Naked Woman Prevents Ambulance from Helping Crash Victims

Miss Zhang blocking the ambulance

From iFeng and Xinmin:

The Incident: After Causing Accident, Female Driver Strips Naked, Blocks Paramedics, and Wrestles Down Injured Little Girl

June 17th, in Shandong’s Linyi City Lanshan District, a mother and daughter pair were hit by a speeding car and sent flying, causing the death of the 4-year-old daughter and severely injuring the mother, who even after rescue is still in life-threatening condition.

After the accident, residents dialed 120 [the Chinese paramedics number]. When the ambulance arrived, something shocking happened…

The female driver responsible for the accident took off all her clothes, and blocked the ambulance from driving into the residential neighborhood to commence rescue.

The paramedics, being left no choice, could only get out of the ambulance and go in on foot, whereby they then carried the little girl to the ambulance.

At this time, the female driver responsible for the accident suddenly got up and yanked the little girl from within the ambulance down to the ground, preventing her from being taken to the hospital.

Victims’ Family: This is no accident, it’s intentional harm

Progress: The case has already been turned over to a criminal investigation team

Miss Zhang and Miss Wang are both residents of Linyi city’s Xiangxielidu residential community. Because they saw each others kids often, they had a loose acquaintance.

On June 17th around 10:00 am, the fates of the two violently collided, with tragedy emerging between the two.

Miss Zhang was speeding through in the residential community, but before she had driven very far, she crashed into Miss Wang and her daughter, sending them flying. Miss Wang is still in critical condition, and her daughter, only four years old, has already passed away.

In the midst of this tragedy is a mix of farces both shocking and bewildering.

After hitting the Wangs, Miss Zhang took off all her clothes, and shockingly impeded the paramedics from rescuing Miss Wang’s daughter, as if she had gone insane.

Yesterday [June 26th], a video of the incident went viral online, evoking hot debate, with Miss Zhang even being labeled a “Female Yao Jiaxin” in the video.

Reporters: Liang Geng, Xu Jie

Yesterday afternoon, reporters arrived in Linyi city Xiangxielidu residential community, where the aftermath of tragedy still lingers, and many residents are still talking about it. They brought the reporters to the site of the accident, a one-way street at the bottom of building that leads to the residential community exit, now without any visible bloodstains. Residents told the reporters, the driver responsible for the vehicle accident, Miss Zhang, was about 37 years old and the mother of two children. She lived in building 7, and the victims, Miss Wang and her daughter, lived in building 6. “They knew each other, because they’d often watch their children play outside the buildings.”

Miss Wang’s husband, Mr. Wang, told the reporters that the day of the accident, the family had planned on having Mr. Wang’s father over for Father’s Day. Because he had errands to run, Mr. Wang had Miss Wang go out to get groceries. “About 15 minutes before the accident, I had just called my wife,” said Mr. Wang. “She happily told me that she had just finished buying all the groceries, and I told her I would be back soon.” Seconds later he got another call from his wife’s phone, only this time his wife was not on the other end of the call.

Mr. Wang collected neighbor and witness accounts and evidence after the incident, and began to gradually understand what happened. He told the reporter, at the time, his wife had just finished buying groceries and was riding an electric scooter back with the daughter, while the son was riding a bicycle back with them, but just as they were about the reach their building, bad fortune struck. “The three of them were coming from the east and riding west. A speeding car came from the front and crashed into my wife’s scooter. My wife and daughter were both thrown from the vehicle. My daughter flew past two cars parked on the side of the road, and landed under another. The car responsible for the accident scraped several other parked cars, then stopped at the end of the road.”

A diagram of demonstrating how the crash took place

The residents told the reporter, they understood the situation more or less the same way. After the accident, people dialed 110 [the Chinese emergency number] and 120 for rescue. When the ambulance arrived, it sent the mother and daughter to a nearby hospital for medical attention. Unfortunately, Miss Wang’s four-year-old daughter died. Miss Wang herself had internal bleeding in her skull. She has been through surgery, but is still being treated in intensive care at the present. As of yesterday night, she was still in critical condition. “When I went to the hospital, saw my wife, and then saw my daughter, I was paralyzed and fell over.” Mr. Wang said he was dazed with grief at the time. “Everything was fine before, how could have this happened?”

The Video in Replay

The driver responsible prevents rescue naked, pulls the injured girl down out of the ambulance.

As the accident occurred, a property owner inside Xiangxielidu residential community filmed the entire rescue process on tape, then gave then victims’ family the footage. On the 24th, netizen “linyiyuanqing” uploaded the 5 minute and 17 second video to the internet.

As the video starts, about 10 people crowd around a light colored sedan. Beside the sedan lay a middle-aged woman. Underneath her is a car’s wheel. The crowd struggles to lift the car up, with city residents joining in at this time to help lift it up, and seconds later, a little girl wearing orange is carried out from under the car. Both of her eyes are closed, her two legs already unable to stand, and the left side of her face covered in blood.

A man and a paramedic run over, pick up the girl that was rescued from underneath the car and carry her over to the ambulance, putting her inside. Right at this time, the naked lady that had been blocking the ambulance gets up off the ground, pushes away the paramedics at the door, crawls into the ambulance, tries to carry the girl out, and in the struggle ends up falls out onto the ground with the little girl. This action makes the surrounding city residents gasp and yell in shock, “What is she doing?!” When the little girl was carried back into the ambulance, the naked woman again lies back down in front of the ambulance. But the moment vehicle begins to drive away, she gets back up yet again and throws herself toward the car, grabbing onto the ambulance’s front bumper. After the crowd pried her hands off, the ambulance backed away and leaves, while the naked woman again lies down in the same spot.

A Chiense paramedic carrying a stretcher running to go help the mother of a little girl injured in a traffic accident in Shandong where the woman who caused the accident subsquently lay naked in front of the ambulance to block its way.

A paramedic carrying a stretcher running to go help the mother of the injured girl.

A naked woman, the lady who caused the accident the ambulance is arriving to help with, blocks and obstructs the paramedics from giving aid.

When the ambulance was about to depart for the hospital, the woman responsible for the accident once again got up and held onto the ambulance's bumper, stopping the ambulance from leaving.

A naked woman, the lady who caused the accident the ambulance is arriving to help with, blocks and obstructs the paramedics from giving aid.

When the ambulance was about to depart for the hospital, the woman responsible for the accident once again got up and held onto the ambulance's bumper, stopping the ambulance from leaving.

Two vehicles and the debris of a scooter involved in a tragic vehicle accident in Shandong province of China.

Scene of the accident. Multiple vehicles in the residential community were hit.

Various Interpretations

Victims’ Family: Doesn’t accept the “accident” explanation.

“Why was she driving so fast? Some people said she had an argument at home at home and came out angry, but we have reason to suspect she simply wanted to hit someone, not targeting anyone in particular, simply to vent her anger,” Mr. Wang’s older brother told the reporter, that the Miss Zhang at the time was “intentionally driving fast.” Some residents had indicated that Miss Zhang looked all riled up when she came out of her home, saying “so infuriating!” and even couldn’t find her own car when she got downstairs. Because of these accounts, reporters went to Miss Zhang’s residence in building 7, but no one opened the door after knocking several times.

“Had she [Miss Zhang] not caused a ruckus, the kid might have had a chance to be saved,” says Miss Wang’s family. They think the farce that happened afterward [after the initial accident] is unforgivable. “There’s no way that was an unintentional mistake. The residents, people online, we all don’t think it was, and we’re awaiting a just outcome.”

Last night, reporters went to the hospital that dispatched the ambulance. They claimed the paramedics that went to help during the accident were not in, so they could not answer a lot. “It’s hard to predict what will happen in Miss Wang’s situation. But of course, the interruption has reduced her chance for survival.”

The Neighbors: She’s a college professor

Several residents from the neighborhood told the reporters that because they often brought their kids outside to play in the residential community, they’ve met each other, often chatted with each other, so in their view, Miss Zhang seemed “very normal.”

“We often watch our kids together, she’s really quite a good person, and had good character. She was particularly good to her kids, and never gossiped. She even gave my kid English learning materials. I would have never thought it’d be her.” At the same time, there were some residents who felt sorry for Miss Zhang. With her at the time both having trouble finding her car and then driving so fast, she must’ve been in a bad state of mind and that’s how this happened.

The person responsible for the accident, Miss Zhang, and the victims, the Wangs, were both homeowners at Linyi city Lanshan district’s Xiangxielidu residential community. One family lived in building 6, the other in building 7. Before the incident, both families knew each other, and often greeted each other in passing.

Mr. Wang’s older brother told reporters that according to the neighbors’ understanding, the person responsible Miss Zhang Yan works at the Shandong Advanced Medical Junior College’s Chinese Medicine Research Office, and is currently a lecturer for a freshman Chinese medicine course. “According to what we know, she’s taught medical psychology and psychiatry,” Miss Wang’s older brother to reporters.

Reporters contacted the Shandong Advanced Medical Junior College yesterday afternoon. Mr. Chen from the human resources department told reporters that there was indeed a teacher named “Zhang Yan” at the college, but the school had received no information as to whether or not their Zhang Yan is the same as the one involved in the accident.

Cartoon sketch of the "Female Yao Jiaxin" Incident

Lawyer’s Opinion: She could be suspected of murder.

Lawyer Li Jiandong of Beijing Yingke Law Firm (in Jinan) believes that causing a traffic accident is a type of unpremeditated crime, that comes from negligence, that reported case has already exceeded the bounds of what defines a traffic accident. Speeding in a residential community street alone should be dangerous driving [reckless driving].

“Not proactively trying to help someone, or obstructing help, has already in the criminal law been deemed indirect murder.” In response to the report of the instigator repeatedly thwarting the paramedics during the rescue, if it can be shown that the obstruction directly led to the death of the little girl, it can be deemed murder. If however the little girl was already dead before the obstruction, then it can only be deemed an aggravating circumstance upon the offense of dangerous driving.

City residents believe Miss Zhang’s behavior during the incident was either product of [temporary] insanity or faked insanity. Li Jiandong believes public security organs will make a determination. If Miss Zhang had a mental disorder at the time or has a dormant mental disorder that flared up, she would not be given a criminal sentence, and would only have to accept civil liability. If she did not have a mental disorder or was otherwise not mentally ill at the time, she would have to take the appropriate responsibility for her actions.

Comments from Youku:

hhhying:

She has to get the same sentence as Yao Jiaxin, otherwise it won’t appease the people’s fury! She wants to be naked so badly, then let her be shot dead naked!

easdxvxc:

What was she thinking at the time? Is there something wrong with her? The only proper thing to do in this type of situation is to actively take responsibility for your mistake, and immediately try remedying [the situation]. Do you think their family is going to forgive you after blocking the ambulance and preventing it from rescuing [the injured]? Isn’t it certain that you’re going to be ruined after this? Aren’t you going to feel the guilt for the rest of your life?

事事顺莉_5690:

She was blocking the ambulance to buy time! The reparations/compensation for crashing into someone and killing someone in a car crash are different! This child was still so young! She took off her clothes so: 1.) No one would touch her! 2.) Make it look like she was crazy. People these days! Their humanity has all been twisted!

广州难民甲:

Over 5,000 years of Chinese civilization degenerating to this day, why is Chinese people’s ugliness so prominent at this particular time, making people so deeply sad, angry, afraid, and ashamed???!!!!

依然逆风行:

Of all the people around, was there really no one who dared to do something about her? Is she still TM human?

xtthappy_0446:

I watched it, felt the lady was faking being crazy to evade responsibility.

zhen_可乐妞:

I saw a report in the newspaper. Just what could have caused a college professor who has her own family and child to cause this kind of harm to her neighbor? I wonder just how long she has been repressing it…

Comments from Sina Video:

-七-宗-罪-:

Is this any different than the Yao Jiaxin incident?

蝈宝1918:

Definitely pretending to be insane/mentally ill.

你我偶遇要惜缘:

This is murder, punish her harshly! angry emoticon

南天飘北雪: (replying to the above)

I don’t think she can be charged with murder, but she can be charged with manslaughter caused by grave misconduct/negligence, sentenced to life, so that she spends the rest of her days in prison.

江苏101游游客:

A lunatic.

风夜亦然:

Just TMD drag her out of the way! Why were the police so timid here?!…[referring to the police not wanting to move the lady because she was naked]

dz_木子水兽:

What kind of human nature is this? The people all around could have gone and pulled her away. This [blocking the ambulance, pulling the girl out of the ambulance] is simply murder.

  • Cool Matt

    Just make her another victim. Problem (kind of) solved.

    • Interested

      Laowai victims cost even more. So make sure do this to all racist laowai traffic victims.

      Meanwhile they deserve this base all their racists comment.
      Racial realist=know race difference but do not generalize on to individual. For example, recognizing obama’s intellect but still know black people general low IQ.
      Racist=Treat people purely on racial identidy. Plenty of dum racist here who regard any thing Chinese as negative. Such behavior indicates pure racist mindset. Moop is one example. Moop is a pure racist. Yet he is too dumb to realize that.

      • mr. wiener

        I agreed with everything up until you used your post to push your feud with moop. He doesn’t suffer fools gladly , but he is not a pure racist as you have described here.
        Not just having a go at you because I like moop. I’ve read many of your posts in the past and thought them worthy of respect.

        • Little Wolf

          FUCK OFF WIENER!
          Sorry, just kidding :) Just wanted to pimp the donations for Lili thread and remind any forum members that I’ll be visiting her tomorrow and hope to meet other Chinasmackers there.

          Ok….back to the arguments

          • Patrick

            Sorry bud, can’t make it. Give the cute little fur ball my best.

        • donscarletti

          My solution, just ignore people’s nicknames and what they have posted in the past.

      • moop

        “Racial realist=know race difference but do not generalize on to individual. For example, recognizing obama’s intellect but still know black people general low IQ.”

        a good point. let’s take you for example. you are an unintelligent shit stain who is unable to form a cogent thought or form a clear point. all chinese aren’t this way, but you certainly are.

        • alibabarouge

          HAHA!

      • really

        What the fucking fuck are you trying to say? Your generalizations take no accountability for facts. Your racial realist ideal is just a modified generalization of racism. If, in fact, Black people have lower IQs statistically, you have to ask yourself what conditions they live in and grow up around socioeconomically. The ancient nature vs nurture debate arises with no clear winner.

        I’ve re-read your statement multiple times, yet I still have no idea what you are trying to convey with this message and how it relates to the article.

        • e_h_carr
          • really

            Great study, thanks for the information!

          • An anonymous boy…

            Oh look. Yet another study by J. Philippe Rushton is posted here. Let me explain it to you: it is simply racism masquerading as science.

            He is known to use wildly unscientific cherry picking. Not to mention, he has a strange inability to summarize other people’s work correctly when citing them.

            Let’s see… ~40% of the cited evidence in that paper are the authors’ own work, and none of the evidence proves the claims that genetics also factors into IQ. Best part is: scientists don’t actually group people by race (phenotype) genetically, but clines. So how can they prove their is a genetic component when the social classification of race by genetics doesn’t have any pattern?

          • elizabeth

            Can’t imagine why anyone would dedicate 30 years (?) of research just to compare intelligence levels based on race.

          • Justin

            J. Phillippe Rushton, head of the Pioneer Fund, which has been identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a white nationalist hate group.

            http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/pioneer-fund

            Here’s a good article in Slate about the issue

            http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_dilettante/2007/12/dissecting_the_iq_debate.html

        • SuperHappyCow

          What I originally intended to post: “And this is why you shouldn’t let niggers in your country. They either hit and run, or grab a birthday suit and block all ambulance traffic.

          FUCKING APES.”

          Lo’ and behold, actual racists beat me to the punch in the first thread.

          • elizabeth

            That doesn’t mean you are not racist. Your intended post is as racist as it gets.

      • elizabeth

        Agree with you except for the first two sentences. Don’t lower yourself to their level.

      • alibabarouge

        Perfect trolling my friend!

      • cc

        Laowai traffic victims are a minority or mainly non existent, they have more sense than to get in the way of you peasants that should only be allowed to walk.

      • GodsHammer

        Not more than 2 posts into the comments and already the KKK has reared their ugly head. Sweet Jesus…the pathetic predictability of the comments section content is reaching a new all-time low. Who the hell says that ‘intelligence’ is a written test anyway?

  • John

    wtf?

  • Slob

    inb4 sofa twats.

    “Had no choice but to go and get the girl?”

    Maybe you could have moved that fat fucking tart out of the way? Intentionally kills a 4 year old and won’t allow you to help them so you ‘go around’ her? Wtf is wrong with the ambulance officers? RUN THE FUCKING FAT PIG OVER.

    • Patrick

      That was my first thought, this bitch truly needs to die. She knew exactly what she was doing, this wasn’t a case of someone who is mentally unbalanced. She knew if the girl lived and the mother lived that she would be paying more money. It was a selfish, cold and heartless decision. I’d happily start donations for a campaign to make sure she’s executed. Considering I’ve been anti-death penalty most of my life, it says something.

      • CoBa?

        while i understand your outrage, I am not in favor of lynching someone based on assumptions. I agree that most likely she knew what she was doing, but you must also take into account that IF a SANE person can pull something like that off, even trying to pull out the injured/dead girl out of the ambulance, then isn’t that on the INSANITY level ?

        So either way, she did it on purpose or not, its still remains insane and will be judged as such.

        • Patrick

          While I normally love arguments of a philosophic nature and normally vote against lynching I have to go with – Fuck the bitch. I’d gladly pull the trigger myself. Seeing that little girls lifeless, bloody body is enough for me. This woman didn’t make it out of the apartment complex for crying out loud. Insanity (as a legal defense) typically is an inability to comprehend your actions and differentiate right from wrong EVERY action this woman took was calculated. So maybe she’s a sociopath – doesn’t matter, snuff her.

          That being said I hope that the Chinese justice system either feels the same OR comes up for any reasonable excuse to off her and I sincerely hope the husband/father feels the same way. He’ll have a big say in it depending on how much blood money the woman’s family is able to come up with. Considering she’s a professor – probably a decent amount.

  • Alexander

    Same old shit……. Traffic police in China fail to enforce law and order….. drivers out of control. Police could have easily sprayed the woman with chemical and handcuffed her and taken her away…..

    • anon

      Not really. They were inside a residential complex, not exactly a place where traffic police are stationed. She had just came down from her apartment, jumped into her car, and gassed it. It wasn’t as if she was racing laps in her car around the complex and nobody complained. We’re talking about something that happened perhaps in the span of 1-2 minutes, from when she finally found her car, started it up, and slammed on the gas to drive down that narrow driveway through the complex. She didn’t even make it out of the complex before she hit the mom and the daughter and then slammed into a bunch of other cars.

      You can’t “enforce” something like this just like you can’t enforce someone from suddenly getting out of control. One of the accounts says she had a fight at home and was emotional, came out, and jumped into her car in anger. Her actions here also aren’t exactly your typical “out of control driver” in China. Those are people who simply drive around without regard for traffic rules. This was a woman who seemingly flipped out and did something reckless, then proceeded to continue acting crazy (which I think is her putting on a show but the cops will have to figure that one out).

      I’m not sure if police were on the scene yet. Those could be the normal useless residential security guards who aren’t exactly cops. I don’t think they even have handcuffs much less are legally allowed to use such force. They’re mostly deterrents than actual law enforcement.

      • cardaver

        I think Alexander was referring to getting the woman out of the way, so the ambulance could drive forward… I’m also not understanding whats stopping the paramedics from dragging the naked lady out of the way, and then getting the ambulance to the accident, as opposed to seeing that she’s laying in the road and just throwing their hands up in the air and giving up…

        • jogiff

          It’s very difficult to move someone who doesn’t want to be moved without getting in trouble for police brutality. I don’t know whether Chinese police really are more easily able to get away with brutality or not (I’ve heard it both ways and until I see something other than anecdotal evidence I refuse to weigh in), but in America doing this would be problematic.

          • Little Wolf

            So…you got some anecdotal evidence of US cops getting accused of brutality for forcefully moving a woman restricting movement to aid a dying child? US cops always think “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6″ (in this case the mother and child being the :carried by 6″) How long do you think a US prosecutor would keep his job after pressing charges against those cops? I mean…c’mon…it’s not even an issue.

  • red scarf

    **** sake. They should and I hope throw the book at her.

    If 20 people can beat up a a foreigner, why can’t 20 or even 2 people just punch her hard in the nose until she lets go.

    • Ruaraidh

      Why? Because China… There is no other answer.

      • Brett Hunan

        I like a lot of your responses. This isnt one of them.

    • GJ

      Because a “Good Samaritan” law does not currently exist in China, as of yet. Perhaps it might occur to reigning party to enact such a law, but until then… No witness will ever help someone they don’t know truly in need of assistance on the streets. This is due to the fact that the victim can feign “injury” due to the citizen rescuer and can be sued out the a** for compensation.

  • La Mano Gaucha

    The paramedics “had no choice” but to carry their equipment?! What planet is this? Couldn’t they just immediately drag the crazy cunt out of the way, inject into her a strong sedative (which should be available in the ambulance) and then have a couple of assholes watch her? I can be here for another 990 years and China will never cease to amaze me… Most people really have no common sense at all! The little girl died, man!

  • red scarf

    Who wants to bet this is a poly by the women to say she was suffering mental illness at the time of the accident and therefore “escape” punishment.

    • anon

      Yeah, that seems to be what most people. It’s utterly shameless, and especially jarring because she sounds like quite a decent person based on what the neighbors have to say. Then again, maybe being a “psychology and psychiatry professor” gave her the idea to fake being crazy.

      • red scarf

        Sorry late in replying to you had to go to work… Also goes to Chef Rocco

        I was thinking of the case of Akmal Shaikh who was “said” to be suffering from a mental illness and in which the Chinese law system said, at the time of this crime there where no relevant material regarding him having a mental disease and that a proposed a mental disease examination was also denied that he had no bases that he had was suffering one before and that “Chinese law” should be applied equally. I wonder if the court that deals with this case will allow a psychiatry assessment if its there no documentation to show that she was suffering from a mental illness before this accident too.

        • Chef Rocco

          red scarf, you may want to compare the two cases from the perspective of insanity defense so that you can determine whether Chinese laws are applied with consistency.

          However, I don’t believe that there is comparability between them in terms of psychiatry assessment. Akmal Shaikh’s behavior in China looked perfectly normal when he trafficked drug, on the other hand, the Chinese woman looked like a lunatic during and after the accident, no matter she was acting or not, a mental examination seems justified under the circumstance.

          • red scarf

            Thats the thing “she looked” like a lunatic. In the Akmal Shaikh case the state was trying to push the point that under Chinese law that there were no grounds for an evaluation:-

            “PRC laws required defendants to first provide past medical records showing evidence of a mental disorder before such evaluations could be undertaken”.

            A few months later I read another “insanity defence” case in the chinadaily, having problems tracking it down now, which a man had stopped taking his meds, I think due to costs, and ended up killing his wife and son and painting the home walls in their blood. The courts found that he fell under the insanity defence because he had proof of one, i.e documents to say so. The end result was that he was simply let back onto the street. The point of this is that the chinadaily was making a point that the law was applied correctly because of prove he suffered one in the pass plus making hints directing the viewer to the case.

            However, if Chinese law has a cause that says about behaviour at time of the crime then it should be taken into account. However, the it seems odd that women in question only took her clothes off after the accident had occurred. The problem now arises that as it seems shes a psychology and psychiatry teacher/professor, i.e will she use her knowledge to give a false hit, and if she really was suffering from one why didn’t she spot the early signs of it.

            Maybe its something for Laowai to do if they get into big trouble in China, strip and act like a crazy ……. How will it go down the the netizens.

          • CoBa?

            “that women in question only took her clothes off after the accident had occurred. ”

            well, that would be the smaller problem, but she brought it to the next level by trying to drag out the girl out of the ambulance !

            “Maybe its something for Laowai to do if they get into big trouble in China, strip and act like a crazy”

            funny, cause that’s exactly what you should do. If you really get into trouble in china, and i mean REAL trouble, thats the best you can do to have a chance to get out of it. Act like a fucking mentally insane lunatic, in addition to some epilepsy stroaks and spastoid eye rolling. Chinese are extremely supersticious and consider such people misfortunate and unlucky, being close to them or maybe even get touched by them they think that some of that “misfortune” will come over to them. Thats also the reason why none dared to touch the women. She has played the game quite well, based on chinese standards. What she did was creating a platform to reduce the costs she will have to cover later on. Even in such a case, its still all about the money. I am sure the relatives of the victims will pull off some crazy ass shit too.

            Been “involved” in several crazy cases myself during the last years. Had cases of 2 death workers (one killed, the other had an accident), a “forced abortion” (other female staff kicking a pregnant one in the stomach.), loss of legs, arm, hand , fingers….and all other kind of shit. Trust me, when the relatives of the death dumb fuck show up, screaming, yelling, crying, its no fun, until they finally agree on the right sum of money. Who can blame them for that, its their way of doing things. Fact is also, that 20 of the “relatives” which show up, are in fact 2 real relatives, and the others are “hired” to make it look more dramatic, all hopelessly trying to squeeze out a tear out of their eyes to make it look real. But in fact its just a good opportunity to make a buck on the death shoulders of their useless relative….

          • Boris

            CB, you’re back! Good to see you.
            Your advice is risky. If she’s sane, surely she’ll get into more trouble by adding the charge of attempting to pervert the course of justice to that of manslaughter? Acting can be useful: I assume the British alleged attempted rapist got far less a kicking on account of his ‘out for the count’ routine.

          • CoBa?

            lets be rational for a second (i know, thats a hard thing to do in china, i mean being rational..), she did the “right” thing ! Like i said, its now about cost reduction. In that moment, right after she hit them, she had nothing more to loose. By playing insane, she still has a chance to get out of it with less trouble. China is about compensation, public interest cases are just on a political base. This here is a “simple” legal case. The mother riding the bike with her daughter on the back might be as much responsible for the accident. The naked bitch can still claim that she gone crazy cause of the shock.

            I had people laying in front of my car. I had others taking of their shirts pretending they want to fight me. Others yell and scream and cry for hours while sitting on their office desk, cause they were fired, occupying 2 dozen collegues which try to calm them down. Fact is that many chinese have no skills at all when it comes to problem solving or when they are refused/denied. I had one guy who refused to leave the job interview,cause he was denied. They just cant handle problems, cause no one taught them shit in their youth. This are aggressive folks, it doesnt take much to let them explode….

          • mr. wiener

            Welcome back CoBa, um I mean…interesting post from this new person I’ve never seen before. Not all opinions I’d agree with ,but interesting none the less, reminds me of someone…… nope it’s gone. I’ll remember it later

          • CoBa?

            BTW, Boris…regarding risky advice. I know this is not comparable , but have a look at this video. Very often, in china, being passive in a “extreme situation” is not the right thing to do. Look at this poor foreigner bastard being pushed around and the comments from the side. THATS real china ! Don’t like to encourage anyone to use violence, BUT it served me very well in the last 7 years. I would advise everyone to learn some boxing, and to have 1 punch knock out power. Just punch them once and send them to sleep, much better then to pushing each other around and let them scream and yell, making a scene in public getting the attention of a hundred bystanders. This is china style. When i would be in the same situation my style would be to punch this fuck right on the chin, throat or kick him in the balls, and while i am at it, the fool on the side too who is trying to throw oil in the fire….and then get the shit out of there and away from the scene. Let the paramedics care about 2 injured local bastards.

            http://yt.cl.nr/AayhTez2-Og

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AayhTez2-Og&feature=related

          • mr. wiener

            Not sure if staging a naked epileptic fit in front of a pissed off crowd of aggressive rubbernecking dipshits would work CoBa, still what ever wanks your crank.
            The hitting then scarpering thing sounds risky too. Since i’m sure there’d be no kind soul pipping up from the audience:
            ” He’s a good, honest clean cut boy, I can tell just by looking at him” on my account I think I’d make a B-line for the nearest rent-a-cop and get him to take me to the security office so there’d be no one for the gawkers to take out 200 years of foreign occupation and degradation apon. Best of a bad situation really.
            Of course it’s best not to take a swing at someone unless he takes a poke at you first. Particularly if you are the only foreigner at a crowded station.

          • red scarf

            “funny, cause that’s exactly what you should do.”

            It was kind of the point I was trying to make but trying to led into the discussion of how Chinese netizens or citizens would react to a “crazy foreigner”, especially as on very Chinese visa application you have to declare if you have suffered past serious-mental illnesses something which if went to court would be picked up on.

            mr. wiener: is that statement directed at me, I not been a poster on chinasmack until lately, but I’m active elsewhere, does the name Doglover ring a bell, if so you would know where I post, but I’m not her.

          • Boris

            CB, more risky advice, methinks. When I get the time, I still box. The times I’ve resorted to violence have proved having a level of martial ability is more of a liability to me than an asset. Times I’ve just lost the plot, when hurt pride has been driving me, have almost resulted in me getting thrown out of here. In England if I had an altercation with someone it may just be one-on-one, and some skills could come in useful. In China, most bystanders are likely to side with the Chinese guy, and your ability is going to fly out the window when you have to fight more than one person. China is not a good place for a foreign hot-head. The best advice I can give to someone like myself is to learn how to manage anger better, and stay calm. Besides that, it’s still good to see you back. And you had me utterly goosed over ‘Maja’, you devious bastard! : )

          • CoBa?

            i am by far no hothead and have no interest in fighting. In my 7 years in china i just knocked out 3 people in total, and 2 of them cause they tried to rob me. 1 was an employee, naughty MFer. I think thats a good quote for 7 years. I hate to fight, not cause i am afraid of the confrontation, I hate it cause i don’t like to make myself dirty by touching a dirty bastard. Thats the reason i prefer short cuts and one sold first punch to solve the problem. I hate people yelling and screaming and pushing each other, don’t like to lower myself on such a level.

            China will become a dangerous place for foreigners, I said that long time ago. I myself had to shut down my 3 companies and fire nearly 500 people. More and more companies are closing and going either back home or to other places like india or vietnam, where people work 2 times more for half of the salary of a chinese worker. Either way it was no longer worth the pain….chinese are a PITA. I traveled the world for the last 23 years, and never saw such ignorant, selfish, incompetent, violent, aggressive and irrational people. I am an open minded fella and helped lots of people in all the years, but was not able to find more then a handful people i would call honest and loyal.

            A signature, chop, contact means shit in china. I mean come one, one has to deal with people which pay whores for fucking, buying them apartments and cars and call them girlfriends. I had to sell my shares behind their backs and report them all to ICAC in HK and Bejing. I don’t complain, cause i never paid any taxes in all the years, but had to report all my chinese partners to the authorities to wash myself clean. The tax department in china even offer rewards when you report tax violations. When they get the money back from them, you get a certain percentage of the whole, thats the law. So i and my accountant expect a nice paycheck by the end of the year. It was a great experience and i learned a lot and fucked a lot of women, but one has to remain rational and do the right thing at the end, which means to screw them over and leave them behind with nothing…..guess it was the jew in me (from my mothers side) which let me do it….:-))

            In China, most bystanders are likely to side with the Chinese guy, and your ability is going to fly out the window when you have to fight more than one person. China is not a good place for a foreign hot-head. The best advice I can give to someone like myself is to learn how to manage anger better, and stay calm. Besides that, it’s still good to see you back. And you had me utterly goosed over ‘Maja’, you devious bastard! : )

          • jin

            i laugh at this line “I am an open minded fella”
            youre just full of hate toward china, you hate every single chinese person, youre a fucking racist, open minded? NO narrow minded racist? YES

          • CoBa?

            i admit that i am racist ! to be precise I am racist towards a certain species ! This species is called : nationalists !

            I have no intentions and time to put such folks into categories and judge them where they are born and where they are coming from. So yes, nationalists and fundamentalist can suck my dick !

            You know the ones obsessed with flags and torches…symbols for the simple minded…that kind of race. So call me a racist if you like, have no problem with that, but i will keep on calling the child by its name and not dance around. I post based on my own personal experience in china, if you made other kind of experience then its good for you.

            Nothing to hate my friend, i made good money over the years, fucked a lot of girls and made some “interesting” experiences. From my point of view around 95% of chinese males suck and are completely incompetent. Chinese women are much better and smarter, but on the other side I probably never gave them enough time and room to execute their evil nature. I will never know, but to be honest, I am not eager to know the complete truth about women, cause the milk is all i ever wanted from them. Let some poor bastard buy the whole cow later on, not my problem !

          • mr. wiener

            Jin.
            I’d go so far as to call CB an “open minded racist”. As such his views [the chest beating about sexual conquests not withstanding] are quite interesting and occasionally insightful.He is what he is and is immune to liberal beratement, political correctness and for all I know garlic and silver bullets as well.
            His only weakness’ are money and logical argument. Punani also seems to have a calming effect on him. I’d say your best bet is logic.

        • red scarf

          Hmm interesting side link that video.

          http://www.fanduinanlaowai.com/

          反对男老外在中国
          Against male foreigners in China.

          • Boris

            Sorry, I can’t read Chinese. Could you explain some of the article?

          • CoBa?

            didn’t even realize that there was a link, but you are right, typical chinese racist nationalistic crap……for all you which are still there, take care yourself, tough times are coming your way. Just wait when more foreign companies close and investors move their capital somewhere else, which results in higher levels of unemployment, which results in a lot of pissed of people, and a government which will throw oil in the fire by blaming foreign devils for peoples misery. Chinese people are so easy to manipulate and it doesn’t take much to let them walking the streets looking out for foreigners where they can release their pressure out of their incompetent violent aggressive brains….

          • red scarf

            It seems to be a blog that specialises in stories of bad things about foreign men do in China or bad things other counties do to China in a bid to raise ultra-nationalism on the internet.

    • Brett Hunan

      I was thinking she assumed she would have to pay less if more people died. Isnt that a common train of thought in situations like this.

      In any case you’d have to be crazy or the most selfish person in the world to do what she did.

      • anon

        Yeah, a comment up there makes the same accusation, operating on the “living victims are more expensive and bothersome than dead ones” notion that Yao Jiaxin and so many other cases were about. But in those cases, the people actually killed the living victim by stabbing them or running them over again (intentionally). I guess if she somehow knew the mom and girl were near death but not yet near death, she might’ve thought stalling would ensure their death but I don’t know. That seems like something most ordinary people wouldn’t be able to determine. I’m more inclined to believe she assumed they were already dead or gravely injured and was just trying to set up a temporary insanity defense.

        Is there any information about her immediate reaction after hitting them? It seems like the story only says she hit them and then suddenly appeared naked in the middle of the street. There must’ve been some time between the accident and when the ambulance made it to the residential complex. What happened during that time, specifically with the woman?

    • Chef Rocco

      Absolutely right, I just read updated news of the event, relatives of the women have requested a psychiatry assessment on her, an apparent effort to seek insanity defense.

      The young girl has died and her mother is still in coma…

      • Brett Hunan

        Wow, thats frigging low. Really low.

      • whiskersthecat

        My first reaction was that the quick-thinking woman immediately acted as “insane” as possible, knowing she fucked up big time.

        • elizabeth

          From a woman’s point of view, I think she was very likely devastated and emotionally unstable after quarreling with the cheating husband and all she could think of was to eliminate the competition so that she would not lose her husband.

          From the news, she proceeded to commit the crime right after a heated argument with her husband, so I do not think she was capable or even had time to scheme. Plus, she was desperate enough to go naked in public. Who in her right mind would do that? If she was sane, she would have thought of the consequences, the shame of exposing herself. She was not a whore but a respectable educator. That would have made it even more difficult to strip.

          Not that I would do what she did. She was obviously too emotionally reliant on her husband. Or she was living such a beautiful dream/lie she couldn’t imagine life without him.

          My heart goes out to the poor children in both families and then te naked lady. I do not sympathize with the adulterous pair.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com KopyKatKiller

            I don’t really give a shit about the woman lying naked on the ground. Imagine being married to that crazy bitch…

          • red scarf

            Or that she was mad about something and wanted to take it out on something.

            The thing is, from the news, it doesn’t sound like a heat of the moment crime, firstly the people lived next door to her, if she wanted to eliminate the competition, it would had been more logical that she would had gone around to the lovers house and had it out with her, instead she sent some time looking for her car and happen to drive into the other women when she was riding home.

            Another thing is it would had taken from time to phone for the ambulance and for it to turn up, lets say 5 minutes, which would had been enough time for her to calm down and being a respectable educator, someone with brains, especially in the field of being “psychology and psychiatry professor”. Also being a respectable educator doesn’t mean you would worry about shame if it meant it got you out of deep trouble, jail, death sentence or ruined for life.

            Its clear from getting into the car and crashing into them that there maybe a case of involuntary manslaughter as there was no malice aforethought, however, that people, or the lawyers, seem to be arguing about is that there is a case of murder, in which her further actions after the crash there out of malice which may had led to the death of the child and is therefore grounds for murder.

          • elizabeth

            You could be right. If not for the X-rated content, this may make a very good case study for analysis in schools.

            But, assuming that she was not looking for the other woman (who lives next block, not next door, btw), and she accidentally hit the two, then I would ask, why did she suddenly decide to prevent the ambulance from reaching the injured?

            On one hand, it was unintended (1st crime), on the other, it was deliberate (2nd crime). What caused the change of mind?

            If she had intended to pretend to be crazy to get out of the 1st crime, and was not insane, she would have weighed the consequences first and found that the 2nd crime would have carried a heavier sentence.

            Also, if she had wanted to kill the girl and then plead insanity afterward, why didn’t she go all the way but finally relented and allowed the ambulance to go?

            As for the point about her being a psychology professor, they say that doctors can take care of patients, but not themselves. Likewise, psychologists can figure others out, but they may not be able to figure themselves out or the situation out when they are highly disturbed.

            If she’s pretending, it still does not indicate with certainty a pre-meditated murder but one done at the spur of the moment, which might be a result of emotional instability.

            Go to go. Got a plane to catch.

        • red scarf

          The problem is while the 1st crime is unintended in regards to murder,manslaughter, you can say that it was intended harm to the person. The problem is that under Chinese law, intended harm that results in death or serious inquiry is a crime that the death plenty is used for.

          “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_offences_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#Crimes_of_Infringing_Upon_Citizens.27_Right_of_the_Person_and_Democratic_Rights.”

          However, people who can prove that they have a mental illness at the time of the crime can’t be punish with death. But the twist is that to prove that you have a mental illness, and to do this you have to have some form of documentation to say your suffering from one, or so its been pointed out.

          • red scarf

            However, in a legal context at the moment since there is no proof of her having a mental illness, under Chinese law she doesn’t have one. A point I was trying to bring up that in a past case, a case requested a mental health examination and the law denied this request saying that under Chinese law he has no documentation to say that they were and therefore there isn’t a need for one.

  • mimomimo

    It’s obvious why this happened:

    She was in a car. She owns a car. She has enough money to buy a car. Ergo she is a better species of human than the two on the electric bike who obviously don’t own a car and so deserve to die. If enough non car owners are culled from the great Chinese nation, then all that will be left are car owners, also known as superior beings.

    It’s quite simple. She was just doing her bit as a patriotic car driver.

    Seriously though, someone needs to smack some discipline into car drivers in China. The best thing I ever saw was when a car mounted the pavement and drove at high speed beeping everyone out the way near Sanlitun village in Beijing.

    Also, please can the CCP get nationwide first aid training, especially if they are encouraging people to be good Samaritans. Never yank anyone up by the arms when they’ve suffered a serious injury, especially an unconscious child! What’s more frightening is that it looks like it’s the paramedic who’s doing it! Cripes!

    • radbab

      you’re lucky you’re in Beijing. I got used to crazy sidewalk drivers here in Shanghai, with cars or scooters honking everyone mercilessly away or running them over.
      Or cars taking a U turn via the semi-fenced pedestrian crossing that separates big roads here.

      You can bet, the bigger and more expensive the car, the bigger the asshole inside and the less driving skills will be present.

    • xiaohouzi

      Couldn’t agree with you more! Give some Chinese people a car and they think they are instantly better than anyone else, like they are gods except that this mentality actually proves how primitive and backward they really are.

  • markx

    Damn.

    You’d think somewhere in that sorry group there would be a person bad tempered and angry enough to grab the crazy b**** by the leg and drag her away and throw her over the nearest fence.

    How pitifully indecisive and politically correct (can’t touch a naked woman?) are the ambulance crew?

    • RickyJinzhou

      I thought the same thing. Grab the bitch by her hair and drag her somewhere out of the way and sit on her. Worth the risk of getting sued if you save a life…

      • really

        Particularly since that 4 year old child couldn’t have done anything remotely close to justify these kinds of actions. Yet, her entire life and future were robbed of her by a psychotic woman actively trying to prevent her from being saved.

      • Little Wolf

        In Catanduva, Brazil, I watched a crazy hag murder a 12 year old boy by sticking a kitchen knife through his throat. It was during Carnaval and I was sitting at an outdoor cafe and had a front-row-center view of the whole event. The old lady was selling apples and dropped one and the boy bent over to pick it up and I suppose the old hag thought he was going to run off with her apple so she put a knife through his throat. The hag was swarmed by cops within seconds and several other cops furiously carried the boy and put him in a taxi(because it was the closest vehicle) though he was spouting blood like a Friday The 13th movie. Meantime, a cop pulled the lady by the hair to the other side of a van and put 2 bullets in her brain. Those cops didn’t fuck around. I can still see it like it happened yesterday. This was before the internet and Youtube and cell phone cameras and websites like Best Gore.com or even “Faces of Death” videos so it was pretty disturbing for me at the time.
        But now I look at this story and think “where is a Brazilian cop when you need one?”

        • Young Man

          O RLY?

        • Stimpy

          Wow. Just wow. But really, aren’t those cops like the opposite end of the spectrum?

  • eattot

    kick her ass hard…this kinda crazy bitch…
    but many chinese parents and grandfathers,they pick up their kids by bikes and scooters…everytime i see, i feel a bit worried.
    once my brother hit an old lady by car,he was so scared but still he took her to hospital told her he would take care of everything.that old lady just injected then left,so,better be a honest person first,not push responsibilty away.

    • Young Man

      *I guess the flight instinct takes over in some hit and run cases but in others it’s a blatant case of wanting to aviod responsiblity. If the Chinese popice were any good at their jobs then this would happen less often but their iron rice-bowl mfs like this naked bitch here.

      re- kids on scooters: The scooters with a whole family on them, kids wedged between the parents/grandparents scare the shit out of me.

      I think I saw a human foot lying next to a trashed scooter in a big puddle of blood on the cannal road in Changping, near Beijing.Police were there and there was no sign of an actual body so maybe I was wrong; I didn’t look to hard. People die on that road all the time and most of them are trike and scooter riders.

      Life is cheap here- I would NEVER ride a bike or a scooter in China.

      • mr. wiener

        I think I saw a brain lying on the road once, next to a stopped bus with pieces of broken scooter and a pair of legs sticking out the underneath of the bus. I didn’t stop to check either.
        Every time I see three generations on a scooter this song inadvertently goes through my head. It’s to the tune of “There were 10 in the bed”.
        There were 10 on the bike , and the little one piped :wai-gou-ren, wai-gou-ren.
        So they all turned to look and one fell off….There were 9 on the bike ..etc.

  • moop

    why didnt anyone just restrain this woman? drag her ass out of the way and pin her to the ground.

    “不积极施救或阻拦施救在刑法上已经被认定为间接故意杀人” really? since when? nanjing anyone?

    “肇事者张彦在山东省医学高等专科学校中医药教研办公室工作” this case is going to be thrown out. she’s going to use the “temporarily 上火” defense

    • hess

      上火 is the biggest joke in “medicine”..
      I sure hope my fiancee doesn’t read this or I’m a dead man

    • really

      Actually, this was also my first thought…why wouldn’t someone just simply drag that psychotic woman aside? It may have saved the child’s live and the mother who is in critical condition. I am Chinese too, so I am not trying to bash. However, the bystander affect in China is just too insane for comprehension sometimes. Truly a tragedy for these victims. This isn’t a video game. You can’t just run people over IRL and expect things to be fine. What’s worse is why would you actively impede the paramedics from helping them?

  • radbab

    People here in China know of the Nanjing judge, but they also know this “it’s cheaper to pay a fine and funeral for killing someone than paying for them for the rest of their life if they end up crippled”. From the chinese “me first!” perspective, the woman did the right thing :(

    • Mari

      The judge should say she wasn’t mentally ill at the time (and therefore is responsible), because the completely rational course of action for someone in that society and legal system is to act shamelessly and harmful to others in order to get out of providing monetary compensation. In such a system, doing what she did is the only “sane” thing to do!

      Simultaneously, the law should declare all Good Samaritans mentally ill at the time (and therefore not punishable for their actions) because you’d have to be crazy to risk helping someone here!

    • Boris

      I don’t think someone would be that calculating. It seems more likely she just thought an insanity plea would get her off the hook a little.

      • mr. wiener

        The lengths some folk will go to to avoid an “embarrassment” is extraordinary and boggles the mind. I really think this woman , in order to avoid responsibility for the accident decided on this course of action which just made everything worse.
        Back when I used to teach [Yep, I was one of the English teaching scum] I had a kid [11 years old] in the back of the class who would always have both hands under the desk engaged in a bit of the old “pocket billiards”. Hey I was 11 once myself, so rather than make a big deal about it I had a quiet word with his mother after class.
        Broaching the subject delicately, I said I’d prefer he kept his hands out of his pants during class, never mentioning that he’d need to eat lots carrots to counter all that self abuse. She immediately got flustered and blurted out: ” He wasn’t masturbating!…He..He’s got lice!!”
        I would have thought choking his chicken was marginally less of a loss of face, but what the hell, at least the pages of his textbook weren’t stuck together :P

        • Boris

          Reminds me of my German classes as a thirteen-year-old kid. First thing every Monday morning I’d be sat at the front of the class listening to the slightly grating though oddly erotic tones of Mrs. Peters, a woman who’d seen better days, but who’d probably been quite attractive in her prime. I’d gaze out of the window and let the language wash over me, working it’s magic gradually, letting it massage its way underneath my skin into my muscles. Inevitably I’d swell in the trouser department. I’d be the last to leave the class out of fear of detection. I asked a close friend if this was normal. He advised me to ‘beware the morning warning’, which didn’t help much. Next term we changed teachers. Mr. Ruxton was a nice enough chap, but a toad-ugly bugger to look at, and about as interesting as a Korean soap opera. Oddly enough, I still got the stiffies.

          • mr. wiener

            Must be all that German, an oddly arousing language when spoken by a woman with a horse face and an unwholesome gleam in her eye.
            You’d better watch out that Hongjian doesn’t hear of this.

    • really

      Thanks for the insight…that’s a despicable environment that they’re put in.

  • Mop

    Oman, this so crazy. How insane do you have to be to put up an act like that?

  • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

    Song of the Article

    Another Day in Paradise
    – Phil Collins

    http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/7MeImsH1K3M

    I am wearing my chinaSMACK T-shirt
    are you?

  • k

    On another news site it said the woman hit the woman and child out of anger because she had found out he husband was keeping the neighbor woman as a mistress and the wife did it out of jealousy and anger….but no mention of that here so I don’t know. Regardless of why, the lady needs to be fully punished for killing that poor child.

    • CoBa?

      no surprise here ! Its very common in china and for chinese people to release their own personal anger on weaker people. Anyone remember the cases where people went to kindergartens to stab small kids, just cause they felt treated unfair by society ? it started with the sum fuck of landlord who rented out his property to a kindergarten, and when they failed to pay their rent, he came back with a knife and stabbed a couple of kids to death. What amazes me is the domino effect, cause within 3 months, 5 more kindergartens and children were attacked and stabbed my “mentally insane” with the sole reason that they felt treated unfairly for some shit which had nothing at all to do with kindergartens or children.

      Irrational behavior is not equal everywhere, in china it reaches special levels compared to other countries…

      • wacky

        not yet in the level of andres brevik though

  • k

    Also don’t understand why a) no one just grabbed that woman and jerked her out of the way, she looks lik she weighs 100 lbs and would of only taken one guy to do it or b) why didn’t the ambulance just hit reverse and go around her?

    • Dripping Third Leg

      This is incredibly squalid. As a native Chinese, I can’t even think of something this squalid, sordid and ugly. She must not be Chinese. Oh yeah, she’s Korean !

      A perfect explanation of why they didn’t take action to grab her away is they might be stunned at the sight of her overgrown black forest with cheesy green mucus oozing out down there

      • mr. wiener

        I’m gratified to see you shocked out of your normal squalid persona. There are some actions even the most harden trolls amongst us [and we all troll from time to time] cannot condone.

  • Daphie

    It’s so sad. It would be such a big shock for the father and husband of the victim family.
    Chinese citizens simply dont care about others’ lives, they dont have the basic respect about a human’s life. Even if it is a dog or cat lying there injured, people shall help, let alone two injured humans. Anyway, the victims are not related to them, so why should they give a ***?

    And how about those who filmed all these and upload it to the internet? They were just watching as if it was a show?

  • jeffli

    I don’t understand,
    when a foreigner has some confrontation in public (whether right or wrong) we’ve seen the public get quite angry and violent.

    Why didn’t the public help this time? Is it that they won’t act on a Chinese vs. Chinese thing because of fear that maybe the perpetrator is connected? (powerful guanxi?)

    If so then this is a dark moment in humanity.

    I’m also surprised the Ambulance (officers? pussies?) didn’t man up and greatly bitch slap the insane woman.

    And then …… letting this crazy woman get into the ambulance and drag the kid out? What are these basterds thinking?

    put me in a room with this crazy woman It would be near the first time I would hit a woman.
    EATTOT I would invite you to come in the room and beat several shades of hell from that crazy woman! Then I can still say I’ve never beaten a woman!

    seriously 。。。。。。 bullet in the head! crazy or not or above fire (上火)
    click-click pow! thats it for child murderers!

    • fredf

      Because Chinese consider other Chinese as equals….

      • Frank Zappa

        equals that deserve to die…like the child

    • hess

      “above fire” ?…

    • really

      to quote the great David Chapelle … “Chivalry is dead…and Women killed it.”

      Bitch slap away

  • panic_arrow

    OMFG all the fucking people looking and do nothing !!! chinese police = retard people which can’t decide and react in any situation. no comments

    • gurkhe

      very true………..agreed

  • asd

    what the fudge is wrong with some chinese

  • Appalled@everything

    “Naked Woman Prevents Ambulance from Helping Crash Victims” – Because anything less just wouldn’t have been Chinese enough.

    • mr. wiener

      No less a mouthful[!] than “Naked cannibal eating man’s face shot dead by Miami police”.
      Competition time: Please insert long improbable headline after this post.
      Prize to be announced later.

      • http://www.wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

        Chinasmackers Found To Be Uniformly Intelligent and Insightful, Study Conducted On Lack Of Trolls

        What did I win?

        • mr. wiener

          Nope, that is a work of fiction not improbability.

  • Tommy

    If those people get medical treatment through the naked ladies life saving… the naked lady won’t have money to pay for cancer treatment for herself and could die,.

    • mr. wiener

      You say this like it is a bad thing?

  • bert

    She is not crazy just extremely narcissistic. Seems to be common in China among certain females. She got angry so felt nothing else mattered except her goal of showing that she was upset.

    • Chef Rocco

      “Seems to be common in China among certain females”

      If I take out “in China”, does your statement still stand true?
      If I replace “females” with “people”, does the statement still stand true?

      Actually, I think most people could be considered “extremely narcissistic” under certain circumstances.

      • fredf

        Narcissism becomes a disorder when you lack empathy and are obsessed with yourself.
        I guessing that it is the lack of empathy, among other traits, that bert is referring to.

        • Chef Rocco

          What hell are you trying to convey? Spew it out. Is lack of empathy is unique Chinese trait?

          Although I have known what you gonna say by reading your above comment, I am still all ears, fredf.

          • fredf

            Lack of empathy occurs everywhere in the world, of course.
            But, it does seem as though it is more common in China.

            “To the extent that people are pathologically narcissistic, they can be controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others’ views, unaware of others’ needs and of the effects of their behavior on others, and insistent that others see them as they wish to be seen”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

          • mr. wiener

            I blame Confucius. [which is kinda like blaming Christ for the crusades]

          • Chef Rocco

            Agreed, China is most populous country in the world, it may be natural that you may find more examples and events reflecting lack of empathy in the society.

            But can you provide empirical evidence that proportionally speaking, Chinese people is more lack of empathy than other people?

          • mr. wiener

            I think it balances out. In the West, people drive with some respect for fellow road users, but if they feel respect is not given we have more instances of road rage.
            In Asia no one gives any respect to anyone else on the road, but people won’t follow you home and cut your head off for cutting them off.

    • Appalled@everything

      No way, narcissism is more like being the type of person who just hates being wrong, to the point of stopping all relationships with those who might challenge or contradict them.
      Narcissism has no links to homicidal acts. You are thinking of psychosis.
      This woman is psychotic to allow by her own course of actions; a child to die. Yet she knew what she was doing (presumably at least) was wrong. Which makes her more of a sociopath.
      But still not a narcissist. Beg to differ there, I’m afraid.

  • gurkhe

    crazy bitch…..hang her naked

  • Dr SUN

    Shangdong, yet again !!!

    Must be something in the water there.

    or she was pissed that her hubby has at least one other lover and was making a statement to him.

  • Li RuiKe

    Is is not true that many Chinese drivers, especially those in large and expensive cars, drive like all roads, bicycle lanes, and even sidewalks belong to them alone? How do they use their horns, sometimes military-strength horns? To force people out of their way, because they are superior to everyone, especially those without cars.
    I have observed this for years, and the situation is getting worse, not better.
    In my crowded neighborhood, which has 2 schools in it, the car drivers are completely reckless. The drive fast, blowing their horns any time of day or night, park everywhere they feel like, including blocking doorways to buildings. Who can stop them? In China, no one.
    This woman had a long time, waiting for the ambulance to arrive, to see the damage she had caused, and to make a plan. The son wasn’t injured. Did he talk with the driver? Did she calculate the impact that this “misfortune” was going to have on her financial plans? Was she willing to do anything to protect her money? I think it’s obvious what fills her tiny, black heart.
    She’s not a lunatic. She’s another murdering driver. Jail her until traffic victims need her organs, and then let her “donate” every last one of them.

  • jeffli

    ok in China the crazy lady in this situation strips and blocks traffic etc.

    In Eastern europe a similar crazy lady would get out the car smash a rock on your head or strangle you – kill you by any means convenient as if he hit a dog and put you out of your suffering.

    All this “what if it wasn’t china?” and “what if blah this ” and “what if blah that?”
    Bollocks! Bollocks to you !
    That lady gets a bullet in the head in my court of law,

    And those big tough Chinese men in army style camouflage clothing? I would force them to wear a pink tutu for the next year – chicken shit is what they are!

    /the crazy woman should have been dragged out of the way of the ambulance, but no people go out of their way to cover her nudity first. This crazy woman was not crazy – she is a cold calculating child killer. Why? The bitch new her nudity would rattle the peoples minds and it did.
    I’f I was there I would dragged the bitch be her hair! I have no pity for child killers -any country /any gender child murderers deserve to die.

    • lonetrey

      agreed on all counts.

  • GodsHammer

    “Just TMD drag her out of the way! Why were the police so timid here?!…[referring to the police not wanting to move the lady because she was naked]”

    this is the first thing that came to my mind as well.

  • Little Wolf

    I’m certain road rage levels have decreased several percentage points in the USA since I came to China. Although it’s odd how I have more road rage events in China and I don’t even drive a car here.

    • Boris

      Why is it the Chinese walk like they’ve got a hundred years to get from A to B, but drive like they’re trying to break the land speed record?

      • Patrick

        The same reason they’re in a rush to get through the train gate – to wait on the train.

    • Appalled@everything

      Man, talk about hitting the nail on the head!

  • lonetrey

    Wow. Naked woman can go fuck herself. They should’ve just driven the ambulance right over her, pick up the injured victims, and then gone back for the crushed naked lady. What a bitch.

    Course, don’t take me seriously. They should’ve just restrained her physically, and then tended to the wounded. But still, she makes me so angry….fgdxcvjhlaeyxdfhjvjhk

    • CoBa?

      hope you are not in china, and i hope not as a foreigner, cause this is not the place for angry people which take everything to heart. It can be a great place for making some good money business wise, but it is and in my opinion will remain a shit hole of low human virtues and qualities.

      Its disgusting, but knowing chinese, its no surprise that the first thing she had in mind was the money she will loose. EVERY which could help to reduce the costs she will have to bear is acceptable for her. Money was, still is, and will always be number one in china. This scene just shows that this is truth…..

  • CoBa? (aka coala banana)

    just another chinese go crazy. Its always amazing to see what kind of crazy shit they can pull of when under pressure. I have seen some fucked up shit myself in the last 7 years, so that nothing can surprise me. Even the other story where the girl in the university stabbed herself to death didn’t shock me. Yeah, most likely she was murdered, BUT china is the only country i know of and chinese people are the only people i know, where i wouldn’t exclude a possible suicide. If that would have happened in ANY other country, I would call that a 100% cover up by the police, but in china I would say, yeah it IS possible that she stabbed herself a dozen times before she cut her own throat.

    Its one thing when in the USA a black dude eats a white men’s face while under the influence of drugs, but i would claim that in china one doesn’t have to be under the influence of anything to execute the sickest possible irrational dumb shit, like the bitch in this story….its just the way how many of the react when confronted with problems and certain situations. They have a lot in common with certain minorities in western countries. I would claim that genetics play a huge part together with a culture where inbreeding was accepted and tolerated for hundreds and thousands of years….

    • Rkil

      Racist

    • wacky

      like the genetic that caused andres brevik to kill people?

      • CoBa?

        well i don’t know why breivik did what he did. Being a christian nut job and neo con can be a dangerous mixture. From what i understood he “just” killed liberals (which is understandable,lol..)…but lets put that aside and assume that it would be within your power to decide who is gonna be killed. No power to prevent it, but power to make a choice between 100 criminal muslim immigrants or 100 liberal kids camping on an island….

        Moral of the answer is, that i wish that i would have this kind of power and easy to make solutions. Aren’t we all more or less small little selfish chinese peasants deep within out little hearts. I am ok with everything which is executed, but we have to put the extend and intentions into consideration before we make a self righteous judgement.

    • SuperHappyCow

      Why is it important that a black guy ate his face?

      What about the white guy that ate the asian guy, dismembered him, and fucked his body parts before mailing them all over Canada?

      Why didn’t you choose that story?

      • CoBa?

        who said its important ? do you mean to just mention that it was a men would be the PC thing to do ? well, i am not into this Politically Correct BS….you should know that by now….

        you are black, so why it bother you that he was also black ? Why you guys have the feeling that you have to defend other black people cause another black turned bad. I am white, why i should give a fuck what other white people do ?

        get your hate and anger under control !

  • Castro

    Such a tragedy. Can anything be done to change the situation? I fear not.
    >>>>>>>>
    I live in a similar gated community. Day in day out people drive recklessly through here where small children/ elderly people walk. I have asked my Chinese friends about the situation. Honestly they give me a blank look. I then ask if a small child has to die for the situation to get any attention. Again, usually a blank look. My close friend from Taiwan, who has lived in USA a number of years told me, they will just pay money for the dead child. Implying it is no big deal, life goes on, nothing will change.
    I wish I were able to video the traffic situation here. It is such a damaging testament to the Chinese. Day and night the different 4 & 2 wheeled vehicles fly down streets populated with pedestrians. Swerving in and out, no real concept of lane. Horns blaring. Absolute disregard for others safety.
    But the truth is , they do not see it that way. They actually consider such behavior to be ‘normal’.
    So, today a four year girl crushed to a bloody pulp. Tomorrow a four year girl will be crushed to a bloody pulp. Next week a four year girl will be crushed to a bloody pulp.
    No. It will not change. Yes, it will get worse.

    • Wei Liu

      If you asked me about “the situation”, I would give you a blank look. If you asked me, if some stranger’s small child has to die for the situation to get any attention, I would give you a blank look. Who cares about other people’s children. They are not my friends or family.

      Yes it is unfortunate that all these four year old girls are getting crushed to a bloody pulp. But that’s why we have street sweepers.

      Did you ask your Chinese friends about their children?

  • Luobo

    Globaltimes quoted a chinasmack poster, http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/717995.shtml

  • CoBa?

    this dumb fuck lifting the poor girl up and carry her like a sack of rice.

    After watching the video, it becomes obvious that ALL people you see in the video are dumb incompetent irrational fucks. Everyone tries to make the best and “right things to do” out of it from his own perspective, and everyone does it wrong, incompetent and irresponsible.

    The most fucked up things is that the one women which hit them with her car probably did what was the best thing to do in such a situation in china, other chinese people involved and chinese laws. She played the insane game to a maximum by even trying to pull out the girl from the ambulance, just to get sure that no one will later doubt her insanity. Looking at the video, and as strange as it sounds, under chinese standards, she did the ONLY rational and right thing, from all people in the video….when it becomes obvious that they will loose money and things could become costly, its amazing to witness how fast they can react to get sure to cut the compensation down, while the relatives of the victims will pull off some shit later on to get sure to get the most possible out of it….

    fuck !

    • Rkil

      I was upset at the guy holding the girl like that, but then realized I only knew that was bad because I’ve been informed about situations like that. Like you said, everyone had good intentions but were simply incapable of doing what was required. They were poorly educated. China is still more or less a developing country and things like this aren’t given focus. There are a lot of problems in China. They take time to fix.

  • http://www.kalanstar.com KopyKatKiller

    Well, it’s about time this got posted… Anyway, she’ll probably get the death sentence for murder.

    • Carlito Johnny Briganti

      Unbelievable, what is the world coming to.

      • Carlito Johnny Briganti

        she deserves the death sentence. i.m afraid to let my kids on the street. The paramedics really need to be trained on emergencies too.

        • Dr SUN

          I saw a doctor a nurse and the driver, but no paramedics, in fact I don’t think I’ve ever met a paramedic in china.

          • mr. wiener

            I believe the paramedics are the fellas in the camo clothing. One can be seen early in the vid carrying the child like a ragdoll.
            The old lady trash collector who stopped to help that poor child ,Yeye, is one thing. No one expects garbage pickers to be emergency medicine experts. But the paramedic in this vid should have had some training at least. In my non-expert opinion you wouldn’t move her until a stretcher arrived, unless you were checking her airways or making sure she was breathing or had a pulse. And I’d stress I am not an expert. the closest thing I’ve have to training would be a boy scout badge I earned for CPR back when I was 12.
            I don’t think this paramedic would have won that badge.

          • Dr SUN

            Guess they don’t teach C- spine immobilization in Chinese paramedic school then.

        • Carlito Johnny Briganti

          is there anyway of informing the society of the emergency methods which are carried out in the west. I’m unsure as to what actions could be carried out to prevent such ignorance and absurdity from occuring again. There are a few ways, a) go directly to the government informing them of the emergency procedures and see what happens, b) the best option i think is to start up a free 1st aid course, funded by local councils or by a charity setup, c) inform medical services. d) ask government to advertise it, publicise and educate the society more of the 1st aid emergency method.

          • mr. wiener

            I’m sure the Chinese govt. would welcome any foreign help and advise on the matter with the appropriate levels of gratitude and humility…….. :P
            Sarcasm aside, I’m certain there are are world class paramedics, ambulances and hospitals in China, but only if you can pay for it or your car has govt. number plates.

          • Dr SUN

            First aid and CPR won’t work in China, the victim or their family will most likely sue the first- responder for every kuai you have (regardless of the outcome)

          • CoBa?

            only methods which work in china is, when you take money away from them. Thats usually the moment and only reason you can get their attention. Money is number one, I would argue that they don’t give a shit about western emergency methods. Chinese people get horny about the misfortune of others, thats how they work. As long as it has nothing to do with them, they give a rats ass about their fellow countryman and women and children.

            Informing government ??? lol…do you think that government officials in china are chosen based on their professional competence, warm heartiness, kindness and rationality ?

          • Mari

            They’ll make sure to balance it with Traditional Chinese Paramedicine: carry and move the person as wildly as possible so it looks like you’re doing your job so you don’t lose face, then slap an herbal poultice on the wound and call it a day.

  • Tickle Monster

    They drew her a nice ass in the sketch.

    • Carlito Johnny Briganti

      your probably quite right, but the governemt have passed alot of new laws and many new laws are being brought in. Some are not enforced and some are, some provinces enforce while some dont. They have to start somewhere.

      • Tickle Monster

        The fuck are you talking about nigga?!

        • CoBa?

          that was the funniest post and reply ever on this forum !

          agree on the ass comment, they hired a true artist to draw the sketch, he made out of a flat ass an apple shaped one. Chinese chicks with brazilian bums are rare ! But one of the sexiest things one can experience !

          • mr. wiener

            I’d have said the vestigial influence of the soviet neo-realist school are still evident in sketches done here. The obvious inheritors of the neo-classical ,this is a reference to “Medea” by Bruge.
            The ass in particular with its muscularity and roundness is a homage to the evil witch-queen. Whose madness and unashamed nudity was used so effectively by the Flemish master painter to shock the moneyed senses of the rising class of strongly calvanistic lace exporting elite.
            This again is a strong parallel with the rise of China and confucionistic mentality with it’s strong taboos on nudity, public madness and the sentimentality show to small innocent children, so clearly transgressed in this case.

          • CoBa?

            damn weiner, such occasions are rare, but i must admit that i learned something out of your post..cool !

  • Not-a-bystander

    It disgusts me that no one ever helps. I would have grabbed the lady by her hair and drug her out of the way so the ambulance could help those people. I saw a group of 3 guys about 16 years old beating up on a little kid about 11. a friend and I beat the holy hell out of them and took the little kid to the hospital and called his parents. So many people walked by. If more people would do the right thing then people would think twice about doing the wrong thing.

    • C

      I think more people were in shock over what was going on and scared. I mean if a woman randomly took her clothes off and lied down in front of an ambulance, she could just as easily attack you with superhuman strength. I’m not saying bystanders are right – they should’ve been more proactive – but in China where you can get successfully sued for helping an old lady who fell down a curb, I can understand the hesitation

      • Dr SUN

        That’s why you should have a pocket full of dried peas and a straw on you at all times.

        • Mikkie

          lol

  • http://www.kalanstar.com KopyKatKiller

    It doesn’t seem anyone has mentioned the fact that woman she hit was having a long term affair with her husband. It’s also possible the kid she killed was a result of that affair. This was premeditated murder.

    • C

      Where did it say in any article that the woman hit was having an adulterous affair?

      • mr. wiener

        Needless speculation.

    • http://www.kalanstar.com KopyKatKiller

      Here are a couple sources. There are more if you care to look.

      “A Chinese woman was determined to stop at nothing to prevent her husband’s fatally wounded mistress from getting to the hospital.

      The jealous woman stripped off all her clothes and laid on the ground in front of the ambulance carrying the woman and her 4-year-old daughter, both critically injured.

      Zhang Shih, 38, allegedly hit the woman and child with her car last Sunday after a fight over the affair.

      The mistress, whose last name is Wang, was riding her bike with the child on the back when Zhang’s car hit them head-on, Bejing Shots reports.”
      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/naked-chinese-woman-blocks-ambulance-hitting-husband-mistress-4-year-old-daughter-article-1.1103545

      “Armed police move in on a naked woman after she stripped off and lay in front of an ambulance following an alleged attack on her husband’s suspected lover.

      The mum-of-two – from Linyi, Shandong province, eastern China – allegedly rammed neighbour Wang Lu and her four-year-old daughter with her car after a furious row with her husband over the suspected fling.”
      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/naked-woman-blocks-ambulance-from-reaching-943648

      • mr. wiener

        I stand corrected, thank you for the link. Time will tell if it is true, it would explain a lot about this womans “erratic” [for want of a better word] behaviour. Though of couse in no way condone it.

      • elizabeth

        She might really have gone nuts of this is true. The ones they should haul to court would be the cheating husband and mistress who caused suffering to the child and wife.

        Another reason why fidelity trumps promiscuity.

        • red scarf

          “The ones they should haul to court would be the cheating husband and mistress who caused suffering to the child and wife.”

          Your comment makes me so mad and crazy that you say this, does it mean that I have a valid reason to murder your family members?

          • elizabeth

            No, I don’t condone what she did but the cause of the problem is the cheating husband and the home-wrecker.

            Sure, you can put her in jail but her cheating husband is still roaming free to ruin his family and others. In this case, the victims are the other woman’s husband and kids, and this naked wife and kids.

            Too bad this lady couldn’t see that the jerk is simply not worth going nuts over.

            There is a reason why it is illegal to have extra-marital affairs in most developed countries.

          • elizabeth

            Correction, not ‘illegal’, but considered ‘immoral’.

          • red scarf

            “No, I don’t condone what she did but the cause of the problem is the cheating husband and the home-wrecker. ”

            Or maybe the cause of the problems is that the wife who is over bearing, has no sex drive and is lazy, a little crazy too, beats the husband at home that drove him to seek a new girl. Not to mention that this could be a result of gossip and Chinese people do like to gossip just as much as others. If thats the case then its clearly the wifes fault then on both cases I described, but where jumping to conclusions here, I would rather wait for the court’s final report and outcome of this.

            But no matter that the root cause of the series of events the end result is that the “spurned” wife did the final act and under the law she is the one responsible for her actions, anything else is merely circumstan which may or may not give give her leverage for mitigating circumstances in escaping punishment.

            BTW its not illegal to have extra-marital affairs in most developed countries its grounds for divorce. There maybe some states in the USA which have adultery laws, I can only think of one off hand, but is it not a national censuses.

          • elizabeth

            I think in Virginia, one can sue the 3rd party for causing emotional distress or ‘alienation of affection’ or something to that effect. But it’s difficult to substantiate.

            Yes, we are at best speculating based on incomplete information, but it is good to discuss such matters in general.

            Your argument in defense of the cheating husband is no better because he should also be responsible for his deeds, notwithstanding whether the wife is frigid, controlling, etc. That’s going by your logic.

            I agree that one should be responsible for one’s deeds. However, I feel that dealing with matters at the surface will not solve the problem. The root cause is what we, and hopefully the law, should address.

            How? That’s what we’re are here for isn’t it? Exchange ideas. That’s at least more productive than trolling, imo.

          • Patrick

            @both of you

            It is possible to sue the third party in China.

        • markx

          elizabeth…

          In my humble opinion, you seem to have missed the point somewhat.

          At the end of the day, people have to take some responsibility for their actions, we cannot all be American and always seek to blame someone else, based upon our particular view of morality.

          Do you really think it was a justifiable action to attempt to murder someone over a SUSPECTED affair, and to mindlessly murder a four year old child in the process?

          • CoBa?

            no, she didn’t miss the point. She just has a liberal understanding and try to figure out a liberal way/reasons/solutions/explanations….nothing wrong with that, it shows that her heart is in the right place, just the head is up the axx. Finding excuses for all sorts of shit happening in the world, being politically over correct, making this planet more miserable cause they avoid the true issues, is the name of the game such people play.

            Black pimp pick up a white girl, fuck and beat the shit out of her, treat her like crap, pimp everyday $$$ out of her ass, and she will still call him daddy and say that he cares about her. Being confronted with the truth she will maybe even claim that his forefathers were oppressed and forced into slavery and there is no wonder that he is violent “sometimes”, and when he is, then she has probably deserved the beating and to be treated like shit…

            Fuck that, take france by example, even IF immigration would stop right now (and we know that it will not), in less then 25 years from now on, france will be a country with a muslim majority ! Thanks to liberalism.

          • Little Wolf

            markx….what the fuck is this? “At the end of the day, people have to take some responsibility for their actions, we cannot all be American and always seek to blame someone else, based upon our particular view of morality.”

            Nice passive-aggressive dig at Americans even without a single American being involved in any of this fiasco you fucking assbag.

            Shit…I wasn’t even aware Americans were famous for blaming things on others…never got the memo

          • elizabeth

            Please read my posts again. I do not condone what she did. There are many reasons why people do the wrong things as there are many ways of looking at this episode. I suspect the many who condemned are men who do not understand how important the emotional aspect of marriage is to a woman. Understandable, because men are usually more obssessed with sex than emotions.

            I am simply providing another perspective, a woman’s perspective to the situation.

            Just as red scarf has clearly been trying to defend the case for cheating husbands.

          • elizabeth

            “just the head is up the axx”

            Good try CB. I believe you are speaking for yourself.

          • red scarf

            “Just as red scarf has clearly been trying to defend the case for cheating husbands.”

            No, I’m not saying that, I’m saying that husband and the “lover” should be blamed for the death is silly. I’m not defending if they cheated or not, that matter remains that the affair is unproven, if you blaming the root cause of the death of the child as a result of an unproven affair then its ok to say that its ok for this unproven affair to happen because its the wife’s fault that she was a bad wife, (unproven). If that’s the case its its just as equally right to say that the affair was the result of the wife being bad and that the root blame should go back to her as being the root cause. Then we can also make statements on why the wife was bad, pressure from work, husband being bad, or she was just a lousy bad wife and then shift the root of the cause again but this is all unproven.

            Nor is it fair to say that the families would be wrecked because of it. Its odd that a long lasting affair would had gone on so long that both parties didn’t know about it yet the neighbours do.

            Its also unfair to say that in a marriage that sex is the most important thing in it for a men, or that men would jump into the sack at the first change they get. Its fair to say it plays a part. There are loads of marriage men who have sexless marriages but don’t cheat, also many men get angry, or should we say have an emotional reaction, when there wife is lazy, bad or starts spending there money like anything, men can only take so much as well it just requires difference triggers and levels for each person.

          • elizabeth

            @ red scarf

            I think we are arguing based on different premises. Otherwise, we would have been in total agreement (or almost).

            I am not blaming the husband for the child’s death but the woman’s emotional state. I will still give her the benefit of doubt that she might be a little ‘insane’ when committing the act.

            It is also possible for suffering husbands to resort to other means of ‘relieving’ themselves because of unreasonable wives. Again, I am not disputing that. But just as we hold the wife responsible for her deeds, so should we hold cheating spouses (okay, I am not targetting the poorly treated husbands or men only, but cheating women as well) responsible for the damage they cause.

            You have a point about how long the affair might have gone on with the family’s knowledge, but ultimately, sooner or later, the conflicts will boil over, whether the or not the affair is an open secret. The bottomline is, cheating is wrong just as murder is, regardless of the reasons.

      • mr. wiener

        ..Although the Mirror report said “armed police had guns drawn on her”, which is BS. The third photo in that group seems to show police gathered around her pointing [guns] , but if you look at the end of the vid where that still photo is from , they are pointing their fingers at her .At just about no time did anyone lay a finger on the crazed bitch except when she got up and reached into the ambulance to pull that little girl out.
        Liz.
        I agree with what you say about women always going after the “other woman”, not their cheating sack of shit husband.

        • elizabeth

          :)

      • red scarf

        “Your argument in defense of the cheating husband is no better because he should also be responsible for his deeds, notwithstanding whether the wife is frigid, controlling, etc. That’s going by your logic.”

        However, the point of my augment was, to show how silly your augment that the cheaters should be responsible due to there deeds but in Chinese criminal law, as far as I know, says they are not. Yes, the law has a cause for that in many countries where one cheats, its called grounds for divorce. You may even be able to sue in China but its not an criminal offensive its civil matter. However what ever the root cause is her actions where of free will, the husbands cheating didn’t force her to do anything they may have put her in a state of mind, but it didn’t force her.

        However, while the wife, and “lovers” family are victims to the cheating it does not mean they would suffer because this suffering will only show up as a future event and we can’t punish people on events that have not yet happen unless we plan to cause suffering or to take away the legal rights of third parties. Nor does it force the person to do something. It was an event that wasn’t causing any suffering of any kind until it was found out but the wife did have an event and that directly caused suffering, i.e death and physical injury and did some crazy stuff that may had not resulted in the death, you can say oh but the husbands “cheating” caused emotional suffering when it was found out but at the time of the cheating it didn’t and it still wouldn’t if it went unnoticed he may have known that one day it may cause such problems but at the time of the action it wasn’t.

        Also at the moment there no proof that the man was cheating. Alternately it should be that the wife was point scoring and just wanted to to wind each other up, its not uncommon for girls/boys to make up bullshit when they want to have a dig at someone. The thing is no matter what we say we have to prove that that they were having an affair and we can’t at the moment.

        • elizabeth

          The argument about present and future suffering does not stand if you consider how other illegal crimes like smuggling and sex trafficking where victims voluntarily take drugs and agree to engage in prostitution. At the point where the smuggling/trafficking takes place, not one is hurt. So, why then is smuggling/trafficking illegal? This alslo makes your point about voluntary hurt look silly because the victims engaged in the vices voluntarily albeit out of ignorance.

          To cut the story short, are you advocating that cheating is okay? That cheaters should not be held responsible for the suffering of their families?

          • red scarf

            sex trafficking commonly involves the usage of people, sometimes and often under force, plus it takes away their rights which are given to them by law. Prostitution on the other hand involves money and is an illegal sale plus it cheats the government of taxes, fraud, plus it can be licensed making it legal but that depends on country.

            Drugs on the other hand can be actively dangerous to the public and should be under license to minimise harm to the public. Why do you think many countries have laws about alcohol, cigarettes and such. Also to further his I can put heroin, if legally obtainable, into your food, plus taking away your rights to use it yourself, plus doing I could kill or poison. Why shouldn’t, there be punishment for people who illegally obtain, use or traffic drugs even out of there free will, should the question of licensing of drugs be asked in society then yes.

            Cheating, i.e having sex with someone else in a partnership, on the other hand does not take away the rights of any third party not does partner A legally own partner B, so why should it be a crime? A third party may get upset, but there is no loss of property or physical damage to her. There maybe mental damage, but that is a metaphysical state which we can’t measure and has still yet to occur unlike the action of of physical violence which can have a direct link to the emotional state, fear etc.

            On the other hand are trying blame the root cause of the event, death of the girl, on the man without trying to further think why he did cheat. It seems that your advocating that its only the “mans/cheaters” fault and that what ever the wife did to him to cause him to cheat shouldn’t be counted, plus your showing a bias against him. What I’m trying to point out that saying the root cause is due to the cheating is unproven and bollocks and can be down to other factors that play, not that I’m saying that cheating is ok. If so then that under logic that the root cause, it may have been a factor that led up to the events of the crash but not really the cause of it.

            Should the cheaters be held responsible for the suffering, hmm, let me ask you this under the context of Chinese law how should they be held responsible and how would we measure emotional suffering how do we prove that its not fake emotional suffering?

          • elizabeth

            Your approach is the easy way out – judging damage based only on tangible manifestations. Emotion hurt, although it is difficult to measure, has far-reaching repercussions too. Do you know any kids from broken homes? The psychological damage such kids suffer will affect them for life. That is much more severe than that for drug addicts who got into the mess voluntarily.

            How to punish cheaters? Just like you do other crimes. Let me ask you another question. When one irresponsible parent dumps his family for another woman, what are the implications for the people he leaves behind? Is emotional hurt not damage? Is financial difficulties not damage? Is lost of paternal figure/involvement in a child’s development not damage? Even if he stays, what about family feuds, loss of peace in the family? Are you saying that these aren’t important?

            How would you feel if your girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse cheats on you? What goes on in your mind? What if the 3rd party is one whom you trusted like a close friend or neighbour? Is betrayal easy for you to stomach? Would you forgive that easily?

            Drugs and sex trafficking do not always involve unwilling participants, so your argument is still wobbly. Furthermore, when administering judgement and penalties, courts do take into consideration ‘emotional’ and ‘future’ factors in assessing damages.

            I repeat, I do not condone what the woman has done. She should be punished if found sane and guilty. My stand was and always will be, for cases of infidelity by either spouse, that the adulterous parties should be punished by law in any country. Adultery should be illegal. Maybe the lack of more severe law enforcement is why marriages break down so easily, and why marriage is taken so lightly. And why this world is in such a pathetic state right now.

            Those who cannot remain faithful should just stay away from marrying another.

          • elizabeth

            Oh yes, your point about the reasons why the man cheats does not absolve him from the ‘crime’ he committed.

            One one hand, you maintain the one should be responsible for one’s actions, which I agree.

            On the other, you are advocating that the cheater should not be responsible for his wife’s actions but contradict your own logic by insisting that his wife should be responsible for his infidelity.

            One last point, we have established that we are working on incomplete information. So just as you have assumed that the wife is faking insanity, I can also assume that the husband is a cheater. My purpose in this discourse is to discuss issues involved in such cases in general, not to play judge in this specific case.

          • red scarf

            “Oh yes, your point about the reasons why the man cheats does not absolve him from the ‘crime’ he committed.”

            Oh yes however you are pushing the point that the women’s “crime” is a result of this “cheating” and the child’s death is on his hands.

            Secondary the man has not committed a crime, it falls under civil law which is different to criminal law.

            Lastly, while you can assume that the husband is a cheater, I can also assume that his cheating is due to his wife either by being a bad person, or by causing emotional suffering/denial from her wherefore the blame of the death of the child is due to the wife, with her being the cause of his cheating as you claim his cheating being the cause of the crash, transfer of blame. I’m simply extending your argument.

            However, that you have fail to do yet is prove, under Chinese law, is to show that a reason that the “insanity” defence is valid so that she isn’t found guilty. I have already pointed, in previous postings, out that unless the person has documents to prove that they have suffered a mental illness that a mental examination for crimes committed is refused under Chinese law.

            What you have to prove is that under Chinese law that at the time of the crash are valid reasons for her to have a mental examination or there are grounds for a mental health defence because under Chinese law without such documentation, even if she was suffering from a mental illness, she is regarded as mentally healthy in a Chinese court of law. There maybe a cause in Chinese law to state that at the time of a crime ones mental condition should be accounted for but no one has pointed this out and that saying she was don’t count for anything in a Chinese court. It maybe a case of getting the punishment reduced but she then has been found guilty, responsible, of that crime.

          • red scarf

            Sorry a missed his posting

            “I think we are arguing based on different premises. Otherwise, we would have been in total agreement (or almost).”

            Yes I think thats the case, I’m trying to argue a point within the view of Chinese law and what the court lawyers would say.

            The problem I find is that although the emotion of the women could/may have resulted of a chain reaction leading to the crash because of his cheating, it doesn’t mean that theres not a cause caused by her for his cheating.

            If we were to make “cheating” a crime, not a civil offensive, then we have to take into account the emotional reasons why the cheater did such things. I.e if we can use emotional state as defence for one crime when it could be equally used so in a defence for a case of cheating, i.e the person who cheated was unhappy, depressed, that he wandered and if his partner is the cause of his unhappiness but stay together for family reasons when it its grounds for that they were suffering some form of mental illness in which under Chinese law does is a defence factor in crimes.

          • red scarf

            Also we have to take into account that could cheating is a result of her trying to score points off her husband or simply gossips then we have problem of is she still response for her actions.

            If we look at drink-drug driving cases we can argue that oh we were not in control of our actions but however his doesn’t work because we had a responsibility to not to get into that state. Likewise, does she have a responsibility not to work herself up into a state based on untruths

    • red scarf

      Hmm, well if you can prove that it was premeditated when its most likely that the crazy is part of it as well.

    • Dr SUN

      KKK, you must have missed my previous post on june 30th

      ” or she was pissed that her hubby has at least one other lover and was making a statement to him.”

  • Caseyorourke

    I really hate to compare China to the western world, but why are the police just standing around doing nothing? In the US the first second some idiot tried to strip naked and lie in front of an ambulance, the cops would have drug her a$$ off the street, had her cuffed and in the back of a squad car. Sh would never been in a position to grab the child, and even if she did, again there would be more than a few cops jumping on her, shoving her face in the concrete and again cuffing her sh she could not get back up

    • CoBa?

      nothing wrong with comparing chine to western countries. Its cool and en vogue, some sort of fashion which will definitely never die out ! For the simple reason, that the west will always win, on all accounts, questions and even assumptions.

      • jin

        narrow minded racist, guess thats why the germans killed the jews.

        • moop

          if you’re going to counter his point, at least make sure it makes sense. this guy isin fact “anti-china”, but your dumb ass seems to assume that anyone who doesn’t agree with your view is “anti-china” to begin with, so its hard to take anything you say seriously. the truth is most of us here are anti-ccp, not anti-chinese. being defensive all the time doesnt and wont ever help your case

          • jin
          • moop

            yeah, i know that. what i also know is that you pretty much paint anyone who says anything negative about china or the ccp as “anti-chinese”. you’re not as bad or pada, but you and “interested” might as well be the same person. you shouldnt be putting blatant racists on the same level as people who genuinely disagree with china’s policies (ccp policy) or aspects of chinese culture. but you typically do.

        • CoBa?

          to say “the germans” is a bit unfair, towards the many germans which lost their lives fighting fascism. The ones which risked their lives hiding jews in their own homes….its funny how someone like you use terms like “narrow minded”…..in the same sentence you call someone else narrow minded, and ended it narrow minded yourself :-)))), thats a skill ! Keep up the “good” work dumbo !

  • actionjksn

    If I had been there they may have both lived. Because as soon as she started interfering and trying to stop the ambulance, I would have punched that stupid fucking bitch as hard as I could right in the mouth and knocked her straight the fuck out. I’m serious I would have hit her like she was a man. POW! She would have woke up spitting her teeth out. That stupid cunt.

  • Foreign Devil

    Officials believe she was on “bath Salts” drug.

    • mr. wiener

      I doubt many folks in china would know what real “bath salts” are, let alone the drug of the same name.

  • Garbo

    They kept calling her Ms Zhang not misses Zhang. Maybe she was the adulterous whore who was having an affairs with the now dread woman’s husband. He could have broken it off with her and she flew into a rage and went out with the sole purpose of killing them. We all know how sick many Chinese woman are.

  • cc

    Has anyone got a pussy shot of her?

  • pockets

    She was on bath salts! That’s the only thing that could explain this level of mania.

    • CoBa?

      the ONLY thing ? are you sure ?

      remember when the tiger bit siegfried (or roy?), and people went: “the tiger went crazy…”, blaming the tiger ? And i thought to myself: WTF !

      Liberals tend to look out for excuses for all kind of shit just to avoid reality. Truth is: the tiger didn’t go crazy, the tiger went to tiger, simple as that. You can teach him a few tricks, but he is still a wild animal.

      Same here, a chinese women pulled off some crazy shit ! No mystery involved, its just a chinese women being chinese trying to make “the best” (from her point of view) out of the mess she just created. This doesn’t mean that ALL chinese women would have done the same. It just means that the whole situation, incl. the drama foreplay, the incident itself, and the aftermath of ALL people involved is MUCH more likely to happen in china, then anywhere else in the world.

      Shit happens everywhere, its just that it happens in china more frequently and on a higher level of irrationality then anywhere else. Money is still number one, and she did what was the right thing to do. In all irrationality, she acted quite rational based on her cultural standards.

      • jin
        • CoBa?

          whats your point ? and why i should give a fuck about what is in this article ? again, i don’t spend time putting people into sub categories.

          For me there are normal people and there are idiots (like nationalists, racists, religious freaks and alike). So yeah, again, I am racists towards idiots, but i have no intentions and time to put them into sub categories based on their skin color !

          You have some issues man !

          • jin

            OH but i saw your other post, that said fuck china and chinese this and that, so YOU did put all chinese in sub category, so nope you are being a racist.

        • Little Wolf

          racist? Is that the only word you know? Being called racist on this site has all the sting of being called a cotton-headed ninny-muggins.

          • mr. wiener

            Who are you calling a cotton headed ninny muggins? You adle-pated sot!

          • Little Wolf

            Sorry wiener. I don’t know what came over me. Pardon my French.

          • mr. wiener

            no wuckin’ forries LW.
            Besides the correct reply if you are called a racist is ” Don’t call me a racist, you fucking racist!”

  • MrT

    Most Chinese women have got a screw loose, just need the trigger to set them off.

    • CoBa?

      they are nice women in china. I fucked quite a lot of them. The secret is the timing, to kick them out/get rid of them BEFORE they can pull off their crazy shit. I never understood why people want to buy the whole cow, when the only thing they wanted was the milk ?!

      In all the years, I never made any bad experience with chinese women. Except some rather funny reaction, when i shaved one or the other pussy and they started to cry during the process, cause their grandmother told them that they will get sick and probably die when they would ever shave themselves downstairs.

      Chinese women are very experimental and curious, and funny you mention “trigger”, cause i think that chinese man have no “triggers” at all. They just add to the drama cause they themselves are useless. They have no positive sexual skills which leads a women to let loose and be open minded sexually.

      Most of this shit happens cause of sexual frustration and fucked up family/culture/society values in general. This folks are pimped on their brains from small legs onwards. Indoctrinated some crazy shit and guilt complexes, never taught anything real valuable from an emotional and common sense standpoint. Sometimes it doesn’t take much to let them go off, and there is no power in the world which can let them calm down (except you KO them). They have the rare skill to make a mess out of nothing and occupy dozens of people and hundreds of bystanders, just cause they feel maltreated by whatever small piece of shit happening, the rest of us would laugh about.

      • eattot

        you two really a couple of fuckers….
        u should fuck each other ….
        CB,you go die.

        • CoBa?

          thats my dream girl talking right here….give us some of your wisdom baby…we will wash your feet and drink the water….

        • jeffli

          Eattot
          I love the way you type “fuckers….”
          I would like to see them “fuck each other” too!

          I wonder if CB is bitch or butch? lol

          CB is back in bulgaria or albania or some other eastern euro hairy place. haha jeepusai!

  • CoBa?

    chinese bus driver eats women face…….worth a story…

    BTW, finally back to europe ! 7 years MFers, 7 years !

    I am a happy fucking CoBa !

    • jeffli

      so how’s Albania CB?

      • CoBa?

        don’t know, never been there. Heard from some albanians i once met a few years ago thats a shithole….talking about shit, how its working out for you living with your heard sticking in your ass ?

    • mr. wiener

      Enjoy that first shot of slivo when you get back. Hope you settle in nice, but watch out for the Asian bungy cord mate….It’ll draaaw you back one day :)

  • 平凡人

    Another crazy creative idea to evade responsibilities.

  • Viet

    People here why are you so stupid. If you crush a person to deat h ya gonna go to jail for like 2 years and pay alot. But iif the victims still alive she will have to pay for all her live. which mean 10 times cost more than pay for once if the victim is death. That is exactly why the girl do this.

  • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/c79b1c90cd357a01c9af77a892b9603f.png Brochief

    Geese.

  • kodi

    I am amazed that the Chinese citizens are still having to deal with a legal system that creates the environment and actually facilitates this type of activity. That woman just went about it the wrong way in the eyes of the law. Its a mere technicality. If she had simply run over the people over and over until they were dead then the law would view it differently.

    So sad to think that this logic is alive and well…… She is not insane, she is simply driven mad by a super material, super competitive, and extremely inhumane/ illogical society.

    The logical wonders don’t stop there my friends! In China it is not a requirement for a judge to have had studied law or have any legal background whatsoever, so one can understand why there are such foolish laws and mandates in China.

    Give the Chinese public guns, so they can kill each other faster. They are doing it too slowly and its taking too long. After 30 years with guns there should be a critical mass of intelligent survivors left to regulate guns, legal, medical, economic sectors etc……… I’m sure a fair share of people would simply turn the barrel on themselves either on purpose or accidentally.

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