Bystanders Surround But Dare Not Help Up Fallen Old Man

An 80-year-old elderly man in Zhejiang, China who had fallen. Bystanders helped redirect traffic around him but dared not help him up themselves, instead calling an ambulance and police.

From NetEase:

80-Year-Old Man Falls, Passersby Form Circle Around Him Waiting for Ambulance Not Daring to Help Him Up

It was the morning rush hour, and there were a lot of passing pedestrians and cars. Seeing an elderly man who had fallen, some people immediately walked away, but there were also many others who stopped.

However, those that stopped looked at each other with none of them daring to go forward to help the old man up.

The old man is about 80 years old, and looked rather thin and weak. After falling down, he had tried to get back up, but after lifting up his upper body with great difficulty, his lower body would not budge, so he could only lie back face-down on the ground.

At this time, there were already quite a few people who surrounded him.

One middle-aged man says he lives right on that road and, while brushing his teeth, had seen through his window the old man fall before. At that time, the old man climbed back up by himself. He never expected that after brushing his teeth and leaving home that the old man would fall again.

Ms. Sun happened to passing by on her electric moped and upon seeing the old man lying prone on the ground, immediately stopped her moped to the side.

“No one dared to go help him up. Seeing the elderly person fallen like that, I was really worried.” Ms. Sun says just recently there was news of “being falsely accused for helping up an elderly person“, and honestly, she still had a lingering fear in her heart. However, upon encountering this kind of thing, she felt she had to at least do something.

Upon asking, no one had yet called for an ambulance, so she took out her mobile phone and dialed 120 [emergency medical help hotline].

Hanging up, Ms. Sun then placed herself in front of the old person to redirect passing electric moped and bicycle traffic to avoid hitting the old man. The other city residents on the side also tacitly understood and formed a circle, protecting the old man in the center.

As everyone stood guard silently, someone ran to the corner of the street and called over a police officer. After determining the situation, the officer slowly helped up the old man who had been lay on the ground for five to six minutes.

An 80-year-old elderly man in Zhejiang, China who had fallen. Bystanders helped redirect traffic around him but dared not help him up themselves, instead calling an ambulance and police.

Here, the ambulance also arrived on the street.

One man ran over. He later said the old man had fallen on the non-motor vehicle lane and there had been a lot of people and cars, so line of sight was bad, and he was afraid the ambulance would not be able to find them.

Medical personnel made a preliminary diagnosis. It wasn’t bad, the old man merely had a scrape on his face, and his tooth was bleeding a bit. However, just in case, the medical personnel took him away in the ambulance.

It was only after watching the ambulance drive off did everyone gradually disperse. Two kind-hearted people who originally did not know each other walked off together discussing what had happened, with a sigh overheard: “I really didn’t dare go help him up…”

The old man who had fallen was taken to Jinhua Guangfu Hospital. After another examination, it was confirmed that the old had no serious injuries. However, when the hospital wanted to contact the old man’s family, they encountered a problem.

The nurse on duty says that elderly people of such advanced age usually carry an emergency contact card on themselves, but none was found on him. It wasn’t until a full hour later that the nurse find the card inside his deepest layer of clothes.

Afterward, his family rushed to the hospital and took the elderly person home.

Dr. Xu of the Guangfu Hospital emergency room says it is difficult to judge whether one should or shouldn’t help up a fallen elderly person in terms of morality. But from a medical standpoint, he doesn’t recommend city residents blindly going forward to help them up.

Dr. Xu provided more reasonable handling methods under several situations—

If the elderly person is unconscious, one should definitely not touch him, but immediately dial 120 and wait for professional medical personnel to come handle it;

If the elderly person is conscious and clear-headed, only slightly injured, for example on such parts as his hands or feet, we can go help him up.

If the elderly person is injured on his waist or head, and even if he is conscious and clear-headed, don’t rashly go move him, because this could very likely exacerbate his injuries. If he must be moved, it is best if there is a stretcher or several people working together to firmly carry his waist, head, and legs, keeping the body level.

Comments from NetEase:

事無絕對 [网易江苏省徐州市手机网友]:

A 5000 year old civilization ruined by a judge.

人民日报人民日 [网易北京市网友]:

Peng Yu, are you doing okay?

网易广东省手机网友 ip:117.136.*.*:

Let’s thank that good judge in Nanjing for causing all of this.

网易浙江省宁波市网友 ip:60.179.*.*:

120 ambulances require money. Whoever called is whoever payment is demanded from.

紫夜清风 [网易河南省周口市网友]:

Can’t afford to help [people] up. If one is successfully falsely blamed, no one would be able to handle/bear it.

网易安徽省合肥市网友 [ttt1099]: (responding to 事無絕對)

Please [give me a break], and there are so many people upvoting this??? You can say current norms in society can’t catch up with the past, and you can also say some cases were judged/ruled in error, but judge the matter as it stands. The Nanjing judge case was refuted/debunked long ago and even the original person involved Peng Yu personally admitted that he wasn’t wronged [falsely accused], and you people are still there spreading [the rumor, false information]?
However, it can be understood, you people normally don’t read the [information] refuting rumors/misinformation. Neither does refuted/debunked rumors get publicized much in the public media, otherwise how would you people still be spouting shit?
Because you people have shit in your hearts, that’s why you must make rumors true in order to justify your own unhealthy/immoral conduct, or exaggerate something that has a small probability, in order to to make your ugly selves feel right in your convictions. It isn’t just this thing, a lot of things are like this.
Understand, understand, understand.
Hehe, hehe, hehe.

网易北京市网友 [要有爱要和谐]: (responding to above)

SB wumao starting rumors. Peng Yu has never said he wasn’t wronged.

网易北京市网友 [要有爱要和谐]: (responding to above)

In the Peng Yu case, Old Lady Xu’s son is a police officer.
July 6th, during the third court session, the focus of the dispute was whether the two sides had bumped into each other. Due to city police station who processed the case the day the incident happened having accidentally lost the transcript of the questioning of Peng Yu, the police station submitted during the trial a photograph of this original transcript, taken by the plaintiff’s son with his mobile phone while his mother was in the hospital being questioned by the police, as well as documents that transcribed this. What more, Peng Yu also put forward that this photograph had been altered, but the court essentially ignored Peng Yu. In it, the main details were of Peng Yu stating that the two had ran into each other. Although the information shown in this photograph was confirmed by the police officer who had handled the transcription at the time, because it had come from the plaintiff’s son, it was called into question by Peng Yu as well as the media reporters at the trial.
1. The ruling in the first instance did not say “Peng Yu admitted to bumping into her”. That’s how it is described now.
2. The reason for the ruling in the first instance was “if it wasn’t Peng Yu who ran into her, he wouldn’t have helped her up”, using this to surmise that Peng Yu had bumped into her.
3. During the investigation for the trial of first instance, Chief *** (Xu Shoulan’s son) committed perjury, something that was omitted both in the trail of first instance and now.

要有爱要和谐 [网易北京市网友]: (responding to above)

Actually, in this case, it is not all about looking at whether or not Peng Yu knocked her over but also looking at the entire course of events:
1: During the trail of first instance, the judge used speculation/conjecture to decide the case, meaning that without evidence proving that Peng Yu had bumped into her but with speculation/conjecture, he concluded that if you didn’t hit her, then why did you go help her up, and then ruled that Peng Yu was guilty.
2: The old lady’s son. The old lady’s son is a police officer of the police station, and then the the written testimony in this station was lost, while her son happened to be that police officer who took out his mobile phone and by himself photographed this original written testimony, and in court, the judge did not even call this into question.
3. In court, Peng Yu had approved of a person called ** to testify on his behalf, but was disregarded by the judge…

要有爱要和谐 [网易北京市网友]: (responding to 既生姚河升镇)

It’s not just the Nanjing Judge case, there’s also the most recent Sichuan false accuser Jiang Guangrong, as well as that Guangzhou person who tried to blame a student but there was a witness so they came out to apologize. To sum up, these elderly “people” pretend to be weak and frail when they have you give up seats to them, pretend to be innocent when they fall, but when they’re scrambling for seats or when they sit on your left because you didn’t give up your seat to them, or when you help them up and they accuse you of bumping into them, they are not like elderly people at all or at least not like humans at all.

网易吉林省长春市网友 ip:218.62.*.*: (responding to ttt1099)

I say, second floor [ttt1099], what are you nitpicking? What’s wrong with selective reporting? Why must rumors be refuted/debunked? From the tens of thousands of pieces of news from everywhere, is it easy finding one that so easily allows everyone to vent the dissatisfaction in their hearts? How come you don’t understand this “positive energy” venting method? This piece of news is from over there in Zhejiang, right? I think over in Zhejiang Hangzhou, there was a piece of news yesterday of an old grandpa who sells sweet potatoes who felt unwell and fell over while sitting on the side of the street. Kind-hearted people formed a circle around him to help and ultimately purchased all the sweet potatoes from the old grandpa, with the old grandpa moved to tears as a result. But, but that kind of wumao news, even if it happens a hundred times in a day, how can it let us vent all the resentment in our hearts? What use is that kind of news to us????????
Just a few pieces of news like this every day is enough to amuse us, do you understand? Fuck refuting rumors/debunking misinformation.

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  • in case he brings you to court?

  • iLL

    in reality…thats pretty fucked up, when u can not help a fallen person in fear of getting sued. …wow

  • Cauffiel

    Is anyone surprised?

    This is what happens when blame is the foundation of a legal system. Thanks for exporting that shit, America.

    • Jack Yu

      It seems too easy to blame it all on the Nanjing case. I’ve seen people standing around accident victims chatting, taking pictures and pushing each other to get the best view before 2006. This goes way deeper than a 7-year old trial in Nanjing.

      And blaming America for every shit that comes up here is not even worth commenting on.

      • Cauffiel

        Yeah, a lot of people point to the Nanjing case, but I think its more of a way to frame these kinds of incidents because everyone knows what it is. Using a high profile case might not be the most accurate way to gain perspective on new cases, but it can more easily be widely recognized.

        I’m actually surprised I got jumped on here for saying this nonsense is influenced by the U.S. legal system. Somehow that was broadened to blaming the U.S. for everything….? I can’t follow that logic.

        • Washington Bullets

          I dislike the culture of rampant personal compensation cases in the United States, but I see it as unlikely that an elderly person in the U.S. would sue those helping them in this case, then again, there are bad apples everywhere.

          • Cauffiel

            In the U.S. we have Good Samaritan laws that make it difficult to sue someone who ostensibly helped you when you were in danger, but the principle is the same as cases where burglars successfully sue homeowners for injuring themselves while invading a house, or suing for spilling hot coffee in your lap (a well known case I will presume you are familiar with.)

            In general, you are definitely right.

        • My_honourable_lord

          Take a look at my avatar. Then get back to me.

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      What?! So because the U.S is sue happy, the moment anyone else starts doing that it must have come from them? Is all the world’s evil exported from them or something?

      And stop calling the ‘America’ there are a lot more countries there than just the U.S genius.

      • tomoe723

        it wasn’t exported from ‘murica, but they sure popularized it…

      • Cauffiel

        The United States pioneered frivolous personal compensation lawsuits, you gawd dang Mongorian.

        • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

          You realize that is just as insulting for the Chinese right.

          That they are so deprived of identity that anything they do could not have come from them, they had to adopt that custom from elsewhere?

          • Cauffiel

            To anyone who was offended, I sincerely apologize for implying that China cannot be shamelessly irresponsible without the influence of the the U.S. justice system.

    • Zappa Frank

      than how come in US doesn’t happen this kind of shit? the system of suing for a compensation may be American, but the judges that give that kind of judgments are 100% Chinese..

    • My_honourable_lord

      Hah? How did America get dragged into THIS? If you fall in America people will stop everything and help you up!

      Also, china exports plenty of real shit around the world so lets keep a lid on this one? For you own good? Don’t get people started with that crap. It’s been reasonably quiet around the forum recently, lets keep it that way shall we?

      • Alexander

        That’s because in America, most states have good Samaritan laws to protect people. Also even in a state that didn’t have such law, the person suing would have to prove that the person helping them purposely and maliciously intended to harm them, that’s something very difficult to prove in such cases….

        • My_honourable_lord

          True and well said but how many times do we actually think over laws when attending to someone who has fallen over? Its instinctive humane nature. In most countries.

          • Alexander

            How do we know it wasn’t instinctive human nature in China before? I wasn’t living in China in 1976, but I have a pretty good idea that people wouldn’t be afraid to help someone-up after they had fallen.

          • My_honourable_lord

            I want to believe you are right. It must have been normal to assist people before certain events.

  • MonkeyMouth

    The bystanders involved here did right thing. let the professionals handle the old guy themselves. No one knew why he fell in the first place.

  • KamikaziPilot

    You’d think with more and more cameras around, such as cell phones people wouldn’t be as afraid to help. Then if the old person is caught lying about a good Samaritan hurting them hopefully they would get punished themselves, or at least shamed and lose face. If you’re going to help someone, best to record it on video. With cell phones these days seems pretty easy. That said, I think what these people did was reasonable, after all, it wasn’t an emergency and without medical training what is the most you can do to help someone who has fallen on the ground? Put a Band-Aid on his cut lip and help him up?

    • Jack Yu

      >> That said, I think what these people did was reasonable, after all, it wasn’t an emergency and without medical training what is the most you can do to help someone who has fallen on the ground?

      Help him saving at least the last bit of dignity.

      • KamikaziPilot

        So you’re saying risking a large amount of money is worth helping someone save a bit of dignity? Sorry, in an ideal world helping someone up on the street wouldn’t put you at risk of a lawsuit, but this is the world we live in. Better he suffer a little indignity than I lose a month’s salary, or more. I can see it he was bleeding profusely and needed to stop the bleeding but this was hardly an emergency and the passersby did make sure no one ran him over. So they did help him as much as they reasonably could.

        • m0l0k0

          shut up idiot

  • nqk123

    people r so paranoid these days, but who can blame them

  • MonkeyMouth

    you see how that cleaner handled that child who was run over? she most likely caused further injury. i guess thats more of my point. at least someone ‘guarded’ the old guy. i know more has to be done, but complete apathy was not present in this case. i saw an old lady fall off a bike (mist likely heart attack) and folks stood around, but a lot tried to talk to her, ask her q’s, etc. finally they put her in a san lun and took her to the hospital. no one touched her here, either. was this the right thing to do or not?

    • Zappa Frank

      you may not know, but some people know, heart massage and first reanimation and so on, it may save a life.To cause serious injury is not a real danger and anyway better try and fail that do nothing at all..in case of heart attack we’re talking about someone who is going to die, what can you do worst trying to help? time is essential in this case, and by the time professional help arrive that person may have died or have serious and permanent injury due to the lack of oxygenation. the problem is that if you do this in china you may be sued, in another country you’re protected by law even if your action caused some minor problem to the person

      • MonkeyMouth

        yep. gotcha. i happen to know quite a bit of first aid, etc, and would have tried. and i have helped before as well, administering basic neurological tests after a bike crash, etc (follow the finger, etc). its just such a touchy thing… get involved or not. just gotta be careful on many fronts. everyone, be cautious!

        • My_honourable_lord

          I’m not trolling i swear but this is funny. Following the finger? such a touchy thing? Gotta be careful on many fronts? That is ONE kinky first aid you got going on there…

          • MonkeyMouth

            not first aid, but neurological examination. you test for concussion this way. and ask them what street they are on, the date, etc.

      • MonkeyMouth

        but if its a stroke or aneurism, moving the victim improperly can cause death if the clot dislodges. the hero can have the blood on their own hands in some cases…and thats my overall point. ya, sure…there are cowards and casualty vampires who could and should help, but also people who dont want to cause more harm than good just to feed their hero-ego

        • Zappa Frank

          it is true.. but consider that is this person on the ground doesn’t breath and so on it may be better in any case try a heart massage and artificial respiration until the arrive of the ambulance. You may harm the one with aneurism, but probably if you don’t do anything the lack of oxygenation would do worse, besides if this one has not an aneurism you’ll probably not harm him at all. According to the first health care education I’ve received do something is usually better than do not do anything, an unneeded hearth massage and artificial breath cannot harm much, but not doing it when needed can do the difference. However, I would never try in china.

    • My_honourable_lord

      finally they put her in a san lun and took her to the hospital. no one touched her here, either. was this the right thing to do or not?

      They put her in a san pun yet they didn’t touch her? How exactly?

      • MonkeyMouth

        well…..like i said. no one touched her until someone flagged down the san lun. simple as that. i had just gotten to china, and was waiting for the bus. quite a thing to witness for a newbie, to be sure.

  • Free Man

    So those people were watching the show and claimed they helped. Nice twisted reality.

  • mr.wiener

    Under the circumstances they did the best they could, which is better than most.
    Only one thing struck me as false:
    “One middle-aged man says he lives right on that road and, while brushing his teeth, had seen through his window the old man fall..”

    LIAR!!

  • mr.wiener

    For a second I thought this was “Man claims airspace over small area of road”.

  • mr.wiener

    I claim the airspace over your sofa!

  • Stefan Xu

    The bystander effect also plays a role here…

    • markus peg

      I think when its a child most people think she is just being disobedient and not kidnapped. But i understand if its too dangerous some wont get involved. but if its someone who has hurt them selves, like an old man falling over, people do take action. Good video link though it does highlight a problem that people need to learn from.

      EDIT: Id like to think my comment is correct and when someone is hurt with no danger that someone would step in and help but according to this video that isn’t the case.

      Though that is New York, i wonder if the same applies to other cities around the world, such as London or Paris…?

    • Cauffiel

      This does not in the least compare to helping up a harmless old man. (The legal issues aside.)

    • Germandude

      A kidnapping however is bizarre and simply “out of scope” for many people and also, the risk of getting involved with kidnappers/robbers and the like is highly likely to bring anybody who helps in danger. Whereas helping in an accident case is pretty different.

      Honestly, if I was walking down a street in Europe where there are at least 10 people in a radius of 50 meters and a girl appears to get kidnapped, all I would do is thinking “Yeah…..right….”.

  • mwanafa

    This thing has gone way too far,

    Yesterday around noon a young girl fell, she hid her face crying on the ground, I saw people walking past her as if nothing happened. I rushed to help her up, then many people joined, some giving her tissues and water, some asking her if she is ok. Most of the Chinese people will lend a hand in such situations but stories like http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/stories/fallen-old-lady-in-sichuan-blames-children-who-helped-her-up.html really are discouraging.

    • 二奶头发

      If you mean young as in 8 or 9 that could be dangerous if they break an arm or a leg. there is a growth plate in the arm that if damaged can affect the growth of that limb.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphyseal_plate

  • Guest23

    Stories like this are really echoing the actions on what to do and not do on these types of situations, is it me or most articles report that most of the elderly that try to sue you is mostly old women? trying to look into other stories like these.

    Side-note, anyone know that Nanjing judge’s name? trying to find information on the guy and his background that might shed light to why he dictated what common sense is, it’s really serious if a lot of people keep referring to him.

    • Paul Schoe

      One of the problem is that the ruling of the judge actually seems to have been correct. His reasoning might have been totally faulty: “You helped, so therefore you must be guilty, otherwise you would not have helped” and his ruling created this understandable uproar, but in the end, after the trial, it appeared that they guy had indeed caused the accident.

      So it might have been a lucky shot, with an awfull reasoning, but the ruling seems to have been correct.

  • 二奶头发

    The chinese people who stood around the guy did the right thing. However, I think they were thinking they didn’t want to get sued. You could almost say the right response for the wrong reasons.

    If this happened in another country like the US I think you would see the same thing however the people standing around the man would think not to touch him because you could cause more injury to him.

    • Washington Bullets

      Nah, in the US we’d take his wallet and pee on him. Trip over him, and then sue him for tripping us.

      • Germandude

        Before or after somebody shot him? ;-)

      • Cauffiel

        I said this same shit down below and half the forum is whining about how wrong I am. Hahahaha.

  • My_honourable_lord

    Who sang that song? “Walk on by…..”?

    • diverdude7

      Dionne Warwick. a classic from my youth,,,, whatta song !

      • My_honourable_lord

        Ah yes! Thank you Sir! I’d have thought it would be playing on every street corner in mainland china. As a kind of thematic background to prevailing mindsets.

  • My_honourable_lord

    Did he really fall in that position? Looks like he’s doing push ups..

  • David S.

    Many people are a little paranoid yes. I mean it seems pretty safe to assume that the vast majority of these scams get reported and we’ve seen a handful of these over the past 3 years. Out of 1.4 billion people with a solid proportion of old geezers, it’s probably not very significant. Most of the old people picking up happening in China goes smoothly, like everywhere else.

    The root of the problem may be that many Chinese have got used to always expect the worse from others.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      “The root of the problem may be that many Chinese have got used to always expect the worse from others.” Absolutely right

  • Alexander

    No one is going to help until a good Samaritan law is enacted in China to protect people.

  • Washington Bullets

    You know what? I’m not surprised at all.

    After all the things you hear about people being too scared to help each other for fear of being sued, I wouldn’t help them either. I’d love to help, but if that shit happened to me where I’m being blamed for their injuries, I’d sure as hell push them right back down again and give them something worth suing over.

  • Washington Bullets

    I’m just thinking, what if they did something funny with this?

    Like if they put cones around him, and caution tape, or if they had cameras and people wearing bomb disposal suits to go help him up? Big Spatula? Construction crane? Motivational speeches by Mao over loudspeaker until he miraculously gets up?

  • Washington Bullets

    “That guy is such a jerk for falling. Let’s stand around and look at him”

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Come on folks, the dude was just trying to do push ups!

    • Cauffiel

      Come on! You got this! One more! One more! Breathe! You can do! You can do!

  • Freddi BuBu

    What a pathetic society you Mainlanders live in……smh!

  • narsfweasels

    Surely the sensible thing to do would be to take a video of the surroundings with your phone and ask the bystanders – “Did you see what happened? Who hurt him? Does anybody know what happened? Did you see someone push him?” And then if the answer is a universal “no” go and help the dude, you’ve got proof that people at the scene did NOT identify you as the guilty party.

  • don mario

    you can’t blame those people if they might be sued for helping. this law needs to be changed plain and simple, dont hold your breath though.

  • Jack Yu

    I just need to look around in my Chinese neighbourhood to be convinced. Dozens of old grannies that pack their grandkids in thick layers of cloth, literally immobilising the little devils. Already from far away you can hear them shouting: “Don’t run so fast! Be careful! Aware of the little puppy, he will bite you!”

    Telling my Chinese friends that I went playing in the forests alone as a young boy and broke different parts of my body at least a dozen times, regularly results in open mouths and unbelieving eyes.

  • Germandude

    Not to mention that for each case a helping person screws up and kills/or further hurts the victim, there are 100s of cases where first aid is saving people or stopping further injury.

  • Cameron

    It’s about more than a few crafty old people. The problem is surely that scamming is widespread in China generally. People simply do not trust one another as they do in many other societies. With this general mentality it only takes a small handful of scare stories of a certain type (eg, old people suing the Good Samaritan) for people to totally freak.

    There is no social contract so to speak in China. Or, if there is, it is only between the CCP Guardians at the top and the little children (ie the People), Not citizen to citizen. The Guardians constantly tell the children to Behave and Play Nice, but it’s very doing so merely compounds the fact that they are viewed by the law as insignificant players that need to be controlled – as children.

  • Germandude

    • diverdude7

      dammmm,,, that shit is Funny !! damm, I can already tell I’m gonna get reincarnated as a ‘challenged’ person.

  • Cameron

    Exactly. As I see it China has three main problems from which all others stem. CCP take a bow.

    Firstly the rule of law. There isnt one. You don’t get a judge and a jury, but rather a CCP lackey who will act on his own whim/that of his masters/or whoever pays him the most. Equality before the law is non existent.
    Secondly, population. Overpopulation reduces the quality and effectiveness of everything: from education, to air quality, to traffic, to healthcare.
    The third would be education, whereby Chinese citizens are instructed how to be useful citizens, where “useful citizen” means beneficial to the continued rule of a corrupt one-party dictatorship.

  • mr.wiener

    How the hell did this comment get through?
    I’ll just have to let everyone marvel at its idiocy now.

    • Cauffiel

      I don’t think its inappropriate or worthy of deletion. Whether Me is serious or not, it seems to reflect what we see in the photos.

  • Hang Em Man

    Gotta love the Chinese. Can’t make this stuff up. Reality bites. Hate like heck to be lying on ground injured over there. So much for a retirement destination.

  • Sgibo

    Well, as for me and my family we will HELP anyone on our way who needs help. We all should feel sorry for Chinese people and help them understand the value of life and your neighbor without getting something from them. A child is everyone’s child so is a grandpa.

  • Cauffiel

    I wonder how old you are? This isn’t a new trend, this has been happening at least since I was a small kid in the 80s.

    I think you’re understating the problem. There is an entire industry based on personal compensation. The United States has Saul Goodmans on TV every afternoon; we have have a word for them… “ambulance chasers.”

    There is a lot of suing corporations, but even if you sue an individual for, say, whiplash after he rear-ends you at a stop light, and the insurance company pays it, the guy you sued gets increased premiums roughly until the insurance company recoups its costs. Even if you are not receiving a pile of hard cash from the guy, the result is the same.

    “….look at the poverty rate and see how many people can’t even afford lawyers to sue with.” This doesn’t even make sense. If there is money to be won, a cut to be doled to a motivated lawyer, poverty will not be a barrier to frivolous lawsuits. However, poor people are less likely to be wise enough to seek legal council.

    • MyMotto

      I just turned 19 so this would seem recent to me, I grew up with those Saul Goodman commercials so I’ve learned to tune them out, I even saw them as somewhat justifiable. If a doctor fcks up your surgery sue if you want to (I’ll admit I base this off of the more extreme examples of botched surgery), but when I see China compensation I see you’re daughter getting raped and the rapist bribing you to not tell the police. When that doesn’t work the rapist bribes the police or something along those lines.

      • Cauffiel

        Well, that is COMPLETELY different than what we are talking about here. But point taken.

        It is possible what I have read/seen broadcasted was nonsense, but malpractice lawsuits have driven a lot of internal medicine doctors out of business. Most of them have private practices and often can’t afford malpractice insurance rates that are so high because of the personal comp lawsuits (even if they’ve never themselves been sued). Surgeons and specialists have hospitals behind them, but the vanguard of the U.S. medical system is badly hampered by this horseshit.

  • Cauffiel

    Maybe he just thought it was funny someone was crying over a phone.

    • Claude

      Come on, those things aren’t cheap anymore. She just a normal person not some wealthy socialite.

      • vincent_t

        Well, to the police man may be it is cheap, you know…with the grey income..

      • Cauffiel

        I agree its shitty to lose a phone, but it is nothing an adult should cry over.

        • Claude

          She’s 19yrs. Does that qualify as an adult in mainland China? She wanted to be my girlfriend but she was way to young for me. I was looking for a way to let her down. I’m not one to dip into the fountain of youth, I have more self- esteem than that.

          • Cauffiel

            Sounds like 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lbs bag.

  • Gordon Gogodancer

    Well the last time they drank milk you know what happened so…. :p

  • Ralphrepo

    PRC social operant conditioning at its best.

  • Repatriated

    Planking…you’re doing it wrong….

  • el109

    i’ll never give up seat on a train or bus, no matter how old you are, how sick you are… not because i don’t respect the elderly, or have no conscience… it is because i have a serious case of motion sickness… i’ll end up vomiting real bad if i have to stand for more than 10 minutes on a bus or train…

  • nondimwit

    A Good Samaritan law would render this problem moot. Too bad China is too fucking stupid to pass one.

  • Repatriated

    So they can get some money out of someone that helps them, of course.

  • mike921

    ‘… dial 120 and wait for professional medical personnel to come…’ Professional medical personnel? China? So much for comic relief.

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