Good Samaritan Again Blamed After Helping Fallen Elderly

Ms. Wang at the bus stop where the elderly person had fallen, describing to this reporter what happened at the time.

Ms. Wang at the bus stop where the elderly person had fallen, describing to this reporter what happened at the time.

The following was the second most popular microblog post on China’s leading microblogging platform Sina Weibo yesterday, with over 40k comments at time of translation…

From Sina Weibo:

@人民日报 [The People’s Daily]: “Helping the Elderly” Once Again Suffers Being Sued for Compensation, Fortunately There Was Surveillance Footage… She helped up an elderly person who had fallen and had advanced 200 yuan in medical expenses but Ms. Wang didn’t hear any thanks and instead was demanded to compensate [the elderly person] 40,000 yuan in medical expenses. She maintained that she had helped out of kindness, but the elderly person instead insisted she was the person responsible for the accident. “If it wasn’t you who knocked me down, why would you have helped take me to the hospital?” Fortunately, surveillance footage restored the truth, with the elderly person and family repeatedly apologizing… http://t.cn/zQdya1Z Don’t let kindness once again cause harm!

The above link leads to this article…

From Liaoning News:

“If It Wasn’t You Who Knocked Me Down, Why Would You Have Helped Take Me to the Hospital?”

She helped up an elderly person who had fallen and helped cover 200 yuan in medical expenses but Ms. Wang didn’t hear a single thanks and instead was demanded to compensate [the elderly person] 40,000 yuan in medical expenses.

She maintained that she had helped out of kindness, but the elderly person instead insisted she was the offender. Surveillance footage on the public bus restored the truth. Lawyer Zhang Wenxin pointed out that the wronged kind-hearted woman could sue the elderly person, under the right to restore her good name.

She helped the fallen elderly person up and paid for the medicine

At around 8am on the morning of July 28th, Wang Lan boarded the Route 23 public bus to her work at the Panjin Liaohe oil fields. That day, there were quite a lot of people on board, and when they arrived at the Drill Marketplace stop, many passengers were by the bus door preparing to get off. Ms. Wang Lan told this reporter that while getting off, she saw someone ahead who had fallen down and instinctively extended a hand to help up the elderly person, with another kind-hearted person at the time helping support the elderly person to the steps of the bus stop to sit down.

Yesterday afternoon, this Beiguo Net and Liaoning Evening News reporter met Ms. Wang. She says she’s normally a kind-hearted person, had seen the elderly person crying out in pain, guessed that the injuries weren’t light, and had immediately asked for the telephone number of the elderly person’s family. After the elderly person’s relative heard that the elderly person had fallen down, they immediately rushed over, and Ms. Wang accompanied them in taking the elderly person to the hospital. Owing to having rushed out the house, the elderly person’s relatives did not have any cash on them, so Ms. Wang even paid 200 RMB for the medicine expenses.

Accused of being the person responsible for the accident as she prepared to leave

Breathing a sigh of relief thinking she had helped [the elderly person] out of danger, Ms. Wang was then shocked by something the other party said, “When I was getting off the bus, she was the one closest to me.” The old lady identified Ms. Wang as having knocked into her while getting off the bus and that is what made her twist her foot/ankle.”

“If it wasn’t you who bumped into me, why would you have helped take me to the hospital? Don’t you leave.” The elderly person’s relatives stopped Ms. Wang as she prepared to leave.

“Ma’am, don’t [make false accusations], it wasn’t me who bumped into you, I saw you already on the ground when I got off the bus.” Because she could not find a witness there, Ms. Wang was completely flustered and immediately cried that she was wronged.

So had she helped out of kindness or was she taking the responsibility she owed for bumping someone? Both sides stuck to their version of the event until ultimately, with no other choice, both parties found themselves at the Panjin city Xinglongtai district Judicial Bureau Xinglong Judicial Office. At the judicial office, the old lady claimed she has already spent 40,000 yuan for her hospital stay and medical care and wanted Ms. Wang to compensate the entire medical expense.

Surveillance video on public bus restores the truth

Just as both parties were arguing in the judicial office, Ms. Wang suddenly remembered that there were surveillance cameras on the public bus.

Through negotiation, the surveillance footage was obtained, and only then was the the situation at the time made clear — The surveillance footage showed that the elderly person had fallen on her own, and Ms. Wang had no physical contact whatsoever with the elderly person prior to the latter falling down.

After the facts of the matter were determined, the elderly person and her relatives repeatedly apologized, saying they had wrongly blamed a good person, and repaid the 200 yuan medicine expense that Ms. Wang had previously paid. Surveillance footage showing the facts resolved the dispute.

Ms. Wang expressed that this incident made her rather sad, to have done good without recognition, but will still extend a hand in help if she should encounter similar situations in the future, because after all, reasonable people are still the majority in this society.

Well-known lawyer Zhang Wenxin pointed out that the wronged kind-hearted woman could sue the elderly person, under the right to restore her good name, and that normally in these kind of cases, as long as there is a witness, the person wronged will usually be compensated.

Interview

Will still extend a hand in help when encountering someone who needs help

Originally helping out of kindness only to narrowly escape being wronged as the “offender/person responsible”. So then, what does Wang Lan think now? If she were to encounter a situation like this in the future, will she still extend a hand in help? Yesterday, this reporter interviewed Ms. Wang Lan.

Reporter: At the time, no one else dared to go help the elderly person up, so why did you still go?

Wang Lan: This is simply the most basic sense of duty and kindness that comes with being a person. At the time, I just wanted to help and didn’t consider anything else. What more, I had previously experienced something where afterward as long as I encountered someone who need help, I would always extend a hand in help.

Reporter: How did you feel about being wrongly accused?

Wang Lan: When I was wrongly accused, I felt terrible, couldn’t sleep, couldn’t eat.

Reporter: What will you do if you encounter this kind of thing again?

Wang Lan: The miserable moaning of the elderly person when she fell is still in my mind to this day so I will still go forward to help the elderly person. “The straight body does not fear the shadow being crooked” [a good person won’t have a guilty conscience], everyone will become old one day/ I think the elderly have their own difficulties, and things [the truth/facts] will ultimately be made clear.

Comments from Sina Weibo:

老卢Berserker:

So just apologizing is enough?

鸿辉_Ng:

This is simply how society is.

小名游蛋:

This kind of elderly person…

苦瓜大师啊啊啊:

The apology is so fake.

随风不思议:

What use is the apology? It should be possible to sue for this kind of thing, right? Total slander!

怕瓦落地归来:

This elderly person sure is shameless!

燃烧贝蒂:

Sue them for slander!

一杯白白白开水:

Sue them! People like this absolutely must know the consequences of slander.

罗锅洋毅范:

I propose that city governments install and use more surveillance cameras…

舊報紙lin:

Fuck, this kind of thing should be sentenced [to prison], slander plus extortion.

Bigpawpaw:

There needs to be a penalty/punishment measure [for this kind of wrongful accusation].

BUCHANA:

Apologizes after being seen through, thinking next time use a place without surveillance cameras.

盖丫头:

If I were to run into [something like this], I’d first turn on my sound recorder.

汤小小小鑫很小:

Sigh, what if there wasn’t surveillance footage, then what?

Ignorant_YYM:

Never going to help support those fucking elderly ever again.

我不取名字了烦:

Next time take note, before being a good person, first look to see if there are surveillance cameras nearby.

逸云楚风:

I support a lawsuit, because if a case isn’t made of this, there will be even more people like this in the future. Sue them and demand that the elderly publish an apology in the newspapers.

那么一天我在:

Fuck, this kind of thing has happened in Shijiazhuang before too. This kind of person should be punished. It is these fuckers who have destroyed social morality.

老了还在装嫩:

This kind of false accusations will not stop if there isn’t a kind of punishment.

浅唱Freedom:

Is there no legal liability for extortion and blackmail?

Alath:

Apologize your mother’s cunt, the entire family is low.

Queen_cwj:

Apologizing is already useless, there should be relevant measures… otherwise, there will be fewer and fewer good people.

甘草-陈皮:

This kind of person’s apology is about the same as a fart.

王泓植:

I think with this kind of thing, an apology isn’t enough. When it comes to things that have no cost or consequence, anyone will dare to continue doing it.

LYP咯:

There is one less person in the already small number of good people in this world… sigh…

叫我梅哥:

What wrongly blamed?! It was deliberate!

彼堓荼靡:

It really does make one feel helpless when encountering unreasonable people who don’t distinguish between right and wrong.

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  • Astaroth

    Getting tired of reading about good people getting screwed over, sort this out with real laws, FFS!!!!

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Sue their ass for slander. The thing that enrages me the most if a person backstabbing a person that is legitimately trying to do a good/right thing

      • mr.wiener

        There does seem to be a culture of this in China . and one that Chinese are genuinely concerned and ashamed about. I’d sue the fuckers just to burn an opposite of the “Nanjing ruling” into people’s heads.

        • the ace of books

          I do agree there needs to be some sort of “no, this is not something you can get away with” example, because it’s bullshit that just gives not-particularly-good people a handy excuse to not be particularly good. What you said about “concerned and ashamed about” — they are, and vow they’ll change it, but it keeps happening. That is precisely why there needs to be legal, upheld, and well-known precedent of why it should not be allowed, and why it’s wrong for people to even try it.

    • Kevin Yu

      They have laws against this I guess. It is just I guess the police/court will rather believe in the old women because of “the old are always right” than in the young one who tried to help…

      It is just shameless. How can you even do such shit ike that, if you are being helped…

    • I know truth

      No good people have been screwed here. Chinaman has been screwed here. Just chill – – –

  • lonetrey / Dan

    First thought in my mind: “Oh hell no, not again.”

    “Well-known lawyer Zhang Wenxin pointed out that the wronged kind-hearted woman could sue the elderly person, under the right to restore her good name.”

    I say “Do it. Make an example, and there will be no more of this bullshit.”
    An apology is not enough from the elderly and family.

    • narsfweasels

      Absolutely agree. They were essentially attempting to extort this woman, so they should be taken for the same amount they were trying to steal from her.

    • Astaroth

      For once, I agree. Sue her and stop bs like this from becoming their norm, call them out on their crappy behaviour and make them lose “Face” and money.

    • Mighty曹

      Hell yah! And be prepared for more to come.

    • anon101

      Too damn right, why is it all the old chinese seem to do this?
      She had no contact and fell on her own, but because of face she had to say she was pushed… time to throw face in the bin and pick a decent way to live that wont hold them back (mind you, its hatred between china and japan (if allied it would be hell for the rest of the world) and their face this stops them getting too powerful, so we should be glad about that)

    • Markoff

      yeah just sue family at least for 40k, it’s just bunch of cheaters anyway, i would like to see what hospital will charge some old woman’s injury 40k
      false accusation is not illegal in China?

      in western countries the party who lose the trial must pay for defendant lawyer, if this works same in China the innocent should hire superexpensive lawyer so whole family have to pay for rest of the life for scams theya re trying

      I am pretty sure after victory like this it would demotivate future scammers to risking to pay like 20-40k for false accusation.

    • Astaroth

      Agreed, make them pay!!!!

    • Kai

      If the laws on slander in China are anything similar to the laws in, for example, the US, Ms. Wang would have to prove actual damages.

      That might be really hard. Emotional distress is hard to quantify as well, as is proving that the old lady was maliciously trying to con money out of her versus being legitimately mistaken.

      Then there are the legal fees of hiring a lawyer or finding a lawyer to prosecute such a civil case. What if there’s very little practical possibility of getting any actual financial compensation from the old woman and her family? Do they even have any real money to make the effort worthwhile for Ms. Wang or any lawyer she retains? There are some pro bono lawyers or legal organizations in China but how likely will they take this case assuming it is as clear as this news report makes it sound?

      I bring this up just for consideration. Maybe someone might know something more about how the law and system in China works in this case, and can offer an idea of how realistic such an idea is. Beyond that, I otherwise totally empathize with the idea of setting a precedent to discourage this kind of malicious behavior.

    • WoRPt

      Maybe I’m too pessimistic, but I really don’t think it’s going to make a difference.

    • Man it’s really scary when you realize there have never been so many old people in the history of mankind as there are now. Even worse, this world is dictated by their rules. Long life natural process. Down with medical care.

  • Jeff

    Reminds me why I just walk on by when Chinese need help

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Personally, I rather err on the side of caution… I might be tricked like this one day :/

    • Mighty曹

      And don’t even look back. Keep walking.

    • Paul Schoe

      I feel very sorry to read this comment. So because we live in China, we also have to live according to the same moral system as the Chinese do?
      We didn’t suffer through the cultural revolution. We don’t have that excuse that interference with others might bring us and our family at risk to the level of humuliation, losing income or even deportation.

      What about our own standards?
      That we help the needy around us.
      We have to leave that behind when we step of the plane and touch Chinese ground?
      A real pity that would be.

      • donscarletti

        Just because most expats don’t live by the Chinese moral system doesn’t mean they live by the western one either.

        Moral systems tend to interfere with getting hammered every weekend and banging different girls every week.

        However, at least we empty our tray into the bin at McDonalds and don’t spit on the floor.

        • Paul Schoe

          Yes, Scarletti, you are right. For several of us, China is far from home where different rules apply. It is not only the Wild West for business, but for many it also offers opportunities that they couldn’t even dream of at home.
          I am in demand, nobody is looking, morals are for at home, let’s release the reins“.

          But, as you say; “we empty our tray into the bin at McDonalds“. An action that enables us to continue to feel superior.

      • Jeff

        It is in a person’s own best interest to protect themselves. Living in China a foreigner already has the deck stacked against them as the locals and government hold all the cards.

        What sane person would want to expose themselves to a system where they could never win – even when they are not at fault?

        Sorry people of China – I will never help you.

        • Paul Schoe

          Unfortunately you are right that the deck is stacked against a foreigner when he gets into any dispute with a Chinese.

          Maybe helping others here is only for the insane among us, or maybe it is for those who still naively believe, against local experience, in the good of mankind.

  • Mighty曹

    I now realize I have a misconstrued view of an elderly as a symbol of trust and respect.

    * I hope the good samaritan sues the damn old fart.

    • GermanExpat

      Maybe I can help restore your view:

      I know, if the story is right then the old lady is wrong, but maybe, just maybe … she had no job, no money, and all medical expenses would have to be paid by her family. If it would be my mother in law in this situation, she would rather die than asking anyone for money. Or lie and make up some story to have someone else pay for it. I mean, does anyone want to send their bills to their children? I certainly don’t.

      • Dick Leigh

        So? The old woman should’ve killed herself then, rather than think “oh, if my family can’t pay for it I’ll just make someone else’s family suffer the way I don’t my family to!”.

        • Mighty曹

          If she pulled that scam I doubt she’d be diligent enough to kill herself. The victim whom she had wronged should have the right to kill her.

          • Astaroth

            Is anyone going to add the floating officials to this one. lol

          • Mighty曹

            If you want. There’ll be one. You take the flak.

          • Astaroth

            fair enough dude!

          • Mighty曹

            Official scolds Ms.Wang for being a good samaritan.

          • linette lee

            These three fat chinese officials will track you and biggj down and start charging you for unauthorized use of their photos. They will ask you for big red envelopes. lol

          • Astaroth

            Hahaha, are you using gimp, that is great!

          • Mighty曹

            No. I still haven’t downloaded Gimp as recommended by someone here.

          • Adramalech

            Fair enough. It is free though.

          • 二奶头发

            if you moved the guy lower and to the right you could of had her finger on his wang

          • Mighty曹

            Hahaha… the official will really enjoy that.

      • Mighty曹

        Biting the hand that feeds isn’t the best option.

    • donscarletti

      I often find China being an interesting place in that young Chinese are so polite, so hard working, cultured and altruistic whereas older Chinese are more often selfish, lazy, vulgar and stupid. This stands in contrast to the west where it is usually the opposite that is the case.

      I could speculate all day about why this is, but I don’t have the time. Point is, hire young guys over old guys every time.

      • Stu

        The most obvious reason would simply be the different environments they have lived in. Old people in China have seen some shit- civil war, poverty to the point of starvation, political campaign after political campaign including the incredibly divisive cultural revolution in which the good guys you were cheering yesterday are now the worst possible villains… it’s not hard to imagine people deciding based on that that their own and their family’s interests are absolutely paramount, and that working for or helping others is for chumps.

        The young people, on the other hand… well, China today might still look like a Darwinian struggle for survival, but there’s a whole lot less starvation and random political violence going around. There’s a good line in the Confucian classics about it: something like ‘first feed the people, and then expect them to learn morality’.

      • mr.wiener

        Would this be the case for most post communist societies?

        • the ace of books

          I do gotta say, the longer I live here, the more I see comparability with Eastern Europe, especially with the corruption and money-focus. I do think the unwillingness-to-help-others is another post-communist symptom, though exacerbated in China due to its lack of legal coverage for Good Samaritans.)

          I would argue, however, that money’s always been a huge focus in Chinese society, and that’s a thing that’s not going away. After all, if it did, you’d be getting rid not only of the bossman’s favor hongbaos, but also of the pay-raise hongbaos, and also the New Year hongbaos. Money, in China, is striven for directly, instead of those things it signifies.

          The other comparison I see with Eastern Europe is the growing gap between younger and older generations – during-regime and post-regime, as it were. The post-‘s ideologies are so radically different from, and often in direct opposition to, the during-‘s that the two groups get to blaming each other for All That’s Wrong With Society Today.

          ~it’s the circle of liii~iiife, it moves us aaa~aalll~~

          • manujoro

            Just out of curiosity: what kind of experience in Eastern Europe do you have to make your comparisons? Have you lived there? Were you born there? Traveled?

          • the ace of books

            I’m half-blood Hungarian; up til I came to live in China, my family went over every year for at least a month; 90% of my family is there. (Hell, you could say my family is 90% of the population. I have hundreds of family.) Speak the language, traveled the surroundings, follow the politics, the lot.

          • manujoro

            Fair enough. Still, as much as I agree with the corruption part, I totally disagree on the money-focus and the unwilligness-to-help others comparison. As you said it yourself: Focus on money has always been a part of Chinese culture and life.

        • Stu

          It could be a particular feature of them, I guess–the political campaigns are quite distinctive, and there must be some impact to seeing the dream you were told you were striving for almost completely forgotten–but really I’d expect something similar anywhere that has been through times so hard that survival becomes an issue. People often like to believe that hardship brings out the best in people, but I wouldn’t claim that as a general rule…

        • maja

          I suspect money grabbing to be a common trait of anyone who’s not used to deal with financial problems… especially inflation and privatization of public services.

      • Mighty曹

        Not to speculate but a general theory. The generation that lived and grew up during the Mao era (or even Deng Xiaoping) were lazy and not motivated to work hard (mark of communism). All the hard work has nothing to show for. For the younger generation under reforms and the start of free-market ordinary citizens begin to be able to earn more.

        This has also created some of the most money-hungry monsters.

        • the ace of books

          were lazy and not motivated to work hard (mark of communism)

          About this: no, it’s not laziness. It’s the fact that, no matter how hard or little you work, everyone reaps the same rewards – so enthusiastics and motivated folk burn out after a few months or years and get depressed because why bother, while the genuinely unwilling or interested in working get their flat rate and are discontent because man, work again, and it’s all boring and the same shit everyday.

          Basically it’s a compromise: everybody ends up unhappy.

          • loki

            you should read “Atlas Shrugged”

          • the ace of books

            Oh geezus, that horsechoker? Ayn Rand’s stuff is a pile of strawman self-congratulatory droning written in wank-colored ink, over far too many pages, resulting in an unrealistic, impossible brick that has no logical connection to real life.

          • Mighty曹

            Exactly. No motivation to work harder. That leads to laziness.

      • Astaroth

        I’m not really sure there is much of a difference. An american guy I knew hired a young guy from Macau to work at his cafe, and what did said poor when hired young guy do? Get some money from somewhere, and open his own cafe, replete with the same menu. Communication and social norms are arse/ass backwards in Asia, and don’t flow or are not appreciated the same as in other more civilized parts.

      • willie miller

        To be honest when it comes down to money I have found all age groups in China to be equally ruthless.

      • Germandude

        That is totally subjective and might depend on the industry you are working in. In IT, I’d say hire the young guys cause they have the knowledge. Same for engineering. In many other industries, people 40+ years old are better because they have networks or know that they need to work hard. Unlike the spoiled young generations that are lazy and tell you about “If you give me a salary increase, I can work even harder”. Actually they should first start to work to justify their current salaries…

        All I am trying to say is: Your point of always hiring the young guys is certainly not valid a general solution. Except for certain industries.

        • Mighty曹

          IT and all hi-tech segment as the old generation didn’t even grow up watching a B&W TV.

    • linette lee

      Older chinese people from China are the worst. Don’t trust them. The younger chinese in China are better today. They are starting to express their opinions. It is largely due to their exposure to the internet and not due to China public school education.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        “Older chinese people from China are the worst.” Great, you have just angered a few hundred million people.

        • linette lee

          Are you a real life lego ninja?

      • Mighty曹

        I think the generation that grew up under hardcore Communism are the really bad ones now.

        • linette lee

          They are the hardcore communists like in their late 50s. The young generation chinese I hope they value more on humanity and creativity. And don’t rely on the China gov’t to teach them that. They will have to seek knowledge and learn on their own. Maybe on internet and through traveling.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        Actually I find it harder to trust younger women from Hong Kong. They act nice in front of everyone but I never know what’s going on in their loony heads.

        • linette lee

          hahah….lol…..You wanna die? I know many ways to torture you.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Sounds exciting. I look forward to you torturing me. You can start by tying my down to a bed.

          • linette lee

            hahaha.lol YOu like that huh? You want candles and whip too? You crazy. lol.

          • ludicrous

            :-) This HAS to be said, I find that young ladies from Hong Kong are just that-Ladies. And yes, they do not prostrate before us westerners. And why should they? Western men, for our part, need to get over ourselves and realise that there are dignified people in the world who will assess the other based on their qualities not origin. Ladies there have personality which, goes way beyond the superficial attitudes of the vast majority in mainland cities.

          • Adramalech

            I find that in Hong Kong, like much of Asia, you need not be all googly eyed and smiley and give the impression that everything is wonderful, look at how HK’ers treat mainlanders, how HK’ers treat anyone of darker skin colour, and so on for other asian people ad infinitum. It is best not to be too polite when you are buying something in a shop or asking for directions, and to actually look cross or stone faced as though you are annoyed, as smiling does not mean what it does in the West, and you may be taken as a naive fool to be exploited for some gambit. Just my take, but better to err on the side of preservation, communication works arse backwards.

          • ludicrous

            That is a pretty accurate take all the same. A reserved approach gets the job done in HK and yes, in most Asian cities, smiling definitely does not convey the same message as it would back home in the UK. I have a zero tolerance policy on race issues and find it alarming how prevalent it remains in Asia. Not simply aimed at people of colour, it goes for anyone not of the ‘correct’ colour, whatever that may be. That said, I do find HK the better of most asian cities I have been to.

          • Adramalech

            True, HK does have the discrimination placards up on the subway system, but I wonder how effective it really is. I still say it is a city that lauds white, but looks down on, in perhaps this order, africans, darker skinned asians, mainland chinese, or maybe back to front, I do not know.

        • bprichard

          That’s what I like about women from Hong Kong!

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Actually that was meant as a joke. I was teasing Linette, who’s from HK.

        • Claude

          Is it possible to date a woman from HK these days? When I was there they wouldn’t give foreigners the time of day. That is, if you weren’t a multimillionaire.

          • Astaroth

            That is something I have pondered. The sales girls in the shops are friendly and smiley, but that is just their job, and more gwai louh spending money, equals more commissions? Maybe some HK foreigners can report, yours is a good question I feel.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Anything’s possible, although I don’t think much has changed with HK women since you’ve been there. I also notice HK women tend to not date non-Chinese as much as mainland Chinese women do. Maybe it’s because HK has many foreigners and therefore the mystique of foreigners isn’t present among HKers as much as mainlanders.

          • linette lee

            Where you get your chinese wife from? Does you whip your a55? lol….

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I actually met her online, in a S&M chat room. Yeah she whips my ass and stomps on my balls every night.

          • linette lee

            You get lots of exercise at night I see. ;) You need to show me your photo with your wife on avatar. yes no?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Okay since you keep asking here’s a picture of me and my wife

          • linette lee

            yes yes lovely. XD

          • linette lee

            What????

            HK people are some of the nicest people on earth. Hk girls are some of the sweetest thing on earth. They may come across materialistic and cold and picky, but once they decide you are the right man they will treat you like their husband. Love you and support you and be by your side never abandon you and never cheat on you. Like she will be your lady and your best friend. Your love and your strength. ;)

          • vincent_t

            ok, i am convinced. Will mail order a Hong Kong bride tonight. Thx

          • iLL

            HK girls are not that special..honestly it doesnt matter where the girl is from, they are females, some are great but some are gold diggers and princess like. Its like any culture, there are good and bad. The only think about some HK girls..they watch TVB and Korean drama and expect there love life to be like from a TV drama.

          • loki

            Edit your post..

            HK people are some of the richest people on earth. Hk girls are some of the gold digging-est thing on earth. They come across materialistic and cold and picky because they are, but once they decide you have enough money they will treat you like their ATM. Love you and support you and be in your wallet and never abandon you for a poor guy or never cheat on you with someone with less. Like she will be your lady and your best friend until your broke. Your love and your strength if you never fall on hard times. ;)

          • Adramalech

            They come across materialistic and cold and picky because they are

            I thought that was Shanghai girls, and to a perhaps slightly lesser extent, jiangsu and zhejiang girls?

          • linette lee

            天下烏鴉一樣黑.

            If someone is a gold digger they will be a gold digger don’t matter which country they are from. Stop being so sexist.
            Men can be gold digging too, don’t matter which country they are from. I am tired of explaining that to you folks.

            And stop keep saying chinese women are materialistic. So bullshxt. Look at yourself before you open your mouth.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            :D

          • chan ka kui

            H.k women can be materialistic but so can mainland, korean and japanese.The good thing about h.k ladies they usually stand up for themselves, family and friends if something is not right.however I think they are somewhat superficial.But the pros outweigh the cons.I guess there are good and bad characteristics in every race.E.g korean girls have a fierce temper and japanese girls can be quite sneaky at times.

    • ka kui

      I was verbally harassed on a train recently by an old white man pensioner.The reason because I was asian and i didnt belong in Australia.

      • KAMIKAZIPILOT

        You should have told him to get the fuck out of your country and go back to where he came from. And if he didn’t like you to smell your stinky Asian farts. That’s what I would have done, no joke.

        • anon101

          try again Kamikazi.. she said “I didnt belong in Australia”… you can guess where she was???? (and it wasnt china..)

          Ka Kui, we get this kind of abuse here in china from time to time, before I knew chinese I was ignorant and happy, when I learned Chinese I learned what people were saying around me. it was very disheartening, now im depress and am waiting for that magical date when I can leave here for good.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I know this was in Australia. If you tell the asshole to go back where he came from it would piss him off even more, which is what I want. In other words, just be as big an asshole as you can toward this fart faced loser. The way I see it, his ancestors were from Europe so he isn’t entitled to tell anyone to go home. Get it? If not try again. Oh and don’t forget to tell the old bastard to smell my rancid Japanese farts.

          • Astaroth

            Your ancestors if your Japanese, came from Fujian, so really anyone who lands on japan, could tell you to go back to your roots, i.e. China.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yes and we can all tell everyone to go back to Africa if that’s the way you look at it. Solution: just respect everyone, you don’t have to like everyone but you can’t disrespect people and not expect some kind of retribution.

        • symon

          As a foreigner, you have absolutely zero grounds to tell a white australian to go back to where they came from. So tell me, what would you do if i told you IN china, to go back to where your ancestors migrated from (that being Africa), you wouldn’t be too impressed would you. So git Farked you fool. I would LOVE you to say that to my face here in my country, why don’t you try it next time and we’ll see where it gets ya. ;)

          • mr.wiener

            Question for you then. If you saw an asian being verbally abused on a train by some OAP would you say anything?

            That said, I do NOT agree with Kamkazi’s prefered comeback as you are just confronting ignorance with more ignorance and getting on the wrong side of every Australian within earshot. A simple “Piss off and leave me alone, it’s not my fault your children can’t stand you , you bigoted old fool!”, would suffice.

          • Astaroth

            Well said, meeting ignorance with even more ignorance is not acceptable.

          • Chan Ka-kui

            my response was your a effing racist etc.he then proceeded to walk up to me and wanted to fight me.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Yeah, I forgot about all the other people on the train. I don’t want to offend those not involved. I’ll look like just a big a fool as the old man who started everything and I hate looking like the bad guy. It takes a bigger man to not stoop to the level of lowlifes like that. Your comeback is better than mine. However, I’ll still tell him if he has a problem with me to smell my kimchee powered farts.

          • Astaroth

            You are korean, that just says it all!!!

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            You’re a 300 lbs Mexican World of Warcraft addict. That says it all!!!

          • Adramalech

            Never played that game in my life, sorry to say!!!!

          • linette lee

            But white Australians are originally from England and Ireland. They robbed the Indigenous Australians the Aboriginals of their lands just like the white Americans robbed the native Indians of their lands. They committed genocide and mass atrocities.

          • Astaroth

            So were the white british who came to HK and developed it from a bunch of rocks into a global financial powerhouse (admittedly with chinese work ethic!). So your point would be?

          • Truth

            A stupid, illogical argument. You justified American and Australian genocide and mass atrocities on the basis that the English made Hong Kong a “global financial powerhouse”. Burn in Hell.

          • Woodbine

            Burn in hell? Not very christian. I shall pray for you! Where did I justify mass atrocities in Australia and the USA, I am not even an aussie or a septic, so I couldn’t give a flying dog turd what white people did there. But yes, the Brits (not english!) made HK whatever you want to call it. Stupid, well been a nobhead all my life, illogical, no dear boy, not by a long chalk!

          • mr.wiener

            A question.
            Are you in fact of Australian aboriginal or native American heritage , or are you just getting angry and self righteous on their behalf?
            No culture has their hands clean in regard to the original custodians of a land. Too often people just use this as an excuse to point the finger at others.Flush toilets and a rail infastructure do not make up genocide and oppression , I agree, but I think you are just point scoring at the moment

          • symon

            I bet it was you that sent me that message on FB, it WAS you wasn’t it you little ba(s)tard lol!

          • mr.wiener

            Whilst all you have said is true, I doubt onlookers on a bus or train would be appreciative of you bringing it up, unless of course you are looking to escalate the situation.?

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Also, no one has any grounds to tell me I don’t belong anywhere, I don’t care what country I’m in. Did you even read the post I originally responded to? The old bastard was harassing an Asian because he was an Asian in Australia. That’s wrong and you can’t justify that. It’s not like I advocate telling some random person who has done nothing to me to go back where they came from. If I start harassing you on a train in China you’re welcome to tell me to go back where I came from (BTW I’m not Chinese). Actually I wouldn’t want to have to say that to you because that would mean you’ve antagonized me first and I don’t like confrontations. If people respect me I respect them back, if they don’t respect me, well that’s a different story. Put away the tough guy act, it just makes you look like a fool. Tell you what, you don’t harass me on a train in Australia and I won’t tell you to go back to where you came from. Fair enough?

          • Astaroth

            no one has any grounds to tell me I don’t belong anywhere, I don’t care what country I’m in

            Actually they do. I put two arrogant asian men in their place in Dubai airport for referring to people as foreigners in a certain language. In an international airport terminal, where people are in TRANSIT, it is technically a grey zone, but even then it is still in a foreign country.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Well I guess you’re right they do, just as I have the right to tell them to go back to where ever their ancestors originally come from, and seeing how we all come out of Africa, I can basically tell that to anyone, anywhere.

            Wow, I’m just so impressed, I award you my internet medal of honor. Do you also scold people when they fail to use complete sentences and use apostrophes inappropriately?

          • Adramalech

            Not a punctuation nazi, no. Your avatar implies to me you are korean, the folded arms, the pride bordering on hubris.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            Well the guy in my avatar isn’t me but he is Korean, albeit a Korean-American adopted at an early age by white American parents, so I don’t see any Korean mannerisms in his folded arms. He’s also an LP (little person), 4’3″ tall. You got the pride thing right, I’ve always prided myself in standing up to bullies and those who otherwise victimize the innocent and those weaker than themselves. Call me the Kim Chee Crusader.

          • symon

            sounds like a deal

          • symon

            Oh and i almost forgot, some dropkick (using an apparently made up FB ID to protect his/her identity, whom i’m presuming is skulking around on this thread, as the message was conveniently sent not long after my original comment, and a thumb-down vote) Sent a hate message to my ‘decoy’ FB page which i can only assume is in response to my original comment to KAMIKAZIPILOT.

            Own up to yourself you little 12 year old ba(s)tard lol.

            Btw, your link to what i’m presuming a ‘very violent’ youtube video demonstrating what you plan on doing to me, was a dud and was already taken down by Youtube before i could even watch the video, so…. fail! Typical deranged individual, there’s hundreds of thousands of you out there. I was once one of you when i was a teen back around the early 2000’s, so i know how you operate.
            Better luck next time.

      • TJDubs

        I’m hearing a lot about that lately. On the surface, Oz seems like a multicultural society with a very open immigration policy, but actually has a lot of overt racists.

        • chan ka kui

          yes this infact is true.There has been a lot of racism towards asians recently in major cities against chinese and koreans by white australians.

          • KAMIKAZIPILOT

            I know you can’t own guns for purely self-defense purposes but is pepper spray legal where you live? If yes, I suggest you carry some on your person. Easy to use and effective. You need to protect yourself. If anyone threatens you spray them in the face, I know it burns like hell.

          • Astaroth

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray

            It is only really legal in Western Australia, so unless living there, it is a crime in the rest of australia.

          • Astaroth

            For the same reasons there is racism towards blacks in korea and china, fear and loathing of the other!

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_other

            Ignorance breeds ignorance, you need to overcome your prejudices. There is also racism in Asia!!!

        • mr.wiener

          No one is denying it.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      Old people can be just as evil and manipulating as younger people, maybe even more so because they have more life experience they can use to their advantage. You’d think people would see the error of their ways as they get older but some just don’t.

      • Mighty曹

        Agreed!

  • Peter Pottinger

    I never help people, especially old people, just look the other way and pretend you dont see them. Did you know in the US you can be sued if you try and help somebody and you “help them wrong” as in you try cpr on a dead person but you dont know cpr, its best just to not try in the first place.

    • coldraindrops

      Are you serious? I’d advise you to do a little research before commenting next time. All states have some variation of the “Good Samaritan Law” which protects bystanders from lawsuits if they attempt CPR or rescue breathing and do something wrong.

      • Peter Pottinger

        lol

        1. you have to fight to prove yourself innocent?
        2. its not a guarantee you will be successful in fighting if somebody sues

        so its best to remain “innocent” and not wasting your time in court by simply .. not helping

        • mr.wiener

          Sad ,but true.

        • Germandude

          Are you serious? I thought in the US it was like in Germany where you can basically only be sued if you didn’t offer your help or deliberately helped a person the wrong way. This basically gives you protection under all circumstances.
          As long as you give first aid, you cannot really get into trouble. Let’s say you give mouth to mouth aid to a victim and while doing it, because of 2 left hands you choked the victim to death. You are still pretty much innocent because it must be proven that you did kill that person on purpose. That’s never gonna happen. If that person is dying however because you passed by looking to the other side while being caught on camera, you are in trouble and face (I think) up to 5 years for refusing to give first aid.

          • bprichard

            You’re right and the OP is wrong. Some states have laws where you are guilty of a crime if you don’t render assistance, although those laws tend to be very controversial and rarely enforced.

          • RagnarDanneskjold

            You can get sued in some cases in the U.S. The reasoning is that if you stop to help, other people will not stop to help. By acting, you take responsibility for helping the person. Also, if you injure the person seriously, you can be sued.

          • Peter Pottinger

            What you said doesn’t make any sense at all,

            so basically you HAVE to give first aid but you CAN’T if you don’t HAVE THE SKILLS to?? What you just posted is a pile of mumbo jumbo.

            So what if I see somebody dying and I don’t want to help them, so I deliberately mess up my first aid and claim I never had the skills, will I get sued?? So that makes having to help them not mandatory in the first place. You can’t legislate that people are helped when 99% of the population has no real first aid or assistance skills whatsoever!!

            So please, I dont know if you live anywhere near the states but keep your misinformation to yourself next time.

          • Germandude

            Dude, relax. If you want to get a driving license in GER, you have to pass a basic first aid course anyways. Plus most schools teach some first aid to school kids. And believe it or not, in GER, the law protects people that do sth, even if completely wrong, more than people that can’t be arsed to do anything. Are you one of those Americans that can’t look at others with open eyes and that lives according to the principle “my way or the highway” ? You know, the guys that are loved so much?

            PS: in most first aid situations people do sth right out of instinct.

          • Astaroth

            Interesting, but why would you need a first aid course for a driving license? That said, I do admire the germans, light years ahead in many ways.

          • vincent_t

            so that you know you are responsible for the live of others when you drive i guess

          • xiaode

            Yes, that´s right. And that you are able to help / save a live if you arrive at a traffic accident.
            In Germany you have to help others in this kind of situations! And guess what… I have never heard that (in Germany) a “good samaritan” was blamed afterwards or forced by some dumbass to pay for the hospital or shit like that…. (but this also be because of the quite good health insurance system Germany (still) has… there is basically no need that someone pay cash and in advance….)

          • Adramalech

            Fair enough, I just don’t like them throwing in extra test procedures. You are taking a driving test, not learning basic bleeding nursing. It is the same nonsense in the UK with you have to now pass a mechanics test, why the hell should I know how to check the oil or how the bleeding engine works, thats what keeps mechanics in work surely? Bleeding heart PC liberal western crap!!!!!!

          • vincent_t

            well actually, knowing how to check the oil and the basic shall be compulsory too. If the driver isn’t sure if the tire is too bald, the engine oil is dried, the brake is not properly functioning, i’d say that is also a dangerous driver.

          • Adramalech

            True, but I suspect a government scam to make the tests more difficult to get more people OFF the damned ROADS and into buses to make the roads less crowded, and up their green agenda. Nothing against helping a less polluted environment come along, just I think the test becomes a scam when they introduce multiple parts where you can fail, and have to pay a FEE again and AGAIN!

          • xiaode

            To know the most (technical) basics of a car if you drive one is not a bad idea… I am not sure, but in Germany they also teach you some basics about the technics (15 years ago in my case, i forgot).

            But to know what to do if you arrive at a traffic accident is absolutely mandatory in my eyes!

          • Adramalech

            Fair enough, but let’s face it, you don’t see BA pilots at Beijing Capital fiddling around with the flaps, or changing the tyres on the landing gear, do you? That is what the airlines have maintenance crews/teams for. Seems to me you are depriving mechanics and callout teams, like the AA in the UK, of a chance to earn a living!! Or as Niles crane in the tv sitcom frasier put it, I did not go to medical school to become a doctor to learn how a car engine works. Some get paid with their brain, others with their brawn, vive la difference!

          • Germandude

            The idea is that if you are involved in a car accident or if you happen to be around one, your skills buy the victim some time until the ambulance arrives.

          • Adramalech

            Fair point, but isn’t that what paramedics are payed and trained for? I wouldn’t want to deprive some bloke of a job?!

          • Germandude

            Sure. But paramedics can’t be around everywhere all the time. So the idea is that other traffic participants can help. The course is mandatory and very cheap. I paid about 70 EUR for it 13 years ago iirc. Maybe now it’s a hundred idk.

          • Adramalech

            You are one of those foreigners who are not teaching in China, I wager? Am I right or am I right?

          • Germandude

            I am not a teacher and don’t give private lessons either. Why asking? I am confused…

          • Adramalech

            Just curious, no other reason. Just you don’t SEEM like a teacher, that is all.

      • Dick Leigh

        Not true. You can be sued for attempting CPR or trying to provide medical help without proper training. This isn’t really a bad thing though… because trying CPR without knowing what you’re doing can cause a lot of damage.

        • coldraindrops

          Dick, it depends on what state you live in. Some GS laws only apply to trained rescuers, others only apply to untrained bystanders, or both.

      • Ryo

        You can be sued for “wrongful death” in the US. Meaning if you KNEW you didn’t have CPR training, but you tried CPR on a person and s/he dies, the decedent’s family can sue you for “wrongful death.” Of course, they have the burden of proof that your lack of CPR knowledge is what killed him/her. But they can still get you on not calling 911 or other people for help instead of trying something you have no idea how to do.

        Even if you managed to win, it would still have caused you a great deal of time, headache, and money to defend yourself.

        • coldraindrops

          Clearly people who don’t know how to do CPR shouldn’t probably be doing it at all, but people who do know should, and that’s my point. Trying CPR when you have no idea how is irresponsible and shouldn’t be done.

    • John Doe

      Bull shit.

    • Mike

      well if outright lies make you feel better about yourself, much like the person in this article then go for it. Try to do a little research before spouting off useless BS….

  • Maddy

    I love how the chinese always go on about how it’s the younger generations that have fucked up their country and it’s the way it is now because they are the ones who make the factories who make the pollution who spread the corruption etc etc,
    it wasnt like this 40 years ago blah blah blah
    but im sorry when you have old people that pull shit like this
    i dont believe you

  • YourSupremeCommander

    This is precisely why when someone is in trouble, there are always a crowd of people and the 3 officials surrounding them….. only watching.

  • Dannisi

    Just fine the old person (or her family) the 40000 kuai, thats the only way to stop this shit. Hit them where it hurts most: money

  • MidniteOwl

    Let’s play a game… if you can prove I am in the wrong, you get $. If you can’t prove it, I get the amount you would have sued me for.

    • Atlas

      Innocent until PROVEN guilty? What country do you think that is, Canada?

      • Elijah

        I know eh?

  • biggj

    That has to be one of greasiest things you can do. Someone genuinely trying to help you and you try to fuck them over. It’s a shame. Like people are saying, she should sue the old trollop for all she can and make it as public as possible. Then go buy the dumbest shit with the money and make sure the old woman sees it.I’ve met a lot of old fuckers but none would do something like this. They might be stubborn and hateful, but not dirty like that.

    • mr.wiener

      This is why I like Taiwan, The old folk are nice here.
      When ever i go to a wedding the old guys show me their “retake the mainland tattoos” and try to drink me under the table, they keep saluting me all the time too [weird].
      All the old biddies at the market flirt with me and give me shit about my poor Chinese ….and I never have to help someone in trouble, because someone has beat me to it.

      • yawei Li

        good to hear taiwan is like that, mainland china is a reverse elimination society, good upright people get eliminated, and people with no morals and limits succed,especially in the government

        • Chinese

          it’s about survival of the fittest, if in this social environment it’s more beneficial to be an ass than a good person, then so be it.

          • Astaroth

            Harmonious though?

          • yawei Li

            good 5 mao rhetoric!!!!!!!!!

          • Chinese

            You have absolutely no idea what 5 mao is like.

          • yawei Li

            it’s like you, justifying unjust

          • Chinese

            That’s why I said you have no idea what you are talking about.

          • Non-Chinese

            Survival of the fittest?? There are no “fit” people in China. All weak. Only evil and non-evil exist in China. The evil ones prevail because your society rewards evil.

          • mr.wiener

            How do you explain the existence of the “good Samaritan” mentioned above?

          • Chinese

            Keep the hatred to yourself, it’s disgusting.

      • linette lee

        retake the mainland tattoos…hahah….

        I love Taiwan. :)

  • biggj

    .

  • biggj

    I wonder…..

  • biggj

    Here is a nice card for this old woman.

    • linette lee

      hahaha..lol. You are so crazy.

    • 二奶头发

      That is sooo funny..hahaha

  • Ms. Wang is quite lovely – is she single?

    • mr.wiener

      I’m sure she loves small dogs. she seems to be a kind hearted person.
      Personally i hate the little yapping rats.

  • Negotiator

    There are many things wrong with this story. Here are just a few. Why did they have to “negotiate” to take a look at the surveillance video? Shouldn’t that be done automatically, even if it didn’t occur to the lady that helped? Shouldn’t that piece of shit be arrested and charged for making false statements to the police (i.e. false accusation)? In addition to that, shouldn’t that old hag be arrested and charged for attempted extortion, or something similar?
    I don’t think that the woman that helped is going to sue this turd bitch, but she *really* should, and if I were her, I’d go for double what this sorry ass, pathetic excuse of a human being wanted to steal. I’m pretty sure that she would win, even in China, and especially since this all-too-common incident got some solid coverage.

    • the ace of books

      Yes to your entire first paragraph, and I’d add: they’re rhetorical questions, ebcause they’re easily answered: because the system doesn’t include those kinds of protections.

      As for the woman, she’s not going to sue because she is a decent human being, and decent human beings don’t go after others’ money for trifling faults. Unfortunately, this is an instance in which there does need to be an example made, since it’s already known of and since word would properly get around.

    • Dumbledore

      The negotiation was probably with the lazy ass police. I’ve had 3 cases with friends where the shitheads on duty outright refused to obtain/look at CCTV footage. A break in, a stolen scooter and a fight. The police will do absolutely nothing for anyone if there isn’t either guanxi, kowtowing and ass kissing involved or they get direct orders from a superior officer.

    • Kai

      “Negotiate” was probably too literal of a translation. If you can read the Chinese, it just means they obtained the footage. There’s a lot of surveillance cameras in China but they don’t cover everything, and the police or arbitrator may not have expected there to be one there (or maybe they didn’t think the bus had one but had already tried checking other cameras around but it didn’t help).

      From what we know, we only suspect the old woman was intentionally making a false accusation. We don’t have any proof. She may have genuinely been mistaken. I don’t think there’s a law against seeking compensation you may be legally entitled to but being mistaken about who is responsible. There would need to be tangible evidence that she and her family knew Ms. Wang was not responsible but decided to lean on her anyway.

      • TJDubs

        That seems to be the standard, that the burden of proof is borne by the Good Samaritan, to show that he/she _didn’t_ cause the injury. Guilty unless proven innocent.

  • Fanduril

    Fuck old people.

    • mr.wiener

      That sounds like an entirely different story.

    • the ace of books

      Some people are into that.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      So when you get old you’ll fuck yourself? Think about it.

      • Fanduril

        That’s the magic!

  • Gee Lung

    SO MESSED UP. Good thing there was cameras to help Ms. Wang!!!

  • Vien Huynh

    Not all people are good… same as elders…

    • Atlas

      I accidentally read this as: Not all people are good… some are elders…

      My bad!

      :)

  • jin

    No good samaritan laws in China?

    • jin

      who the fuck is using my name?

      • Blarsd

        jin is

  • KAMIKAZIPILOT

    Should definitely sue her and post her real name, to shame her. Can’t stand these kinds of lowlifes.

  • vincent_t

    Until they learn it from Taiwan how to be a functional caring society with faith and love, there will be no reunification. Not to mention respect from other nations

  • 剑胆琴心

    should kick their ass…
    sigh!

    • LargeMeat

      should kick your ass

  • Kiwi

    Slipping and breaking our own stupid ass then suing random people off the street when everyone including you knows you’re a stupid ass

    • Karze

      Art of legal dispensation in 21st century.

  • Dumbledore

    Complete bull. When we had our kid we spent 4 days in a VIP room and all in all ended up paying 7000 yuan. These leeches claim 40,000 in medical bills for a sprained ankle?? And the family “rushes to the hospital with no money” and held back the woman afterwards?? Chinese people never go anywhere without cash. This whole thing has scam/sting/fraud written all over it. I really hope she counter sues,, shit like that has to stop because it hurts everyone and makes society a worse place.

    • garbo

      When I broke my ankle a few years ago my total medical bill was 800 yuan. And I broke because there no lights outside a building where you have to walk 20 steps down in the dark. Talk about cheap!

      • Ryo

        Did you forget you have an LED in your phone? Use it as a flash light!

        • garbo

          I was and then I thought I was home free and missed the last two steps. Then had to walk down a dark street to try to find a taxi.

      • Adramalech

        Same mentality as paying a few thousand to buy an e-bike/scooter, but then not replacing brake pads and thus our eardrums have to suffer the uber annoying SQUUUEEAALLLLing sound when outside:(:(:(

  • bprichard

    What kind of bizarre logic is it that leads one to conclude that only the perpetrator would aid a victim? I realize that the old person is likely just a dumb scammer who couldn’t think of a better excuse, but that’s weak.

    Dumb, deceitful people are the best.

  • xiaode

    I am long enough in China… I can already accept that almost every day someone try to cheat me… But… If someone I kindly helped would sue / scam me afterwards to make some profit… I would make sure that he really needs this money in the hospital…

    What a scumbag is cheating the person who help him in need…?!

  • Mop

    Sue that fucker and her family. Make sure they, and everyone else who dares pull this sort of shit, understand that it is unacceptable and will be severely punished.

  • guest

    Even when no one on the street seems to be able to trust each other, even when good acts are often discouraged with a responding malicious act, even when it seems like so many in this country takes some kind of pleasure in seeing another suffer, and even when the elderly try to take advantage of a good samaritan somehow I still have hope for this country. To be honest with you I don’t know where it comes from but I do.

    • Astaroth

      The phenomenon you are describing I believe is related to “Qi Ruan Pa Ying” or quite literally “Bully the meek and be afraid of the BIGGER bullies”. Even small store owners would try to size you up by the way you look and dress and gauge how much service they should provide, and if you know Mandarin, will proceed to question you, but then come out with the “mei ban fa” line, or how that’s just the way it is, and try to make you feel stupid for not “knowing” like they do.

      • xiaode

        hahaha… yes.. i know this! The 2 sentences I hate the most in my business / work in China, are:
        1)没办法。。。 (because I usually know then, it makes no sense to explain something.. the other party just don´t want to get it….)
        2)。。 在中国。。是这样。。。 (because I know then, they just try to find some shitty excuse to explain why in China something must be done differently then in the rest of the world… and I hate this that much, because I am working in technical fields… and logic there works all over the world the same way!)

        • Astaroth

          Sounds about right, and like the story of the spanish managers frustrated at their factory outside Hangzhou, shown how to operate the machine, do it their way anyway, machine breaks, and then no work happens….the mind boggles!!!

        • vincent_t

          I hate this: 马上!(right away, boss) when i ask someone to get something done. Though the reply is Mashang, very likely nothing get started even after a few hours, except you stand there and monitor them

        • Blarsd

          Man you are so right, that are the two sentences that I hate the most, well Vincent_ts “mashang” should be there too. However, in my experience I found that for the most part that “meibanfa” and “in China it’s like this….” is usually old lazy farts who just do not want to make an effort. I have a team of young guys and I have so far not ever heard that this or that can not be done and that is the same with suppliers who has young staff.

  • Pong Lenis

    How old is again Chinese culture? 5000 years? LOL

    • yawei Li

      64 years culture, from 1949, you know that! the new culture!

      • Adramalech

        noone will answer that question directly, with your chosen name!!!!

        • yawei Li

          i did not raise any question,

  • Concerned

    To cultivate a civilised society, this type of behaviour has to stop. Simply implement a rule whereby the wrong accuser has to pay three times what she asked for, 2 parts to the victim and one part to charity for promoting a civilised behaviour in society. In this way unscrupulous people would not try their luck in crying wolf.

  • 二奶头发

    Those gray haired and bald headed old farts get all the best seats on the bus!

    • Astaroth

      eattot? is it you my dear?

      • 二奶头发

        who’s that?

        • Astaroth

          You don’t want to know, if you are a better looking chinese female she will hate you, if you are an older western man she will hate you, but would probably have sex with you if she thought she could get face or status somehow.

      • mr.wiener

        Imelda Marcos maybe.

  • M.N

    “This kind of person’s apology is about the same as a fart.”

    Epic comment,lolz.

  • BrandeX

    Seriously this is China. If there is an actual perpetrator in an injury case, to avoid paying compensation they will not be sticking around helping you. They will either A: Run away, or B: Try to kill you quickly, then run away.

  • Karze

    May be elderly person had lost all sense of judgement blamed someone who helped her. Due to senility sometimes people can’t recognize their friend and relatives.

  • If anyone 50 or older needs help in China, ignore them. They are products of the cultural revolution and the sooner they die the better.

  • WoRPt

    Favourite comment. “This is simply how society is.”

    Not the society I live in. Just got back home a couple of weeks ago and going through some reverse culture shock. I wait at a crosswalk for the cars to go by so I can cross the street and they stop and wait there for me to go. I’m crossing the street and there’s a car about to make a right and he waits for me to cross. I’m at the supermarket buying 2 items and the person in front of me says, “You go ahead first, you only have a couple of things.” People that smoke (not many) are all smoking 10 meters away from any entrance to any building. Can’t believe these were all things I never noticed before my adventures in China.

  • SonofSpermcube

    Help no one. If you do accidentally hurt someone, make sure to kill them. Burn it to the ground, salt the earth. A new world will be midwifed by the death of human kindness.

  • aasdf

    One word: unscrupulous

  • anthony321

    if what the article reported is true then it means china need another iron emperor to teach its people humanity lesson through fear

  • 100CHINESE

    GO HOME WHITE MONKEY

  • pointdexler

    when will the Chinese learn? If someone falls in front of you, RUN !!!!

  • Expat

    This is so typical of many mainland chinese, lying, accusing, turning tables. I’ve had my own share of this experience I have never experienced anywhere else.

  • Those damned people who try to take advantage of good people, especially those elderly, they should be sent to jail because they are vulgar criminals.

  • JimLieu

    Unfortunately this is the norm. I hate to say it but she should SUE!

  • Mike Lovett

    I can really understand the elderly person’s point of view in thinking that perhaps the helping hand was indeed her injuring party. I saw countless incidents of people in China merely walking by and obvious injured person or person in distress on sidewalks and thoroughfares while I lived there (Guangdong Province–2001 to 2006). It’s a mentality; don’t get involved, don’t help, don’t care. Many times I would see ordinary citizens gather around an injured person from say, a pedestrian vehicle accident, nobody bothering at all to help, just standing around looking at it like it was a free performance. I never saw a dead body out in the open in my life until I moved to China. In five years–seven dead bodies. All with the exception of one, accidents with pedestrians on the road or sidewalk.

  • Clairo Wong

    Twisted mentality there. 好心没好报!

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