13-Year-Old Chinese Girl Murders Classmate for Being Prettier

A knife to kill.

From NetEase:

13-Year-Old Girl Murders and Dismembers Classmate for Being Prettier Than Her

From Xinhua.net Guangxi Channel May 6 news, a girl not yet 13 years old and still in 6th grade invited her classmate to her home and murdered her, hacking off her head and arms and bagging them out of resentment of her being prettier than herself. Recently, Guangxi Hechi City Intermediate People’s Court pronounced its final judgment: The defendant’s parents is to compensate the plaintiff 108,000 yuan for all sorts of expenses.

As it’s written in the court’s judgement, the 13-year-old girl surnamed Zhou studied at Nandan County Lihu Yao Ethnicity Village Renguang Elementary School, where she and the less-than-13-year-old girl surnamed Qin were classmates in 6th grade. They were good friends, and their families were neighbors on the same street, their houses less than 150 meters away from each other. Qin became envious of Zhou and started to hate her because her classmates liked to play with Zhou and used to say that she was fat and was not as pretty as Zhou.

The judgement shows that on the evening of 2012 April 10, Qin invited Zhou over to play. After Zhou arrived at Qin’s home and while the two were watching TV, Qin smashed a wooden stool over Zhou’s head and knocked her unconscious as Zhou was playing with her cell phone with her head down. For fear of Zhou telling teachers and parents upon regaining consciousness, she assaulted Zhou with a kitchen knife, a beer bottle, a paper knife, a pair of scissors and other murder instruments she found at home, causing Zhou to die at the scene. Then Qin even chopped off Zhou’s head and arms, put them into plastic bags, and cleaned the blood from the scene of the crime.

Guangxi Police determined that the defendant Qin committed intentional homicide [murder], but because she has not reached the age of 14 when she was committed the crime, she would not be held criminally liable in accordance with the law, and that Qin would be rehabilitated for 3 years. Zhou’s parents filed a lawsuit in court, where the Guangxi Nandan County People’s Court ruled that in addition to the 10,000 yuan that Qin’s parents had already compensated the plaintiff, they must compensate the plaintiff another 98,000 yuan. Zhou’s parents were unsatisfied, and appealed.

Recently, the Guangxi Hechi City Intermediate People’s Court’s final judgment affirmed the original judgment.

Comments from NetEase:

屠龙术 [网易吉林省四平市网友]:

After the rehabilitation, she should be locked up in an asylum permanently.

花花正在减肥中 [网易广东省广州市网友]:

All the pretty girls, hurry and kneel before me and thank me for not killing you.

网易安徽省黄山市手机网友 ip:117.69.*.*: (responding to above)

[I] just spotted a fat sister.

花花正在减肥中 [网易广东省广州市网友]: (responding to above)

I’m not fat, I’m just not too obviously slim. Humph!

容易喷 [网易广东省深圳市网友]: (responding to above)

Stop losing weight, brother [referring to the person himself] will have you.

屠龙术 [网易吉林省四平市网友]:

Kill a person and only have to compensate 100,000 yuan? This court sure is kind/merciful.

寂寞的白杨树 [网易黑龙江省大庆市网友]:

Only 13 years old yet already so vicious! She should be locked up in an asylum for the rest of her life!

强拆队大队长 [网易四川省乐山市网友]:

Going to school nowadays is so dangerous, you need to watch out when drinking water, you need to be careful when one of your classmates has a little hammer, and it’s better not to interact with the ugly ones.

网易河南省郑州市网友 ip:218.29.*.*:

“…but because she has not reached the age of 14 when she was committed the crime, she would not be held criminally liable in accordance with the law, and that Qin would be rehabilitated for 3 years.”—Only 13 years old and already so inhuman, she will definitely become a scum of society in the future. As long as one has killed another, they must pay with their life no matter how old they are! What kind of bullshit rule is this, so what if one hasn’t reached 14 years old, so what if one hasn’t reached 18 years old? One must pay with his/her life as long as he/she has killed someone! The law should stipulate this to be in accordance with common sense!!! This young and already this vicious, what’s the point of keeping her around?

内阁总理大臣李鸿章 [网易山东省济南市网友]: (responding to above)

The laws of China only protect the criminals, instead of protecting the victims.
The laws of China are made by stupid cunts.
In some states of America, the standard for committing a crime is 8 years old. These stupid cunt LD in China are determined not to make an amendment. Why?

旪落無聲 [网易上海市网友]:

Everyone… what’s the significance of 13?

网易广东省东莞市网友 ip:121.12.*.*: (responding to above)

Still a virgin.

Comments from iFeng:

凤凰网广东省广州市白云区网友 cgcc123:

What will she become when she’s grows up?

凤凰网四川省成都市网友 cao1982:

A twisted society has made 12-13-year-old girls become monsters!

凤凰网河北省邯郸市网友 djbsx:

My own theory is like this: The father’s own child took her classmate home, he saw the pretty girl, raped her and murdered her, and lied that it was his own child who murdered and dismembered her for resenting her beauty, so he could use a loophole in China’s law to get away with the crime, and then take care of the problem by giving money. It’s my own theory, do you think it’s reasonable?

凤凰网上海市网友 amlen:

Murdering and dismembering a person at the age of 13…
I think with a crime like this, it’s better to pursue criminal liability.
Look at the Hikari Case.

凤凰网北京市网友 手机用户:

With such a strong sense of envy, she’ll be no good when she grows up as well.

凤凰网重庆市网友 zerozxh:

Worse than a beast. Recommend directly putting her to death. When a family raises this kind of child, she will just become a danger to society in the future.

凤凰网北京市网友 手机用户:

108,000 yuan! [This] will not bring back the life of a pretty little girl, nor will it soothe the trauma on her parents’ souls! In people’s eyes, the murderous girl has already become a terrifying devil! Nightmares will accompany her for the rest of her life, until she loses her mind and gets hit by a car and dies.

凤凰网中国网友 手机用户:

My God! Too frightening! Only 13 years old yet able to be so ruthless, and even dismembering the body! Education toward juveniles must strengthened!

凤凰网陕西省宝鸡市网友 女人lf:

My god, this 13-year-old girl is way too cruel! How have her parents been raising her??? This kind of self-righteous children are all the result of their parents’ normally spoiling them! The compensation is too low!!!

凤凰网中国网友 手机用户:

Is this a tragedy of this 13-year-old girl??? It’s a tragedy of the society!!!

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  • The Acidic Hasidic

    this is pretty fucked up. also sofa.

    • James

      sorry dude the sofa is unclean & you are now impure

      ask billy

      • mr.wiener

        He’s very slow today, you think his outrage has ebbed?

    • Klove

      The sofa is good for smoking, and fag air is good for killing germs, every foreigner should smoke imho

      • The Enlightened One

        LoL “Fag air is good for killing germs….”

        Sometimes British English is hilarious.

        • Klove

          Look at all the pollution around from cars and factories, no a bit of cig air is good….you don’t read of Mr Robinson of 5, Hillcrest View, killed 1 million people by smoking his benson and hedges at lunch now do you?!

          • The Enlightened One

            Oh I agree, I just find the phrase “fag air” to be hilarious when used with the other meaning lol.

          • Klove

            Lol, should have used cig air then, rofl

  • http://www.facebook.com/renda.zhang Renda Zhang

    Crazy!

  • RaphaeI

    where the hell are the pics? how are we supposed to evaluate whether the 13 y.o. murderess had a point or not?

    • carmouflagger

      Exactly

  • JohnnyComeLately

    Finally! Catching up with the West. Well done, China.

  • rollin wit 9′s

    If this is not settled properly, the 13-yr old girl might grow up like Ichi the Killer.

  • Rick in China

    Most fucked up part is the court gives the parents 110k RMB and thinks “Ok..go home happy folks”… WOW.

    I had to pay a fat loser 40k (more than 1 year of his salary) for an already-ugly nose which he couldn’t even without a doubt prove I had broken. That’s apparently more than 1/3 of a little girls’ life.

    There’s also a major issue with the law where under 14 has no criminal liability. It’s murder. Bump the m’fer up. This is why seedy fuckers train kids to do crime on their behalf….

    • James

      can you explain o r elaborate on your last paragraph? I’m unfamiliar w it.

      chinese fagans

      • Rick in China

        The article states that under the age of 14 can’t hold criminal liability for crimes.

        Lots of thieving groups buy up countryside kids and train them to commit crimes in their little kid gangs – exactly, Chinese Fagin :D

        • James

          thanks,

        • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

          I agree, its disgusting. Its why I never give money to beggars- don’t fuel their satanism (small “s”)

    • Klove

      40 thousand rmb? A rich guy had to pay me 10 thousand rmb once because he tried to run me off the road in his fancy black car on my scooter (video evidence was in my favour) to settle it. I agree there is something seriously broken about the kid being under 14 and being able to get away with it.

      • Rick in China

        Yeah – he hit me with his car while I was walking across a cross walk, trying to overtake a taxi while turning right.. then drove off. I caught up to him in traffic and “an incident” occurred through his window. 1 year on bail and 40k rmb to him – not to mention *massive* lost wages and lawyer fees, apparently can’t renew work visa while on bail :D < To cut the story short.

        • Klove

          Sorry to hear…what an obnoxious a-hole. It begs the question, what if laowai is 50 something divorcee with not even so much as 4k rmb in the bank, then what?!

          • Rick in China

            Prison/Deportation I suppose :D

          • James

            what if the home cuntry won’t take him back like the gongfei won’t take back lots of their scum that go to the us

          • Klove

            I think they would be in a lot of shit upon landing at the airport, even if just to recover the costs of being deported from China (I think the US state department may be billed, not sure?!)

          • Rick in China

            Deportation here in most cases basically means they give you an exit visa with a 15 day limit in which you *must* leave, or face even larger penalty/problem.. it’s a visa with a * over the duration, dates, etc.. and says “Requested to leave the country within 15 days”…

          • James

            right now the us is paying to detain these people or letting them out (one whacko killed & mutilated a girl recently) because .cn won’t take them back

          • Klove

            Reminds me of some idiots I knew in Israel who decided to throw stones at Israeli police cars as they thought they would get deported. They didn’t and got imprisoned and/or had to work to pay off the damage, or got arrested upon arrival for criminal damage and the flight cost and so on.

          • Klove

            Indeed, like many of those aging 50/60 something lotharios at the bookworm in Chengdu with their young eye candy propping them up and trying not to look bored, while they are talking about their grand plans over 20rmb bottles of tsingtao, bet the cute studentess waitresses serving them, possibly have more saved in the bank :D

          • Rick in China

            I doubt they’re the ones who would do what I did though, 1) they wouldn’t turn into the hulk and sprint 150 meters after a car driving off (after being hit, with a split open right hand and softened leg/ass) :D

            I took a photo of my hand immediately after, when I walked off after he was crying/apologizing, a boxer’s fracture and a few cuts on pinky finger from where his mirror busted off.. surprised I could still make a fist. That was part of my argument though, obviously I couldn’t make a fist with a fractured hand, but the court wasn’t hearing any of it.

            And thus, we move on.. life is full of excitement..

          • Klove

            True, life moves on, and pretty fast too. Glad you managed to avoid getting booted out.

          • Rick in China

            I got booted out. Even though the court/PSB said it’s no problem, just go to HK and get my visa renewed. Nope – HK told me to go back to Canada.

            Went to the consulate in Vancouver, the lady at the desk said 95% chance I’ll have to wait 6 months, she was almost in tears when she came back from her boss’ office to tell me that for some reason. I explained I have a house/wife/cats/etc here, and my business is on this side of the world….she said write some explanation/basically beg on paper, she’ll submit it…. She musta done some mad convincing, called me on the ferry from Vancouver > Victoria and said, good news or bad news? I said both, she said, well, good news is you can get your visa – I asked what the bad news was… she said, no bad news, I was just f’in with you.

            Was great to be back in a country where even people who work at that type of office have a good sense of humor :D

          • Klove

            Thanks for the story, I guess the lesson the older, poorer, bereft expats in China (not just Sichuan!) can take from it IS: if you haven’t got the resources to PAY the piper, then do NOT PLAY with the piper?! It all sounds very hairy and I am glad you got through it and were able to come back.

  • James

    nothing more sadistic than junior high chicks

    • fabulous

      Cats.

  • Sean Cauffiel

    Poor Zhou girl didn’t even get to start her life….

  • lin

    I can relate to her hatred. Although I understand where she’s coming from, being an ugly person myself, this is seriously fucked up when she HACKED her to death.

    • James

      I like your candor

  • http://twitter.com/RobrickG Robrick Guarin

    Tsk tsk. Not everyone will survive social pressure…

  • vincent

    I seem to remember that an individual got a lengthy jail term for taking extra money that a malfunctioning ATM had erroneously dispensed, and in this case a murder leads to a sentence to pay the paltry sum of 100k yuan and 3 years ‘rehabilitation’?
    Way to prioritize China.

    • James

      cool brah triple face palm, that’ll tell em

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      As per par the course, once netizen outrage fills teh internets as is the case for Zhu Ling right now, then the wheels of justice will finally turn.

      This, of course, is not justice but just “letting the proles let off steam to prevent a boiling pot”.

      • ScottLoar

        The White House has received more than 100,000 petitioners about this case and is obliged to respond. One Sun Wei, the suspect in this case, has been in the US for the last 19 years.

    • GatsbyC

      “Way to prioritize China.”
      *Facepalm

      • vincent

        Well I would guess that I missed a comma after the word prioritize? If so my bad, English isn’t my mother-tongue :P

        • GatsbyC

          No. It was because of the leap from observing an imbalance in the justice system to China isn’t prioritizing.

          • vincent

            I’m not sure if your sentence is worded properly and I would guess you wanted to use the word generalize perhaps, in any case this is not the first hiccup in the justice system.
            A few examples of gaping flaws in the justice system would be the lack of a good Samaritan law, no laws or services protecting children from abuse, in some road accidents victims have been killed by the perpetrators because the latter saw that as the more favorable outcome.
            There is of course the rampant forced evictions, I’ve even heard of cases of police brutality in my wife’s hometown and the list goes on, so you can tell someone else that the justice system in China is fine.

          • GatsbyC

            Okay I’ll rephrase.

            I don’t agree that inequity in the Chinese justice system means CHINA ISNT PRIORITIZING.

          • vincent

            The justice system lays the groundwork for the way society operates as a whole by providing laws that should be followed and adequate punishment for those who break the laws.
            Shouldn’t the presence of a ‘well oiled’ justice system be one of the highest priorities, would like to hear what you think should be the ranking of China’s priorities or better yet examples of it’s ‘prioritizing’.
            The ripple effect caused by the case involving the Nanjing judge is just an example of how a flawed justice system can have unfavorable consequences.

          • GatsbyC

            What either of us think should be prioritized doesn’t matter. Just because you believe improving the justice system is important doesn’t mean China does.

            China has been doing things no doubt and so must be prioritizing things.

            Off the top of my head: Economic growth, territorial disputes, improving infrastructure, expanding the services industry, improving the social safety net, manipulating public opinion.

            The justice system only needs to work at a basic level to keep China operating and moving towards these goals.

          • Rick in China

            You’re missing a key social concept. A justice system that doesn’t function as intended, ie. doesn’t provide justice to the populace, is historically and logically linked to social unrest. Social unrest disrupts ALL other endeavors the government may be engaged in.

            In other words, a broken justice system is very high risk, a catalyst for social collapse. Economic growth and territorial disputes become irrelevant when social collapse is imminent – and that’s a real risk.

          • vincent

            I’m not sure if GatsbyC was trolling so I decided not to reply especially when he mentioned ‘manipulating public opinion’ as a priority in such a blase manner, but you’ve provided a great answer that will hopefully make him/her understand the importance of a functional justice system.

          • GatsbyC

            Gross injustices have and continue to happen everywhere.
            Yet nations still stand.

          • vincent

            Gross injustices are perversions of the justice system, the problem here lies in a perverted justice system, do you see the difference? Noone said China is going to collapse, but there will be resentment towards the governing powers for their lackluster policies.
            I’m also fairly certain that should a ‘gross injustice’ befall you, God forbid, I’ll hear you sing a different tune.

          • GatsbyC

            You don’t understand. I’ve said multiple times I agree there is injustice in China.

            I’m also fairly certain if a monkey should perchance penetrate you, one can only think, you might probably most likely perhaps scream.

          • vincent

            Unfortunately my point still seems to be going over your head, I’m not talking about the injustice itself, it’s more towards the need for reform in that area.
            As much as you would like to think that the economic progress of China is paramount, you also have to realize that only the minority would benefit from it, for example factory owners and so on, what about those who work for low wages, I would think there is resentment enough without having the justice system working against them.
            There will always be differences in the population such as the disparity between the rich and poor, differences in culture, color, religion and so on.
            Having a justice system that caters equally to all regardless of these differences is paramount, so for you to say that the justice system is not important or a basic one is sufficient for a country as large and diverse as China is wrong.
            Also let’s not indulge in thinly veiled insults to each other, it’s infantile behavior.

          • GatsbyC

            Sure, I agree improving the justice system and improving its enforcement would benefit the population as a whole.

            But… you’re still rephrasing the same argument.

            Also you started it. nyahnyahnyahnyah booboo

          • Rick in China

            Economies slow down. That’s inevitable. When China can no longer tout being the world’s low cost manufacturer, where are the jobs and massive foreign capital going to come from? The rapidly growing economy is surely appeasing the masses, but when it slows, there are less eyes thwarted by the ‘great economy’ and more eyes begin to focus on social problems. A broken justice system *can* lead to social unrest. There is a storm brewing, you just don’t see it yet… who knows whether the captains can steer clear or not, time will tell.

          • GatsbyC

            You said: “A broken justice system *can* lead to social unrest.”

            I don’t see it coming because the one claiming it’s coming hasn’t convinced me it’s happening yet.

            Nothing you say changes the fact nations that had systemic gross injustices according to today’s moral standards have COLLAPSED throughout history due to said injustice.

            Aren’t we all metaphorical captains sailing our own ships into the great unknown that is life? Free to sail the open seas and find our own path? Doom awaits us at every turn! One can only hope righteousness will prevail.

          • Klove

            A lot has already moved to Vietnam, and more will continue to do so. Add in inflation year by year,,,and pfffttt!!!!

          • fabulous

            I’d just like to say that if Vincent chooses to stop replying to your comments it doesn’t mean that you have won the argument.

          • mr.wiener

            Shhhh! let him think he’s won.

          • GatsbyC

            Give him some time he just needs to organize the thoughts together.

            Feel free to contribute any of your ideas in the mean time.

          • vincent

            Ah no thanks, I made my point and it seems it got through to you as well, you made comments like this initially “Just because you believe improving the justice system is important doesn’t mean China does.” and this “The justice system only needs to work at a basic level to keep China operating and moving towards these goals.”
            You then went on to say this towards the end of our delightful discourse “Sure, I agree improving the justice system and improving its enforcement would benefit the population as a whole.”

            I don’t really have anything else to prove, and as long as your perceptions have changed ever so slightly, to end my argument all I have to say is if a governments duty is not the betterment of the society it governs, then they are about as useful as a hole in the head.

          • GatsbyC

            The quotes you took out are not conflicting.

            Improving justice would benefit the Chinese. Agree.
            China currently does not prioritize justice. Agree?

            Then we moved on to:
            In its current state, the justice system in China will not lead to collapse of the state. You disagreed.

            I’m happy to leave our conversation here.

          • vincent

            Agreed that China does not prioritize justice, but the fact that you agree with it is not ok. End of argument.

          • GatsbyC

            “What either of us think should be prioritized doesn’t matter. Just because you believe improving the justice system is important doesn’t mean China does.”

            It’s like 20 posts up.

            On a new note, our personal beliefs are an entirely new argument.

          • vincent

            ” The justice system only needs to work at a basic level to keep China operating and moving towards these goals.” That’s 21 posts up.

          • GatsbyC

            Are you saying China doesn’t have a basic justice system in place?

          • vincent

            Oh it does, a basically retarded system, you would only know if you lived here, the traffic rules are a joke, you get thrown into jail far longer for financial crimes of a petty nature rather than more serious ones like murder.
            You can’t help someone in need without worrying about them turning around to sue you, the list goes on, and if you’re poor forget about justice, that is a privileged reserved for the rich.

          • GatsbyC

            “Oh it does.”

            Okay then.

          • vincent

            Do you like picking cherries?

          • Rick in China

            You talk about the Chinese justice system a lot. I’ve been in it – for a year of my life, first hand. I can tell you that every step of the process I was encouraged to bribe people and everything would be faster/easier. EVERY step of the way. The longer along in the process, the higher the bribes “encouraged” were. In the actual court, there was absolutely no logic or conclusive evidence to support the prosecutor, I was elated and very happy with how it went. 3 months later, still no result, still on bail waiting – the judge contacted my lawyer, said he “encouraged” me to settle the civil portion out of court, so the negotiations began and that part went away. Once that went away, the following week, it finally finished.

            If this is an example of a sufficient legal system, I guess your concept of justice is different than mine. That’s all.

          • GatsbyC

            After said injustice did you rouse the rabble or continue on with your life?

            You’re still in China right.

          • Rick in China

            With some difficulty and a lot of lost income/cost, yes.

            Next time I’ll consider giving up my principals and doing what was suggested – red envelope it.

          • vincent

            Yep we can’t have nice things in China, how much longer will you be in China Rick?

          • Rick in China

            Hopefully less than a year – when baby pops out can’t have them sucking up this cloud we call air on a day to day…

          • James

            Any help from a Canadian consulate?

          • Rick in China

            An e-mail saying it’s a private matter and there’s nothing they can do, aside from offer a suggested list of lawyers.. in other words, no, they’re useless in this type of situation..

          • James

            that’s very nice of them, not thinking of cntracts instead of their ciitzens. I’m sorry to hear it. You’ve been %&$#.

          • Klove

            Too true. Yesterday I went on a buying trip to a rural area of Sichuan. There was a factory making agricultural chemicals pumping out emissions like it was on overdrive from the chimney. Eyes were stinging and the stench was in my nostrils, even another foreigner with me noted it. We asked how people can eat, live, breathe around that plant…and got nonplussed looks, yes I’m a bit of an open toed sandal tree hugger, but noone wants to breathe crappy air, now am I right , or am I right? Good luck on the nipper!

          • Rick in China

            It’s a really tough problem – I mean, stringent emission standards means hard production hit, hard production hit means massive blow to the economy – which is essentially (still) the backbone of the economy in China.. I guess since the media hasn’t really been so rough on the environment people are kept in the dark about how harmful it is to a healthy longevity, and most people while they also complain about the air being terrible, are happy enough living in short-term visions of consistent improvement on the average (visible) daily lifestyle.

            For adults, for short-term stays, for people who can leave when they need/want to – it’s all good. I feel bad for the people who will have no means to leave, and spend a few decades living in an ever growing dense cloud of smog..and even worse for the babies who are introduced into the world with a smack in the face in the form of respiratory diseases. I guess the real effects of the pollution will be much more visible in the coming years, but for now, absolutely not the kinda place you want your baby to be born into if you have the option :D

          • Les Battersby

            You make some valid points, and ones that are worthy of discussion. I think the air is going to get worse, before it gets any better, and I reckon Chengdu is not as badly off as other cities in this regard, ie, beijing, guangzhou. Good luck with the move back to Canada, if that is indeed on where you are planning.

          • Rick in China

            You’d be surprised. Actually GuangZhou has better average air quality than Chengdu according to US consulate measurements. I would have absolutely thought GuangZhou to be one of the worst, ‘well known’ to be a manufacturing city and last decade probably known around China to be a really dirty f’in place, I went through once about 8 years ago and never wanted to go through GuangZhou again – always straight to ShenZhen for no more than 3 days and off to HK/Macau. Chengdu, these days, is one of the worst ‘upper tier’ cities – Beijing is usually worse but that’s not a guarantee..there are a few cities that are just horrible, but have basically nothing but manufacturing/chemicals going on, spewing rainbow colours into the air/rivers without media attention.

            Plan is Canada, indeed. There are few places in the world I’ve seen as beautiful as the west coast. I’ve lived in Sichuan for almost 10 years, and never been to JiuZhaiGou – from the photos, I know a place that’s just as beautiful about 30 minutes from Victoria, up in Sooke Potholes, where you can climb down and nobody is around, can swim (naked if you want) under waterfalls in drinkable clear water.. so wtf, why not go back to a politically/socially stable country with fresh air and free quality healthcare/schooling for the kid(s).

            Only reason I’d go back truly is for my soon to be baby(ies), though. I’m an adventurer at heart, have made a point to travel the road less traveled (like a public bus across east africa, or sailing in a catamaran around galapagos) but once my DNA is in another life – priority is no longer personal experiences and wonder but more-so how can I make sure this kid grows up reasonably well.

          • Les Battersby

            Interesting, will do some reading up on that. I have been to beijing once and the evidence is irrefutable, upon showing photos back home, no way can the locals call it a foggy city.

          • Rick in China

            Just google “China AQI” and you’ll see tons of info… if you have an iphone (not sure about android equiv app) appstore search the same and you can get an app that will let you add various cities and see their current pollution index based on both domestic and (if available) US consulate standards..

            I grew up in an AQI that never breached 10, these days in Chengdu 300 is normal, the little I know about biology/chemistry lets me know that each year here is fucking up my old age :D

          • Les Battersby

            Cheers, will have a look for an android version.

          • SonofSpermcube

            Emphasis on FEW decades.

          • SonofSpermcube

            “We asked how people can eat, live, breathe around that plant”

            Briefly, most likely
            .

          • Echo

            The main problem with your baby is not that it will be sucking up poisonous fumes but the fact that it will be a mixed race mutt with no heritage or culture.

          • Rick in China

            Ah, good point – I never thought of that. Guess we better abort asap.

          • Echo

            You’d probably be doing the mutt a favor by aborting it. There are countless stories about mutts feeling they fail to belong, feeling ostracized, suffering racism from both sides. Eurasian mutts don’t seem to succeed in life very well, I know that the females are famous as pornographic actresses in japan.

          • Rick in China

            I can sense the pain in your words. Did mommy and daddy not love you enough? Projecting your own hate for life via internet posting? It’s ok, cupcake, not everyone in the world is out to get you. When you wake up and look in the mirror – think about your posts, think about the true source of all that hate, realize it’s because you know, deep down — that you’re a piece of shit human being, who unfortunately wasn’t aborted by your own parents…and are now stuck milling about in a world that rejects your awkward social and mental abnormalities in a way that only brings you deeper into your depression. Maybe one day you’ll grow a pair, and succeed in ending your painful existence yourself.

          • Germandude

            “Did mommy and daddy not love you enough?”
            Exactly wrong. They did love him too long. At least daddy did.

          • Echo

            Seems like I hit a nerve. Tell me, how desperate where you to fly all the way to China to find a third world wife?
            Since you couldn’t attract a woman of your own socio-economic standing, how do you think that reflects on your quality as a mate? Quite poorly.

            You haven’t denied my comments on mixed race mutts so surely you understand that what I say is true.
            My personal opinion is that eurasian mutts look extremely strange for the most part. Well it’s your progeny and if you want to ruin it, that’s your prerogative.

          • Rick in China

            Thankfully, nobody cares for your personal opinion – troll more son, it’s amusing.

          • Les Battersby

            Don’t.feed.the.troll echo, I’d say it is a wumao brigade member posting but the english seems a bit too good for that.

          • 五毛Partay!

            I think he’s 100% right, Chinese scientists have proven that by diluting Chinese pure 5000 year of cultural stagnation into a mixed-race baby it makes their noses less flat and their eyes less round, which is not how a beautiful person looks. Can you imagine an entire nation of mixed races? How unsuccessful that would be economically and socially!!! That nation probably couldn’t even control it’s media or censor its dissidents!

          • Germandude

            So are we understanding correctly that you consider yourself to being a product of 5000 years of heritage and culture?

          • Les Battersby

            That’s a bit a-hole ish to someone you have never met. Who rattled your cage?

          • vincent

            Out of curiosity do you live in China?

          • GatsbyC

            Yes

          • Rick in China

            “Then we moved on to: In its current state, the justice system in China will not lead to collapse of the state. You disagreed.”

            That’s fortunetelling.

            Historically, looking at the FACTORS that have led to empires and social collapse, a broken justice system and gigantifuckinnormous wealth disparity are conjoined twins. It’s ignorant of you to say “a broken justice system will not lead to collapse of the state”, absolutely, and there is no evidence to back that sort of claim up. The counter-argument, however, has history on it’s side. Next.

          • GatsbyC

            You’re setting up a straw man.

            I never said it was broken. It is unjust relative to first world standards. I said it has worked for Chinese leaders at the very least. It is sufficient for the moment.

          • ScottLoar

            “(G)igantifuckinnormous wealth disparity” ?

            The US has a gini coefficient of 0.469, China’s is 0.47.

          • Germandude

            ” The top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country’s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth

            The same picture can be drawn for Germany and most other European countries. (haven’t checked it, but China will be the same, I am sure)

            The gini coefficient is just another tool for statisticians and politicians to brainwash people and to fog the truth.

            The really funny thing about all this is that 99% of the people are fighting to improve their standard. One side will fight for “Socialism” and the other for “Capitalism”. Meanwhile, the top 1% is laughing and enjoys free entertainment.

          • ScottLoar

            I brought up the gini coefficient to counter the bugaboo of unequal wealth distribution.

          • Rick in China

            What’s your point? We’re not talking about the USA.

            The wealth disparity in the US is a hot topic issue. There are numerous differences – namely a (although arguably not so great) social welfare system and legal system where you’re actually able to sue when you’re wronged with some hope at a fair verdict.

          • ScottLoar

            My point is not vague; both China and the US share the same gini coefficient, meaning both qualify for “gigantifuckinnormous wealth disparity” (your phrase).

            About the other point, my mind well discriminates between inequality and inequity, I don’t need to watch you stumbling through it.

          • Rick in China

            You’re neither arguing a point I’m making, nor making a new point related to the conversation in this thread. Aside from attempting to look like a douche, I see no value to your comments. Good job, you got me!

          • vincent

            I chose to stop replying because I can’t argue with crazy, as evidenced by his final battle cry of ‘nyahnyahnyahnyah booboo’

          • GatsbyC

            I’m glad you stopped replying because I don’t want to talk with a pedophile like you any longer.

            Ad hominems.

          • vincent

            haha pedophile eh, very original

          • GatsbyC

            yeah you’re a degenerate

          • mr.wiener

            Always nice to see an argument end in such a mature way.

          • James

            Joey, you like movies about gladiators?

            no reference to your avatar,

            seriously

            really

            honest

          • mr.wiener

            Gladiators? No.

            I have been in a Turkish prison though.

          • linette lee

            Gross injustices continue to happen in China and that is why people in China are so cold. You see the huge financial gap between the rural poor and the urban rich. Don’t you ever wonder why in China so many outrageous things happening like 3000 dumped into the river, poison baby formula sold to thousands killing babies, fake oil for cooking..etc. So outrageous. People know there is no justice but only money. Many of the poor have a lot of resentment toward the city folks who are more fortunate and can careless if their kids died of poison milk powder. Just like the rich can careless the kids from poor rural died of illness and starvation. Nobody cares. No justice. Just money.

          • GatsbyC

            No, I agree with mostly everything you’re saying about the importance of a functional justice system.

            Still, for all the injustice in China, I don’t see it collapsing even due to social unrest. Not with the way the economy is growing.

            Please enlighten me as to this imminent social collapse. I am unawares

          • linette lee

            …………….The justice system only needs to work at a basic level to keep China operating and moving towards these goals……………

            Wow….unreal. You must be trolling.

            Without law and order how can you call civilization? China should just go back to cave man time then.

          • mr.wiener

            I like this photo better than the buns.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Seconded

          • linette lee

            I want to see your photo in your avatar. You can even wear a costume if you want to. Like matrix, fireman, policeman..policeman with handcuffs…. hahah ;)

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            If I break my cat persona, then the fantasy and mysticism I inspire in everyone will be gone forever. I know I fill an important part of this community haha

          • linette lee

            I like your gladiator custume. Is this your custume for competition?

          • mr.wiener

            Spartan, wore it 2 years ago, has been a good one for rugby tours.

          • linette lee

            hahaha…spartan. Yeah…I couldn’t finish watching spartan 300. It was too graphic for me. All I see is bunch of raging testosterone men chopping each other. Not good. :(
            Well, at least there were many abs.
            I did watch troy. It was good. But I guess you men like spartan 300 better.

          • linette lee

    • http://www.facebook.com/noah.altman Noah Altman

      From a culture perspective, this demonstrates that China has a low value for the lives of individual people, but a very high value for business profits. From a western mindset that is pretty bad, but China is at an earlier stage of moral development, so it’s quite natural. When enough of a middle class develops, these values will change.

  • Alex L

    Surprisingly (or not), Japan has a lot of similar freaky/bloody crimes. One story I remember some lady hacked up another out of jealousy and buried her body parts in different areas. I don’t know why these countries brag about having strict gun laws.

    • James

      yeah, japan is just the most unsafe place in asia

      ok I get the gun law point, but japan is far from… say russia afa violent crime goes

      • Alex L

        I didn’t say Japan wasn’t safe. Also, you don’t need guns to do evil things. Remember the sarin gas attacks? The story shows you can’t let your guard down wherever you live. I think Japan lost their title as one of the safest places in the world long ago.

        • Rick in China

          Bringing gun laws up in relation to this type of story is *ridiculous*.

          Obviously a psychopath with a knife, beer bottle, scissors, etc is far less lethal than a psychopath with access to several guns. An argument for guns is NOT “Well, people are killed by other things all the time, so why not let us have guns too.”

          • James

            but a very good argument is the bad guys don’t obey gun laws. I hope you love china

          • James

            no one needs an ‘assault weapon’ to defend themselves

            but…. there were hundreds of armored assault weapon & assault rifle wielding police looking for 1, single people’s republic of cambridge sanctuary city, son using apc’s & wearing armor to stop ap rounds, but no citizen ought to own one

            enjoy your stay in .cn please make it a very loooong one

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            I give you a thumb’s up, because its a darn good point. But the opposing sides of the gun control debate is ripping America in half. Everyone’s gotta stop this shit and remember we’re all neighbors.

          • Rick in China

            Bad guys don’t obey stealing, murder, extortion, .. any laws. Lets just axe those too, right?

          • James

            wanting to enforce violent laws that hurt other people is fine with me
            wanting to take away law abiding people’s right to defend themselves isn’t

          • SuperHappyCow

            lol

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            Those are prosecutable, natural laws. They don’t punish normal citizens. Apples to Oranges is a favorite of the gun-control crowd.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            Im sorry Rick, I don’t wanna be combative, but when I see people throwing away their rights for false scenarios, it gives me pause to wonder. And you’ve used two articles in a row to push for gun-control, and the first one had NOTHING to do with it.

          • Rick in China

            I presume you’re talking about the response to Big about Philippines? I didn’t recall anything about a push for gun control in the last thread, so had to go back to look. If you read it again – it’s not a “push for” ANYTHING. It’s a comment on the fact that country is pretty fucked up. Thanks for reading into it, though.

            “False scenarios” – lets look at REAL scenarios, OK? There are so many real world scenarios, mass shootings, accidental child deaths/children even being the murderers, because of gun proliferation and availability in the US. In fact, it’s the “false scenarios” which are often made on the “pro-gun” “anti-control” side…. “what if the government turns into a tyrannical dictatorship! We need to be able to fight back!” – “What if a robber one day breaks into my home and tries to kill my family! I need guns.” Fuck off with that nonsense, you’re just projecting son.

            The whole concept of what your “rights” are is ludicrous, at that. What makes you think for a minute there’s any difference between the US “right to bear arms” and some country’s tradition for the right to stone their daughter to death if she fucks her boyfriend before they’re married? It’s their cultural “right”, no? But Surely you’re offended by that..as it’s not YOUR culture, so it must be wrong. I don’t want to put words into your mouth though, maybe you’re all for that also..

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            “Fuck off with that nonsense, you’re just projecting son.”

            I offer stats, you offer rhetoric. Good job.

            What makes you think for a minute there’s any difference between the US “right to bear arms” and some country’s tradition for the right to stone their daughter to death if she fucks her boyfriend before they’re married?

            I didn’t present it as an American traditionalist standpoint. You stupidly put words in my mouth, because you have no argument.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            I projected because your agenda was obvious.

          • James

            so they’ll definitely obey gun laws, I see

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Well yeah, I think that applies to every country with gun laws. The ones that commit crimes with them tend to ignore them. A bit of a universal constant that.

          • SuperHappyCow

            But in the U.S. lobbying corporations also give money to senators so that people on the terrorist watch list can get guns, and we can’t make sure criminals aren’t buying them from gun shows.

            Also, we’re not two. The idea of “bad guys” is kind of silly.

          • James

            ” corporations also give money to senators so that people on the terrorist watch list can get guns, ”
            ummm yeah corporations hate america

          • SuperHappyCow

            Who ever said they did? They’re just trying to make money, and they do so at our expense, every single time if you let them.

            Also, your argument about bad guys not obeying laws is silly. There should be no laws at all, then.

          • moody

            a cows opinion , a moo point ?

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Most people don’t even obey the simplest traffic laws that keeps them safe…eh sort of.

          • mr.wiener

            Much harder to massacre over 20 people with a soda bottle and a watermelon knife, still, where there is a will there is a way.

          • Klove

            With pressure cooker bombs, who needs guns? Perhaps we should ban the import of those and printer toner and matches and on and on. The thing is the internet itself can be a dangerous weapon, want to make a smoke bomb to cause disruption, check. Want to make napalm, check. Want to blast nails into people at high velocity, also, check. Nutters everywhere can create havoc, guns or no guns….

          • James

            much harder with a stove pot too

            oh wait…

          • mr.wiener

            Point taken Klove and James.
            However the truely devoted nut cases such as the boston bombers, the Oklahoma bomber Timothy Mcvie and the Norwegian guy Anders Bering Brevik are few and far between.[fortunately!]
            The “average” mass killer [if there is such a thing] is a more impulsive animal ,that ready access to automatic weapons and explosive makes far more deadly, I don’t think that cinema shooting twit would have gotten far if he’d showed up with just a batman outfit and a machete.Anything else would be too much like hard work.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            Actually it is. Because people have their rights to liberty. Bureaucrats should not determine our fates, in any instance. The purpose of freedom is to provide safety from an overreaching government, and not from anything else. Its not a bad argument. Univ. of Hawaii’s new study shows Democide, death by one’s own (notice: own) government accounted for 290 million deaths in the 20th century.

          • Rick in China

            “The purpose of freedom is to provide safety from an overreaching government”

            Maybe you wrote this wrong, but it makes no sense.

            The purpose of FREEDOM, is to provide SAFETY? From the government? I have no idea what you’re even trying to say here. The purpose of “freedom”…has nothing to do with safety. The purpose of freedom is simply giving people the ability to make choices for themselves. It has nothing to do with safety, or the government, although governments often have the capability to give or take it away – there is no relation to the “purpose” of freedom. Your incoherent rhetoric makes me not really want to continue this line of discussion with you, as it would be a wasted effort.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            You read it right, and nothing you said changes it. Thanks for offering zero in argument though.

          • James

            rick you can make a very deadly weapon out of a cooking utensil

            google boston marathon bombing

        • James

          ok, I’ll bite, tell me about this violent jap crime wave

    • donscarletti

      Japan had 0.4 murders per 100 000 people last year, the US had 4.8.

      Interestingly enough, amongst the countries culturally similar to America but with restricted gun ownership, the UK had 1.2, Australia 1.0 and NZ 0.9.

      Turns out an angry nut with a knife isn’t nearly as dangerous as one with a gun, unless America simply has more angry nuts bet capita.

      • Roderick

        …and what was that about the suicide rate in Japan? I think it’s comparing apples to oranges. Let’s look at how many deaths per 100 000 and see the results. I’m sure it all comes out in the wash.

        • James

          true some non partisan organizations often throw suicide rates in & count them as victims the same as they do killings by police.
          it’s essentially false reporting

        • GatsbyC

          Comparing suicide to murder is “comparing apples to oranges” BECAUSE YOU CANT PRACTICALLY COMPARE THE TWO.

          SUICIDE IS ENDING ONES OWN LIFE OF THEIR OWN VOLITION.

          MURDER IS KILLING SOMEBODY ELSE.

      • Germandude

        “Turns out an angry nut with a knife isn’t nearly as dangerous as one with a gun”

        Who would’ve thought? But I bet, the logical conclusion is that everyone should be carrying a gun so that they can defend themselves. Welcome to retardo-logic…

        • Rick in China

          Exactly, not to mention statistics on death-by-defenders-own-weapon.. funny how people think “Welp, now I’ve got a gat, clearly I’ll be safe” — *gets shot with own gun*.. oops.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html A LOT of people use guns in self-defense. I agree training needs to be taken much more seriously. Its definitely effective though, otherwise you would have to question our own politicians’ secret service being armed.

          • Rick in China

            Are you on a mission? Do you work for the NRA?

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            Yup and nope

          • Germandude

            Your link is awesome! I didn’t read anything of it, just wanted to check out the obvious: no fucking sources given. Who is writing? Who are they working for? and so on and so on.

            This is a total failure and doesn’t qualify as a valid source, wikipedia is a 5* source compared to that.

            Propaganda at its finest. I soon start my own blog, proclaiming Assad is a freedom fighter and Ahmadinedschad is a god sent. If I only need to match guncite.com’s standards, I can easily become a recognized source.

            Now let’s continue on retardo-logic…

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            Obviously I’ve struck a nerve with this moron. Anyone can see that the link is fine by clicking it themselves. There are links and the sources are clearly listed multiple times.

            You have the focus of a little girl who has her doll taken away. Keep trying to do your thing buddy.

          • Germandude

            “You have the focus of a little girl who has her doll taken away”

            Says the guy who is afraid of losing his right to hold guns. While the only comparison necessary to be made is

            “Interestingly enough, amongst the countries culturally similar to America but with restricted gun ownership, the UK had 1.2, Australia 1.0 and NZ 0.9.”

            Defend your guns as much as you wish and don’t forget to raise the stars and stripes banner and pretend to be sorry for 24 hours after the next school shooting. Be a real patriot!

          • James

            the page he linked to cites quite a few sources

            I saw the doj, nij, time/cnn, abc, gallup, Gary Kleck, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, as well as several other individuals.

          • Germandude

            I am talking about: http://www.guncite.com/. Who set this page up? Which institution/person/club? My guess is the NRA or somebody that makes quite some money on guns.

          • James

            well your poster is a piece of lying propaganda but lying, stretching the truth, and intentionally misleading people are frequent tactics gun banners use.

            Estonia & Mexico are both OECD countries w homicide rates higher than the us. Mexico has a firearm homicide rate larger than the us’, as does 12 other western hemisphere countries

          • Germandude

            Ah, so the US are now competing with Mexico and Estonia… I also constantly brag about Germany’s great economy. Especially when compared to Zimbabwe…

            Again, I’d like to quote donscarletti:

            “amongst the countries culturally similar to America but with restricted gun ownership, the UK had 1.2, Australia 1.0 and NZ 0.9″

            I’d say comparing America with countries like the UK, AUS and NZ is a bit more, how should I put it? Valuable? Fair? Reasonable?

          • James

            I also mentioned 13% of Americans count Brit ancestry while 17 % are latin, 12% black, ~6% asian so it’s not a satraightforward comparison. UK is fairly homogenous, like 92% white european

            I also just pointed out that the vast majority of us states ordering canada have fairly lenient gun laws & lower homicide rates than canada.

          • Germandude

            So now you want to blame crime rates on race rather than gun-laws? Do I understand that correctly? Besides, get your facts straight: “As a result of the 2011 census the estimated White British population was 51,745,135 (81.9% of the UK total population)” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British

            Now I don’t know you, but I have travelled fairly much. I rather run around London, Berlin, Barcelona, Milan, Vienna, Amsterdam at 2 am than for example Washington, LA, Miami, Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas. I throw in Hamburg and Frankfurt, just so that I’ve covered Germany’s 3 top-crime cities into the pool.

            And if you have been to any of these European cities before, you will have hopefully noticed that in many of the cities I just mentioned, the white population was lower than 92% respectively 81.9%. To you, this seems to matter, to me it doesn’t.

            I rather enter a bar drunk and get into a bar fight (not that I ever had one or would want one, but the risk) where somebody uses a broken beer bottle or a knife, rather than a gun. Cause the psychological barrier of stabbing me and getting your hands dirty is higher than simply pulling a trigger.

          • James

            you’re the one who’s got it wrong. You’re only showing white Brits not counting Irish, french etc. ancestry. I said white european was approximately 92%. It is also largely England, Europe’s most densely populated nation,a big city, with thousands of cameras & surveillance that your old stasi would have wet dreams over. It would be the second most densely populated state in the us with only far smaller NJ beating it out. It has little in common w towns in tennessee, louisiana or Arizona.

            You & donscarlettis points were comparing the US to the UK My contention is that’s a flawed comparison. as I said, compare homicide rates of canada with neighboring states not with new mexico or louisiana or alabama. 9 of the top ten states for homicide rate are nowhere the fuck near canada.

            I’ll also point out that yes there is a huge disparity in homicide rates by race, blacks being responsible for 1/2 the homicide rate, but stating that makes some people uncomfortable

          • Germandude

            Most densely popluated nation of Europe: The Netherlands. Then Belgium. Then England. (we ignore some for obvious reasons). And look at that, 3 out of approx. 20 Mio Dutch are black!

            Ok ok ok. I am sorry. I took the right of putting all whites as Brits out of convenience. Surely, there is such a difference between a Brit, a French and a German. Only skin color is the same. All that while you correctly mentioned “I also mentioned 13% of Americans count Brit ancestry while 17 % are latin, 12% black, ~6% asian”. What’s the difference right? I mean ~6% Asian…. They are all yellow anyway and thus, the same right? Tell that to an Indian dude. Or have a conversation with a Japanese and a Chinese and tell them, they are all the same.

            I think it’s fair to say that Chinese and Japanese have less in common than a Brit and a German (except football of course, they’ll never learn).

            And then you come up with: “I’ll also point out that yes there is a huge disparity in homicide rates by race, blacks being responsible for 1/2 the homicide rate, but stating that makes some people uncomfortable”.

            Should we really discuss now about how racism, social status, ghettoization etc. play into that? I think not. It would probably take too long and “hey, the shootings in the poor ghettos of Philadelphia are obviously occuring because thy are gangsta-niggas. It’s in their skin-color”.

            As “Rick in China” correctly pointed out ” projection at it’s finest” and “. It’s useless to continue a gun debate”.

            Soon it’s sunday again and I am sure that after the 10 o’clock mess and studying the bible, you will practice your liberty at the firing range without actually thinking about what kind of contradiction the shit is you believe in and that you propagate. But it’s alright as long as the kids in the next shooting are not your own, because all that counts to you is ” ‘murica fuck yeah!” Right? Right!

          • James

            Most densely popluated nation of Europe: The Netherlands. Then Belgium. Then England. (

            Ummm no, I said England. It is a part of the UK (the majority actually) & it is more densely populated than the smaller netherlands.

            your trying to differentiate between your little country/provinces of the EU over there but it’s fine to lump hispanics from the southwest, corn farmers in the midwest,, italian Americans from NY, and cajuns from louisiana and blacks from North Carolina as a single group.

            I mentioned black, latin & asian because that’s the way its generally broken down. I didn’t want to go looking up infinite minute numbers of various filipinos, thais, viets etc. I did it to show we’re not the same as the Uk

            I stated a fact you are reading into it what you want to because of some knee jerk guilt trip krauts have because your grandfather was sieg heiling as he burned jews & gypsies. whatever the cause it’s undeniable fact. Even in my own state where blacks & hispanics make up less than 13% overall the majority of homicides, 77%, are blacks & hispanics & involve crime, drugs & gangs & in spite of your pathetically ignorant beliefs, it’s not kkk land & it’s not whites killing them. the rest of our population is a rate of about 1.1 %, number sound familiar? it’s the same as the UK, less than .CA

            “Soon it’s sunday again and I am sure that after the 10 o’clock mess and studying the bible, you will practice your liberty at the firing range without actually thinking about what kind of contradiction the shit is you believe in and that you propagate.””

            lol you’re one fucked up dude. who said anything about religion or church.

            ja deutschland uber alles,heil

          • Germandude

            Looks like you admire the times of Nazi-Germany. Isn’t it pathetic? I feel no guilt for that I haven’t been born that time. However, it’s always advantageous to learn from history.
            Compare the US with the EU, it pretty much fits a comparable population size. Breaking up groups as you do it, is only fair if you need to do so in order to get the picture fitting your own beliefs.
            You still totally miss the point I tried to bring across: NOT RACE and NOT NATIONALITY are determining if somebody ends up in jail or in a gang, but social status. BUT SOCIAL STATUS DOES. I hope that in your next life you are reborn as a Mexican immigrant living in LA to get some first hand experience.
            And while I am pretty sure you are also calling any kind of social welfare and unemployment support socialism, you might one day understand why that is making society much safer than allowing one to carry a gun for self-defense. LOL. Deutschland ueber Alles. Heil.
            At least you are watching the history channel in-between FOX News, I see.

          • Mighty

            Deutschdude, I agree with you on all points. I can’t understand why we keep failing to pass stricter gun control laws. But again, the NRA is one fucking powerful entity.

          • Klove

            Even more powerful than the government itself? That is like saying the pro hunting lobby can wield influence over the UK government (they can’t, fox hunting is illegal now!)

          • Mighty

            At times, yes. NRA lobbying has been able to shoot down (no pun intended) every form of guns restrictions.

            Your analogy of hunting is flawed. It will be difficult to lobby for something that’s already illegal. You do realize that, I hope.

          • James

            you mean like decriminalizing pot?

          • Mighty

            Pot for “medicinal use” has been legal at cities that the Federal gov’t is trying to ban. Decriminalizing it like in Holland is not going to happen.

          • James

            some places it is no longer a prosecutable crime, for possessing 1 oz or less, just a civil fine. Many other places won’t even bother for arrests now

          • Mighty

            Yo James, where u at!?
            Ok, where are you located?

          • Jin Ch’in

            Get a room you two homo.

          • Mighty

            You just bitchslapped me like a faggot. Anyway, if asking someone what city he lives in means a proposition for some sexual encounter in your gay world that’s fine but in my heterosexual world it was purely for sociology purpose.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Nothing more tragic then an aging Asian trying to be white and dress black haha..if that’s you in your profile pic with the “rapper” try hard red cap then your more tragic then a HIV gay porn star.

          • Mighty

            Why does every dim wit always assume wearing a cap represents ‘thuggin’ or ‘rap’? It’s merely a display of affiliation with my football team. If you learn of more things beside your constant obsession with ‘homo’, ‘double anal’, and ‘gay porn’, maybe you’re learn a thing or two that there are other activities outside of your gaydom.

            If being wiser than you is ‘aging’ that’s fine as long as you’re enjoying your youthful anal sex with your two boy friends.

          • GatsbyC

            Can’t be “white” or “black.” Teach me how to be Asian please.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Since when did being a fan of the 49ers make you a rapper try-hard?…or “dressing black”?

          • Mighty

            Exactly! I’m only my displaying my love for the team. But ignorant fools always have to make it into something only they can understand. Go Niners!

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I mean, using his logic and judging someone by whatever we see in their gravatar…I am a cat, and he’s a lifeless void way out in space.

          • Mighty

            Based on that logic a cat displays far higher intelligence than extraterrestrial life in space. Well, he is very opinionated moron.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            There’s no intelligent life in that nebula. Just a bunch of dust and an otherwise lack of matter.

          • Mighty

            His mind is warped by time and space.

          • BiggJ

            Canada is pretty easy with it. I was caught a few years ago outside a casino with this girl smoking weed in my SUV. It was like 2a.m and her and I just left the casino and we sat in truck and smoked 3-4 hooters before we left to go home. Anyway the parking lot was pretty empty only my truck and a few other cars. So a cop comes in the parking lot shinning a spot light on top of his truck around at all the vehicles in the lot. So he sees us and flicks on his red and blues and drives over. Now at this time it’s too late to hide it because we were hot boxing the truck.He comes over and said hi and never said anything about the stanky weed smell right away. He asked for my license and registration and all that jazz and after he checked all that he said “yeah I smell something I should not in your truck ” Then he said you can give it to me or I can search your truck after I tow it. I just gave it to him, I had like maybe 20 grams in a mason jar. I gave it to him but I asked for my jar back. lol. He just dumped it on the ground and scuffed it up with his foot, gave me the jar back and told me to go home. lol Never gave me a ticket or anything.lol. Funny thing was I had about 20-30 roaches in my ash tray so rolled up a roach joint and smoked that on the way home after the cop left. lol.

            They don’t really care in Canada as long as you are not selling it. Like if I had weed individually rapped in 1-2 gram baggies then I would have been in shit.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I’m not surprised about them not giving a crap about pot (a lot of university towns here in the States, like the one I live in, don’t really do much, if anything, about small personal amounts), but I am surprised he allowed you to drive your car home while you’ve been getting high. I hate high-driving as much as I hate drunk-driving. That kind of shit should be punished.

          • BiggJ

            Yeah he was pretty cool about it, I know a friend of mine almost the same thing happened and the cop gave him a ride home and told him to pick his car up the next day where he left it.Drinking and driving a whole other ball game. Canada has very harsh laws on that. And there is not a test they can give you for weed. I heard they had some new thing like a breathalyzer for weed but i’ve never heard of anyone ever having to use it. And if he gave me some kind of sobriety test I would pass it with flying colors. So there is no way to tell if im high other then him asking me if I was high, which he never.

          • Klove

            Or as the scumbag fuzz in the UK would call it : ” we are arresting you on suspicion of possessing a Class whatever it is now substance with the intent to supply, you do not have to say anything bla bla bla” and then you get your asshole fingered by hopefully a female cop:)

          • Mighty

            Hilarious! I find older cops are more easy going compared to young cocky ones. One time I had the misfortune of being pulled over by an over zealous young Japanese dike officer out to proof that a minority manly female cop can get the job done. There was no way I could talk or charm my way out.

          • Klove

            I am not pro hunting, I am merely curious as to what sway the NRA (hah, that rhymes!) has over the US govt?

          • Mighty

            They seem to have unlimited spending for lobbying. Most Republicans are NRA supporters if not members. I would hate to imagine corruption is involved.

            Here’s one of many links regarding NRA spending:
            http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082

          • GatsbyC

            Irrefutable, guys. If it works in the UK it works in the US. All our problems are solved. Somebody tell the conservatives

          • ScottLoar

            A Yahoo News survey, which if anything rakes the lowest of public opinion, found that 57% of Americans polled do not want any change in gun laws. Contrary to “Mighty’s” imaginings this 57% is not representative of Republicans or Democrats. No matter how much the President or Congress would like to further restrict gun laws and ownership
            the fact remains, the American people simply don’t want that change.

            Those of you who are not Americans, and “Mighty”, should note that neither the US President or government or Congress is all powerful. The power of the US government is far, far from complete because the number of different, complimentary and sometimes conflicting agencies does not allow concentration of power or information; the US system of checks and balances does not allow the executive immense power; the US Congress is a study in compromise or, failing compromise, of deadlock; the US military is not used to control civilian affairs nor does it have a history of doing so, nor does it desire so.

            The situation of gun ownership and control in the US reflects popular attitudes which nothing but a change in attitude will change.

          • Mighty

            ‘Yahoo News’??? If I were you I wouldn’t trust Yahoo News survey so much to lend such confidence in your opinion.

            Now about the government, what you said is true, in theory. In practice, there are lots of things that take place behind closed doors that the general public has no knowledge of.

            I’m American and I am contempt with what we have now. I can live my live without fear of what secrecy or conspiracy that may be taking place.

            If you sleep better at night thinking that the government is what you make it to be then more power to you.

          • ScottLoar

            “In practice there are lots of things that take place behind closed doors that the general public has no knowledge of.”

            More secrets, more conspiracy to fan your fever, despite an investigative press rigorously looking for dirt, parties looking for the opposition’s malfeasance, bureaus of government charged with investigation and authorized to prosecute, the natural failure of bureaucracy to maintain secrecy, independent organizations with access to government records, and citizens who are simply curious as to why something happened? But you, you are one of those with exceptional street smarts and insights into the workings of government who can’t be duped, and instead hold in contempt the government – a government which basic branches and responsibilities you cannot even describe.

            You are exactly the common denominator commenting on Yahoo News, now moving to post in other forums on subjects which you demonstrably know nothing about. Just blame it on…. go ahead, Mighty, fill in the blank.

          • Mighty

            Secrets and conspiracy exist not only in movies or novels, but also not as exaggerated. You are the one who’s blowing this out of proportion. A conspiracy be a manipulative little act to gain a legislator’s signature in one’s favor. It’s not always about assassinations and coup de’tat. You need to get off this one tracked mindedness.

            “exceptional street smart” and inability to describe the basic branches and duties of the government. You observation is astonishing. It’s safe for me to assume your father never taught you about the word ‘assume’.

            Good. I’ll just blame it on and you fill in the blanks with your dreamy conceptual reality.

          • Rick in China

            You’re right about the Yahoo poll bullshit. In reality – over 90% on MANY trusted polls want background checks at a minimum. The American public is not in favor of no change – in any real poll – and picking 1 out of tens from a shit old source doesn’t make an opinion..but then again, when you’re arguing on the net, I guess you have to expect people to stick to their guns so to speak :D

          • ScottLoar

            Rick in China: I don’t have guns in this argument. Show the reality polls that the majority of Americans want their “right to bear arms” abridged.

            And my point remains, it is not the NRA or Republicans or some other bogeyman that frustrates gun control; it is the American public itself despite public proclamations by the President himself, despite appeals to the public by those whose friends and relatives were maimed and killed by shooters. Jesus, I then even give historical examples of how attitudes shift and once commonplace practices – even an institution like slavery – become unacceptable yet you take pot shots. Cheap of you, very cheap.

          • Mighty

            If you pay close attention to all the Yahoo video new/blogs you get the feeling that they’re all done by high schoolers. The always jump on the obvious and not taking another look in their haste to post.

            Example: “runner smashes three tacklers…” (closer scrutiny shows one of the tackler hit his own man and as his backward fall trips up the third).

            Hers’s the most recent one that was on Yahoo. If you look carefully Parsons just finished shooking hands (or slapped fives) with another fan.

          • BiggJ

            If we never had these guns the king of England could just walk in and start pushing us around…is that what you want? lol

          • Mighty

            The irony is that the Second Amendment was based on the British Bills of Rights. So the king of England can only blame himself for allowing the colonists to bear arms. haha!

          • Rick in China

            I don’t see any problem with the second amendment. Especially for the times – a new country, sparse population, natives still occasionally attacking settlements – a bit of pioneer spirit – when all you have are single shot muskets, it made perfect sense.

            I’m guessing they didn’t have the foresight that a couple centuries later the same bill would allow for people to stock their homes with loaded semi-automatic assault rifles that can lay down a crowd of people without having to reload.

            Most people on the NRA side of the gun debate take the debate as a “have or not have” rights issue. For most Americans, it’s not about banning or taking away guns – it’s about regulating them. It’s about limited capacity magazines, background checks, training/permits for ownership (ie. mentally sound?), tracking arms or ammo purchase., concealed carry, .and what’s considered *SO EXTREME*: registration. There are some other issues, but these seem to be the hot topic issues at the moment.

            There are NRA talking points to combat each of these issues. “It doesn’t work”, “Criminals will always have guns”, “You’re infringing on our rights”, “Melinda Herman would be dead if there were another intruder!”, “US/Australia crime dropped the same amount! Gun restriction means nothing!”, “We need to protect against gov’t tyranny!” (as if a few rednecks with AR15s will push back the US military/police…or, drones. Good luck with that, swamp people..) etc etc etc. It’s impossible to argue with someone who presents rhetoric rather than objective facts.

          • Mighty

            That’s why the Second Amendment is outdated, just as the income tax filing system.

            That’s the main difference. ‘Banning’ versus ‘Stricter’ gun controls. But all the NRA wants is to battle guns with more guns. This mentality is just disturbing. With the recent Newtown shooting their first reaction was to arm all the grade school teachers. Gimme a fucking break! They keep thinking that having more guns around in our society ensure safety. Sure, arm the pilots and the flight attendants, arm the teachers, arm the movie theater ushers, etc.

          • Rick in China

            Well, don’t be fooled to think their priority is safety. They are 100% financially motivated to be pro-gun and pro-proliferation of guns and ammunition. At least, that’s what I think, and we will very soon have an answer as to whether your right and their concern is pro-gun=safety, or 100% financial motivation, with the wide-spread adoption of this plastic 3D printed gun.

            If the NRA says it’s great, 3D printed guns, go download it and print your own — then maybe they really just want guns everywhere. If they come out AGAINST the 3D printed gun, which will clearly have a negative financial impact on those who fund the NRA, then we know it’s financial. We should find out soon.

          • Mighty

            They are a wily bunch. Knowing that despite the frenzy downloading of the 3D blueprint it won’t lead to the guns actually being made. So they may go with the “Against” to project the perception that they’re not all about Pro guns.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            The thing about this 3D printable gun is that it requires an $8,000 printer. Stratysis, the maker of the specific kind of printer you would need, even seized the university printer the Defense Distributed (maker of the printable gun) after they found out what he was using it for. Buying an $8,000 printer with the purpose of creating a gun already puts you way over budget, when you could easily just buy around 4 AR-15s for that, or twice as many Berettas. There are even cheaper guns out there with more accuracy and effectiveness than a plastic, printable gun.

            But wait! The fear is that this printable gun, being all plastic, would allow people to sneak it past security. The problem with this, however, is that the firing pin is still metal and would be detectable, along with whatever ammunition is being used.

            But yes, more to the point, I was going to suggest that it’s doubtful that the NRA will speak out against the 3D printable gun, but then I remembered that they’re all about gun manufacturers making big bucks off of this “they’re takin’ our guuuns!” fear mongering. However, not wanting to piss off any LMOE “patriots” out there, they’ll probably just keep mum on the matter, or suggest it needs to be looked into more.

          • Rick in China

            RE: first two paragraphs: yah yah, I know – however, it was mass downloaded, and converting 3D files between printer formats isn’t an issue. Besides, it’s more a ‘sign’ of things to come – right now not many people have 3D printers, but they’re coming down in cost rapidly and the fact this is now available, means even more – better – maybe not requiring metal inside guns are soon to come…

            The ‘to the point’ part – exactly.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I’m just glad it’s happening now, while 3D Printers are a new, mysterious, expensive piece of equipment than later when they’re more common and advanced. Should give them time to realize this is terrible idea before someone can print out a bunch of plastic RPGs

          • James

            not new & not mysterious, 20 plus year old tech. It’s just getting more common & the materials used for them aren’t the best for highly stressed gun parts.

            btw are they talking about plastic ammo too? lol

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I’m talking “new and mysterious” to your average joe. How many people do you think actually have these in their homes? I doubt everyone over at the local university’s college of engineering is just going to start printing out guns.

            Haha I doubt plastic ammo would work too well, but I’m no expert

          • James

            Sorry I would not want a gun made of any type of rapid prototyping tech. whether fuse deposition modeling, stereolithography or laser sintering of metal powder. Just not something I’d have much faith in. You can build a better gun far more easily with a cheaper set of machining equipment from materials that can take the stress & it’s not that hard.
            I know of a guy who built an ak47 receiver from an old car door at home

          • James

            lol I rarely ever watch fox or the history channel, not much tv at all cept sports or a movie occasionally.

            I can quote you a variety of different crappy slogans like cpc ones for instance or soviet russian, KMT more, but it doesn’t mean I admire them.
            ” I feel no guilt for that I haven’t been born that time.”
            I see the ignorance, stupidity and non critical thinking in germany that led to it is still present it’s just changed form.Jews were like that, now it’s murrica’s like this. I believe you’re a man born in the wrong time, you would’ve gone far, at least an obersturmfuhrer.

            “You still totally miss the point I tried to bring across: NOT RACE and NOT NATIONALITY are determining if somebody ends up in jail or in a gang, BUT SOCIAL STATUS DOES.”
            I call BS that doesn’t explain disparate rates among different groups, mexican immigrants are dirt poor as well but even though their rates are high it’s nowhere near the rates seen among blacks, a large part I believe is cultural. 1940′s-50′s harlem, for instance, was not the crime ridden drugged up pit it is today.
            There actually may also be a genetic component to it, as certain genes have been linked to violent behavior (look up monoamine oxidase A) but you being a good little nazi errr leftist knowing BS knee jerk talking points brought it up as a way to impugn my attempt to point out we’re not necessarily the same as the UK.

          • James

            btw wrt to EU, US populations, the EU is far larger, about 60% larger. You don’t seem to have a great grasp of facts

          • Germandude

            Says the guy who comes up with race, UK being a 92% white dominated country, who is stereotyping all Asians to being yellow and other funny side-topics while discussing guns.
            Now I know that we won’t come to a conclusion, neither do I think we actually need to. Won’t influence my life at all.
            So all I want to say is: sorry for the sometimes harsh tone and the insults that I threw at you. Went a bit over the top with that. ‘Til then: happy shooting…

          • Klove

            (except football of course, they’ll never learn).

            I think both of our homelands newspapers are as bad as each other in stirring up the populace in regards to this. I have found all germans I have met in China to be very amiable and always time for a chat.

          • Germandude

            I have no problem with Brits. I also have no problems with Dutch. In fact, I have a lot of friends from those countries. Just when it comes to soccer, our nations don’t fit too well ;-) It’s all fun though. I like watching the PL as well. I think you fully understand my meaning.

          • Klove

            True, met plenty of chilled and friendly dutch and germans in my time. Best part about travelling through munich airport is the awesome beer hall:)

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Every German I met in China was a pompous douchebag. The ones I met outside of China were nice.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Every white person i met and know outside of Asia (china, Vietnam, Bangkok and India etc) are extremely nice and pleasant. 99% of whites who moved to China are all delusional morons. In their own country they are just below average losers but in China they are considered “rich”. Add to this all the desperate Asian women who would bed them for a better life inflated their already ego.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Dang, dude. You’ve had worse luck than I have. But, really, China is a haven for that kind of grandiose delusion anyway. It kind of effects just about any male there with a pocket full of renmenbis, any girl who has the looks to bed a guy with pockets full of renmenbis, and just any girl from Shanghai.

          • Klove

            Perhaps from your experience, most I met were ok. But then I did learn the language at school, verstehen Sie?

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I only had one semester of German, but yeah of course not all Germans there are going to be assholes. I just had bad luck haha

          • Klove

            No worries, to be fair, the most a-holes tend to be fellow anglo saxon types, was in Chengdu, only once, not one single foreigner spoke to me, each smile was met with avoidance or indifference, remarkable, even by uppity laowai standards in China, even an uppity laowai may give a smug grin or glare, this was either being aloof or arrogant (I’m leaning towards the latter!)

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            I lived in Jiaxing back when there were maybe 20 or so Westerners living there. It was great. Any time we would run into another obvious foreigner (giant, lumbering black or white people), it was completely acceptable and encouraged to just walk right up to them, introduce yourself, and become good friends pretty quickly. We all got along and there wasn’t really a bad person in the bunch. But, as the years went by, good people went back home once the adventure was over and Jiaxing started getting pretty heavily populated with insufferable shitheels and you could no longer expect even a friendly nod from your fellow laowai going through the same daily routine of being the main attraction in a zoo. I think, those of us who arrived in the late 90s or early 2000s had the benefit of meeting the friendly, actually interested-in-China-or-just-living-abroad types, and the people who show up late to the party get stuck with the I-am-here-to-be-your-demi-god types.

          • Klove

            To be honest, I’ve noticed Chengdu seems to really be mostly australians and canadians, not a single one would engage in conversation. Far too many grovelling weasels in China these days imho!

          • Rick in China

            Maybe it was just where you went? There are friendly places. New people show up to tues/thurs/sat poker nights at dave’s oasis and join in freely, met with smiles and friendly conversation. I don’t really go out much any more – but when I pass a laowai on the street I don’t really pay much attention…. if one says hi or gives a nod or whatever it’s only polite to respond the same, but it’s also silly to think every white face will end up being your best friend just because it’s another white dude in China. I haven’t met many people who don’t engage in conversation tho – you mean you started one, and they just kinda ignored you?

          • Klove

            Perhaps it was just the bookworm, and I should chalk it down to a bad experience. I did notice that street near the US consulate is particularly bad, saw a couple of people near the carrefour, even one guy who could be an ex prisoner coated in tattoos with a chinese girl, who didnt even nod back. I agree about your point about every other white face, but at the end of the day, we are all foreigners here, your point about being polite to respond in kind is also valid. As will I from now on, if I am responded to in a polite way, I shall do the same, if I am met with arrogance or rudeness, then they shall get the same. These GW’s need to learn a lesson!

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            The stupid celebrity status we’re still given in some respect here adds to it. It creates a definite sense of otherness. I make it a point to be friendly to other foreigners, so I don’t become like that. Still just reactionary though.

          • http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-blacks-african-americans-japan/wVYZcsfT “Furious” George Rockwell

            Whites are treated as celebrities; Blacks are treated like garbage.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            That’s the truth, unfortunately…

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            When I meet a new foreigner, there’s sometimes a palpable sense of being “caught”. Like I said, stupid.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            I met a German in Thailand who I thought was absolutely awesome. He spoke perfect english just like Germandude does. Im thinking its the norm…?

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            Gun laws in America do not allow concealed carry in bars, IF you take a drink.

            Thanks for ridiculously extrapolating though.

          • moody

            It must have been a while since you last visited UK my dear friend.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            You also flat-out lied about my post. And violent crimes are higher in those countries. Gun deaths in America are on a downswing, and most of the violence is attributable to inner-city gangs anyway. You don’t have that situation in Germany as much as we do, and gun laws won’t do much about it.

            By much I mean anything.

          • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

            Germandude is just a troll. He’s exposed himself, until he explains his comment.

            I don’t know enough about Syria, but I’d bet 100 yuan I know more than he does without taking time to look stuff up. At least, I understand the dynamics of the politics better- Assad’s asinine rule and his father’s tyrannical rule does not mean war is necessary, especially a proxy war through Al-Qaida

          • Germandude

            The typical answer of a typical idiot. I don’t know enough….but I know better than… How many times in history have we heard this and how many times in history was this proven to be a failure? Best example: “Saddam…weapons of mass destruction”.

            You don’t know my position on Syria, I just mentioned Assad and Ahmadinedschad as examples. Damn me for assuming you to be smart enough to figure generic examples by yourself. I must’ve overestimated your capabilities. Shame on me!

            Typical way of discussing the gun issue on hand: Gun supporter “No matter what you show me, I know I am right”. Contradicting opinion: “But….”. Gun supporter: “Take a hike”

          • Rick in China

            Germandude, “Gun supporter “No matter what you show me, I know I am right”. Contradicting opinion: “But….”. Gun supporter: “Take a hike””

            You hit the nail on the head. Absolutely. It’s useless to continue a gun debate with them – obviously we’re full of rhetoric and propaganda to ‘take away rights’….

            Like I said in another post, projection at it’s finest :D I would absolutely not want to live in a world where everyone has a gun – although it probably wouldn’t be a choice, because most of us would likely be dead.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            I’ve yet to see a situation like that. Unless you’re talking about suicides…

          • Rick in China

            Um, there are TONS. Even the latest massacre – the Mom, with all her ‘legally owned guns’ in the house – she was killed by her own son, with her gun(s), in her house.

          • Mighty

            Are you referring to the Newtown school shooting? When I first heard that the guns belonged to the mother I was like “WTF!!??”

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            That is one. Not a ton.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            There’s quite a few incidents of concealed carry misfires. Usually from the weapon falling out of the holster onto the ground. Last semester, one dumbass with a concealed carry license decided he wanted to bring his “self-defense weapon” to campus grounds (a big no-no) and show it off to a co-worker. Having the tiniest penis in all of Arkansas, he had a .410 Judge as a concealed carry weapon. He then proceeded to accidentally shoot himself in the hand.

          • Mighty

            He should’ve done the right thing and shoot himself in the head.

          • James

            should apply to the ATF

      • James

        you left out the rest of the gamet of violent crimes my dear goebels

      • James

        the UK also has by FAR a much larger violent crime rate
        americans wouldn’t stand it nor being disarmed while criminals are floating around with weapons. I guess they could try to outlaw them, like they outlawed booze, marijuana, etc.

        • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

          I understand many anti-gunners don’t want bad things to happen. But making neighbors outlaws isn’t going to reduce crime.

          • James

            yes it will. all crime is a result of evil white males victimizing the world ;)

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Right and it only creates a black market for guns anyway so regulations don’t really help the situation.

        • donscarletti

          It doesn’t.

          Those numbers you saw are mainly because the UK counts burglary as a violent crime US counts it as a property crime.

          The US also only counts “forcible rape” of as violent crime, whereas the UK considers all sexual offences including carnal knowledge of a minor, etc as violent crimes, as well as all domestic crimes including financial or emotional abuse or stalking towards a former partner, none of which are classified as violent crimes by the US.

          The UK has far lower numbers of murders, slightly less rapes (despite a broader definition), less aggravated assaults and far less burglaries, with only slightly more robberies.

          • James

            ok, I’ll check your argument, but the uk is also very low afa european countries go in homicide rates Japan is also very low wrt asia

            you are cherry picking

            compare to other western countries like mexico or brazil

          • James

            I’ll also point out burglary in the uk is often done at night when people are home, here it would be a home invasion rather than a typical burglary done in the daytime when people are working

          • Klove

            That was like the terry martin case. Again it begs the question, what is reasonable force to defend yourself? If I happen to have a meat cleaver and I hack a guys hand off in self defence, would I be free of any jail time? Not saying guns should be legal, but homeowners must be free from stupid PC madness that says they cannot even put up a fight. Then the assailant/burglar has won, because the law is on his side, and the victim is the criminal.

          • Klove

            sorry, Tony Martin case, brainfail, my mistake!~

          • Rick in China

            If people want to keep a gun in their house – great. I don’t see a problem with that.. but what’s wrong with having that weapon registered? What’s wrong with having to pass a background check in order to purchase it, and what’s wrong with not allowing you to pack that gun freely, loaded, around the city?

            In Canada we can own guns. We have background checks and a required safety/test, etc. All the things the “pro-gun” nuts in the US are against.. I don’t understand the logic as to why a lawful citizen is against authorities having knowledge that they own a gun and are suitable candidates for gun ownership. That’s the meat of the US gun debate debacle.. not so much can they have guns, but what sort of laws govern that ownership.

          • Klove

            Swiss males I think have to keep a gun in their home by law. I suppose the question is why is it mostly the US where people go nuts with guns, but not other countries? Although as OP’s have posted out, nutters will find a will if there is a way, be it knives, bombs or whatever they can do…:(

          • Rick in China

            That’s an invalid argument. Actually, switzerland has a much tighter control on guns than the US. Able bodied men between a certain age used to have to have a gun/ammo in their house – that was their military….militia, whatever. Here’s the new rules:

            -Unlawful possession of guns will be punished.

            -Gun trade among individuals will require a valid weapon acquisition permit. Weapons acquired from an individual in the last ten years (which did not require a weapon acquisition permit) have to be registered. As a central weapons register was politically unfeasible, the authorities hope to get an overview of the market through this registration requirement.

            -Every gun must be marked with a registered serial number.

            -Airsoft guns and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law.

            -While the above mentioned “free arms” remain exempt from the weapon acquisition permit, the vendor is required to notify the local arms bureau of the sale.

            They are putting efforts into getting their guns regulated, and under control. I also believe in the past, their militias had tight rules on ammunition control… while they had to have guns/ammo in their houses, it would be monitored/checked up on and ammo could *not* be missing, it wasn’t just a free for all as it is in the US.

            Why is gun crime so much worse in the US? Well, anyone can get ahold of a gun, untraceable, and purchase as much ammo as they want..untraceable. They can get guns without permits, monitoring, registration, or any proof that they own a gun. Clearly it’s more likely a gun would be used in a crime if it’s much more difficult to prove you own a certain type of gun – the anonymity gives gun owners the same clout as anonymity gives internet posters in posting bullshit they know they would never say face to face in real life :D

          • Klove

            Nothing personal, nor am I FIGHTING you. Just I can’t agree about Switzerland and the USA, there has been how many gun massacres in say Israel or Switzerland with a lot of their population being REQUIRED to carry rifles/automatic weapons. A disco in tel aviv with young soldiers with an automatic weapon over the shoulder, suicide bombings aside, I’d say the crime rate in Israel is much lower than other western countries, and possibly the same for switzerland. If you have the problem of anonymity of internet posters posting bullshit as you call it, take it up with the mods. It is their problem, and I don’t like registering with emails and having to remember passwords and so on….believe me I can look you eye to eye and face to face, but unfortunately I do not live and work in Chengdu to do so, nor do I much like that city too many ring roads, too hazy, and too many GW’s there for my liking. Good luck there though, I know you have made it your base.

          • Rick in China

            I’m not fighting either, just pointing out facts :D As for Israel/Switz, again, it’s wrong – there are *soldiers* occasionally carrying their rifles….sure, but not citizens. Look up carry laws in switzerland. (I wont mention Israel, it’s not exactly in a time of peace… so I don’t know why you’d choose that as an example for open carry :D)

            In Switzerland, you can NOT carry a gun in public – unless you’re issued a special permit, which is almost exclusively issued to security personnel. The exception is soldiers with their *rifle* slung over their shoulders. If you’re going to choose a country as an example, don’t just repeat NRA rhetoric and right wing talking points, look up the actual laws man :D it’s far stricter in Switzerland than USA.

            I wasn’t talking to *you* with the example about people anonymously writing BS on the ‘net, hopefully you didn’t take it that way. It was just an example I thought we could all relate to since this forum is often a nesting grounds for that kind of banter!

          • Klove

            Fair enough, sorry for taking things too personally then. I only mentioned the Israel example as I lived there for some time (I have some jewish ancestry, not enough as so there is any evidence, although many say I have a jewish face FWIW?!?)

            I just meant Israel has a very low crime rate, besides the terrorism issue, you could walk the streets of tel aviv at night much safer than say some parts of the UK or the USA, even China.

            Happy weekend.
            K

          • Rick in China

            Got it. I don’t know about Israel’s crime rate, or gun laws, either way – I wouldn’t feel safe in any area where everyone is packing a gun.

            If you’re looking for some good food next time you’re in Chengdu, some nights The Spot has some Israeli style food you’d probably like – restaurant is owned by two cool Israeli guys..

          • Klove

            Thanks for the heads up on an israeli place….if they have falafel and israeli beer (wishful thinking?!) I am in!! BTW, strongvpn, does it need a vpn to access their site, cannot get it to load here? Cheers and beers. K

          • Rick in China

            They have a bunch of mirrors that work – from reliablehosting.com you can access the little customer service chat and get an immediate list, or try like… strongvpn.asia

          • Les Battersby

            thanks!

          • donscarletti

            Japan was the original parents discussion. UK, Australia and New Zealand all are anglophone countries with common cultural and historical background to the US. I forgot Canada, but crime rates are fairly low there too.

          • James

            British Americans are reported ~ 13% per US census, Hispanics are almost 17%, African Americans are 12%

          • James

            great for canada, but 8/10 states bordering canada have lower homicide rates than canada and most have relaxed gun laws

          • Rick in China

            You’re an idiot. Twisting statistics again – isn’t that what you claim other people are doing? “Statistics” including other types of death, etc… Look:

            Canadian homicide rate by gun in 2011, 0.5/100,000
            The only 3 states close to that number for the same statistic are Hawaii, Vermont, and New Hampshire. All the other states are above, some WAY above, that rate.

            That’s also comparing specific states to the country – not exactly ‘urbanized’ states..while the Canadian statistic is including the whole country, not just the farm land.

          • James

            stop being a deceptive asshole, you are cherry picking numbers, numbers for 2000-2009 are 1.78, 1.78, 1.86, 1.74, 1.95, 2.05, 1.86, 1.80, 1.83, 1.81 for intentional homicide rate. the states I mentioned are below that except for 2. The point isn’t about being killed by guns as the victims are just as killed.

          • Rick in China

            HAHAHA, Projection at it’s finest.

            “Stop cherry picking numbers” – that’s exactly what you’re doing. You pick a number that’s higher than the number you want, in this case, “international crime rates” – well I guess if you throw homicide rates from the ivory coast and honduras you’re right – the US is doing GREAT! Good on you mate.

            Your logic is astounding. You said 1 straight up “FACT” and were 100% WRONG, there are NOT 8 states with lower gun murder rates than Canada (as a whole), even though that was a “cherry picked” attempt at a fact, and now you’re bringing up f’in central america and eastern african countries to push your numbers into more sensible proportions. Such a fool, I can’t even continue this thread – your ridiculous reply makes my head hurt.

          • James

            Jesus you must be drunk or on some other drug of choice! You just CAN”T be that fucking stupid without trying.

            Where did I bring up East Africa (btw moron Ivory coast is in W Africa) or central Americia. I gave no “international crime rates” I gave Canadian intentional homicide rates.

            Let me give you some examples:

            Dougie from Alberta is in Quebec, gets drunk on cheapo canuck rye & tripping on meth meets Jaques a local & starts giving him shit cuz Jaques bimbo camwhore/hooker gf is cute. Jaques picks up his axe & starts banging away happily on Dougie til Dougie looks like dog food out of a can, = intentional homicide

            Gordie is in Saskatoon to see the stanley cup championship between his team & Saskatoon. His team is down 9-0 late in the 3rd in the 7th game. A local player gets called for a major & Gordie’s team goes on to score 10 goals. The Saskatoonians riot burn the local outhouse & flip over all 10 cars in town. they see Gordie in his jersey & start beating him up. Gordies got a hockey stick signed by his team’s star, the greatest player in the world Boris Ivanovov who scored all 10 goals & was named MVP & & the goolie sven Sammuelsson. Boris is just a cowardly european player and Sven is a chicken swede infuriating the locals even more. they break Gordies stick in half & laying bloody he pick’s half of it up & starts swinging left & right killing one & scattering the rest. what Gordie did = intentional homicide, but possibly justifiable

            got it? simple examples, even you can probably grasp them

            I didn’t give gun homicide rates I gave intentional homicide rates as what weapon is used is largely irrelevant as lonmg as someone is killed, in fact using a gun may be more humane. So yes, Canada has a higher rate than almost every US state touching it. I can’t spellit out any plainer than that, if you can’t get it start taking english lessons from Eatot

            It’s not my reply that made your head hurt it’s your brain or what you’ve been wasting it on retard

  • James

    used to have a boot knife similar to that, wonder what happened to it

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Exhibit A

      • James

        lol

      • BiggJ

        Yeah that’s funny. lol

  • trouse

    I’ve been teaching part time in Guangzhou last winter for 2 weeks and once asked the kids in school about their hobbies…..And most of them answers these.

    - I LIKE KILL PEOPLE.
    - I LIKE JUMP BUILDING.

    How’s that for the hobbies?

    • Klove

      I remember a chinese guy telling me drinking and smoking were his hobbies, those are no hobbies, those are problems!

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        oh

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Seems like you’re not teaching Chinese people. The usual answers are:

      “I like to climb mountain.”
      and
      “I like to eat delicious food.”

      and
      “I like to sleep.”

      • slob

        “So, what are your hobbies/interests?”

        Boys
        I like basketball!
        I like computer games!
        I like girls!
        I like watching Japanese AVs!

        Girls
        I like shopping!
        I like sleeping!
        I like eating!
        I like watching TV dramas!

        • Sean Cauffiel

          Pretty fucking pathetic, right?

          I’m glad I’m not from a country that gives me 10 years of foreign language instruction that leaves me nearly completely unable to have a basic conversation in that language.

          • The Enlightened One

            I agree Sean,

            And its not JUST with English my friend.

            When I worked as an English teacher in China (I run my own business now), there was a male-Chinese teacher that taught Japanese for like 20-30 years.

            I actually saw him teaching and giving private lessons. However, the school I taught at also had native-speaking Japanese teachers and this guy had to have meetings with them.

            However, when he had a meeting with them he NEEDED a translator… HAHAHAAHA! Yes, he couldn’t even hold a simple conversation with him… Talk about loss of face!

          • Sean Cauffiel

            I’ve met a number of Chinese high school English teachers in China who I could not understand, and who could not understand me. When I tell my uni students this (“your high school teachers don’t know English”) some of them get a little indignant.

            Really, China is just astronomically over invested in English instruction. What an enormous waste of time and money. When the Ministry of Education grows a brain, I’ll be out of the job, but at least efforts can be refocused on training a small % of excellent English speakers instead of 750,000,000 drive-by “hallo! hahahaha”ers.

          • James

            hey you aren’t chinese you just can’t understand, about english

          • Paul Schoe

            Hi James, I can appreciate your comment, but then please enlighten us and help us to understand what we now don’t understand.

          • James

            I was saving any chinese from chirping in & writing it

          • donscarletti

            Chinese by and large do not need to be able to speak or understand spoken English, neither do they really need to know how to write it.

            Chinese need to be able to see something, like a manual or other technical or scholarly book written in English and make sence of it. This is a damn useful skill to almost all Chinese whitecollar professionals, since nobody bothers to write many things in Chinese.

            For that, the Chinese English education system is spot on, emphasis is squarely on the meaning of words at the expense of absolutely else, which is what you need to decypher and instruction booklet. If Chinese want to go travelling, they can learn spoken English through movies in their spare time.

          • Sean Cauffiel

            So years and years of English instruction, translators, private lessons, ever more difficult tests, paying millions of yuan for native speakers to babysit lazy, irresponsible students, etc. to produce bajillions of graduates who don’t understand the English of a storefront sign with gigantic English words and tiny Chinese wording is spot on in training them to make sense of things? Not really buying it….

          • catfood

            Please, most kids who come out of east coast U.S. schools can’t speak fluent Spanish either, despite learning it for 8+ years.

          • Sean Cauffiel

            Please, what school district in the U.S. has 8 years of foreign language instruction…

            maybe I’ve been gone too long.

          • Jake The Peg

            I had 8 years of learning French at school in UK, could barely string a sentence together (where is the train station? where is the bakery? etc.), and now (15 years later) can’t remember anything more than bonjour

          • somms

            It’s possible to have up to 9 years of French or Spanish instruction in my school district (suburb of Boston). You picked a language in 4th grade and stayed with it until the 8th. Then in high school you had the option of continuing or picking something entirely different (Latin, German, et al).

            I was an idiot and dropped 5 years of French for Latin. As a result, I can say very basic French phrases (“Je vais aller a la bibliotheque!”) and know that “agricola” is Latin for “farmer’. Zut alors!

          • Sean Cauffiel

            Wow…. when I was in school, you could choose a foreign language if you wanted (starting in high school), but there was no requirement to do so. The most instruction you could get if you really, really wanted it was 4 years. My school offered French (useless) and Spanish. That was up to 1999.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Yo soy en espanol escuela por cinco anos, pero no hablo. The end.hasta la vista.

          • jixiang

            You’re from an English speaking country right? Most non-English speaking countries have this problem. Go and see how most Italians speak English after learning it for a deacde in school. Learning a foreign language in school just isn’t a guarantee to being able to speak it.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Let’s get this out of the way: Chinese don’t learn English to speak it. They do because
            a) they have to
            b) it’s for their career

            Some US East Coast may stumble through spanish and get laughed at by the local in Mexico. A Chinese graduate student who has studied English for 10+ years will have their blood turned to ice upon asked what their favorite hobby is.

            In a class? Full of your peers watching you fail? Nuh uh. The correct answer is “I like to climb mountain.”

          • Sean Cauffiel

            Honestly, I had no idea. The only places I’ve been in Europe were Germany and Netherlands, and it was pretty easy to find good English speakers there.

            In any case, while its no guarantee, I would expect after 10 years of instruction in a language, being unable to communicate conversationally in that language would be an exception, not a rule. Most of my students speak in one or two word sentences (see examples of what they say in this very thread). I can barely speak Chinese myself, but I’ve only learned what I’ve picked up here and there and I can express more ideas than a large number of my students (except writing of course!)

          • http://www.sinolicious.com/ Gay_Chevara

            Many students in England learn French or some other Euro language and have a fairly decent grasp of the language. But Chinese students often have very little grip on English at all, even after many years.

          • pegglestudent

            ^ 10 years of a language lessons and still unable to have a basic conversation…. That sounds like me when i had to learn French at school…

          • Tinker

            You must be glad you’re not from Canada then. Everyone has to learn French for like 8 years and some take it throughout high school too and still don’t know how to ask for directions after all that.

        • Klove

          You are forgetting QQ/Weixin:)

    • Sean Cauffiel

      Are you sure it wasn’t “I rike keer peopr”? because that could really mean anything.

      • trouse

        oh man chinks can’t speak r.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          You said you’re a teacher? I only hope you’re not that good or else your students will turn out like you.

      • silent observer

        hilarious!

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      My GF always says “I kill you:”then bites me.
      Says its affection.

      • James

        walk…..

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          far to cute.

      • Jake The Peg

        My ex used to do that, she said it was ‘kinship’

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          like to leave marks on the face, something they do to ward off predators.(real reason)

      • Alex
        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          last but one.

    • dumbledore

      Cool story bro. Your grammar sucks by the way. Posing as a foreigner: Failed.

  • Klove

    Blimey….and the lesson is never cheat on a girl from Guangxi. End of..:(:(

  • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

    This child murderer thought she was going to get away with it. She had her reasons for believing it, and yet the article doesn’t go into detail about the position and standing of her family.

    “Face” is still the worst concept in China, but “personal entitlement” from “untouchable, distinguished guanxi” is by far the killer.

    • slob

      “Qin smashed a wooden stool over Zhou’s head and knocked her unconscious as Zhou was playing with her cell phone with her head down”
      Pretty sure Qin killed Zhou because she beat her high score on Temple Run.

  • mr.wiener

    ow! This story sux.

  • BiggJ

    Almost too crazy to believe.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      For a minute there I was wondering how you came up with that particular pic and caption, until I saw that website name at the bottom of the pic.

      • BiggJ

        Yeah you can just make them. lol It’s pretty cool.

  • garbo

    What a sick country. I can’t make excuses for the people here any longer.

    • James

      I often rag on chinese because of the chinazi factor & I won’t disagree it’s still a sick country, but I can’t believe it’s as bad as you’re making it. I actually think there is a decent amount of chinese who are willing to turn their country around

    • the ace of books

      Actually, of all the stories to make such a comment on, this is probably not a good one – this kind of thing could happen in any country, to any kind of child.

  • http://twitter.com/disvagando Calles

    I really think China need to focus more on the mind health of their people, I’m not saying Chinese are the only ones who have these kind of problems, but surely them happen a lot more in China, like committing suicide for love problems, or such high pressure from school and work issues… I’m not really sure I’d consider Chinese people as happy ones…

    • James

      what? putting nets in stairways isn’t normal?

      • http://twitter.com/disvagando Calles

        I still haven’t seen that :/

        • dk2020

          foxconn and iphones …

  • Jin Ch’in

    The parents have let this 13y girl watches to many American slasher movies..this is what you get for allowing western movies to baby sit and educate your children.

  • The Enlightened One

    China needs more psychologists!

    • James
      • the ace of books

        One psychiatrist being an ass doesn’t mean all psychatrists are asses.

        • James

          how’d they get interested in pyschology anyway?

          • The Enlightened One

            Because they found out it worked.

            The used it during the 2008 sichuan earthquake to try and help people out with the post-traumatic experiences they had.

            I personally know one Chinese guy who went to support psychology as a method to help society.

            Would you prefer sucking on moose balls or something?

          • James

            the question was in reference to psychiatrist/psychologists not chinese

            how do many of them get interested in it?

            moose balls may be a canadian delicacy, but not one i’m much interested in

          • TJDubs

            “Moose balls” doesn’t sound very TCM. You need something more obscure and inhumane. Giraffe-horn tea? Koala brain hot pot? Dolphin fin soup?

          • James

            gong bao hsiung mao

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            I’m thinking they get interested in psychology as their population grows and more bad crap happens to them. People will need some way to preserve their mental health beyond meditation. Psychology offers an alternative means to doing so.

            It’s not like the field is comprised of evil a-holes. Only people I know who believe that are scientologists.

    • the ace of books

      With this I will agree – China needs also to lose the stigma against psychiatric help, and more awareness that it, you know, helps.

    • Jin Ch’in

      No China needs more censorship and block all the crazy movies, games and comic books.

      • BiggJ

        That’s right, and just pump the nationalistic shit right to them. KILL JAPAN!!!

        • Jin Ch’in

          Has nothing to do with Nationalistic idiotically. Kids have become violent little devils because 1- Parents power to correct bad behavior has been taken away 2- So much violent on TV, Movies, Games and internet that they are all desensitized to violence

          • BiggJ

            This kid just has a fucked up problem. It’s not everyday a 13 year old girl cuts a body up and hides it because the girl was prettier than her.

          • Chris McKenna

            I’d agree with the first, but with all the stuff in number two the world is a much less violent place than it used to be. It’s just reported more.

          • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

            Mainly #1. Do they even parent?? Yes society+ environment has effects but its not all Tv and omg violent video games.

          • Washington Bullets

            People were violent long before tv and movies. In fact, I personally think video games and violent tv are the reasons people aren’t slaying each other in the streets out of a lack of things to keep them preoccupied. Technology is a blessing for us pants wearing apes.

          • Jin Ch’in

            I am not saying TV, Movies or any sort of modern entertainments is the reason.There’s many factors but i would say the following would be the main reason why Kids are more violent then there were say before the 60′s.

            1-Divorce rate is the highest of any other time in history since the invention of marriage. This has created dysfunctional children and teenagers. Family values and unit no longer exist.

            2- The laws has taken the right of parents to discipline their children..you can ‘t even look at them the wrong way or child services would have you locked up for abuse or sexual assault.

            3- Before the 90′s you be hard pressed to find any porno or images of people been hacked to death or snuff porno’s but now all you need to do is turn your internet on and your spammed with visual images no right minded person would want to see.

            Sure there were murderers and serial killers but not like we have today when every second news is about some kid going to school and bombing or gunning down their school mates or kids kidnapping kids to kill them. The type of murders taking place now e.g like this story would never happened if she was not exposed to this..how on earth would a 13y kid know to do this or even plan it?

          • Banana Boat

            Lot’s of generalizations here, Jin,

            I know plenty of dysfunctional people from ‘traditional’ family units. Discipline does not need to be violent – violence begets violence

            Humanity is less violent than ever before, we are simply more aware of it.

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904106704576583203589408180.html

            There is evidence that increasingly liberal policies governing pornography leads to a decrease in sex crime..

            http://andrewhammel.typepad.com/german_joys/2008/01/more-pornograph.html

          • maja

            or maybe try to make an effort to face reality?

            and btw, I remember reading something about how the 20th century was the most peaceful in the history of mankind but I’m not so convinced about it myself. pobably not in china.

          • mr.wiener

            Kids these days. They were so much better back during the cultural revolution :)

        • Sean Cauffiel

          No, BiggJ, no one ever went crazy and killed someone until after the invention of television 60-some years ago. Listen to Jin Ch’in, this guy is super smart!

      • The Enlightened One

        It needs “MORE” censorship?

        I think it needs to be more open about talking feelings and thoughts. Maybe then her parents/friends/teachers would have found out she is a nutter and saved the other poor girl.

        More psychologists or more violence… which do you prefer?

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        agree

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        “No China needs more censorship and block all the crazy movies, games and comic books.”

        Yes, but counterfeit DVD’s and piracy are cornerstones of the economy….

        • Jin Ch’in

          Who needs to counterfeit when you have internet?

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Who needs reasonable explanations when you can blame the internet?

          • Jin Ch’in

            whose blaming the internet? its whats on some of the adult sites which are the problem. I like how you try to twist words to prove your point..shame its so transparent.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            “No China needs more censorship and block all the crazy movies, games and comic books.”
            “Who needs to counterfeit when you have internet?”

            More censorship, but keep the internet free.

            Keep up the crazy, you shiny diamond.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Your not the brightest crayon in the box are you?..i said the fucked up slasher stuff not the whole internet or movie industry you dumb fuk.
            the counterfeit comment has nothing to do with anything just a reply to your suggestion china economy is formed by counterfeit whether it is or not has nothing to do with what i was saying.

          • moody

            you know the problem with censorship.

            who decides what is ok to watch and listen to.
            and who will be watching the censor then ?

            if you want to lilmit your kids access to porn and extra violent movies, you sure can set up parent filter or parent control or whatever it s called on your TV, your home computer and so on to keep them from accessing none safe content

            but you sure want to keep the censors out the door.

          • Jin Ch’in

            Sure you can do that but when they go to their friends place and its not filtered then there’s no point. If it there it can excess. The best solution is a blanket ban on all these type of movies, games and images.

            Every country has some form of censorship now anyway..do you really think even Americans are totally free? with all the new laws in place you can be picked up and locked away without questions or legal aide. OK this a little off topic but I’m just saying we do not live in the free world like you think so extra control would mean very little.

            But i think this type of problem effect the poorer class of people who can be more easily influenced.

          • moody

            I find it strange that you talk about Americans when talking about freedom and liberties

            I beleive the old Europe offers actually much more freedom to it’s citizens -in many aspects- , but i might be wrong.

            Censorship should never be regarded as “very little”

            I simply leave you with this quote

            “Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever.”

            As for the content that can be found on internet, i certainly think that a lot of things are actually really “mentally” unhealthy in our modern society and extremely harmfull to our youth.

            and i would have supported a policy (that finaly turned out to not be implemented considering the actual content of Chinese national tv) as the Chinese gov announced wanting to limit the amount of reality tv, talent show and other bullshits.

            Yet, it still is not censorship.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            “No China needs more censorship and block all the crazy movies, games and comic books.”

            There aren’t slasher movies in China. Many because the public can’t handle scary movies.

            But there is brutal violence of Chinese destroying their enemies into bloody bits on TV. So much for blocking “crazy”.

            And no, no you didn’t say what you might have thought you said. But such is ignorance. As such, do you use a mirror as a monitor for your computer? A compact as a smartphone, maybe?

          • Mighty

            He only uses the mirror to see his face being double pumped by his boy friends.

          • maja

            you maybe are talking from different perspectives, he’s talking about open discussion of preblematic topics and linking this to the use of internet, you’re saying that internet should be used as a controlled (but catchy) form of entertainment similar to what television was in most western contries in the last 50 years. no one is particularly stupid or bright here.

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    I know girls can be cruel to each other, especially during the teenage years, but jeez…

  • BiggJ

    Maury Povich could not even help this kid.

    Next on Maury:

    • James

      what no personal; insight?

      • James

        I remember in 9th grade a hot chick beating up the chick w the best ass in the class & giving her a black eye

    • GLUXSZ .

      BiggJ is an “English teacher” in China that doesn’t know the difference between then and than lol.

      • James

        no, fenfen, he’s in canada & he grabbed that picture off the net baichi

        • BiggJ

          Yeah, but I did spell it wrong.lol I’ll be the first to admit i’m not going to win a spelling bee. lol

          • The Enlightened One

            Don’t feel bad, it’s a common mistake. We get the point.

      • BiggJ

        Yeah I noticed that after i posted it. I can’t take pics down once I post them….don’t mean you have to be a dick about it. And i’m not an english teacher but you’re still a chink.

        • GLUXSZ .

          Haha insecure much? Loser Laowai detected.

          • BiggJ

            You can be a dick, I can be dick. Simple as that.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        Actually, this is the the best evidence to show that he is a native speaker.

  • Guest

    “My own theory is like this: The father’s own child took her classmate home, he saw the pretty girl, raped her and murdered her, and lied that it was his own child who murdered and dismembered her for resenting her beauty, so he could use a loophole in China’s law to get away with the crime, and then take care of the problem by giving money. It’s my own theory, do you think it’s reasonable?”

    Yeah I also think that’s what happened. I don’t think a 12 year old girl would have the strength to cut off body parts.

    • BiggJ

      Could be…Not so much the fact that she don’t have the strength…but the craziness to do something like that. I could see her murdering the kid with a knife or something…but not cutting off the head and limbs and cleaning up and disposing of the body….that sounds like something a crazy adult man would to do.

    • ScottLoar

      I have read and re-read your theory and regretfully conclude you may be largely right. A 12 year-old dismembering a body seems far-fetched. I hope for the child’s sake your theory is right.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      This theory is wonderful because it supposes a man pins a horrific murder and crime upon his daughter. Who’s only twelve. And is friends with the deceased. And, swirling in the loophole, will have to live with it the rest of her life.

      Wonder what she will get her dad as a present for Father’s Day – probably a tie, as a mug with “World’s Greatest Dad” won’t work.

    • mimomimo

      I was also wondering if the girl did the murdering. Her parents came home, freaked out and did the dismembering, wrapping the body up and cleaned up the scene hoping they could hide the body and protect their daughter.

      I’m sure no unstable 12 year old could do that or would think to do that. She acted very irrationally in killing the girl. It takes a big leap of faith to believe she would suddenly act rationally and clean up the scene and hide the body.

  • the ace of books

    In the West, when stories like this happen, I’m always amused (not really) at how people are shocked, shocked, that such a little child could do such a thing. Do they not remember their childhoods? I remember some pretty damn vicious eight-year-olds.

    I like (sort of) the fact that people in the comments-selection didn’t disbelieve that a 13-year-old could do such things. Granted, they go to what looks like the obvious solution – locking her up. But I don’t think that’s necessarily the best course: friggin therapy already, as well as teaching empathy, good role models who love the child without reservations and are willing to help, and a social system that considers such things important and not ignorable – all those will go a long way to prevent such goings-on (even in adults).

    PS: oh, the old adage: “her mother and I are friends, so she and my daughter should be friends too :D”. Niiiiiice.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      I really depends on your philosophy regarding crime and punishment. Do you believe more in rehabilitation or punishment? To me 3 years rehabilitation isn’t nearly enough. I’d say rehab until about 20 years old will be a better balance of rehabilitation and punishment. If it were my child that were murdered like this I’d want the murderer executed, eye for an eye, despite her age. But since the killer will undoubtedly rejoin society one day, rehabilitation is definitely needed, society can’t just lock her up and throw away the key. That said I believe some people are just born psychopaths, they can’t be help, I hope she’s not one of those.

  • KAMIKAZIPILOT

    When you think about it, it might be easier for a child to kill someone in cold blood like this as opposed to an adult based on the assumption that the child’s mind has a simpler reasoning process than an adult. Ex. I don’t like this person so I’m going to kill her and then she’ll be gone and I won’t have to see her anymore. The child probably doesn’t think of all the pain it’ll cause the other child and her family or the morals of taking another human life. To me 3 years rehabilitation isn’t nearly enough and 14 is way too old to be the cutoff age to be held criminally responsible. No perfect solution but I’d think being locked up to about 20 or 25 would be better. At least that will acknowledge the seriousness of the crime. So sad for the parents of the deceased, especially if she’s an only child :(

    • James

      are you on meth?

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        No, but I do want to fart on your eyeball.

        • mr.wiener

          Ahh , a Jenkum addict.

          • BiggJ

            HAHA, yeah that’s funny lol

        • James

          try german dude, japs & krauts seem to be bigger into that type of stuff

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            YOu can do a line off my butthole if you want.

    • Atlas

      Problem is, from birth, children are hardwired for empathy. We train them so they forget this.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Everyone is hardwired a certain way that’s for sure but not everyone is hardwired for empathy. Nature vs nuture. Look at Jeffrey Dahmer, he had a good childhood (loving, no abuse) and he still turned out a monster.

        • Atlas

          Studies have shown that children a few hours old will ALWAYS respond and cry more loudly to sounds of other children crying than to any other sound.

          Doesn’t mean that you can’t have a few broken kids in a batch.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Probably MOST people are hardwired to have some kind of empathy but like I stated before, some aren’t. Even scientists don’t know why some people seem to be inherently evil. Prenatal trauma, chemical imbalances, injury, genetic disorders and other things can all have an affect on the brain.

            I just hope the girl who killed can be rehabilitated enough to realize how wrong she was.

          • Atlas

            IF the kid really did it (and not her dad), then it’s pretty much too late I’m afraid. If it is something that she did because she was born “evil” then no amount of rehabilitation will work. On the other hand, if rehabilitation is possible in her case, it begs the question of how she became twisted like that and what happened behind closed doors in her home.

            One of the things children have taught me is that they are almost always the perfect mirror of their family.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Each person is different and unless you’re a mental health expert (and even if you are) you can’t say for certainty if it’s too late or not to reach this kid. Yes if she was born evil she can’t be helped but those people are few and far between. Anything could have contributed to her behavior, it’s might be familiy problems but it might not, we just don’t know.

            I disagree that children are almost always the perfect mirror of their family. I myself am not like anyone in my immediate family. Yes the family has influence, but peers also play a strong role in how a child will turn out.

          • Mighty

            Yes, unfortunately, the outside ‘influence’ can be stronger.

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      This is sad overall in that conditions have allowed a child to be brought up commit such an act. Then every one else has to pay for it. Pay for the institution, housing etc.

  • Jin Ch’in

    Welcome to American slasher movie generation..kids killing each other, bombing schools etc.

    • BiggJ

      I sure the chinese had nothing to do with this….again it all america’s fault.

    • The Enlightened One

      Why are Chinese/random people so obsessed with America?

      Whenever ANYTHING happens people always have to mention America. And when anyone defend America, they MUST be American and hate China.

      I think you should take a cue from the movie “The Happening” (shitty movie I know) but watch it and follow what they do.. okay?

      • Sean Cauffiel

        Well, but, yeah, and, I mean, kinda is, like an American slasher movie!

  • The Enlightened One

    Do you know how difficult it is to chop off people’s heads and arms with just a knife?

    There is a lot of sawing involved and it takes a while. Imagine carving someone up like a Christmas turkey (cutting through the skin, fat, tendons, veins and bone)… then imagine a little girl doing that to another little girl with a knife.

    Yeah… it’s gruesome and makes for a freaky horror movie. My point being:

    This kid is seriously fucked up, they probably shouldn’t even release her. I don’t think what she has can be cured. It’s one thing to shoot someone. But to beat the shit out of them and then chop them up… I don’t think that is something you can ever truly take out of someone… it’s gonna be still in her when she is released at 17-18.

    5 YEARS LATER…

    “Hey Qin, how come your hair isn’t as long and as beautiful as Zhang’s your co-worker?”

    “No worries, I will just beat the shit out of her with a keyboard and then chop off her head and wear it to work tomorrow!”

    • YourSupremeCommander

      “There is a lot of sawing involved and it takes a while.” Sounds like you got some hands on experience there, maybe the FBI will look you up now.

      • Rick in China

        Sawing isn’t necessary – it’s easier at the joints. It does take some strength to pop arms out of sockets/crack the neck though. I’m starting to think this lil girl didn’t do this alone..or didn’t do this in it’s entirety.

        It doesn’t take a PhD in biology/anatomy, or experience, to know how a body is put together (hence can be taken apart).

        • ScottLoar

          It doesn’t take a degree in anatomy to know how a body is put together but it does take a strong stomach to take one apart at home with a knife. The stink, the blood; this is butchery on a big scale and to my mind beyond the ability of a 13 year-old girl.

          • Rick in China

            That’s exactly what I’m thinking.. not just the mental aspect, but the physical power to pop bones out of sockets and cut through tendons, the time and patience required, seems unrealistic as a scenario presented in this story.

          • Klove

            I think some medical knowledge, ie autopsies and so on, would be more helpful in this area, but perhaps not essential. How many people would honestly if asked know how to cut someone apart? As you said not even factoring in the mental aspect….

          • Rick in China

            Anyone who has gone hunting :D Or butchered an animal, lots of Chinese people in this girl’s father’s age bracket have first hand knowledge of how to take apart a chicken for dinner I’m sure… pretty similar process.

          • Klove

            This is all getting very hannibal lecter (joke). Liver or kidney?!:”)

      • James

        maybe that’s why he’s in china now

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      Human meat char siu bao.

  • Biao Ma

    Being pretty is kind of mistake that makes others commit a crime. Now I am glad that I am ugly.

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      Luckily she’s not rich; otherwise she might get speculated as a spoiled brat and not just a crazy teen

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

    vitamin B-1 (thiamine), to Repel Mosquitoes

    • Klove

      I thought garlic was also good?

      • YourSupremeCommander

        for vampires.

        • James

          and fleas

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        yea i eat a lot but they still munching on me,
        gonna try the B-1 thing, yeast i believe, says they don’t like the smell but Chinese mosquito so probably don’t give a sht.

        • Klove

          Only thing I have found that works in an apartment at least is dabbing some wen pa shui behind the ears before bed, and burning the coil in the room with the ac on and the door closed for at least an hour before sleep with the windows closed. Otherwise, the little gits come out of hiding as you are just about to nod off:(

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Good suggestions, all but i find if i close the door before turning the light on, they won’t usually come in. Same goes with the window as long as you have a screen without holes. Bless you if you have a roommate that doesn’t know how to close the door behind them.

          • Klove

            Insecticide in the room an hour before bed also helps!

  • jon776

    I think they should just execute her right away.

  • Mighty

    Jealousy runs high in teenagers. Her parents should be imprisoned for not making her more pretty.

  • MOM

    “Then Qin even chopped off Zhou’s head and arms, put them into plastic bags, and cleaned the blood from the scene of the crime.”

    TV’s, NEWS, MOVIES, VIDEO GAMES,.., create nothing but REAL little Monsters.

    • James

      looks like she’s going to prune the hedges
      is she mexican?

      oh wait it’s a bolt cutter, must be a dyke mechanic

      • ScottLoar

        Now that is rich. Good on ya’.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Completely false. If true, you have just abetted a murder(s) by posting that picture (haven’t seen that one yet).

      Think of all the people that will read your post and then commit horrible acts because of you. Have you no conscience?

      • Mindi

        relax baby…it’s just a picture. just make sure ur kids don’t see it :)

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          how canz I police mah kids wen I mah polizin other peoples?

  • wafflestomp

    I also doubt the girl did the crime/acted alone. Smells as fish as a fat womans unwashed snatch.

  • Dan

    Please write a story about the migrant workers protesting the “suicide” in Beijing!

    • Sean Cauffiel

      You know these guys don’t write stories, right? They just translate and publicize existing stories.

  • Ami

    I know classmates can be cutthroat but this absolutely ridiculous!

    …Okay, sorry :(

    • Mighty

      Hahaha…. damn it. Sorry for laughing too but I’m sure it was pun intended.

    • James

      is AMI going to pop up & say he isn’t responsible for your comment then challenge someone to a fight?

  • Mighty

    Non related matter but… is it just me or does anyone else find that, of all sister sites, RussianSLAM is the most boring one?

    • YourSupremeCommander

      You never went on AmericaSUCK or FrenchSMELL?

      • Mighty

        Been there. They both suck and stink.

      • kevin lin

        Since when did they create those? Am I missing the announcements or notifications or something?

  • guy

    “All the pretty girls, hurry and kneel before me and thank me for not killing you”

    That comment basically sums up how people in China view each other.

    • jin

      ofcourse, the words of 1 chinese person sums up on how 1.4 billion chinese people thinks. I can see the logic in that.

    • 白色纯棉小裤裤

      This girl was just making fun of it. I find that it is always the case that westerners are too stupid to understand Chinese humour.

    • Guest

      guy’s comment basically sums up how foreigners develop their views on China.

  • SorayaVonDerAlm

    This Girl is pure evil. I think she should be locked up in an Asylum for the rest of her life, too. She’s 13 and already this evil how will she be when she’s 18. I

    • Jin Ch’in

      All 13y girls are evil period.

      • Mighty

        13 year old boys suit your taste more.

  • Elf Queen

    Only 3 years of rehabilitation? You kill someone, I dont care you are 6,8 or 28,you need to be put away for a very long time.

  • don mario

    seems fishy. dunno how an angry fat kid would even KNOW how to kill another kid. its not like she just shot her with a gun. at that age all we used to do was push each other, sometimes put the other kid in a headlock or a chinese burn. the worst i saw was a kid bite another. but cold murder and then sawing through spine and 2 arms? its either bullshit or that kid is really fucked up or brain damaged.

  • Helmethair

    Not really. Group humiliation is the latest tactic I’ve seen by insecure Chinese men on young Chinese women who flirt with Western men.

    If in a bar, KTV or even the gym. If a group of guys – even strangers – see a girl getting too friendly they’ll give a group “OOOOOOOOOO” at the offending girl to humiliate her. I’ve seen it twice, once at the gym and the other at KTV where the Chinese guys made blow job motions at the girl to get her away from a Western guy. In both cases the girl stormed out in a huff and never spoke to the guys again.

    • maja

      I remember seeing many of my fellows acting in the same way in italy. it was around the time I was in middle school.
      I guess acting like a 12yo it’s a part of the “cute innocent kid” style.

  • Justin
  • 5,000 years of uncivilization

    Society’s lower classes tend to overemphasize the importance of beauty. That said, if the parents had a decent education, they would have instilled better qualities in their daughter and taught her what is more important than beauty. If the other kids teased her at school, then the parents of those children are also guilty of not teaching their children respect and other such values. Of course, we all know that education in China is seriously lacking in the most important areas.

    • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

      It’s natural, the beauty can have a place in the King’s concubine. There’s still a lot of aspects of a brutal survival culture here in some respects. At least that’s how I see it.

      • 5,000 years of uncivilization

        True but at what cost? When economic developement out paces the natural developement of education, this is the result. Nouveau rich throwing trash out the window of their new BMW and lacking the common sense to teach your children right from wrong are related.

        • disqus_GT7T3lvswe

          Too true… Parenting? Won’t get it around here. I work at an English center. On the weekends, many kids are dropped off immediately after their school gets out. Then they’re back in the morning. During school, they live in dorms. Who are the parents? The dorm system needs to go.

  • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

    China needs a serious improving in parenting and capable social workers.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    And then you will get posts from this chick that reads: there will never be a 13 year old girl murderer in HK, because people of HK is so much more civilized than mainland people.

  • AlexZS

    This will just encourage others under 14 to commit murder as the harshest legal punishment it 3 yrs rehab. Not good China, not good.

  • MeiDaxia

    I mentioned this story to my 8th graders today, some knew about it, but in my less than savory sections, the kids laughed. They laughed at the death and dismemberment of a kid their own age. I was appalled, as were their Chinese teachers. They even made jokes about who it might happen to in their own class.

    Kids these days…

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      I worry about the future generations of China. Sure, there are a lot of good kids but there are too many bad ones that are likely to snap and do this kind of thing. Xiaoxing.

  • zi_ni_ma_13

    put her down like a rabid dog. i should be king of the world……. i really should be.

    • mr.wiener

      It’s nice to have dreams.

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