Porsche Buyer Demands Refund, Beseiges Dealership with Protest

A crowd of Chinese protesters beseige a Porsche car dealership and showroom in Shenzhen, China following a falling out between an owner and the brand over the return of a lemon Porsche Cayenne.

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Porsche accused of “quality problems”, denounced by hundreds of protestors besieging showroom

Earlier this month, the official Porsche store in Shenzhen was met with protest from over a hundred people. This incident stemmed from a Porsche owner surnamed Mei who after experienced serious quality problems just 2 months after purchasing a high-end Porsche car. According to the car owner, he nearly lost his life twice. Therefore he had to use such vigorous form of protest so that other Porsche owners will pay attention to this issue to safeguard their own safety and to prevent loss of property. At the same time, he wants to strongly protest Porsche’s lack of action regarding the handling of this issue.

Serious quality problems with a 2.7 million RMB car?

According to the car owner, within 2 month of purchasing the Porsche, his car had consistent system failures, brake failures on highways and other serious quality problems, “I almost lost my life,” said the owner of the car. After discovering the problems, the car owner and 4S store agreed to repairs, but the same issues persisted after three repairs, not solve any of the hidden dangers. According to the car owner, Porsche did not provide an explanation regarding the technical issues, and he himself does not understand the technical issues, and both sides began discussing returning the vehicle. To this day, regarding the quality issues of the Porsche, the car owner continues to speak out, while Porsche refused to comment when met by television reporters.

Twists and turns in the process of returning the car, Porsche requiring a confidential agreement, and many suspicious aspects of Porsche’s “Quality-gate”

After discussion, Porsche at first said that he could not return the car but only exchange for another. However, the owner strongly demanded to return the car as he has already lost all faith in Porsche’s quality and safety. After prolonged discussion, Porsche agreed to the unconditional return of the car but with the prerequisite that both sides must sign a confidentiality agreement, requiring the owner to not reveal the problems with the car and the details of the settlement. The owner was filled with suspicion: A world-renown automobile brand actually demanding confidentiality preventing him from disclose Porsche quality problems? But considering that his problem can finally be resolved, the owner did not press the issue further.

A crowd of Chinese protesters beseige a Porsche car dealership and showroom in Shenzhen, China following a falling out between an owner and the brand over the return and refund of a Porsche Cayenne SUV allegedly stricken with quality and safety problems.

Porsche tears up the agreement, both sides turn on each other, inciting them to “defend their rights to the end”!

After both parties agreed to the contents of the settlement, Porsche drafted the agreement, stamped it with their company seal and delivered it into the hands of the car owner for the car owner to sign and complete the agreement. The details of the two parties’ settlement were: Under condition of the car owner maintaining confidentiality, Porsche will unconditionally accept the return of the vehicle. Just as everyone thought everything was settled and within 3 hours of Porsche stamping the agreement and handing it over to the car owner, Porsche suddenly notified him: unconditional refund of the car not possible, superiors do not agree! This completely enraged the car owner surnamed Mei, becoming the trigger for this incident.

Porsche reneges on agreement and refuses to provide an explanation. Car owner and hundreds of people besiege the 4S store, fiercely fighting for their rights.

2012 January 1st, after the dissolution of the agreement between the two parties, the car owner took action, besieging the 4S store, inviting TV media for interviews, explaining what happened, while producing the confidentiality agreement and vehicle return agreement drafted and signed by Porsche and records of the three repairs to prove that Porsche did not keep their word, went back on what was promised, and at the same time publicizing the possible major quality problems in Porsches! The owner also declared he would “defend his rights to the end”! Porsche meanwhile stuck to their position of “the matter is currently under consultation and resolution” to avoid all questions about quality issues, safety issues, integrity issues, agreement issues, confidentiality issues…

Is it loopholes in the laws or is it consumer discrimination?

In recent years, there have been many automobile quality problems, but due to the complexity and sensitivity dealing with legal recognition of quality issues in the auto industry, there had been many incidents such as Toyota’s “brake pedal gate” and other cases, but these incidents were only brought to public attention and proven after they caused significant losses. In other instances, many automakers out of business interest would almost always initially refute or hide [the problems], and only when they can no longer hide the fact will they apologize for the issue. Generally speaking, in developed countries, the emphasis on quality issues and the consumer protection is a world apart from the situation in China. Therefore, the car owner thinks if this type of incident happened in Germany or America, Porsche would never handle the incident in this manner. In China, they can be dishonest, they can go back on their words, they can ignore the safety and property of the Chinese consumers, because they are prejudiced against the Chinese consumers, a sort of blatant brand prejudice! So as a Chinese person, even in the face of a large international brand such as Porsche, he must defend his rights to the end!

How will this consumer rights action end? When will Porsche come clean? Perhaps the greatest question dealing with this incident is what happened to automakers’ conscience and credibility, and whether China’s consumers have received the respect and treatment that they deserve?

A black Porsche Cayenne SUV on a flatbed truck with banners hung on it by its owner who claims it has serious quality and safety problems and wants a refund from Porsche.

Comments on NetEase:

最爱懒床:

Let Porsche know that Chinese people are not that easily provoked.

江山如画笔:

I hope the car owner can find a satisfactory answer.

悲伤9月17号:

Nowadays there are products with quality problems everywhere… I didn’t expect cars would too.

海之繁花:

I nearly bought a Porsche, good thing I saw this post.

我要捡钱:

Porsche out of China…out of Asia.

任意一个:

If Porsche plans to stay in China, they better resolve the issue sooner than later.

那一半心:

Domestic car [manufacturers], hurry and take over Porsche’s market share.

万无一失有:

Porsche, have you considered how wise it is to piss off someone who can afford a 2.7 million RMB car?

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  1. 1. Car owner fiddled with the car.
    2. Extreme lack of professionalism of 4S store. Porshe would know better to whom they can trust sales of their cars.

    • I agree, this sounds like a dealership problem. If the car is actually a lemon then it should be replaced or a full refund given which would hurt the dealership’s profit. Greed trumps customer service, a true Chinese trait…..

    • Nowadays, a lot of these high-end 4s shop nominations are given to candidates that 1. have the best gov’t connections (therefore the best land) 2. Pay tens of millions of rmb to in bribes to network development personnel.

      Whether or not they actually know anything about how to run 4s shop is completely irrelevant. The second hand car market now is completely filled with models from a certain new (to China) high-end brand because owners are fed up with incompetent 4s stores not being able to resolve their issues despite repeated visits and incredible repair costs.

  2. Not really feeling a lot of empathy for owner of 3 million yuan car.

    • Totally agree.
      In fact I would just enjoy watching the fight between that guy and the dealers.

      • And its an awful car as well. A Porsche Cayenne? FFS if you buy a Porsche buy a 911. There are a ton of crappy crossover SUVs like the Cayenne at a fraction of the price.

        In Hong Kong I see a ton of those Cayenne. It just makes me think more money then brains.

  3. A dodgy Cayenne? Serves him right for not buying a real Porsche.

  4. What model Porsche costs 2.7M RMB?

    Probably not a real Porsche, probably a cheap Chinese knockoff sold as the real thing – hence the problems.

  5. I reckon it was his mistress cutting the brake line and waiting to cash in on all of those life insurance policies. He forced her to make do with a 2 million RMB Aston Martin.

  6. There’s no “Lemon Law” in China? … Sounds fishy??

  7. Typical Chinese pesant behavior.

    Love the comment up top “Porsche out of China…out of Asia”

  8. Even better “Porsche, have you considered how wise it is to piss off someone who can afford a 2.7 million RMB car?”

    Listen Chang, 2.7 RMB doesn’t mean shit…

    • Porsche SE is the company that bought a majority interest in Volkswagen for the hell of it and didn’t even bother to make a takeover bid. I’m sure it’s really impressed with his mad moneys.

  9. Probably getting his own medicine. It’s not easy earning that kind of money in China legit style. Not saying its not possible but from my 4 years being here, it very hard.

    What I always say to people that complain these incidents is: Welcome to China. I bought a Sony NEX 5n yesterday thinking I’d save a few hundred RMB by going to taobao and finding a seller with many sales. Found a local dealer and asked many questions before I bought. Paid for it online using Alipay and went to pick it up.

    When I got there, everything was opened and the battery sticker was very much off centered and tilted. Camera seemed ok buy everything else seem fishy. It was suppose to be a HK stock but the box and everything had simplified Chinese on it. I told them to exchange it and get what I paid for. Made me wait 20 minutes and said they’ll jut refund me. If I had pairs with cash, they would of never refund me.

    Finally just paid the few hundred extra and bought from official Sony store.

    These people get away with these “scams” because there’s basically no enforcements. Law is pointless if there’s no one to enforce it.

  10. yeah and now try the same with a chinese company… so pathetic. chinese like to do that with western brands.. they would get a nice beating with domestic ones

    • Naa, they are just the same no matter what.

      The article is a bit ‘nationalistic camp’ if you ask me.

      Cant’ mess with the Chinese people? They mess with each other. It wasn’t whitey who served this guy, or even blackie… it was his good old fashioned ‘brother’.

      The really ridiculous thing is it saying: ‘Porsche stamped the document with their official stamp..’

      Like Porsche follows Chinese culture, and has a silly red stamp that there have to stamp everything in triplicate with.

  11. “Domestic car [manufacturers], hurry and take over Porsche’s market share.”

    That’ll be the day…

    I guess I don’t have it so bad. I was pissed when my 300 yuan lamp broke after two days, and I couldn’t get a refund because the broken part was an “accessory”, and not included in the warranty.

    Come to think of it, when my motorbike mirror fell apart (while waiting at a stoplight, of all things), the same thing happened. Sorry, we can’t replace it, it’s an accessory, and we’re not responsible for it.

    And when I bought the electricity converter that turned out to be the wrong one and my N64 exploded, that wasn’t their fault either.

    But at least it wasn’t 2.7 million RMB

  12. Bloody peasants the lottaya,
    It s obvious the dealership (chinese owned and run) don’t follow the setup procedure before handover of the automobile.
    Do you realy think these dumb c***s could setup a fine expensive machine like this Porsche?

    Answer definitely not,
    jaah puuu sum oiwl ih tha ka and da pehtro u kan dwive now. what training has the “4S” have – they don’t even know what it is the freakin nongmin not technician.

    Silly dumb small dicked buggers!
    they can’t even change a spare tyre properly! and you think they can setup a porsche.????

    and the crowd? couldn’t afford a Volkswagon Polo between them -freakin more peasants blaming the foreigners. F&&k the peasants! get back to farm and grow me some rice bitch!

  13. My guess is the idiot just doesn’t know how to drive. He just bought his driver’s license and expected a 400 horsepower machine to run and handle just like the video games.

    • Thats exactly what my guess is too. Happens fairly frequently in China. The rich kids buy lunatic cars, wreck them left and right. Great for Porsche/Lambo/etc’s bottom line in the end.

  14. This isn’t Porsche. This is Chinese running sales of Porsche being too stupid to carry the brand name. They should have transferred over a Western team. There are far too many idiotic “4S” shops in China, attempting to pose as actual representatives of the companies. Chinese in general don’t have a clue about cars anyways.

  15. “Domestic car [manufacturers], hurry and take over Porsche’s market share.”

    Haha, yeah I’m sure that will improve matters.

  16. Chinese will never get recpect as consumers because they will continue to buy expensive shit just because it’s expensive. It will give them face.

    Almost no Chinese person who can afford a porche (and likes how they look) will buy something else because of this.

  17. Car owner is probably right. The Cayenne always had mediocre to low reliability scores (Edmunds, CR, etc). Performance scores are excellent, but performance != reliability. A ChangAn van would be a more dependable daily driver.

    • If this German SUV is giving them grief, it is because Chinese don’t know what Italian and British sports cars are like. Expensive cars are not reliable, they are fun. If you can afford an expensive car, you can afford to have it repaired on a regular basis.

      Also Cayenne is really ugly. My friend’s father gave him one for a wedding present, I had to try really hard to not give him shit about it.

  18. Porsche owners feeling unfairly treated, my heart bleeds purple piss for them. Still I hope they get their demands met. After all, if a bunch of yuppy twits can get a company to honor their comittments maybe there is hope for every other poor smo in china.

  19. I usually don’t hear to much complaints from Porsche. Its the Mercedes Benz that is a major piece of shit. The electrical system sucks.

    • yes, in 1987.

      • 1987- present. The resale value for Mercedes drops like a rock after only 1 year. They don’t hold their value.

        • How many Benzes you owned?

          Just curious…

          • He’s spot on actually. Germans make some of the least reliable cars in their class. VW, MB and BMW. Awful reliability.

          • I have a Z4, and am happy with it.

          • I’ve owned both BMW and Benzes before, they do have shitty resale value, but most cars do. The only car that BMW produces that holds there value from what I remember are the M series and Mini’s, 7 series are the worst as far as resale. Older bmw and benz models have some electrical problems, but newer models have definitely approved. If Japanese cars were not soo ugly and bland to me, I would probably buy Japanese. American buckets, forget about it, all piece of shit.

            I do lust after a Porsche though, I’ve always wanted one, but can’t afford to buy a new one.

          • I’ve been driving Benzes for years, never had any problems, E’s and S’s…all 8 Cyl. Sedans, I’m fucking old I like sedans.

            Wouldn’t drive anything else…now, 2008 S63 AMG, screw any other car, it’s a beast, it’s fast, it’s huge and it handles amazing, 0-60 in sub 5 sec. territory, When you want it to, it’ll gnaw the nuts of 99% of the cars on the road, in style, with plenty of room, and valets ALWAYS I leave it out front.

            “Blow me and pass the Grey Poupon!”

            Most important thing – mechanics, you find guys who specialize, stay loyal to them and the marque. My guys are amazing and screw the dealer.

            Every car drops like a rock the moment you drive it off the lot. If you’re buying any car and immediately worrying about resale value, you shouldn’t be buying it in the first place, go down a level.

            You want resale, get an old Sunbeam Alpine Tiger, an MGB-GT , Alfa Spider or Jensen Healey if you’re worried…they’re the next wave that will go.

            With regard to Japanese cars, dependable, but boring to look at, boring to drive and boring interior, but a guy in my building has an older Acura NSX, it’s nice, but go figure, still a tad boring, inside and on the road.

          • S63 AMG ? i am sure thats a hell of a motor ! top of the line Benz !

            I once had a SL55 AMG, can imagine who the 63 would reacting when hitting the gas pedal. I like the extra power, just in case you need it one day. I am now more into more economic cars. have a porsche cayenne turbo now in china, but plan to buy the new Panamera Hybrid or Diesel once i am back to europe.

            From benzes i owned a C180, CLK 300 24V, CLK 320 and a 430 V8, and the 55 SL, never had ANY problems with any of them. Its the most reliable and comfortable car brand on the planet, maybe even the best known and successful one !

  20. http://froogville.blogspot.com/2011/12/making-point.html
    A similar sort of thing. Where do all these people suddenly come from??

  21. This is a simple legal problem. I cannot understand why this “wei quan” or “defend one’s right” in public keeps happening in China. If the goods are not fit for purpose, Aren’t there any statutory legislations that deal with this? One’s statutory rights should not be dictated by the seller. Signing confidentiality agreement ect. should not affect a consumer’s legal right of a refund. This clearly shows the lack of consumer protection or rule of law in China. Even on a civil level.

    With regards to the Confidentiality Agreement, perhaps the dealership did not have capacity to enter such agreements or agree settlements. Therefore, legally speaking, they didn’t do anything wrong by tearing up the agreement as it is probably not legally enforceable or binding. This is not to say that they shouldn’t refund or exchange the vehicle for the gentleman as I imagine there must be some statute that covers this like the Sale of Goods Act 1979 in the UK which are used on almost all internation freight contracts.

  22. It’s the manager’s fault for not taking that shit back when he had the chance. No one wants to go through the trouble getting a refund and then have it thrown at your face in the last minute.

    Come to think of it, they said that the “superiors” did not agree. Does it mean that it was faxed to the German headquarters and they rejected it? Then it could be that all of this is the fault of the people at Porsche HQ for failing hard at customer survice.

    If this had happened in America or Europe you would have said that it was entirely within the rights of the consumer to expose the crappy customer service of Porshe. They’ve even stamped the fucking agreement- it should have been legally binding. It would definitely be all over the TV channels here, and people would be demanding statements and public apologies. But since it’s in China- oh no, blame the customer, blame the Chinese guys running the Porsche store, blame the entire Chinese society and make little racist digs- anything, ANYTHING at all but blame the Porsche company for neglecting customer service and fucking this thing up royally.

    • Did you just learn that white people hate seeing Asians do well? They use to hate see blacks of all nature do well, until society reprimanded them for it, now it’s the Asians.

      • Hilariously, the similarities between black rappers and Chinese entrepreneurs are numerous…

        • Yeah they work ruthlessly hard, and some of them are crass as grass like 50 Cent, while others are smooth and sophisticated like Jay Z. Then you get the likes of R. Kelly, who is just a sad sight to see.

          Any which way to make the sweet dollars, mate. Sir Allan Sugar (or if you’re American, Donald Trump) would be proud.

        • They both love fried chicken and watermelon! =P

      • I think it’s more a case of seeing some douche with money but no class, squealing in anger when they realize that owning all the boy toys they ever wanted is not all it’s cracked up to be. That is damned fine entertainment watching ANY race of nouveau riche morons doing.
        I do agree though great example of how not to maintain customer satisfaction.

      • Hey, it’s just human nature. Old money will always hate new money. Did we forget how the wealthy American woman was snubbed by the Brits on the Titanic?

        Also, film was totally historically accurate. The last time they went down the wreck they pulled up a car and found Jack Dawson’s DNA from a jizz stain on the seats. It’s like living fucking history.

    • The facts on the case are not yet clear, at this point everything is still conjecture. This is a sensational piece of reportage to be sure, however even the dullard’s suspicions should be aroused.

      Porsche is a respected, international brand with a long history of quality and good customer service. Furthermore, I highly doubt, as they are a foreign brand , that they would risk this kind of PR nightmare in a market as large as China.

      My initial reaction was that the car was improperly serviced by the dealership both before it went out onto the road, and again once it was returned with problems. Additionally, porsche values its customers, and would not allow something like the sale and maintenance of a single SUV to get this out-of-control. My guess is that the dealership ran damage-control Chinese-style with the wrong dude and are now getting burned. That is just my suspicion.

      As an aside, I also disapprove of people making ‘racist’ digs at the entirety of Chinese society, I will however offer that culturally, the vast majority continue to act in a barbaric and selfish manner. There is no Chinese ‘race’ – there is a Chinese culture, and while it can have many redeeming qualities, at this time, they are experiencing a cultural nadir; what sounds more likely in this story: “evil” foreigners screwing over Chinese, or Chinese screwing other Chinese?

      • You make some good points there- the dealership does seem terribly unprofessional. I never made a mention of “evil” foreigners, and I don’t subscribe to that view at all- just that someone might have had a brainfart at Porsche HQ as well on this. Maybe it’s unlikely, but who knows. Bigger companies have made worse decisions with regard to customer service.

        Hey, I think China is in some kind of cultural low right now as well. Many people are working hard to bring the level of culture up to a good enough level. It takes time, you see signs of goodness popping up every now and then. I personally just hope the momentum, no matter how small, is kept going.

    • Porsche doesn’t use a ‘stamp’ dude.

    • they stamped the agreement ? who is “they” ?

      why I, as Porsche, should care what a chinese car dealer stamps and on what terms he agrees with his own clients? is he even an authorized dealer ? and even he is, should i be the one responsible for his irrationality or his customers ? Everyone who deals in china knows that its a one way street, in the moment you give up, more and more of them with crawl out from under the stone to demand “something”.

      Its like the supermarkets which sold salt when fukushima happened, chinese buying out all salt available, finally after even the dumbest of them realized that the salt wouldn’t help them, they started to bringing it back to the markets demanding their money back. Guess what, some market owners complained that more salt was brought back then sold ! :-)) If you believe in fairness, common sense and rational thinking and behavior, china is definitely NOT the place you will find such things. They either want to cheat you to feel smart, or they feel cheated (even they were not) and start to demand ridiculous things which are totally out of proportion to what they in fact deserve.

      • ….have a look at the pics ! does this look rational to you ? looks like a pissed of guy who owns a porsche and is not satisfied with it, and who knows why ? Maybe he just can’t afford to pay for gas and insurance and like to get his money back somehow. 2.7 million ? for a car which costs 500k ? he can’t be so smart, and that makes him a very unpleasant fella ! Everybody in this country likes to make money and get rich, problem is that even the incompetent believe they can make it too, someway, somehow….and thats the key point, cause they just want to make it “somehow”,and are later surprised or pissed what they can’t make it, and whats more convenient then to blame everyone and everything else for ones own incompetence and failures ? chinese males are masters in that skill !

        • Sure, white knight on the internet on behalf of the Porsche motor company- because we know that they have never done anything wrong, ever, in their customer services, as well as their engineering, nor any aspect of their company, for all of history. Infact, they are known as the Snow White of the automotive industry, and are constantly the victim of their customers. Poor, poor, poor Porsche. Just can’t seem to catch a break.

          Your little rants about the customer seems to go beyond just calling him out on his alleged incompetences, and have somehow encompassed the entirity of Chinese society. Is it possible that somewhere within that mind of yours is a tiny patch of, oh, i don’t know, prejudice, just seeping out a little? Just a tiny septic ooze of irrational stereotyping? Just a little spec, no matter how small, of xenophobia? You’ve ranted later on about Indians, arabs and Turks as well. Hey man, its OK, I know what you are, you are an equal opportunist hater- as long as long as the subject of your ire is either yellow, brown or black.

          As far as the reactions of the consumer is concerned, he was dragged through the mud, and his response, crass as it is, was pretty bloody effective. In fact, you wish you had the kind of balls he has when you are wronged by a powerful multinational coorporation. I’d say his anger is well vented, and he didn’t swallow it like a little bitch. Good for him.

          No matter where the fault lies- and I have said before that the dealership looks to be the most incompetent out of the lot- the buck, ultimately, stops at Porsche. They sure need to tighten their codes of practice when operating in China. After all, why dont we hear customers reacting with such drama against the likes of Land Rover, Lexus, Jaguar, and other luxury car brands? It seems that they have their shit together when operating in China, and it would be good for Porsche to take a leaf out of their book, and get their shit in order too.

  23. what a bullshit story. This people must be joking.

    1. no way this car costs 2,7 million. This is a Porsche Cayenne S, not even a Turbo. 2,7m are roughly 337.500 euros, wtf ??? Why they use such misinformation ? This car cost brand new around 500k rmb, with import tax you can buy it brand new for around 750.000 RMB. Mine is even a turbo and costs less then 1m. No way, he paid 2.7…pure BS

    2. hundreds of protestors ? why should this people care ? i very much doubt that they are all porsche owners, what a joke ! probably 2-3 have a porsche and are his friends….

    3. this guy probably forced all his factory workers to follow him, so he can put more pressure on the dealer, or this are just bystanders which have nothing else to do.

    china still has a long way to go when it comes to quality, customer service and responsibility. I can’t blame this dealer, most likely he has no clue and there are no skillful mechanics in china which can deliver a good repair.

    I bought my Cayenne directly in germany and imported myself, paying around 50% more then the list price, and that includes import tax, shipping, registration and licensing. I doubt that he paid more then 1m, of he has really paid 2,7, then he has paid 3 times more then its worth.

    • Your numbers are right when everything goes perfect and with plenty of cars in stock.

      I was recently at a dealership looking at some of the new Range Rovers in Beijing, and they were going for 3mil…… No joke. Sounds retarded, but true.

      • fuck, when he really paid 2.7m for this car, then he deserves that its broken. I don’t know how the dealer justifies this high price ? 335k euro ? a half million $US ? i am a foreigner and its really no big deal to import a car. Had it shipped from Bremerhafen in Germany to NanSha in canton, for around 1000 $US, the import tax was ridiculous, but what i can do. Drive it now for 2 years and no problems whats or ever. When the prices are really so high here, then its worth to think about to sell it to a local, since they are ready to pay 3 times the price.

        BTW, i think about to import a nice motorbike too. I just wondered that in all the years i didn’t see ANY bigger motorbike in china. Could it be that they don’t allow higher ccm’s ? I already asked several people, and even the police can’t give a fuckin direct answer. I can just assume that they restrict it, cause they are afraid that criminals could use them too, since the chinese police motorbikes are crappy and couldn’t catch up with them ? Searched the internet too, without success….

    • this story seems staged or an unfortunate chain of incompetences..
      “I bought my Cayenne directly in germany and imported myself”..
      Would you mind to share a link for more information?? I’m very interested in importing a car but have heard that all procedures are a real pain in the a..I mean very difficult.

      • just contact a shipping agent/company, all big international ones have offices at all the ports in china. To get sure, I handled it over Danzer in Hongkong and from there it went on a smaller vessel to NanSha (cause its not a deep seas water port). Better to it over one of the many international shipping companies, like Danzer or GAC, and let them give you 3 prices, one FOB (freight on board), and the other one pick up at port and delivery to doorstep. First 2 options just when you know someone at the local customs (i do so with machinery, its cheaper). I would suggest to choose delivery till door, so the agent takes care about all the paper work, customs clearance and other paper work. I would also suggest to buy in the EU, the tax agreements in the US might be the same, cause you usually get the cars in germany and other countries even up to 25% cheaper if you export them outside the EU, cause you don’t have to pay VAT (19%) and other fees, cause you have to pay the local tax on delivery. I picked up my car at the port, cause i didn’t trust the local truck company. Everything went nice and smooth, and cause you deal and pay the agent directly and handles most of the paperwork, you don’t have to deal with corrupted customs officials, like i usually deal with when trying to import other things outside private usage…hope this helps….

        BTW
        i think about to import a nice motorbike too. I just wondered that in all the years i didn’t see ANY bigger motorbike in china. Could it be that they don’t allow higher ccm’s ? I already asked several people, and even the police can’t give a fuckin direct answer. I can just assume that they restrict it, cause they are afraid that criminals could use them too, since the chinese police motorbikes are crappy and couldn’t catch up with them ? Searched the internet too, without success….

      • no big of a deal. Just pick one of many shipping companies/agents (i took Danzer), provide them with all the info and papers, and they care about the rest. I shipped from Bremerhafen in germany to NanSha in GD, delivery time 4 weeks if i remember right. You can chose FOB (freight on board), or let them ship to port, or delivery in front of your house. The 3rd solution might work best for you, cause they deal with customs and clearance, so you (in case you are not familiar with chinese customs) can avoid bribing customs officers. I picked up my car at the port myself, since i didn’t trust the truck company which wanted to deliver the car with their dirty ass truck. I also used the HongKong agent and not the chinese mainland agent, they are more professional,and again, less risk that they work together with a local officer which will ask for money. they shipped to HK first and moved the car to a smaller vessel, since NanSha is no deep water port, but they did care about everything from picking up the car at the dealer in germany, all the way to here, paperwork and everything. If you like to make it on your own, then good luck, cause you will have to give away many red packs until they let you pick up your car.

        • thanks! What about personal requirements and paperworks – do you need employment Visa, foreign expert certificate or own a Wofe in order to be qualified to import? Also is the shipping company taken care of import tax as well and can there be potential issues with certificates for registration and licensing (since all car related papers will not be in Chinese language)?

          • don’t know about employment visa, cause i have companies running, and we registered it on the company, costs a bit more, but its more convenient cause of the tax return. The car needs around 2-6 weeks to arrive, depending on from where you import and where the destination is, during this time paperwork is already done and invoices are issued, its pretty straight forward. Tax paid upon arrival and final inspection, clearance papers are issued and temporary licensing and registration of the car. You have to go to the registration office, or drive there without plates, seems no one gives a shit how you do it. All in all, considering that its china, things went less complicated then in europe, where they pay attention to every small detail. China has the advantage that you can ALWAYS get the job done, means when a problem really comes up, it can still be solved with a red pack.

            If you import as a private person, then i would talk with an/your accountant to get sure you have all papers ready. Usually the shipping agent know all this things too, they handle import/export issues he whole day. get also sure to get an original invoice with a smaller amount then you actually paid, many dealers will do that, one invoice for you and the one with the lesser amount for the local customs so you pay less import tax. I wouldn’t go bellow 25-30% lower then the original price, since they have their catalogues and lists where they can compare prices. Import papers, incl. country of origin and so on, are standardized and the agent takes care of them. The car has to go through chinese inspection and they issue new papers for the car in chinese for registration…

    • “3. this guy probably forced all his factory workers to follow him, so he can put more pressure on the dealer, or this are just bystanders which have nothing else to do.”

      Haha. Good point.

      • tell you, thats what my chinese business partners do, when our customers are overdue for 6 months and more. The accountant picks 20 workers and they go to the customers company/office or whatever to cause some trouble. The workers don’t care, for them its like a day off and some entertainment too. For me it seems they enjoy that quite a lot, much better then to hang out in the factory and operate machines.

        So i guess, thats what this guy did too. Cause chinese are definitely NOT loyal people and friends to each other when there is no money involved for them. I doubt that there are hundreds of porsche drivers in his area, and even if, its very doubtful that they would all join his PERSONAL rant. Knowing them, they would most likely laugh their asses off about his misfortune and fell happy about their own luck and cleverness so far, which makes them the smart ones from their point of view.

  24. A lot of negative publicity for Porsche and its China dealerships. Very surprised Porsche would not stand behind its product and complete the buy back contract.

    • oh, i think they very much do stay behind their own products, just not for their cars which are sold in china by a chinese dealer. Everyone who has spend some time here will know why.

      You just don’t do yourself really a favor if you get into after sales service in china with chinese partners AND customers, where the basis should be common sense and rationality. I think the pictures show very well how things can get out of control in china, as a foreigner with a good name you don’t want to deal with that or get involved in something like that.

      The guys bellow said it correct:
      “You can take the peasant out of the slum, but you can’t take the slum out of the peasant.”

      or

      “you can take the bitch out of the ghetto, but you can’t get the Ghetto out of the bitch”

      chinese, same like indians, arabs and turks, are not just hard to deal with as business partners, they are also terrible customers ! They always want to have the felling that they cheated YOU, but act ridiculous and insane for even the slights tiniest problem which comes up.

  25. You can take the peasant out of the slum, but you can’t take the slum out of the peasant.

  26. Porche = SB

  27. Ok all you Porsche defenders. As much as we adore the brand, do some research and you will see several of their models are tarnished by quality problem, most of them due to…dare I say it…poor design decision!

    I can tell you the car in the article is a variation of the 958 Cayenne, 2nd year in its life cycle. Since the car is fairly new and in short supply, not a lot of feedback have been posted on the net. But there have been complaints of sudden engine stalls, usually during a turn from a stop. The engine would stall, with all warnings lit up, and you lose power steering and brake. Extremely dangerous scenario as you basically have no control over the car.

    And no the quality issue is not just on this cayenne. The previous generation had serious flaws, including The use of plastic instead of metal for critical coolant pipes, poorly designed drive shaft, and plastic plug coils that cracks.

    And if you think the all mighty 911 is exempt from Porsches quality woes, search IMS bearing failure and you will open a can of worms.

    I am a Porsche owner, but I have to say, perfect cars they are not, but with the high performance we get, sometime you just have to overlook some issues. If you want a perfectly reliable car, buy a Toyota, not a Porsche. And even them has problems.

    A Chinese living in California

    • i drive and own porsches for over 15 years now, never had any problems with any of them. I was told that the export models to US and Asia are a bit different and of lesser quality then in germany. several dealers in the US, one of them my best friend, confirmed that to me. I always wondered why they are MUCH cheaper in the US then in germany where they are built. Maybe that has something to do with it ?

      I have another friend, who decided to import his Cayenne from the US to germany, since they are much cheaper over there. When the car arrived he was given a list of parts which has to be changed first, cause the car must be confirm with EU norms, incl environmental issues. So no, i don’t believe its the “same” car.

    • True, true, true. Ever see a Ferarri with 60,00 miles on it?

      All these cars are “temperamental”, just the nature of the beast.

      • its true when it comes to ferrari and lambo…but not a porsche 911. A 911 IS an everyday car, the motor doesn’t get hot like ferraris or lambos when you drive it the whole day in the city. Its an extremely reliable sports car, which was designed for daily use. There are plenty of 911 for sale in europe with 200-250.000 kms and more on the tacho. And they are still being sold for a good price.

        A car can’t be compared to a house, it looses his value, especially luxury cars, where it makes more sense, in case you are a private buyer, to buy them when they are 3-4 years old, cause then they have lost the most of their money value, after that the price drops slower. As a business person, who runs his cars over his company, it makes more sense to buy a brand new overpriced car, cause i can deduct it from the tax, and get each year the newer model in exchange. 95% of all luxury cars you see in germany by example are not “owned”, they are all leasing cars registered on a company.

  28. could it be possible that the car owner – once having the agreement in hands – tried to blackmail the porsche store and get even more than “just” a refund? and porsche therefore withdraw their offer?

    • i think thats not just possible, it very much likely.

      he failed, so he is pissed now that he failed to get more out of it, and now will not see anything. Once you paid something in china, its extremely hard to get your money back. It would be easier to get money back from a jew then a chinese. Chinese are ready to risk their lives for what they call “face”

  29. Good to see someone stand up for his rights. I wish more consumers would join together in China and make things happen. The standard of too many things we buy, use and consumer around here is abysmal.

    • join together ???

      well if it didn’t happen cause of the thousands of kids which were killed during the last earthquake cause of shitty construction and corruption, or cause of the thousands of babies which get kidney cancer cause of melamine in the milk, then i very much doubt that they will join together cause of a porsche owner…..but hey who knows, knowing “them”, and yesterdays pics from what happen in beijing at the supposed iPhone4S start off, then its more likely that they could join one day, in case all their iPhones fail, then when thousands of kids get killed.

    • “”The standard of too many things we buy, use and consumer around here is abysmal.”"

      Why? Its not like an accident, the documentation and training all exists. Its done on purpose, yes purposefully.
      mistakes are one thing, but purposefully screwing something up, purposefully risking (killing?) lives.
      The govt. doesn’t kill enough people! And we give the peasants too much lipservice
      leaving bubbles in brake lines, not tightening important bolts on the braking system assembly (remember the braking system on these machines is quite complex not like your average red flag “chariots”)
      After arrival from germany these precision automobiles need to be set up correctly and attention paid to the slightest details!
      Mainland Chinese culture cannot comprehend accuracy – as the chengyu says “8 or 9 is a ten” -> implement that philosophy on a precision piece of technology and you have disaster.

  30. Obiviously they don’t read the Top Gear reliability chart. German cars are dead last. (though French and Italian car trump them sometimes. But if you do get an Alpha, you already it’s only good for a couple of month)

  31. never underestimate a shameless cutomer

  32. never underestimate a shameless customer

  33. “Domestic car [manufacturers], hurry and take over Porsche’s market share.”

    Dear God, I hope he is making a joke…

  34. Good to see this was an unbiased article! I agree Porsche should get out of China and leave them with their domestic cars that fail European crash tests and are of the lowest quality I have yet seen. Accusing the companies of ignoring customers because they are Chinese is pure fantasy. As a last point the Managers repair techs staff etc are all Chinese so basically it’s Chinese discriminating against Chinese then!!

  35. I cannot really see the point in any Chinese owning a performance car, they have no idea how to drive the local built rubbish yet alone a Porsche

  36. Have you people considered that this is not a Porsche issue? It is a problem of another dirty, dishonest and greedy chinese manager, so this is a chinese issue. Chinese dirty “business” people cheating on their own people.

  37. Didn’t they know that Porsche sold in China are manufactured to CHINESE LEGAL MINIMUM STANDARDS !!

    This is why foreigners laugh at Chinese who have Porsche, Mercedes, or Ferrari – because they are all ‘low quality’ versions made for the Chinese market !! Not the real McCoy at all !

    Fools !

  38. The problem with this Porsche is probably the driver. just a wild guess. ;o)

  39. Asians have no business driving Porsches anyways. They have excelled in just about everything that has come across them. What happens when they get behind the wheel is a mystery to all.

  40. Currently working in the chinese auto aftermarket. Truly frightening numbers. Over 200 thousand workshops including the whole in the wall shops, 50 million passenger cars, average age 3 years. Experience servicing, some! Throw in fake parts and you have recipe for disaster.

  41. And to protest the Porsche dealership the disgruntled car owner took a crap and piss on the sidewalk in front of the dealership.

    Oh no that was because he is a mainlander and and simply had to relieve himself…

  42. Stick to the Chery

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