CCTV Reports Starbucks Prices Higher in China, Chinese Reactions

A Chinese Starbucks employee hands out free samples.

China’s state-broadcaster CCTV recently aired a report on the international coffee chain Starbucks charging higher prices in China than in other markets. Due to its reach, this of course received a lot of attention online as well. On China’s most popular microblogging platform, Sina Weibo, there is currently a “Starbucks Pricing Controversy” trending topic.

Of this trending topic, the third most popular weibo post is by the official CCTV account, with over 11k reshares/forwards, nearly 8k comments, and over 2k upvotes…

From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: Today’s Topic: Why is Starbucks Coffee in China More Expensive Than Other Countries? — Recently, the issue of Starbucks Coffee prices has received attention. Some customers discovered that its prices in our country are much higher than in the United States and Europe. An insider exposed that the cost of materials for every cup of latte is less than 4 yuan, while the sale price in China reaches as high as many tens of yuan! It’s the same cup of coffee, so why is the profit margin this high in China? Tune in today on the news channel!

CCTV Sina Weibo promotes its investigative report into Starbucks pricing in China compared to other countries.

Comments on this microblog post on Sina Weibo:

远方的微光:

The rent is expensive. [哈哈]

药人脉:

Everything is expensive once it comes to China.

LHL-良:

Chinese people are too rich.

熊勁松不能沒有迪兒:

Brand effect.

-葉z:

Lots of foolish/stupid money.

李小包_Cherry:

China’s commodity/material prices are high, rents are expensive, so their must be an increase in costs.

淡淡如雪999:

Lot’s of foolish/stupid money amongst Chinese people, easier to cheat.

诺瓦De幸福:

Because taxes in the Heavenly Kingdom are high.

Dada_BetterHalf:

It’s the brand, it’s because it’s imported.

范er-Park花:

In China, what isn’t sold that is expensive?

令人无语:

The same reinforced concrete, so why is China’s housing prices so expensive?

有追求的麦叔:

Different marketing strategy, different market positioning. No one regulated that there be one price worldwide.

A Starbucks store in China with distinctive Chinese architecture.

The second most popular is also a CCTV weibo, published a few hours later, with nearly 65k reshares/forwards, nearly 29k comments, and over 3k upvotes…

From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: #Starbucks Coffee Pricing Investigation# The Price of a 354ml Medium Cup Latte — At a Starbucks in Beijing, the selling price for a 354ml cafe latte: 27 yuan RMB; at a Starbucks in London, UK, the selling price for a 354ml cafe latte: 24.25 yuan RMB; at a Starbucks in Chicago, USA, the selling price for a 354ml cafe latte: 19.98 yuan RMB; at a Starbucks in Mumbai, India, the selling price for a 354ml cafe latte: 14.6 yuan RMB. What do you think? http://t.cn/zRI9WCP

Comments on this microblog post on Sina Weibo:

_牧悠:

The people are stupid but have too much money.

汪仁哒:

How much does storefront rents account for?

小幺1980:

Just ripping off Chinese people.

小魏Solitary:

I agree with this, investigate them, and strive for price reductions.

Lim-Qiao:

That’s why I never go to Starbucks to buy coffee.

大S咕咕:

China, where the poeple are stupid and have too much money…

_牧悠:

[Some people just] like to be poseur cunts [by drinking Starbucks].

阿娇PIU:

Why are Chinese people’s money so easy to earn?

存款利率网:

Lots of foolish money, [because] who without money would go to there?

雨儿Arlene:

It’s clearly because they feel it’s easy to bully Chinese people of their RMB.

Cataleya需要正能量:

No choice! Drinking coffee is ubiquitous amongst Indians, so if Starbucks was even more expensive, they’d have no business.

小龊是学霸:

Heh heh! I’m a school tyrant [student] and only drink instant [coffee]!

丶Westlife:

Why is it so cheap for Indians?

生动兰:

Let the market adjust it.

Temporary storefront advertising the opening of a Starbucks in China.

In comparison, the top weibo in the trending topic has over 76k reshares/forwards, over 24k comments, and notably over 38k upvotes. It is made by Chinese netizen and internet celebrity @作业本 (literally “homework booklet”, real name Sun Jie) who has over 7 million fans/followers, more than many actual entertainment industry stars…

From Sina Weibo:

@作业本: Purchasing the most expensive housing in the world, driving the most expensive cars in the world, filling up with the fastest rising gasoline prices, eating the least safe food in the world, enjoying medical care where most families can be bankrupted by one serious illness, using an internet that is simultaneously expensive and slow and disgusting, posting microblogs [in a country] that “receives the most express delivery parcels” in the world [referring to intimidation visits by authorities due to online speech]… These you completely turn a blind eye to and yet you come tell me that a cup of coffee I drink less than five times a year is the most expensive coffee in the world? That’s interesting!

Comments on this microblog post on Sina Weibo:

清朝贪官和珅:

I saw this passage in my politics textbook today–Our country’s constitution stipulates that all the power in the People’s Republic of China belongs to the people. Just looking at this I laughed.

Kruolan:

Exactly!

充滿正能量滴哈切嗒叭NonnieYang:

Wasn’t 作业本’s weibo [account] deleted?

牧秀:

Indeed.

steven_xu_:

Time for your water meter to be checked. [嘻嘻]

苦逼的九零后:

Once again you’re asking for your water meter to be checked. [Jokingly refers to authorities visiting you pretending to check your water meter but actually to intimidate you for comments made online.]

懒馋废的lkaiser:

Hahahahahaha, so there are still people who watch TV in this day and age.

_白姑娘:

Open the door, you have an express delivery package! [Another variation of the “water meter” joke.]

沙漠蜘蛛侠:

Haven’t drank in so many years now, truly expensive.

刁學兵:

The path our country takes is that of socialism with Chinese characteristics! It is the only way to save China!

睿半仙:

I drink it less than once a year.

______浩子:

So incisive/penetrating.

二当家2007:

Stupid reporters.

王麻子不再是王王:

Yeah, and is reporting it going to result in lowering the price?

小拳紧握:

Two words: “he he”. Starbucks, who did you offend~~~?

小丑hold:

Recently, the Heavenly Kingdom Channel [CCTV] has attacked/targeted Apple then Samsung and now wants to attack Starbucks. Such high level attacks.

Mococo在奋斗:

While watching this news, waves of grass mud horses surged forth in my heart!!! I approve/upvote with fury!

李萌Raymond:

They want you to scrimp and save, and use your money on buying a house/home.

像泰迪得草泥马:

Exactly, such a joke! They don’t [report on] practical/real problems [挖鼻屎] They’re hopeless.

claire幸运星:

CCTV clearly wants to give Starbucks trouble…

亦武不能武:

Otherwise what else can they report on? In China, everything that is relevant to the people’s lives are now sensitive topics.

笨小孩是个吉他手:

We must be fenqing, but also fenqing with thoughts and ideals.

落葉知秋o_O:

Instead of reporting on life’s necessities, they mobilize their worldwide journalists and resources to report on coffee. [睡觉]

美庐meii:

You may not drink it, but there are people who do.

宋一成:

The [government] leaders drink Starbucks and resent it being expensive.

Beeloved:

Fooling us low classes, diverting attention, and firmly believing that our IQs are zero.

爱乐游:

Selective blindness.

胡婷要努力努力再努力:

Attacking Starbucks~ Also indirectly showing that their big TV channel has journalists stationed in various places throughout the world~

卢伟LW:

CCAV thinks all of China’s citizens are local tyrants [the ostentatious wealthy].

Chinese people drinking Starbucks.

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  • Rei Yu Tian

    It’s expensive because people are willing to purchase it for the image and lifestyle. Same reason why people buy luxury goods in the first place, for the image and lifestyle thats associated with said item.

    Starbucks in China is associated with luxury, and people want to associate themselves with luxury, so they will buy the coffee. Samething with Haagan daz in China, I know a guy that saved a cup from starbucks and carried his home brewed coffee in it. Once again, its all for the image luxury goods bring.

    • slob

      Exactly. Starbucks isn’t stupid, they know how to market and who to market to. The Chinese wealthy folk are so obsessed with image that they’re willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money on goods that are absolute shite in other countries. McDonald’s and KFC in Australia are garbage food and people usually only eat it as a quick food option, most of whom use the drive-thru and be on their way. Here, they love being seen in KFC and Starbucks, and especially Haagen-Dasz because they think it makes them look elite.

      And what I can’t understand is why they care about a coffee shop being expensive when most of them don’t even like coffee. It would be like complaining about expensive smelly tofu restaurants in Australia.

      • Nessquick Choco

        nice and exactly :-)

      • Rei Yu Tian

        which is why starbucks in china actually serve soy milk and fried doughstick, hahahaha!

      • 二奶头发

        On weibo there are chinese people that do refer to McDonalds’ and KFC food as 垃圾食品 (junk food) and go one step further to call it 洋垃圾 (foreign garbage food) doing a keyword search on weibo will show you the posts.

        In May the do health check reports on many consumer establishments. This year a report circulated that the ice used in some of the fast food restaurants was as dirty as water from a toilet bowl. So now chinese people say (不加冰) don’t add ice to my drink.

        • and go one step further to call it 洋垃圾 (foreign garbage food) doing a keyword search on weibo will show you the posts.

          I’d do a search, but I believe you. Imagine if foreigners called restaurants in Chinatowns in the west, chinese rubbish food? The end of which would never be heard!

          • Riddler

            Well they do eat human babies in china, and dry dead babies in ovens, then chop them up, turn them into powder, make capsules, and sell them as anti-aging medicine.

            Now watch. A few people may go berserk after this comment. Check it and you will find it is true.

          • Probotector

            Check it where?

          • Riddler

            let me dig up the links and get back to you. I asked some colleagues about it here in shanghai, they looked at me with bewildered expressions while chomping on their dinner and, said yes its good for anti-ageing and continued eating like everything under the sun (the one we can’t often see in shanghai) is ok.

      • ex-expat

        where are you in Australia? I just moved to Sydney a few months ago..

    • Mony Xie

      I feel sad for that guy.

      • Rei Yu Tian

        living like a poser is never a good idea, he makes around 2500 yuan a month doing entry level IT, you can be sure that his equal level co-workers are quite shocked at how he’s able to spend 40 yuan on coffee each day when they all go penniless by living in Beijing.

        • But the rest he makes from fa piao, travel expenses, scams on the side and so on. Don’t give me the poor I only earn 2,500 yuan a month…most won’t reveal the perks and bonuses.

          • Rei Yu Tian

            They get company dorms and meal allowances, I don’t think its that bad to be honest, unless you have a girlfriend.

            Can’t fuck with 7 people trying to jack off next to you, you know what I’m sayinnn?

          • True, I couldn’t even jerk the meat to big titty jap porn with 7 other sweaty guys in the same room.

    • 二奶头发

      You do have that group of chinese people on weibo that are apposed to Starbucks because it’s not chinese. Years ago they tried to open up a Starbucks in the forbidden city which got lots of chinese people angry.

      I’ve seen posts on weibo where chinese people call other chinese people 假洋鬼子 it’s a derogatory term to mean fake foreign devil. It’s directed toward that group of chinese who act foreign and live a foreign lifestyle. like dressing up in trendy burberry clothes, drinking at Starbucks etc.

      • Rei Yu Tian

        It just makes them seem like sour grapes to be honest, what business is it to them how others live their life and spend their money?

        • Personally expats should not waste money on the vain frippery of starbucks, and so on.

        • 二奶头发

          It’s part jealousy and part envy I think. (but they would never admit it).

          It’s also a part of human nature. It doesn’t matter where you are from you have that poor rich argument all the time. China just adds a spin to it by relating western culture to wealth and riches.

          • Rei Yu Tian

            Well said~

    • linette lee

      no, Haagan daz does taste better. Anyone who loves ice cream will tell you haagan daz does taste better than other ice cream brand. It has higher protein too. They use better ingredients. Like mango haagan daz ice cream you can find real mango pieces inside and taste really good. Strawberry you will find pieces of strawberry inside. Coffee taste like fresh coffee. Haagan daz Green tea taste better than those Japanese Chinese green tea ice cream. Haagan daz is worth the money. The company probably spend tons of money hiring taster to test their products to come up with the best taste for each flavor. They should hire me. :)

      • Rei Yu Tian

        Haagan daz bars have definitely gotten smaller over the years…

      • GoldenEagle

        Sorry but Ben and Jerry’s is better than Haagan crap.

  • Alex

    What’s new

  • Truth

    1. Starbucks coffee is less likely to have pig shit and dead babies in it than Chinese equivalents;
    2. Starbucks have nicer places and let people sit there and just drink water, at Chinese pretentious cafes with their fake vogue shit furniture force you to buy something or you have to get out;
    3. Starbucks is a premier institution in China compared to Western countries who have closer quality-focused competitors;
    4. Starbucks has to offset the costs of bribing corrupt Chinese officials and state workers;
    5. Starbucks has to offset the costs of cleaning up the piss and shit left around by Chinese visitors to their coffee shops, which can be quite expensive sometimes depending on how much gutter oil the defecator eats;
    6. People actually like going to Starbucks, some of their drinks are nice and their staff are quite friendly compared to Chinese drink houses, you pay for better quality that simply isn’t evident in China;
    7. Import tarriffs on foreign goods including coffee for example make these goods relatively expensive compared to other countries.

    8. The staff have to burden themselves by listening to pretentious Chinese who dress up in their finest just to come and look at their iPhones and browse Taobao or whatever the Hell they do all the time on them, or find a nice white man who will make their dreams come true (for the next 48 hours or so).

    Please feel free to add other reasons comrades.

    • Truth

      FYI I’m not mocking Chinese people per se or in general, just the pretentious ones who think hanging in Starbucks makes you superior to other people….them and people who spit, shit and piss everywhere.

      • takasar1

        in other words, the rich and the poor respectively…?

    • slob

      ROFL. I dunno about the pretentious thing though, I mean everyone back home who visits Starbucks is most likely a pretentious hipster pleb that sit there on their Macs leeching free wi-fi and trying to look intelligent.

      Have a woolen backpack? Check.
      Wear woolen beanies? Check.
      Wear raggedy clothes even though you can afford much better? Check.
      Have a shitty haircut and wear thin rimmed glasses? Check.
      Have too much facial hair even for slobs? Check.
      Study some pointless major like philosophical characters of the 4th century Rome? Check.
      Welcome to Starbucks!

      • Alphy

        Hey hey now, not EVERYONE… I just been to a Starbucks yesterday, it is probably the only store around here that sells you anything that remotely taste like coffee. It is a little bit more pricier, but they also have all these discount cards and credit card deals that US don’t have, which I think comes to around the same cost.

        Oh one thing that does piss me off is that you can’t use the freaken global gift cards. China is like the ONLY country that you can’t use it in. I have to keep telling my friends back home to stop gifting me those cards as I can’t use them at all here.

    • mr.wiener

      You forgot the toilets, clean and able to be sat upon…ahhh bliss!

      • Germandude

        Never seen a toilet in a Starbucks. Seriously.

        • Nessquick Choco

          mee too, didn’t seen anywhere. it was always at the building, but not belong to Starbucks

          • 用开水烫我!

            because they always rent inside the malls or office buildings.
            in some isolated good locations,they have their own bathroom.like in xintiandi.

          • Nessquick Choco

            this may be the case.

        • mr.wiener

          There wasn’t a starbucks to be seen the last time I was in China. I’m stupidly thinking all the starbucks in Taiwan [China lite] will be the same as China. :(

          • Germandude

            Same same but not the same ;-)

          • Probotector

            China lite, ROFLMAO!

            That was funny

        • Riddler

          They don’t need toilets, they just piss and shit anywhere.

        • JackJack

          In Shenyang I personally know of at least 2 starbucks that have their own toilets. One in MixC and the other in Tiexi.

      • Riddler

        So kai writes shit and then deletes peoples replies? What is with the moderating? Chinese can swear, call people cunts, tell white people to fuck off, call white people all kinds of crap, but the moment we reply, kai gets involved with his essays. How do you justify this?

        • Kai

          If you’re going to continue making false accusations (here about deleting replies), you will be banned for trolling.

          We’ve banned and moderated both Chinese and white people. There is no conspiracy. The last deleted comment was from 3 days ago by someone spamming “chink” in an effort to troll.

          • Riddler

            You withheld my reply. That is why i said you are deleting. You waited, then allowed the post. I am not fucking thick that i would ‘accuse’ you of deleting if you hadn’t deleted. Do you READ what you write? It seems you need to be moderated. Go ahead and ban me, that is the power trip you are on so use it. Typical.

          • Kai

            What are you talking about? I didn’t withhold your reply. Did you merely not refresh your screen or something? Even then, that’s unlikely because Disqus tries to update new comments in real-time (it doesn’t work perfectly and sometimes mixes up usernames resulting in new comments appearing to be made by a different commenter, which is something many regular commenters have experienced before).

            You’re thick enough to claim you have proof that the chinaSMACK website is hacking your computer and that we only moderate white people and not Chinese people, so it isn’t a big leap to worry that you’re thick enough to accuse me of deleting something simply because you jump to conclusions.

            I do read what I write. I’m not sure what part of the comment policy I’ve violated that would require me being moderated.

            You haven’t violated the comment policy in a way that would warrant you being banned.

          • Riddler

            You just don’t give up do you? I apologised for calling you a moron. Apology retracted.

            I don’t think anyone is interested in your dissertations. You don’t like some harsh truths and have singled me out. That is trolling. Now go away. You are an extremely dull writer, there is no fun in this. Even eattott has some appeal in comparison and THAT is saying something. You are boring Kai. Go sit an exam or something, you are still in TOEFL/IELTS mode.

          • Kai

            Me clicking through each of your responses as they come in and responding to them doesn’t mean “I just don’t give up”. It just means there’s a delay between when you announced a conversation is over and I should stop responding and when I see that unilateral responses of yours and decide whether or not I’ve said my piece.

            I’m not forcing anyone to read my dissertations. I don’t agree with what you assume to be truths. I haven’t singled you out any more than I have singled out Linette Lee. You attacked me and I’ve responded. Not sure what you expected.

            If you don’t want me to respond to you, don’t talk to me or participate in a public forum where people might opt to respond to other participants in that forum.

          • Riddler

            Let’s just make peace and move on. Read my previous post. This is not fun for either your nor me. I for my part, once again, apologise for insulting you Sir.

            I mean it. Not easy for someone with my attitude to say this publicly:-) Really, I mean it. sorry man, your job is hard enough as it is and i don’t want to make your day any harder.

            NOW I HAVE TO GO! She’s licking her lips man!

          • Kai

            Enjoy your blowjob. I’m going to dinner myself. If I come back later tonight or tomorrow and you’ve pissed on me further, I’ll continue to respond as I see fit.

          • Riddler

            You admit that i pissed on you then? :-)

          • bert

            talking about your degenerate sex life online speaks volumes about your character.

          • Riddler

            Getting a blow job from a female is degenerate? Haven’t been around on CS long have you? My, you ARE in for some shocks and jolts.

          • Noodle

            Holy fucking shit, you’re quite the obnoxious, petty little character aren’t you Riddler? This is my first time posting on Chinasmack, but all the fallacious presumptions and reasoning that you’ve employed to this point has infuriated me to the point of picking a name and writing a comment in reply to your vitriolic and salacious activity on Chinasmack.

          • Riddler

            Calm yourself.

          • Riddler

            “….has infuriated me to the point of picking a name…”

            And the best name you could come up with is ‘noodle’?

            Oh and put the Thesaurus DOWN. It always amuses me when chinese people first discover synonyms and get a little feverish. It all ‘smacks of china’….

          • Hahaha, this is all comical. Noodle as a name, lol, good post riddler. are ye a batman fan perchance?

          • Riddler

            Well I was all ready to write up some positive vibes on the current news when Noodle the Furious just pops out of nowhere and gets all mad at me. What was I supposed to do?

            Batman? How did you GUESS!?:-)

          • nananananana….Batman!

          • Middle_Kingdum

            Noodle is just using his noodle to find all those big important words.

          • Riddler

            Yes, he’s another one with a penchant for the cliches of formal speech. He going at me for being obnoxious, petty, infuriating him (i liked that one actually) vitriolic, and salacious. I mean this is CS! What are we supposed to do? Quote from the Bible?

          • Yeah, whats wrong with a bj? Bill clinton got one (and a rimjob!) in the oval office.

          • Riddler

            Hahahaha!

          • Riddler

            Troll much? Nothing original to say?

          • Riddler

            ‘You’re thick enough to claim you have proof that the chinaSMACK website is hacking your computer and that we only moderate white people and not Chinese people, so it isn’t a big leap to worry that you’re thick enough to accuse me of deleting something simply because you jump to conclusions.’

            I’m wise enough to know hacking is standard in china. I’m wise enough to know that since you have a pro chinese slant, you are stupid enough to use your position for personal reasons.

            I’m going for a break. I have a choice to sit here reading your boring mind creaking or, getting a blow job from a sexxy lady.

            Outta here for now.

          • Kai

            You believe hacking is standard in China so everyone is engaged in hacking.

            You believe someone has a pro-Chinese slant so they must be.

            You believe I am stupid enough to use my position for personal reasons so I must be.

            Not a single one of these presumptions are “wise”.

          • mr.wiener

            I checked the deleted box. You aren’t in there, it’s just diqus being weird.
            Dial the paranoia down from “11” please.

          • Riddler

            So it’s not Kai being weird, just discus? What a relief! Working that dial right now, but hey, you know how it is in mainland, paranoia is a healthy attitude.

            Thanks tho.

          • Riddler

            Oh i might add that while i was waiting and refreshed the screen a few times, i posted 3 comments to that ‘person’ asking him to be a man and allow my replies. Those the comments aren’t here.

          • Kai

            Except they are.

            You’ve mistaken how Disqus works with a conspiracy against you. Disqus truncates the number of comments displayed, meaning it only displays like ~50 comments on first load; that’s why there is a “Load more comments” button at the bottom. Click that until all comments are loaded and you’ll see that your comments are still there.

            This is a sort of pagination. There are 352 comments on this post at this time. Only 53 are displayed. It’s like how our homepage doesn’t display all nearly 2000 posts in cS’s history. Loading all of the comments uses more technical resources so it only loads some of them and gives you the option to prompt for more.

          • mr.wiener

            I will reiterate. The only comments from you that are in the deleted box are the one that I have put there….recently ….today. You are trying my patience sport, how about YOU being a man instead of a whiny bitch.
            In my mind you have plenty to add to the discourse about China so I don’t think of you as a troll, but your occasional ….lapses into delusion and stupidity are GETTING ON MY TITS [translation: are very annoying].
            Give the mods a freaking break here. We are not bloody supermen and we are trying to be even handed. If that’s not good enough for you , then piss off.
            I’m speaking to you frankly because I respect your opinions, stop acting like a wanker.

          • Riddler

            I have been a bit of a wanker i agree. I replied to you above with an apology and mean it. Sorry man.

            ps. just one reply to probotector above, it will be short and careful pleeeeeease?

          • bert

            Wow how can you see peoples skin color over the internet? Amazing!

          • Probotector

            He’s generalizing.

          • Riddler

            As usual.

          • Kai

            You understood my response, which is that I don’t discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, or nationality (whether actual or feigned, which happens on cS) in my moderation, that I only moderate “white people” and never “Chinese people”, as he falsely accused.

            People sometimes reveal what they are and sometimes they don’t, and of course I have very little way to be sure of either. What they are however doesn’t influence whether or not I determine them to have violated the comment policy or, given our leniency, willfully violated the comment policy repeatedly and thus require moderation.

          • Riddler

            He may find your lack of trust in his powers disturbing.

        • mr.wiener

          If you are referring to to Bear, he is an abrasive twit , but he hasn’t broken any rules….yet. I don’t think the “C” belongs on these pages , but as I explained the other day it is down to the individual to decide what etiquette they decide to use.

          • Riddler

            Thanks man. On my part, i’ll try and behave too:-)

    • chosan

      true Chinese Nationalists drink green Tea. I think cofee is cheaper where more people drink it

      • Truth

        I though they drank Moutai or paint stripper?

        • iLL

          I had a Moutai sour drink at Bo Innovation in Hong Kong…awesome!! Never thought Moutai could taste so good!

          • radbab

            I’m tempted to try it. But this could be a trick….?

          • iLL

            well i tried it at this 2 star michelin restaurant, so maybe they do something to it to make this Moutai taste better lol

          • mr.wiener

            Kinmen Kaoliung isn’t too bad if it’s the good stuff [20 years old]

          • Riddler

            15,000 rmb for that stuff.

        • hess

          Maotai is by far the most disgusting piece of shit liquor ive ever had… “But this bottle costs 1000RMB”… Thank god for hengshui laobaigan

          • donscarletti

            Dude, if you think Maotai sucks, it’s because you haven’t tried any other Baijiu.

            Try Niulanshan (牛栏山) some day, it’s awful. Or the stuff they sell in 4L plastic bottles.

            Maotai tastes pretty good actually, the problem is, it doesn’t quite taste as good as a bottle of whiskey that costs ¥200

          • hess

            eh, ive tried niulanshan and ill have that over maotai any day. my fav is deff 42% 衡水老白干 though

          • radbab

            Don’t diss the plastic bottle Baijiu. Or the one that comes in the glasses with the tin-foil on top. Disgusting shit. But you cannot argue with the price!

            That’s great value! 5 rmb and a free glass and alcohol! where else do you get that?

          • Riddler

            In a chemical factory.

          • bert

            Suntori time.

      • TheSOP

        Still not as good as a good black tea. Perhaps healthier. The bad part is those same psuedo-nationalist sanlu drinking idiots like to mimic their STD infested pedophile hero Mao and not brush their teeth for a decade so they have gnarly gross stainage and the breath to boot.

    • donscarletti

      I heard a while back that profits were comparatively low in Chinese Starbucks because:
      1) Guests almost always come for a seat, rather than take away.
      2) Guests will often stay for 2h or longer after buying a single item.
      Thus turnover is limited by floorspace to a far greater extent than most places.

      • linette lee

        People go to starbucks to enjoy the atmosphere. Starbucks is one of the prettiest cafe shop. They have really amazing interior designs. All starbucks look different. That is why they are willing to spend $$$ on a cup of latte.

        http://www.dearcoffeeiloveyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/starbucks_full.jpg

        • Bear

          Starbucks is just a shitty multi billion dollar corporation that stole its entire business from italian style coffee shops.

          • Riddler

            So, based on your premise, there are many shitty chinese corporations who steal their entire business from other shitty business to create a whole new meaning of shitty business.

            http://www.businessinsider.com/china-fake-stores-2011-8

            Now, go away, sit down in a corner, with a pillow, pound it with your fists while whining pitifully. Oh, don’t forget to take your fake iPhone with a local chinese rendition of ‘cry me a river’.

          • Claude

            Any reviews of these coffeehouses? I’d love to know what the coffee is like.

          • Guest

            Here!

          • bert

            wish you had the idea first right?

      • Riddler

        3. They bring food from home and eat in starbucks so paying customers cant find an f-ing seat.

      • Bear

        I see guests buying a cheap drink and staying for hours in european starbucks all the time. How is this a chinese characteristic, you fucking moron?

        • Riddler

          How do you know they bought cheap drinks and stayed for hours? Ah, I see….

    • Ray

      Dat truth!

    • ex-expat

      exactly…just another reason for me to hate those insecure crooked bastards. I am so happy that there seems to be a good amount of Chinese who see through their bullshit.

    • Kiwi

      Starbucks coffee also has the aroma of under paid employees. Mm!

    • Bear

      You’re just a moronic racist. Keep insulting the Chinese, they’ll be the ones laughing once your worthless country becomes an irrelevant third world shithole.

      • Truth

        Hahaha, the majority of Chinese people will never see any wealth in their lifetimes compared to the standard of living that people in Western countries will have for a very long time to come. You will be dead and gone by then ;)

    • mike921

      Don’t forget all the bribes (oops – gifts) they need to pay to all the useless ‘government’ officials just to stay in business…

    • Riddler

      That is just a classic. Hat off to you Sir! Very succinctly phrased as is your usual manner.

  • 5000 years of history …

    Starbucks always gives a Fapiao. That’s why it’s so ficking expensive. At least they pay taxes on everything. Can you see the bullshit online if they didn’t pay taxes!?

    • Anonymous

      Your interjection doesn’t make any sense. Are you implying that they don’t pay taxes in other countries, thereby bringing prices down in those markets?

      • 5000 years of history ….

        I guess you never lived in china. Most places you have to beg for the Fapiao. They hand it out with every order. Hence they pay taxes on everything. Most coffee shops bars never give a Fapiao. You sit don’t make any sense

        • Anonymous

          I think you misunderstand. The article is about Starbucks being more expensive in China than elsewhere. Your remark would only be relevant to the discussion if Starbucks were somehow exempt of paying taxes in other countries, therefore justifying the higher price in China.

          Or I suppose an alternate interpretation of what you’re saying is that the higher cost of paper in China is what’s padding the prices, since they allegedly hand out receipts with every order. Is that correct?

          • 5000 years of history

            It’s no point even discussing with you. You never lived there. No Fapiao no taxes paid. Fapiao are purchased in advance from the tax bureau. If you don’t have to pay taxes on what you sell, is it possible to be cheaper? Or an alternative thought, if you have to pay taxes on everything you sell and your competition doesn’t, maybe your company might be more expensive. Anyways my point is made to anyone who has lived there and had to get a Fapiao to be reimbursed.

        • mr.wiener

          In Taiwan you fapiao is actually a lottery ticket which is drawn at the end of each month. Naturally people started to demand their fapiao, there are even beggars who wait outside 7-11 asking for your fapiao. It wiped out most of the black market in about a week.

          • Alphy

            They have a similar system here in China, except the lottery is usually like 5rmb, and now you can’t even get the money at the restaurant and have to redeem them at bank.

            The price is actually not that different than US if you account for all the different deals they do with credit card companies. You have buy one get one free, points pay back, etc. All of those cost money, and have to be accounted for.

            Also Tax and rent space is quite high in China, it’s not that Starbucks don’t pay tax in other country but that their burden are much higher in China. There are VAT, import/custom tax, employer paid SS and housing tax, stamp/contract tax (yes they tax on every contract you make), as well as close to 25% of business tax, and oh if you want to take profit out of China you have to pay another tax.

          • mr.wiener

            5 rmb?! What cheap arses! I’ve won $10,000nt twice and the prizes can be as high as $300,000nt.

          • radbab

            or make it that you can’t just win money but lose it too. I’m sure restaurants will be eager to give everyone a Fapiao that way ;)

      • Riddler

        Well they certainly didn’t pay their taxes in the UK. Check it.

  • debeers

    Because most people in china don’t drink coffee so it’s kind of a niche thing? Because, starbucks here have a more pleasant atmosphere compared to other stores where you can sit down, have a drink. Not to mention, you don’t have to deal with cigarette smoke. I don’t know if they do it worldwide but I’m pretty sure starbucks in china don’t grow their coffee locally because it would be laced with all sorts of nasty chemicals if they did.

    • twelve ways

      Good luck finding locally grown coffee anywhere except in the coffee belt.

  • slob

    Why the fuck am I paying $10 for a chicken chow mein back home?

    • mr.wiener

      They same reason you pay far too much for a plate of pasta or a shite hamburger in China.

    • TheSOP

      Yea it doesnt even have authentic Chinese gutter oil in it!? We’ve been had!

    • Riddler

      Because it is real chicken.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Idiots who pay $6 for a cup of 20¢ coffee.

    • 二奶头发

      And then gives a $1 tip to the guy who poured the cup.

      • Claude

        Great hair. Are you from China?

      • TheSOP

        People tip??? looooooooooool

    • In their minds, an idiot with who can pay 6 bucks for a coffee is better than an idiot who can’t. “Woo, I’m the BETTER kind of idiot”

    • B*tches, Leave

      Some guys laugh at idiots who spend a lot of money for a cup of coffee; some guys laugh at idiots who think 6$ is a lot of money …

      • Rei Yu Tian

        Its all about your view on whats wasteful and what isn’t. For example I think eating out is wasteful to some degrees but I wouldnt think twice about paying for that nice sweater that costed $5 to make but sold for $90. Everyones “worthiness” meter is different.

      • Riddler

        I don’t buy expensive coffee, but would pay a lot of money if the coffee is good. Starbucks is expensive.

        In London, even at the airport, a latte is cheaper than in shanghai starbucks. London heathrow sells latte starting at 1.15 which is what? Around 11-12 rmb.

  • Germandude

    Reasons are simple: You need the correct licenses for being allowed to import the goods. Let’s not forget about the additional costs for licenses of running a shop/cafe etc.
    It’s not like some bright business men from abroad came up with the idea: “Oh look, Chinese average income is a fraction of what it is in our home countries. Let’s charge them double”. Just think of how much money the government gest for each BMW that’s sold here. The difference between the Chinese list price and the German list price is not going to BMW’s pocket.

    • vincent_t

      License is one of the reason but not the main 1. The VAT is the culprit for all the unreasonable price tag. And that makes Chinese government the richest government on earth

      • Germandude

        I pretty much doubt that when comparing the VAT amounts of China with the rest of the world. It’s the licenses you need. Especially for small/medium-sized foreign companies it’s a mystery to go through the jungle of regulations and licenses required in China.
        Most of them find a Chinese local company that bought all the licenses and runs its businesses (like exports/imports etc.) through them. The middleman with the license knows that he has a monopoly and charges extra (obviously).

        • ex-expat

          I’m not sure about coffee, but VAT is 100% why many things (mainly luxury goods such as BWM, LV, etc.) are more expensive in China, but according to CNN:

          “Starbucks (SBUX, Fortune 500) spokesman Jim Olson said Tuesday that it was “inaccurate” to suggest margins are higher in China than the U.S. Higher prices were a reflection of the higher local costs for employee training and sourcing, he said.
          Differences in the way Chinese consumers use Starbucks are another factor. Compared to some Western markets, where consumers often take their orders to go, Chinese customers are likely to linger, necessitating much larger than normal stores.

          http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/22/news/starbucks-china/

        • vincent_t

          Very likely, but still that is an one off non-repetitive cost tho. It does not make sense to amortize the cost into every cup of coffee you sell and the amortization stays for the rest of the business life.
          VAT in China is rather special and to some extend is a rip off. The VAT is imposed not only on the final good, but imposed on every raw material/ semi final good that sold from upstream company to another company along the whole supply chain.
          To put it in layman way, if you buy a pencil, the VAT is imposed when company A sells the raw graphite to company B, and again when company B sells processed rod of graphite to company C, and again when company C sells it to retailer. So with all the VAT of every level added up, we get to where we are today.

          Oh BTW, the tax is exempted if the goods are to be exported. And that explains why iphone is so expensive in China than in other countries.

          • Germandude

            I stand corrected as I haven’t thought about your explanation which is feasible.

    • Bear

      You don’t understand business at all do you.

      Starbucks is simply positioning itself as a premium brand in China when it’s just an average low quality shop in the West.

      There is no reason whatsoever for Starbucks lattes costing more than european or american ones, even taking account all the licenses or import tariffs (which are pretty low compared to other developing nations). In fact, since Chinese workers cost a fraction of western ones, a starbucks coffee should be substantially cheaper than in the west.

      But as soon as Chinese society becomes wealthier, they’ll dump starbucks just like the koreans and chinese have done.

      • Riddler

        ‘As soon as chinese become wealthier they will dump starbucks?’

        So right now its peasants who visit starbucks? Is that what you are saying?

        And until you all become richer (making money off fake starbucks) you will continue visiting starbucks with a heavy heart? You havent replied to my other posts. Why not?

        • Bear

          The only people who go to Starbucks are poseurs.

          If you think they don’t exist in the West, look up hipsters.

          I’d say the situation is worse there.

  • Claude

    So where do I go for a proper cup of coffee in China? For the first time in the longest time I had to go to a multinational corp(Starfucks)for a proper cup. In the morning I went to a McDonalds of all places for a cup. I never thought I’d venture into a McGrease again in my life but there I was.

    • Alphy

      Exactly. For those of you who have not tasted coffee that they serve you in China’s regular restaurant, go try one. You will then see why there are so many people in Starbucks.

    • Germandude

      I buy the coffee in Germany or the Netherlands and carry it here on the flight. If there is one thing that I cannot find here just yet, it’s my favorite coffe that I am drinking every morning for 20 years…

      • Or if you are a brit yorkshire tea bags, or your favourite brand. Fortunately the supermarket near here sells a good sri lankan brand, but with the water here, still not the same as a cuppa at home,

        • twelve ways

          Every time I hire a new teacher from the UK I get them to bring me a box of Yorkshire Tea :)

        • gregblandino

          Actually I just bought Yorkshire Gold on Taobao for a fairly reasonable price. I’m not from the UK, but I had a coworker from Scarborough try it out and she said it was legit. Anyways, if your living here it is possible to get yourself a “proper” brew, and for someone that was born and raised drinking coffee the Yorkshire Gold’s got enough kick in it to pry ya eyes open in the morning.

          • Interesting, had a few bad experiences with taobao though, and most likely won’t be in China anylonger, but will give it a look.

    • radbab

      spending money on a decent espresso machine is a good investment here in China. A year of Starbucks coffee buys you a very nice model.

      • Claude

        That’s a good idea but a aroma and atmosphere coffee shop not to mention a newspaper is really apart of the vice, I’d really miss that. I just don’t want to go for coffee at $tarbucks our McGrease’s.

        Chinese traditional tea-houses are also pretty cool, do they serve coffee?

        • radbab

          I like your humor. Atmosphere and Starbucks? ;)

      • Indeed my good man, indeed. I sold my last one when I left, but boy the smell and taste in the morning was good.

    • Vince

      Don’t know if Hong Kong can be compared with China but at McCafe Hong Kong the Espresso are quite acceptable compared to starbucks.

  • 二奶头发

    I never did like Starkbucks. They charged rescuers for water during the 911 attacks

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/26/september11.usa3

    • As someone once said in a film about the evil empire coffee chains=

      “Star equals universe, bucks equals money, money runs the universe baby!”

      Greedy gits for doing that , downright unconscionable.

    • Riddler

      NO! No f===ing way!

  • xiaode

    Hahaha.. what´s next.. how long it will take them to find out that (many foreign) automobiles are much more expensive in China then abroad… or that almost all luxury brands have much higher prices than abroad…

    In China everything is more expensive then abroad!

    • 二奶头发

      And people in western countries think because the product is made in China it must be cheaper to buy it in China.

      • xiaode

        Yes, it´s a big mistake! The thinking -> China = Cheap… seems to be burned in many brains… if you show them facts that this is not true, they hardly believe you…

        (every time I fly back to my country, I get dozens of requests from friends at home: “you are in China… could you pls . buy this and that for me… this must be very cheap there… ” Usually I buy next to nothing from China to take it back home… but always moving a lot of gods in the other direction…. )

        • radbab

          China is cheap if you settle for Chinese quality and services. Imported stuff – expensive. Anything that’s rare on the market – expensive. Anything the locals can use to show status – expensive. Not really a China problem.

          Getting real Parmesan cheese in the US ain’t as cheap either as in Italy. Or buying Turkish coffee ain’t as cheap as in Turkey…. obviously.

          But if you settle for your average Chinese lunch restaurant you can easily have okayish lunches for about 25 – 30 kuai. Do this every day, saving the rest of your expat salary, and China will be very cheap indeed. Although after a few years you may get tired of that and decide it’s better to live more expensively ;)

          • xiaode

            Sorry, but I won´t agree with you. That was exactly my thinking and I guess everyones opinion who came to China the first time.
            The mistake is: you do not compare equal “products”/”services” and therefore you can´t compare the prices!
            If I would like to compare a Chinese restaurant with a restaurant from my country (Germany), then I first need to find a Chinese restaurant which can provide food and services in equal quality. So, I can´t consider restaurants, if:
            * the cook and staff had no proper training / education;
            * the facilities would not be able to pass the minimum standards for hygiene, means: kitchen, toilets (!!!) or dining rooms;
            * you can not be (quite) sure that food is treated and stored correctly;
            … and so on and so on.. (I am not an expert in this field, but google the rules in your (European) country yourself and check which restaurants in China can fulfill these min. requirements…)

            The same counts for most other things here.

          • radbab

            I don’t remember claiming anything different. Chinese quality is cheaper. And you say it’s lower. Yes, totally agreed. In fact, that is WHY it is cheaper, if you haven’t guessed ;)

            But don’t worry, we went to vacations in Greece, Spain, Turkey 30 years ago and the quality was the same as here in the big cities’ local restaurants, and it was good enough so people came back next year and the year after for vacation. Really, drop your standards a bit. It won’t kill you, make your life more relaxed here and save you some cash too.

          • Although after a few years you may get tired of that and decide it’s better to live more expensively ;)

            A good point, fried noodles and some combination of bony meat. veggies and rice can get boring after some time. The longing for a real burger, sandwich, pizza or so on starts to arise.

  • Nessquick Choco

    About 1 month ago, I was in Starbucks, to get my salat with beef and mashed potato. the only thing there, which was not sinoficated yet. ( no sweet mayo inside ). front of me was one guy. he have ordered about 35 drinks, for his workmates, probably. this idiot paid all the drinks one by one by credit card, just to give to every people his own bill. coz no one can understand 8x cappucino, 7x latte and 15x americano on one bill … this took whole 15 minutes, man. the rent is expensive, so that’s probably also one of the reason…

    • radbab

      If there’s one thing in SB that’s more of a rip off than the coffee then it is the food. It takes some skill to make decent coffee, especially here in China. But a mediocre sandwich or a salad? You can get the same quality at FamilyMart for less…

      • Nessquick Choco

        FamilyMart salad is shity for 7kuai and the true value is less than 0,5rmb. The one I ate in SB, is the japanese beef salad, with mashed potatoes… it is overpriced too, but way better than FM. at have some real taste :-)

        I do not eat nothing more from SB now., as everything is sinofizied and filled with tons of mayonese and other shits

        • radbab

          Haven’t seen japanese beef salad here at our Starbucks. Their stuff looks just like FMs. Now that I think about it, there’s a FM next door to the Starbucks… hmmm

          • Nessquick Choco

            Its hard to get now. I need pass 3 SB stores and come to the 4th one, which something 1km+ far away from my office… as every tasty things here in China, you can get this goodies only for limited time, until they are replaced with some sh1t which masses buy … Like FamilyMarts Chicken leg rice… so tasty and than, bam, no chicken leg anymore for more 1 year. now, accidentaly appeared again, but they are weird taste. seems like some “stock of frozen chicks from the birdflu era” are “allowed” to be sold…

  • twelve ways

    OF course it is expensive, Starbucks is selling its brand, not coffee (Starbucks coffee is actually quite shit and their baristas can’t tell you anything about the origin) and the Chinese lap that shit up. It’s all about bragging rights and the sheeple don’t mind paying extra as long as they get people to see them walking round with their Starbucks paper cup in one hand and their shitty iPhone in the other.

    My local Chinese coffee shop is owned by a guy who truly loves coffee, he can tell me the details of every cup of coffee he brews from the arabica/robusta percentage, country/region of origin and caffeine content. It is half the price of Starbucks and he always tries to buy fair trade beans.

    • Those are the best places to drink coffee.

    • Zappa Frank

      yes! in nantong i was used to drink coffee in two chinese coffeeshops of that kind. The coffee was excellent, even better than in Italy and defenitly better than in any other coffeeshop in europe were i have been so unlucky to drink an espresso.

      • Agreed. I used to be able to get a good cup of coffee for 5 rmb (with free lemon water!) and could linger as long as I wanted at a tiny coffee shop in rural guangdong. The vietnamese blend was great, as was their colombian. You are in jiangsu now?

  • Rick in China

    Whiney bitches. They only look at those who are better off than them – in fact, China isn’t the most expensive place for Starbucks coffee – but the victimized whiney bitches only look down the list not up.

    http://visual.ly/prices-compared-worldwide-starbucks-cappuccino-grande

  • twelve ways

    Starbucks sales in China will probably rise after this story.

  • moody

    I will never understand Starbucks goers in large cities like Sh or Bj
    Many better options are available, hell, even Costa charge less for MUCH better food and beverages.
    Only times i ever go to Starbucks were to meet somebody….
    Coffee taste like Shit, Salads looks 3 days old, I remember having thrown a scone after like ONE SINGLE bite.

    As many stated, they tarrifs are part of their marketing tacticts
    Same goes for Haggendazs (howerver it s spelled)
    by the way, Haggendaz expresso is by far better than Strabucks

    They just love to hold that cute branded cup on their way to work
    and let’s of course not mention the girls
    to those who can ‘t get dates here, forget the clubs, head to Starbucks

  • 用开水烫我!

    i do not buy coffee,i would spend money buy wine in bars. i think costa coffee is better.
    i like to drink white coffee at home.white coffee is my favorite.
    i think some foreign brands they do well in china because good service and good lifestyle and good choice and good design…it’s reasonable.
    we should learn from them put money build our good brands,not just say something bad.in shanghai,taiwan snacks&fast food, hongkong dessert,japan seafood…they all doing well,we should build our own brands too.

    • Truth

      You spend money to buy wine in bars? Typical pretentious Chinese trying to emulate the Western movies. I bet you wear high heels and wait for a laowai to come pick you up lol.

      Chinese are too greedy and too short sighted to build their own brands as Western and other Asian countries have done successfully.

      You would rather serve a customer shit and hide than offering an apology and a refund.

      • 用开水烫我!

        fuck off!
        i do not go to bars often. i buy wine because i like to drink wine.i do not go to bars to hook up men unless men invited me there.

        • Truth

          You are a foul Chinese woman with a mouth like a gutter lol!

          You drink wine because you a pretentious leftover woman.

          • Germandude

            She is only drinking wine to match her image of being a woman with class…

          • 用开水烫我!

            hahaha!
            whatever! i just escaped from a relationship i wanna calm down a while but now a man always talks about marriage to me and he is from north Europe ,once he mentions marriage makes me very angry.is it enough for you to know?and my ex is trying to get me back.
            i have a nice new job, cozy place, nice family, what else do i really need?

          • moody

            My mother’s Soap Opera are not that complicated

          • twelve ways

            you are a cunt

          • Truth

            I was out of order it’s true. Regret it now.

          • Probotector

            Why exactly?

          • mr.wiener

            please don’t use that word. Some people find it really offensive.

          • twelve ways

            wow. Seriously?

            So racism and cyber-bullying are fine but we can’t use a word that is acceptable in a game of Scrabble? Way to get your priorities right.

          • mr.wiener

            Them’s the rules and I’m askin’ you nice.

          • mr.wiener

            I should clarify that racism and cyber-bullying are not ok. Racist opinions are the personal feelings of the poster and it is up to that person to justify this, to what will usually be an unsympathetic crowd. Mods do not censor these posts unless the poster is an obvious troll who comes on here to get a reaction that all “White trash are subhuman” or “all Chinks have tiny winkies”.
            Cyber-bullying is not ok. Two intransigents swapping expletives is one thing, but active harassment or trolling will be moderated.
            As to the “cunt” thing… [yee gods, I just said it too!] True you could use it in a game of scrabble, or “cunnilingus” to get the triple word score…but should you? It depends on the company you are playing with. Sometimes the board can seem like a frat room environment, but for all you know someone’s granny could be posting on here too. I can’t outlaw it, I just leave it up to your discretion and good sense as to its use.

          • twelve ways

            I think the way that ‘Truth’ spoke to the Chinese poster above is actually very deserving of the ‘C word’. I think his post was unnecessary, misogynistic and downright rude.

            I totally agree with your reasoning but, as I said, I think I was justified to use it on that occasion, it’s not like I use it in every post I make.

            Maybe I am old fashioned but I don’t think women should be spoken to like that, online or offline, whether they are Chinese, Black, white or from Mars. You may not agree but I am sure my mum would be proud of me and that’s what matters to me.

            x

          • mr.wiener

            Fair enough.

          • Truth

            How do you know I’m not a woman? Ignoramus. You have no rights to decide which words are suitable for me anyway. You chose to because you wanted to, don’t try and dress it up as being noble lol.

          • twelve ways

            I don’t know anything about you but I would hope that a woman would not chastise another woman for being independent and for doing what she wants to do.

            It’s the 21st century, if a Chinese girl wants to go to bars and drink wine occasionally, like women are free to do all over the free world, then why shouldn’t she?

      • lonetrey / Dan

        Dude, I don’t see why you have to put her down for getting wine in bars. I have friends who do that too, and they’re neither pretentious nor trying to emulate anything at all.

        Some people just like wine better than beer and want to hang out with friends while enjoying what they drink rather than hold in their gagging.

        • Truth

          I take it back, you’re right that I don’t, probably shouldn’t do it, though I don’t think you can speak for why they do it either.

      • Riddler

        I simple resent the way you phrased that. But, you live up to your name. It is the truth. And the truth hurts.

    • Zappa Frank

      what is “white coffe”? do you mean that milk-coffee called improperly “latte”?

      • B*tches, Leave

        I like black … I mean “african-american” coffee –> americano

        • TheSOP

          ugh its such a bastardized process, the proper form is to brew it or french press it.

        • Riddler

          Excellent!

      • moop

        she might be referring to malaysian white coffee… its amazing, i dont drink coffee but i love malaysian white coffee, especially in ipoh

        • radbab

          Malaysian white coffee is great. I hate the Nescafe stuff, but I love white coffee. It’s really worth a try.

    • Kevin Yu

      Foreign brands do well in China, just because they are foreign.

      I know people selling their business-ideas just because of that. I worked for a company like that and know other companies.
      The foreign name/brand is what they sell. There are kindergardens, that just name themselves “american standard kindergarden”, which means nothing, but rich people send their kids there, because they think its better.

    • Costa coffee is in Nanjing, but I thought it expensive, at least in Shanghai.

      • Riddler

        Agreed, like 18 rmb for a can of COKE! That’s like one pound eighty pence!

        • That is scandalous. The haves and the have mores.

  • TheSOP

    What a bunch of victim complex non-sense, the CCP and their propaganda outlets will never pass an opportunity to stoke the constructed victim mentality of the Chinese masses… good sign that there is some backlash.

    First off it is very hard to find a decent cup of coffee in China, the place is a wasteland if you enjoy good coffee. Second if you’ve been to a Chinese Starbucks, people sit in there for hours, same thing in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. The cost is different because they have to provide the atmosphere and lower customer turn over. Finally with the ridiculous rents in China’s property bubble it adds substantially to operating costs.

    Go cry yourself a river CCTV most useless pseudo news channel on the planet.

    • Schulze

      I totally agree with u. The prices of electricity, tap water and gasoline are extremely high coz of governmental monopoly which would never been reported on CCTV.

    • linette lee

      EXactly, People go there to socialize and a romantic date. They will spend $$$ for a cup of cappuccino in paper cup. No one should be complaining. I love starbucks. Compare to other restaurants for coffee and cake, starbucks is still cheaper.

      • radbab

        You can get proper cups too at Starbucks, just tell them it’s not for take-away. They’re not like McDonalds where paper and plastic are the only options.

        But yes, it’s hard to find good coffee in China which is cheap. But I don’t think the party cares. They just found another way to rile up the masses against foreigners. In the past it used to be badly behaving individuals, now it’s badly behaving corporations. Who’ll be next? Apple was first. Now Starbucks. How about Ikea? Samsung? BMW?

        • If they target Ikea that would be madness. ALL the stuff is made in China, and it is cheap as chips, ice cream for 1 yuan and hot dog for 3 yuan, and even the stuff inside the sales section, 3 rmb for a coffee cup, or 15 rmb for 6 glasses, I’d love to see them go after IKEA, it would make no sense at all!

  • TheSOP

    Starbucks isnt too bad, have you ever gone to a Chinese restaurant, bar, or KTV and seen the price gauging there? $50 for a six pack of crap Chinese “beer”??? Ridiculous. But this is the Chinese communist party and their media lapdogs after all, they are always the victims of some foreign conspiracy, bunch of 6 year old crybabies.

    • Kevin Yu

      Not really, no. Last time I was in China was 2012 and even in the expensive restaurants I was invited as part of my work, the prices for drinks were really cheap to the point where its almost the same as buying it in a supermarket.

      In KTVs too in Beijing, I usually paid like 80-150RMB for 4-5 hours in a medium-size room with snacks. Drinks are a bit more expensive there, but still cheaper than in a restaurant here in Germany.

      I just think it depends where you live and maybe if you “live” in their culture. I saw a friend getting “scammed” almost every time he went eating or going to KTV, since he didnt know Chinese and went to random restaurants. Though I would never say its as bad as in Paris, where as a tourist, you normally cant even find a cheap restaurant/supermarket.

      Or am I missing your point and you mean Chinese Restaurants outside of China? Yeah, then I have to agree with you.

      • TheSOP

        I’ve only been to KTVs a few times over the years, and never for “extraneous” services. I’ve always felt the quality to price is very poor, and even compared to the Japanese experience which is usually cheaper than China. Of course this is my own gut feeling but having traveled widely throughout Asia I can say that China offers the worst price to service value of any country I’ve been too… yes even Starbucks is overpriced, but atleast the service and product is usually vastly superior to the local equivalent. In Korea, Japan, and especially the US you have far more quality options at a good price point. Just my honest opinion.

        • Probotector

          I think you make a good point. In China, good servis is giving you a cup of boiling water and saying “man zou” when you leave, yet a complaint is sen as a loss of face, particularly if it’s a foreigner doing the complaining. They just want your money and that’s it.

          • 二奶头发

            Well the boss makes the money and the server very little.

            So forget customer service.

            Plus the boss is so cheap he just gives you a cup of boiling water from the tap.

            So forget quality.

            But on a good note you can practice your chinese in one of those establishments.

      • donscarletti

        My French sucks, but consistently ate good steak every meal when I was in Paris since it was only like 8 euros a meal or something.

        My Chinese is good, but I have spent upwards of ¥6,000 for a KTV. This is more of a result of my boss suggesting that this might be an appropriate way to thank him for raising my monthly salary.

        There are some really expensive things in China. You can point the finger at foreign stuff, like when Häagen-Dazs first came to China they were charging ¥100 a cone because they could. However, in China, expensive means hundreds of thousands of yuan for dinner and that still means abalone, maotai, sharkfin and plenty of young women.

        • Kevin Yu

          Yeah. Its just. When you know how “China” works, its so easy to live cheap there. I never spend 6000RMB for a KTV. Never saw such an expensive KTV.

          If you dont wanna “show off” by inviting people to an expensive restaurant, just go to a normal one.

        • Bear

          If you think a good steak in Paris costs 8 euros I think you’ve never set foot in Paris or you don’t know what a good steak is. Fucking plebeian scum.

          A good steak in Paris costs at least 40 euros. If you get ripped off 6000 kuai at a ‘KTV’ then whose fault is it? Yours for being a moronic dumb cunt.

          • Riddler

            A good steak in paris for ‘at least 40’ euro? You must have eaten that steak in a chinese restaurant and got ripped off. You said something about being a moronic something, what was it again?

          • Bear

            I’m pretty sure you don’t know what a good steak is.

            Sure you can get a piece of shit at a brasserie for 10 euros, but don’t try to pretend it’s any good.

          • Riddler

            I didn’t claim anything. You did. I am merely pointing out that your erroneous claim of minimum 40 euros ‘at least’ is a bit off. Also why do you swear at people so much? No one swore at you. You have this anti-western streak about a mile thick. Rather racist of you don’t you think?

            Want to talk about it? Get it off your chest?

          • Bear

            The only racist people on here are the westerners who think it’s ok to talk shit about chinese people every single article.

          • mr.wiener

            We have racists here of all stripes and colours.

          • Probotector

            No, criticising China is not racist, you just think it is because you’re an idiot. However, calling people western dogs, guilao etc., like you have done, actually is racist. Now, are you actually Chinese, or an Asian nationalist living in the west, or just a white self-hater?

          • Bear

            Yeah I’m pretty sure saying that all Chinese do is spit, piss and shit everywhere is pretty racist. Like how saying all blacks do is steal, rape and be violent is pretty racist.

            But obviously you are not academically gifted enough to be able to see it, or you are just feigning ignorance because it suits your western interests to belittle the rising Chinese superpower.

          • Probotector

            Look up racism in a dictionary.

            “Yeah I’m pretty sure saying that all Chinese do is spit, piss and shit everywhere is pretty racist.”

            Whoever said that’s all Chinese people do? However, this behaviour is commonplace in China, and raising it as a problem is not racist. Only your insecurity would make you believe it is. Ironically, China (among other Fear Eastern nation) is one of the most racist nations in the world, and proudly so. Nevertheless, in a rather trite and cliched fashion, you still want to pin all racism in the world on the wicked white man.

            It seems like you have an obsession with China and its perceived status in this world. You also have a serious anger issue with anyone why doesn’t agree with you. Your presumptive attitude about others doesn’t help either: Decrying anyone who challenges you as ‘racist’ or ‘uneducated’ is a stupid and immature dismissal of an argument you obviously can’t refute. You don’t know what education the people on this forum have, but feel free to assume we are all ignorant. Enlighten us then, tell us how educated you are, if you’re so learned.

            In any case, you didn’t answer my queston:

            Are you actually Chinese, or an Asian nationalist living in the west, or just a white self-hater?

          • Riddler

            Rising superpower? Are you completely bereft of your senses? Superpower? Just over a week ago, the USA government shut down for a week or so, this had china buckling at the knees and shaking in its boots.

            Your commercials are funny too. Like that one about the A380, every metro line had that running on their screens to show you guys how amazing your government is, showing the building process of that amazing plane. All lovely, except it isn’t made by china, thank goodness, you guys just bought it and pretend you built it.

            Your funny space program. Sent a few spaceships and satellites up there. Wonderful! Now you are only around 50 years behind the west in technology. Rising superpower? How’s that? By copying everything?

            Manufacturing? Foreign factories are leaving, to Indonesia, Vietnam, Phillipines and etc. They are cheaper than china, GOOD quality production, they arrogant, they know how to do business.

            We don’t buy anything from china anymore, it is not good for trade. We do sell to china though. Great market. You are becoming consumers and in a major way. The beginning of the return to obscurity.

            You are aware of this. That is why EVERY, i mean EVERY person in china with the means, is leaving his country forever. And heading to the west. Why is that? Answer this. Why do you all head to our countries to settle permanently?

          • Kai

            Stop goading each other. Both of you are shamelessly exaggerating your “side” as better than it is and the other “side” as worse than it is in some insecurity-fueled obsession to establish pseudo-cultural superiority and inferiority. Nationalism isn’t just self-puffery, it’s also an incessant pattern of putting down other countries and people.

            “Bear” should not be responding to you any further (though he’s certainly trying). mr.weiner tried to warn him off a week ago by deleting his trolling comments and I just banned him yet again because like you, he has a penchant for disrespecting our comment policy, getting himself banned, and then dishonestly circumventing our moderation with a new identity in order to continue commenting. Despite your differences in position, you two are more alike than you are different in your behavior, and especially in your willingness to say intellectually dishonest nonsense in order get a rise out of each other.

            For example:

            By world consensus, yes, China is indeed a rising superpower. Not a single person or country who recognizes this is “bereft of their senses”. You know this but you wanted to be intentionally inflammatory.

            I’m not familiar with the commercial you’re referring to but I’m not aware of China pretending they built the A380. I have to wonder if you’ve misunderstood the commercial. Whatever it is, the fact is that there are tons of things in any country to be legitimately embarrassed about and laugh at. Rattling them off to put someone else down doesn’t reflect well on you.

            China’s space program’s accomplishments are certainly far behind that of the US or Russia or “the West” but it’s hardly the worst thing the country could be investing in. After all, it certainly didn’t stop the US when the Russian beat them to a whole host of space-related accomplishments. You risk suggesting that someone shouldn’t do something just because someone else did it first. Every single country has been guilty of copying technology, including countries like Japan and Korea whom you hold in much higher esteem now than China. Demonstrate that you know history and the human condition by not having such bald-faced double-standards in your contempt.

            There are certainly some shift in international manufacturing away from China to even lower-cost and often even less-regulated countries, and yet China is still the manufacturing leader in the world, able to manufacture at a mixture of scale, speed, and quality impossible in any other country thanks to its huge labor force and often still lousy labor practices that foreign companies arguably turn a blind eye to. This entire argument of “manufacturing is leaving China” is the counterpart to Bear gloating about economic woes in the West. Neither of you are being honest and purely motivated to “hurt each others feelings”.

            Your country buys a ton of stuff from China, even though it isn’t good for trade in many ways. You benefit and so does China. Why are you even making categorically false statements at all? Isn’t this yet another effort to hurt the other person’s feelings?

            Yes, a whole lot of Chinese people in China leave the country when they get a chance. People voting with their feet speaks volumes about how they view the current state of their country versus others in a wide variety of measurements like standard of living and economic opportunities. But so does Westerners coming to China. Do the two offset each other? No, but it does make it clear that it isn’t one-sided or unchanging.

            You are likewise aware of all of this. And yet you intentionally feign ignorance and make inflammatory counter-arguments. It isn’t as if your exaggerated, hyperbolic, distorted arguments don’t come from some legitimate point, it’s that you gleefully engage each other at the same level of insecurity masquerading as contempt. You say Bear started it and he says you did (both of you have gone through enough identities over the years). There’s always someone else to blame but you both contribute and feed each other bashing each other’s supposed societies of origin as if it makes one of you better than the other. There are ways to be critical of China without being so self-righteously flippant and dismissive, just like there are ways to do be critical of the West or whatever other country.

            @disqus_5xS38xIeTi:disqus No, he wasn’t banned for sock-puppetry. He was banned for trolling AND circumventing our moderation.

          • Probotector

            Well excuse me for not getting the terminology right. Should I go stand in the corner?

          • Cauffiel

            And think about what you’ve done.

          • Riddler

            ‘Should I go stand in the corner?’ LMAO!

            I’m already in the corner, move to the other side of the room! As Hardy said to Laurel, “Here’s another nice mess you’ve got me into”!

          • Kai

            You’ve misunderstood my inflection. I responded to you not because you got the terminology wrong but because the distinction between sock-puppetry and trolling is important. The former is someone using multiple aliases concurrently to dishonestly manipulate the popularity of their opinions. The other is because they’re intentionally and dishonestly provoking people for shits and giggles.

          • Probotector

            Wasn’t he using two different login names? “Bear” and “Golden Eagle”? Hence, sock puppetry?

          • Kai

            He started commenting as “GoldenEagle” AFTER he discovered his “Bear” account was moderated, so it wasn’t concurrent like in sock-puppetry where a single person pretends to be multiple people, but rather a way to circumvent being moderated. He wasn’t trying to pretend to be another person with GoldenEagle.

            So, to be clear, “Bear” was banned primarily for trolling. @mrwiener:disqus had deleted his trolling comments previously but he persisted, which resulted in this argument with you guys. The fact that the “Bear” account itself was also a new identity he used to circumvent past moderation doesn’t help his case. He then created the new identity and account of “GoldenEagle”. I banned this new account because although we’re lenient with letting people slink back with new identities, he’s not only clearly violating our comment policy here by circumventing moderation, he’s doing so with the intent to continue his trolling.

            Granted, he might argue that he was engaged in a legitimate argument with you guys and merely trading insults, but he sabotaged his credibility and used up any leniency with his trolling comments from last week.

            Unfortunately, he’ll very likely make new attempts in the future and unfortunately further, he is not the only person who repeatedly does this.

          • Riddler

            Kai, I promise to be careful. Really. You guys really are doing great not to mention difficult work. I’ll try to make a positive contribution and not be such a dick.

          • Probotector

            “Granted, he might argue that he was engaged in a legitimate argument with you guys and merely trading insults, but he sabotaged his credibility and used up any leniency with his trolling comments from last week.”

            It’s like taking points off of a driver’s license.

          • Riddler

            :-)

          • Riddler

            BWHAHAHAHAH! Couldn’t help it! HAHAHAHAH!

          • Probotector

            Well he seems to be splitting hairs and making things more complicated than they need to be in order to avoid admitting a mistake.

          • Riddler

            The thing is this, you got embroiled in this due to me, you saw something you felt was off and stood up for it. I say this, let’s just leave it and move on with the next topic and avoid getting caught up in this. We’ll end up getting banned, not that I give a crap but CS can be fun. But this at the moment is not entertaining at any level. We all know, as you pointed out, regarding ‘perspectives’. I for one, dislike being talked down to, no one would dare do that face to face, we all know this.

            Shall we just move on to the next article bro? i may go as far as saying please.

            Loved that ‘stand in the corner’ comment big time:-)

          • Probotector

            Why not? I’m actually finding things to talk about on these pop song articles!

          • Riddler

            See you there:-)

          • Riddler

            Just posted a reply, it appears ‘discus’ is playing up again.

          • Riddler

            So chinese people in western countries don’t talk shit about their host countries? Do you even KNOW what racism is? Do you? Read your posts. ‘white scum’ ‘western dogs’-that is racism.

            Your problem is, you are a spoilt little brat like most mini emperors in mainland who start throwing toys out of the pram when someone disagrees or criticises you.

            Go get your nappy changed.

          • Bear

            The spoiled brats are you westerners who for centuries have thought it was your divine right to enter foreign countries, order people around, belittle them and steal their property. Which you are still doing today.

            But now you are getting your panties in a twist because the Chinese aren’t going to let you screw them over any longer.

          • Probotector

            “…you westerners who for centuries have thought it was your divine right to enter foreign countries, order people around, belittle them and steal their property. Which you are still doing today.”

            …and China doesn’t?

            Tibet, Xinjiang, plundering resources in Africa, claiming southern pacific territories… come on, anyone?

          • Riddler

            I was just about to reply to you but Probotector got there first. Just to add though, we foreigners in china probably care more for your environment, country-shake our heads in complete and utter shock at what you have allowed yourselves to become. Your current society Sir, is a brutal one, where one cannot even offer assistance to someone involved in an accident for fear of false accusations. Which language are you speaking right now? How many lessons did you have to take to get here? Who taught you that language? Stop blaming the west and take a deep look at your foreign and domestic policy you blind fool.

            Spoilt brats? Heheh, that is a bit rich coming from you little emperor. We can get out pants in a twist because we put them on ourselves and don’t need someone to do it for us.

            Been to Xinjiang or should i say Occupied East Turkistan? Answer me on this now. What about the gold and oil your country is stealing from there? “aren’t going to let you screw them over any longer” It may be that your memories are about to be refreshed. Besides, china doesn’t need t be screwed over by any foreigner. Your corrupt officials are doing a fine job of that.

          • mr.wiener

            Bear is a serial troll and has been moderated and not by me. I trust this will scotch anymore stories about Kai being soft on Asian trolls and biased against westerners?
            Riddler, I’m getting sick of your shit. Straighten up and fly right or I will kick your arse out of here.

          • Riddler

            I apologise for having put you in the position to write that, i know it takes a lot to get you annoyed. I will try and behave and ignore Kai. Again, sorry Mr. Wiener, i say this sincerely Sir.

    • Bear

      Can you actually give evidence to your wild claims?
      Living in China for a few years, I’ve never seen anything close to 50 dollar beers even in the nicest restaurants.

      Stop fucking lying you western subhuman scum.

      • Riddler

        Calm yourself.

  • Jahar

    Isn’t this just basic economics? Little competition, high demand? I’m surprised it’s not more expensive. There is a tendency in China to believe that the more expensive it is, the better it is.

  • Zappa Frank

    but why drink starbucks coffee? it’ s not just expansive but also bad taste, their espresso is undrinkable, almost like pizzas in pizza hut,no wonder in italy we don’t have any of them. However, oddly, chinese love these copies, because in china it’s only a matter of brand, but i’ve had good espressos in china, far better than Starbucks and cheaper.

    • TheSOP

      Its all relative, lets be honest in most of Asia (outside Vietnam and Indonesia) and especially in China Starbucks is going to be vastly superior to any local brew by far. In Italy and in many parts of the US it is easy to find a better local brew often for a lower price and better atmosphere as well, not so in China in my experience.

      • Claude

        Every morning in Hanoi I’d go down to Hoan Kiem Lake and have a a coffee with sweet condensed milk and that drip filter on top. What a way to start a day. An autumn day in Hanoi, very memorable.

        • TheSOP

          Vietnamese coffee is amazing, I still have a drip filter. I drank it black and it was still delicious, if powerful. Hoan Kiem is quite nice as well but have to watch out for motor bikers driving like maniacs elsewhere in old town.

          • Claude

            I Love that city, it’s so charming. Coffee and pirated books. I read Mr Nice there. Had a near death experience crossing the road in Hanoi. One motor bike was so close it spun me round right into the path of another and he swerved just in time and I froze “OK, don’t move.. breath…. and cross.”
            Stayed in a old colonial hotel that was dirt cheap. I thought about staying and teaching but had too much going on in Tokyo.

          • vincent_t

            I hate that city and prefer Saigon instead. Had pretty bad experience in Hanoi, public manner was bad, a lot of scamming and shouting, and the morning propaganda that woke me up every morning. But that was 10 years ago. Things improved?

          • Claude

            I have to assume things have approved because my experience wasn’t like that. Sorry you had a bad time of it. Saigon was so damn hot I couldn’t enjoy myself and it was December/January; didn’t think it couldn’t get hotter than Bangkok. My instincts were to go north, ASAP.

        • That is interesting, almost poetic. The coffee, the lake, sounds nice.

    • DogDish

      And China loves copies

  • DogDish

    Firstly, the import costs for coffee here are ridiculous. Name one Chinese coffee shop that isn’t priced around the same or hell just look at the cost of coffee in the supermarket. Secondly haha now you know how it feels to have to pay the “foreigner” price.

  • markus peg

    Costa is the same, must be a real reason for it.

  • 山炮 ShanPao

    This is a great example of why I don’t post on here anymore. Why have none of the many comments which jumped to Starbucks side been published on here?
    Oh thats right… I remember. I’m off again, snore.

    (waiting for fauna to jump in and say only the ‘most popular’ comments are translated)

    • Claude

      Are you talking about the Chinese translations or our post? Ours? Because everything is posted here. There is almost no censorship or less a flame war breaks out and even then they are put on notice until the moderator has enough and has to block them.

      • 山炮 ShanPao

        I’m talking about the Chinese translations… they are carefully selected so as to take a particular stance, usually one which is likely to cause the biggest furore on here…. they DO NOT reflect the general consensus of what is being said online. As most of the readership seemingly don’t speak any Chinese, its quite easy to deceive them and also do them a massive disservice.

    • mr.wiener

      So you are posting on here to tell us why you don’t post on here……..ooook

      • 山炮 ShanPao

        yes, just as good a reason as any I suppose. Why does anyone post on here if not to express an opinion.

        • mr.wiener

          I still don’t understand what you are trying to opinion however.
          Are you saying that a majority of posts favorable of Starbucks have not been posted and that it is because of this bias that makes the the average Chinese netezin look like a whinny bitch you no longer dain to post here yourself?

          That wasn’t me who downvoted you by the way.

          “Why does anyone post on here if not to express an opinion.”[?]
          ……..I can think of a few other reasons unfortunately.

          • 山炮 ShanPao

            I’m not here to get into long dwindling arguments or pissing contests. Maybe the way I worded my comment gave you the wrong idea of my motivations. Just forget the fact that I mention I no longer comment here for the moment (its mainly because I used to comment here and some people might remember me) and forgive me if you think I was talking down to Chinasmack commentators.

            My comment was a quick and rash attempt to say there is a big difference between academia and ChinaSmack… whats posted here is done with bias and motivation to keep people coming back and bitching about China, Chinese people and being victimised as laowai. This is to say, the majority of Chinese comments on Sina right now, do not relflect the overwhelming amount of opinions above in the translated comments section, more so it reflects the opinion of the author. This is generally a common failing of all media – mainstream, underground, chinese, western or otherwise.

            I would just like to point that out.

            Too many people base their opinions of China on what they read on sites like this.

          • pookey

            at first i thought you were being too whiny. But actually, you make a good point there. For all we know, selective editing/selecting is used to create a non-balanced ‘viewpoint’ of Chinese netizens, in order to create more heated discussion and readership, thereby stimulating advertising revenue. That’s how many sites evolve.

            But i guess we need to take everything with a grain of salt and not be too serious about things because you don’t come to Chinasmack for standardized journalism, in my view it’s more of a fun site, to kill time reading wacky stuff and banter with others. If people are basing their opinion of China on stuff like this, then whatever. It’s the internet and far worse happens on sites everywhere.

          • Riddler

            Pookey? As in ‘do the right thing’ pookey? PUT SOME MORE MOZARELLA ON THAT MOTHER——-!

          • Kai

            1. Comparing academica to cS is probably somewhat misguided on your part. That said, I’ve seen a lot of questionable information and methodology presented in academia that isn’t particularly rigorous either. I’m not saying inadequacies in academia justify and excuse inadequacies with cS. I’m saying what’s important is an understanding of the methodology and its limitations. I’ll get back to that in a second.

            2. I personally thought there was an interesting diversity of comments and sentiments presented. I especially like how often comments online go off on tangents and involve so many other things.

            Even so, we’re talking about 40-50 comments out of a cited pool of like 60k comments. Certain things are going to be left out and this is inavoidable.

            3. On methodology, for SIna Weibo posts, I believe Fauna goes to the oldest comments and reads forward, selecting comments to translate. I know for a fact she doesn’t read all the tens of thousands of comments over thousands of pages before randomly sampling them. It just isn’t practical.

            Therefore, we can already assume that the selection of comments are biased to those who commented soon after the original Weibo post was broadcasted. This arguably reflects initial Chinese netizen reaction better than representing the most common sentiments throughout the entire pool of comments.

            In other words, the above translated opinions represent the opinions snapshotted in a specific time frame as posted on Sina Weibo after the cited post..rather than the opinion of the author (translator), Fauna.

            In fact, the above issue is not the only confounding factor when it comes to actual statistical rigor. Not only is Fauna inherently susceptible to subjective bias as the person selecting the comments, the Chinese netizens commenting themselves are self-selected. Any introduction to statistics course will yield a ton of questions and potential pitfalls for cS’s various selection methodlogies. Moreover, unless you’re claiming to have read all the comments on Sina related to this topic and have a rigorous sampling methodology to explain to us with a resulting data set to show us, you too are hampered by selection bias, by what sentiments happened to jump out at you and thus remained more memorable in your mind from which you made a conclusion about what opinions the comments on Sina reflect versus what the selection here reflect.

            The thing is, compromises have to be made for practicality, and I believe we’re honest about the limitations of how we do things. I don’t think we overpromise and underdeliver, at least not intentionally. We try to be transparent, always citing our sources so people can look through them themselves and corroborate what we’ve translated and having a FAQ entry dedicated specifically to this issue.

            4. We, not just I, do take issue with the accusation that we consciously select comments with biased motivation “to keep people coming back and bitching about China, Chinese people and being victimised as laowai.”.

            We do not.

            It’s not a new accusation however and you’re not the first person to accuse us of cherry-picking comments for shock value or sensationalism. However, an honest perusal of the sheer number and diversity of comments translated throughout our history should disabuse an objective, rational person that we’re cherry-picking any more consciously than we can avoid and in accordance with some coherent intellectually-dishonest agenda. Moreover, every translator for cS is explicitly instructed to avoid cherry-picking comments based on their own biases and opinions.

            Can they still be influenced by their biases and thus introduce bias into what they produce? Yes, absolutely, but I think your accusation is unfair, because you’re not asking about our selection methodlogies, with an intent to understand and bring up their limitations and pitfalls, but instead jumping to making accusations of intentional conscious bias springing from dishonest motivations.

            That’s not cool.

            We have too many posts that have nothing in them to encourage people to bitch about China, Chinese people, and being victimized as laowai. Of course, we’re very well aware of how common that phenomenon is in the comments here on cS. However, the commenters here are also self-selecting. The vast majority of cS visitors and readers don’t comment at all.

            Both Chinese and non-Chinese people participate in making and updating cS. Don’t mistake our shared interest in providing a glimpse of the Chinese internet as wanting people to bitch about China, its people, or the real or perceived injustices foreigners sometimes suffer in China. That’s you overweighting the comments on cS as the dominant opinions of cS readers and thus the type of opinions or readers we intentionally set out to attract.

            5. Yes, confounding factors in sampling is a common failing of all media. Thank you for acknowledging that.

            6. Yes, too many people base their opinions on China on what they read on sites like this, just as they base their opinions on anything on whatever they read. The consumption of information is an inavoidable substitute for personal observation and experience. We just hope people will realize it should actually be a “complement” and not a “substitute” and that they need to reconcile the information they read with the information they’re also reading but not remembering, what they’re actually experiencing first-hand, and with their general critical thinking faculties.

            It’s a hopeless battle with a substantial percentage of the population in a substantial percentage of situations but without hoping for this, we’d be morally paralyzed from sharing any information at all.

            7. I know this is a long response but I hope it helps you and other readers more fairly consider the accusations you’re making that we object to. Thank you for your time.

          • 山炮 ShanPao

            Well what can I say to that?

            I’m sorry you felt you had to go to all that trouble in writing such a response. However, no amount of pleading explanation can hide the facts… as a commentator on China, one would expect you would see this everyday, it doesn’t work. I’m not stupid, no need to try again.

            Facts are facts.

          • Riddler

            “I’m not here to get into long dwindling arguments…”

            Really?

  • Laoshu

    Mother China has become expensive.. I remember the good old times 10 years ago when a 6 pack and a cute snack would set you back 150 RMB…

  • B*tches, Leave

    I love Starbucks, so go fudge yourself, you cheap bastards …

  • I love Sexy Chinese girls

    I’ve been to startbucks once and had a cup of coffee. Nothing really special, I still prefer my 3 in 1 coffee.

    • Germandude

      3 in 1 coffee? Is that an Irish coffee with 3 shots?

      • radbab

        sounds like a cafe luz (any swiss people here?)

  • Warped0ne

    I always thought it was one of the cheaper places to have a cup of coffee, most Chinese places charged upwards of 25 or 30 yuan for a shitty 10 or 12 ounce cup of coffee where I could get a 16 ounce coffee of the week at Starbucks for 20. (prices may be higher now as I have not lived in China for over a year)

  • Pong Lenis

    Millions of Chinese which do not drink coffee anyway will now boycott Starbucks

  • Angie Mac

    Here’s an idea. Don’t go to Starbucks.

  • Kevin Yu

    Like some write in the comments. Everything brand-related is more expensive in China. Funny thing is, that even brands like Adidas or Nike are more expensive, even though a lot of these products come directly from China.

    Another thing I noticed is, that brand-shops like Jack&Jones, Adidas, Nike and such never have any sales. Like here in Germany if you go a shop, footlocker or such you almost always catch a sale-day. Midseason-sale, end of summer-sale, fall-sale or whatever. You can get hoodies, shirts and such for like 15-20€ from the old-collection.
    In China though I never saw a sale, besides on Sale in the Astro-Boy shop because of some 20 year anniversary. Shirts are like 50€, Hoodies are also about this price and dont get me started on shoes from the old collection.
    I mean you can get a Nike-shoe from the old collection for like 20-60€, depending on the model. In China it would still be about 100-120€.

    • radbab

      if they’re much cheaper for the local market some scalpers will buy all the stuff up and export it to the west, not leaving anything for the domestic market. And given what happens with the iPhones in Hong Kong this is surely an option.

      Other reason is that some products are re-imported on paper, as there may be special benefits for producing stuff for export. Good for the company, bad for the consumer.

  • Zebadee

    Only Starbucks? What about the hundred or so other foreign companies operating in China that are charging much higher prices than back home?

    • Kevin Yu

      I really wonder if Chinese know that? My gf was surprised when she saw the prices of brand-clothes here in Germany, especially during sales.
      I also know some people who buy gucci, prada, Armani things here, sell them to china, because they charge about double of the original-price.

      I even bought some CK-shoes for about 25€ here in Germany and in China they cost like 150€. I would guess that they are even cheaper in America. Chinese love their brands and they are willing to pay much for it.

      The only time it seems they dont like it is right now. The iPhone 5c is selling for 3200-3800RMB at mobile-phone shops right now, since no one wants that.

  • Kevin Yu

    Can anyone explain to me why bars in China cant really serve well-made cocktails? I went to a lot of bars at Houhai and some in Xian and I never had a well-made cocktail.
    They either taste too much like alcohol or taste bad in general. I mean they look good, but the taste quite often is not really good. And on top of that they are expensive.

    • Repatriated

      Rot-gut or even fake booze.

      • Kevin Yu

        But even with cheap booze I could make good-tasting cocktails. Just in almost all cases the cocktails itself tasted more like pure alcohol. I mean even in a Zombie, that has a strong alcoholic taste, you can taste the juice and other parts.

        In the chinese cocktails I had though, you couldnt really taste those.

  • Guest

    What a load of rubbish, I seen plenty of Chinese own coffee shops trying to sell coffee at more than 30 rmb to people.

    I been in plenty of Chinese own shops trying to sell me stuff at inflated prices.

  • chandlerpatrick

    Give me a Tim Hortons any day… Yes the prices at Starbucks are expensive, and the reason for that is because Chinese people think it’s “cool” and “trendy” to sit inside Starbucks playing on a laptop, thinking just how important and afluent they are, because they go to Starbucks. Coffee is mediocre at best, but Chinese people don’t know good coffee anyways… They just want to be SEEN inside a Starbucks… Fuck em. You know, remember the day when coffee was just coffee? It seems that Starbucks has everything but REGULAR COFFEE (They have it, but it’s called “Americano”). Starbucks is like a magnet for douchebags. Everytime I’ve gone there, I’d be like “A large coffee please…wait, you don’t have that, I’ll take a grande Americano”… Either way, I just bring back a few tins of Tim Hortons each time, and have my coffee at home and in office…

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I hear the best tasting coffee is the kind that shits out of the butt hole of some exotic animal. (monkey or jungle cat?)

    • Riddler

      Bit of a connoisseur are ya?

  • That chick is kinda hot…. #sexynerd

  • Alan Dale Brown

    When my Chinese co-workers come to the US, they like to buy up tons of brand-name clothes to bring back – most of which is made in China. It’s much cheaper for them that way, in spite of the fact it’s shipped halfway around the world and back. I have to imagine it’s taxes, or something like that (dumping?) Pricing in China is screwy.

  • Cv

    Come on, starbucks rips everyone off. Even this goes on in USA charging more money for a cup of coffee. Starbucks is happy to be in China, cheap labor dont have to pay USA taxes and perks to employees so i am not surprised they look a China as a gold mine. But i do have to say the starbucks in China are pretty nice so Chinese love to spent there money there so do teachers working in China, so they are ripping us off too? You want good things in China they are going to be more exspensive even if its a cup of coffee.

  • maybeabanana

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Caffeinated_spiderwebs_modified.jpg

    Good. Pay more for a bunch of trendy peeps to go awry like the spider above.
    Starbucks isn’t bad when it’s not loaded with sugar in all their specialty drinks. But the prices are a bit high and I rather an expresso from the Belgium cafe shops or the little niche coffee shops here in the states that can cost less and taste better.
    Had my coffee this morning… I really should quit…

  • Stefan Xu

    Starbucks and western brands are more expensive in China because they are considered more luxurious and up-market. And Chinese prefer western brands over Chinese brands so they don’t mind paying more for it anyways. Urban Chinese are quite rich anyways.

    • hess

      “Urban Chinese are quite rich anyways.” eh, yeah the 1% are rich, the rest arnt

      • Stefan Xu

        I didn’t meant stinking rich, I meant middle class rich like in developed countries.

        • hess

          You mean about 30k SEK a month? Thats more than 98% of the people make in china

          • Stefan Xu

            People in developed countries make 20-25k. Urban Chinese excluding migrant workers make 15-20k a month, in first tier cities they more than 20k comparable with developed countries. But the price range is lower for most things so their disposable income isn’t so much lower than developed countries.

          • hess

            bull fucking shit, 15-20k is an extremely high salary in china and the vast majority makes nothing close to that. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/world/asia/survey-in-china-shows-wide-income-gap.html?_r=0 The average income in Shanghai 2012 was 29000rmb, ANNUAL. Youre just pulling numbers out of your ass

          • Stefan Xu

            Those numbers are including migrant workers which of course earn about 3-4k a month in Shanghai. But about 9 million of the 23 million residents are locals and are permanent residents. The Shanghainese earn up the 15k-20k range. I lived there and that’s what people themselves told me and I also asked around when meeting people about their salaries.

          • hess

            http://www.clb.org.hk/en/content/wages-and-disposable-income-china-increase-about-ten-percent-2012 here you go again. ” I lived there and that’s what people themselves told me and I also asked around when meeting people about their salaries.” If I’d ask the people i meet (friends and coworkers) the average salary in Sweden would be about 50k SEK a month, which its not. Just because a few people told you it was 15-20k doesnt mean its true, sure theres people making that much, but the majority dont.

          • Stefan Xu

            Do you know what Hukou is? It’s like a internal passport or citizenship which gives you right for healthcare, education, etc. in the city. These are the permanent residents. In Shanghai the 9 million permanent resident Shanghainese of 23 million population usually do high-income jobs in offices and foreign companies. That’s why they earn much, it’s the common knowledge that they earn 15-20k a month. The rest 14 million migrant workers are low class citizens living without rights. They do the manual low-income jobs and only earn 2-4k a month. They are not Shanghainese.

          • Germandude

            When I ask my staff what their salary expectation for next year is, they often tell me a number between 15-25k. When I ask them what justifies this expectation of a quite high salary increase, they often tell me: “I want to earn as much as XXX XX” (another colleague).
            Problem with that is that I know the salaries of pretty much all the workers in my team…

            15-25k monthly salary is paid to pretty experienced staff that has been working with the company for several years. (Managers of course easily get more, but then again, 1 manager for approx. 10-15 workers). And I also know that our company is pretty generous with salaries, as we can easily hire staff from competitors, while hardly ever, one of our staff is leaving us for a competitor, unless being fired…

            PS: Downtown Shanghai salary.

        • Riddler

          Stinking rich is rather appropriate, not metaphorically either.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    A Benz E-Class in USA is about $60k, in China it is doubled.
    So where’s the FUCKIN OUTRAGE on that?

    • radbab

      don’t worry, they’ll be the next target ;) The party is going to deal with all those foreign evil doers *cough* one at a time…or until they get bored and start bashing the japanese again.

    • Kai

      Weren’t there just recently mainstream Chinese media reports about luxury brand car manufacturers making too much money off Chinese buyers?

      CCTV sometimes gets more shit than it deserves. Or at least inaccurate shit. CCTV does target Chinese brands too for these sort of “public interest expose” stories. It’s just people take those for granted and forget them because it’s easier (and often very arguably true) that CCTV is just anti-foreign.

      • Riddler

        “Weren’t there just recently mainstream Chinese media reports about luxury brand car manufacturers making too much money off Chinese buyers?”

        Uh no. It is taken in tax by the lovely party. Any idea how much those lovely people spend on imported cars a year?

        10 Billion USD.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17284862

        http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20130805000005&cid=1102

        • Kai
          • Riddler

            What do you have to say about the commie party leaders wasting 10 billion usd on foreign cars? And the ridiculous tax levy which they also collect and line their pockets with?

            Any comment on that? Oh and please try to keep it short.

          • Kai

            I think in many cases it’s clear evidence of government corruption and/or wasteful spending.

            As for taxes, every country has the right to levy the taxes they want and suffer the market consequences for it. China is hardly the only country with such taxes so most complaints are based in the self-interests of the parties involved. If businesses don’t want to line the pockets of the Chinese government, they can refuse to do business with the Chinese government.

            It’s disappointing that you’ve abandoned your previous identity yet still habor a grudge against me for disagreeing with you in the past. Whatever happened to showing us proof that the chinaSMACK website is hacking your computer?

          • Riddler

            If you are in Shanghai then let’s meet up and I’ll show you. But you won’t do that will you? You DO take things rather personally don’t you, for a moderator. I changed my username, is it a crime? I think i made it obvious that I had done that.

            Why don’t you do your job and moderate ‘Bear’ who is swearing blind calling people ‘cunt’ which I thought was an ‘off’ word. You say I hold a grudge? Tsk tsk tsk. Less of the intellectual masturbation and premature ejaculation Kai.

            Now since swearing is ok, let me ask you nicely to piss off.

          • Kai

            No, I won’t, because I don’t care to meet you. You’ve repeatedly shown me that you’re an unpleasant and dishonest person. However, I do care to point out that you’re making false accusations. There’s no reason why a digital security firm wouldn’t provide such so-called proof in a digital format that you could easiler share with the rest of the commenters here you want to convince and thus substantiate your false accusation.

            As a moderator, I don’t like what is essentially the same group of individuals repeatedly using dishonest methods in their commenting on this website. I am tasked with managing it. I never said changing your username is a crime. We let people do that as long as they don’t use multiple aliases simultaneously and if they don’t do it too often. For the record, no, you didn’t make it obvious that you had done that. Was there an announcement you made somewhere? If so, please link me.

            Not sure why you think swearing by itself is against the rules since you’re familiar with our comment policy.

            Your comments evidence you hold a grudge. I was just stating my observation.

            Edit: Holy mother of god, I’m not necessarily able to reply to you the very moment after you post a comment. My life is not dedicated to you. Calm down.

          • Riddler

            You speak with a parochial attitude with a fondness of cliches of formal language. “YOU HAVE SHOWN BE REPEATEDLY…”

            Get over yourself dude, this isn’t the Financial Times.

            Dishonest? Where the fuck did you get that from?

            Unpleasant? Read eattot or bears comments? Go and moderate a chinese person for once.

            Moron.

          • Kai

            You dislike my language. I dislike yours. We’re even.

            I got dishonest from, for example, your repeated false accusations about our website hacking your computer, about me deleting your replies, and about your commenting behavior.

            I find a lot of people comments and people unpleasant. I don’t moderate them just for unpleasantness but according to our comment policy. In fact, it was I who moderated eattot last time, as well as most past Chinese commenters who violated our comment policy.

          • Riddler

            I don’t dislike your language. I dislike your attitude. You dislike my attitude. NOW we are even.

            You ‘got’ dishonest from? Anyway Kai, let’s move on from this because neither one of us is going to concede.

            Sorry for calling you a moron by the way. Public apology which I don’t need to make but i have. I’m moving to the most recent story. Later.

          • Kai

            Yes, you’re right, my mistake, we dislike each others’ attitudes.

          • Riddler

            Oh wait, does that mean we are friends now? This is my most recent post. I think the time delays are causing more problems. I am off for that blow job, when she is done, i will come back and see if we are cool. OK?

            Once again, apologies. We started out well, i am sure we can return to civility, i don’t like you enough to be friends:-)

            Have a good day.

          • Kai

            I’m responding to your comments as Disqus notifies me of them in what I believe to be the order you made them. This too is my most recent post but I’ve just been responding to your previous posts retracting your apology and calling me more names.

          • Riddler

            “Your comments evidence you hold a grudge”

            You call this good English? Anyway, it’s futile trying to get a message across to you. Let’s see you do your job instead of getting personal with people.

          • Kai

            If you really don’t see how you’re being dishonest, please note that you replied to me in this conversation, and got in my face in this reply after I merely linked to what I was referring to in my initial reply to YourSupremeCommander, as if you were about to triumphantly prove something about me while making a snide criticism about my personal proclivity for writing lengthy comments.

            I hope you recognize that you first made this personal when all I did was point out that there was outrage about the price of cars in China.

          • Riddler

            What’s wrong Kai, don’t want to post my reply?

          • Riddler

            So, you aren’t going to allow my reply? I’m waiting Kai.

          • Riddler

            So as a moderator, you get personal with people and block their replies when it gets to hot for you. What’s the matter Kai? Where’s my reply? Why have you deleted and blocked my other replies? Be a man.

          • Riddler

            Is this how much of a man you are? Posting a one way comment and don’t post my reply? Feel tough do we?

    • Riddler

      Easy, easy, calm down, put down the knife and take the bullets out of the gun.

      There is no outrage for the simple reason I outlined in my previous comment. It stimulates peoples egos.

  • Riddler

    Expensive because it stimulates the egos of the new money locals.

  • Karze

    The price of each and every items is different in different country. People in Asia pay more for petrol and also for many other electronics etc.

    Only reason is Chinese official want to target Starbucks for not giving free coffee ot bribes.

  • linette lee

    I don’t drink coffee. But bubble tea is expensive too. So you coffee folks with latte this and chino that shouldn’t complain. The bubble tea can cost you usd$2.75 to $5 dollar each. Depends what you put in. But they are worth it.
    A large cup of HK milk tea without bubbles it’s like usd$2.50 for take out. In cafe will cost you more. Good tea and bad tea don’t taste the same. I would not drink milk tea from Mcdonalds.

    http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/34/bc/2d/gong-cha-signature-milk.jpg

    http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6234/6360622525_1e3926d79e_z.jpg

    • 二奶头发

      I like the chinese name for bubble tea better (珍珠奶茶) pearl tea. It sounds fancier. Bubble tea sound like they blew bubbles in your milk tea before giving it to you.

      • linette lee

        I used to call it pearl milk tea 珍珠奶茶 when I was in HK. Then the usa folks called it bubble tea. I don’t know why. The correct translation should be pearl milk tea. Maybe I should write to the USA branch. lol.

        • What are those pearl things made of again? some kind of jelly?

          • linette lee

            They say it’s tapioca. I guess it’s the same thing they used in tapioca pudding except the ones inside the pearl tea are larger. oh..I also like the Chinese coconut tapioca drink or pudding. The warm mango tapioca pudding is so good too. But unfortunately not all tapioca pudding taste the same. Not all restaurant know to make them good. Most of them make them taste shxtty. :(

          • vincent_t

            the best pearl is made of sago, instead of tapioca. Anyway, i don’t drink those, the powder that they use to make the drink look a little fluorescent and scary.

          • Thanks. And sorry to hear that. Yes warm tapioca pudding is nice.

        • Cauffiel

          I wonder what kind of other crazy translations we get in the U.S. All kinds of bad translations here!

          1. Jack Daniels is liquor, not wine!
          2. You don’t want to “play” with your boyfriend, you want to hang out with him! (And probably play with him, I guess.)
          3. “How tall are you?” “190cm” “Oh, I know.” “Then why the fuck did you ask me?”
          4. “Yes, they are lovers.” “If they’re only lovers, why are they having dinner with each other’s parents?”
          5. “Teacher never lets us do homework.” “You mean you really want to have homework, and he won’t allow it?”
          6. “Oh, I am so boring right now!”

          And a lot more…! It sucks so bad they are taught incorrectly for so long.

          • Kai

            1, 2, 4. These are all probably just Chinese people using too literal Chinese-to-English translations within their humble English language abilities. We all know words can have multiple meanings and it can be hard to have perfect one-to-one translations.

            3. Not sure what they might’ve said in Chinese that you understood as “Oh, I know”. I suspect it isn’t as strange as you interpreted it to be.

            5. Er? Was the original sarcasm?

            6. Yeah, I just recently explained why “无聊” shouldn’t be translated into “boring” in English to a native Chinese person. Same as 1, 2, and 4.

            Learning a language is pretty hard. Personally, I think it’s admirable enough that they’re even willing to try expressing themselves in English when so many others would refuse to try for fear of embarrassing themselves. It does result in some unintentional hilarity though.

          • Cauffiel

            I wouldn’t call it “humble abilities.” I think its just that most books and translators out there are full of bad English. Its just as difficult to learn incorrect language as it is to learn correct language, so I don’t think it has to do with ability.

            The examples were generic, not actual verbatim conversations. The swearing isn’t aggressive, its meant to sound emphatic.

            #3: To confirm understanding, Chinese respond to their answered questions with “zhi dao.” They then translate this directly to “I know.” If you reply to an answered question with “I know” that implies you already knew the answer before you asked.

            I’ve had so many instances trying to use Chinese I learned from a book when I go out, and no one knows what the hell I’m saying. So I’ll run it by a Chinese friend and she’ll tell me “yeah, no one says that. You should say….”

          • Kai

            I’m not sure. It’s increasingly easy to learn incorrect language just like learning incorrect information, especially with the internet, with machine translations and with people easily passing on what they know even if it might be wrong.

            #3, Really? I can’t really think of local Chinese saying “zhi dao” when simply answering questions. I wonder if it might be a regional thing? The best I can imagine is that it is a phrase to indicate confirmation of hearing/listening, kinda like “uh huh” but yeah, translating it directly to “I know” presents a whole different meaning for English speakers.

            Haha, yeah, a lot of the Chinese taught in books are outdated or otherwise not colloquial.

          • Cauffiel

            #3: Yes, thats what I said: “Zhi dao” means “uh huh, got it.” It’s not a regional thing, I’ve taught in Hubei, Liaoning, and Guangdong…. its universal. I can’t think of any examples of the top of my head, but I’ve translated a number of English phrases to Chinese in the past and people have no idea what I’m talking about.

            Even new books are awful. I really have no idea what the losers authoring these books are thinking when they write it. I know there are variations in language depending on what English speaking country one comes from, but I have found many things that my British and Australian colleagues also disagreed with. Its a crapshoot.

            Even if someone writes a stellar book with interesting and engaging activities and lessons, there’s no way to make grumpy, stubborn school administrators pay any mind… I think they just want the cheapest books possible.

          • Riddler

            What i find interesting, is that you and kai have the same diction. Almost as though the same person is posting under different names.

          • Cauffiel

            Yeah, I noticed, Kai sometimes repeats exactly what I say in different words.

          • Cauffiel

            Oh, and… #5… They should say “The teacher never makes us do homework.” I’ve heard students say “lets” many, many times, so I can tell they were taught incorrectly. I try give them examples to explain that “lets” means “allow” which implies its something you *want* to do. Sometimes they get it; its one of those things that comes up in the course of a lesson, so it becomes a sidebar, and those are sometimes harder to learn because its not part of larger lesson.

          • Probotector

            He’s trolling you because he’s an Asian nationalist.

          • Cauffiel

            So he is from the country Asia?

          • Probotector

            Asian-American, I guess Chinese descent.

          • Kai

            Ah, it’s the 让 problem. Yeah, it most commonly gets translated into “lets” but in that sentence, it should be “makes”.

          • Probotector

            No why.

          • Are number 3 and 6, really bad translations? Seems more like incorrect grammar or poor usage of vocabulary, but I am no cunning linguist, guffaw guffaw

          • Cauffiel

            Bad translations and incorrect instruction. They learn it wrong, and its very difficult to change them after that. I’ve had 2 students in the past 3 years tell me that I was wrong because their high school teacher taught them something different… so there’s that element at work too.

          • Like those annoying grammar questions. Problem is, not sure what else to do at my age. Just to share something personal, my hometown in the UK has NOTHING going on, unemployment is at a record all time high, my brother is advising me to stay put in Asia and ride it out.

          • Cauffiel

            My brother told me to pile up as much RMB as possible in anticipation of Obama-led devaluation due to rabid money printing to pay for his Third Worldization of the United States.

          • Probably not a bad idea. London is being heavily invested in by the chinese, and now RMB-Euro swapping is going on. Look into it in Hong Kong.

          • Cauffiel

            If Chinese students were taught correct English… they still wouldn’t be very good on average (because most don’t try or care), but they’d be a hell of a lot better.

          • True.

            I find the girls try harder, has that been your experience?

          • Cauffiel

            They tend to try harder, and also tend to learn faster. Women everywhere are better at learning language than men, I think.

          • Indeed. Trying to find an article about cognitive or language learning skills in women. I also tend to find the boys in china are only interested in basketball mostly.

          • Cauffiel

            And video games, and…. not girls.

          • Hahaha, yeah that is about right.

        • Kai

          As a long-time pearl-tea drinker, “bubble tea” may conceiveably come from the fact that the pearls look like bubbles or it could have evolved from “boba”, which is what the drinks were originally most commonly known as from Taiwan. “Boba” means “big boobies”. While I’m sure “pearl” was always around, I feel it was always the less common, “official”, and of course more PC way of referring to the drink where it was most popular.

      • Cauffiel

        Bubble tea sounds like a fun day in the park blowing bubbles when you were 7 years old!!

        Pearl tea sounds like someone dafeijied on your chest and neck in the park when you were 17 years old!!

      • moop

        isnt that stuff supposed to reduce your sperm count?

        • Riddler

          Hey, where you been man? Haven’t seen you hereabouts for a while.

          • moop

            busy, just got back from APEC recently. who’s riddler? what is your old name?

    • Cauffiel

      You just made me want some milk tea.

  • Nicola Collina

    also ikea is more expensive…check on website from chinese to other languages.. (i compared with italy. and italy had VAT at 21% when i checked..)
    Anyway Italy is starbucks free country (thanks god…)

    • Germandude

      Yeah, good so. Italian food and coffee/esspresso are awesome. Italy has the best food culture on earth if you ask me.

  • Beijinger

    it’s because chinks are stupid.

  • maybeabanana

    Hm… now I wonder…with all this smog in Harbin… does the price of coffee drop by location?

    On a side note: Hey Chinasmack… control your ads, it has just redirected me to some shitpage.

    • Kai

      Please email us with what page redirected you, what page you were redirected to, and anything else you can tell us about the specific circumstances in which this happened.

      Our ad server runs a tight ship so malware and ads that do dishonest things like redirecting users usually gets flagged and automaticaly disabled regardless of what advertiser or ad network it comes from. Of course, nothing is 100% fool-proof so if you can give us more information, we at least have a place to start investigating. For example, I haven’t experienced any redirection on cS nor have we received heard any other complaints, but this is definitely something we don’t want happening on cS.

      • maybeabanana

        Ironically, it was this page once I’ve clicked the link from Chinasmack.com….
        Looking a little into this, I have had reputable sites like Slashdot redirect me and these are the only 2 instances. I am thinking its on my end. Time to reinstall. On the other hand.. sorry I couldn’t tell you what ad since I have flash and an bunch of other things disabled. It’s time to browse using linux for me. Chrome/firefox are my main browser as if that helps and many have reported that both browsers have had hijacks along the way.

        • Linux is the way to go man, and install adblock edge or plus into firefox, also perhaps http://disconnect.me

        • Kai

          Yeah, it’s possible it could be on your end, like malware, but if it is possible on our end, please let us know what you can. For example, I would’ve asked the following questions to investigate:

          So you were on the homepage and when you clicked the link to go to this article, you were then redirected to another site in the same tab/window?

          Did this article load or begin to load at all before you were redirected or did clicking the link to this article on the homepage immediately take you to another site?

          How did you get to our homepage in the first place? Did you enter the URL itself in a fresh browser window/tab or did you click some link from some other site to our homepage?

          • maybeabanana

            So you were on the homepage and when you clicked the link to go to this article, you were then redirected to another site in the same tab/window? YES.

            Did this article load or begin to load at all before you were redirected or did clicking the link to this article on the homepage immediately take you to another site?

            I believe it started to load /lag and redirected in the same tab to the suspicious page. And lastly, I have chinasmack.com bookmarked.

          • Kai

            If it happens again, hopefully you can get a screenshot and URL of the suspicious page. It’ll at least give us some more information to work with. Cheers.

          • maybeabanana

            Haha hopefully not.. I have just did a fresh reinstall of windoX. If it happens in the linux mint distro, I’ll let you know.

          • Cauffiel

            Well, that’s service with a smile!

  • wha–

    Instead of reporting on life’s necessities, they mobilize their worldwide journalists and resources to report on coffee.

    this.

  • 永坚 梅

    Starbucks injustice more than Häagen-Dazs,Lol.
    Häagen-Dazs’s sale price in china regularly keep 50 yuan up. in people’s mind it is a luxury brand.
    but in its home US. it is very normal brand. (FKC & mcdonalds crying T.T same person different life)

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