Shenzhen Woman’s Ultrasound Says Her Prostate Is Normal

A Chinese woman in Shenzhen holds up her ultrasound report from a local private hospital showing that her prostate is normal.

From NetEase:

Shenzhen female patient’s type-B ultrasound report says “prostate normal”

Miss Zou went to the Shenzhen Bao’an District Guangsheng Hospital for an examination because of a stomach ache, and was surprised to find details about a prostate on her type-B ultrasound report. Afterward, the hospital admitted that the doctor involved was not careful and this was a result of him having used the report template of an earlier male patient. Miss Zou at the same time questioned whether the doctor had made an error in his diagnosis, saying the mass that the hospital recommended surgery for had disappeared after just taking medication. After negotiations, Guangsheng Hospital ultimately refunded the patient’s medical expenses, and compensated her with 5000 yuan.

Hospital apologizes for not carefully examining

May 2nd around 6am in the morning, Miss Zou arrived at nearby private hospital Guangsheng Hospital for an examination because of a belly ache. The doctor performed a type-B ultrasound examination, discovered “a 50x36mm mass on the left side of the uterus”, and so recommended surgery and even wrote her a 3 day medical leave note [for her employer].

Miss Zhou says she went home and took 6 Western medicine pills but again vomited them out, and around 10pm that night her abdomen was in great pain, leading her to rush to the emergency room but was unable to find that doctor. On the morning of the 3rd, she went to Fuyong People’s Hospital. “The hospital looked at my type-B ultrasound report and then bewilderingly asked, ‘You’re a woman, why does your type-B ultrasound report mention a prostate?'” It was here that Miss Zou realized that a prostate was a male-specific sex gland and was truly startled.

This reporter saw on Miss Zou’s type-B ultrasound report that there is indeed a “Prostate size and shape normal” written within. In response, Guangsheng Hospital admitted the error, and the hospital’s Medical Affairs Department Chief Yang said this was because the doctor was not careful during his examination, caused this by using the inspection template from the previous male patient, and apologized to Miss Zou on behalf of the hospital.

Patient questions whether hospital recommended unnecessary surgery

However, Miss Zou also suspected that the doctor’s diagnosis was wrong. She says the “50x36mm mass” that was discovered at Guangsheng Hospital had disappeared just 14 hours later when she was examined at 1am in the morning at Fuyong People’s Hospital the next day. In the type-B ultrasound report issued by Fuyong People’s Hospital, it is clearly written “There are currently no obvious abnormal lumps on both sides of the uterus.” Miss Zou as a result suspects Guangsheng Hospital had used this as a pretext to have her undergo an unnecessary surgical procedure.

In response, the hospital director Ye said the doctor had only said surgery may be necessary, that the lump had disappeared after the patient had taken medication, and ultimately she did not choose surgery. As a result, though they had made a mistake, it had not actually affected the patient’s treatment.

Yesterday morning around 10am, when a Bao’an Television reporter was reporting this matter, a Guangsheng Hospital Medical Affairs Department Chief surnamed Yang wrestled away a video camera and hospital security subsequently threw the camera into the planters. Yesterday afternoon around 2pm, Guangsheng Hospital held a press conference concerning this incident where Department Chief Yang bowed in apology to this journalist and promised to compensate for the loss.

During the press conference, the hospital once again expressed apology to the patient. Through negotiations, Guangsheng hospital refunded the patient over 700 yuan in medical expenses and compensated her with 5000 yuan.

Miss Zou's ultrasound report indicating an abnormal mass, but her prostate is normal.Reporters interviewing Miss Zou.

Comments from NetEase:

真看透了 [网易河南省郑州市网友]:

Good thing she didn’t listen to that doctor’s recommendation for surgery.

流氓小亨 [网易江西省九江市网友]:

I admit I was thinking dirty again, and started thinking of the patient’s B [cunt]…

ghghjjhhjfdsdsrettrh [网易四川省网友]:

Even daring to go into a private hospital! So brave!

网易广东省手机网友:

This is what our beloved hospitals are like.

韦德迷 [网易黑龙江省网友]:

Prostate? I thought she might’ve been Brother Chun!

yy983728 [网易安徽省界首市网友]:

This woman says, “I’m not from Thailand, really! How come you guys don’t believe me?

西安戴妃 [网易陕西省西安市网友]:

There was a farmer who raised two hens. The eggs produced by one were large and the eggs produced by the other were small. The large ones sell for 1.5 yuan at the market, while the small ones sell for 1 yuan. One day, the farmer yelled at the hen that produces small eggs and the hen replies: “I’m not so SB as to open my ass so larger for just five mao!

网易山东省烟台市网友:

This is a strange country…

恶魔也温柔 [网易海南省三亚市网友]:

As an ambitious youth with a dream, my ambitious dream is to emigrate to America!

淫民档圆 [网易河北省保定市网友]:

The examination is just going through the motions, they’ll give you any sort of report. A relative of mine had gone to another city for work, and had check-ups every year. For 3 consecutive years no problems were ever discovered, and then last year he died of liver cancer.

鬟秀 [网易湖北省随州市网友]:

Private hospital, haha.
Other than hospitals, and in situations without a monopoly, what other industry/business is better when public rather than private?

网易陕西省西安市网友:

Some hospitals can find a problem/illness even if there isn’t any. At most, they’ll just cut you up and sew you back up. You won’t know any better. And you may even thank the “saintly doctors” afterward.

linyulinyu83 [网易黑龙江省大庆市网友]:

This kind of thing happening at a private hospital is not surprising anymore. I’ve personally had hospitals often tell me I have a disease when I don’t.

Have you ever experienced a doctor or hospital mistake?

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  • Jeff

    Get off my prostate bitches…

    • mr. wiener

      Funny thing was when I went to the doctor the other day he told me the size and shape of my ovaries were normal…time to get a second opinion?

      • typingfromwork

        Time to get impregnated and make medical history a la Junior.

  • yesyes

    “Little Weiner Little Weiner!!!!”

    “Yes Dr. Pu!!!”

    “Bring in the next patient!”

  • Jeff

    Is it me or has anyone else noticed that Chinese hospitals are vile and disgusting?

    • Ryo

      It’s like with everything. You get what you pay for. There are nice hospitals here. But they cost 5-10 times as much. Also, there are government run hospitals and, as you see in the article, private ones. The government runs are much better and a lot cleaner. All the doctors are real doctors with degree and certifications. The one I went to, they have LCD monitors in front of every exam room just for queuing up numbers, the doctor’s name, and hours! The place is very clean. There are old ladies with a mop constantly sweeping the floors. Doctors and nurses wearing clean, unstained uniforms.

      But of course, that kind of quality comes with a price. Again, just like everything else China. You CAN get quality stuff here. You just gotta pay for it.

    • Appalled@everything

      Hmm, now that you mention it.

      It can be overwhelming, when you see mother’s letting their babies defaecate in the wash basin, or discarded cotton balls with blood on them all over the floor, or people standing impossibly close to you in the queue while coughing, or the general state of all equipment looking around thirty years old, and the stairwells being full of cigarette smoke, and the doctors asking you a MAX of three questions before making their diagnosis, it really sends it home.

      I had a Shanghai doctor tell me I was full of shit once when I described severe pain in my hand, and said that the problem I was experiencing was all psychosomatic, SIX doctors later I finally found out I had a tumor growing under my fingernail and needed surgery. That’s some painful shit right there. Doesn’t help when a doctor can’t do his Goddamned job and tells you it’s all in your mind.

      • moop

        切! 那才不是肿瘤呢, 你上火了哥们儿! 没鸡巴事

        • Appalled@everything

          Yeah, it was a tumor. And you can suck my balls if you wanna say otherwise. Can’t even challenge me in my native tongue, fuck, you are worthless.

          • moop

            yeah it was a tumor, i was clearly being sarcastic. i guess i should have labelled my comment, but i was basically putting word in you first doctor’s mouth, basically my guess at what he told you. i do suggest you go back to the 6th doctor and see if he can get the sand out of your front bum (for mr weiner)

          • Appalled@everything

            Well, fair enough, but yeah, you make it hard for me to translate a Chinese character comment and not miss the sarcasm. Would have probably not missed it if you had used English.

  • eattot

    哈哈哈哈!
    so funny!
    but chinese doctors are so useless…my sister’s son,his nose bleeds so often, she took him here and there, but still helpless…

    • chinese hospice are useful only for basic care. but if you need advanced cancer treatment you are better off flying to cuba

      • StupidAmerican

        or if you’re American, Japan’s a great spot for medical tourism.

    • MassiveBender

      Totally, my girlfriend’s dad died recently and it really showed me how infinitely superior free healthcare is to private. The doctors are useless and lazy and the hospitals are only interested in profit, her dad had to pay 5000 a day to die and they didn’t tell her the reality (that he was definitely going to die) nor did they operate and they wanted payment up front. That is more than the most expensive 5* hotel and you’re a hostage in this dingy shit-hole. The oft hand-wrung over democracy makes almost no difference to people’s lives, the communist government is not ideal but it’s not the oppressive tyranny that one would imagine, I’d say people in England are way more scared of stepping out of line; but free health care is so essential and so much more important; so much more of a human right and not to have it is barbaric and leads to farcical situations like the one in this article.

      • Luobo

        Couldn’t agree more. I was absolutely stunned when I discovered that a country with an ostensibly “Communist” ruling party did not have universal healthcare…

        I find that although there are many differences there are also many similarities between the US and China. The US is a republic in name only and China is communist in name only

    • anon

      Has your sister’s son exhibited signs of telekinesis?

      • Fucking awesome. Hahahahahahahahaha.

        Was thinking Xavier, but Maxwell Lord (Justice League International) would be closest.

        Or the kids from that movie where they find the meteor and the three of them can do awesome shit with their minds, cool movie.

        • anon

          That’s exactly the movie I was alluding to. Though it was never explained what that actually was and it didn’t look like a meteor.

          • True enough, but it didn’t resemble the surrounding earth and rock formations and was definitely alien in power, so I assumed it must be a meteorite made of some sort of radioactive or otherwise energized material.

            Too bad the bullied kid doesn’t realize that he had actually made some friends, but years on the defensive had hardened and insulated him from other people.

  • Ok… so in China’s education system no one is taught about the human body and all the fun stuff??? Wow. I don’t know which is worse. A woman who has a prostate and beleives she has one, or the doctors who tell their patients that they need surgery and are not paying attention.

    I know there are lots of fault with Western medical systems too… but I’ve never heard of a doctor telling a woman she’d got some man parts and was wrong about it.

    • anon

      Its more like she didn’t really know what a prostate is. A lot of people don’t, or they may have learned it at one point and just don’t remember. Nothing strange with that. She may just be uneducated overall, wouldn’t be surprising in a migrant worker city like Shenzhen.

      I don’t think the doctor told her she has man parts. There’s not enough information available but I can imagine the male template report reason being plausible, but to be sure we’d need to know how the exam is conducted, the data collected/inputted, and how the report printout is prepared. Getting stuff mixed up isn’t unheard of in Western medicine and hospitals either.

      None of this excuses the doctor for not doing things properly. We don’t know if the mass really was there or not and parts of the article suggest the medication he prescribed may have helped if the mass was there and is no longer. Overall, hard to say, too many questions and not enough details/facts to review. All we know is that the hospital did admitted the doctor didn’t prepare the report carefully but argued the other. Was the 5000 an admission of error for the exam report or also for the recommendation for surgery? Is 5000 RMB adequate compensation for an erroneous recommendation of surgery? Or is 5000 what was deemed acceptable by both parties to let the matter go? Again, hard to say.

      • mr. wiener

        Apparently “Woman” wouldn’t have any problems finding her prostate if she had one. Sex toys have many uses….

  • lxpatterson

    Where do foreigners get treatment in China? I know if I got sick (as a tourist), travel insurance or not, I would pay for a plane ticket out of my own pocket to go get care in Hong Kong.

    • Jeff

      My plan is go to Hong Kong or Japan. Or if really serious to Israel where socialized medicine is available. Of course going home to the US is an option BUT with no medical insurance the quality of care is not guaranteed.

      • eattot

        you two are dying?
        do not just behave like idiots. there are international foreign hospitals in shanghai, they have foreign doctors too.
        but u two sounds too stupid, go die soon better.

        • matt

          The international hospitals in China are ok, but they aren’t exactly world-class (even though they charge world-class prices). If you are a hotshot foreign doctor, you normally wouldn’t take a job in Shanghai or Beijing. They can typically find a job closer to home that pays more.

          An international hospital might land a great doctor that is following their spouse to Shanghai or really wanted to live in China, but that’s the exception, not the rule.

        • StupidAmerican

          International hospitals are usually just hospitals where you can rent the rooms, hire a doctor for 10k/day to work on a surgery and everything is done without insurance. If I’m a quack from the U.S., I would have no trouble getting work in those hospitals. If your surgery falls through, nobody’s going to be responsible. Gotta check those contracts.

          Best to go to Japan where there are max prices on operations and tests than trust quacks who go abroad to enjoy lives after a malpractice suit they had state-side.

          • pada

            Seems American quacks haven’t changed.
            All Chinese know how the most famous reformer Liang Qichao, who escaped quite some assasinations like Castro, ended up with the good kidney cut away and bad one happily survived by an American, I mean democratic, quack in Peking Union Hospital. :)

          • mr. wiener

            Do you have a link for this story? I didn’t really understand the way you explained it. Some thing about a Chinese guy being mistaken for Castro, donating a kidney to an American and losing the other in exchange for some Peking duck in a hospital >.<

          • Nyancat

            nobody understand’s anything pada says, but it does make for good lols though.

          • pada

            @Wiener
            Your joke is not bad, though no better than mine where a very good functioning kidney, instead of the rotten one, were removed, by the famous American hospital in 1926 (Ja, Ja, I know it was a Chinese hospital, but only after its handover to Chinese in 1931).
            The reason you couldnt enjoy it completely, is you actually dont know who this Liang Qichao is. So enlighten yourself here and then you can storm out your classroom screaming “I am smarter now!” :)
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liang_Qichao

            @Nyancat
            I’ve never expected you redneck to understand’s anything I say, since I know you are good at pretending to be in deep sleep when screwed, though you always pull your pants up when seeing a sign “say no to crack”.

          • mr. wiener

            Thanks for the link Pada, I promise to storm around saying I’m smarter now.
            Not sure what you were saying to Nyancat, something about not doing crack when you post perhaps? Sounds like words to live by.

          • Yes because an isolated case from 86 years ago by a singular American doctor in a chinese hospital clearly compares to the atrocious ‘hospitals’ in china from 2012…

            Do you know how cheap amd incredibly effective hot water and disinfectant soap is? How about not having fecal matter on your hands or ass due to lack of toilet paper?

            Here’s idea, why don’t you read up on antibiotic-resistant infections and the causes of them? While you’re at it, perhaps you can remind us all of where the majority of new virus strains are coming from?

            Nevermind, you’re obviously not well-versed in logic and common sense, let alone reality. Idiotic troll is idiotic.

        • jeffli

          International foreign hospitals are not so international and not so foreign run.

          15,000RMB for after hours asthma treatment. that is near 1700USD!!!!
          And still had a useless local doctor, He nearly killed my nephew!
          If I had children they would not be living here! – It is sad but it is true.
          The local doctors don’t wash their hands…..the smell of E.Coli from their hands.
          actually very few people wash their hands here. let alone use soap to wash them! (there’s no soap to save money)

          recycling syringes – AIDS / Hepatitis / god-only-knows-what-else spread through hospitals and clinics – Whole cities infected with AIDS in China.

          Water purification companies cheating and infecting people with brain eating worms.
          China is as risky as the wild African states. China is a zoo!
          lead and mercury in Chinese herbal medicines.
          re-used ZhenJiu needles infecting people
          WHO ESTIMATE :1 in 4 have viral hepatitis in China – stop poo-ing on top of the vegetables!
          Cholera outbreaks,
          fake medicine
          poison laced medicine
          and more idiot and cruel doctors than the PLA has bullets! Are leading up to another society break down like in 1966 here?

          • Alan

            Here’s idea, why don’t you read up on antibiotic-resistant infections and the causes of them? While you’re at it, perhaps you can remind us all of where the majority of new virus strains are coming from?

            elijah is wrong in his previous posting. This happens in the UK (and Canada!) too, or how to explain:

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/05/04/handwashing-c-difficile-mrsa-hospital-infections.html

          • Alan

            actually very few people wash their hands here. let alone use soap to wash them!

            Got to admit, in most public toilets, except for some restaurants toilets never seen soap.

            It’s nuts as even the squeezy bottle kills all germs handwash type isn’t uber expensive.

        • staylost

          I really agree with you here eattot.

          Chinese healthcare is largely good at the better public hospitals, especially for common complaints.

          If you want to be admitted for something potentially mortal (i.e. “you two are dying?”), then you might think about leaving China for treatment. But there are more reasons to do that than just medical quality. Leaving China to go to your home country would allow you family support and cultural understanding of what is expected.

          For example, I wouldn’t be willing to stay in a Chinese hospital for something serious because they would only tell me wife what was really going on and let her make all the decisions. I love my wife and all, but my health is at least as much my business as hers.

          • Little Wolf

            OK Staylost….this is my story…I’m telling you since I think you maybe practice at the hospital where this took place:

            Early one evening about 4 years ago, I had the pleasure of experiencing a pain so excruciating, I can only describe it as “ a direct kick in the nuts by a mule except the pain in my nuts continued up to my lower chest”. (to put it mildly) Also…usually when you get kicked in the balls you’ll writhe around in agony for a moment or 2 but the pain subsides. This pain….didn’t. It came on so quickly I was barely able to dial my phone to call my friend to take me to the hospital and in the confusion I had forgotten my passport. When I arrived at the emergency room at the largest hospital in Hangzhou, they stuck me in a bed in a corner and a doctor asked a couple of questions and disappeared and thus began the longest and most horrible night of my life. A tragic-comedy of miscommunications and incompetence on all parties involved(including myself I suppose) led to 14 hours of negligence by the hospital staff, not a single painkiller and me just trying to endure 1 minute at a time. My boss showed up the next morning and dragged me to the main international hospital where a flurry of activity began as it was explained to me later….I’d had 4 dice-sized gall stones that had punctured an intestine and became abcessed and poisoned my system to where I was sporting a 106 degree fever and was minutes from an untimely demise. All surgeries were pushed back that morning and I was rushed into surgery(but not before my boss paid for the procedure in advance) As soon as they wheeled me in the operating room I practically ripped the regulator out of the anesthesiologist’s hand and inhaled as if I had just broke the surface after sinking with the Titanic.(the sooner I was knocked out, the sooner the pain would be gone) The surgery was fairly non-evasive but still took a lot out of me and I was in the hospital for a week and home almost a month for recovery. To this day….my face muscles are still locked in a permanent grimace that may never un-freeze to my former pleasant face.

            I still have the stones….. souveineers of my descent into the bowels of Hell…in a jar which I show to houseguests sometimes. (The chicks dig it!)

            The ironic twist of this experience is…..as I was wheeled out of the hospital that had saved my life I noticed a sign that stated it was the Chinese affiliate of the same hospital that had killed my father while he was in surgery from injuries suffered in a skydiving accident in California and my family had only recently settled with.

            “The hospital giveth, the hospital taketh away”

          • anon

            I really enjoyed your story.

          • Nyancat

            holy crap it’s good you’re still around. Interesting and fucked up story man…

          • mr. wiener

            Fucked up story mate. *ow!* hurts even thinking about it. Maybe you can get those stones polished up and give em’ to a girl friend as earings. If she accepts them she’s a keeper :)

          • staylost

            As soon as you described the pain I knew it was some sort of abdominal stone. I’ve had friends pass out within seconds after the pain starts and my Mom has had one of her kidneys removed after much damage from kidney stones. My Mom is built like a Chinese woman and I was 8+ pounds at birth, while my brother was 9 lbs. My Mom says there is no comparison; abdominal stones are so much more painful than natural childbirth. For you to go all night without passing out or trying to knock yourself out, I must say you may have some of the highest pain tolerance I’ve personally heard of.

            I guess what I take from your story (other than feeling sad about your father; I’ve been skydiving in Perris, California) is the reconfirmation of my belief that doctors aren’t that different from plumbers or mechanics. They aren’t perfect 100% of the time and they’ll expect to get paid either way. I grew up among medicine, so I have a healthy understanding of the fact that the best specialist in the world makes mistakes sometimes too. And yes, they ought to be liable for that.

            But the real message is the same one LFA preaches from time to time: research your illnesses yourself so that you at least have an idea of whether the doctor as incompetent as the one in this article. Protect yourself; a hospital wants to help, but they also want to stay in the black, which means they limit a doctor’s time with the patient.

            Of course your story illustrates why for mortal concerns (emergency surgery or death), Chinese hospitals still have a ways to go. It isn’t that good care isn’t available, but that bad care is also available and you don’t know which you are getting.

          • Little Wolf

            Staylost:
            You probably guessed by the proximity to your California hospital… Skydive Perris was the scene of my father’s accident. I spent alot of my youth there and Elsinore (my dad was a pilot, flight and skydiving instructor) Sorry to disappoint the sharks of this forum…his accident was not nearly as dramatic as say…….his chute catching fire and falling to earth, leaving a crater in the desert, his body the texture of tapioca pudding. He wore a Pacemaker the last 7 years of his life. During a routine Sunday afternoon jump (his 3rd of the day) the opening shock of his chute confused the computer chip of the Pacemaker that he was suffering a heart attack and it sent 3 massive jolts of electricity rendering my dad unconscious as he was descending and floating far from the landing zone. He awoke just in time to avoid landing in the middle of the 215 Freeway but took a hard landing but suffered relatively minor injuries. Several days later….he went to LLH for a minor outpatient surgery on his back during which the surgeon accidently sliced straight through his intestine causing his chest to fill up with gas and choking him to death.
            He is still floating around over the Perris Airport where I filled up a wampum bag with his ashes and hurled myself out at 13,000 feet and set him free. We had it filmed and I challenge anyone to watch it without blubbering. One of my sisters took another portion of ashes and dropped them into the surf at Huntington Beach where he’d been a lifeguard for several years and my brother that works at for the space program managed to put his portion on a rocket and shot him into outer space. Basically…..the guy has done more after his death than a lot of people do in a lifetime.
            I like to think there is some value in sharing his story here and backing up your advice. He had Rheumatic Fever as a small child that damaged his heart and he suffered severe asthma. This did not slow him down in the least and probably was his main motivation. He was on the All-American swim team, attended college on a full athletic scholarship and swam in the 1960 Rome Olympics. He was always curious about his condition and subscribed to the Harvard Medical Journal and other medical news letters(This was back in the 60s….long before the Internet) always keeping informed of medical breakthroughs. As a result …he knew more about the human heart than most doctors and was constantly exposing incompetent doctors(this saved his life more than a few times) He suffered several major strokes throughout his life(even before I was born) but always cheated death because of his excellent fitness and awareness of his condition.
            I was with him for Stroke #6 and he was cool as a cucumber as we waited for the ambulance and calmly walked me through, writing down his vitals and other stats. By the time the EMTs arrived there was nothing for them to do except load him on the gurney.
            3 hours after driving him home from his release from the hospital for Stroke #7 we were flying over the Pacific doing barrel-rolls and loop-the-loops in his Decathlon stunt plane. The guy couldn’t sit still for a minute.
            So you can imagine the irony of him dying such an undignified death caused by completely unrelated causes at the ripe old age of 76.

            (After perusing my writing above, I wonder if I should submit this long-ass post for one of those “Chicken Soup For The Soul” books……. Whattaya think?)

            As far as my own medical experience…..I learned several things the hard way. The first is that it is amazing what you can endure when you don’t have a choice. Second, I was so sick of hearing about the (alleged) higher threshold of pain of Chinese over westerners and I wasn’t going to give them the satisfaction. I was envious of the car accident victim they brought in all bloody since he’d already been presented with a morphine drip and I considered throwing myself out a window in an attempt to get their attention and achieve injuries the doctors would deem worthy of the good drugs.

            Most of the foreigners on this site have been around and have their own horror stories of China hospitals, but my best advice, for what it’s worth, is not to catch yourself off-guard the way I was and make sure you have a contingency plan and a confidante that you can trust with your life to see that you’re looked after properly. I was in a pain-induced state of delirium and pretty much at the mercy of a bunch of dumbfucks that in order to bypass any responsibility of having to deal with the death of a foreigner decided that if they ignored me long enough I’d go somewhere else and become somebody else’s problem. It worked.

          • anon

            Again, thanks for sharing your story or in this case your father’s story.

            I’ve never heard of Chinese people thinking they have more pain-tolerance than foreigners. The closest thing I’ve heard is them being more able to “chi ku”, which is to endure hardships without whining. It’s usually in the context of foreigners (read: white people from developed first-world nations) being lazier, less hard-working, more prone to going on strike/protests. It gets thrown at Europeans more than Americans sometimes.

            Do you really think they ignored you in hopes of you going elsewhere? I can imagine them ignoring you because they don’t know what to do, but I don’t know about something as evil as the former. Not saying it isn’t possible, but it sounds like thinking the worst of them rather than what is likely. Nonetheless, I don’t think they can escape being labeled negligent and incompetent in general.

          • Little Wolf

            anon: Thanks for the props on my work. I may have matched your level of walls of text :-) My problem is I never learned to type and every thing I compose is pecked with my right forefinger so….it took me awhile. For some reason, I thought people could learn from my mistakes and it was kind of therapeutic to tell my Dad’s story and I appreciate that nobody has condemned me for being self-indulgent.

            The “Chinese have a higher tolerance for pain” myth is something I am certain alot of other foreigners can vouch for having been told this, especially by doctors. Which I always question everytime I bump into one when exiting an elevator and the act like I stabbed them in the chest. The “ignore me long enough so I’ll leave” was also certainly factor in the shitty treatment I received at the first hospital, though admittedly, not the only factor. As I said, it was a colosall failure of everybody involved. But…you know….live and learn.

          • staylost

            Personally, I attest to the cultural factors that Little Wolf talks about here.

            Most cultures view themselves as tough, and pain tolerance is part of that. But each group has their own idea of what should be endured. I get in bike accidents all the time around Hangzhou and all the Chinese people are ready to send me to the hospital for some road rash and a view bruises. But a little Chinese traditional massage and the laowai are all a bunch of crybabies (really).

            In fact westerners have the same bias. Most American ER doctors who spend time in Chinese ERs are amazed at some of the cases brought in. People will pretend to faint and act like their small complaint might kill them. Invariably these doctors go through a stage where they think Chinese are the most pitiful people ever.

            About the ignoring: this is a clear signal in Chinese culture. It is a clear way to say “no”. Westerners often see it as either “wait” or extremely rude/weak. Chinese people tend to pretend to ignore things they don’t want to deal with, and that is an accepted and recognize form of speech here. I don’t know what those doctors were really meaning to do with Little Wolf, but for him to guess that they were saying “No, we won’t treat you” completely fits Chinese culture and Chinese medical culture.

            Lastly, sounds like your Dad was awesome. May he rest in peace (although that sounds like it might be a bit too low key for him). Although I don’t work for that hospital in southern California, I am sorry for what happened to him.

      • bert

        Nothing is guaranteed, even in HK, Japan or Israel. Generally the US still has excellent treatment.

        • mr. wiener

          Come to Taiwan. The healthcare is excellent. Maybe not so cheap for non-residents ,but cheaper by far than the states.
          2 months ago I broke my collar bone. The ambulance to the hospital was free. Consultation , Xrays, 2 nights in hospital [semi-private ward] operation to put in the pin, and painkillers came to just under $4000 NT [about $135 US].

        • Dat Ankle

          The US might be better but I rather risk the jail time for a fake Canadian ID for the free healthcare then drown in debt from the US hospital.

  • Medical Advisor

    hahahaha. Prostate is normal, no ovary, no uterus.

  • Jay K.

    I can’t say China’s hospitals are bad. if you go to the premiere hospitals like in beijing or the Bei Da Shenzhen Hospital the treatments and care of the docs are overall good, you’re going to pay for it and have to wait for quite sometime obviously.

    I’ve also been to hospitals that were so shitty in China.

    In terms of advanced technology the u.s. has still the edge but I’m embarassed to say most doctors in the U.S. are so overly confident that their ratings in hospital care have significantly dropped.

    I am not only speaking from eperience, but from accounts of what my grandmother (former nurse in ER and various other dept in a hospital in NY)

    Back in the days, in accordance to her working 20+ years in the medical industry as technology progressed the general care for patients have decreased.

    What I mean by this is that back then was after surgery or some major concern patients would often stay in the hospital much longer, doctors and nurses would be more concerned about patients and any “discomfort” or potential dangers they might encounter based on their illness/prognosis. Sure this obviously would mean a bill higher for staying in the hospital longer, but it would give patients more “ease of mind” about their health (and generally speaking doctors/nurses at that time were skilled, its not like their skill was lower back then). Take it now to modern times where after a surgery in a short period of time the hospital wants ti discharge the said patient to get in another patient ASAP to make money (more efficient?)

    My dad has had several surgeries in his lifetime, and the last one was a gastric bypass, and he actually had complications after the surgery with potential blood clots and internal bleeding. all the hospital did was after 3 days was send him home and said “if you develop any of these symptoms come back tot he hospital”

    my grandmother was quite actually appalled at this handling and said our insurance will more than gladly pay for this extra stay in the hospital if not the family will pay for it! But the doctors were quite confident with the situation. Even though it didnt ease the tension when doctors realized the blood clots may not go for awhile so they just drugged my dad with blood thinner pills.

    long story short, tech has made hospitals more efficient but the lack of care in american hospitals also means patients are less at ease.

  • eattot

    let me see if my new avatar works!

    • eattot

      not yet?

    • Ryo

      Just 5 words: IWNHI

  • eattot

    fauna:
    you should translate that news: american guy ate chips with chinese begger in nanjing street …

    • eattot

      why not changed yet?
      55555!

      • staylost

        I feast on your tears! Bwahahaha!!

  • Red Scarf

    All these posts and no fucking sofa! What’s this website coming too!

  • Castro

    People make mistakes. That physician and the staff are probably very over-worked. Even if not, people make mistakes. I think they should correct the mistake, and move on.
    Public apology ? Sounds like that ‘face’ bullshit to me.
    5000¥ compensation ? So now we encourage others to hope for error to occur ?

  • staylost

    Chinese doctors are, in general extremely over-reliant on test results, rather than actually getting a medical history and doing a physical exam. That’s not to say there aren’t great doctors here, but up and down the system the education in terms of independent judgment is lacking. Luckily, reform towards more generalist doctors and fewer robot doctors is already happening.

    • Dr. jeffli OB. GYN.

      Staylost, I doubt it! There is too much bribery and corruption going on. If you threaten their black money system then they will let people die with the excuse “nothing could be done”

      They are very sly. Don’t be so naive staylost! They hold your life in their hands and unknowingly to the patient extort black money. I would like to hear local Chinese mainlanders defend this one, or justify it!

      • staylost

        There is no need to make this an us or them issue. There is plenty of black money business all over. This isn’t a problem with the doctors, it is a problem with the law and its enforcement. Most “Chinese mainlanders” are as gracious and polite as any other place in the world, and what’s more, they are no more duplicitous.

        This becomes all the more clear when held up against places like Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore, where large Chinese communities manage to be orderly, polite and honest.

        The only thing to criticize is the failure of mainland China’s laws to effectively protect its people. It is almost perfectly equivalent to this:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

        China, the people, are alright. The government simply needs to continue its legal and social reforms and, sometime in the distant future, hopefully they can do an even better job than the United States at being a benign stabilizing force on a global scale.

  • Appalled@everything

    Yes, but what about the results of her testicular exam?

  • jeffli

    here is how one famous private foreign hospital works in Shanghai

    the G.P. could be foreign this gives you the idea that you have a specialist service.

    he will refer you to a specialist ENT, OB GYN etc. this will be some local fish cracker from the nearest public hospital who is not yet plastered on WuYeLiang or ErGuoTou and has just chewed on a mouthfull of stinky tofu!

  • Dr. jeffli OB. GYN.

    Whats a Prostate? ….is that like a kind of cervix for guys?

    Eattot …..which one do you have? lol

    Dr. jeffli OB. GYN……. mostly GYN -lurve playing with ****s……. wheres Cloaca today? lol

  • Stu

    The medicine ‘system’ is definitely one of the scariest things about living in China. The hospitals- even the ‘public’ ones, as far as I can tell- make money from every prescription and particularly from surgery. So, of course, the doctors will generally be very happy to prescribe you as many pills as possible, and only too keen to cut you open. And God help you if you’re an unsuspecting poor farmer with no educated relatives to call them on their bullshit- you can say goodbye to whatever savings you might have had…

    • staylost

      Every hospital makes money from their prescriptions and surgeries in every place in the world. Your comment would be applicable if you substituted “China” with “England” since even government subsidy is doled out based partly on usage.

      That said, over-prescription is an especially large problem in China. Not to mention from the doctor’s perspective they think they’d better prescribe something or the patient’s relatives might come back and stab them.

      • Dr. jeffli OB. GYN.

        forget the prescription value….
        How many women are having their womb and ovaries ripped out of them for no apparent medical reason? Just for black money making?

        If a Japanese doctor did that in China the Chinese would be screaming again!
        But a Chinese doctor is ok to act this way. Maybe the first doctor was a “liumang” and just wanted to play with the female patient.

        Ladies when you go for a check up (pap smear) take your BF or hubby with you.

        I don’t trust doctors in third world countries.

      • Justin Thyme

        Yes, but at least in countries like England or the US you feel a little mre confident that the people looking at those test results are not mentally retarded, as they all seem to be here. My wife went in for tests following a period of abdominal pains. Tt was all a nightmare.

        1) One female doctor told her the problem is probably too much sex with her laowai husband.

        2) She needed to be put under for some exams and the hospital had her sign a waiver that if she died or stayed a vegetable the hospital was not liable! Well who the hell would be responsible then! They could just murder people if they wanted I guess. Morons.

        3) She was finally told to just have her appendix removed to rule that out as a possibility. Not that that was the issue, but why not just make sure I guess.

        All countries run tests, but here tests serve no other purpose than to line the fat pockets of the doctors and staff. Usually after a series of expensive tests the doctors still have no clue what the hell is going on and neither do they give a shit. Barbarians.

  • andywattbulb

    Women do have a protate but it is called Skene’s gland. It produces mucus which makes sex more smoothly and can even cause a female ejaculation. The mucus secreted is the same as sperm sans the sperm cells.

  • dim mak

    Mistakes happen. Someone that age should know what a prostate is and whether or not you have one

  • camlost

    Sister, I’ve got good news and bad news. The good news is I think your prostate is normal. The bad news is I think your prostate is normal.

  • Shanghairen

    Chinese doctors don’t ask any questions — they just order a test. Chinese doctors, like Chinese people in general, don’t like to talk to people they don’t know.

  • Foreign Devil

    ” leading her to rush to the emergency room but was unable to find that doctor”

    That’s been my experience in Chinese hospitals. I never have reason to go to the hospital in Canada but in CHina went several times for myself or friends I was with. You have to run around the hospital to find a doctor and then refuse to budge from that doctor or nurse’s office until they agree to treat you. . because at first they will just brush you off or walk away. All this of course happens while you are in extreme pain. That said some areas are more efficient than Canada. . medicine is much cheaper and faster to get. They do have some areas working faster and better than Canadian hospitals. I read that our local hospital here has 19 hours wait average in the emergency room. boggles the mind!

    • Little Wolf

      FD: My sister is an LVN at a Spokane hospital and supplied me with this zinger after another medical misfortune I was forced to deal with. In fact, a kidney stone that also hurt like hell, but had to wait 3 hours to get admitted while faxes were flying behind the scenes to get my health insurance(Fucking Kaiser-Permante) approved.

      “Little Wolf, the next time you go to the emergency room, walk straight to the reception nurse and throw up on her. I promise you’ll get immediate medical attention.”

  • 平凡人

    This just shows how hospitals in China are managed. It also shows the quality of the doctors. I am not saying all, but there are significant numbers of unqualified doctors around. They rely so much on reports generated by devices such that they have lost their common and analytical sense.

  • Justin Thyme

    These people should even be allowed to treat animals. Who did they all collectively blow or bride tho get these jobs. And I am not talking about the staff at this particular hospital, I am talking about ALL of them. Chinese doctors are nothing but a bunch of money grubbing quacks.

    I have been in bars in the US with cleaner restrooms than most of the hospitals here. One had a dead rat at the entrance door mixed in with all the other trash and garbage. So tired of this ballyhooing about China being the number economy in the world, soon to dislodge the true evil empire, the USA, and yet I have seen hospitals with computers using B-drives (anybody even remember B-drives! Where the term floppy disk came from!) and figuring out my bill on abacuses.

    Why does this doctor even still have a job? Because if they fired every incompetent doctor and nurse in China there would be no one left in the hospitals.

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