan’s fault, the influx of posers started after he made Chinasmack known to the chinese netizens. Kinda fun though, could someone explain whether his name means big mountain or big elephant.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            I’m glad he made it known. I want them to hate westerners even more than they do now, so they can stop idioling western gods.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            *Idiolizing* or worshipping I mean.

          • Capt. WED

            I do not want to take sides here but it’s a bit facetious to claim that there aren’t Americans that do not hold the views such as “Japs deserved what they got” This is a viewpoint hold by a portion of Americans so please do not deny this.

      • Risible

        Jixiang, do you enjoy, like most chinese people, copying other peoples words?

        So, the free world, the vast proportion of the world, has no idea as to how they are perceived by themselves? Nice one.

        It appears you lifted a few words, if not the general premise, of one of my previous comments.

        Fool. It is china that has no idea how it is perceived by the free world. But please, don’t let us change that. Do continue as you are, oblivious to everything aside from your short-term financial gain. You have few years left, enjoy your coffees and ipads. If you run short, sell a kidney or two.

        • linette

          I am reading the comments from all you expats. Boy, you folks really are bunch of whiner complaining so much like sissy. Why not leave China?Go to another country to live. Go to Singapore. Go to Malaysia or Japan. Go to India. Bashing China cursing Chinese out is not gonna change the China gov’t. You have to go to the China internet and voice your opinions and complain to other China chinese about the China gov’t. Make them aware of the China gov’t problem. Maybe you can get them to post complaints on the internet for the china gov’t to see. Maybe some small change will occur. Small change is better than no change.

          Constructive criticisms are good. Racist comments like these posted by you folks are just tiring and so KKK. Now look at yourself in the mirror and repeat after me….”I am a fxcking racist KKK.”

          You may as well as go get a fxcking KKK tattoo on your arm. lol…..

          • tai wai

            Why not leave China?

            It’s cheap, and we are usually treated like white princes. Why leave?

            We just get mad when the locals don’t treat us as well as they should, or believe they are superior to us in any way.

          • Jennster

            expats? wow wtf.

          • Linette There was a time when expats would:

            1. Make love to between 10 and 100 local chicks.
            2. Choose one to settle down with in Asia for a year or two.
            3. Return to the West with her and have children.

            Due to economic stagnation in US / EU this has all stopped. Only Aussies have got it good. Hence expats being “STUCK” in China, and hence a lot of grumbling. Mr Wiener and Whiskers and a guy called cc with the labial lips avatar, and the only 3 happy men!

          • linette

            tai wai..I am tired listening to you expats disrepecting China women. You do that because the only China women you expats can get are those ugly ones. The ones with poor education or non professional ugly china women working behind some cosmetic counters. You will find them all over the streets in China. When was the last time you expats land on Dai fei fei or ziyi zhang type? China girls who are professional making x amount of money buying her own audi with her own money. Probably never. In your dream. Those girls marry to rich good looking China men who looks more like Lin Dan or Sun Yang. Not you.

            You expats are making me throw up. I need to defend those good looking professional China women.

          • Dr SUN

            my wife is very pretty

          • tai wai

            hose girls marry to rich good looking China men who looks more like Lin Dan or Sun Yang.

            What about all those poor, ugly Chinese guys? Do they get to marry Zhang Yiyi, too?

            No?

            Poor Chinese guys make me sick!

            /My wife is hot
            //College educated
            ///Professional

          • mr. wiener

            Oh Linette , Linette, why do you put us all in the same basket? Gross and huge generalizations are a poor form of argument indeed.

          • linette

            mr. wiener……..Sorry mr.wiener. Your wife is Taiwanese. She is not China chinese. You and your lovely wife very nice….
            I am just so sick how these foreigners talk down about china women. I can’t take it. I am sure there are many good looking educated nice foreigners married to China women. BUT NOT buffoon like Risible talking nonsense. puke puke puke…..

            Sorry Richardnorth…..I am certainly not talking about you or your lovely girlfriend in singapore. You two are like very happy and lovely together.

          • Dr SUN

            Linette, are you sure that Taiwanese are not Chinese ?

            We better clear this up for Jin etc……..

          • Linette… 10Q for your kind comments. People slagging off anything vehemently are probably a little love and sex-starved. My prescription would be Ho Chi Minh City VN or Chiang Rai TH for a few days. Elements of Chinese ethnicity, with no modern day attachment to PRC. Should alleviate any culture shock. I call it Calmer Future therapy as a play on Kama Sutra Cheers!

          • linette

            Dr SUN..Taiwanese are Chinese from Taiwan….living under a different gov’t system and society. They have different ideology and even culture is a bit different.

            Are British and American the same?

          • Dr SUN

            That’s not the question Linette you said :

            “mr. wiener……..Sorry mr.wiener. Your wife is Taiwanese. She is not China chinese. You and your lovely wife very nice….”

            so you are saying she (Taiwanese women) is beautiful why, genetic differences, or from her culture of 60 years, I’m confused.

          • Dr SUN As we all know trans-national comparisons of females over 10,000 years are a mission to nowhere. There are aesthetically pleasing Oriental women in CN, VN, TH, TW, HK, PH, MY, SG, ID and so on. I can think of attractive specimens from each, from the glamosphere, others’ wives or from sensible sexual encounters.

          • Risible

            But you are not from mainland china. I may have been slow on this but i have just understood you are from HK. If you know anything about expats in mainland, you would know most of us hold HK Chinese in great regard. You are more culturally Chinese than mainlanders could ever be. And mainlanders may not like foreigners but they hate HK Chinese. You know this and I know this. When we used to get across the border from mainland to HK, our friends back in mainland used to send messages asking ‘how is it in civilisation’. That may give you an idea of the inherent respect held for HK Chinese. I have never disrespected Chinese people along ethnic lines- i have always prefixed my comment with ‘mainland’ chinese.

            Singaporean, Taiwanese, Hong Kong, Surabaya in Indonesia and etc. The Chinese of these areas genuine and have no resemblance to the barbaric nature of mainlanders. I offer no apology for this statement.

            HK ladies? They are dignified. They command respect but do not demand it. There lies between these two a very thick line.

            I hereby take back any offensive comment I have made towards you on a personal level Linette.

            Sorry.

          • linette

            Risible, I apologize for being so nasty to you too. But I really don’t like how you talk down to those China women. You have to understand. Many working class mainlanders are in “survival mode” and that’s why they are so uncivilized. It’s the society they are living in. They can find themselve on the street hungry or sick without gov’t aid. Not all of them have access to education. They are rude and barbaric trying to survive. They don’t have a choice. It’s the China gov’t system fault.

            The China Chinese in USA living under usa gov’t system for generations are nice.

            We know China Chinese hate HKers more than Westerners. There are many mainlanders in HK now. They really hate us. Calling us imperialist dogs and pirates. They hate us because we don’t agree with China gov’t.

            The mainlanders in Hk a lot of them are rich with corruption money they brought over from China. They live above China law back in China. They don’t understand hk regulations and HK gov’t law. I don’t like them neither. But they don’t represent all China chinese.

          • Linette I feel you are ingenious. I am British, and HK Chinese-ethnicity families are un-corrupt, hate Triads, and produce many sons and daughters who are GODDAMNED Cantonese. Ask a HK Chinese man in UK whether he is “Chinese” and he will say no. Cantonese. Strong people who will NEVER go away.

        • linette

          Risible, besides English, what other language can you write and speak?

          • tai wai

            English is the only language that really matters.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Nice try. This is why certain westerners are dummies. They can only speak one language whereas the world at large, speak two or three.

          • linette

            Taiwai you are embarrassing your own people. Most Asian I know can speak, read, and write at least two languages. English and Chinese. Some also know spanish. They are trilingual. Some are quadrilingual. Chinese, English, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese, Korean…etc…

            Now go tell your children to learn more than one language. It’s important if you want to be competitive.

          • tai wai

            Taiwai you are embarrassing your own people.

            trollface.jpg

          • Risible

            Why, are you going to offer me a job? Or worse, you need help with your visa application to escape from mainland china? No to both requests.

          • Risible

            @linette. Why, are you going to offer me a job? Or worse, you need help with your visa application to escape from mainland china?

          • linette

            Risible
            You are so dumb. I have dual citizenships. I have access to both gov’t benefits. Full benefits universal healthcare, free education, plus housing assistant from both gov’t. It’s my birth right from my land. You jealous?

          • Risible

            @linette, we can make fun of each other and laugh no? You can mock me all you like, and i will laugh with you. It’s good to be able to laugh at yourself. Not too much like American Joe and Co.;-)

            I will continue to reply to your comments and poke fun at you;-) and it would be fun if you did the same.

            Regarding mainland chinese, don’t get offended. I am happily married to a european lady and intend to stay that way. I have sharp views regarding mainland chinese-that i do admit.

            ‘survival mode’- just go and look into some parts of the world where they have less than nothing AND war going on. You may find the kindest, most warm hearted people you have ever met in places like this. There is no excuse Linette, really no excuse. To say, someone is this or that due to culture would be thinking too highly of culture. It is a convenient, lazy and incomplete reality. How about human culture? The one culture that binds all humans together?

            This is not about money. Man (ok AND women) makes money, money has never made a man. Education-some provide the excuse of education, or the lack of it, to justify actions of others but, wisdom is neither taught nor learnt in classrooms. We need to start getting real on what we are on.

            Yes, I appear a little harsh, and it is just a little, on mainland chinese. I agree on this. But you have not had to endure what foreigners have to on a daily basis. In most western countries, we don’t even use the term ‘foreigner’. Yes, we have racists here too, and as a black man i can tell you it is everywhere, racism is in all of us. It’s just the degrees that vary.

            I loved everything chinese and would never listen to a negative word about china while i was living in Britain before i went to mainland. It is 10 years of pure shock which has altered my views somewhat.

            Let’s be objective, ok the sarcasm is just poking fun, but in all seriousness, if we cannot criticise ourselves, we cannot criticise others. In Britain, just take a look at how critical we are of ourselves and, critical thinking exists in most of the western world.

            Ask yourself why you do not hear negative comments on the Chinese of other countries, including HK.

            Anyway, I have to go right now, you be cool and speak to you tomorrow.

            Missing Hong Kong:-)

          • Nanny Hiccups

            From Risible I loved everything chinese and would never listen to a negative word about china while i was living in Britain before i went to mainland. It is 10 years of pure shock which has altered my views somewhat.

            That is so sad. I can’t believe you managed ten years in that place. It must have been hell, to deal with those kinds of people and ignorance. I can believe you do not want to believe anything negative about china. I know so many brothers like that, and even sisters who idiolize asian culture whether it is japan or china. I want to shake them and say, HEY THOSE PEOPLE DONT LIKE YOU STOP IT! But I don’t want to hurt their feelings. My daughter and my step daughter are both into japanese culture and all the anime and manga stuff and my daughter studies japanese because she wants to teach in Japan. She has literally begged me, to pay for her trip but I refuse because she does not understand how xenophobic these cultures are. She believes the stuff she sees in the entertainment industry and not reality.

            So I can see how you were duped going into that situation, finding reality entirely different.

        • tai wai

          Jixiang, do you enjoy, like most chinese people, copying other peoples words?

          Uh, I’m pretty sure he’s a white dude.

          • Risible

            @ Linette. No not jealous, since you get housing benefits from both governments it would appear you are unemployed. Being British, educated and in full-time employment and running my own business, I actually feel sorry for you. Really.

          • linette

            Risible
            I do have a job. I provide for myself. Thank you.

      • Nanny Hiccups

        Risible, why do you think anyone with poor grammar or writing skills is Chinese? I enjoy your wit and postings but let’s stop with acting like the grammar police. I get it. I mean, it’s an easy strategy to belittle people. But it’s a little too easy. You got it in you… you keep reducing their arguments to rubble and I’ll get the popcorn. It is very entertaining.

        • Risible

          Ok sis’ i’ll behave. Pwomith;-) But it IS tempting, at least you may agree with me on that;-) It’s not about poor grammar and writing skills. It’s about chinglish grammar and no writing skills. Ok ok! I pwomithed i would behave!.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            naughty naughty you! :o) Oh please do behave!

        • Capt. WED

          Reducing people’s argument how? With generalizations and personal attacks? Yes I reduce your arguments because Nanny Hiccups you are a fat ass American! LOL.

          ‘survival mode’- just go and look into some parts of the world where they have less than nothing AND war going on.

          Where exactly? Don’t tell me Liberia. Don’t point to some incident then go oh that proves it because I can do the same thing, bring up some random report and go oh look.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            captain, what are you butthurt about now? And I don’t care about peole talking shit about liberia or africa. i’m not from either country or continient. I’m american. And yes, a fat ass american woman because i eat well. And I am a pretty woman anyway so who cares.

            CAPT You only see what you want to see when you read these comments. Risible and I are not talking about stereotypes and generalisations. I’m talking about personal arguments with people who come here and act like jackasses, I do not support any mean views on chinese people. It is not nice to paint everyone with the same brush because people are different.

          • Risible

            @capt.wed:

            Your accusation:
            “With generalizations and personal attacks?”

            Your comment:
            “Yes I reduce your arguments because Nanny Hiccups you are a fat ass American! LOL.”

            While it is clear that you are not entirely um, correct in the head, did it really escape your dim view that Nanny Hiccups went at length to actually understand and defend you? And you respond to her with your own personal, not to mention racist attack? Fat ass american you say. How many pigs did your mother copulate with to spawn something like you? Did someone urinate in her milk before she breastfed you or, did someone stamp on your father’s tiny testicles before he and others rammed your mother?

            Either way, you are not normal.

            Sorry Nanny Hiccups. He brings it upon himself.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Sigh. He is a typical, you know how hate-filled and racist those “men” are. I experienced it first hand a few times on this forum and elsewhere, and yet, I am above their blind racism. But thank you Risible. I doubt he has understood anything he reads here. He sees only what he wants to see.

            One thing I try not to do, is let the wickedness of others, corrupt my heart.

          • Capt. WED

            @Nanny Hiccup

            No I didn’t mean that you are an fat ass american lol. Did I just write that? I was imitating whatever that guy’s name is.

      • Dr SUN

        Also linette if Taiwanese are not “China Chinese” that pretty much puts a end to any claim the PRC have on Taiwan, doesn’t it.

        • linette

          dr. sun. Taiwan itself is a country. It doesn’t belong to China. Yes..I CALL IT COUNTRY OK…screw UN and China whatever they want to say. Taiwan has their own taiwan gov’t system. Taiwanese don’t live under China gov’t political system. Their lives are different. Even culture and common practice are a bit different.

          When you say Chinese you are not giving me too much info of that person. My second question would be Chinese from which country? Taiwan, Singapore, or China. If from China is it HK or Mainland.(HK is part of China now after 1997) HK is called special administrative region…with our own HK passport. It is still under HK gov’t with our own HK political system for like more than 100 yrs apart from China gov’t. Our culture and common practice are a bit different from mainlanders too. We live in a different society for like more than 100 yrs.

          Some westerners are ignorant. They think all Chinese are China. EVerything made in China.

          It’s like when you tell me a person is Spanish…like Spanish from where? From Puerto rico? From Dominican Republic? Different gov’t political system and culture you know.

          English from where? From British? From America? From Canada? Different gov’t political system and culture.

          • LINETTE… You’re gonna find a husband in the next ten years. Gweilo high-powered exporters, bankers, lawyers and accountants LOVE feisty Cantonese women. Keep up the good work. The first truly Asian woman’s skull dated at 65,000 years old was located in Laos today. You now inspire me – with all your history and ethnicity. All the best girl – keep it up.

          • linette

            ….feisty Cantonese women….

            Richardnorth,hahah..I like this. Watch out! feisty cantonese woman is coming. Don’t make me hit you with my 3inch heels and coach bag…haha….lol. And after hitting you I will reach for the money into your wallet inside your suit jacket. Making you compensate for making me angry. lol…hahahahahaha……

          • Linette I have to be honest here. The HK women I have made love to were already married to gweilo surgeons and professors. They came down to SG for “Ibiza” getaway. I am certain that hotel filmed our lovemaking. Oh well…

          • Risible

            @Linette, I think what you are all about is ethnicity. Taiwanese are ethnically chinese, as are those of HK, Indonesia, Britain etc.

            The mainland chinese, they are in a league of their own. And, give chinese ethnicity a bad name. Not all of us westerners are ignorant of this fact, but you may be right, there are many who are not aware of it.

            Regards

    • Dr SUN

      umm…ok American Joke your going to wait until the PLA is in Hawaii ?

      • Northerner

        He’s a non-patriot from Dallas and he’s currently drawing up a treaty to give Texas back to the Mexicans, no The Spanish, no The Apache or is it The Comanche?

        Anyway, one of them will gain face.

      • I guess American Joke would consider a PLA(N) beach landing on Hawaii to be his next delivery of Tsingtao pilsner.

    • Peter

      I think the Japanese have reflected pretty well on there previous history, I live amongst them and find them to be very warm and friendly to me. They are no longer war mongers, but a peaceful society. I think if you wish to ask if Japan has learnt from its history, ask your self, do you see Japan starting a war any time in the near or distant future? If you respond in the positive, do you actually know any Japanese? Or are you just viewing them through your own little made up prism?

      Has China learnt from Japanese history of aggression? Or is it proving itself to be set on the same path.

      • Risible

        No Peter. China has learnt nothing. They have a deluded idea of exacting some type revenge by way of an ill-fated military adventure and will get themselves spanked in the process. I do agree however with your views on japanese society.

  • Northerner

    From the leaders that brought you ‘Massive Disappointment Over Olympics Medals 2012’ we now present ‘Massive Disappointment Over a Group of Mid-Ocean Rocks.’

    One look at the names in the list of those captured shows how much Hong Kong cares about this.

    かかってこい、通用すると思うなら

  • john

    Great diversion, yeap lets start talking crap instead of real problems. Has any of the 6 trillion stolen come back? How about the situation on real estate development, how many companies face bankruptcy , what about industrial output? What about adidas closing its last factory in China, what about state subsidies to the PV business, what about the 240% import duties on PV levied by the US. What about IP protection. Why did so people die in Beijing because of rain, didnt the radars warn of big rains coming? ….. ok now lets start talking that crap island in the middle of now where. The only interest is really that Japanese scientist believe they might be oil ….

    • Northerner

      Rumour has it that they are planning big budget sequels filmed on location in The Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan.

      Saving Private Face?

      • blah

        thats a winner

      • Risible

        BWAHAHAHA! Ok ‘Northerner’. Nice one Sir! HAhahahha!

      • Dr SUN

        ROFL

    • John

      I wouldn’t necessarily call it a diversion, given this has been a persistent issue for a while now. There are interest groups from China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Japan that are invovled in this, not just the governments. Plus, it’s not like this issue is so big (at least for now) that makes people stop worrying about other problems.

      • John

        Just realize we have the same screen name. So to clarify, I am the other John.

  • wafflestomp

    It’s China’s master plan to keeo gobbling up territory, international waters, and other nations. No doubt they’ll eventually make an Asian Union (Totally controlled by China) while they continue to overpopulate the world. Eventually there will be so many Chinese internationally they can take over countries by legal means.

    • Risible

      China always has and will continue to eat itself. This is a fact. Economy? Give China 5 years. Their economy rests on American/European interests. It is the west who will decide when to send china back to obscurity.

      Oh yes, the economy crisis. Well um, if you are, in any way whatsoever, well versed in economy wars, like the current one, you will realise that the west has china by it’s short and curlys. Sorry-very short and curlys.

      • simon

        Risible, you’re an english teacher? I would usually tell people who have no idea what they’re talking about to stick to their field of expertise, but under the circumstance i would very much like you to expound on a few terms you’ve just thrown in here:

        1)China’s economy in 5 years what? I’m guessing you’re going to say implode, how so?

        2)Economy crisis – what economy crisis? you mean economic crisis? or economy is in crisis? I’m guessing you imply China’s economy is in crisis, actually it’s currently being termed a ‘soft landing’

        3)Economy wars – what economy wars? Countries are throwing money at each other? Who is against who?

        This is going to be very amusing.

        • Sizzle…

          • Risible

            Who are you? Got a name? Sizzle? Look Mascot, your friend simon, who has probably become simone, just got a toasting. Go ‘sizzle’ together.

        • Risible

          Hi Simon, first of all may I ask what you mean by ‘under the circumstances’?

          While you’re at it, let’s leave out the ‘i’m guessing’ bit and refrain from ‘throwing in’ guesses. Particularly putting words in one’s mouth, so to speak. That’s not becoming of an adult, which I generously presume you are.

          I meant what I said. ‘Economic’ as an adjective would denote that the crisis in question is economic in nature, which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, except obviously to you. ‘Economy’ & ‘Crisis’ as a noun denotes that the crisis in question is pertaining to the noun, otherwise known as a compound noun. Wide ranging usage of ‘economic crisis’ while incorrect, has led many, who are not familiar with the English language to adopt it’s usage. It does not however make it correct. Not saying it shouldn’t be used, but I have a preference to using English correctly. Aside from the occasional typos.

          As to the opinions of soft-landings, it appears you rely on BBC or worse, SKY, FOX etc. as sources. While I admit to reading the same, I do it mostly for my own amusement and rarely to expound upon realities related to the financial world. There do exist, preferred options to gauge the financial world, mainstream news is not one of them. That source is there to generally keep the general population ignorant and scared.

          Countries are throwing money at each other? I suggest you read ‘Currency Wars’, although mainstream reading, it does raise a few points not found on BBC etc.

          I hope the above settles any disturbances which occurred in your head.

          • simon

            Wow Risible, you managed to address none of my points, good job. You did well though in trying to hide the blatantly obvious fact that you have no idea what you’re talking about ON the subject of economics.

            Let me address you with regards in ‘under the circumstance’. This being that under the circumstance that you seem like a giant tool – who in trying to create an illusion that your armchair degree in economics gives you the ability to throw none-existent economic terms ad hoc – i will give you a chance to try and save face.

            1) Currency wars, is perhaps a somewhat correct term, there is no such term as “economy wars” in the context of economics. I was merely mocking your inability to use actual economic terms. Though i would suggest this is just a crackpot conspiracy theory which you might want to refrain from believing too much. Countries do manipulate currencies, but there is no evidence there has ever been ‘currency war’ undertaken by countries. Speculators on the other hand do try to “bet against the central bank”

            2)No where did you mention “economic” in your first post, so fail on that one. You kept referring to “economy”, economy wars, economy crisis etc. Again this shows you are an amateur.

            3)What exactly are you reading that is giving you such confidence in the statement “give China 5 years” You still have not given any substance on your reasoning. Soft landing is a legitimate term that is not only being used by respectable news sources such as WSJ, BBC, it is also being quoted by the IMF, do you know what the IMF stands for young one? It is the ‘International Monetary Forum’ and it gives reputable reports on the state of development of countries, google it sometime.

            Your follow up post did at most strengthen my suspicion on your lack of qualification to address anything remotely to do with economics, next time stick to your profession. Continue getting a hard on addressing people’s lack of grammatical expertise and leave the topic of economics to the “adults”. And might i add, it was amusing to see you fail so very, very hard.

          • Risible

            @simon, ok my patience is running thin young padwan (sigh)

            ‘Currency Wars’ is the title of a book. No, I did not write it. But the concept does exist. Happens to be highly recommended reading in China and has been for the past few years.
            http://www.currencywarsbook.com/
            http://www.ft.com/indepth/currency-wars

            From one of your ‘respectable’ sources WSJ (too many links, this is a favour, get the rest yourself)
            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303513404577351662124555028.html

            Another one of your favourites:
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11722578

            Your words to me: “..by respectable news sources such as WSJ, BBC, it is also being quoted by the IMF, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE IMF STANDS FOR YOUNG ONE? IT IS THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FORUM…”

            Simon, do YOU know what IMF stands for, twirp? Consider the following a backhand bitch slap:
            International Monetary FUND. Not forum….
            You were, wrongly, thinking of The World Economic Forum based in Geneva, here’s the link:
            http://www.weforum.org

            In any case, here’s more foolishness from you, and your own ‘respectable’ sources negating what you probably stayed up all night feverishly composing:

            Your words:
            “Currency wars, is perhaps a somewhat correct term, there is no such term as “economy wars” in the context of economics. I was merely mocking your inability to use actual economic terms. Though i would suggest this is just a crackpot conspiracy theory which you might want to refrain from believing too much. Countries do manipulate currencies, but there is no evidence there has ever been ‘currency war’ undertaken by countries…

            I see…consider this a double backhand bitch slap:

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11496300
            and more..
            http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/55e103f2-d495-11df-b230-00144feabdc0.html#axzz24DZ1OOVM

            There is much more where this came from. Now, I suggest you go somewhere and lick your wounds. And next time, ask mummy before you talk to an adult. And also, stop getting so sexual man, ‘giant tool’, ‘hard on’, go find American Joe or Jin, or even Hongjao for all that.

            Oh, i have no issue in failing and, do not begin MY day determined to make others fail. It’s a sad way to begin a day. If i fail, i fail. It’s part of success. Or did they not teach you that concept in ‘economics’?

            I never claimed to be a specialist on economics but, i DO know the difference between ‘economics’ (noun form), ‘economic’ (adjective form), ‘economy’ (noun form) and the compound forms i.e. Economy Crisis. Why can’t you get this idea into your thick skull?

            Now please, be gone. Or else i’ll get linette to deal with you:-) She’s already annoyed and i warn you, she’s not a light-weight.

            In case you have not realised, you have in the process of trying to embarrass me, have made an utter fool of yourself. Go home to mummy, hide under her apron, and don’t surface again until such time as when you have reached 18 years of age.

            Twat.

            @nanny hiccups, you were right, this is TOO easy..

          • simon

            Ok, fair enough about the IMF, in my haste to pwn you i incorrectly named the IMF, point still stands however on the “soft landing” of China rather than your doom and gloom in 5 years which you have STILL to give any form substance. Here’s another point, currently with a 7.6% GDP growth rate, China is doing comparatively well growth wise as opposed to the rest of the nations. Even with a growth rate of 6-7% that would still put it in the range of “soft landing”

            As to currency wars, i already told you that the term is somewhat correct, it’s more appropriately termed currency manipulation or competitive devaluation, currency wars is just a sensationalist term. Why? Because countries do not undertake currency manipulation WITH THE INTENT to screw another country over. “economy wars, like the current one, you will realise that the west has china by it’s short and curlys. Sorry-very short and curlys.” No, sorry, the west does not have China by the surly curlys whatever that means. What the west and any other country can try to do is devalue their currency to stay competitive, what it can’t do is devalue its currency with the intent of screwing China. Let me emphasize this so you will be able to grasp it in its completeness. Why is this not possible? Because “If all nations try to devalue at once, the net effect on exchange rates could cancel out leaving them largely unchanged” It’s a tit for tat strategy that ultimately cancels each other out.

            I already told you that countries manipulate their own currencies, but you have yet to give me a link that actually demonstrates nations undertaking currency manipulation to screw others over, so nice job there. Perhaps you should read my point in its entirety? Why did i mention speculators? because these people actually have the ability to screw over a country’s currency as evidenced by George Soros.

            Long story short:

            1)mistake on IMF, point still stands on soft landing
            2)”currency war” to screw china over “by the curly wurlys” can’t happen
            3)posting a bunch of links has not actually addressed my point, i already agreed with you on the term, what i disagree with is your understanding on the term.
            4)no backhand bitch slap has been given
            5)yes i have never been good at differentiating verbs, nouns etc. but that has not stopped me from writing a kick ass honours thesis in economics.

  • If the Senkaku Islands belong to China then the moon belongs to America. Case closed.

    • fenqing basher

      Yep,

      But i am sure they already have a communist masterplan to claim the moon, since Chinese philosopher’s are writing about it for 4235 years.
      After that we will all have to pay for the darkness at night.
      If not we will all be penalized for not respecting Chinese feelings. Lol

      • Northerner

        ‘writing about it for 4235 years’

        Not only that. They put a rabbit on it.

    • red scarf

      But the Chinese would claim they first observed the moon back in 10,000,000 BC and pull out a map claiming that ancient Chinese astronomers saw it first.

      Satire aside the Japanese should try and be a little more Chinese, keep them in a dark jail with bare basic rights and only let them out when they have signed a statement saying they were trespassing on the island. Oh course I can this becoming an “Anti-Japanese” stand in China, but the Japanese should then make soulless, meaningless statements claiming “This people have hurt the feelings of modern day Japanese people, and that they are being process within the sovereign rights of Japanese law.”

      • fenqing basher

        Hahaha cool idea, when all is over japan would say all they require is that people respect Japanese law and order.
        Of course japan would not produce any written and or printed paragraph.

    • kw

      wankfest!
      kkk,basher and northerner
      you won’t see another show like this anywhere else

      • Northerner

        Not without educationally subnormal fodder like you to feed us, you won’t.

        • kw

          err..the wankfest has stop?
          i thought it just starting..
          oh well..

          • Risible

            Um well, you see the thing is, it’s weekend. Too many chinese women getting bored at the weekend, and they need real servicing. So, as per usual, it takes real men, meaning us foreigners, to keep chinese women satisfied. If you only heard what chinese women say about chinese men to us foreigners…

            Oh the wankfest will kick of in earnest after chinese men have had their early morning English lessons. To go home and find English teacher took wifey away for a few hours. That’s when the wankfest begins. All little erections saluting the flag, so to speak.

            KW, if this is the type of conversation that turns you on, then why not? But would it not be way better to be cool? You hate too much. That goes for all your countrymen. Learn to chill, and take criticism with a smile. Like ‘American Joe’ he’s off to lick his wounds, do you wish to head that way too? Or are you really one and the same. Dual personality..hmmm. ‘Shiteth-eth-on-the-braineth’ Look, scroll up and read my first comment. It may help you. Get ‘American Joe’ to assist with the baseball bat part.

            KW? What does that stand for? Kool Wanker? Just a thought..

          • kw

            good theory..
            keep it going guys..
            well i am inviting you guys to keep wanking..
            do it in packs..
            it’s fun..
            yah,maybe that’s what it stands for:)

          • linette

            ………..Too many chinese women getting bored at the weekend, and they need real servicing. So, as per usual, it takes real men, meaning us foreigners, to keep chinese women satisfied. If you only heard what chinese women say about chinese men to us foreigners………..

            Risible, stop acting like a loser. You are embarrassing your own people. I am sure 100% that the china women that sleep with you are all losers and whores who couldn’t land good looking decent Chinese men more like Jeremy lin, LinDan or sun yang type. There are so many poor quality china women all over the streets in China with low educations. They are probably making minimum wage working in the bank or selling cosmetics behind the counters. YOu think you can land a professional doctor or CEo chinese girl? Go to HK or singapore and you can’t even sit next to us. You can only hold doors for us or open our car doors for us. fxck off.

          • Dr SUN

            I don’t know about that linette my wife’s a Interventional Neuro radiologist, my lovers a college professor and my ernai is of course a business woman.
            #2 little wife we had to return to HK, she was so bitchy.

      • Risible

        And you won’t see this anywhere else but in china:

        http://hypercrypton.livejournal.com/1384100.html

        • fenqing basher

          Ahhh we just don’t understand Chinese culture, thats why we feel disturbed by these pictures.
          There is something wrong with us not the culture tolerating such a thing.

          In any case we shall not interfere into the internal affairs of….. blahhhblahhhhh
          So would you please remove your links?

        • Twind

          I think this is the work of an artist called Zhu Yu. Don’t think it’s actually real. These images have been around for a while. A lot of these things are urban legends.

          • david

            I heard of this person before too. I think people like him are extremely rare, at least among all the people I have met here in this country. As for stories regarding cannibalism, I would like to look at it with a critical eye. Reports like these usually have a mixture of truth, sensationalism and misinformation. It’s hard to say. Even traditionally, such practices are open to dispute and different interpretations. But I do believe the vast majority of Chinese don’t have such practices these days.

          • david

            So yeah, I am unsure about the extent of these sorts of things, the various differences and distinctions, both now or in the past. Moreover, if these practices did occur, how did most people receive them, both historically and now. I don’t really know.

        • Capt. WED

          that’s racist.

          It’s proven to be fake. It’s not a secret Chinese people eat babies. This is a old urban tale that you people used on Jews.

          Man you guys have one fucked up fascist culture. The End.

          • Risible

            Proven to be fake? Like most things in China? And by whom? It’s fake because you say it is? Provide the evidence.

            Funny how it is always fake when you get caught. There’s a BBC documentary, where your ‘artist’ demonstrates his sickness in front of the world. It may not have been aired in China, of course, but it was aired in the free world.

          • Capt. WED

            what are you saying Risible? Of course it’s fake. If it’s real please list reputable sources saying that it’s a real practice.

          • Risible

            I have already provided links but you seem to be worryingly dismissive of cannibalism in your country. If you say it’s fake, prove it.

            http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/rights-so-divine/2012/may/10/chinese-cannibalism-infant-flesh-outrages-world/

          • Risible

            And, don’t mock the suffering the suffering that Jewish society has already been through. You know little to nothing of that horror.

          • Capt. WED

            All I know is it’s not not the norm where I’m from. I don’t know about about other parts of China. Blame me for every sick thing that people in China do. And still no proof that this is something practiced commonly by Chinese people. Either way you can label me as denying it or whatever I don’t really care. I think it’s sick. None I know does this.

            Okay my bad I assumed you meant this is some sort common practice. Is it common? Not that I know of.

          • Capt. WED

            If you find someone, something objectionable, then stop fucking with that person. It’s very simple.

          • Capt. WED

            LOL. I’m eating my words. I’m sorry I called you a racist & a facscist in this case. I was wrong.

            Like I said, it’s up to you do disengage from a sicko person. Of course you can always rage online, no one is stopping you.

          • Risible

            “commonly practiced” ok so we have arrived at some form of acceptance. No one here has accused you, or those you know of gorging on babies. That’s a little defensive no? How would you know in any case if your friends tuck into a fetus now and again? You don’t exactly expect a dinner invitation do you? “Oh, we are having kids over for dinner” Also, I didn’t say it was common either. But it DOES happen. In china.

            Where did you get the impression of rage? I’m chillaxing bro’. I suggest the same for you.

          • Risible

            I didn’t take the racist comment personally, actually I thought it was aimed at Fennqing Basher. But you have adopted a conciliatory tone and that is cool. But, make sure it is only your words you eat:-)

          • david

            I just glanced at some of these Chinese internet comments regarding the story you posted. People pretty much condemned such a practice. So I think if the story is totally true, it is certainly only practiced by a small number of Chinese out there. But yeah it is certainly possible such a practice exists in this country, but as you said, it is not common. I think the majority of the Chinese population would also not accept this kind of practice.

            Peace.

          • david

            Forgot to add that some net citizens have expressed skepticism toward the story as well. Either way, I get what you are saying. Peace.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Risible, it is pointless to argue with Capt Wed, he is only a teenager and is just growing up and learning the ways of the world.

            But the baby eating thing? I was scared to go to the link. were there pictures? Please don’t tell me there are pictures?

            It’s kind of like Africans and the alleged, raping newborns and infants to get rid of AIDS. Is it true? Oh it sounds absolutely horrible if it is true. Sickening, stomach churning, vomit-licious. But is it an African thing? A tribal thing? A black thing? No, not at all. If it is indeed happening and not simply another “look at those blacks urban myth” thing… I would hate to paint the entire continient with one brush. Just as I hate to paint Chinese with the same brush. They are not so kind to my people in their country and if they were bold enough here in the states, I’m sure they’d try the same… but I’m a fair person, even to others who would step on my head, I try to keep honest.

            But I think what I’m trying to get at, by comparing mythsmakes me empathetic when I see chinese people or any other people having their asses handed to them by westerners. Capt Wed is like a wounded bird, and every time one of these insults play out it’s like riping another handful of his feathers until his confidence as a chinese dude is all but destroyed. I can feel the defeat in his tone. He doesn’t deserve my compassion at all, but he should perhaps not come here, as these topics are often painful for him.

          • Risible

            Nanny Hiccups, Thanks for that. David, thank you too, Sir. I mean, thank you for your wise insights. No, not a hint of sarcasm here. What you have both said is humbling to say the least.

            I have just deleted a lengthy reply to you both as it ended up highlighting personal experiences and i think it would be too much for this forum. Some of what is said here by myself, whiskercat, northerner, vince and the other crew, is not some form of hate campaign, we leave the hate to American Hoe i mean JOE and his crew:-)

            Believe me when i say this, even in the midst of all the sarcasm there still exists, some degree of empathy which is not deserved but given. I would love to say more to you both as what you have both said in your recent posts requires a deeper conversation than would be appropriate here. But let me say, that in the West, we may see fragments of racism. But you have seen nothing until you visit mainland china. Here, you are either chinese, or you are not.

            Again, this is not a reply to your very thought provoking comments. If there were some way in which we could get contact info i would gladly have that conversation.

            The question regarding eating babies, that has been confirmed to be by chinese friends from mainland china, in mainland china. Some admitted to it with great shame. I felt sorry for them. Some brushed it off with a comment on the lines of how good it is for health. Not common all over china though. It does happen in Guandong province however.

            Nanny, don’t look at those pics. In a way i am sorry i put them up, but at the same time, mainland chinese need to wake the fuck up and check themselves before they wreck themselves.

          • david

            Risible,

            Thank you for your kind words. I guess personal experiences in China tend to be very different from person to person. I myself had a fine time when I was there. Yes, it is true that a foreigner can’t really become Chinese, though that doesn’t really bother me (I have friends telling me that they experienced the same thing in other places as well). I wouldn’t take it personally though. At least among the foreigners I know (again just my experience), they tend to do fine in China. Many mainland Chinese do have a love/hate relationship with foreigners especially Westerners. They also have a somewhat similar attitude towards non-mainland Chinese as well. As for cannibalism, it’s a complex issue. Indeed, most of these stories seem to have come out of Guangdong, given the reputation of the people there, who are known to eat all kinds of exotic things (some have said the reputation has been exaggerated). But I think given this is China, it’s hard to know what is true and what is not true. That’s why I try my best to be skeptical toward things here. Anyway, thanks again for your message.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            Risible, you shoudl share your experience, I am very curious about these things and would love to hear them. I cannot imagine how horrible it is, considering even on this web site and one other, I have had a few chinese males refer to me in some extremely nasty racial epithets. So they have lost my good esteem big time. I had one brit (of Chinese heritage) craft a very nasty email to me regarding his hatred in an email, it a very personal nasty way. Now, his comments weren’t directed to me but to my peeps, and I removed contact from him and didn’t look back. So I know if it is bad like this online, I cannot imagine how horrible they are in the comfort and security of their own country. The women I have met in life and talked to even here are all very decent people and my opinion of them has not changed. But I am curious about these things, as I prepare my travels. Still looking for a place somewhere in this world.

            I need my own country where i can build my own civilization lol

          • linette

            ………………ancient Chinese considered ingestion of firstborns, aborted fetuses and placentas as part of a mother’s flesh. An unborn child has no personhood of his or her own. Hence, mothers believed that they were theirs to reabsorb to create a new, healthier baby. This type of belief is common in societies practicing cannibalistic infanticide…………

            China people who believe this is because of lack of education.
            Many China people still don’t have access to good education. This is why they believe in superstition and old myths. China needs to fix their public school system to make it accessible for all China people. Then this kind of belief will stop.

          • david

            linette,

            You know, I am not sure the information in that article is totally correct. I have been studying Chinese history for a while now, while cannibalism has happened in the past, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of the practice of eating firstborns in premodern China. If it did occur, it was definitely not something that was approved by traditional values. As for the aborted fetuses, I have my doubts too. Sure some ignorant peasants might have believed these things, but even there I have doubts it was accepted by the great majority, especially among the elite. Again, the article is talking about ancient China in regard to these specific practices.

          • anon

            For the love of God, the baby fetus soup is fake.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Yu_(artist)

            The baby fetus pills was also a sensationalized story heavy on hearsay and speculation and light on actual verifiable evidence. It was flogged to death months ago. Do a search for what exatly was reported by Korean customs authorities and see if you can follow how quickly human bio-matter became babies and everyone pointing to each other’s reports without any of them actually doing any investigative reporting. The pills contained human placenta. It isn’t a common practice whatsoever but not unheard of from various societies around the world, including China, where folk medicine still holds sway over some people.

            Critical thinking skills seem to be in short supply, as is the ability to investigate despite the wealth of tools we have our fingertips. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

            I can’t believe your evidence was a Livejournal blog and a private blog that goes by the name of “Rights So Divine” that introduces itself with: “Everyone has the divine rights as human beings because they were created in the image of God.”

          • Lakeman

            some truth here, some false, the news article here is not complete correct, in my opinion.

          • Lakeman

            yeah the part about the mother’s belief, I’ve never heard it before, don’t think its true.

        • Risible

          @Linette. Temper, temper! Did i touch a nerve?;-) (no pun intended) You Do seem a little frustrated actually..

          Also you seem to have used the 36th Stratagem, discovered in 1978 in a little known section of Sun Tzu’s Art of War termed “When faced with difficult question, deflect, ignore, and throw toys out of pram”

          Regarding your comment on foreigners only getting ugly girls and not getting those CEO ‘GIRLS’, well firstly, I have never met a CEO girl. They are mostly women and rather aged. In china particularly, they are rather crusty also. No, I got fed up of chinese girls, they scream too much in bed. I prefer western girls, who have personalities as well as good looks.

          And those of foreigners who taught or are teaching in china, it is mostly the ‘educated class chinese ladies’ that that are still trying to learn english and can afford to do so that end up in the beds of these foreigners. Meanwhile, their husbands are left to either grab a ugly girl from the streets, or from those cosmetics booths your mentioned earlier. This may be an ugly truth for you but, it is a fact.

          And finally, on a personal level, I don’t find mainland chinese girls at all appealing. At any level. They lack personality, have a dim view of the world in general, and think owning a Audi as to being a barometer of success whereas, in Britain, or America, both men and women are independent who drive their own cars, not their boyfriend’s father’s car. Audi’s are what you drive when you get your first weekend job at macdonalds as a teenager. Later, after graduation, getting a real job, you buy a porcshe or something along the same lines.

          For example, I met a young chinese guy in shanghai. Driving a ferarri. I commented that he drives a nice car and asked if it was his. He replied in the affirmative to which I further questioned as to whether it was HIS or his father’s car. He said it was his, but his father paid for it, as he girlfriend wouldn’t marry him had he not badgered his father to buy the car and the apartment.

          I asked him if it would not be more logical for his girlfriend to have become his father’s mistress? I mean, the man paid for it, what does he get out of the arrangement? And what did the son do in all of this? Zilch.

          Women in western countries, are independent. And we like them for this. And these women, rarely date a man for whom mummy and daddy buy little or big toys. Women in the west have substance, and are strong. That you see, is a huge turn-on.

          I don’t know where you got the idea of westerners opening doors for you. Ok, maybe we men, do that for the ladies in general. Unlike your average chinese guy that doesn’t even stand in the subway to give a lady a seat. Even if she’s pregnant.

          You seem to use the ‘f’ word a lot. Do you like that word? Does it turn you on? I understand your frustration. You need a real man but hate foreigners. Your chinese men just cannot please you physically. Next time, give me a call. Maybe over a dark coffee? You need something hot and black inside you.

          • linette

            risible, hahaha…you are such a loser. I won’t bother with you. My only advice to you is stop belittling and taking advantage of those dumb uneducated China women….you know the ones you hang out with. The types that’s more like your level in terms of educational background. They are clueless about westerners. They are ignorant when it comes to dealing with western cultures and the western gov’t.
            As for those China men, being rich driving audi don’t mean they are educated and worldly neither. There are so many rich peasants communist mentality China Chinese inside China.

            But of course if foreigners like you don’t hang out with the ugly minimum wage type china women, like who can you hang out with? Like Li bing bing type? Li bing bing type wants to hang out with Raymond lam type. Not your type. hahhaa…

            You need to get out more. Go live in Hong kong or Singapore for a while. You will learn something.
            The Hk men don’t have problem opening doors and giving seats to women or elderly. No need for your to worry.

          • Linette. Use reverse psychology. Opposite races. Opposite sexes. Big black penis. Deep, full breadth.

            Risible will create an unplanned pregnancy soon. Maybe we’ll see the story here on CS as he refuses to commit…?

            You, I and others are not shocked by promiscuity but it’s SOOOOO passe…!

          • Risible

            @northerner, ROFL!!!! I thought i was done on this posting, had to return to address simon and his issues. I think however, linette and i are on our way to making peace. Right linette?

          • Nanny Hiccups

            People still scream in bed? I thought that was in style in the 1980s. I don’t believe you. Screaming in bed is so corny. But then, I’ve never had a real man so…

          • A GUY

            AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







            -Sry I was just in bed with RISIBLE and he is not a gentle lover. It’s called astroglide dick.

          • Risible

            @Guy, or gay,

            I think you meant Capt. Wed. as I do not swing that way. Not homophobic, but keep your attentions to capt wed, american joe and his team.

          • A GUY

            No i’m sure it was you. Remember I am a CEO guy that was masquerading as a cosmetic counter girl during the day and working at a “barber shop” at night.

    • Chunghwa

      What are you talking about? The moon belongs to the Lunarian Empire, where Kaguya-sama escaped from prior to becoming the protagonist in “The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter”!

      Aww man, gonna go play some Imperishable Night now.

    • And America belongs to the Indians right???

      • mr. wiener

        My goodness gracious sir, I am thinking you are being confused by another group of peoples in the Americas.

      • Risible

        In which case, you should be calling yourself Indian Joe.

        • Risible

          Mr. Weiner, that comment was directed at the wannabe American.

          • mr. wiener

            I’m good.

    • linette

      …………If the Senkaku Islands belong to China then the moon belongs to America. Case closed………….

      hahahaha…KKK, I want to kick your ass.

      • Risible

        Are you sure you didn’t mean to say ‘kiss your ass’?

  • Dr SUN

    Thanks for finally this Fauna.

    I assume Jin, Cloe, Hongjian, asdf, have enlisted into the PLA ready for the invasion of Japan and the much expected pay back “the rape of Tokyo”

    • Northerner

      “the rape of Tokyo”

      What fools, they’ll be up against one of the most sophisticated and well equipped sex armies in the world.

      Without adequate personal hygiene and advanced multifunction toys they won’t be coming back.

      • Dr SUN

        Why would they want to ?

        pretty scary thought for Chinese woman though, to compete sexually with Japanese.

        • Northerner

          ‘Over to our correspondent in Tokyo.’

          ‘Thanks Dr Sun.’

          *rapid, excited speech*

          ‘The feeling on the ground here is that this isn’t going to be a conflict of attrition that many military observers thought it would be.’

          ‘The Japanese now seem to hold all the cards; advanced gadgetry, formidable stock piles of lubricants and lotions, nice costumes, unparalleled personal hygiene and grooming and of course technical knowhow that is simply decades, if not centuries, ahead of the Chinese.’

          ‘Many feel that to place their faith in body odour, masses of pubic hair and badly stone-washed jeans can only mean this conflict will end quickly and decisively for the People’s Liberation Army.’

          *places hand to earpiece*

          ‘Back to the studio, where we’ve just heard breaking news that Taipei has been retaken by an advanced column of the Kansai Prefectural High School Girl’s Battalion, made up of the Sailor Moon and Stewardess Regiments.’

          ‘Dr Sun?’

          • GodsHammer

            “The ever tough Shanghai BJ Battalion and the DongGuan Elite Corps are in a real scramble to regroup after being being caught without and snorkels this morning by the Kanegawa ‘Shiofuki’ Unit. “

        • Risible

          Yes that’s true, very scary. The thought of having to shower, shave that bush under the armpits. Very frightening…

      • linette

        ………..the rape of Tokyo……………

        You guys are hopeless. Beyond help…

  • Jose

    Just like with the Spratley’s, all this commotion and posturing for the potential of offshore oil and natural gas reserves. If anything will spark WW3 it’ll probably be one of these disputes boiling over…

    • Jose It’ll be like Hunt for Red October if a PLA(N) sub starts off patrolling the Spratlys, but decides to defect to the US. Only difference is that the Chinese skipper will be genetically unable to grow a decent skippery beard.

    • Dr SUN

      The CPC will never start a war, their way too busy stealing and laundering as much money as they possibly can to the countries they would make war with.

      It’s just a patriotic / nationalistic show for the masses.

  • Garbo

    When China was closed to the world the world went on without it. It’s no one’s fault but China. If they can’t respect the territories and boundaries set up , too bad. No one forced China to close it’s doors.

    • david

      This is a problem that is actually quite complicated, with disputes over many issues such as the natural resources, WWII, treaties between nations, role of the US and the Chinese civil war…etc. I don’t think we can say it’s the fault of one specific party. Though it does seem Japan has the upperhand in this dispute.

  • YaoGalau

    I’m wondering whether the Diayou aka Senkaku event is somehow related to Dokdo aka Takeshima event since it’s happened one after another..
    I imagine there was a complicated political plot behind this two events and curious to knowing what’s the “treasury prize” to be achieved..
    My imagination is going wild,wkwk!

  • YaoGalau

    I’m wondering whether the Diayou aka Senkaku event is somehow related to Dokdo aka Takeshima event since it’s happened one after another..
    I imagine there was a complicated political plot behind this two events and curious to knowing what’s the “treasury prize” to be achieved..
    My imagination is going wild,wkwk!

  • I hope this is a fine example why HK should not have National Education (China’s version) as part of mandatory curriculum for primary and secondary school students.

    The bunch of HK and Taiwanese thugs who had no better argument for their existence than to hot-headly tow their supposed patriotism to the motherland, to the shores of disputed territories off the South China Sea. Ofcourse this is a diplomatic quagmire to be discussed and resolved (whenever that will be) at high levels, and not by a bunch of foul mouthed and uneducated hooligans who look and behave as they they belong in skirmishes with their neighbours at the estate. Just because HK is now part of China, some HKers feel obliged to send out their resounding support and help ‘tackle’ some of mainland China’s diplomatic problems. I am sure those in Beijing who are probably less naive, are just having a good laugh at the HK and Taiwanese bunch of fools………Haven’ t those guys have better and more constructive things to do with their lives?

  • Chinese icebreaker crosses Arctic Ocean
    http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Chinese+icebreaker+crosses+Arctic+Ocean/7110681/story.html

    Lets hope they didn’t add any landmarks to their map! hahaha!

    • Risible

      But they must have left a trail of garbage all the way back. Oh and the snot streaks.

  • david

    Same old, same old. Activists from Hong Kong and Taiwan have been protesting against the Japanese over this since the early 70’s. Not news anymore. For those of you who are interested in a long treatment on the topic:

    http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/4085/1/thesis_fulltext.pdf

    So much is in dispute, whether the island is included in certain treaties or not, even some of the treaties are not recognized by all parties (PRC does not recognize the San Franscico treaty, and I don’t think ROC atteneded that meeting either). Also a lot of cold politics with US involvement.

    • tai wai

      For those of you who are interested in a long treatment on the topic:

      400 pages? Egads. Oh, here we go.

      Final Conclusion

      To sum up, although sticking to the mere textual interpretation, a clear resolution cannot be presented. Departing from the single textual interpretation it is admissible, but it is by no means mandatory, to attribute the islands to be part of the cession treaty. The islands were probably too minor to be expressly mentioned.

      When using the contextual approach and the principle of good faith there cannot be any other conclusion than that the Japanese historically considered that they had acquired the islands by virtue of the debatable 1895 treaty. This point of view is backed by the auxiliary means of interpretation. All in all this must lead to the conclusion that the Diaoyu / Senkaku Islands were meant to be part of the Treaty of Shimonoseki.

      • david

        Actually that is not the final conclusion of the document. That treaty you refer to was signed in 1895 and abolished after WWII. The author also mentions that for a while now, the Japanese does not view the island to be a part of the treaty, which is where things get complicated.

        As for the author’s own view here is one;

        “The author agrees that the Japanese snatched the islands in 1895, but he contends that the de jure sovereignty was returned to the Chinese by 1952. The Chinese / Taiwanese are thus the de jure sovereign of the disputed islands since 1952. The Chinese regained the title of sovereignty in this year.”

        And

        “As aforementioned, under international law the ownership is not only about “rightful or wrongful” possession. It must be remembered that the permanent effective territorial control is another key factor in determining the ownership of islands. Japan has exercised full political, legal and administrative control over the islands since 1972 and some nominal control between 1952-1972. The legal and factual sovereignty of the islands will remain split between the parties of the conflict.”

        So it appears according to him, there is a split between de jure and de facto ownership. That seems to be where the problem is now.

  • Strangerland

    I was hoping people would someday work together as one, regardless where they come from and who they are- man/woman, white/black/yellow, hetero/lgbt, christian/buddhist/moslem/whatever else. I know, it’s idealist vision, a dream that seems so faraway today. But I thought it’d be nice if we all just see each other as family- for we all are living on the same planet.
    What I see since the turn of the century is grim prediction of WWIII, and I can’t help but feel sorry for the kids today or who are borned today or will be borned in the near future, for they would be the one who meet on the battlefield and fight each other to settle(impermanently in some cases) old disputes between their elders. And I somehow suspect this is how those land disputes between nation would be decided- through bloods and fire.
    I maybe a dreamer- but I’m sure I’m not the only one in the world who has this hope. I’m sure there are people like me who lives on clutching on that hope- however idealist, unrealistic, impossible or even naive it is. Someday humans would be just humans, without the whole dividing lines and boxes. Peace for everyone here.

    • Risible

      Strangerland, thanks for that. Yes it is a dream. But a better dream than those who dream of nuking others.

  • JC

    China = all talk and no action.
    That’s why foreigners treat you like shit.

  • Cleo
  • xiaohouzi

    Maybe the story is all wrong and they just got busted for littering the island with cigarette butts and Chinese flags.

    • Rick Gigahertz

      proof positive that it is Japanese territory as littering is perfectly legal and acceptable on Chinese territory…

  • bert

    After they plant their flag I’d like to see them live there without outside help for about 2 months. The place would have trash all over and there wouldn’t be a rock without snot on it.

    • Northerner

      Applause.

    • Rick Gigahertz

      so true!

    • Risible

      bert +1 Vuvuzella!

  • pokosan

    Dear China,

    Dont send sitty people to the senkaku islands again and again.
    Everytime you do, we japanese have to pay extra taxes to give these sitties back to china!!!

    • linette

      ……..we japanese have to pay extra taxes……………

      yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

      You don’t want to pay extra taxes tell your gov’t to leave diaoyu. Give it back.
      The activists will be back next year again with their flags. ;)

    • C84

      What is “Senkaku Islands” and what is “sitty?” I only know of Diaoyu Islands.

    • vince

      Sheesh you guys sound like preschool kids, ‘it’s mine’, ‘no it’s mine, give it back’, give it a frigging rest ffs

      • Risible

        I have a solution. Give the islands to American Joe, Jin and Hongjiao. They can ‘rock’ there without getting photographed. And put the flagpole to some use.

        • Dr SUN

          cool idea, American Joke, asdf, Jin can breed cloe and Honjian and they happily return to 1950’s and have a happy little commune of their own.

          • vince

            @Risible @Dr SUN I think you guys just hit upon a gem of an idea :D

          • Risible

            Thanks Vince! But where are those characters? They haven’t been around for a bit. Oh wait, maybe they took the advice and took off!

  • kodi

    I can see how ownership of these islands can be ambiguous. Since the international law of the sea cannot clearly decide over ownership of these islands I have a few ideas to settle the dispute…..

    1) Let Taiwan have them since they are closer to Taiwan than any other country.

    2) Let China and Japan flip a coin for ownership

    3) Give China the islands

    4) Give Japan the islands

    5) To to war over them

    6) Share rights to the islands

    The resort to historical claims to the islands is pretty irrelevant considering the international politics of today. Diplomacy is probably the best answer, therefor both of these weak countries should stop arguing like little whiney babies. If it is the oil they want then they should simply sign a joint energy deal in order to concede equally to each other over the matter. Its not like mutinational oil companies wont be used in order to extract the oil anyways. Since their hands are tied and neither wants to kill the other over the matter then agree to make money together instead of neither making any money wasting time arguing over the stupid rocks. Honestly I think Taiwan could make a claim to the islands with US backing and enforce sovereignty over the islands much better then both China and Japan. Thereafter the US would be left to deal with China and Japan’s childish fits and diplomatic pressures thereafter. Any which way to look at it its a diplomatic nightmare, so they should just share the rocks and be done with it.

  • Rick Gigahertz

    Hello China – if those ‘islands’ are really yours then STOP TALKING AND DO SOMETHING! All the time, talk, talk, talk. The nips are on ‘your’ islands right now – go and arrest them. Ha Ha Ha!

  • El Puma R.

    God, WTF? please tell these people there are more important things to care about than a few shitty islands.

    • Dr SUN

      yes there is, China’s Gu Kailai gets suspended death sentence for the MURDER of the Brit, she escaped the bullet, how predictable.

  • Garbo

    Closing it’s doors was China’s prerogative. If it wasn’t open when treaties were being signed that’s China’s fault. Sorry China, the world went on without you. There is nothing to give back.

    • Nanny Hiccups

      Be glad china closed it’s door. Third world countries that open its doors to westerners end up like countries in Africa. Raped, pillaged, and forgotten.

  • White europeans were the firstto settle Western China. Therefore Western China is an indesputable part of the Western! ;o)

    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/todaysfeatures/2005/April/todaysfeatures_April37.xml&section=todaysfeatures

    • Dr SUN

      Fish “n” chips, Cornish pastie in Kunming I can’t wait

  • Capt. WED

    This website is not that good for reasons that:

    -It’s not a news site.
    People like to comment on the comment. If this were a news site then you would comment directly in the comment section. That’s fine because you’re adding your viewpoint to the story. What is this website? Commenting on RANDOM comments from 8 million miles away. This is bullshit.

    -misleading because it doesn’t represent other viewpoints
    Beside commenting on comments without any context (context of where the comment originated) this website does not rep. many viewpoints, usually only one or two viewpoints are represented. If this were a news site that would be okay. But it’s not. It’s a site for people to comment on the comment disconnected from the original source. It’s fuckin stupid.

    WITH that said, it’s okay for you to comment here. Just know it’s all bullshit.

    Now onto the story of the post:

    IT’S MISSING RATIONAL VIEWPOINTS!

    I’m going to paraphrase someone’s view on a debate I saw on t.v:

    Shit I forgot… basically the professor (some old person) thinks escalation is not a win-win situation for anyone. We must think foremost the interest of the public, and escalation is not it. Chinese shouldn’t accord this dispute as a China sovereign issue. Any reference to WWII is strawman. Win-Win is solving the dispute with a business oriented solution. PEACE is in the interest of the public.

    This was very rational response.

    So it just goes to show this website most of the time DOES NOT represent a lot of different views. It’s very misleading. It’s bullshit for people on here to be negative on all Chinese people just because of the stupid views (limited) represented on this website. It doesn’t represent other viewpoints.

    Chinese are not all nationalists.

    Hmm. Right. The fact of the matter is Japan has physical control of the island. THE ONLY WAY to get it back is through escalation and eventually through MILITARY FORCE. Japan is not just gonna give it back to you. So the rational thing to do is to try to solve it through business means, and not treating it as a sovereignty issue. There is no need for escalation.

    • Capt. WED

      btw since Japan has control of the island, then they must deal with this kind of thing. It’s the price they have to pay.

      • Capt. WED

        why are these people so prejudice?

        I don’t know.

    • kodi

      I agree with your comment about this site. I sure wish we could comment directly and not have our stuff censored….. Perhaps with a translation mediator so we could comment directly on Weibo. Some of us can read and write Chinese ok, but an argument or an intelligent responsive dialogue with bloggers in China would be a feat for many westerners. Hmmmmmmm……..

      I think the viewpoints of people on this site matter little with reference to the issues being discussed. They matter less in respect to the viewpoints expressed by Chinese netizens because Chinese are the ones who are directly affected by the viewpoints of their fellow countrymen and women.

      Subjective viewpoints and generalizations about the Chinese may not be universal, but we can argue that these generalizations did not simply fall out of the sky. They have to come from somewhere. For example, in the case of Jewish people, did everyone just wake up one day and start making up rumors about the entire Jewish race? Does everyone in the world hear about the horrors of doing business in China or dealing with Chinese people as part of some international conspiracy against the Chinese? The human mind is designed to use limited information we are provided with in order to make the best decision possible in any given situation regardless of if it has anything to do with a race, nation, religion, or a hand in texas holdem, so sorry if it hurts people’s feelings when some of the generalizations are made about others, but people must survive and who really cares about the feelings of others when what is at stake here is safety, fortune, or competition?

      If you are walking down a forest path known for its bears and you hear a rustle in the bushes and it sounds like whatever is moving could be pretty big do you stick around to find out what it is? It could be a paper bag being blown by the wind, it could be a porcupine, or even a harmless little rabbit, do you stick around to find out? Probably not! Because you know there may or may not be bears along this path you infer that the noise is a bear and get out of there because you are using limited information to make the best decision in order to preserve your life.

      Making inferences based on limited information is an every day thing for people everywhere.

      • Scott

        “Perhaps with a translation mediator so we could comment directly on Weibo.”

        Attending any Chinese website (I’ve attended forums on Chinese antiques, porcelains, and a translation website) is a bitter experience. After two or three weeks the Chinese will discover that you are not as they finally supposed from Taiwan or Hong Kong but a real foreigner, and within two or three days you will get so much thrown at you that you have no choice but to quit in disgust. My translations into English and some of the English into Chinese were considered top-rate, but when I admitted my English was good because I was American born and raised, and not an overseas Chinese but a real foreigner, I was simply driven out. My knowledge and identification of porcelains was accepted until I explained the English equivalents of terms in Chinese, and that also brought the roof down. Here, too, Chinese assume a foreigner knows nothing about China, has no experience of living in China, cannot speak or write Chinese, and resort to ridicule when proven otherwise (right, Linette? LOL again Capt. WED?) .

        No, engaging the Chinese on internet forums is worse than engaging persons on Yahoo Comments, worse because Chinese will not accept an anonymous foreigner making comment on anything Chinese.

        • kodi

          Haha, yeah I know what you mean. I guess they are little ethnocentric in that regard. Amazed when a foreigner can speak and read Chinese etc….. Many people hold the opinion that a foreigner has no right to an opinion on Chinese matters. I guess that is in large part due to many Chinese not even having a right to an opinion until recently. This is a place where your opinion can get you killed. I have found that one must tread lightly when debating with the Chinese. I naturally don’t go around offending people, but have found the Chinese especially sensitive about anything Chinese as if an opinion is a sweeping generalization about every Chinese person or even everything Chinese. The idea that everything in China is connected and everyone who is not Chinese is “foreign” stems from their ethnocentric view of China as the center of the universe. Im sure they will get it soon enough.

          I have learned not to be so critical of Chinese at least in public because that is a good way to get black listed. I have had people try to get me deported because of something I said in a business meeting. We were meeting with public security bureau officials and we were discussing the transfer of some high tech riot control equipment and while discussing the rights to the technology they smugly suggested that we let them “try it out” beforehand to which I laughingly replied,

          “Who in their right mind would give you any technology to try before signing a contract? Do you follow the news? Do you know anything about patent or international business practices? This sounds like a good way to get the technology for free. No one will ever be stupid enough to simply give you their technology to try before having a contract and if they are then it isn’t going to be us. Any other ideas?”

          They then resorted to smiling “What they usually do when they are offended”, and asked a few more questions after realizing I was not as stupid as they thought. We ended the meeting and soon thereafter I heard from a friend of a friend that one of the guys was trying to find a channel to have me deported because he was deeply offended that I “Hated Chinese people.” So somehow our negotiation and my balking at their request for me to allow them to steal our technology without paying a cent and without a contract was seen as “Hate toward Chinese people.”

          Sensitive sensitive sensitive. I have never met more spineless business men than I have here.

  • Neuchy

    Any suggestions as to what this smoke-screen is designed to hide? Head-line news here in Europe for some inexplicable reason.

    • Dr SUN

      Chinese armed forces are massing over 200,000 troops and the bulk of their navy on Hainan, to take all the disputed south China sea Islands.

      My guess they hope to take control / invade before the Philipinnes get their new warships from Italy.

      • Risible

        200,000 peasants awaiting their fate as cannon fodder. Hope THEY can swim. The BULK of the chinese navy? You mean those paddle boats you call ships? Ah yes, your pride and joy, that ‘new’ piece of 25 year old junk you bought from ukraine that we spoke about earlier? Take control? They won’t be able to control their bladders when they face the American fleet which is parked around the corner. Once the American navy has had it’s way with your peasants, the chinese ladies in hainan have some skirt lifting to do. And willingly.

        • Dr SUN

          Not sure that even the Americans are that stupid to get involved (directly) in the sinking of the Chinese Navy over this, or the loss of thousands of lives on both sides as they economically and politically don’t have the gonads for it and can’t afford it.

          Also I’m not sure how happy even Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam will be the Americans back running the show in Asia.

          • Risible

            You misunderstand. America doesn’t need to, as you mentioned, directly get involved. They just need to sail around the corner and wave cheerfully. This would induce such a state of panic on the chinese paddle boats that they would capsize in any case.

            I’m not certain as to the level of endorphins currently surging in other asian states but, one thing IS certain, and that is, they would rather have America around than chinese peasants soiling the area.

            China could have, if it had played nice with it’s neighbours, had avoided America returning to the area. But no, china’s own bullying tactics were the driving force behind America’s return to the region. And in force.

            Now they American navy is around, they might not want to leave without some action.

            Oh and ‘loss of thousands of lives’? If you are so concerned about getting yourselves pasted, then back off and be nice to your neighbours. Simple. No?

          • Dr SUN

            Risable, I hope it doesn’t end this for you again, but I suspect it will.

          • Risible

            Since you were the one to initiate talk of invasions, it may be well worthwhile recalling this:

            http://www.gendercide.org/case_nanking.html

            Less of the invasions. That goes for any country who may be feeling the urge.

          • Northerner

            ‘getting yourselves pasted’

            I haven’t heard that expression in a while.

            Excellent choice of words.

          • C84

            The problem is that Japan has an inflated sense of self-importance because 1) they used to be the dominant power in the Far East with their empire and 2) also their current military alliance with the U.S. This is why they have nasty territorial disputes with three different countries and are completely unyielding on ever admitting any weakness or wrongdoing. Eventually, the American empire is going to fall (as all empires have, except probably the fall is going to be an implosion due to internal factors). When it does, Japan will be surrounded by all these countries that hate it vehemently, and no one to protect it but itself. Notice that the U.S. does not get involved in any of Japan’s territorial disputes – the Japanese deal with those headaches on their own, as its neighbors all take turns pissing Japan off. The U.S. doesn’t really care about its “allies” in which it has its bases. They’re only there for their own political goals and ambitions, which is to ensure their dominance and importance in the world. Deep down inside, the U.S. is probably gloating because of all the territorial disputes and tension in East Asia, as it makes their subservient “allies” ever more dependent on their US military alliances due to their fear of the unknown, their neighbors, and the regional tension.

      • Risible
        • Capt. WED

          We know we’re ugly.
          We know we’ve got a “fascist” culture.
          Please invade and give us freedom!

          The End.

          • Risible

            Ok cool, I’ll let inform the japanese as to your request.

        • tai wai

          You know, I think I’ll rent a boat and go over to the islands. Plant an American flag.

          For the lulz.

          • kodi

            Im down for that idea! That what initially thought of when I was reading all this garbage about the disputed islands…….. Why not just play nicely?

            “American empire will fall?” Please someone define “American Empire”. If you mean pop culture that everyone around the world tries to mimic, hollywood movies, which everyone around the world tries to equal, American products that everyone around the world tries to copy, American technology that everyone around the world hopes to obtain, American lifestyle that everyone around the world wants to experience, American democratic system that most people wish they could benefit from, and the American military that all other militaries respect, then I think the statement that the “American Empire will fall” is highly unlikely to happen. However, if you mean America will loss physically occupied areas abroad then that is slightly more believable.

            The American empire is not comprised of physically occupied land, but rather in the minds of people all over the world. Other governments benefit from being allied with the United States and the ones who don’t are either too weak to do anything about it or they are unable to police their own countries, which results in their inability to challenge America on any front. They keep sending students to the United States in hopes of unlocking the secrets to America’s success. However, America’s secret to success is its ideology and it’s people (sometimes the attraction of great people from all over the world who do not have the patience to wait for their country to get better), not some unobtainable secret like the fountain of youth.

            I do not like the bad about America, but I definitely know how good we have it.

  • ship of fools

    • Risible

      Thanks Northerner! I was actually thinking of another expression when i wrote the comment but then, i thought that the mainlanders might start bawling and run under their mothers’ aprons.

      Any word from the islands? It seems that a group of japanese politicians have landed there. Careful guys, Jin, American Joe AND hongjao are running loose around those ends…

      UP those ends actually.

      • Northerner

        General Kwik Wank and his side-kick ‘American Joe’ who looks like a Chinese version of Idi Amin made off together on an inflatable banana at first sight of the Hinomaru.

        Hongjao slipped on snot trying to escape and is believed drown.

        • Risible

          Just a test comment, been blocked from the site all day. Do you think I may have offended someone? :-)

          • Northerner

            perhaps about 1,344,130,000 give or take

          • Risible

            Northerner. Is that it? Ah man, so disappointed here! I was aiming for about 1.3 billion?

            Anyway, I’m getting bored on this post. Heading to the most recent headline, see you there and have a good day man!

  • Cleo

    Stop buying Japanese and German products if you have so much to complain about. I have Oppo multiregion dvd players, samsung tv and cellphones and an iphone and lenovo laptops! STOP buying Japanese goods.

    My other family members share a Japanese car that I don’t ride in and use a Brother fax machine which probably can see everything. Maybe you can come to my house and overturn their car.

    • Risible

      Is that all one gets to turn over if they ‘come’ to your house? American Joe, Jin etc may be interested..

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