UK HSBC ATM Machine Malfunction, Chinese Netizen Reactions

A malfunctioning HSBC ATM machine in Milford-on-Sea in the UK was dispensing double the cash withdrawn.

From NetEase:

ATM in England mistakenly dispenses double the amount of cash withdrawn, bank says mistake is theirs and money needn’t be returned

According to a May 19th online report by the British Daily Mail, recently, an ATM machine in England had a malfunction where it dispensed double the amount of cash when customers used it to withdraw money. After this news spread like wildfire, many people rushed there to withdraw money. The bank says they do not need to return the extra money.

This incident occurred in the affluent village of Milford-on-Sea, near Lymington, Hampshire, where an HSBC ATM machine experienced a malfunction causing it to spit out double the amount of cash. People who heard the news rushed to the ATM and formed a long line, with some people even withdrawing thousands of British pounds. Throughout the period of malfunction, a total of 200 customers customers withdrew money. The malfunction continued for over two hours before the police arrived on the scene and shut down this ATM machine.

At the same time, police said that if customers knew that the ATM machine was malfunctioning when withdrawing money and continued to withdraw money, then the bank may pursue legal liability against the customers for fraud.

HSBC said they will not seek the return of the extra money, because the mistake was the bank’s, and customers are not responsible for this.

A customer unwilling to provide their name told the journalist: “Some people were using 5-6 ATM cards to withdraw money”.

Xu Ting, a young Chinese man who was initially sentenced to life imprisonment for exploiting an ATM malfunction in Guangzhou, China to withdraw 175k RMB.

Xu Ting, a young Chinese man who was initially sentenced to life imprisonment for exploiting an ATM malfunction in Guangzhou, China to withdraw 175k RMB.

Comments from NetEase:

AFDAFAFDA [网易广东省广州市网友]:

Xu Ting withdrew over 100k RMB and is still in prison.

[Note: Xu Ting was a migrant worker who withdrew 175k RMB from a malfunctioning ATM machine in Guangzhou in 2006. He was sentenced to life imprisonment but after a public outcry, the sentence was reduced to 5 years. Another person who had exploited the malfunction withdrew 18,000 but turned himself in and was sentenced to 1 year in prison.]

lhc19620207 [网易北京市网友]:

I wonder what Xu Ting will think when he hears of this news.

samjmhu [网易广东省广州市番禺区网友]:

He’ll think, what a mistake, absolutely must not reincarnate in China in my next life.

内阁总理大臣李鸿章 [网易山东省济南市网友]:

Degenerate British, I humbly advise you guys to avoid going further down the wrong path.
It is necessary to immediately correct your mistake, arrest those lowly people and sentence them to life imprisonment without possibility for parole!

cccgml [网易湖南省永州市网友]:

Isn’t this obviously to embarrass China’s banks? Imperialism with ulterior motives.

国米铁粉 [网易广东省茂名市网友]:

Capitalism proving itself to be the abyss of suffering, having the impertinence to not sentence life imprisonment!!!

hgsjyjyz [网易南非网友]:

What are China’s banks supposed to do now?? Definitely going to say you’re just putting on a show!!!

永遠的孤獨 [网易香港网友]:

When it happens in England, you don’t have to return it. When it happens here, you get sentenced to life…

無名高地 [网易四川省泸州市网友]:

What a slap in the face!

网易广西南宁市网友:

They only dare to post this kind of news late at night.

网易陕西省西安市网友:

The sorrow of 1.3 billion Chinese depositors!!!
ATM dispenses counterfeit money — Bank is not responsible.
Internet banking theft — Depositor responsibility.
ATM has malfunction and dispenses less money — Depositor theft, sentenced to life.
Bank gives too much money — Depositor is obligated to return it.
Bank gives too little money — Bank not responsible if you left the counter.
Guangdong Kaiping bank president embezzles 400 million — sentenced to 12 years.
Guangdong ordinary commoner withdraws an extra 170k — sentenced to life.

[The above comment was copied and pasted repeatedly by various commenters.]

网易广东省中山市网友: (responding to above)

China’s so-called law is simply used to oppress the rabble

LUCYi [网易英国网友]: (Chinese netizen in the UK)

One time, I went to the supermarket. When I was getting some yogurt, I accidentally broke one. Of course, I took this one, but when checking out, the cashier kept asking me if I wanted to exchange it… I kept saying it was I who broke it… but he kept saying its okay, do you want to exchange it, I’ll go get it, it’ll be quick. Even in the end I was still saying it wasn’t necessary, that I broke it myself.

williamszx [网易英国手机网友]: (Chinese netizen in the UK, responding to above)

Also in the UK, I do feel that the wealthy small town like above are indeed very good. Of course, excepting cities with a lot of immigrants like Birmingham and the like.

网易荷兰网友: (Chinese netizen in the Netherlands, responding to above)

It’s like that where I am too, the places with a lot of blacks and aboriginals being relatively worse.

freninerben [网易德国网友]: (Chinese netizen in Germany, responding to above)

Same here, when going to the supermarket, the [workers] will all be very sincere in telling you the real situation and sincerely give you suggestions!

chendihewo [网易美国网友] 的原贴: (Chinese netizen in America, responding to above)

Same here.

美利坚赞歌 [网易美国手机网友]: (Chinese netizen in America, responding to above)

Same here. There was a kind of condiment that I took four of but only found 3 when I got home. So I drove back to the supermarket to complain and the cashier kept apologizing and asking me if I wanted to get another or get a refund with me eventually getting a refund. But when I went back, I actually found a bottle under the seat of the car. What can I do? This time it was me who had to go apologize.

网易法国手机网友: (Chinese netizen in France, responding to above)

France is okay too, apart from cities with a lot of Arabs.

网易日本网友: (Chinese netizen in Japan, responding to above)

I’m in little Japan. Once I took my child to the supermarket. After checking out, I was putting my groceries in the bag and my child dropped a box of eggs on the ground, breaking a few of them. The service staff rushed over to wipe the floor and even exchanged a new box, without asking for money. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

tianhao344600531 [网易日本手机网友]: (Chinese netizen in Japan, responding to above)

True story, this kind of thing happens a lot.

老林童鞋 [网易浙江省温州市手机网友]: (Chinese netizen in Zhejiang province, responding to above)

You guys are damaging the harmony of socialism!!!

rubbishfighting [网易广东省佛山市网友]: (responding to above)

You fuckers, you guys having it good is one thing, but coming here to make us envious, fuck.

网易山东省威海市网友 [aspxsky001]: (responding to above)

Fuck, you guys having emigrated and now living the good life are now cocky. We’re still in an abyss of suffering.

网易广东省深圳市网友: (responding to above)

Reading the above, one conclusion can be made: Chinese people are indeed the garbage of the earth, the most despicable race of people. When others ridicule us as the sick man of Asia, that’s even raising us up. We’re actually the cockroaches of Asia.

网易广东省广州市网友: (responding to above)

Long live imperialism!

紫衣怀素 [网易辽宁省沈阳市网友]: (responding to above)

Evil imperialism, once again trying to ruin our harmony.

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  • goodjob

    envious envy hate %>_<%

  • Chinggis was here

    Sitting on a malfunctioning sofa.

    • Chinggis was here

      Damn that verify your Chinasmack comment email. I’m very envious envy hate.

  • eddie9684

    what upp! funny atm shit

  • A gawd dang Mongolian

    Why can’t ATMs break down more often?

  • D. Tective

    My ATM dispenses sofas.

    • h3ll

      lol

  • They have records, video material and still they won’t ask the money back… What kind of bank is this? If I was an HSBC customer I would tell them I feel unfairly treated because my local ATM doesn’t do this…

    Even if it’s not about big amounts of money, it’s still miserable that people go there especially to get “easy money” and then are not even punished in anyway… At least giving the money back they received but didn’t deserve…

  • jeffli

    ATMs …………. meh!

    • Little Wolf

      Banks…..also meh!

  • nameless

    my atm dispenses chicken feet!

  • nameless

    bu pa zhonguo ren you qian! :) haha ive been waiting for the opportunity for a long time!

  • Jess

    Its also free advertising for HSBC! What they lose is nothing, compared to the millions they spend on tv ad campaigns.

  • Anon

    No comments about “这就是英国绅士的素质!” when they might actually be warranted? Everyone likes money, but 200 people doing this is pretty discouraging. I mean, apart from the massive ethical problem this is just a stupid thing to do, did they think they couldn’t be caught? Was it really safe to assume that the bank wouldn’t press charges? Maybe somebody who accidentally gets some extra cash from an ATM and fails to return it because the ATM isn’t attached to a brick and mortar bank can be forgiven, but doing this deliberately is low.

    • Jahar

      Yeah with all the cameras and transaction records, I would have just assumed I’d get in trouble. Lucky them.

      I think it’s funny all the overseas Chinese commenting on how helpful shop clerks are. I worked in restaurants and bars for years. If someone dropped/spilled their drink or food in front of me, I never had a problem replacing it. It’s sad to think that some places would.

  • 404namenotfound

    Same here in the US, except the places with a lot of Chinese!

    • Ruaraidh

      5 star post.

  • Alex L

    Well, kudos to those who are honest enough to return money and shame on those who took advantage. On the other hand, if a bank doesn’t feel the sting for it’s malfunctioning equipment, it won’t have incentive to be more vigilant in the future. It’s not a good excuse, but it’s Human nature to take advantage of certain situations. On a smaller example, do owners of vending machines go after people who get extra product or extra change from broken machines? Don’t think so. It’s the owners job to maintain those things regularly or fix problems right away.

    • Anon

      I guess they might’ve figured that the loss wasn’t as damaging as the bad PR would potentially be for pressing charges against a few hundred people who, in the end, were guilty only of giving in to the greedy impulses that we all have rather than plotting complicated frauds against the bank.

    • Ryo

      The thing with vending machines is that they also take advantage of customers as well when shit don’t come out or get’s stuck. And from personal experience, they’ve taken more then they’ve given.

  • Ryo

    Honestly, I don’t see how this is different then stealing shit that fell off a truck. And in this case, those people are stupid enough to do so thinking they won’t know who it is.

    The bank have every right to claim their money back, taking it strait from the customers account if they have to. The only reason I could think of is the ATM machine also failed to record the transaction or something similar where the machine only recorded the amount that was entered instead of the actual amount that was given. If it is the later case, then the bank would have the burden of proof that the customer actually received more then what they asked for. Even if they have the customer on camera, it would need to show that the customer actually received the incorrect amount. It would be an expensive and lengthy process prosecuting every single customer that was in that 2 hour period. Since the bank is probably insured for this kind of stuff, they simply wave it off.

    What I would like to know is how many people actually felt remorse and return the extra cash.

    • Ruaraidh

      This is exactly the sort of scenario game theorists Love to set up and observe. I’d estimate that of the 200 maybe one or two offered to return the money, After the bank announced it wasn’t going to chase the money up, I expect no one felt any remorse at all.

      • kaka

        that’s all well and good for non-cooperative scenarios in the UK, but everybody knows that non-cooperative Game Theory doesn’t work in China, hence the China Equilibrium.

        in the UK the scenario is essentially non-cooperative – with the banks relying on the ATM users to decide it is in their personal interest to not steal the money. the banks know that if the amount stolen is minimal or if several people take advantage of the malfunction – it would either be a waste of time and money to prosecute, or would create to much bad publicity, given that the error was ultimately the banks fault, and the greater need for public relations given the more competitive nature of the banking industry.

        in China the same scenario is cooperative, with the banks (who are controlled by the government) reaching an “agreement” with their customers (who are controlled by the government) that there is a common interest not to commit ATM fraud, even though the malfunction is primarily the bank’s fault – namely that the banks can do whatever they like (because they are controlled by the government) and the people have to do whatever they are told (because they are controlled by the government), or they will be punished severely by the judicial system (which is controlled by the government).

        whilst this “control” often makes cooperative scenarios more ordered where this control can be enforced – it creates uncertainty in standard non-cooperative Game Theory models where a personal-interest (for example not wanting to spend life in prison) is harder to determine, and the model relies on the participants finding a personal interest in common with the people around them. however the concept of personal interest is different in China, and hence any non-cooperative scenario has to factor in the China Equilibrium – as can clearly be seen in the well-known “walking down the street scenario”.

        • Ruaraidh

          Haha. Thank you sir, I am both elucidated and amused.

  • Ryo

    In reply to there following comment…

    “I’m in little Japan. Once I took my child to the supermarket. After checking out, I was putting my groceries in the bag and my child dropped a box of eggs on the ground, breaking a few of them. The service staff rushed over to wipe the floor and even exchanged a new box, without asking for money. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.”

    Well you should of offered to pay for it! It was your fucking child that drop the eggs. Why should the market pay for YOUR fucking little brat’s mistake? I know s/he didn’t mention if s/he did or didn’t pay for it but I’m quite sure if s/he did, s/he would of mentioned it.

    You can take the Chinese out of China, but you can’t take the China out of the Chinese…

    • Joe

      “You can take the Chinese out of China, but you can’t take the China out of the Chinese…”

      Genius

    • Notorious

      This statement is unfair. Children are going to drop things in store, and they count it in their overhead and it’s taken care of with your insurance. Grocery stores and businesses know the best way to retain customer business is to give them good service. They will make far more money from this customer’s happiness in the future. They all did the right thing, so I don’t understand why you made the racist comment about chinese people because of a child’s mistake.

      • Jeff

        Where is little Japan?

        • mr. wiener

          Right next to big China.
          BTW You can take the China out of Chinese. It just takes a generation that’s all. Even 1st gen migrants find that Chineseness only has a half life of around 10 years.

      • lxpatterson

        I’m not sure that it’s even a comparable situation. Breaking a bottle of salad dressing at the store is an honest mistake. Intentionally exploiting a broken ATM is not an accident.

      • kaka

        it is not a racist comment – it is an observation based on cultural and ethnic stereotypes made by someone of a different ethnicity or culture.

        If someone calls me a white c*nt, and I am being a c*nt – then that is a valid statement – I am white and I am being a c*nt.

        If someone calls me a white c*nt solely because I am white, and I am not being a c*nt – then that’s a tad racist.

        It does no good to simply denounce every negative observation about a culture or ethnicity as being racist. It simply devalues the term.

        • Little Wolf

          kaka… could not agree more. People throw around the word “racist” so easily it has completely lost it’s meaning and edge. Well, that and the word “troll”.

        • Ami

          To the first cunt example: adding “white” is unnecessary because a cunt is a cunt regardless. Many people would get offended at that because its implying that your race white/black/chinese NEEDS to be pointed out.

          • kaka

            It’s a personal example – I wouldn’t be offended, some people might, but then some people get offended by everything.

            I choose simply not to see every reference to my colour as a “racist” attack, because where do you draw the line…

            By simply referring to someone’s colour as a point of distinction, are you being racist? If someone asks my missus where I am, and she says he’s the cute looking white guy sitting in the corner, then is she being racist? Of course not. She may be exaggerating, but is certainly not being racist.

            Racism is not nice, obviously – but by claiming every reference to colour is a racist remark is simply devaluing the term.

            … and where does it lead? At university – i remember the students union introducing some edict about not being able to call a black coffee a black coffee, and instead we had to ask for a coffee without milk – and if you didn’t they wouldn’t serve you.

            … so the reason I choose not to get offended by every reference to my colour as a racist remark, is because whilst I don’t like racist people, I also don’t want to live in some left-wing socialist big-brother politically correct utopian nightmare.

    • linette

      Ryo

      You can take the Chinese out of China, but you can’t take the China out of the Chinese…

      Ryo, Why are you making racist remake? What are you? KKK? What about the UK people stealing money from the ATM? What do you call them?

      • Brett Hunan

        They are called thieves linette… very Very VERY lucky thieves.

        Although you go through terrible trouble to not make blatantly racist comments, you more often than not post brash and unsubstantiated generalizations about every person who is not Chinese. If you disagree that you do this, would you like me to link your posts here at chinaSMACK and over at koreaBANG for everyone to see? There are plenty to chose from.

        Stop playing the ignorant/idiot game. You are clearly a very proud Chinese citizen and there is no problem with that. However, others here do have a problem with you unbudging from your position that everyone else is demonizing China and Chinese people when something negative is posted. In some cases, it is true. But not as much as you like to believe.

        Finally, the last part that Ryo wrote: The fact that people from China act like people from China, in its presented context, is more or less a rude or offensive statement, not a racist one.

        • Ryo

          Exactly. China Smack talks ‘smack’ about China and the Chinese. Does that make this site a racist site? I’m merely pointing out this stereo type that the Chinese have no troubles making true. Stereo types are there for a reason.

          • Brett Hunan

            Ryo, chinaSMACK does not “talk smack” about China and I, for sure, did not say it does. It is also not a racist site and never has been. What you said wasnt necessarily racist but it was offensive. Do you even know what a stereotype is?

            Are you on this site only to provoke nationalistic posters like linette? Do you even care about what is going on, with regards to what the Chinese netizens are talking about?

            Ryo, I wasnt defending you to linette so dont puff out your chest like you have a supporter now. You sound just as ridiculous when you generalize Chinese people.

    • choloboy

      You can take a goddamn jap out of japan, but you can’t take the minset of atrocity morbid mind out of the japanese people…hey ryo, why don’t you go and fuck yourself!

      • kaka

        I see that you too have attended the training course 孔子 – 理性的辩论: 胜利在四个简单步骤.

        step 1: Ignore and Invert question or statement,
        step 2: Refer to past negative historical incident,
        step 3: Make derogatory statement about what your opponent should do or what they should do to their mother.
        step 4: Bask in self-satisfaction of one’s own greatness.

        I too found it frustrating at how logic and reason seemed to provide no advantage during any discussion – until I attended the 孔子 – 理性的辩论:胜利在四个简单步骤 training course.

        Now, by following the simple 4 steps, my frustration has been replaced with the knowledge that whatever someone else may say, or how much sense that it may make, it is ultimately incorrect, because it does not conform with what I want to hear – thus achieving 和谐.

        • Little Wolf

          kaka, you’re on fire today!

        • Brett Hunan

          kaka, have you met terroir? I have a feeling you two would get along just swell.

        • h3ll

          haha! best comment today^^

  • yesyes
    • Alan

      Can’t believe the racist comments by chinese netizens in response to this (well I can actually!)

      Since when does the Netherlands have ‘aboriginals’?

      Don’t ABORIGINES live in Australia?

      The irony of overseas chinese living in Europe being racist must be lost on them?!

      • Chunghwa

        In case you weren’t aware, “Aboriginals” aren’t restricted to Australia. Canada, Japan and Taiwan have Aboriginals too. The difference is that they’re not black.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigines
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_peoples_in_Canada

        • Ami

          The aboriginals in Australia aren’t black either. Many may be darkskin but ethnically they aren’t black for the same reasons you don’t call dark skin Tamils black.

          • Ruaraidh

            They are blackfellas, but they aren’t African. Since when have Africans held a monopoly on the descriptive ‘black?’

            Also the word aboriginals just means an indigenous people, there’s no connection between Australian Aborigines and Canadian Aboriginals. I myself could be called a Scottish aboriginal since (arguably) my ancestors were indigenous to the highlands. The Netherlands comment is most likely a misuse of the word aboriginal.

    • Stu

      There’s a few blogs about this already… it’s hilarious if you’ve ever seen the dude being urbane on the Dialogue show. I guess he really doesn’t like Wudaokou…

      • hanyucha

        If he doesn’t like “The Wu”, then stop admitting foreign students to Tsinghua, Beijing University, and BLCU, their student fees prop up those universities so that Chinese students can attend at subsidised rates.

    • hanyucha

      I am surprised that there has been no mention of the one hundred day crack down on foreigners in China yet. I think that is disgusting, when I read about that I felt like I had been slapped in the face.

      I come to this “developing country”, don’t get paid a lot really, get taxed, and now have to pay pension contributions for a pension I don’t expect I will ever receive. I work twice as hard here as I would in the UK, and then they turn around and release this one hundred day rubbish.

      The problem with being a white face in China, is that no-one knows how long you have been here. Whether you are fresh off the boat, or you have been here eight years (that’s me) and speak decent Chinese, every Chinese will treat you all the same: I don’t even answer the question, “Where are you from?” anymore. I have already been asked thousands of times.

      Everyone says that China will exceed the USA, it may do in terms of GDP, but in terms of everything else, today is the peak of Chinese civilisation, expect a long fall from grace when the pace of development starts to run out.

      Sigh!!!… Saying all that I still do love China…

      • bert

        Just say you are from Poland. After that they will have nothing to say.

      • Anus Presley

        My hunch is that this whole anti-foreigner campaign is a result of the leadership having ‘lost face’ over the Chen Guangcheng affair and/or the Bo Xilia affair.

        As for the incidents that have sprung up recently – the Brit in Beijing, and the Russian cellist on a train – I’m curious as to whether these incidents arose before, or after, the leadership decided to demonize and target foreigners.
        And as for what actually happened with the British guy; we still don’t know after nearly two weeks. Why is that? Was he actually guilty of trying to sexually assault that woman, or wasn’t he? If he was, then why hasn’t it been announced yet? My take on it is that the woman was embarrassed to be seen in public – and filmed – drunk with a foreigner who she’d met in a bar and so cried foul. What followed was the Chinese interpreting it to try and make themselves look good, and to draw attention away from all the reported instances of apathetic Chinese standing around and doing nothing in the face of a crime, or a violent incident – the Brazilian guy, e.t.c. All of this noise was then turned up by those in power because it serves their interests right now to whip up anti-foreigner feeling, and nationalism, at a time of in-party turmoil and corruption scandals.

        As for the Russian on the train – a cellist in the Beijing Symphony Orchestra – he was a total dick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30_D1jQAN4k&feature=player_embedded And if I’d been sitting in front of him on that train and he’d tried that shit with me I’d have rammed his fucking cello up his arse.

      • Anus Presley

        Also, was the timing of the ‘sexual assault’ incident just a coincidence?:

        ‘The episode came days before a push by authorities in the Chinese capital against foreigners who enter the country illegally, overstay their visas or work without the proper papers.’ http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/sentiment-against-foreigners-flares-in-china/

        Coincidence my ass.

      • GhostofYost

        I’m also very surprised by the lack of attention given to the 100 day crackdown, and also to the lack of attention given to Dialogue’s Yang Rui’s comments on the subject. If you haven’t read them I suggest you do a quick google search. This is getting a lot of play in Western Media in publications such as; The New York Times, and The Economist. I’m sure this story will continue to get quite interesting as Yang Rui continues to defend himself and threaten lawsuits against critics. Anti-foreigner sentiment seems to be growing at an alarming rate since the episode in Beijing a couple weeks ago. I posted in another forum my own personal experience over the weekend with a group of angry, xenophobic youths. I hope you don’t mind me reposting it here in hopes that it brings attention to what could be a growing trend in China.

        I have no problem with China wanting to deport illegal foreigners, but asking common citizens to assist in reporting “foreign trash” and even identifying specific locations to locate said trash is incredibly irresponsible and dangerous.
        Over the weekend I had the unfortunate experience to encounter the repercussions of the growing tide of anti-foreigner sentiment in China. My friend, his father, his father’s partner(their first visit to China), and another friend(51 year old businessman), and I went to a popular night club to give our out of town guests the experience of a Chinese night club. This club is known as a high class establishment and for it’s friendliness towards foreign customers. However, we had hardly made it through the door when we were attacked by security who were wielding bamboo sticks. I have no idea how many people attacked us, but I do know I received 6 stitches to the top of my head, and was struck in the body a total of 27 times, with some of the strikes being hard enough to split skin. My friend, who is 51 years old received over a dozen stitches to three cuts on his face and head.
        It is extremely concerning to me that this attack was completely unprovoked, as we had been there for at the most 3 minutes, and for the fact that our attackers were yelling racial epithets and telling us to get out of China.
        As I said before, I am all for deporting illegal foreigners, but I think the “sweeping out of foreign trash” should best be left to the devices of people a little more qualified than night club security.
        My two friends and I who live here all have proper residence visas and are fully aware of our responsibility as ambassadors for our countries during our stay in China. My friend’s father and his partner are patent lawyers who were in China for a conference and also had the proper visas for their stay. I wonder if we qualify as the foreign trash Yang Rui was speaking of?

        Again, I know it’s off topic, but I know a lot of foreigners read this site who might not follow the news as much, and I think this subject needs to be brought to more peoples attention. Hopefully chinasmack will cover the Yang Rui story and bring to light what Chinese netizens opinion’s are on the subjects of 100 day crackdowns, Yang Rui’s comments, and anything else relevant to the topic of growing anti-foreigner sentiment.

        • Anus Presley

          I wondered when we’d hear the first story about foreigners being attacked in the wake of all this xenophobic bullshit.

          Shame nobody filmed you and your friends getting attacked. It would be interesting to see the reactions of the Chinese netizens on that.

          • GhostofYost

            Actually, I’m pretty sure there is security footage. A friend of mine works for the owner of the bar and the next day I received an offer for him to pay my medical bills (250RMB) and a night of free drinking at his new bar. I of course declined his invitation. If driving a hurt old woman to the hospital is considered an admission of guilt to a judge in Nanjing, then following that rather crooked line of reasoning, offering to pay hospital bills and comp-ing free drinks at your new bar to people who were attacked at your other bar, has to also be considered an admission of guilt as well, right? From what I gather, he blew off the situation at first, only to offer compensation later. I assume he saw security footage and felt he’d better try and make nice, so we won’t kick up too much fuss.

        • Anus Presley

          By the way, where were you attacked? What city?

          • GhostofYost

            Foshan, Guangdong. Funny thing is my Chinese colleagues are blaming it on the northerners. When I tell them my attackers were speaking Cantonese, they reply by saying the northerners were speaking Cantonese to frame the local people.

      • Wallimo

        I often have a “bad china day” where I’ve been spoken about as if I wasn’t there, pushed, had people cut in line in front of me, walk and stop oblivious to others around them blocking footpaths or roads, spitting farting burping being obnoxious insulting me etc etc. and usually that I would make me become angry maybe verbally aggressive (never physically) or whatever because the weight of the shit that has been flung at me has become to much for me to bare.

        But now I’ve realized that it’s better to let that shit role off your back instead of losing it and proving the pre conceived notions that they had.

        It’s annoying when people ask the same questions over and over again, but isn’t it better to be polite and respond in a friendly manner? Because when these people ask their questions it’s more likely out of curiosity.

      • 8000acres

        Welcome to the world of Chinese people in the US. Do you think Americans can instantly distinguish between FOBs and ABCs?

  • JPAX

    The difference is that the banks in China are owned by the government. So they are pissed off when someone is getting extra money that they should be pocketing under the table and make an example of ppl profiting from their mistakes to scare other from doing it in future. UK banks are private so the government is not concerned with any mistakes they make.

    • cc

      I think you can pretty much guarantee that HSBC will go after the perps who tried it on. I remember many years ago in the UK when the Bank of Scotland paid all our staff twice their monthley salary they were on everyone like a dose of salts, and we all had to pay it back. Mind you it was quite nice to have the free interest loan for six months.

    • rightran

      The difference is people here in China doing that in purpose, using the system malfunction to get easy money, pretty much another form of bank robbering. Not defending Chinese here, juz state the fact.

  • Dat Ankle

    I love it when you show butt loads of comments responding to each other

  • Johnny Basic

    The comments praising the virtues of foreign service staff are very telling indeed. You know a society is deeply rotten when the idea of being quite nice to strangers is (literally!) a foreign concept. There’s a lesson in that; if you treat people with respect – as opposed to hooting and howling like a fucking baboon when you want something, which is how Chinamen treat service staff – chances are they’ll reciprocate.

    Fat fucking chance of that happening any time soon though. As one (uncharacteristically) honest Chinese colleague of mine once said to me, swindling, scheming and deceiving others ‘in the blood’ here. Chinamen have such lack of trust in each other, and for good reason, that the notion of common courtesy (as opposed to flattery) and selflessness becoming nothing out of the ordinary is just out of the question.

    Act honestly and get shafted, it’s as simple as that. From the politicians and crony capitalists who’ve wheedled, swindled and denounced their way to the top right down to the slimy fuckers making a killing out of foreigners in the fake markets and peddling sewer oil, Chinese society is steeped in deception and dishonesty at every level.

    It’s tempting to blame this all on the government, and attribute this state of affairs to the fact that it’s created a social order based on corruption, but it’s not so simple. The fact is, Chinamen LOVE plotting and calculating against each other, and holding grudges and plotting revenge is right up there with shopping, sleeping, nose-picking and guzzling food with your mouth open among favourite pastimes.

    In a society as putrid as this, why the hell WOULD YOU be nice to strangers?

    • Anus Presley

      “…if you treat people with respect – as opposed to hooting and howling like a fucking baboon when you want something, which is how Chinamen treat service staff – chances are they’ll reciprocate.”

      Funny, and spot on.

    • Greg (the smart one)

      Post Of The Year.

      You sum it up so well.

    • moop

      please hammer, don’t hurt ’em

  • typingfromwork

    This sort of thing happened before in Britain. The banks are all insured anyway. But why doesn’t it happen on my high street!!!

  • Made In World

    Son of a shrew!

  • JAYJAY

    Not only did I miss the sofa…. Why no one has told me about this in Milford… It’s only down the road from me!!!

  • James

    ATM, it’s all your fault, we should put you in prison forever!

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