Father Sucks Rabies-Infected Blood from Dog-Bitten Son, Dies

A Chinese father dies of rabies after trying to save his dog-bitten son by using his mouth to directly suck rabies-infected blood out of the son's wound.

From NetEase:

Father Uses Mouth to Suck Poisonous Blood Out of Dog-Bitten Son, Dies from Rabies 1 Month Later

A month ago, after seeing his son’s leg bitten by a stray dog, a 41-year-old Jiang X desperate to save his son used his mouth to suck and spit out the blood from the wound multiple times. His son was timely injected with a rabies vaccine while Jiang X abstained and was not injected with rabies vaccine.

Two days ago, Jiang X felt unwell and was diagnosed with rabies by the hospital. On the early morning of the 24th, Jiang X died despite medical care.

A. Rescue

Son bitten by dog, father sucked out seven or eight mouthfuls of “poisoned blood”

According to villagers, Jiang X was 41 years old this year, from Sihong county, Qingyang town, Chonggang community. Early morning on August 19th, Jiang X’s not-yet-20-year-old son Young Jiang was outside the door cleaning when a small, dirty, inconspicuous-looking yellow stray dog came up to Young Jiang. Young Jiang paid it no mind nor did he shoo the stray dog away but instead continued cleaning.

Suddenly, this small inconspicuous stray dog bit the Young Jiang’s left calf before turning and running away. “Ai you! I was bitten! Someone help!” shouted Young Jiang as he covered the wound on his leg from the dog bite. Upon hearing his son yell from inside, Jiang X ran out to his son. Neighbors too rushed over one by one, who then pursued the stray dog in the direction it had run, and eventually beat the man-biting little dog to death.

Seeing his son moan in pain, Jiang X was distraught. Desperate to save his son, he hastily got hot water with the help of family and neighbors to rinse his son’s wound. Then, Jiang X did something shocking, squatting down to use his mouth to suck on his son’s wound, sucking out the “poisonous blood” inside before spitting it onto the ground. He sucked and spat seven to eight mouthfuls of “poisoned blood” before he felt more at ease. Then, Jiang X took his son to the nearest hospital where a doctor attended to the wound and timely injected a “rabies vaccine”, about one hour after Young Jiang had been bitten.

However, Jiang X himself did not get a “rabies vaccine” injection. Jiang X even said to neighbors: “Getting a ‘rabies vaccine’ shot for my son is enough. A ‘rabies vaccine’ shot for me would require more money and I’d have to get several shots, avoid eating this or that so I won’t get vaccinated, because what are the chances that I’ll be infected without getting vaccinated?”

B. Onset

Over a month later, father smashes ambulance after onset of rabies

Two days ago, Jiang X felt unwell. Upon suspecting ‘rabies’ from his symptoms, the local hospital urged his relatives to take him to the provincial capital’s hospital for diagnosis and treatment as soon as possible. Jiang X was subsequently diagnosed with “rabies” by a Nanjing hospital. Because this disease cannot be cured, his family could only forgo treatment.

On the night of September 23rd, when the Nanjing hospital had transported him to his home via ambulance, Jiang X suddenly lost control and became volatile, breaking multiple glass windows on the ambulance as well as the equipment in the ambulance. It was already around 10pm at night, and after the Sihong county Zhonggang local police station received a 110 call, station chief Wang Yao brought police officer Ye Wenchao and 3 auxiliary officers along in rushing to the scene.

Because people infected with rabies are extremely aggressive and infectious, the police and auxiliary police on the scene had to simultaneously disperse the crowds and work with Jiang X’s family in comforting and persuading him, trying to calm his irritable state of mind. However, Jiang X’s state of mind simply could not be calmed and the surrounding villagers were also exceptionally frightened by the situation they were witnessing. To avoid triggering a panic among the villagers, Wang Yao braved being infected with ‘rabies’, boarded the ambulance, and told the driver to take Jiang X away from the village.

Wang Yao also urgently requested assistance from the head of the Sihong county public security bureau. Soon after, Jiang X was being taken to the infectious diseases department at a Sihong county hospital for medical treatment.

C. Death

Hours after being taken to the hospital, he died under treatment

However, before the ambulance carrying Jiang X had driven very far, Jiang X again became abnormally irritable and agitated. Suddenly, Jiang X had his left arm around his father’s neck while holding a piece of broken glass in his right hand, threatening his father demanding that he be cure him of his disease.

After the ambulance was forced to stop, station chief Wang Yao consoled Jiang X from the back door of the ambulance to divert his attention while several special police team members immediately entered the ambulance through the side door and quickly restrained Jiang X’s arms, legs, and head, simultaneously rescuing the father.

Then, the ambulance carrying Jiang X was escorted to a Sihong country hospital’s infectious diseases department. At 3am in the early morning of the 24th, just a few hours after being taken to the hospital, Jiang X died while being treated.

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Comments from NetEase:

网易甘肃省兰州市网友 ip:118.183.*.*:

A great father. Frankly, the common people are just like this, scrimping and saving whenever they can, so I can really understand this father [and his actions].
Also shows how the country’s healthcare system isn’t sound, or at least vaccines like this should be administered for free.

网易安徽省阜阳市网友 ip:36.62.*.*:

I’m a rabies outpatient service doctor. There are really too many people with small dogs who don’t keep them in cages, without a controlled pet-raising environment, and there are an especially large number of wild dogs. In the summer when people are wearing less clothes and there are irritable little dogs, there are often people who have been bitten by dogs coming in seeking medical attention. Normal rabies vaccines require 5 shots with a series costing 300-500 yuan. A bite from a rabid dog or wild dog requires an injection of rabies immunoglobulin, and for an adult it costs 2000-3000 yuan. An ordinary family will indeed find it a bit costly to pay for. I hope the government can make dog bites covered by [state-provided] healthcare, as this would save even more people’s lives.

kehuachina [网易广东省肇庆市网友]:

I was bitten by a stray dog once in Africa’s Algeria. After immediately disinfecting, I went to the local hospital. Although it’s rather impoverished there, medical care was completely free. I got 4 shots there and didn’t get the last shot because of returning to China though before returning to China, the hospital gave me the last amount of vaccine and needle. At the time, I had discussed this issue with a client and the client had said: “Government is meant to serve the people”, which really left a deep impression on me.

网易江西省南昌市网友 ip:218.65.*.*: (responding to 118.183.*.*)

Free injections is something I extremely support!!!

frank胡斌 [网易山西省吕梁市网友]: (responding to above)

Last month I was bitten by a dog and because the bite was relatively deep, other than getting vaccinated, I also got an injection of immunoglobulin and ended up spending over 2000 [RMB]. This is a true example. So basically one month’s wages gone. This was done at a municipal center for disease control and prevention. I don’t understand, in this kind of situation, where did our country’s medical insurance system go?

网易北京市网友 ip:113.45.*.*:

Great is the love of a father, but some money truly shouldn’t be saved. However, I can still understand [empathize], because after all, for the lives of ordinary common people, what can be scrimped and saved is scrimped and saved. But I’m still very heartbroken [by this story].

网易广东省阳江市网友 ip:112.90.*.*:

It it were my child who was bitten, I too would suck out the poisonous blood.

lyh2009121 [网易河南省郑州市网友]:

The retribution for beating to death the little dog.

网易天津市网友 ip:111.164.*.*: (responding to above)

If it were you, what would you have done? Take it to a shelter?

KAYLU [网易浙江省湖州市网友]: (also responding to lyh2009121)

You retard.

网易上海市手机网友 ip:112.64.*.*: (also responding to lyh2009121)

Henan people are truly fucking stupid cunts! Send my regards to your mother and your sister! [“Your mother” and “your sister” are also curse words so that second sentence is also a fancy way to simply say “fuck you”.]

网易广东省深圳市网友 ip:116.25.*.*:

The ZF should be reflecting on this. Just like this, a human life is lost, all because of wanting to save money. Then look at those so-called extravagant wasteful social groups and you can see the wide wealth gap. Recommend having the injection of this kind of vaccine be subsidized by the government.

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  • SonofSpermcube

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_protocol

    It can be cured, sometimes. Not a terribly reliable treatment, but the odds are better than doing nothing.

  • The Enlightened One

    Wtf? What a wild random situation.

  • The Enlightened One

    I think a lot of stray dogs are going to pay thte price for this one. Gonna be a lot of doggy soup being served.

    • Don

      And there is something wrong with that……?

      • Uncle Tom

        I hope you do not get bitten, I hate to suck your blod even with a dog biting your shameless body

      • 5,000 years of uncivilization

        Yes, there is. Killing and eating dogs is not the solution unless you are a barbarian.

        • Don

          Dog is great to eat. If you don’t like it that is your problem. You like to put stray dogs to sleep; I like to eat them. At least the animal doesn’t go to waste rotting away in my scenario.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Who said i like to put dogs to sleep? How does the idea of a species eating your species or family grab you? Barbarians don’t seem to have hearts.

          • Monkeekong

            why don’t you go fuck a dog, you know you want to.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            What the fuck is your problem?

          • What indeed, but he won’t answer, but deflect with the whole I don’t like white man routine!

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            You might be right about that. About half the Chinese i know don’t like animals so perhaps in their narrow minds, if one likes animals, it means they really ‘like’ animals. For the record, i have never had any sexual desire for anything other than a human female.

          • mr.wiener

            Keep it nice please.

          • winterbitten

            Hey that’s a great idea. Let’s start eating Chinese people to save China. I can see it now, the slogan

            “Cannibalism, saving China one person at a time!”

          • Monkeekong

            i’m sure you’ve heard this argument before but do you eat meat you asshole?

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            I’ve never eaten any meat. Who is the asshole?

          • Monkeekong

            nevermind i read your comment wrong

          • Ami

            I’ve never really gotten why people get puffy about eating dogs but not about animals like pigs.

            Pigs are very intelligent yet they get slaughtered regularly all over the world. There are people who own pigs as pets and treat them as some would dogs.
            Have y’all ever seen a “Kune kune” pig? THEYRE SOOO ADORABLE. So don’t say its because pigs aren’t cute or aren’t smart or can’t be pets.

            Anyway: I’m not saying you should eat dogs but its not really all that different from other animals humans consume.

      • The Enlightened One

        Well, I am pretty sure a lot of dogs in China would find something wrong with that lol.

        • Monkeekong

          I personally wouldn’t mind if they get rid of all the stray dogs as long as it’s in a humane manner (I advocate neutering them, and then letting them go die off naturally). There are too many fucking dogs in China running around everywhere biting people and shitting everywhere and running wild not being on leashes. Everyday you hear about mastiffs mauling people and killing little children. Why is this? i do not know. maybe it’s because they think it’s glamorous to emulate westerners and their love of dogs? I think this is stupid. personally i hate dogs. I think they’re dirty and disgusting. Especially people that keep dogs indoors or sleep with them. People that keep dogs indoors are all filthy.

          • winterbitten

            Hey, I see what you did there. Mastiffs are Chengguan right? Yeah, put all those “dogs” down, dawg.

            Those Chinese girls aren’t that bad, no need to put people down for sleeping with them man!

          • Guest

            wtf are you talking about retard?

          • Monkeekong

            Are you calling chinese girls dogs?

          • I do believe the OP was trying to make a point to your stereotyping, oh never mind. On second thoughts I would wager you are perhaps Japanese, or Korean, who are just if not more arrogant than….

          • Monkeekong

            I’ll make it easier for you, i am whatever you want me to be! which race do you hate the most?

          • Japanese. So easy to answer, most arrogant race in the world.

          • Monkeekong

            well i’m irish

          • You do not look irish, dear boy. But if you are, cheers to the murphys stout!

          • winterbitten

            I’m posting stupid nonsense in response to your own. Isn’t that what we’re doing?

          • Monkeekong

            i don’t know man you seem to take it really personally when i say something bad about dogs. you are one of those looney dog lovers aren’t you?

          • People keep dogs indoors because maybe it is bloody freezing outside and the dog would die. A bit different if you live somewhere sub tropical though. Get it now, got it, good!!!

          • Monkeekong

            dogs are pretty damn dirty. that’s all i know. whenever you own a dog you sacrifice at least some of your hygienicness in life. If you think dogs are more important than your hygiene, go for it. I’m not judging you i just want to help you see the light!

          • I’m not judging you i just want to help you see the light!

            You are being judgmental, and I do NOT need to see any light, especially one being shined by you. Many people keep dogs indoors, nothing wrong with it.

    • poppy

      Howe right you are :-( bastard race :-(

      • mr.wiener

        “bastard race”……Who would you be referring to? Think very carefully before you post that again.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      mmmmm~ dog stew~

    • David

      I would like to think people know better then to be eating rabies infected dogs. . . . . like I said, I would LIKE to think that.

  • The Enlightened One

    Why is that dude smacking the guy’s crotch with the baton?

    • David

      Well, it is China and they do like to get in a little smack whenever they can. Maybe he is training to be a Chengguan.

    • Kai

      LoL, it’s actually one of those extendo-robotic arm sort of things that’s grabbing his leg. I think Chinese police outfits have been getting equipped with them for some time to deal with assailants from a distance.

  • bujiebuke

    This is not meant to be rhetorical. I thought China had Universal health care? I realize the conditions at hospitals are terrible but why do they need to pay for his treatment?

    • Stu

      Easy answer: China doesn’t have universal healthcare.

    • MrT

      he could also pass on rabies, so its disease control.

      • Uncle Tom

        As i said in antoher comment…some people must stay off the breeding program…hopefull this son will not breed and spend his live looking after mans best friend THE DOG

        • mr.wiener

          There is legitimate concern for animal rights…and then there is outright arrogant pontificating mixed in with a vengeful spite for people you have never met.
          How do you know this family had ever eaten dog?….Because they were Chinese right?…..whoops there are over 1 billion Chinese and only a small [and shrinking] minority eat dog.
          A question to you sir. If you lived in an area in which stray dogs where known to have rabies and your child was bitten, what would you do? Hunt the animal down so it can be examined or set up a trust fund to get it adopted by hollywood celebrities?
          This man did the best he could do for his child, his only mistake was pinching pennies when it came to his own welfare. Your condemnation of him based on the prejudice that all Chinese are dog torturing pet eaters is the kind of blinkered arrogance that makes people in developing nations despise the west.

          • Germandude

            The wise voice of reason strikes again. Thanks mr.wiener and +1

    • poppy

      YES, they should have just left the bastard to die :-( they torture and skin dogs alive so who gives a TOSS :-(

      • Germandude

        Ah, it’s you! The happy chicken from a western mass-livestock holding…

        • mr.wiener

          I though it was that weird feminist from the other day. Same fascination with capitalizing some words.

          • Germandude

            You mean the one that tried to make an argument with me? I didn’t pay attention to the capitalizing of words. I am just fascinated by the ignorance of poppy and the feminist the other day…

    • Kai

      Depends on what you mean by “universal”. I think there’s a minimum amount of free or otherwise subsidized health care services available to all Chinese citizens but not everything is covered.

      I’m tempted to say that the system in China is in some ways better than the US but in other ways worse. (Sorry if the comparison to the US doesn’t mean anything to you. It’s what I have to go by.)

  • Fanduril

    He should have put hot water on the bite and told his son to have a good rest.

    • Uncle Tom

      Yes, where is the medical report to say the poor little dog did infact have Rabies….. it was mercelessly beaten to death and I and sure it suffered more than the father did in the throes of a RABIES DEATH

      • poppy

        I agree totally, they eat dogs :-(

      • Ami

        Rabies is an extremely preventable, painful and humiliating thing to die of. Beaten to death or not, it died both of them died a dog’s death :/

      • Kai

        It’s implied that the father got rabies from exposure to the dog’s blood. If the dog was the only likely vector for his infection, then the dog had rabies.

        Animals that attack humans are taken down and put down pretty much everywhere. So China doesn’t always have a trained animal control specialist in each town to do the dirty work for the residents, it doesn’t mean the response was unusual.

        • Germandude

          Yeah. Zoo-worker goes into a tiger catch, gets eaten. Tiger gets shot…

      • jax

        Beating a rabies-infected dog to death is the humane thing to do. Dying by rabies is a horrible death, for dog and man alike, and a rabies-infected animal is likely to infect more animals.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    While he heroically risked his life to save his son, Jiang X just had to demonstrated this cliche Chinese stereotype of “saving money”.

    One simply does not refuse to take life-saving vaccine in order to save money!

    • mwanafa

      May be he didn’t think that much, arrogance can hurt sometimes, I always refuse tetanus vaccines, not just because they cost … but just because I never thought it will actually hurt me that much.

      • MrT

        he knew it hurt is son…

      • Uncle Tom

        People must get educated, I do not think it is arrogance but rather ignorance. If you can have children then you must have more knoledege iin and about life. THere is a saying, some people shpuld not breed!

      • tsinoy

        You can read the article again. He declined to get the shots because of the cost. I can agree with ignorance but definitely not due to arrogance.

    • The Enlightened One

      To be honest… before I came to China I was taught that the life of a human being is priceless.

      After I came to China… I can approximate the value of a human life to be somewhere between 3000 – 500 000 RMB by the compensation payouts I have seen. This is a VERY VERY sick part of China’s society.

      • lonetrey / Dan

        a range of 497,000 RMB? (~81k USD) o_O

        • The Enlightened One

          Yeah and that is high end. Most I have seen were around 100k RMB. As we can see, this guy didn’t even think 2-3k RMB was worth his life.

          It sickens me honestly, to think with the money I made this month I could go out and kill someone here “accidentally” and then just settle with their family for like 100k RMB.

          Clean and clear. Although being a foreigner, probably have to pay out more and probably end up in the papers lol… but you get my point.

          • Are you working in business or something? Foreign teachers or even consultants don’t earn 100k a month, in rmb?

          • The Enlightened One

            Yeah, got a small biz. It is doing well.

          • In Guangdong?

  • mwanafa

    Bravo for the father’s brave act. Damn money talks, you don’t have 2000 for the vaccine then you can go to hell and die, a true doctor would not let him leave a hospital without taking a vaccine. He is just one of the victim of the ‘after money’ medical systems.

    • poppy

      Oh go and get a life, they skin dogs alive then torture them before they eat them, this is RETRIBUTION :-)

      • 5,000 years of uncivilization

        Be careful what you say. It may come back to haunt you. Vegetarians aren’t usually so aggressive unless you’re Hitler. So turn it down a little. Remember what some idiots said after the 2008 earthquake in China? It isn’t retribution so much as it’s what we want it to be. You can believe in karma if you want but don’t bash all Chinese because of what some of them do. It’s better to educate them so that they can join you in the cause to stop the murder of animals.

        • Germandude

          1st: just because in developed countries, we let machines slaughter the animals, it doesn’t make us in any way more civilized

          2nd: considering 1st, can you imagine how many people in western countries assume their meat’s origin is the supermarket? It simply comes from there because that’s where they bought it from

          3rd: If you are a vegetarian, you are an asshole. You are eating my food’s food away.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            1st & 2nd: genau aber vegetarians are assholes? That’s like saying Germans are all arrogant nazis.

          • Germandude

            Vegetarians are no assholes… I assume you didn’t recognize my joke.
            Having said that, who can guaranee that plants don’t feel pain just because they cannot express it?

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Fair enough. Not all Germans are arrogant nazis… only some. Good point and if i didn’t have to eat plants to survive, i wouldn’t. I don’t think i could live very long just eating minerals but i can live quite well as a vegetarian. Perhaps even longer.

          • Guy Fawkes

            I agree to 3rd. but with a different reason. In the process of clearing a land for farming, many small lives die and animals dislocated of their habitat that might eventually lead to their demise. Pesticide also kills many small lives. Most wallets, handbags, shoes and some sofas were made of skins. I see many vegetarians voiced against people eating meat as one of the food source to survive but no problem of using animal skins as accessories.

          • Germandude

            Exactly. Double-standard. I find it fascinating that a lot of the activisits pig an animal and fight for it. Let’s say: “Protect the dolphins, they are humans best friend”. But when it comes to sharks, they don’t care, because sharks are different.

            There are many environmentalists that have an honorable standpoint which I admire. However, the people I totally despise are the ones that e.g. love dogs, because “dogs are man’s best friend”, while they don’t give a shit about any other species. I am pretty sure everybody knows one of those in his circle of friends…

      • mr.wiener

        Only in your mind.

      • Germandude

        So what do you eat then? Any chicken, pig, cow, fish or other animal? If so, do you really believe cows grow up and live on a nice green field, getting the best of grass and shelter during storms? And only after dying a natural death, they will get a ceremony before being cut into pieces so that you can enjoy your beef burger?

        Or that nice pig, that is happily running around, being washed every day with care and fed with only the best of vegetables until it dies.

        And so on, and so on.

    • Kai

      I’m curious. Do you think the doctors may have also assumed the chances of infection from sucking and spitting out the blood were remote since rabies is usually transmitted from infected saliva directly into the victim’s circulatory system? I’m ust trying to give the benefit of the doubt that it wasn’t clear cut indifference to an clear and obvious danger.

      • mwanafa

        Yeah, that’s true, I guess never had happened a similar case(I am not sure, but I never heard of it), and perhaps nobody new for sure he will be infected just for sucking.

  • MrT

    truly retarded, sooner they all die off the better.

    • poppy

      YES :-)

      • poppy

        Oh I like your thinking Uncle Tom, join me on my fb tessaconnorton :-)

        • Uncle Tom

          i have called u

          • mr.wiener

            I think I’m going to be ill.

    • Uncle Tom

      Wel well…quote…”He sucked and spat seven to eight mouthfuls of “poisoned blood” before he felt more at ease.” I have just done a test and a mufull for me is 75 ml x 7or8 …this is nearlt 500 ml of blood. How does one suck this much from a poor liitle dog bite. Is, sorry ‘was’ the father a Vampire??Was this son bleeding to death… This sound like a Chinese village urban story. Mt T U right the sooner they get rid og them selves the better China will be.

    • Kai

      Come on, man, please rein in the obviously inflammatory remarks, MrT. We’ve let you get away with enough and we know you know better but do it for shits and giggles. See the comment policy.

      • MrT

        I got a two option answer to that.
        1: sooner all those rabid dogs die off the better.
        What was every one else thinking i meant?
        Maybe lost in translation, you know how it is, English not being my first language according to most on here.(not even my third!)

        2: Chinese can say what they want on the internet in China and it even gets re translated here by China smack, but foreigners are gagged when expressing a common opinion.wooo I thought the west was the great advocate of freedom of speech!
        I stand corrected!

        I understand you have a difficult job with all the foreigners flagging me for putting the boot in on western ways and now the nationalist face loosing Chinese flagging me, well because they just assume every one hates them. (when in fact im a great fan of clever Chinese people, just not retards)
        But I shall wind my neck in a tad as requested.for the over sensitive politically correct knob heads that lurk about here.

        “giggle”

        • Kai

          1. I’ll let people view your comment history and judge for themselves what you likely meant. It’s easy enough on Disqus. I mean, dude, you “giggled”.

          2. Yep, it’s a compromise. Our comment policy is arguably much more lax and lenient compared to most large English websites/blogs. It’s also more restricted in many ways (though not all) compred to most large Chinese websites. We really try to straddle an uneasy balance between “free speech” and clearly malicious behavior. Again, you “giggled”.

          Remember, freedom of speech is a right granted to you by a government that doesn’t apply to private property, which this website is. We also don’t think freedom of speech is a practical defense for disruptive behavior like spam, flooding, sockpuppetry, and inflammatory remarks we have cause to suspect as being done intentionally (trolling). Please see comment policy again.

          There’s ways to “put the boot in on” the retards on any “side” without consciously inflammatory remarks. There’s people randomly expresing stupidity and then there is trolling. I’m worried you’re indulging in the latter and I’ve observed you for a long time. Thank you for understanding our position and respecting our efforts to improve the environment in the comments section.

          • MrT

            I needed more coffee then i was expecting to get through all that!

            I dont normally need coffee, because i never bother to go past your first paragraphs, on anything.

            I’ll let people view your comment history and judge for themselves what I likely meant. It’s easy enough on Disqus.

            “giggle”
            Keep up the good work!
            BTW isn’t Disqus another NSA tracking system for expats living in foreign countries. Maybe just a rumor….

  • 二奶头发

    After reading the chinese comments the question from this news story would be if China can afford a state-provided healthcare system for all citizens.

    There are a lot of people in china… and if china created a FREE health care system what would happen?

    Remember the crowd that scrambled for FREE potted plants in guangdong last year? And those were just plants.

    • Daniel

      If so many people pay taxes where does it go? They should raise taxes a bit more and give all chinese free healthcare. For regular chinese people paying 20 or 30% income tax wouldnt matter so much only rich people would “suffer” more. I am from Sweden and healthcare here is almost free of all charges. I guess Sweden is more communist country than China is. Its sad that my country takes better care of my lao po than her own country would ever do…

      • narsfweasels

        Only 25 million people in China pay income tax. That’s not even 5% of the population. The threshold is around 6000 RMB a month.

        • Nessquick Choco

          And the amount of the tax they pay, is nothing. the govt here make more money in one single hour on highway toll gates , than from collecting taxes…

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            If the drivers can afford to buy fancy cars that pollute our air, they can afford to pay more taxes.

          • Nessquick Choco

            this is the reason, they do not pay taxes, thus they can afford it …

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Taxes in China aren’t that high. Chinese could drive Chinese cars instead but they choose to buy imported cars that cost much more in order to showoff. If they can afford to buy imports, they can afford to pay health care taxes. Most just don’t care enough to help others. Many prefer to cheat others so that they can live in luxury.

          • Nessquick Choco

            Exactly :-)

          • Kevin Yu

            Imported cars? Besides luxury cars, the car manufacturers have manufacturers (at least the german ones like BMW, mercedes, VW, Audi) in China.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            True but not all of them are made in China. In fact, if a Chinese person buys an imported German car like one of those mentioned above, they like to point it out as if the quality is higher because of the import tax and the fact that it was made in Germany instead of China. Brand names are so important to certain people.

          • Kevin Yu

            But thats generally true. The german cars in China are more expensive than here in Germany and offer less safety. I am not sure how to express it well in english, but I know that the connection between the car-doors and the chassis is far better in german cars than in chinese.

            Besides that, I never heard of anyone really import their cars directly from Germany.

          • Germandude

            A lot of rich Chinese import their cars from overseas. First, versions of cars that are not (yet) sold in China and also for quality reasons.

            I heard from a Volkswagen employee, that BMW for example paints the hood on the outside and the inside in Germany and adds a specific fluid to keep it rust-free. In the Chinese produced BMWs, these fluids are not used for the inside, eventhough it’s well-known to cause rust rather quickly.

            I don’t know if it’s true but I also heard this rumor from other people, so maybe there is truth to it.

          • Nessquick Choco

            It may be true. There is a huge parking lot just beside of our living complex. They move hundreds of BMWs there every day in and out. I saw the bottom of those 7er …

            man, I thought they will do something better for the money they ask for it here. It was looked almost same good work, as my friends back home in workshop. The welding, the craftwork, … man, I’ve done in my 13th work with my unlce. His 733i undergo general reworking, we have unpacked it all and put back after cleaning and paintjob…So I know how the BMW have to looks like.

            But once again. It was 20 years ago … As with many other carmakers, the quality sure is on lower level than in the golden ages :-)

          • Germandude

            Yeah, tell me something. Isn’t it amazing that nowadays, hardly any car manufacturer produces engines that last as long as like 20 years ago? I mean, I can remember that many of my family members were driving VWs, BMWs, Audis and Mercedes for 500,000 (!) and more kilometers. Not because they couldn’t afford buying a new car, but because of the German way of thinking: “If it ain’t broken, don’t change it”.

            Today, the electronical systems within cars are making sure that you want to change your vehicle after a few years of driving, no matter, how far you went. Really sad…

            Also: I once met a guy from Canada, who claimed to be a “Design manager system for system errors” or sth like that. He told me that they actually had to come up with a solution of making sure that the spin of the drum in washing machines was designed in such a way that it will break right after the 3 year guarantee is over. He said that they used a special hardened plastic at one of the mechanics that would reliably fail at 500 rounds of washing or so. And their research found out that people use their washing machines every 2nd day on average.
            He said that customers should be educated to purchase new stuff rather quickly because the development of better quality and more environmental products should reach the consumer faster… Yeah, right…

          • maybeabanana

            From knowing southerners, their obsession with trucks. I heard much of the Ford trucks used to be quality build transmissions, now its crap and even more electronic diagnostic problems that render them in full shutdown mode.

          • Wololoo

            I worked for BMW and just the BMW 3 and BMW 1 are produced X-series is produced completely in the USA and the 7 and 5 are either fully imported or ckd/skd.

          • maybeabanana

            FACE FACE FACE.

          • firebert5

            And the highway tolls hit lots of poor farmers trying to get to and from the city every day, besides major chain store supply trucks.

          • Nessquick Choco

            Where do this money go ?

        • David

          I know as a foreigner I pay 20% income tax to China on what I make here.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Same here and i’ve heard that is twice the amount that Chinese pay. Is it true that Chinese only pay 10% compared to 20% by foreigners?

          • David

            Got this from Wikipedia (which I trust about as much as my dead uncle) but it gives you something of a base line to compare to:

            Individual income tax
            New tax rates announced September 2011

            from 0-1500 RMB 3%

            1500 – 4500 RMB 10%
            4500 – 9000 RMB 20%
            9000 – 35000 RMB 25%
            35000 – 55000 RMB 30%
            55000 – 80000 RMB 35%
            80000 + over RMB 45%

            Tax exemption: 3500 for regular employees, 4800 RMB non residents. monthly tax = (taxable income – tax exemption) * tax rate – quick deduction.

            This is actually what I am paying. With my personal deduction and after taking away what I get paid for housing, I fall at the top of the 20% rate bracket.

          • 5,000 years of uncivilization

            Thanks. So it seems foreigners don’t have to pay a higher tax percentage than Chinese. It’s just that many foreigners pay more in taxes because they often earn more than the average local.

          • David

            That is what it looks like.

      • 二奶头发

        A free universal health care system would be great for any country.

        However, 30% tax is quite high. A chinese person would look at it as (30% tax for example) for every 100 kuai I have to give the government 30 kuai. for every 10,000 kuai I have to give the government 3000 kuai.

        it would be cheaper for the rich person to pay for his/her own family’s health care then a 30% income tax a year.

        In fact if you could set aside 30% of your income a month for your family’s personal health care then you can invest that money and it would make interest (as you wont need it all the time).

        • Germandude

          Right. Since we all know, private people are so good at saving money. And since we also all know, that healthcare is so cheap that anybody that saves his 30% of income will accumulate enough money to be secured in any case of disease. Let’s say your average household income in China is RMB 6000/month. That means, 2 people working, plus child, meaning 3 people in the family covered by 30% of RMB 6000/month income. That means that this family saves RMB 1800/month, or RMB 21,600/year.

          Now vaccinations, dentist costs etc. are deducted, and let’s be very very very conservative here, assuming everybody in that family has no troubles at all and just goes to a doctor once/year to check that his health is ok. RMB 15,000/year are saved (remember, very generous assumption) for the future.

          Then a family member is having cancer. Now, how many years of savings are needed to pay for that treatment? Probably more years than they saved.

          Instead of such a retarded systems that fails in pretty many cases and that causes huge unrest and an unfair distribution, let’s assume the same is done on a country-wide level. Everybody pays in, only the ones in demand take sth out of it. Make it fair that people with higher income pay more than people with lower income, but have the possibility to add own money to get better treatment (like anybody else within that system is allowed to do so, but the standard treatment is the same for all).

          Yupp, I don’t think it takes further explanation at this stage to understand the advantage of such a system being better than people privately saving for the worst case (as if the majority of the people would do so…).
          Now I know, many people call it socialism and inefficient because of governments or healthcare companies being corrupt. Correct, fight corruption. I enjoy living into every day knowing that while crossing the street that if a fucking BMW 7 driver hits me because he can’t drive, at least I don’t need to worry if he is insured or not. Because I am insured and won’t have to lay in hospital chosing what kind of treatment I can afford. Am I complaining about the high costs of healthcare? Yes I am. Am I willing to forego of such a system? HELL NO

    • Bunch of selfish old baboons.

    • biggj

      Reminds me of story lol. My aunt was moving and she posted on Kijiji.ca…it’s like a creigslist kind of thing where you can buy and sell stuff. My aunt is hardcore into plants but she could not take them so she was just giving them away. She must of had 50 potted plants around the house and outside. SO she took some pictures and posted and and said just come get them, they are free. After 2 weeks she had giving away a few. even with over 500 hits on the page. SHe ended up having to throw 3/4 of them away. Now if this same situation happened in china…..she would have been robbed, raped and murdered for those plants. lol And probably not in that order either. lol

      • The Enlightened One

        LOL… *BANGS ON THE DOOR*

        “Where’s my motha fukkin plantz beotch! ARRRGHH!”

        *Pulls out axes and starts slamming it into the door*

        “All your plants are belongs to us!”

        “Oh shit, who copied and pasted my post on Taobao!”

      • 二奶头发

        500 hits on the page….they were probably trying to see what kind of leaves the plants had and if they were smokable :-)

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      I also find it bizarre how mobs of Chinese show up when someone is giving away something for free… even if it’s just a business card. On second thought, that is a really nice plant. Bougainvillea is one of my favorites.

      If the government can give away thousands of plants, construct such lavish cities, why can’t it take care of it’s own people who are dying without proper medical treatment? Where are the priorities?

      But i can’t blame the dog… after all, how many dogs are killed and eaten by Chinese every day? Maybe it was karma.

    • boo

      people won’t go for plants if there are plenty of things offered to people
      bau bau!

    • linette lee

      I am pretty sure the rest of the people in the world would scramble for free stuff. I was at the car convention center in USA one year and they were giving some free cheap umbrella. The crowd were pushing and racing to get them. It was all gone within minutes. I didn’t get one because I was too afraid to get step on. People do push to get free items no matter where you go in the world.

  • Uncle Tom

    Poor little dog, why did he bite the son…i wonder. maybe pay back time for lillte dog. Father’s should teach theirs sons to respect dogs. If is alway the poor little dog that started all these things. Come on people, i lived with dogs and they do not JUST bite. they are provoked!!!

    • poppy

      So true, they torture dogs and cats millions even stolen pets with gtheir collars still round their little becks, they torture them then boil the poor souls alive, it’s a disgrace, who gives a TOSS for them, NOT I :-( The bloke probably kicked the dog for no reason:-( SERVES THEM RIGHT.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Shouldn’t you be out on a ledge somewhere ready to jump? Sounds like you have PTSD, best get a gun and put it in your mouth and pull the trigger. That’ll solve all of your problems.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      You’re as dumb as poppy, or are you the same person? I used to get chased by dogs (someone’s pet) in my neighborhood when I was riding my bike as a kid. One time they even bit me. All this unprovoked. You really know nothing about dogs, people or life in general.

    • xmarkwe

      Tom, you astound me, can you not read? …. A little potentially life saving heads up for a dimwit: They DO bite if they have rabies. Their behavior changes, they are irritable, aggressive and bold.

      So, don’t go in there thinking you can pat the rabid animal.
      A little knowledge could save your life, as it would have saved that poor man’s life.

    • David

      I would think it is obvious, the dog bit the boy because it had rabies and that makes an animal insane and aggressive. Not the dogs fault he got sick but it could be responsible for many more people dieing. Also, if it was rabid already then it only had hours to live anyway.

    • Guy Fawkes

      Under your logic, if you got murdered means you didn’t respect your murderer; if your wife or daughter got raped means they didn’t respect the rapist.
      What the hell are you thinking man? What shitty logic is that?

  • poppy

    Well this is called retribution, or KARMA, you eat dogs and have a dreadful record for torturing dogs and cats before you eat them, I have NO SYMPATHY for you and I don not believe you never hit the poor dog or kicked it before it bit you, I am HAPPY :-) Here in the United Kingdom we love our dogs and cats and treat them with love, we HAVE NO rabies and you must be told to get EDUCATED in DOG and CAT CARE :-( WE LOVE THEM :-(

    • lonetrey / Dan

      If the man was a serial dog-crusheror something, then I’d agree with you.

      But this guy was just a dad in this situation.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Why do you even try to reason with him/her/it. It’s obvious that poster is just hatred filled, ignorant, insecure loser.

    • Uncle Tom

      Well said Poppy… little dog just bit hin hahahahaha, read my comments below to several people. If these people stop believing in Rhino horn we would have more Rhino in Africa and Elephants are killed for Ivory. save the animals of the world and live in Harmony please

      • xmarkwe

        Tom, you too should do a bit of research before posting.
        Rabies directly affects the brain of the animal and makes it behave abnormally and unpredictably in the hours/days before it dies.

        Useful knowledge for uneducated animal lovers such as your self: Wild animals which are normally shy will walk straight up to humans, and people have been bitten trying to interact with or by simply getting too close to wild animals.

        So it is very likely he that he had done nothing aggressive towards that dog.

    • Chinese

      You have no understanding of what rabies is, do you?

      • poppy

        Oh yes I do, you DIE and GOOD he beats dogs and they torture dogs millions every day die at the Chinese DOG MEAT TRADE :-( I care NOT. In answer to your comment I certainly do understand what rabies does o a person.

        • Chinese

          You need to go and have a check yourself.

        • Chinese

          I’m serious, seeing you have this uncontrolled excitement and acute pain.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Another candidate for dumbass of the year. I’d really have NO SYMPATHY for you if you got in a car crash and burned to death slowly you dumb fuck. Actually I’d be pretty happy. Coming from the UK with their dreadful human rights record I really hope you die a horrible death soon, now that would be KARMA. Just for that next time I go to China I’m eating dog meat since I want to see how it tastes.

      • Coming from the UK with their dreadful human rights record

        Wear a “I hate the President of C___a” tshirt in beijing, or wear a I hate David Cameron tshirt in London, and see in which place you come out better off. You may well be deported or never again see daylight in one place. Take a guess as to which one, or you are just joking, but I think not.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Of course I’m not joking but you can make a case the U.K.’s human rights record is much worse than China’s. You can also argue the opposite, but really my point is that “poppy” poster is a fucking idiot.

          • Fair enough, but multiple accounts, up with this I will not put. Ask the mods to check my IP. no skullduggery in changing names every so often is there?

          • mr.wiener

            ‘Tis true, we all pretty much know it is you and there is no sockpuppetry.

    • hekawila

      And the UK must get educated in battery chickens and cows and intensive pig farming.

      • The UK already is educated in that, and doesn’t need your suggestion whatsoever.

        • hekawila

          But yet the practices continue…..what does that tell us about the British public? Probably that they don’t really care. Do a bit of fox hunting, shoot a few badgers and watch horses jump to their death in the grand national. If you are measuring how ‘civilised’ a country is by how they treat animals then where does the UK rank?

          • Fox hunting was outlawed in 2007 if memory serves correct, but will double check later. Doesn’t the USA drop donkeys or horses in a rodeo in some states? How does bashing a dog in the head with a hammer and then serving it up in hotpot rank? Or killing cats for cat meat hotpot?

          • hekawila

            Don’t know much about the USA. But the dogs and cats are being eaten for nutritional value, whilst horses running in the Grand National are for entertainment value. Mind you with the horse meat scandal maybe you were eating those dead horses from the Grand national, who knows. And yes, I know you banned fox hunting a while back and you should pat yourself on the back for that. To me dogs, cats, pig, chickens are no different from other animals. If you want to eat them be my guest I don’t really care.

          • People were not knowingly killing those animals as individuals. I have seen squirrel hotpot in China, have you, effing squirrel!! Anything that can be eaten…will. Crocodiles…mei banfa. No, compared to consumption and protection of animals the UK is paradise. End of the story!!!!

    • True, a society can be judged by how they treat their animals.

      http://uk.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7pEYaUNSEBwAlj93Bwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnZlZnRlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkAw–/SIG=13gi5ru69/EXP=1380178328/**http%3a//thinkexist.com/quotation/the_greatness_of_a_nation_and_its_moral_progress/189870.html

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Actually I’d judge a society more on the conditions inside it’s prisons. After all there are many cases where animals are treated better than people.

        • biggj

          I think I’d take Mahatma Gandhi’s words over Kamikazipilot.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Thing is those aren’t my words, at least not originally. The original quote is attributed to Fyodor Dostoyevsky, russian writer who studied human psychology. You never heard that saying before? I’ve heard it several times and I think it’s true to an extent, at least more than that animal treatment saying. After all wasn’t there a time in America that blacks and asians were treated worse than animals.

          • biggj

            Both hold some truth I guess. You have to treat slaves like animals. That the first rule of slavery. Once you see them as humans it will all start to fall apart.

        • And in Britain the prisons are very good, so what does that say then? I have been in prison in the Sultanate of Oman and in the UK, and the UK was far better than rape, rats, scorpions, and no Air con.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Okay I’ll take your word for it. I guess then that’s one indication that the UK is more civilized than Oman. But have you been to prison in China? We’re comparing the UK and China here. Prison conditions are just one indicator of a society’s civility, it’s not a hard and fast rule. Basically if the worst of a society can act civilized (ex. prison, war) then I’d say you can lay claim to a pretty civilized society.

          • Not in China, no. But I cannot imagine they would have internet, playstation 3s and conjugal visits and decent hot food and rehab classes and so on. Sure they may be a few hard cases and rapists in the nick, but prisons in the UK are luxury by comparison I would wager. Got done for breaking into a solicitors through the cellar door up the cellar steps.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Alright then, I guess the present day UK has a leg up on China in at least one aspect of civility. But my original comment about the human rights violations refers more to the past than to the present. The UK is a much more responsible, benevolent country today than it was in the past 300 years.

          • The UK is a much more responsible, benevolent country today than it was in the past 300 years.

            Agreed, so what were we arguing about?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I’m not saying UK is more or less civilized than China, I’m just saying that using a society’s treatment of animals isn’t really a good measure of how civilized a society is. After all, 300 years ago in the U.S. animals were treated better than blacks slaves right? Also the UK wasn’t always as civilized as it is now, remember the Opium Wars and colonizing 1/4 of the world.

            Bottom line is I find the OP’s (poppy) post ridiculous and hate people who think like that. That’s like me saying all Americans deserve to die because of the human rights abuses going on in Guantanamo Bay. Read the OP’s post again and you’ll surely see what I’m talking about.

          • remember the Opium Wars and colonizing 1/4 of the world.

            That was a good period as it put those uppity orientals in their rightful place. A stick with a claw on the end is what every white man and woman should carry in the Orient, for keeping away the beastly unwashed.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I had a feeling you’d say that just based on the way you talk. You’re in the same category as all those delusional nutcases who justify Japanese and European imperialism, Nazi sympathizers, Holocaust deniers, slavery apologists, etc. The only good thing that came from Japanese imperialism is that they ended the practice of European colonies in Asia. I’m just the opposite of you. I’m an anti-imperialist. All imperialists deserve to either die slow and painful deaths or be crippled for life. This include UK and American troops fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. Every time one of them dies or is crippled for life, justice has been served.

            Guffaw, Guffaw, dear boy.

          • Now now dear boy, nothing wrong with the Emoire it was built on tea. If the rest of the world had drunk their milk tea and eaten their toast, they too could have been imperial powers. Ask Linette she likes the toast and milk tea in HK, and where did that come from young fellow mi lad!

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Wrong dear boy, everything was wrong with the evil empire you speak of. I’m so glad Japan helped end your country’s evil empire in Asia. Imperialism is wrong, no if, ands, or buts. Discuss this further with you, I will not do. Milk tea is gross, I like green tea better.

            You’re a very peculiar fellow, don’t you know. Interesting way of speaking, you have.

          • Glad to hear my term of endearment is catching on, because that is all it really is you know? No malice intended. How did Japan help end it, themselves the most arrogant race on earth, and also an imperial country (Just ask people in China, who do they hate more pal?!). No no you have it all arse backwards, angry young man, Milk Tea is the stuff of empires and their leaders. Been peculiar all my life, does not bother me one jot, English people have always been eccentric. And take a hike yankee!!!!!

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yes I know it’s a term of endearment, that’s how I’m using it towards you too, dear boy. That’s funny, I’ve always thought the British the most arrogant race in the world. Well in summary, Japan took control of European colonies (Singapore, Malaya, HK, etc.) in Asia in 1941-42 and even though they ended up losing the war, the result was an Asia largely free from Western colonialism. After the war, European countries were too decimated to try to reclaim their colonies, although some like France was arrogant enough to try, which led to the Vietnam War. Milk tea gives me the runs, no thanks. I ain’t mad at you bro, you’re too cute for me to be mad at you, you little rascal.

            I LOVE YOU BRO AND I AM JAPANESE!!!

          • No worries, national guo qing holidays my dear boy, THE MILKY BARS are on MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • I love sake, and japanese curry, and well your porn rocks, so I will say I love japanese, hell yes!! And Capcom,god yes, gaming heaven!!!!

          • Probotector

            Unfortunately, Capcom will be bankrupt soon.

          • Alas, yes.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I also like fish and chips, delicious. Well that does it then we both love each other. Time to end this petty bickering among the races. I enjoyed the banter with you sir. Cheerio dear boy, until we speak again (with you probably under a different username of course)

          • Fair enough, although I will keep this Malfeitor handle for now.

          • empire rather, damned keyboard

    • Daniel

      When you get in accident then it suits you right because you eat cows and cows in India are holy. So if you get cancer its good. It´s called KARMA. Its true, ask Indian. IDIOT!!!

      • 5,000 years of uncivilization

        Maybe poppy doesn’t eat cows either. I’m glad to know there are other compassionate people who are also vegetarians here.

        • David

          I think you have deluded yourself into thinking that a dietary choice you made for yourself, somehow makes you superior in some way people with a different dietary choice. there is no moral imperative to being a vegetarian. Meat is yummy and healthy. Men have been eating it since before they were Homo Sapiens.

    • MrT

      the UK is full of dangerous dogs that kill and maim children on a regular basic despite all the laws.
      I tell you something else i have noticed, the dangerous breeds of dogs that the UK have, in China the same dogs are passive and docile, not aggressive, dopey in fact like their Chinese owners.
      Says a lot about UK dog mentality..ownership.
      The scum are allowed to use them as weapons.

    • mr.wiener

      Ummm……I don’t think you prevent rabies by being kind to animals.
      Also what’s with CAPITALIZATION of SOME WORDS….Shit! I’m DOING IT now, I think it’s CONTAGIOUS! Somebody get me the VACCINE.

    • xmarkwe

      Poppy, you should do a bit of research before posting.
      Rabies directly affects the brain of the animal and makes it behave abnormally and unpredictably in the hours/days before it dies.

      Useful knowledge for uneducated animal lovers such as your self: Wild animals which are normally shy will walk straight up to humans, and people have been bitten trying to interact with or by simply getting too close to wild animals.

      So it is very likely he that he had done nothing aggressive towards that dog.

    • Germandude

      The United Kingdom. Heaven for all animals, as we all know. Where the beef burger is growing on trees and where the animal farm truely became reality. Where no people would hurt any animal and where every slice of bacon is labeled as “cut from a happily dead animal”. Or am I talking bullshit right now? Or were you?

    • Monkeekong

      but i love dogs, they’re so delicious. i think i’m gonna go eat one tonight.

    • David

      If you think there is no rabies in the UK you are SERIOUSLY deluded. It is not about treating animals right, your dog can get rabies from a squirrel (number one cause) or bat.

    • Guy Fawkes

      Wow man, from the way you comment, it’s very hard to respect you or your character even if you like dogs as much as I do. Don’t misuse the word “karma” too much as it doesn’t work like that. A rabid animal bit you because you provoked it? So if you got gang-ass-raped it must be because you provoked your rapists?
      When someone died from rabid infection you quickly judged him a dog eater and you feel “HAPPY” about it? What the fuck is wrong with you? If you have a sick fucked up mind please keep it to yourself and not tell everyone here. Your comments had been and will be read by many so be a little mature next time. People from the UK I met are nice so don’t tarnish their reputation in CS.

  • Ray

    I don’t know what is going on in that picture….

    So do Chinese ambulance carry those zookeeper’s noose everywhere they go?

    • Kai

      Probably when the special police (like SWAT) were involved after he stuck a piece of glass to his father.

  • Chinese

    Strange he chose to suck out the “poison blood”, which doesn’t do anything. Again we need more education.

    • ModSux

      He must have gotten the idea from the common practice to suck out venom of a snake bite. I guess it doesn’t work on rabies.

      • moop

        it doesnt work with snake venom either

        • Kai

          It doesn’t? Dammit!

  • ModSux

    Good reason to be eating dogs before they bite.

  • wafflestomp

    Natural selection wins. We all win as these idiots die off.

    Also the dad was clearly on roids.

  • Clark__K

    Foolish bloke. His money saving didn’t save him.

    • hekawila

      Is it about saving money or thinking where my and my family’s next meal will come from?

  • hekawila

    What is wrong with some of you people here. A man deserves to die from rabies because some Chinese people eat dog meat?? What kind of insane logic is that??

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Don’t you know, China bashing is all the rage these days from white people. “Insecure white male syndrome” (IWMS) results in China bashing to make themselves feel better. Those with IWMS are catching up to those with “Insecure asian male syndrome”.

      P.S. I didn’t mean all white people bash China but it’s a significant number of them.

      • hekawila

        never heard of IWMS but it sounds like a posh acronym for being racist.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Believe me, IWMS is more prevalent than you think. The way I look at things, we’re all racist to some degree, it’s ingrained into our social fabric. We all have racial biases and preconceptions whether we admit it or not. The thing with the posters you mentioned, is how blatant they are with their racism while trying to justify it. They’re all self-righteous assholes.

          • hekawila

            Shame there isn’t a ‘like’ button here because I totally agree.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            See that ^ symbol at the bottom of each post? That’s an upvote (if you like the post) and next to it is the downvote (if you dislike the post). You can click on each symbol to upvote of downvote each post.

          • Cauffiel

            Its not all racism, much if not most of what you see here criticizes culture. If I meet a racially Chinese guy who was born and raised in the U.S., Canada, or Europe, I assume he is not obsessed with basketball, Crossfire, and Westlife…. BECAUSE I KNOW RACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LIKING THOSE THINGS.

            While being cheap, impolite, crude, and untrustworthy goes to the discredit of Chinese culture, shouting “racism!!!” from the rooftops at every last goddamn turn is a huge discredit to Western culture.

            Those things don’t have a damn thing to do with race, and neither does much of the criticism you see on Chinasmack. But it sure is convenient to say so. Talk about self-righteousness!!!

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Whoa, you’re reading way too much into my post. I never said every criticism about China is racist, and I realize people can play the race card when it has nothing to do with race. I realize that culture and race are definitely intertwined. They aren’t the same but they are related. I can see how you might think someone is criticizing culture while someone else might think it’s racism. A lot is in the eye of the beholder. I’m not shouting “racism” at every little thing but to me there’s an underlying current of racism in much of what is posted on CSmack. You might say some criticism is due to cultural differences while others might see racism. Racism is hard to quantify and it’s hard to be sure something is racist or there’s something else at play.

            If a white person tortured and ate a dog, will other white people say “look all white people kill and torture dogs so they deserve to die of rabies”? I don’t think so. But if a few Chinese also kill and torture a dog, you’d get the same white (or other non-Chinese) people saying things like “yeah he deserved to die of rabies since all Chinese kill dogs, good for him, karma struck him”. That’s why I took issue with poppy and uncle tom’s posts.

            Are my views worse than “poppy” and “uncle tom” posters? You agree with them more than me?

          • Cauffiel

            Culture and race are correlated with each other only because of history; they are not inherently intertwined. A person’s race does not impact their ability to be enculturated in any culture, i.e. I am not better able to be American from birth than someone of any other race, or if I were born in China I could, without the slightest hinderance, become just as stupid as someone who refuses a rabies shot.

            I think even at cS, most posters only get on to Chinese about things that are disgusting AND acceptable (referring to your example of killing dogs; very unlikely you would be stopped in China doing this in public, so this gets a lot of criticism… someone in a crowd in America would beat the shit out of you, so less worthy of criticism). There are disgusting things in China that most Chinese do not approve of, and that is reflected in the comments translated by the cS staff.

            Perhaps those do garner a lot of insults on cS anyway, but that’s the nature of the beast. Really, I think cS is a place for people to harmlessly bitch about China so they don’t have to say it to Chinese people’s faces. That’s why so much shit gets off topic here.

          • Kai

            But the problem is, people ARE saying it to Chinese people’s faces so it ISN’T harmless bitching. You’re forgetting that there are a LOT of at least ethnic Chinese people on cS.

            I think KAMIKAZIPILOT was being needlessly inflammatory pinning it on “white males” because that’s ultimately an example of reverse racism, the same generalization on some aspect of identity instead of the action, behavior, or expression itself which is what really should be objected to.

            That said, comments like “being cheap, impolite, crude, and untrustworthy goes to the discredit of Chinese culture” don’t sit well with me either. How is this part of Chinese culture? I know “culture” is a really malleable word and often people do somewhat know what you’re referring to but there’s always the uneasiness of how easily that gets seen as an “unfair” generalization of the whole. I could say American culture is one of violence and religious dogmatism and there will be people who agree thinking of gun crimes and the influence of the religious right, but there will also be a lot of people who will take exception to that. So comments like the above encounter the same uneasiness.

            This is something that always befalls communicating online with an unknown audience. It’s something I struggle with myself. People don’t necessarily have in mind the same things we do when we say something. It sucks to have to tip toe but that’s always been the case. Humans have always known the propriety of behaving differently with different audiences. So I hope people can keep that in mind on cS too. There are a lot of people who may be of like mind with you, but there are also a lot of people who aren’t. I think it’ll be nicer for everyone if everyone tried to be mindful of that.

            There are examples of inexcusable racism on cS just as there are examples of people crying racism for what could arguably isn’t. I think each instance should be judged and argued individually. The root of the problem is still the generalization of behavior and characteristics with some generalized identity. Is, for example, someone being crude and impolite more closely related to “Chinese” culture or the culture of “poverty” or “poor education and upbringing”? If it is more closely related to the latter, then why do we opt to use the former?

          • Cauffiel

            The Chinese here choose to be here. Its not the same as rubbing it in their faces at work or on the street corner or in class.

            I stand by my assertion that Chinese can be generalized as cheap, impolite, crude, and untrustworthy. In fact, I believe those are the things about Chinese culture that inspire the constant bickering and biting criticism you see here.

            American culture is full of violence and religious dogmatism. I wouldn’t ask you to step away from such statements.

            “People may not have the same things in mind….” So give and ask for examples.

            I think it is Chinese culture, the general sense of what is and is not appropriate to do in public. I don’t think education or social class can be used as a predictor for crude behavior. I see just as many people hawking globs of mucous at the Mix C as I do at the underground mall.

          • Kai

            Er, doesn’t EVERYONE “choose” to be here on cS?

            I understand there are differences between saying something to a person in real life and posting something on the internet. You also understand that this is an open community that includes Chinese readers and commenters. In real life, you’d be mindful of your speech if there was a Chinese person in a discussion even if you weren’t directing comments at them. You’d be mindful if there weren’t even in the discussion by within overhearing range. So be mindful of your speech when you know that this website IS a discussion where Chinese people are involved AND within overhearing range.

            You want to freely talk shit about Chinese people without regard for their sensitivities with like-minded individuals? Go ahead and set up that sort of group on your own website or whatever. But this isn’t a place like that and you know that.

            I’m disappointed you stand by your assertion. I can’t deprive you of your opinion but I can disagree with it. It’s intellectually lazy and reflects poorly on your character. You are, on that level, no different from @KAMIKAZIPILOT:disqus if he wants to stand by his assertion about insecurity and self-righteousness.

            You may not take issue with negative generalizations of violence and religious dogmatism aimed at America but you’re not ignorant of the fact that many would and do, especially in the context of certain discussions. My point wasn’t what you think about those generalizations but about your awareness of how negative generalizations so easily engender resistence and pushback. When you are aware of it, you have both intellectual and moral culpability for indulging in it.

            Regarding your last paragraph, I don’t find your argument compelling. What people think is appropriate to do in public is more directly related to how they were educated and the norms of their social class than something even more vague like “culture”. How do you define “culture”? How do you reconcile one aspect of Chinese “culture” like taking off your shoes when entering another person’s home or the generosity when hosting and treating guests with the “culture” of spitting in public spaces or fleecing the ignorant in commercial transactions? Why does one or the other get to be generalized onto “Chinese culture” as a whole? How is, for example, the lack of queuing in China that different and due to “Chinese culture” when you have the same phenomenon in other countries, countries who often have the same socio-economic circumstances or socio-political histories? China and Chinese people hardly have a monopoly on prevalance of what we consider crude behavior, so why are we so motivated to label it “Chinese”?

            The only explanation is because we want to point fingers and elevate or put down identities. When we do that, there’s very little indication of an honest intellectual interest in understanding the actual causes for such phenomena. We only want to disassociate bad with “them” and good with “us”. It’s intellectually lazy. There’s very little, if any, true justification for this.

            But like Kamikaze said, it’s a very human thing to do, so it’s not understandable. It is still however pretty indefensible.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            My main point is that certain posters on CSmack always have the same argument when it comes to China and their treatment of animals, especially dogs. It’s ridiculous. They always inherently place a higher value on the life of a dog than say, other animals (ex. cows, pigs). Then they generalize all of Chinese people when commenting on stories such as this. Just look at what poppy and Uncle Tom posters are saying in this story. You can call it racism or cultural differences but it still isn’t right to think like that. I have no problem with eating any kind of animal as long as they’re not endangered and they are killed in a humane way as possible. I don’t approve of what some chinese do, such as torturing animals to death, but I also don’t generalize the entire chinese population as being animal abusers who all deserve to die from rabies when bitten by a dog.

            My post about insecure white males wasn’t a dig at anyone in particular and it’s not only white who generalize like this (just look at the Japancrush comments) People all around the world generalize those different than them. It’s much easier to come up with generalizations when you know little about something (which is what I think you’re saying in the last part of your post).

          • Then they generalize all of Chinese people when commenting on stories such as this

            Where? And what about the racism in return?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            What do you mean “where”? Look at the comments on this story regarding the guy who died and how he deserved it because all Chinese people supposedly torture and kill dogs. The return racism is just as bad, but right now I’m addressing the comments such as those made by “poppy” and “uncle tom”

          • Well the death of one human compared to the lives of one thousand dogs, is definitely expendable. Animals deserve rights, just like humans, even if it means the death of humans.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yeah, I’m sure you’ll say the same thing when it’s your life or a loved ones life that’s being ended in exchange for a animal’s life.

          • I would actually. Again, even the families of vivisectionists and researchers are legitimate targets, even supermarkets that sell meat imho.

          • Kai

            Yeah, I understand what type of comments/commenters you had in mind. It’s just the way you generalized them with a certain identity and the way you went about criticizing them opened yourself up to the same criticism. You could’ve avoided that and thus made your position or commentary stronger.

            I don’t think Cauffiel was defending Uncle Tom or poppy. He’s just attacking you for the above because you opened yourself to that attack.

            Because your comment about “insecure white males” wasn’t a dig at “anyone in particular”, it became a dig at all “white males”. Uncle Tom and poppy can also say they weren’t taking a dig at “anyone in particular”, right? And if you know it’s not only white people who generalize like this, the easy retort is: “then why did you specify white people?” You’d be in a better position if you actually were taking a dig at someone in particular, such as Uncle Tom or poppy, or “people like them” without specifying race or even gender.

            So I hope you can see how you criticized a generalization with another one, and that’s why you’re getting criticized for generalizing as well.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I see your point, replying to a generalization with another generalization doesn’t really put me in a better position. I just thought my post wasn’t as extreme as the other posts that celebrated the death of this man due to the treatment of animals by some Chinese people. I mean, I know there’s some truth to my post and I did put a disclaimer at the end stating that not all whites are like that. I don’t think you can justify poppy or Uncle Tom’s way of thinking at all though. I guess I shouldn’t have specified a race and just stated that insecure non-Chinese people like to criticize anything about china to make themselves feel better. One of the reason I used white is that they do seem to be the dominant non-Chinese group posting on CSmack.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I don’t believe in “reverse racism”. Racism is racism, no matter who it’s directed at. But then again I probably had a different experience than you growing up. Going to school the white kids were probably more subject to racism than anyone else.

          • Kai

            Heh, “reverse racism” IS racism. The term just refers to the idea of the racist and target of racism being reversed from what is expected. What you described about white kids being more subject to racism is what the term “reverse racism” often refers to.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yeah, I totally understand how it’s used and what you meant by it, but I just don’t like the term myself, even though a lot of people use it. So if you lived in a place where whites were the minority and subject to racism the most, would racism against whites still be considered “reverse racism” even though it’s the norm in that part of the world? What can I say, I just don’t feel the need to differentiate racism between regular racism and reverse racism. All people can be racist, and to an extent we are all racist due to society’s influence. We all have biases. We have preconceptions and judge people on everything from race, dress, weight, height, occupation, etc. All this before even getting to know someone. It’s really hard to be totally colorblind, we just have to be conscious of the biases we have and try to overcome them.

          • Strangerland

            I agree with you man. I want to give you an example of IWMS: a white guy whose grandparents came to USA several decades ago bashed a chinese friend of mine; “go back to your country!” In angry text message. Unknown to him, this guy’s family had been Americans decades loger than his- since he is the fifth or sixt generation Chinese-American. While the european guy is the second american-borned white. Now tell me, is this ironic or what?

          • mr.wiener

            If you are talking about poopy and uncle tom, don’t lump me in with them. I’ll be over here where the crazy ain’t.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yeah, I’m mainly talking about those two idiots. Of course I don’t lump you in with them, I’d never do that. I don’t agree with all you say but I respect your opinion.

      • mr.wiener

        I think you’ll find there are more than enough Insecure males of every race around *sigh*, it’s what makes us all equal.

        • KAMIKAZIPILOT

          Totally agree, that’s why I also mentioned insecure Asian males. Also forgot to mention insecure people of all other races and females too.

      • MrT

        I bash any one who I feel needs bashing.I know no borders! Im a free man, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

        • mr.wiener

          No more vicks vapor rub for you or it will be tears before bedtime.

          • MrT

            vicks vapor rub always brings tears to my eyes!

        • linette lee

          If you don’t behave I will rub the vicks vapor rub on your eyes. You’ll be like…MY eyes…My eyes… ;)

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    • Circle jerkers

      Chinasmack is just a huge circle jerk for insecure white men. They get together here, start stroking each others penises while telling each other racist things and bashing china, and then cum on each others faces. It’s pretty funny.

  • JesusFuckingChrist

    The key point was that the father REJECTED the vaccination.

    • biggj

      I know right. I don’t feel bad for this guy at all. His own greed got the best of him. Fuck him.

      • Kai

        Dang dude, harsh. I’m more inclined to be sympathetic, that it wasn’t greed but rather a calculated though still foolish risk.

        • biggj

          It’s not like he never knew what would happen. It all boiled down to money in his mind. He never wanted to pay for the treatment. That it. It’s not like a million dollar procedure. I can’t feel bad for people like that. He pretty much committed suicide. I guess it can be somewhat expensive….but still…he took a gamble and lost…that’s his fault.

          • Kai

            When you’re poor, yeah, sometimes it does boil down to money, because that money impacts the quality of life not just for yourself but for your family. So I’m inclined to think he thought the risk was so incredibly small that he’d rather not blow any money he has left or go into debt borrowing it. He calculated wrong, he didn’t choose “better safe than sorry” and that’s on him of course, but it’s reaching to say he “committed suicide”. I don’t feel bad for his bad decision but I can understand what he weighed in his mind so what I feel bad is that he had to weigh those things, that his poverty put him in that position. Again, I think you’re being too harsh and part of it is because you may not really understand the hard choices people in his position sometimes have to make.

  • ptptp

    Seems to be a recent trend that articles have a lot of sucking going on. Not that I’m complaining….

  • narsfweasels

    Stupidity, pure stupidity – concerns about the short-term vaccine cost has left your family with the loss of its breadwinner.

    • It was a choice between the vaccine and his family eating. Read the article.

      • narsfweasels

        That’s good, and now they won’t eat for months.

  • Cauffiel

    All of you are saying this guy is stupid, but do you have any idea what they learn about taking care of your health in Chinese schools? Hardly anything. What they learn is “save your money, save your money, save your money.”

  • Wrong

    The owner of this site should just rename it to smackchina. Since, every news article is either mostly full of china bashers or some sick inhumane lowlifes who are into Schadenfreude. Seems like some of you just hate Chinese people so much that you’re happy whenever bad stuff happen to them. Cause I’m reading the koreabang website too and it’s not so full of these disgusting negative comments as this site.

    • mr.wiener

      Well I thought the televised blowjob in the cafeteria was a nice palate cleanser.
      Nice to hear the Koreabang folk are doing such a good job. I’ll be sure to pop over and congratulate Chucky, Brett and co.
      Nice use of the word “Schadenfreude”. Always hard to work that one into a conversation.

      .

    • Cauffiel

      There’s something about news in China that brings the worst out of people. Also the Chinese political system.

  • JustSomeDude

    I thought China had universal healthcare? Don’t all Communist/Socialist countries provide essential services to citizens for free?

  • Timeless Love

    Chinasmack posters… seems to be very narrow minded.. both sides.

  • 海綿寶寶

    father saw too many old wuxia movies and novels, sucking out blood to stop poison.

  • Wololoo

    Don’t they have education about those diseases? I mean, I got the education in Germany and we don’t even have the rabies in our country anymore.

    As soon as the virus reaches the brain, it can’t be healed and leads to an inevitable death. If you are bitten in the leg, you have a lot more time, since the virus travels through the nerve system with a speed of about 3mm/h.

    • hekawila

      You learn all this in school in Germany! My UK education pales in comparison!

  • Crimsonarmor

    Pet owners need to make sure their dogs get yearly shots. Additionally people throwing their dogs out onto the street because they don’t want them anymore are just heartless. They should be punished for their cruelty, hence reducing the number of stray dogs. Obviously homeless pets would end up with all kinds of diseases because of the lack of love and responsibility from their owners. So before people start blaming and hating the dog maybe you should question how it became a stray in the first place. Typical of young people especially students in university who buy a dog real cheap then realize that it actually needs taking care of and not just cute to look at so they later end up throwing it out on the street because it interrupts their social life. Hope people like this are punished in life with all the back luck in the world.

  • Washington Bullets

    Omfg zombie apocalypse. So excite!

  • This is the under-appreciated role of the Father. Survival of the clan under the worst conditions when he is needed the most. My Father was like that, a seemingly remote figure but when push came to shove, he was there and then some.

  • Karze

    He just need to clean the wound with soap and take immediately to hospital is the right way. He unknowingly got himself infected with the rabies virus by sucking the wound.

  • Mai Mai

    This terrible disease could be wiped out in one generation by vaccinating animals that have contact with humans. China now has the ability to do this.

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  • Karze

    Its a desperate blind love.

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