People Wait in Line to Drink Deer Blood to Prolong Life

From iFeng:

Nanjing: City Residents Wait in Line at Deer Farm to Drink Deer Blood, Claims It Can Extend Life

During the long National Day holidays, some people traveled, some people visited their family and friends, while some others went to a deer farm and waited in line to drink deer blood in order to “supplement” their bodies [for their health]. Yesterday [October 3rd], this reporter visited a deer farm in Jiangning district in Nanjing and witnessed the sickening “bloody scene” of antler sawing and deer blood drinking. However, as experts remind, people who want to supplement their bodies [for their health] should be scientific, and drinking deer blood is not for everyone.

On the Scene: A Group of City Residents People Came to Drink Deer Blood

Mr. Yang is a laid-off [effectively retired] worker of a big Nanjing corporation. More than ten years ago, he and his wife sold all their property, came to Hengxi, Jiangning, Nanjing, to invest, and built a sika deer farm there which after years of hard work by the couple has become the sika deer cultivation farm it is today. In a village in the hills, in the midst of lush woods a village on a hill, in several large and small sheds and barns, over 30 beautiful sika deer quietly live, enjoying the shade of the woods.

In Yang’s visitors parlor however, yesterday early in the morning it was filled with men and women from the city, including both the elderly and the young. It turns out, When asked, they came to wait in line to drink deer blood for their health.

Yang somewhat proudly said, “Sika deer, from their young deer antlers [before they become bone] to their deer blood to their deer meat, is valuable, more profitable than cows and sheep.” Mr. Yang says the past few days of the National Day long holiday has been extremely busy for him and his wife, everyday there being some people from the city coming to wait in line to drink deer blood to for their health.

Witnesses: The “Bloody Scene” of Sawing Deer Antlers and Drinking Deer Blood is Sickening

Yesterday [October 3rd] morning at 9am, the deer antler sawing and deer blood drinking began, and men and women stood in line outside the deer shed, waiting quietly. Mr. Yang and his employees entered a shed with about five or six deer, and this reporter quickly saw that Yang had a little steel saw in his left hand, while his right hand held a bottle of high proof baijiu to be mixed with the deer blood.

After a bit of small talk, this reporter tiptoed into the shed. As if sensing something, the little began racing around in the shed, doing anything to avoid Yang and his employee getting close to them. He first used a long metal pole and shot one deer with tranquilizers. A moment later, that deer fell to the ground and workers skillfully tied the deer’s four legs, while Yang immediately and efficiently began sawing, the saw blade slowly cutting into the antler.

As soon as the very first antler was sawn off, it was handed to one person on the side who immediately raised his head and drank [the blood from the antler]. The “bloody scene” of antler sawing and drink was sickening. Mr. Yang sawed the second antler as he said to this reporter: “Here, how about you take the second one!” At this moment, a city resident on the side couldn’t wait any longer, barged into the shed, “snatched” the second antler that Mr. Yang had sawed off, raised his head, put his mouth to where the antler had been sawn off and sucked hard, truly as if her were kissing a mouth.

But what was even bloodier was extracting and drinking deer blood. An employee accurately cut the carotid artery of a female deer and directly extracted the fresh red deer blood. A female city resident was then handed a small cup of the deer blood and drank it in one shot, her mouth suddenly covered with blood. This was even more frightening.

“What are you scared of? Deer blood the essence of heaven and earth, the most precious kind of blood! It can fortify your body and health, promote metabolism, and help you live longer… Not everyone can get a chance to drink it!” one city resident boasted

After over an hour, seven or eight city residents who were waiting in line but had not gotten a chance to drink deer blood even started quarreling with Mr. Yang. Only when Mr. Yang had no choice but to go forward and apologize promising they would definitely get to drink the first bowl of deer blood if they came the next day did the seven or eight city residents resentfully leave.

Experts: Deer Blood Is Not Necessarily For Everyone.

With regards to the situation of drinking deer blood for one’s health, a professor at the Jiangsu Province Hospital of Traditional Chinese Medicine expressed his opinion. This professor explained that the entire deer is indeed very precious, with the young antlers, deer blood, deer meat, deer breast all without exception being medicine or supplements, and amongst them the sika deer’s young antlers are especially famous and valuable as an ingredient in traditional Chinese medicine, with extremely high medicinal value. But not everyone can drink deer blood. [For instance], some people who drink deer blood develop frequent urination, high blood pressure, or nephritis [kidney inflammation] while people with impaired liver functions should abstain. Furthermore, for some people heard drinking deer blood can treat diabetes, after drinking deer blood, they can become agitated and irritable, their blood sugar levels didn’t drop but instead rose.

“According to Traditional Chinese Medicine, deer blood is hot in nature, so people who have ‘too much heat caused by a too little Yin energy‘ or who have ‘a real fire’ should not drink it. And according to Western Medicine, people who have high blood pressure, nephritis and impaired liver function should not drink deer blood either. People with diabetes usually have ‘Yin deficiency’, which makes them the wrong group of people to be drinking deer blood. And not only pure deer blood, but medicinal liquor mixed with deer blood, young deer antlers and other deer products all must be cautiously used, ” the professor said.

Comments from Sina Weibo:

_Nonsense_- :

Human blood is even better for your health!! Why not go kill someone!

我也系猫:

Damn, this is sick! If someone said shit can make you immortal, this bunch of stupid cunts would also be in a line waiting to eat it!

今晚砸玻璃:

People drinking deer blood is no cause for criticism, but the deer should be given a quick death. Don’t let the little animal suffer, that would be animal abuse.

小陈托尼:

This is bad karma.

镜子照婧子:

Be careful of getting infected by parasites or bacteria and dying! These people are retards!

学会变坏ing:

Actually it doesn’t matter if it is Japanese or American or Chinese, human nature is all the same, “greedy and selfish”.

丶钧临:

What does what people drink any of your business? If our ancestors didn’t eat raw meat, we wouldn’t be here.

登封小县崔疙瘩小青年:

Our educational system needs to be reformed, what is this nonsense?

勇氣YUUKI:

If there wasn’t buying and selling [demand], there wouldn’t be killing. Shall we stop eating chicken, duck, fish, cow, or sheep as well? It’s fine to eat deer raised on a farm, right? It’s the same as chicken raised on a farm, right? I don’t really understand why everyone is so upset.

傻小样笨笨:

Humans are so powerful, possessing the ability to create all, and the ability to destroy all as well!!!

PDDuan:

I’ve felt it before, the deer antler is soft, warm, not bone.

小七学健美:

Were the deer raised for us to burn incense to them [worship them]? It was for always to eat their meat, to cut off their antlers, so what’s the big deal with drinking some deer blood?

What do you think? Although most people would not do this and would not want to, is this belief and practice really “wrong”?

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  • Jay K.

    sofa!

  • Chris

    Lack of education ….,,,

    • Eh

      But… but they were waiting in line!
      :(

  • I LOve China

    OMG!

  • praxis

    As an asian kid, my mother would always buy into crap like this and waste her money thinking it actually worked. I guess when people get desperate they get lured into this bullshit, thats why they are always advertised as “curing” things like cancer or diabetes.

    • ScottLoar

      Yet it continues. Homeopathy (is that what it is?), or traditional Chinese medicine based on balancing humors of the body, still goes strong. Yes, crap and a waste of money on deer antler blood, tiger and seal penis, bear bile, dried seahorse and human placentas, “dragon bones” (ancient remnants of scapulimancy) a catalogue of the odd to disgusting, laughable to dangerous things used in traditional medicine.

      • Ruaraidh

        When you type it out like that it sounds like the recipe for some witch’s potion… Blood of deer and ear of bat, bile of bear and cock of cat, stew it up with placenta, that’s how we cure cancer!

        • ScottLoar

          “Eye of newt and toe of frog, Wool of bat and tongue of dog, Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting, Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing,
          For a charm of powerful trouble, Like a hell-broth boil and bubble”

          - Macbeth

    • http://www.facebook.com/roger.lam.98 Roger Lam

      This is pretty disgusting and barbaric, cutting up live animal and drinking their blood. This and many more crazy things will continual until people are educated to have critical thinking and develop a sense to trust only scientific/evidence base information. Unfortunately I can see no end in sight.

      • Rick in China

        Some tribes in Africa mix cow blood with milk, without killing the cow — draining from a specific artery then sealing the wound. They don’t do it because it magically “cures illness”, nor swarm around trying to grab a fresh gulp, but because liquids are very precious around there and in order to hydrate, they’ve had to adopt this practice. In their case, it makes sense. In this case, it’s just myth and legend making people do things that modern society (including China according to most the commentors translated) deems as disgusting and barbaric.

        • vincent

          I think you’re talking about the Maasai, for those that don’t know of the Maasai google them, it’s an interesting read.

          • Rick in China

            They’re probably the most famous, but some other tribes as well :D I spent several days with Maasai in Tanzania, driving across the Serengeti and the Ngorongoro crater area..we were only there for ~8 days but each night was basically at camps/small groups of permanent fixtures with Maasai as the guides. They’re *awesome*. Here’s me with a true Maasai near Olduvai camp:

          • vincent

            I have to say I envy you, it is a unique experience, care to share how you planned this trip? Are there agencies or do you have friends in Africa that helped you plan the whole thing? Did you also come in contact with any of the indigenous *ahem* Fauna? Sorry about the multitude of questions but I don’t think there are a lot of folks on CSmack that have shared your experience. :D

          • Rick in China

            I’ve taken a few trips to Africa. My first was by myself, an individual climb up Kilimanjaro and some time in Kenya/around Arusha then to Zanzibar for some post-climb-chill, on that trip I planned it all myself *except* the Kilimanjaro component..which I used the ATR, Africa Travel Resource, back then they really only planned eastern Africa trips but as I understand they’ve been slowly expanding. The Zanzibar part, well, just booked a one way flight and found a beach house the same day I had arrived. Planning these kind of trips can be harrowing if you don’t have much free time, but I *really* enjoy the planning component…the trip in the photo I had used ATR also but for 2 middle-trip components – climbing the Virunga jungle with my popps to see some real mountain gorillas in the wild (borders Congo/Uganda/Rwanda) and our own little flight directly into grasslands in the serengeti.

            I’m an animal lover, Africa is amazing, and while I don’t oppose hunting or farming *in the least*, I just like m’f'ers like the ones mentioned in this story to learn some respect for animals if they choose to harvest them and consume them in any way.

        • Highwave

          It isn’t because liquids are precious; itis because protein is precious. They don’t the meat because the animals are too important… Here it is all about superstition and one-up-manship!

      • jin

        the uneducated one is you, how is this disgusting and barbaric? the deer didnt get hurt, their antler dont have any feeling, sure it bleed but they dont feel the pain.its like clipping your nails. its also a fact that deer blood is high in iron and high in protein.

        • BigJ

          Sure, the blood is high in iron and protien, but that is not why they are drinking it. They think it will magically make you live longer.

        • Rick in China

          Look it up Jin, do some f’ing research before you call people uneducated. A full grown deer’s antlers ARE like bone, and are insensitive, but a young deer’s antlers are very sensitive and cause immense pain. How often do you clip your nails and cause hemorrhaging? Mr Yang talks about how young deer are most potent/valuable. They aren’t full grown bone structures being removed. So, high in iron, high in protein, so lets saw off some antlers and suck on its blood? Kidney beans are high in iron and protein, you don’t need to resort to such a ridiculous method of keeping healthy when there are perfectly fine and equally healthy alternatives.

        • Molgera

          When you clip your nails, it doesn’t hurt as long as it doesn’t bleed. The deer’s antlers definitely aren’t bone, as far as I know bones themselves don’t hold blood. And if it didn’t hurt, do you think they would need to hold him down so strongly? If you are so sure that it doesn’t hurt, please make the wish to switch lives with one of those poor animals, live through this nightmare and come back here apologize. To conclude, if you yourself want something high in iron and protein, I suggest you try eating cereals.

          • Rick in China

            @molgera:disqus You also need to educate yourself. Wikipedia even:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antler

            “While an antler is growing, it is covered with highlyvascular skin called velvet, which supplies oxygen and nutrients to the growing bone.”
            and
            “Growth occurs at the tip, and is initially cartilage, which is mineralized to become bone. Once the antler has achieved its full size, the velvet is lost and the antler’s bone dies.”

            The problem here isn’t the harvesting of antlers..or even the harvesting of younger antlers, but perhaps the process they are harvesting and the misconception that drinking straight blood from the source like a rabid barbarian expecting to get some sort of rush/vitality/long life. Some countries harvest antlers when they are velveting but how they do it is strictly regulated by law to prevent animal abuse, although imo harvesting at this time *is* animal abuse regardless of the anesthesia or process involved.

          • Molgera

            Let’s campaign to support the end of the world.

          • Rick in China

            Feel free to join mine – I’ve been campaigning for the end of the world since I realized humans in general are best described by Agent Smith in The Matrix…
            “Agent Smith: I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You’re a plague and we are the cure. “

          • Molgera

            Agreed.

        • vincent

          Watch Bambi and say that you’re ok with this.

    • jin

      Actually deer blood has been a popular oriental natural health tonic. It contains a high concentration of amino acids and nutrients including iron. Deer Blood aids blood production and circulation, supports the body functions and metabolism, and helps with the physical and mental function. So deer blood is healthy, but only for some.
      and deer antler dont have feelings, when you cut it, they dont feel any pain. and it will regrow within a year. they didnt hurt the deer.

      • Rick in China

        Bullshit.
        “Cutting deers’ antlers before maturation, and without adequate pain relief, is cruel and should be prohibited.”
        http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-health/welfare/nccaw/guidelines/livestock/antler

        If you want some amino acid and other nutrients, like iron, TAKE A F’ING SYNTHESIZED TABLET like any modern person would, rather than *painfully* sawing the limbs off of another animal and drinking its blood like you’re a character in True Blood seeking sustenance. Responses like yours make me think you’re one of the imbeciles who truly needs to take some chemistry/biology courses in order to be a member of the “voting public”, or in this case, posting public.

        • Jahar

          Or I imagine you could just drink blood from a dead deer. Or eat the meat. Or from a cow for that matter. Can’t imagine it’s that different

          • Rick in China

            Someone sawing the horns off a live bull and sucking on the end like a baby sucks out mother’s milk is equally disgusting/unnecessary. You’ve not made your point…

      • BigJ

        It must be a full time job defending things Chinese people do.I know the deer don’t feel the pain. I’m just saying if you are drinking blood because it helps metabolism and so on, you might as well eat moldy bread for penicillin. There are much more practical ways of getting these things. In this case the chinese don’t care about iron and mental functions. They just think it will make them live longer. That’s it.

        When people are in fear of dying, they do crazy things. Not just Chinese just everyone.

        • jin

          http://www.lef.org/magazine/articles/velvet.htm
          if you read it here, the oriental and western scientist proves that it got multiple use in increasing your health. so in a way it does make the live longer, maybe for a minut or for a day, but it does help.

          • Rick in China

            Eat a synthesized tablet for your amino acids/vitamins like a modern individual.

          • Jahar

            Health can be improved, but not increased. Also, drinking a mouthful of it once in your life is going to have absolutely no impact whatsoever.

      • vincent

        Wrong, when the antler turns to bone is when it would be painless to cut off. At this point the antlers are still growing and blood is flowing through it therefore the deer most definitely feels pain, it took me all of 2 mins to find that out.

      • elizabeth

        Jin, they also cut the deer’s carotid artery to draw blood from it. Assuming that it is not the least painful, even then, the amount of blood lost will have a dramatic effect on the deer’s health, not to mention die from loss of blood. And causing it to suffer or die slowly is a cruel thing to do.

      • manujoro

        Jin, I have something in my pants you can suck on too. It also contains a high concentration of proteins, vitamins, minerals and zinc. Even sugar if you like sweet!

  • Apollo

    I am about to release a deadly virus that works for Hans only. Stay tuned. It will be funny

    • themig

      actually Hans should only drink the blood of Jews and Muslims

  • linette lee

    Let me send these china people deers with infected ticks. So They can all make a toast holding their glass for drinking deer blood. They can all enjoy lime disease. From the sellers to the buyers.

  • linette lee

    lyme disease..that is.

  • moop

    oh no, dont they realize deer blood will make them 上火? better break out the 苦瓜汁

    • linette lee

      Some scientists claim that the anklers of deers have the fastest rate of organ growth in the animal kingdom. Faster than your nail growth. A mature deer shed their anklers and it regenerate. They use it to fight. They say the anklers have a high concentration of growth hormone like substance that’s good for joint pain or other injury.

      • BigJ

        Lobsters can regrow claws too, So im sure chinese would think if my arm gets cut off and eat lots of lobsters then my arm will grow back.

        • linette lee

          hahaha…..so is starfish….

          Can men eat sea horse? You eat it so you can be like sea horse and go prego…hahah…

          Can somebody please ask a seahorse about his sex life? Must be hard for him no? I think only a sea horse can fully understand motherhood. Understand what females are going through. ;)

        • Frankie

          You drink milk, right? Do you know why? I’m sure when you really think about it it will be as stupid as drinking deer blood.
          No problem with drinking deer blood if they want.
          As for other people saying that its uncivilised, unless you are a vegetarian you are being hypocrites…….

          • moop

            its not really the same thing. One is basically driven by superstitious belief and the other on scientific evidence (i drink milk for the calcium for strong bones, blah blah blah). re-read the article and you’ll see the part about the guy sucking blood from the freshly cut antler, thats about as civilized as me on all fours sucking from a cow’s teat. but to each their own

          • jin

            it is scientific proven that deer blood is high on iron and proteins. and the deer didnt get hurt, he didnt feel pain because they have no feelings in their horns.

          • moop

            thats completely irrelevant. there are lots of foods with high iron and protein content, but that’s not why these people are drinking the deer blood. they are drinking it because they believe it is some magic elixir of long life, not as a vitamin or nutritional supplement.

          • jeffli

            any mammalian blood is high in iron and proteins

          • fabulous

            That’s just terrible logic.
            When I think about drinking deer milk it is as stupid as drinking cows milk; which is not very stupid at all. I don’t think that drinking milk is the same as drinking dog urine. I don’t think that drinking milk is the same as drinking wombat tears.
            Milk is milk and blood is blood. Try offering your grandma her tea with blood and two sugars. Not even Heston is going to make a blood custard pie.

            That kind of logic may keep Samuel L. Jackson out of jail but it has failed you here. We are talking about blood here, not how being a vegan has changed your life and given you so much more energy.

          • BigJ

            Yeah I don’t know what Frankie was thinking with that lol. I don’t know if he was trying to defend Chinese honor or what.

          • linette lee

            Milk is meant to be food for the offsprings of the animals. It’s not the same as blood. It doesn’t hurt the animal, and it’s senseless to drink the blood or urine of the animals. Cutting the anklers off just to drink the blood it’s like me cutting your ears off to suck the blood. Not much nutrition there.
            Now if you are hungry you are free to eat the whole animal the deer. Mother nature has rule for predator and prey. All animals including humans can be considered food as source of proteins and important nutrients needed to survive.

          • Frankie

            No, I’m just saying there is as much logic in drinking cows milk as there is in drinking deer blood.
            These people are drinking deers blood for some kind of nutritional value. I know it says to prolong their life, anything you eat or drink for nutritional value is to prolong your life, idiots.
            It’s not fair to critise one group of people for torturing animals for their own purpose when you are doing the same.
            Don’t try and tell me that milking cows is innocent… if you think that then you dont know much about the world you live in
            Not even Heston is going to make a blood pie? Douchbag, there are lots of gross bloody meals out there. Ever heard of Black pudding?
            It just that its different to your culture that you have trouble understanding.

          • elizabeth

            Milk is meant to be extracted to feed others while blood meant to be retained in the animal’s body for proper bodily function and preservation of its life.

            I don’t see anything hypocritical about drinking milk and denouncing the torture of an animal.

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    • Cynic

      My name is Bambitron, avoid chinese, I can put my antler back on, you can’t.

      • BigJ

        :) For sure LOL

  • Bitches Leave

    I’m Vegan (in Shanghai) and I don’t approve this message …

    • moop

      i heard vegans put out

      • moldavidian

        This one does but where can we find the allusive female vegans?

  • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

    Chinese have a weird relationship with nature, an unscientific one. Whether its drinking deer blood in 2012, or drinking beheaded convicts blood in the 1970′s, calling an alligator a fish, or failing to legally protect pets from cruelty because they think that would include livestock, they are indeed a backward and befuddled nation.

    • linette

      Chinese have a weird relationship with nature………………

      hahhaahahhaha…..lol….. You are too much. lol….

    • Christina

      you obviously don’t know any chinese- based on your statement, Chinese call sharks, whales, octopi, and eels “fish” too. you’re a bit befuddled too, kitty

      • moop

        so just because he didnt make a full list he doesnt know chinese? how does this make your point?

        • christina

          moopy my point is that alligators are NOT called fish, the word for alligator IS alligator! likewise, the word for octopus, whale, etc. all include the character “yu” but do not translate into FISH as kitty believes. Just correcting that notion.

          • moop

            but isnt an alligator 短吻鳄? which is short for 短吻鳄鱼, 鳄鱼 being a crocodile, so an alligator is a “short-snout crocodile”.

          • ShuangXi

            I think she means: Regardless of whether Chinese are or are not scientific, you can’t point to the language as proof of that, as it’s unrelated.

            Example: Just because the word 鱼 is in ‘alligator’ doesn’t mean Chinese classify alligator as a fish, although irresponsibly translating too literally into English gives this impression.

          • ShuangXi

            Anyone know why name appears that way?

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Log into your Disqus profile and change you name under profile settings…

          • ScottLoar

            But 鱷 has a “fish” radical. How else is it classified? Neither I nor anyone else is irresponsibly translating that single character as “crocodile fish” but the question remains, why does that character have a fish radical?

          • Cynic

            maybe when the reptile was being classified several thousand years ago the scholar saw a fish in its mouth?

          • ScottLoar

            I get the sarcasm but my question is sincere. As contra example, the character for “fresh; delicious” is 鮮, comprising the character for “fish” with that for “lamb” which together equal a good, tasty thing. But this exception does not explain why crocodile or salamander use “fish” in their construction and definition.

          • Cynic

            ironically i was not trying to be sarcastic. i was questioning that perhaps, sometimes there isnt much Luo Ji (logic) to the chinese language. anyhow, i dont know characters so i cant be much of a help.

          • ScottLoar

            I’m more than willing to accept that language is not a construct of logic and reason but a jumbling of habit, laziness, fashion and mixing of cultures that is always evolving, but… I never before recognized that simple question: Why classified as fish?

          • Cynic

            its a water dwelling creature perhaps? forgive me but i am having difficulties understanding your difficulties with its classification. should it be more similar to a turtle or salamander or some other reptile?

          • ScottLoar

            That it is aquatic seems the only explanation. So, 魚 the character “fish” is a synonym for aquatic? I can accept that, but I just want to be reasonably sure.

          • Nick in Beijing

            If that explanation is true, then “yu” can’t translate to English simply as “fish”, it would necessarily have a companion character to identify exactly what kind of aquatic creature it is. The easiest explanation, and the most likely, is that there is no explanation. A scholar said it, people accepted it, no one questioned it, and it has stuck.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Lobsters don’t get the “yu” character as I posted above.

          • ShuangXi

            I see your point. But isn’t it safe to say that those characters come from thousands of years ago (I think? correct me if I’m wrong) where it was scientific enough to just say “these things all come from the water”?

      • ScottLoar

        Kitty, perhaps you can tell us why in vernacular Chinese sharks, whales, octopus, eels, crocodiles and alligators, salamanders, abalone, squid, are all called “fish” of some kind? I honestly don’t know.

        • jw

          The easiest way to translate “yu” into English is fish, but of course “yu” is not just a single hard cold translated word, it is sort of like an “idea”. That saying, things that have the suffix “yu” are things related or living in the ocean. It doesn’t have to mean fish. You can’t look at a language in the context of the English Language.

          • ScottLoar

            I understand spoken Chinese (no matter Mandarin, Cantonese, Fukianese or any other variation) has many homophones that are not readily intelligible from spoken context, and so compounds formed by two characters are often used to clarity. By example, 鮑魚﹐鯊魚﹐章魚﹐墨魚 “are things related or living in the ocean” as defined by their radicals (部首) and the ending “魚” reinforces this meaning and also differentiates these from similar homophones. Perhaps you can stretch that to include 鯨, the whale, which is a fish-like mammal in the ocean, and 鰻 lamprey found in the ocean (I’ll generously include 鱔 which are true eels) but that does not account for 鱷 having a fish radical and 娃娃魚. Obviously, just from the characters, the crocodile and giant salamander are classified as fish of some sort.

            So you see JW, I’m not looking “at a language in the context of the English language”; I am looking at written Chinese in its own context and still wondering why these last two are called “fish” of some kind. You still haven’t answered.

          • BigJ

            I don’t know much about the chinese language or their medicine. But from what I see it seems like a guy 4000 years ago thought a alligator was a fish and wrote it like that and people just never corrected it. Same thing for the medicine. The medicine needs no facts or proof that it works. All it needs is some old guy from 4000 years ago to say it works and then it magically works.

          • cynic

            I respectfully disagree, albeit not knowing very much on the subject. Chinese medicine is expansive, it dates many thousands of years and has a wealth of study and records to back it. Wether it be trial an error with use of herbs etc. passed down by word of mouth or documented scrolls and books based on observation, it is a real science. maybe one of the problems in quantifying the effect of chinese medicine is the length of time it takes to work or show meaningful results. its not like western medicine where one can swallow a pill and have changes show right away. it takes regiment and time with chinese medicinal alternatives to work. i think in regards to medicine the east needs a bit of west and vice versa. any extreme is perilous. my best friends mom was so enchanted by chinese medicine that she blindly listened to a ‘chinese’ doctor. he took her off all her pills and gave her some plants to eat etc.. she had a stroke shortly after, never really recovered and died from a second stroke 2 years later. had he slowly weened her off the western meds and patiently observed results i think she could have migrated to a chemical free treatment.

            i would guess that dear antlers are probably good in some respects. however, just drinking the blood from them once in a while, and ignoring other healthy life activities is not going to make one imortal.

          • ScottLoar

            I’m inclined to believe you, but I still wonder about the classification of things as “fish” which is done by the radical. I need the 辭海 classical dictionary but don’t have it with me.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            I think rote memorization has substituted critical thinking in general in China. What better way can there be of “knowing” then the mindless recitation of old nonsense? The older the better for them I figure.

          • linette lee

            I have a feeling that the ancient chinese pretty much just put 魚 to any animals that can live in the water. It’s a way for them to tell you this animal can live in the water. Not so much that they are related in species. The ancient chinese were not that advance to classify animals according to species.

        • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

          I think anything that swims in the water is a 鱼 fish. If I go for a swim then I am 人鱼 which translates as “Mermaid” lol!

          Interestingly, shellfish, like clams for example, and crustaceans, like lobster for example, do not get the character 鱼 fish. Crustacean 甲壳动物 translates literally as Armor, Shell, Move, Matter. Or a shellfish that moves. Very descriptive… but doesn’t make a lot of sense when talking about alligators…

          • linette lee

            這是什麼魚在水中?

      • BigJ

        How is a whale a fish????Is it because it swims in the water? By that logic then all land animals are mammals. That includes snakes lizards dogs cats….They are the same.

        • christina

          see above bigj

          • bert

            So “yu” just basically means sea creature or sea animal not really “fish”? I always joke about alligator in Chinese and say it is a “hungry fish”.

        • Cynic

          Chinese is just an imprecise ancient language words are compounds of simple words. For example Octopus is ink fish. Not sure what whale is probably follows the same structure. Maybe something like huge fish or big fish. Elevator, electric stairs.

          • moop

            my favorite is when the same word is used to describe two different things. Marshmallows and Cotton candy are both called 棉花糖 and elevator and escalator are both called 电梯 and cookies and crackers are both called 饼干

          • Cynic

            Yah I find it amusing and confusing. How about how yellow fish in one province is different from yellow fish in another.

          • Charles

            Yeah, I have noticed this. Not just fish but even vegetables. 油菜 means different things depending where you are. Strange and counter productive.

      • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

        I was making a lighthearted remark to show how unscientific Chinese can be. Now go ask your colleges if a duck is a bird. I got laughed at by so many Chinese when I told them a duck is a bird… I said, it has feathers, wings, a beak, lays eggs, then it is a bird. They laughed, “birds don’t live on farms!” These people actually thought I was an idiot… how very unscientific of them.

        Anyone out there doubt me, then just ask your Chinese friends “Is a duck a bird?” And you’ll be amused by the common response and reasoning.

        • Charles

          And to make it even more interesting, ask them if ducks can fly. This one really cracked me up.

          • Gontraf

            Hahaha ! I shall always treasure the memory of my then girlfirend (now wife) who, as I drew her attention to a bunch of ducks in full flight, shouted with sheer suprise “HOLY SHIT!THEY CAN FLY!”.

            I stopped taking the piss after three years.

          • linette lee

            Ducks can migrate. They are good flyers. Some ducks are actually very pretty.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mandarin.duck.arp.jpg

            Mandarin duck

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Yeah, “ducks don’t fly” was one of the reasons they offered as to why ducks were not birds… lol!

        • BigJ

          I had this same arguement man. I was so shocked I could not even respond to them. If someone is that stupid, I feel no reason to explain it them. Just let them be……:)

        • ScottLoar

          You are talking to very ignorant people. Chinese ducks (like ducks everywhere else) do fly, Chinese poetry and song lyrics are full of examples, and the flight feathers are trimmed by those who keep ducks; this should be common knowledge. Ducks are known as that group called 飛禽 in Chinese, or “fowl” , and appearing in the lyrical phrase 飛禽走獸 or “fowls and beasts” (usually just 禽獸). Granted, I only asked a few Chinese, but the people you asked are just dumb, no excuses.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            I was talking to recent university graduates… that may qualify them as ignorant, or?

          • cynci

            chinese university grad….yes maybe

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            I’m sure any uneducated farmer would know “ducks can fly”, but they may not know if a duck is bird…

          • ScottLoar

            Skull-smacking, tongue-lolling, drooling ignoramuses; I don’t want to insult true idiots whose ignorance is not willful but an accident of birth.

          • cynic

            just a curiosity here, and i dont have the mandarin know how to answer it myself, but maybe when one translates bird from mandarin to english it is not the same as an english spoken person would understand the word bird. could that potentially be the cause of the problem? maybe bird in mandarin or their understanding of the english word bird is disconnected somehow.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Duck 鸭子 has the character for bird 鸟 in it. Perhaps there is a disconnect in China, but I am not willing to blame the language for this one…

          • Cynic

            maybe birds in china are for keeping and other fowl is for eating? do they consider a chicken as a bird?

          • ScottLoar

            Only in the sense that “bird” is generic and wild as compared to domesticated chickens, ducks, geese and turkeys which have set names. But, again, I suggest a larger gene pool of Chinese respondents.

        • linette lee

          The chinese you were talking to apparently don’t speak too much English. They will insist 鴨= duck and 鳥= bird. You should just tell them yes it’s true, but they are all considered belonging to the family of birds. They are all 鳥類.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hobey.hok Hobey Hok

          Yeah, same here. I always get a good laugh when my unscientific English native speaker friends keep telling me that the koala bear is a bear, and the jellyfish is a fish.

          • fabulous

            Yeah,same here.
            And when they say a teddy bear is a bear, and the Chicago Bulls are bulls.

          • elizabeth

            And hot dogs…dogs? Hehe…

        • anon

          I have NEVER encountered this. I’m not saying it isn’t possible but thinking Chinese people generally don’t recognize a duck as a bird is as stupid as any Chinese person who thinks a duck isn’t a bird.

          The only explanation I have for your experience(s) is that something was lost in translation or communication, or you have a habit for finding and then persistently interacting with really stupid people. University graduates can definitely be dumb especially in areas they may not have studied, or because they’re sheltered and lacking what we consider worldly knowledge or common sense, but there is so much evidence to the contrary that I could never point at Chinese people and say “they think ducks aren’t birds”. That’s like saying Americans think the planet is only 6000 years old. It’s so incredibly atypical an unrepresentative that it borders on malicious.

          Regarding why the Chinese name for alligators include the character for fish, as someone already mentioned, it’s just language (in this case, ideograms) reflecting ideas and concepts, albeit often imprecisely, especially when translated into another language. This is hardly unique to Chinese. As others have pointed out, English has words like “starfish, seahorse, jellyfish, koala bears and panda bears.” Even “bulldogs”.

          Trying to use these linguistic examples (not to mention other sensationalistic but not remotely representative phenomena) to comment on and broadening it to suggest something about the intelligence or how “scientific” a people are is ridiculous. That is not intelligence or scientific at all. It’s just ignorant and motivated by prejudice.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            It was just one part of the example, the others would be TCM, drinking deer blood and what not… Sure, not everyone thinks a duck is not a bird in China, but enough them do think that way for it to be common experience of foreigners (if you have read the posts that confirmed this). There’s lots of other examples that spring to mind, like the idea that opening the windows in winter while running the heater is healthy, or that drinking cold water is unhealthy, or eating and drinking cold things when women are on their period is unhealthy, or unplugging a stores freezer at night saves power, or that tapping the gas pedal while driving saves gas, or that pregnant women shouldn’t be around pets or livestock, or that pet dogs and cats will kill your newborn baby, or or or. The list is inexhaustible.

            You can’t tell me these things aren’t stereotypical y Chinese. I’ve spent time in at least 20 countries and majored in Anthropology, if I think people saying a duck isn’t a bird or any other patently ridiculous things listed above is definitive of average Chinese thinking and Chinese culture, then it probably is. It has nothing to do with prejudice.

          • anon

            If I accepted the comments on chinaSMACK by a self-selected group of commenters as being representative, I might think it was “common”. But as large as chinaSMACK is, it isn’t that large. I understand several of you have encountered a similar thing. I’m not criticizing you for finding such an experience remarkable or that some people think such a thing to be unbelievable from your perspective. I’m more disturbed by how consistently you take unrepresentative examples and then broaden them into some incredibly unfair and unintelligent comments about Chinese society overall. I still find it strange that someone who is as ostensibly well-read as you, who spent time in at least 20 countries, and majored in Anthropology, is so eager and consistent with really unsophisticated comments.

            I agree with you that there are a lot of old wives tales and superstitious practices in China and they’re often bandied about by the average Chinese person. I’m just not as willing to make the disparaging and derogatory extrapolations you make. Part of the reason is because there is so much that proves the opposite. I’m also not going to defend such comments by arguing that I’m probably right because my observations are coupled with a major in Anthropology.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Culture is my academic specialty thus it is important to establish the fact of my degree. Would you accept law advice from someone with an English degree for example Would their opinion be as informed as a law graduate? But pretty much anyone can have an opinion on culture without any background, right? The reason I mention my major is to make the point I have long been interested in culture and it was that interest that brought me to China in the first place. Also I mention it to point out I have more expertise in assessing culture than your average English major… not that I am always right of course.

            You wrote, “I’m just not as willing to make the disparaging and derogatory extrapolations you make.” I really don’t understand what you are getting at here?

            Old wives tales and the prevalence of their acceptance are the exact things Anthropologists study. They associate them with groups and therefore they become stereotypes. It doesn’t matter how many other competing beliefs may exist. Every Chinese person I asked about ducks said they were not birds, everyone who has given me a glass of water has given me a glass of hot water (they don’t even have water coolers in China, just water heaters you know), every Chinese person I know has told me that leaving the window open in winter is healthy, etc. etc. Believe it or not, I do know a lot of Chinese people, not everyone in China, but enough to form a stereotype that generally holds true. That is neither derogatory nor prejudice it’s scientific in the social science sense.

            If everyone thought like you, there’d be no way to differentiate between any of the world’s ethnic groups. If no one can say their stereotypes because a group member doesn’t fit them, there wouldn’t be any groups. But alas, most people are not thinking like you, they generalize and stereotype as normal people do. In fact, without this ability, you’d cease cerebral functioning altogether, which brings me to my second major, Psychology. ;)

            Now, what are people like where you are from? What are their beliefs? How do they think, act, and look? Without generalizations and stereotypes based on your own experience, you couldn’t answer those questions. Also, you would have no idea who you are.

            I live in a country, China, where not a 30 minute expanse of time passes (it seems) in public where someone does not comment that I am a “laowai”. I’ve never spent time in any other place where people so openly tell the outsider they are an outsider. Sometimes it’s just me and some local passing on an empty sidewalk or sharing an elevator and they look me in the face and say “laowai”. From my perspective they are rude and ignorant, and I can call them that if I so chose, as easily as they call me “laowai”. I can also conclude that in China, Chinese people feel it’s socially acceptable to loudly pronounce the plainly obvious. But more importantly, how can Chinese people or anyone else for that matter, turn on me and say I can’t generalize and stereotype about the millions around me? How can that be claimed when every inbred local feels the need to inform me that I am not part of their glorious “race”? ( For the record, I do not believe in race at all. Anyone who does, in my opinion, is a racist.)

            And think about it anon, without your own stereotypes and generalizations of what the word “Chinese” refers to, you would not be able to get upset at what I write. Also, it is your stereotype about what is positive or negative that determines how you feel about what I write. If I say “Chinese spit on the street” and you believe this is a good habit, I doubt you’d be offended or upset.

          • anon

            I disagree, your rationalization is neither scientific nor academic. I’m sorry you haven’t found water coolers. You’re not looking hard enough. This is bordering on being astounded that some places and societies sell milk at room temperature instead of the refrigerated dairy section. As I said before, you must be persisting in interacting with some really stupid people if you have not yet met a single Chinese person who recognizes ducks as birds. Given how unlikely that is, I’m more inclined to believe you’re just being dishonest for the convenience of your argument.

            There is a difference from making observations about societal trends and norms and broadening certain examples into derogatory dismissals of a people and society overall. You may think you’re merely doing the former but be kind enough to acknowledge that I disagree with you for the latter.

            However, I see now that at the end of the day, you’re bitter and resentful about being a novelty amongst the locals. All your anthropological training hasn’t prepared you for standing out in a largely homogenous society. Do our universities now teach us that it’s okay to do something wrong as long as others around us do it? Is it okay to make derogatory remarks just because others are ignorant or hateful enough to do so? So your defense of your comments here is ultimately: well, they do it too, so why can’t I?

            Let me see, because you dislike them for it? Why would you consciously engage in the same behavior your detest? Unless you’ve convinced yourself it’s somehow different when you do it?

            Can we put aside your laowai angst and get back to focusing on the
            scientific and academic? Befitting an anthropologist educated in a
            Western university? Or is it only okay if it can be used to defend your derogatory opinions but not challenge them? Are your comments the result of your anthropological
            education or the result of being upset you can’t go 30 minutes without a
            Chinese local calling you “laowai”? Let me guess, both? Okay, I can’t change
            your existential angst, but can we discuss whether your comments do your
            Western university anthropological education justice?

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            I think you missed my point… Your judgment that my comments are derogatory is based on your own belief about me, not on the comments you judge. Anyway, my original post was meant to be humorous, a fact that has clearly escaped you.

          • anon

            Humorous? You’re now arguing that your comments were all meant in jest? That you deriding the Chinese as “indeed a backward and befuddled nation” for drinking deer blood from hacked off antlers, sopping up blood from beheaded convicts, linguistically classifying an alligator a fish, and not getting around to having greater legal protection for domestic pets was you just trying to be funny?

            Please don’t be dishonest. I’m willing to believe you find Chinese linguistics funny in their seemingly illogical differences with English, but I doubt you find these other things merely “humorous”. Least of all the “inbred locals” who drive you mad reminding you that you’re not part of their “glorious race”.

            The fact is that China can indeed be a backwards place with backwards people harboring backwards notions, but two of your reasons are sensationalist and patently unrepresentative, one is just linguistic ethnocentricism, and the last one is misrepresenting the friction between bleeding-heart animals cuddlers and people who think them hypocritical and self-righteous. If you have the conviction to post what you do, have the conviction to not disown them “oh I was joking” the moment they become inconvenient for you.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Reading glasses, that’s what you lack. I clearly state: “I was making a lighthearted remark to show how unscientific Chinese can be.”

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            I could write a remark to show how complacent Canadians can be… but I don’t feel like it ;o)

          • anon

            Yes, Christina made a comment about the alligator and fish part of your initial comment. You responded to her saying that was just a lighthearted remark. My comments address more than just that. They address the entirety of your initial comment, not just the alligator part that Christina brought up and you declared a lighthearted remark, as well as your subsequent testimony about birds and ducks.

            I’m not criticizing you for finding such an experience (Chinese university graduates who refuse to believe a duck is a bird) remarkable or that some people think such a thing (that ducks are not birds) to be unbelievable from your perspective. I’m more disturbed by how consistently you take unrepresentative examples and then broaden them into some incredibly unfair and unintelligent comments about Chinese society overall.

            I’m disturbed by Chinese people who take unrepresentative examples of Western countries and broaden them into unfair and unintelligent comments about Western society. I view Westerners doing the same thing the same way. I know it is done by a lot of people everywhere but that doesn’t make it any less unpleasant at best and obnoxious at worst.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Actually the whole thing was more or less lighthearted…

        • elizabeth

          It could be the language. They may not classify flying birds in the same category with ‘grounded’ ones. That’s not strange, not when some nationalities call a woman a chick, or even worse, a body part as a bird. I think there is a generic term for ‘birds’ that mean ‘flying species’ aka 飞群 or something.

    • Cynic

      beheaded convicts blood really? Can u send me a link. Would live to read about that.

      • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

        It was common until the end of the Qing Dynasty for the spectators at public executions, often be headings to soak up the victim’s blood in bread and eat it as a form of TCM. According to the book “Hungry Ghosts: Mao’s Secret Famine”, such practices were revived during the darkest times of Mao’s rule… Eating the heart of your enemy is also a TCM thing that even Confucius highly recommended, which during the Cultural Revolution also occurred.

        You may want to check this site out: http://www.johngittings.com/id47.html

        To my knowledge, eating human flesh and or drinking human blood is still not illegal in the PRC and is still practiced to some extent. I recall that scandal a year or so ago where hospital staff at a Chinese hospital were dining on aborted fetuses… In fact KoreaBang ran a story covering the human fetus medicine capsule fiasco here: http://www.koreabang.com/2012/stories/customs-seize-pills-containing-dead-baby-powder-netizens-react.html

        • anon

          You have an uncanny knack for misrepresenting the taboo and sensationalist exceptions as somehow commonplace and widespread when it comes to Chinese people, and excluding all of the relevant context.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Saying cannibalism has been historically accepted in China does not require a stretch of the imagination. Read the chapter on cannibalism in Hungry Ghosts. The researchers providing the info are Chinese if you didn’t know. Anyway, it has probably happened everywhere, not just China, but only China has the TCM belief about drinking convicts blood, and only China has produced a great cultural leader that advocated eating the flesh of one’s enemies, and only China has been caught making “medicine” from aborted fetuses… Correct me if I am wrong.

          • anon

            No, it doesn’t require a stretch of the imagination for anyone who is willing to believe the worst about the “other”.

            Cannibalism has never been historically accepted by any widespread proportion of the population. There’s a reason why cannibalism is considered a universal taboo, because it has been regarded as wrong and is not practiced by the vast majority of people in just about every major civilization and society.

            Vengeance cannibalism is not unique to China. Hardly. Weird superstitious uses of human ingredients (especially placenta) is also not unique to China. Think hoodoo. That you took a sensationalist SBS “documentary” that can’t be corroborated as gospel evidences a remarkable lack of critical thinking. Did you ever stop for a moment to require more proof and third-party investigations into the claims that “documentary” made? There are limits to how much you can broaden these things to an entire people and society. Not a single one of these researcher would disagree with anything I have said. Why? Because you’re taking their work out of context and using it to fuel certain derogatory remarks.

            You’re an anthropology major. Didn’t they go over these basic tenets about being careful with how you extrapolate such information onto a people and culture in your introductory course? Have things changed that much since I went to university?

          • Cynic

            Did u read kopykatkilkers first link?

          • anon

            @KopyKatKiller:disqus Oh dear, you referenced the Korean story about fetus pills and you don’t even know about the SBS documentary that spawned it? You even linked to the koreaBANG story and still don’t know about the SBS documentary?

            @disqus_W8kQDUIRLe:disqus Yes, I’ve read it before. That’s why I say KKK is taking things out of context. Did you read it? Fully? This stuff still happens in certain places of the world, notably Africa in civil wars. This isn’t news. Did you note when this was published? There are reasons why the Cultural Revolution is widely (especially outside of China) known for atrocities and horrors. There’s a substantial difference in sophistication and nuance between what KKK linked to and what KKK is saying.

          • Cynic

            Yes I had read the entire article. I noticed at the time of reading that it was published in 1993. Haven’t subsequently checked though. So what is KKK saying?

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            I was looking for the eating of aborted babies, and came across that one. i have no idea bout the documentary you reference.

            What’s the difference, I’m not saying anything that isn’t said in dozens of publications. That is how I learned about them after-all.

            I think you’ve decided I am a racist cunt and no matter what I write you’ll jam it into your preconceived notion. Is that about right?

          • anon

            So you have a habit of linking to things citing them as supporting evidence to your comments without actually reading them?

            So you started off thinking Chinese eat aborted babies and then sought out information online to validate it?

            I can find anything on the internet. Critical thinking is what should happen before I broaden certain unrepresentative instances into derogatory commentary about an entire people or nation.

            I have no problems saying Chinese people can be a superstitious lot who still believe in old wives tales and folk remedies. But is that all you’re saying?

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            I read the story, yes. Why would you think I didn’t?

            There was a story in the news, just not on this network, I wanted to link to a similar topic here to make a point.

            Anyway, it’s late, but here’s a different article to read:
            http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/rights-so-divine/2012/may/10/chinese-cannibalism-infant-flesh-outrages-world/

            “I have no problems saying Chinese people can be a superstitious lot who still believe in old wives tales and folk remedies. But is that all you’re saying?”

            No, what I was saying was that in traditional Chinese medicine, drinking the blood of beheaded convicts served a medicinal purpose. If my book was not out on loan, I could direct you to the researcher who’s work is cited in the book. Since I can’t, might I suggest you go buy a copy and read it yourself? If you are not capable of doing that because of your nationality and location, I’d be happy to loan you mine once it is returned.

            And as far as your repeated derogatory insinuations that I am somehow deficient in critical thinking skills, I can assure you I couldn’t have graduated without a distinct degree of ability in this department. And might I also point out, that generally you are not addressing the points I raise but instead making assumptions about me personally and running with those tangents instead. If you are a university student now, I suggest you take a basic philosophy course in logic. You and those whom you seek to argue with will be glad you did! :D

            Good Night

          • anon

            How could you have read the story and not know about the SBS “documentary”? It was a major part of the story. It’s literally in the links you cite and the links they cite. Most of the “details” of the story are from the SBS “documentary”. All of the English media reports all cite the same source for their information, except some like The Daily Mail embellished and sensationalized it even further.

            Not a single one of them did any investigative reporting of their own. They all took the sensationalist “documentary” as fact, a single source of hearsay. This is why critical thinking skills is taught in Western education, because of how readily people buy into these things and accept things based upon preconceived notions.
            I can’t believe you’re trying to suggest that I’m a Chinese national. That’s simply pathetic and desperate. Is that how you respond to disagreement and criticism? Accuse the other person of being Chinese?

            If you can run into Chinese university graduates who believe ducks are not birds, I’m not about to argue that I can’t run into Western university graduates who are deficient in critical thinking skills or conveniently fail to use them in certain situations.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Now you are upset and claiming I called you “Chinese”. Will wonders ever cease? All I meant was, if you can get a copy of the book, do so, if you can’t because of repressive state, I’ll loan you mine.

            A couple reports here: http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/china.html
            I’m not saying they are 100% accurate, just saying there are reports and it was common enough before and after the CCP occupied China. And in particular, I was referring to “convicts blood” being consumed as a form of TCM, which is in fact, very relevant to the topic at hand.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            “That you took a sensationalist SBS “documentary” that can’t be corroborated as gospel evidences a remarkable lack of critical thinking. Did you ever stop for a moment to require more proof and third-party investigations into the claims that “documentary” made?”
            What are you talking about? Documentary? What documentary???

            I was talking about this book: http://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Ghosts-Maos-Secret-Famine/dp/0805056688
            Reviewed in the New York Times here: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/05/books/horror-of-a-hidden-chinese-famine.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

        • Kai

          To my knowledge, eating human flesh and or drinking human blood is still not illegal in the PRC and is still practiced to some extent.

          I feel like this comment is a little dishonest and I have to say something. On one hand, you pass yourself off as being very knowledgeable on cannibalism in China, citing this book and that book, but on the other hand you try to suggest that cannibalism is somehow legally condoned.

          As a matter of fact, eating human flesh and drinking human blood is not illegal in many places including the United States, Canada, Japan, or the UK. Don’t believe me? Look it up. What is illegal is murder for the consumption of human flesh or drinking of blood. Jeffrey Dahmer? Convicted on multiple counts of murder, not cannibalism or the consumption of human flesh itself.

          Just awhile ago there was a Japanese transsexual promoting online that he was going to cook up his surgically removed penis and testicles for interested parties to eat. It created a controversy, people complained to the police, but it was legal and the police didn’t intervene. The event went ahead, quite a few people participated and posted their experiences online. Media reported about the entire affair.

          The remark “practiced to some extent” is also questionable, because I could say necrophilia and pedophilia is “still practiced to some extent” in the United States and it still gives the majority of people reading it the wrong impression. Semantically, it’s technically true, but you can’t pretend to not know how suggestive it it can be.

          That just isn’t cool. There are tons of things considered extremely deviant by mainstream society in this world that are “still practiced to some extent” by extremely small minorities in those societies, and you can be very confident that the people you label that behavior with will think you’re being a dick for even saying it.

    • A Lu

      that not only happens when it comes to science: like translating as 面包anything from real bread (hard to find) to sweet cakes which would never be associated with bread. or using 饼for both sweet ones or salty ones (which actually taste more like bread).
      it’s just confusing, and interesting

      • A Lu

        and i forgot 油, which can be anything from oil to petrol to butter.
        it’s all about getting used to it, like it or not

        • China_Aussie_Bull_Bear

          yep & nope
          In english how many different types of Chinese foods just get translated to ‘bun’ or ‘fried noodles’

          • fabulous

            How many of those dishes actually are fried noodles?

  • BigJ

    Venison is my favorite type of meat. I shoot them all the time in Nova Scotia. Fry some deer meat with some onions with mash potatoes….oh man…so fucking good. And when you shoot your own meat its free:) I have a few apple trees on my property and in the morning they will go there to eat. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t shoot them for fun. When I eat one deer I go shoot another.About 1 every 3 months. So if eating deer makes you live longer….well i’m going to live to be about 400. :)

    • Cynic

      congeal their blood into cubes and then use that in hot pot. probably yummy.

    • ScottLoar

      Agreed, among North American game whitetail deer (not mule deer) is only second to buffalo as my favourite, then comes quail, but I like almost all of it save elk and moose which to me have strong taste of liver.

      Roast the deer, please, and mash the potatoes with parsnip (or turnip as a substitute) with a bit of wasabi mixed in. For hash browns or braised red cabbage I use duck or goose fat; did so for years as all the breakfast guest would always wonder why the hash browns were so good.

      If I told them the truth they’d have keeled over.

    • China_Aussie_Bull_Bear

      next time cut the antlers of and drink the blood…
      …LIKE A BOSS!

  • MrT

    Vampire land, what with the biting and blood drinking.

  • Gay_Chevara

    I seriously think that ChinaSmack needs no comments permission for members. What comment does one need to make about this that is any different to what 99% of all other comments could possibly be?

    • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

      Mine was pretty good though…

  • Snazzy_Brett

    I remember reading an article a while back where a tourist said that “Deer blood is the diamond of all bloods”.

    Glad to see the netizens have their heads about them.

  • BigJ

    why is my comment not showing?

    • Cynic

      Something fishy is going on here. Either that or their is some iPhone incompatibility issues for me. I tried to reply to copycats post about drinking beheaded blood. The comment was hidden. It said due to reported abuse. Then the comment was no longer hidden but gone. I also tried to post about boys piss supposedly being healthy to consume. I saw my comment then it was gone. I hope this is a technical error and not moderation. That would suck.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ chinaSMACK

        We found your comments in the spam folder. We’re going to go through them and try to figure out what happened. We didn’t receive nor do we see any notifications on our moderation dashboard about comments being flagged as inappropriate, so we’re not clear about what’s going on. We do see one comment here by you that says “Comment hidden due to abuse reports. Show comment.”

        At a glance, we’re seeing a lot of legitimate comments in the spam folder though a lot of them are also because of links. Our preliminary guess is that Disqus spam filters are responsible but we’re not sure. We’re going to go through the comments now.

        • Cynic

          Thanks. Thats reassuring to know. Glad you are so on top and devoted to working the kinks out.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ chinaSMACK

            We’ve just cleared out the spam folder of legitimate comments or “false positives”. To be honest, we’re still unsure as to how they got there. Moderators have the option to mark a comment as spam (which probably “teach” the Disqus filters what is spam) but none of us have marked any comments as spam yet. More confusing are the reports of comments being hidden due to abuse reports because we haven’t been notified of any such thing. We’ve now edited our settings to be notified of when a comment is marked as spam so we’ll continue to observe this issue.

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          • BigJ

            I tip my hat to you guys. Good job, I hope you can get that sorted out without too much trouble.

          • http://www.kalanstar.com/ KopyKatKiller

            Links are automatically held by disqus. Also edit attempts also seem to be held.I had a comment disappear about why I like to ride the metro because I edited it.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ chinaSMACK

            We don’t have the links be held setting turned on, and if they were, they should go in the Pending folder, not the Spam folder. The editing theory doesn’t seem true either. Either way, please contact us directly if you experience problems in the future. It’ll be faster than waiting for us to see your comment.

          • BigJ

            Yeah sorry about that, I thought it was the content or it was picking up on key words and blocking it. So i tried to reword it a bit. :) sorry about that.

  • moldavidian

    Developing country? Not according to this article. When people are ready to be civilized, this kind of shit will stop but i guess there are still people who want to live and behave like barbarians. Whatta ya gonna do? How can we stop these murderers?

  • BigJ

    I think you’re better off going to witch doctor or a shaman then a Chinese doctor.

  • Alex

    Oh Deer….

  • A Lu

    I always lol when i see something like 科学发展 on the streets, and my chinese friends can’t help lolling too…
    then you read something like this, again, and you just wonder why they waste money printing those billboards

    • anon

      Because over time, they actually do help, like most public awareness campaigns. Repetition, repetition, repetition.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    GAaaahh. That picture of antlers sawing is just so… graphic. Maybe I’m just too softhearted towards animals, but that really made me cringe.

    I don’t want to write this off as just “another bullshit Chinese alternative medicine” thing, but I can’t see any way out of it. As a kid, my parents would also buy into some forms of alternative medicine from China… I always laughed and scathingly put down their ideas. As I grew older, I gained more perspective and patience, attempting to reason with them to disregard so-called “eastern medicine” gently. This article just brought back a lot of bad feelings about this topic…

    Sometimes, we just can’t help how the older generation of Chinese people think…

  • http://www.facebook.com/andyfox1979 Andy Fox

    the comments are really genteel since the change. Good sir, I disagree with you on this point however we cannot always agree! cheers to you my friend.

  • Nick in Beijing

    I’d be willing to bet that these same people who spent what is likely ludicrous amounts of money on this sham also do things like smoking a pack and a half of Chinese cigs a day (while jogging in the park even), eating food composed primarily of oil and pollution, get wasted on cheap beer and baijiu regularly, and veg on the couch to watch WW2 soaps all evening.

    And Chinese cigarettes! MY hell are those ever scary. Went back to my hometown with my ex (a Beinger who smoked a lot), and she and my dad were on the porch having a cig, when my dad ran out he bummed one of hers. Took one drag, went blue in the face for a moment, coughed up a hairball, put it out, and went back into the house to contemplate his life.

    • China_Aussie_Bull_Bear

      I like the new title ‘Beinger’ – implies a Chinese vitality unique to the North
      “Beinger”

    • jin

      when i get back from china, i always buy some yu xi cigarettes, and i shared it with some of my dutch friends, some liked it some didnt, but nobody turned blue….

  • Cynic

    Young boys piss is also supposedly good for your health. I wonder if it’s marketable.

    • CND Icehole

      When I lived in Da Hu Taiwan the old locals would drink young boy piss mixed with tea. Young boys were also told to pee in the strawberry fields to make the strawberries “better”

      • Cynic

        Yah i think it is fucked. one of my earlier memories was having to pee in a jug at my grandmothers request. this was odd to me since i was used to peeing in the toilet bowl. I mean, who wants to save piss, (guess granny did) it just didnt feel correct to not see it swirl away. anyhow, i think my parents caught on and put an end to it. I’m glad there is no folk lore about consuming feces, it would have fucked me up to have had to shit into a bowl.

        • ScottLoar

          Your grandmother may have used that piss, ammonia, for the wash and as a bleaching agent. She may have used it for the garden; again, ammonia. Please, where was she from – where did she grow up – your Granny?

          • Cynic

            actually i’m not sure. assuming some place in russia near the chinese border on the east. she relocated to harbin probably in her teens.

  • Gontraf

    Chinese traditional medicine, homeopathy, witch doctors… It’s really hard to find something funny to write on the subject. Let’s make it educative instead.

    In my youth I got a summer job in a homoepathy products factory… I could write volumes about homeopathy but you’ve probably read it all before so I shall entertain you with the tale of Apis Mellifica and how it’s made. Apis Mellifica, if my memory does not fail me, is a homeopathy treatment for insect bites and stings. Bees have been known to sting people and therefore homeopathy says they can be used to cure this most dreadful ailment.

    But how do you extract the essence of beeness and how do you make it into a readily swallowable pill or applicable ointment? I know how, because I did it one fateful afternoon in August 2003.

    I was assigned to the processing of a 100 L drum filled with 50 L of 60 v/v% alcohol and 2 kg of bees. The bees weren’t doing too good by the time I met them, having died their inebriated death. At least I hope they had a decent craic before buzzing off to beeven. Anyway, I was given the aforementioned drum and shown to a huge vice-like device, the purpose of which was rapidly dawning on my poor tormented soul. I then proceeded to crush the alcohol drenched little things and collect the juice thus expelled from their broken bodies. It took some time, 2 kg is an awful lot of bees.

    The resulting alcohol suspension of bee insides was then filtered and I obtained a clear solution of beeness, all ready to be diluted into nothingness and sold as Apis Mellifica to holiday goers and nature lovers all over the world.

    I was told a little while later that the same process is used in the preparation of mole-based products, apparently used to treat eye symptoms.

    • Rick in China

      Your response is awesome. I don’t know if you’re taking the piss with your story or just the last line, but it absolutely imitates the “no,really-I-believe-this-works” mentality many lacking any scientific background exhibit.

      This is the same “rational thought” as to why many Chinese believe eating fish eyes fixes sight issues, coagulated duck’s blood cleanses one’s blood, pig hooves in soup soften the skin, or pig brains heals mental issues/increases intellect.

      I’d say that based on the above, eating pig’s brain does absolutely have an effect similar to what Chinese believe, but rather than increase intellect, it makes their brain function much like most pig brains — lets roll around in our own (bull)shit and make noise.

    • anon

      I’m reminded of Perfume: The Story of a Murderer

  • glenn

    first step to become Chinese Vampires…

    sick (T_T)

  • Massi

    All this pain to animals for just think can be real what will be happen if do it.. leave to me the only feeling of how the education limit make human more bad than beast.

  • Charles

    I don’t understand why this upsets people so much. I eat meat nearly every day so I really don’t particularly care about cruelty to animals… as long as they are not being senselessly tortured.

    However, that said, this is just stupid. Foreigners look down on Chinese – not only because of racism – but also because of the backward mentality so many people have here. When people still believe in a medical philosophy that has no significant scientific basis and accept it as fact… well I guess this is the kind of nonsense that happens.

    • bert

      You mean people look down on Chinese because Chinese are racist to others? Yes, I’ll agree with that. It is the only possible meaning you have because Chinese are not a race.

      • hun

        no one curr about being politically correct, some “chinese” even refer to themselves as “chinese” instead of han or some other shit

    • elizabeth

      “…as long as they are not being senselessly tortured”…which is not the case here. That’s why it’s upsetting.

    • BigJ

      A Chinese person told me once “The difference between Chinese and Western medicine is western medicine can be proven to work, Chinese medicine can not” I think he was on to something. To me Chinese medicine is like a placebo. It’s like Peter Pan, just think happy thoughts and he can fly. It’s all in your mind.

  • whiskersthecat

    And just in time for this weekend’s early doe season here in Arkansas! Perfect timing, Chinasmack.

  • Fraser Stewart

    Send in James Randi to debunk it. If they’re so confident it works why not apply for the Jref 1 million dollar challenge? C’mon, they’re Chinese, they can’t say they don’t want the money!

  • Fire

    The insane and the genius goes hand in hand. The logical stand in awe, disgust or confusion.

  • hun

    Who the hell would wanna prolong their life living in China.

    • Irvin

      The ones who just got their immigration visa to other countries.

    • http://www.facebook.com/roger.lam.98 Roger Lam

      Haha. Though I think people are just trying to counteract the affect of breathing in toxic atmosphere day in and day out.

    • China_Aussie_Bull_Bear

      Lmao
      …now time to go google some pictures of people vamperically sucking blood off antlers

  • Irvin

    Everyone wants to live forever, that’s just human nature; except people who works at foxconn. Only when one truly accept the beauty of death; that every journey, good or bad has an end, can they truly really live without fear.

  • The Enlightened One

    “Stupid is what stupid does” – A man more intelligent than these asshats

  • The Enlightened One

    Why do my comments keep dissapearing, how annoying!

    • BigJ

      Chinasmack knows about it. They are trying to fix it. Same thing was happening to me.

  • elizabeth

    Suckers. Literally. Don’t they get nightmares witnessing the cruelty? Perhaps the only thing that would stop them would be a pair of antlers growing out of someone’s head due to genetic mutation.

  • BigJ

    I think after we drink the blood of the deer, we should sacrifice a few small animals to see if we can make it rain. Then after we make it rain we can do some fire cupping to get all the bad vibes and toxins out of body. And for all you woman out there, never drink cold water on you period…..that’s a big no no.

    • diverdude7

      thanks for pointing out my pet-peeve. frickin asinine fire-cupping !! just pisses me off to see those little kids with bruises all over their bodies because some ‘tard thinks it’s good for them….
      some ‘peeps are just too stoopid to have been issued a Birth Certificate.

  • http://profiles.google.com/vic.ching victor ching

    I don’t know the medicinal value of deer blood, but if you trank a deer and drink the blood right away, aren’t you drinking the tranquilizer too?

    • the ace of books

      This. In one end and out another.

  • c

    god these gooks are so disgusting. first piss eggs and now deer blood

    • Cynic

      I don’t think gooks is the appropriate racist title. If you want a little eccentricity try zipper head.

  • http://www.facebook.com/LilB00B00 Freddi BuBu

    Any particular reason why it’s eyes are covered? Perhaps so it doesn’t go after you in the afterlife….???

  • MidniteOwl

    i believe a certain Chinese emperor in his search for longevity drank mercury… I guess that was just a trend.

  • Dan

    I’m really glad the Chinese comments are slamming this. This is just awful. Fell ill/annoyed seeing that pic man.

  • andiwatt
    • anon

      Interesting, so some Russians are getting in on the trade. Tragic for the deer. They claim there are no nerves in the antlers and that it’s just a “deep scratch” feeling. The comments on that site are also amusing.

  • Fraser Stewart

    People often ask “what’s the harm?”. Well, imagine the following situation. A parent who believes that something like this can cure illness has a child with a serious illness. Rather than taking the child to a hospital to be treated properly, she gives the child this bullshit medicine. The child, having been neglected real treatment, gets worse and worse, until eventually even proper medicine won’t save it.

    If you think that sounds far fetched, read this website.

    http://whatstheharm.net/

  • Sean

    I am so so so so glad I was not born and raised in China.

  • http://profiles.google.com/tjharrell14 Timothy Harrell

    The Chinese are the dumbest “people” on earth. They fall for all these old wives tales, regardless of how primitive, barbaric or unproven. In the local liquor store, they have “specially made 3 penis wine”, which the Chinese think makes them virile. So they go around chopping off animal whangers and drink alcohol made from the juice. Brilliant minds here in Mao’s fun factory.

    • elizabeth

      Since reference is made to people on “earth”, Chinese aren’t the only ones who fall for old wives tales, in which case, based on your logic, anyone on earth who fall for those tales are the dumbest “people” on earth.

      Obviously too, not all Chinese fall for such things, but because you have singled out the Chinese as the dumbest, it is safe to conclude you are prejudiced against the Chinese.

      • http://profiles.google.com/tjharrell14 Timothy Harrell

        I lived in China for four years. I can’t be completely prejudiced since I am married to a Chinese. I have travelled to many places and I have never seen a more ignorant society, although possibly one exists somewhere. Excuse me, animal cruelty really pisses me off.

  • RAWR

    Human stupidity and ignorance is everywhere. Homeopathy (aka bullsht diluted water therapy) is widespread in America. Some TCM works, but many do not and the reasoning behind why they work is bad.

  • Cynical

    I see the longevity and health promoting blood did the now mutilated deer a lot of good…

  • kodiavila

    Silly superstitious mystics. I encouraged a girl to eat icecream during menstration the other day, “incase you are not familiar with the Chinese popular belief that eating cold things, spicy things, or numerous other items while menstrating will somehow hurt the female body.” After having the icecream the girls stomach was soothed and she was confused as to why she was not feeling the adverse side affects that her elders had warned her about. It is amazing how unwilling to challenge conventional wisdom or even ask questions some people are. “Harmonious Society” or “Self Prohibitive Society” ?

  • just passing by

    is everyone writing here a vegetarian? ever had a burger? or deer is cuter than cows? think of them as free range cows that actually eat good stuff and breath fresh air unlike the actual cows eating corn and rendered road kill and other cows. seriously how much more barbaric is drinking blood from the antler than eating a burger or cutting into medium rare AAA steak? must be the Bambi thing. antler blood actually is a health tonic, but probably not as efficacious as the marketers would lead you to believe. is it more “humane” to cut the antler and let the creature live or keep it in a pen feed it on crap and hormones and then once it’s fat kill it. How`s one thing an abuse and the other is not. Until one becomes a vegan he should be careful about throwing accusations of `barbarism`, especially not knowing diddly squat about growing, harvesting deer products. and this has nothing to do with china as this is not the only place where deer live. granted it`s not pleasing to watch what`s going on but have you ever seen what`s happening inside a slaughterhouse? until you do hold back on ‘animal abuse’ comments.

    • BigJ

      I don’t think it so much about killing or harming animals as it is why they are doing it. If you have to drink blood for protien or what not then thats cool i guess. I think the point is why they drink it. It’s kind of like saying if I eat chicken then it can turn my eyes purple. It’s just superstition.

      As for killing animals, I’ve killed many deer in my life but it’s for food. And hanging antlers on your wall looks pretty cool. I don’t really care if the deer does feel pain from cutting the antlers off, It’s just the reason for doing it i guess. To magically make you live longer? I don’t think its barbaric or anything. To me it seems drinking blood and thinking it will make you live longer is just silly.

      I know some for some people its all about the animals feelings. And thats fine i guess.

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