Dual-Track Pension System: Civil Servants 6000, Farmers 55 RMB

An elderly Chinese farmer holding up a sample of his dead crop.

The following is currently the article on Chinese web portal Sina with the most participants, over 172k, more than twice as much as the second place article…

From Sina:

Dual-Track Pension System Accused of Being Most Unfair: Civil Servants 6000, Rural Peasants 55 Yuan

The double-track pension system is a topic that has received considerable attention over the past few years with many, including some experts, believing that the state treasury fully providing for the retirement pay of government agencies and enterprises while implementing a “pay-in/contribution” system for workers of private companies is the biggest inequality in today’s society.

At this year’s Two Meetings, several CPPCC and NPC representatives successively submitted proposals calling for to abolish the dual-track pension system as soon as possible. With regards to Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security Vice Minister Wang Xiaochu statements during the Two Meetings that the retirement age will be increased, the response of a majority of representatives was that the country should first solve the dual-track retirement pay system problem before progressively implementing a policy for pushing back the retirement age.

12th National People's Congress in Beijing.

Many experts and Two Meetings representatives who detest the dual-track pension system are thinking of private company workers as the victims, but have overlooked the fact that there are already over 110 million rural peasants over the age of 60 in China today. Starting from 2009, the country launched a new rural social security insurance pilot scheme, where the fixed retirement pay standard given to rural peasants over the age of 60 is 55 yuan per person per month, and moving forward, the central government treasury’s contribution to the rural peasant pension is zero.

With the implementation of the dual-track pension system, despite the country having already adjusted the retirement benefits for private companies up continuously over the past 9 years, with the retirement benefit increasing up to 1893 yuan for private company workers, the repeatedly increased retirement benefits for current private company workers is still only 1/3 that of retirement benefits for civil servants of the same level. No wonder many retired workers from private companies react to the increases in their retirement benefits by saying “don’t feel a thing [not much difference]“, and aim their dissatisfied criticisms at the dual-track pension system.

Private company workers are severely unhappy with the dual-track pension system, with some experts and Two Meetings representatives also calling for the disposal of the dual-track pension system, without considering the 60-years-old and above rural elderly who face the problem of gradually losing their ability to work. Relying on a 55 yuan per person per month basic retirement pay standard, how can elderly peasants live comparably to the retired workers of urban private companies and government agencies and enterprises?

Some people who live and work in the cities will believe peasants own land, but land does not produce anything by itself, and under existing land, household register, as well as food safety systems, the land that peasants own is “collectively-owned land” that cannot freely be transferred. With government subsidies given to peasants for using their land not being much, peasant farming basically unable to make money, and them working in cities being unable to enjoy the welfare benefits of urban residents, over time, it is the peasantry that our country’s social security system and pension system is actually most deficient to.

An elderly Chinese migrant worker carrying a bag on his back and shoulders.

Peiking University Law School Vice-President Wang Xixin has been following the pension system problem, and has previously expressed, “The current pension system is mainly used for urban residents, while there exists a huge inequality for rural peasants due to the traditional persistent segregation of city and countryside in the allocation of public resources”, “less than 1% of the central treasury’s revenue could build a rural peasant pension system”.

Like Wang Xixin, China National Committee on Aging Deputy Director Yan Qingchun and other experts are also focused on pension system inequality and the problem of rural pensions. at a charity forum at the end of 2012, Yan Qingchun expressed not without worries that there are currently 250 million working age migrant workers in the cities working, with 45% of households in the countryside now being “empty nests” [where the children have grown up and moved out, usually to find work elsewhere], so many rural elderly who remain behind and leading the children who remain behind in farming. This kind of situation has caused our country’s rural retirement situation to be even worse than what it was during the past planned economy era.

In fact, the number of migrant workers currently participating in the basic social security system is less than 1/6th of the total migrant worker population, so there is a low participation rate, low contribution level, high retirement rate, and similar problems. So after these migrant workers who have entered the cities to work become old, where is the money for their retirement supposed to come from?

Comments on Sina:

猪肉僧[北京海淀]

Everyone clearly knows it is unfair yet it has been implemented for this many years now, and what more, there is not a single person in the government expressing any intention to do something about it, so where is the hope?

philis4[澳大利亚昆士兰]

Resolutely and unconditionally prohibit the dual-track pension system!!! Stop nakedly plundering the ordinary common people!!!

7轻尘5[北京海淀]

Workers and peasants not only have the power to work hard to create even more material benefit for other people, they also have the duty to pay to be made fools of!

手机用户[西藏拉萨]

Why are the rural residents in Japan better off than those in the cities, while in China it is the exactly the opposite?

手机用户[上海]

Why not just exchange the land for social security? If social security is so great, why do the peasants refuse to exchange? Land is the true guarantee/security. Aren’t they now saying when pensions become inadequate, they’re going to extend the retirement age? This alone amply shows that social security is not actually reliable, and land is still better.

少玄1230[北京海淀]

To put it nicely, it’s the Chinese Dream, but when [the government] doesn’t even dare eliminating something as small as the unfair and unequal benefits of a dual-track [pension] system, how are we to dream without that dream becoming just an illusion?

fnfn2010[吉林延边]

The dual-track system is the worst, the most unpopular, an bad system that interest groups set for themselves, for their own benefit, for their own enjoyment. The ordinary common people are all criticizing it but they’re shamelessly refusing to change it.

一心一意1212[江苏南京]

The dual-track pension system is publicly-known corruption.

大头真的来了[北京海淀]

First request the government to eliminate the dual-track system, then consider the vast peasant population, one step at a time, without diverting attention.

饭小鹏鹏[北京海淀]

The laws have always served the ruling classes, but there are still shameless people calling themselves public servants!

A group of old Chinese grannies.

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  • Ruaraidh

    All those buildings that collapse because of cost cutting and corruption, why can’t it ever be one in which the Communist Party leadership are having a meeting.

    • The Enlightened One

      Because the buildings are being held up by their enormous….

      EGOS!

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      While buildings collapse in Bangladesh for the benefit and profit of western folk.

      • Ruaraidh

        Owned by a Bangladeshi, built by a Bangladeshi, run by a Bangladeshi.

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          yea exactly!
          Who voted their government in?
          Wasn’t me!

  • Ami

    Been thinking about this: Why are 80% of China Smack’s stories so depressing ( in comparison to its sister sites)?
    Korea Bang probably has a good mixture of negative and positive and Japan Crush is almost always lighthearted (cept for the things about sexual harrassment)

    Does life copy online discussions?

    • Ami

      I would write something about the Russia and Indonesian sites but unfortunately few read them? I don’t remember there onomatopoeic sounds either.

    • vincent

      I guess China is more depressing to be in than Korea or Japan?

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        Nah, it’s because it’s way more fun to complain than to humble-brag, which gets old fast and then becomes a source of complaining.

    • Chinese

      Because China is still a developing country, while Japan and Korea are developed?

      • Chinese

        In general, you would see more sh!t in developing countries than in developed countries.

        • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

          In developed countries, the shit is hidden more likely. Either way, the ignorance of people are masked in ratio to development.

      • slob

        Because people have a crush on Japan, want to bang Koreans, and enjoy Smacking China.

    • AMI

      another Ami… i read this site daily as of quite recently and have not seen you post before. i decided after seeing your post that I must join in case any of my customers see your posts and as often happens here, make their own meanings out of them and suddenly say I am a China Hater. i shared some pics last week of the movie poster lookalikes on a qq group without a comment and suddenly was attacked by blind nationalist imbeciles despite this originating from weibo not myself and not even a foreigner either. lucky that group was not my customers but i’m joining as an insurance plan incase anyone ever sees anything here and thinks it was me i can respond and say you just appear to be me – or is it the other way around? anyhow. beautiful name man!!!

      • AMI

        yes… down vote me for not wanting to have clients mistake other’s comments for my own. forgive me for wanting to protectmy business and young family. for anyone that knows me this is Ami from Superstar Nanjing. you won’t find any bad comments from me here

        • Atlas

          If your clients do mistake your online name for someone else’s because you share the same very common handle, then they are pretty stupid to begin with.

          • AMI

            i never said they were bright but they are customers none the less and as you are probably aware that people in the middle kingdom tend to take offence when no offence was intended. ie: even when praising australia with no reference to china at all, they often take that to mean you are somehow denigrating their great land. check, just look at all the translated comments here on this site for evidence of this insecurity. Secondly, Ami is not my handle, it is my name and in my case, in Nanjing, it is almost my brand – I have built my reputation here up over the past 11yrs and customers don’t even know my surname… i am just Ami. as mentioned, i just recently was attacked by a group of … for simply posting some pics of copied movie posters from this site. stupid or not, i would hate for any comments made by someone with my name to come back to bite me and for the other Ami here, i’m not saying you have ever written any derogatory comments but that is the exact issue here, the way folks here have a tendency to turn things around and also form large groups when it comes to complaining.

          • Atlas

            Look baby, I’ll be honest. You sound like your business is prostitution.

            I suggest you use a different name than your brand when you post on Chinasmack in the future and avoid stealing material from Chinasmack too.

            By the way, the reason I’m not using my real name here is, as you said, that while most people here are quite frankly not threatening, there is always an idiot around the corner.

            Lastly, no one really cares what happens to you here. I mean, nobody wishes you harm, but I’m pretty sure not a single person here deeply cares about Ami (you) and that not a single fuck is given.

            Ami should keep her name and you should stop telling people what they can or cannot call themselves.

          • AMI

            stealing from chinasmack? those pictures were not chonasmacksto bbegin with. you suggest not using my real name on chinasmack ? that’s my whole point of joining disqus is because someone did just that – i am not telling people they can not use my name as you so rudely put it but rather as my name is quite unique and my customers each have respective qq groups through my service staff, word travels quickly and i would hate for them to blame me for something that other people said just because they share the same name because, as mentioned just a week ago, i was attacked by a group of 50 ina qq ggroupffor sharing those posters. the way you are changing the meaning of my words tells me that this practice is not unique to china and reminds me that there are some really unfriendly assholes out there. i may not wish to offend chinese. but sucked if i let assholes talk to me like shit. come on pussy. come and meet me and i will take you back to school. my number is one59five1938389 mad i will happily give you my address so we can fight face to face rather than hide behind our computers

          • Atlas

            Ahaha baby you so craycray.

            Chinese people on the internet are so funny. I’m sorry I insulted your clients btw, because you’re obviously the slow one here – not them.

            Btw, “your business” is in Nanhu Donglu, Nanjing. Right?

          • AMI

            keep insulting people. make you feel better about myself. i do have a branch off nanjing donglu, yes but i am never there. i’m never far away – around the corner on yun jin lu. welcome to come and insult me to my face.

          • Atlas

            What face? You have no face.

            :)

      • Ami

        Well I’ve never seen any other Ami’s around here either! I usually comment on other people’s comments than make my own and I usually arrive unfashionably late to conversations.

        Now, LET IT BE KNOWN: I am Ami and this guy or gal is AMI from Superstar Nanjing! (…I need me a title like that)

    • Rick in China

      The other sites are more daughter/granddaughter sites than sister sites – and since ChinaSmack is based in China, it’s apropos that as it ages, the stories become much more depressing…afterall, it may be subject to only 55 rmb/month retirement pension soon enough!

    • lin

      There are good and bad stories in every country, I think the type of stories you see is the outlook people have. The depressing stories I think is a good thing because it brings to light things that people want to change and reflect on. Chinasmack isn’t all that depressing, there are posts about people doing good things, posts about jokes, posts about shitty music, and a few others. Japan Crush is just lighthearted because people who go there tend to be weeaboos (and I don’t mean that in a negative way) and don’t like to post the really negative/interesting stuff, I know ’cause I’ve submitted a few that were hot topics at the time.

      • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

        There’s a non-negative form of “weeaboo”? How can there be anything positive about weeaboos?

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      Did you expect Chinasmack to make you do the happy dance?

  • vincent

    Heartless cretins, 55 yuan a month is ludicrous.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harold-Janson/100000792053950 Harold Janson

      And what exactly is their pension based on? Where is the funding coming from? Public sector generally pays crap, with a small handful of years where there is some grey-income possible. A decent pension is the reward. Private sector should be expected to maximize their own income and plan for their own retirement. Farmers don’t even pay into the system

      • vincent

        Human civilization has reached this point due to fact that we learnt how to farm. All the food on your plate has to come from somewhere right? Just because they don’t pay into the system doesn’t mean they shouldn’t benefit.
        What about all those in the UK that misuse or think they are entitled to benefits, all paid for by other hardworking taxpayers, these people live hard lives and are largely neglected anyway.
        The funding for the welfare system in the UK or US comes from taxpayers right? There are taxes in China as well, except that those in power do what they want with it, that is until they get caught.

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          how about all those pensions in the UK and US stolen by the banks and fuck has been done about it.

          • vincent

            From the little I know about the banking and investment sector in the UK and US all I have to say is that it’s very convoluted so it comes as no surprise.
            Unfortunately we live in a time where it seems that the common man gets screwed in every orifice by the powers that be, that documentary ‘Inside Job’ by Matt Damon was an interesting watch.

        • Ryo

          The learn how to farm to make money. And it is the only thing they know how to do, from being passed (forced) down on them from the last generation. It is certainly not because they care about putting food on your table.

          • vincent

            Sigh…I was alluding to the fact that they are a very important part of the economy, and that they should be treated as such, whether that is the only thing they know to do or were forced to do is beside the point.
            Their work is has a certain measure of luck involved as well, such as dependence on good weather and such, just knowing how to farm doesn’t equate to being able to make money.

      • http://twitter.com/khawachen Karze

        Why steal the farmer land in first place. How did Wen Jiabo get 2.8 billion US$ in his 10 year as premier.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harold-Janson/100000792053950 Harold Janson

          He didn’t.

      • maja

        …then let’s say a 60 years old person saved 10k yuan through the 80′s and the 90′s, what should this person do with that money now? live a couple years and then…?

      • Dr Sun

        your kidding right ????

  • Sean Cauffiel

    Psh, whats the problem? All farmers do is HELP KEEP PEOPLE ALIVE.

    • hang

      Thats what they earn for being glorified serfs to the state.

  • Bugs Bunny

    sad!
    all the time china put farmers at the lowest place…and our farmers,as long as they have some rice to eat they do not know why they work like a donkey in fields all their lives still die like a beggar.
    so sad! every time my mom shouts for a new trip,new clothes,shoes…i tell her shut up and take a look around.once she has some money in pocket always snacks or something useless from street,and there are quite some people have mental problems in villages,sigh!
    so sad!

    • fsck

      No, Mao held Peasants as the highest pinnacle for all people to strive to, uneducated and illiterate people where the top of the food chain (has much changed?).

      Tell your mum,she should reject her money and education in favour of Maos ideals. She should be proud of living in shit, not striving to rise from it, she should know her place. The same as these peasants, obviously the never owned (I wont say read, because Mao didnt like people to be able to read) Maos little red book.

      When they get out of hand just tie it to a sledge hammer and hit them in the face with it, better than reading it IMO.

      • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

        Mao was a twisted shithead that did some things right but still play the people of their ignorance. Like my mother who gleams at the little red book childhood and kept dozen trinkets of Mao’s face.

  • Dan

    Story write about the protests in kunming against a new petrochina plant.

  • the ace of books

    Oh come on. What the hell good is 55 kuai going to do anyone? This is not even pretending to care, or maybe it’s the worse pretense of pretense I’ve ever seen.

    55 kuai is 55 bottles of water.
    55 kuai is 18 bottles of juice.
    55 kuai is 88 baozi.
    55 kuai is three bags of flour.
    55 kuai is 36-55 eggs.
    55 kuai is a train ticket to the next town.
    55 kuai is three shirts at the bargain bin.
    55 kuai is two pairs of ass-cheap shoes.
    55 kuai is half a fill-up on gas.
    55 kuai is one night in a cheap hotel.
    55 kuai is (almost) two months of my internet.
    55 kuai is a reasonable dinner for two, or a really-well-priced one for four.
    55 kuai is 60 rolls of toilet paper.

    55 kuai is an hour’s tutoring.
    55 kuai is an hour’s drive in Beijing.
    55 kuai is 11 meals.

    You can’t live on 55 kuai a month.

    • donscarletti

      This irks me, the largest denomination of RMB is called “Yuan”, not “kuai”.

      You can say 55 Yuan, RMB55.00 or ¥55 in English. You cannot use the Hanyu Pinyin word for “lump” in English, even though a lump of money in Chinese is synonymous with one yuan.

      If you don’t believe me, pick up a 1 “kuai” coin, or a 1-100 “kuai” note and see what they call themselves.

      Now I think about it, you can’t simply write 块 in a Chinese sentance to mean money either. 一块 means “together” and X块 generally means “in X parts”. You can drop the 钱 in 55块钱 in the same circumstances as you can drop other nouns, if and only if the noun is already implied by the context like in 多少钱? 55块.

      • the ace of books

        I’m glad I have you around to explain why the things I hear people say everyday are wrong.

        • donscarletti

          Who are you hearing that uses the term “kuai” in English every day exactly?

      • Dax

        You are familiar with the concept of slang, right? Do you go around complaining that people call US dollars “bucks?”

        “You can’t just use the english word that means male deer to refer to a US dollar! Find on a dollar bill where it says ‘buck!’”

        It’s ridiculous. People call a yuan a “kuai” because thats what EVERYBODY in China calls it.

        • donscarletti

          “Buck” is a noun, “dollar” is a noun, gramatically they can be used interchangably. The same goes for “quid” / pound, “bob” / tenpence in British English.

          “Yuan” is a noun, “Kuai” is a “measure word”, “counter” or 量词, a concept that somewhat maps into units that can be used with English collective nouns, of which money is (after all one could say “a pile of money”, “a fistful of money” but not “a money, two moneys”).

          Chinese never call 1 yuan a “kuai”, not in formal contexts, not in slang, not at all. They call it a “kuai”/lump of money. The noun may be implicit in some context, but it’s there. If you want to follow the pattern in English, you can say “a kuai of money” if you really want to.

          I think you could make the argument that slang is not transferrable between languages in the same way as official terms can be. If “Kuai” was simply Chinese slang for “yuan” it would make about as much sense using it in an English sentance as using the terms “buck” or “quid” in Chinese. It’s just not a particularly good way to communicate.

          • Atlas

            “Chinese never call 1 yuan a “kuai” ”

            I don’t know if you’re someone who studied Chinese at home and never came over here, a troll or someone with Asperger Syndrome, but disregarding this, I’ve heard the good old “yi-kuai” at least a thousand million times from native Chinese speakers here.

            Also, the fact that native speakers of English are using kuai as a noun in English to refer to Chinese money would be, in itself, a non-issue. English is not centrally controlled, unlike Chinese or French, and English grammar is so powerful exactly because new words can be used and have more than one grammatical function if required.

            Matter of fact: Native speakers of English have heard native speakers so many times using kuai to refer to money and probably also use the term when using Chinese so a certain level of cross-linguistic mishmash is to be expected.

            Long story short: Native English speakers freely use kuai as a slang for Chinese money when they speak in English, thus rendering its use correct in English.

          • donscarletti

            I like your reasoning. A few expats in China use the word, so it “render[s] its use correct in English”. By that logic, my primary school English teacher really wasted a lot of time, given that since we were all native speakers, everything my class said was grammatically correct in the first place. I’m pretty sure it counts for spelling too. May I ask if you are an English teacher? I find myself often laughing bitter tears about who I find professing to that vocation and the contempt in which they treat the language and their work.

            You also seem to have missed my point about the difference between counters and nouns and of implied subjects, but I’m sure you learn the intricacies of Chinese grammar by only dating masseuses from the finest and most refined mountain villages of Gansu and Guizhou, so you’ll pick it up soon.

          • slob

            I’ve heard “Yi kuai qian” nearly every day that I’ve been here for the last 9 years.
            Whether it’s gramatically correct or not, it is used all the time and with this being the internet, I’m sure you can understand that grammar holds no value here especially when everyone who read the original comment understood the meaning clearly.

          • donscarletti

            Exactly, “Yi kuai qian” 一块钱, number 一 + counter 块 + noun 钱. A perfectly constructed Chinese sentence that translates to “one Yuan”.

          • Atlas

            @donscarletti:disqus : Yes, I hold a 4 years English teaching Degree, a valid teaching certification and I’m working on a Master’s on applied linguistics.

          • Klove

            I was under the impression a Bachelor of arts degree in English was three years, at least in the UK?!

            Now then a valid teaching certification, not so sure you need that in China, that rogue island beginning with T and ending with N maybe, but I knew a drug addled ex army tank mechanic who always got jobs around the 10,000 rmb mark, and had no degree even. No, no, the best oral english teachers are the ones with different experiences and can impart anecdotes and humour via their own experiences and make the little horrors happy. The little horrors quite like me, which is half the struggle, but then I just show Mr Bean. Still I prefer life in the PRC to the Peoples Republic of Wigan, I won’t work in a warehouse not for cameron or anyone!! End of story , body!

          • Atlas

            Maybe I’m not from the UK?

          • Klove

            Maybe, schmaybe, but I hold UK standards in education in high regard, and I’m not even a full brit. Guess again body!

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            You’ve seriously never heard any Chinese say “yi kuai”? What part of China were you in, if at all?

          • donscarletti

            Sigh. As I believe I have already explained it’s not that Chinese don’t say 一块 when giving a price, it’s that 块 in this context is a “counter” that can refer to a grouping of almost any noun.

            If the context is money, it means one Yuan RMB.

            If the context is KFC, it means “one piece of Chicken”

            If the context is people it means “all together”.

            If the context is ice it means one ice cube.

            And so on and so forth.

            This is a cute little linguistic thing that works in East Asian languages because of collective nouns and units. However the word “kuai” itself has nothing to do with money. Its not a homonym that means both “lump” and “yuan”, it’s the same meanings in both contexts, a tangible and whole piece of either money or something else.

            The use of the term by certain expats simply shows that they have heard the phrase and misunderstood the meaning behind the words within it. I think the pattern is embarrassing and I really, really hope that as more westerners actually learn what 块 actually means, they’ll stop using it as if it was a type of money.

            Postscript:
            Besides hearing Chinese say 一块, I’ve also frequently heard Chinese say things like: “最近比较困,没心情去干,估计明天只要上班打酱油” but if you walk up to your average English speaker and say that, they’re going to scratch their head and ask them to repeat it in English.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Fascinating. Yes, I know the meaning of kuai already. The point I was making, however, is that I have still heard them say “yi kuai” (or whatever denomination) when asked about a price. They shortened it, I am sure, because we already knew the topic was “price”. I don’t know if Ace of Books knew this or not, but I don’t think any of us, including you, had a hard time understanding that he was talking about money or prices, so relax.

            Don’t let this kind of thing bother you so much. It’ll put you in danger of looking like someone who will write long lectures that scold people over word usage in a foreign language, when they were perfectly understood before. Don’t be a Grammar Chengguan.

          • donscarletti

            My objection is not with its usage in Chinese, merely its translation into English. I will not elaborate any more on the semantics here if you already understand them. Though if you permit me, I will attempt to explain why I am so annoyed by it.

            I just feel that the expat community in China is really squandering the prestige it once had. If you want to speak in Chinese, then that’s cool, engage people, speak to their soul, show them the adaptability of the western mind and spirit. If you just want to speak English, then that’s cool too, make them come to you on your terms, make sure your voice comes across clear and coherent while others struggle to communicate, be proud and uncompromising. But this psudo-Chinese stuff thrown into English to sound local achieves neither result. A Chinese person hearing this sort of speech knows one wants to speak Chinese but can’t, putting oneself in a pretty low, shameful position.

          • TheNotebook

            I think the expat community in China is maybe squanderig the prestige for other reasons.

            Seriously, check your posts because i think this last one is even worst than the KUAI one.

            So for you, people who try to speak chinese but maybe cant pronounce correctly is squandering ” the prestige” .

            Good one

          • Rick in China

            Dude, seems you have a SERIOUSLY fucked up grudge against a particular word.

            Who gives a fuck about someone saying “1 kuai”, it’s used all the time in China, right or wrong, and is no worse than someone in Chinese saying “那个就是 10 bucks”… I really don’t get why you care so much about the usage of the word kuai, to the point you’ll argue relentlessly about it’s grammatical misuse and the contempt for those who say it. Seriously…..f’d up.

          • Probotector

            I understand your argument, and your knowledge of the language and the etymology is beyond question.

            Nevertheless, you say you are irritated if a foreigner speaks “this psudo (sic)-Chinese stuff thrown into English to sound local”. However, in your next post you used the word ‘ergo’:

            “多少钱? 三块, 三 = 3 ergo 块 = Yuan”.

            Can we surmise that in you use this pseudo-Latin stuff thrown into English to sound sanctimonious?

          • maja

            he was using the latin word in a proper way, so no you can’t. as far as saying “kuai” as a noun goes, I agree with him, only the foreigners talking amongst themselves use it and it’s not such a big deal to learn the word “yuan”.

            if anyone wants to go creative with chinese there’s more interesting stuff do be done. and he’s right in saying it sounds bad, almost as funny as “你OK吗?”, which at least implies the speaker undestands he’s using a funny slang, and what’s more in a grammatcally correct way.

          • Probotector

            I agree with him as well. My point is, why does anyone need to throw Latin into their English vocabulary? Couldn’t he have just said ‘therefore’?

        • mr.wiener

          Two deer are walking out of a gay night club and one says to the other “I can’t believe we just blew twenty bucks in there.”

          • Klove

            Hahaha, love it!!! I liked that scene in croc dundee 3 and his mate debating to go into the gay bar (that they don’t know is a gay bar!) and his mate says, they are all cowboys just like us, they will be alright eh? 1 minute later creeping out with their back to the wall, although not a patch on cd1, that scene had me in tears:)

      • Beijinger

        lol, this fucking laowai trying to sound local got his ass pwned here.

      • TheNotebook

        Just to let you know. 快,as far as I know means, ” a piece of” let’s say chicken? but also is the measure of the basic monetary unit in China. Check a dictionary, book or something. Hope you go to sleep knowing something new today.

        Will you be angry if i say your post is 一块shit?

        Good night.

        • donscarletti

          快 means fast.

          Good night.

          • TheNotebook

            Hahaha. Yes i had a good one. As you can see, i typed wrong the first one but not the one that says your post is 一块shit. But i guess you have enough brain so you did understood perfectly my post.

            Morning

      • zi_ni_ma_13

        so ….. you have never been to sichuan.

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  • hang

    “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”?

  • LuoyangLaowai

    It really sounds like its time for another protest like in “89. Whats the Gov’t going to do. They cant end it the way they did last time. The whole world is watching them. Now is the time for revolution.

    • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

      Are you going to join in on it?

      • LuoyangLaowai

        Its not my business. I just think they should stop letting themselves be stepped all over. Im not Chinese and China is not my homeland. but damn. you would think these people would say enough is enough.

        • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

          It’s not your business, but you’re still saying it’s time for a protest like in 1989, a protest where a lot of people were killed.

          • LuoyangLaowai

            In 1989 News was slow and China was nothing. Today THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHES CHINA. China is not just some third world country anymore. The Chinese Government would no Dare pull the bullshit now like they did killing all those people in 1989. Especially with the place they have with the rest of the world. Especially with How fast news moves today. With the Internet and other Media sources. Im just saying what the people tried to do then. I think it Can be done now.

          • the ace of books

            “In 1989 News was slow”

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

            you

            you’re joking, right?

          • LuoyangLaowai

            actually, I dont know. I was only about 6 or 7 then. But I guess it is slower than how information travels and gets around today.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            yea pretty much why the British government rolled over in Northern Ireland, news travels fast and unhindered now days. Where as before the BBC would block and censor all the news from there, Still the tables of turned on the BBC and the truth coming out about them now.PF.

          • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

            Yet they still ruin the lives of dissidents today.

          • LuoyangLaowai

            Ok. So maybe I am wrong. I am just a Laowai. I am thinking in the western way. Clearly the western way of thinking is impossible in China. It seems Chinese people will always be mindless workers that just follow what they are told and not put up much fight

        • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

          Spineless/ keep your head down and keep moving are the usual stereotypes taught by elder generations. Maybe the younger generation can snap out of it. Maybe for certain things there are just too much money to be made.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

    Rural folk get massive discounts on house hold appliances (TVs, Fridges,Washing machines etc), cars,vans and other necessities of life. Subsidies or free health care.

    Lots of swings and roundabouts, not just a crappy 55rmb a month. everything pro ratio.
    Still every one a right to complain in this country.(because you can now)

    Most western countries no fucker hears you.

  • http://twitter.com/khawachen Karze

    While government grabs the land from the farmer by force for pittance and now farmers get a crumbs while all the cream is licked by officials, Doe communism in China works like this. Isn’t everybody is suppose to get a fair share. No wonder granpda Wen Jiabo made 2.9 Billion $US during his 10 year as PM and Hu Jintao must have made more than that being the President.

    • http://simplydesigned.tumblr.com/ maybeabanana

      You may be revealing a reason to why some people have resort to more cheap meat producing tactics for more income.

  • vincent
    • radbab

      okay, anecdotal evidence and personal experience counts for nothing, but recently I were in some places where the lamb tasted weird – more intense. Maybe they just used old lamb or it’s some other trick like using sheep urine to give that smell/taste. Anyway I didn’t like it. Maybe I’m just getting bored of eating lamb anyway. Gotta switch to pork… no wait. Chicken!.. no… doh!

      Then again, China isn’t really a good country if you’re picky about stuff like MSG, organic food or whatever else is the food-fad-of-the-day in the west. As long as it doesn’t kill you… :/

      • vincent

        Well the article I posted states that some dude has been supplying lamb in Shanghai for the past 4 years that turned out to be either rat, fox or mink meat.

        • James

          hell I was even suspicious of some of the chicken I got in HK before when I ordered gong bao ji ding

        • Rick in China

          If he sold it as Fox or Mink he coulda probably got a premium price. If I saw Fox on a Stick or Mink Balls (yum?) I’d definitely try them out, even if they were 4x the price of the lamb sticks.

          • Klove

            I saw squirrel hotpot advertised in the windows of some restaurants last time around when I was in Yangshuo. I didn’t try it, but was curious, would (lit) tree rat hot pot, be a winner? Hmmm…..

      • hess

        “where the lamb tasted weird – more intens” You mean like lamb is supposed to taste like?

  • Ron King

    The Chinese dream seems to be to join the government. Wouldn’t it be funny if every person in China applied to join the government.

    • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

      It’s a match made in heaven: politicians who are also businessmen.

      It’s a “2-in-1″ that you can never wash whiter than white, unfortunately.

      • Ron King

        I just thought it would be funny if every single person in the country was in the government.

        • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

          “I just thought it would be funny if every single person in the country was in BED WITH the government.”

          There. Fixed it for you.

    • James

      it sees the same for some politicians in the US. make the government larger & larger you’ll have more power, have more control over more people

  • linette lee

    Poor farmers. China really need to start taking care of those people in the poor rural areas. They deserve better than this. Those farmers and cheap labor workers are the backbone of China economy. They need better treatment from China gov’t.

  • Knavers ouyang

    so sad.

    I can’t image how the “shitzens” have struggled to live.

  • trouse

    all i can say is i dont care it’s their own problem…they are all the same abusive…poor and rich are all same here…give them something still they will want more.grrrr.

  • Jin Ch’in

    People should just work hard and save their own pension..why should government have to be burden by your retirement? If you can not afford to live with your own means then you should just remove yourself from society.

  • Dr Sun

    Now I wonder who voted for that ?

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