Differences Between Chinese Men and ‘Laowai’ Foreign Men

An Asian woman between an Asian man and a non-Asian man.

The following is a translation of a popular 2012 post on major Chinese discussion forum Tianya that relates one Chinese man’s thoughts, findings, and advice on Chinese women dating foreign men, including the differences between Chinese and foreign men, especially when it comes to successfully picking up girls.

Due to the length of the original post, our translation has been split into four parts. Below is Part 1:

From Tianya:

From a laowai‘s own mouth, how to get girls for just 17 yuan, China girls, please don’t earn the reputation of being “free” in laowai circles

I just came back from abroad, and I keep hearing my Chinese male compatriots in China say our Chinese girls are relatively materialistic, practical [vs. idealistic], and gold-digging, that its impossible for men without an apartment/house to get married, that one can’t find a girlfriend if they don’t spend money, that its easy to be dumped just for failing to give gifts to one’s girlfriend every holiday etc. etc. etc.

But frankly speaking, I have no serious objections to this, because I think actually all women throughout the world are materialistic. After all, who doesn’t like rich and capable men? American women are the same, European women are the same, they all favor rich men, and it’s always easy for generous men to find girlfriends.

But what left me flabbergasted was that I also know a lot of laowai who are fooling around in China and they tell me China has a lot of “free girls” who don’t want any money and only want to go to bed with them, who want to marry laowai even if it means paying instead of getting money [to the foreigner], and who will take even the poor, the old, the fat, the disabled, as long as they’re laowai.

For laowai in China, the success rate for getting girls is around 50-100 times higher than those of local men, and the women that our compatriots can spend thousands or tens of thousands on but can’t get laowai can get with just a cup of coffee. Many of male compatriots are extremely angry over this, so let me share the ways laowai pick up girls and the reasons they succeed easily. You guys should also find your own shortcomings, and not just blindly complain.

In addition, I want to make it clear that I am not against my fellow female students [referring to others as “fellow students” is common in casual Chinese speech] sleeping with laowai, but your sleeping [relations] should be of value, meaning, tactful, and fruitful, for example Ms. Wendi Deng and the Facebook owner’s girlfriend. These are all women who have made achievements from sleeping with laowai, unlike some female compatriots in China, who sleep around blindly, sleeping without meaning, sleeping while paying money for it, sleeping too eagerly, sleeping with nothing to show for it, ultimately tarnishing the image of Chinese girls, leaving in laowai circles the impression of being “free”, “cheap” and “SB”. China is after all a big and important country, so when female compatriots sleep with those black, white, or any color laowai, you should still be mindful of your image and the consequences.

So then, why is it that Chinese girls are more easily picked up by laowai while our own compatriots have difficulties even approaching them? The reasons are plenty, but let me talk about some of the differences between laowai men and Chinese men, and everyone can improve where they are lacking and those who aren’t lacking can keep up the good work but I hope everyone can improve their ability when it comes to picking up girls. Also, I hope girls will be more careful/conscientious and don’t give foreigners the impression that Chinese girls are stupid and brainless allowing them to sneer at us.

1. The first reason is experience. With anything, practice makes perfect, and picking up girls is the same. In the West, young people start dating and losing their virginity at around 14 years old, but for many in China it is 20 years old or even later, so first the starting point is already different. Laowai have 10 more years of experience on Chinese men, and during those 10 years, laowai have already dated multiple girls, getting to know the minds and G-spots of women like the back of their hands, having experienced cohabitation, abortion, drugs, and promiscuity, whereas Chinese people during this time are still in school studying hard, warned by the teachers and parents against premature love [dating too soon].

In other words, when laowai men reach their early twenties, their experience with picking up girls, dating, and having sex are already at what Chinese men would have in their early thirties. Chinese girls are the same too, no experience at the beginning of their 20s, whereas laowai are already seasoned veterans.

So when Chinese girls develop a relationship with or go on a date with a laowai, they are already not on the same level in the first place. Then add on that, for whatsoever reason, age-gaps abound in international relationships, which leads to even greater differences in intelligence, experience, and standards. Under these circumstances, it’s very easy to be taken advantaged of and deceived.

2. Many Chinese girls don’t understand the art of sleeping, and therefore get derogatorily dubbed “easy girls” and “free girls”.

The laowai who come to fool around in China can all be described with one word, “shrewd”. The girls who fool around with laowai, many can only be described with two words, “SB”.

Are there fools/idiots among laowai? Yes, but those fools normally would not come to China. They all stay in their home countries. The laowai in China are one and all adept with the skill of picking up girls without having to spend money. This I’ll talk about this later in this article.

First let me tell you guys what kind of people the laowai who come to China are. Let’s not say “LOSER”, but they are a group of laowai who are all quite shrewd and materialistic. Only they would come to China. It’s like asking you to leave China, to go to Africa to make money, would you be willing to go? The average person would not be willing to go. Only those people who are adventurers, shrewd people, and really want to make money will go.

What do Chinese men value when it comes to marriage? Ordinarily the first thing is outward appearance. Height, appearance, educational level—in other words, someone they can be proud of “taking out of the house” [someone who reflects well upon them to others].

But laowai–especially the laowai in China–aren’t particular about these things. They don’t care about a girl’s appearance, nor do they care about empty things like educational level or birthplace, only caring about her practicality, that she can make money, raise children, do housework. So many laowai like girls who look strong and thick, because they can work hard and endure hardship after all. Having a life with this kind of girl would be more leisurely and less worrisome. Especially when it comes to finances, while laowai abroad don’t care, laowai in China are very calculating about that.

If you don’t believe me, just pay attention to the laowai in China around you who have married Chinese girls, and see which kinds of girls they’ve married. Basically they are all girls who are capable of making money, from rich families, or at least are financially independent.

At least the ones I know are all like this. An American guy married a Shanghai girl whose father owns a company; a French guy married a girl, and this girl owns three clothing stores herself; a German guy married a girl, and this girl’s father has a factory in Dongguan. The other laowai, if the women they married aren’t really good at making money, then she at least are very good at doing housework, adept at doing the laundry, cooking, etc., and can be treated like female servants.

Which is to say, those girls who are relatively poor can stop dreaming of marrying those China laowai, [because] the probability is fairly low.

So many girls that fancy laowai and have been tricked, bedded, and dumped still can’t figure out the reason: I love him so much, but how come he doesn’t want me?

To be frank, it is because you don’t have money, that you’re not able to be independent enough financially, so the shrewd laowai in China will only have casual fun with you.

Chinese men are SB for being too direct. Many of them even ask on their first meeting, “What’s your salary? Is your danwei [work unit, workplace] doing well?”

This very easily annoys girls, and is also very impolite.

But laowai are very shrewd. No matter how many times you and him have gone out, he will not ask about your income, but he will secretly pay attention to the caliber of your clothes and other purchases, to discern if you have a relatively high income, or if your family is rich.

Laowai in their home countries are not like this. They like playful and fun girls with whom they can hang out, chat, and sleep with, not really considering the financial aspect.

But the laowai who come to China, some are losers, which is to say they have no job, no house, not even a car, or even in debt in their own countries. Of the remainder, some are money grubbers, who came to China to start businesses and make money, so they are not willing to consider girls from poor families…

English handbook on Chinese phrases for sex, love-making, and making out.

3. Laowai and Chinese men spend money on different things.

Laowai can be very poor but they still have very high consumption, even surpassing how much they earn. Chinese men usually give you the impression during the first few dates that they are stingy, not as high-class as laowai are, not wearing brand name clothes and even taking the girl to dirty and filthy small restaurants.

But the actual reason is that Chinese men save their money, saving it so they can buy you a house and car in the future, to be spent on their wives. Whereas laowai don’t save money, their monthly incomes used for eating, drinking, having fun, and picking up girls. They basically live from paycheck to paycheck.

Laowai are indeed more generous. They usually will take a girl to upscale restaurants, or if not at least a Starbucks. Many Chinese girls will very easily be attracted by this, feeling that laowai are classy, have taste, thinking if they stay with the laowai, their future life will always be like this.

But the reality is, taking you to upscale restaurants happens only before getting you into bed. This is the capital they invest. Laowai will not keep treating you to meals, because they only have so much money, which they have to spend on many other different girls. Therefore, as soon as they get you, they will start saving money with you, to invite other girls to upscale restaurants.

Some laowai treat 6 or 7 different girls to meals in a week, so don’t even think about them giving you gifts or buying a house to marry you.

Laowai in China treat all women as short-term, diversified investments. They’re not going to invest everything on you alone.

4. Laowai and Chinese guys differ in terms of online dating skills.

Many Chinese men are very SB and direct, especially on the Internet. Some Chinese men see a girl dressed relatively sexy and directly ask, “Young lady, how about a one-night stand? I’m 18 centimeters long.” And the result of which is being cursed and spat on.

When it comes to hitting on girls, laowai emphasize art and skill, when actually their goal is simply to get you in bed, but they will do their best to give you a comfortable and natural impression, making sex seem like a natural progression.

When a Chinese man gets horny, he’ll say vulgar low-class things, for example: You are so sexy. Can you be my lover?

When a laowai gets horny, he’ll say lofty high-class things, even according to different situations, even though his goal is the same, such as:

  1. The friendly approach, which is also the most often seen. A laowai will write an email saying: Hello, you look like an easygoing and cute girl. I am a French man, who just came to China. I really like China’s culture. Can we be friends? Or language exchange. You teach me Chinese, and I will teach you French.
  2. The flattery approach. A laowai will write an email saying: Hello, the most beautiful girl in China. When I first saw you, my breath was taken away, I couldn’t believe my eyes, I was floored by your beauty. You’re simply a sexy goddess, a fairy who combines both spirit and beauty. For you, I’d be willing to do anything, I’d even kiss your feet.

These two approaches are the most often seen, and they’re also the approaches most irresistible to Chinese girls. I saw with my own eyes a laowai friend writing messages to girls on a social network, using these approaches. With girls that looked more conservative, he’d use the friendly approaching. With girls that looked more sexy and liberal, he’d use the flattery approach, fooling countless women.

Many girls upon seeing these kind of messages will immediately have a favorable impression towards the laowai, thinking the laowai is very romantic, elegant, and totally different from those vulgar Chinese guys. So they meet, have sex, and then are dumped.

More often than not, even after those girls are dumped, they still don’t understand the truth behind being dumped, thinking: Is there something about me that isn’t good enough? What did I do wrong?

The truth is, it is not you who did anything wrong, nor are you not good enough, but that it was a ruse from the very beginning. Doesn’t matter if it was the friendly type, the romantic type, the chivalrous type, or the gentleman type, most laowai make friends on social networks for the sole purpose of sex, for one-night stands, to use these girls to satisfy their physiological needs.

If you thought the laowai was enamored with you, wanted to make you his girlfriend, wanted to marry you, then you’re simply a SB.

5. Laowai in China are generally not willing to get married. One very important reason is simply because Chinese girls are poor, and going out means spending their [the laowai's] money. However, if you are from a rich family, laowai will see you differently.

The richer a laowai is, the less willing he is to get married. What kind of laowai in China are most willing to get married? Generally they are English teachers. These laowai are very poor, where they feel even rent is a heavy burden, so they hope to find a girl to split the financial burden, to pay rent together, to lessen the stress in their lives.

What I suggest is that the Chinese girls who genuinely like laowai should marry abroad [or marry to go abroad].

One of my friends said it well: Ever since China opened up, beggars have disappeared from the streets in the West.

Especially with the current economic crisis in the West, unemployed laowai who are unable to find jobs all want to come to China to make a living, and the large influx is worth our increased vigilance.

Don’t be fooled by foreign beggars, who also go around saying Chinese people are SB, that Chinese girls are cheap or free.

I suggest that Chinese girls be more realistic, materialistic, and smart when dating laowai.

Also, learn from those shrewd laowai. Don’t continue being a SB, without an end in sight.

Why do I understand laowai attitudes, habits, and behavior patterns so well? Very simple, I have a lot of foreign friends. Among them there are also some honest and dependable people, “as rare as the hair of a phoenix and the horns of a kylin” [Chinese idiom], but the majority of the laowai in China are ultimately unreliable.

In Part 2, the original poster provides examples and conversations he’s had with his foreign friends. Part 3 features what the original poster believes are myths Chinese women have about foreign men. Part 4 translates a collection of netizen comments reacting to the overall post.

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  • nutkick

    sofa ?

    • Brushka

      No

  • nutkick

    sofa

  • Guest

    so fa blah blah blah

  • linette lee

    Why china women sleep with laowai?

    GREEN CARD

    • 88god

      is that why you slept with a laowei =)

    • hess

      I dunno about that, my partner is rich enough to move to any country she wants, with our without me.

    • radbab

      Many EU countries don’t give automatic citizenship any more. too many abuses in the past. marriage = passport/green-card isn’t working any more.

    • donkeykong

      Why china women sleep with chinese men ?

      MONEY

    • Gaius Baltar

      What bloody rubbish, there is no such thing as a GREEN CARD in the UK. A chinese women would either get a passport, or a permanent page in their passport allowing to remain indefinitely or for x amount of years. If you think chinese woman sleeping with a “foreigner”=green card, you need help. Also you come from Hong Kong which has racial discrimination laws, I would have thought you knew better than to use a racist term which more or less translates as “old outsider”. Not to matter another decade or so, and Hong Kong will just be a southern part of guangdong and greater shenzhen.

    • Gaius Baltar

      This picture from your own underground system should help you get it clear in your head.

    • BiggJ

      Why do china woman sleep with chinamen???

      TOOTH DECAY and the evil GINGIVITUS

    • Germandude

      Why linette lee is sleeping with anybody?

      LV bag or BMW car.

  • TrickyNishidake

    She forgot to mention that white guys have large penises.

    That’s the most important reason.

    • Brushka

      Black guys have even larger penises,

      • JEAH

        All that matters is that Chinese has the smallest ding dongs.

        • linette lee

          how you guys know that? You laowai slept with chinese men?

          • JEAH

            Who needs to sleep with Chinese men?

            Chinese men with their small penises are common knowledge. That’s why they can only sleep with Chinese girls until Chinese girls meet hot white guys like me. Then they see the difference where it counts and it’s another permanent convert. No wonder why so many Asian girls commit suicide, their men look like women and pretty much have clitorises.

          • Germandude

            Wow, you da man bro. I pay you some virtual respect, for which you can get….well nothing, but you appear to be a tough guy. Awesome!

          • JEAH

            I’m not a tough guy. I’m pretty normal, even small. But that already makes me better than any yellows.

          • linette lee

            If you are better than yellow then why are you sleeping with yellow. Are you a retard?

          • mr.wiener

            Apparently “once you’ve had white nothing else is alright”.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            The first time you’ve had yellow is the first time your moans will tremolo.

            Your rainbow color below.

          • linette lee

            hahaha….you are so crazy. lol.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            once you had blue nothing will do

            thats what she said

          • linette lee

            she is scary.

          • loki

            Linette, because its sooooooo easy.. If you went out side and people were handing out free money you mean to tell me because you don’t like the color pink, you wouldn’t take the 100RMB bills they were handing out ?

          • Choonage

            LOL if only JEAH had as many brain cells as he does sperm cells.

          • Bumblebee

            Awesome answer!

          • Chen

            Jeah, You are probably some dumbass retarded backwards inbred trailer monkey. Do something you’re good at: like getting ass fucked by your uncle daddy.

          • loki

            Chen, spoken as if you have experience in these types of things. good for you !!

          • Chen

            What a retarded response. Just because I know a fucking monkey will throw their own shit around means I have experience with those types of things?
            Why don’t you stop projecting? This isn’t a support group.

          • Hey

            Ehh I have seen a lot of dongs in my days. (not going into the circumstances) I have not seen a huge difference. In my experience Asians maybe have a lower average size, but in the end you are talking like a half an inch (that is a shaky maybe). Black dudes and white dudes are all over the charts some are mammoths some are flies, but most are within the same general range. (Maybe black dudes do have big ones, that’s what people say, but I haven’t seen it.)

            What I have noticed is this. Asians have unusually large bushes that make them look smaller, whites have medium sized bushes that make them look well somewhere in the middle, blacks have small curly bushes and narrow hips that make them look bigger. All this in the end has little to do with actual erect sizes, but it may explain that general misconception.

            To top this all off I don’t think that is the most important thing. (this is not me saying this to feel better about any shortcoming I may have, mine is “larger” and that is all I will say) I’m just saying that for most women as long as you got a normal one (and 90% of all men do in all racial categories) they care more about you skill and confidence. You guys should be comparing tongue sizes instead.

            I think this statement is wishful thinking on your part Jeah. I can just see you boning some desperate girl saying to yourself “she just wants my huge dong” (yeah a chance to pretend your 5 incher is huge) While she’s thinking “is this guy handsome or not is he nice or not I can’t tell through the racial, cultural, or language barrier. Ohh well I’ll pretend this is fun to keep things harmonious.”

          • mr.wiener

            That was…..informative, maybe a little more informative than I really wanted to read, but kudos none the less,
            Perhaps Chinese men could start investing in pubic hair styles to accentuate what they have “down there”. You could have the “starburst” , the “Charlie Chaplin” the “monobrow” or the “follow the arrow girls!” just to name a few. I see a new trend starting for some ambitious young business person, and all you need is experience a pet clipping.

          • Bumblebee

            Gosh! Soooooooo true! So true!

          • Butsu

            This, so much this!

          • SuperHappyCow

            “narrow hips”
            What? Where did this come from? Who the fuck are you?

          • knowit

            Pin dick is all you have to offer. You have no self esteem at all.

          • Bumblebee

            What a disgusting comment!

          • BOB

            I would bet my life “JEAH” is a Chinese troll.

          • Dent

            Russian women would love to. Google ‘Russian women marrying Chinese men’. Such marriage happen a lot in north east China.

          • SuperHappyCow

            How does such a stupid fucking comment have 10 upvotes?

          • Dent

            There’s plenty of Russian girls who marry Chinese men in north east China.

          • BigCAD

            Gym changing room braaa. Can I ask why do Chinese dudes blow dry their pubes after taking a shower?

          • Taddious

            DUDE! You just made me crack-up in the office.. Oh my god.. seriously… LOL

          • Hey

            Once again because they are hairy down there.

            There bodies are smooth as babies from the waist up then bam it’s like a horse tail in their cracks and an afro wig in their groin..

          • maybeabanana

            Cracka lackalack lol. I think it is generally true for men minus the smooth baby bods.

          • hess

            Or why they walk around pulling their penises in the changing room, that was quite akward

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Wait… there is a “changing room”?

          • Gay Azn Boi

            Back in high school I used to love going to the change room after gym class with all the jocks. True story.

          • Rick in China

            It’s a gym – that’s just penile exercises.. pulling may eventually lengthen, like old lady’s earlobes drooping after decades of wearing heavy earrings.

          • loki

            OH Shit, your right I completely missed that your so right, I would also like to know that? Anyone got that answer please let me know?
            So weird to see chinese guys standing at the morror with the damn blow dryer on their crotch…

          • Markoff

            ehm, there is thing called Gym or swimming pool and when going there you must change clothes and see those bad chinese jokes hidden somewhere deep in bush

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Good to know cross-cultural anthropological research is being conducted at all times.

            Are you always the first one to notice when someone else has dropped the soap?

          • kingbails

            Yeah thanks for the in depth cock analysis much appreciated

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            I wasn’t the one who brought up “depth”.

            As overheard, I believe it is “girth” that makes the difference.

          • loki

            yeah right, is that what your girl tells you so you can sleep at night?

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            My girl? Is that what your girlfriend is calling herself now?

          • SuperHappyCow

            “My girl? Is that what your girlfriend is calling herself now?”

            Snap, son.

          • Hey

            I Just can’t help myself. ;)

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Why would you?

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            ” You laowai slept with chinese men?”

            Some do. It’s a “thing”. But I’ll let someone else field that question.

          • Lea

            I m a foreign girl. I did sleep with a Chinese guy:) What’s the point of the discussion?

          • loki

            Lea, This is not for you, nothing to see here just move along..

          • SuperHappyCow

            2 downvotes for a girl having her own opinion about her sexual desires.

            this site is pretty annoying sometimes.

          • Butsu

            There’s a lot of laowai with the same avarage leanght and girth as that of some asian men. Why don’t peolpe know this? Trust me, it’s tough doing one night stands here when the expectation is sky high. ;___;
            Or you’re at the other side of the spectrum like my good friend, too big.

          • loki

            linette, you know it! my Grandma knows it! My 5 year old nephew knows! Come on the whole damn world knows it. I am in the Gym 5 days a week, The locker rooms are filled wall to wall with grown men with pubic hair longer than their little brothers. Its embarrassing when adult men are trying to look a my junk, because its Huge compared to anyone in the room. I am not huge by any means.

            Remember: the man with one eye is king! In the land of the Blind…

          • mr.wiener

            My one-eyed blind man is king in my house.

          • Cheddy

            saw in a sauna

          • http://picasaweb.google.com/kilroy238 Kilroy238

            Don’t you know men( well men who run governments) spend millions of dollars every year hoping to find out their dongs have gotten longer?

            http://bit.ly/Penis_study

        • mythicallie

          Laowei come to China to flex their white racism and masculinity. Because at home they are losers and can;t hide it.

          The ones who on the receiving end are the Chinese men and the women. Both are victims in a different way.

          BTW the penis thing is a myth, it’s a another piece of unproven racism from westerners.

          Laowei and Blacks think Penis size is everything but it is infact the most worthless value on earth.

          Haven’t women told you this? they must be lying to you.

          • loki

            its soooo not a myth, go to a gym some day and you would never say such BS again, oh unless your chinese of course.

          • Kate

            Have women told you that? They must be lying to you too 0_o

          • BiggJ

            That is what people with small dicks say…..”BTW the penis thing is a myth, it’s a another piece of unproven racism from westerners.

            Laowei and Blacks think Penis size is everything but it is infact the most worthless value on earth.

            Haven’t women told you this? they must be lying to you.”

          • Rusty

            You and Jeah should have brunch together.

          • Rusty

            They are not lying to him. There are just imaginary.

    • Rainer

      The most important reason for you laowai to find Chinese girls is, logically, your white women all have “loose pussy” because of your “large penises”.
      That why I say God is great, since you cannot have all.

      • maybeabanana

        Wow this sounds as ignorant as that *named JEAH.

    • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

      This small penis debate is so retarded that it fails any logical scientific explanation. Its nature stupid. Chinese women have small vagina. Its not like Chinese women have a vagina size of African women. Its DNA, the nature makes sure both male and female have compatible sexual organs.

      It would be horrible if African men have small penis and African women big vagina and vice versa. Chinese penis are compatible with vagina size of Chinese women. Period. Go to science class first before making unscientific assumptions.

      • Irvin

        I’d like to find a women with smaller vaginas but alas………..I’m chinese. Maybe I should go to korea.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        You have just summarized the plot of the worst porno ever.

        It’d be a Benetton ad in which no one would climax but everyone else would be nodding their heads or shrugging their shoulders if they weren’t busy finishing each others sentences like Troi and Data on Star Trek.

      • Markoff

        i guess you are virgin, otherwise you would know vagina can accommodate basically anything, my CN GF of average CN height has no problem to accommodate my european larger size
        fact – vagina of any women can accommodate basically any penis, fact 2 – chinese penises are short…

      • BiggJ

        A Vagina is like a baseball glove. It has to get worn in. And if it’s getting worn in by a big cock, then after that Chinese can’t do anything to it.

        • Rusty

          You are the biggest asshole in here. I wish you to get enlarged with a baseball bat, and the sooner the better.

        • mr.wiener

          I never saw a VAGINA LIKE A BASEBALL GLOVE. and hope I never do.

      • SuperHappyCow

        Having been with plenty of women I can tell you that Chinese women don’t have tight vaginas, and African women don’t have big vaginas.

        I can also tell that you’re a fucking moron and completely unqualified to give any insight into anything, let alone the size of “different” women’s vaginas.

      • Kate

        You’re an idiot. It’s a fact that vaginas come in pretty standard size, most vaginas, regardless of race, are medium sized, some are a little bit bigger, some a little bit smaller (the difference is negligible). Race has ZERO effect on vaginal size, however things like child births and keagel excersises do. It’s purely myth that asian women have smaller vaginas, and that myth is based on how asian women are smaller, then they must have smaller vaginas. This is an idiot’s reasoning and very prejudicial. Race has nothing to do with vagina size or depth (in actuality very little research has even been done on the topic as well, but what they have done, it’s found that race has had no correlation to vaginal differences). Don’t sit there, all pissed off at white guys bragging about penis size and dismissing it as “myth” then turn around and manage to give the same stupid, prejudice argument about vaginas, which i doubt you have any idea about.

        • Rusty

          They teach the Chinese about China. What makes you think they can’t teach girls about lady parts. And the man went to science class. Come on Kate. Let the nice man teach you about girls.

  • challo

    AM a laowai and i want to say that this story is soooooo very true,the writer whoever you are,you should go ahead and write a book,or better shoot a short movie.its so heartwarming to once in a while read a factfull, well researched story.you have made me smile and laugh out loud alone reading this,am eagerly waiting for part 2 and 3,i hope they will be even more telling.go ahead good writer.spill the beans.congratulations!

    • Germandude

      Good. I upvoted you because I smell the irony and sarcasm here. Kudos

  • Archie

    Racist.

  • USA

    i’m a laowai too and everything said is TRUE.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      Keep working on your capitalization, your English is nearly there.

    • MonkeyMouth

      true, as in false

      • Rusty

        that’s one way to see it

  • Alby

    What an amount of bullshit! Only one point is true: on average, chinese men don’t know how to nicely treat women.
    If the air wouldn’t be so polluted I’d stay in China longer to teach you guys!

  • Chu Li

    It’s ok. When i went out with laowai, they normally went after the less unattractive chicks or they just like different type of girls compare to Asians.

    • Markoff

      you are right, western taste is usually different from chinese, so guys are not actually competing, so really don’t understand point of articles like this trying to make people fighting with each other

  • Appalled@everything

    From the mouth of a laowai? What was? This seemed to have been entirely from the mouth of some Chinese guy with an agenda, and WOW, talk about inflammatory and biased.

    I would be pretty angry if I were a gullible Chinese man and read this article.

    That said, As a foreign man and former ‘ex-pat’, I am equally angry with the branding this writer has given all foreign men.

    Foreign men usually not willing to get married? Care to back that up with evidence?

    Basing the experience of getting a girl into bed on how little the man needed to pay? Why, because you assume it to be so?

    The art of sleeping? say whatnow?

    It is offensive. If Chinese guys read this and believe it, it will worsen the already bad reputation laowai’s have in China. If Chinese girls read this and believe it, it will make them think that men only want to sleep around, and nothing more, and that a coffee leads to sex, a chat leads to sex. A language exchange leads to sex, a hello in an elevator leads to sex. Nonsense, written by a scared and pathetic individual.

    Whoever wrote this is seriously jealous and jaded and resentful. Oh, and every single stereotype described here is grossly exaggerated.

    I sure am glad that I met and married the girl of my dreams (who is a Chinese) before idiots like this started their anti-foreigner vendetta.

    • Germandude

      Dude, 100% agree with you. The whole fucking article is just a huge brainfart of a simpleton.

      • vincent

        OMG the guy who wrote this article needs some ‘re-education’ China style!

        • Red Scarf

          The person who wrote this article is Chinese and people on here seem to be forgetting that.

          “The following is a translation of a popular 2012 post on major Chinese discussion forum Tianya that relates one Chinese man’s thoughts”

          I.E its a Chinese man’s view on why foreigners in China do well with girls. It has nothing to do with what a REAL foreigner in China will think. For all I know it simply could be written as a rant against foreigners. Just because it says “From a laowai‘s own mouth” doesn’t mean that he knows what all foreigners in China are thinking.

          • Red Scarf

            Ophs misread Appalled@everything post…

          • rollin wit 9′s

            You know I read that it was a foreigner that said it but the whole time reading the article there was the image of a disgruntled chinese man in my head. He had on a red coat haha!

          • Rick in China

            I think the “from a laowai’s own mouth” was *only* talking about the comment about getting a girl for 17 RMB, ie. a cup of coffee story… not the entire article.

      • Rusty

        Thank God for blessing the world with non-simpletons like you to raise the average IQ with enlightening comments. Anyone feeling angered or insulted by this article has some serious thinking to do. Less commenting, more getting out of China.

        • David

          You don’t speak English, then get out of Amurrrrica!

          Oh wait, that’s stupid, and so is your “enlightening” comment.

          • Rusty

            You seem angry ><
            Consider me saddened.

          • David

            I’m just so sick of the whole “if you don’t like this aspect of country X, then get out of country X” argument. It’s such an oversimplification of the situation, and such a trite response. Social change only comes about by people NOT leaving the countries that frustrate them.

            What if someone had been like. Yo Deng Xiaoping…you don’t like the direction the CCP is going in the PRC? Well why don’t you GTFO??? China doesn’t want you! HAHAHA.

          • David

            Don’t want to personally sadden you, of course :) My apologies

          • Rusty

            You also are oversimplifying my point. Actually my whole point of going at war with those losers. China and the rest of the world obviously have a lot to bring to each other. But look at the comments, the smart-asses, the “my d**k is bigger than yours” comments, the “I f***ed your mama” jokes. You just don’t go in a foreign country and laugh at people who feel uneasy with it. This is their home. Foreigners in China are not the dagger’s tip for a “open new world”. And the arrogant foreigners here are definitely not it. They are parasites. No more no less. If internet used to be considered full of garbage because of online porn, now it is because of this incredibly stupid invention: The Comment.

          • moody

            You complain a lot about troll’s comments.
            Aren’t there any comments of the sort on Chinese forums ???
            Relax please, assholes will always be assholes, no matter where they are from.

            And as for parasites, Please remeber that my country host more Chinese than China host foreigners.
            And nobody go around calling them parasites.
            yet they enjoy free healthcare for them and their relatives -even chinese nationals- FOR FREE.

            “Internet full of garbage because of internet Porn” ????
            Wow, you surely swallowed that “Green Damn” pill alright

          • Rusty

            Never witnessed so much arrogance and disrespect from any Chinese abroad, in real life as well as in forums.

            And again stop generalizing, the ones I call parasites are a specific type of foreigners in China, actually the accidental central target of Chinasmack and its team which obviously doesn’t measure how many Chinese would be disgusted having their opinions translated and fed to unbelievably condescending morons.

            And there is nothing wrong with being idealistic. But I guess I am fighting against what people call (and mostly use as an excuse) human nature?

          • stvgl

            The difference is, a citizen or at minimum a very long term resident can have a fairly good picture of the whole situation and can criticize. Yet the people living in the country for a few years don’t have such right because simply they don’t understand even half of it.
            Americans are the worst offenders of them all in this matter. They tend to have a lot of comments regarding the countries they temporarily inhabit, yet, try questioning the bullshit patriotism 99% of Americans have toward their troops in a senseless and oppressive war – zero tolerance regarding criticism.

        • moody

          I don t think anyone here feels insulted.
          Bow legged reasonning doesn’t go far.

          But i think it’s quite legitimate to feel angered.

          Spreading lies that further a stereotype that’s all but true.

          • Rusty

            If they didn’t feel insulted and targetted, they wouldn’t be here defending themselves.
            What is true is that perverts don’t like being labelled as perverts.
            And even if that article was generalizing, there is no smoke without fire.

          • moody

            Title of the article

            Difference between Chinese men and Foreign men

            Don’t see how they/we could not feel targeted.

            Insulted I don t think they feel that way, at least it’s not the feeling i get from reading the comments.

            Outraged is a whole different thing, and i think it’s legitimate.

          • Rusty

            Because their whole argumentation is based on “I f*cked so many Chinese girls”, “I have a Chinese girlfriend.wife”, “I have many friends who told me that” and so on. According to those geniuses, all their Chinese “acquaintances” told them profusely that their free-spirit was the RIGHT one and that the Chinese narrow-minded ideas where WRONG and coming out of pure jealousy. Then why are they feeling targeted, why are they defending themselves? If this is only crap, what are they fighting against? And it was a discussion between Chinese people, why are they eavesdropping and still feel targeted?
            They weren’t even spoken to!

          • Probotector

            “If this is only crap, what are they fighting against?”

            Well, they’re fighting against crap, you know, lies and defamation.

            “And it was a discussion between Chinese people, why are they eavesdropping and still feel targeted? They weren’t even spoken to!”

            So posting an article on a public website/forum and commenting on it is now eavesdropping? Okay, whatever. Even if is, to talk about someone “behind their back” in your logic, is still worthy of their attention, even though it wasn’t intended for their ears, again by your reasoning.

          • Rusty

            Chinasmack is by definition an eavesdropping website.

            And as for the “lies”, it’s only a matter of point of view. But commenting in your little community isn’t not fighting, it’s just comforting yourselves. If you want to fight your so-called lies and defamation, learn some Chinese, grow a pair and take your little complains and open-minded little speeches to the source.

            That or STFU altogether.

          • Probotector

            CS is an eavesdropping website? Look up the word eavesdropping in the dictionary before you use it.

            Well I do take my complaints to the source, I mean you’re Chinese aren’t you? I also complain to the Chinese I meet in China about this, and you know what they all say? They say “I don’t care”. That’s right you guys just shut down the argument, acting like it’s beneath you because you can’t think of an intelligible thing to say.

            How about you grow a pair and do something with your life and stop wasting your time trolling others just to make yourself feel better about your misery?

          • Rusty

            I know what eavesdropping mean thank you, I didn’t choose it by accident. But I am wasting my time, I’ll give you that. Of course you all won’t like me, I am openly saying, and I repeat it, that you are a bunch of arrogant morons. It’s not easy to hear, and even less easy to admit. So, let’s call me a troll, much easier, and let’s assume I am actually miserable since only a miserable troll could disagree with you ^^

          • Probotector

            You are a troll by your own admission.

            Also, information on a PUBLIC website cannot be eavesdropped since eavesdropping refers to PRIVATE CONVERSATION, so no you don’t know what it means.

            If you’re wasting your time, why did you reply to me? How is it arrogant and moronic for us to defend ourselves against being slated by an overly generalized and racist internet article?

            Surely it’s more arrogant of you Chinese to assume that voicing our opinions on so called sentiments that apparently have nothing to do with us (according to you) is none of our business, simply because it relates to life in China.

            You are miserable, because you are trolling because you are insecure. Again, by your own admission, you like to bash people. Would a happy person do this?

          • Rusty

            It is as much wasting time as playing a video-game. You poke the moron and he immediately starts vociferating ^^ Come on, it’s funny! Also, it is funny to watch you teach China to Chinese people and insult them when they just don’t want to get it, I never get tired of it! Since apparently it’s too much to ask for the stupid to just drop dead, one might as well get something out of it and have a little fun :p

          • Probotector

            Yeah, way to gloss over your hypocrisy, I do it because it’s fun… come off it!

            How am I/we teaching China to Chinese people?

            Why are you bashing on video games all of a sudden? Don’t you chinese love that stuff?

            I also noticed how you went silent on the whole meaning of the word eavesdropping.

          • Rusty

            I guess I’m getting tired of talking to you ^^ But feel free to interpret my silence on anything as a sign of submission on my part, not as a giving up on pushing a little sense into a brain so full of crap :p

          • Probotector

            whatever dude, just keep on telling yourself that everyone is stupid but you, if that makes you feel better.

          • Rusty

            Thanks!

          • SuperHappyCow

            Probotector: “Don’t you chinese love that stuff?”

            DONT WORRY, GUYS, PROBOTECTOR IS NOT RACIST.

            HE IS NOT RACIST, MOVE ALONG.

          • Probotector

            Well actually, it was meant to inquire as to why he would attack the concept of gaming, when it’s so popular everywhere, let a lone in China. The reason why I said “you Chinese’ is because he’s Chinese and trolling me with an “us versus you” mentality. If you knew anything about China you would know that. Only someone as insecure as you would see every criticism as racism.

          • SuperHappyCow

            “my name is probotector, i love fingers in my butt”

          • Probotector

            Running out of insults are we?

          • SuperHappyCow

            And you’re running away from my question.

            Have you stopped beating your wife?

          • Probotector

            Shouldn’t you be asking your this question to your dad?

          • vincent

            And you’re doing a great deal to calm things down, right….

          • Rusty

            Told you I just came here to bash on people. But as for the pertinence of my opinion, I guess there is only so much an open mind is actually ready to give a chance to. So, child, multiple-personality-psychotic, or will you say something about my mom?

          • vincent

            So let me get this straight, you don’t want people to get angered by the comments and then you proceed to ‘bash’ them (your words) sounds counter-productive, as for your mom I’m sure she’s a lovely lady.

          • Rusty

            Am a troll Vincent aren’t I? As I told you there is no way for those morons (this I exclude you from) to understand something. Just here to fight the fight, since there is a fight going on. And I didn’t say anything about people getting angered from the comments, but from the article itself.

          • vincent

            Well in any case Rusty the author of this piece if he even deserves to be called that has many of the facts wrong, and like a Tabloid newspaper has written this piece for the sensationalist value, people would get angry at the article because it not only demeans the laowai but the women they are with, I’ve married a Chinese woman and we are both well off so when I read a bullshit article like this I am bound to get angry as well.

          • Rusty

            People with a clear conscience don’t run. Just go to your next comment and I and my personality disorder will go back to our childish lives.

        • vincent

          It’s incredibly ironic that you are so greatly affected by the comments of ‘simpletons’, if you’re so mature how about you stop commenting.

          • Rusty

            Vincent says the mature thing is to stop commenting. Consider it said.

          • vincent

            As a matter of fact I’m moving on from this article as well, too many comments, on to the sinkhole article.

          • Rusty

            Well, yeah, China is eager to find out what Vincent and his friends are thinking about this sinkhole incident, by all means, go, Chinasmack is your oyster, let it rip, pain the town red, pee into the wind! ^^

          • vincent

            Peeing into the wind? Bad idea, sigh must I teach you everything, you pee with the wind ^^ I just remembered I already commented on the sinkhole incident, lol. Alright this hopefully will be my last comment on this matter :)

          • Rusty

            I know, but I can’t bash on people there without just telling them to shut up and mind their own business. So, that’s the end of it for me to. ^^

    • BigCAD

      But a language exchange does lead to sex, that’s the entire point of a language exchange, what other reason could there be.

      • mr.wiener

        Depends on if it’s with another guy.

        • Rick in China

          No….. no it doesn’t, at all. Lots of twinks around the good ol’ middle kingdom equally eager for some foreign dick!

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      @appleateverything:

      Dude, if you think this “article” is poorly written and in a word, wrong, then why are you upset at it? Don’t break down the “article” with many reasons, and then turn around and be offended because of those reasons. Would that mean the more wrong he is, the more offended you will be? What if he started quoting Pi incorrectly, and then rounded it down to 3?

      Your emotions are validating his argument. If his words are stupid and wrong, then why are you letting yourself treat it so seriously?

      Seriously.

      • http://www.facebook.com/White.Panda Andrew Dunn

        The article is bigoted towards foreigners, that’s why it’s offensive. If I wrote an article about how white guys could do better with women if they acted more black, talked about how blacks are unreliable, then you could bet it’d wrong for a variety of reasons and people would have every right to be upset about it.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          Dunn Deal,

          I’m not even going to validate that it’s offensive; I’m sure it is to some people just as other things are offensive to others – a veritable rainbow of offendedness.

          My statement still stands: if the mind understands that it is wrong, why is the heart so weak as to ignore all these reasons and give in – this is what the author wants, and what the mind was trying to prevent.

          But it is the passionate heart that seeks strife and conflict when there is none; people come here, get offended, and keep coming back for more.

          • http://www.facebook.com/White.Panda Andrew Dunn

            All it takes for ignorance to prevail is for intelligent people to do nothing. Voicing your opinions against people who are ignorant and have a platform to spread their ignorance does not make you weak. All people like you are doing is enabling people such as the author to spread their bigotry.

          • Probotector

            So why are you here?

          • Guest

            I am here for the news stories and reading all the hilarious bickering in the comments section.

          • mr.wiener

            We’re all just connoisseurs of human folly.

        • SuperHappyCow

          Why do people always feel the need to bring up “black people as some kind of utensil for making a point, then pretend to be liberal after dispelling stereotypes they, themselves brought up?

          Hey, Andrew, go fuck yourself.

          • http://www.facebook.com/White.Panda Andrew Dunn

            Are you fucking retarded? It’s called drawing a correlation. Or do you actually believe it’s not racism when it’s directed at white people.

            Have a nice day, Shit-blimp.

          • SuperHappyCow

            I was almost going to shoot something back but then I realized that “shit-blimp” is a pretty good insult.

            I used up all of mine playing Quake. How about poop-huffer?

    • Butsu

      “Foreign men usually not willing to get married? Care to back that up with evidence?”

      I don’t know where you are from but I’m completely indifferent to marrige. And so are a lot of people in my country. For me it’s not something I think about, and its something I might do some years into a relationship. That said, I’m together with a Taiwanese girl and that have made me see it in a different light and I might get married earlier than what I initially thought. I just think that foreigner might not have the same view as Chinese people on marriage.

    • loki

      I gotta say been in China 10 years. I have been with my Chinese girl for 6 years, and making plans to marry this year (her mom will be happy, been bugging us about it for awhile now).

      My girl is so open minded and loving. I can’t help but be upset about people like this. I would be tempted to take this person for a ride to a nice orchard somewhere and bury him.

      But back on topic, to think this is how people look at us when we walk down the street or if someone said something like this to my girl behind my back trying to tear apart my life with this bullshit. Just disgusting, and pathetic but can be damaging and hurtful to people who really don’t deserve to be ridiculed for choosing to be with a Laowai.

      The terrible thing about articles like this, it only hurts the people who take their lives in China seriously and cherish the relationships the have. The players that are here playin, just laugh it off and couldn’t care less. For every girl that turns her back on a laowai the are 400 will to try it just for the sake of trying it.

      • http://twitter.com/n1hmrd n1hmrd

        10+ years myself but tho married n happy ;) know what you mean Loki ,this guy just plain does not get it,go anywhere in the world (not china) go to a bar/club and you see the local chase the foreigners its got nothing to do girls/guys like something they have never had before new factor its not a bad thing,its how we figure out what we like or not,oh by the way if did bury him :P hand me another shovel ill help :D

      • Rick in China

        Completely agree. My girl is dealing with the stress better these days of having people chatter and stare, but we’re getting married – it’ll only get worse when we pop out our little half-breed (likely this year). I really hate articles like this, because even though so many will look at it and say “bullshit….just some butt-hurt guy ranting because he can’t get laid” – there are so many who will eat it up and believe it’s just how it is, in every circumstance.

        • Zhegezhege

          Chin up guys,

          This is not the first rant full of silly generalisations, laughable ignorance and misplaced authoritativeness with the conclusion that ‘dating foreigners is bad’ that Chinese girls have seen or heard, nor will it be the last.
          And most girls still don’t listen to guys like this because they are … so… very … very … boring … and … stupid.

          The irony is that experiences dating creeps like the author of that article contribute in no small way to how easy it is for laowais to get action in China.

        • Alain

          Thing is this “article” could all be some foreigner carrying out a sick performance art stunt, we may never know. Either way, the person who wrote it obviously has far too much time on their hands to write all this bull. I shan’t be waiting eagerly for installments zwei und drei.

        • Lam Song

          Why are you two laowai get hurt so easily? Western media have countless derogatory articles, images etc of Asian men since they invaded China in the late 1800s. Your children and grand children will not grow up to be so privileged as your fore fathers did.

      • Rusty

        400 ? Stop making stuff up !

        • loki

          yeah your right … probably more like 1000…

    • http://www.facebook.com/marshallryuwang Marshall Ryu Wang

      This article is from Tianya man, it is not to be taken seriously. Fucking Tianya.

      • Probotector

        I think anyone would take racism and flagrant generalizations seriously, no matter where it’s posted.

        • whipper

          Yeah… welcome to the internet. You must be new here.

          • Probotector

            You funny guy… what are you even talking about? You’re saying that it’s naive to be concerned about racism and generalizing people simply because it’s on the internet? Well then, why even bother posting anything at all, I mean, if nothing people say “on the internet” is worth paying attention to?

  • dumbwhitefucks

    they just want a green card

    • MonkeyMouth

      stop with that bullshit excuse, too. my wife hated canada just like i do, so we came back. NO MORE EXCUSES. you cant broadbrush entire cultures or, in the article;s case, a multitude of cultures. just say that chinese women dont want to get treated like trash. and they like a nice long vanilla stick, ok?

  • Germandude

    Ok, I wanted to post what I assume I am going
    to read before reading the article. Was interrupted and didn’t do so. However,
    I was right. Anyways, let’s get started:

    “In the West, young people start dating and
    losing their virginity at around 14 years old, but for many in China it is 20
    years old or even later, so first the starting point is already different.”

    While I agree that Chinese usually start dating
    later than “Westerners”, I think 14 years is quite an exaggeration. Make that
    16. On average.

    “and see which kinds of girls they’ve married.
    Basically they are all girls who are capable of making money, from rich
    families, or at least are financially independent.”

    Isn’t that strange? I mean, thinking of ALL the
    foreign-Chinese couples that I know personally, it’s usually the guy that has a
    better job than his wife, while the wives usually have a decent job as well? It’s
    not the stereotype “rich guy from the west marries poor girl from Anhui”. Or “poor guy
    from the west marries poorer girl from Anhui”.
    Usually, the couples I know both have had quite good education, a decent job
    and good income.

    “Why do I understand laowai attitudes, habits, and behavior
    patterns so well? Very simple, I have a lot of foreign friends.”

    My bet is that she is just a graduate who is in
    her mid twenties, feeling the pressure from her family “to soon get married”,
    wishing to have a foreign guy, but can’t get one. And now she needs to find an
    explanation why that is so.

    This whole “fight” that seems to be going on
    here in China
    between Chinese guys and foreign guys is insane.

    Young generation: Chinese guy: “Foreigners
    steal our women” (LOL). Foreign guy: “Chinese guys are pussies” (Troll). Chinese
    girl with foreign boyfriend: “He’s so handsome and rich”. Chinese girl without
    foreign boyfriend but the wish to have one: “Foreigners only think about sex”.

    Approx. 30+ generation: Chinese guy: “Good luck
    for you”. Foreign guy: “What the fuck is the problem about intercultural
    relationships”? Chinese girls: “Good to see you happy”.

    It’s just so ignorant and stupid…

    • JEAH

      Um foreign guys are right. Chinese guys are pussies? Ever see a Chinese guy fight before? I have, their opponents are always helpless women. That’s why they flock to awesome laowai like me. Even if I sleep with them, it gives them face. They want more face, they want more dick. So easy.

      • linette lee

        The only china women you sleep with are those low quality uneducated working behind cosmetic counters less than minimum wage whores who already slept with 100 china men, black men, indian men, white men….you name it.

        You think you can sleep with university graduated, trilingual, high income china women like dai fei fei? Dream on. Dai fei fei type marry to millionaires chinese men or professional chinese men who are doctors or lawyers with green card to western world. Don’t kid yourself. You = green card for ugly low quality china women.

        http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CnViscW8bdA/T3UrmcnjMjI/AAAAAAAAIjs/4IDWIYT2jsI/s1600/Foto-Dai-Fei-Fei-2.jpg

        • filabusta

          Da fei fei ji?

        • Michael Friedman

          Actually, I think she’s kind of fat. I bet you are much prettier.

          Where do you live?

        • David

          Linette, do women and men have other qualities besides their education and earnings? You don’t seem to think so.

          I am a graduate student in China who is trilingual and (based on my studies) will have high earnings in my life. I can pursue almost any woman I want in China between the ages of 18 and 30 and be successful. You know why? It’s not cause I make a lot of money, or have good education. It’s because I am NICE to them, speak fluent Mandarin, act assertively, try to be funny, and treat them like a human being. Basically the same thing I do when dating in the US.

          If you are Chinese, you know yourself-the women who are most likely to sleep with foreigners are highly educated university students. Why? Cause they’re usually the only ones that speak English…so where did you get this comment about the cosmetic counter girls that sleep with hundreds of foreigners?

          I speak enough Chinese to pick up those “cosmetic counter girls”, and let me tell you…they’re boring. They tend to have less education, are less aware of Western culture, more conservative, more shy, less sexually open. The university girls are much more interesting, sexually active, open to dating foreigners, and easy to communicate with.

          • linette lee

            hahaha..those “cosmetic girl” speak enough to flirt with non chinese speakers. Me love you long time….You so good? me want you…. They just want to fxck. Not talk plato and socrates. How much English do you need to speak?

          • David

            Ok now I know you aren’t Chinese. Cosmetic counter girls don’t even speak that much English, and certainly wouldn’t be suggesting sexual activity.

            And like I said previously, it’s the cosmetic counter girls who are the shyest and LEAST sexual. The university students are the most promiscuous. Want to get laid as a foreigner in China? The best place outside a bar (where you admittedly ARE going to find a lot of girls who have had 100 cocks) is going to be the English department of a university.

          • El Puma R.

            As a former teacher in China, I second that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alexmills1976 Alex Mills

            See, thats why being an english teacher is good for an unemployed young bloke from the USA or UK. He can take a flight with Thai Airways and get some fake certificates off khao san road, and after playing some ping pong with the locals take a flight to China and arrive as fit and lean as a butchers dog. Armed to the teeth with his paper qualifications procured in thailand, he has the best of both worlds, an easy relatively well paid job and free flat at his school, and a choice of cute students at nearby university. Go forth and go east, young man! Not stay at home and twiddle your thumbs in the west, plant your oar, and set sail, that is my advice to bums at home. Plus they don’t have to pay welfare at home, win win, all round.

          • El Puma R.

            I am sorry but you are from HK and living in the US… so anything you say about mainland girls is probably wrong.

            As a foreigner in China I’ve noticed that normally the only girls who would pay attention to us are those who can speak english or -at least- are open minded and in most cases they open up ’cause they realize there’s something wrong with Chinese men.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.yu.54943 Kevin Yu

      The article is just written by someone who is jealous, I think or who does not have a good job himself. You know, since you are german, that the racist people here in mostly eastern Germany are the ones, who are not educated well and blame foreigners for everything, that is going wrong with their lifes.

      And the couples I know also are educated. Both are University-students or finished their study or both are rich.

      • Germandude

        I know. Seeing the similarities between what you mentioned and here, I can say that there is still hope left.

  • Germandude

    I don’t know what others think, but I think one thing that many Chinese girls are attracted to from foreigners is that foreigners usually treat girls (not only their own) with respect and like adults. Not like a cute object to show around and dictate what to dress when going out.

    • devilz

      incorrect. This is a myth. Most Chinese girls do not like foreigners.

      • loki

        Your an idiot! “most Chinese girls” How can you dare say something like that. You just threw 1 or 2 billion girls into one racist bucket?

    • az

      Yeah, western men are such gentlemen; that’s why south east asia is basically a brothel for western sex tourists; that’s why there are hundreds of websites dedicated to mail order brides for lonely white men looking for their own personal maid/sex slaves; that’s why expat bulletin boards are constantly filled with the same westerners boasting about their sexual escapades and others looking to emulate them. When a westerner goes whoring in asia it’s not called whoring, no, they are just there to “liberate” the women, or in some cases little boys and girls. Yeah, that must be why westerners are universally known throughout asia as well behaved gentlemen.

      • AnthonyLudovici

        SE Asia is also a brothel for NE Asian sex tourists. The Philippines attracts tens of thousands of Korean men every year. Taiwan, China and South Korea are the main market for Vietnamese mail order brides.

        You’re obvious Asian American and don’t know anything about the region except some puffed up nationalistic pan-asianism that only exists in America.

        • Reila90

          Pan-Asian already exist before WW1 in order to take over western imperialism. Nothing wrong with it.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            It exists today only in the minds of Asian Americans. You’re welcome to believe in it, but nobody in Japan is going to believe Chinese people who shout things like 13亿 中国人 踏平 小日本 , make numerous irredentist claims against their territory, threaten to rape their women and sink their country into their sea are their allies just because you’re butthurt about foreigners dating Asian girls, lol.

            Get a grip dude.

          • Reila90

            I don’t think you fathom what i implying by Pan-Asian.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Asianism

            Also the chaos in east Asia today solely the cause of western imperialism and the lost of Japan in WW2.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            I know what you’re implying, you’re implying that a dead philosophy carries some weight in the modern world. Except it doesn’t. Only a few intellectuals every really believed in it in the first place, the Japanese military certainly didn’t. Not even the Southeast Asian independence movements did when push came to shove. Remember Ho Chi Minh’s words? “I’d rather eat French shit for 10 years than Chinese shit for a thousand.”

            The only one threatening Japan, Taiwan and Korea’s territorial sovereignty is the PRC. Even someone who recognizes a lot of what the Western media puts out about China is bullshit is able to understand this.

          • Reila90

            How’s “Ho Chi Minh” even relevant? The ideology used by Japanese at WW2. Are you suppose i implying the Chinese? You make no sense.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            Ho Chi Minh is relevant because Chinese imperialism over SE Asia long predates Western irredentism in the region, what HCM is saying echoes this.

            “Mountains of skulls” – Wasn’t that how one court-historian described how the Chinese put down a rebellion in Vietnam?
            Human nature is the same everywhere when it pertains to conquest.

          • Reila90

            Are you trying to justify western imperialism by saying “look those Asian were more cruel than us, therefore they’re more evil!”?
            Ho Chi Minh doesn’t mean anything. He just a non educated empty headed revolutionist equivalent to Mao. What is VNQDĐ? If not China help them to build it.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            My aim is not “justification”. War is both glorious and terrible, heroic and brutal, just and unjust. There’s no point applying binary morality to it. Homer understood this 2800 years ago, there is no reason why modern people should be more stupid.

          • Reila90

            Fine for me. Even tho i don’t see Eastern imperialism is more evil than those Western imperialism in any way.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            Fair enough.

            I prefer the Confucian approach to foreign relations in some respects to be honest.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            Yes, Westerners forced China to make all those territorial claims against their neighbors from the SCS to various tiny South Korean islets.

            Take responsibility for your actions, coward. Nobody forced you to adopt this stance. Quite to the contrary, the state department doesn’t even need to do anything, China alienates its neighbors and plays into US policy planner’s hands on its own, lol.

          • Reila90

            So what is your point? I’m talking about imperial era. Obviously western imperialist make rule for everything they want backed by weapons. Japan is the only saviour at that time.

        • JimmySavile said Hi.

          >>International investigators say foreign paedophiles are usually American or European. Of 160 foreign pedophiles arrested on child sex-abuse charges in Southeast Asia between 1992 and 1994, the largest portion — 25% — were American, 18% German, 14% Australian and 12% English.

          You’re obviously a delusional white male trying to defend the indefensible.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            http://mb.com.ph/node/359997/kopino

            And there are also reports that say the number of children fathered by Koreans in the Phillipines runs into the tens of thousands. What’s your point ISN?

          • AnthonyLudovici

            http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/the-plight-of-vietnams-mail-order-brides/257814/

            ^ Main market for mail order brides are other East Asian countries. This actually goes back to the Tang Dynasty, I’d quote the relevant poetry about Vietnamese women, but I think you’re an ABC or CBC so you can’t even read Hanzi, lol.

          • nintendo-nerd

            2 words… GARY GLITTER.

          • AnthonyLudovici

            Yes, because one person invalidates the fact that:

            1) East Asians are also sex tourists to SEA in huge numbers.
            2) The main market for SE Asian mail order brides are other Asian countries, and many of them end up getting beaten and killed by their Chinese and Korean husbands?

      • Red Scarf

        You mean just like Chinese people say in Thailand, i.e two officials photographed at a sex show, not to mention the numerous stories of rich Chinese men and their second wifes, young girlfriends and so on. Oh yes, also its not uncommon for rural Chinese men to “buy wifes” from places like the Philippines, Burma etc. Not to mention that doing businesses seems to involve a lot of “whoring”

      • nintendo-nerd

        Too many white peados looking too teach English and have sex with little children in South-East Asia.. that’s all I say lol

  • Austin

    This article is such shallow bullshit. It manages to find a way to insult and stereotype foreigners and Chinese as well as the male and female gender. This crap is a three part series?

  • Yep

    So much bulshit, you know nothing about what what you write. Northing. Complete missunderstanding of westerners or western culture. Very very stuipd.

  • Slob

    ROFL whoever wrote this article is generalising way too much and doesn’t know jack shit about ‘laowai’, which I get the impression isn’t exactly a positive label for foreigners. Why not just say ‘foreigners’ ?

    Real reasons :
    1) We treat the girls better whether it’s cruel or kind intentions. Chinese men treat their women like absolute shit regardless.
    2) Bigger dicks – Yes, I’ve been to the public saunas many times and seen this ‘myth’ for myself.They’re tiny as hell. Not only that, we don’t last 2 minutes in bed then go to sleep.
    3) Green cards – Gives the girl options in life so she can go abroad or stay here.
    4) It’s exotic – Like the way foreigners are in any country, they’re exotic.
    5) Features – tall, big nose, blue eyes, blonde hair etc. It’s different to the same black hair, brown eyes everywhere.
    6) We don’t live with our parents, we’re independent. Chinese men wouldn’t have a clue how to survive by themselves after 18 years of age.
    7) We’re more loyal and honest – Foreign men may sleep around with multiple girls, but if he’s married to one, that stops. Chinese men on the other hand START fucking around once they get married. Look at the number of brothels, massage parlours, KTV escort services scattered around every city in China, and the married men at the bars taking out 20 year old girls to show off to their friends.
    8) We have a sense of humour and are willing to discuss more open-minded topics. The only Chinese men I’ve found to be funny have been highly exaggerated with their actions. That’s more like a clown than a comedian.

    Shit I could go on forever.

    4. Laowai and Chinese guys differ in terms of online dating skills. – LOL

    • JEAH

      You forgot to mention we rule the world. It’s because we’re just better than everyone else. Blacks, Browns, Reds, and especially the lowest on the pecking order. Yellow trash. The only thing good is their women are hot.

      • Chen

        Let’s do a recap. Korean War = US Lost, Vietnam War = US Lost. And they’re fighting a country with no navy, no air force, and a poor army that can barely afford weapons.

        WWII = US WON Oh wait china was on the allies.

        You’re definitely not the whites the Chinese are talking about, trailer monkey. Evolution just takes time for speciation.

        • Probotector

          The Korean War was a stalemate. Also, although (Guomingdang) China was on the allied side, they didn’t help the rest of us, nor did we really help them in the struggle against the axis. They were pretty much left alone until the USSR liberated Manchuria. Do some research first.

          • Chen

            I forgot the American definition of stalemate: Not completing the primary objective, getting driven back to the 38th parallel and fighting a country again that had no navy or air force. Life must be so easy when your standards are so low.

            China was left alone in WWII, so what the fuck did you think the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor and that’s it?

            No wonder the whites are losing their grip in the US. Your fathers and grandfathers actually had some balls. Shits like you are useless.

          • Rusty

            You’re awesome ^^

          • Probotector

            First, I am not American, don’t assume I am because I defend history.

            About Korea, yes, rollback was defeated, so President Eisenhower failed to kick communism out of North Korea, but the UN forces still managed to prevent South Korea from being conquered by Communism So the ‘primary objective was not achieved on both ides. That’s why it’s called a stalemate, you dumb fuck. Also the war never ended with a peace treaty, just a ceasefire, which means technically the war is on hold, not finished. Read some real history instead of espousing your Communist one sided inflammatory bullshit.

            “China was left alone in WWII, so what the fuck did you think the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor and that’s it?”

            What are you even talking about? Previously, you said: “WWII = US WON Oh wait china was on the allies.” This implies that China helped the USA in WWII. Well, that’s just wrong so shut up. America helped the Guomingdang with weapons and money, and the Guomingdang just wasted it. The Russians helped you liberated Dongbei from Japan. That’s all, you never helped the rest of us against Japan, and certainly didn’t help us against Hitler (remember who he was?)

            Whites in America are losing their grip on the country. Well, according to your butt hurt, and according to this article, it seems you’re losing your grip on your women to foreigners. Deal with it.

          • Dent

            Oh,please, this article is over exaggerating. Chinese women are not interested in foreign men as much as what you think. You are an idiot if you think it’s true. A survey on 144 Chinese women shows that not a single of them have strong preferences towards foreign men.

            http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/understanding-attraction-foreign-men-china.htm

            A survey in China also found foreign men less attractive in the eye of Chinese women.

            http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2009/0421/china-foreign-men-lose-appeal

            If you’ve been to north east China, you will find plenty of Russian women marrying Chinese men. Google yourself ‘Russian women marrying Chinese men’.

            ChinaSmack just cherry pick it’s news.

          • Rusty

            Of course, Chinasmack is all about the money day with no regards to truth, morals or even respect for one’s own country.
            And no need to answer to Probotector, brain too full, he will always have something to reply, and when he’s cornered you will all the sudden be labelled as stupid and not making any sense.

          • Probotector

            What does any of what you said have to do with what I said?

          • Dent

            it seems you’re losing your grip on your women to foreigners.

          • Probotector

            That doesn’t bother me; it’s Chinese men who are bellyaching about losing ‘their women’.

          • Dent

            I mean to say I’m referring to your sentence where you said ‘it seems you’re losing your grip on your women to foreigners.’ Either way, Chinese men are certainly not losing their women. Chinese women desire for foreign men have decrease significantly and Chinese men are certainly NOT losing Chinese women to foreign men.

          • BiggJ

            If chinese could travel to any country on just their Passport and a plane ticket……You guys would be in hard shape to find a chinese woman. As it is now, most are pretty much trapped here.

          • Dent

            Consider the fact Asian American women now mostly marry within their own race, I don’t think it’s that hard.

          • Probotector

            …and in that knowledge, you’ll happily sleep well tonight.

        • moody

          No idea who wrote your history book but it’s pretty fucked up

      • pathy

        why do you both coming to this Yellow trash site then? you must be worshiping yellow Trash. BTW there is only the term ‘white trash’ don’t try to reinvent the term.

        • Probotector

          Some people come here to vent.

        • Glen

          go to http://www.urbandictionary.com
          look up the word “troll”
          always keep this word in mind when commenting on the internet lest you look like the fool

      • maybeabanana

        Wtf are you scaling with? Sounds more like you got your head up your asterisk hole base on a laughable article.

      • moody

        you are Chinese , and we all know it, so you can stop that right now.

        it does not work and it fool no one.

    • filabusta

      Yeah I’ve always wondered what percentage of marriages in China survive on massage parlors and KTV girls. I know one Chinese friend who is getting married tomorrow and he is miserable about it but he knocked the girl up.

      • The John

        I HONESTLY THINK… A foreigner should write a real blog on Tianya combating this BS. If I get the blessing of this board I will do it. However, my Chinese writing is just ok. I would need a friend to help me write a well thought out response… Then, we could watch Tianya explode.

        • El Puma R.

          GO for it bro you’ve got my full backup ! in fact there should be multiple responses.

    • lamington

      This is not true stop generalizing Chinese men you racist, Laowei actually have a bad reputation in China. You would know that if you have been there.

      The only Chinese women attached to laowei are the very desperate ones.
      That goes for Zuckerberg and Murdoch. They are both criminals with small penis’.

      Even in western countries the most in confident or white washed Asian women go for laowei.

      I feel sorry for laowei and other foreigners, they try to get women with the false false confidence of thinking they are racially superior by genital. How sad.

      Then they get rejecting and become shattered by the truth that their penis can’t rule the world.

    • Rusty

      You are talking about generalization, but with your first point is making a very similar generalization. So no, please don’t go on forever, you should have shut up and keep rolling on the floor.

    • linette lee

      Everything from 1 to 8 are wrong except for

      3)green card

      4)laowai are exotic

      5) some of them are tall and blue eyes that’s a plus for some china women.

      • David

        Linette, here’s a better explanation of his 1-8. Although he presented them in a rude manner, the content was generally correct.

        1. Chinese guys generally treat their girlfriends in a way that suggest they are extremely jealous, insecure, or both. They tend to have very controlling influences in their girlfriend’s lives. Many Chinese women find dating a Westerner to be very relaxing and liberating because Western guys are much less likely to act like this. Regardless of whether the Western guy is just casually sleeping around or dating seriously, he will never be as controlling as the Chinese guy. From this perspective, Western guys generally treat Chinese girls as people…whereas it seems that many (not all) Chinese guys view girlfriends as possessions like a car or house.

        2. The penis size difference is small, based on actual research, so that’s not really relevant. Based on anecdotal evidence, the biggest disparity here seems to be in sexual performance, and that’s directly related to experience. On average, a 22 year old Western guy will have more experience than a 22 year old Chinese guy. Just the way it is, right now, considering cultural differences. So that accounts for the difference in sexual performance more than anything elese.

        3. Green card-is true.

        4. Exotic factor-is true. Works everywhere foreigners are in short supply. White guys in Africa get a lot of action too.

        5. It’s not just blue eyes and height. It’s things that are valued in China (and East Asia in general) like a strong nose bridge, big eyes, paler skin. These things occur naturally in Caucasians. We don’t think they’re that special really. Chinese people always joke about how foreign guys go for the “ugly” Chinese girls. The real joke is that the foreign guys that Chinese girls consider to be handsome are usually considered pretty average themselves in their home countries.

        6. This is just absolutely true. In the US, most of us found jobs at 16, moved out of the house when we were 18, and stopped accepting money from our parents around that time as well. The average 20 year old in the USA may be up to his eyeballs in college debt, but he’s almost entirely independent from his parents, and has been for some time. Can the same be said of a the average 20 year old Chinese guy?

        7. I don’t entirely agree with this one. Both foreigners and Chinese do a lot of messing around, both before and after marriage. I will say, however, that China has much more cultural background and support for male infidelity after marriage. The systems that are in place in China to allow men to cheat, and the legions of women actually willing to become 小三, or even 二奶, are a testament to China’s higher tolerance for male infidelity.

        8. I don’t know if “sense of humor” is the best to to explain this. It’s more to do with less cultural barriers and more experience interacting with the opposite sex. For a Western guy, it’s normal and natural to have frequent interactions with girls as he’s growing up. In our media, we see that ‘normal’ dating between guys and girls is expressed with confident and assertive behavior, not shyness and reliance on mysterious smiles. This means that foreign guys are going to be much more comfortable and confident when approaching women, because we are culturally conditioned to do so. Chinese men are culturally conditioned to be softer, shy, less assertive, and it hurts them. They come across as shy, wooden, inexpressive, or boring very easily.

        • Christina

          “6. This is just absolutely true. In the US, most of us found jobs at 16, moved out of the house when we were 18, and stopped accepting money from our parents around that time as well. The average 20 year old in the USA may be up to his eyeballs in college debt, but he’s almost entirely independent from his parents, and has been for some time. Can the same be said of a the average 20 year old Chinese guy?”

          I think that’s true mostly only for lower middle class families. I go to a rich, WASPY school on the east coast and everyone I know (except for two people) lives off allowance from their parents. Tuition is $42,000 a year but nobody in my friend circle is graduating with a boatload of debt because our parents pay for school. The people who get jobs at 16 and move out at 18 usually come from really poor, fractured families. You also have to account for the fact that Chinese culture is totally different, and living with one’s parents is a 5000 year old tradition. Only recently has that begun to change for China, but with the exorbitant housing prices, i really wouldn’t blame a guy for living at home to save money.

          • Markoff

            yeah, because prices of housing in west are sooo low. people still leave home despite hich prices of accommodation because they want freedom and grow up, can’t say same about chinese 20-30yo children

        • linette lee

          1) possessive men? That can be any man not just Chinese men. Men in general get jealous if the women go out with the men.

          2)sexual experience? You have good ones and you have bad ones in every race. If that’s the case then black men must be on the top list preferred by all women from every race.

          3)green card is definitely true

          4)exotic, rare , different is definitely true

          5)White men are more handsome better physical appearence is true only for some chinese girl. Those chinese girls like the caucasian look. But still many chinese girl like the chinese look.

          6) Many chinese men are very independent. Especially the poor ones. They work very hard and know how to take care of family.

          7) male infidelity is more acceptable in China? This one I don’t know. I can tell you that it is not acceptable in HK or any chinese communities outside China. The chinese wife will go nut and file divorce to get money from the husband for cheating.

          8)Western men are more assertive and aggressive. Chinese men are shy but many are very polite and sweet to the girls. They can be very romantic and attentive and extremely generous not only pay for the girl but pay for her whole family. Some won’t let the girl pay a dime on any date. Once you start dating them seriously they are not shy, wooden, inexpressive, or boring. Many are actually insanely crazy funny.

          Most chinese people think Chinese men are more reliable as a love partner. Chinese parents want their daughter to marry good chinese boy.

          So laowai don’t know Chinese culture and what’s going on with the Chinese. They have this little strange theory about Chinese people and what we like and don’t like. Most of it are not true. The laowai have no clue. Go watch more chinese tv and films. Maybe that will teach you more about what chinese like and dislike.

          • David

            Look Linette,

            It would be best if you don’t try to lecture me on Chinese culture, since you’ve just made it apparent that you aren’t that familiar with the mainland. Hong Kong, right? Hong Kong is a totally different world that isn’t really that similar to Mainland China. The cultural values have been so heavily influenced by the West, that I wouldn’t really compare the two.

            I live in China, and speak fluent Mandarin (and when I say fluent, I mean I actually speak fluent Mandarin, can read a newspaper from front to back, can write a thesis, can discuss philosophy or politics), so you might want to try a different debate tactic other than “you don’t understand China” to discredit my arguments.

            1. Of course men get jealous if their women go out with other men. But in the West, you have to get over it, cause jealousy like that just isn’t appropriate. In the US, it’s ok for a girl to be friends with her ex-boyfriend, even talk to him online. That’s almost never allowed in China. I’ve had experiences where girls told me their boyfriend steals their phone to read their text messages, logs into her QQ secretly to check who she’s been talking to, doesn’t let her go see male friends unless he comes along with them, etc. NONE of this is acceptable behavior in the US. It’s controlling, possessive, and backward. It seems like many Chinese guys are really insecure in their relationships, and seem to think that their girlfriends can’t be trusted to go out on their own, or some other guy will definitely steal her. And this was just one aspect of how foreign guys treat their girlfriends better. It’s mostly related to women in the West, not men. Women in the West have very different demands from Chinese women. They demand to be treated a certain way, have more rights and privileges and freedoms in the relationship. They demand a LOT more than Chinese women do. As a result, Western guys are used to treating their girlfriends in a certain way, and it’s usually better than how mainland Chinese guys do. That’s not to say that ALL mainland Chinese guys are jerks to their girlfriends, but on average, Western women demand more from Western men, so Western men have to treat women differently, and Chinese women really like it.

            2. My point is still true. A 22 year old Western male will have more sexual experience than a Chinese one, 9 times out of 10. The average age for first sexual experience is 17 in the US, and as low as 15-16 in parts of Europe. It’s around 20 in mainland China. There’s no comparison.

            And where on earth did you get the idea that black people are automatically more sexually experienced? Black isn’t a country anyway. It’s not even a race. If the black person is from the US, I would expect them to have very similar sexual experiences to white people or asian people that grew up in the US. If they grew up in Algeria, which is much more conservative and has many Muslims, I would expect them to be very conservative.

            5. I didn’t say white men are more handsome. I said that the qualities Chinese women find attractive are more genetically common in Caucasians. You can also confirm this by taking a look at the Chinese movie stars who are considered to be very handsome. They will have big eyes, strong noses, paler skin…I can’t possible represent the opinions of every Chinese woman…萝卜青菜各有所爱。。。but that doesn’t change the fact that the things Asian cultures value as beautiful or attractive are things that Caucasians often have already.

            6. When I say “Chinese men on average are less independent”, you can’t respond by saying “many Chinese men are independent”. That’s a logical fallacy, do you understand? Saying some, or many men are a certain way does not make them ALL that way. Chinese culture causes children to have more difficulty breaking free from their parents. Until recently, children didn’t even move out of their homes until they got married. This was the same in the West, in older times, but now it’s much more common in the West for children to move out when they reach adulthood and support themselves. Our parents DON’T usually buy us houses or cars, even if they are very rich. We are expected to support ourselves from a very young age. In China, this happens much later, often not until the mid-20s. Therefore, the average 22 year old Western guy is MUCH more independent and self-sufficient than a 22 year year old mainland Chinese guy. Don’t compare to Hong Kong.

            7. In addition to being more accepted, it’s easier. Similar in some aspects to Japan. Many other people on this thread have mentioned what happens when businessmen go on trips and their client brings them to KTV, or something like that. The systems in place are more conducive for infidelity. The wife usually has to endure her husband’s behavior, especially if she’s getting older and losing her youth, because it’s still better to have a stable situation at home. Harmony, right? Ha.

            8. If a Chinese man pays for the whole family, it’s because he’s trying to impress them. Same thing for a Western guy, really. He might be generous, but he’s doing it for mianzi,and you know it.

            “one you start dating them seriously, they are neither shy, wooden, inexpressive, or boring”.

            Well that’s just the problem isn’t it? It’s a long path from “getting to know someone” to “dating someone seriously”. Ask Western women why they don’t usually date Mainland Chinese guys. These are generally the kinds of things they will say. Seriously, just ask.

            As long as we’re talking about Chinese culture in movies, I’m sure you’ve seen a movie where a Chinese guy sees a beautiful woman and gets a nosebleed. Of course that’s an exaggeration, but that’s how Chinese culture portrays flirting between guys and girls: something scary, nerves-inducing, and stressful. With that kind of cultural background, how could a guy ever feel comfortable when he meets a girl for the first time and wants to talk to her?

          • linette lee

            One word to describe you. You are a white supremacist.

          • David

            That’s two words.

            And not supported in the slightest by my arguments above.

            Oh well. Now I just think you’re trolling.

          • Rusty

            Ohhh that’s so cute ^^

          • Germandude

            Since you STILL don’t get what David is trying to explain to you, a quick way to describe you: You are as bright as a donkey.

          • linette lee

            What david is saying is completely ignorant. The chinese men that I know around me none of them are like that. 99% of the chinese men around are highly educated and nice. Not all of them are rich but most of them are hard workers and treat their girlfriends/wives good.

            so don’t go painting chinese men like they are lower species. I know plenty losers and high school drop out living off from their parents stealing from their girlfriend bank account and they are white men. Plenty white men won’t even pay child support.

          • Rusty

            And you are a moron, just quit this superior arrogance it doesn’t fit you. You can suck up to David all day, won’t make you smarter nor making him your boyfriend.

          • Germandude

            Oh man. Your toughness really scares me. And you are the same as linette: you STILL don’t get why so many of the “reasons” the report states make no sense and are far off from the reality.
            And now, please show me a post, where I have stated ANYTHING about superiority of “white men”, or whatever bullshit you mean, towards Asian/Chinese.
            I think this whole discussion just sucks, because it’s ignorance fighting against ignorance.

          • Rusty

            Or maybe because there is nothing to discuss at all.

            I also didn’t mention the superiority of any race, I am just saying that you don’t go to people’s homes and laugh at them because you make them feel uncomfortable (and not at all jealous for God’s sake).

            Western people are the ones with the open-mind and the easy going attitude, and actually not only promote but force those values into the people around them, and (in China) including and mostly the Chinese people themselves.

            There are still people in the western world who will wait until marriage for having sex. There are even people who will not marry a girl before having her father’s consent.

            But the morons here, they just can’t think of anything else than plugging it everywhere they can and brag about it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a nosebleed when seeing a beautiful girl. This is the beauty of it. But stupid f**kers who feel superior because of having a mind so open that they just can go talk to any girl without any shyness and laugh at people who don’t? I am sorry, but no. This is a behavior you display in your own country. Those values that morons here call sad and narrow-minded, they are precisely the values that makes the Chinese culture so beautiful and attractive.
            But for those walking d**cks, “loving the Chinese culture” is nothing but a line. And to them, get the f*ck out of China.

          • linette lee

            — obsessive possessive men are not limited to only Chinese men. You have western men beating their women because they accuse their women of cheating talking to other men.
            —The chinese male celebrities none of them have caucasian features. If you think big eyes tall nose tall and skinny, light yellow skin is considered caucasian features you need to go see therapist.
            —all the comments you made about chinese is just ignorant and showing you think white is superior. You are a nut job I tell you.

            –I tell you one thing for sure. Those china women 99% are after your green card. It is a very big factor.

            –Also if white men are better catch than chinese men, than tell me why 80% of the overseas Chinese women marry to Chinese men when majority of the population are white men?

          • Elijah

            @linettelee:disqus I normally agree with and up-vote your comments because they give a great insight into chinese culture and more specifically chinese women’s thinking. However on this thread, you have seriously deviated from rationality and have missed the points being made.

            This thread started with a thing which can’t rightfully be called an article as an article has be written rather than shat out in a spray of diarrhea (see the imagery? that’s writing). It is so racist that it’s inconceivable how this could be agreed upon in public. It’s based firmly on complete ignorance and third-hand stereotypes and doesn’t come anywhere near to telling the truth in any objective manner.

            @c3dd523511ee1867dd8cc78ba7ece020:disqus posted a list of arguments to counter the nonsense in the article, it wasn’t very comprehensive or particularly well explained and you didn’t agree with him, so @disqus_eC39uuUewo:disqus very kindly and logically expanded on each point with reason and rationale.

            On each of David’s posts and points, he was very careful to back things up with verifiable facts (average age of first time, cultural standards in relationships, etc.) and was also very careful to make sure it wasn’t a racial thing, but rather a cultural difference.

            Now of course anytime cultures are compared someone will call someone else an “imperialist” or “neo-colonialism running dog” or whatever, but this belies the fact that culture is a learned attribute, meaning that babies are born without any inherent culture which means that any baby of any race can learn any culture. It’s only as people get older and the culture becomes more ingrained does it truly become a part of one’s core personality.

            Here’s the thing though, anything learned can be un-learned and/or replaced with new ideas. Look at Hong Kong and Taiwan, they both have the same shared roots with china, but they are vastly different on a cultural (political, judicial, etc,) level.

            So what does this all mean? it means that it’s not about race, it’s about what you’ve learned and whether or not you can improve yourself by continuing to learn. Perhaps you don’t understand china as well as you think you do, even though your culture and their culture share the same root. Why? You’re from Hong Kong (best place in Asia I’ve ever seen), you and the men there have learned somewhat different things than the men in china.

            Here’s an experiment, take an Asian baby and raise him in a totally Western environment in a Western country. Then take a Caucasian, Latino, African, etc. baby and raise him in a totally chinese environment in china. Do you really think their races will change the outcome (aside from the obvious racism in china of course)? If you do, then you’re the one with racist views.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Partly agree with you, but not about Hong Kong dear boy. It is not as clean as Kuala Lumpur or Singapore. Those are some pristine environments, now am I right or am I right?

          • BoraBora

            ‘You can also confirm this by taking a look at the Chinese movie stars
            who are considered to be very handsome. They will have big eyes, strong
            noses, paler skin..’

            Would you name me which Chinese movie stars that are consider handsome having caucasian features you are talking about here? Big eyes and paler skins are definitely not limited to white men. They are common features of Asian men.

          • BoraBora

            ‘but that doesn’t change the fact that the things Asian cultures value as
            beautiful or attractive are things that Caucasians often have already.’

            Nope. Depend on how much they are being brainwash by western standard of beauties. Back in ancient China, when western men first enter China, Chinese women found western men to be strange looking.

          • BiggJ

            Chinese girls value pale skin. And don’t talk about western standards of beauty because most white girls use tanning beds to get darker where asain girls use cream and other bullshit to make their skin white. White girls try their best to get dark. We see pale skin as sickness and weak where is a tanned girl looks more healthy. Just walk around on a sunny day in china and all you see are umbrellas because girls want their skin pale. And the girls who do shit to make double eye lids like westerners. And im sure back in Ming dynasty we did look strange to chinese people, who have only ever seen other asian people.

            Why do you care so much if chinese girls like white guys? If white girls said they like asian guys for whatever reason why would I care? Just relax. I just forgot that you come from a narrow minded culture. I’m use to people being able to like whoever and date who they want.It’s 2012 AD…..the way you talk its like it’s 2012 BC.

          • BiggJ

            oh wait it’s 2013. “)

          • BoraBora

            I think you misunderstood what I said. I mean standard of beauties for men, not women. It’s true back in ancient China, Chinese women do not found white men good looking at all. In modern era where west dominate pretty much almost everything, the standard of beauty in today have been influence from the west.

            Why do I care so much if Chinese girls like white guys? To be more accurate, I’m trying to correct some misinform people here so I use the those Chinese women from ancient time as example.

  • Germandude

    Oh and good job on posting this kind of article again. After the last couple of “calm” weeks without many comments and low click-rates, I am pretty sure, the 500th post will be reached on thursday, 31st of January. Sex and stupidity sells…

    • mr.wiener

      Think this one will clock up more comments that “Chinese women please don’t sleep with foreigners? I’m predicting the by the second week of January it will have. sneaky of them to have put this on just before Chinese new year.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        Sweeps week.

  • Guesst

    “If you don’t believe me, just pay attention to the laowai in China around you who have married Chinese girls, and see which kinds of girls they’ve married. Basically they are all girls who are capable of making money, from rich families, or at least are financially independent.”

    My wife is from the country, parents are farmers. British friend of mine married a girl who was doing foot massages. Another British friend of mine married a woman with similar background to my wife. In fact, in ten years, I’ve only met one foreigner married to a “rich family”.

    The reason foreigners do better than Chinese at picking up girls is because we’re not closed minded, propaganda controlled, Chinese educated pee brains that, rather than trying to go out and meet a girl, write articles about how we can’t.

    • Markoff

      same here, I know few laowais married to CN girl and none of them is rich, usually middle class or quite poor, for sure not married for money

      • knowit

        You are precisely correct, most Laowei in China are losers.
        Whomever wrote this article is generalizing that Laowei’s are rich.

        Either that or they are some deluded Chinese girl.

        • vincent

          He’s referring to the Chinese girls being poor, learn to read ‘knowit’

          • Rusty

            His useless comment could have been understood either way, learn some compassion, ‘vincent’

          • vincent

            haha oh really? From reading your comments I can see you’re just full of compassion and he misunderstood the comment, or you just prefer to comment on what I said because you like ‘knowit’s’ comment you know since he called laowai ‘losers’.

          • Rusty

            No, today I felt like bashing on people, and there isn’t a better place than cS to find reasons ^^ And no I didn’t particularly like knowit’s comment, just stated that the comment he was referring to could have been understood either way. And for my compassion, as you refer to my other and I admit angry comments, it just doesn’t go to the stupid and detracting side of the human race.

          • vincent

            Oh, well see here’s the thing I didn’t actually insult him, I was actually giving him a reasonable suggestion, I could have called him an ‘idiot’ or ‘retard’ but I don’t particularly enjoy demeaning people.
            I really do hope ‘knowit’ takes a course in the English language so as to avoid a toungue lashing from somone else, you see I do care for my fellow human beings.
            I can see how you may have misconstrued my comment but it’s alright we all make mistakes. ^^

          • Rusty

            Thank you for really hoping for knowit’s English to improve and thank you SOOOO much for forgiving my mistakes!

          • vincent

            You’re welcome ;)

          • Kdog

            Pride wastes forum space. Don’t bother and move on.

          • ManofEarth

            sissygirls are all alike – dont bother ; )

          • Rusty

            Wow, comments deleted, and Vincent takes another shot in another direction. Still doesn’t make sense though.

          • vincent

            Ahh actully when i first replied to your comment your name came up as ‘Cameron’, so I gave a rather impassioned response, only after a refresh of the webpage did I see that you were ‘rusty’, guess the Disqus system does have kinks to work out :P

        • Probotector

          Most foreigners in China are losers? So you’ve met a lot of them have you, you know foreigners well? Or is that just your bigotry and insecurity muddling your mind? You can’t just stereotype and expect it to come out as fact. Also, it’s spelled ‘laowai’ not ‘laowei’. For someone calling themself ‘knowit’, you don’t know very much, do you?

        • Dude

          “Most laowai in china are losers”? How about most people everywhere are losers. There are good and bad people everywhere. Chinese are really racist, I would have to say, and extremely hypocritical.

        • Gary

          I kind of agree with Knowit’s comment, I am a Laowai myself and I moved here as my girlfriend of almost four years is from China. We met at University in the UK. Many of the Laowai’s I have met, not all but many, are what I refer to as glorified sex tourists. They claim they are teachers but many have only one intention of sleeping with as many girls as possible. Unfortunately many of us Laowais are now stereotyped with this image.

          However, to say that most Laowais are losers is absolute tripe. I for one have just received my Masters degree from a top 100 University which competes with Cambridge and Oxford and at present I am teaching Social Science at one of the best and most affluent high schools in Xi’an. Not bad for a loser! I agree many of them are losers and in many cases absolute weirdo’s, who in my opinion should not be let anywhere near kids. Yet to state that most of them are losers is slightly ridiculous.

          • Probotector

            Why do you call yourself ‘laowai’?

          • Gary

            Because I’m a foreigner

          • Probotector

            Yeah but you understand that although ‘laowai’ directly translates as ‘foreigner’, it is used with a derogatory meaning for Chinese to create a concept of ‘us vs them’. A better term would be expat. Have some self-respect.

          • Gary

            I understand your point but you sound like one of those insecure foreigners who gets upset whenever he gets called Laowai. Did you come to China thinking you would be liked, loved and accepted just because you are different? Did you think you could be a small time celebrity? Did it break your heart when you realised how much racism and rejection you would face? Listen, if people wanna use derogative names towards me let them do it, I can assure you it takes a lot to make me cry and I certainly didn’t come to China to win a popularity contest, and neither should you! I have had many conversations with Chinese who have used the term Laowai in a passing sense and meant absolutely no harm what so ever, I have also had the term Laowai used in a derogative sense also and to be quite honest, I DON’T CARE! If uneducated Chinese people wanna look down on us, let them! Seriously, don’t ever be upset and let some uneducated uncivilised person get the better of you purely because they have an ‘Us vs them’ mentality, and in many ways is quite possibly jealous of the fact you earn more money than them.

          • Probotector

            I didn’t have any of those preconceptions. The difference is I DO CARE about how people speak to me because all people should be treated with respect (and before you scream “respect needs to be earned”, I’m talking about the rudimentary level of respect that everyone deserves, like respect to privacy and dignity) you’d agree with that wouldn’t you?

            Besides, this is not the point. The point I made was the you use the term ‘laowai’ or ‘foreigner’ to describe yourself and the rest of us. There’s more fitting and dignified terminology. You may think I’m mincing words, but it’s a difference of opinion, and I doubt very much that I’m alone in having it.

          • Gary

            Do you live in China?

          • anonymous

            lol.. how ignorant of you to think in such a way. remember… your not in America anymore. individualistic ideology at its best… you go into another country with American ideals and idoctrinations and you expect them to treat in the same way as you were in the US or any english speaking state? how fugin foolish are you? granted.. i really don’t like their mode of treating foreigners, but do you really think you can go into their country and DEMAND the same level of respect (including privacy and dignity) GL bro.. like they say ignorance is bliss.

          • Probotector

            1. It’s ‘you’re’ not ‘your’, it’s a contraction of ‘you are’; get it right.

            2. I’m not American. Why do you think everyone who speaks English is American? Are you not ignorant yourself?

            3.”i really don’t like their mode of treating foreigners, but do you really think you can go into their country and DEMAND the same level of respect ”

            Contradiction.

            4. What are you talking about? Now, either you’re a Chinese who is arrogant and think’s he’s superior to all other people, or you’re a whining western liberal who is indoctrinated to be ashamed of being white. So which is it?

            Basically, what you’re saying is that Chinese have the right to treat others like shit because we’re within their borders. So can Americans treat non-Americans like shit inside the US? Is that how your logic works?

            I can tell you now that is not how it works in the US (or any other western country) these days. Normally our societies bend over backwards to accommodate foreigners. I’ll bet you oppose racism too, right? Just as long as it’s not racism against white or western people, because I suppose you think we all deserve it, yes?

            Respect and kindness should be given to all peoples regardless of anything.

          • Stefan Xu

            you are a laowai

          • rusty

            any moron can get a diploma, it just says you were lucky enough to get an education
            the fact that you brag about it however, says a lot about you

          • Gary

            Diploma? I wouldn’t know I earned a Masters Degree. In what way was I bragging? I can assure you many more people went to my university and earned a higher grade than me. Many, many more people have went to better Universities such as the two previously mentioned as well as Ivy league institutions such as Harvard, Yale or Berkeley. I love the way you are so eager to call me a Moron when in reality you probably wouldn’t say jack shit to someone’s face. I can assure I am nothing more than an average working class individual who worked hard to get into my University. As for you, I imagine you are nothing more than a coward who shouts his mouth off online and doesn’t have the balls to say it to someone’s face.

    • Irvin

      The original poster of the article is just stating from his limited experience and around his limited social circle, and so are we. It’s informative and maybe even helpful sure, but only fools would take it as a be all end all to laowai behaviors in china.

      A good philosophy to live by is: The only certainty in the world is uncertainty and nothing is absolute.

      • Rick in China

        That’s the problem Irvin. When articles like this are given credence and used to stoke race-fires. This type of nonsense article is literally just bashing of laowai in China, it has nothing to do with “upping the game” of the locals as it claims.

        Sure, “…only fools would take it…”, but this is the internet – and this is exactly where already angry men would take their marching orders to hate on laowai dudes spreading this type of ignorance to all their friends, or hating on Chinese women who are with foreigners. It’s dangerous, and will just lead to more problems for the people it’s hating on..

        Another major issue here, the article constantly refers to things like cost of fucking (indirectly, like “17 rmb” to get what chinese men spend thousands on!). The simple issue here is this: When the mind-set is how much money do you have to spend on a girl to get your little dick inside of her, you’re essentially breaking women down into prostitutes…and when you treat women like prostitutes, don’t bitch when they expect to get paid!

        • Irvin

          I don’t remember where I posted but I already laid out a formular for absolute logical and mathematical calculation of the economical cost of relationships. I think it was the money you spent on your gf divide by the times you fucked her and compare it with the market price of prostitutes, if it’s lower than the market price of prostitute then you got a profit.

          regarding to your responds, it isn’t just about the internet, it’s about humans and the majority.

          the fact is: majority of people in the world are fucking stupid, gullible and basically: imbicles. that’s why I lost hope in humanity and sometimes hates human.

          But live is about rolling with the punch and try to make the best of a bad situation. So whenever we feel that the world is fucked up, let’s just get a couple of beers and get drunk. (it always worked for me)

        • Hongwu

          The earth will be a better place when people start using their minds, rather than their coc*…

        • stvgl

          Exactly. How much you spend on a girl should be irrelevant these days. The fact that the writer actually mentions “17 rmb” so much, tells a lot about him/her rather than the supposedly douchy laowai.

    • ric

      nope the reason you and your brit friends were able to pick up girls easier was because you and your friends are brits. chinese has constantly looked at the west in high light.

    • http://www.facebook.com/marshallryuwang Marshall Ryu Wang

      Hey man, easy on the bash of Chinese population there…. Guys don’t marry girls for materials, but girls do that more often (like everywhere else in the world). Like the examples you have stated, I think the girls definitely taken that into account when they decided to marry your friends. The thing isn’t about “closed minded, propaganda controlled, Chinese educated”, it is the culture for about 5000 years, hard to change in a blink of eye right?

      • Benji

        5000 years of culture? I thought China just celebrated it’s 60th year of existence. ;)

    • Kevin

      I think it’s actually true that foreigners are much more skilled with girls. It’s just within their culture date earlier, have sex more casually, and go out more. Overall, this leads to them being much better at attracting girls, it doesn’t help that a lot of Chinese men come off as being creepy and cheap.

      • Gogodancer (in office :p)

        i understand what you are saying. But i had sex for the first time when i was 20. No “drugs, abortion” and all that other crap this retard talks about. And i’m still one million times more popular than a chinese guy. Why? Because i’m white? I think It’s because i’m better looking, more fun to be with and i have some opinions of my own. What about Chinese men? Not attractive (for the most part,sorry), boring as feck, forcing girls to drink, arguing “oppa farmer style” when they had one too many, and all night long every single bloody word coming out of their mouth is a cliche!

        • http://www.facebook.com/delyce.rojas Delyce Rojas

          Your comment is almost as moronic as the original post.

        • You Know,

          I don’t think you should generalize and call all Chinese men unattractive. That’s pretty rude. I suppose I am biased though, as I’m a Chinese girl (who moved to America) who is married to a Chinese guy. What a shitty comment.

        • redmini

          yes, you must be hot as shit, Gogodancer. god’s gift to chinese women hey? precisely why i would not want to go out with someone like you.

        • redmini

          yes, you must be hot as shit, Gogodancer. god’s gift to chinese women hey? precisely why i would not want to go out with someone like you.

    • Dent

      This article is over exaggerating. Chinese women are not interested in
      foreign men as much as what you think. A survey on 144 Chinese women shows that not a single of them
      have strong preferences towards foreign men.

      http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/understanding-attraction-foreign-men-china.htm

      Another survey also found foreign men less attractive in the eye of Chinese women.

      http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2009/0421/china-foreign-men-lose-appeal

      If you’ve been to north east China, you will find plenty of Russian
      women marrying Chinese men. Google yourself ‘Russian women marrying
      Chinese men’.

      Don’t trust everything in ChinaSmack. ChinaSmack just cherry pick it’s news.

    • xiaohouzi

      Well, with that logic, i guess most Chinese who go abroad are also losers.

      • xiaohouzi

        Much of the article rings true, like most girls everywhere are materialistic and most laowai in China are after either girls, money or both. I admit, i came to China at a time when i ran out of work in Romania and wanted to try something new. I found Chinese girls extremely attractive but i always tried to stay away from those who seemed wealthy or gold diggers. I was with my first Chinese girlfriend for 8 years and was very loyal to her but she was very selfish and by the end, i just couldn’t say or do anything right on her terms. I could have a car if i want to but does China really need another car on the road? I haven’t saved enough to buy a house, nor do i have a family because i refuse to settle down but that doesn’t mean i’m a loser, does it? I love to travel and maybe i’m frightened of the responsibility and question whether i should bring another person into the world as if the world needs more people. I feel the article can be somewhat accuate at times but hurtful, unfair and discriminatory at other times. I can understand why so many Chinese guys are angry but this laowai is not trying to hurt anyone. I’m only trying to find a home and someone who wants to share my life with me. I never had much success in relationships with other laowai, partly because i’ve always been different but being different is ok except maybe in some Islamic or communist countries. I’ve always said, if you don’t want your short, dark-skinned, small-eyed, poor, uneducated girls, i will treat them well as they deserve. They often have the biggest hearts and deserve to be loved. If i am not wanted for whatever reason, i’ll be ok alone but please don’t try to catorgorize me or discriminate. Laowai are not all bad as the article may insinuate. It could be propaganda to insite violence against laowai which amounts to racism. This laowai would like to help make China better through education or the occasional warning to naive Chinese girls who might be taken advantage of. The bottom line is, i’m not your competition and never want to be.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tee.kei.73 Tee Kei

          You are a laowai that I wish there was more of in china. I tip my hat to you — a fine gentleman

          • xiaohouzi

            Thank you, Tee Kei. You are very kind to say that. Happy Chinese New Year!

    • Dent

      Foreigners are not really good at picking girls compare to Chinese men. Chinese women go for western men for financial reason. However, ever since the economic crisis, foreign men have become less desirable among Chinese women.

      http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2009/0421/china-foreign-men-lose-appeal

      A survey on 144 Chinese women shows that not a single one of them show strong preferences towards foreign men.

      http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/understanding-attraction-foreign-men-china.htm

      In America, Asian American marry people within their own race.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/fashion/more-asian-americans-marrying-within-their-race.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

      In northeast China, there’s plenty or Russian women who marry Chinese men. Google yourself ‘Russian women marrying Chinese men’. Don’t believe everything in ChinaSmack who cherry pick their news.

      • rusty

        THE Chinese women WHO go for western men DO IT for financial reasons.

        • Anonymous

          How about some still do it for real love? Not every girl is a golddigging SB and not every laowai is a poor loser. You sir, are an ignorant prick!

          • xiaohouzi

            True. There are still some wonderful girls in China who do it for love but unfortunately, they’re an endangered species.

          • Dent

            Unfortunately, most foreign men who obviously not born from Chinese culture are being ignorant and unaware of the mentality of Chinese women. That is why when financial crisis happen, Chinese women desire for foreign men decrease and those foreign men are in denial.

          • xiaohouzi

            So you’re saying that Chinese women’s desire for foreign men has decreased because of the financial crisis or because the foreign men are being ignorant of the mentality of Chinese women or both? I can kind of see your point if Chinese women don’t want to be with an ignorant man but what does the financial crisis have to do with it unless the women are focusing most on money? Excuse me if your words are a little hard to follow.

        • Dent

          No doubt foreign men are losing appeal in China and also in America. Asian American women now prefer marry within their own race.

        • gogodancer (at office)

          Stupid attracts stupid…… I know that there still are quite a lot (since China has a lot of people) who are mainly interested in traditional qualities in man (rich guy, house,etc.) but i just avoid those girls…There are so many people in China which means that even the smallest proportion of educated women here still represents MANY women…why the feck would you bother going for all the stupid ones? Most of the girls i’ve met, friends or dates have always been smart, kindhearted and well educated and they is a lot who are charming and beautiful too. Sure! A lot of the 88 types are hot but i wouldn’t recommend those one for a stable relationships, i’ve had some experience in that field and they definitely don’t have the same standards of humanism or values that you might have.

      • xiaohouzi

        That’s usually right… Chinese go where the money is. If it seems a guy has no money for whatever reason, be it an economic crisis at home or just the wrong proffession, Chinese girls are reluctant to be with someone in that situation. Those kind of girls, the Chinese men can keep! No matter where they are from, who wants some materialistic, shallow bitch?

        • Gaius Baltar

          Well said, and I am done with their materialistic, peacockery behaviour.

        • Probotector

          I second that

      • gogodancer (from office)

        Most Chinese girls are uneducated (China is big) and of course most of them are not interested in foreign men, the ones who are interested in foreign men are usually well educated and they don’t like foreign men for financial reason for the simple reason that they are usually way richer.
        144 Chinese women survey? What kind of women? Sure if those women are monkey faces or 88 bar brainless cunts then i’m sure this survey is accurate. However from 7 years of experience of China, i will tell you from experience that among all the girls “that matter” (the educated ones, ones with an actually brain, and without any financially orientated relationship choices) 100% of them are STRONGLY ATTRACTED TO FOREIGNERS, that’s my own survey on the subject

        • Dent

          No, both the educated and the non educated Chinese girls are not into foreign men. Don’t lie. My own observation also shows similar things. I have Chinese girls as my girlfriend, sisters, cousins, aunts and friends and non of them show any interest in foreign men. You do realize I use more than one survey right? Here’ another more detail survey from Hongniang also shows Chinese women are not interested in foreign men. The proportion of Chinese women who expressed a desire to marry a foreign man had slumped from 42.5 per cent to just 16.8 per cent

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/5054057/Chinese-women-find-foreign-men-less-attractive-in-financial-crisis.html

          Ever since the financial crisis, Chinese women who marry foreign men found their happiness decrease. The amount of Chinese women who prefer foreign men decrease significantly. This trend also occur in America. Even Asian American women in western countries such as America now mostly marry men within their own race.

          • BiggJ

            If Chinese girls don’t like foreign men, then what are Chinese men complaining about? There should be no problem.

            I’ve lived in China for about 2 years off and on and have a Chinese wife I met in Canada. I’ve had this conversation with alot of chinese girls and most say they like white guys as do they like chinese guy. One thing I noticed the most was they would always mention they wanted a mixed baby, I guess just a whiter version of them. Almost every woman has said that.

            Before I moved to china I never thought this “foreigner’s fucking/stealing our woman” was even an issue. Compared to the number of chinese men, there are not many “white” foreigners around. How can this cause this a fucking mess here? Although I have a couple buddies here that do fuck alot of chinese girls. This I know to be true. A German guy I know we go out drinking sometimes. This guy is pretty good looking, He’s 6’4, blonde hair, blue eyes. Not a bad looking guy and the pussy this guy gets is fucking crazy. He can bring home 2-3 girls at a time. Sitting at a table in a bar 1/4 of the woman their are around him. I’ve never seen a Chinese guy get this kind of attention. And you might think this kind of thing happens in foreign countries too. From my experience there is always a table of chinese men at a bar in Canada with maybe 1 ugly chinese girl in the mix with them.

            Anyway, point is if you think Chinese girls don’t like white guys, that’s just not true. sure not all girls but there is enough of them for it to be very noticeable.

            If I was a China man I would be saying the same the same thing as you, I would be pissed. I would try so hard to find evidence that chinese girls hate white guy and try to spread bullshit among my people to discredit the white man.

          • Dent

            Simple. ChinaSmack have been cherry pick their news to badmouth Chinese people. Secondly, one person experience and observation in the internet such as yourself does not represent fact especially in the internet where people can lie and make up a bunch of stories. Chinese women are not into foreign men at all.

          • BiggJ

            And you are the spokesmen for chinese woman? I’m not saying they all do….but some do like white guys. That’s a fact. That’s like me saying white girls are not into chinese guys……I’m sure some are….not that many but im sure some are.

            When I first made my QQ account about 2 years I put all my personal information in, my picture and all that and set my location to Nova Scotia, Canada. And for the love of god everyday I had 20-30 girls trying to talk to me in chinglish. This went on for about 6 months and then I switched my location to Hangzhou and changed my picture to Jackie Chan and that stopped all message coming in. If you don’t trust me just try it for yourself. Make a QQ account and but some white country as your location and a white guy picture. Tell me what happens….

          • Dent

            I didn’t say all Chinese women not into white men. Most Chinese women/majority of them are not into white men. Yes, there are also white women/Russian women who are into Chinese men as well. If you’ve been to northeast China, such marriage is common. QQ account? Sorry, but I don’t know what is that nor do I care. I don’t spend too much time in the internet. If it’s some dating website then I’ve to say in advance that I’m not into internet dating. I get girls in real life. Also, if you think people will believe stories by some faceless random guys in the internet such as yourself, you are wasting your time.

          • BiggJ

            And this coming from the faceless contradiction……

          • Dent

            True, which is why I post news from The Telegraph and New York Times to prove my point.

          • BiggJ

            What is your point? It’s ok I don’t really care. For real.. All i’m saying is if this was not a problem to chinese men this discussion and countless others would not be taking place. There must be some truth to it.

          • Dent

            My point is that white men x Chinese women couples and Chinese women like white men has been over exaggerated.

          • BiggJ

            Well that is because there is not enough of us to supply all chinese woman.:)

          • Dent

            Actually, it because foreign men/western men are not as desirable as some people try to make it sound like. Even in America where white men outnumber Asian men, Asian American women now mostly marry Asian men.

          • Aituo

            It is the same the world over. White women liking black men. White men liking black women. etc… The list goes on. Saying you back things up by a newspaper isn’t too credible. The media has been known to lie.

          • Dent

            And saying Chinese women like white men without any basis is credible? Media is lying but you aren’t? Sorry, but in Asia, the fact is Asian women are not into white men. Most Chinese women who have white men as partner are mostly from the older generation, women in their late 30s.

          • CM

            Aituo, in that case, you might as well said all the groundless claim that Chinese women like white men including this articles in China Smack is a lie,otherwise, it just a bias double standard from you.

            All I can see is that a bunch of denial by western men who refuse to accept reality that western men are not really that desirable,are losing their appeal and only want to hear what they want to hear and accuse others of lying when things doesn’t goes the way they want.

          • Dent

            White men logic: Anything that does not support the superiority of white men is a lie.

          • sfghik

            The media is still more credible than some guy in the internet like you.

          • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

            “Even in America where white men outnumber Asian men, Asian American women now mostly marry Asian men.”

            Wait, you think it’s shocking or even remotely ironic that Asians in the US are marrying… other Asians? Dear Lord..

          • Hansaram

            The whole point is that foreign men are not desire by Asian American women even when white men are in more available than Asian American men and the fact that Asian American women now mostly marry Asian men more than before shows that white men value is getting lower from Asian women point of view.

          • linette lee

            …………………..my picture and all that and set my location to Nova Scotia, Canada. And for the love of god everyday I had 20-30 girls trying to talk to me in chinglish. This went on for about 6 months and then I switched my location to Hangzhou and changed my picture to Jackie Chan and…………………

            Don’t put Jackie Chan picture on your QQ account. Jacky is well known among Chinese for his ugliness. Jacky chan is short and very ugly but rich. If you tell chinese people you look like Jackie chan that means you are telling them you are ugly.

            Next time put a photo of those tall chinese dude like Lee Hom wang or 林峰. Say that you look like them. And put your location like Taiwan or hong kong. I guarantee you will have 3000 china girls try to talk to you on QQ daily.

            http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ubp-IUq80vk/TdcgYv7GNAI/AAAAAAAADMs/ZGrfnTsMZ_Q/s1600/lee%2Bhom2.gif

            http://imgtuku.mingxing.com/upload/hd_imgfile/20101123/1290490679RAvWvN.jpg

          • Hongwu

            The main objective of the blog is to highlight some polemic stuff, which happens to be offensive for some of us. its only natural and it also happens in koreabang, indiaboom,etc etc

          • sfghik

            Says the delusional white guy who are in denial and refuse to accept reality that white men are not desirable and got no evidence to support his claims and have to resolve and come up with fictional stories to prove himself in the internet.

          • BiggJ

            And by evidence and you mean going to google or baidu or whatever the fuck and typing in “why chinese girls hate white guys”. I could do the same and type in “why chinese girls like white guys” And link articles contradicting everything you linked. As long as you have a girlfriend or wife why should you care who the girls or don’t like? For all I care every white girl can fuck whoever she wants and you hear me complaining.

          • sfghik

            Still much more reliable than all those baseless nonsense that Chinese girls like white men. Beside, it’s a survey on Chinese women in general. If you can post survey that Chinese women like white men feel free to do so.

          • sfghik

            In other words, show me a survey that Chinese women desire for foreign men increase or Chinese women prefer foreign men more than Chinese men.

          • Aituo

            Surveys can be manipulated so would you really trust one? One generally can see from personal experience what happens in China. I do not know anything about you but I would suggest you take your head out of the hole it is in and see for yourself.

          • Dent

            If you want to accuse the survey to be manipulated then so be it, but in China itself, there’s not many Chinese women who are into white men. Don’t believe in me, go see it yourself if you want to continue to be in denial.

          • Dent

            The survey does not lie. There’s two separate survey that shows similar result, three if you include the one from America.

          • sfghik

            I don’t know how to describe how stupid and ignorant this comment by Aituo. See it for yourself? Are you even native in China? I’ve been born and live in China for many years and I can guarantee you Chinese women are into white men. Younger generation of Chinese women dating white men are extremely rare and non existence. Some idiot never travel to China and try to pretend to be smart as if they know better. The survey which shows Chinese women do not found white men attractive are in line with my experience and observation in China.

          • BoraBora

            I can guarantee you Chinese women are into white men.

            ??? I think you make mistakes and are trying to say ‘Chinese women are NOT into white men’.

          • Probotector

            “…I can guarantee you Chinese women are into white men. Younger generation of Chinese women dating white men are extremely rare and non existence”

            Well that’s a contradiction.

          • Dent

            I would like to see a prove from you that the survey is manipulated.

          • BoraBora

            Aituo,I would like to suggest you to take your own advice and eat your own words. Have you ever been to China? In China, the amount of Chinese women who are into foreign men are very rare and almost non existence. Buy a plane ticket and come here to China and see it yourself. From Chinese women point of view, white men is nothing special.

          • BoraBora

            I really suggest you to take your own advice and eat your own words. Have you ever been to China? There amount of Chinese women who are into foreign men are very rare and non existence. Please buy a plane ticket and come here and see it yourself in China.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            same thing happen to this one foreign student that came to my uni, blonde hair and tall and a lot of girls line up for him and all of them Chinese. That was the first time I see rows of girls trying to chat up just one guy. Other Chinese girl that didnt line up call them cheap.

          • linette lee

            Same thing will also happen when a tall well built handsome taiwan or Hk chinese guy show up in any china university. china girls will line up trying to get their attention. They have hk or taiwan green card.

            http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/8Lqg5LAOIVdaLU9V7G3nMw–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD05NDM7cT04NTt3PTYzMA–/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-11-24T130844Z_242547279_GM1E8BO1LYR01_RTRMADP_3_TAIWAN.JPG

            http://patpoh.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/38/1282717922/thumbnail_600_600_1_ratio.jpg

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            except northerner, some I know made it clear to me they will never marry southerner men. They have a term for it but I forgot.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tee.kei.73 Tee Kei

            ‘china man’? one of the issues I have with chinese girls marrying caucasian men is that there’s the possibility of them being closet racists with a superiority complex.

          • BiggJ

            Englishmen Irishmen Chinamen…..What’s the big deal? Talk about being racist? Have you spoke to a Chinese before?They are just as and if not more racist the we are.

          • BoraBora

            This is true.Asian women are into western men not because white men make
            better husband/boyfriend, but rather, western men are seen as status
            symbol as western countries control the economy and the political order
            of the world. Marrying white men is like marry up and climbing up your
            social status making you more superior. Here read this. Many Asian women
            who marry western men are snobbish and do it for status but Chinese men
            who marry white women are not like that and do not brag about their mix
            children. This also happen in Philippines, not just China.

            http://www.colorq.org/petsins/page.php?y=2002&m=11&x=11_5

            However,
            when economic crisis happen, asian women realize white men are not as
            special as what some people think which is why the demand for westernmen
            among Chinese women drop significantly and Asian American women now
            choose to marry Asian American men.

          • linette lee

            What BoraBora said is 100% true, I agreed.

            It’s mostly about green card and status. You will see those china girl want to marry white men only with access to western countries and not color men = Africa to the china women. That also explain why close to 80% of overseas Chinese girls marry to chinese men even though majority of men are white and black. It’s the culture and the communities they grew up in. I am sure still many married for love and have no due to race. Race should not be part of the reason why you marry a person.

          • Probotector

            “If I was a China man I would be saying the same the same thing as you, I would be pissed. I would try so hard to find evidence that chinese girls hate white guy and try to spread bullshit among my people to discredit the white man.”

            Why exactly? Chinese guys getting pissed because ‘their women’ choose a white guy is indefensible, and is evidence of the racism and misogyny of the chinese male.

          • BoraBora

            The only things that tick off most Chinese male is the fact those Chinese women like white men have been totally over exaggerated and white men got piss off just because Chinese men said such things is not true is evidence of white men racism of race superiority complex.

          • Probotector

            Sounds like Chinese racial superiority complex.

          • BoraBora

            Nope, it’s the other way around.

          • Probotector

            So if a ‘foreigner’ has something negative to say about China, it’s a racism superiority complex. Don’t flatter yourself.

          • BoraBora

            If it’s true then I don’t mind, but if it’s false then yes it’s racism superiority complex.

          • Hansaram

            Agree, especially when you consider the fact Chinese women never like white men in the first place and white men keep lie and try to make false generalization which lead to false stereotype that Asian women like white men which is evidence of racism from white people.

          • Gaius Baltar

            So according to that article, either Chinese girls equate happiness with money, or the telegraph’s reporting sucks. I think the telegraph still has some journalistic integrity, so that leaves the former in my mind. Happiness in Chinese (and asian) womens eyes and minds is related to money, but good luck with that once they get past 30/35.

        • Dent

          Oh, by the way, did you know that when Japanese women want to date outside their ethnic group, they don’t go for western men but instead,they go for Bali/Indonesian men? Prove that western men are not as desirable by Asian women as some people think.
          http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2010/05/11/japanese-gals-flock-to-balis-beach-boys-for-lots-of-fun-fun-fun/
          http://www.indoboom.com/2012/stories/japanese-women-travel-to-bali-for-sex-with-local-beach-boys.html

          • sfghik

            Poor white men. They think white men are desire by Asian women to the point they have to travel to Asia and become English teacher. On the other hand, those Bali men doesn’t need to travel to Japan to get laid. Those Japanese women themselves travel to Bali to have sex with the men there.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            they didnt go to Bali to date. Its the same with some white men in Thailand. They didnt go there to find a future husband/wife.

            Maybe in mainland China, but that probably due to conservative culture. No doubt they find white men attractive but just fear to act on it. Alot of Chinese from anywhere else find white men attractive and some even make it clear to people around them that they will either date another Chinese or if foreigner, only white.

          • Dent

            Even if Japanese women not there to get Bali husband, the fact remain those Japanese women don’t go for western men for sex. Why choose Bali men instead of western men? Perhaps, they found Bali men more attractive than western men.

          • BiggJ

            Why not choose chinamen??? There is so many of you.

          • Dent

            Are you seriously asking? Do I have to educate you the history between Japan and China. Still, there’s an article from Japan Today that says Chinese men in Japan have been getting Japanese girls.

            http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/china-outperforming-japan-in-campus-romance

          • Dent

            If the article by Japan Today is true that Chinese men been getting Japanese girls in Japan and manage to outperform Japanese men despite the fact Chinese men is in minority and some of you are shock when you found this out,I’ve to say you’ve been brain wash by China Smack. China Smack only posted news that you want to hear just to make yourself feel superior in front of Chinese. Don’t limit yourself to just China Smack who cherry pick their news.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            you maybe right there must be a reason. My opinion is that its only for sensual pleasure because these men are also trained with erotic massaging technique. Maybe what they are looking for is a new way to feel the ecstasy of orgasm. The Japanese taste are a little different than the other east Asian.

          • BoraBora

            There’s attractive men in every race/ethnic, not just white men alone.

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            i know that, i wasnt saying only white men are attractive i was just writing what some people have said to me

          • BoraBora

            Actually, Chinese women, at least the one back in ancient China who have not been brainwash by western standard of beauties do not found white men attractive. Ordinary Chinese prostitutes found white men to be strange/weird looking and don’t want to approach them.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#Tanka_Prostitution_During_the_Qing_dynasty_and_Republican_Era

          • https://www.facebook.com/dinie.akhemu Gerhana

            interesting, thank you for this

          • You Know,

            These days, beauty is very euro-centric, which is why many non-white races, such as East Asians, Africans, Indians, etc all find white people to be “better looking.”

          • URSTILLALLCUPIDSTUNTS

            I was in China ten long years, I noticed how on the whole, how over time as the Chinese economy steadily rose and more and more became richer and richer, you would see fewer and fewer beautiful girls walking down the street, then looked into the cars and saw them all drivin….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjYMuAsfJYw also many pretty young girls with really ugly chinese boyfriends, why…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjYMuAsfJYw beauty my friends is $$$$, how deep are your pockets…. how phoo cable is yo beach !

          • linette lee

            What a fxcking bitch. She throws tantrum to make her boyfriend buy her a car??

          • linette lee

            I find this very true in dating culture among chinese. I am chinese and this is what I am experiencing. IT’s all about family and family background. They look at your background like where you are from. What education. How much wealth….both chinese men and chinese women look into those things a lot. Chinese are extremely picky with how much wealth you have and education.

            “There are two things you need to keep in mind when referring to Chinese guys: family and money. Chinese guys (and Chinese people in general) seem to be very influenced by their family’s opinion. So if you’re not on the positive side of their parents, consider yourself unlucky. However, this only applies to half of the Chinese guys. The other half can be incredibly Americanized and the difficulty when dating them is fairly low.

            One of the aspects that I’ve found true with Chinese guys is that they have their shit together. Most of em are successful, well educated, and very opinionated. Compared to Korean guys, Chinese guys can be a little less uptight but more strict with certain aspects in dating. Unlike Korean guys – who seem very picky about whether you’re Korean or not – Chinese guys are often picky about your actual attributes, e.g., what school did you go to? What is your degree? Is your family wealthy? Are you well mannered?”

            http://ranierm.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/the-which-asian-guy-is-right-for-me-guide-for-non-asian-girls/

            sometimes maybe it’s easier to marry to a non chinese. Not as much pressure.

          • BoraBora

            True..our world standard of beauty have been heavily influence by western media. Back in ancient times where Chinese women and non white women around the world are still not being brainwash by western standard of beauty, no non white women will found white men attractive.

        • Hongwu

          That’s why I sometimes think that marriages should be arranged.

      • Justin

        144 isn’t a very large sample size, so that survey is pretty invalid and unscientific, not to say that its assertions are untrue, but I just thought I’d point that out.

        • BoraBora

          True, but the fact among 144 and not a single one show preferences for foreign men really shows how people have over exaggerated this whole things about Chinese women preferences for foreign men as if it represent the majority of Chinese women. Chinese women who are into foreign men are in the minority.

          Dent also post another separate survey which also shows Chinese women preferences for foreign men decrease and Chinese women who marry foreign men found that their happiness also decrease.

    • Duke

      Amen. My wife is from China and not rich at all. She feels sorry for all her friends still dating or married to local men. She says they suck. Immature cry babies always looking for a replacement for their moms. AKA house slave that kisses your ass. Gentlemen? Nope. Good in bed. Nah. Known for having many extra women? Yes. Who keeps all the whorehouses in business? Laowai? I don’t think so. Why do so many local women want to don’t laowai? Why don’t more?

      • Thomas

        I agree….Ny wife is Asian also…Can the world STOP BLAMING the WHITE & BLACK GUYS FOR EVERYTHING DAMN….We’ve done pretty damn good HELPING THE WORLD ALSO for the last 100 yrs…Getting limbs blown off..Taking Bullets..Rebuilding countries Giving Billions of dollars. Right Duke!.

        • Hongwu Emperor

          Getting limbs blown off and taking bullets is something almost all nations experienced in the bloody last 100-150 years…

    • SonofSpermcube

      I think to some degree you’re right. Not because foreigners aren’t generally controlled by propaganda, on the whole we are. But because the ones who leave their home countries tend to be a lot more independent-minded than the ones who don’t. No one is likely to ever meet a Teabagger while living in China.

  • ThinkBlue

    I’ve never read anything with more confirmation bias in my life. He is just writing what he and other people want to hear. He has categorically generalized an entire body of people – an entire set of races. He didn’t even specifically refer to one race (but only included pictures of white men). He has set a massive sexist double standard. He has DECLARED WAR! WE WILL FIGHT ON! WHO IS WITH ME!!!??? (nahh, kidding ’bout the war thing)

    Confirmation bias, confirmation bias everywhere…

  • http://twitter.com/SaschaMatuszak Sascha Matuszak

    LOL. this is old. Chinasmack is running out of content and has to publish this half-man’s insecure rant disguised as “research” … Many Chinese men either buy their women, or demean themselves in order to keep a woman around. I have seen some upstanding Chinese men, and they do just fine, but too many believe the bullshit posted here and blame all of their problems on someone else. Good luck pussies.

    • MonkeyMouth

      Aye Aye, Sascha. You have written your version of this, too. Good articles,man. Ding Ding Ding. Havent seen you in chengdu for a while…are you still in China?

    • maybeabanana

      Yeahhhh yeaaaa!

  • Fernando

    POOR INSECURE CHINESE BASTARD WHO WROTE THIS! First, he shouldn’t put all foreigners in the same basket. HEY! I have my own trading company in China and I have my own company in my own country, so I do quite well plus I’m planning to marry my Chinese girlfriend simply because I really love her….she’s not rich at all, just a lovely and educated girl. So all of you childish jealous bastards, first learn to treat your women right, get groomed (at least brush those teeth), don’t smoke like a chimney, stop paying too much attention to your mahjong or cards games or stupid friends, SIMPLY TREAT YOUR GIRLS RIGHT & probably you too can catch lots of girls.

    • Rusty

      So pathetic. Missing the point, shamelessly bragging about a girl (who if she exists will definitely dump your insecure and probably ugly ass) and even daring to give Chinese people advice. At least you’ll have more chances to catch lots girls and treat your girls right ^^ Get out of China, you obviously have nothing to do there. I wish you a well-deserved bankruptcy!

      • Thor

        @ “ACE” and Rusty : come on, you’re just jealous trolls, arent’you ?

        • Rusty

          YES. You are RIGHT. Feels good?

      • Fernando

        “have nothing to do here”?? huh?? Just the other night I made your mom extremely happy in bed, shame on your father who made you in just 2 minutes….HAHA

        • Rusty

          No comment. You actually make my point about… well, everything I ever said on this forum. I know you don’t understand. But thank you anyway.

    • ACE

      WTF! I have several White Trash under my control and I gave them SHIT day in and day out! White Trash are my slaves!

      • Fernando

        tough talk for a skinny insecure bastard as you…haha I’m not white & I’d surely knock you out dead with one punch ridiculous fool! HAHA

        • ACE

          Blacks are the same as Scammers & Cheats!!! No need to get mad & use violence here,I’ll just use my 4X4 land cruiser to RAMMED it up your mama’s BIG FAT ARSE!!!

      • vincent

        You can hypnotize people?! :O

    • Rainer

      Fernando, Chinese actually have no problem with your poor laowai helping digest ugly part population of China. Look at the int’l couples around Huaihai Rd. you have to admit the truth in it. No, I of course meant the ugliest part of population, including your girl, lol!

      • Fernando

        thanks! ugly but with nice heart. Surely your mom was such a pretty hooker…LOL

  • http://profiles.google.com/gabriel.corsetti gabriele corsetti

    “Very simple, I have a lot of foreign friends. Among them there
    are also some honest and dependable people, “as rare as the hair of a
    phoenix and the horns of a kylin” [Chinese idiom], but the majority of
    the laowai in China are ultimately unreliable.”

    That’s funny, that’s exactly what the foreigners in China all say about the Chinese. Maybe the ignorance and misunderstanding are on both sides.

    • Irvin

      People likes to lump and stereotype, there’s nothing wrong with it, it gives us a general idea of how something could be and probably is, but those who over stereotype things are only limiting their perceptions and horizon.

      • Rusty

        Foreigners sleeping with many girls are probably just opening their perceptions and horizon.

        • Irvin

          For both sides, sure. I didn’t know foreign girl’s pointy nose would get in the way of kissing until I kissed one.

          • Rusty

            Well now you know, and you come out the other side a better man. By all means, continue.

          • Irvin

            “Better” depends on point of view, I could very well came out “disturbed” from the whole experience. Ignorance is bliss.

          • Rusty

            Ok that one hurts.

          • donscarletti

            If you were any good at kissing, you would know to turn your head 30 degrees to get a better lip seal. If you’re trying to kiss in a vertical plane where your noses could potentially collide, you’ve got bigger problems than anyone’s nose.

            Anyway, as your mother said after she took my virginity at age 14: practice makes perfect.

            By the way, are you one of the guys who whacked off furiously to 龍泽罗拉 and
            then complained about her nostrils when he saw that still shot?

          • Kate

            This made me lol.

          • aerinmeister

            All of my yes. Hahahaha!

          • Anon

            +1

          • anonymous

            i love how white folks get all defensive when an asian guy talks about kissing one of their girls… talk about double standard… hey brother… don’t get butt hurt, but its true… sometimes your witch nose does get in the way !!!

          • Kate

            I call Bullshit, I doubt you’ve ever actually had a foreign girl even look at you.

          • Irvin

            Ironically the foreign girl I had also name kate, she’s from latvia, you’re not her are you?

      • nutter

        As if the Chinese guys wouldn’t be sleeping around if they only could. Instead they wait until they are married, then they go out and pay for it. sad cases.

    • http://www.facebook.com/marshallryuwang Marshall Ryu Wang

      The Chinese think the laowais are unreliable because most of them are going to leave the country anyways. Why do laowais think Chinese are unreliable?

      • Bobby

        Because of the fake products/food everywhere, scams at every street corner and global lack of honesty in relationships.

        But I have to say that once you are friend or family with chinese people, they become much more reliable than westerners.

      • nutter

        The sleeping at their desks?

        • rollin wit 9′s

          i think its the ability to confirm an order, repeat it back 100% ERROR FREE and still get it to you all FCKD UP!

    • Jahar

      The best thing is, this is how he talks about his foreign friends. I wish I had some friends who thought so highly of me.

  • Daniel Tynan

    We are rare in mono cultural China. What is rare is perceived as having higher value. The day China becomes multicultural and liberal, full of immigrants is the day Chinese girls will stop seeing laowai as rare and precious. It is as simple as that. He is right about one thing. We are shrewd to find a Chinese beauty while perceptions are in our favor.

  • vincent

    Cue comment shitstorm.

    • mr.wiener

      I’m donning my wet weather gear as you speak

      • vincent

        I predict that it’s going to get really bad, might as well stay indoors haha

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      I’m just here for the soy sauce, and to watch folks just troll each other as a battle of attrition means no winners, and then we can look forward to the next one of these “Chinese Women: Don’t Sleep With Foreigners” (2013 edition) in another couple of months.

      Vincent, you good? How are you enjoying the weather, wherever you are?

      • vincent

        Hey terroir, I’m fine thanks, hope you’re doing well too, the weather is relatively nice and smog free here in Zhuhai although I’m not looking forward to all the air and noise pollution that comes with Chinese New Year. How are things on your end my friend?

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          *can’t tell if serious or am being trolled…..”

          I. Am. Fine. And your local sports team?

          • vincent

            Sent them home early as CNY is just around the corner, trying to avoid the ‘biggest human migration’, rush hour in Shenzhen’s MRT is bad enough :P

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            As long as you’re not going back to Sichuan, you should be okay. But then you’re *probably* not a migrant worker who is working on infrastructure projects.

          • vincent

            Heading to Fujian my wife’s hometown, ah yeah I’m *probably* not a migrant worker, lol. I do feel sorry for those poor guys though, since the Chinese Railways decided to go online, that makes it all the more harder for the migrant workers who aren’t tech savvy to get tickets.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            That is a huge story these days. Those guys were complaining, “Oh, it’s so unfair, how come they get to book online and we don’t?”

            Well, not as big a story as this…

          • Alain

            That was a ridiculous idea, and one reason I don’t have credit cards (cut up all my cards many years ago!) and buying tickets online is a chinese obsession. I prefer it in my hand, in paper.

    • Slob

      I find it hilarious, it’s about time an article stirred up some storm. Was getting bored wtih the desert articles.

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        You’re either a very devoted reader of cS or your version of Internet Explorer is broken and can only drive straight ahead to the last webpage you visited in a fit of morbid, cross-cultural curiosity.

  • skewwhiffy

    What a load of casually-racist claptrap.

    • Rusty

      Classic Sanlitun-promoting foreigner response. But hey, you got 9 votes until now. So you’re probably right (let’s not wonder who voted).

      • moody

        Because you honestly think it is not a racist post ?

        • Rusty

          Yes, I very honestly think so.

          • moody

            Since the racism of that piece is un-missable, that tells a lot about how much your “honesty” is worth.

            Same for the writer of this article.
            Smoky theory and bow legged arguments backed up by what the writter’s “foreigner friends” tells him.

            Inventions of a troubled mind to me.

            Else it would make him to be quite the hypocrite.

  • Smiles

    It’s difficult, but the only choice for Chinese men is to compete. The problem is that Chinese society’s education has never rewarded or allowed Chinese men to have the time to develop other qualities like creativity, physique, assertiveness, and extroverted behaviors. You have to develop these behaviors. Inside of running with your tail between your legs you need to change your attitude.

    After all, Attila the Hun was Asian, and he brought down the mighty Roman empire.
    White people will jump at any chance to put you down b/c you can be the biggest threat to them. Napoleon was afraid of China.

  • filabusta

    He has an extremely pessimistic view of humanity. Maybe the girls just wants to get laid. Plenty of Chinese men do the same thing. In summary this says ‘Foreigners have more game and I’m jealous’. I’ve been with my girlfriend for three years and she is as poor as they come, so this guy can blow me.

  • staryknight

    though not 100% true, most of this article is pretty right, i enjoyed the read, it could be offensive if you take offence easily. haters gonna hate!

  • youdbetterbelieveit

    Just reading this article gives you adequate insight into the way the mind of a ‘typical’ Chinese man works. And they wonder why the girls like to sleep with foreign men?! The answer lies in the fact that they cannot connect with a Chinese man ON ANY LEVEL. It’s not the fault of the foreign man at all. It’s their own doing! Any Chinese girls here want to try and refute that?

    • Germandude

      I am pretty sure “Jennster” is on the step into this discussion. He/She/It will be more than willing to explain life how it should be.

      • hess

        +1 up

        • Germandude

          hess, you back?! GOOD. That will increase the average IQ on these boards again. How is it going?

          • hess

            I’m all good, been busy chasing rich girls whos also good at cooking and housework. you?

          • Germandude

            Nah, I am married already, so I chased the poor and uneducated ones to fit the stereotype.

          • hess

            According to this guy “we” chase the rich, educated ones. Imho my partner can be as poor as dirt or as rich as Bill gates, as long as she dont have a “THIS IS CHINA!” atitude to everything

          • Germandude

            Yeah but we agree that the statements are shit and don’t make sense, so I thought I follow the doctrine.

  • BigCAD

    After a quick skim read one major reason has been missed off the list; 60+ years of communist nationalistic drum beating has robbed a large section of the male Chinese mainlanders of personality (not to mention the women). Whilst a male foreigner is willing to accept this void of personality in order to get laid, during five years on the mainland I only met three female westerners who had attempted to date a local (one of which was a product of my own matchmaking).

    Now if you compare this to say Taiwan, where male Taiwanese (strong leaning to American born) and female westerners match ups are not as rare as unicorns and Taiwanese birds are much more demanding in their partners, so the fresh of the boat English teacher has to work that much harder, it’s fairly clear that mouth foaming nationalism and a closed mind aren’t so hot and only devalue people.

  • kingbails

    ”An ignorant, racist collection of generalisations as written by a simpleton with no experience or evidence to back up his drivel.” Is this title more appropriate?

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      You should add “….that is read with great interest by lots of smart people with valuable insight to share”.

      That should do it. Maybe add “…to share out of kindness”.

      • kingbails

        For sure! Well considered, well meaning comments popping up everywhere

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          Well, I’m calling it now: it will top 800+ within two days, 1200 by the end of the week.

          Think of the all the comments: to what end civilization will benefit from this influx of wisdom will never be known until robot archeologists dig up our bones a 1000 years later, our skeletal fingers still tapping at mouses as we keep staring slack-jawed into the screen.

          • moody

            does it still count as Rusty must have posted about half of them using all his various accounts ?

          • Rusty

            Various accounts? So anyone who doesn’t go your way has to be some kind of deviant? Is it the only explanation that you can come up with? Well, as long as a majority up-vote you, the crap that you say has to make sense right?

          • moody

            Come on, I never called you a deviant.

          • Rusty

            Ok then, you just meant a very normal individual using many different accounts, which is all so normal. (“many” deducted from “all” and “different” deducted from “various”). Anyway, let’s move on. The sinkhole article’s value is waiting for you and your friends insightful opinions.

        • wally

          I personally think it’s quite funny and insightful. Maybe not totally accurate but some of the things he mentioned sound about right to me.

          I definitely know laowai who date Chinese girls like a sport (some use the tactics the op talked about) and I actually know a few foreigners who married rich capable women instead of really hot useless women, I don’t know many young chinese girls that cook or clean but I know plenty of capable one in the business fields.

          • kingbails

            But don’t you think you can say the same thing about dating girls for sport anywhere? I know what you mean, I sometimes get p*ssed off and slag off Chinese people in general or judge other expats here too harshly but then I think of the individuals I know and hate myself for having bitched! You just can’t generalise unless it is for a comedy show, then it’s actually quite funny…

  • disqus_dQ3TW3g2td

    Pull your asses out of Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou, and realize that the foreigners who go to those cities are a totally different breed of westerners than ones who choose smaller, less attractive cities. That’s why i never wanted to go to one of the bigger cities because those are the same foreigners you would normally see on jersey shore. Do a little more research about foreigners outside these cities before you judge them.

    • Markoff

      I beg your pardon, I live in Beijing so what kind of your stereotype it makes me? If you want do serious job you can’t do it outside big city, if you don’t consider it to be some poor teacher in village.

      • El Puma R.

        Well I don’t live in the major cities of China but I can say whenever I go to beijing it’s way easier to find the kind of people you hate in your own country.

        • Markoff

          you could say it’s much easier to find foreigners as well

          • El Puma R.

            indeed

  • Taddious

    There will be those amongst us who take the moral high ground with this article, disregarding stereotypes and claim to know x, y and z who are happily married to poor Chinese girls from the countryside.
    There will be those amongst us who troll, adding fuel to the fire, introducing yet more negative stereotypes in some vain attempt to look superior on the internets (herp derp)
    And there will be those amongst us…. who flinch at this article… hahaha

    • MonkeyMouth

      and its ‘those of us’ who read chinaSMACK for these very reasons

  • kingbails

    Whatever happened to live and let live? Concentrate on what makes you happy and worry less about what everyone else is doing! Stop judging but above all, please stop talking about dongs it’s pretty gay.

    • Nick in Beijing

      +1

  • Jhen

    WHAT?

    This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. I’ve lived in China for 2 years now, and there’s never been any “tactic” or “strategy” to get anything done for the night. It’s called being yourself and having a good time Rensi.

    This article is for sociopaths who want to try to point fingers as to why they don’t have any luck with girls. Clearly someone didn’t have any luck with finding a partner in the past, and began over-thinking things in a sickening way. Don’t try to portray white guys as secretly being sexual professionals who stomp over the Chinese men just to make up for your lack of social skills.

    Also I lost my virginity at 18, not 14. Today I’m 20, and have a Chinese girlfriend. Do you know what she thinks about Chinese guys? They’re immature, emotional little scrubs who bitch over the stupidest things, and are extremely jealous because their self-conscious about their own sexual “performance”. That’s the biggest problem Chinese guys have with picking up girls. They doubt themselves, they’re scared, and they can’t handle what so many girls clearly want.

    • sumitnone

      This is a load of garbage to justify your racism. You think by going with a Chinese girl it will boost your manliness. Because you are a coward and wimp when you are with white women. Your whole attraction to Chinese women is based on a lie that Asian women are submissive.

      • Jhen

        Racist? Coward? Lol you need your chin put in the pavement, and I’ll be glad to do it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tee.kei.73 Tee Kei

          The thing he was pointing to was you bashing chinese men, kind of like this article bashing whiteys. Why don’t you point me towards your direction mr. proud internet warrior or i can point you to mine cause i’d love to leave your chin in the pavement as well.

    • Rusty

      But you needed to come and write a long comment about this because you are NOT an insecure sociopath (sarcasm).

      • Jhen

        My comment is necessary to disprove ONE mans biased opinion. Tell me how that makes me a sociopath? Or perhaps you don’t know what a sociopath is.

        • Rusty

          Probably. The same way you don’t know what “necessary” means.

        • Rusty

          And for your sake, I will now consider his biased opinion disproved ^^

          • Germandude

            Dude, either you fucked up with switching between your numerous accounts, or you have a multiple-personality disorder, discussing with yourself. Anyways, move on.

          • Rusty

            I don’t see the logic in either one of your ridiculous assumptions. So yes, I will just move on.

          • Germandude

            Well, I might be wrong, but on 2 different computers, it showed me that Rusty is replying to Rusty, while now it shows me you replied to Jhen. So I assumed that there was one person posting under 2 different names. Now I think that Disqus simply fucks it up.
            I apologize.

  • El tel

    what a load of bullshit. 1) stop calling us laowai you racist dick 2) your sweeping generalisations are laughable, I have been married to my Chinese wife for 5 years and she is not an easy girl 3) most chinese guys are brought up to be selfish and expect everything to be done for them, which woman wants to marry a snivelling mummies boy?

    • Germandude

      Hold on, what is it now? You wrote: “Also I lost my virginity at 18, not 14. Today I’m 20, and have a Chinese girlfriend.” and then “I have been married to my Chinese wife for 5 years and she is not an easy girl”…
      I assume that both times you were talking about yourself, were you not?

      • mr.wiener

        Maybe it took 3 years before she would sleep with him….definitely not an easy girl……Does she know about his girlfriend?

      • vincent

        There seems to be something wrong with Disqus, the ID’s are all wrong, only if you refresh the page will you see the proper ID of the person you are replying to.

        • Germandude

          Yeah, I just realized the same. Thanks for confirming that the problem is not on my end ;-)

          • vincent

            No problem brother :D

          • Germandude

            “No problem brother” ? So you are our family’s lost child, i c.

          • vincent

            I’ve been meaning to tell you, but I just couldn’t find the right time, oh well the cats out of the bag now haha

          • vincent

            I’ve been meaning to tell you but alas the cat’s out of the bag now haha

          • vincent

            The heck is wrong with disqus, I’ve replied twice to this comment, Yeah I wanted to tell you earlier but I guess the cat’s out of the bag now haha

    • MonkeyMouth

      exactly. these boys just arent used to getting rejected or used to actually working for what they want. just hurling excuses and blaming others

  • Pablo

    Chinese men should not be complaining about their women if they’ve seen what western women sleep with. If they think there are too many non-asians in China they should take a look at the USA, it won’t even be a white country in 50 years and they would be horrified to know that white women open their legs for just about any mandingo. Cultural genocide is what the west is facing, China should stop complaining.

    • BiggJ

      But complaining is what Chinese do best ;)

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        Yes. There’s absolutely none of that going around here.

        It’s all unicorns and affirmations here, yessiree.

    • SuperHappyCow

      What’s funny is that America was never a white country, since they murdered and raped lots of fucking Native Americans to begin with. What’s doubly hilarious is that you’re a clown with a hispanic sounding name spewing propaganda in favor of people who actively try to destroy you.

      Ever thought about committing suicide, Pablo? It’s really not so hard. You should try it some time.

  • BiggJ

    This guy’s just upset at life for fucking him over when it comes to girls…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/silvermondfee Anna Finke

    Being a female laowei I can’t really say anything about the true intentions of foreign men in China (though I seriously doubt it’s as bad, most of my friends are as respectable as can be) but let me tell you this: Once I met a Chinese guy for language exchange and he brought his girlfriend (who was scared of letting him meet me alone). She was cute, tiny and very shy but the only thing he kept telling me (and her) was that she’s a troublemaker, stupid and fat (she wasn’t any of those!). If a man dared to treat me like that I wouldn’t date him, either, Chinese or not. Hope the girl will realize that soon as well.

    • Irvin

      Being a male chinese I can tell you the true intentions of local men in china: to out laid the foreign men! I personally wanted more of a meaningful relationship that revolves around trust and love.

      But my competitive side got the better of me when I see them foreigners fucking women left and right. So I pulled myself down to their levels and “do” as they do.

      One day perhaps I can say “fuck it” to the game and do settle down.

      • Rusty

        You could have chosen to go down to another type of foreigner’s level. You just wanted to get laid, end of story.

        • Irvin

          I agree, I’m a dispicable human being.

      • filabusta

        Excuses, excuses.

        • Irvin

          I beg to differ, I really do want meaningful relationships, honestly!!!

      • xiaohouzi

        Why do Chinese have the need to be so competitive? I know most guys my age have had ten times more girls than i have. So what? Why should someone become a slut? Because others do it? What kind of logic is that?

        • Irvin

          Blame it on my parents, I was raised this way and maybe it’s within my genes. I can’t help myself.

      • djaskd@yahoo.com

        But you have to understand that any relationship cannot just start on its own unless you make an effort. You just met her and you wanna get married . Lame excuse for getting laid.
        Source: lived in Wuhan and Beijing for 6 years and my numbers are pretty high

        • Irvin

          You see, that’s what so marvelous about relationships. You wouldn’t know what the other person is until you have a relationship with them.

          I’ve been with many girls and I didn’t really know them until the part where we break up. It is a combination of beauty and sadness. It’s just…….ART!

          Maybe that is why I walk the path that I walk now, I just love art!

          of course some would claimed that it’s just an excuse. but if I really do just want to get laid I can always go to a prostitude (which I have no problems with).

          • Appalled@everything

            douchiest comment ever

      • Appalled@everything

        Brought yourself down to their levels? yeah right, you just either always wanted to do it, or were jealous at seeing non-Chinese men getting more girls than you. Either way your reaction was infantile.

    • linette lee

      That little chinese girl is very dumb and naive. She should just get and dump that chinese guy right there in front of you.

      Being a Chinese girl I have so many encounters I lost counts. Probably at least 200 incidents or more and I am not even exaggerating the number. The American white/spanish/black guys tell me how terrible their girlfriends or wives are. I am thinking if my man talk about me like that behind my back I will break up with him immediately. This is something all women should know.

      • SuperHappyCow

        Linette, the way you wrote that, it makes it seem like you have had 200+ sexual encounters.

        • Peter Silie

          my first impression was: 200 dates, does not necessarily mean: sex

      • Rusty

        You had sex with over 200 guys? I remember this episode of The Big Bang Theory where Sheldon calculates Penny’s partners’ number to be around 32 if I remember well, and qualifying her a slut for that. 200 guys, even for an american open-minded girl, is a big, big number…

        • SuperHappyCow

          Doesn’t make a girl a slut, however.

          • rusty

            Well as long as her future husband is cool with it.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Why should it have anything to do with whether or not her husband is cool with it? Fuck him.

          • Probotector

            Is that what you say to all women? Ah I couldn’t resist it sorry!

          • SuperHappyCow

            No. Have you stopped beating your wife?

          • Probotector

            Ok, you just save that for the ones you “aggressively slept with” then?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Think you got that quote entirely backwards, sonny, as usual. Nevertheless, behold, The D.EN.N.I.S. System.

          • bert

            That’s exactly the way modern wymin think.

          • xiaohouzi

            What makes a girl a slut?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Ask your mother.

            Actually, I’m not sure at all. Brb, party time.

          • xiaohouzi

            That was very cold. If my mother was still here, she would knock the teeth out of your mouth. I would never say such a thing about your mother.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            It’s a popular joke that no one actually takes seriously.

            Like your mom.

          • SuperHappyCow

            BA-BA-BOOM.

          • mr.wiener

            No the correct reply to SHC is: “But I already asked your mother but all she said was “Worge, bwu uhhh” as her mouth was full at the time”.

          • Probotector

            Yeah but he’s a fuckin’ badass playa. Nobody fucks with this douche bag!

          • SuperHappyCow

            Why would you call me a douche bag? Also,

            Have you stopped beating your wife?

          • Probotector

            Why would you make sick jokes about calling someone’s mother a slut? Yeah, good one. Is it because he disagreed with you? Was he racist as well?

          • xiaohouzi

            Who would want to?

          • Hongwu

            when someone is not properly observing the rites, obeying the traditions and behaving like the ancestors would feel proud of, that’s when someone starts being a slut you know?

            the lack of dignity,honor,decency,morality and respect to the rites.

          • xiaohouzi

            Fair enough. I guess i’ve met many on both sides but i’m guessing the ancestors wouldn’t be proud if a Chinese girl was with a foreigner. That would, on traditional terms, make her a slut. I guess i really do tend to go for “slutty” type of Chinese girl after all. A “good” Chinese girl wouldn’t have me.

          • lao tzu

            Yeah right, you infected cυnt.

        • Germandude

          I guess for her it’s “a calm monday morning”.

          • SuperHappyCow

            For me, it was Tuesday.

        • xiaohouzi

          Agreed. If a girl has had so many “encounters” that she can’t quite remember their names, that would qualify her as a slut. So what? She may be fun for a while but probably too dangerous to be ones girlfriend or wife :(

          • SuperHappyCow

            I think if a girl has lots of unprotected sex with many partners that would make her a “slut,” but since a word of the same meaning doesn’t really exist for men I don’t think it’s really that useful to ascribe it only to women who make poor choices. It’s a ridiculous word.

          • Probotector

            I thought it was your mother’s name.

          • bert

            No. Men are still expected to be the physical protectors of society but women gave up their expected position of protecting the moral fabric of society. Like it or not they have become sluts. Go and have a slut parade, but it is a fact whether you like it or not or didn’t want to be born female or not. Doesn’t matter. Society’s moral make up went down the toilet when women embraced their freedom to be sluts. You won’t agree with me, that’s fine and expected but it is truth.Men still work in dangerous professions and most soldiers are still men all for the protection of the society and family. Women today don’t give a shit. They just want. I am not a bitter guy. It is what it is. You can kill an unborn child and say it is your right but it is what it is, killing a human. Stop with your, “oh that word is ridiculous.” and “Poor choice” nonsense. You aren’t as intellectual as you think u are. Condom or not makes no emotional difference.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Really, the idea of a woman being a slut has to do with men being insecure about the sizes of their dicks. Moral fabric, my ass.

            I’ll kill your unborn children if you don’t stop replying to me.

          • lao tzu

            The idea of you being a slut has to do with your being a filthy soulless whοre.

          • xiaohouzi

            I didn’t create the word and i’m not ascribing it to only women. But why would unprotected sex make her a slut and not protected sex? Is a condom so significant?

          • SuperHappyCow

            I’m not saying it does, I’m just saying I personally find people in general, who have unprotected sex with multiple partners, reprehensible.

          • darkeegan

            Condoms are extremely important. If someone is willing to have unprotected sex with strangers, They are saying that they are unable to rationally think through what they are doing. Being safe while enjoying human sexuality is not bad at all. Being accommodating and gullible because you think it will make someone love you is ridiculous.

          • Hongwu Emperor

            Its seems like an simple object [condom] has become more important than moral fiber and self-restraint…
            Abstinence will soon be an extint word btw.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Its about providing a breeding ground for diseases and spreading them to people with disregard.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LCT2XI4IW5HG3XLKC27GXSBTE Ted Wilson

        200? Is there any tread left on the tires? Would I need to strap a board to my ass to keep from falling in?

      • bert

        These women are hilarious! Be liberated to eating all the sperm they can handle. Praise themselves for it and don’t even think it affects their future. Good luck with a happy future!

        Marrying a past slut will put you into the marriage with a current slut.

        This is something all men should know.

        Of course most men here will be afraid to call a spade a spade.

    • Warren Lauzon

      I have seen similar comments by Chinese males, in person and online – and I think that has a lot more to do with it than what the author put forth. Another point not mentioned in the article is that a lot of the girls in Asia (not just China) want to marry a foreigner not because they are foreign, but for a chance to get out of a society/country where they are marrying a family, not the guy. That is especially common in Korea.

    • aom18

      I can’t say the laowai are generally kind to Chinese girls either.. my friend even has a blog on that topic: creepywhiteguys.tumblr.com

      Clearly laowai have a long ways to go as well, focusing your ire on Chinese guys is racist and misguided at best when shitty misogynistic behavior is pretty common to all cultures

      • Justin

        Funny blog. I wish there were more entries on it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/downtownandrew Andrew Jacobs

        Theres only 2 stories there.

      • piratebill

        my experience here in shanghai clearly shows most everyone posting here is making stuff up to make a point and is really not interested in improving themselves at all. guys are guys and girls are girls in every country. some will always be easy, thank god for easy women!
        and FYI, there are (few) chinese players in the US. care to ask why???

      • Hansaram

        To be honest, white guys who thought Asian women like white men just because he is white are consider creepy by Asian women. I know this because my sisters are constantly approach by those creepy white guys and they often complain it to me. They told me that white guys who assume Asian girls will automatically like a man just because he’s white is the dumbest delusional man. Only a small number/minority of Asian women prefer white men. Many ignorant people here have been misinform.

        My sisters and the blog is certainly not the only one. I’ve heard complain from other Asian women too. Read this blog below. White men have the biggest shock in their life just because a Korean women said she’s not into white men. White men who assume and generalize Asian girl like white men are creepy and ignorant from Asian women point of view and unfortunately, from the comments in China Smack, many people here are full of ignorant white men.

        http://somekoreanchick.xanga.com/665117840/why-i-will-never-date-a-white-guy-asian-girlwhite-guy-not-for-me/

        • HaakonKL

          These people actually exist? I thought they were just an urban myths.

    • piratebill

      i really must say the article was written by a guy with priorities of himself only. if he RESPECTED women he might have much more sucess.

    • Chang Liu

      Right because misogyny and do domestic violence doesn’t happen in the West… Riiiiiight.

  • The Enlightened One

    The real reason why a lot of Chinese men can’t get girls like foreigners is because many of them are insanely insecure. On top of this, many if not all of the rich men in China quite obviously cheat on their wives which is part of their insecurity.

    Grow some balls, don’t be a douche (well you can kinda be a douche) and you will get girls. It is that simple!

  • A Lu

    According to this guy’s article I’m neither laowai nor chinese, so what the hell am I?!?

  • Charles

    This guy makes a few good points – but one of his main points is way off.

    Foreign men in China do not look for women to share the financial burden with them. It may be the case that western men find the money grubbing, sexy but brainless whores that are to be found everywhere less attractive. but that is not the same thing. Why would you want a sex doll for a wife when you could have an attractive intelligent human being?

    I know lots of guys who have married Chinese women and none of them married for money.

    Actually, this guy really just sees Chinese woman as whores whose sexuality can only serve to provide them with an income. Wendi Deng is OK because although she gives her body to a foreigner… she gets money for it… what kind of thing is this? Rubbish!

  • James

    fucking retarded racist bullshit this article is.

  • bprichard

    This is hilarious. I love it when Chinese men complain about foreign men “stealing their women”. How many foreign men do they really think are in China? I think the official number from the government is somewhere around 300k on work visas. So let’s throw in another 100,000 who have snuck in on business visas or the like. Of course not all those are men. This is a rounding error compared to the number of people in China.

    Pretty sure foreign men aren’t your problem, fellas.

    • Jack

      yeah, but they’re a minority who are easy to pick out

      • bprichard

        Pretty much. Anything is better than taking a good hard look in the mirror and figuring out why women don’t like you as an individual, I guess.

  • Alex

    “hey don’t care about a girl’s appearance, nor do they care about empty things like educational level or birthplace, only caring about her practicality, that she can make money, raise children, do housework. So many laowai like girls who look strong and thick, because they can work hard and endure hardship”

    who wants a skinny sponger? Independent/ambitious is attractive anywhere in the world

    • radbab

      haha! This observation is a true gem. But aren’t small hands practical too, at least when it comes to cleaning? He’s really onto something here….maybe that’s why the foreigners try to get Chinese girlfriends?!?! lol

  • Alex

    “They usually will take a girl to upscale restaurants, or if not at least a Starbucks.” haha starbucks

  • Bugs Bunny

    i am glad i met a man i like and he likes me too,i had many chances to get married,but those reasons i did not were too funny…men with smelly mouth out,men dress ugy and poor out,men miser out…

    maybe i am just easy to get bored…

    • Germandude

      Hello Super Bunny/eattot/Bugs Bunny. I assume you are very rich?

      • Bugs Bunny

        no
        i am just what i am.
        you do not need to be rich to get married…
        i treat people the same way they treat me…

  • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

    “I FIND ALOT OF TRUTH IN WHAT YOU WRITE BUT I AM AMERICAN AND MY GIRLFRIEND IS CHINESE, HERE ABOUT 6 YEARS SOMETIMES COMMUNICATIONS ARE DIFFICULT I LOVE HER MORE THAN I HAVE EVER LOVED ANY OTHER WOMAN, I TREAT HER WITH RESPECT AND LOVE AND EVEN WASH THE DISHES AT NIGHT, RECENCTLY BOUGHT A BUSINESS AND EVEN PUT IN HER NAME ALONE AND I PUT ALMOST MY LAST DIME INTO IT,THATS MY IDE OF THE STORY, YOU WRITE ABOUT THE POOR CHINESE, HOW ABOUT THE ME WITH MY FEELINGS ALWAYS BEING HURT AND IT SEEMS LIKE SHE DOES NOT CARE TO MUCH, SEXUALLY I AWAYS PRIDED MYSELF IN PLEASING THE WOMAN, HERE MOST OF THE TIME I LEAVE THE BEDROOM NOT EVEN FEELING LIKE A MAN, SHE TOLD ME IN THE BEGINNING SHE COULD NOT GET WET BECAUSE SHE HAS NEVER HAD SEX IN 6 YEARS SINCE SHE GOT HERE, ONLY TO FIND OUT SHE FINLALLY TOLD ME SHE HAD SEX WITH AN AMERICAN WHO SHE SAW 2 TIMES ONE YEAR AND TWO TIMES THE FOLLOWING YEAR, I KNOW SHE LOVES ME BUT I THINK HIS GHOST COMES BETWEEN US AND SEX USUALLY TURNS INTO AN ARGUEMENT, I AM AT A POINT WHERE I JUST WANT TO END MY LIFE JUST SO SHE CAN FEEL THE HURT SHE INFLICTS ON ME, I DO EVERYTHING FOR HER BUT I JUST DO NOT MAKE HER HAPPY ESPECIALLY IN BED.”

    - ANTHONY QUAGLIOZZI

    • Germandude

      Dude, why the SHOUTING?

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        It was written that way. I dunno, maybe the waving of hands can’t be properly conveyed without the use of caps lock.

        • MonkeyMouth

          best joke so far. terroir, you are a clever man indeed

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        It was written that way.

        • Germandude

          I know. You got a mail sir.

    • wayno

      Anthony, we have all been deeply hurt by people we love too deeply. Sometimes it pays to hang in there, and it sorts itself out, but other times you just have to cut the ties and move on. I have had this advice before, but it has never helped ease the pain. Never been believable, but don’t go damaging yourself to inflict pain on her, perhaps the greatest pain for her would be if you left her, when she has time to reflect at what she has lost. There are plenty of fish, and some of them are worth trying to find. So don’t spend a life of misery, when happiness could be around the corner.

  • Bugs Bunny

    i do not have anything bad to say about our chinese boys…

    but just unluckily those i dated have smelly bad mouth…

    i wanna be with my soulmate boy,but we do not love each other…

    • don mario

      if you dont want a smelly mouth boy then maybe you shouldnt have a smelly ass?

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