Boy Jumps Off 30-Floor Building Over Teacher’s Punishment

Scene of the incident.

From Phoenix Online:

10-Year-Old Boy Jumps Off 30-Floor Building & Dies, Possibly Over 1,000-Word Self-Criticism

On the afternoon of October 30, Junjun of Grade 5 Class 1 of an elementary school in Chengdu jumped off the 30th floor of the apartment building he lived in, and died instantly at the scene. According to the residential community’s surveillance footage, at 5:53 pm of that afternoon, Junjun walked into the elevator with his head down, wearing a backpack. His home is on the 5th floor, but he didn’t go home and instead reached up and pressed the button of the 30th floor. A little more than 20 minutes later, at 6:15 pm, a Mr. Lin (pseudonym) who was watching his storefront in the residential community where the incident happened heard a loud “bang”. “It was like a car exploding, very loud.” The bang was from Junjun, when the foolish boy fell from the 30-floor building, and died instantly at the scene.

Junjun's Chinese textbook.

On the Chinese textbook left on the floor of the 30th floor, he left a message: Teacher, I can’t do it. I stopped myself many times before I jumped off the building. On the floor of the fire escape on the 30th floor lay the backpack Junjun carried everyday. Next to the backpack, lay open a Chinese textbook for first semester 5th grade students, and a pen and its cap crossed on the textbook.

Junjun's family members are crying.

Junjun's family members are crying.

At noon, the school had held a reading contest. While another classes was reading, Junjun was chatting with some other classmates, which caused the other classes to complain, and ask Junjun and his entire class to leave the room. Afterwards, Teacher Chen admonished the 10+ students who were responsible. After school, [Teacher Chen] also asked Junjun and 3 other students to stay behind, admonishing them again. “I gave them two punishments to choose from: One was to write a 1,000-word self-criticism, and the other was to stand for an hour.” According to Ms. Lin, Teacher Chen mentioned on the phone that upon hearing this, Junjun immediately began crying, asking what would happen if he isn’t able to write the 1,000-word self-criticism. Photos [above] are of the father and the mother of the boy and his family members crying by the coffin.

Junjun's family members are devested.

The family members of [Junjun] devested. Photographed Zhang Lei

Junjun's parents.

Parents of the boy.

Comments from Phoenix Online:

凤凰网山东省聊城市网友 lcleyouyou:

When something like this happens, many netizens blame it on teachers. The internet has demonized teachers. Which teacher dares to criticize children again? If teachers just let them be, what would our society become in the future? Besides feeling sorry for the death of the child, I think this kind of weak personality of the child is the result of his parents spoiling him.

凤凰网河北省唐山市网友 red122: (responding to above)

I’ve looked closely into the story behind this news and found some information: This child grew up in a divorced and remarried family. His parents got a divorce when he was 3. His father was not good with words. The stepmother he had later gave birth to another daughter. His mother would visit him once every two weeks. I think the child was more or less emotionally traumatized by his parents’ divorce, became extremely fragile and lacking in communication. Think about how when the child encountered trouble, instead of going to his parents, he chose to go home alone and jump off from the 30th floor. We can see that the child communicated very little with his family. How to put this? A child from a divorced family needs the care of society, the school, his relatives, etc. The parents and family environment are very important for a child’s growth.

凤凰网北京市网友 凤凰网友:

This teacher bears a large amount of responsibility. At least with regards to treating different children with different personalities, his approach was wrong.

凤凰网吉林省长春市网友 凤凰网友:

The child’s ability to endure hardship was too poor. The teacher did nothing wrong.

凤凰网河南省郑州市网友 guobingkun114:

Sigh, instead of choosing between a standing punishment or writing a self-criticism, he instead chooses to jump off a building! This must be a problem of family upbringing. Jumping off a building even over a small matter, what would he do if something big happened to him?!

凤凰网浙江省嘉兴市网友 凤凰网友:

Whose fault is this indeed? Having to write a 1,000-word self-criticism in the 5th grade, even my gaokao university entrance exam essay was only 800 words…

凤凰网广东省惠州市网友 lmr微笑:

Heart-breaking Chinese style education. In fact, many elementary school students are under a lot of pressure. They are not happy, and have lost the childhood innocence they should have.

凤凰网重庆市网友 ran5200:

Child, how could you have come up with this decision? My heart aches so much! I cry for you. I hope you find peace in heaven. In the arms of God, you no longer need to write self-criticisms, and you can have all the fun you want. On the day you resurrect, you will meet your parents again. Parents, I hope you no longer grieve, because it is God who has taken your child away. The environment here is too nasty. I hope you find peace soon. I hope the people in heaven pray for you together.

凤凰网中国网友 凤凰网友:

[The teacher probably] spoke without thinking, but children take it seriously. As a teacher, shouldn’t you be more patient?

凤凰网湖北省武汉市网友 凤凰网友:

To have a 10-year-old child write 1,000 words is indeed making things needlessly difficult [for the child]… Sigh.

Comments from Sina:

手机用户 [江苏无锡]:

I think the teacher is also quite innocent/blameless. It’s not like he did anything to the child. The child’s stubbornness was too much. How are teachers supposed to manage children in the future?

手机用户 [广东湛江]: (responding to above)

Your whole family is innocent! You try writing an 1,000 words when you’re 10! This is not a teacher, this is a thug!

心境573 [江苏扬州]:

Don’t want to comment too much on this, just want everybody to pay attention to the following two things: First, “On the Teacher” says: ”As a teacher, one can propagate doctrines, impart professional knowledge, and resolve doubts.” Teachers, are the pathfinders of students for their study, are the guides of living, are the direction indicators of life. Teachers have a most philosophical title–engineers of human souls. Second, “10 years old”, at the tender young age of learning, can be called younglings. Younglings can be educated means little children can be taught things (later it means potential young people who can be brought up). Seeing the last words of the child written below the sacred “National Middle School & Elementary School Textbook Approval Committee”, I, wept, lost for words. Little baby Li Shichuang, rest in peace…

手机用户 [江苏泰州]:

How does this teacher not have a conscience? Did she hit the child or verbally abuse him? To jump off a building when asked to write a self-criticism, is this psychological tolerance of hardship the responsibility of the teacher more or the family’s upbringing? Nor can morality and ethics be judged like this. If it goes on like this in the future, is the teacher supposed to turn a blind eye when a child makes a mistake, or even clap and applaud with both hands approving of it? And only then your child won’t go jumping off a building?

手机用户 [山东青岛]:

I really don’t know what these reporters are up to in blaming it all on the teacher. What about the parents? We no longer give a damn the minute we drop off our children at school? If a child does well in school, it’s because the child himself is clever, but if he doesn’t do well, then it’s the teachers that can’t teach him well? The teacher had already talked with the parents, and the parents already knew what the teacher was going to do, so why elevate the child’s own problem to the level of the teacher being responsible? Should the teacher get down on his knees and beg the child to stop making a fuss? Those parents who have children, and those parents who don’t have children yet, you people think about this. If this goes on, will there still be any teachers left who dare to educate our children? Should we let our children be unruly? Wake up. There are also good teachers and bad teachers, but parents should pay more attention to their children, and communicate more with them.

sdklja [浙江温州]:

To be frank, how are teachers supposed to handle [children] nowadays? When we were young, teachers were even more direct and rough, with teachers nowadays so much more vulnerable and weak in comparison, and yet didn’t most of us grow up happily all the same? It’s the times that have changed, society that has changed, and the psychological/emotional tolerance of hardship of children that has changed. Jumping off buildings, running away from home, objectively, these aren’t a problem of school education, these are a lack of social education. My sympathies for the family members, rest in peace, little kid~

蓝与兰的心情 [江西宜春]:

A poor kid, a bad, immoral teacher. A 1,000 words self-criticism! How is he supposed to write such a thing? What could he write? Just 10 years old, my heart aches for you, little guy. What kind of courage must you have had to bring you to jump off the building, sigh…! Rest in peace, kid. This teacher, will your heart be in peace for the rest of your life?!!

手机用户 [上海]:

The child’s heart wasn’t strong enough, so can the teacher be the only one to be blamed? If [the child] couldn’t even take bear such a little blow, how is he supposed to survive in this society in the future? Everybody says there’s something wrong with this teacher’s method, but there’s an old saying in China: a strict teacher produces great apprentices. while a teacher that keeps backing down produces lazy and inferior apprentices.

What do you think? Is the teacher to be blamed?

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  • Guest23

    Read this story for a week now, as an educator this is just damn shameful, there’s always a limit to how much pressure a student can take, the teacher should have just talked to his parents and the sad thing is, the school won’t take that much responsibility for the boy’s death.

    • Andrew

      Did you even read the post? The teacher did NOT “not tell him to jump off a building”… He’d definitely be held accountable if he did that. All he told the kid to do was to choose from “writing a 1,000-word self-criticism” and “to stand for an hour”. I don’t even think it’s that strict…

      • Guest23

        Been reading outside sources http://bossip.com/859958/elsewhere-in-the-world-10-year-old-chinese-boy-jumped-30-floors-to-his-death-because-teacher-told-him-to-43081/

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483313/Chinese-boy-commits-suicide-teachers-orders.html

        A lot of them says he was told by his teacher to jump off a building and you should check the stories on student suicides in china, a lot of them were because of the strict discipline.

        The jumping off the building thing might have been a offhand comment, but this is a 10 year old, you don’t say those things.

        • Andrew

          I’m actually inclined to believe the teacher didn’t say that considering the foreign sites may have exaggerated the original story. Some publications do that.

          Maybe it’s just me, but I have so many doubts about the kid’s message. “Teacher, I can’t do it. I stopped myself many times before I jumped off the building.” Does it mean that the teacher told him to do it or is it just a message he left behind to lead people to think that his teacher did it? (Sorry for the conspiracy theory but I had lived in China for too long not to pick up the “everything’s a conspiracy” mindset) They’ll have to question the other two kids present to know the details. I hope it wasn’t “Ms. Lin” because she would have to be atrociously depraved to tell a student that.

          • Guest23

            Understandable, but knowing kids, we should encourage them to do good on that age, not too much criticism, that leads to low self-esteem and pressure, and those Chinese outlets keep describing the boy as *foolish* , *naive* or even *delinquent*.

          • Andrew

            Unfortunately that’s the Chinese philosophy when it comes to education: you won’t be rewarded much when you succeed but you will be punished when you fail. Because they think kids should just behave as experienced adults. 😔

          • Guest23

            Conformity with a deference to authority, seeing this as part of the culture and traditions on a lot of Asian countries, you won’t see change soon and the stories on student suicides because of strict discipline and the teachers/school’s not taking that much responsibility, irks me too much

          • Andrew

            You’d think the situation should be getting better with the internet generation growing up and becoming parents. But alas… history is repeating itself.

          • linette lee

            Maybe the boy is lazy. Or maybe the boy has learning disability. Some kids have ADHD. They can’t stay focus for long and can’t learn at the same speed like normal kids. They usually learn 15 minutes and then need to do something else, take a break before they can come back to continue on the lesson. They need many breaks in between lesson due to attention deficit. But they are just as bright as normal kids. Some are even genius in other areas. Their brains just work different then “normal” people. They struggle and fall behind because the “normal” school system don’t work on them. There are many other types of learning disability. Dyslexia, dysgraphia, dyspriaxia..etc.. If the kid don’t behave or fall behind in school, the parents and teachers should first figure out if any possibility of learning disability. These kids suffer a lot because the the learning process in the normal school system don’t fit them. The parents need to step in to help with the study and maybe hire after school tutor to study with the kid so won’t fall behind. At least with math and reading writing. Those are important. All the other subjects probably not that important in life. No one care for history class. The parents just need to understand what is important for their kid to do well and what is not and just don’t waste too much time on it. Everyone can do well in something so focus on that.

          • Guest23

            Problem with disabilities, is that it’s pretty much a detriment or even a stigma in China, you won’t see much understanding parents who are overly protective on their children being called *retard* and a lot of unqualified people working on those schools and I don’t see any other articles referring to this kid having any of those and those individuals who do, don’t usually commit suicide.

          • linette lee

            The Asian countries should really start learning about mental health or neurological illness in human. So this way they can learn how to handle it in their society. Their citizens need to be informed by TV programs. Stop watching stupid dramas.

          • mr.wiener

            Maybe make dramas about people with mental health issues?

          • linette lee

            That is a really good idea. They should do something like it’s about a teenager and his own perspective during learning in public school system. How he manage to overcome or what methods he used to study…and blablab..and of course a love story to mix in or else no one would watch. lol.

            Or about a family with a kid suffering learning disability and how the parents handle it what methods..blablab and a love story mix in with it or else no one would watch…hahahaha…lol.

          • Guest23

            Loved this film here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Heaven pretty much underrated but gets the message through

          • linette lee

            I heard about that movie. I never watched it. Maybe I will take sometime to watch. It will make me cry.

          • Guest23

            If you’re interested, watch this too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taare_Zameen_Par you can check both of those in youtube.

          • linette lee

            To write these kind of dramas the screen writer need to be educated by a child psychologist, neurologist, mental health physicians and all those specialists in order to write something that’s educational. That’s too much work for these big tV station folks. lol.

          • Riddler

            ‘The Adventures of Eattot’

          • mr.wiener

            I shouldn’t laugh, but that is funny :)

          • Riddler

            :-) I just couldn’t help it man i am sorry hahahah!

          • Guest23

            It dates far back than TV dramas, people believed that those with mental illnesses are either *black sheep of the family bloodline* or *possessed or cursed by an evil spirit* which leads to modern day translation as *They are a burden and they are different*

          • maybeabanana

            Good point in encouragment and going about it wrong.. but the kid does have his wires tangled somewhere, whether it is his fault or anyone elses. His act of suicide is just the easy way out rather than having a different approach in overcoming what he thinks is hard. Clever kids will come up with some sort of go around it like this : http://i.imgur.com/S3ZWuCE.jpg .

          • linette lee

            kids are so cute aren’t they. I love the H…lol.

          • DavidisDawei

            Conspiracy as in…
            Toss the kid off the roof, plant the suicide note and demand compensation from the school/teacher?

          • Andrew

            Of course not. Parents fabricate the note after finding out kid’s dead and plant the evidence. Or the kid might have done it himself because he hated that the teacher was so severe with the punishment; he might have wanted to incriminate “Ms. Lin” with his death. All theory though of course…… You never know…

        • linette lee

          If the teacher said that then he was wrong. With kids sudden things you can say and sudden things you can’t. When dealing with children and teenagers the teachers need to be educated about how to talk and handle them. The kids are growing and their hormones make them emotionally unstable.

          • Guest23

            Which is why at that age, is the most important, the teachers who will probably be with them for years have to be careful at communication and interaction, you’re gonna be a big influence to them if you like it or not, and just because you have a degree in teaching doesn’t make you qualified on handling children, seen a lot of that.

          • linette lee

            certain not sudden.

  • dconn

    You don’t kill yourself because you have to write 1,000. words ..”i suck ass. im stupid. very very stupid. dumb ass…etc” ..our teacher would make us write all the time as punishment. my hands would hurt ,but we did it. We never thought of killing ourselves geez

    • DavidisDawei

      This story reminds me of a previous story when a girl killed herself because the school forced her to cut her hair…
      I also recall a few stories about people falling out of buildings that were reported as suicides that may not have been.

  • Guest

    the kid was bad at school.. for talking.. OMG!!! he was doing WHAT?! i can’t believe it! such a bad egg!!!!

    why subject a 10-year old boy to write criticism about himself? at that age, shouldn’t we be building up children’s self esteem instead of having them beat themselves down on paper?

    • linette lee

      If no talking allowed during lesson or meeting, the kid shouldn’t really be talking. But it has to be reasonable. No talking for a few minutes for small kids. No talking like the whole lesson for big kids. That’s reasonable. Smaller kids can’t control their behavior as well as mature older kids. Of course you can train them.

      • guest

        i don’t know if rules should be that rigid. but it’s an idea worth exploring.
        childhood (and life as a whole) is something to be enjoyed. i had my fair share of teachers who tried to ‘train’ me to forget that

        • tsinoy

          Don’t blame the teacher. 7 years old, I was punished in school (hit on the palms by a plastic ruler) for not doing my homework. When I reached home, my parents punished me again because my teacher reported me. I didn’t lose my self esteem because my parents talked to me after why I was disciplined. Never forgot that.

          On another occasion, I have to squat for half an hour at the guidance counselor’s office because I fought with the bullies in school. Of course, the bullies were with me being punished. Didn’t like that I was also punished but I knew I did something bad for violating the school’s policy. Fine by me.

          Being a parent, my kids get a good spanking now and then. It’s followed by a good heart-to-heart talk afterwards. “Spare the rod, spoil the child.”… the Bible tells me so.

          • guest

            i guess it might have been implied that i was blaming the teacher (though i didn’t outright say that). my meaning was that positive re-enforcement is usually better than punishment.

      • Riddler

        Well he certainly won’t be talking again.

    • Jahar

      They were disrupting a reading competition, i think it said. When i was in elementary school, we didn’t do that. or we got punished.

  • David

    What was that first picture? It was like hanging upside down out a window? Was it supposed to be the perspective of the boy before he jumped?

    • Riddler

      Real man, they like to keep it real.

    • Germandude

      The story was posted in the evening (China time). Maybe the author thought that during those hours, all cS readers are freaking wasted due to happy hours in the bars…

      The pic isn’t upside down if you consider reading it after falling down the bar stool.

      • David

        Good point, how silly of me.

  • linette lee

    This kid sounds like he has lots of self esteem issues. If he feels so sad and troubled about the punishment, why wouldn’t he go to his parents? This is just one incident. In life he will face many difficult situations, then he will go jump off the building every time? Why can’t he go to his parents? He is a kid and that’s why he has adult supervision. I think they should look into his family first before blaming the teacher. If the parents find the punishment unreasonable, they can also go see the teacher.

    • UserID01

      You’re correct. The teacher couldn’t possibly have known what kind of mental or emotional distress this kid might have been having. The decision to commit suicide rarely comes quickly or easily. He must have been considering it for a while before he felt he reached his breaking point. While I do think a 1,000 word self-criticizing essay is a bit extreme for a fifth grader, I don’t think the alternative (standing for an hour) is anything to kill yourself over. The teacher is blameless. Tough homework assignments don’t drive normal, sane, mentally and emotionally stable people to kill themselves.

      • Nixys

        The teacher should have at least maybe guessed that the kid didn’t have a perfect home life. The whole point was that it was PUNISHMENT- so of course the teacher knew it would be emotionally unpleasant for the kid. They just didn’t know HOW much the kid was already hurting, which is, in my opinion, a crime of negligence on the teacher’s part.

        • Rick in China

          Yes. Teachers are expected to be omniscient and to have full insight into the personal/home life of every student under their care. This way, they can carefully consider and think out whether a student is capable of a 1 hour detention or will jump off a building, so they know which students can cause disruption and misbehave/bother other students without punishment. It’s CLEARLY negligence. Not by the teacher, but by you, to not practice what you’re preaching – perhaps the teacher was in a rough spot, and had a lot of pressure, or was following a standard set by the school, who the fuck are you to point fingers? Get over yourself.

          That being said, sad situation, wish the kid didn’t feel helpless and end his young life, however, to blame the teacher with so little knowledge about the situation OR the people involved is just a ridiculous assumptive asshole sentiment.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            When the student has a panic attack over writing a single friggin essay that should have sent up a warning that something was off.

          • Ami

            Yes because kids NEVER cry to get out of something.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Kids also don’t jump out of buildings over something.

          • Ami

            Thats true, but how could a teacher predict that one suicidal kid from all the others just because he was crying? And its not like he was randomly sobbing, it was after a punishment he choose. Should we just throw all crying children in the loony bin to prevent suicide? Or maybe fire all teachers who aren’t omnipotent mind-reading psychologists.

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Not throw them in the nuthouse, jeez that’ll make it worse. Teachers are essentially surrogate parents as they spend almost as much time with kids as their parents do. They need to be able to deal with ‘problem students’ because as much of a problem they are, they are still impressionable.

            That isn’t being, omnipotent, that’s being trained for the job. Teachers need to be able to deal with kids, not just cram knowledge down their throats. If that was it, they could be replaced with computers.

          • Ami

            -Did you read the story: the teacher DID “deal” with his problem students. A group of children were talking and they got their whole class kicked out of something: So they teacher punished the talkers. Kids talking and getting in trouble is normal, right? Kids crying to get out of trouble is also normal.

            -I do think a 1000 word self criticism essay is harsh but going by the chinese commenters on here: thats common in China.
            – What I’m saying is that from what was reported in this article NOTHING the teacher did was abnormal and nothing the child did (prior to killing himself) was abnormal.
            Do you really think that crying AFTER getting in trouble is unusual?

          • Ami

            “teachers are essentially parents”
            Parents with 10 to 20+ kids who may only spend a few hours a day, 5 days a week with their “kids”.

            Radical Idea: how about actual parents try being parents and realize their responsibility for their child and their child’s behavior.

          • Nixys

            Look, I would much rather blame the teacher than the kid. And it’s not based on “no information whatsoever” – it’s clearly stated in the article that the teacher heard the kid crying and the kid was very upset that might not be able to do the essay. Who assigns an essay to a ten year old on all their personal faults, anyway? Did the teacher have no idea whatsoever that the kids parents were divorced? Because I would assume if you have a kid making trouble, that should be one of your very first thoughts.

          • freshwang

            Why is everyone so focused on the 1,000 word essay? Did you just forget that his alternative was to stand around for an hour? People like Nixys propagate the idea that kids don’t have to held responsible for anything, even their own actions. It’s easier to blame adults because we’re suppossed to know better. I’m pretty sure a 10 yr old knows whats better, slamming into the pavement from 30 stories, or standing around for an hour after class.

          • Nixys

            First of all, I’m not sure I buy that “alternative” story. The kid maybe couldn’t stay for a hour after class or something- there’s got to be more to it than just “he didn’t want to” – the child was clearly way too distressed for that.

            Second of all, if you choose to see suicide as a moral failing, that’s on you. I prefer to live in a world in which suicide, especially that of a child, is a horrible tragedy.

          • Boris

            Have you taught kids in China? They will cry at the slightest things. I had a student who thought of herself very smart compared to the rest of the class and in one word game she came last. She started crying. For 30 minutes. Then when it was break time, she was fine.

            The student had a choice. He probably didn’t want to stand around for an hour and then chose the essay, then panicked and then decided it was too much when he got back and jumped off the building (Teacher should have given him lines to do like I had to do back when I was a kid).Some people are thinking these kids won’t do these on the spur of the moment. He probably did.

            The teacher is not at fault. To blame the teacher is idiotic. It is not like the kid was coming into school with bruises. It is hard to tell how mentally strong or weak someone is, especially kids. I do think it depends on their growing up environment. My mother grew up when her country was amidst a civil war. My dad had to start working and providing for his family (father and siblings) at the age of 13.

            To blame the teacher is because you are choosing to go with your emotion than your sense.

          • Germandude

            Unfortunately, we are living in times in which everybody blames the other to drop responsibility.
            “My kid is bad at school and behaving like shit? Fuck his teachers who failed to raise him!”

            Thank god that I didn’t become a teacher eventhough my mom wanted me to be…

          • Joseph rodriguez

            Agree man, good for you! For me, I sometimes have sleepless nights in China worrying if my students will flunk their tests.If the child passes kudos to their kid! If the child fails, the teacher is not doing his job.

          • Nixys

            All kids cry, not just Chinese kids. Are you seriously suggesting that teachers can never be held responsible for anything, ever? There are tons of cases of outright negligence or cruelty on the part of teachers. Just because some teachers mean well, does not mean all do, and it’s a simple fact that being a teacher is a position that gives you a lot of power over vulnerable young kids whether you realize it or not.

            You don’t know the kids motivation, you’re jumping to conclusions just as much if not more than you accuse me of doing.

          • Rick in China

            “Are you seriously suggesting that teachers can never be held responsible for anything, ever?”
            Straw man much? I’d say you’re projecting – saying teachers must be held responsible for EVERYTHING, ALWAYS. “There are tons of cases” – sure, but this is not one, and you do not have enough information or seemingly enough logical sense to justify pinning this situation on this teacher.

            Nobody disagrees with you that it is a terrible tragedy. It’s unfortunate that the kid jumped off a building. The argument is whether the teacher was RIGHT to penalise the kid with a simple “1000 word essay or standing for 1 hour” for disrupting an event which, apparently, even caused other children to be like “stop bothering me!”. You’re suggesting what…..that there was no punishment? Or that the punishment of 1000 word essay or 1 hour standing was FAR TOO EXTREME, and clearly caused the kid to kill himself? Lets be clear here: what exactly is your argument? Don’t just rant about the teacher should have known x y z, talk about the actions and facts we have and tell us what you think should have happened, don’t make up some ridiculous scenario that fits your bill of ‘the right way’….work within the confines of what we know, then maybe you’ll come to a logical conclusion: based on what we know, there wasn’t any NEGLIGENCE or CRUELTY on the part of the teacher, and the kid clearly had issues which are far out of the scope of the teacher’s duty to deal with. I’d wager it’s more likely the parents than the teacher to blame, but we don’t have the information to flesh that one out.

          • Nixys

            Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. The punishment was too severe. Either one of them would have been. The teacher probably should have gotten a clue when the kid burst into tears. As for what caused him to kill himself, I cannot read minds and can only speculate, but in the kids OWN FREAKING WORDS it was in fact the punishment, which probably just was the straw that broke the camel’s back because he had a sh*tty home life already.

            I never said there was cruelty on the part of this particular teacher, but I think negligence, yes, perhaps. People don’t just kill themselves at the drop of the hat 9/10 times. There are almost always signs.

          • Rick in China

            Ok, now we’re getting somewhere.

            If the story is as written above, not as speculated (the whole teacher suggested/said “go jump off a roof” at some point, which would be horrendous and fit the bill of cruelty, negligence, and possibly worse)…and the punishment was ‘too severe’ because of the child’s situation and as you say, broke the camel’s back, then I ask you this:

            If you’re sitting outside drinking coffee and a 5th grader walks by, slaps your coffee off the table spilling it on you, you say something like “What’s wrong with you!” – and the child as a result, says “SO MUCH IS WRONG!” then runs into traffic….gets hit by a bus….is that your negligence and severe punishment towards not understanding that kid had serious issues outside? What’s the difference? Is that also a super severe inappropriate response? If my kid was disrupting a ceremony or event and a teacher gave him a long writing assignment *OR* a 1 hour detention, I’d be surprised that 1) the teacher gave the kid a choice, and 2) in China, that’s *ALL* that happened.

          • Nixys

            Uh, well, to be really honest with you, I would never say that to a child. Like, ever.

          • Probotector

            Do you have any children of your own?

          • Nixys

            I’m a nanny for two kids, 10 and 12.

          • Probotector

            That’s not the same thing. I’ll repeat the question.

            Do you have any children of your own?

          • Nixys

            Nope.

          • Probotector

            Do the world a favour; don’t have any.

          • Nixys

            If you promise to jump off a building, I sincerely promise I’ll refrain. Deal?

          • Probotector

            Is that all you can say? That was the brightest response you could come up with? Look, your molly-coddling attitude is one of the main causes of what is wrong with society, both in China and in the West. This notion that children are not ever responsible for their actions, and that ‘punishment is cruel’, is what’s led to generations of self-centred, abusive and is some cases, violent children and young people.

            In the case of this child, he was given a rather lenient punishment. As I mentioned elsewhere, I received worse punishments when I was younger than this kid, and later on through my life, as did most of us. The fact is, you are of the mentality of people who see punishment as degradation, humiliation and abuse, while the rest of us see it as discipline. Look beyond your own childhood trauma, grow up and stop it with the bleeding heart nonsense. Children need discipline and structure in order to teach them the way to behave in civilised society and the difference between right and wrong.

          • Rick in China

            Agreed. That’s why I’m saying if the story above is correct, I’d be a little surprised that where strictness is standard, the teacher actually gave him a choice. I’d only include the teacher as being a terrible person if he told the kid to jump off the roof, but that’s conjecture. The bottom line is, it’s a terrible situation in that a child died – and it’s difficult to spread blame..there are likely a whole bunch of people to blame, and I’d wager the parents’ or some set of his caregivers are more to blame than others, including the teacher. Children need a little structure and discipline. 1 hour standing…….my god, if that is truly the ‘straw that broke the camels back’, I’d say that poor camel must have had a horrible and shitty life to be put in a situation where such an inconsequential and by China standards light punishment leads to “I need to die.” If I was religious I’d say the kid is in a better place.

          • Nixys

            Don’t worry yourself, I can be a ruthlessly cruel bitch when needed, especially to idiots like you.

            Just not to innocent children.

            Are you one of those creeps who thinks China and South Korea’s educational system is the perfect model system? You admire the Nazis for their ruthless efficiency? The Soviets for their brainwashing par excellence?

            Self-centered, abusive and violent children aren’t always made. In some cases, they’re born. In other cases, negligence causes them to act out. In other cases, violence and abuse does.

            It’s telling that you think of this entire case as an overwhelming success demonstrating how very well discipline works to mold model human beings like yourself.

          • Germandude

            “Are you one of those creeps who thinks China and South Korea’s educational system is the perfect model system? You admire the Nazis for their ruthless efficiency? The Soviets for their brainwashing par excellence?”

            Now one could argue that exactly this kind of education is what is still present as of today. You know, not feeling to be responsible for your actions, while anybody criticizing malfunctions is ridiculed.

            I don’t know where you grew up, but Europe’s “laissez-faire” attitude on young criminals is a pandora’s box that already shows us what the outcome is. And we are willing to further open it by taking away responsibility from parents raising their kids while not showing the youth its borders within societies. Ask any police officer in any of Europe’s major cities. Good examples are: Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Paris, Lyon, London, Liverpool, Manchester, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Madrid.

          • Nixys

            So, yes, you are one of those creeps? I’m not European, and I won’t defend their system.

          • Germandude

            What do you mean by creeps?

          • Nixys

            I mean you typed all of that up just to tell me “Yes, I disagree with you.”

          • Germandude

            Well, you typed a rather long post to explain your point which I disagree with. I then have the courtesy to write up a reply that goes a bit further than “LOL, I disagree ^^ stfu, l33t” to at least give you some respect and in my eyes, show you how the current western education is not helpful.

            If that’s offending you, then I am one of those creepy bastards that disagrees with creeps like you.

            Honestly, I still don’t know what creeps mean (coming from creepy?)

          • Nixys

            Dude, it’s okay, your masculinity is safe. Don’t worry so much what other people think. We can happily continue to disagree with each other.

          • Probotector

            Jeez, you’re just pissing everybody off, huh? What does that say about you?

          • Nixys

            That I won’t be cowed into not expressing my opinion by assholes?

          • Probotector

            No, it says your beliefs are unpopular, so you should drop the preaching.

          • Nixys

            Hey, try googling “argumentum ad populum.”

            You’re welcome for the free education, see, you got something nice out of this, I’m really a sweetheart.

          • Probotector

            The point is, no one on here agrees with you.

          • Nixys

            And?

          • Probotector

            See my other reply to you.

          • Manchester is alright, if anything toughens you up, you learn to throw a few punches. Was walking around a dodgy area of manchester with an aussie mate, some local scallies decided to harass us, nothing a sharp get fucked and threat of violence to the little shits didnt solve. Be streetsmart and not scared to walk the streets. I choose not to depend on the police and carry a knife or something.

          • Probotector

            What the hell are you talking about? You’re saying disciplining a child is now akin to Nazism? I suppose you think smacking a child is abuse don’t you?

          • Nixys

            Did I say that? No. Did I say you’re an asshole? Yes.

          • Probotector

            You made the implied connection, don’t mince words. Actually you didn’t say I’m an asshole, you said “idiots like you”. I guess reading is another thing that’s difficult for you then. You also said “I can be a ruthlessly cruel bitch when needed”, well, if you insist, then no argument there.

            Look, I’m not your husband who left you, nor am I your weak father, and I won’t kowtow to your liberal interpretation that children shouldn’t be punished.

          • Nixys

            I did indeed say you were an asshole, in another comment to some other guy. Sorry you missed that. I’m not a liberal, I’m my dad’s favorite child, and I left my ex-fiance, nice try though. Now you’re up to asshole, idiot, and boring, too.

          • Probotector

            So you’re happy to insult others, especially behind their backs, all because they disagree with you, but you can’t take it in return? All insults aside, you’re still wrong about how to raise children, and I’m not the only one who thinks so.

          • Nixys

            I’m happy to insult you, yes. It wasn’t behind your back though, it was in public. I’m taking it return quite well. I’m not wrong, you are and I’m not the only one who thinks so.

            Wasn’t that productive? Feel better?

          • Probotector

            Let’s see what we know about you from what you’ve stated overall:

            1. You believe that punishing children is fundamentally cruel, and that teachers especially are wrong to do it, you even implied it was akin to Nazism. These are all traits of a guilt-laden white liberal.

            2. You were “daddy’s favourite child”, implying that you were spoiled growing up, meaning that you have never experienced true discipline in your life.

            3. You have no children of your own, oh nut you do nanny sometimes, like that’s even anything like the same level of responsibility, so you don’t know what it’s like to take on the genuine responsibility of raising a child.

            4. You consider children to be totally innocent and devoid of all responsibility for their actions, and seem oblivious to the fact that this breeds malcontents.

            5. Apart from me, no one else has been offensive to you, they’re merely candidly disagreeing with you, and yet you label them as creeps and assholes anyway.

            No one on this forum agrees with you, I know that hurts you deeply and makes you think that we’re all wrong, but please, you have to face the reality that you’re just an idiot with an axe to grind against teachers or anyone else who dispenses discipline.

          • Nixys

            1. Never said that.
            2. First part is true, last part is not. Maybe you should stop and consider that you don’t know the whole story?
            3. Yep. Have never denied this once.
            4. Never stated this.
            5. Nope, I only labeled you as an asshole, because you are by far the biggest asshole.

            I’m well aware. It doesn’t hurt me deeply. I do think you’re all wrong.

            Not gonna accept your reality, keep trying though, it’s kind of unbelievable at this point.

          • Probotector

            1. Never said that.

            Let’s see:

            “Are you one of those creeps who thinks China and South Korea’s educational system is the perfect model system? You admire the Nazis for their ruthless efficiency? The Soviets for their brainwashing par excellence?”

            This means you’re implying that my position that children need discipline are akin to all these things. Btw, what’s wrong with South Korea’s educational system?

            2. First part is true, last part is not. Maybe you should stop and consider that you don’t know the whole story?

            I’ll concede that one.

            3. Yep. Have never denied this once.

            Glad we agree you know noting about raising children.

            4. Never stated this.

            Let’s see:

            “Delinquents especially should not be assumed to “just be naturally bad kids” right away.”

            “I would much rather blame the teacher than the kid.”

            “of course the teacher knew it would be emotionally unpleasant for the kid. They just didn’t know HOW much the kid was already hurting, which is, in my opinion, a crime of negligence on the teacher’s part.”

            “Children are by definition incapable of caring for themselves”

            So you really don’t think children are fundamentally innocent? Your past comments indicate you do.

            5. Nope, I only labeled you as an asshole, because you are by far the biggest asshole.

            Well you did call German Dude a creep for disagreeing with you.

            The issue of most other people disagreeing with you, bearing in mind they have more experience with child rearing and supporting a family than you do, indicates that you are probably incorrect. The fact that you are not gonna accept your reality” indicates you’re stubbornness to accept alternative possibilities.

          • Nixys

            Yeah, that’s a bit of a leap in logic. Actually, that implies that you are a person who admires things that are efficient even if they might say, kill people as a side effect. In no way is the equation discipline = nazis. The equation is “efficient system that occasionally kills people, oops, oh well, necessary sacrifice. Have to break a few eggs and all.”

            The point you are missing here, which I have stated time and again, by the way, is that not all children are the same. Some are “natural delinquents” and some are not. I’ve said this, you’re purposefully choosing to pretend I haven’t.

            I never called him a creep. I said, “So, you are telling me, “yes I am one of those creeps” which is quite different. You see, the subtlety there escaped you, he HIMSELF identified with that description and VOLUNTEERED for it, because he was so disturbed that a random stranger on the internet could think he was “one of those creeps.”

            It does not in fact indicate that, did you google argumentum ad populum? Just curious, do you believe in God? How many people do? Is that proof that God exists?

            Yes, it does indeed indicate my stubbornness. Glad we agree there!

            I’m starting to pity you, and that means this isn’t fun anymore.

          • Probotector

            Straw manning again I see.

            Discipline isn’t designed to kill people. Nazi policies were. Where’s the connection?

            Even if you said not all children are the same, you made a passionate case, several times, that children are being victimized when punishment is dished out, implying an inherent innocence about them.

            “Just curious, do you believe in God? How many people do? Is that proof that God exists?”

            Again, a useless analogy, because morality can’t be quantified the same way the existence of God could, (if we could ever find the evidence, or not). Morals are usually determined to be correct based on their effectiveness, and the proportion of how many in society view them as virtues. Now, this is all semantics, I grant you, and I won’t deny there’s a thin line between discipline and abuse. Can you tell me then, how you would have dealt with this child? How would you have punished him? Would you have punished him at all.

            Interestingly, reading through your other comments on other forums, it seems we’d agree on many other social, economic and political issues, so why so liberal on the child discipline front?

          • Nixys

            Because it’s not a liberal issue, it’s a human being issue.

            The connection is that some people think the ends justify the means, or think it’s okay to save time and cut corners. They think one size fits all. Just get the kids in, get em out. Standardized everything. If they can’t keep up, they’re losers. Schools are factories for future workers, or scientists, or party members, or whatever.

            This kind of thing, wherein you sacrifice humanity to get efficiency, is, well, in a word, evil. That’s exactly what the CCP does to its people all the time. It is not a virtue.

            Stepping back, and thinking, “maybe I will take more time, and slightly less efficiency, in order to let a few more exceptions through if it means bad things don’t happen,” is better.

            IE, to put it in political terms: Wealth is not why capitalism and democracy are better. Freedom is why they are better. I mean, yeah, the wealth is nice, too, but freedom’s really the point.

            Scratch the God comparison. How many people at one point believed the world was flat? At one point in history, say 75% of people did. The other 25% were the minority, but they were objectively right. This is why “what’s popular” is a really bad way to evaluate what is true and untrue.

            As for me, I would, before punishing a child- at least after seeing the kid cry about the punishment- ask him if he was okay, if there was anything going on at home, try to connect with him a bit.

          • Probotector

            I’d agree with most of what you said, but do you really think punishing a child like this is sacrificing one’s humanity? What would you have done?

          • Nixys

            ‘Sacrificing one’s humanity?’ No.

            “Maybe should have thought a little more”? yes.

          • Germandude

            ” This notion that children are not ever responsible for their actions, and that ‘punishment is cruel’, is what’s led to generations of self-centred, abusive and is some cases, violent children and young people.”

            +1000000000000000000000

          • Rick in China

            “If you promise to jump off a building”

            What if Probotector is in a fragile state which you clearly are overlooking, and actually went out and jumped off a building due to your comment. Would you not feel utter disgust for yourself at making such a callous comment, leading to the mental break leading to death of another human? Isn’t that a little bit hypocritical?

          • Nixys

            Nope. He’s an adult male asshole, I stopped feeling responsible for them since my first whiny ex. That’s on his adult conscience, not mine. Nice try, though.

          • Rick in China

            I did try. Oh well,

            Let’s digress:

            Probo responded with the thoughts that there’s a need to teach children responsibility and discipline or, if they’re allowed to behave however they please without any sense of punishment for negative actions, they will grow up into relatively horrible people.

            Your response was to suggest he admires Nazis and Soviet Russia.

            I’d go so far as to say almost all of your responses seem to build straw man arguments. You immediately jump to extremes and project these thoughts on other people’s posts, then reply to those extrapolated made-up implications.

            You’ve brought Godwin’s Law into effect at record pace my dear. Record pace. Congrats :D

          • Nixys

            Thank you.

            I would point out that it was in fact his own straw man that I have ever stated in any form that children should not ever be disciplined.

          • Probotector

            Wouldn’t it be ironic if an ‘innocent male child’ physically assaulted you?

          • Nixys

            Uhhhhhhhh, buddy, I think you’re an asshole because you’re acting like an asshole. And you’re obviously quite proud of it, so why be offended?

            Thanks for the free psychoanalysis, I won’t take it under advisement.

            I really don’t even know what the hell you mean when you say it would be ironic that an “innocent male child assaulted me”? WTF? Are you on crack?

            Hahaha, well, thanks for entertaining me, I guess.

          • Probotector

            Well yeah, if entertainment is all you can get out of something your mind can’t comprehend, then fair enough.

            I know the psychoanalysis goes over your head a bit, but I’m glad you’re grateful.

            As for the last bit, the meaning, you moron, is that since you believe children to be fundamentally innocent, the prospect of a child actually doing something willfully evil to you would shatter your belief system would it not?

            You get it now do you? Was I simplistic enough for you?

          • guest

            you two should just go bang and get it over with already

          • Nixys

            Yeah, so how did you get that I believe children are fundamentally innocent when I very clearly stated “some are born bad” earlier?

            Come on, this is getting boring now. At least try a new tactic or something.

          • Probotector

            See the other reply to you.

          • linette lee

            Why a nanny isn’t the same like parents? I babysit my nephews and I understand them and what they like and don’t like. I have pretty good idea of what they think in their mind most of the time. If you are in charge of caring for children you understand them and the responsibility involved.

          • Probotector

            Because you are not ultimately responsible for them and can send them home at the end of the day. Babysitting for a few hours is an entirely different kettle of fish to taking care of a child all day, every day for years on end. The vigilance, and effort required far dwarfs that of a babysitter or au pair. Moreover, the relationship you have with them is long-term, and by implication, it shapes their psychology as they grow up. I didn’t think this would need explaining.

          • linette lee

            Not true. They stay over at my place some times and I study homework with them. I am their weekend tutor also. I worry for them when they are sick or get in trouble in school not behaving. Sometimes the baby sitter understand the kids more or just as much if the baby sitter communicate with the children just as much as the parents. Of course the finally decision of how to raise the child is up to the parents.

          • Probotector

            It’s really not the same thing. When/if you have children of your own, you’ll understand.

          • moody

            punishment too severe ???
            the kid probably stand for an hour twice a day in the subway on his to or back from school, how hard is it ?

          • Joseph rodriguez

            The teacher’s routine punishment was the breaking point. Tough luck for everybody involved in this one.

          • Joseph rodriguez

            The student’s emotional intelligence was too low too handle the pressure. We all know where emotional intelligence comes from…

          • TealRose

            He was 10 .. not 16 … he with others had already been punished . It was WAY over the top. A quick ‘YOU all should have been more respectful and quiet you know!’ Would have been enough. And yes, the teacher ought to know a heck of a lot about her children .. every single one. THAT is what a good teacher does. It’s what my daughter is being taught to do in her university course on childcare/teaching. Of course they can’t know every detail – but something had to be far wrong for a small child of ten to kill himself in such a brutal manner. It sounds like that punishment was the straw that broke the camel’s back … Poor little soul …

          • Probotector

            To be fair, he probably jumped because this was the first time anyone ever said ‘no’ to him.

          • Nixys

            Ha, that’s cold.

          • Probotector

            So is his corpse.

          • Riddler

            Holy shit!

          • freshwang

            Moral failing? It’s not about morals or lack thereof. I don’t think a 10 yr old is capable of moral dilemmas, so it doesn’t apply at all. However, they are fully capable of choosing between life, or death.

          • Jahar

            I’m with you, freishie. standing for an hour isn’t tough.

          • moody

            is that sarcasm ? i can’t tell

          • Jahar

            nope. I do agree. Nothing to kill yourself over. The straw that breaks the camels back isn’t to blame.

          • voodoo

            I don’t think, however, that teachers should bend to the whim of children. I think 1000words, or 1hr detention, is unreasonable. However…how was the teacher to know whether the kid wasn’t just throwing a tantrum? Lots of kids have caught on that crying/whining long enough will get them their way – I’m positive that you have seen this in action at stores or restaurants.
            So, what’s more reasonable to assume: that the kid is emotionally distressed/traumatized by the idea of this punishment, or that he’s whining to get out of being punished? Because the teacher DOES have to make a decision: punish the kid, or let him get away with it.

          • Nixys

            HE COMMITTED SUICIDE. Have you ever been suicidal? People don’t commit suicide to be annoying or get out of punishment or because they’re cranky. They do it because they’re in unbearable pain and feel like they have no one to turn to who understands them.

            Look, I am not saying lock up the teacher and throw away the key, but I think it’s ludicrous for the teacher not to feel some guilt and examine their actions here.

          • freshwang

            People commit suicide all the time because, somehow, in their own twisted version of reality, it is preferable. Suicide is the ultimate “I win” in the face of impending responsibility.

          • Ami

            Many children, good and bad, have troubles at home ranging from parents divorcing to poverty to abuse. These are all sad things that can cause a lot of stress on anyone and especially children who can do nothing about them.
            But at the same time not everyone shows their stress the same way. Just because a kid is crying doesn’t mean they’re suicidal.

          • Nixys

            True enough, but I doubt there were no other signs.

          • freshwang

            I don’t think there are any signs that you can attribute to a suicidal 10 yr old that isn’t prominently exhibited by just about every other 10 yr old in the world…

          • Ivi

            The real problem here stems from the education system and the crazy society in which people are living right now in China. Many Kids here act like robots. The whole society is the problem, the way adults act, the way they raise their children, and mainly the education system. Teachers here don’t know any child psychology. This shows lack of intelligence, lack of knowledge and utter laziness on the part of the authorities who control the education system, and the parents who accept anything blindly. Chinese people use the same punishment for places that are so different: from elementary schools to private businesses, they do exactly the same thing, punishing all misconducts with a 1000 words essay of self criticism. They have to get rid of their ancient, Maoist or Confucianist (don’t know if it comes from the first or the later), conflict-solving skills. need to resolve their problem of lack of infrastructures and professionals in the field of psychiatry and psychology. Also, I’ve seen here parents who act as immature as their children. Really, many of these parents should not be allowed to take care of children.

        • Ami

          “They just didn’t know HOW much the kid was already hurting, which is, in my opinion, a crime of negligence on the teacher’s part.”

          I’m sorry this is really ridiculous. Do you know what negligence means and entails?
          I’m not even sure you read the story: An entire class was booted because of group of students in it were talking and 3 kids got extra punishment. Kids cry to get out of things, if we assumed every child that cried at school was suicidal I’m pretty sure every kid would be in a asylum.
          What happened was a tragedy but from the little information given nothing screams “negligence”.

          • Nixys

            Do you think it’s okay for teachers to never have any knowledge of their students home lives? Disabilities? Difficulties? I think those are pretty important things for teacher’s to pay attention to in this day and age, yes. One size doesn’t fit all.

          • Rick in China

            “Do you think it’s okay for teachers to never have any knowledge of their students home lives?”

            I absolutely disagree. If a teacher was nosing around in my personal affairs to better understand my child’s home life, I’d likely be VERY pissed off. It’s not a teacher’s job to investigate the circumstance of every child they look after, and to learn/understand/analyse/criticise, or make decisions or actions based on VERY loose levels of understanding things that they will never get more than a shallow sense of, and any attempt to do so would be what I’d consider an invasion of privacy. It’s one thing if the kid comes to school with bruises and cuts, and ask them wtf is going on – it’s another to probe every child about their home life actively and like, make notes – which is pretty much how I read your implication.

          • Nixys

            Well, we can agree to disagree. If you mean it’s an invasion of the privacy of the parents, I think in some terrible parents cases, assuming the child freely volunteers the information, that shouldn’t matter. Children really have no one to advocate for them except teachers and parents. That’s it. If both are bad, the child is stuck. Teachers don’t have to pry, but to notice, hey this kid doesn’t have any friends, hey this kid is late a lot, hey this kid seems sad, whatever- a good thing. Delinquents especially should not be assumed to “just be naturally bad kids” right away.

        • Joseph rodriguez

          You nailed it! I agree! A good teacher would be initially curious of the child’s background when behavioral problems manifests instead of admonishing them. Should have looked at a probable root cause rather than blaming to get faster results.Oops. I forgot! That is how they do things in China! Therefore as a laowai, I wouldn’t understand!

        • UserID01

          How the heck is the teacher supposed to know what goes on in the private lives of a student? ANY student? Unless, of course, that student outwardly expresses signs of distress or flat-out tells the teacher something is wrong. Teachers aren’t psychic.

    • Ami

      He was a 10 year old child. Even adults don’t always know what to do or who to turn to in times of distress.

    • Kiwi

      Probably because his parents would probably thrown him against the wall for having problems

    • Joseph rodriguez

      I might sound like an A-hole saying this, but the boy’s environment at home probably has greater contribution to this tragedy.Do you guys know how pressured kids are here? Scenario: A tiger parent pressures a child, the child excels with emotional imbalances. A non-tiger parent family gets intimidated by the Tiger kid’s grades so they pressure their child to do more. How does “don’t be so stupid!other kids have higher grades than you? What is wrong with you? If your grades do not improve no more playtime!) sound to you?

  • symon

    A simple 180 degree picture rotation would have been nice. looking at it makes me feel like im standing on my head.

  • 用开水烫我!

    parents should train kids a little bit too.
    teachers should not punish kids too much.
    sigh! got beat often by my father and punished by teachers often in school, could not stop me being a super excellent kid at all.
    at last teachers had to tell my mom, your kid is just too proud.

    • Riddler

      ‘could not stop me being a super excellent kid at all’

      Neither did it stop you from being super thick.

      • 用开水烫我!

        who your ?
        you know me well?

        • Riddler

          Very well. To my detriment.

          • 用开水烫我!

            go away, i do not know you!
            unless your that snob again!

          • Zappa Frank

            yes, of course i was hiding because you told me.. but i’m not Riddler. it’s strange that a super excellent kid turned out in you… you should not have never left your muddy puddle

          • 用开水烫我!

            fuck Off, one by one!
            tmd!

          • Zappa Frank

            you’re not even funny anymore just boring and dumb…i may say that i wasn’t giving a fuck about you, you know normal people, unlike you, have job, friends, a life.. but you called me.

          • Riddler

            She IS! She’s funny in the head.

          • Riddler

            One by one? Damn….like it that way?

          • Riddler

            Hide UP where? soooo kinky..

          • 用开水烫我!

            die early, snob dog!

          • Riddler

            Do you mean ‘Snoop Dog’?

        • Probotector

          We all know you eattot, because you never shut the hell up.

      • Germandude

        Hey, 用开水烫我! says she is a pretty girl and a “super excellent kid”. Now if I wasn’t married, I’d surely ask her for a date. Wouldn’t you?

        • Riddler

          Have you SEEN that picture she posted of herself? And you you READ what she says? No thank YOU sir. Forget condoms, you need a snorkel for that.

          • 用开水烫我!

            go die early, old snobbish dog!
            一脚踢死你!

          • Riddler

            Calm yourself.

          • 用开水烫我!

            hide up well ! you make me puke!

          • Germandude

            Irony mate.

    • Ami

      From what I understand of your comment:
      1st part: You were an “excellent kid” yet got beat by your teachers AND parents and also played hooky and then your teachers said you’re too proud? Most of that doesn’t sound like what an excellent kid would be…

      2nd part: your father shamed your sisters teacher and the teacher was never rude again? Why did the teacher want to kick your sister out and maybe your dad should have talked to your sister instead? Being honest: Chinese are known for hounding down and some even occasionally threatening teachers.

      • 用开水烫我!

        at least i went to the best middle school, every school only can have 3 or 6 kids go to that school.some poor schools even none. and from that middle school i went to the best high school so got a chance to study early in bit city.
        my father would never threaten any teacher, believe me!

  • Riddler

    What a foolish boy.

  • mr.wiener

    Many sites [including reddit] had reported that the child jumped because his teacher told him to, shameless sensationalism! Chinasmack is apparently a bastion of responsible reporting….who woulda thunk it?
    This whole “self criticism” is very different to how things are in the west [or used to be] , back when I used to teach [yep, I was an English teacher] The manager told me to write a self criticism or face suspension. I told her to take a long walk off a shorty pier…..The whole thing was conveniently forgotten after that.

    • Cauffiel

      You can be a teacher… you’re a native English speaker? :-o

      • mr.wiener

        All be it the Australian variety of English.
        When I was teaching ,15 years ago, they told all the kids parents I was from Boston, hence the weird accent.

        • Cauffiel

          I’m just messing with you, I knew you were Australian. :-D

        • Brett

          Haha, Boston!

        • Jahar

          albiet

          • mr.wiener

            albeit :)

          • Jahar

            pwned.

        • Best kind in the world me old mate. Flat out like a lizard drinkin’!

      • Joseph rodriguez

        I am a U.S. born and U.S. educated Filipino complete with all certifications to teach English. I AM NOT considered as a native English speaker here in China .So, the definition of native English speaker is quite messed-up here as most of my employers insist on employing me only if I don’t get the same compensation packages as the whites..err sorry, I meant native English Speakers.LOL!

        • mr.wiener

          I know a few US born Filipinos and the adversity and discrimination they suffer in Asia. It is a crappy situation.

    • Brett

      I’m just surprised someone got punished for talking during a speech or ceremony. I’ve never been to one where people actually listen in China.

      • Probotector

        Nor one where they don’t stop talking.

        • and using or browsing smartphones

          • Wenz

            …and how is that different in the USA…or Australia or anywhere these days?

          • I reckon it is an addiction or a compulsive obsessive disorder, and leads to poor social interaction. Granted in the west we have problems with facebook and so on, but the use and and obsession with smartphones in the east is at a whole other antisocial and apathetic level.

    • Germandude

      Hey mate, I know this must appear to be insane, but I gotta ask.

      You said you were an English teacher and you wrote: “who woulda thunk it?”. Now correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn’t it be “.who woulda thought it?” ??? I know “woulda” = would have. Not that I am a grammar Nazi, but I was actually thinking of checking out a dictionary for “thunk”. It can’t be correct though?

      • mr.wiener

        You can sarcastically or self deprecatingly use incorrect English. “Who woulda thunk it?” can imply either the listener or the person asking are stupid or badly educated.

        • Rick in China

          Who’da thunk it < works also

        • Germandude

          Ah I see. Thanks for clarifying.

    • slob

      The reports are translated directly on the Chinese websites as they appear on CS. The missus and I were browsing all of them yesterday after seeing this piece of news and none of them reported the teacher telling the kid to suicide. It’s clearly evident though when you read what the kid wrote : “Teacher, I can’t do it. I stopped myself many times before I jumped off the building.” A 10 year old just doesn’t think about suicide unless told or instructed to. I have 10 year old students and all they think about are computer games and comic books.

      I’m wondering though…how did the foreign news sites end up with the supposed real story that the teacher told him to jump (female teacher, 29 years old) whereas the Chinese news site didn’t get the real thing? Was it covered up? And if so…why? It’s not like she’s an overly important person like an official. Are Chinese news sources again trying to cover up things like this that embarrass the entire nation?

      • Rick in China

        Good point – I didn’t look into the words much, but…………it makes sense. Why the fuck did the kid write that if the teacher _didn’t_ say that. Investigation!!

      • lonetrey / Dan

        Ooooh. Good point! I didn’t even consider this.

        If this is the case…. this story just took a very VERY dark turn.

      • SonofSpermcube

        “A 10 year old just doesn’t think about suicide unless told or instructed to.”

        Horseshit. “This thing has not happened in my experience, therefore it is a thing that must not happen.”

        • iLcOrNaLiTo

          Whe I was 6 y/o I told my mother I wanted to kill myself…and I came from a “normal” family. So I think this can happen…

  • Alexander

    Though there are many positive sides to education in Korea, Japan and China, there are certainly some negative sides. Parents and teachers often times put too much pressure on children and if they don’t score well they are made to feel hopeless because the thinking is if you can’t score well on tests you must be stupid and therefore will amount to nothing but a poor rice farmer. The truth is that parents, teachers and children should not worry so much. If parents have some money and if the kids learn English, then they shouldn’t worry so much because a failure in China is probably going to be a success in America. I would bet that the worst math student in China could probably score B’s in America without really trying hard. Too much is centered around the test scores and the gaoke exam. It really doesn’t mean anything because if you know English you can avoid the gaoke by simply studying at an American university.

    • 用开水烫我!

      what you say is true,and for a kid,what the teacher say is just like a god’s order. chinese parents and kids listen to teachers too much.so once teachers say bad thing of a kid, the parents will just beat kid hard.so when kid needs help dare not to talk to parents either.they feel parents will beat them too.
      when i was a kid, i was thinking a lot everyday,i noticed that not do homework or not listen to teachers seemed not effect my scores in tests, so i did not care for homework that much at all.

      • maybeabanana

        Your point is somewhat true. School is like a mental jail. You are taught to obey rules and be docile just as the government wants. If you defy orders, you are punished via homework or detention or what nots. The kids don’t have the knowledge to understand of think about why they are being punished because they’ve been pressured to do this and that. There are a lot of mental blocks going unnoticed. How can a child grow being taught in such a manner and no character building? This is one reason so many people are messed up in the head with their social norms and expectations. You don’t deserve that downvote, so have an upvote from me.

        • We. dont need no educashion….duhhhh derrrrrr….we dont need no thawt control…..no dark sarcasm….hey teacher…..

          • maybeabanana

            Alright, Donald duck, Let me clarify this. Kids do not need elementary or grade school as simple math and english can be taught at home. *Reference to English schooling for now. Given that the parents gave a crap about their kids instead of dumping them to their grandparents and off to slave away. Kids act like such brats because they don’t get enough time with mature adults and they spend their time around other kids who have pretty much the same socially uneducated mentality. Had they spend more significant time with adults who means well, they will act more maturely without being affected by most of bratty immature brain dead snot heads. These snot face demanding little bastards, aren’t precious or unique, they just do their homework, do as they are told and do no know how to rationalize anything when they reach a quagmire. Now imagine parents that actually are financially stable and are quite fine to have a spawn responsibly. Teach their kid to have some moral responsiblity, respect, et al… maybe then there won’t be so much intolerable kids. School system is one dysfunction, add in kids that behaves like asses, you get fustrated teachers who don’t know better and kids that don’t know better. A crock of mess is what you get. So yes we need education, just the right kind of it durrrrrrrh.

          • linette lee

            I think nowadays raising kids are very expensive in the city. Is not for everyone. Both parents have to work so the family like grandma grandpa aunts and uncles have to step in to help babysit sometime. Us adults need to talk to the kids and communicate with them. Ask them about school and what happen in school daily. Care taker should have an idea who the kids friends are and the teachers. What they do in school daily and the class schedules. Get involved and know your kids daily activities. Just communicate with them. Kids love to talk nonstop and they will tell you if you listen. This is how they learn from adults. Don’t be afraid to hug and kiss your kids or nephews or nieces. You form trust. Showing love physically is a good thing.

          • Guest23

            Too much time for work not enough time for personal relationships, it’s pretty terrible if parents won’t have time to raise their children.

          • linette lee

            Unfortunately many families in the big cities are like that. They drop off their kids in daycare. Kids are being raised in daycare or by their grandparents. The family member all help out to baby sit. Most adults have to work.

          • It was from a song, no harm or foul intended. A good post there from you.

          • maybeabanana

            Sorry, I didn’t really need to clarify but I think a lot of people mistook education nowadays so I tend to get touchy over issues that really hit home. There are many highly intelligent indiviuals that did not go to college, so when I compared myself with them.. I felt embarrassed that I hold a BS in such and such and I could be so lacking until I spoke with them. I’ve also come to learn that education now is made a joke. People getting degrees that are their ‘passion’ but are utterly useless. People calling themselves pedigreed because they went to college. More degrees being spammed out and diluting what use to make a difference in one getting a job. No kids left behind… even a retard can get a so called degree. It’s a sad and pathetic society. Because so many people have to get degrees, competent people who are brilliant at a job cannot get that job because of the social standard for a degree. Amongst all these varieties of shit coming out of the education system, I cannot fully say how much I dispise it.
            On a side note, found this through tumblr and this child is grotesque and somehow I can relate her into my opinion of education. http://jessicabari.com/page-1/

          • even a retard can get a so called degree

            Not sure about that, not at some of the better universities. Being able to read and write is a fundamental requirement. You would be amazed how many people, couldn’t write a 1000 words well, let alone 10,000.

          • KamikaziPilot

            LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE!
            After all they’re all just another brick in the wall. Wasn’t that song kind of a protests against the rigid structure of the British educational systems back in the days? That song might be better suited to China’s school systems these days though.

          • That was my intended point. No more morning stretching exercises and listening to how a pervert pig farmer was a great man for me!

          • m0l0k0

            who gives a shit you are a fucking retard

      • 白色纯棉小裤裤

        Lol i was thinking more than you. Beside of the homework I also noticed that not doing well enough in one test would not effect my score in Gaokao, so I did not care for regular tests at all.

    • Zhegezhege

      I don’t know anything about education in Korea and Japan, but education in China is crap; teachers expecting hongbaos, the gaokao being a poorly designed exam that only really tests rote-memorisation and political ass-kissing and the whole system being as corrupt and open to abuse and favouritism as everything else in mainland China. That’s why there’s such a huge market for English teachers, and indeed foreign teachers all the way from kindergarten through to IB diploma and higher education.

      It’s not just parents competing over mianzi. Those with the wits and brains to get and stay rich in cut-throat mainland China can see this self-evident truth, especially as they themselves went through the Chinese system and many are prepared to take a chance on the foreign unknown ahead of putting their kid through the same thing they went through.

    • Riddler

      ‘… because a failure in China is probably going to be a success in America….’

      Really? Try that in the UK:

      http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/23/student-jailed-bribe-professor

      • serves him right, lazy cheating git

        • Riddler

          I would love to see these wankers trying to buy his way out of prison in the uk.

      • Probotector

        Lol, that made my day, awesome! i bet his family all reckon we’re sha bi for not taking the money. After all, what good are principles when you can have money?

        I also love the way he’s like “I am a businessman”. Did his father teach him that? I also love how he ‘sobbed in court, with hi family in the public gallery’. Major loss of face there, for them all

        You see, Chinese people, this is what happens when you break OUR laws. Your money and your connections don’t make you untouchable, outside of China, you are a nobody.

        • Riddler

          Imagine that prick, in the proofs office, acting all calm, swings one leg over the other, hand on chin. ‘I am businessman’

          Enter UK Police. Yeah bitch, shit just got real.

          • He should be thankful he is in the UK, he probably won’t serve the full 12 months. I still wouldn’t want to be a soap dodger though, even for 3 months.

          • Riddler

            He won’t serve the full 12 months? That applies to you and I. To a mainland chinese dude? The first minute is equivalent to a life sentence. Come on bro! Reality kicks in. No more ‘i’m the son of so and so’ in a UK prison. Welcome to reality bitch!

          • wonder if he will get his yellow arse reamed?

        • Riddler

          The best part of this? He will have been placed within the chinese prisoner section to make him feel comfy. Hahaha. The chinese prisoners in the UK? All Hong Kong/London triads. They will use this fool and extort every penny from his parents back in mainland to keep their little brat alive.

      • mr.wiener

        It adds a whole new level to the acronym “FISHTAIL”.

    • Paul

      Because success or failure is entirely determined by ones Math score…

      Chinese and Korean education (not sure about Japan) focuses on rote, unthinking memorization. I’m sure all of those who have ever taught a class in China have had this experience…you ask a question, the student you call answers repeats, word for word, something they have heard/read somewhere (either in an artile, textbook, or from one of their Chinese teachers). You ask them to clarify or elaborate and it quickly becomes obvious that they are clueless.

      I’m not sure how common this is, but in several classes I’ve taught the classrooms had a poster with the students’ rank on the wall. I found it fascinating how the highest scoring students were, almost always, the students who had the worst critical thinking abilities. They are great students because they DON’T THINK! They just memorize and regurgitate on the exam.

  • Nixys

    Just wow at “the child’s ability to endure hardship was too poor.”

    That’s pretty freaking cold. I mean, I know in China everything is brutally competitive and regimented and we all know the terrible cliches, but that’s pretty cold.

    Children are by definition incapable of caring for themselves, a teacher’s job is to be a surrogate adult role model for the parents. Not to flunk kids “out of life” so to speak.

    I easily blame the teacher. Perhaps China’s extreme veneration for teachers gets in the way of criticizing them?

    • MrC

      Chinese teachers get bonuses for results, so will go to any length to push the kids

    • Boris

      The student had a choice of punishment.

      He probably didn’t want to stand around for an hour, so chose the essay. Then he panics and decides it was too much when he got back and jumps off the building.

      The teacher should have given him lines to do. I did 100 lines at his age as a kid. I was bullied as a I was a short kid coloured.

      Teacher is blameless. Student had the choice to make and jumped instead of talking to parents or anyone. Probably didn’t talk to parents as he didn’t want himself or his parents to lose ‘face’.

      • Nixys

        That’s a nice little story, but you don’t know the kids thoughts and you can’t read his mind, and that kid is not the same as you growing up.

        • Boris

          Neither can you. The kid may have had his problems but why jump? All we know is that the teacher gave them a choice of either standing for an hour or writing a 1000 word essay. We know the kid didn’t stand for an hour, so we can assume he chose the essay. Next he headed home, assumed he panicked and then jumped.

          That is all we know. Anything else you or I say is based on little to know information regarding this situation.

          From what little we know, you can hardly blame the teacher for the kid taking his own life.

          • Nixys

            I think what people are objecting to so strongly is my “blaming” the teacher because they rightly believe the teacher did not literally intend to make the kid kill himself. I do not “blame” the teacher in that sense, no. There was no intent to drive the kid to suicide. But in the sense that, looking back on something bad that happened, you ask yourself, how could this have been prevented? Who could have stopped this? Where was the problem? I am inclined to say, well, there were several points at which the teacher could have double checked, just to be sure, that this particular kid wasn’t really sensitive or really f*cked up. Is the teacher a bad person? Probably not. Are they evil and cruel and nasty and we should stone them? No. But could they have thought about their students and their actions more, perhaps been an advocate for this kid? Possibly.

            That’s all I mean by “blaming the teacher.”

          • Boris

            Could have, should have, would have…

            At this moment in time, we have little evidence that the teacher did or did not do the things you are saying. We can assume the teacher treated the kid like the 50 odd other kids in the class.

            If you really want to blame someone for the follow:“could they have thought about their students and their actions more, perhaps been an advocate for this kid” - Then you really need to blame the system. The teachers here aren’t trained like back home, neither do they have the time to check out the kids family and so on. And considering that the kid could have easily hid these from the teachers and friends, especially in a coutry were people don’t really ‘talk’ about such things, it would be very easy for the teacher to miss it.

            So before you blame the teacher on what you are blaming the teacher on, you should really look at the wider context.

          • Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.

  • al

    Damn this is way too hardcore.. but i can’t believe the child would just give up like that.. 1000 word essay can’t be that bad can’t it? i dunno this is all too sad..

    • Cauffiel

      Standing for an hour is a piece of cake. He better learn how to do it anyway if he wants to get train tickets.

      • Germandude

        Holy shit, that’s a funny comparison. Talking about Chinese education being too theoretical rather than practical.

        • Cauffiel

          Yeah, they should totally have squatty desks in their classrooms.

  • Free Man

    Did the teacher tell him to jump or not. I wouldn’t be too surprised, if he did say it without actually meaning it, just trying to motivate the kid the wrong way. Well, either way, he’s gonna have bad dreams about this for the rest of his life.

    • Guest23

      A hot topic these days is, are they capable of feeling guilt of their actions? this is a shame society, the face thing might make them offer condolences but not a apology or even responsibility, it makes it irritating that people are beginning to stereotype China as a unfeeling nation.

      • Free Man

        He might not admit it (feeling anything), he might even believe himself everything he says. But I am pretty sure, that his subconsciousness won’t let him sleep easily for quite a long time. Also, he will remember this everytime a student starts crying after getting scolded. That’s his personal hell he will live in until death, unless hes some psycho who can’t feel guilt. And even though I would agree most chinese would rather cut off their tongue than to appologize for something which is clearly their fault, I don’t believe all of them are psychos.

        • Guest23

          Agreed, bit difficult to say but you can see a lot of people can shrug off things that were clearly terrible and move on like nothing has happened or nothing was learned, would like to believe that, but some Asian countries have this mentality where your primary concern is your family and acquaintances and everyone else is just second-base, they don’t interfere on other people’s business.

          • Free Man

            While I agree with you on everything you’ve said, I am sure thats only on the outside. Inside most of us are still human and have doubts, feel insecure and are controlled by instinct, subconsciousness and all that psycho stuff that makes us human. Even asian people.

          • Guest23

            Yup, people aren’t perfect but we’re trying to be better, I’m pretty much a Pessimistic Humanist if that makes any sense.

  • linette lee

    The Asian society their public school is structured for “normal” people. Hardly for the “un normal” people. What is normal? Normal = majority. Unnormal = minority. Majority of the people can focus more than 30 minutes for a lesson. No break needed in between. Minority of the people have attention deficit and can’t stay focus longer. They can’t really thrive in “normal” school structure. Look at the school. The lecture hall the seats are for “normal” people. Majority/normal people are right handed. Minority/unnormal people are left handed. Who is to define what is normal and what is not?
    All public schools need to have some programs for special kids. They learn differently than normal kids. Some can learn just as much in the right setting.

    Right hand desk. What about the left hand folks?
    http://dougpete.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/classchair.jpg?w=500&h=375

    • linette lee
    • guest

      what we call ‘normal’ is merely ‘that which is normalized in a society’. there is no normal, there is only normalized. it seems that if you step outside what is normalized. you face the possibility of social ostracization. see how we love each other so much?

      • linette lee

        ‘normal’ is merely ‘that which is normalized in a society’.

        That is so true isn’t it.

    • Guest

      a study a few years back found that kids are learning differently now due to the digital age. they play video games, use phone applications and have activities that are INTERACTIVE. when they go to school, it’s all analog. teacher talks, kids are supposed to sit there and absorb. the brain is evolving. the old chalkboard style learning is becoming less suitable for these generations. education needs to evolve with the times.

      • linette lee

        In USA, they use computer also. They have computer class that teach them reading. They wear headset with microphone for reading while playing games. IT’s common in USA school. I don’t know about China. But I think kids still benefit from interacting with teacher. Like they sit in a circle and all discuss about a story that they have read. That is very important. Computer can’t replace that.

  • Cauffiel

    Does anyone else think its weird that they published a 10 year old’s suicide note?

    • Free Man

      Not for China, no.

    • Riddler

      Was it 1,000 words by any chance?

  • markus peg

    Chinese education has its ups and downs.
    I am not good at memory games so i probably would not have survived (metaphorically speaking) in the Chinese education system.
    The way i see it, this story is a failure of the teacher more than the system though both have flaws.

    • Riddler

      ‘Chinese education has its ups and downs. ‘

      Given the story under discussion, this particular comment is particularly dry.

      • markus peg

        The blame in my opinion is mainly the teacher.
        I am not trying to defend what has happened the system is harsh but it is the teachers job is to try and help students learn. Perhaps i worded my meaning inconsiderately under the circumstance, that was not my intent.

        • Riddler

          I know, it just seemed rather appropriate.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I am sorry, but the text book is 10 years old, same age as the boy… just saying…

  • Washington Bullets

    Write a 1,000 word self-criticism, stand for an hour, or jump off a building.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      There are only so many synonyms for “suck” :/

      • Washington Bullets

        Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V or Chinese thesaurus?

      • Riddler

        Ask eattot.

        • Washington Bullets

          She could definitely help with the essay writing process.

        • lonetrey / Dan

          :(

    • Rick in China

      I don’t think the content of the essay is as important as the process of thinking about what you did wrong or can improve on. The writing is really just a means of self-analysis and retrospective.

      You can write 1000 words on anything, easily, the trick is in realizing it doesn’t need to be a compelling piece of writing, just a bunch of words. Anecdotes, or full fledged stories, just rant, even mix in some secret insults. I’d have tons of fun with it.

      The way to have fun with it? Come on, no game of thrones fans here? Do what the imp does in the vale trial!

      • Joseph rodriguez

        Classic scene bro!Love that reference!

  • masonman

    “I think this kind of weak personality of the child is the result of his parents spoiling him”

    “The child’s stubbornness was too much”

    “Jumping off buildings, running away from home, objectively, these aren’t a problem of school education, these are a lack of social education”

    WHAT. THE. FUCK. CHINA. Its times like this that China sounds like a 3rd world backwater.

    It should be pretty obvious:

    That child jumped off that building because one or several people were putting large pressures on him, and NOBODY felt empathy for him and nobody cared about his thoughts and feelings. I guarantee you he had, on MANY occasions attempted to express himself and was completely ignored.

    “When we were young, teachers were even more direct and rough, with
    teachers nowadays so much more vulnerable and weak in comparison, and
    yet didn’t most of us grow up happily all the same?”

    You grew up “happy” because you normalized your own abuse, and you had nothing to compare your childhood to. You are one of these people, among billions, who doesn’t see a reason to show extraordinary empathy and curiosity towards the lives of your children (or, as a teacher, your students).

    It takes a TON of courage to jump off a 30-floor building. The child wasn’t weak or cowardly. The adults in his life were the weak cowards, who would rather hurt and punish this boy than take to take actual time (and do some ACTUAL teaching/parenting) to understand his mind.

    • linette lee

      TON of courage to jump off a 30-floor building.

      This is a very strong point. How can a 5th grade kid brave enough to jump off a 30 floor building but afraid to write a 1000 words essay? Something is off. Parents and teachers need to understand.

    • linette lee

      老師,我做不到…..
      Teacher, I can’t do it

      Do you think the China education bureau would try to understand and find out what really happened. What is the real issue and underlying problem.

      Maybe special kids are crying out for help in their system. Who knew what happened really? Are they going to find out?

  • maybeabanana

    “I really don’t know what these reporters are up to in blaming it
    all on the teacher. What about the parents? We no longer give a damn the
    minute we drop off our children at school? If a child does well in
    school, it’s because the child himself is clever, but if he doesn’t do
    well, then it’s the teachers that can’t teach him well? The teacher had
    already talked with the parents, and the parents already knew what the
    teacher was going to do, so why elevate the child’s own problem to the
    level of the teacher being responsible? Should the teacher get down on
    his knees and beg the child to stop making a fuss? Those parents who
    have children, and those parents who don’t have children yet, you people
    think about this. If this goes on, will there still be any teachers
    left who dare to educate our children? Should we let our children be
    unruly? Wake up. There are also good teachers and bad teachers, but
    parents should pay more attention to their children, and communicate
    more with them.”

    Sounds like someone is on the right track. It takes both parties if they cared about their children. Most parents are too cowardly to admit their own faults. Given the societal preference of education in a system, morals, character building is not a subject as important as passing the tests to get into the next level. From the ground up, both adults have yet to admit their own dysfunction of how to bring up kids. Maybe fix that first and not just point at the problem and say look look!

    • Most people who really attempt suicide and survive have very little memories of what brought them to that drastic act, or the moments leading up to or beyond it.

  • conatedog

    Let me get this straight: he could stand in one spot for an hour, but instead chose to leap to his death? How on earth was this boy so tightly wound in the first place?

    • YourSupremeCommander

      I think it has to do with his name, jun jun sounds like jump jump.

  • 白色纯棉小裤裤

    1000 Zi is not 1000 words. Two Chinese characters would be equivalent to one English word so that’s a 500 words self-criticism.

    Writing self-criticism is an entertainment to me rather than a punishment. When I was a kid once I was required to write a 500 Zi criticism and read it out loud in front of the whole class. I ended up wrote a 1000 Zi and really funny one and made the whole class laugh. After that the teacher never ask me to write self-criticism again.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Bravo to you. I think I like your solution the best; brinksmanship with teachers was fun back when we wouldn’t get into too much trouble for doing it!

    • Probotector

      Are you telling us the story of how you became a retard?

      • Jahar

        I voted you up, not because i think this was a good comment, but it made me laugh out loud.

      • Riddler

        LMAO trying to EAT here!

  • Ami

    The reason we don’t punish child criminals as much as adults is because they don’t understand the consequences of actions as much as adults. When a kid runs away from their family, they probably didn’t think it through and don’t have a back up plan, they were acting on impulse.

    Thats why I think children killing themselves is so sad, they probably don’t understand how irreversible death truly is.

    • Ami

      When I was 3 or 4 I used to tell my family I was going to kill myself to get what I wanted but I didn’t even know what really dying meant but I knew that it would make my parents sad.

      My mom just told me “you shouldn’t hurt yourself to hurt others” but thats what I feel like a lot of people, kids especially, are trying to do when they kill themselves, hurt others.
      I bet this kid thought “I’m going to show him!” and jumped.

      • linette lee

        Have you ever stand at the very edge of a very tall building? Or maybe you are looking down from your balcony from a 30 floor building. I have. I used to live on 25th floor in HK. Jump? He just wanted to show his teacher and he was just throwing tantrum so he jump down a 30 story tall building? You really think is that easy? It’s one thing to say “I am going to kill myself” compare to actually standing at the edge about to jump down. Two different things. The kid even wrote “I stopped myself many times”. So he was standing there really didn’t want to jump but STILL ended up jumping. So this kid was very desperate. Wasn’t just a tantrum.

        • Ami

          Its very possible it wasn’t a tantrum. Even so, he still may not of realized how extreme his actions were.
          Its sad anyway you look at it.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I would choose to stand there. Why cry? Why kill yourself? These Chinese kids nowadays are all wussies. Condolences to the parents & family though.

  • Barack Obama

    hmmmm write essay…commit suicide…write essay…commit suicide…write essay…such a hard decision

    • YourSupremeCommander

      He most likely will write the essay many times through out his life. Suicide, you need to do only once.

      Very easy decision.

      • Barack Obama

        Looks like he was smarter than us all, cuz suicide is painlesss….

        • No It is not, the aftermath for those left behind will never leave, You will bring it with you to your own death. Helpless in the aftermath so hug your darlings tighter let them know you love them. We all need to Know we are needed. There are no second chances ever.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Who wears fuckin red to a funeral?

    • Riddler

      Eattot.

  • Oh dear God, that poor child and his heart broken family..Makes my heart weep for them, Poor Souls. I hope time is good for them and helps them heal, so so sad.

  • asdf

    Even I would have trouble filling out a bullshit paper with 1000 words.

  • SuicideFTW

    One less rice monkey.

    • mr.wiener

      One less troll

  • Nick in Beijing

    Hell, I spend an hour standing on the subway when I go to work and an hour standing on it when I come home. Fucking pussy. 1,000 word essay? What kind of retarded little shits are they raising here that these two options drive one to suicide.

    And it is NOT the teachers fault for admonishing the little turd. Every time I see some little kid get all uppity and pissed off and start bawling because they got in trouble for their actions I just know that the parents are encouraging this behavior either by inaction or by actively spoiling their little monsters. Divorce? Pff. Bad parenting is bad parenting regardless of the marital status of the parents.

    This teacher is without blame. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to do a background check on each student before administering punishment. Teachers here are probably used to the spoiled little fucks called Children here crying their precious little heads off whenever they get busted for something.

    I like teaching children, they can be tons of fun, and it’s good to have the opportunity to instill certain values in the children you teach. However, I refuse to teach children anymore for exactly this reason. They are spoiled, spineless, little precious balls of jelly. The slightest disturbance will get them all out of shape and then it takes an act of God to keep the parents from throwing a bitch fit.

    Suicide is always an awful thing, but fuck you family of the kid if you put pressure on the teacher for compensation, and fuck you sensationalist media for further demonizing teachers just because it’s what all the cool kids are doing these days.

  • Nick in Beijing

    A 1,000 word essay is only difficult if one is so uncreative that they can’t even do so much as recall a story or two of their past actions that demonstrate what the teacher is asking them to criticize themselves about. Especially if there is a formal structure that the essay must be written in, then it only gets easier.

    I guess all those thousands of RMB and hundreds of hours spent in extracurricular lessons aren’t paying off in actually teaching their kids how to be productive students after all… oh right.

  • Dumb Gwielo

    It’s simple, teachers must follow school policy. I’m sure she did not. If not, it’s her fault. As a Gwielo, I am shocked to see Chinese teachers daily abuse of school policy. My daughter is in her 5th year of school in China and we have changed her school 4 times due to abuse from teachers, school bullies and Ayi’s.

  • FYIADragoon

    I’m going to bet that all of the idiots making comments saying it’s the teacher’s fault are Americans. Because they have the same damn problem with actually PARENTING their children that the Chinese do. If the child broke under this little pressure, he probably would have gone on a rampage when he got to the Gaokao. Pull your heads out of your asses, it’s not the teacher’s fault. I swear the right to have children should be licensed, because there are too many stupid people having children at the moment.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    What I would give to be able to reach into the comments section with my arm, gather all the comments and posts on one side, and then digitally sweep my arm across the table, brushing everything off within an armlength.

    My general image of the words coming out of people’s mouth and their blabbity-blahs:

    “It’s the teachers fault!” / “It’s partially the teacher’s fault!”

    “Why?”

    “Because it is!” [[Bad end. Try again?]]

    “Because they should have known!”

    “How?”

    “Because they just should have!! They’re teachers! They notice these things!”
    [[Bad end. Try again?]]

    “Because they spend so much time with these kids! These are things people see when having interactions with someone!”

    “What specifically should have they noticed?”

    “The upset nature of the kid, the distress, I don’t know? Anything that may indicate unhappiness!”

    “But aren’t those all general responses that people would have anyways? Regardless of how bad/difficult their lives are?”

    “Ok, but then at least they could’ve relented and maybe this wouldn’t have happened!”

    “But it’s impossible to say whether such things would happen. No one can predict these kinds of things.” [[Bad end. Try again?]]

    “Ok, then the teachers should have been more reasonable about the punishment! One hour is forever in a kid’s mind, and 1000 is outright impossible!”

    “True, the teacher may have done a better job choosing a punishment. But doesn’t mean it guaranteed the kid’s suicide.”

    “Well, at least they should take responsibility for indirectly causing the suicide!”

    “How would that be fair to the teacher?”

    “Because the reaction was due to the teacher’s action!”

    “The two are hardly connected. I think we’ve found the crux of our problem and the point at which we are at an impasse. At this point, let’s just agree to disagree about the degree of responsibility of the teacher then?”

    “Ok.” [[Good ending. Save your progress?]]

  • Probotector

    “when the foolish boy fell from the 30-floor building”

    It’s clear how Phoenix Online felt about this.

  • Probotector

    Please, I received worse punishments when I was six. This is obviously the effect of little emperor syndrome.

  • JesusFuckingChrist

    A thousand words is too much to ask of a 10 year old. Honestly, what did the teacher expect him to write about?

  • al in china

    He’s better off where he is than here with is brain dead countrymen

  • al in china

    Poor boy! Chinese should stop……..and see how this can happen……oh what the hell am I wasting my breath it won;t happen they are 75% brain dead and the rest are trying to immigrate!

  • Joseph Lau

    This is a very trivial matter and it is a waste of time to debate on this as other countries are slowly creeping in to take our rightful territories. This story is sad but we can’t blame the government for this.Chinese people are wasting time instead of being unified as Japan is escalating their rethoric regarding the territory dispute and that backwards country Phillipines using western court to bolster their savage claims.I hope Chinese people wakes up!What is wrong with us?

    • David S.

      The welfare of the people is indeed trivial compared with the glorious planting of flagpoles on barren rocks protuding from the sea.

  • Jimmy

    Whoa a lot of Chinese are cruel to the kid. I think the teacher was too harsh. China just has a lot of problems they need to sort out. I agree with slob in the comments. The word usage was suspicious. I did read it and the work, “foolish kid” poped out. This story needs to be looked into a lot more. There are a lot of holes in the story.

  • 二奶头发

    I wonder if he didn’t jump but fell off.

  • anncrusch .

    One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned is that there were 3 other children who were also admonished and given the exact same punishment as this young boy. If the teacher were to blame, wouldn’t they all have jumped off of a building?

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