Ancient Egypt Temple Vandalized by Chinese Tourist Graffiti

Chinese characters "Ding Jinhao was here" written on a wall in Egypt's Luxor Temple.

From QQ:

Chinese Characters “XXX Was Here” Scratched onto 3000 Year Old Egyptian Historical Relic

The “Ding Jinhao Was Here” on the Egyptian Temple, Shameful! After netizen @空游无依 saw words like this on a relief carving at Egypt’s Luxor Temple, he said this was his saddest moment in Egypt. Ashamed and unable to show his own face. “We tried to use tissues to wipe off this shame, but it was very difficult to wipe off, nor could water be used, as this is a 3500-year-old historical relic.” Don’t forget, when you go abroad, you represent China!

“XXX was here” appears on thousand-year-old Egyptian temple, Chinese tourist claims he was “so ashamed and unable to show my face”

Evening Paper report. “The saddest moment in Egypt, so ashamed I couldn’t bear to show my face.” This microblog post from netizen “空游无依” quickly stirred up heated discussion. He saw someone carve “Ding Jinhao was here” in Chinese characters on the relief carving of the Luxor Temple in Egypt, and felt shocked and ashamed for how carelessly a fellow countryman vandalized a historical relic thousands of years old. Many netizens uniformly expressed indignation at this, crying out “Ding Jinhao, you’re about to become famous!” Experienced tour guide Mr. Zhang, who has led tours in Egypt multiple times, said damaging and smuggling relics across the border already violates local laws, and one could go to jail if it is caught considered serious.

According to the description by “空游无依”, he found the characters inscribed in the most inner hall of the Egypt’s Luxor Temple, on the left wall of the right hallway. “We tried to use tissues to wipe off this shame, but it was very difficult to wipe off, nor could water be used, as this is a 3500-year-old historical relic.” This morning, this reporter contacted “空游无依”, and he further explained that he traveled to Egypt on May 3rd and took this picture when he toured Luxor on May 6th. “When we saw this, nobody said a thing. At the time, the whole tour group felt especially ashamed. The tour guide too did not want to poke the wound, so he led us away. I saved this picture and posted it on my microblog because I wanted to remind everyone not to take damaging historical relics so lightly. I didn’t know it would spread so quickly.”

Netizen “VicHo”, who has traveled to Egypt before, sighed and said, “Was that freshly carved/scratched on? Last year when I went to the Luxor Temple, I didn’t see it, or perhaps it’s because it wasn’t on the main paths… The temple reliefs in Egypt are nearly all this exposed, and after seeing so many, one almost can’t help wanting to reach out and touch… Sometimes, I feel bad for these ancient relics, but at the same time what can you do…” Today, famous microblogger “蜡笔小球” made information about the identity of “Ding Jinhao” that he had searched for through his microblog, claiming that he [Ding] was a middle school student from Nanjing. Many netizens said bluntly that if this is true, they hope the kid and the parents will apologize for this.

“In the past, there were fewer Chinese tourists to Egypt, and their characters were relatively higher, and I’ve never seen a tourist behave this way. There are very rarely tourist police near the Luxor Temple, probably because they never thought something like this would happen,” experienced tour guide Mr. Zhang said. The “was here” behavior is a bad habit of some of our country’s tourists, and they probably didn’t consider that doing something like this is seriously damaging historical relics.

“There are a lot of uncivil behaviors like this out there. For example, there is a Chinese-language sign outside the Louvre Museum indicating that urinating and defecating wherever one pleases is prohibited, and I keep seeing Chinese people picking/damaging flowers at Dutch flower shows. I’m really embarrassed sometimes,” Zhang says. In the past, at most what happened were Chinese people getting fined for smuggling historical relics across the border, and travel agencies would remind tourists before departing to be careful of buying historical relics, but they didn’t think to remind customers to not carve words [leave graffiti]. “Actually foreign laws are very strict. If you’re caught, it’s very likely that you’ll be fined, and if it is serious, your may even go to jail. I’m not kidding you.”

Comments from QQ:

21g

In the future, write in Japanese.

腾讯北京市网友 Shannon (in response to above)

Doesn’t matter what language is used, you’re a shame to all humanity either way.

284512657

Don’t just blindly feel ashamed. What was carved was Chinese characters, but it may not necessarily have been carved by a Chinese person! There’s a box of Chunghwa cigarettes on the ground, but it may not necessarily have been littered there by a person of China!

腾讯网友 270418380 (in response to above)

You really know how to find excuses, don’t you!

腾讯网友 □Joуfμl (also in response to 284512657)

No wonder China is like this. precisely because there are too many unbelievable people like you, who always blame the problems on others/think it is other people’s problems.

腾讯网友天边的彩虹

People who don’t admit their wrongs are even more shameful.

成都市 畫、冭羙

My god, talk about having no character/decency. He must have finally got the chance to travel somewhere and thus wrote this, definitely a diaosi.

腾讯网友漂流瞬间 (in response to above)

There is no definite correlation between character and wealth. Diaosi do not necessarily all lack good behaviors and upbringing. Gao fu shuai too are not necessarily all people of elegant and noble behavior.

新欢

I’m speechless. Just because a fellow national carved a word on other people’s stones, you guys want to drive this fellow compatriot out of the country? Is face more important, or is our unity more important?

腾讯网友 阿吱大猫 (in response to above)

You are an 2B. Evaluation complete.

腾讯网友ぃ糯米潴

Our Chinese nationals love doing things like this. Look at the pavilions in parks, the larger bamboo stalks, trees, rocks. As long as it is somewhere that can be written on, what place isn’t a mess of graffiti, even the toilets? That’s why now it has to begin from ourselves, stop doing these kind of unethical, uncivilized, harmful things!

腾讯网友 活生

What an international embarrassment. As a Chinese, I feel extremely mortified at this moment.

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  • christoph matha

    well, really shameful

    • Mighty

      It’s beyond shameful as it was an act of defacing a reminder of humanity’s development and accomplishment.

      • meo fio

        He has left his mark on the history of humanity.

        • Mighty

          That’s some sad ironic truth in your statement.

  • AlexH

    Been waiting for this since I heard about the story earlier! Thanks as usual :)

  • christoph matha

    5000 yrs of history?…would be enough 100yrs..

    • YungBruce

      this mek no sense

  • NONG_CHING_CHONG

    WHO CARES STUPID 3000 YEAR OLD ARTIFACT??? IT IS NOTHING COMPARE TO GLORIOUS 5000 YEAR CHINESE HISTORY!

    • Ismelltroll

      You must have down syndrome

      • Alex

        You must not understand sarcasm.

        • Kai

          Judging by his screen name “I smell troll”, I think he understands sarcasm, and is commenting more about the original guy’s name “NON_CHING_CHONG”. I don’t think sarcasm excuses that.

          • Germandude

            That still doesn’t justify his shouting. LOL

          • Kai

            I’m guessing Ismelltroll believes down syndrome explains the original commenter’s choice of screen name, expressed sentiments, and caps lock?

    • Appalled@everything

      Right! exactly. Which is why I shall wipe feces on the great wall, piss on the forbidden city and spit on the leshan budha. Because after all, it is no big deal.

      • There are signs on the great wall that specify no defecating or urinating on it. Chinese tourists have already done your plans to their own artifacts.

        • http://www.weibowatcher.com/ WeiboWatcher.com

          I think that was the point he was trying to make

    • Bassem El-Shamaa

      5000 years of what !! and all what u did is a stupid wall around ur country and this is why u people can’t think outside the box :P

  • a

    shamefur dispray

    • Alex

      You can take the monkey out of the jungle, but not the jungle out of the monkey.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        Yes. Neither can one separate a douche from his bag.

  • Ivan Teo

    I dunno why Chinese are so proud of their 5000 years of history. I don’t see any civilization in Chinese at all.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      I love China but i totally agree that there is not 5000 years of history visible in Chengdu…5000 years of history apparently only exists in books…and you indeed need a good 5000 years of history to cover up all that muck.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        Let’s get this straight: it’s not “5000 years of history”. It’s “5000 years of continued tradition”. The number of years is irrelevant; the idea is that the Chinese essence is the same now as it always is.

        A Chinese from right now is the same as one from 5000 years ago; they have the same customs and traditions. What is being celebrated is that there is an unbroken legacy of this culture being passed down from one generation to another.

        So. A Chinese from right now can have a conversation with one from 5000 years ago with no problem. Within 5 minutes the two would quickly find out that while so much has changed in terms of Chinese inventions and men’s hairstyles, China hasn’t won a football match in 5000 years.

        • Me

          A Chinese person from today could not have a conversation with a Chinese person from 300 years ago let alone someone from 5000 years ago. That is ridiculous. The languages and customs are totally different. Everywhere in the world where humans have lived for the past 5000 years can claim the same. The notion that China is somehow unique in having 5000 years of continuous tradition is bullshit. Just more bullshit that these commie historians spew to convince their citizens that they are separate and superior to the rest of humanity. This combined with the bullshit about how all foreigners want to destroy China is what keeps the people scared and xenophobic.

          • Echo_Seven

            The neat thing about human cultures is that, in theory, everything can be changed in a generation. If the elders and parents don’t properly pass on something to their children, in a generation it will be gone.

            As an aside, it would be really interesting to somehow be able to go back in time and see what Chinese and Chinese civilization was like 5,000 years ago.

          • Mighty

            The same as it is today. People picking noses in public, not much orderly mannerism (not lining up in place), carrying a conversation loudly in the presence of other people, etc.

          • garbo

            The loud conversations drive me crazy. I asked them why they speak so loudly, then followed with they must have bad hearing.

          • Mighty

            Especially in an enclosed environment, like an airplane! I’m sitting in my seat and one of them would stand up in the row in front, turned to a friend sitting behind and start yelling at each other. And of course, loud clearing of throat followed by saliva expectoration into the vomit bags are all around. (I really hope they used the vomit bags).

          • radbab

            harmless. get on a flight full of business people who haven’t changed socks for a week and then go ahead and remove their shoes ;) (tip: don’t fly chengdu – shanghai on friday evenings)

          • Mighty

            Hahahaha… I can’t even begin to imagine what that is like.
            Tip: Wear a surgical mask dabbed with a little Tiger Balm oil. This helps your sinus clear of unwanted odor plus it freaks out other passengers and they’ll keep their distance.

          • Les Battersby

            I don’t know which are worse, the planes or trains. Taking the train, waiting to brush your teeth in the morning, while some guy is hacking up god knows what for the best part of 5 minutes can be really offputting for breakfast. I suppose taking the plain is the short pain (hah, that rhymes, mad skillz yo!)

          • Echo_Seven

            I disagree, unless you’re willing to say the same thing about the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Singaporeans, etc. These cultures, if we work off the Chinese “5,000 year civilization” claim, originate from that same 5,000 year-old ancestor culture (with Taiwan only having split off 65 years ago).

            Ah, Singapore, the cleanest, almost obnoxiously over-achievingest city/country I’ve ever been to…

          • maja

            so you do believe to the 5000 years thing..

            anywyas, I probably pick my nose more then most chinese people, but I line up more. no puns.

          • Mighty

            I pick my nose as much as any Chinese. I just don’t do it in public.
            “line up more”? hehe…

          • Ex-expat

            Yes, Pu Tong Hua is actually a relatively new language.

          • ScottLoar

            It dates from the very late Ming, early Qing. For example, the rhyme books of the Tang dynasty show the language spoken then to be somewhat like Cantonese.

          • wacky

            if the pu tong hua you mean here is mandarin standard language by the government then it is very recent.

            i think mandarin dialect was used since the ming dynasty, there are lots of variants of the dialect all across china

          • wacky

            the changing of language is gradual, different language does not mean different civilization, mandarin and cantonese are different one another (cantonese being the older dialect), the root of the civilization and historiography are the base to make that claim it was not come out of nowhere.

            foreigner wants to destroy china is as real as you can see in your tv, and western media smear campaign against china and of course the recent american move to pacific

          • Rick in China

            Wumao at it’s finest.

            “foreigner wants to destroy china” < More like China wants to destroy China – Mao tried, but didn't finish the job.

          • wacky

            foreigner wants to destroy china is as real as i show in my post, pointing your finger at me does not change the fact on the ground, of course as a foreigner you want to play down this fact.

          • vagabond

            foreigners did want to destroy china…

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Not me, nor anyone in my family tree, nor anyone that i know

          • wacky

            how about your government???

          • YungBruce

            super dumb

        • usodumb

          LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

          u dumb

        • nqk123

          i failed to see any tradition left during my visit. maybe my trip is too short

        • Germandude

          It’s not about how many hours you put in. It’s about how much you put into the hours.

        • wacky

          continuation =/= stay the same in 5000 years, continuation means gradual changes that has not been being cut off from its root.

        • radbab

          “the idea is that the Chinese essence is the same now as it always is” – scary shit. so nothing will change, huh?

        • wacky

          the 5000 years claim came after the discovery of longshan culture
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L

          which is compatible with chinese historiography about the 5 emperors.

          http://archaeology.about.com/o

          if you read the chinese historiography it is not at all started from
          the xia dynasty but from the earlier huaxia tribe of yellow river valley

          • MeiDaxia

            I’m sure you’ll also claim that Goguryo is also a part of Chinese history, and not at all Korean history, therefore Koreans living in China are forbidden to learn any kind of history that makes an attempt to state that some rather small portion of northeastern China didn’t actually belong to “China” forever… Because seriously, Korean high schools/international schools/ whatever are forbidden from teaching the history of Korea as a subject in their schools.

            Also, you’re willing to concede the whole continuous =/= stay the same for 5000 years about culture, but what about physical substance like, say, Chinese national borders? China has something like 11 different border disputes with neighboring countries, many over fairly trivial areas. Nevermind the new Chinese “navy” forays into “reclaiming” what were once, one time, a long time ago but hardly recently parts of “China.” Hell, China isn’t even a Chinese concept! “China” was a label placed on what would later become the overall land owned by the Qing Dynasty! Show me where, in Chinese history, they ever referred to themselves as “Chinese” or hell, even when they ever called themselves one “people.” That didn’t happen until nationalism and the idea of a nation-state upon the collapse of the Qing in 1911. Before that “China” was just a bunch of land ruled by an empire using that area’s basic system of governance (which hadn’t really changed much in 4k years. New rulers, same game). There was a written language shared among most southeast and far east asian nations, but not one of them spoke the same dialect, and later they created their own methods of writing because hanzi just couldn’t do the job effectively.

            If you wanna talk real 5k years of history/culture/whatever, then I’ll absolutely agree with you that the corrupt, authoritarian leadership that exists now is simply a more modern interpretation of the traditional Chinese imperial system. The biggest roblem now, and the largest threat to governance, is the freedom of information that the internet has brought to China. The great Firewall can only censor so much, and the Chinese people are getting smart enough that they can see when they are being taken advantage of. China may perhaps be the only country beneath the USA when ranked by the citizens’ faith in their government. And that’s from the American Hero himself.

            tl,dr: China is a Western concept, not “Chinese”

          • wacky

            if you are also believe in shit dont put that on me.

            chinese as a concept of civilization has been around since the first unification
            that is why sima qian said a country long divided must be unified a country long unified will be divided.

            continuous means gradual changes, if you are to stupid to read my earlier post let me say this once more.
            continuous means gradual changes means that even if there is a period of foreign incursion or invasion or occupation chcinese civilization as a whole has not change to the point of unrecognizable. means mongolian yuan did not change chinese script to mongolian script or chinese religions to some kind of foreign religion (some mongolian were muslim and nestorian), chinese name is still 3 syllables name not a single mongolian name or western name.

            nationalism is s western concept adopted by chinese just like buddhism is a indian religion adopted by chinese, neither make chinese less chinese nor end the civilization.

            hanzi is chinese writing for chinese dialect only, the fact that you said many countries adopted it then abandoned it prove that the writing system was and is not suitable for language that is not sinic.

            and if you want to rant about government and corruption pleas make a new thread.

          • wacky

            the quote is not form sima qian but from 15th century romance of three kingdoms, still it deliver the message.

            if you really read the chinese history they clearly distinguish between themselves and neighboring barbarians that is why you have the term like man, di, rong, yi dll.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Madalibi/Distinction_between_Hua_and_Yi

            there was no emperor that did not push for unification of china, every time china got divided it would eventually unified by the new emperor, there was none of those emperor who thought to leave a small divided kingdom to rule on their own

          • MeiDaxia

            Maybe I wasn’t clear in my reasoning, but you did nothing to refute my point that China is an entirely western concept put upon the region where the modern country, China, exists today. Chinese didn’t ever call themselves Chinese. They were Han, Hui, xixia, jin, tvrks, Uighur, etc. Under a ruling empire. That ruling empire was sometimes ethnic Han, but it Han =/= Chinese. Chinese is similar to saying American, except that American ethnic groups came from all.over the world whereas Chinese ethnic groups are all local minorities. They never called themselves Chinese until there was a western name for the place they lived, Westerners called it “China.”
            Before they were simply subjects of ___ minority of ___ empire.

            Some Chinese use the 5000 years of history argument to justify the reclamation of previous dynastic holdings, and my argument is not so different from your 分久必合合久必分 argument; that is to say it was once part of the ruling empire of the time, but before and after it was either it’s own nation or under governance of another nation. Korea was only once aver partially part of any Chinese dynasty, that was the Han dynasty. Some part of what was called Manchuria was under direct governance by the Goryeo dynasty, the dynasty from which the name Korea is derived. Chinese insist Goryeo was Chinese and that any insistence that it was Korean is subversive and therefore banned.

            Asia gets really torn up when discussing history, be it ancient or modern, because of a feeling of having to prove their uniqueness or authority, rather than accepting your stated theory that “things change.”

            P.s. this is coming from my phone while I have my lunch, please forgive any spelling grammatical errors, I’ll fix what I can when I get to a computer.

          • wacky

            i have, china where chinese people live is older than your western concept.

            chinese today encompasses area that was not populated by han people hence not sincized, just like guangdong back in 300bc was not part of china or chinese civilization. china we are talking about here is not just about a place where people live but more than that it is the continuity of history and civilization, is the continuity of the HUA that is why i gave you the link about the definition, in the past chinese people had been able to differentiate themselves from the barbarian that made them chinese even before the westerner come
            the process of becoming chines called sinicization, and non chinese can be chinese thought this process of assimilation, that is chinese way not western way of becoming citizen of a country.
            true the term china is western confused term. chinese term is zhongguo, only confused western used that china term.

            i have posted the link about the 5000 years of civilization, the link talk about longshan culture in yellow river valley that is quite compatible with chinese historiography, not about your political view of in regard of korean position in chinese history, i have never brought this issue you are the one confused with i i said

          • maja

            nationalism is a pehenomenon, not a “concept”. if some chinese ruler decided that it was time for his people to “adopt” a social phenomenon like it was some kind of new fashion… that’s your problem and you’d better face it.

          • wacky

            whatever it is, my point it nationalism did not undermine chinese civilization, cultur or history

          • maja

            my point is, chinese culture exists already. try to make the best out of it.

          • maja

            my point is chinese culture exists already, think how to better it better.

      • garbo

        Chengdu is a great place.

        • http://www.facebook.com/gordon.gogodancer Gordon Gogodancer

          I agree. But it is a mess

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            did i get a thumbs down for agreeing that Chengdu is a great place or mentioning that it’s a mess…i’m confused.

      • wacky
        • Gordon Gogodancer

          Thanks for the article but did you have a point?

          • wacky

            my reply earlier to wes707

            the 5000 years claim came after the discovery of longshan culture
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L

            which is compatible with chinese historiography about the 5 emperors.

            http://archaeology.about.com/o

            if you read the chinese historiography it is not at all started from
            the xia dynasty but from the earlier huaxia tribe of yellow river valley

          • wacky

            i think i suppose to reply to terroir not you

      • Jimney Cricket

        5000 years haven’t taught Chinese people how not to spit, shit, blow nose-rockets and piss on the street. If it really was a true 5000 year old culture, Chinese would have been the first space explorers, inventors of the airplane, automobile, computer etc.

        All I can say is that if I leave dog shit for 5000 years, in essence, it’s still dog shit. Just really old dog shit.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      You are wearing beer goggles. For proper viewing, you need to put on baijiu-glasses.

    • wes707

      The mythical Xia Dynasty has not even been verified and is claimed to be only 4,000 years ago. Keep in mind that a substantial part of “China” was not unified until 221BC and did not remain unified as one nation. This “5,000 years of unbroken and homogeneous history” is part of the force-fed education that the Chinese proudly regurgitate to thwart actual discernment of history.

      • Rick in China

        It *is* unbroken. You see – the ‘invasions’ by other groups, like mongolians…aren’t really invasions – as they’re all “Chinese”.

        There’s no doubt history here _is_ ancient.. it’s just kind of how it’s presented as a “harmonious and continues” society since those ancient times which is nonsense.

        • Critical thinking?

          I always love how the Chinese will say it wasn’t invasions because they were all Chinese. But if you say China invaded Japan they will claim it wasn’t China, it was the Mongolians.

          • Probotector

            “Genghis Khan was Chinese”

            “We Chinese never invaded a country that didn’t rightfully belong to us”

            If they say so…

          • Rick in China

            Chinese, surprisingly enough, are a lot like Christians in their arguments.

            The bible, like Chinese history, has so many ways to interpret it that every argument can be made from both sides: for example, love thy neighbour vs. homosexuals should die. We never invade or nation build yet one of history’s most famous invaders/empire expansionists is Chinese.

            Chinese arguments are the same. When it suits whatever position they want to make, many will simply pick the rhetorical phrase that suits their side, preach it like it’s unilateral fact, and say shit like “you don’t understand, you’re not Chinese” or “you don’t know the truth show me some facts!”

          • radbab

            I have to admit, they’re right. The longer I’m here the less I understand. Nothing really makes any sense.

          • Mighty

            The longer I’m here the dumber I feel trying to debate with these ultra nationalistic Chinese retards.

          • Mighty

            Don’t forget one major fact that the Chinese are the biggest hypocrites ever.

          • MeiDaxia

            That’s unfair, i mean how can one judge hypocrisy? In terms of government hypocrisy, I think many Americans would portend that the US government is the biggest hypocrite ever? That’s a relative argument, be rational.

            Like… Chinese are brainwashed into hypocrisy, rather than choosing to be that way.

          • Mighty

            I don’t deny the US gov’t is the biggest hypocrite in terms of foreign policy, trade, etc. But I’m talking about the general populace.

            One thing I still can’t understand is whenever I talk about the ‘people’ it always leads to the US gov’t being in the conversation.

            By your last sentence you agree that the Chinese are hypocrites but only because the gov’t led them that way?

          • MeiDaxia

            I wouldn’t say only, but I’ve come to view many Chinese as social chameleons, they do/say whatever they need to to “fit in” to a situation, which started out as a survival instinct but became an art. I only brought up the US because I am American and so I feel bringing up any other country which I have no knowledge about would seem rather petty.

            I was mostly just trying to soften up that strong accusation of yours, because I know plenty of non-hypocritical Chinese, the same as I know many uber-hypocritical Americans.

          • Mighty

            Just as I didn’t say ‘all’ Chinese. I said the ‘general’ populace that is mostly seen by outsiders. I don’t think it was a strong accusation as much as a declaration of hypocrisy.

          • MeiDaxia

            If I said “Americans are retards,” it may come across with the same strength as how I read your initial statement, in that by not qualifying it with “some” it in essence implies all. I got you point, and I don’t disagree, I’m just a diligent English teacher… haha!

          • Mighty

            Fair enough. I shall redo my papers to turn in. :D

          • Alice S

            Mongolians invaded JAPPS, not…

        • wacky

          unbroken measn that those invasions did not change chinese culture as a whole. mongolian invasion did not kill chiense civilization nor did they change it into something more mongolian. chinese script still chinese script not mongolian one, chiense people still livedi like chinese not goat herding horse riding mongolian

          • Barney Rubble

            Therefore Mao’s Cultural Revolution broke the unbroken 5000 years?

          • wacky

            why because it is called CULTURAL REVOLUTION??? cultural revoulution is a mere a decade of mess. chinese script is still chinese script, chinese culture is still chinese culture, a decade of disturbance did not at all change the civilization as a whole.

            i would like to hear the base of your logic though.

          • Atlas

            I have to agree with you. Just like when my Chinese friends tell me they are much better off with the CCP in power than an emperor, I came to believe that there is no real difference for the average Chinese in the end.

          • wacky

            unfortunately your chinese friend was never ruled by the emperor

          • maja

            it was indeed a very hard decade, and the recent ones have been even harder for the culture. sometimes I meet people who after studying abroad come back to china and.. really, only in their minds the country they left behind is the same.

      • jixiang

        It is a fact that the concept of “China” as a nation has existed for far longer than the concept of most other modern nations. It isn’t 5000 years old, but it is at least 3000 years old. 3000 years ago, nobody even dreamed of France, Italy or Russia, yet in some parts of what is now China, the idea of “China” already existed.

        • Rick in China

          That’s absolutely nonsense. How do you define the “idea of China”?

          Every area “dreamed” of coalescing their local area, usually defined by geographic challenges in moving farther along. There were then a series of wars and conquests in that area between groups who wanted to do the same, but thought “they” were the rightful rulers of that same area. Empires changed hands. Languages evolved. Culture built upon the past cultures of the area and combined with nearby areas to advance, and civilization evolved.

          What exactly is unique about China’s past? Was it called “CHINA” 3000 years ago? News to me, I didn’t realize some kid wrote “CHINA” on some 3000 year old tablets. More government inspired rhetoric, please.

          • jixiang

            It’s not “absolute nonsense”, it’s just that you can’t accept any post which appears to agree with Chinese notions of their own history.

            The concept of a cultural unit and a nation called China did exist 3000 years ago, whether you like it or not. Most of what we now identify with Chinese culture (Confucianism, Daoism, the characters) existed by about 2200 years ago, and there has never been a break with this past. The invasions by the Mongols and the Manchu didn’t alter the culture at all, or hardly. Thus, it makes sense to see China as a single unbroken cultural unit going back at least to those days. It’s not the 5000 years of history books, but it is a long time. Only a few other nations can make such claims.

          • Rick in China

            So Greek philosophy has existed 2500 years and european growth since early empires spawned from that general area, therefor spreading their philosophies over time. Thus, Western (Greek philosophy being the foundation of ‘western thinking’ and democracy) culture has been around longer. It has been unbroken. Historically, western nations – which share this culture, goes back thousands of years.

          • wacky

            continuity is relative not absolute, greek philosophy has been there since 2500 years ago but it was not widely read or used during the middle ages, the bible was until the renaissance
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renessaince#Latin_and_Greek_phases_of_Renaissance_humanism
            In stark contrast to the High Middle Ages, when Latin scholars focused almost entirely on studying Greek and Arabic works of natural science, philosophy and mathematics,[24]
            Renaissance scholars were most interested in recovering and studying
            Latin and Greek literary, historical, and oratorical texts.

          • Putt

            Ever hear of the dark ages Rick? lmao go back to history class

        • Les Battersby

          You don’t dream up a nation, it is ofttimes forged by bloodshed, political struggle and upheaval, and most importantly unity. China was warring states, and each part of the nation to this day, is still distrustful of each other, north vs south, east vs west, han vs uighur and so on…..unified and already existed my brown hole.

          • Mighty

            Even now, insults and stereotyping between Beijingers, Shanghainese, Guangzhouese, and everywhere else is common.

          • Les Battersby

            All xinjiang ren are pickpockets, all northerners are strong and forthright and good drinkers, all cantonese are good at making money and on ad infinitum,,,,,,

          • Mighty

            Shanghainese, like Jin, are ‘all talk and no action’, according to Beijingers.

        • radbab

          ok you win. happy? :)

          • Mighty

            Nope, not until you acknowledge that China was a world super power 5,000 years ago.

        • http://taupeng.tumblr.com Tau Peng Lim

          Well in that case, the unified kingdom of Egypt has been around since the 3100 BC, far longer than the concept of “China” as a nation. Sure their rulers/kings have been changed here and there, plus being colonized by other nations during colonial days, but they are still around today.

          • jixiang

            There is an important difference. After the Arab invasion, most Egyptians turned to Islam and all of them eventually abandoned their language in favour of Arabic. This was a complete break with the past, on a scale which never happened in China. Nowadays most Egyptians identify as Arabs.

      • wacky

        the 5000 years claim came after the discovery of longshan culture
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longshan_culture

        which is compatible with chinese historiography about the 5 emperors.

        http://archaeology.about.com/od/lterms/qt/longshan.htm

        if you read the chinese historiography it is not at all started from the xia dynasty but from the earlier huaxia tribe of yellow river valley

        • MeiDaxia

          copypasta

          • wacky

            with content

    • glenn

      what a bunch of losers. one chinese kid did something wrong let’s all blame all chinese!

      hey hypocrites. what about all the loots done by you heh? what about all the looting you did that you so conveniently forget to mention? you know, all those egyptian and chinese artifacts in your great “museum”?

      • Probotector

        Another sins of the father argument. We’ve kind of evolved since then; the Chinese haven’t. If you look at the other posts on this feed, people mention other vandalism Chinese have done to their own historical relics. In any case, China has a general ‘fuck you’ attitude to the world these days, if you haven’t noticed. This incident pretty much characterizes that.

        • glenn

          oh really? those writings on the ancient walls look pretty fresh to me! say it ain’t so. haha . caught in the act!

          • Terrik

            Yeah, I’ve been to the great wall a dozen times. The Chinese scribbles on the wall outnumber the foreign scribbles on the wall 1000:1

            But hey, even Chairman Mao wrote on the wall.

          • glenn

            so that makes it okay to vandalize?

          • Probotector

            Aren’t China’s leaders great?

          • Rick in China

            Hey Fuckface

            That’s not the “great wall” – that’s a newly bricked structure to represent the great wall.

          • glenn

            haha. typical loser who have no shame, also with a low iq. so you believe the loser who said the wall was built in the 70s? what a moron.

            you think all the great wall were built 2000 years ago? at least you could have googled to save you the embarrassment. the saction of great wall open for visitors were built during ming dynasty. typical behavior of a loser.

          • Rick in China

            It wasn’t a great wall 2000 years ago. It was the beginnings of a small mound of dirt demonstrating a ‘border’. A wheel could roll over it.

            “open for visitors…during ming dynasty” – have you even been to the ‘great wall’? Walk to the end of the visitors walk-way, you’ll see the real wall in the distance… or should I say “bits of rubble” – and you’ll see, sometimes, construction workers extending new bits on to the walkable section.

            There’s no argument that over time it is a great feat, a great and famous Chinese accomplishment. I’m not refuting that. I’m saying what you’re showing above, is not even CLOSE to MING dynasty era, those pieces are more like last fuckin month era.

          • glenn

            bullcrap. the section open for visitors were mainly built during MING. this is a fact. quote your source if you claim the tourist section was built in the 70s! stop making up crap okay?

          • Rick in China

            There are many sections. How many have you personally been to?

            I never said anything about the 70’s. You did. I said when I visited the great wall north of Beijing, I saw workers working on it at the far end *while I was there*.

            Edit: I’m not saying there are not ancient sections, and it has most definitely been rebuilt and added to (ie. made higher) over the years..and that’s all fair and good, but the fact is, the photos above – you think THOSE sections were built in the MING dynasty? are you HIGH? Most of the larger more common visited sections are all _brand new_. Again, there’s nothing WRONG with that, but don’t compare scratching one’s name on a brand new ‘remodel’ with scratching one’s name on an original several-thousand-year-old engraving.

          • glenn

            so maintaining and repairing the structure equals building?

          • Barney Rubble

            maintaining and repairing would involve fixing cracks, supporting or fortifying the structure…. if you’re adding brick upon brick, that’s rebuilding

          • glenn

            stop the bullshit okay? quote your source that those were recently built okay? what a loser.

          • Rick in China

            Source: MY EYES.

            Your source: “what you heard from gov’t famous for propaganda.”

            You pick.

          • glenn

            haha, you got no source. zero, nada, since all sources indicate those were mainly built during ming. maintaining a building equals rebuilding? your eyes? you can’t even tell the difference between an apple and an orange.

          • BiggJ

            Well they mostly restore it to how it was….but there are areas that are rebuild completely. Not a lot though. I think the base is still there. They just outline it with new bricks. And it’s not a lot only a few KM at a time and mostly in main tourist spots.

          • maja

            how many visistors visit 八达岭 every single day? how could the wall endure that stress? why do you think only a few sections of the wall are open to the public?

          • Rick in China

            Amazing!

          • glenn

            ancient ruins. your point?

          • Rick in China

            The original great wall. Literally.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            the Mongolian were crossing over in that picture? Certainly one of them will not resist the chance to say “made in China” – followed by laughter

          • Rick in China

            Yeah – I think it was likely intended as more of a deterrent, ala “This is our border..cross and it’s war” – or intended as being continually built upon after QinShiHuang’s death.

            Either way, the original great wall wouldn’t have really stopped anyone – there are some old Chinese texts that tell about Mongolians who literally pushed it apart and invaded unsuspecting encampments on the Chinese side..

            It is an amazing structure, though, if not for the fact it has been something _started_ so long ago, and at several periods of time rebuilt and added to – which I guess is the only true testament to “ancient China in modern day” – at least that was something with a foundation. Modern China, by contrast, just wiped away everything old and recreates itself with equally shoddy construction :D

          • Les Battersby

            I personally have no interest to visit it for two reasons, 1, the crowds, 2nd, the high ticket fee normally never justifies a visit in China.

          • Jin Ch’in

            you must be extremely poor..even poorer then the poor Chinese farmers

          • Les Battersby

            The fact I can access the WWW, ( where was http invented by the way, dear boy?!) using my own computer and customized software makes me richer than chinese farmers. How many chinese farmers have their own computer and unrestricted net access? Not many to none I would wager. How many can go freely to a country with universal welfare any time they choose? Again, I will guess for you, NONE! How many have a western education from a western university, yep, you guessed it, ding, NONE!! Tell you what pal, go back to your nice clean suburb of san francisco of ABC’s, it is obvious you have never slurped a 5 kuai bowl of noodles with the average chinese person on the street, now little to nothing about China, except having them shine your shoes, by the way the sewers run under you neighbourhood too, and get stuffed yuppie troll

          • Les Battersby

            plus, your kind are scum coming to china and fucking impressionable mainland schoolgirls, on account of your american chinese-ness, you are just peado-pimps the lot of you! and get stuffed again warty troll!

          • Shanglow

            Master ,being poor, in a monetary sense, is that bad ? But, you are poor in compassion AND in brains, is that bad too ?

          • maja

            no really, if you want to visit the wall going to the open sections is like going to KFC and saying you hate a delicous burger.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Talk about shoddy construction have you heard of the twin towers in NYC haha

          • Les Battersby

            Shoddy construction you say? what about railway bridges filled with wood shavings or wooden shingle used on a certain re-entry craft? Go and drink some more of your mothers milk, dear boy.

          • mr.wiener

            The reference to 911, the desperate need for people to be shocked and hate on him? Not the same kind of teutonic Gotterdammerung as Hongjian , but a plausable effort none the less, I’d give it a 7 out of ten.

          • Les Battersby

            Believe you me, I took his threat of physical violence against me very seriously!

          • Jin Ch’in

            I seriously think you have some kind of mental disability

          • Les Battersby

            Pot calling kettle black. Go back to your starbucks in some snug suburb of san francisco, yuppie and get right stuffed!!!

          • mr.wiener

            He actually offered a threat of physical violence? Chance should be so fine a thing. I’ll bring the boxing gloves, can i be your second?

          • Les Battersby

            In deference to you, I’d let you have the first 5 rounds, but I don’t think he would make it through one:D

          • MeiDaxia

            The original wall was a high mound of dirt with a kind of palisade on top. Not the big stone wall we think of now. The wall existed in 3 (i think) major iterations throughout history, the Qin wall that Han maintained, the Tang wall, and the Ming wall which “lasted” until now. The Tang version was, you guessed it, Terra Cotta (like most Tang pottery) but the Ming wall was the big fancy Chinese version of a Roman Road (read that as elevated highway for moving troops, not “blocking” out the Mongolians).

            All in all, the wall served to end ethnic Han rule over China, as a general of the Ming Dynasty literally opened the gates and let the Manchu in to help quell an uprising in the capitol, and the Manchu did just that, then stayed.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            double post, deleted

          • glenn

            original? great wall was so long, some were built by simple methods, some were lost , some were built two thousand years ago and now became ruins. you selectively pick a section and call it the “original great wall”. have you no shame? but i can’t expect much from an idiot who can’t even tell maintenance from rebuilding.

          • Les Battersby

            Seconded.

          • BiggJ

            Actually someone of it was build not even 10 years ago.

          • Barney Rubble
          • maja

            why don’t you visit the sections that are not opened? you don’t have to actually climb it just go there and stand on one side, and take a look.

          • Les Battersby

            It was the 80s actually, according to my lonely planet guidebook. Or are you suggesting travel writers who are paid for a living are wrong?!

          • slrur

            still vandalism

          • Probotector

            I dunno, it looks like he’s pointing out to them the shoddy construction in the bricks and mortar.

          • slrur

            the other picture shows the wall with foreign names

          • Rick in China

            Agree completely. I’m not saying it’s not – and I’m not saying it’s OK. I’m saying:

            There’s a significant difference between ‘vandalizing’ a replica or something that’s newly structured, and vandalizing an ancient several thousand year old structure. One can be easily replaced or repaired, the other – well, is impossible.

          • slrur

            the question is do they know that is not the ancient structure?

          • linette lee

            That looks like Brooklyn bridge. That’s is a very important structure for America. It has history.

            http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/Y/o/brooklynbridgegetty.jpg

          • nqk123

            @glenn, i can see lots chinese name on the wall too. make the picture big and anyone can it.

          • mr.wiener

            A question?
            Is he actually scratching his name on the wall? It’s hard to tell.
            An observation.
            I see plenty of Chinese graffetti below his arm. If he is a douchebag vandal he is only one of many who have come there before him. I hope you would say they should all be punished.

          • Jin Ch’in

            the question is how frustrated will you be tonight because your thai wife wont put out?

          • Shanglow

            Your’e pretty aware of how it feels being constantly rejected by women, huh ?

          • mr.wiener

            Not up to your normal troll standard, I’d give that about a 4. Nice try with getting the nationalities mixed up though :)

      • Ivan Teo

        Because other shit on the road, so its ok for me to do so. Because other did that, so its nothing wrong. This is why i say there are no civilization in Chinese at all. Their thoughts are so primitive.

        • glenn

          you can’t read english? most of the comments made by the chinese were criticizing that behavior. but here we see all the comments blaming everything on the whole chinese population. so who is the primitive one? haha.

      • nqk123

        wow great, referring to the past again. And at a time period when every nations was power grabbing, much less civilized than now, and nations at war can happen easily. why don’t you try finding something more current. Most people are quite sick of Chinese who keep referring to the past and playing victim as an argument. And it’s quite silly when people who never suffered under any of these making the comments.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          Well if you are so “civilized” then why don’t you return all the relics you looted in the past?

          • nqk123

            so you don’t agree that society as whole have evolve much more civilize than in the past? As for the relic(s), why are you asking me when I never even seen or know its. Instead of complaining, why don’t you try to do something to get it back.

          • PixelPulse

            Like the Korean guy that stole that statue from Japan?

          • nqk123

            well, how they get its back is all up to them, I don’t recommend anything illegal. under hand methods will put them at the same level as the people who did it before.

          • Alice S

            Where did you get the source from? Be careful everyone does not start talking about something that does not exist!

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I’ll just go and get that one in my attic now shall I ?

        • Rick in China

          Right…

          东亚病夫

      • moody

        Well, it has been proven very recently -with the plundering of several museums in Egypt- that Egyptian artifacts are safer in the Louvre than they ever were in Egypt.

        By the way, Egypt has momentarily stoped all claim to return said artifacts.

        They probably wait until we all forget how close it came from disapearing in private collections

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        “what a bunch of losers. one chinese kid did something wrong let’s all blame all chinese!” Yep, that’s how it feels when one foreigner (that’s not even of your country or even of a similar cultural background or skin color) does something stupid: You feel like your being blamed for whatever the feck somebody of this earth did. :p

      • Jin Ch’in

        All the whites would be up in arms how dare you critic their race..they are perfect!
        People who do stupid things come from all race, shape and social background so by saying this kid is a reflection of all Chinese is just RACIST!

    • Rainer

      Its not a big deal if “Chinese are so proud of their 5000 years of history”. The issue here is —–the boy could’ve had nowhere to carve, if Brits had shipped the complete Luxor Temple to wonderful British Museum some 60 years ago, damn.

  • Appalled@everything

    I think it wouldn’t be too hard for Egyptian immigration to find this moron. He signed his name after all. Yes, another proud day in the modern day escapades of the most ignorant and disrespectful nation on earth this is. Bravo little Chinese cretin for making your nation look bad-der

    • Zappa Frank

      probably he’s already gone. In Egypt there are not strict controls.. i remember i took a flight from Luxor with a friend, and on tickes our names were “mr. banaha” and “mrs banaha” or something similar.

      • http://www.sos-symphysiotomy.com/ redgirls

        lolz, Whenever I book tickets seats ect for my partner I sign his name Jerry McFuckerty nothing funnier than him sitting in his reserved seat with Mr Jerry McFuckerty written above his head.

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  • wafflestomp

    Chinese tourists are scum.

    Also, LOL

    “Don’t just blindly feel ashamed. What was carved was Chinese characters, but it may not necessarily have been carved by a Chinese person!”

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      You forgot the Chinese netizen response. Two of them:

      “You really know how to find excuses, don’t you!”

      “No wonder China is like this. precisely because there are too many unbelievable people like you, who always blame the problems on others/think it is other people’s problems.”

      • Zappa Frank

        but also:

        “I’m speechless. Just because a fellow national carved a word on other people’s stones, you guys want to drive this fellow compatriot out of the country? Is face more important, or is our unity more important?”

        • Germandude

          So? You are surprised that China, a country with 1.3 bln people, contains some morons as well as people with thought? Like any other country in the world?
          Nothing special to see here if you ask me.

        • radbab

          haha. the same people caring for chinese unity will then badmouth their neighbors at home from being from the wrong province or being migrant worker scum or whatever and at the same time despise any non mainland chinese. Gotta love when this “chinese unity” bs pops up.

  • Nilerafter24

    Well, just to balance things out, when I visited the great wall in 2010, there were a bunch of German youths (I think they were anyway, or maybe dutch, judging from the sound of the language they were speaking) who were rather loud. It was late in the evening and I remember seeing one use a sharp rock to write something on the wall which is adjacent to one of the side staircases that lead to the upper wall (I was along an upper banister trying to take a 3D panorama when I saw this). I think i even still have a photo with the group in question.
    I remember one old white woman even scolded them on her way down.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Not excusing the Germans (their nice cars make up for it), but the Great Wall is regularly defaced with Chinese graffiti and vandalism.

      But then, Meng Jiang Nv did it first by crying so hard that hundreds of miles of wall came collapsing down. It’s only tradition.

    • maja

      yes, the masses of tourists going to visit historical sites around the world are lousy anywhere, my homecountry is full of this kind of bullshit.
      still… I never thought something like that could happen in Egypt. I always thought those relics to be different, that no one could go there and not feel their importance, it’s about the way they were lost for centuries and then rediscovered and… well, something has to be done to prevent this kind of stuff, because when it starts it can only get worse if nobody moves.

    • Zappa Frank

      Not excusing Germans, but the great wall visited by tourist is largely rebuild and not original at all.. like in Yunnan where they buidt up some “ancient wall” where have never been one.

    • Me

      Most of the tourist spots along the great wall were rebuilt in the 1970’s using new stone stacked over the rubble of the original wall. Those are not ancient stones. Who knows if the foundation is even authentic. Nothing in China has been preserved. Maintenance and stewardship is not a part of Chinese culture. Why take care of something when you can just make fake copies and lie about history. Why should you ever tell the truth or care about authenticity in a culture where doing so is seen as stupid childish behavior and questioning authenticity or the lies of your superior s is seen as the greatest social faux pas.

      The Egyptian relics are actual pieces of art that have been preserved for thousands of years. Big difference.

      • Davd S.

        That is an interesting point. I think we can all agree that the lowliness of character lies in the intended deed rather than the actual deed. Were these germanic youths aware of the largely renovated nature of the Great Wall?

        I would venture the guess that, being of the graffiti-loving persuasion, they were out to carve the Great Wall, which really does not make them so very different from Young Ding.

      • radbab

        I have to agree. That’s why I usually don’t lend stuff to Chinese and if I do they get a lecture of how to return the item, when to return it and in which state. This also explains the sorry state of many apartments here. Given their age they should be like new but all the neglect and carelessness turned some new places into real shitholes here. People need to learn how to take care of stuff… or just go to Xiamen and see all the old buildings in decay :/

    • ScottLoar

      And at the Taj Mahal Indian tourists pitch coins over the screening and into the crypt hard enough to mar the marble, all the while giggling “Allah Akbar”.

  • BrandeX

    If this happened in China, there would have been mass riots nationwide until the foreigner was caught and punished.

    • wafflestomp

      So true. Imagine if I carved something in the forbidden palace? I’d be fucked.

      • Putt

        There’s a ton of graffiti by foreigners on the great wall and the forbidden palace man… have you even been there?

        • Suicidal Tendency

          Just wait for it to get a decent internet report. Until there, no one will give a sh… After that, it will become a sudden national concern on the web.

        • BrandeX

          I have. All the parts you can actually go to are remodeled in the last 50 years, nothing really thousands of years old.

          • Putt

            Right because those vandalizing it are aware of this are say to themselves: “Oh well this is not actually thousands of years old so it’s okay to vandalize this historic site”. The foreigners defending this bullshit are so pathetic.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            This is still tiny in comparison to the kinds of crap I’ve seen
            Chinese graffiti on. My grandfather told me back when he was living in
            Maui, that some Chinese tourists decided to carve their name into a
            coral bed. Those assholes killed off the coral as a result, and
            rendered a mile of reef uninhabitable for local marine life.

            A few names on a huge ass wall seem tiny by comparison.

          • Putt

            OH PLEASE. How often have you travelled? Been to Rome? Athens? Pretty sure the Chinese don’t use the alphabet.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Let’s see. I’ve been to Beijing, Xi’an, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chongqin, Honolulu, Kaanapali, Las Vegas, Lake Tahoe, Miami, Washington D.C, Berlin, Frankfurt, London, Dublin, Paris, and in a few weeks I’ll be going to Rome.

            And I didn’t say they were English letters dingbat, they were Chinese characters, hence why my grandfather called it Chinese.

          • Putt

            My point was that the vast majority of vandalism are historical sites all over the world are from english speaking writers, whom are most likely not of the Chinese nationality. Is that clear dingbat?

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Yeah in unliving rock.

            I’ve yet to see English written graffiti actual damage the environment.

            You’re comparing apple to oranges.

          • Putt

            Glad you understand now. Can’t believe it took so long.

          • Dr Sun

            then you haven’t been to many national parks in the USA, have you ?
            Graffiti written/ painted everywhere and carved into the trees, and yes in English.

          • Zappa Frank

            the same things happen with russian turist in sharm el sheikh, egypth

      • habeasdorkus

        Yeah, sorry. Laowai get away with tons of shit in China.

        • expat

          and where do you get these reports? most foreigners in china who do questionable things aren’t nearly compared to the shit the locals do, the worse most foreigners do are. 1 not renewing their visa, 2.not signing at the psb, 3. once a week drinking too much , compared to the shite i see esp. in anhui, there are more crap from the locals through bribery alone

        • Xu

          Westerners can’t get away with shit in China, with the way they’re hounded by the cops. The problem is that chinks think they can get away with anything abroad (graffiti, spitting, littering, public urination, etc.) because they do it all the time in their home country. If they treat China like their personal ashtray/trashcan/toilet, then how do you expect they’ll treat other countries?

          • mr.wiener

            “Chinese” please. Not “Chinks”.

    • MadeInPoland

      True! Sad but true!

    • 白色纯棉小裤裤

      Remind me of the British man who was trying to rape a women on the street , caught by Chinese citizens and set free by the police.

      • garbo

        He was set free by the police because it was a fake story and the women was a pro.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          It is recorded on video.

          He was set free because foreigners have more privieges in China than chinese people, and are excempted from certain crimes.

          • Probotector

            If you watch the video, he was confronted by Chinese men, one throws a punch, then it jump cuts to him suddenly appearing knocked out on the street. Why didn’t they film the beatdown? That would have been the best bit (and the most convincing).

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The women in the video is half naked, crying and creaming “Help, Help, I don’t know this man”. So it is convincing enough that it is an attempted rape.

          • Probotector

            Ever heard of the word “staged” or the word “acting”?

          • Mighty

            Or “Edited”, or “Censored”.

          • Mighty

            Funny how you claim others are easily ‘manipulated’. Obviously you’re easily manipulated by a video that only shows certain portion of the incident.

          • Probotector

            …and they call it ‘propaganda’!

          • Mighty

            They call it ‘facts’!

          • Les Battersby

            Exactly. It is in no way the entire video. Chinese always love to claim, but it is true!!!

          • BiggJ

            I wish we could hear the guy and girls side of the story, and not just some shitty video. I’m no detective…but I would assume the guy was doing something he was not suppose to do. It could be staged or fake…but talking like that only makes us sound like chinese people…we don’t want that do we. lol

          • Mighty

            Exactly. Video can be edited to manipulate the viewers. Just as the ‘Wuhan 519 bus driver’ incident. The local news only showed the part where the female driver was beaten by passengers. Claiming the passengers to be savages. Later, unedited footage clearly shows the driver first insulted the passengers.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Yeah video can be fake. So can you please tell me what kind of evidence can make you not to deny that a crime did take place?

          • Probotector

            A vaginal exam of the victim to determine whether penetration was forced or consensual, though it’s obviously too late for that now.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Vaginal exams can be faked, too.

            BTW, this is an attempted rape, which means there’s no penetration occured.

          • Probotector

            A vaginal exam can be doctored, as in the results fiddled, but not faked, unless a different woman is examined. As for the definition of ‘attempted’, that’s open to debate. In any case, let’s assume you are correct, the only evidence is the video. Therefore, in response to your question: “So can you please tell me what kind of evidence can make you not to deny that a crime did take place?”, the answer should be ‘none’.

          • Jimney Cricket

            How about a polygraph – lie detector test- yes we invented one cause we know people lie.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Polygraph is inaccurate and can be cheated, this is why polygraph results can not be used as evidence in many countries.

          • Mighty

            For me even evidence is not enough to make a conclusion. Instead, I prefer to view ‘circumstantial evidence’ for cause and effects. Just because a knife or gun shows a fingerprint as ‘evidence’ doesn’t mean the defendant is guilty. I want to know what led to him having to use his knife or gun. Was it self-defense? Maybe.

            Touching on what you said previously, about how you make conclusion based on facts and not personal experience, the Wuhan 519 bus incidence would be a good example to dissuade you from such thinking. If you were one of the passengers on the bus – and witness the entire episode – and saw the news on TV reporting that the passengers savagely beat the driver for being late, are you still concluding ‘facts’ based on what you saw on TV?

            You are one of the more intelligent persons i’ve encounter here. I hope you will change your way of thinking based on personal experience and not on published/broadcast facts.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            If I see a news report on the incident, then I will try to search for alternate sources and then make my conclusion afterward base on all the evidences available.

            There’s no conclusion that is 100% true, but there’s a conclusion that is most likely to be true based on existing facts.

            If you keep on arguing any thing can be fake, then no conclusion can be drawn at all. Even 911 can be fake and was plotted by the US government.

          • BiggJ

            Watch this video….same thing happened to Homer Simpson. lol

            http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d51_1343322862

          • YungBruce

            irrefutable guys

          • Mighty

            Here comes the US gov’t.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Good catch, is there something else you wanna say?

          • Mighty

            ‘Catch’? Hardly. There was nothing hidden nor anything remotely resembling a hint. Is there anything else you want to say, other than the US gov’t?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            That is what I was asking you.

          • Mighty

            So there isn’t.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Thank you for your answer and have a good day.

          • Mighty

            I didn’t say “No there isn’t”. I was confirming that you have nothing else to say.

          • maja

            the fact that the editing happened in that point!!
            it’s not conclusive but it’s way too strange not to seem suspect. I personally don’t have any problem believing that some dude white or not can commit an assault, but… as it is the previous (made up) explanation on how the woman could have stolen something then cried rape could perfectly stand. and kicking the man out of the country is just a way to close the case without solving ANYTHING.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The editing happened because the recording man participated in the action of beating. How could you possibly hold a phone and record while chasing and beating someone?
            I’m tired of the “explanation”s foreigners here come up with to save their face.

            If you watch the video carefully, the brit man was between the womans two legs. If a female thief took of her pants, you don’t normally go between her legs right?

          • maja

            believe when I say that I do believe it to be possible, maybe even likely, but what people is trying to say in this post is why the evidence is lacking in the context of rule of law, which applies in most of the countries we come from. some people here claim to be lawyers and I have no reason to doubt it, but even from a common person perspective this evidence is lacking at best.

            imagine for a while that man to be chinese, and let’s pretend he had 5 or 6 friends near the location because they just had a drinking night nearby, whatever happened they would most probably swear he was as innocent as innocent can be. at that point you need to prove things, not only in a plausible and convincing way, which is difficult and requires the use of skepticism.

            as for the “we’re all white” argument,
            1) we’re not all white, most probably
            2) even if, so what? we live here, we’re not tourists. should we accept the eventuality of being unfairly accused and condamned? obviously not, so either we try to make “powerful guanxi” or we, at least, suggest what, to our knowledge, is a way to avoid very unfair situations. which one should we go with?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            If you watch the video carefully, you can tell that:

            THIS MAN WAS TRYING TO HAVE SEX IN PUBLIC WITH A WOMAN WHO WAS SCREAMING AND CRYING.

            And you call it “evidence is lacking at best” ?

            On top of the video evidence, there are testimonies from pedestrians and roadside shop owners, all the testimonies pointed to the fact that the man followed and attacked the woman.

            To me these evidences are more than sufficient even to prove guilty in the court.

            It is pathetic that the majority of you here just simply discard the evidences, make laughable and heartless assumptions such as assuming the victim is a whore or a thief.

            On contrast, what kind of evidence is presented in the case where a Chinese boy vandalized an egyptian relic?
            However, only a minority of the Chinese commenters, not even 1 out of 10, tried to say that “The evidence is questionable, It may not be the case that this thing is done by Chinese.”

          • maja

            I repeat that I believe highly possible that man actually assaulted that woman, still do you understand my point? proving someone guilty is not a matter of personal opinion, nor mine, nor yours. if you think I have any simpathy for a drunken guy going around messing up with people you’re so very wrong, but as pointed out above there many possible explanations and without actual proof it’s impossible to say which one is true, even if logics would tell it’s obvious what happened. justice IS a difficult thing, not something that can be improvised when necessity arises.

            concerning the kid, my opnion is that the luxor temple administration will have to deal with the possibility of something similar happening again, and that’s all. obviously if they’ll end up closing parts of the temple they will close it to ANY visitor, if they would try to close it only to chinese visitors I think it would be far more shocking news then someone scribbling his name. mind that I may have a different attitude about this the scribbling, the reason is that it’s not really a crime on the same level as personal assault.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Well, you still insists in that there are many possible explanations?

            May I ask you, which explanation is possible, given all those evidences.

          • maja

            there was one above, consisting in some baseless speculation on a possible scam staged by the woman. the matter is not if this or that made up alternative story is more or less believable, the matter is the testimonies were listened only on place, the video lacks content that could have been considered evidence and there was no investigation of sorts, only an hurried expulsion based on what the police hurriedly gathered on the spot.

            also, I repeat my opinion is that the man was most somehow guilty, but still the method used to handle the incident was not convincing for anyone (I don’t think anyone who thinks him guilty is happy having him just kicked out of china). stil, that’s it, the incident has been closed, next time the investigation should be more thorough, now it’s too late.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            No, the “scam” assumption is not possible, let me tell you why.
            1. There’s no way the woman could gain anything from the “scam”
            2. The woman loses face by doing this kind of thing in public, it is agains common sense that you scam for lose, not for win.
            3. It is also against common sense that if a woman who you don’t know invite you to have sex in public, you will happly do so without a second thought.
            4. It is also against common sense that if you are innocent when the woman started crying and screaming, you still stay between her two naked legs.
            5. If its a scam then the woman must have bribed the store owners and hire serveral other people to testify for her, which again makes no sense.

            Again its not about conviction of the man, its only about do you believe that the man was attempting rape, no legal process is required for you to believe something, and its never to late to believe something.

          • maja

            what I am saying, and I don’t need you to convince me about it, is: if it’s about my own personal opinion, then I believe he was guilty, even if this is only an educated guess based on what I know, but if my word had any weight on how the situation, or any other future similar situation, would have to be dealt with, then I-don’t-know-enough. I wouldn’t want to be a judge asked to pronounce a sentence based on this kind of evidence, because I would have to say, I can’t give him any punishment because the evidence is not enough, even if based on my very personal opinion he’s dirty.
            also, in scarce evidence situations the only important thing becomes the money necessary to go through the trial procedure and the results are AWFUL. I am Italian, why do you think my country has been ruled by a pimp through the last 15 years? because he could use the scarecrow of fake or insufficent evidence and pay his way through the judgement (with a minimum amount of bribes), BUT you should look at China’s history, especially the late ’60’s part of it, to guess what happens when scarce evidence is always enough.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You talk as though you have the power to punish him. However he could be punished or un-punished regardless of your opinion.

            And I don’t think in this case its a scarce evidence situation. There are many sexual assault cases where there’s neither camera nor witness, the only evidence is the testimony of the victim herself, however the suspect was still proven guilty.

            Also for someone who is convicted in the court, it still does not mean that he actually commited the crime, just google death sentence overturned by DNA evidence.

          • maja

            I talk from a personal responsibility point of view. and without some examination the testimony is not enough, right or wrong that’s the context of modern technology. you could argue that a testimony should be enough because most people don’t have access to impartial scientific examination. it’s just the same as buying a cellphone and not being free of making a call, it sounds kind of wrong anyways.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You do know that scientific examination can be wrong right? Otherwise there wouldnt be so many wrongfully convicted cases. Believing something with one scientifically examined evidence does not garanteed a higher chance of being correct than believing something with many more evidences which are not scientifically examined .

          • maja

            scientific examination can definetely be wrong, but if your talking about higher chances, I believe that “taking a deep look and making your opinion” is even more likely to fail. I’m a foreigner in this country so it can make less sense to me then to a native, but the more chinese people I have contacts with the more I realize that, especially the somewhat young aren’t really that knowledgeable about their place, about what is likely and what is not; while the older ones just tend to retreat in their own space, being clueless about most of what goes on outside. mind, chinese people really isn’t stupid at all, but this is not about intellect, we were talking about justice.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I take a deep look outside of my window and I can tell that the grass is green, do I have a higher chance to fail than a judge giving out a death sentense?

          • maja

            if ever you have a much higher chance to be right, and do you remember about those “greening” chemicals tales that were going on some time ago? they were probably “misinterpetations”, but if you had to choose if you want the same grass in your courtyard that you our someone you care for will be using, do you think a deep look from the window will be enough?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Spraying chemicals to make grass green was invented and have been frequently practiced by Americans, I guess Chinese have little involvements with that.

            Anyways, sprayed or not, is irrelevant to my statement that the grass is green. It would be relevant if I said that the grass is green by nature.

          • maja

            as you want. even better “you win.”

          • Les Battersby

            That story was fake and one sided from the get go. Mysterious parts of the video are missing, and we all know how chinese guys like to attack savagely like packs of wolves. He was freed with good reason imho.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            LOL what do you mean by mysterious parts? That woman was clearly being assaulted by the british man, you must be blind if you can’t figure that out.

          • Probotector

            No she’s just laying there screaming with him next to her. Did you actually see him in the act of rape? No, it’s just the ‘aftermath’. It could have been staged, or she could have been having concentual sex with him, then changed her mind and cried rape. Or they could have all been in on it together to trap this guy.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            What could they gain from staging this? For the joy of beating up some drunken brit?

            It amuses me that foreigners on this website always accuse Chinese of finding excuses, however when they see a crime committed by a foreigner with hard evidence like a video, they quickly call it “edited” and “staged”.

          • Probotector

            “What could they gain from staging this? For the joy of beating up some drunken brit?”

            Um, yes actually. China’s a pretty xenophobic place.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            That’s the most lame excuse I have ever seem.

          • Duke

            You know which video you will never see? A video of one foreigner vs. one local. Most locals are cowards and would never attempt a man to man fight. It’s always 1 vs. X amount of local guys. Local men really are pussies.

          • Jimney Cricket

            You just don’t like hearing anything resembling truth. Many friends of mine have been struck with beer bottles (from behind) while drinking quietly in a bar. Yes, Chinese people have to be one of the most gutless, spineless, xenophobic races I have ever encountered.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Do you have any proof? Even a “staged” video of Chinese struck your friend with beer bottles.

          • Probotector

            Since we’re on the subject of proof, do you have any proof of Chinese actually being kind to foreigners? Seriously, I know that it exists, but I don’t always need ‘proof’ and ‘evidence’ to believe that, unlike you.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤
          • nickhz

            this is my first time writing anything on here, and i feel that i must. because you are insane… proof? i was attacked by 7 chinese men while i was walking home by myself. i had never seen them before and had no idea who they were. i wasn’t doing anything wrong i was by myself. you will probably say i deserved it because i was drunk or doing something to them first but you would be wrong…. i had been in China for only 2 months and had never had an argument or fight with anyone. i didnt have a chinese girlfriend and had no contact with these people before this night. so tell me…. why did this happen, if it isn’t racism…

          • wacky

            probably they should just kill you

          • nickhz

            you are an idiot, you guys talk all this shit on here all day long and when someone gives you an acyual event that goes against what you say, you response is this? you need an education, a life, a purpose. good luck

          • wacky

            good luck to you too, better not to die next time

          • nickhz

            so… you have nothing real to say? that’s it for you? your genius reply? you got me good… well done

          • Rick in China

            “wacky” is a troll. Don’t worry about him. He posts bullshit because, clearly, within his limited oppressed perspective, that’s all he is capable of spewing out on the boards.

            Unfortunate situation you experienced, and I wish I could say it’s uncommon – but most people I’ve met here have met “racist” situations where altercations are either present or at least close…fortunately most of the time people are around, so yelling doesn’t escalate to the ‘zerg rush’ of in your case, 7 vs 1.

          • nickhz

            to be honest i dont really care… things happen. but for people to say that it doesnt happen and that we are treated like celebritites all the time and that all of the bad stories are lies? this i do not accept.. thanks guys… until next time

          • wacky

            if you cant even reply every post i gave you, just shut your mouth

          • Rick in China

            I don’t owe you any replies, wacko. Most of the drivel you post isn’t worth responding to, and sometimes it’s elective to ignore the ramblings of a sad little man who obviously wont glean any new wisdom from any reply regardless of how it’s written.

            You’ll get replies when I’m damn well interested in giving you one, take it and like the scraps you’re fed son.

          • wacky

            just say that you are too stupid and incapable of doing so , or to afraid to have a meaningful debate with someone who does not hold your shitty western world view

          • Probotector

            The Western world view is better than the Chinese world view.

          • wacky

            such as??

          • Probotector

            Democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of movement, freedom of affiliation, a free independent press, tolerance of other beliefs and viewpoints, honesty, doing a hard day’s work, integrity, fidelity, monogamy, courage, interest in safety, interest in security, compassion, state welfare, free healthcare, believing that all peoples in the world are equal, unbiased rule of law, putting a stop to corruption, raising children to be respectful, ownership of property, right to privacy & personal dignity, table manners, and sanitation.

          • nickhz

            agreed!!!!!!!

          • wacky

            democracy is the shittiest of all western value used to deceive the mass, while western government and companies always will to cooperate with dictator when it benefit them.
            freedom of speech is another shit to speak something without prove.
            fredom of religion? if religion stays as religion it is fine, when religion turn to politic that is fucked up just like american republican favoring over evolution, korean christian imported from the west are the worst peeing at buddhist statue etc
            freedom of movement?? that is why you have immigrant riot from france to sweden
            freedom of affiliation?? what about with al qaeda??
            free independent press?? there is no independent press the press is owned by corporations and interest group.
            tolerance over…? same as fredom of religio, spech etc
            honesty?? fraud and economy crisis are all from the west
            hard work?? so only westerner work hard??? all the people work hard
            integrity, fidelity?? such as??

            monogamy?? with highest rate of divorce

            courage??? explain??

            interest in safety and security?? for westerner only right?? the banglades factory that collapsed recently was producing for western brand

            compassion?? to whom?? palestine?? why?? iraq?? afganistan??

            welfare and healthcare?? that is crumbling today because it is to expensive, anyway old communist era gives healthcare too

            believe in equality?? equality?. everytime i watch western media, there are immigrants complaining about inequality and racism

            putting stop to corruption?? no lobby is legalized form of corruption

            raising childred to be respectful?? just yesterday al jazeera reports an italian climber calling nepalese courier slave,just be honest most westerner think they are better than most people

            ownership of property?? the exact cause of economic crisis.

            right to privacy and personal dignity? dont understand this, are somebody stalking you in china?? how about the camera all across london?? what about muslim stalked by your government??

            table manners and sanitation are part of development, the more develop you are the more manners you have, not your western view

          • nickhz

            you focus on america and england too much… these are not the only western countries… canada for example is one of the top countries in quality of life… free healthcare.. low crime rates, good education system and few corrupt officials… but you only seem to care about america as the measuring stick. londons cameras eerywhere….. yes this is true and look at the crime rate there… no country is perfect, no government is perfect. but the point is that comared to the quality of life and government in china, it is not even close… i love china and it’s people but dont go kidding yourself… they dont match up. and table manners does say alot about a person, its ablout respect for yourself and the people around you…. maybe that concept is completely lost on you

          • wacky

            i dont have problem with canada for sure, canada does not go to other countries heir and point tfinger on what we have to do.

            just like china does not go to other counties and tell them what to do, china is a developing country and is aware of that, a lot of our shortcomings are due to the fact that most people are not well educated, that is a fact.

          • nickhz

            i agree. but you generalize… “western countries” you should be more specific… and again i ask… have you ever been to any f these countries you seem to know so much about? or are you just talking about what you read?

          • wacky

            no i have not and not interested to at this moment, so are you basically saying that those articles and news are false??
            i have not been to any western countries, it is to expensive and the visa procedure is shit. however i have been to some developing countries in southeast asia and they are not that shitty or dangerous as it seems that to say that china is not as shitty or as dangerous as you think

          • Alice S

            I don’t know if I’m right or not… I’m not saying anything but I think CH does not tell ppl what to do because that’s their personality.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            you sire are an idiot if you think healthcare is free. must be the ganja you are smoking. the ineffective funneling of money and horrible healthcare is what is so broken in canada. the 99% is paying for it and people like you just don’t know it. Make everyone else pay for your medical bills because you can’t get off your lazy sick ass and it’s people like you that votes for free healthcare and probably social sec. given that: if you are canadian or view canada’s situation.

          • wacky

            democracy
            supporting sadam husein

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

            supporting saudi, and hosni mubarak

            western media bias
            china in africa http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/2011/05/chinese-in-africa-economist-gets-some.html

            1. The Economist: “For investment in African farming, China has earmarked $5 billion. A lot of Africans view this anxiously.”
            Wrong: Sigh. This myth is a hard dragon to slay (so to speak). I wrote about the legend of the (non-existent) $5 billion fund for agriculture here in April 2010 after reading Howard French’s Atlantic article that made this surprising and erroneous claim. Yes, China Africa Development Fundplans to raise $5 billion for Chinese equity investment in Africa (they’ve raised only $1 billion so far), but this is going into all sectors: infrastructure, manufacturing, energy, mining, and agriculture.
            The mistake that this fund is devoted to agriculture has become one of the urban legends circulating around the internet, a “rural legend” we could call it.

            privacy vs security

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8219022.stm

            freedom or religion

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

          • wacky

            freedom of movement, immigration, racism and equality
            the other side of sweeden by aljazeera

            http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201305242318-0022781

            freedom of press vs national secret

            julian assange and wikileaks

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/29/julian-assange-human-rights-ecuador

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            check out the yuppies with google glasses. privacy….throw that down the drain with individual rights. whhheee there goes the masses of drones.

          • Mighty

            I don’t know why anyone would want to be so connected with the Google glasses. Well, at least we won’t see too many like we did with d-bags sporting bluetooth earpieces.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            It’s very handy and has cool uses, but it may be for star trekkies for now.. or if you watch the show called Continuumm… that would be cool…but.. aside from easily winking your way to taking pictures of people in public bathrooms…goggglers love the novelty and its techy usefulness that a cellphone can do. Forget about worrying for people who voice record your converse with others.. worry about them classy glassy!

          • Mighty

            Right now it’s priced way out of range for most people and the winners of the application/selection process are mostly celebrities. So it may be just a trending fab. Maybe the next version or so is more affordable.

            *Did you see that guy wearing one while in the shower? That’s the kind of problems these glasses pose.

          • nickhz

            and as far as equality…. i lived in canada for a very long time and experienced none of the racism that i have experienced here, it is an accepting and multicultural country, and equality between men and women is non existant here in china…. the treatment of women is insane. grabbing them by the arm and dragging them wherever you want them to go … and hitting women? if this ever happened in canada you would not get away with it… even if it was your wife… again.. i love china and it’s people thats why im here, but dont go talking poorly about other countries that you have never seen…. have you ever been to theese countries or are you just going by what stories you read?

          • wacky

            regarding the issue of woman. the problem are mostly in rural village and most uneducated poor people in the big city, speaking about the truth, in the big cities i think it is the men who got it bad, no woman wants to marry you if you dont have a house.

            these are 4 series documentaries by aljazeera about some issues (including women right, improvement and what still need to be done)

            http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/05/20135113835681245.html

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Equality is about rights, not race based. As a place with more multiculture there will be more differences. Accepting those differences is a culture of its own.

          • Alice S

            1. I’ve never been to Canada but I hear that people are nice & non-racist there, like New Zealand, where I am living. I believe them.
            2. Aww it’s so cute you ‘love CH’. :) :)

          • Probotector

            So to you China and its ways are completely perfect?

            Let’s just look at China’s world view shall we…

            Well China doesn’t really have one does it? Basically you constantly claim that “China is the best and anyone who disagrees will have Hell to pay”. Tell me, if China is so great, why can’t you guys invent anything original, or come up with original ideas these days? Every modern commodity, modern idea or piece of modern technology you have is either made from the West, copied from the West or stolen from the West, or from Japan.

            In response to your reply, you are clearly a hard-line Communist, so let’s address that viewpoint. The fact is, Communism teaches you that you are all the same, and therefore have no unique potential to develop yourself personally or to come up with new and original ideas or creativity. It also teaches you to never question anything you are taught. This is clearly manifested in the vacuous society that exists in China, where people scurry about doing only mundane things in their day-today lives, all according to their ‘programming’ and are incapable of reacting to anything in a normal fashion. This is why you gawk at foreigners because your brains haven’t been trained to understand the concept of anything that is unusual. You always coo ‘hello’ at us because you were taught that English is the only language of the foreigner, and that’s the only reaction your simple minds can offer you.

            Everything a Chinese person does is the result of having been told to do it by someone else at some time in the past, and never questioning it, even if it is unnecessary or bizarre. Is this really a better world view than the stuff I mentioned?

          • wacky

            i never say china is perfect i say china is a developing country. and no china should not have any world view even developed asian country like japan or singapore or korea dont have it, the only society who have it is yours and islamic world.

            no need to invent something, at the end the only technology worth investing and developing is military one, your western companies have been operating and stealing natural resources from developing countries for too long, while your government back the dictator who are willing to give you the benefit. now that you are complaining about china stealing your secrets, well i said keep stealing not just china the whole developing world should start steal from you, the same way you steal from us.

            sorry to tell you i am not communist in fact i dont believe in any ideology including your democracy and human rights. anyway communist can be good to, during communist era healthcare in china covered 70-80% of rural population

            http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/06/11/chinas-healthcare-system-thrives-despite-slowing-economy

            Public health, ironically, constituted one of the few unqualified
            successes of Maoism. Mao’s “barefoot doctors”—minimally trained medical
            workers with secondary school educations—offered vaccinations, the
            occasional antibiotic, and lessons on how to keep microorganisms out of
            the drinking water to hundreds of millions living at the margins of
            subsistence. The payoff: Chinese life expectancy at birth increased by a
            quarter-century between the revolution and 1980—the most rapid improvement ever documented.
            But the system was largely abandoned after Deng Xiaoping (allegedly)
            declared that “to get rich is glorious.” Urban healthcare, organized
            around politically protected state-owned enterprises, largely remained
            intact in the market reforms of the early 1980s. However, most of the
            hundreds of thousands of government-run clinics in rural villages
            were shuttered or privatized.

            do you personally know me??? you are replying like you know who i am, most of the foreigner do talk in english or can speak english.

          • Probotector

            So what do you believe in? Just a radical western hater then? Have you ever been to a western country, or any other country for that matter?

          • wacky

            what do i believe in??

            non interference, just let other people do what they want to do, just let other people lead the political process in their country.

          • Alice S

            LOL I liked your comment not because it was nice, which it obviously was, but because it was well-written.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            ^++

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            I agree there are various means of living in the west that is far better but your list of freedom this and that proves you got the woolies pulled over your eyes. The difference may be as much as degrees. Take freedom of speech and privacy for example, check out the kid that posted rap lyrics on facebook….he was jailed; and check out the CISPA and many other bills that was brought about. wacky may be…but he’s got some hitting points.

          • Probotector

            Nowadays the liberals and socialists are fucking it up. However, the core values have existed for generations, and it’s those I was referring to.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Those core values are what started the united states.. but as people get more fearful, they’d rather get rid of what scares them than stand up for those values.. that’s why you see laws like gun control for one, and they are willingly giving up their right to bear arms. So yes it existed a long time ago.. and that’s what people “think” they have but really they don’t actually have that as they are gradually giving it up.

          • Probotector

            …and that’s a damn shame.

          • Alice S

            Well it depends on which makes ppl happy. Good news makes ppl happy. LOL I’m not saying anything

          • mr.wiener

            Maybe he is drawing the wrong conclusions from this, but there is no reason to be a douche…….unless your name rhymes with “grin”:)

          • mr.wiener

            Wrong time , wrong place wrong color. Some dipshites need very little excuse, sorry to hear it happened to you , hope you weren’t badly hurt.

          • nickhz

            a few stitches… nothing major… but it could have been worse. there is no need to go into the details but for someone else it could have been much worse. thanks though

          • Probotector

            Sorry that happened to you; everything okay?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            One of my friend is studying in a Canadian university, one day he tell me that his cellphone was robbed by two white guys when he was walking in downtown. Should I call it racism?

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            But..but…where’s the proof?
            It was staged!

            Haha how was my impersonation of 白色纯棉小裤裤’s bleating?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Sure I have no proof, so I’m not going to draw any conclusions from it. If you want to make some valid point then you must have proof.

          • moody

            “lame excuse” ?
            please elaborate
            do you think that statement is not true ?

          • xxx

            lel Have you ever been to China before? m8

            Chinese are xenophobic, definitely a joke

            the Chinese people are freaking xenocentric

          • wacky

            xenophobic for attacking a rapist??

          • Probotector

            The whole point is, we don’t know he’s really a rapist, based on the video. How about thinking before you type?

          • wacky

            base on that video i can say he is more a rapist than not, how about not speculating

          • Probotector

            Why is he more of a rapist than not? Do you actually see him raping her, or is it just circumstantial?

          • wacky

            she is screaming while he is on her top if i was there would i think that he is trying to rape her?? yes
            next, somebody approaches him then he is lying on the street, do i think that he is being beaten because he attempted to rape her? yes

            where in that video that show no indication that he is not trying to rape her?? according to you??

          • Probotector

            see my other reply to you

          • BiggJ

            By what the video shows I would say he was trying to sexually assault the woman. But did the woman ever admit he was raping her or did she want to press charges?? And was he ever charge with anything? I’m just curious about what happened to the guy.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            He was deported for attempting sexual assault.

          • Anon992

            The point isn’t the Brit is a great guy who wasn’t doing anything wrong.

            The point is that there is a lot that is not shown and not known. He was NOT actually raping her in this video but apparently it’s fine to just go ahead and say that he was without having any idea of the context.

            The other point is that I do not really think it relevant that this guy is British or that they guy who wrote on the Egyptian relic was Chinese. Neither actions are indicative of a wider trend (yes, the Chinese are bad travelers but generally I don’t think there are many here who think it is okay to write their name on ancient stuff.) They are both just bad eggs. That is all they represent.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The point is, when a Chinese traveler did something bad, most Chinese commenters blame the traveler. However, when a foreign traveler did something bad, most foreign commenters on this website find execuses to defend that traveler.

          • Anon992

            That’s a very tenuous comparison. They are different.

            For the Brit video, the circumstances are much more unclear and a lot more interpretation and conjecture is required. For the Chinese graffiti, well, the writing is on the wall.

            I don’t think if the situation was reversed and there was a message on the relic saying ‘Ray from Doncaster, UK waz ere’ there would be so many people questioning it.

          • Anon992

            Plus, that cut in the middle of the video is really suspect.

            Clearly the editor has deleted the bit where the Chinese lose face or the preferred narrative is contradicted.

          • Indifference

            You speak English fluently. Are you currently living in a western country and experiencing racism yourself? Why such animosity towards foreigners in general? You seem intelligent, I hope that you can learn to be a little more open minded and not lump people together by race or nationality.

          • Les Battersby

            The latter part of your post is the most likely explaination.

          • mr.wiener

            Sometimes a drunken sexual assault is just drunken sexual assault you know. No shame in admiting dickheads come from every country unless you are one yourself.

          • Probotector

            I’m not trying to exonerate him just because he comes from my country. I’m simply offering alternative explanations as to why this video is unconvincing as a true story. How does that make me a dickhead exactly?

          • Jin Ch’in

            Its ok old white guys being coming to Asia raping women and children since Marco polo

          • Shanglow

            So right master jin, how dare the these hoards of white old men come to china and think they can do what only rich old chinese men & government officials have exclusive rights to !

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-05/10/content_16488929.htm
            Enjoy that survey of the tadadadaa CHINA DAILY!
            “half of male respondents confessed they have physically or sexually abused women,including their wives or girlfriends.”

            FYI, i seen videos, and honest to god i couldn’t believe believe my eyes, of Chinese highschools students gang raping girls.

          • mr.wiener

            You’re not a dickhead, the brit rapist guy is. Sorry if you thought I was calling you one. I think many of the alternative explanations on offer here [not just yours] are a wee bit too defensive for my liking.

          • wacky

            really, he could have been this or that?? that is your own stupid opinion, he could be a serial rapist in britain running away from the police.

          • Probotector

            Really? Could you just be trolling me?!

          • wacky

            could you just be trolling here?? you con say he could be this and she could be that, but base on that video he is more of a rapist than not.
            and you have no other evidence to prove your could be this and that hypothesis

          • Probotector

            How am I trolling? Perhaps he was a rapist; I’m not ruling that out, and I would condemn it if he was. However the video does not show that he was raping her at all, and you have no evidence of rape either. My opinion is not stupid just because you don’t agree with it. It could have been staged, or it might not have been. I am offering alternative explanations as to what could have happened, based on the video evidence available. Either of us could be wrong, because there’s no way to tell just from the video.

          • wacky

            there is no evidence he is not raping here the video shown he is trying to rape her, if i was there in that situation i would think that he is trying to rape her. this video shows that the probability of he is trying to rape her is bigger
            it could have been staged by whom?? on the street??

          • Probotector

            I’ve already addressed these questions in my previous comments. The thing looks staged because the footage is missing two vital elements: the rape and the beating. All ‘evidence’ of rape is entirely circumstantial. Many commenters on this thread agree with me, if you hadn’t noticed. I’m not going to argue this with you anymore.

          • wacky

            if a girl scream while having a guy on her top on the street, there is no way i am not going to think that he is not trying to rape her, you can say that the evidence is circumstantial but the probability of him trying to rape her is bigger
            your argument about this being staged is a speculation, the same way i can say that he is probably a serial rapist in london who was caught in action in beijing.
            then tell me what he is doing there according to you if not trying to rape her??

          • Les Battersby

            The video editing is either shoddy, or parts that would aid in the man’s defence are being omitted. Watch the video, it is in no way complete, and would not stand up in any court as evidence in a country with rule of law.

          • Daniel

            The thing is no court is ever rule of law. Its at its best mixed between rule of law and rule of men. /law student

          • Guest
          • Probotector

            Why because the truth hurts? Chinese do attack in packs and gang up.

          • Les Battersby

            I’ve seen that on a chinese streaming site too, it was linked off that xenophobic fan dui nan lao wai site. The old prick calling him foreign trash and we chinese are this and that made my eyes roll..a lot!!

          • Probotector

            What’s the address of that website?

          • Les Battersby

            http://blog.sina.com.cn/fanduinanlaowai

            I think that article, can’t direct link to it for some reason, of the video above is on the later pages, try working from back to front, you will find it, along with the xenophobic responses. If in google chrome, it should automatically translate the site into english.

            Cheers,
            LB

          • Les Battersby

            http://bit.ly/19g3mnf

            Here is the link to the video page on the fanduinanlaowai blog site.

          • Les Battersby

            http://bit.ly/112SJxv

            This one is the video itself off sina (fullscreen streaming!) , hope these help

          • Probotector

            “Foreigners have more privileges in China than Chinese people”

            Like the privilege to be mocked, ridiculed and excluded everywhere they go? You’re just delusional.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The privileges are offered by the government, not by the people.

            And can you provide me with an example where a good mannered foreigner who did not do anything wrong is “mocked,ridiculed and excluded” ?

          • Probotector

            “And can you provide me with an example where a good mannered foreigner who did not do anything wrong is “mocked,ridiculed and excluded”

            Surely every single foreigner that ever entered China has experienced some form of xenophobic or racial ridicule at the hands of at least some Chinese people at some time. Any one of the expats commenting on this forum can confirm that.

            Foreigners do not get preferential treatment in China, they are largely hated. Get you information straight.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            It seems that you can’t distinguish between the government and the people.

            THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT offers foreigners privileges.

            For example, foreigners committed crimes are often not trialed and punished but simply deported.

            For example, the police won’t give a fuck if a Chinese reports lost items, but if a foreigner lost something the police would rush to find it for him.

            http://www.chinawhisper.com/ningbo-police-turn-five-tons-of-garbage-upside-down-to-retrieve-passport-for-russian-men

          • Probotector

            I wasn’t referring to privileges being offered by the govt, I was contesting your claim that innocent foreigners in China are never ridiculed. Usually I make it clear which part of a person’s post I am referring to when I retort, by initially quoting the post they made. Re-read what I said and get back to me.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Well, if it happens that often then there must be evidence of Chinese ridiculing innocent foreigners other than some claims on the internet.
            Can you provide me with some examples? (By examples i mean evidence, no just some claims)

          • Probotector

            Um I think you’ve let this idea of ‘evidence’ in the wake of this argument about the video go to your head. I never said it happens often, I said it happens to all foreigners here at least sometimes. Therefore, the (video) evidence is scant at best. I personally don’t feel the need to whip out my phone or video camera every time a Chinese moron shouts ‘老外’, ‘打打外国人’ or some random English at me. Just take my word for it, and the word of other expats; abuse of foreigners is omnipresent here, whether the foreigner is deserving or not.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Well, if foreigners here feel trusting a video is silly then why should I ever trust their words which are far less credible than a video?

            Please at least provide a “Staged” video if you want to claim anything.

          • Probotector

            It’s not about the trustworthiness of videos as evidence, it’s the idea that you don’t see simple testimony as valid because it’s not unequivocal proof. Claims and assertions can be convincing if such testimony fits the known facts. We know that Chinese have issues with xenophobia and mistrust towards foreigners, therefore, it is likely that foreigners, even though they’ve not provoked any abuse or outrage, sometimes suffer abuse nonetheless at the hands of Chinese people.

            Regarding the alleged rape video, the reason we’re all contesting its validity is because it is missing vital information about the rape itself, and what exactly happened to the alleged assailant, and these are the most important aspects when discerning proof.

          • Mighty

            Here’s the full video footage:
            Chinese prostitute soliciting foreign customers on the street encounters a British subject. Seeing that he was inebriated she takes advantage of him and robs him of his wallet while pretending to be amorous with him physically. The victim, upon realizing what was going on tries to retrieve his wallet. Next is what was shown on the video. Girl cries “Rape. I don’t know this man”.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Yeah, the girl,the police, the pedestrians and the roadside store owners were all lying, you are so smart.

          • Mighty

            You are even smarter to discredit my version of the video. Really smart.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Why do you think I was discrediting your explanation?
            I just said that those people were lying, and you are turly smart to figure that out.

          • Mighty

            Sarcasm aside. The police, pedestrians, store owners, and anyone who wasn’t the girl only heard the screams and truly believed she was being raped. So, no, they were not lying.

            If you’re not discrediting my explanation then you agree with it.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Yeah, you are so smart to make the assumption that they only heard the screams and did not see anything else before that, and they did not listen to the expaination of the british man.
            I truly agree with your super intelligent opinion.

          • Mighty

            Oh I based my conclusion on that video. Remember, what I see is ‘facts’. I’m merely following your super intelligent way of thinking.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            If just looking at the video, any normal person would conclude that the fact is the foreign man was attempting to rape, or at least to sexually assault, the woman.
            you come up with a different conclusion and that shows your superior IQ which im jealous of.

          • Mighty

            For someone who constantly speaks of intelligence it’s amusing to hear you say any normal person would ‘conclude’ facts from the edited video. Fact is, that video is inconclusive. You can only be jealous of yourself for truly being the smartest.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You are so smart to figure out that the video is not conclusive(after you made many conclusions based upon that video).

            Videos can be edited (and the video is surely edited and not because the recorder himself is too busy fighting the brit man to continue recording with his cellphone), applying the same logic, testimonies and other evidences can be edited too. wow all of a sudden you come up with a super smart conclusion that nothing can be concluded from anything.

          • Mighty

            You just agreed to what I’ve said all along, that videos can be edited to manipulate a viewer. If this is too difficult for you to understand allow me to assist you.

            1) I gave my version to demonstrate how one of many ways the video can be interpreted based on just what was shown.

            1a) But your sarcastic comment “Yeah, the girl,the police, the pedestrians and the roadside store owners were all lying, you are so smart.” implies that I was wrong not taking into accounts of the witnesses. *That’s an attempt to discredit my version.

            2) I laughed at you for believing that I put forth a serious scenario.

            2a) You deny you were discrediting me. LOL And even tried a futile attempt to say the witnesses were lying.

            3) You… Oh… Just go back and re read the entire exchange of retorts. I can’t spend too much time in educating you.

            You are NOT so smart after all. But I’m not surprised.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            So what is your point?

            This video can be edited. So can everthing else you see/hear.

            If you don’t trust the video, then you shouldn’t trust the picture of the scrached relic either.

            Something can be edited does not mean that we can not draw conclusion from it. This is my point.

          • Mighty

            “So what is your point?”: Best used when one has exhausted all plausible rationale to continue in a debate.

            Ok, recap:
            1) You said the video is evidence of the foreigner raping a Chinese woman.

            2) Others (myself included) tell you that particular video seems suspect as it does not show everything that happened.

            3) You were adamant that the video shows the rape.

            4) I filled in the possible scenario in the missing portion of the video.

            5) You argued “If just looking at the video, any normal person would conclude that the fact is the foreign man was attempting to rape, or at least to sexually assault, the woman.”

            6) I said “For someone who constantly speaks of intelligence it’s amusing to hear you say any normal person would ‘conclude’ facts from the edited video. Fact is, that video is inconclusive.”

            7) Now you say, “Videos can be edited (and the video is surely edited and not because the recorder himself is too busy fighting the brit man to continue recording with his cellphone), applying the same logic, testimonies and other evidences can be edited too. wow all of a sudden you come up with a super smart conclusion that nothing can be concluded from anything.”

            Now I say “WTF!!?? You went around in circle but finally agreed the video is edited and inconclusive”.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Claims from some random people on the internet can’t even be considered testimonies.

            And “Chinese have issues with xenophobia and mistrust ” is just your claim which still needs to be proved.

            And that video is complemented by the testimonies of the victim and several bypassers.

          • jixiang

            As a foreigner in China, I think it’s true that in some situations foreigners receive privileged treatment. However, it is privileged treatment which they do not ask for, and certainly never pressure anyone to receive. It is the government’s choice to hand it out.
            The point is that as a foreigner you are either privileged or discriminated in China, but you are never treated as just another human being.

          • maja

            that’s pretty much it. in china you either are privileged or discriminated against. respectul behaviour amongst peers is out of question. the thing is, that’s so much true for chinese people as well, so mostly they don’t really understand the westerners point of view on common socialization. not to say that the system going on here is anything like “normal”…

          • Probotector

            Why can’t claims form people on the internet be considered testimony? A testimony is a person’s account of what they think are the facts. By the very nature of what testimony is, it can’t considered proof in of itself, so it doesn’t matter who exactly said it. What your saying is that if I can’t unequivocally prove everything I say, then it’s not true. This is as ridiculous was the Chinese mentality that if you don’t understand something, it’s not important.

          • Maddy

            Are you listening to yourself? Have you ever been to China? I bet you are Chinese or one of those stupid foreigners who has yet to go to China and loves everything about the Middle Kingdom and thinks when they get here it’ll be all drinking tea and playing chess with the old people in the street and doing taichi in the morning. Get a grip, guy.

            Ask any of my friends or classmates here. Every day when we walk down the street, Chinese people unabashedly stare, talking loudly in Chinese about us as if we don’t understand “Look at the foreigner, wow, what are they doing here?” etc etc. Or shout loudly “HALLO!!! hahahaha”

            I VOLUNTARILY teach a GROWN MAN English and some of the shit he says makes me want to give up on China forever.

            Anyway I feel like arguing with you, or anyone on the internet, is futile but I had to have my say.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I grew up and live in China. I think this is quite apparent because you can judge from my nickname. I have met many foreigners in my life however I don’t feel what you’ve mentioned there are signs of xenophobia. Its like when you see a hot girl in bikini on the beach, you glare at her and try to seek her attention. Foreigners are rare in China, just like bikini hot girls on the beach, so this is part of human nature that they get more attentions. It has nothing to do with “hate”, “racist” or “xenophobia”.

          • Mirmidon13

            Oh, I understand that you are Chinese and that you are proud of your country, but contesting that there is no racism Xenophobia, let alone Racism in China is quite ridiculous. Either 1) You dare not to admit it or 2) you do not see it, either way you are wrong.

            I mean, have you forgotten about 娄婧 already? Because if that does not scream Racism, then I do not know what does.

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/stories/shanghai-black-girl-lou-jing-racist-chinese-netizens.html
            Is int racism

            And sure, one article is not enough to mark a tendency, but the truth is there are multiple testimonies of foreigners experiencing discrimination that do not make the News simply because they are not worth reporting or they do not fit inside the editorial line.

            People here do not want to read about racism for or against foreigners. To put it plainly those stories do not serve anyone’s interest and they certainly do not sell news papers.

            Either way, we can not not know for certain how much or how often does this happen, but saying that it does not happen is just as absurd as saying that it happens constantly.

            Like or not, there is Racism and Xenophobia in China, just like in any other country in the world…

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            You have much to learn, grasshopper.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            It’s quite annoying when someone replies me but has nothing meaningful to say.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I bet it is. That’s kind of how I feel about your reply.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            你欺负我们的中国!? :p

          • Alice S

            I heard a story about this European guy in HK. Ppl called him Guilao. So I guess that meant Chi do it too.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            You are the evidence sir!

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            And take a look a the number of Chinese movies making “jokes” depicting foreigners (white people) in stupid situations or being ridiculed. This is all to reassure the common Chinese man that he himself is not completely pathetic. But don’t misunderstand there has been a lot of that shit in the West as well and still is some, however i never seen much of it as i am not a pathetic creature in need of a self-confidence boost

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            This makes me think about something else…Low confidence Chinese guys love jokes humiliating white people as some of them seem to actually feel that whites is the dominant race and that they are lower on the ladder and that finally down there are the blacks.
            So imagine someone with this state of mind. What happens when a white guys dates a Chinese girl? “ah well, it’s not cool but it’s acceptable” What happens when a black guy dates a Chinese girls “What? your with that guy? But i’m superior to a black guy!!”. A Chinese girl dating a black guy told me that story.

          • BiggJ

            I agree with you. i get special treatment all the time china. No matter where I go. I don’t know too many examples of governemt special treatment…..but by just chinese people themselves. I get better service at banks, restaurants, local stores…way better then most chinese get. I see it with my own eyes. I can write all day and give you examples but one sticks out in my mind…

            When I was in china my apartments hot water pipes busted or something and no one in the building had hot water. The hot water never came from one of them little heater things that is in some people bathrooms. I just need to turn the tap and I have hot water. So a week went by with no hot water…it was shitty and i never complained..I just thought they would fix it soon.Then the landlord came to collect rent and I mentioned to her about the water and asked when it would be back on. She asked me if I would be home today and I said sure Ill be home all day. So she calls this guy and about 1 hour later he comes with a hot water heater specifically for my apartment. So he hooked it up and I thought nothing of it. Anyhow my wife noticed signs still on the main door about our apartment saying no hot water for 2 months until they can find the leak and fix it. We thought she must have put heaters in all apartments…turns out she just put one in ours while everyone else had to wait. SO why do I get special treatment and everyone else dont? It’s not like I got pissed or even complained…I just mentioned to her.

            I even got a ride home for a cop once. Not because I was in trouble or anything. Just after the bar I started talking to these 2 cops and next thing you know he offered to give me a ride home. lol At first I thought they were trying to lure me into a rape or something but no…they just talked to me in the english the best they could and had a few laugh and even got them to speed with the light on. lol

            I think the complaint that most foreigners say is the constant staring, pointing and being treated like they come from another planet. I don’t like that…but I understand it. Some people thrive on that….I hate it…but what can you do? Just go with it…smile at them and wave and they will always do the same back. 99% of time I don’t think they mean anything bad by it…it’s just their way.

          • Chris McKenna

            I’d I’ve had a fair amount of special treatment in China. Most of it’s been from normal people who just want to be nice to a guest in their country. I’ve also seen some government things where people were allowed to pass driving tests and what not, just because they where foreign (I don’t drive).

            That said. I’ve also experienced the other side of things. It’s much more subtle for sure, but that lingering idea that you are not one of us and never will be does seem to always be there. In many ways the positive stuff people do is a part of that. The one I find the most annoying is the, ‘you’re not Chinese so you wont understand’ argument. When you’ve spent more of your adult life living in a country than say a uni student and have seen more of the country than they haven’t. It seems a bit odd that they can say these things to you.

          • expat

            the driving test? is a law since most foreigners who can drive legally in their home they do not want to do the added paper work and trust the foreign driving tests better their own!. this is not special treatment. IT IS MERELY A TRANSLATION PROCESS!.

          • Chris McKenna

            You might want to check the law on that. International licenses are not accepted and driving in China is very different from other places.

          • Calles

            I think it also depends, I don’t like making these kind of distinctions, but in here they just happen very often, if you are caucasian, people will treat you way better than black people. Chinese people are very racist, they know it, but they never accept it (words from many Chinese, not mine). A lot of Chinese are always more glad to be surrounded by blond foreigners than being surrounded by maybe European guys that look like Asian. In here the appearance matters a lot.

            As a foreigner in here I’ve had both preferential and racist experiences, the later ones hurt a lot. However, I’m always trying to understand their culture.

            There are always two sides of the story; a lot foreigners in here take advantage of some of the privileges they have, they make fun of Chinese people in front of their faces, and some of them treat Chinese like second class citizens, I hate that.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            yeah man! :D

          • expat

            thats not special treatment , that is professional ethics on the land lords part, plus i am damn sure you were charged much higher than the locals! you noob

          • BiggJ

            How did I pay more then a local? I paid the price they were asking for on the website. Funny thing the landlord husband tried to raise the rent. I always get a chinese to do all the calling and appointment to look at the place. When I walked in and looked around they wanted to charge me 500rmb more. But the company they advertised with to would not let them. They said they cant advertise on the site and then charge a different price, It’s not good for their business. His wife was the one who put the water heater in for me. While no one else in the apartment got one.

          • Nick in Beijing

            Really? So why haven’t I had my Giant bicycle returned to me that was stolen nearly 3 years ago?

            When I reported it, the officer on duty at the local station where it was stolen literally just went back to laying his head on his desk and looking at his mobile phone after saying “mei ban fa”.

            Retard.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I almost got my scooter stolen a few months ago. The thief try to force the keyhole and damaged it so bad that i couldn’t start my scooter anymore and i was miles away from any open repair shop that evening. A Chinese guy advised me to call the police for help, i didn’t know why but just assumed that they would give me a lift or something as the front wheel was jammed. Its quite interesting to note that the cops only showed up because that Chinese friend mentioned that a foreigner was involved, otherwise they wouldn’t have come (I totally believe that). So we called, explained that i need some help to move my scooter, then after waiting 30 minutes for the cops to show up…they look at me and say: ” you have to take it to a repair shop” thanks! How i love my preferential treatment!

          • Jin Ch’in

            if you were driving a luxury car they probably taken more interest. maybe next time don’t try to look like a cheap ass on a scooter.

          • http://www.facebook.com/gordon.gogodancer Gordon Gogodancer

            In China cheap asses ride scooters….idiots ride cars and are stuck in the traffic jams along with all the other idiots

          • Jin Ch’in

            why don’t you just get another one..bikes are so cheap

          • Nick in Beijing

            You must be as stupid as you seem. I did get another one. That was 3 years ago. Buying another one didn’t change the fact that there was no “special treatment” just because I am white.

          • Jin Ch’in

            why would they give you special treatment for a bike? maybe next time try work harder and buy a luxury car then you might get some respect.

          • moody

            i think i’ll call it guys

            “RETARD ALERT”

            it s not called respect, it’s called hypocrisy

          • Nick in Beijing

            Why would I want to spend three times the price for a car in China? To have the privilege of sitting in traffic, over paying for insurance, playing that silly license plate lottery, going through the various degrees of bribery necessary to crawl through the bureaucracy of getting the car plated once i “earned” the right to get the plate?

            I know you are stupid, so I am not going to try to reason with you, just wanted to put it out there that people who buy luxury cars are stupid.

            As an example:

            One thing i like is riding between all these cars stuck in gridlock on my scooter. Sometimes they get indignant when I won’t move out of their way to let them pass when they roar up behind me, flash their bright lights and lay on their horns so they can continue doing 120kph in a 40 zone. One of my joys is to keep at the posted speed limit to block these cars on the road, and keep in front of them by driving next to a car that is doing the limit as well to ensure they can’t pass me. It drives these idiots crazy.

            It was just two weeks ago that one of these stupid people managed to get around me, and tried to clip my scooter when he cut me off. One thing that stupid people in China who drive big luxury cars don’t think about, is that a 125cc Peugeot Vivacity with it’s narrow and light frame, can do an easy 100kph stably, and can squeeze between cars in traffic and they cannot escape easily if chase is given.

            I chased him down and confronted him. He thought he was tough and tried to get physical, but I won’t risk a fist-fight in this country with it’s backwards law system, so I pepper sprayed him then made him apologize after he was done crying and rolling around on the ground and was on my way.

            His luxury car and fat wallet sure didn’t win him any privileges that day. Would have been easier for him had he just gone the posted speed limit. Too bad he was too stupid to consider that. Sound like someone I know.

          • Jin Ch’in

            My dad arranged my cars when i come back to Shanghai..sorry i have no idea these tedious tasks that you common people have to do.

          • Nick in Beijing

            It would be shameful if that were true. What kind of man-child needs daddy to do things for them. It is obvious that you are trolling though. Oh well.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Maybe not him personally but someone in his office did..all my friends who come back to china has their living and car looked after. Why should i have to waste time doing these things when we have people to look after them for us?

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            Why should you cook when someone can do it for you?
            why should you worry about your stuff when someone can do it for you?

            Why should you treat women like they deserve when a laowai can do it for you?

            Did your parents ever stopped changing your clothes?

          • Jimney Cricket

            They obviously haven’t stopped wiping his arse

          • Jimney Cricket

            Hey Jin. Do you by chance park on footpaths illegally. Maybe I have spat on your luxury car a few times. I do that to luxury cars that park like that as a service to all 。。。Wei Ren Min Fu Wu

          • Jimney Cricket

            “… all my friends who come back to china has their living and car looked after…”

            have their living and car looked after…. obviously your English skills haven’t been looked after… douche

          • Jimney Cricket

            Jin Ch’in – another douche whose family should have been executed during the rise of the CPC in China. Mao, why did you leave so many douchebags alive and yet have so many of the smart ones killed?

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            That’s the thing.. his daddy was probably the biggest suck-up during cultural revolution. that’s how they got their guanxi in the first place !

          • moody

            I don’t know why you bother

            arguing with the likes of him is like playing Chess with a pigeon
            no matter how good you are, the Pigeon will knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and claim victory (don t remember where i read that, but simply comes to mind when i read this idiots posts

          • Jimney Cricket

            Sounds like you know a lot about working hard

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤
          • Mirmidon13

            So what? One news about a Japanese getting his bike back and you assume this happens often, that some how all foreigners get their bikes back? The truth is that one news is not enough to mark a tendency…

            Say what you say, one article does not constitute prof of anything…

          • Probotector

            pwned!

          • Calles

            That is just partially true, why? because it’s not just only the government, many Chinese treat foreigners like they were famous stars or something, so many foreigners have realized that and behave like jerks, because no one will make a fuss about it and no Chinese is going to intervene with their actions, but that is changing, nowadays Chinese are becoming more aware of these actions, and in some cases take the “justice” in their hands, specially in cities with a high population of foreigners.

            I like China and I know not all Chinese are the same 林子大了什么鸟都有。You know? Many Chinese keep thinking that all caucasian foreigners MUST be good people, once I met a woman that thought, in China it is very likely to find bad people, but in America all people are good, or at least most of them. And the thing is that many Chinese people think like that.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            i understand what you’re saying but i’m afraid i also heard quite a few other opinions.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            I also behaved like a dipshit a few times back in China. But most of the time we were just drunk walking our way back home or making fun of some taxi driver, made him think we were fa lun gong or al qaeda. Just abusing their naivety. But there are far more cases of Chinese vandalizing Cultural or natural relics abroad than foreigners in China getting “too drunk for communism”.

            Most Chinese here in my country behave quite well, but I must say it’s because they come from small villages in the middle of fucking nowhere fujian or guanxi or taiwan. Not the drive luxury car show off waste my food at 5 star restaurant type which do what the guy in Egypt did. They even do it in their own homes, have you been to Tian tan, forbidden city? great wall? (badaling mostly) it’s all scratched in Chinese, left to right and top to bottom. And they cry because some frenchy scratched the gold out of the Shi zi with a metal sponge in the “heavenly gates” a hundred years ago back when nobody in China gave a single fuck about Cultural patrimony, and that considering it was still painted in gold.

            Chinese are getting more aware of foreigners doing wrong things in China because they need to cover up all the shit and spit in HK shopping malls.

            China won’t change until they develop a sense of self-criticism. And I’ve been pushing this since the first day I came to this website in 2009.

          • Calles

            I agree, they don’t have that sense of self-criticism, Asian in general tend to be very pride people, and with Chinese I’ve seen that they can “criticize” China, they can complain, but outsiders are not allowed, they think they “don’t understand”, and also, one thing that influences this kind of behavior, is that they like to have their way, why? because their civilization is ancient, how can that be wrong, and well, they don’t care at all about what outsiders say.

            It’s very contradictory, because between them, they care a lot about appearances and behavior, I mean average people, not fuerdais. I’m still struggling to understand Chinese people, even when I ask them why they do some things, many of them say, “sometimes I also don’t understand Chinese”. I just feel it’s a little bit unfair to generalize some behavior, even in our countries people from different states have differences.

          • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

            it’s because whether we live in the east or the west, both sides are filled with double standards. It’s just hard to understand in China, even for Chinese… and I think it’s because they are taught all these things so one day they find out they are fucking it up real bad. same in the west.

          • Jimney Cricket

            I suppose. They believe you can get gonorrhea from the swimming pool too. So anything is possible in China.

          • expat

            WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR BS/? IF WE ARE DEPORTED FOR A CRIME IN CHINA, many of us would be tried through our home country!,. and possibly an fbi investigations which punishment becomes international crime

          • albert_walker

            compared to what? xenophobia is rampant in japan and parts of europe. in my experience, china is relatively more accommodating to foreigners. hell, it’s one of the only nations i know of where a foreigner can become culturally chinese by accepting the tenets of tianxia

          • Probotector

            What you said about Japan and Europe, although true, is irrelevant. As for China, they’d never accept a laowai as one of their own.

          • BiggJ

            Why would anyone want to become chinese?

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            that’s not nice

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            “That’s not rice.”

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            correct!

          • Areyoukiddingme

            Right on! Foreigners are treated horribly in China

          • Mighty

            You deserve special treatment… like a kid with special needs.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Irony? Foreigners (whites at least) are treated quite well in general…but it’s the rampant ignorance and prejudice and clichés and all these conversation with low confidences dicks who feel so insignificant that they are just so receptive of the idea of China vs The World. To be honest i used to love China when i started studying Chinese 8 or 9 years ago (geez), now i still love it but in a less naive fanatic way. But to be honest, after my 1st year at school and meeting nerdy Chinese students complaining about the oh oh oh so harsh France, after hearing these hypocrites, pathetics, sexless nerds pissing and shitting on France all day long because of themselves being pathetic ( the Erasmus in general seem to have a great time in my city at least) I fucking starting falling in their game of “us Vs them” whereas before i never even considering relation with foreigners in that manner…but these little cunts really pushed me into hating China for the whole second year of studying Chinese. I was actually starting to wonder if it was a good idea to do my exchange year in China. Finally i did and thankfully i had the best year ever and i realized a lot of Chinese people are cool. However when you start understanding the mentality and the language well you start realizing their is some kind of sick anti-foreign vide in the air and that’s what expats don’t like

          • Jimney Cricket

            Yep. Had it happen to me. Now I just return fire with a good old “fuck your mother” expletive in either Min nan or Pu tong.

          • Probotector

            How do they respond to that?

          • expat

            I can, but yet, when a chinese go abroad, they believe in themselves as all holy and moley ,they go to America ,rape a student teacher or threaten a professor with his life, and expect he can just buy his way through as if he is still in china, man! all this xenophobic propaganda and so called PRIDE AGAINST THE LAOWAI! YOU ARE SELFISH! IF IT WASN’T FOR THE LAOWAI! CHINA WOULDN’T BE WHAT IT IS TODAY!,. FROM TEACHERS TO OFFICIALS TO ENGINEERS WE ALL MADE DUE AND TOOK PART IN MODERN HISTORY FOR CHINA TO GROW IN ITS PLACE!, 60 -100 YEARS CHINESE WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL , OR OWN PROPERTY , PEOPLE TODAY! REALLY NEED TO LEARN VALUES AND HOW THEY GO THEM COMPARED TO EVEN 30 YEARS AGO!

          • Probotector

            Agreed.

          • Atlas

            “HHHHEEEEEElllllllOOooOoOooOoO????!!!”

            There.

          • Jahar

            My friend had a beer bottle thrown at him for having a chinese girlfriend.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I’ve got quite a few but i won’t bother trying to prove to you that there are indeed a few vicious motherfuckers in China. However it is totally fair to say that there are a few vicious motherfuckers everywhere in the world, but that’s not the topic

          • jc
          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Not a good example, the Brazilian did not get beaten for his foreigner identity. If a Chinese tried to stop the thiefs, he would be beaten up too.

          • James

            you forgot overcharged

          • moody

            Foreigners do not have more privileges than Chineses in China.
            Rich people got more privileges that poor people in China.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Privileges? Sure as a young white man with a bit more personality that your common toad i sure attract more attention than your average Chinese guy (btw, as i like to say when dickheads bother me: “the Chinese invented gunpowder but they sure didn’t invent toothbrushes”). Sure sometimes i get special treatment even though i wished i didn’t because it’s not like i don’t have enough Open Mouths staring at me all fecking day, especially when your walking with a Chinese girl that may or may not be your girlfriend and you have these ugly motherfuckers just staring at her all the way as you pass without blinking.
            You also completely forget to mention I can’t have a “normal” conversation with most Chinese people (smart, educated people obviously not included) as they just consider me like a national flag with all the clichés attached to it OR WORSE they just treat me as a nameless foreign monkey that probably eats burgers all day long. You also forget to mention that everytime a foreigner is involved in a conflict, Chinese education has already predisposed your victimized insecure mind to the idea that the foreigner must have done something wrong. You get my meaning? 三克油

          • Jin Ch’in

            This is kinda of true..they get let off not because of “privileges” but because the local police do not have the resources or want the headache to deal with the paper work of charging a person who hold a passport.

          • Jimney Cricket

            Don’t you know Youtube is blocked in China?

          • Mighty

            He can only come up with old news that portray a dire America that are not blocked.

          • Jimney Cricket

            Oh before Captain China’s epic battle with Google… great issue that one

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Unless you think UN statistics is some “old news”.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I assume most lao wai here live abroad or have a VPN, so I refered youtube for you convenience.

          • Jimney Cricket

            I can assume that 95% of Chinese are Nong Min, eat

            甘薯, pick their nose, steal toilet tissue and stand on the toilet seat when they crap. It doesn’t make it so… perhaps less assuming is required

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Your assumption is irrelevant.

          • Jimney Cricket

            About as relevant as yours nIm

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I told you my assumption to answer you question of why I posted the youtube link, so it is relevant.

        • mr.wiener

          got links of that one mate?

      • Probotector

        You actually think that story was real?

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          Regardless of what you think, there’s plenty of evidence to proves the story.

          • Les Battersby

            What effing evidence exactly? Back up what you assert, otherwise your claims are just invalid and meaningless, and based on conjecture.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            The video, the testification of the victim and bypassers, and also the judgement of the police office.

          • Probotector

            testification? i think you mean testimony. What you said sounds like a procedure to turn inanimate objects into man balls.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Can you generate any meaningful reply?

          • Probotector

            Yeah see my other posts.

            This one was only a joke though, so relax.

          • Acqua

            In England we require a criminal conviction to be proved “beyond reasonable doubt”. Can you prove “beyond reasonable doubt” that the man factually attempted to rape that woman? No.

            In China however, there is no rule of law and even the Chinese know it. The standards of proof in China are abitrary and have no conformity. They are based on the wealth of the alleged wrongdoer and alleged victim first and foremost.

          • YungBruce

            Argument being made here is:

            English judicial system is more advanced and developed than China’s, this man is not guilty, foreigners don’t rape Chinese women.

          • Acqua

            The English judicial system is more advanced and developed than the Chinese judicial system. The Chinese government and people have recognised this and there are calls for huge reforms. Your idea that I was implying “foreigners don’t rape Chinese women” suggests you have a deep inferiority complex. Let’s be honest here, if you were falsely convicted of a crime, you’d want to be tried in a British court and not a Chinese one!

          • YungBruce

            LMFAO at “DEEP inferiority complex.” Talk about leaps of faith. Talk about unfounded confirmation bias. Talk about fantasy.

            Lmfao that you’re an internet solipsist.

            lmfao when the implications of this thread are ludicrous.

          • Acqua

            You’re rambling like a mad man and you seem incredibly upset. Please relax.

            Anyway, let’s focus on the topic, the “reasonable” test used in common law jurisdictions such as England, would not sentence a man based on this video alone. Nothing more, nothing less.

          • YungBruce

            It was excitement. The “deep inferiority complex” really caught me off guard. I lol’d

            Anyways, sure thing. This British national, under Chinese jurisdiction at the time, would not be convicted if he were judged based on the foreign English judicial system.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            And he also would not be sentenced based on the testimonies of pedestrians at the scene and the victim herself?

          • maja

            not in these circumstances. not because the pedastrians happen to be chinese, but because nobody saw the actual rape scene. while on the other hand many people could testify about what happened during the supposed beating that followed, but it seems nobody wants to tell the full story of what happened. also, telling the full story doesn’t mean to side with on side or the other, but to say what happened, trying to be objective
            chinese people sometimes is really worried about getting involved in incidents, but you don’ìt have to get involved, you have to testify. obviously it doesn’t work if the judicial system itself is not supposed to administer justice based on the specific circumstances of the crime.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            What do you mean by “nobody saw the actual rape scene”?Again I’m tired of foreigners here making assumptions in attempt to save their faces.

            The video itself is pretty explanatory, if you want more, the full story was already saw and told. The brit man followed the girl from a subway station and started the attack, push her down on the roadside, took her pants off and pulled down his own pants. There’s no doubt that a rape was going to take place if no one stopped him.

          • Nick in Beijing

            LingMFAO at LMFAO

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Is Bin-Laden convicted?
            Do you believe that he plotted 911?

          • Acqua

            You could have been honest and answered my question. But, instead, you escape, and convince nobody of anything.

          • YungBruce

            LMFAO at the irony.

            LMFAO when he uses your exact argument and you accuse him of being illogical.

            oh LAWD MY SIDES

          • Acqua

            Nobody sincerely believes you’re laughing. Just mad.

          • YungBruce

            lol who mad? umad?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            We don’t need the judge to tell us what to believe, this is the common sense.

            How do you believe that it was actually a Chinese guy Scratchling the relic? There’s no conviction either.

          • Chris McKenna

            Are you really just a foreigner pretending to be Chinese to rile people?

          • ScottLoar

            Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants claimed responsibility for 9-11 and investigations identified the very persons by name, history and affiliation who actually hijacked the planes as members of the organization Al Queda. Now, what more proof do you need?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            “In England we require a criminal conviction to be proved “beyond reasonable doubt”. ”

            What you just said is not a “criminal conviction”, so by the British standard, you still can not prove that Bin Laden is responsible for 911.

          • Probotector

            He didn’t say that, it was Acqua. You’ve confused the posts.

          • ScottLoar

            Yours is a specious argument.

          • Chris McKenna

            Why would the UK want to prove that. There are more than two countries in the world than just China and foreign. The UK and the USA are not the same thing,

          • Probotector

            No “white cotton panties” confused who he/she was talking to and mixed up the quote and the reply or something.

          • Probotector

            Yeah, see my other posts.

            In this case, it was only a joke, so relax.

          • Les Battersby

            The judgement of the police office should not come into it. It is up to the courts to find him guilty. This is what happens when you have rule by law, instead of…..

          • Rick in China

            Unless someone has some evidence somewhere that hasn’t already been passed around – I think it’s safe to say that there is *insufficient* evidence to go either way.

            From the evidence (the video/testimony) it would be suggestive that it’s an attempted rape.

            However, that information alone seems incomplete and logically inconsistent, therefor the conclusion would be that it’s not enough to say with any certainty that’s what truly happened….therefor:

            It seems he was trying to rape her, but due to lack of evidence and consistency, have to let him go.

            As it stands the argument as to “it’s bullshit and fake because” – the only evidence is *purely* conjecture.

          • Les Battersby

            Well said, the information is incomplete and not consistent with the supposed chain of events. As I have studied law (in a western country!), I can’t speak for China or it’s inherent legal system, but in any other country in the western world this case would be thrown out. The evidence would almost certainly be classed as inadmissible, of that I am pretty much 100 % certain.

        • YungBruce

          Okay can we get some shit straight.

          This conversation reeks of implying the existence or nonexistence of rape on whether this video is true.

          Do you concur that the phenomenon of rape occurs everywhere; that it happens in China; that one can be a foreigner and one can be Chinese.

          This story can be true or false. Rapes happen. Watch your butts…

      • markus peg

        He just had a British passport, but he was from Pakistan.
        He is Pakistani.

        • Probotector

          I heard he was of Egyptian ancestry. Anyway, truth be told, he’s not exactly one of us.

        • Mighty

          Or more popularly called ‘Paki’.

      • mr.wiener

        Why does this remind you of that case, defensive much?
        “Oh no! a chinese person has blatantly defaced antiquities……YEH!, JUST LIKE THE TIME THAT FOREIGNER TRIED TO RAPE A CHINESE WOMAN”

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          Because someone said “If this happened in China, there would have been mass riots nationwide until the foreigner was caught and punished.”

          So I come up with a case where a foreigner do shits(which is much worse than scratching a wall) and returned to his country unpunished.

          • jixiang

            Well he may be unpunished, but the case did attract a lot of racist commentary within China.

          • Probotector

            It propelled Yang Rui into infamy for sure.

          • Les Battersby

            Has nothing at all to do with defacing a 3, 500 year old piece of art in present day egypt though, does it?!

          • mr.wiener

            Sorry, all I heard you say was:” Deflect, deflect…deflect , deflect. Deflecting deflected,deflection”.

            Actually if some dum-arsed foreigners did vandalize something and historical value in China there would be mass outrage, and rightly so. But I wouldn’t want to go to any site of historical value [The terracotta wariors, Great wall, the budda at Emei Shan etc] in China, as wading though busloads of tourist groups is not my idea of fun.

          • Jin Ch’in

            So all the looting the British did and then the Americans in China is OK?

          • mr.wiener

            What was it you said the other day?….Oh yes.
            “Yawn”

          • Les Battersby

            No, but then you don’t see brit tourists today vandalizing thousands of year old artwork in China. Oh wait that’s because there isn’t any, the son of a pig farmer destroyed most of it?!

          • Jin Ch’in

            Most was stolen and yes some was destroy by peasants..that’s why i believe gassing the very poor would only benefit society.

          • mr.wiener

            You first.

          • Les Battersby

            By jove dear boy we agree again, on the first part at least.

          • Shanglow

            Heil Jin ! Seig Heil ! Master you let out cerebral flatulence with such ease and gusto! I am your disciple for life ! -not.

          • maja

            he was not talking about the very poor but about a very specific person, now deceased.

          • moody

            Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly did the Americans loot in China ?

            world history is filled with pillaging, murdering and looting.
            It is how the world shaped and built itself (ehtnic cleansing in Africa right now shapes the Africa of tomorrow), and China is not foreign to the concept, so why are you so quick to throw the blame ?

          • Les Battersby

            Agreed, a visit to the beautiful subterannean world surrounding by yangshuo was RUINED by one idiot with a megaphone and many others with phones. I asked the tour guide in all earnestness, was it possible to get a solo guided tour:D

          • Putt

            Are you fucking kidding me? The great wall itself is vandalized a ton. Oh right you wouldn’t know this because you’re ignorant.

          • mr.wiener

            never denied it Putt, just saying you don’t justify vandalism by some one from your country by bring up the misdeeds of others. All vandals deserve to be punished. Clear?

          • Nick in Beijing

            白色纯棉小裤裤

            Way I remember it was after that incident occurred there was a nationwide crackdown on visas…

            I personally know more than a few foreigners who were fired from jobs they had held for more than a year just so the company could limit it’s exposure to the crackdown.

        • http://www.facebook.com/gordon.gogodancer Gordon Gogodancer

          Let me find that China Daily report saying that one in 5 Chinese men raped their partner…hilarious

      • Jimney Cricket

        Oh sorry I was more interested in the ten government officials that had sex with the same woman in lieu of monetary bribes whose pics got posted on the internet, Let me get it straight she went to prison and they…. oh yes have to bare the awful shame of not going to prison on corruption charges…that were never put forward…investigated…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504325916 Sigrid-Marianella Stensrud Ekm

      Nah, it’s kind of common to carve names and urinate on national monuments here isn’t it?
      I’ve seen kids pee on 500 year old monuments in the forbidden city on more than one occasion. What’s worse, the one time it was actually the mother directing the child to pee inside the large ancient sun dial because she thought that was an appropriate spot.

    • Areyoukiddingme

      That’s exactly right!

  • Rick in China

    Luxor temple is beautiful – the sphinxes lit up at night, amazing. Almost all the walls and pillars are carved/painted/preserved – it’s really sad that some fuckface sees that and thinks “lets carve on top”.

    I never saw any of this kind of carving or other graf on temples in Egypt, but the article contributors are very accurate – a lot of the significant and precious areas are much more closely watched… like the nearby tombs in valley of the kings, you’d have no opportunity to scratch shit anywhere without getting immediately stopped/busted. The temples however, are more free roam and it’d be easy to do. The fact I didn’t notice any at all – and this looks like a pretty big carving, this dude must have had balls.. it’s more surprising none of the other tourists that may have seen the guy stopped him, as for ‘tourist police’, most of the temples just have sparse security guards at entrances and usually some normal workers in the ‘side’ areas piecing together broken bits.

    It’s terrible how one little fucker can absolutely destroy the image of everyone else who goes there. There obviously are a lot of Chinese tourists, I met egyptian tour guides (young ones) who spoke pretty great mandarin…

    • MadeInPoland

      No balls, ignorance in action.

    • Jin Ch’in

      Lets not get over the top here..there’s no proof that the Egyptians build any of it. look at modern Egyptians they just one IQ above a monkey its hard to believe they could build such incredible structures

      • garbo

        Boy, someone just showed how low his IQ is.

        • Mighty

          To say he has low IQ would be a compliment as he has none.

          • Jin Ch’in

            licking up more shit from white asses? i guess your the queen of all potato queen.

          • Mighty

            I really don’t know what it feels like to hurl ineffective insults.
            Nobody knows what ‘potato queen’ means.

            On the other hand, I call you a ‘Cucumber Queer’. Everyone knows you being a queer and what you do with the cucumber.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            I actually like Potato queen. I think it means royal potato.. or a royal retard? Dunno.. I just pulled it out of my butt…the joke.. not the potato.

          • Mighty

            You pulled out, maybe a banana. :D

      • Bassem El-Shamaa

        Jin, Don’t judge 1.4 billion people for the actions of one, even some one OF U show how low his IQ is … BTW what did u acheive in ur life ?

        • Jin Ch’in

          I didn’t know i was judging 1.4billion people? all i did was compared what ancient Egyptians achieved with the pyramids and modern Egyptians..its hard to believe they are one and the same.

          • Rick in China

            Pot calling the kettle black..again?
            Or I guess in this case, banana calling the lemon yellow..

          • Probotector

            lol

          • Les Battersby

            Well said. He likes to be racist to others, time to give him a dose of what he likes to dish out. Only language this obnoxious homunculus understands.

          • Jin Ch’in

            If china is so backwards why ain’t you in Egypt using their slave labor to earn your money?

            Your kind just love to exploit but then just shit on the same people you exploit for your money.

          • moody

            wow, you sure are quick to pull out the word “exploit”.
            Nobody is exploiting anybody here.
            People work for a salary.

            I beleive my Chinese collegues enjoy a better working environment, better benefits, and more importantly a higher salary as if they were working for a Chinese company.
            now if you think that minimum wage in China should be increased, which i would support, then raise your voice.
            but i think it would bring China’s “rise” to a quick stop.

          • maja

            and recovering 1/10 of the money spent on bribes would pull it back up.

      • Les Battersby

        Get lost body, bet you have never even BEEN to egypt. Goddamned nouveau riche troll.

        • Jin Ch’in

          Ooh you poor delusional old person..No i have not been to Egypt nor is it on my list of country i want to see or even make a connecting flight too.
          Egyptians are the biggest looters of their own history and second is the British.
          If this was done by a Chinese then what do you expect when you given money to poor farmers? This is why i believe china needs tighter control on the flow of wealth and it should only be amongst the top 10%

          • Les Battersby

            I have, ergo, I know more than you.Now get stuffed!!!

          • mr.wiener

            You being trolled mate. Let his comments stand in solitary stupidity for all to marvel at.
            At the moment I’m getting images of Jin with a really bad hair sticking up hairstyle like that guy from “Ancient Aliens”

          • BiggJ

            Haha, Yeah that show makes me laugh lol. So this what Jin looks like?

          • Guest

            You mean this Jin?

          • Mighty

            You mean this Jin?

          • Probotector

            You mean like this?

          • carmouflagger

            haaaaaaaaaaaahahahhaha!!!

          • Jin Ch’in

            This guy hair is genius!

          • Les Battersby

            You are right it is best not to reply to a fool, lest one be taken for….

      • moody

        he just watched Stargate i think

  • prototype666

    The most low-class people in the entire world.

  • Ami

    Something about this makes my stomach turn. Graffiti has been done for thousands of years but rarely is it so crass.
    I’d thought it’d be a small scratch that some other chinese tourist noticed and posted.

  • BiggJ

    I don’t mean to sound racist here….but if you give an orangutang a camera and fist full of money and set him loose outside his natural habitat…..his behavior will be similar…maybe a bit better then a mainland chinese tourist. No offense. lol

    • MadeInPoland

      Same goes if you give ape AK47. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU

    • Davd S.

      I’d be curious to see how it comes out when you do mean to sound racist.

      Or is it just a turn of phrase? Something like “I don’t mean to sound rude… but fuck fuck fuck fuck”

      • BiggJ

        I said “no offense”….It’s all good buddy, lol

        • Davd S.

          Oh yes you did, I should have read more attentively. It’s all good indeed then, and you did not sound so very racist after all.

          Next time I’d emphasize a little if I were you though, it’s easy to miss and to the casual reader’s eyes, you might come across as a silly redneck fucktard. No offense :D

          • BiggJ

            None taken. lol It’s a loop hole…you can pretty say anything you want, you just need to end it with ” no offense”…..It’s a great way of saying some off color shit without seeming like a total asshole hahahaha Oh and it also helps when you begin with “I don’t mean to sound like a______ here but…” Pretty much combining those 2 things will let you off the hook. lol

  • wgoat

    Surprised that they are actually ashamed. Now that they get to travel and work in other places/countries, their manners and mannerisms offends pretty much everyone; even chinese in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore dislike them. Too many stories of crass and selfish behavior abound.

    • Les Battersby

      There is a video of hong kongers telling a mainlander to get lost on youtube, after he is abusive and rude to the ferry staff on a ferry either from or to HK or Macau. Those staff are really nice and do their best for the safety of everyone, arsehole got what he deserved for arrogantly trying to break the rules and thinking he is better than everyone else, goddamned nong min.

      • garbo

        I saw that one. They were telling him to go back to China. The whole boat was shouting at him. Fair enough he was shouting at the female staff and telling her he disrespected her. This is after she told him to respect himself. He was arrogant jerk.

        • Les Battersby

          He was a prick, most likely from guangdong or somewhere in the south.

        • Gordon Gogodancer

          I would love to see his expression after hearing people telling him to go back to China….” but…but..i am in China…am i not, 一国两制嘛” hehe

      • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

        He seems like a shit head but no need to pull out “farmer” as a degradative term. I just think fucktard is a better use.

        • expat

          FARMER FARMER, OH THATS ALL,

          NAW! nong min is stronger and shows them through their thick skulls, that they are are not wanted

      • expat

        i LIKE THAT WORD, IT IS A RATHER STRONG WORD THAT ALL EXPATS NEED TO USE AGAINST THESE MORON PEASANTS OR PISS ANTS!, “NONG MIN”

    • nqk123

      It gonna take China quite a few more years to catch up. They are making progress, so don’t be too harsh on them.

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        Yeah making progress with their graffiti

  • Alex, California, USA

    Need to learn RESPECT.

    • radbab

      they usually only demand it, they don’t give respect

  • Mudge

    Typical chinese, he’s only “sorry” when he’s been caught and truly fucked, now he’ll spend the rest of his days trying to hunt down anyone that flesh searched him.

  • garbo

    So embarrassing. Makes you wonder when they’ll start limiting the amount of Chinese tourists again.

    • ..

      Doubt that’ll happen. That’s like a restaurant owner selling less because people are eating messily.

    • Alice S

      I hope they do. No offence but some countries don’t deserve the tourism profits they get. They should be nice & fair.

  • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

    It annoyed me when I showed up bright and early to photograph Yosemite Falls in Yosemite National Park, just to see the large boulders at the bottom were covered in names scratched onto them with rocks. I don’t remember seeing any Chinese writing/names, but certainly a lot of Indian-looking names. Luckily they weren’t carved, so they could be washed off…but I certainly didn’t get to snap any decent photos with those boulders in them.

    I just wonder…why do this? In an ancient place like the Egyptian temple in this article, or a National Park like Yosemite, known for it’s gorgeous landscapes and rich wildlife…why does anyone feel like screwing it up just to put their own dumbass name on it? I just can’t fathom such a level of disrespect for something so important.

    • Atlas

      Some people just want to see the world burn… or were born in China.

  • percymay

    If the Chinese Government offered to repair the damage, this act would send a message throughout China.

    In the final analysis, since the Chinese Government controls everything in China, it should be responsible for the behavior of its people.

    Chinese bad manners and poor behavior are a result of policies created by the government.

    • Kai

      And the government was created by the people. Uh oh, chicken and egg problem…

      • percymay

        “. . . the [PRC] government was created by the people.”
        Damn! You’re smart.

        • Kai

          You said the people are shaped by the government. I’m saying the government is also shaped by the people, since it is obviously a human construct and organization. What I’m trying to bring up is the philosophical chicken and egg problem of where causality lies. If people are uneducated, is it because the government failed to educate them, or is it because the government is comprised of uneducated people who govern in an manner that perpetuates uneducated people?

          This is also a well-known underlying issue with notions of democracy and autocracy (as well as social contract and consent). Each model has arguments for how it deals with such conundrums to provide the better overall outcome.

          I was just presenting another way of looking at things to illustrate why an issue is complicated. I wasn’t trying to offend you.

    • radbab

      what message? You can break stuff and the nanny will deal with the mess? Works so well in my company where nobody throws away trash – after all, we have a cleaner (heck we can even mess up things on purpose! we have a cleaner!!!!)

      Might be different if the government punishes them…

    • Paul Schoe

      Interesting Percymay. From a marketing perspective this would have an enormous impact on how people in other countries view China.

      With an extreme small investment, China would be presented in a positive way in newspapers all over the world.

      Unfortunately the chance of this happening is extreme small, as it would mean that they would recognize something negative/critical (in this case a Chinese boy vandalizing an 3500 year old relic) and Chinese officials won’t do that. But if they could step over that personal insecurity, the positive impact can be very, very high. Higher then any well-funded promotion campaign could achieve.

      Let’s hope that there is an enlightened official who actually sees your suggestion ;-)

    • moody

      and the tax payer to pay for some kid’s mistake ?
      your true aim is to start a revolution is that it ?

      • maja

        no revolution, but yes, that’s exactly the idea. this country is lost in a big family dream where everything is solved like a quarrel about which tv show to watch, then treat this as a quarrel involving middle-schoolers and be done with it.

        • moody

          i wonder, have you ever tried to hold a person’s accountable for their mistake right here in China ?
          If so, have you tried to make them pay for it (or reduce the amount to pay for the service provided or goods sold) ?

          considering the shit storm that usually follow, i let you imagine how it would turn out to make one pay for another’s mistake …..

          • maja

            that’s basically the reason why everyone is allowed to behave as if personal responsibility is an ununderstandble exotic tale.

          • moody

            You are preaching to the choir i assure you.
            but it is China, and they will change at their own pace

          • maja

            yes I know, it’s just that I’m starting to be more and more concerned the mess will only grow too much and it will become unsolvable. I mean I’m concerned about my friends, I guess I will have some kind of way out, or not.

          • moody

            are you in China yourself ?

          • maja

            I am in Beijing. But I’m a foreigner, I don’t need to go through hell to get kicked out. The friends I was talking about are chinese without any option for a visa, or any prospect at all if ever they get out of the country, even if they have regular jobs and degrees.

          • maja

            Living in this city really chenged my point of view on the “it’s getting
            better” that was in my mind. I know perfectly well it’s better then
            before, but I really can’t help noticing the impoverishment is starting
            way ahead of what was planned for a lot of people. I never lived in
            other places in China tough, I would like to go to Taiwan now, maybe come back when
            I can at least fend off with the language.

          • maja

            ..

          • moody

            ??

    • Jin Ch’in

      Ooh please nothing to do with tax payers money to fix anything..and it was was so important they should have been guarding it.

    • Allan H

      C’mon man. How old was this kid? 12 or 13? Obviously its a shame what that kid did, but what stupid things did you do at 12? He wasn’t thinking. He was just excited and wanting to leave a name for himself. (Which after seeing this story on the Pearl Report, I’d say he did.) But he’s twelve.

      The people who flesh searched a 12 year old and made a “12 year olds” information public are the real A-holes. The problem is not with the government. They can’t and don’t control everything. The problem is with the people flesh searching this kid and then going to the zoo and feeding giraffes leaves they find on the ground. Or throwing things into the panda pen.

      • percymay

        A 12 or 13 year-old little shit who defaced a 3,500 year-old Egyptian sculpture because he was “excited” and “wasn’t thinking” shows that his parents can’t control him.

        Let public ridicule influence him.

        This notoriety will also be a good lesson for all Chinese travelers who “get excited” and forget to “think” the next time they travel abroad.

        The Chinese nation does not need idiots, fools, and simpletons representing them in foreign countries.

    • Allan H

      hahahahaha…. “In the final analysis” you have no idea what you’re talking about.
      Yeah, I think he was following policy #342, erm: Damage Egyptian Monument.
      Man… they really ought to think about taking that one of the books.

  • Jin Ch’in

    Maybe its was done by 香港人 or Japanese or westerners framing Chinese so they look bad? how do we know it was done by a Chinese person. Vandalizing is very uncommon in china.

    • garbo

      It’s very common just look at the Great Wall.

      • Jin Ch’in

        Chinese are not the only visitors to the great wall

        • Les Battersby

          and ?

          • Kevin Yu

            Yeah. I guess its really uncommon. Maybe this one wasnt from shandong. Maybe he was just a japanese, writing he is from a city in Shandong.

            Come one. The great wall is full of this and most of it is chinese. Of course there are also foreigners who do it, but vandalizing is uncommon in China? Where do you live? In some kind of compartment?

            Edit. Sorry. Replied to the wrong one :)

          • Mighty

            And he can’t think of anything.

          • mr.wiener

            The Aliens might have built it.

          • Mighty

            If they did the Chinese will claim to be direct descendants of Aliens.

    • Mighty

      ” Vandalizing is very uncommon in china.”
      Because Chinese do that outside of China. You stupid fuck.

    • Les Battersby

      because how many westerners would know how to write chinese characters, do grow up wumao boy

    • Les Battersby

      http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-05/27/content_16533952.htm

      Here you go mr smartyparents, his parents from jiangsu have apologized for their dipshit excuse of a boy’s behaviour, with the usual crap about face and chinese people thrown in. I’d like to see some less biased media sources report about it, but will wait and see. You have been proved wrong, and can consider yourself corrected, corrected!!

      • mr.wiener

        Denial is not just de long river that runs through Egypt apparently
        .Interesting how his knee-jerk reaction is more or less identical to the third netezin from the top [roundly reviled by his fellow Chinese netezins]

        That said if you go to many monuments in Egypt there is graffiti dating from the Greeks under Alexander’s command, Romans’s , Napoleon’s men , anzacs, right through to the present. Most other cultures have learned not to act like dicks. The Chinese are new at this and about to experience a learning curve.

        …..I just had a thought! What if what Jin writes is not actually written by a tight arsed, zenophobic elitist ABC douche? The author could in fact be a…a…a….Foriegner trying to make Chinese look bad [worse] Wheee! my head just expoded~

      • The Enlightened One

        “His father said they felt regretful after news about the case was spread online.”

        Oh but not before or while your son was doing it? That’s good ole Chinese mannerisms there… .only feel guilty after having been caught and subjected to public humiliation.

        • Jin Ch’in

          So a teenager did something stupid whilst traveling..do you think hes the only teenager who have done something stupid?

          • The Enlightened One

            Not my point at all.

            THEY felt regretful… as in his parents are likely to have witnessed or were aware of him in his stupid act.

          • Jin Ch’in

            oh maybe they become aware after the story broke? welcome to parenting western style. Kids no longer listen to their parents and act like western kids.. this what all you expats being calling for? equal rights and freedom..cant have ur cake and eat it to.

          • tonkotsu

            are you mentally retarded?

    • radbab

      I still remember that one chinese dude pissing at some old chinese pedestal in the xi’an old city in bright day light in the middle of the street. fun times in xi’an. But maybe it was just a japanese wearing poor man’s clothing… maybe y’all should be ashamed for not stopping this vile vandal! lol

      • Jin Ch’in

        Yes i also read that story but there’s also story about kids who pour petrol on homeless people in America and setting them alight. Do you blame the “whole of USA” for the action of these people?

        what has the action of a few stupid people to do with the whole of one country?

      • mr.wiener

        ……wait for the deflection…There it is!

        • Jin Ch’in

          So its ok for other countries to have stupid people doing stupid things but when some stupid Chinese do it..ITS the whole country that’s to be blame right?

          How is that deflecting? so with all the hundreds of millions of Chinese traveling overseas a few stupid fucked up people do some fucked up things and its ALL Chinese? Logic?

          why do you hate china so much? has your Chinese wife run off with a richer man already?

          • mr.wiener

            Point:
            The first#…..: I think that anyone in any country should be ashamed and ask some searching questions of themselves if one of their countrymen acts in a stupid, undignified, selfish fashion abroad and brings shame upon them as a whole.

            The second#….It is deflection if your first reaction to said embarrasment is to claim a different nationality may have attempted to frame the Chinese or that the Egytians might not have constructed their own antiquities or that in ‘Merica feckless youth torch homeless people.

            The third#…..Apparently my wife [Taiwanese, dickhead] values something other than money, I won’t try explaining that to you you wouldn’t understand.
            I have nothing further to add ,other than if I’d wanted a come back I’d have asked your mother to spit you out.

          • Les Battersby

            His dad would have been better off spattering his ball butter in a peter north style elsewhere, than giving birth to this xenophobic homunculus.

          • Jin Ch’in

            BAHAHAHA well this would explain it!

            1# No i feel no shame for the action of someone else and these are the same people who i believe should NOT be given any rights too and be tighter controlled. I believe its people like you who want everyone to have equal right..well here it is what you complaining about now?

            2# Well that’s not 100% proven they build anything and if you see what they have done since its hard to believe they could build a toilet let alone the pyramids.

            3# Taiwanese hey this would explain why your frustrated and go online to bitch and whine about Chinese.

          • mr.wiener

            hahaha! ….Sorry, hearing a Shanghainese [ABC] sneering at Taiwanese kind of reminds me of the time this twit from Burmingham has complaining about how low class Australians are.
            Please continue living your life the way you do at the moment. I honestly can’t think of anything nastier to say to you than that :D

          • Jin Ch’in

            Just one look at Australia richest person and you can see what a pig she is oink oink so yes Australians are mostly bush pigs

            http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17284573/rinehart-loses-7-bn-but-still-australias-richest/

          • Les Battersby

            Bush pigs who happen to live on basically a giant tropical island. Funnily enough most Chinese like to holiday and live there, why is that my dear boy?

          • Jin Ch’in

            Did i say Australia? ur as tick as two shit brick..i said Australian..you know the criminals who were shipped there for stealing bread then go on to kill pretty much 90% of the local people and stolen their children.

          • Les Battersby

            then that would make japanese , chinese fishermens offspring yes? Do grow up some.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            Pyramids were plan and built by Pharoah and his team of engineer and architect the moment he took the throne. Pyramids are for religious purposes

            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm

            and they didnt use slaves to build Pyramids

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

            They were an advanced civilisation. WIth regard to this case, when interviewed, the tour guide did not blame the boy, because they know blaming or deflecting the problem towards other, and refusal to reflect on one’s wrongdoing are what uncivilised people do.

            http://www.gadling.com/2013/05/26/chinese-tourist-vandalizes-egyptian-temple-pisses-off-china/

            By the way are you Gay Azn Boi? your line of thinking are so similar to him you must be GAB, or Bugs Bunny twin brother in terms of cognitive processes and logic.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Hey Gonorrhea, science have been wrong before and its not been proven 100% they build any of it.

            If they WERE advance they are not now or have been for thousand of years.

            No idea what your on about but seems all you guys like to talk about gayness alot and bring it up at any op.

          • Les Battersby

            That argument could be levelled at the UK too, seeing as we are no longer a part of the mighty roman empire. Egypt is the present owner of the pyramids and all that beautiful art, regardless of who built or drew it, just like China has the giant buddha, great wall and so on within it’s boundaries.

          • BiggJ

            lol.

          • Jin Ch’in

            could be? why not. not as far fetched as the Egyptians

          • BiggJ

            Same thing could be said for the chinese. What have the chinese come up lately? All chinese do is use slave labor to make cheap shit. And use foreign idea and products and call them your own. You don’t come up with anything on your own like you guys did back 1000’s of years ago.

          • Jin Ch’in

            No idea why you think i love Chinese..i only mostly like Shanghainese and only if they come from families with money. All my circle of friends are Shanghainese but we hold passport from other countries :). Nothing i hate more then poor Chinese are white RMB middle class (white people who are lower social income level come to china and they become rmb middle class haha)

          • Les Battersby

            That figures coming from you, you sarcastic effing prick!

          • Probotector

            “you sarcastic effing prick!”

            Les, you can say fuck on this forum.

          • Jin Ch’in

            leave him alone hes old and he is in china for pedophile holiday so cant draw to much attention to myself.

          • Shanglow

            “so cant draw to much attention to myself” Ahhhh… master jin did we mistakenly betray who really went on that particular type of holiday ???

          • Les Battersby

            And most of that is going to vietnam, pretty soon china will be a land of derelict factories.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Why not? Because they’re still standing.

          • Les Battersby

            Well it could be not 100% proven that the chinese built the great wall, martians could have built it for all we know. Let us not forget neither the pyramids nor the great wall, belong to either country, they are a part of the history of MANKIND. Might be hard for an ignorant bigot like you to understand that though!

          • Shanglow

            First you say the vandal could be a foreigner trying to frame the chinese, then you turn round & say that the common man should not be given any rights and be tightly controlled ! What stupid logic ! It means by hook or by crook you want to blame foreigners AND at the same time take away rights of the chinese -BTW mr. wiener is a million times better person than you will ever be !

        • Mighty

          Hahaha… that’s classic!

  • Mighty

    Must be someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong because Chinese tourists are well behaved and most loved in the world.

    • garbo

      I’ve seem Chinese tourists deface tourist sites before and you must be facetious about being the most loved tourists in the world.

      • Mighty

        I said it in the most sarcastic manner.

        • garbo

          Yes, I know. I was playing along,

          • Mighty

            The travel industry (hotels, travel agencies, etc.) Ranks Chinese tourist as the second worst in the world. I’m shocked that they’re not ranked FIRST. (Russians or French claim that honor).

          • Les Battersby

            Comparing french to either russians or chinese is unfair. I’d say chinese must take the number 1 spot. Russians might behave arrogantly, get smashed on booze, but not a patch on Chinese….and perhaps if some of them got pissed once in a while and didnt feel the need to be led around like a dumb kid like an idiot by a moron with a megaphone, less things like this would happen. You are right though!

          • Mighty

            I’m right to be shocked that the Chinese aren’t number 1, right? lol

          • Les Battersby

            I’m shocked, lol:D

          • Chris McKenna

            When I was out in Xinjiang, we went to one of the famous mosques right after prayers had finished. Even as people were coming out a tour guide came yelling through her megaphone and pushing into the mosque. It’s not surprising they have problems out there.

          • Les Battersby

            That would do it, yes.

  • Probotector

    The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming!

  • PixelPulse

    Wow this is just so damn disrespectful.

  • Les Battersby

    Saw a clip of this on youku, didn’t watch it, but know now what it is all about. Imagine the uproar if egyptians/foreigners did the same to say the great wall or the forbidden city or the hakka houses ,,,,,the end would never be heard of it, ffs:(:( Disgusting behaviour!!

  • 剑胆琴心

    should report to Egypt gov let them fine this family hard.
    give this type of bad behavior a good warning.
    i do not know why some people just have this kind of habit, never for me. but i just drew everywhere at home when i was a kid.hahaha!

    • Les Battersby

      Eattot, my dear smooth faced angel, how is your new south east asian abode?

  • 海綿寶寶

    It’s written in simplified chinese. This person from the mainland or singapore. I don’t Japanese, Hong Konger, or Taiwanese are actually bored enough to frame a mainlander just for giggles. Reminded me of that girl who posted a huge stolen coral on her weibo, facepalm.

    • Guest

      er. the parents of the wanker already admitted to it, from jiangsu, you lose!

    • Les Battersby

      You are right, simplified chinese=mainland. Trolls will not listen.

    • Probotector

      Mainlanders learn both traditional and simplified Chinese. They normally use only simplified in their day-to-day lives, but they’re still aware of the traditional writing.

      • ScottLoar

        No, mainland Chinese do not learn both traditional and simplified Chinese. Mainland Chinese depend on context to read newspapers from Hong Kong or Taiwan in traditional Chinese, but why argue? You yourself can ask any mainland Chinese below the age of 50 years to write any number of characters in traditional form and see the results; some characters have become completely lost, like 髮, now effectively replaced on the mainland by 发 which is not even the same tone. Even a computer switch from simplified to traditional cannot get back the traditional form of “hair”.

        Look to the traditional character edition 唐詩三百 and see what happens to a mainland reader when the traditional form of the characters cannot be gotten from context.

        • jixiang

          Ok, so the Mainlanders don’t know the traditional characters. What’s the problem? We should be thankful, that way inpractically complicated characters like 髮 will finally be consigned to the dustbin of history. Such difficult characters are not suited for the needs of a modern society, where eveyone has to become literate, not just the court aristocrats.

          • ScottLoar

            Why are you even addressing me? I did not defend traditional characters nor impugn the simplified system. I replied to another showing that, no, mainlanders do not “learn both traditional and simplified Chinese”.

            I don’t invite your comments or replies which in the whole are silly and confused based as they are on simply defending mainland China regardless of the merits of the argument.

          • Mighty

            I cannot recall the last time I heard someone say “impugn”.

          • tonkotsu

            needs? why not just switch the whole world to english and kiss everything else goodbye?

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          CPP did not invent simplified Chinese, they just made the informal ways of writing formal. Many of the simplified Chinese characters were widely used by people long before CPP took over China. For example, the simplified “国” is also used by japan, instead of the traditional “國”

          • ScottLoar

            Yes, yes, yes, I am well familiar with the running-style and grass-style simplifications which is the base of many – not all but many – of the simplified characters. Japan’s character text is largely based on the Song print style.

          • ScottLoar

            Yes, yes, yes, I am well familiar with the running-style and grass-style simplifications which is the base for many – not all, but many – of the current simplified Chinese characters. Most of the Japanese character text is based on the Song print style; your example of the Japanese for “country” and that for the possessive are running and grass-styles respectively.

        • James

          lol many believe bopomofo is jap when they see it

  • Nasehr

    China should have close its down and not letting its pesky low-life citizens out of their country. Their citizens have been a nuisance in almost every country. In fact all airports around the world should set a quarantine just for China tourist where they are disinfected and briefed of what what they can or cannot do in the country they are visiting. Even stray dogs behave well than China people…

    • Davd S.

      Stray dogs of diferent races can cohabit in good intelligence, better than you too.

      • Kimberly J.

        I think Nasehr is right. Stray dogs are better than China people. In fact, whenever I read news of Chinese people dead in earthquake, I laughed cos it’s just so funny. I hope more Chinese are dead. The world would be much a better place…

        • Mighty

          Regardless, what you said is quite fucked up.

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          The world would be much a better place if your father ejaculated you on the wall.

          • Mighty

            I agree with you this once.

          • mr.wiener

            Me too.

          • moody

            true dat

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            I think little kimmy hit too many walls and broke its tail before finding the egg which explains her tard syndrome.

        • Davd S.

          If I were Nasehr, I’d probably wish you hadn’t sided with me. :D

          I suggest you visit China, or some Chinatown near where you live, or even just the local Chinese buffet and get a feel for the place…
          Then visit some other place with no Chinese and lots stray dogs to see if you like it better. Pripyat would be good.

        • mr.wiener

          I hope your arsehole grows tastebuds.

    • radbab

      well, they tried to build a wall… didn’t work.

  • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

    >=)

    They do enjoy posing with the Ankh, it is the old Gods past time. The Ankh pose…. a symbol of life. The god Amun’s body desecrated by the vulgar Ding Jinhao…. dance in victory now….. youve sealed your fate, your after life is grim.

    An ancient Egyptian spell, translated:

    “Hi, eastern side of heaven, eastern side of the earth! Amun has stood up as a ruler, he has taken the White Crown. The whole earth is in silence. Go, hurry on, close their mouths! and all reptiles—- they will touch the ground, from fear of your violence, Amun!”

    which spell one outcome for Ding Jinhao in afterlife…. castration and force feeding of his own genital. And in after life, your genital regrow. But do not breathe a sigh of relief, Ding, for you will be castrated again and again. That is a light sentence. Unlike the new god, the Old Gods will not show mercy, and the new god can say nothing under the fury of the Old Gods.

    >=)

  • narsfweasels

    As usual the Chinese “Do what we say, don’t say what we do” approach comes shining through:

    To the Japanese: “Stop revising history!” – when of course, the GLF and the CR are practically invisible.

    To the Americans: “Stop ruling by conquest!” – when China itself is territory conquered by the Han.

    To the British: “You have an imperial past!” – when, let’s not forget, China stood at the heart of a vast network of vassals and occupied territories.

    To the Africans: “We have a policy of non-interference!” – but don’t lock up our nationals, attempt to tax us or elect parties who have stated their opposition to our interference.

    To the world’s media: “Do not mock us!” – while every day the China Daily has a new cartoon or opinion leader characterising Westerners as neanderthals, thieves or mentally unstable.

    To those whose relics, citys and beautiful places were defaced, defecated up on littered upon by Chinese tourists – “We have 5000 years of history! Respect us!”

    • Davd S.

      One must be careful not to put the Chinese government’s stupid rethoric in the mouth of all Chinese. A lot of Chinese would actually agree with the inconsistencies you are listing and they would be the first to take a shit on their own government, as well as their own people.

      I’m not saying all of them, but quite a few. Sure lots of them do take offence when non-Chinese do the same but that’s just them being insecure and fragile, which is kind of endearing.

      • narsfweasels

        The problem is that the Chinese state and the government are one and the same thing to the Party. It’s a typical fallacy commited by authoritarian regimes – “we are the national interest” etc. You’re right that this is not the open-minded portion of the Chinese nation, but instead the propaganda-fed “HELLLLOOOO!” majority who you will find on the street who only have access to the media which they are permitted to access: they are mostly itching to fight Japanese people, believe that America is a monolithic antichrist and that all Africans come with HIV pre-installed.

        Then again, I meet a huge number of middle class people in Shanghai and they are just as nonplussed by the actions of their government as I. But then again, I ask all of them: Is Taiwan a separate sovereign nation? and present them with the criteria for which a nation must fulfil to be considered sovereign (which Taiwan meets all) and the response is always “but I know that Taiwan is part of China…”. Ignorance pervades every strata of the society, as it does everywhere.

        • Davd S.

          I agree there is a fair bit of biggots and sheeps in China, and probably more than elsewhere due to the pathetic level of public debate / freedom of speech in this country.

          I just don’t think it’s reasonable to talk about the Chinese “Do what we say, don’t say what we do” approach in this case, as most of the Chinese netizens were just as annoyed with Young Ding as you and I.

          I also don’t think it’s terribly fair to attribute these attitudes you listed to the whole of the Chinese people, simply because those who actually agree with you on the GLF, the CR, Taiwan and Han imperialism don’t have much of a chance to make their voices heard.

          • narsfweasels

            “I just don’t think it’s reasonable to talk about the Chinese “Do what we
            say, don’t say what we do” approach in this case, as most of the
            Chinese netizens were just as annoyed with Young Ding as you and I.”

            I disagree with you, but you have the right your opinion ;)

      • Probotector

        Why is it endearing?

        • Davd S.

          Because they act all tough but they are fragile inside their little hearts. I don’t know… Like the Penguin in Batman Returns maybe? He’s kind of endearing.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You mean the Americans who posted silly jokes on their government petition website and were upsetted when chinese did the same?

  • Ananamonous

    What is the problem with China Chinese tourist.
    you don’t respect other pll, you don’t line up, pee & spit everywhere… the list goes on.
    You are an embarrassment to all the Chinese pll in the world

  • Justice

    This is not a surprise to me. The chinese are always who they are. Not character. They don’t care about dignity. and they are so proud of their uncivilized lifestyle. Everybody knows them, thats why they have no respect anywhere. some of them thought money could buy them a place on the social ladder. they need to be treated as fourth class beings

    • Dave

      Not sure if trolling, or just very stupid.

      And this was upvoted?

      • mr.wiener

        I go with “some truth ,but ultimately very bigoted”

      • YungBruce

        Well there are poor angry white people too. haha

        They’re just living in better conditions relative to China. Still peasants relatively speaking. Globalization has made travel to poorer China to live a better life than as a peasant in the developed world.

        • Dave

          “Not character?” Not sure this guy’s first language is English.

          If poor Westerners come to the East to live a better life, is that still technically “upward mobility?”

        • hess

          Last time I checked farmers made quite a lot of money in the developed world.

  • Packing up and going home

    TIC ( This is China) come to expect this from a Chinese, most of them have a ( nong ming) approach to life. Low, uneducated, living in the past, don’t give a fcuk about you attitude. Scum of society, most of them.

  • Peter N.

    We all should visit China and scribble some grafitti on that Mao Zedong shit face… HAHAH… Mao Zedong = Dog

    • Mighty

      He had regular ‘meetings’ with virgin girls well into his last days. Mao The Dong.

      • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

        He also had STDs…I think…source from reading Mao’s doctor’s journal?

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Yeah, and he will waiting for you in the afterlife, all ready to rape your ass, everyday till eternity.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

    Good job!
    Egypt kills it own people so who gives a sht.

    • Jin Ch’in

      Exactly..big deal just some random kid doing some random stupid thing and the “whole” of china is to blame? just get over it people nothing to see here.

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  • HK Gweilo

    Some of these comments are getting off topic, so let’s bring it back on for a second.

    There is something clearly wrong with a society that brings up children who think it is acceptable to scrawl onto a 3,500 year old relic.

    I don’t care where you come from, but that is not acceptable behavior in any part of the world, apart from China it seems. Why don’t the tourists stay in China and shit on their own doorstep or, if you really must travel the world with your Gucci handbag collection, overly loud voices, inability to queue and Olympic standard spitting, simply follow the rules of the country you are in and you will be just fine.

    • YungBruce

      umad this is dumb.

  • YungBruce

    5000 YEAR MY FUCKING ASS LMAO!!!!! Stupid delusional chinese

    http://www.sacu.org/historysurvey.html

    • wacky

      delusional article from confused web.
      the base of 5000 years claim is long shan culture which is compatible with chinese historiography not xia dynasty

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Young Bruce, you sound like the nasty cock roach I just smashed under my smelly feet.

  • Jason Choo

    Should have just create another Holocaust and put all these annoying China tourist/citizens into the gas chambers or the oven. Why are the Chinese in other countries apart from China are more well behaved? The ones from China are just like parasites wherever they go and nobody likes them.

    • wacky

      stupid comment that shows your degree of intelligence.

      because most of this chinese are actually poor people who just come out of poverty and lack of education and understanding

    • mr.wiener

      Don’t

    • Germandude

      I see. Quote: “Why are the Chinese in other countries apart from China are more well behaved? The ones from China are just like parasites wherever they go and nobody likes them.”

      The education system is truely going down as you have proven well. And since it’s survival of the fittest, rats and bugs, like you, will still bother us in the future.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Jason Choo, lets start with you first.

  • RaphaeI

    there needs to be better moderation here. why did stormfront dispatch their goons to flood the comments section?

  • Cauffiel

    Hahaha… I would love to print and distribute this thread for my reading class lessons.

  • Beshoy ATef

    Do you think an apology for writing on an ancient painting that cost about 260 Million dollars from my grandparents history can fix a 3500 years old pice
    Please , understand how shameful this is to China and its people

  • Misiooo

    Don’t expect much from the people of country with roughly 30 years of history of civilization.

  • Calles

    I think the sad part is that they’re just behaving like they do back in home, I’ve visited some touristic places in China and people just push you to be the first in line, spit just behind your feet, make their children pee in public spaces… It’s also sad because you can recognize Chinese people just because their behavior, in Thailand I went to some touristic places, in there you can see a lot of Asian visitors… but Chinese are the ones that are always shouting, littering, stepping on the prohibited areas, for them is ok, and I’m not very sure they care about the image they have outside China…

    • Mighty

      The biggest problem is that they think they’re above all. As I’ve said, they’re the biggest hypocrites. China needs a world sized mirror to see themselves.

      • Calles

        Actually I don’t think it’s because they are hypocrites, it’s more a cultural problem, our cultures are different, and after some time living in China I must say sometimes I feel I understand them less, but truth is that the ones that go out, even though it’s a small share of the population, they are still a lot!, so many of them behave just like in their country, and they don’t care because in home they don’t need to justify their actions, they have money, and as in many other places all over world, that’s what matters. So call them hypocrites for these kind of things I think it’s not fair, Asian people in fact are very pride, and each one of them rejoice in the fact that their culture is very ancient, anyway, some of them respect they historical sites, and some of them not.

        • Mighty

          “You’re not Chinese so you won’t understand” is always the escape route for Chinese. Yet, when abroad, the general attitude is “We’re not Westerners so we don’t need to understand them”. That’s hypocrisy at its best (or worst, take y our pick).

  • William Faulkner

    The lack of manners displayed by many, let’s be honest, there’s quite a lot of them, Chinese tourists is quite appalling. Even in China, the complete disregard for civility is common. Abroad of course its accentuated.

    I love China. I live here and I’m married with kids.

    What really upsets me is those rich (most of the time) bastards that make their entire country lose even more face. A few bad apples rottens the basket…

    The lack of public civility is something that China will have to learn if it wants to regain its civilized’ status in the eyes of the world. Look at the public washrooms, how people drive, throw garbage everywhere, yell on the phone in a restaurant, this is NOT civilized behavior according to the rest of the world.

    And it won’t change unless Chinese people stop allowing it to happen all the time.

    Until then, you deserve your reputation.

    • Jin Ch’in

      You must live amongst the poor Chinese because i do not see that kind of behavior in my daily live.

      • Shanglow

        Master jin how have you mastered ART OF LIVING NORMALLY WITH A BLINDFOLD ??? please, make me your disciple !

        • Jin Ch’in

          I live in 新天地 area of shanghai and i have never seen anyone spiting or pissing on the street. The valet who park my car do not spit my cleaner and cook do not spit when i go shopping at plaza 66 i have never once seen people pushing or shouting or eating in public. So i have no idea where you people live but if you live with dogs you get fleas its that simple.

          • Dave

            Oh.

            You’re one of those.

          • Shanglow

            Jin, why do you look down on the poor so much ? It seems you have a special hatred for them, perfectly ok for you to defend china against insults, but you want to gas the poor ? You know in your previous birth, when you were Marie Antoinette, you had the same attitude and when you advised the starving poor what other bakery product they could substitute bread with, they didnt take kindly to your advice and proceeded to do you damage, so be careful in this birth.

          • Jin Ch’in

            If you know your history she never said that..it was propaganda spin to do damage on the royals.

            I do not hate all poor..there’s working class poor who i support with jobs but the very poor who are unemployable and just sucking up air without giving anything back can just be removed.

          • moody

            I never understood the poor, why don t they just go out and buy more money ???

          • Jin Ch’in

            Or just get a job and work? there’s an idea

          • moody

            Poor have jobs too
            but they have no rich daddy to pay for their lifestyles while they sit on their hands doing absolutly NOTHING but posting nonesense comments on this very website

          • Shanglow

            Lets not split ends over trivia, the fact remains the royals were beheaded for their apathy towards the poor. I congratulate you for your success jin, you seem to be a self made man which is why you seem so arrogant. The fact remains though, the life of one person cannot be considered lesser than another’s or even outright expendable simply because of the amt of money one owns. There can be legitimate reasons for their abject poverty – they could be physically or mentally disabled , victims of accidents, diseases, maybe some never had the opportunity as they were born into poverty.

          • James

            jin’s got the solution, the final solution, to poverty

          • mr.wiener

            Jin doesn’t have a family tree…It’s more of a wreath really.

          • mr.wiener

            “The cook doesn’t spit”…..just into what he is cooking for you when you aren’t looking.
            Enjoy tonight’s dinner.

          • Jin Ch’in

            My cook aint Chinese..she is Italian and has a catering business in shanghai thanks

          • Zappa Frank

            so basically you’re not living in china.. ok get it.

      • Les Battersby

        life, dear boy. And where are you living now, dear boy, Shanghai is it? You need to get out of that polluted sprawling yuppie pit, find yourself a nice beautiful girlfriend in the hinterlands, I shall pray for you tonight, as she goes down on me.

        • mr.wiener

          I’m now convinced that Jin is either a white guy pretending to be a Xenophobic self-loathing snobish ABC with delusions of grandeur or just and asian guy pulling off an excellent piss-take.
          Suddenly my life has regained clarity and I can see the laughter. Brava Jin!! Bravisimo!!

          • Les Battersby

            I’d agree, most likely one of the two.

          • Shanglow

            But if he were either, why would he keep trying so gawd damn hard ? Also he gets pretty pissed if he perceives an insult to the mainland.

          • mr.wiener

            Think man. It’s part of the act. Desperate for attention, reveling in the hatred he receives, practically masturbating over the negative downvotes. When does he[she?] ever get this much attention in real life?

          • BiffyClanger

            Hey dude whats the link to your blog again?

        • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

          The entire city of Shanghai is a piece of ugly graffiti, a scar on the face of Earth.

      • garbo

        Rich Chinese are just as bad or worse. They are the ones having fights in planes, losing their sh*t on ferries. Acting like they are so important even though they don’t get respect because they have no manners.

      • William Faulkner

        Then surely, you must not be in China.

  • Adam

    they simply need to review their education, if they are used to live in acomplete disorder in their country, they need to go through an educational training of what to do and what to not. if this kid was rich, we can see that he had no manners…and so were his parents… that is a result of
    ignorance+Money, it gives a disaster, such as this kid…and now an uneducated kid has screwed up the image of all the chinese in general…

  • La Mano Gaucha

    Piece of shit motherfucking CHINKS. What good are you? Stay the fuck home. No one wants you. You’re trash.

    • Shanglow

      Ha Ha .. its funny, you ask what good they are while the PC/tablet/mobile phone you are using to type your ironic statement is, in all probability, made in china.

      • ChinaSpit

        Go fuck your mother.

        • Shanglow

          HA .. only those who have no power whatsoever can come up with such sad pathetic insults

          • ChinaSpit

            Actually my reply was going to be this (but I didn’t want to be unkind):
            You mean the components inside the computers that WE westerners have patented, copyrighted, designed, developed and still own? Oh, yeah, that’s it. Thank you for being our SLAVES. It keeps out inventions cheap. Much appreciated.
            Meanwhile, when you back home to get your shoe shine box, be sure to fuck your mother again. Fuck you, CHINK!

          • Shanglow

            Have you been living in a cave till about a couple of hours ago ? Lenovo bought out IBMs PC business, patents, designs et all and is now one of the topmost vendors in the PC market. If your inventions aren’t kept cheap all your companies will go out business tomorrow like apple, best buy, walmart, hp, dell etc, cause if you didn’t realize, the whole frikkin world is in a recession. Why are you so obsessed with the mother thing, look if you are out of a job and cant get quality tail, you can always give yourself a helping hand, buy a nice 1080p made in china panel from your local best buy so you can watch your smut in high def

          • ChinaSpit

            Yes, China is the greatest country in the fucking world. It has the finest, most cultured civilization in the universe. It always was and it will always be. It has invented everything. Without you, the world would not even be here. We owe everything to the chinks. Here’s your fucking money, asswipe… and once again, thank you kindly for being our bitches. I spit on you and all your fucking ancestor to the year dot.

          • Shanglow

            Hey schizo, when did I talk about culture and civilization ? see, thing is, you dont have a single cogent or substantive point to make -so your’e going batshit crazy. BTW, You know the american govt owes a lot of money to china, you might be surprised who is going to be whose bitch.

          • ChinaSpit

            That’s because I’m not looking to offer one single substantive, cogent word to you. All I have for you is hate. Nothing more than raw, naked hate HATE. Understood? You can take your fucking arrogance, your “culture” and your “greatness” and shove it right up your mother’s rotten slit from hence she shitted you. I shit on you and all your fucking brethren. Fuck You.

          • ChinaSpit

            And by the fucking way, you can take that “debt” and insert it where the sun don’t shive, bubba. That song and dance will be ending soon enough. It will *never* be “paid”. Suck on that.

          • Shanglow

            A substantial amount of the debt is in bonds.. right now china gets interest on the bonds & doesn’t need permission of the US to sell the bonds in a secondary market and get its principal back. It is the debtor who’s beholden to the creditor not the other way round. If the US doesn’t honor its debt, its borrowing costs will skyrocket and spending on social welfare for americans will cease to pay china back.

          • Les Battersby

            Wrong, the USA still holds a lot of the playing cards. Close down all the kfcs, mcdonalds, starbucks, walmarts in China, what would all those students do then, become ktv whores or beer bottle openers? Those ayis cleaning at walmart what would they do?

          • Shanglow

            How big will the profits of all the kfcs, mcdonalds, starbucks, walmarts be if they leave china and give up so many customers ? That would be akin to shooting themselves in the foot or even the head. China runs such high current account surpluses, not doing business in china will be suicide.

          • Les Battersby

            Plenty big enough, tell me what jobs all those workers would do? I met a fenqing in shenzhen once who advocated closing the jusco (japanese) supermarket….never mind all the staff were chinese. Twisted logic, and it is the reason why China will never be a advanced country like Japan.

          • Shanglow

            Les, if there are millions of paying customers, multinational companies will always come to fill in the void. BTW what antiquated viewpoints you have, multinational companies don’t owe allegiance to their country of origin. They are only beholden to their shareholders and the bottom line. This was true even during ww2 when coco cola’s german subsidiary kept selling fanta to the nazis. You know what the biggest worry for toyota & honda are right now ? China makes so much stuff for the japanese, if ever they stop, japan will go bankrupt cause it cant hope to make the same products for the same profit with the same quality.

          • Les Battersby

            Well I am a nationalist, and china has made me that way. I will always fight for british interests first, I am not chinese, after all, to use a much quoted line by your countrymen “you are not british, you would not understand!”

          • Shanglow

            Now that youve become a nationalist, for whatever reason, maybe you should stop begrudging chinese nationalists since you can clearly understand their sentiments. Oh and you dont realize this but seems as an added bonus china has sadly made you a hypocrite as well, les

          • Les Battersby

            Not an hypocrite, merely a champion of western exceptionalism. Name one product (not lenovo) that is used in western homes.

          • Shanglow

            I think its not only jin but also the woolwich incident that may be lending you anger & I cant really denounce you for talking about exceptionalism, because the chinese, the japanese and the koreans indulge in it too. But here is the thing – technology has become so complex no one country can master all of it ! For example when apple wanted a retina display for its third generation ipad, it had to rely on a particular patented technology of sharp of japan to make the screen. But the tech was too complex for sharp to make, so both sharp & apple had to rely on LG of korea to finally mass produce the screen. Also ARM holdings of your country exclusively designs the processors used in android & apple phone/tablets, but it cant hope to bring its designs into the physical world without the nanometer scale chip etching tech of a taiwanese (tsmc) & a korean (samsung) company. Similarly china is indispensable for various parts that go into almost all electronics . So in short, without the contribution of the west, asian tech would be no where & without asian tech, the west couldn’t hope to go it alone. But yes I do concede that western designers in the auto industry like peter schreyer & western designers for electronics & IT products are almost indispensable. Oppo is a high end home theatre A/V equipment maker well known amongst US audiophiles BTW

          • Les Battersby

            Agree about your point on japan and korea, but I’d say korea make world leading brands, samsung, for one, good quality no doubt.

          • Alice S

            With all due respect ‘You are not British, you would not understand!’ means that someone is genuinely not understanding something & the one about Chi means that for some odd reason the person is not seeing things that way even thought it is easy to understand.

          • Probotector

            “Well I am a nationalist”
            Really? Me too!

          • James

            well china did exactly that to the us so it’s still an option to consider part of it (roughly half) as chinese payback for debts to the us

          • Shanglow

            umm.. its whence not “hence” hey isn’t english supposed to be your mother tongue ?

          • Les Battersby

            Some of which must be deducted to cover the theft of tech paid for with US dollars from the downed helicopter in pakistan which was stolen by chinese scientists. Don’t pay the US for the stolen technology, the US reduces the debt, or introduces a higher tax on chinese imports. Simples. Claw the money back one way or another, the art of war, no nice guy.

          • Shanglow

            The international bond market doesn’t work that way.. The US can’t behave like a petulant child on the playground. I mean the US cant just take a huge loan from a country and then say “Ha ! Sucker, im now deducting my dues na nah nah na” There are other avenues for the US like trade sanctions, or taking their grievances to WTO, if it can prove beyond doubt that said technology was stolen. Cause you know, its just so unfathomable that a country of one billion people could come up with technology for a frikkin helicopter on their own. BTW les, a spirited debate with me, but nary a word for the neanderthal ChinaSpit, your’e doing a bang up job denouncing bigotry. hatred & racism ! just goes to show where people’s priorities really lie.

          • Les Battersby

            It is not about playing “nice” or by the rules. Countries like China or India simply do not abide by them, being “nice” will get you nowhere in those places. There is also the case of the downed plane in hainan, which the USA could rightfully deduct from any debt. The USA holds all the playing cards, the problem is under Obama, they aren’t able to deal them…yet. If someone like Trump wins the next election things may be different.

          • Shanglow

            no but les, the US cant deduct from any debt because they forfeited that right the moment they accept the money…. Anyway I don’t think the penny has dropped & don’t think it ever will ! You are saying since India & china are rule breakers so the US and/or foreigners doing business there should break rules also ? if after that, a plane is downed in hainan, the chinese must follow the rules or else face repercussions- but then if the US has already broken with precedent & doesn’t follow rules why should anyone else.? You want trump to become president ? the birther clown ? Wasnt georgie the clown enough of a torture to the world for eight long years ? ” the US holds all the playing cards” nice fantasy world you live in.

          • Les Battersby

            they can’t, a tough president with a pair of iron balls in his boxers would. Instead Obama just kowtow’s to the countries that rip the USA off blindly and then laugh about it on the airplane home.

          • Shanglow

            Im still warning you about trump, les, be careful what you wish for, that oaf bankrupted his businesses 4 times no less, a guy with iron balls is another way of saying the guy is an angry, impulsive, dimwit neo con like georgie, cause he did have balls of iron being able to win the elections in 04 after 9/11. But then since he had no brains he was always under the control of cheney, so in the same vein you wont really get trump but trump under the control of his puppet master. Also if you are a conservative, trump will harm brand republican to no end- he s a woman hater & in 2016 he may up against hiliary.

          • mr.wiener

            Trump is a narcissistic fool who’ll be led around by his hairpiece.

          • Probotector

            He is a ruthless businessman, but at least he’ll stand up to China.

          • Shanglow

            This is what trump said about china when hu jintao visited the US –“When people are screwing you, you don’t give ‘em state dinners.” & “What we do is we sit down in my office for a couple of hours, we either make a deal where you stop manipulating your currency or not. If you make a deal, you can have a state dinner if you want. If you don’t make a deal, you take McDonald’s and you go home.”

          • Shanglow

            Yikes I thought you said “for china” not “to china” ha! then your’e right- how naive of me and plus my eyes hurt i need a rest, but I still say trump is bad bad news for everyone

          • Probotector

            So what’s your point?

          • Jin Ch’in

            The US plays by one set of rules and set another for other countries. Like when they needed to bailout the banks..instead of getting a loan they just printed the money not only that the banks didn’t have to repay it! haha but that wasn’t enough so they printed more!

            Oil prices was going up and since Americans have the highest car ownership what did they do? invade oil rich countries and claim its for humanitarian reasons haha

          • mr.wiener

            How come you never have anything to say to people like ChinaSpit?
            The big scary white wacist is too mean for you? Awwww,….. never mind, just go and annoy normal people instead.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Who? and you are anything but normal.
            Its not like i hate you just indifference but what i do not like is how you gang up and try bullied into thinking have having the same opinion as you.

          • mr.wiener

            original question still unanswer…deflector at work, nothing to see here folks.

          • Jin Ch’in

            I think chinaspit is either you , rick or that Kraft guy..Not that creepy Les guy coz hes suffers from dementia wont know what day it is let alone make up many profiles on here.

          • mr.wiener

            So you won’t talk to the scary white wacist because you think he’s really secretly me?…….Oh, that’s a much more reasonable explanation.
            Does this mean Santa was just Jesus, grown old and fat?

          • Jin Ch’in

            I read some of his posts and to be honest i like most of them :)

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Best reply of yours in so many posts.

          • Les Battersby

            Lenovo bought out IBMs PC business, patents, designs et all and is now one of the topmost vendors in the PC market

            But fake iphones, and so on. Buying out a company is not the same as a home grown company, that makes world leading products….just saying.

          • Shanglow

            Real iphones are made in china too… just saying. Business is business, its all about profit and loss & sustainability, how does it matter where the business originated ? Making one’s business thrive in adverse situations also requires innovative thinking

          • Les Battersby

            Making one’s business thrive in adverse situations also requires innovative thinking

            If by this you mean “imitation” instead of “innovation” I don’t agree. I have seen knock off dyson fans in this small town in Sichuan, I felt tempted to ask the owner of the store to ask did he or the factory he got them from pay Dyson/the UK his royalties for so blatantly copying and selling fake knockoffs of his designs?! hmmmmmmmm

          • Shanglow

            NO, by innovation I mean innovation & when I made my statement I had the multi billion dollar lenovo in my mind, not an obscure fan maker from quaint old england. Does dyson spend money on advertising & marketing in china ? has it spent money on setting up service centres staffed with well trained personnel.If so dyson should claim damages- i dont deny that. You know its not like china is not trying to improve at all, IP theft is dealt with faster & more harsly than before. Look man, when are you going to stop acting so high and mighty ? I am not defending the fact that china does a lot of IP theft, but I can understand why its done! There are a billion people here,there’s a huge income inequality gap, they have to do something to survive. When england set on the path of industrialization, it was helped in no small way by all the wealth it sucked from the colonies it forcibly conqured- other countries like china and india don’t have that advantage.

          • Les Battersby

            High and mighty my pale white arse, not ass. Of course they spend money, why can chinese study for free in the UK, and uk students not study for free in China? Grow a pair, and out of yer box.

          • Shanglow

            Why are you taking out your frustration on me les, that is the only deduction I can make when you are going so far off topic. I thought we were having a reasonable gentlemanly debate,if ive said something false, correct me, if you want to use foul language, admit you have nothing constructive to add to the debate and hold your peace, else stay on topic and dont be so testy. I am asking you a simple question les, I agree there is very little protection for IP in china but I am asking you, what do you expect from a country of a billion people ? There are alot of people in china with miniscule income, how are they going to feed themselves & their families if there is going to be unreasonably harsh punishment ? This is not the last time when this question will be asked, a day will come when central & northern africa will become the new china !

          • Les Battersby

            Sorry, jin chiin got me a bit riled. Fair enough, I will take it down a notch, I am sorry.

          • mr.wiener

            WE westerners hmm? The way you are carrying on I’d swear you patented, copyrighted, designed, developed and still owned all that yourself.
            Please take yourself and your charming manners back to the 19th century.

      • Mighty

        “Made in China” only means non-Chinese companies are exploiting your low wage labor. I wouldn’t be so proud of that.

        • Shanglow

          Wages are rising- so is the level of technology. See, once you manufacture something, you need many more supporting or ancillary industries to supply you, which are mostly local SMBs so the wealth & know how DOES spread around and competencies are gained. Rise in standard of living, progress these things are slow and steady

          • wafflestomp

            As wages rise companies leave. Why do you think the govt keeps the yuan so worthless?

          • Mighty

            Yeah, the Yuan is constantly being devaluated.

          • Shanglow

            Maybe the foreign companies will move, but local companies gain. On the whole china is moving up the tech food chain, just as korea did – which foolish person expected china to remain a low cost producer forever ? There are also some industries in which even if wages rise much more, the company still cant leave china just simply because the logistics of moving out of china will be a nightmare, as ive said before, you cant just move, say, a car factory out of china, you will need to transplant all the various suppliers as well.

          • Mighty

            It will be a very interesting ‘wait and see’. On a related note, the region doesn’t want to see a strong China. Singapore’s founder, Lee Kuan Yew, publicly said a strong China is ‘arrogant’.

          • Shanglow

            Sometimes if a country gains momentum, its very hard for progress to stop cause things will start snowballing, just a few years ago china was an also ran in the ship building industry, today it is the largest ship producer in the world. In the business world, arrogance is shunned, its only the political theatrics that give an illusion of china being “arrogant”

          • Mighty

            I agree with the momentum. But there are already signs of slowing down. Maybe ‘arrogance’ is perceived by the weak?

          • Shanglow

            Yeah the economy is slowing down for sure, but if and when the world comes out of recession, china will be the first to bounce back & china doesn’t only have a large export market, china itself is a market of 1.4 billion consumers, so structurally at least, china is well poised to weather the storm. Below all the bluster, who’s really got time to be arrogant ? everyone is just concerned about saving enough money for the future and snatching as much happiness from the jaws of monotony as one can!

          • Mighty

            That’s why I think arrogance is ‘perceived’ by the weak.

          • Dave

            Got a source on that?

          • Mighty
          • Alice S

            I totally agree. But only when its enemy is Japps & the nuclear bomb is put to use.

          • garbo

            Koreans get a better education so they could develop their businesses and technology. They can innovate, Chinese can’t.

          • Shanglow

            Dont kid yourself- its not education, its not genes, its not the kimchi, – The korean strong man Park Chung Hee gave cheap loans to the chaebol , subsidized a lot of their operations & kept the local korean market highly regulated, by only allowing the produce of chaebol to be sold there. So chaebol made massive profits and grew quickly. Then for long time korean labor was cheap as was korean won, so chaebol made even more massive profits, now chaebol are so strong that they can put lots of money in R&D and become very innovative. Yes korean people are very educated but population is only 50 million & population of china is 1 billion, so there is huge difference. But in education in shanghai is world class & is improving rapidly elsewhere. In 8-10 years china will over take korea in TV, car manufacturing, DRAM, NAND, SoC production, it has already beaten korea in ship making. Lot of innovation will come from china also!

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Subsidization is what runs the budget off the walls. Don’t think there won’t be repercussions to this way of business. You may be right about the chinese producing more due to demands of jobs and offers of cheap labor.

          • Mighty

            One reason why many US companies are bringing manufacturing back to the States. China’s economic growth has slowed and will be facing unemployment soon. The bubble is starting to burst.

          • Shanglow

            one swallow does not a summer make

        • Jin Ch’in

          Your face is “made in China” and looking at your FOB look i would say from a very poor dirty Vag factory.

          • Mighty

            I looked in the mirror this morning and my face is still intact. If it were ‘Made in China’ it would be showing cracks, chips, faded color, etc, all the traits that you posses, you “Conceived in China” fatherless bastard.

      • steve his58

        exactly mate.

        • socali

          ur dumb

    • Dave

      Seriously, who upvotes these?

      Poking fun at others can be fun, and complaining about things you can’t change is always fun.

      But straight up racism? Why?

      • Shanglow

        Thank god almighty, at last a person with a fair modicum of humanity & an intact sense of right and wrong !!!!

      • moody

        we are being invaded by Egyptian hateful trolls
        pathetic

    • mr.wiener

      …said the unknown guest.

      • Shanglow

        seriously mr. weiner, other than you, dave & maybe linette & mighty IDK who else is fit to be called human beings..Ha HA, this place is the very embodiment of hell on earth and ive seen that with my own two eyes. Now I know how kate must’ve felt.

        • mr.wiener

          Welcome to China[smack]

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      Guest is a fag.

  • Jin Ch’in

    Chinese travellers are now the biggest source of international tourism cash in the world..well there’s always some downside to all the money jobs and profit these Chinese are giving back to the world.

    • SixAces

      I’m sure money is EVERYTHING. How about a tourist from some other
      country etched something on to something that is culturally important to
      you?

      Money is not everything, countries could earn money without having items of cultural significance vandalized by idiots.

      Is it alright if I give you $50 and then let me vandalize your home?

      • Jin Ch’in

        you are not talking about afew thousand people..millions and millions of Chinese are traveling all over the world spending billions of RMB. OK so a few people have created trouble but Chinese are not the only country that have such people. If you want to shit on this guy fine but why bring the whole of china into it?

        • SixAces

          Was I bringing in the whole country into this? What I’m opposing is the fact that you pretty much wrote it off cause tourism brings money.

          Which translates to “it’s okay because I bring in money to you guys, so don’t mind me while I make a mess of your place.”

          Someone else doing it doesn’t justify it. Someone is jumping off a 7 story building right now…you should too.

    • Mighty
      • Jin Ch’in

        Mighty..you have that FOB look (fresh off the boat) so why you like shitting on your own lower peasant class so much? seems you should be defending your fellow FOB.

        • Mighty

          For you to say that is just comical. I thought clowns just act stupid.

      • James

        interesting article, but did you read the comment by “britishpal” the one who spelled “behavior” as an american, not a brit, would? I’m sure they’re really british & not chinese & I’m sure a lot of those anon comments are legit

        • Mighty

          The article was written for the US readers so I’m sure the Editors saw to it that all the u’s are dropped from ‘our’, ‘s’ replaced by ‘z’ in ‘ize’, and reverse ‘re’ to ‘er’.

          • James

            in quotes, wouldn’t think so.

          • Mighty

            It’s still ver batim, same word and meaning but in American-English spelling.

  • Johnny Wu

    No one wants mainland Chinese in their country. Too dirty, too rude, too unsophisticated. We do love the Japanese!

    • wacky

      really who the fuck are you

      • Jannick Slavik

        @91742761b2bdc3a6aa02635196de0e00:disqus

        remember, this place is loaded with loser expats who think they are the pinnacle of civilization.

        It’s hilarious to read

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