Chinese Welders Live the Good Life in Australia, Reactions

Chai Qingyun showing off photos of his son's house in Austraila.

From Phoenix Online:

Dozens of Welders in Shandong Emigrate to Australia: 20-30K Monthly Pay, Live in 200㎡ Homes

Original title: Farmers “Working Overseas” Receive Green Cards, Live in Big Houses

–Using welding skills to go to Australia, 25 families with over 100 people from one village have settled overseas.

A 20,000-30,000 yuan monthly income, living in houses over 200㎡, with rolling grass and fresh clean air outside, and high quality education and medical care… A life that even urban white collars dare not think about, enjoyed by over 20 families and over 100 people from the Houchu village of Xiaoli town in Jinan city’s Changqing district, except it’s not in China, but instead Australia.

Relying on their superior welding skills, young men from 25 families of this 201 household village went to Australia to “work overseas”, and have received green cards.

Working in a shipyard and overtime on the weekends, one can make 20,000-30,000 yuan a month

60-year-old Houchu Village resident Wang Jinming looks at a stack of photos of his son’s family of four everyday. It has already been a year since they’ve seen their grandson and granddaughter.

Wang Jinming’s son, the 36-year-old Wang Zhaosheng, and his family are currently living in Australia. According to Wang Jinming, after his son worked in China as a welder for over 10 years, he went to Perth, Australia in 2006 through a labor intermediary agency and did electric welding in a shipyard. His son’s wife and his grandson also went along.

The life in a foreign country is completely differently from here. Wang Zhaosheng works 38 hours a week according to regulations, makes 36 yuan per hour. And he always works overtime on weekends, and the pay is 1.5x more than usual. “Foreigners are lazy, they don’t work on weekends but drive cars to play at the beach. Us Chinese people love money, so we work overtime on weekends whenever we can,” Wang Jinming says.

By this account, Wang Zhaosheng’s weekly pay is about 1,700 AUD, and after deducting 30% tax, he can still make more than 3,000 AUD each month, which is over 20,000 yuan in RMB.

After two years abroad, Wang Zhaosheng and his family received green cards, took out a loan and purchased a 450,000 AUD house. It’s 220㎡ larger, with a 760㎡ yard where they grow flowers and grass, and even some vegetables. In 2011, Whang Zhaosheng and his wife had a daughter, who obtained Australian citizenship as soon as she was born.

Wang Zhaosheng’s wife used to work in a vegetable factory’s cold storage, but hasn’t been working ever since their little daughter was born. When she gave birth, not only did she not have to pay for her hospital stay, the local government even subsidized her 5,000 AUD. Their family has two cars, a Toyota and a Honda, that he and his wife drive respectively. The Honda is a used car, and a total of 7,000 AUD was spent, which is more than 40,000 yuan when converted to RMB.

After settling down in Australia, Wang Zhaosheng sends money back to his family in China from time to time. With the money, the family home has been renovated beautifully, with all the necessary furniture and household appliances.

19 families live in one community, forming “Little Houchu Village” in Australia

There are a total of 25 families from Houchu Village that work and have settled down in Australia like Wang Zhaosheng. They all arrived in Australia through the export of labor, and gained a firm foothold relying on their superior skills.

The wave of going abroad started with villager Yin Fagang. In 2005, when he was working in a shipyard in Shenzhen, he learned some good skills. Clients came to inspect several times, and while other people’s work wouldn’t pass, his work was excellent every time. This attracted the attention of a foreign employee of the company. He told Yin Fagang: ”Go to Australia, you can make more money there than in China. With your skills, there’s no problem.”

Yin Fagang decided to give it a try. He asked two young fellow villagers who worked in Shenzhen as welders to go with him together. But back then, the various expenses of going abroad added up to 120,000 yuan to go abroad, which is no small number. The two fellow villagers backed down, but Yin Fagang borrowed money from his relatives, and asked for a loan from the bank, gathered 120,000 yuan and gave it to the intermediary/agent.

One year later, Yin Fagang arrived in Melbourne, Australia. 3 years later, he bought a big house in Melbourne, and had a son with Australian citizenship.

With the first person’s success in something that had never been tried before, the other villagers could no longer sit still. Yin Fagang’s mother says that many young people who have gone abroad all went through the intermediary agent handled Yin Fagang’s paperwork, went to the same training school that Yin Fagang attended to study English, and then then went to Australia as husband and wife.

Over the past 7 to 8 years, Houchu Village, which has 201 families in total, has had 25 young men go to Australia for work one after another. Of them, 19 live in a community in Perth, everyone within than than 10 kilometers of distance from one another. Villagers joke that there is a “Little Houchu Village” in Australia.

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Comments from Phoenix Online:

凤凰网陕西省西安市网友 gonobs:

The moon in a foreign country is simply rounder [things are simply better abroad], even China’s peasant farmers know this, so stop kidding yourselves, that China is still better, that it is uniquely remarkable? Bah!

凤凰网北京市网友 凤凰网友:

Workers [there] have received true respect and the treatment they deserve.

凤凰网重庆市网友 凤凰网友:

This embodies the intrinsic value of skilled worker immigration.

凤凰网北京市网友 手机用户:

Fellow workers: There are more guarantees/security in going abroad than staying!

凤凰网浙江省宁波市网友 沙骆驼:

Those of us who can’t emigrate can only dream our Chinese Dream!

凤凰网安徽省铜陵市网友 六月的雪3721:

If you have the skills, don’t stay here and let yourself suffer. Go abroad, where you can better demonstrate your value.

凤凰网湖南省长沙市网友 长沙刘志方:

People of other countries emigrate in pursuit of wealth, while Chinese people emigrate to protect/preserve their wealth. And of course, also freedom!

凤凰网新浪微博网友 钟钟大于天O_o:

Find a boyfriend and settle down in Australia!

凤凰网新浪微博网友 小兔逃跑:

Is it too late to enroll ourselves in Lan Xiang [a vocational school in Shandong Province]?

凤凰网新浪微博网友 懵女蓉蓉:

Completely rooting for them. It’ll be better if they all leave.

From QQ:

Jinan Welder Emigrates to Australia, Father Shows Off Photos of Luxurious House

Chai Qingyun showing off photos of his son's house in Austraila.

August 2, after just coming back from visiting family in Australia, villagers Chai Qingyun of Jinan Changqing District Xiaoli Town Sijie Village and his wife treated their neighbors with Australian candy. Picture is of Chai Qingyun holding photos of a “luxurious house” his son owns in Australia, telling his neighbors about his experience visiting his family in Australia.

Young villagers are learning welding skills.

According to Sijie Village [Party] Secretary Zhang Guoming, there are villagers from dozens of families of Sijie Village and Houchu Village who own “luxurious houses” in Australia like Chai Qingyun’s son. They work in Australia relying on their superior welding skills, and have received Australian “green cards” one after another. Some villagers even have children in Australia. This picture is of young men of Jinan Changqing District Xiaoli Town Sijie Village working hard learning welding skills, striving to go to Australia for work.

hai Qingyun and his wife are treating their neighbors with Australian candy.

Zhang Guoming says with a smile on his faces that in the past, children always returned to visit their parents, but now it’s the parents who are invited by their children to enjoy a happy life in Australia. Picture is of Chai Qingyun and his wife treating their neighbors with Australian candy.

Li Kaihai is looking at a photo of his son and grandchildren.

When Li Kaihai misses his son’s family, he looks at a photo of his son and grandchildren on his mobile phone.

Li Kaihai is holding his Australian grandson Mike’s photo.

Li Kaihai hold’s a photo of his Australian grandson Mike and says: It’s not as good [a name] as the Chinese name “Long Long” I gave him.

Chai Hongyuan can’t help beaming when shows off the photo of his Australian grandson.

Chai Hongyuan can’t help but beam when showing off photos of his Australian grandson, telling his neighbors about his experience visiting his family in Australia.

A villager is having a video chat with her family in Australia.

A villager having a video chat with her family in Australia.

Chai Hongyuan is pointing out on the map of the Australian city in which his son lives.

Chai Hongyuan pointing out the Australian city his son lives in on the map.

Comments from QQ:

腾讯洛阳市网友 梦里浮华:

It doesn’t matter where you are, as long as you yourself are living well, then that’s all that matters.
Behind all the glamour, there’s bitterness you can’t see [similar to there being hardship behind success]. Those smack-talkers who have seized the chance to talk smack [referring to comments criticizing Chinese people for emigrating abroad likening it to betrayal or arrogance], look closely, “with superior skills” one can go to Australia. When you have the time, go learn something. Talking smack about country and countrymen here is useless.

腾讯辽宁省网友 fuzzy: (responding to above)

I’m a welder with very superior skills in our Kingdom…and I can’t even afford to be a mortgage slave at this point…

腾讯网友 岁月无声: (responding to above)

If you don’t strive when you’re young, you’ll be doomed to stay in the mainland forever.

腾讯芜湖市网友 大象很大口: (responding to 梦里浮华)

LZ is a 2B. Only those who with superior ability [talent] can go to Australia, but didn’t he [Chai Qingyun’s son] also have superior ability before going abroad? So why did he go there? [This person is changing “skill” to “ability” and suggesting that if the person had superior abilities, why couldn’t he succeed in China and had to instead go abroad.]

腾讯网友 緈鍢:

In China, it’s good enough just to get paid after welding yourself to death [a life of work], but a luxurious house? Even after several generations of welders have died, [the family will] still be living in a shack.

腾讯芜湖市网友 大象很大□: (responding to above)

Capitalist countries even deprive people the right to spend money to see a doctor? Now this is going too far.

腾讯网友 完美的结局:

In Australia, welders can afford luxurious houses. Here, can a welder afford one after a lifetime of working? We also want to be patriotic, but when comparing the same work in foreign countries… I want to loudly state that my desire to go abroad doesn’t mean I’m not patriotic. Money can’t do everything, but nothing is possible without money, so I love money more.

腾讯肇庆市网友 文:

The national conditions are different, so don’t be envious. You should know that going abroad isn’t such an easy thing to do, even [getting] the visa alone can kill you [be extremely difficult]. Besides, they [emigrated welders] weren’t poor when they were in China. They have houses and cars in a foreign country, but the luxurious house he [Chai Qingyun] talked about is in fact a single family house. Such a house is not called a luxurious house in Australia, it’s only an ordinary residence. It’s because the proportion of land relative to the population isn’t the same as the Heavenly Kingdom. It’s just like if you go to the countryside right now and purchased a piece land and built a house. Just 100,000+ yuan is enough to decorate/furnish it very well. It’s the same thing. So there’s no need to cry foul. Look at the location he [Chai Qingyun] pointed at is the western part of Australia, not the eastern part. Do you know where is the economic center of Australia? The housing prices in Sydney is also very expensive, can suffocate you. And one more thing, we are under great pressure right now. Why do our people go abroad? Firstly it’s because our national policy. Secondly it’s because of all kinds of [negative] social phenomena, [the society] is ill. Thirdly, our country doesn’t have systematic social insurance. All these have incited an extreme panic with us [society]. It’s not us common people who are to be blamed. You can’t blame the heaven, neither can you blame hell.

腾讯常州市网友 马文才:

Those who do not love their country should fuck off as soon as possible, and never come back!!! And take me with you when you go.

腾讯网友 品质装饰-单成:

When I was little I had many dreams. Now my only dream is to emigrate…

腾讯网友 痴情何寄:

Happy smiles appear on the family members of those welders who have gone abroad. Seems like Australia really is a place where you can rely on your skills [own labor] to make a living!

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  • twelve ways

    “Those who do not love their country should fuck off as soon as possible, and never come back!!! And take me with you when you go.”

    I liked this one

    • Germandude

      Ups, you already pointed that out I see.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Haha. I was about to quote the same guy.

      When reading it, I was about to get angry. Then when I read to the end, I ended up laughing instead.

    • wing chun

      Australia is one of the most racist and corrupt countries on this planet.i am planning to move out asap and leave these racists behind.

      • mr.wiener

        Good luck, but I sense many disappointments in your future.

      • Dom

        Have no idea where that comes from. As an Aussie I have tons of foreign friends and they love living here. I find the ones who have these kinda ideas don’t take the time to get out and meet people.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        that’s probably because you’re an ugly nonchalant looking fuck

  • MrT

    No mention of all those that end up in gang slavery

    • mr.wiener

      likely you mean the boat people. The snake heads have them in debt [and their families] for the rest of their lives. These guys have it good though. Skills migration program like an electricial, plumber, nurse , doctor or some of higher order technical jobs are a passport to the good life.

      • MrT

        totally, but these kind of stories feed the boat people trade under the belief they will get lucky also.

        • wallimo

          who cares about boat people, the whole issue is blown out of proportion to the actual reality. Let the boat people in and send the dole bludgers too Afghanistan.

          The Australian government is ridiculous my family get 200 bucks a fortnight from the government for nothing… I didn’t even ask for it they just put it in to my wife’s account. Supposedly a carbon tax offset and a family tax benefit. Not saying i don’t appreciate there generosity but if 1 million people get the same thing it cascades.

          • RocKStaR

            Well its designed so people below a threshold don’t have to pay the carbon tax and a government contribution for your child’s school fees, uniforms etc. So you have already paid money for the carbon tax so its more of a reimbursement and the government have a stake in your child’s schooling so it’s in their interest for them to be well prepared.

          • wallimo

            well besides the fact that my child is 7 months old, so isn’t in school, You are talking about a different benefit. The benefit is a pay off from politicians to keep them in power. You can’t have you cake and eat it too in this world. The carbon tax is very intangible to the individual there is no way of knowing whether you pay it or not.

            Anyway Australia has become a welfare state the government supports millions of people who in a country like say China would of have died by now. They are capable of taking care of themselves just too lazy to do so. I am not saying people with genuine needs should be abandoned, but we need to stop giving people a hand out and start giving them a hand up.

          • Baphomet

            but we need to stop giving people a hand out and start giving them a hand up.

            Sounds a bit thatcherite or David Cameron for my liking? You see they had this thing called the new deal in the UK, it did not work. Most just went to do the required work to get their dole, when it ended, they were still on the dole. This notion that all the poor need to do is get off their lazy arses to improve their lot is nonsense. REAL jobs, and not being told my some smug jobcentre officer, that someone who has studied at university or been a skilled steel worker, should flip burgers at mcdonalds or lose their welfare! END OF STORY BODY!!!!

          • wallimo

            Yea if there is a job for them no matter what the job why wouldn’t you take it? You are actually telling me there is more dignity in taking a handout from the government and doing nothing then flipping burgers at mcdonalds? Sorry but welfare should only be used as a temporary measure, but now too often there are people on welfare from cradle to the grave. It’s a privilege not a right, why should tax payers (like me) pay for people who have ‘too much dignity’ to work at mcdonalds?

            I am a manager of a motel and we often accommodate homeless families (emergency accommodation), now if you are homeless, charities will pay for somewhere to stay for you and give you food etc, help you by providing a bond loan and providing enough rent money for you to get somewhere to live. All you have too do is get a job. Yet time after time I see people who are in a bad situation, yet they have money for booze money for smokes and money for fast food (pizza usually) Funnily we had a refugee family stay for a few days, they were clean cut well mannered cooked for themselves kept there space tidy and were actually looking to get out of the welfare cycle to begin there lives. Yet the Australians (sometimes with 5 or 6 kids) just kept drinking smoking and eating junk, they didn’t give a shit about there lives or there children’s lives happy to take the handout.

            Some people on welfare may be hard workers who can’t find a job that suits them but I think a lot could actually work but choose not too. There is no shame at flipping burgers at mcdonalds.

          • Baphomet

            You are actually telling me there is more dignity in taking a handout from the government and doing nothing then flipping burgers at mcdonalds?

            If you are a skilled worker, then yes. Sorry but someone who programmed computers or worked in electronics, should not have to flip burgers for some arrogant know all young mcdonalds manager. If I ever had to go back to the UK, I’d rather be homeless and get welfare than work in such a job., Pride comes before a paycheck body!!!!!

          • wallimo

            Lol I assume you have never been on welfare or been homeless otherwise you’d have a different attitude.

            Maybe I’m wrong but in my opinion the most degrading thing would be to stand in line for 3 hours to report to a case manager and tell them you couldn’t find work every two weeks, then head to a cardboard box under a bridge because you didn’t want a mcdonalds manager telling you to flip the burgers faster.

            Only a person who’s never been homeless would think it is more desirable then being gainfully employed.

          • Baphomet

            I have been on welfare, many times, and been homeless. Slept at motorway service stations, parks, you name it, a friends car, numerous sofas. Depends on your presonal definition of “Degrading”? I find it degrading to work for some snotty nosed arrogant manager which is a crap job, much like a DOS of some training centre in China, or a pizza hut worker, I’d rather not sell my soul thanks very much, call me arrogant or stubborn, but Pride comes before a paycheck!!! And if you paid in before, it is your entitlement as a native born citizen in the UK, ergo, one should feel no shame!! End of story, post your right wing nonsense again, and I shall not be as polite!!!!

          • biggj

            That’s just crazy talk. So degrading for you is not sleeping a abandoned car or under a train bridge or on a park bench…It’s working at pizza hut?If you were really prood you would strive to do better than that job…not do worse..that’s just being lazy/stubborn. If pride comes before a paycheck than why take money from the government? Everyone pays into EI benefits. It’s like insurance. It’s there in case you ever really need it. I don’t get my insurance money back every year for my car if I don’t smash it up.

            I have 10000x more respect for a guy working a mcdonalds or pizza hut than I go the guy sleeping on a bunch. If he is retarded or had one arm then I let that pass….but if he only there because he don’t want to work? That’s the lowest you can get. That’ the bottom rung man.

          • RocKStaR

            Regarding the carbon tax everything would be done with averages which is fair enough considering the cost of actually knowing how much each person spent into it. Personally I would rather it spent on solutions.

            Regarding the family tax benefit outside of giving kids a better chance to succeed by having the necessary tools for their education I completely agree. Australia has got to the point where people want to have every luxury and make as little sacrifice for them as possible and if they can’t do this with what they are making they winge to politicians who in turn give middle class welfare wasting money better spent on infrastructure.

            While giving people the basics to survive and succeed (shelter, food and education) may seem like a hand out to some I believe it is a “fair go”. This is necessary for people to get back on their feet rather then fall into the pit of homelessness which makes it very difficult to get employed.

          • Kudos to you sir! I can’t imagine the amount of people that confuse humanitarin charity with taxation and handouts to equality for all. This is why socialism has conditioned China to doing “good”, and keep your head down for the good of all. When in reality, it brings everyone down except a few exploits at the top.

          • wallimo

            I suppose you would happily accept my tax dollars as ‘charity’? If I choose to give to charity that is my business, but tax is not an option. I have to hope that the people who are allocating the dollars I worked hard for can distribute it in a way that will help me and my family. After all I actually worked for it. I personally think there are more important things my money should be spent, such as infrastructure hospitals schools better public transport etc etc. Not subsidizing someone who chooses not to work. Bringing in the few at the top is the typical excuse of the ‘downtrodden’ (who for no other reason then can’t be bothered to retrain/find work, live off me and all the other gainfully employed people in society) excluding people who so obviously need support (disabled people the elderly etc.) If you have been on welfare for more than 6 months and the only reason you can’t work is because you don’t like the job you should be taken off it. Can’t find a job?? Bullshit don’t want to take a job sounds more like it. I lived in China for 6 years and I returned to Australia and within 2 weeks I’d found a job. It’s not that hard. By the way I’ve hired long term unemployed before (the government provides substantial subsidies, if they can stay in the job for 3 – 6 months. You know they never get to that point? why because being on the dole is easier than having to get off your ass an do a job that isn’t glamorous. They try for a few weeks than they start calling in sick over and over again.

          • maja

            I think that a properly managed welfare could give opportunties to a lot of people I know. Taking jobs where you can work some year and then you’re done because someone younger comes in, that’s not something that will bring you anywhere. I know so many people who don’t have access to education and/or loans to start an activity and are forced to pass trough an endless list of such “careers”… someone will ALWAYS come in after you, it doesn’t matter if you’re serious about it or not, exploiting new recruitement wages or tax advantages for employing currently unemployed people are always the determining factor. Some of my friends are even hired from the same companies all over again once they figure again as unemployed after being “declined” after a while…

            I’ve never been to Australia, but not everywhere in the world is the same. Still, money for free is never a good thing…

          • Dude, you are preaching to the choir.

        • mr.wiener

          Apparently all que jumpers will now be sent to New Guinea to be made into hors d’oeuvres by the locals.

      • Baphomet

        There is huge and annoying irony to all of this. I have a mate back in the UK, exceptionally clever, phD to his name, the pisser is….he is in debt, and has not a pot to piss in, for all his academic achievements, yet he is a lecturer at a college with ties to cambridge. After paying his loans, and because his credit rating is shot he cannot buy a house, he is stuck with renting and being skint, a damned college lecturer. How can a bleeding manual worker be better off in a western country than a professor?

        • Germandude

          My answer would be: Demand and supply?

          • Baphomet

            I personally would not work as a welder, seems a crap job to me. But each to their own, I am lazy and so working in China suits just fine, had enough of breaking my back for the corporate crappy west!!! End of story!

          • Powerlurker

            Welding is usually solid but unspectacular work. However, if you’re either really good (i.e. can do perfect welds underwater) or are willing to work in the middle of nowhere (the north slope of Alaska or western North Dakota) you can make bank.

          • Baphomet

            It still sounds to me too much like “Work”, and something I’d rather not break my back doing. Now a comfortable chair in a classroom and getting 6,000 rmb for 16 classes a week in the PRC, that is the easy life, and far better than loafing on the dole back home!

        • biggj

          They never told you??? Get a trade. Welder, plumber, electrician, truck driver something like that. Shit, I only have my grade 12 and make over 100,000k a year, I have lots of training and safety courses and shit though. I’m not stupid. Maybe not the brightest when it comes to book smarts….But my life smarts is top notch. Just look and see where high paying jobs are in demand….get the training…and do it. Welding is a great example. They can’t even fill all the spots for welders….they need so many of them. In western countries university is not always the best bet…with everyone so educated nobody want to do labor jobs. And when there is a shortage of labor, the wage goes up. And with too many educated people that means those jobs are not in demand.

          • mr.wiener

            ’tis true, If I had my time again I’d say fuck university, get an apprenticeship as a plumber.

          • maja

            I tried to do it after leaving high school. The funny thing is… I could not find an apprenticeship and had to go back doing my exam and enroll in university. And once I was there any paper I turned in was “very good, I’ll read it next time, top scores, next!”.

  • Kita

    36 yuan/hr is $6/hr which is less than half of Australia’s minimum wage ($16/hr). It’s not really fair in terms of Australian standards but it’s still worth it for Chinese works.

    • About 5 yrs ago, I sat in an economics socialogy class at SunYatSen uni. The professor described what middle class is to the Chinese people as “good enough” for prosperity and happiness.

      • today

        Isnt it.
        What needs aren’t being fulfilled?
        -is there war?
        -lack of food/ water/ clothing ?
        My cousins in China go to watch the movies every now and then and live a simple happy life, whilst others are like i need to go to America or I need to go to Australia and work their butts off or marry someone they don’t love to get a visa. That’s happiness isn’t it?

        • I think you have a misunderstanding of people’s needs and wants. Maybe you as a devoted countrymen should open their eyes if the country isn’t eating its own people (the group that gets taken advantage the most, the sheep that just wants to make a living with their phones and clothes and foods without wanting to do anything to change their country but complains how corrupt and how much injustice there are.)

          Part of the problem:

          -Most people are hopeless in the sense that they realize there’s a problem in their country yet they don’t do anything about it. (Chinese traditional mindset as I was taught as a kid, keep your head down and mind your own business.)

          -Overpopulation, a strain on resources, work availability, and greed will lead to people taking advantage of their own. It’s not a war with guns but a war within the classes. That will always be there as the condition of dense people squeezed into an area without enough resources.

          You said, “..to break the poverty cycle people need to work hard.” If you meant that ironically, then you are saying China doesn’t need to work hard be happy to be thumbed under cheap labor so that they continue being herded and be content.

          • today

            well do you care to elaborate on how I’ve misunderstood people’s needs and wants?

            Well you do tend to be hopeless when you “realize there’s a problem in their country” yet don’t go into any specifics, way to solve the problem.
            Overpopulation. Isnt that what most developed countries in the world are facing. Class war, Marx said that 200 years ago, care to elaborate on solutions?
            Well as you’ve pointed out all these problems but NO solutions. So please tell me what to do other than being content. Man I’m against China implementing changes but your argument just seemed like you supported complacency among the populace.

          • Omg. I don’t know how the hell you got so bent and twisted in my words. Look, you never agreed with most of what I say, what makes you think you will take some diddly’s random internet dribbles for reasonable cause and then insult it. YOU sir, are the one who supports complacency to which I have said is sheep thing to do.

            One solution I can think of is for the people to go in revolution. Overthrown all the govt officials, and establish a new group despite what it can be or cannot be in the future. Still water is never as good as running water.

          • That is not a solution for class war which is why it has not been resolve because Class war is the nature of the people with interest to consume with greed and the drive of envy. Every thing will be stagnant if everybody is prosperous and harmonious without the need to trot over others to gain more wealth and power. Don’t be naive to think there is a solution to humanity’s evil but… do think about how little things can make a difference for the better in case of China. Stagnation of the current situation may not be the best.

    • maja

      well, the numbers are a bit strange… 传说.

      “By this account, Wang Zhaosheng’s weekly pay is about 1,700 AUD,
      and after deducting 30% tax, he can still make more than 3,000 AUD each
      month, which is over 20,000 yuan in RMB.”

      1,700 x 4 = 6800 AUD -30% 4760 AUD, I guess the rest is going on a retirement fund? also, 3000 AUD is more like 16500 yuan.

      “Wang Zhaosheng works 38 hours a week according to regulations, makes 36 yuan per hour. And he always works overtime on weekends, and the pay is 1.5x more than usual.”

      (38 x 36) + (16 x 54) = 2232 yuan per week, which is something more then 400 AUD a week…

  • mr.wiener

    Good on them. Australia needs people who want to come and work hard.

    • biggj

      Yeah, It’s nice to see skilled people doing well for themselves. And really they could be getting paid much more. 30,000 RMB a month is not that much for welder. I mean is shit ton better then what you get in china.

  • kkw

    The 2013 Human Development Report by the United Nations Development Program was released on March 14, 2013, and calculates HDI values based on estimates for 2012. Below is the list of the “very high human development” countries:

    1. Norway 0.955
    2. Australia 0.938

    • Germandude

      Not sure, but it seems incomplete.

  • cloud9

    3000 AUD/ month!!! Not much by Australian Standards.

    • Archie

      Yeah, they’re getting rorted! And what the fuck is an Australian green card?!

  • biggj

    I work with a chinese welder in northern Alberta. He came to Canada 5 or 6 years ago. And he makes almost as much as the oil guys do. There are all different kinds of job in an oil patch..like welders, electricians, cooks, maids, medics, and the oil workers. And I would say out of them welder comes in second. Tom has worked with us since he came and he started out at 37 or 38 dollars an hour. That was 5 years ogo and we all get raises every year. I don’t know exactly what he gets paid now but its around 60 to 65 dollars and hour. And we get the best benefit package you can imagine. We are in middle of nowhere….but we don’t have to pay for anything which is a nice perk. Like housing and food and maid service is all done for you. You just have to work. And you share a room with another person, and its 12 on 12 off. SO when your room mate is working, you have the room to yourself and the other way around. The job is not easy though. The location sucks. It’s cold as fuck all the time. Can’t smoke weed or drink. You can smoke cigs and only in a special area and only after your shift is done But you get 4 to 5 months off a year. And when you are off you get to draw max unemployment benefits. The job is not fun….but it pays like mother fucker. I’ve been doing it since I was 21 and I just turned 30. I’m going to do it until i’m 40 and then I’m done. But the chinese guy Tom is raking in some nice money. And bought a house in B.C somewhere and live pretty good.

    But in northern Canada starting out welding without any work experience you get paid 30-40 an hour. And if you are good they will pay you more than that. Any community collage teaches welding. It’s 2 year course and not that expensive to take.

    • It’s nice perks to be in such a field. I’ve known similar people that work 6/12s, work 6-7 month of the year making over 3 figures and takes the rest of the year off traveling. But they constantly live in mobile homes, they mostly looked unhealthily fat. They also have a nice home thay they never sleep in and am constantly buying cars for their grandkids.

      I have mixed opinions on this kind of life style and it’s not for every body especially with people who misconstrues money to life.

      • biggj

        Yeah, it’s different way to work. I have a house and all kind of things in my home town but yeah I am only there certain times of the year. This year I stayed there. But It’s more of a home base and I rent it to family when im not there to look after everything. I just want to travel when im young and not old. Like I see these old geezers doing doing all of their traveling when they are 65+. To me that’s too old to really enjoy it. When I’m that age I want to just live in my home town and do some fishing and boating and thing like that.

        But yeah half the year im not home and live in the middle of no where. I do enjoy watching Edmonton Oilers games. My job is 3 weeks on 1 week off….So I work 21 days straight and have a week off that I usually spend in Edmonton. So I get to watching some hockey games and have some fun.

        But I prefer it this way. I don’t have kids so it’s not bad. And my wife is back and forth from china and stays with me in Edmonton on my weeks off. So it’s not bad. Traveling is the biggest perk. I can spend half the year going anywhere I want.

        I do gain weight when I’m home but loose it all when I work. SO it evens out.

        But all and all I like this way. I can work really hard for a short amount of time and make lots of money and enjoy a lot of free time. Time is a big factor. Important to have free time. Very nice feeling know you don’t have to work for months…but then the first 2 or 3 weeks back to work is fucking hell….pure hell…have to get back in the routine.

        • Baphomet

          All very interesting and I keep hearing of these mythical jobs in Canada that chinese are getting. I have a UK passport, I’d even sweep floors (lots of cleaning experience). So, the ball is in your court, so to speak?

          • biggj

            Actually, not a lot of chinese do jobs like this. Most are white guys. The maids and cooks are filipino at most oil camps. And they get paid pretty good like around 20$ an hour. But the high paying jobs are all done by white people. My boss will not hire Arabs…. period. We have Tom”chinese” he does some welding and there are 2 black derek hands. And everyone else are white country boys. Most of the place are the same.

            It’s not so much what you do…it’s where you do it. Like a welder in a city might get maybe 25$ an hour. But in the middle of fuck all no where you get paid double. And if it has anything to do with oil….you get top dollar. You say you are good at cleaning, go work at a place where I work. You get free room and board, free food and the pay is not bad. Guys do that job too….mind you most as Filipinos, but they are pretty good bunch. All you do is wash cloths, change bed sheets, and just tidy up around the place. I’m sure it’s more work than teaching chinamen to speak English…and more hours….I guess it’s better to teach english than do that. lol

          • Did you mentioned the mandatory travel perks with paid airfare around the world? ..
            One of my coworkers lived in a secured camp with everything provided but he can’t leave camp for his work duration due to politics and the army of gun bandits.$$$$

            But like you said to each and their own.

            Side note, oil riggs in Aus is demanding therefore it pays well. My former employer is one of them sucking up the cash cow.

          • biggj

            I don’t get free around the world airfare. I get 4 domestic flights a year from Edmonton. And if the road is too fucked to travel on a helicopter picks us up and bring us to Edmonton.

            Gun Bandits? Oh shit, I don’t have to worry about that. I just have to worry about not freezing to death. lol Some days goes down like -35 or -40’c without the wind chill.

            Yeah, it’s good money. And without wasting time in university to boot. You need to keep getting all kinds of shit renewed and tickets and certificates and training, but that is all paid for by the company and it’s fun too because you go with your crew. So you spend like a weekend with your buddies drinking and writing test in some random town. lol

          • Think hot hot Africa and the middle east…worst off than Aus.

          • Beelzebub

            Not afraid of the work, although perhaps it would be a bit of an initial shock after the cushy lifestyle in China?! Got any email/website links to apply to?

          • biggj

            You can’t come to Canada and work. You don’t have any skills they need.

        • A superintendent once asked if I wanted to be a welder. I LOLed. Just because I look 100lbs and can crawl with my harness on doesn’t mean I’m tough.

      • lacompacida

        But retiring at 40 ?

        • If one is frugal and suck up that OT. I guess biggj has it stacking in the bank :p.

        • mr.wiener

          Do not retire. It is the leading cause of early death.

    • Powerlurker

      I had a friend who made out like a bandit in the oil business. He was a petroleum engineer working one(month)-on/one(month)-off of 12 hour days in Kazakhstan. While he was over there he got paid extra and his company paid for his apartment in the states while he was gone. Meanwhile, there’s nothing to spend your money on while you’re over there because you’re in the middle of nowhere and they take care of your housing and food. After a few years of that, he’d saved up enough money to pay cash for his MBA and masters in engineering.

  • markus peg

    A nice story with surprisingly nice comments to go with it.
    I’m glad life is going well for them and that they appreciate the rewards that can be gained by being in Australia. (That’s not to say that China doesn’t have rewards)

    Although this story has worked out nicely for this village that doesn’t mean it will work out for others who try and work/live overseas, every country and job has its challenges. Even for foreigners working in China as most of us on China smack know.

    • radbab

      yup. one of the better Chinasmack stories after some of the depressing stuff of the last weeks.

      • Robert Rou

        Honestly, Chinasmack is a massive cesspool of negativity and bullshit. How they don’t moderate this shit is inexcusable. Yes we all love free speech, but the same people are here shit-talk day after day, regardless of the story.

        • POS

          Have you ever visited the cesspool internet in China, people celebrating every tragedy in America (remember how many posts on Sina celebrating the Boston bombing, utterly disgusting). Look in the mirror, its 100x worse than anything here. But self reflection isn’t a strong point of inferiority complex sufferers I’m afraid.

        • mr.wiener

          Read the rules.

          • biggj

            First rule of Chinasmack: Nobody talks about chinasmack.

          • Beelzebub

            Second rule: YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT CHINASMACK!!!

        • today

          I agree. Wonder if these people actually look at world news. If there was a fuck up scale of countries, I would argue China would be above average. Its sad that the world nowadays is so preoccupied with negativity.

  • biggj

    “Foreigners are lazy, they don’t work on weekends but drive cars
    to play at the beach. Us Chinese people love money, so we work overtime
    on weekends whenever we can,” Says this guys dad….. That’s a load of shit….Like chinese work weekends when they don’t have to.Especially when they are making Iphones or some shit. Anyone making good money does not mind working. No matter who they are. The less you get paid…the less you want to work. Money = motivation. For black yellow white or green people…it doesn’t matter who.

    • Wololoo

      Money = Motivation is a really primitive view. There are several studies that show, that intrinsic motivation is the strongest of all. Of course, people first need to fullfill the lower steps of the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, but in normal countries this is no problem wih that. In China, u can’t even have the second step fulfilled, which is security.

      • biggj

        Well money is my motivation. In my mind it goes like this. Money=have what I want, do what I want. I can’t have what I want or do what I want with no money which makes me unhappy. So money is what I need. The more I get paid, the more I want to work. And making good money makes a shitty job seem not so bad. Trust me if you were getting paid 200$ an hour to shovel shit you would work all the overtime you could. Happiness to me is doing and having what I want…..And I need as much money as I can for that.

        • Wololoo

          I mean, money is not bad, but for me it is nothing, if I have to do a shitty job for it. Luckily I am an engineer and I love my job, which also gives me also a really good salary and low living costs (expat job in China). The only thing, which is not so pleasant is the air quality, which makes me sick sometimes (of course I get fully paid when I am sick). 30 day/ year paid vacation, extra vacation money (1 monthly salary), christmas money + general bonus (1 monthly salary) + personal bonus.

          Can’t complain (just about those shitty Chinese people here in China).

          • You arn’t by any chance working on the AP1000’s in China? I’m taking a bad stab but I am curious on what type of project you are working on.

          • biggj

            I don’t hate my job…it’s just I get cabin fever. That is why I watch so many movies and play computer games. I can’t drink, smoke, or get high so I have to do something when I’m there. And it’s long hours. But the people I work with are cool and makes the time a lot better. The work is not so bad. But I can’t say I love it. But I do love the 5 months off to do whatever I want. That my love for the job. High pay with lots of time for myself.

            Oh and the food is great. It’s buffet style made by a real chef. And it all you can eat. That a plus. And it’s not cheap shit either.

          • Wololoo

            Ah, you are the one on the oil rig. Do you at least have prostitutes or real women there?

          • biggj

            Actually, the house keepers and cooks fuck the oil drillers sometime. It’s the guys usually who offer them money and they take it. None of the girls I work with are that hot. Most are short and fat. I’ll jerk off when I feel the need. haha I’m not paying to fuck a fat filipino or some raggedy ass woman. What kind of woman do you think go and work at places like this?? hahahah But usually by the end of my 3rd week some are looking kind cute to me…that’s a bad thing. Then i get back to civilization and snap out of it.haha

          • Butsu

            To my ears it sounds really sweet. I can’t even decide what path to take in life anymore.

          • maja

            Yep, with safe employment + 5 months off, money is the only other big requirement I would think of too. The group helps too.

          • biggj

            Yeah some guys get pretty down though. Mainly the ones with kids. They have to go along time without seeing their kids and wifes. It’s best for single guys. I have a wife but I don’t mind it so much. It’s kind if healthy actually. I just can’t see her 3 weeks at a time…that’s not bad.

          • maja

            just ’cause I’m curious, can you have your holidays at the same time?
            as for the kids… I consider myself lucky not to have any yet (going on like this I’ll be too old before even considering…).

          • biggj

            The only holiday you get off is Christmas. but there is no personal holiday. Like we work 3 weeks on 1 week off. So lets say after my week off I get sick…well then I loose my ride to camp and most likely get fired. Unless you are like really sick…i mean like coughing up blood and passing out and shit…then you might get a day to rest…but being sick is not really an option..just work through it. There is no time for personal holidays or anything. And you can’t pick when you want off. It’s already set up. At year round operations you get good holidays. But my job you don’t. I get enough time off when the job is done.

          • maja

            ok, that’s interesting. It could be unconvenient to say the least, I remember working with an high fever working in Egypt for a while. In the end I was fine, but if you have a tight schedule I guess it can be messy…

            What I meant to ask was: can you and your wife have your time off both at the same time, like can she have holidays while you have your 5 months off? I think that would be important… but it’s more about your personal situation then about your job :P

          • biggj

            She is around too much as it is. haha Her job is around 85% online She just has to make sure everything runs smooth and can be done all computer. She has to make trips to china sometime but other then that. It’s all online. She works for a trading in canada that deals with china.

          • maja

            方便。。。

          • If I had 5 months off (is that 5 months off at once?) I would definitely consider a job I hate but that pays a lot of money. However, I didn’t grow up rich or anything, never really had a lot of money, so not having buckets of cash isn’t a big deal to me. I’m more of the “do what you love and you never work a day in your life” kind of guy, and there’s nothing I love than being out in nature.

          • biggj

            Yeah is 5 months in a row. You can only work where we work when the ground if frozen. When it thaws out we stop. There no way to get things in or out. Ground is too soft. Depends where you work. Like there are regulation to keep the land untouched as possible.Same as forestry….they onyl work in the winter on crown land. Further south they do it all year, they get less pay though.

          • Oh, you must work way up north. (obvious, I guess)
            Some kind of mining/drilling operation?

          • biggj

            Yeah oil drilling. Also the oil sands are big up there too. The more remote location you are, the more you get paid.

          • Are you the person I go to to chant and wave my organic hippie hemp-made signs at about the pipeline or what? haha
            Working out in a remote area is already a bonus. I love that stuff

          • biggj

            Yeah, I like that too. Even though it’s cool it is nice.

          • I worked a summer out in the little town of Naknek on a small salmon fishing skiff. It’s one of those places that looks like a shanty town, where the cheapest cheeseburger costs $16, and the only way to get there is to fly in. We went out even further up along the bay where there is absolutely nothing, motoring out there in the boat for three hours and sleeping in an abandoned building from the 1800s in the second floor so the bears wouldn’t eat us. It was incredible. There was a giant mound out there where they had buried all the fishermen who had died (the old school fishermen back in the day). Some of the skulls and bones were sticking out.

          • Germandude

            Gold rush Alaska! ????

    • Kevin Yu

      I agree with you. In all of the chinese companies I worked, most of the people having office-jobs were the laziest pieces of shit I ever saw. I finished my ppt for some presentation in 4 days with research and such. They were praising me because they needed 1 month for one ppt with gifs and such things in it, that totally looked unprofessional.

      While they did the PPT they even played some online-games or just chatted on QQ half of the day, looked on qunar for some trips and such things. I could never understand how the boss doesnt even know what they do. I went with these guys to the minister of education in China and they showed their PPT with flying gifs of money to him and special powerpoint-effects…

      • mr.wiener

        It’s like they used to say in the former Warsaw pact countries: “If they pretend to pay us, we’ll pretend to work”.

  • biggj

    None of this would be possible if not for the 3 government officials. Here we have Mr. Jinming proudly showing the men who made his son’s immigration possible. The Chinese dream has come true for this luck man.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Girl, must be the big fag you are sucking on cause your photoshop skills are off da hinges.

    • mukanis

      You’re getting better with this hahaha. Kudos!

    • Germandude

      I knew you come up with the 3 stooges again. This is one of your best works so far ;-)

    • linette lee

      hahah..you are killing me. lol Do this one with Biden.

      http://www.tealeafnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bidenbiden.jpg

      • biggj

        I can put pictures in but I have a hard time layering pictures. Mighty is good at that. He could rock that for you. lol

        • linette lee

          I don’t know how to do that. What program is that? Where can I download it?

          • biggj

            Photoshop. You can find it online and watch a few youtube vids and it shows you how to use it. Do you know what torrents are? I think you can download for free for 30 days I think.

          • Mighty曹

            Damn, Bigg, I can’t even afford PS. I’m using Corel Graphics Suite. I’ve had bad luck with p2p downloads. Good for you!

          • biggj

            http://kickass.to/adobe-photoshop-cs5-extended-crack-t4435366.html

            That is the exact one I am using, It’s full version. Works perfect…no viruses or nothing.

            That one is cs5..whatever that means…there is a cs6 but its like 1.8gigs…..the link i sent you is only 900mb or something.

          • linette lee

            ooohh… thank you. :)

          • Mighty曹

            Thanks, Bigg! How about the key? Is there a keygen?

          • biggj

            nope, you dont need one. Just copy the crack into the main folder if I remember correctly…The instructions are in the download…tells you how to do it.

          • Mighty曹

            Nice. I’ll try it out tonight or tomorrow and see how it goes. I owe you one.

          • biggj

            No problem. Yeah it works go. First time I used PS was just the other day. It’s not so hard. Youtube has a lot of nerds with tutorials. lol

          • Mighty曹

            I’ve originally used PS on bootleg discs I bought in Asia. But later they got smart and required online activation. I’m still familiar with the functions maybe just not with some new features.

            It’ll be fun if we put a collage of ‘3 officials’. LOL

          • biggj

            Yeah chinasmack can do a story on us.

            “2 men assassinated after posting funny pictures of chinese government officials online.

            hahaha…ha….ha…um….yeah……nah…we should be ok. :)

          • maja

            I know how funny it sounds, but… are you sharing a photoshop torrent in the public comments section of a blog that you visit regularly? really? a blog that could already be “moderated” at any given time?

          • biggj

            I personally am not sharing anything illegal.All I’m sharing is a link to it.

          • maja

            ok. it’s just I’m quite clueless about the laws of all the countries we post from.

          • biggj

            Yeah every country is different. America had hardest laws on it. I think they mainly go for the people making profit from it. Like selling bootlegged cd or something. It’s still illegal though. I don’t understand ti though. Every single person I know downloads something illegal. Music, movies, software but yet no one seem to get in trouble for it. I never hear anything on the news about it. I only hear about the site itself getting in trouble, and they do is move the site to a country where it’s legal. But I really don’t know how it works.

          • The only thing that’s ever happened to me for downloading a torrent was my grandparents getting a cease and desist letter in the mail because I left uTorrent on my laptop when I was visiting them. It was some podunk ISP way out in the sticks, downloading at 56k speeds, but they picked up that someone was downloading and sent a warning. Everywhere else, never had any issue.

          • biggj

            That crazy man. I’ve never heard of anyone having anything like that. I know I was reading the news awile back and said US Internet providers will have a like a 6 strike thing for people. If you get caught downloading music or movies or whatever you get 6 warning and than they slow your internet down. lol

          • I’ve heard of people saying their internet got throttled for a little while whenever they try to download, but it never happened to me (or at least I didn’t notice). But yeah, I think pretty much any internet service provider (except apparently hillbilly ISPs out in the middle of the bayou) around here conveniently ignores things like that.

          • Beelzebub

            was that in the USA? that is insane!

          • Beelzebub

            Cracks filled with viruses, good god man just use an open source programme

          • PS

            GIMP man GIMP

          • Mighty曹

            Thanks! With a name like ‘PS’ you must know your a thing or two about PS.

          • POS

            Nah its just me ‘POS’, dropped my O by accident, anyone seen it? Seriously GIMP can do pretty much anything PS can.

          • Mighty曹

            Use GIMP to generate a replacement for the missing ‘O’. lol
            I’ll install GIMP over the weekend and dive into it. I’ll keep you posted of my findings.

          • POS

            GIMP is free, no need to pay big bucks!

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            You pay for photoshop?

          • POS

            Never used it except for in a college class, GIMP does everything I need… Inkscape is also great.

          • biggj

            Yeah, that’s what that girl said with the club foot. hahah

          • Beelzebub

            Well said! Windows is for the great unsoaped, lol

          • Irvin

            linette the moronic imbecile is back

          • linette lee

            You stupid.

        • Repatriated

          Watch the this series of tutorials. You’ll not only learn…but get a good laugh.

    • Mighty曹

      Hahahha.. nice!

    • mr.wiener

      Subtle work.

    • Mighty曹

      The officials also inspected the work place to ensure that the Aussies’ standard is up to theirs.

      • linette lee

        hahaha..lol. You are so crazy.

        • Mighty曹

          I wouldn’t know. :p

      • Guang Xiang

        Damn, the official in front is going to have a bad time if he continues to keep watching from that distance.

        • Mighty曹

          He doesn’t even need sunglasses.

      • biggj

        Nice, even put the weld flash in there. lol.

        • Mighty曹

          Does GIF work here?

          • biggj

            I don’t know, I tried once and nothing, but I have seen some on here before.

          • Mighty曹

            Not working. Maybe there’s a limit to the size.

          • Mighty曹

            Smaller sized GIF.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      you’re getting better at this

    • Fantastic

  • Germandude

    “Foreigners are lazy, they don’t work on weekends but drive cars to play at the beach. Us Chinese people love money, so we work overtime on weekends whenever we can,” Wang Jinming says.””

    Yeah. Isn’t it exciting to live in a free environment where you get a fair salary for fair work? Sadly, he still didn’t understand what life is about. Continue worshipping money if that’s all that is required to be happy in life.

    Oh, and this wasn’t meant in any kind of bad way.

    • I think these people are so blinded by the opportunity of wealth that showing off their big houses and 2 cars in a non urban area is awesome. One netizen definitly see the over dramatics of this situation, although his words can sound like jealousy.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        Chinese are still at a different level…Hey look at my big car! Look how i succeeded in life! ha! Hopefully they’ll get over that

        • biggj

          In Chinese standards I have succeeded in life at that age of 16.

          • Guest

            You married at 16?

          • biggj

            Fuck no. haha I got car.

            Buddy said this “Chinese are still at a different level…Hey look at my big car! Look
            how i succeeded in life! ha! Hopefully they’ll get over that”

            So 16 I got a car and apparently succeeded at life.haha

          • ABCGG

            yeah, its sad that people would associate success with a simple car, but no offense I think you would be hanging around peasants to seriously think getting a car would mean ‘successful’ because the people who truly worship money would think you need a house whilst the people who don’t worship money will just think ur a brat making those sort of generalisations

          • Repatriated

            I can see your point, ABCGG, but in China a lot of people buy cars and seldom use them. So many times I’ve heard “it’s too expensive to drive to (location), so I take the bus/train”. It also amazed me that some people would spend 400,000rmb on a car, then park it on the street so they didn’t have to pay 150rmb/month for underground parking at their apt complexes. Right now in China, cars are a HUGE status symbol. Heck, even an iPhone is considered a status symbol.

          • ABCGG

            I agree with most of your comment though I don’t really necessarily agree that iPhones are much of a status symbol. TBH my status was really just to criticise biggj’s arrogant comment.

          • biggj

            Shit, I was just making a joke about another person who said “Chinese are still at a different level…Hey look at my big car! Look
            how i succeeded in life! ha! Hopefully they’ll get over that” But it’s true, chinese think like that. Most chinese do. Not all.

          • Beelzebub

            The iphone is a load of crap, android or ubuntu will be far better

          • biggj

            Yep.

          • Alexander

            I don’t think this counts…..

          • biggj

            I had to work all summer to buy that thing. lol

        • Repatriated

          Hopefully a lot of Americans (yes, I’m American) will get over that too. I personally find it to be pretty sad when someone puts more effort and money into a car than where they live and spend most of their time.

          • biggj

            But i need to be rollin on 22’s. Have them rims spinnin’ and glistenin’ and shit. I got no gas money or a place to live but I look dope as shit. haha

          • Alexander

            There’s a big difference between affluent Chinese driving Buicks, and uneducated young Americans who pimp out their cars because they have weak culture and think rap culture is cool.

          • ismhmr

            You will never understand… Until you have lived in China for a bit. Americans aren’t that bad… Trust me..

        • I believe in the long arduous economic /socialist settings have mishapened their core values compared with other communist countries. They just have a stigma that associates bad/cheap/fraud products to the country. You have some extremely high hopes and my hopes are that just the young generation can wake up and be daring to go against tradition to improve an honest opinion of China would make some difference.

          Although this flaunting of success is due to a variety of factors, that extends beyond race but a narcissistic human based action will be a bigger thing to dissolve.

        • Beelzebub

          I used to be hopeful, but I doubt it, years of selfishness and latent greed has been unleashed, it’s all me, me, me

      • Beelzebub

        It’s dark all day, and it glows all night

        Factory smoke and acetylene light

        I face the day with me head caved in….yeap, sounds like his life. What is sad his poor kids will grow up never having seen an aussie beach, never learnt to swim, and never having been to a weekend bbq with their neighbours. What a PITY!!!

    • Oh yeah, years of communistic standards has made living so poorly for everyone that droning 12hrs a day is a good thing :D.

      I’ve done those 12 hr weeks driving an hr each way to work. I zombied that whole time and was putting myself at risk. I can’t say that my job efficiency increased or was maintain for that extra 2 hrs.

      • today

        I love how everyone seems to associate communism with poverty. Now tell me half of Africa is democratic why are they 10x poorer than China. India is democratic why is also poor? I’m not saying China is good, but hey to break the poverty cycle people need to work hard

        • Because communism brings everyone down in general. There will always be an elite group that capitalize on the vulnerability of such a form of govt. There will always be success or exploits driven by greed.

          China has bought about $1.2 trillion dollars of US debt in forms of bills, notes and bonds. China is heavily export based so keeping the yuan ration down is a good incentive for exports to benefit the few up top.
          Money gained had never trickled down as you see how it resulted in the US.
          If you believed China as a whole ‘worked hard’ to prosperity, you are either looking at outlier mini success cases and brain washed to hell or there’s a significant gap in your education in understanding govt and economics. I don’t have the time to correct this.

          • today

            In which system isn’t there an elite group?
            Japan is following an deflationary policy are you arguing that it is to ‘benefit the few’
            China’s strength lies in its comparatively cheap workforce so if the yuan went up, millions would be out of work.
            This however will be followed by a similar transition to more high-tech service based industry as seen by recent growth in internet companies- and a model that has been adapted by post war japan and S.Korea
            Therefore I find it kind of ironic you’re telling me that “I have a significant gap in my understanding of govt and economics ” when in fact your knowledge is fairly flawed as well.

          • Seems that you understood a bit of the Chinese mentality maybe… If China actually isn’t so shitty about stepping over everyone to make their money as this example is seen across cultures especially in business, maybe it’s possible that they don’t have to be so agreeable to be factory slaves for foreign exports??
            Companies that import all the cheap shit, demands in their contract how much they are willing to pay for such and such produce. To make that in the demanded time, under the demanded dollar value, either the people running the factories in China has to cut corners, in quality, underpay their people and other ill-moral things of the workers such that the “bosses” can get that contract and make that money.
            China, its government that runs these factories, allow this sort of capitalism to gain revenue. They allowed all these toxic factories being built there. It’s not just about providing jobs to its people, It’s about them providing jobs under shitty conditions. Why do you think so many Chinese feel the need to go abroad for a better life?
            Does China’s lower class really want to be continuous cheap laborers? Is that why they move from the countryside to the city?

            China has created this condition and knowingly kept this condition for the top mass to drive their bmws, have their spoil brats, carry their name brand bags, and maintain their power. Do you think most govt officials really care about their own people? Yet all your defense is that if China didn’t have comparable cheap work, people would be out of work.

            Look at the current situation or even years before that, look at how much unemployment there were and is. Look at the god damn school job fairs??
            There is a problem and by being yes men continue to work those low wage jobs is what shows that China likes their movies and have a bite to eat is enough, and is willing to be those central park horse with the flaps on their eyes, shitting in a bucket, Life is good, ignore the problems while other people are realizing them.

            Are you that brown horse pulling that white carriage?

          • today

            yes my “defence is that if China didn’t have comparable cheap work, people would be out of work.” Is it such a pathetic defence? is it not important be competitive in the global economy? is it not important to provide job to your people? Havent you heard the positive effects of globalisation? (although I too am reserved)
            In general people from ALL the developed countries go abroad because there is a much more stabilised system which has developed over the past hundred years. Do not get history mixed up with the present. Just because China currently isn’t as developed dosent mean that it would not in the future. A country needs time to develop just like poor people need to work hard to get rich. And of course chinese don’t want to continuously be cheap labourers but hey the Japs and the Koreans were cheap labours before, look where are they now?
            China has seen an increase of labour price by an average of 14% per year over a decade. I don’t know if you would categorise that as improvement but I sure do. Arguably one of the biggest reasons people talk about the impending collapse of China is because that its labour prices are rising; obviously they should increase.
            Ok I agree that chinese officials might not actually care about their people which is clearly sad, but in the same sense as CEOs don’t necessarily care about shareholders and workers, they still need to make them happy, you don’t have to ‘care’ to be effective, although it may help because if they don’t

          • Being competitively cheap is a spiral down to the bottom so yes.. it is a pathetic defense. Japan and Korea will never have the population mass that China has. Japan and Korea does not have people innovating fake food and toxic crap for their own countrymen. What Japan and Korea makes is electronics and technological advances. Aside from the supercomputer, I don’t see any product like the Samsung phones or the Nintendos. People are too busy working like dogs for much innovation.
            Good company culture comes from bosses that care. Typically factory bosses does not care, hence the foxconn etc issues.
            5000yrs of history as claimed.. is that not enough time just as the other countries had to develop? It’s because China is such a huge mass with very incoherent thoughts and sheep all around. Also due to such a population size, there will not be enough jobs even if it becomes cheaply competitive, now you are talking its slightly increased in labor?? Are we seeing the results because I certainly don’t see much in labor conditions. Maybe they just made everything cheaper for everyone so now everyone can afford a phone.

            In general, people from most 3rd world countries would go to developed countries. FTFY.

          • today

            well sorry to inform you but before they made all electronics, guess what they were making? CHEAP MANUFACTORING GOODS! you do realise that Nintendo only really came on its own in the late 1990s what did it do before? cards. You don’t seriously believe that innovation pops out of nowhere do you?
            I’ll admit that China will probably never be as developed as Japan, but to say it ‘is a spiral down to the bottom’ is totally and blatantly ignorant about the progresses.
            I don’t know if you use Chinasmack as your main source of information, but you should seriously read some newspaper.
            Funny you talk about Foxconn cause its actually owned by Taiwan businessman.
            lol I don’t buy into that 5000 years of history, otherwise Egypt and Greece would be ruling the world. But I do believe its in cycles and China is now in a (relatively positive) cycle.
            And since when was this argument mainly about immigration? I’ve never attempted to rebut that people from developing countries (sorry I spelt developing as developed in the above post) I’m just saying its foolish to think migration= good life.

          • WoRPt

            I remember that scene in Back to the Future when Doc from the 50s sees the car. “No wonder it’s broken, all these parts are Japanese!”

          • Zappa Frank

            not compleatly true. Japan was known even a lot before ’90s for good quality stuff, till around’80s westeners were used to refuse to recognize it, the same went to koreans stuff, but their quality was real.
            When first appeared japan motorcycles, and all europeans thought that were cheap because less expansive and were not going to stand, easy to get broken… time showed they were wrong by far, and that japan quality was better than european.i’m talking about ’70s. Even before the world war 2 japan was knwon for high quality stuff. We can say a lot of shit about japan, but for sure they know how to work.
            In china we do not have the same, never had a tradition of good quality products, and despite what chinese says thay never had a tradion as good workers, maybe as greedy workes that care just about do as fast and as much as possbile regardless the quality.

          • Today

            Point take. However i think you’ve sorta mIsunderstood my point. I’m not disputing the quality of japanese goods, what i am disputing is that Japan and South Korea went through a process in which they developed from manufactoring into high end electronics- cars to phones, thus they went through a process in which they made relatively cheap to expensive products

            Also I think people tend to forget that there is a market for cheap/ low quality goods, why shouldnt china take this perfect opportunity to bloster its manufactoring and slowly make a transition to a modern economy?

            Overall my point is that this is a transitional period and that the negativism is unwarrented as developed countires today have all at some stage went through this industrialisation process that china is currently undertaking

          • Read your second paragraph, which you specified people moving abroad… So…Migration since the beginning of times in the Nile has been the possibility of a better life, trades, knowledge, and the human natural interest to explore.

            You have just admitted that you think china will never be as good as Japan whilst you previously so argumentatively decided the opposite.

            Now you want to make foolish assumptions as to where I get my news source. come on dude, that’s a low stab.. and I thought I was the one being an dick here.

          • Today

            I did read my second paragraph and your first paragraph has no clear link to it.

            I dont think i’ve ever said china is going to overtake japan and s korea as a whole, is it some sprt of embrassment that china cant be the top 10 most developed country in the world? arguably even america is not as developed as Japan and S korea as a country (due to its massive population and geographical constraints). I

            think ypu are unaware that it would be impossible for a country containing 19p/c pf the world to fully equality. America hasnt done it nor will china or any other cpuntry that has a population of over 200 million.

            However what is there stopping china from growing and increase its middle class like it has flr nearly 2 decades? If that is my ‘foolish assumption’ then i think you better hit yourself in the head.

        • Alexander

          China of the past 20 years is not communist. There may be a “communist party” in charge, but by no means is it true communism in the Marxist-Leninist doctrine. China is a one party autocracy with a capitalist economy, it is not truly communist. Its like a Halloween costume, someone might dress-up as a vampire for Halloween and they might even look like one, but that doesn’t make them a real vampire….

          • today

            yes I understand your point. But I think you’ve kinda missed my point. What i’m trying to say is that the critique of Chinese government, in that they have made the country poor is unwarranted and in fact I think they don’t get nearly as much credit as they deserve for pulling millions of people’s living standards up

          • Alexander

            You said communist, yet there is no form of real communism being practiced. I get your point, I didn’t agree or disagree with it nor did I critique the government.

        • Beelzebub

          Actually China’s gdp is on a par with that of Namibia, a windblown desert region of south africa.

    • Baphomet

      You are dead right, us people indeed, you can just tell this guy would be perfectly happy squatting on a plastic stool on a street corner in guangzhou spitting sunflower seed shells onto the floor and swigging pearl river beer out of a bottle, all the while decrying the damned foreigners. Why did they ever leave?

    • Kiwi

      If they love work so much they should spend their weekend shining my shoes. I’d probably pay more than their current wages anyways

    • Robert Rou

      Sadly a lot of people that could live privileged lifestyle bewilderingly choose to go to developing nation to become professional shit talkers. Odd indeed. I find it curiously fascinating, but honestly it’s not necessarily bad for China at all.

      • POS

        And then there are insecure, inferiority complex having people who have the need to follow around such “shit talkers” (code for people who might actually point out real and relevant flaws in aforementioned developing nation) and tell them how little they matter but totally undermine their own point due to their obsessive need to communicate this to repeatedly on any site dealing with Chinese related matters.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Yes….but he’ll come to his senses after a few more years. This makes me think about an article i read in “Courrier International” (which translates international media into French) about what foreigners thought about French people having a lot of holidays. Most people interview actually expressed quite a reasonable point of view about the good and the bad aspects of such a system while the Chinese guy interviewed said “oh! those damn French are so lasy…blablabla and in the end finished by saying: but actually it’s quite good having all that spare time to have a good life and take care of your family~~~ TWO FACE BITCH! :p

      • enym

        and we wonder why the whole europe is in crisis. soon we will be begging on the streets during that “spare” time

        • Reptilian

          Aren’t you already? I mean, living off various welfare programs IS begging.

          • Beelzebub

            How is it begging if you have worked and paid into it, through say national insurance? In my humble opinion, anyone born into those countries, who has worked and paid taxes and contributions has every right to spend his/her natural life on welfare as long as it allows. They cut my friends welfare to 6 pounds a week in the UK, yet he still refused to work, and be a cog in their crappy system! End of story!!!

          • biggj

            EI is one thing, Welfare is another. I don’t know about the UK but canada they are getting really strict on it. I know woman whos only job is to have have kids and go on welfare. That is how they live. Even EI I use to go on until maybe 4 years ago. I would work my job for 7 months and than draw EI. I would get laid off for the summer and get max EI. Which was 700$ a week. I would get that for 5 months then go back to work. But They put a new law in that when you get laid off even if your job is seasonal you had to look for a job. The EI office will call you and set up job interviews for you. SO I just said fuck it and just don’t draw it anymore.I don’t have to anyway. But 700$ a week for doing nothing was nice. But they don’t just give it away anymore.

          • Beelzebub

            Still cannot agree, and not personal btw.What is EI btw? What is wrong with having kids and going on welfare? You just do not know how to play the system. When there are people moving their businesses to switzerland to avoid paying UK tax, I feel no guilt, nor shame in collecting benefits, from a system I have WORKED for and PAID into. Yes, I was a cleaner (janitor) all through university. Not afraid of a bit of elbow grease, cleaning bogs, mopping floors, even getting into a swimming pool undercroft with dust mask and cleaning it out, hot, dusty work, but all good fun. I just dislike and detest mcjobs. Give me a job where I can reach a goal and feel I’ve given my all at the end of day, that is fine, give me a job where I have just given some english first ex pizza hut manager face or made mcdonalds sales better and some spotty faced manager at mcd’s look better for his regional manager, sod that lark, I’d rather take the dole,or welfare. People should not be forced to take mcjobs, especially if they have a degree or skilled in a technical field!

          • biggj

            E.I is like dole..we call it pogi. It’s employment insurance or something like that. U.I maybe…shit I don’t know.I mean going on welfare is fine I guess if you are happy with that life. They just give you enough to get by. I can’t live like that. Not just scraping by, even if all it me siting on my ass doing nothing. Some people don’t mind that. I mean McDonalds and jobs like that I would not be caught doing that either. But I would go above that. Not just give up and go on the dole. But that’s me. The thing I notice the most about people that are university educated in a field is they want jobs in their city or country. And sometimes you need to go where the jobs are. I’ve seen that a lot in my home province. They complain there are no jobs and if they move to the other side of the country there a tons of jobs. Life don’t adapt to you, you have to adapt to life.

          • Beelzebub

            Fair enough, so it is similar to national insurance in the UK which you pay each month from your salary and or/dole payments. You are right, some people don’t mind that, and therein lies the rub, personally, I prefer to work, BUT it has to be work of my choosing, not what some snot nosed kid at the job centre deems I should do, and that as a 37 year old educated man, I should answer to some blackhead faced 21 year old who thinks mcdonalds or pizza hut is a CAREER! Same reason I would NEVER work at a training centre in China, they all follow the swiss business model AKA ENGLISH THIRST (FIRST) for MONEY, and they are all ex pizza hut workers or mcdonalds supervisors from the west!!! Again, and I will repeat it till the cows come home, name a country and a job that pays 5,000 rmb a month (around 500 euros), that lets me drink 4 big bottles of beer a day, smoke cheap cigarettes, and eat spicy hotpot each night, with a free cosy flat, and only having to teach 1 lesson 14-16 times a week, and I will consider it!! But I bet you and nobody else in the world can!! So for now I far prefer the PR of China to the PR of Canada, cleaning job or not!!!!

          • biggj

            You can do that job in any country that needs ESL teachers. China is not the end all be all of teaching. Why do you get paid so low? The people I talk to get paid usually over 8000 with free everything. And they are just scrubs off the street.No education and can’t even speak English. You could be rocking it hard. An educated guy like yourself from the UK and your skin is white. Shit, you should be making 10,000 plus for the same amount of work. I was offered 10,000 with 2 000 house allowance from a Chinese guy off the street as I was eating dinner.

            I had a job even easier than teaching and got paid 5x that when I was 18. I worked in hotel at the front counter during the nights. My job just pretty much was just watching TV and playing on the computer getting stoned. When someone came in which was not very often I just sign them in and gave them a room. And there was kitchen there so I would cook up some food while I was there for free. I got a free room to stay in while I was there. Mind you, this job was in Yukon in Canada in some small town of 300 people. Most of the people who stayed at the hotel where government workers who do something with the gold minds. Anyway, point is there are lots of jobs out there that are easier and pay more if you go to the right place. Teaching is fine though. To each their own.

          • Alain Boutton

            Missed this one, so to answer. They are probably working at a training centre, are grovelling weasels, and I only like easy public jobs. Money is not my primary motivator. 5-6,000 rmb for a little work and not having to rent any flat or teach kids crappy games or songs is just fine for me. To each their own as you say! Cheers sir!!!

    • LRB

      No you fucking moron. Foreigners work hard, and play hard. It’s called having a “life” You will die with money and very bored, and be like all the other sour old people in your fucked up out dated country.

      • Germandude

        Read the article again. Read my comment again. Not my fault that you are too stupid to understand what I wrote.

    • Michael

      Chinese people are greedy money hungry fuckers. Money this and that. Never satisfied with simplicity. But yes..foreigners do know how to enjoy life. :)

  • 5000 years of history

    I wish I worked in the same place he does. Then I could walk over and give him a load of shit in Chinese about how lazy “us foreigners are”. Also isn’t it funny that even when Chinese are in America and Australia they still say Laowai when they are the Laowai.

    • Germandude

      There is “hard work” and there is “smart work”. If you know what I mean ;-)

      And yes, it is absolutely funny that Chinese call other nationals foreigners no matter where.
      Think of “laowai” meaning “stranger” more than foreigner.

      • Repatriated

        Exactly. In my experiences, I’ve found that it takes 2 Chinese people 14 hours/day to get them same amount accomplished as 1 westerner working 8 hours/day. They seriously think “long hours” means working hard. Laowai enjoy free time, so tend to work a lot harder during a typical shift…so they can get the heck outta there.

        • Germandude

          While I am not necessarily putting it on Chinese workforce, I am blaming it more on cultural differences and education. I know some very hard working and smart Chinese guys that are 2nd to none of my European colleagues. It’s about education and experience, it appears. Most of them have travelled a lot, studied abroad or work in an international field for a long time, so gained through that.

          Also: “It’s not about how many hours you put in. It’s about how much you put into the hours.”

          • Repatriated

            Yep. This is no doubt why so many Chinese factories have a “paid per piece” payroll system.

          • lacompacida

            That’s the only way I would hire any Chinese.

        • Alexander

          When you get paid 10 yuan per hour you tend not to work your ass off and its better to “milk the clock”. If you are paid by the job and at a high rate like in the US or Australia, then maybe they would work faster and better…..

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            agreed

          • Repatriated

            It would seem like good logic, but I spent 4 years of my time in China working for a well known American IT company. The employees there were actually paid quite well. Many of them seemed to spend more time complaining about how their US counterparts made more money (for working a lazy 8 hour day) than they did actually getting things done.

          • Alexander

            You really don’t think workers in the US are the same? There are plenty of American workers who are lazy and just fill a chair all day. Its not about a particular ethnic group of people, its just that some people are disenchanted with their employment and are not doing what they really want to do in life.

        • maja

          Since it seems his work was so appreciated I guess Yin Fagang had both the efficiency AND the long hours. According to the story: “with that skill/output quality you can work abroad”. Nobody knows if he would accept long AND hard working hours if his family didn’t need his revenue tough…

        • today

          Well in my experience it takes the westerner twice as long to do the same thing as a Chinese person, plus they act as if they’re some kind of special commodity. Case in point, different people have different experiences.

        • WoRPt

          I know some Spanish guys in Xiaxia (just outside Hangzhou) that are factory supervisors. Some of the stories I’ve heard. They’ll show the workers how to do the job, make sure they understand, supervise them the first few rounds, then move on to the next batch. When they come back, the first group isn’t doing anything.
          – Why?
          – The machine is broken.
          – How did it break?
          – We found a faster way to do it.
          – Was it the way I showed you?
          – No. This way was faster.
          – And what happened?
          – We broke the machine.

          • Beelzebub

            Sounds about right. Instead of listening and learning, what a joke.

        • Opinion

          It’s not that Chinese are particularly inefficient, so much as that anybody will become less productive after a certain point. It depends somewhat on the kind of work, but if you’re doing anything that requires a lot of concentration, there’s definitely a point of diminishing returns. I feel like the workplace culture in some Asian countries values logging hours to a point that is counterproductive.

      • noothernameisleft

        Laowai is closer in meaning to “Caucasian or white person”. It would be the same as a foreigner in China calling a Chinese person a Chinese person or yellow man.

        Weigoren is “outsider” or foreigner. So in the story his use of Laowai is technically correct in common usage although it would be better if he wasn’t racist in his statement.

        • Alexander

          Nonetheless it is a retarded thing to do call people “foreigner” because they are not a citizen of that country. It would be like people in Europe calling Chinese people in Europe who are not EU citizens “foreigner” or ching-chong-man, also a retarded thing to do. You said laowai has a closer meaning to caucasian or white person, yet the Xingjiang Uighur people are white Caucasians closely related to the Turkish, yet no one points at them and call them “laowai”……. lucky Uighur bastards!

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I’m sure you already know that but even though Xinjiang people are not called Laowai…they are still looked upon like a fuckin threat by 95% of all the Chinese people i’ve talk about this to. So they’re not Laowai…but they’re not Chinese in the eyes of Chinese people.

          • Alexander

            That’s because they are not Chinese, they are only Chinese citizens. It would be like Puerto Ricans being called American, they are quick to make the point that they are proudly Puerto Rican and just American citizens. But just because people are different, I’m not going to give them retarded labels like laowai, ching-chong-man, or spic….

          • Zappa Frank

            chinese are just han people in the end. whatever they say about 56 ethinc group..

          • Cinimod

            The Uighurs have some Caucasian blood but they’re not fully Caucasian. Strictly speaking the Uighurs aren’t a single ethnic group but a mixture of races who have the same language and culture. Some Uighurs look like they’re from Ireland whereas others look completely Chinese and then you have many other appearances in between. Plus I think they have a few more issues than the traumatic experience of being called a “laowai”.

          • Alexander

            How can you say some? They are descendants of Turic people, that means people that migrated from Turkey long ago to the East. Kazakhs, Turkmen, Turkish, Tatars, and Uighurs are all part of this group of people which are Caucasian people. Sure there are some Uighurs which have mixed blood, but just about every ethnic group has some mixed blood somewhere along the way. The point remains the same, they are Caucasian people yet they are not called lao wai, yet you have people who are married to Chinese with children who were born in China and are chinese citizens yet people call those children lao wai children even though their mother or father is chinese and they are chinese citizens….. go figure!

          • Cinimod

            The Uighurs are a mixture of east and west. The culture and their language has spread out from Turkic ancestors. Turkey gets its name from the Turkic people who live there not visa versa, so the Uighur ancestors did not all come from Turkey. They are a mixture of East and Western people. Different regions of Xinjiang have different genetic mixtures. Hotan uighurs have a higher proportion of European ancestry than Illi which has more Mongolian ancestry. Overall studies of mitochondrial DNA show that on average they have about 46% Western ancestry. Which is why I say they have some Caucasian blood. One look at the people in Da Bazaar in Urumqi and you can see that it’s a bit too simplistic to try and classify them as having a single specific ancestry.

          • Alexander

            Focus on the majority, the whole, the group as a general. The Mongols might have spread throughout much of the world, but Russians and Ukranians are still considered very much caucasian, as the Uighur are. Not a good point, pretty much all ethnic groups have some kind of mixed blood. Your argument is like saying that people from Spain aren’t really Spanish because throughout history there has been some mixing with Africans (the Moors), Arabs, Romans, the Vandals, and even the Carthaginians. Nonetheless, even with all the mixed ethnic groups, as a whole Spanish people are still considered “European” and “Caucasian”. Uighurs are considered caucasian, just like the Turkmen, the Persians, and the Arabs are. Do you think the Iranians consider themselves Asian race just because there was some mixing of the blood with the Mongol Empire some +900 years ago? Uighurs are classified under caucasian race, sub-group semitic. They are no where to be found under any of the classifications of mongoloid races and sub-categories.

          • Cinimod

            Do you have a link for them being classed as “caucasian race, sub-group semitic”, I’d like to check it out.

            Thanks

          • Alexander

            Yeah, Meyers Blitz-Lexikon did a nice chart of it, its the study of physical anthropology. A simple search on yahoo or google into Meyers Blitz-Lexikon and caucasian chart will yield some information for you.

          • Alexander

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        • Germandude

          Thanks for clarifying this.

        • biggj

          I prefer the term “Gwailo”

      • WoRPt

        For a while, I tried calling Chinese people “LaoLi”. Didn’t find anyone that understood that.

    • Baphomet

      I smashed a guy in the face at dubai airport for that, and would do it again.

      • Robert Rou

        Awesome you must feel mighty proud of yourself for doing that. I bet you are a real strong man, not just on the Internet.

        • Baphomet

          I do feel proud actually, proud of not accepting a paycheck for just any old job.

          • POS

            Some ones gotta wumao, Chinese job market is rough these days.

          • Baphomet

            http://www.whywork.org/about/features/stories/living_rant.html

            Actually, it was found out all the money blown on those banquet dinners annually would provide for universal welfare in you know where.

          • biggj

            ,But you do. You get paid to fake teach in china. That’s getting paid for any old job.

          • Beelzebub

            not really a “job” though, is it? Again, ffs, show me ANYWHERE in the world you can earn 5-600 euros a month for teaching 1 lesson 14-16 times a week with a free flat, drink 4 big bottles of beer a day and smoke 20 cigs a day, and still save money. I BET YOU CANNOT! End of story, and TAKE A HIKE!

          • biggj

            I never said it’s not a real job. It is any job that any white monkey can do. And you said you won’t take money from any old job…but you do. You still work for some rich guy who don’t give a fuck about you. Same as everyone else. If you are happy to make 5-600 Euros month that’s great. I don’t want to work the rest of my life. Shit, if I sold everything I owned I could retire now in china and live the next 50 years worry free. We just do it different. You look for the easy way to live forever. I look the way to stop working and not have to work after I reach 40. To each his own. When I’m 40 you can find me spending the my time on a beach getting drunk and having a good time. Or do whatever I want because I will not have to be a slave to money anymore.

          • Beelzebub

            Or do whatever I want because I will not have to be a slave to money anymore.

            The problem is, with your mentality, you will be for all your life. Not going to argue, I like my life, you like yours, but I suspect you will not be able to leave it at that, and continue to poke others who earn less than you in Canada. Personally, I wouldn’t want to live in Canada, and as a UK citizen could not anyway. Good luck body!!!

          • biggj

            You got me all wrong. Why do you work? fun, money, boredom? Well I work for money…only fucking reason. I work to get money so I don’t have to work. I hate working. Fucking hate it. But to achieve not working I have to work. So I make the most I can in the shortest amount of time. That’s my way. In the end I won’t be living in Canada….cost too much. Im selling everything and taking all my money to a poor country and I am going to live the rest of my days like king. Actually money disgust me.But In this world you need it. I want to live good doing nothing….I was born poor as shit so I had to find another way.

          • Beelzebub

            why is it fake teach if I prepare the lesson topic beforehand, and teach it for 14X45 periods a week, you are probably blind and braindead from welding too much, sounds like a hellish job to me, but nothing personal

          • biggj

            I don’t weld. I just I breath in fresh Canadian air. Can you say the same about working in china? Shit, welding 5 days in Canada would be about as harmful as just being in china for one day. What I mean by fake is anyone can do it. It’s don’t take education or skill. A guy I know works at a university and only has his grade 10!! Not even a high school diploma and is teaching a university class. That is fake teaching.Same as everyone else I know in china. They do it because it is easy….and any fool can do it. That is why they do it. I might think differently of teaching in china but 8 out 10 people I know are not qualified to teach. And the other 2 just have a BA in some random shit like computers or something that makes their visa legit. The only other job I can think of being that sketchy is being a prostitute. Any fool can do it as long as you look the part. Same as teaching in china. I could not walk into a regular school with fake degrees and become a teacher. But it’s easy as that in china to teach. Even looking past all the education shit. These people are working around kids. Should they at least get checked to see if they have a criminal record or a sex offender or something. I mean come on…..that’s fucked.

            I’m canada you can’t even stack lumber without a piss test and a back ground check. But in china you only need to be white to teach little kids??? That is fucked. And I’m not saying it’s the teachers fault…why would anyone work for a place like that. Alarm bells should be ringing. What kind of job is this? I need to be white? That’s nuts..

          • Beelzebub

            The only other job I can think of being that sketchy is being a prostitute.

            that is just ridiculous. As they have narrowed it down to the five countries, you need a degree, and definitely so for Taiwan. A degree is not good enough for HK though, not anymore. I don’t see degrees for prostitutes, doesn’t take much how to learn to give blow jobs, does it? No, university is completely different. And blame the chinese for their racism, offering filipinas less than whites, and yes I have seen this just recently. But that is good for whites in China, means we can get more for doing the same job, again I reiterate, there is no job as good as this in the PR of Canada or the UKSSR, if you have a wife in China or a chinese girlfriend in China, NONE! And noone can prove it to me otherwise! End of story body!!!!

          • biggj

            Then how are all these German, Russian, Ukrainians, And every other none English white country work as teachers in china…Even Indians?. Having a degree just is a technicality. There are ways to get around that. Sure it’s cool for whites I’m saying it’s not. But you can’t deny any fool can teach in china. Even if you are a criminal with a grade 2 education. Good thing china is getting wise to stuff. It’s not safe. I feel bad for these kids who parents actually pay for them to go to these places. It a scam. It’s good for the teachers….but It is just a scam….most place…not even a few…most.

          • biggj

            Dude….There are tons of job better and easier than teaching. My job is not…my job is hard as shit. But my wife…Her job is easy as shit and make a little over 100,000$ a year. All she has to do is talk on phone, work on the computer and when a big shipment leaves china, She goes to china all expenses paid and stays at the best hotels just to make sure the shipment leaves and everything is order. And goes and inspects products from factories.80% of time she is home doing whatever she want. She is teaching this womans Samba dance exercise things now just to keep busy. And she does it free of charge. There are jobs out there that pay more and easier if you know what you are doing and have some skill. Sure, maybe jobs that the only thing you need to be is white…well there are none better or easier than teaching I guess…Maybe modeling.

          • Claude

            Teaching is difficult because you have to be ON all the time. ON for the students ON for your boss and have to deal with all the petty tribalism that’s taking place amongst your co-workers. Some of them are so threatened by one another they are scared, insecure little boys. Don’t they realize it’s just a Mcjob? Have a good time – in and out, no fucking about but….

            I sometimes think about going to China and teach because it’s “easy” for winter because Canadian winters are a fucking nightmare but then I think about how exausting the job is.

          • biggj

            By “on” do you mean awake? lol They are threated by one another because any fool can walk in and replace them. I’d be on edge too if my job would be threated by some blond haired, blued eyed handsome guy who speaks only Russian.lol It’s good to take your job serious…but take a serious job serious.

          • Claude

            Funny! That was a good laugh, thanks. Actually, I have blond hair and blue eyes. I’m just not a people person, so the job’s exhausting.

            “but take a serious job serious” I know, right?

    • donscarletti

      Most immigrants work much harder than their compatriots at home, I can imagine that he does good quality welds most of the time and spends very little time goofing off or his australian boss simply would not let him work those overtime hours.

    • today

      Well Westerners may work ‘smarter’ but hey Chinese work ‘harder’ so it all balances out after all so chill.

  • Germandude

    Lol at this comment. That’s a great sense of humor:

    “Those who do not love their country should fuck off as soon as possible, and never come back!!! And take me with you when you go.””

    • Mighty曹

      It’s always amusing to see them yell “traitors!” and then jump on the wagon too.

    • Irvin

      And they said chinese don’t have a sense of humor.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Isn’t everything upside down in Australia?

  • David Stern

    The numbers seem all messed up in this article. AUD 30k per year is the minimum wage in Australia. And you will pay very little tax if you earn that little. LIkely it is AUD 36 per hour, AUD 70k per year which is the average salary.

    • Average salary for what kind of profession? Aussy sounds pretty good for a lot of Americans right about now.

      • lacompacida

        For a welder, plumber, carpenter, pipefitter, electricians, brick layer, landscape construction, gardener, cook…

      • Powerlurker

        You can make a good living doing in the skilled trades in the US if you’re willing to move to western North Dakota or other remote locations currently undergoing a resource boom.

  • “It doesn’t matter where you are, as long as you yourself are living well, then that’s all that matters.
    Behind all the glamour, there’s bitterness you can’t see”

    There’s bitterness these workers can’t see.

    • Irvin

      I’d take bitterness I can’t see over bitterness I can see anyday.

      • So you are saying ignorance is bliss?
        I’m saying these welding workers are ignoring the aspects of their hardship and traded in their free time to live for a bigger house and more cars. Hey, I’ve got no complains but I don’t see it their way based on my circumstances and I definitely don’t want to be part of the herded sheep though.

        I’m happy for them as they are “happy”.

        • Irvin

          happiness is relative, in fact every opinion is relative. Like one of the games said “nothing is true, everything is permitted”.

          If they’re happy working their ass off with no R&R, who are we to judge. Just because we view happiness differently doesn’t make their happiness invalid.

          • I am aware of that. I just don’t agree with the supremely skewed way of the Chinese emphasis on wealth. To put on the appearence of happiness with neglect to what it means to live. I don’t want to work hard so I can gain material possessions instead of doing activities I enjoy. What I’m also trying to say is that China has let excessive materialism take over. Anything in excess is bad imo.

          • Irvin

            Of all the years i’ve been in china, I always despise materialistic girls. The prerequisit of finding a mate in china is to have a house and a car. There was one post even said she rather be a mistress than marry someone poor.

            Naturally, I and alot of other people have other ideas of what marriage is, to have a connection with another of the opposite sex deep enough to choose to spent the rest of our lives with them.

            But then, I realized that’s my point of view. And they have theirs. There really is not right and wrong, just different people with different perspective in life.

            I realized that right and wrong is just the compatability of one person’s point of view to another. In another word, life really doesn’t have an absolution. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

            Now I just let things be, if they wanna work their ass off let it be, if they want to grave dig let it be, if they want to think life is just what they can hoard and comsume let it be.

            Now am a much happier man, maybe you can try it, you maybe be surprise by the results.

          • :) It’s not just a point of view. It’s a moral that defines me as an individual. I have a set of standards just as you have. In opinions that differ from mine, I can try to understand it, assimilate it, reject it or hide under the rock and be a dodo bird inpleaing ignorance. Either way, if people wants to consume without production, it only further proves humans are the basic mold on earth on a road to destruction. I will not promote that and be agreeable to those who stands for the opposite of honor or morality and sheepish shallowness like gold diggers or people without principles. I should’nt just willy nilly agree to letting other people who makes bad choices be if it affects me. That’s like leaving the voting to people who value security over freedom.
            Now I may seem like a cynic. Others opinion may lead me to sigh and shake my head but it doesn’t make me less happy if that’s what you mean. Happiness is psychological so you can believe not letting those things bother you by letting them be or simply by choosing to know that shit happens a lot with people and be glad you arn’t one of them. I don’t let other’s poor decisions affect my happiness

          • Also, when I die, my car, my house and what not will not mean a thing to me. What makes me happy and my little unmeaningful life worth it is the experience I share with my loved ones. Again, my opinion, Happy temporary satisfaction of shopping for these folks. They’ve worked hard and they deserve it.

          • Irvin

            yup, cause and effect.

  • Maddy

    I seriously think they downplayed the money, because I’ve earnt more than that working in a call centre…
    Yes, Australia is awesome, I do wish that more people would come to enjoy the way of life and culture not just for the money and the “luxury” (read: pretty average) houses.

    • Irvin

      But they censored everything entertainment.

    • lacompacida

      That’s right. Some welders here are earning US$250,000 a year.

  • 剑胆琴心

    good for them.
    i always tell my sister if her son does not like to study then just let him study some skills.no need to force him to be a geek…
    same to mine, i hate useless geek. read too much at last body is soft, head is locked.

    • linette lee

      Hey bunny, I like how you wear your headband. Very nice. I love these type of headbands. So pretty.

      http://mybridalcloset.com/bridal-blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/0bfe96a847368fb724a9e6b027c9d840.jpg

      You are right. Not all College degree are useful. Sometimes it’s better just to learn some useful skill. With the right skill the person can go to any country and make a decent living.

      • Beelzebub

        I agree, but then again I do not. A college degree will still open doors, provided it is in the right subject. I can teach in Taiwan, yet many teachers in China cannot,….why, simply put they do not have a degree in English Linguistics nor any other qualifications.

    • Irvin

      Been molested by geeks when you were young huh?

    • Cauffiel

      Write less, read more. Write again in 6 months. Keep studying. :-)

    • don mario

      you need to study more.

  • PixelPulse

    Since when was a one story house “luxurious”?

    • Irvin

      luxury is relative.

      • PixelPulse

        True enough, but I would call it more of an upgrade then luxurious.

        • Irvin

          Different people have different standard of “luxurious”. lol

    • lacompacida

      Some one story houses are really luxurious. Luxury is not counted in number of stories.

      • PixelPulse

        You can tell from the picture that their house is a very basic one story house.

  • Mighty曹

    I have only 3 things to say:
    1) “Relying on their superior welding skills”. – Are quality welders that rare?
    2) “Foreigners are lazy, they don’t work on weekends but drive cars to play at the beach.” – It’s called R&R.
    3) “Us Chinese people love money, so we work overtime on weekends whenever we can,” – Overworking without needed rest is a recipe for accidents and shoddy workmanship.
    4) There goes Australia.

    • Germandude

      What’s R&R standing for? I just know R&N: Recreation and Nightlife.

      • Mighty曹

        Rest & Recreation. I prefer Clubbing & Nightlife.
        Btw, are you into ATB at all?

        • mr.wiener

          Reefers and rugby :)

          • Mighty曹

            Hahaha… imagine playing rugby after refeers.

        • Germandude

          Come on Mighty. Spare me. I don’t know all those abbreviations you are dishing out. What does ATB stand for?

          • Mighty曹

            LOL. IMS. hahaha… ATB is a German DJ who’ll be playing here in Oct. I’m there!

          • Germandude

            ….well yes, I heard of ATB. But when listening to electronic music, I am going Dutch. Check youtube for Lady Dana, Rotterdam Terror Corps, Neophyte and the like to get an idea.

          • Mighty曹

            This genre overlaps with Hard Trance, Electronica, and Dubstep very narrowly. I can dig some of it. Ironically, my fave DJ’s are Dutch, Armin van Buuren and Tiesto.

        • lacompacida

          Is Clubbing hitting people with clubs ?

          • Mighty曹

            No. It’s hitting your own head with a club. Try it.

          • No, it’s bringing baby seals to clubs.

    • biggj

      5) 400,000,000 chinese welders apply for work in Austrailia next year.lol

      • Mighty曹

        The number of welders approved will exceed the population of Australia.

        • biggj

          16x the population if Australia if 400,000,000 went there….funny thing is china would not even notice they were gone. lol

          • Irvin

            lol this is probably true.

        • linette lee

          “The number of welders approved will exceed the population of Australia.”

          haha lol. The chinese is taking over Australia. Watch out kangaroo. The new delicacy.

          • Mighty曹

            What? haha… Chinese hunting in the outback?

          • Cauffiel

            Yeah, had that opportunity hundreds of years ago. Blew it. Blowing scores of opportunities now. Xi’s gotta get his fuck on.

        • Pikachuu~

          I swear I spit on my phone’s screen after reading your comment .. lmao

          • Mighty曹

            You can thank me now that you have a clean phone. lol

          • Pikachuu~

            Oh yeah .. looks brand new XD

          • Mighty曹

            Hahaha. You’re welcome.

    • mr.wiener

      Comes to Australia, raises their kids as Australian, says “Fuck China”, lets next wave of migrants do the shitty jobs.

      • Mighty曹

        History in the making.

      • All the Chinese students studying abroad in Australia suddenly drop their Accounting major and head over to the local a&m tech schools to learn welding with all the bogans.

        • Agus Dwikarna

          I went to an Accounting class in Brisbane last semester. We had about 300 students, I reckon. And I dare say 85% of the students are Chinese, or looks Chinese/East Asian.

          It seems like the majority of Chinese students enroll in Business or IT majors. Case in point, I don’t see many of them in Psychology classes.

          • Yeah, same at my university in Arkansas. I worked in the campus office that handles international student’s visas and other legal business. Most of the Japanese students were studying Accounting, the Chinese seemed divided. The girls were studying Accounting, the guys were studying Business Management. The Koreans were a little bit more diverse in their majors.

            We did, however, get a few Chinese studying in the Agricultural, Food, and Life Sciences department, but mostly in the soil chemistry and hydrology area (what I studied). These ones were usually PhD students, though.

            As far as worthless majors, though…there were actually quite few Chinese and Taiwanese majoring in arts. Several Koreans in drama and theater.

          • Agus Dwikarna

            Just to give you a figure, about 600-700 Chinese students enroll in my uni every semester. Compare that to Singaporeans (about 200) and other international students (10-80).

          • Yeah we get around 500 grad and undergrad Chinese students and close to the same amount of Indian students. Several hundred Koreans, too. The university has partner schools in several countries that allow students to study abroad here but pay their home tuition, and vice versa. I toyed with the idea of spending a semester or two paying my own in-state tuition here but studying abroad in Newcastle in Australia. I didn’t, but maybe I’ll go back just to take advantage of that haha

          • linette lee

            Many chinese in science also. Many study chemistry and biology major. And they like to do research.
            The university of music has many chinese also.
            Not too many chinese in journalism though.

          • Not at my university. I had to take a majority of the Chemistry classes the university had, I don’t remember seeing many international students in there (except for one Korean girl in one of my environmental science classes). I never met a Chinese student that studied anything outside of business, electrical engineering, and accounting, aside from art. Although I know there is at least one Chinese professor in the Agricultural, Food, and Life Sciences department (which my major was in) I never had a class with him as a professor. I know he handles some of the doctoral dissertation stuff, though. U of Arkansas has a pretty nice Wal-Mart funded (the HQ is 30 minutes away) business college, so that’s what most of them are attracted to.

          • linette lee

            You are in luck. I studied chemistry back in University. My job is related to chemistry and I work in the biggest institute in USA. That’s all I can say. :)

    • lacompacida

      Where did you learn how to count ? 3 things to say ?

      • Mighty曹

        It’s a form of humor. If you really thought anyone is incapable of counting to 4 then the problem lies with you.

        • biggj

          I have 1 word for you mighty…..’keep it fucking real” hahaa

    • Cauffiel

      Oh, cute, you actually read it.

    • vincent_t

      yes for your question 1.
      A good welder could get a PR in some countries easier than a skilled engineer. Check Canada immigration policy.

      • Mighty曹

        Erm, ok.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    That pic with the naked baby is borderline pedophile.

    • Cauffiel

      Then 10% of my bus rides are borderline pedophile…. thanks for the update!

      • Irvin

        Metro rides too, last time some kid in beijing metro took a shit right on the train.

  • xmarkwe

    Let’s hope they are downplaying to their relatives what they are really being paid.
    Otherwise for sure someone, somehow is ripping them off.

    • xmarkwe

      But, I gotta say, nice story and nice comments …. love the one on “… and take me with you …”

    • Mighty曹

      That’s what I noticed too. I calculated and it appears to be only 1/4 of the average pay. (36rmb/hr does not even meet the minimum wage here). I think this is a case of ‘outsourcing’ with the cheap labor brought in to do the work.

      • biggj

        That would be “Insourcing” haha. Yeah 36 is like 6 Canadian $…Last time I make that I was 13 year old and got paid under the table. These guys must all work for the same chinese guy who is telling them they are living good and ripping them off. They wonder why they had to take a boat from china and land at night, and also why everything has to be in the bosses name that they buy…..seems legit. haha

        • Mighty曹

          I think “Insourcing” pays the same wage as locals/natives earn. Filipino nurses are the most ‘insourced’ workers in the US and Canada and they’re earning the same pay as Yanks and Canucks. They send home money they’ll never earn in a life time in the Philippines.

  • Jessika

    Any place that has white people everyone has to move to right?

    • biggj

      Pretty much. Even Serbia and places like that are great spots for chinese to move to.

      • vincent_t

        1.3 billion of population, which means almost 1 out 5 people on earth is Chinese. So expect to meet a Chinese for every 1/5 places you go…you can’t run away from ’em.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      How do you explain all them white rejects living in China now? (aka. some of the commenters here)

      • Hahahaha

        We come to fuck your young and beautiful women and make money off of the locals, then go home with smiles on our faces to our own countries. While you are stuck, lonely, old and broke ass poor in your shithole country until you die.

        • YourSupremeCommander

          Wrong Archie Bunker, you are a nobody back in wherever the fuck you are from. Going from a 99% to suddenly a 1% in China surely makes a reject feel good.

          – Common Sense

          • Hahahaha

            Jealous much?
            I pity you.

          • YourSupremeCommander

            Ashamed of yourself much? Ask your mom.

          • 上官

            In fairness, give the real ESL teachers a break. Though there are few of them in China. Most are exactly as you say, losers in their own countries. And that goes for the blacks holed up in China, too.

          • Claude

            Oh, this thread again. So I’ll repeat myself. My country has been taking China’s fuck-ups and destitute for 100 years it’s time for China to take some of ours.

            Shit, we even have your triads in our prisons and we can’t send them back to China because they’ll be “mistreated” in China’s prison system. That’s how wonderful my country is. China’s human rights are so atrocious we have to warehouse Chinese criminals.

            Gimme a break with your beef with ESL teachers. Fraudulent ESL teachers are the least of China’s problems. Your real estate bubble and infrastructure made from garbage should be your primary interest.

            If I were you, I would be doing everything possible to leave China. Pay(Bribe)who you have to to hide your money overseas because You’re screwed sooner than later. The English teachers can leave anytime and have a better quality of life working as waiters in America than 80% percent of the Chinese population.

            Post script.
            WAKE UP!

          • Beelzebub

            The blacks can do well in china, far better than being poor in africa is it not? I did not see any whities drinking 50 rmb bottles of heineken at the bar at guangzhou airport, only shock horror, BLACKS! go figure, they probably make more through trading than english teachers ever make!

          • I think, one day, we’re all going to have to stop and realize that none of the teachers you’re talking about (losers in their own country) actually give a shit about this labeling.

          • biggj

            If you are an absolute loser in your country and than come to china and can do better than 2/3 of the chinese people doing nothing. Shit, I would feel pretty good about myself and feel bad for China. haha Oh, and have random skanks trying to fuck you all the time. I mean that’s a losers dream. Like China is like a jackpot for losers.

            I understand why chinese people get a bit upset about that though. Imagine if chinese people got a free plane ticket, paid visa, free apartment, above average pay and only have to work 2 hours a day in Canada ,US or Australia somewhere like that. And this only applied to chinese people. hahaaha. White people would be fucking rioting. hahaha

          • Robert Rou

            Times are a changing, son. Haven’t ya heard? ;)

          • biggj

            What’s going to change? Some new visa laws or something? It hasn’t stopped people before.

          • Beelzebub

            So what? They would be chomping at the bit, this welder earns far more, yet he still has to take a pot shot at “foreigners”. The guy sounds like a RACIST to me, and deserves to be kicked out of a country such as australia.

          • biggj

            It’s not him saying it though, it’s his dad. But yeah I’m sure the guy in Australia thinks the same way. The shit apple don’t fall far from the shit tree.

          • Beelzebub

            a LOT of guesswork there my man

        • Irvin

          funny, that’s why we go to white countries too. It’s good to share isn’t it?

        • Monkeekong

          i like white countries too. i make $2000 US dollars a day

          • Beelzebub

            I call BS!

          • Monkeekong

            $2000 a day is nothing nowadays

        • Robert Rou

          Oh please. Some low-life with fantasies thinking he’s going somewhere. Get real. Back home, you’re some trailer trash redneck that nobody wants for sex nor for work. The fact China would accept such “immigrants” is an act of generosity far beyond comprehension.

          • Germandude

            “The fact China would accept such “immigrants” is an act of generosity far beyond comprehension.”

            Yes, for that China is known as “land of the helpful and sharing”…

          • Yeah I loved how tenderly they picked me up when my disheveled ass washed up on shore with the rest of the garbage.

          • biggj

            Chinese father and son fishing: ” lookie there pa!! It’s one of them there foreigners washed on the beach again. Can we keep him pa???can we??

          • It’s like that scene on Free Willy when they adopt that kid and show him his room. “We heard you guys like baseball and the color blue…” when they show me to this stereotypical boys’ room. They’re super caring and loving to me but I’m just a frustrated, punk little piece of shit that throws the baseball through the window and then facilitates the escape of a convicted felon whale.

            It’s been a while since I’ve seen that movie.

          • biggj

            Haha, Yeah shit last time I watched that I was like 12 or 13. But I remember the exact part your talking about though.Convicted felon whale hahaha

          • Haha why else would he be locked up? I mean, he’s a KILLER whale.

          • Robert Rou

            Again, what u doing there if you’ve got such a bright future back at home?

          • Germandude

            Not sure if I need to answer you but here it comes. My wife is Chinese. I am still young and enjoy getting to know other cultures and countries. Plus, I don’t dislike China or Chinese, so I feel it’s fun. Plus good salary.
            I also own a house in Germany and can get back to GER anytime I want, which I will sooner or later.
            You see? Reasons can be like people: diverse and not just shallow.

          • Robert Rou

            I do appreciate the response. It’s not needed necessarily, and my comments weren’t necessarily directed at you, but I am generally noting there are far too many so-called immigrants, tourists, and guests to China that do not act in good faith. China doesn’t need that and quite frankly it is an act of generosity to open doors for that, even if it is cultural exchange. Granted, there can be a lot of good immigrants, but there’s certainly more than the fair share of pedophiles, criminals, and rejects that seek fortune in a country that quite frankly doesn’t need such people.

          • Germandude

            Sorry, just asking for clarification because it confuses me. Did you also post under the name “Robert Rou”?

            The few bad guys that you call “so-called immigrants, tourists, and guests to China that do not act in good faith” are a very very small minority. They in fact are the exception rather than the rule.
            If you call it an act of generosity to open doors for foreigners, then you are ignoring the fact that it’s essential for any developing or developed country to open its doors for foreigners. For language and cultural exchange, business and simply (co)relation between its citizens. Just like in USA, ANY European country, Australia, Canada etc. And all those countries have far more foreigners than China. And not only the ones that participate, generate and contribute to those countries. I understand that this situation is new to China and Chinese, but you will learn over time. Stereotyping and generalizing like “Robert Rou” does, doesn’t help but is more disturbing.

          • Robert Rou

            “The few bad guys that you call “so-called immigrants, tourists, and
            guests to China that do not act in good faith” are a very very small
            minority. They in fact are the exception rather than the rule.”

            Perhaps there may be some alternate opinions of what constitutes “good faith”, but I’d be more inclined to take my experiences over what you state. Anecdotally, simply view the comment above mine. I’m not entirely sure I’ve heard some freshly-minted Mexican immigrant bragging about fuking married wives, however distasteful that may sound.

          • biggj

            I don’t understand why chinese get so upset with foreigners. Sure some act like fuckers, but that’s every country. There are not that many foreigners in china. Last time I checked there were like 600,000 living there. The number might be a bit higher than that but not much higher. Shit, there are more chinese in Vancouver than that. It’s not that big of deal. And with that number being so low and chinese visa laws are not that strict. Getting a chinese visa is a one day process. It’s not hard. Point is, there are not that many foreigners in china. And if you made visa laws like US and UK. There would be less then 10 foreigners in all of china.

          • Beelzebub

            Getting a chinese visa is a one day process. It’s not hard

            Not anymore, from Sept 1st, new laws come in. I am hearing there is a FIVE DAY WAIT for Z visas in HK now for some nationalities! This defies LOGIC!

          • biggj

            Well that’s Hong Kong.I’ve never had one done in HK. I know In Canada I uses an agent because I live 8 hours drive from the chinese visa place. And if you pay extra you can get it done next day. I was reading something about that it may be because there are adding new visa types and it might take longer. And something about finger prints and photos too now in HK, or maybe everywhere.

          • POS

            And the US is quite generous to educate 100s of thousands of Chinese students who would other wise be trapped in the archaic Chinese education system. Of course many of the students steal intellectual property of the universities, some thanks. Honestly the Chinese government should put the stars an stripes on the RMB as thanks to the US and west in general for helping them develop so quickly.

          • today

            well US should put Hu on their bills considering the billions of direct benefits (school and living expenses) and indirect benefits (how many stay in US and contribute to their economy) chinese students bring. Isnt it wonderful that the archaic chinese education system has produced student who are the ethnic minority in top 10 US schools? ps please don’t rebut by saying why all chinese students go to the us, there are many Australians, british, Indian etc. who go there as well.

    • KamJos

      Australia had Aboriginals before the Whites.

      • mr.wiener

        No one is denying it.

        • KamJos

          Never said anyone was. But it’s quite curious for someone to mention that.

  • Karze

    Only politicians and their families and big business can have good life in China. Average people doing welding and teaching can hardly dream of good life. No wonder Chinese join the party to get benefits unfairly from state.

    • Irvin

      To be fair you have to look at the larger scheme of things, china is actually still recovering, only a few years ago alot of the country’s citizen were still in proverty. Today they may not have the standard of living as other developed countries but at least most of the people are no longer hungry.

      And you’re wrong, alot of white and blue collar do have pretty good life in comparason to other developing countries. Going to clubs twice a week, buying every new iphones available, going on vacations during holidays.

      That’s more than we can say for countries like india.

      • Karze

        There is always excuses. China always boast of 5000 plus years of history and culture but when freedom and liberty are question then they say its only 20-30 years old.

      • Karze

        On one level agree that China is much better economically than many developing countries in Asia and Africa.

        But I always hate to hear the lies by Chinese officials and public always insisting that they have freedom and liberty like democratic countries.

        • Irvin

          I see everyone is going off point on this particular article.

      • Mighty曹

        At one stretch I was clubbing 3-4 nights a week every week but didn’t buy every new iPhone.

  • Cauffiel

    Every white-dominated English speaking country shut down immigration 101% from Chinese passport holders today…. change the world. Temporary problems created, long term problems solved. Boo yah. :-D

    • Chinese

      I assume this is hate speech you are spreading.

      Back up with some facts and statistics to make your proposal more appealing.

      • Cauffiel

        Your message makes absolutely no sense. The words make sense, it just doesn’t seem to pertain to what I wrote.

    • Robert Rou

      What’s going to happen when all the hardworking Chinese people go away, the engine of the economy falls through the floor, and the corruption from both government and the finance sector has caused a situation where where collectively everyone all of a sudden has several lifetime’s worth of debt to pay off?

      • It’s a world of competition to survive. There will be Indians willing to work harder for less. That’s the point of class difference that will keep the economy moving.

        • Robert Rou

          That’s if the Indians are willing to stick around to get taxed to death and to fix a problem that they didn’t create, all the whilst choosing to suffering long hours working in a job to *possibly* obtain a green card through a byzantine, shape shifting immigration policy over starting companies of their own in India.

          • At that population rate, and when a group is pushed to the edge, if that is all one can achieve given the conditions, why wouldn’t they?

          • Robert Rou

            It might make sense if the currency is worth the paper it’s printed on. Otherwise, I wouldn’t bet on it.

          • No worries, the feds will keep on printing and the illusion of worth will be the only thing that keeps things rolling.
            Edit: with the propulsion of debt that is.

          • POS

            Asians are the number one immigrants to the US now. We have our pick, Chinese immigration is fine but we don’t NEED them, there will always be plenty of Koreans, Japanese, Southeast Asians, Indians, etc wanting to come. You are mistaken if you think the West needs Chinese immigration, it is simply an option for us.

          • today

            yeah i’d love America to cancel that ‘option’ so that America losses billions of direct benefit from chinese students and immigrants

      • Cauffiel

        What in the world are you talking about?

  • vanyuelding

    locusts

  • Cauffiel

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha, I’m wasted right now and was just thinking about the protests of Japanese businesses because of the Diaoyu Islands last year, or earlier this year whenever it was, while their own government is tearing their assholes bleedingly wide open everyday. Christ, its so hilarious when you’re wasted. But they are so used to it that they disregard it as anything worth acknowledging. When is the last time the Japanese caused them problems? Before 90% of them were born? Hahaha, keep backing your busses up on freeways and raping your 7 year olds, morons. Oh lordy lordy lordy…. homework assignment! Biggj, yoursupremecommander, mighty, puma, get completely fall-down-tripping-over-your-own-feet wasted and read chinaSMACK, you’ll bust a gut laughing!

    • Irvin

      in other news, they censored pacific rim, the part where the jap girl speak japanese they changed it to english.

      I really don’t mind, but just a tad big curious to their rationale behind it.

      • Kai

        In the North American release, the scene where Mako is introduced has her and Raleigh speaking in Japanese. International releases have this scene dubbed in English. To the exception of France where all Japanese dialogues are subtitled even in french dubbed versions.

        From the “Alternate Versions” section of IMDB. Strangely, it’s only on my IMDB app, but not on the desktop website.

        • Irvin

          IMDB is working in china?

          • Kai

            Yeah, it was blocked for some time but unblocked quite awhile ago.

      • biggj

        The reason: It’s fucking Japanese!

  • “Foreigners are lazy, they don’t work on weekends but drive cars to play at the beach. Us Chinese people love money, so we work overtime on weekends whenever we can,” Wang Jinming says.”

    That’s cool. I would rather be “lazy” and enjoy my life than have a fortune I have no time to enjoy. Experience > Wealth…in my book, at least.

    • donnachadh

      When he says ‘foreigners’ he means non-Chinese people. For some reason many Chinese people think of these ‘foreigners’ as if they were a single ethnicity or nationality with homogeneous ethnic or national characteristics that can be meaningfully compared to Chinese national characteristics. These characteristics are the same whether the ‘foreigner’ is American, Japanese or Nigerian, and they contrast clearly with ‘Chinese’ characteristics.

      These ‘foreigners’ continue to be referred to as ‘foreigners’ even by many Chinese people visiting or living in one of their countries. A Chinese person who goes abroad is not a foreigner. Chinese people are always Chinese people, and being a Chinese person is the opposite of being a foreigner.

      • Damn it, I knew I should have put “this is a sarcastic joke” in parenthesis or something next to that edit.

      • Cauffiel

        Expertly explained.

        It’s true even in an official capacity. Every border crossing has the “Chinese Nationals” line and the “Foreigners” (not foreign nationals) line.

        • Robert Rou

          How is this different from any other country in the world, where lines for, say, an airport are segregated for citizens and non-citizens?

          • Chinese

            They are in fact similar, to those Chinese, knowing that you are non-Chinese is enough information for them.

          • Cauffiel

            I was only referring to the nomenclature.

        • Yeah, I’m pretty sure every country has “citizens” and “non-citizens” lines at their border crossings/customs. China just hasn’t learned that the word “foreigner” can sometimes, with really sensitive people, be offensive (rather than saying, for example, international student instead of foreign student).

          • Jen_in_NY

            Just because Americans are touchy about the word “foreigner” doesn’t mean the entire world needs to be, too, does it?

          • Nope! Absolutely not. That’s why I said that sort of word distinction is the territory of the really sensitive people, and not your average or even mildly sensitive types.

          • Cauffiel

            I was only referring to the nomenclature…. thats why I distinguished “foreigners” from “foreign nationals.”

          • Oh, my bad
            Well, no one ever said the Chinese were immune to translation issues

      • Chinese

        Very well explained.

        Being Chinese or foreigner is not about well you live (or nationality),
        it’s about being Chinese or non-Chinese.

      • linette lee

        You folks take the name “foreigner” too literally.

        I think for Chinese when they say foreigners it reallly just means that “people not from my country”. They are not really talking about location or geography.

        So it’s:
        我國人 = (my country people)the people from my country.

        外國人 = (foreign countries people)the people from foreign countries.

        That is just how Chinese talk. :)

        • Cauffiel

          donnachadh’s point is that its a simple minded way to talk because there are huge and meaningful distinctions between people from different countries. The way Mandarin handles that is a reflection of the “us vs. them” mentality of a whole lotta people here.

          New visa laws are an example…. its meant to combat foreign nationals from some countries who work here illegally or commit crime, but is causing huge problems for foreign nationals who are here doing legitimate work Chinese can’t do, because the law doesn’t distinguish between company’s-home-country liaison/QC guy and Russian hooker.

          Point is…. that might just be how Chinese talk, but the way you talk (or don’t talk) influences the way you think, and the distinctions between people from different countries is an important consideration.

          • linette lee

            ………but the way you talk (or don’t talk) influences the way you think…………

            simple minded way to talk are those who came up with the term ASIAN to all people from china, japan, korea, vietnam, indonesian, india…..etc …etc ..etc…. That is one freaking huge a55 simple minded way to differentiate half of the world population and countries with totally different cultures and skin color. They are all ASIANs. I wonder who came up with that.
            It like okay listen up people. There is the white folks and the rest are ASIANs. hahhaha….lol.

          • WoRPt

            Sorry to disagree with you here, but I think you’ve really over-simplified this debate. It’s not “just the way Chinese talk” but a way quite a few of them describe people. I don’t know if I’d go as far as to call it racist, but I would go as far as to call it ignorant. Living in China, most people don’t realize that I comprehend a vast amount of spoken Chinese. I’ve heard some of the strangest comments. If I’m drinking coffee, I’ll hear someone say “Oh, laowai like coffee.” If I have a beer with dinner, I hear, “Laowai like beer.” I’ve heard, “Laowai have big noses.”, “Laowai have money.”, “Laowai all have cars”, “Laowai can’t use chopsticks”, “Laowai can swim”, “Laowai like pizza”, … seriously, I could go on for hours. Just about every story in Chinasmack has comments like that from the Chinese netizens.

            Calling someone “Asian” is a descriptive term, to describe physical appearance, So are the terms “African American”, “Caucasian”, “European”, “Southeast Asian.”, “Native American (or in my case Canadian)”, or “Indian.”

            I don’t think “laowai” is racist. I generally don’t see much hating going around the word, but I do find it incredibly simple minded and somewhat ignorant.

          • Cauffiel

            When English speakers say “Asian” they mean “East Asian,” people with black hair, brown eyes, and epicanthic folds.

            Asia, and East Asia itself, does encompass a wide variety of languages and ethnicities, but East Asian countries (China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam) do have strong historic cultural/linguistic ties and a distinctive morphology.

            The word “foreigner” means “everyone outside of China.” NOW we’re talking about some vast differences. By saying “foreigner” you’re lumping in absolutely everyone who is NOT from China.

            I understand when Chinese say “foreigner” they usually mean “white guy,” but don’t you still say foreigner when referring to Arabs? Africans? Eastern Europeans? Indonesians? These groups were hardly aware of each other until a half dozen centuries ago.

            Chinese do sometimes use the word “Westerner” in English (and maybe in Mandarin, I don’t know) and this refers to a variety of languages and ethnicities in the same way the word “Asian” does, and also like the word “Asian,” it encompasses that variety of languages and ethnicities that have strong historic and morphological ties.

            The terms “Asian” and “foreigner” are not of equal presumption.

        • donnachadh

          Chinese people say 中国人 and 外國人 not 我國人 and 外國人. And even when 中国人 are abroad they take a little bit of the centre with them. There is no reciprocity in their way of thinking. They do not understand that they are 外國人 when they go to another country. It’s not surprising the Chinese regime criticises western ‘universalism’; they have there own alternative universalism on offer.

          • donnachadh

            Oops, didn’t mean to mix traditional and simplified. I was copying and pasting instead of switching to google pinyin, but then I had to switch to google pinyin to write 中国人.

          • linette lee

            We do use the term 我國人 meaning the people of my country. 中國人 simply means Chinese. I am just explaining what the word 外國人 means to many Chinese people and it don’t have much to do with location. 外國人 simply means people not from my country to the chinese people. They are not being rude or self centered. It’s just how they talk.

    • CHNinUSA

      I don’t know if anyone wants to know this, but when Chinese say 外国人”foreigners”, it doesn’t include Asian, especially the Japanese and Korean. In the Chinese mindsets, there are Chinese, foreigner, Japanese/Korean, other darker Asian in the world. And for most of the time foreigner represents a image of American(white or black)
      I know that is a really narrow view of the world, because there has been very limited access for ordinary Chinese to know people from different countries.

  • Chinese

    When you talk about immigration, the sh!t hits the fan.

  • linette lee

    You can wear extension. People with little hair can still do any hairstyle. Of course you have to go to the salon to get it done. I have lots of hair and they are very dry. I hate my hair too. I don’t need to wear any extension because my hair is full and long. But I think they are ugly. So dry. lol.

    http://i.ysi.bz/Assets/65/053/clair-beauty-hair-extension-long-wavy-L_p0015105365.jpg

  • don mario

    good for them. i just hope they learn some things. such as quality of life, and that owning a car doesn’t make you of a higher social class.

    and i also hope they know how to integrate within their community.

    • moop

      didnt they all move to like the same area? if so, i doubt they are integrating

    • vincent_t

      Not sure, sounds more like they are setting up a China Town there…boom!

      • don mario

        yea i just tried to write something positive, lol.

  • guest

    Normally, I’d find myself defending my belief that, no matter how you paint it, China is a less than desirable place to live. But today, I’m just going to say, “See above.”

  • Danderson

    “The life in a foreign country is completely differently from here. Wang Zhaosheng works 38 hours a week according to regulations, makes 36 yuan per hour.”

    That’s $6.60 AUD an hour. Our minimum wage is closer to $20 an hour. A teenager in McDonalds will earn more than $6.60. He’s being illegally exploited or it’s wrong. My guess is on the latter though could be wrong.

  • symon

    Im a welder/fabricator or (boilermaker) in Australia and yes the compensation is very good if you work in the right place. The city he was pointing to is Perth which is a mining hub with many blue collar jobs.
    The average pay for a ‘welder’ is 35-50 dollars an hour with 12 hour days 6 days a week, physically hard work but rewarding if you can handle it.
    But this wont last forever, in fact it probably wont last the next 20 years due to storm-clouds brewing on the economic horizon.

  • Beijinger

    This is such bullshit. Most Asians in America and other white majority countries live in quiet desperation and indignity.

    Sure, China is shit. But America/Australia/whatever isn’t paradise.

    • I dunno, man. I Google image searched a bit of Australia’s beaches and the US’s national parks…looks like paradise to me.

      • Cauffiel

        China’s got lots of wonderful landscapes…. I’ve never seen such beautiful scenery as I have in many places in China. It’s one of my favorite things about this place. But it makes me sick when I walk up a track on a mountain side and see piles of trash everywhere.

        • Oh I know, I’ve been to quite a few places around there. Stuff that looks really nice from afar, but you get into the middle of it and all you can see are signs humans having been there. Uncaring, littering, message-carving humans. But there are some pretty amazing places, indeed. Especially if you ever get out into Tibet.

  • Peye

    The grass is always greener on the other side. $Aus. 450 000 House with mortgage,two cars,two kids. $Aus 3000/M. Cutting it close. Keep welding mate and hope for the best. The fresh air outside is priceles and do not breath to many of the welding fumes.

    • The grass is greener probably due to the presence of more manure on the other side.

    • Harold Janson

      Basically. He’s sitting there with a high LTV mortgage in a suburb. 2 cars? nothing out of the ordinary… and in a place like that it’s a matter of survival.

      It’s all really just a different standard. If you go out to the burbs of a city in China with 2m people (Perth) or even 4m (Melbourne), you can get a big chunk of land for cheap and built a giant house for basically nothing. Having a car in China rarely is actually required, and if you go used, it’s also dirt cheap. To him, sure it’s an upgrade most definitely, materially better than what he could expect in China, and without a long wait and good on him for it. But in reality, it’s just barely making the median in a place where prices are honestly insane. As a personal choice though, good on him for it, hope he manages to be able to afford to retire and enjoy it.

  • markus peg

    Wow… WE have a nice story with nice Chinese comments to go with it…
    Yet this time its the China Smack commenter’ i find disappointing…
    Don’t be so negative people… lighten up..

  • Peach

    Green Cards? Since when did we have green cards here down under? :-S

  • KamJos

    450,000 dollar house and two cars after only two years on 3,000 dollars a month?

  • today

    Man I seriously cant stand these people boasting. I honestly cant stand these old grandpas having nothing to show off except showing off to their equally bored neighbours.
    no1- they’re just adding on to the misconception that anyone can prosper in a western nation. Sure people are given a chance to restart, but out of every 3 people that comes to Australia I would say 1 ends up regretting and the another unhappy.
    no2- its so irresponsible for them to act like as if they were truly earning 20000 monthly, life in Australia is EXPENSIVE!!- his son probably spends most of it buying basic household products
    no3- to those idiots who love criticising China and how anyone leaving could end up with a better life, it may be true. But do you really want to live in near solitary confinement probably without your children, do you want to spend your youth trying to learn another language?

    • Wow…really, your close minded expressions in bullet number 3 demonstrate how perfectly inept you are in social understanding in addition to the previous dodo bird way to see the govt and economics.

      Learning languages are a benefit and almost a luxury. Large scale wise….Languages facilitates ideas and exchange in growth and communication. Humanity in our world depends on cooperation to maintain itself, and its diversity to remain intellectually creative. Almost like the diversity of genes or just think if you only wanted one simplified language like in Orwell’s 1984, you will be the one excluding yourself from a diverse society.

      • today

        I love how you only critics my point number three and make no mention of the other two.
        Learning language is no problem. But Living in a country full time whilst not knowing how to speak its language properly and spending huge amounts of money to go there (so virtually no option to go back) I would imagine it to be a pretty daunting experience.

        • It’s call making an effort to learn. Even my family members learned English on their own just by the mere notion that if they live in a foreign country, they better know how so speak broken words and at least communicate. If the story above is so bad, that guy would’ve saved his AUDs and pack up to China because he made more money than he ever can in China. There is going back. You are just thinking its daunting because you are probably jealous to some levels of those who makes it better for themselves and the fact that these people have no patriotism.

          Those who seriously want to do well for themselves will make it. Those to clutch to their traditions, unwilling to work hard will not. Yes, that’s a lot of opinions on this guy’s boasting of his materialistic crap and its a result of long ingrained bitterness of being poor as many Chinese have endured.

          If you read my other posts, you will see that my opinions of this guy’s boasting is kind of stupid. But your patriotism is supremely skewed. My uncle and his family in Guangzhou is very much patriotic, cares about the govt, its economics and the environment doesn’t get so sour about others boasting.

          • today

            I’m not questioning that learning is a good experience. But as you said “they better they better know how so speak broken words and at least communicate” so would you classify that as a great experience if you had to spend 5,6 maybe more years doing that?
            And how does clutching to traditions correlate to not working hard? if anything I would say china has a long tradition of encouraging hard work.
            I am not bitter that he is successful, i’m happy for him but I think its GORSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE for him to make it seem like any average joe could immigrate and have a happy family, because they simply don’t.
            Yes my perspective might be skewed but that’s really hypocritical and actually I would say my language is more objective than 70% of the comments.

          • How is he irresponsible when other people can make their own judgement? Just because he seem to be very conveying. You are more delusional about your opinions than being objective about some guy’s perceived success and you formed a subjective view about people not being able to make it or would be better off staying home.. PUUUHHHLEASE.

  • furryoliver

    Maybe their families are living in a nice,clean environment, but those welders are sure not-breathing in all those toxic fumes as they weld all day. There’s a reason lots of Australians don’t want that job-it will put you in an early grave.

    • biggj

      A day welding in Australian is the same as being a Beijing doing nothing for one day. SO really there isn’t any difference, just a higher pay.

  • Who so many chinks?

    Stop sending out chinks and polluting the world! It’s a beautiful place without chinks.

  • ya mate, why ya have to work so hard? i don’t owe a bloody house, but thats fine mate i’m happy, yo gotta learn to just sit down with your bbq beer and your mates and enjoy some crickets.

    • Beelzebub

      True, and who really “owns” a house? If you are paying a mortgage, the bank own the toilet seat you put your rosy white arse/ass cheeks on, unless you have paid for it like the chinese in china, in cash, outright, and EVEN THEN, they only own it for 70 years…cannot leave it to neither MAN nor BEAST. Well said aussie footy mate!

    • mr.wiener

      You’re doing the ‘strine a bit too hard sport, I smell BS, unless you meant watching crickets , rather than eating crickets.

  • boo

    too many damn people

  • Derek Ball

    Dear Chinese readers.
    Please don’t come to Australia. We have enough Chinese here already.

  • Dave

    “Foreigners are lazy, they don’t work on weekends but drive cars to play at the beach. Us Chinese people love money, so we work overtime on weekends whenever we can,” Wang Jinming says.
    What sort of a country is Australia? Lets people talk that way about the locals, yet if a native Australia said that about the Chinese they’d be tarred and feathered.
    Last time I checked Australia was the rich country, China was the ‘developing’ country.

  • peewpeww

    the math seems a bit off…at 36 yuan an hour while making up to 20000-30000 yuan a month…maximum hours of work 38hrs…(36yuan*38hours)*5weeks= 6800yuan a month which means he must make 13000 yuan from overtime which is on avg 8-10 weekends per month. With over time pay at 1.5x which is 54yuan a hour which would mean he would have to work 240 hours overtime over the weekends.

    To simplify, he must work 38 max hours and work 24hrs a day over each available weekend assuming there is 10 weekends per month in order for those numbers to be correct.

  • Dom

    As an Australian who has lived in China for 3.5 years I say good on them, welcome to Australia. Work hard and make an honest living. Welding is no easy task and I’m glad it’s them doing it and not me.

  • daryl

    I do not believe this story at all. Superior welding skills my ass! No one in Australia will pay any welders that sort of money. Also Australia does not use the so-called Green Cards, thats American residency.

    Sounds like another fake internet story.

  • E8hffff

    It’s about scale of economy. You may make more money in western nations but you also pay much more for housing, food, transport, taxes, fines, fees, etc. Many people struggle in West too. I guess the difference is sheer poverty vs base standards. The base standards are better in west. China has better connective culture and family ties. People in West are materialistic and also Media propaganda promotes a broken family.

    • Mihel

      What’s connective culture? Like, using phones/internet/technology to keep in touch with other people?

      • E8hffff

        A good amount of Chinese are protective of their Nation. In West people have become more International which is a problem.

        • Mihel

          A good amount of Chinese are protective of their Nation.

          Is that a reply to my question?

          In West people have become more International which is a problem.

          “Becoming international” in the west is a bonus, not a problem. Maybe it’s a problem somewhere else though.

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