Serial Killer Zhou Kehua Shot Dead By Police, Chinese Reactions

Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua, surveillance photos.

If you live in China, you may have seen this man on warning and wanted posters throughout China, often near bank ATMs and even within residential communities, in connection with a series of robberies and gun shooting murders. You may have seen him in the news or on TV as well.

The many faces of Chinese serial robber and murderer Zou Kehua.

This man, Zhou Kehua, He is alleged to have been responsible for the robbery and murder of 9 people, usually by a shot to the head, in various parts of China. Despite a multimillion RMB reward offered for his capture, he remained free and elusive for years. After he robbed and killed a woman last Friday in Chongqing, a large police manhunt was mobilized and launched, and was prominent in the news for the past several days…

Warning: Some photos below may be too graphic for certain viewers.

From NetEase:

Zhou Kehua shot dead by Chongqing police

August 14th morning at around 6:40, serial gun robbery suspect Zhou Kehua was shot dead at the Tongjiaqiao of Shapingba district in Chongqing. According to the police who shot Zhou Kehua dead, they had received a tip when staking out a place of interest, found Zhou Kehua’s trail and began trailing him. The suspect turned around in an alleyway, said he had taken a wrong turn and then began shooting at the police, firing off three shots in succession. Two police officers each fired back two shots and shot him dead.

Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua, shot dead by police in Chongqing.

Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua, shot dead by police in Chongqing.

Two guns and other items found on Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua's body after he was shot dead by police in Chongqing.

Money and other items found on Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua's body after he was shot dead by police in Chongqing.

Police carrying out the bodybag containing the body of Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua after he was shot dead by police in Chongqing.

Crowds gathered around the scene where police cornered and shot to death Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua in Chongqing.

Police cordoned off the scene where Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua was shot to death by Chongqing police.

Chongqing police crime scene investigators at the scene where Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua was cornered and shot dead by police.

Comments from NetEase:

网易江苏省常州市网友:

This is retribution/karma, your gun muzzle was pointed in the wrong direction.

中石油CEO [网易山西省朔州市网友]:

Why not make the details public? Were so many crimes really all committed by him?
It’s not that my heart is cynical, it’s that there are too few things in China that are reliable/trustworthy…

琅驭怀哲 [网易江苏省南通市网友]:

Dead men tell no tales.

yhw2203343 [网易四川省成都市网友]:

It’s wouldn’t be using someone else to deceive us, would it?

印小兄 [网易浙江省杭州市网友]:

How come it doesn’t look like the same person? Anyone feel the same way as me?

网易江苏省苏州市手机网友:

If he was shot dead, then we’ll never know if those things were done by him. Put all of the murders on him and don’t give him a chance to refute them.

猪王麻教授 [网易浙江省宁波市网友]:

Now that this brother has come down the mountain [referring to Gele Mountain near Chongqing where police thought he may have been hiding], the people [police] on the mountain can finally leave.

网易江西省景德镇市网友 [wushihen]:

Two days ago, public opinion about him being shot dead had already begun being manufactured, and today sure enough we see him being shot dead. If a sniper can get a head shot (look at the photos where he’s shot in the head), why not immobilize him? Why couldn’t tens of thousands of people searching for him catch him alive? Right now he is merely a suspected criminal, not a criminal. You can blame all of the cases on him and there isn’t any evidence whatsoever to prove that he did them, just surveillance photos. Isn’t this kind of case-solving too sloppy? Every citizen has the right to representation, regardless of whether or not he is a suspected criminal or a criminal. I’ve seen too much news of suspected criminals being shot dead, can you guys please aim your guns slightly lower? Use a trial and the law to pass a death sentence. Otherwise one day any of us could be identified as a suspected criminal and be shot to dead on the stop.
Also, don’t rush to hold a celebratory feast, this is to your shame, not to your merit. I really can’t see what merit can be said of you guys in this matter.

网易重庆市手机网友 [tjh8023qn]:

You’ve been watching too many serial dramas, right?
Zhou Kehua is a serial murderer, had a gun, and was extremely dangerous.
Is the head and chest a larger target or the hand? Simultaneously shooting both of Zhou Kehua’s hands/arms? To immobilize him?
You don’t know what the topography around Tongjiaqiao is like, alleys everywhere, with lots of crowds.

关山mrd [网易山东省临沂市网友]:

Two big questions, that I hope can be cleared up: One is was it really necessary to shot him dead? Two is just what reason compelled him to take this path of no return?

网易湖南省永州市网友 [你知道得太多了]:

To be honest… you at least need to be like when Osama bin Laden was shot… make a photo for everyone to see…

愚人东 [网易湖南省怀化市网友]:

A suicide. The bullet shell is right by his head, so obviously after he had fallen from taking a bullet to his waist, he committed suicide. Head Shot Brother ultimately shot himself in the head.

网易陕西省西安市网友:

Your sister [bullshit], after having robbed so much money, he only has over 300 RMB on him? And so many 10 cent bills? Your sister, after hiding for that many days, in the mountains, out of the mountain, in a cave, in the downtown area [places police have said he may be hiding]? Your sister, with his clothes so orderly and his shoes so clean, dressed like a typical government worker? Where is the truth?

gaucho0 [网易江苏省苏州市网友]:

Looking at the photos, he died from a shot to his temple. Can a frontal shootout end up hitting someone in the temple?

网易广东省佛山市网友:

I’m reminded of that day Little Yang was tried, how outside the court, there were dozens of people shouting slogans, and innumerable people online supporting him. That scene, as if he was a hero of the people.

byh1227 [网易江苏省南京市网友]:

He had a mobile phone on him, did he use it normally? Did he need to recharge it? Could he have recharged in a mountain cave?
The battery life of his mobile phone is too incredible, what brand is it? I’m going to go buy one too!!!
Those in support, please ding~~~

网易河南省郑州市金水区网友:

If only he hadn’t gotten a cold… [cold medicine was found amongst the items he was carrying.]

网易福建省手机网友:

I just want to know, where he has been living and what he has been doing these past few days?>

What do you think? Is there cause for suspicion?

Crowds gathered around the scene where police cornered and shot to death Chinese serial robber and murderer Zhou Kehua in Chongqing.

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  • tai wai

    Well. Bye.

    • GodsHammer

      That is a quote from the movie ‘Tombstone’!!!

      • One of the cops should have quipped “Well I’ll be you lychee”

        • BigJ

          hahaha

  • BigJ

    I’m surprised. The Chinese comments seem reasonable to me. Cool

    • Chom

      For domestic issues the Chinese comments are always reasonable. Its only for some “national pride” issues that it attracts stupid nationalists. Different set of people.

      • asdf

        Same stupid nationalists. Different set of comments.

      • BS101

        ultra nationalists and hardliners know the real truth but they cannot accept the truth whnen foreigners talk about it. it’s ok for locals to talk, complain and get angry but not lao wai. it’s an inferiority complex with these red necks. they cannot lose face to lao wai but it’s ok to lose face within zhongguo. same problem with hardliners, ultras and facists in other countries

        • Nanny Hiccups

          that’s not a problem with fascists, lao wai, and hardliners, that’s a problem with all countries and races. in fact, i don’t consider it a problem.

          If I look in the mirror and i say “wow, my butt looks really big”, that does not give you the right to stop and observe, “yah, your butt really does look big. in fact, it’s huge!”

          People are allowed to discuss their problems internally. any outsider who wants to discuss, really aren’t doing so for the same reasons, or because they care. they do it to feel superior and therefore, should keep their mouths shut.

          • Harland

            Your argument is invalid. One word: “America”.

          • Talking about your butt is a personal matter to you. Talking about crime in a country with people from that country is not a personal matter, unless those people are actually the criminal being talked about. And yeah, sometimes outsiders do care about the relative safety of people, or perhaps themselves when they live in that country.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            i think outsiders should butt out of other people’s business. They are only commenting to feel superior and to put others down, not because they care. people (in general) sense that, and that’s why they reject outsiders and/or refuse to discuss problems with them, no matter how obvious some of those problems are.

            When outsiders come across like they genuinely care, and like they genuinely want to help, as opposed to being motivated by a complaint or a desire for conversation, people would be more open to discussing their countries or communities with them.

            When you are sincere, people do not mind a bit of butting in. If people object, it’s likely because they have a window into your heart.

          • If you’re living in China, and there’s someone in China walking around shooting people in the head and taking their money, then it becomes your business. If you plan on going to China, it’s also pretty much your business.

            Using your logic, though, that’d keep most of the world from butting in and commenting on things like the war in Iraq, anything to do with the US that happens within the US, anything that happens within North Korea, Darfur, whatever.

          • linette

            It’s always good to listen to constructive criticism. It brings awareness to the problems. We want to bring them to the open so people can discuss or even be involved to come up with solutions.

            Unfortunately there are also many racist arrogant ignorant comments on the internet. We need to filter them out or we will have trolling war.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            whiskers, im an isolationist. i believe america should butt out of the affairs of others. if it’s a situation like with germany during world war II, then i can understand. but saddam hussein being killed was stupid because iran will now go unchecked and so will the terrorists groups, for which iraq is a breeding ground.

          • Isn’t that an internal matter, or a matter between two countries that you shouldn’t be butting into? Leave that to Iran/Iraq/Israel/whoever. It’s none of your concern, right?

          • Brett Hunan

            Why does anyone even reply to nanny hiccups anymore? Havent we already established that shes a man-hater and most of her posts are just trolling?

          • nanny your right in some ways but I think you have not lived in another country and had ties there so you can not understand why some of us do care. We are all human beings and ideally we should all have same rights and deserve consideration, unfortunately you are reacting to the idiots and fanatical ones (Netizens) in here and not the rational silent majority. I choose to keep thinking that the majority ( no matter race or country) is kind, considerate, and respectful and we all want happy life.
            Im sure those nine people or so did not deserve death at his hands and that China is safer for all now! I love living and China and I wish the best for it’s people…the people matter most.

          • jeffli

            Nanny Hiccups you said:-
            ****If I look in the mirror and i say “wow, my butt looks really big”, that does not give you the right to stop and observe, “yah, your butt really does look big. in fact, it’s huge!” ****

            Well I don’t want to lie to you but I guess if I saw you walking down the street (“maybe I have /maybe I haven’t already”)
            I would probably think and say under my breath “juicy!” ;-)
            and I think a lot of women do the same when they see what they think are handsome or cute looking guys lol.

            I would predict that If I saw you butt (in a pair of tight jeans I’d be like…”Oooh Yeah!” with a big smile.
            but hey thats just me.
            I’m sure the rest of you is cute too! :-D

            but I’m afraid I find I can not walk past “whiskers on a cat”
            but then most guys like P***Y! lol .. ->heads up whiskersthecat

          • jeffli

            but I do agree with Nanny Hiccups
            ****whiskers, im an isolationist. i believe america should butt out of the affairs of others.****

            once Saddams govt. infrastructure was forced out of power the fanatics and terrorism was unchecked.

            the same in Libya now, Gaddafi was a radical muslim himself but not as crazy as the fanatics in the rebels.

            Algiers, Morocco once cool countries to visit are starting to go crazy too.
            bring back the kings and old school dictators of the middle east
            King Farouk
            Zine El Abidine Ben Ali
            King Mohammed VI of Morocco
            ………You know ….. corruptible middle-of-the-road type … as long as the mosque does business and I get my truffles then tell the fanatics to go away kind of thing so I watch topless European women sun baking on my beaches blah blah
            ‘them were the days!

          • Tengu

            I think you need to get your facts straight.

            We didn’t go into Iraq because of Saddam, we went in because it was the next piece we needed to take off the chess board after taking Afghanistan.

            Look at a map, it’s our (US) march to the Caspian Oil fields, Iran in in the way. We’ll take them out by proxy , Israel will do it for us.

            Additionally the big breeding ground for terrorists is Saudi Arabia, not sure where you get your facts but if you want to be a true isolationist, you may want to know what’s going on geopolitically.

            We’re mum about the Saudi connection because of oil.

            Iran has a very, very large dissident movement, but by meddling with them we unite the left and the right through their common nationalist sentiment. We overthrew their government in 1953 and put the Shah in power.

            On 9/11 (interesting date) 1973, gunships backed by the CIblot ok out the newly elected president and put Pinochet in power.

            If you think the US will ever stop manipulating the world political climate based on our own needs, finances and whims

            We’re still playing so many ends against the middle you have no idea.

            If we use the analogy of your big ass, only those of us who have shed our own blood or the blood of others can comment, the rest should remain silent, but that’s a bullshit argument.

            It’s a small world, everywhere is everyone’s business now.

          • Nanny Hiccups

            You’re right jeffli, the saddams and khaddafi’s were all secularists and now their countries are a mess, because the hardliners, and shiite muslims will take over simply because they are brutal enough to get what they want, and rule the moderate people.

            america went over in iraq under the ruse of there being weapons of mass destruction. well, why didn’t they use them if they had them lol. We all know that was a lie. it was also an excuse to bring those mercenaries in, like eric prince, the cico, titan, and of course vice president cheney’s company, haliburton, all of whom made hundreds of millions to billions total, doing what soldiers themselves use to do during war time. they straight up fleece our dollars.

            if not for meddling in middle eastern affairs and chilling out in saudi arabia, their holy land, 9/11 would not have happened. of course, someone pointed out that’s where most of the terrorists come from. well they dont’ want usa imperialists on their land. do we not have other allies for our military bases?

            as for the butt thing jeffli, it goes without saying that you are clearly a man of impeccable taste lol

          • Nanny Hiccups

            @brett, I am so not a man-hater. I’m just very discerning when it comes to what I want and who I want. I am not picky about looks just personality.

          • Attaboy

            So Nanny, a Chinese citizen living in America has no right to comment or complain about anything in the country, no matter how much it bothers them or affects their lives? That’s just plain stupid. And you insulting people who are stating their own opinion about the topics on this board is so hypocritical. You are doing it SOLELY to feel superior to them. You are self-actualized , knowing the answers to all the world’s problems and they are naive and misinformed bullies. Grow up. If you want to debate a topic, then debate. Your opinion is valued, but your condescending insults and attitude are childish. This board doesn’t belong to you. What sovereign right do you have to complain about it or the people who use it?

          • Nanny Hiccups

            @attaboy, can you enlighten me as to where I have said something to give you the impression that I feel like I am superior to other people?

            Do Chinese in America have the right to complain. Yes. Do Westerners in China have the right to complain? No. When Chinese people in America complain, they are complaining about racism. When Westerners in China complain, it IS racism. That’s the society you moved into.

            In America we have freedom of speech. If you have ever heard my criticisms of my own country, you’d wonder why I’m not sitting in guantanemo bay. You know what china is, and what it stands for long before you got there I’m sure. Being a westener you can go anywhere in the world and you choose china. Why is that? Admit it, your initial reason for going to China is the women. That’s why you go, that’s why you stay. If I am wrong, why China of all the many countries in the world?

            When you hate a place so much that you feel you must complain about it at the level you do, generalizing and making assinine comments, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t move out of the country and go back to your own. If America is so bad to others, I suggest they do the same unless their complaints are valid, which in most cases, they are.

          • Tengu

            “your initial reason for coming to China is the women”

            Christ how do you magically intuit the reasons, rationale and motivation for people whose musing you read on a web site.

            Why China, because Laotian pussy is illegal!

            Seems you have big brain to match that ass of yours..

          • David

            It’s a matter of approaches. Sometimes as outsiders we don’t necessarily have all the information regarding another group’s inner dynamics. And it is natural for a group to feel defensive when someone from the outside criticizes them. But I have found that with the right approach, generally an outsider should be okay if he/she wants to criticize another group.

  • Was he duel-wielding those Tokarevs? What a badass.

  • White Monkey

    Looks like a self inflicted gunshot wound to moi..

    You aint gonna get me coppa!

    • Brett Hunan

      If the cops got him it was gonna be a bullet to the brain anyways… the sooner the better for sure.

      • Tengu

        Love the forensics and chain of evidence …shit scattered all over the street, people hanging over his shoulder, but he’s wearing a hair net and rubber gloves and booties

        A lot easier to just zotz him in the street.

  • Dr SUN

    what happened to all the cash he stole ?

    • Middle Kingdum

      The Chongqing police received a pay raise that day.

    • The Legend of K.H. Zhou

    • Dr Dust Cell

      probably spent it all on cigarettes

      • Winter B4 Spring

        …and Maotai wine =P

  • The Acidic Hasidic

    I did it ma, im on top of the world

    • The Acidic Hasidic

      all i see is 40,000 chinese people with nothing better to do than look at a dead body.

      • Mark

        he says as he looks at a dead body with nothing better to do.

        • Tengu

          The irony may have been lost …..

      • JC

        Yeah, and on September 11th, all we saw was 20,000+ stupid Americans in New York staring at the burning World Trade Center towers.

        What’s your point?

        • The Acidic Hasidic

          Really not even close to the same thing.

          DUCY???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

          you obviously dont live here, otherwise u would be familiar with the old joke how many chinese people does it take to change a lightbulb?

          51. 1 to change the bulb and 50 to watch him do it.

          • anon

            The only reason that joke exists is because the people who thought it up couldn’t comprehend how higher population density magnifies the rubbernecking phenomenon. It’s funny for someone new to China (or India or just about any high density area) but continuing to find it so amusing after about 6 months just demonstrates your inability to wrap your head around simple sociological phenomenon. Mark already nailed the irony I didn’t bother to point out yesterday.

          • JC

            Dude, I was there on 9-11.
            It’s the same thing. No difference between watching a dead body, and people jumping out of the windows of the trade center.
            Same exact thing.

          • Breaking News!

            Low pH Judaism snickers at own joke, publicly shamed by many, possibly including the Son of God.

          • baroke obama

            really? well i do live in the United States and I’m quite familiar with these old jokes:
            Q: How was copper wire invented?
            A: Two Jews found the same penny!
            Q: Why do Jews have big noses?
            A: B/c air is free!
            Q: Why is money green?
            A: B/c Jews pick it before it is ripe!
            haha ;)

  • Guangzhou Guy

    Please note no blood splatter on gun, arm, shoulder or hand. Was he right handed? Looks like he was shot when he as down. This is the preferred style of cops in USA.

  • BigJ

    Bad boys
    Whatcha want, watcha want
    Whatcha gonna do
    When sheriff Ting Wu come for you
    Tell me
    Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna dooo
    Yeaheah

    Bad boys, bad boys
    Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
    When they come for you
    Bad boys, bad boys
    Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
    When they come for you

    Cops is filmed on location with the men and woman of Chingqing law inforcement. :)

    • BigJ

      All suspects are guilty and never proven innocent in a court of law.

      “i forgot that last part” haha

  • Snicker

    When somebody shoots at a cop, cops shoot to kill. That is their mandate and right. Somebody who is immobilized still has a gun in their hand, still has the ability to kill. You will notice in police gunfights around the world, whether they are in China, South Africa, Brazil, New York, Toronto or middle-of-nowhere hick town, they almost always result in fatality of the shooter.

    It’s an unfortunate reality for solving mysteries, but is a reality of the job that police face against armed criminals.

    • CND Icehole

      Why did you mention both “Toronto” and “middle-of-nowhere hick town”? Aren’t they one in the same?

      • The Enlightened One

        No, you simpleton.

        Toronto is considered to contain one of the most culturally/racially diverse populations in the world. You seriously failed geography, didn’t you?

        • 彭涛

          Where is Toronto?? Are u talking about North Buffalo?

          • Tadd

            Wtf is north buffalo? A breed of bovine only found in Canada? Scotland perhaps?

        • jeffli

          Yeah! I hear Canadians are very multicultural.

          Even traditional Canadian food is very different to Asian cuisine,
          but Canadians seem to be mighty partial to Chinese! [roflmao]

          • BigJ

            Chinese are mighty partial to Canada :)Chinese in Canada for the most part are great. We get lots of criminals though. It’s ok I understand where they are coming from. Canada will not send any criminal back to their country if the country will execute them. So it’s a nice place to hide. Sometime we just too nice eh? :)

      • Gaaad!!!

        Damn, another hick from south of the border. Need to put a fence up.

    • C. A. Peixoto

      “You will notice in police gunfights around the world, whether they are in China, South Africa, BRAZIL, New York…”

      Yes – In Brazil, cops shoot to kill. Only special detachments (Spec Ops teams, Traffic units, Forest batallions and some other units) cannot shoot to kill unless specified in their rules of engagement – And that varies from case to case.

      Another detail is that, even in a case of “Kill or be killed”, all policemen involved in the shooting are investigated, to dismiss all suspects of power abuse, file erasing and the like.

  • I like how he’s called a serial killer. FYI China, serial killers kill for pleasure over years perhaps decades, often in unique ways. Bank robbers who gun people down time and time again are just mass murderers.

    Does anyone else think the Chinese cops had been doing a really poor job of catching this guy? I mean, he never left his home neighborhood and was shot while on his way to visit mum. Was he so hard to catch because all Chinese look the same? lol!

    • baroke obama

      LOL YOU ARE SO FUNNY.

    • baroke obama

      LOL YOU ARE SO FUNNY. What the fuck are you pointing at douche bag. is that the same finger you used to finger your dad’s butthole last night?

      • Breaking News!

        Shanzhai Obama not as eloquent as the real thing.

        • Baroke Obama

          I am the real thing. This how I act when I’m at home with no cameras pointing at me. It’s all a ploy to fool all the “whiteys.” :)

          Just FYI the next State of the Union address is going to be a rap song.

    • baroke obama

      they may all look the same but you’re still an ugly fuck lol

      • mr. wiener

        talk to yourself much?

        • jin

          he is right though, he does have a ugly weird face. looks like a troll.

    • baroke obama

      Also, besides being a racist dumbfuck, you are quite stupid as well. The article was written in Chinese and translated into English. How do you know that the article was not just mistranslated? Ever think of that before you start criticizing everything Chinese just like you do in your biased bigoted sorry excuse you call a blog. I read two paragraphs of it and couldn’t handle any more of its stupid. Do yourself a favor and kill yourself. Thanks.

      • Haha :0) Hit a nerve with that one did I? lol! Anyway, Chinese aren’t a race or even a unified ethnic group, so how can I be racist?

        Anyway, I am quite good looking and intelligent and am confident in my abilities. So confident in fact that rather than respond in kind to your juvenile comments, I’ll simply consoled myself with the reality that you are jealous of my endowments and therefor devoid of them yourself.

        Enjoy your small life xiaoren.

        • jin

          skip the good looking part, this picture of yours with your blurred face (hiding?) we can see that http://freakgeekunique.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/fake-smile.jpg smile of yours. and from the way you speak, youre a egoist. and nobody likes egoists.

        • jin

          skip the good looking part, your picture is blurred to hide your “handsome” face. and from the way you talk, you sound like a egoist, and nobody likes egoists.

        • Dan

          KopyKatKiller, read lots of your comments on here since lurking and they have always been very negative, also had a little read of your blog. It seems like you hate China, like real bitter hatred. Has there been a particular experience that has made you really hate it?

          I’ve read lots of people find living in China as a westerner sometimes difficult to deal with but people accept the differences in culture and adapt to it.

          If you hate it so much why don’t you leave? :) Genuinely curious not being a trying to be rude. Would appreciate some insight.

          I just would have though such bitterness would spawn from a personal experience that really offended/upset you, if you could share it that’d be great.

          • I don’t hate it here, quite the opposite, I actually love it in many ways. A lot of people think that I don’t like China, that’s understandable, but anyone who knows me will tell you that is certainly not the case. True, I may point out negative things, but I didn’t create those negative things. In reality I care quite a lot about China and that’s why I am persistent in my criticism. China is like a wayward child and I am like the concerned parent.

            In addition I have spent years of my life studying Chinese history, language, and ethnography. I have quite possibly read 75% of all books published on China in the last 20 years. I have also spent years of my life living and working here and have relationships with Chinese main-landers spanning over a decade. Anyone who hates the country would never invest so much time and energy in learning everything possible about it. It’s a simple as that.

            Outside of my home country, China is my second most knowledgeable country followed by Germany. Indeed, I could write much more negative about Canada than China because my knowledge base and experience are greater.

            Chinese always want to ignore the bad points which means they’ll continue to exist. Only those who really care about this country would take the time to take the bad points head on.

            The biggest problem in China, notwithstanding it’s corrupt dictatorship, is the Chinese people’s inability to except criticism or learn from outsider’s experience and opinion. Even those within China who care enough to speak up about things like poison milk or tofu schools collapsing in earthquakes find themselves often jailed by the kleptocrats running this circus. If China is ever going to develop and become a safe modern society t is going to be because of foreigners and locals who criticize and point out the country’s uncountable short comings. Shutting up and ignoring the obvious, or not liking it and leaving, is the exact opposite of what China needs.

            China needs to get rid of it’s illegitimate government. Free Xinjiang, Tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia. and get down to the business of improving the lives of Chinese people rather than continuing to only improve the lives of the Party and its cronies.

          • jin

            ofcourse you like it in many ways, because you only write negative stuff on this site and on your fail blog. and all the racist comments you made is not hate at all.

            “I have quite possibly read 75% of all books published on China in the last 20 years.” now this is bullshit too. unless you read books every single day and night, you cant possibly read that many book. you learn it because you got nothing else to do.

            what can you achieve by posting racist/ hate/ negative stuff on the site and your blog? will china become better? because you feel like youre the “parent” of china……..
            what a load of crap youre typing.

          • @Jin

            I get a lot of views and a lot of praise for my blog. I don’t post anything racist. People of lower mental capacity level this accusation but I have yet to have any of these dimwits back it up with anything remotely resembling proof.

          • mr. wiener

            Happier than a pig in shite, he has found the perfect place, a magic place, a place of disfunction ,injustice and contradiction where he can make his proclamations and be heard …..and listened to for the first time in his life.

          • anon

            The only thing you said that was convincing was that you understand why a lot of people think you don’t like China. Even that though is remarkably perceptive for someone who finds it so easy to throw around the comments you do.

            By your logic, anyone who points out negative things or criticises anything does so because they “really care” and are merely a “concerned parent” for a “wayward child”. I’ll be sure to use that defense the next time someone complains about me getting on their case.

            However, let’s follow that metaphor for a second: There is good parenting and bad parenting. Your parenting insofar as we can see it here on chinaSMACK would have me calling child welfare services.

            Who knows, you may fashion yourself the Tiger Mom of China and the Chinese people, but you aren’t nearly so successful. The things you say look less like you genuinely trying to communicate helpful advice or admonishment to Chinese people and more like you simply expressing your dissatisfaction and relishing in the possible echo chamber of like-minded comiserators that would be likely found on a site like chinaSMACK or amongst fellow English-speaking readers.

            And then there’s the stench of “white man’s burden” that exudes from your rationalization. Since when did you become the parent of China? How far do you expect to get with advising the Chinese when you can’t even fundamentally see them as peers deserving of a basic amount of respect to avoid indulging in the gross generalizations and unqualified contempt you make in so many of your comments here?

            It’s not impossible for someone who is as learned about Chinese “history, language, and ethnography” to be as willfully caustic as you haven’t failed to come across on this site, but it is highly unlikely. It is doubtful that someone who has read “75% of all books published on China in the last 20 years” would still be so hung up on cliche expat gripes over the idiosyncracies of modern Chinese society. Surely all that reading would’ve equipped you to be more understanding of the circumstances that have led China and its people to be chafingly different from what you grew up in your home country to expect as standard and proper?

            Sure, there are educated and well-read bigots and haters, but they’re also bigots and haters, not “concerned parents”. When all of the issues you reliably comment on with bile foaming at your mouth are the cliche sort, it doesn’t strike me as someone who has invested “so much time and energy learning everything possible about” China.

            It’s all well and good to declare the maxim that its bad to ignore the bad and that those who care to improve would face the criticisms. But I’m not convinced that’s really what’s behind your behavior. It sounds more like a rationalization, a defense, for your behavior, a sort of carte blanche to excuse the crassness and relish with which you bemoan your contempt. No, its possible that you love many aspects of China and the Chinese people, but even abusive parents can love their children and it wouldn’t excuse the ham-fisted way they go about “parenting”. Your comments and the superficial depth of insight contained in them are simply ham-fisted chest-beating finger-pointing.

            And that’s what sabotages any legitimate concerns or critical opinion you might have about the “uncountable shortcomings” of China and its people and will do little to bring about the end of China’s corrupt dictorship, freedom to Xinjiang, Tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia, or improvement to the country you consider your “wayward child”.

            No, China doesn’t need people to pretend there aren’t problems and issues deserving of criticism. The thing is, it doesn’t need people like you either. You’ll have lost the respect of the Chinese long before you manage to earn their trust to offer any constructive criticism. No, what you do is nothing nearly so noble. At best, you want to offer your criticism to the Chinese without considering how considering how to make it receptive to them. At worst, you simply vomit your criticism as personal catharsis for the reassurance of others nodding their heads with you. Can you show me even one comment from you that shows any genuine consideration on your part for making your criticisms of China actually receptive to the target of your criticisms?

          • linette

            ………..The biggest problem in China, notwithstanding it’s corrupt dictatorship, is the Chinese people’s inability to except criticism or learn from outsider’s experience and opinion. Even those within China who care enough to speak up about things like poison milk or tofu schools collapsing in earthquakes find themselves often jailed by the kleptocrats running this circus. If China is ever going to develop and become a safe modern society t is going to be because of foreigners and locals who criticize and point out the country’s uncountable short comings. Shutting up and ignoring the obvious, or not liking it and leaving, is the exact opposite of what China needs.

            China needs to get rid of it’s illegitimate government. Free Xinjiang, Tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia. and get down to the business of improving the lives of Chinese people rather than continuing to only improve the lives of the Party and its cronies…….

            This part I agree. We want constructive cristicism. Not racist nonsense comments. We must acknowledge the problems first in order to seek solutions and then take actions to correct. People living in the same country need to all acknowledge the existing problems. It will take another 50 yrs or 80 yrs to correct the problems, but it has to start somewhere.

          • Perhaps ChinaSmack needs to start a page for discussion of my blog??? Just a suggestion.

            If you don’t agree with what I say anon, that’s acceptable. Please point specifically to where I have erred and back up your criticism with facts. Seems to me your entire spiel was more or less an attack on my character rather than on what I have to say.

            Sure I may not be politically correct or objective but that is by design. My blog is my personal opinion, therefore not objective. I am politically correct because being PC is BS. I say what I want and how I want. If people have a problem with that, well, then they have a problem, not I.

            A lot of my Chinese friends who read my blog get quite upset. One of the regular posters who gets angry is a friend of mine. My girlfriend, who is Chinese, also reads and gets angry. I’ve asked her what makes her angry and she says it’s because I back everything up with stark proof and that although she disagrees, my examples are too strong and she has nothing to counter them. To this I say, “research and prove me wrong”. But alas, she neither has the time or inclination to bother.

            As for making my arguments palatable to the average Chinese, I’m not interested in that. It has been my experience over the years that the only people who do not feel personally upset by my thoughts on a variety of subjects are professors and people of similar knowledge backgrounds. For example, I can talk to a Chinese history professor about Chinese history and never end up in an argument while if I talk to an average Zhou they become very upset. Online this usually results in name calling, as you can read on this blog page. It’s not my fault.

            As for the “parent child” analogy, that came from a reader of mine when discussing my China viewpoint. Perhaps I should rethink using it???

            Anyway, I write my blog for Westerners, not Chinese. Chinese only read about 5 books a year as opposed to the 50 or so books a year average of developed countries ‘ citizens. I can hardly expect them to take the time to read anything I have to say. As for books on China, take a visit to your local bookstore and I think you will find that most books on China are unavailable here. All Chinese know about their country and its history is the mindless drivel they are brainwashed with in public school.

            If you are Chinese and reading this, here’s a recommended reading list for you.
            Oracle Bones, Hessler
            Hungry Ghosts: Mao’s Secret Famine, Becker
            Heaven Cracks Earth Shakes, Palmer
            The Opium War, Lovell
            Poorly made in China, Midler
            The Party, McGregor
            Wild swans, Jung
            Mao: The untold story, Jung & Halliday
            Factory Girls, Chang
            Red Capitalism, Walter & Howie

            That’s my China reading list for the past year. How many Chinese have read them? Not many. So how can I expect any Chinese to understand what I have to say?

            What do I encounter in China when asking about Mao’s reign of terror, the illegitimacy of the CCP, the Great Leap, the Cultural Revolution? Nothing but blank stares.

            In regards to history. Tibet and all other tributaries were not part of china, ever. The Qing were not Chinese. China was never the country delineated on the maps of today before the PRC. China never ruled the world (and never will). The great wall is not A wall and mostly never existed. China is not a descendant of the Shang, many kingdoms existed here. Ghengis Khan was not Chinese.

            And then theirs modern affairs, Taiwan for example. Never fell wholly under Chinese rule ever. Or the south China sea, never a part of China. China’s Inevitable rise, not so. Chinese = an ethnic group or race, not so.

            Etc. Etc. Etc.

            Every time I talk to your average citizen here I am continually amazed at how little they know. It’s very frustrating. Reading the commie rag that passes for news here is even more frustrating. I let all that frustration out in my blogs.

            Anyway, I’m rambling. China does that to me.

          • I have quite possibly read 75% of all books published on China in the last 20 years. KopyKatKiller dude… I am fairly certain that a number of expats just find a local chick who can speak reasonable English. Then they snuggle-up, watch TV, go see movie, eat and make love – maybe have kids. This bookworming can’t be healthy! Reading the mind of an Oriental woman is pretty tough, never mind wading through ten tonnes of dry historical tomes on the geographical Orient. I can only imagine you have been held hostage somewhere… :-)

          • anon

            Why yes, KKK, it was a criticism of your character. That was the main issue of this discussion thread as initiated by Dan. We’re talking about your bitterness, which is inherently about how you appear based on the record of your comments here. We’re all judged by our comments.

            I may not disagree with what you have to say but I may disagree with how you go about saying it. Likewise, I may not disagree with a parent parenting but with I may disagree with how they go about their parenting, to use your analogy.

            And that’s the impetus for why I’m even responding to you. Like others, I’ve seen your comments on chinaSMACK for a long time. However, I had marked you as someone who was an unapologetic basher of the stereotypical list of Chinese issues that irk Westerners. Your blog further suggested that was the case. You have a strong dislike for China and Chinese people (or aspects of either), that’s fine. The key is being unapologetic about it. Never did I imagine you actually fancied yourself a “concerned parent” in a noble quest to parent a “wayward child”. It’s that gall that prompted me to say something.

            What sort of “concerned parent” doesn’t care to make their arguments palatable to their “wayward child”?

            At least have the honesty to remain consistent with your defense. You’ve gone from “I say what I say because I care” to “I say what I say because I don’t care”. Which is it? Pick one and have the good grace to acknowledge having spouted some nonsense previously.

            Yes, you have the freedom to say what you want how you want. As do the rest of us, right? You’ve criticized the character of the Chinese government and the Chinese people, based upon their actions and words, now you’re being criticized for your own character, based upon your actions and words. It works both ways. Your very own defensiveness at this point should help you understand the defensiveness of the Chinese you lament as being so resistent to outside opinion and criticism.

            How do you expect to be taken seriously if the attitude you wear on your sleeve is that Chinese people are so stupid, uneducated, unread, and brainwashed that you can’t even bother to engage them and would prefer just to stand above them contemptuously judging them? Does that sound like a well-educated, intelligent, well-read person to you? Have all those books been wasted on you?

            If you have the decency to acknowledge that’s basically how you feel or otherwise present yourself on here, then I can go back to disregarding you as someone who is set in their ways and not worth engaging in, not dissimilar to how you say you see the average Zhou. If you come back with an attempt to rationalize yourself as being a “concerned parent” however, then I’m going to call bullshit. That’s where this stands.

            The rest of your comment is irrelevant. They may be worthy of discussion but this was not about a disagreement about those things.

          • richardnorth
            Thursday, August 16, 2012 at 3:48 am
            I have quite possibly read 75% of all books published on China in the last 20 years. KopyKatKiller dude… I am fairly certain that a number of expats just find a local chick who can speak reasonable English. Then they snuggle-up, watch TV, go see movie, eat and make love – maybe have kids. This bookworming can’t be healthy! Reading the mind of an Oriental woman is pretty tough, never mind wading through ten tonnes of dry historical tomes on the geographical Orient. I can only imagine you have been held hostage somewhere… :-)
            —————
            Perhaps I’m a lot older than you think and read a lot faster?

          • Well, anon, I will say one thing: Whatever it is I say and how I say it, it sure does get people talking. Which is a good thing, is it not?

            On this site I like to post random sarcastic posts about the topic. Rarely do I ever post directly in response to others. I’ve been reading this site for over 2 years by the way. In my opinion, whatever I have said has usually been a lot more friendlier and unbiased than many comments translated from the Chinese interweb or posted here by the 5 Mao douche-bags.

            As for what I say, if Chinese don’t like it, they should fix their damn country. It’s not my fault when things are fucked up here, its theirs.

            “You’ve gone from “I say what I say because I care” to “I say what I say because I don’t care”. Which is it?” You are misquoting me there. I said I say what I say about China because I care. I say it the way I say it because I don’t care about being PC or what disgruntled face losing locals think about it.

            “How do you expect to be taken seriously if the attitude you wear on your sleeve is that Chinese people are so stupid, uneducated, unread, and brainwashed that you can’t even bother to engage them and would prefer just to stand above them contemptuously judging them? Does that sound like a well-educated, intelligent, well-read person to you? Have all those books been wasted on you?”

            As a nation, the Chinese (generalization ahead, be warned, not everyone here in China fits it) are uneducated, unread, and brainwashed. This is a nation where the grandparent’s generation happily ran around killing all the birds and melting their farming tools in makeshift ovens in order to slavishly serve a fucked up sociopath they now feature on all their money only to end up starving to death and eating their neighbor’s children. This is a nation where the parents generation spent their youth destroying Chinese culture and killing or driving to suicide anyone with any sense. And finally, this is a nation where the youth have absolute no idea about this and prefer to endlessly harp on about the Nanjing massacre when their greatest enemy is the CCP. The PRC is the scene of the stupidest acts of modern times. A place where its citizens are more likely to be murdered by their government than in any other nation (except maybe for N. Korea). And all they want to do is bash Japan and the West and declare what a lovely harmonious country China is. Not exactly the picture of an intelligent people.

            Eleven years ago I met an old man near the Bund. He called out “Hello” in English and then in Japanese to my girlfriend at the time. I thought, “Well that’s odd, he can actually say something in Japanese, maybe he’s smarter than the average “Hello” yellers.” So I went over to talk with him and indeed he could speak both English and Japanese. I was curious and asked him how come his English and Japanese were so good. “oh”, he said “When the Americans were here I worked for them and learned English. When the Japanese showed up, I worked for the Japanese and learned Japanese.” My curiosity perked, I asked him if he’d liked working for the foreigners. He had no complaints and his answer basically was that it didn’t matter who controlled the city back then, both groups were equally as good to work for. So I asked about after 1949 and that’s when his look and tone changed. “Times were tough. The government made a lot of mistakes that the people couldn’t do anything about. But it’s better today. The foreigners are back.” We ended up talking for well over an hour. No doubt this man, sitting on the sidewalk in his blue Mao outfit and cap was far more intelligent than anyone in power or being educated here today. It didn’t matter who owned the city. Times were better before the communists, even when the Japanese controlled the city. If only his pragmatic viewpoint was the one children are exposed to in their history books, China would have a better chance at becoming a well respected nation and I’d have far less negative comments to say about the nation.

            (Warning, more generalizations coming, of course not everyone fits them) Living in China as a laowai is not the easiest thing to do, especially if you know ore about China and its history than the average Chinaren. Reading the news or talking to Chinese people about anything to do with history or international relations usually results in a right-wing propaganda spiel about historic humiliation and the injustices of the evil West. Even the recent Olympics, where China did damn well, has resulted in an outpouring of ignorance and hate on the part of many Chinese and their government. What a joke. What a joke China is. For a nation of people endemically concerned with the childish concept of “face”, it sure is funny that every-time they open their mouths they sound like a bunch of spoiled ignorant children.

            I’ve lived in many countries, and I have never encountered one even remotely like China. The hustle and bustle and busy life here is exhilarating. The changes I’ve seen taking place over the last decade are truly breath taking. I think a lot of Chinese people are happy with the New New China as opposed to the Old Mao’s New China, and I am happy for them. Still, when I look around, I have the feeling that their joy will be short lived. I regard their face saving responsibility avoiding culture as being the greatest impediment to China ever becoming a developed nation. China has made a lot of progress in the last 20 years, but it will be all for nothing if the government and the people don’t start adopting other Western ways to go along with the shinny cars and sky scrapers. Although China has very big problems, mainly starting with the Party and the Party itself. Many other little things can be fixed by average Chinese. For example, caring about strangers. Acting like a hillbilly peasant while in public, yelling, spitting, letting kids shit on the sidewalk, littering, pushing, lying, etc. etc. , are all bad things that exist here that Chinese people, the average Zhou’s, are responsible for. it shows that they don’t care about Chinese people and they don’t care about China. China and its people would earn a lot less of my ire if they could start acting like reasonable human beings. Most educated, well traveled, and well rounded Chinese people I know agree with me on this.

            Anyway, this discussion is taking up far too much time. In closing, if people are upset about what I say then they should do something about it, specifically, make it so there are less and less bad things that can be said.

          • anon

            Trolls get people talking too. Is that a good thing?

            I won’t call you a troll, however. Your comments are not solely inflammatory and intended to inflame, which is what characterizes a troll. You say objectionable things that someone with the background and education you claim would be unlikely to say.

            I honestly cannot recall you having consistently “unbiased” comments or “random sarcastic” comments so I won’t agree to that. Perhaps Fauna can do us the favor of highlighting some of your more choice comments in the past as she has done for some of us before. However, comparing yourself to the wumao and fenqing is not exactly something to be proud of. You’re content to be better than those guys? Really?

            No one said it is your fault if there are problems in China. No one said it is their responsibility and their choice to fix those problems. What anyone said is that you come across as a douche, that what you say at times sounds incredibly douchey.

            I’m not misquoting you, I’m challenging your notion that you see yourself as a “concerned parent” for a “wayward child”. Of course I know you meant you don’t care how people feel about how you say the things you do, but that isn’t consistent with you fancying yourself as a “concerned parent”. I suppose we can say technically a “concerned parent” doesn’t have to care about how they sound when talking abou their “wayward child”, marking them for a “concerned but otherwise bad parent”, but I’m quite certain you intended to defend your “persistent” criticisms as being borne out of noble selfless emotions, “like a concerned parent”.

            I don’t see that being the case. I see that you have a strong interest in China, and I wouldn’t bet against you having a fondness for it and its people, but the things you say and the way you say them do not mark you as anything resembling the popular conception of a “concerned parent”. For me, what’s indigestable isn’t so much your criticisms but your self-delusion. The only thing worse than a parent who abuses their child is the parent that says its out of love and for the child’s own good.

            I wouldn’t have any issues with you saying you’re judgemental of China. It’s you saying you’re a “concerned parent” that’s vomit-inducing with all its attendant White Man’s Burden.

            Your generalizations of post-Comunist Revolution China are trite. Granted, it marks you as markedly more read about that part of Chinese history than the average Joe back home that has his hand down his pants watching a sitcom but its not markedly sophisticated for someone who actually studies China. It’s shallow, the typical collection of outrages and horrors Westerners first learn about the history of the PRC. It doesn’t show the least bit of observation or insight into the diversity and mutability of Chinese society when that has been THE story of China throughout most of your life (I can’t imagine most people over 40 dressing and taking photos like you, unless that isn’t your photo). It marks you as someone who is content to continue seeing the Chinese from what is largely a amalgated caricature from the past, and your comments reflect that. You comments are more often than not expressions of confirmation bias. You have an image of what the Chinese are like and you see validation for it everywhere. But an educated intelligent person OBSERVES instead of merely seeking and celebrating validation. Your “observations” in your comments and on your blog largely fall into the latter category.

            If we want to generalize, there is such a thing as China bears. You may be one of them, and there’s no reason to fault you for pessimism and cynicism about China and the Chinese people. But please don’t use the “concerned parent” analogy. Honesty would do you better than false empathy.

            Your eagerness to generalize the Chinese as you have and conclude that they’re not a picture of intelligent people is evidence of why its hard to take you seriously. Your eagerness to defend that generalization, to argue the premises for that generalization, shows a preoccupation with that generalization. That generalization, that characterization of China and its people is important to you. It defines your place in relation to them, doesn’t it? You’ll never be taken seriously by your “wayward child” if you can’t bring yourself to stop seeing them as beneath you and your own.

            How do you even say things like “No doubt this man, sitting on the sidewalk in his blue Mao outfit and cap was far more intelligent than anyone in power or being educated here today” without pausing to reflect on how incredibly presumptive it is? I understand hyperbole as a stylistic element of writing but you decided it was intelligent to declare this guy the most intelligent person in China today based on him saying something that flattered foreigners during a half an hour conversation? Are you shitting me?

            Its your williness and seeming eagerness to spit out these sort of generalizations and hyperboles in your comments and on your blog that contribute to how difficult it is to take you seriously. Even Niall Ferguson, himself renown for rather objectionable hyperbolic statments, is better than you. Granted, that’s why you’re reading his book instead of him reading yours but still, how does an intelligent person not realize how unintelligent this all sounds?

            China is responsible for its current state. You are responsible for your current state. China’s shortcomings doesn’t justify you being a douche in your commentary about it. If you’re an unapologetic douche, fine, but again, don’t paint yourself as noble and caring.

            About your gripes being a better educated foreigner talking with Chinese people, why is it that I have no problem finding Chinese people who don’t fit your generalizations? Online and off?

            What a joke. What a joke China is.

            Look at the contempt in your words, your self-admitted generalizations. Wow, that’s angry, that’s bitter, that’s hateful, and you can’t help but generalize them all. It sounds like a vicious self-feeding self-perpetuating contempt that doesn’t strike me as intelligent.

            You haven’t lived in enough countries if you haven’t seen one like China, or you didn’t have your eyes open enough. Sure, not everything will be exactly the same, no two countries will be exactly alike, but there is not a single fundamental characteristic commonly attributed to China that can’t be found in abundance in other countries. You’re rationalizing. The moment someone changes an observation about a country and its people into an observation that is somehow and necessarily unique to that country and its people is the moment that observation is exposed for ignorance and prejudice, as well as an argument of convenience and rationalization.

            Your preoccupation with characterizing face-saving and responsibility-avoiding as somehow Chinese and that their accomplishments will be for naught if they don’t adopt more “Western ways” only further reveals your prejudice and self-righteousness. The notion of face being Chinese itself is so very typical of Westerners too eager to find some sort of intrinsic cultural explanation to divorce a common human phenomenon from themselves to be contemptuously reserved for another. I doubt I have to explain responsibility-avoidance, right?

            What you consider “reasonable human beings” is a product of historical, economic, and social circumstance and development. China has to go through it, just as Japan has. Or do you honestly think Japanese society has always been the way it is today? That you consider certain characteristics of human behavior “reasonable” is a product of the environment you grew up in. The Chinese environment lends itself to having certain behaviors considered reasonable, not unreasonable, or even prudent. How the hell did you read 75% of the books published on China (in the past 20 years no less!) and not have this firmly engrained in your head yet? How have you not shed what we commonly call “ethnocentrism”?

            You’re not faulted for having certain values and expectations of human behavior. We’re all socialized. You’re now faulted for claiming to be intelligent but not demonstrating any of that intelligence. You’re faulted for claiming to be intelligent but indulging yourself in comments unbefitting an intelligent person, much less one that is supposedly well-read. We’re supposed to have been educated to think outside of our boxes. To borrow your unintelligent and uneducated Chinese vs. intelligent and educated Westerners framework, you’re supposed to have a far more sophisticated understanding of Chinese normative behavior than what you have now, which is akin to those Chinese people who think black people would earn less of their ire if they could act more like “reasonable human beings”.

            What is reasonable? And what is just your own ethnocentrism?

            I have no trouble believing that Chinese people with similar backgrounds and exposure to you would find aspects of your comments agreeable. I highly doubt most would find the overtones of contempt agreeable. This is why people in Hong Kong and Taiwan, themselves so critical of mainland norms, reliably bristle in the face of comments like yours that go beyond observation and mere criticism into ethnocentric contempt and self-righteousness.

            I’m not Chinese but what you say and how you say it upsets me nonetheless. If what I say upsets you, then you should do something about it, right? Specifically, make it so there is less and less bad things that can be said, right?

            Chinese people should take responsibility for their shortcomings. Be a good example to them by doing likewise, right?

          • Pookey

            I’ve been following this site for some time now, read a lot of ridiculous shit but never felt like I needed to respond to a post as much as now. Kkk’s post is completely fuckwitted. Most rational people on here can see his 75 percent claim is ludicrous and his “free xingjiang Tibet Manchuria Mongolia et al” comment proves the depth of his naivety of historical/contemporary issues in china. sounds like an old hipster douche bag to me, trying to sound like he’s got an alternative quirky viewpoint on an exotic subject (if you can consider china ‘exotic’). china has it’s bad points, but please, get of your high horse you fucking moron.

          • Pookey

            Peter hessler?!! That’s the book at the top of your fucking list??? Why should a chinese person read fucking peter hessler(no disrespect to him but its travel writing, and if thats what you base your in-depth knowledge of china on then its sad) All the books you mentioned are bestsellers with pretty covers but most of them of little or no academic value at all.

          • anon: Enough with the “concerned parent” analogy. I already explained I took that from a reader’s description of me. The more I think about it, the less I think it fits. I’m prepared to let it go if you will???

            A lot to think about there anon, truly. I don’t have time to adequately respond at the moment, but I’ll think about it.

          • Pookey, I bet I could easily slap the stupid out of you! hahaha!

          • Pookey

            Yes, hahaha you stupid little man. Hahaha.

          • Breaking News!

            Anonymous individual meets word count match but prevails with KO in 3rd round.

          • kw

            wow anon…
            i really like your comment…

        • barack obama

          Console yourself in the fact that you have a ugly big troll nose and your face looks like that of a witch. “HEY LOOK AT ME POINTING AT YOU I’M SO COOL!” Just by looking at that ridiculous hat you are wearing I can tell your type. You’re an arrogant asshole that likes to giggle and snicker in the background while talking shit with your friends. Nah you didn’t hit a nerve at all, I just think you’re pathetic. If Japan is so great and you hate China so much why don’t you move to Japan then? Or are you too much of a loser and not capable? Admit it, you ARE racist, you hate Chinese people.

          • barack obama

            Thanks ANON, you completely took the words right out of my mouth on why I despise penis heads like KALAN “TWINKLETWINKLELITTLE” STAR

          • anon

            I appreciate the thanks but I can’t say I agree with your own behavior here. You’re well on your way to outdoing him.

          • Barack Obama

            well it was hard to keep my cool in the face of such an asshole

          • kw

            i think you need to learn to be calm,especially on the internet..
            some people need to know that there are alot of people that like to take pleasure from your anger when they troll you..
            be calm..

          • mr. wiener

            Nothing cool about having your face in an asshole.

          • mr. wiener

            ….Hopefully nothing hard while having your face in an asshole either.

          • baroke obama

            Anon, it’s quite comforting to see that there are sensible people like you who are able to vocalize what is wrong with ignorant douchy bigots like KKK (is that just a coincidence?) that is so stereotypical of people like him. Thank you for your posts, I now understand exactly why things that people like KKK say upsets me so much, as before I couldn’t put my fingers on it. Living in America all my life and visiting China, it’s not that some of the specific points he says are completely inaccurate, although a lot of it is and a lot of it are very crass and gross generalizations that he was able to, like you said, nitpick out and use to confirm his already set negative conclusions he has about China and Chinese people. The problems he is discussing are very superficial and very much like what you would expect from simpletons like himself.

            And it’s not hard to see that his Japanese girlfriend probably has a lot to do with his biases. But his attitude towards China greatly resembles that of Europeans coming to America to “save” godless Indians from themselves. It’s completely backwards. It just shows that someone like him is very primitive in his ways of thinking. He is one of those hardheaded old geezers and, however articulate and precise your arguments are, it is possible to change his attitude he has in China.

          • I don’t know baroke, I think if you think that I am so off base, then you should probably counter me by starting your own blog.

            PS. I like all that name calling, big nose, douche, bigot, etc. Shows you have the maturity of a 5 year old and I’m sure you’d fit in nicely in the People’s Republic of Children. hahaha!

          • baroke obama

            it’s not really “name calling” if all those things I say are true about you is it? hahaha!

        • Breaking News!

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      • Sh!t Romney

        Obama!!! Get a sense of humor…… We can all eat breakfast again, now that the Cereal Killer is gone.

        • Fruit-loops are safe now!

          • jeffli

            but watch out for the melamine!

        • Dumb Paul

          Right on buddy!!! :)

    • ChinaPrat

      KopykatKiller, if you hate it here, then FUCKING LEAVE. Why do some expats insist on comparing China with their home country, and then complain about the air, the culture differences and the government? Why did you come here? Did you ever think, “Well, maybe this place isn’t for me and I should move back to Canada because I’m a bigot asshole and I’m not going to be able to live here without bashing an entire race of people.

      Here are some excerpts from your shitty blog.

      “[about a Japanese house] Perhaps I had gone native, at least a bit, after-all. I was immediately impressed that all the lights worked as we passed through each room, and that there were no water stained or leaking ceiling on the top floor. In China I had never seen a hundred year old home. According to Chinese “experts”, a building that is 20 years old is “a very old building.” ”

      “Even some of my friends commented that it was “ok” that Japan had such a disaster because of Nanjing, which I let slide because it’s not their fault they’ve been lied to their entire lives by the Party. The hate starts young in China. From kindergarten onwards to the end of university, Chinese students are exposed to a steady stream of anti-Japanese propaganda, a “moment of hate” if you will. Lille kids are subjected to a steady stream of war photos, some real some fake, of Japanese atrocities in WWII in an effort to turn them into … well, the Chinese version of Nazi Youth. “

      • The Enlightened One

        Why are you so mad? Just leave the troll alone.

        They die quickly without food.

        • Alexander

          No, he is right. I wish half of the no professional experience, complaining, arrogant fucks would just go home. Perhaps they could get some higher education along with REAL work experience…..

          • jin

            they dont have the brains for higher education, and are too lazy/ retarded to do any REAL work experience.

      • ChinaPrat
        Wednesday, August 15, 2012 at 3:04 pm
        KopykatKiller, if you hate it here, then FUCKING LEAVE. Why do some expats insist on comparing China with their home country, and then complain about the air, the culture differences and the government? Why did you come here? Did you ever think, “Well, maybe this place isn’t for me and I should move back to Canada because I’m a bigot asshole and I’m not going to be able to live here without bashing an entire race of people.

        Here are some excerpts from your shitty blog.

        “[about a Japanese house] Perhaps I had gone native, at least a bit, after-all. I was immediately impressed that all the lights worked as we passed through each room, and that there were no water stained or leaking ceiling on the top floor. In China I had never seen a hundred year old home. According to Chinese “experts”, a building that is 20 years old is “a very old building.” ”

        “Even some of my friends commented that it was “ok” that Japan had such a disaster because of Nanjing, which I let slide because it’s not their fault they’ve been lied to their entire lives by the Party. The hate starts young in China. From kindergarten onwards to the end of university, Chinese students are exposed to a steady stream of anti-Japanese propaganda, a “moment of hate” if you will. Lille kids are subjected to a steady stream of war photos, some real some fake, of Japanese atrocities in WWII in an effort to turn them into … well, the Chinese version of Nazi Youth. “
        ____________

        Just how do these blog excerpts support your slander? Everything I say is true.

        • jin

          how is your words truth? the younger generation dont even know what happend with japan, nazi youth??? why is it that i feel like my cousins in china are the same as the friends i have here? they all get angry when someone does something bad, let it me the government or some punk. they all get mad when someone kills a cat, but wont get mad when a kat get killed though. strange isnt it?

          • jin

            oh and if the chinese hate the japanese so much, then why is it that theres plenty of japanese companies in china and japanese people working in chinese companies just fine without any problem??? your words is not the truth, your words is nothing but negative words from a egoist. (it is the truth for you, you are a egoist afterall.)

          • If you knew anything about “Patriotic education” and narrative of “national humiliation” as a part of the Nazi education program then you could easily see the a parallel with China’s “Patriotic education” and narrative of “national humiliation” here in China. in fact, it’s not just parallel, it’s the exact same thing. It’s as if the CCP education department has copied Nazi education to an extreme extent. In the end, all this state sponsored hate will result in the same thing that resulted in Europe.

          • anon

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

            I’m not going to speak for jin because God knows I’ve disagreed with him on many a thing before, but you’re being willfully ignorant and damnably unintelligent. Yes, “patriotic education” and the “century of humiliation” narrative taught in Chinese schools are aspects of state-sponsored nationalism (or as they say, “patriotism”). Yet what jin brings up should be OBVIOUS mitigations preventing you from so confidently declaring its the “same exact thing” (because “same” and “exact” alone wasn’t enough to emphasize just how equivalent they are) and China is doomed to what happened in Europe (for the “same exact” reasons, right?).

            There is historical resentment against the Japanese that is indeed reinforced through state-sponsored education. Even so, there is no lack of Chinese people who give due respect to the Japanese and aren’t nearly as one-dimensional as you are so eager to make them out to be. Or have the past 2 years of reading chinaSMACK been wasted on you? Do you only cherry-pick what you want to remember to validate your grand theory of China and Chinese people?

          • I stand by it. Hitler would be proud of Chinese education. I’m sure he and Mao are laughing it up in hell as I write this.

          • Breaking News!

            Lens poker stands by automatically losing argument.

      • La Mano Gaucha

        Although I think that KopyKatKiller’s posts here and at his blog come off as a bit arrogant, especially considering that the man has lived in the PRC (and Shanghai, at that) for only about three years (along with some time over a decade ago taking some courses), I think that nearly all of you guys are being very unfair to him.

        I may not agree with a good deal of what he says, and I don’t like his writing syle either, but the hostility vented toward him here, especially that delivered by the non-locals, leaves a lot to be desired, particularly since many of the vitriol concerns him being “arrogant” and such, yet most posters are behaving in exactly the same manner or worse… and with little to no convincing arguments.

        The sum total of this thread leaves a nasty taste in my mouth — conflicted waiguorens that need to demonstrate their “superiority” to other non-locals, bitter and humorless locals, and a lot of shallow garbage from all sides. The guy’s original post wasn’t even that bad… and yes, most mainland Chinese folks “look the same”, not so much physically (unless a person has been here for a fairly short amount of time), but in their general manner of dress, comportment or lack thereof, and such (particularly outside of any of the few showcase cities). There’s nothing wrong in making such an observation public because it is true. It’s not China bashing if it is veracious.

        • La Mano Gaucha… I guess KopyKatKiller has chosen, psychologically, a nickname which has the abbreviation KKK and one which could be construed as suggesting ultra-violence or death. However, saying that, as a clueless outsider to CN the nation, some of his MiniFam research has been a useful hard-hitting read.

          • I like the minifam one too, my favorite actually as I create an alternative, yet valid, narrative for the existence of the “ne child policy”. The most popular post commented on in personal messages and private emails was the one “Will China Ever Develop?” Even Ferguson commented that I may be right… I received other comments suggesting that I present a more objective view and avoid stating conclusions which I quickly and politely dismissed. The world has enough writers afraid to make conclusions and caught in the trap of trying to please all possible viewpoints to such an extent that they end up with very little to say themselves and even less for the reader to think about.

          • Breaking News!

            Name-dropping blogger of no renown and few readers defends parroting others mainstream conclusions and saying little as not being afraid to make conclusions and saying much, critics laugh.

          • KopyKatKiller I have a robust view that only a flow of PRC ladies marrying Caucasians and retiring to a comfort-zone of writing in the West (anywhere trans-Atlantic will do) will change China. The book MAO as you mention, is pretty valuable stuff. Women are usually better at forcing change. Take the issue of condoms, and the Pope changing his viewpoint in the last week, and women are behind this.

        • Breaking News!

          Conflicted waiguoren demonstrates superiority with masterful command of “vitriol, comportment, and veracious.”

          • La Mano Gaucha

            I’m sorry that you had to use the dictionary to find those fairly common words… I won’t take the bite you tossed at me via empty ad hominem, however.

    • Capt. WED

      This guy’s been on the run for 8 years. He also was a mercenary in Burma (drugs) until he came back to China in 2004. So this probably pretty dangerous guy.

      BTW NO HOMO your blog is pretty interesting. You raise very interesting points and have made some keen observations. However, have you considered how shitty China was from 1800 to 1949. Then finally China was supposed to have some peace and quiet time Mao went a bit nuts. Even with all that it’s still impressive China was able to get millions out of the I only have $1 per day kind of poverty. Also the entire scientific/academic bases was dismantled by Mao (he didn’t touch the military stuff tho). I do agree with a lot of points you raised regarding the culture. However I feel it’s not all bad. There is the bad aspects of the culture but not everyone is like that. Also tragedy of commons play a role. Your solution of breaking China up into individual states just won’t work in this day & age.

      • Capt. WED

        what the fuck I freak mtyself out sometimes.

      • Shanghai from 1800 to 1949 was a helluvalot better than after 1949, or even today actually. Maybe the breaking up of China wouldn’t work, or perhaps it would, we can’t be sure. But I will say that there is no reason the PRC needs to continue.

        • jin

          what do you know? were you there at 1800 to 1949? when the gangs are ruling the streets of shanghai? and when the foreigners are treating the chinese like trash? how is that better than now, stop talking shit.

          • Today there’s a much more nefariousness gang ruling this city and all the others on the mainland. And yes, they are treating the Chinese like trash. Also, the foreigners in the old days, Shanghailanders, were not rounding up rightests and mascaraing them at the velodrome to the chants of school children like the Maoists. They were racing dogs there.

            If you are wondering how Shanghai would have turned out if it were not for the Party, take a look at HongKong. Better than Shanghai after ’49 and better today.

          • mr. wiener

            You know the interesting thing about Shanghai? It was where all the foreigners who didn’t want to be bound by the laws and conventions in HK went to [ie they could bring more opium into the country]. The “port” itself was a sleepy fishing village that grew apace once the money pored in. And the “Shanghainese”? They came from every other place in China, drawn by thoughts of money and commerce, godforbid even upward mobility, that was denied them in most other places in china.
            jin, everything you say about the past is true, but you must keep things in perspective. The “no dogs and chinese” thing was true [at least in one park], but the Chinese came to Shanghai anyway because THE FOREIGNERS REPRESENTED THE BEST[AND ONLY] CHANCE MANY OF THEM WOULD HAVE IN THEIR LIVES. [sorry about the caps].
            Where do you think the money, the ideas and the influence where coming into China from? Communism, Chiang Kai Shek , liberation, guns and money started out in SH, this vital portal to the outside world. I’m not saying China owes the foreigners anything, their future is their own. Some of the worst bastard racists scum in the world were old China hands, but that evil bitch-whore of a city has shaped the modern China we know. It’s fascinating stuff.
            PS. KoffeeKatKisser is a douchebag troll, don’t feed him :)

          • It seems to me that is I who am feeding the trolls…

          • mr. wiener

            Well it seems to me that it is I who saying to you that is indeed you who is the troll, rather than the feeder of the trolls. Unless of course it seems to you that the trolls are responding to your provocations in a Pavlovian feeding frenzy.

          • anon

            Well it seems to me that it is I who saying to you that is indeed you who is the troll, rather than the feeder of the trolls.

            I now feel better about my quadruple negative sentence above.

          • The Enlightened One

            Wow, you guys really fed this troll to obesity.

            Yeesh, like moths to a flame.

          • jin

            were feeding him till he explode :)

          • Alain

            It was where all the foreigners who didn’t want to be bound by the laws and conventions in HK went to [ie they could bring more opium into the country].

            @ MR W: Interesting you wrote that, you know a lot.

            The saying FILTH (Failed in london try hong kong), now has an extra S (FIHKTS)

          • mr. wiener

            Alan, I thought it was FISHTAIL now. Failed in Shanghai try again in London.

        • Capt. WED

          I wasn’t talking about SH in particular but the entire country. During that time there wasn’t any stability where anything of value could’ve come out it. Look at what US was doing in the 1920s and then look at China. LOL. Yeah go ahead and laugh at other people’s misfortunes / stupidness and feel smug about it because that’s what people do in this world.

          Breaking up China would never work now because of things like trade & migration of workforce & urbanization. Hell that’s the reason they stayed together since forever. Breaking it up may have favorable outcomes eventually but it’s something no one sane would consider. As much as you hate on Chinese national identity there is a common identity, whether you like it or not. (It’s not a communist thing lol.) There are many reasons why Chinese business (NOT ALL) are unscrupulous, saying it’s caused only by regionalism is disingenuous.

          What else before I forget…. OH YEAH the nationalism thing. I certainly don’t refute there is dumbass nationalism in China. Yesterday I was at a friends house and they were watching some show taking place in Manchuria before WWII. So I was like OH NOES those Chinasmackers are right, Chinese T.V are all anti-Japanese set in the 30s! I sat and watched, then I was like WTF some faggot liberal wrote this script. This show was about some rich “landlord” family, so you had a traditional father figure, a daughter in-law, son, and a daughter. They show how the Japanese immgirants were moving in and this guy was just hating on them. Then it showed how his business was failing and he was all like fuck them Japanese yo! But this precisely makes one think why the fuck are you blaming the Japanese for your own stupid shit? Then he goes home and started hating on his daughter, because no man would marry ur ass, and his daughter was like fuck you then stamped off to her room. That shit would never happen in the 30s (actually it would it depends on whether the father dotes on his daugther or not). Yeah, it’s all nationalist anti-japanese shows written by a bunch of faggoty liberals. (side note: all dramas on t.v are really documentaries, especially the ancient time ones).

          Nationalism goes both ways. You think Japanese people don’t have right-wingers. They’re famous for their right-wingers.

          Basically Asians are stupid. It’s 2012 and they’re still stuck being dumbasses.

          • Capt. WED

            like me make it clear his restaurant was right next to the Japanese one and people were all going there instead.

          • Capt. WED

            Liberalism is stupid and just a front.

            It’s all real politks in the real world in international relations.

          • jeffli

            The war! remember the war!

          • Breaking News!

            Salient points obfuscated by history of psychological imbalance.

  • Getrealson

    You could argue both ways really! would love to hear what a forensic analyst had to say. The blood on the wall suggests he may have hit it and rolled into his final position after the initial shots. The first shot may have dropped him to his kness which would explain his feet position (toes curled suggests kneeling position)

    The hole in his forehead looks like an exit wound. Not the kind you get while facing cops in a shoot-out. Also if you are shot in the head front on, you would generally fall backwards. Looks alot like execution. When it comes to shoot-outs though I have seen some strange angles/wounds/body positions so it’s open to interperatation. Guess we’ll never know and even if we found out would anyone care? would anything be done about it?

    Anyway, condolances for the victims R.I.P I hope this is the end of it and should any similar crimes pop up in the next few months we’ll know a little more maybe.

    • Gontraf

      Let’s not get started with the forensics department again ! We all know where this is going…

      Wu Wu ! Wu Wu !

      • Getrealson

        just an observation and food for thought! speaking from experience and feel its relevant as the chinese comments are either conspiracy motivated and/or rightfully sceptical! Is that ok with you? or should I ask you every time I want to post?

        • Gontraf

          Take it easy, it was a harmless joke related to one of the previous threads.

    • The Enlightened One

      I think he fired off a few shots (thought the cops would run for cover or get hit), turned to run and was hit in the waist… dropped to his knees then WHAM! Right through the head…

      But I am no Sherlock Holmes mind you.

  • The Enlightened One

    Well, glad this filth is removed from the streets.

    I am not really one of those bleeding-hearts for the bad guy types that commit multiple murders of innocent people. You can’t lock up a Tiger and expect it to change its ways… Sigfried and Roy found that out the hard way. Just putting it down is the only way to remove it as a threat without placing the burden on the government, tax payers.

    Good riddance, he deserved a more painful death.

    • mr. wiener

      Bye Zhou. You will not be missed, neither were you missed.

      • The Enlightened One

        Haha… no he wasn’t, good one.

      • ChinaPrat

        well done sir

  • Justice served! Live by the gun die by the gun!

    This would be a very interesting story to know details of…I mean he must have had some serious motivation and training of some kind. He eluded the security forces for so long. Is he a Robin Hood? What’s his story? His phone must have some numbers that the police will be interested in. Very interesting…no matter the story he did deserve what he got.

  • Alexander

    Glory to the Chinese Police force of Chongqing! Excellent work. Its only a pity he couldn’t have been beaten to death with hammers. Notice the gun he has is the old style model made by Norinco Arms in China. Now remember you still have to cut off his head so he can’t come back as a zombie. Nonetheless this was excellent work and I praise the Chongqing police for kicking some ass; Shanghai police could learn a lot from Chongqing…..

  • Dr Dust Cell

    Dammit this guy’s mug WAS posted everywhere.

    • jeffli

      Well I bet his father wasn’t Li Gang? eh?

  • moonmickey

    So many clowns ungrateful drones think “America should butt out of other people’s affairs”.

    If they had “butted out” in WW2, China would now be part of the Japanese empire and the language would be Japanese.

    • jin

      they only butted in WW2 because their ships got attacked by germany.
      americans are now still starting war all over the world, for reasons without proof or with fake proof. after they killed some dictators in the world, the country only got worse and worse, the hate against americans from those countries are HUGE.

      • Like the hate from all the countries surrounding China?

      • donscarletti

        The Pearl Harbour attack was conducted by the Japanese Empire. Germany didn’t want to provoke the US, since it had already picked a huge fight with the USSR.

      • mr. wiener

        jin
        People hate the yanks now [maybe “resent” would be a better word] as they are the paramount nation in the world. If China every get to the top spot [and that is a huge “if”] Then the resulting loathing will make dislike of the Americans seem like a match next to bonfire by comparison.
        The Americans always worried about what people thought of them, even though for the longest time so many of them seemed to think everyone loved America. The last decade came as a very unwelcome shock to this complacency.
        The Chinese by comparison have a very inward focusing culture, and get hugely defensive about any outside criticism.

        • Nanny Hiccups

          That is very true Mr. Weiner. Americans were utterly shocked, after 9/11. We were some of the only people in the world who could visit a country and if there was trouble, simply say “we’re american” and that was enough.

          When it comes to hating America, Chris Rock said it best… “You know why people hate America? Because we’re the only country in the world where people go hunting on a full stomach.”

    • “If they had “butted out” in WW2, China would now be part of the Japanese empire and the language would be Japanese.” I doubt they’d be speaking Japanese… But at least they wouldn’t have the CCP and that’d be a very good thing indeed.

      • Barack Obama

        Dumbass ugly hate troll face man strikes again. Every country hates every other country that borders it in this world. Mexico hates USA just as much as say Vietnam hates China. And most of the hate on China springs from jealousy.

        • Tengu

          Norway and Sweden get along…I think it’s the blondes…

          • rollin wit 9’s

            regarding your comment above: excellent work kohai.

        • “most of the hate on China springs from jealousy.” Yeah, ’cause every country wishes they had a billion uneducated peasants! Sure…

          • jin

            and yes! ofcourse its obvious youre not hating on china :)

          • Isn’t it obvious? I’m jealous of course. What loawai wouldn’t give his left nut to be a Chinese peasant?

          • BigJ

            I would love to have a billion peasants. I could get all kinds of shit done.

          • Baroke Obama

            In my eyes you’re no better than a Chinese peasant :)

    • Breaking News!

      Critic of China and defender of America declares involvement should not to be differentiated between desired and undesired.

  • Sean

    Ha! YOU CALL THAT A SERIAL KILLER??? 9??? American serial killers call that “going to the movies”!!

    • AngryCanadien

      LOL. a little too soon buddy to be making that joke.

      • Sean

        I considered that. I went against my better judgement.

        • mr. wiener

          I was drinking a taiwan beer [gold medal] when I read this and a goodly proportion of it shot out of my nose. Ow, it hurts when i breath, nasty ,but funny.

  • 404namenotfound

    Head shot! +100

  • Sean

    But seriously, who thinks the only reason this guy was shot dead was because the government’s monopoly on wanton murder was threatened by this guys notoriety?

    • This was a simple example of letting the other 1.4 billion know that this behavior will never be tolerated and harmony has been restored… say no more.

    • mopedchi

      CCP wants to harvest his organs

      • Dr SUN

        you know its actually the “Communist party of China ” CPC not CCP , right ?

        seen this mistake so often from posters here

        • Winter B4 Spring

          CCP = Chinese communist party.
          no?
          =D
          just saying. peace yo

  • Cleo

    So he’s been living on the poor man’s version of Yamashita’s Gold all this time and only emerged to refuel?

    He must have been a bully and remorseless to do what he did. This will make other bullies mind their manners.

  • B

    Kopycatkiller. I think what you say is very reasonable.
    Chinese cant take criticism , they always try to divert the topic to for example the U.S as in two wrongs would make it right. Was that not also one of the guidlines in the leaked memo from the party, that taught Chinese trolls how to respond to criticism?
    I have a few Chinese friends who hates Japan they always bring up the massacre in nanjing. I find it amusing that they hold such a grudge against Japans old deeds but when it comes to their own rulers and the countless murderers during revolution up to date, the denial of Chinese to be free in form of speech , writing , assembling, religion , information etc , in this regard they instantly say it is for the greater good of the country .
    Yeah until they come for you and there is no one left to speak up.
    Well Kopycatkiller , I don’t find your words racism, but perhaps you can take some time and write a blogupdate about what you actually love about China in response to criticism in this thread.
    Personally I’m strongly against the Communist party but it is a shame that Chinese identify themselves with the party and take any words aimed at the party as words aimed at the Chinese people. For me China is much more than the sad rule of the CCP.

    • Linette

      …..I have a few Chinese friends who hates Japan they always bring up the massacre in nanjing………..

      You bring up massacre in nanjing is making your whole argument weak. Any human being have the right to be angry at Japan for denying massacre nanjing did actually happened. The japanese claimed it never happened. You don’t have to be chinese to get angry at what Japan did like you don’t have to be jews to get angry at what nazi did. Except what the J did to C is like 100 times more brutal than what the N did to the Jews. Go watch some history videos. Beware! make sure you have a good stomach to watch. You will see photos of Japanese chopping chinese kids into pieces or gut out their intestine for fun. Set chinese men on fire burned them alive. Raped cities of every female old or young. Set up comfort women stations raped them until they died. AT the end no one survived or live to tell their horror story or even get compensation from all that torture.
      Then Japan the whole nation still claimed nanjing massacre never happened, so us Chinese are still angry. Maybe it’s time for Japan to stop denying.

      • Dr SUN

        Agreed, it’s pointless to deny it happened

        • linette

          yES, give some respect to those victims had died. Japan should put massacre in nanjing in their history book in public school. It’s only fair and honest to teach true history to children. Just like China should teach tiananmen square 1989 protest to their children in school. Be honest about it.

    • Breaking News!

      Shared prejudice deemed reasonable basis for determining what is reasonable, heads explode.

  • Sea_Horse_Mirror

    I remember clicking on the Xinhua article with the uncensored photo. For a government agency you’d think they attach a warning before ruining lunch for me. I’m more amaze the Chinese cops manage to shoot anything.

    Even though he wasn’t trialed if he has a firearm on him, that is against the law in China so I’m pretty sure he would have at least gone to jail for something or another.

    • maybe he got the gun from one of the bORder areas in the west like Kashgar.
      intereview wit the the 2 cops

  • Tengu

    Serial killing has come a long way since being the sole venue for 20-45 year old Caucasian males.

    Eileen Wournos and now this dude, barriers are breaking down all over.

    Nice to see diversity.

  • Dr. Jones Jr.

    Yikes, I lived in Shapingba for a year and a half (several years ago) and was actually staying (this July) in the nearby city of Beibei (you can see that name, Beibei, on one of the street signs in the pictures with the article). To think this guy was hiding out only a 30 min drive away!

  • Som Amur Efat

    it looks like they shot literally all of the blood out of his body.

  • Bo Xilai For Emperor

    This should include rapists too

  • bert

    Only in China are fanny packs still in style. And black dress shoes with no socks in shorts is just retarded!

    Why are the police wearing plastic shoe covers outside?

  • Con ate dog

    Good riddance. Sometimes a murderous punk is just a murderous punk.

  • Sunshine

    Bet he was shot dead for his name, if you know what I mean.

  • Matt

    I live in Chongqing and each news story is saying something different. Some say he was killed by the police, others day he committed suicide.

    You never know in china.. It’s all changeable.

    • Baroke Obama

      a lot like Christianity wouldn’t you say?

  • Xiongmao

    Can’t shed a tear for this douche but does anyone else think the head wound looks like an execution shot? I wouldn’t exactly be surprised if one of the cops went up to him and finished him off after he went down. Personally, I think life in a Chinese work camp/prison is a harder sentence than death.

    • Xiu

      Long time I know, but didn’t see this story until now. Like the one netizen said, this is a ‘side of the head’ wound, with the cartridge next to the body. Certainly suicide. The story slightly doctored to give the police more ‘face’

  • QatariCat

    Who decided it was a good idea to take a photo of a dead body bleeding all over the street, upload it to the internet, and for you to put it on the front page of your site without censor or warning? It doesn’t bother me but others might not be so unfazed

    I like some of the responses though, no matter how serious their alleged crimes I think it’s a shame when wanted criminals are killed (or commit suicide) before receiving a proper trial and taking responsibility for their actions

    • Monkey

      Only in Chinasmack…

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  • saynotoyanks

    Shoot first never ask questions later, only in communist china

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