Government Cracks Down on Organized Online Rumormongering

“秦火火” is advertising to attract fans on the subway.

From QQ:

Suspects Started Rumors that Lei Feng’s Life Was Extravagant and Li Shuangjiang’s Son isn’t His Own

Xinhuanet Beijing, August 20 News (reported by Zou Wei, Shi Jingnan) — These days, the fabrication and spreading of rumors and similar illegal activities on the internet are rampant and the masses of ordinary common people are intensely calling for the chaotic internet to be put in order. According to leads provided by the masses of ordinary common people, the Ministry of Public Security has deployed public security organizations nationwide to conduct a special operation, concentrating on cracking down on organized fabrication and spreading of rumors and similar illegal offenses.

Recently, Beijing police, in cooperation with the Ministry of Public Security and in accordance with reports by the masses, began prosecution according to the law to bring down an internet marketing company that deliberately manufactures and disseminates rumors maliciously infringing upon other people’s reputations in order to illegally reap economic benefit — Beijing Erma Interactive Marketing Planning Limited Company (hereinafter referred to as Erma Ltd), and has arrested Qin Zhihui (online name “秦火火” [literally “Qin Hot Hot”, suggesting the ability to make things popular], male, 30 years old, born in Hunan Province Hengnan County Xianghua Village, high school education, and former Erma Ltd employee), Yang Xiuyu (online name “立二拆四” [literally “erect two demolish four”], male, 40 years old, born in Jilin Province Baishan City Qidaojiang Town, and founder of Erma Ltd), and another 4 members of the company.

According to the investigating police officers, not long ago, information that severely slandered the image of Lei Feng quickly spread on the internet, causing some netizens to question Lei Feng’s brilliant image. Many netizens called Beijing public security organs, asking for a thorough investigation of the rumor-monger responsible for defaming Lei Feng’s image. Beijing police immediately got to work, and through a meticulous investigation, a “秦火火” and “立二拆四” led internet marketing company that specialized in using the internet to plan and create online controversy, deliberately creating and spreading rumors maliciously damaging other people’s reputations in order to illegally make exorbitant profits emerged.

Qin Zhihui.

Web Celebrity “秦火火” [“Qin Hot Hot”] Qin Zhihui

Police discovered during the investigation that in order to increase their internet popularity and influence and illegally make even more profit, Qin, Yang, and the other people involved planned and created step-by-step a series of popular online events, attracting fans/followers, causing themselves to quickly become internet celebrities. After the “7.23” train accident, they deliberately fabricated and propagated the rumor that the Chinese government spent an astronomical sum of 200 million yuan compensating foreign national tourists [on the train], which had been forwarded/reposted 12k times within 2 hours, provoked discontent amongst the people against the government. [They] fabricated the notion of Lei Feng having lived an extravagant/luxurious life, befouling the image of this model of morality image as one that was completely manufactured by the government. [They] exploited the hyped up “Guo Meimei showing off wealth incident” and fabricated the rumor that certain local civil servants were forced to donate to the Red Cross, maliciously attacking China’s charity and emergency relief system/institution. [They] fabricated that Zhang Haidi, Chairman of the Disabled Federation of China had acquired Japanese nationality. [And they also] targeted famous military experts, senior media reporters, public figures, and some ordinary people in their attacks, fabricating stories out of nothing, maliciously making rumors to smear and slander.

According to police officers working on the case, Qin, Yang and the other people involved formed an internet marketing team, colluding long-term with a small number of so-called “opinion leaders” and organized online “water armies” in concocting fake news, intentionally distorting facts, creating disturbances, confusing right and wrong, inverting black and white; illegally profiting by deleting posts to help other people avoid problems, tracing IP addresses, and similar methods, severely disturbed internet social order. Their actions is is suspected of falling within the crime of creating disturbance and illegal business operations. Qin Zhihui and Yang Xiuyu have both openly confessed to their illegal criminal activities. Currently, both of them have been criminally detained in accordance with the law by Beijing police.

According to a relevant representative of the Beijing City Public Security Bureau, cyber space is a public place, and cyber society is a legal society, where netizens must follow the law and abide by the law. Public security organs will crack down and punish in accordance with the law any organized rumor-mongering cyber crimes. [He] hopes that the masses of netizens will uphold the law and the moral bottom line during online activities, firmly resist and proactively report rumor-mongering, rumor-spreading and any other lawbreaking activities, and collectively maintain a healthy, orderly online environment and social order.

“秦火火” is advertising to attract fans on the subway.

“秦火火” soliciting Weibo followers on the subway.

Suspects once created rumor that Li Shuangjiang’s son isn’t his own

Content: “秦火火” weibo: In 1990, Meng Ge and Li Shuangjiang got married. Because they were separated by 27 years of age and with Meng Ge still being a graduate student at the People’s Liberation Army Art Academy forcing her to take an absence from school for a year due to pregnancy, controversy arose. Meng Ge became pregnant in 1990, so the latest she would’ve gave birth to Li Tianyi would’ve been 1991. So Li Tianyi should be 22 years old now, an adult.

Reason for creating this rumor: “秦火火” confessed that the whole event was fabricated by him from information he gathered on the internet. “秦火火” claims he learned from searches on Baidu Baike and Wikipedia that Li Tianyi was born in 1991. “So I started to think, how could he still be considered a minor? And I remembered reading that Meng Ge said her son was born in 1991.” Besides that, “秦火火” confessed that he compared pictures of Li Shuangjiang and Li Tianyi and found that they didn’t look alike, so he thought Li Tianyi wasn’t Li Shuangjiang’s biological son, so he posted their pictures online for others to judge for themselves.

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Comments from QQ:

腾讯宁波市网友 /pj布鲁斯-李:

Transmit/spread positive energy, purifying the social atmosphere! Ren Zhiqiang [a Chinese property tycoon] has multiple times now publicly created rumors that housing price would go up. And as a result, housing prices have continuously increased, seriously disturbing the economy and stability of society. People all over the country know this…

腾讯扬州市网友 守护者:

I just saw his repulsive face on TV just now, and felt a certain feeling of being deceived and cheated. I’ve forwarded/reposted and propagated [his rumors] before, which made me an accessory to the spreading of rumors on the internet. This bastard is also a big conman in real life. The speed of the Chinese government’s response was also too slow, with the bureaucracy insisting on waiting until rumors are flying everywhere and the people’s minds all muddled before doing something. It’s exactly the same as how international negative public opinion is led by the nose by the West. Always reacting passively. The ideological organizations of our country should organize and make a documentary exposing the West’s exploitative nature and true essence of Western democracy. Don’t let the truth be limited to only those in the high levels of society/government. The intellectual level of the people nowadays are not the same as decades ago. When it comes to people of such low character who have so [negatively] influenced the nation’s people, they should be severely punished.

腾讯网友 沧海一粒粟:

Not just Lei Feng, now for the sake of clicks, attracting eyeballs, and getting paid by foreign employers, people even spread gossip about leader Mao Zedong and ancient hero Yue Fei as official history. Next it’ll be Bao Qingtian Bao Zheng. In short, they simply want to ruin destroy China’s national spirit or get eyeballs, clicks, and money from overseas.

腾讯网友 四海匹夫:

Seeing the Guo Meimei incident described as having been hyped up, I shivered~

腾讯青岛市网友 胸怀天下:

The internet has become a new living environment and being on the internet requires you, me, and everyone else to use some real wisdom [intelligence, critical thinking], otherwise one may very likely be flushed away and played for fools by the waves of rumors.

腾讯网友 消失嘚美俪:

This should’ve been viciously cracked down upon long ago, then the internet wouldn’t be as chaotic/messed up as it is. But now is not too late either. so arrest some more, punish some more, and punish them harshly, so no one will no longer dare to be so wanton/reckless.

腾讯网友 ジ觉☆悟ミ:

Yang “立二” is finally caught, and that’s a good thing. This guy’s methods for creating hype are extremely dirty, with no moral integrity at all.

腾讯昆明市网友 鱼也:

What’s real can’t be made fake, and what’s fake can’t be made real! Look at the people around you and you’ll know! Are the ordinary common people all fools?

腾讯南宁市网友 鸡不鸣叫不睡:

Firmly crack down on this kind of intentional dissemination of rumors to poison the hears of the people criminal behavior. There are too many rumors on the internet right now! Most of them are against the Party and against the system and there are definitely foreign powers behind the scenes responsible for them, and some people blindly go along with them! The stability of the nation is paramount to all else, because a nation in unrest is no longer a nation!

腾讯网友 C.O.M.W:

There sure are a TM lot of people without brains. [Referring to suspicions about the authenticity of Lei Feng’s reputation, such as Chinese netizen 爱新觉罗铁蛋’s comment below] I once participated in a competition and if it were like it is nowadays, every competitor would be photographed participating in the competition. But back then, in order to save film, only after the top 3 people had emerged would competition reenactment photos be taken. As for Lei Feng, he had done the deeds [he’s known for], but reenactment photos were taken subsequently simply to make the publicity/propaganda more effective, to give everyone a visual; it was just a method of publicity/propaganda. Some people intentionally twist the facts, while some people are deliberately being nao can, so just institute a real-name registration system [for the internet], so we can see just who these clowns are.

Comments from NetEase 1 & 2:

网易泰国手机网友 ip:49.49.*.*:

“Many netizens called Beijing public security organs, asking for a thorough investigation of the rumor-monger responsible for defaming Lei Feng’s image.“

温柔的网友 [网易北京市网友]:

Build a harmonious internet, resist rumors. Go China.

深山枪 [网易广东省深圳市网友]:

Those who spread rumors should be arrested, and those who speak the truth should be protected!

爱新觉罗铁蛋 [网易山东省青岛市手机网友]:

Where did Lei Feng’s photos come from? Why are there so many?

网易新疆乌鲁木齐市手机网友 ip:222.82.*.*:

A good crackdown! These utterly immoral, self-serving cynics.

彪悍小南瓜 [网易山东省泰安市网友]:

After cracking down on the internet marketers, the crackdown on internet whistle-blowers begins.

山西乔 [网易北京市网友]:

In the future when seeing similar information on the internet, don’t carelessly forward/repost them again, to avoid being exploited by cheats like this!

北叔 [网易河北省唐山市手机网友]:

So chaotic. The new vice minister [of the PSB, Fu Zhenghua] assumes office and immediately takes on the Guo Meimei typical case, striking against online rumors. Very powerful. I support/approve.

网易北京市网友 ip:114.255.*.*:

I think the laws and regulations concerning the internet should be strengthened. After all, it’s the internet age now, and main source of information relies on the internet, with safety of the internet being especially important.

网易广东省东莞市网友 ip:27.37.*.*:

Support/approve!!! Resolutely crack down on online rumormongers.

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  • Mighty曹

    He looks like an a-hole.

  • Cuddlycthulhu

    If lying to people about Lei Fang’s lifestyle is a criminal offense, then shouldn’t the entire communist party be arrested for lying to the Chinese people about him for the last 50 years?

    • WoRPt

      Exactly. I was just thinking that, although there is an argument to punishing people for spreading rumors and inciting public descent, the danger comes from one question. Who decides what is rumor and what is fact?

      There was a comment from a netizen that brings this into perspective. “people even spread gossip about leader Mao Zedong.”

      • donnachadh

        When someone has a bad conscience about something it is not uncommon for them to express outrage when another brings it up.

    • RonghuiLi

      I don’t know what are you talking about.The Chinese government does what they promised before its establishment and is much better than US,because China never make money with sending his soliders to death,only to satisfy the arms merchants and big banks in Wall Street.NOT a single merchant dares to make profits from the death of soliders in China.

      • donnachadh

        In opposing the Nationalist regime the Communists derided them for not allowing open public debate and multi-party democracy. They claimed that when they got into power things would be different. The reason you don’t know this is that when the Communists did get into power they broke all their promises and made their propaganda the official version of history. It is only in this official ‘history’, which it appears you believe, that they do what they promise.

        On your second point, it is true that the Chinese people never make money sending soldiers to death, but the Chinese Communist Party certainly does. They even send soldiers against the Chinese people when the people dare to demand democratic reform.

        • Zhegezhege

          Don’t forget that Xinjiang and Tibet have always been fundamentally military occupations, carried out for access to resources and hence power. (So soldiers, police and plenty of civilians are indeed dying or having their lives ruined for profit.)

          For all the pre-war talk of Starbucks in Baghdad, at least the Americans don’t pay lip service to an obvious lie that the Iraqis have actually been just another kind of American all along as the grunts arrest the average Hassan’s family members for suspected separatist activities.

          • RonghuiLi

            Yeah,you are right, but we do it for America because these monks want to help American indian to take their Florida back.Bazinga,have you understand the issue? These monks used to treated their prople as slaves,and this is the reason why most people in Tibet dosen’t want dalailama to go back to Tibet.

          • RonghuiLi

            China have military in Tibet because the Indian always want to have some ridiculous conflict with China in Tibet. These Indian just have no memories about only a few PLA beat them to their moms uterus in 1962.Well, it is not astonishing as Indian put curry in their missile once.

        • RonghuiLi

          “The people dare to demand democratic reform” is what your defined for murders and mobster? You mean the jerks in 1984? Let me show you what they have done.They killed soliders and policemen.There is a rumor that PLA killed a lot of people in1984,but it is totally false and lie.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            I guess even Chinasmack has a 50 cent party. Let us know when you are finished so we can stop wasting our time reading your mindless comments.

  • SimpsonsGoldenAge

    Wow, nearly every single person who responded is a total moron who doesn’t in anyway see the implication of arresting someone for “spreading rumors”.

    • NightKnight

      Almost all comments were censored, only the “Positive” ones can be seen.

      • SimpsonsGoldenAge

        Phew.

    • maybeabanana

      They see China, not democracy.

    • Robert Rou

      If those rumors are slander or defamation aka demonstrably false, then there’s really no material point in your comment.

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    Harming internet society? I’m finding it hard to believe anything said on the internet can make the ‘society’ any worse

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    I so often feel sorry for the Chinese people. They really have nowhere to turn for facts about their society. Now one bad egg (if he even should be considered one) is going to place whatever freedom of information once existed right back in the gov’t’s hands.

    • MrT

      I feel sorry for people in other countries who do think what they read on the internet is true and that nothing is censored.
      Thats the real crime here, at least in China its transparent and you know it goes on…

      • biggj

        Are you being serious? You know what is going on in china?

        • MrT

          I know when its bullshit here,
          in the western system i never knew.
          (i do now)

          • biggj

            How do you know what is bullshit?

          • MrT

            I have lived with Chinese women for a long time.

      • ludicrous

        You appear deluded somewhat. YOU feel sorry for people in ‘other’ countries. Please elaborate. What does ‘other countries’ entail? This deeply entrenched sorrow you feel-who exactly is that directed at? You really mean the rest of the world right? Come now, its ok, admit that and you will be on the road to recovery. And when you see that red sign? That’s where you may take an objective look at china. I told you earlier to ease up on feeble deflections and here you are again, pitifully making a mockery of yourself. And your supposed 5,000 year history. Your history started in 1949 somewhere. You know nothing nor have you retained anything prior to that period yet you feel that you learned enough from your English teacher to duel politics. I am from Britain and will easily agree to any valid critique of British people or culture. In the previous post, someone suggested that Brits have a bad reputation in the part of the world I am currently loving….anyway, did I say oh but chinese people are dirty, rude, can’t handle alcohol, bring noodles from china and make them in the hotel room kettle, spit everywhere, make obscene and racist comments thinking no one speaks mandarin and crap their pants when confronted by a non-chinese who DOES speak mandarin and DIDN’T appreciate being called a white/black pig? Did i do that? No. Accept criticism and you may begin to partake in a debate.

        • Chernobog

          I think MR T said he was a brit no? But you make perfectly valid points, at least to me. If they can’t handle alcohol however, just means more for me!

          • ludicrous

            His command of English is not British. It is ‘mainland’ English. There is always the vague possibility that due to his living with thousands of chinese girls, his grip on language and reality may have deteriorated. I mean if he calls himself a Brit because he admires Britain so much then who I am I to deny him that indulgence? Off the topic slightly, people in the med region have a different manner of drinking. It is slow, with food, and relaxed. Not frenzied ingestion of copious amounts of alcohol to the level where it becomes an overall poisoning of the organisms. My friends drink, I play the musaaak. Mainlanders can’t handle drink but they keep pouring it down. It is not a pleasant thing to observe.

          • Chernobog

            Fair enough man. True, you are right, the spanish don’t get hammered as much, yet the biggest EU consumer of beer. I’d wager the drunken northern europeans ( not just brits! ) account for a large part of that though during the summer months!!!

          • ludicrous

            I suspect you would win that wager.

          • Chernobog

            No, not any more young fellow, tucked up early most nights alas. I wager you could though?!

          • ludicrous

            Hahaha, no no, I gave up drinking years ago. Don’t touch the stuff anymore. I keep healthy now, an athletic routine, and believe me it is so much better and fulfilling.

          • Chernobog

            Fair enough, but some keep going strong ,ok Ronnie wood stopped, case in point a certain german dj who I met on one occasion off his face, this vid gets me laughing each time:

            http://www.metacafe.com/watch/542735/sven_vath_dancing_very_funny/

          • MrT

            “Thousands of Chinese girl, his life of his master the language and reality may have deteriorated”
            Spot on.

          • ludicrous

            While we may poke fun at each other, it is all in good spirit. In that light, even I had to wince looking at your reply. Delete it man! Now! Let ME make a fool of you. I can’t allow you to make a fool of yourself. Quickly now. Delete it before too many people see it.

          • MrT

            I cant self censorship, I let the powers that be do that for me.
            I have no mind of my own see.

        • MrT

          I to stupid to read all the above.
          You so great!

          • ludicrous

            Why thank you but there is no need to declare two well understood facts.

          • Chernobog

            Hahahaha!!!!

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        Transparent censorship?? Wow, what in Gods name does that even mean!??

        • MrT

          you know it goes on here.Transparent.
          back in your shity county you assume it doesn’t go on. Non transparent.
          stupid.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            You really are lost if you think the US government OWNES newspapers or TV or the INTERNET. Stop embarrassing yourself by rambling nonsense about things you don’t understand. Try reading a book

          • MrT

            wow you really are stupid,
            you should wake up.

    • Today

      Its one of the few things you shouldnt feel sorry for. If the whole internet is just full of shit that has absolutely no truth in it it damm well should be censored and the fact people know about these censorships means that there is still freedom of information

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        “the fact people know about these censorships means that there is still freedom of information.”

        First off, the only thing that proves is that the Chinese people are so used to censorship they aren’t even surprised when sb gets carried off to labor camps for saying something critical about the gov’t.

        The point is that the internet is not supposed to be the ONLY place people turn for facts about society/government/politics or anything else for that matter. Its the traditional news sources like newspapers and television programs, and in China that is all completely 100% controlled to make the party look good. Now they are trying to censure the internet because it is the only place where you can hear alternative viewpoints or critical thinking.

        Also I don’t fall for that BS that the internet has not truth in it. The truth is that anytime you hear something different you freak out because it makes you think and questions your views on things.
        So yeah, I feel pretty sorry for you guys.

        • Today

          i said the internet is full of shit but dosent mean it dosent contain the truth, yet I’m just pointing out censoring some rumoring does not warrant such overreaction

          Yeah i’m totally freaked out right? Haha i love the irony in that you reply 3x as much as i do and ur calling me freaked out.

  • NightKnight

    Actually, there’s rumor that this so called “crackdown” is only the preview of a much bigger political scandal which could involve other retired CPC higher officials, and has something to do with the Bo xilai case which the trail begins yesterday.

  • Mick

    It’s hard to take anything serious on the net.

    • Ami

      Terrible. From the eye burningly pixilated image to the outdated watermark.

      • Claude

        Because it’s important to maintain a standard on the internet? Maybe the Chinese government can intervene. See what I did there?

        • but as a web designer I choose what I want to be a part of or not, It is the same with the end user.

          • Claude

            So we collectively oppress a person self expression much like the Chinese government? The nail that sticks up gets hammered down? As a website owner/operator that’s your prerogative but as poster on a open forum that you don’t even need to sign into, I find that statement a little dubious. Why didn’t you and Ami comment on Biggj’s very amateur( but amusing!) Photoshops? The irony is interesting, it really is just the internet, dude or less it’s a website that’s built credibility overtime like the NY times where everything is approved by an editor as opposed to volunteers. Please don’t compare China-smack and it’s sister sites to Wikipedia, it’s approval process is far more stringent. Don’t get me wrong, love China-smack. It’s fun.

            Just a thought.

          • I am a web Designer. I am responsible for the look, layout and functionality of the website not the content, that is provided by the client,( lorem ipsum dolor sit amet). But if i believe the client is a snake oil salesman I can turn down the work. I own and operate one web site on behalf of a charity with two journalists one other web developer and a Barrister. As for not commenting on biggj’s photoshop, I lol’d when I saw them along with everyone else but I use photo shop daily, designing imgs for clients from jessicas -jewelery to tonies- bikeshop to party island nightclubs It tends to make you jaded looking at photo shop.

  • biggj

    BREAKING NEWS!!!

    Harmony restored…….

    Official : “You know I’m really gonna miss you… But look on the bright side: some you win… and Dim Sum, you lose……I don’t hear you talking shit now huh mother fucker???”

    • twelve ways

      In communist China, shark jumps joke.

    • KAMIKAZIPILOT

      “You know I’m really gonna miss you… But look on the bright side: some you win… and Dim Sum, you lose……I don’t hear you talking shit now huh mother fucker???”

      That was one of the funniest lines ever. Forget the movie name, was it “Romeo must die”? I just remember it was those black guys surrounding Jet Li about to kill him

      • biggj

        Yeah, lol Romeo must die…The last line was my own shit haha. But the dim sum part, that’s the one things that stuck in my mind about that movie. lol

    • firebert5

      This needs to be nipped in the bud. Pretty soon there will be rumors that the “floating officials'” pics were all photoshopped!

    • firebert5

      This needs to be nipped in the bud. Pretty soon there will be rumors that the “floating officials'” pics were all photoshopped!

    • linette lee

      oooh..this is bloody.

    • RonghuiLi

      What else can you do except for the ridiculous PS?

  • biggj

    The government is going about this all wrong. If they want stop this and make people trust them, play the same game these rumor guys are doing. Don’t just arrest them, discredit them. I’d fabricate a bunch of shit about them. Do it right to the point were no one will believe these guys. By arresting them it kind of makes the government look bad. Like if I was the government I would make up fake records on these guys like say they were arrested years ago for child molestation or something like that. I mean you could easily fake the records. Arresting them is too easy.

    • MrT

      like they do in west you mean, this is why only government approved parties get voted into power..
      no one else gets a chance making the whole democratic system a joke.
      As every one can see now.

      • Jahar

        Also, the need for 65 million votes(in the US) makes it a bit tough to get elected.

        And what do you mean “Government approved parties?” I’m from Canada, and the Liberals or Conservatives have always been in power, and they have never wanted the NDPs or Bloc, yet there they are, at various times, with considerable power.

        • Dick Leigh

          Yeah, if government approved parties worry you come to Canada and vote for the Sex Party, or the Less Work Party.

        • biggj

          I follow Canadian politics, but I never vote. lol…Tell you the truth I have never voted in my life and I’m 30 years old. I just don’t see the point. I’ve never felt that one party would be any different than the other…at least not enough to justify me going to town, spending my money to get there..it’s just not worth it. A lot of people don’t vote..and the ones that do are old and have nothing to do or you get time off work to go so they just vote…or they just give a shit. lol

          I have a funny story. My house is the last house on a dirt road. And in the winter the snow plow would only go to the house before mine….since it was easier to turn around there. So from my house to the next one…which is only like 1/4 km..they never plowed it. So a few years back a local representative guy was running for local leader of the liberals or whatever he came to my house to talk about his campaign and shit. I told him I would vote for him if he got the snow plow to go to my house haha. And he promise he would. So when the snow started falling just like clock work the plow would go right to my house every time. haha I feel bad because I never went and voted. haha But I did tell people this guys is the man….he hooked me up. haha

          • Jahar

            dude you’re a jerk, haha. where u from?

          • biggj

            Nova Scotia. Why am I a jerk? Cause i never voted for that guy? hahah It’s his job to do shit like that. All it took was a I bet just a one 2 minute phone call from him. lol.

          • Jahar

            I don’t really think you’re a jerk. I’m from NS too. Grew up in Lower sackville, lived near Yarmouth fora few years and spent a lot of time in the valley. you?

          • biggj

            Right on, I think we had this conversation once before. I live in Weymouth, a village 20 mins from Digby. I work in Alberta though, just my house is in weymouth. I spend a lot of time there though.

          • Jahar

            shit maybe we have. My sis lives in little brook. U spend a lot of time on this site for someone who doesn’t live here. You spend time in China? This is not the right place for a conversation

          • biggj

            Fuck um. lol Yeah I go to china every year for different lengths of time. I’ve been there a lot. My wife goes there to visit her grandparents and I kind of get pulled along. I just like chinese news/stories.

            Yeah little brook. lol Man, it’s been over a year since I’ve been to the bar there. I used to rock the teen dance though.I’m not much of a bar guy anymore. I’ll have parties at my house….but since the smoking law in NS came into effect I pretty much haven’t been to a bar since.

        • MrT

          “Liberals or Conservatives have always been in power.”
          There, you just said it, well pointed out.

          • biggj

            It’s because people vote for them. They are the most popular ones. And they have the money to make themselves heard. It’s just a popularity contest. So all the “good” politicians go to these parties. They have a better chance of winning.

          • Jahar

            well, technically, no government ever “lets” any party have power, we do. As for the ruling party, they don’t willing cede power either. But those other parties have had varying degrees of power, and control, especially in a minority government.

          • MrT

            “we do”
            based on what they spoon feed you through media.
            Any outside parties get hammered badly by the media, if the media decide they dont like that party.
            If that media which (is does) prefers to keep certain parties in power, then they will do everything in their power to convince the people who to vote for.
            Also who says that the vast majority are correct?
            I’m more thinking few people are correct .

            Easy to make a lot of people to think the same thing, doesn’t means its correct.
            If this system works so well, why is there always conflicts and wars?
            Parties are never answerable for all the fck ups they do, why? because they get voted out and then the previous idiots get back in.
            so the cycle goes on and go.
            A party that’s never voted in, got a lot more to loose and lot more to prove, otherwise the whole county goes belly up and every one looses out.

          • ludicrous

            There is at least SOME change in cycles, depending of course on the duration of that cycle. In any case, what I found most heartening in your diatribe against the west is, that almost all of your rant dressed as a premise, is in reality a description of mainland china. You say somewhere that china is transparent-you are correct there but maybe not in the manner you intended. You say western or other countries spoon feed via media? How does china spoon feed? Chopstick feed? Rammed down the throat? Political parties in the west aren’t answerable you say. How about the ONE group of Audi driving mafia you have running (ruining) china? And their mutant offspring running wild, raping away AND wearing pink t-shirts? Who are they answerable to? How does one leave the house with a pink t-shirt with a permanently open mouth? Anyway I digress. Western countries are not perfect, neither do they claim to be. We work at it every day. But we don’t resort to lazy refutations by saying well, in china people can rape AND wear pink t-shirts so we should be permitted to amuse ourselves in any manner we see fit. We look out for the other. Our limited freedoms are constrained by our concern for those around us. Unless the ego is tamed, you will never know freedom. Maybe this is something you should ponder before attempting feeble deflection in the future.

          • Jahar

            so what’s your solution? The party in power should encourage you to pick the little guy? The media should support everyone equally?

      • biggj

        No, I’m not talking about that. Lets say you are one of these rumor guys. Well instead of putting you in jail for spreading rumors. Maybe your wife would end up dead and your finger prints on the knife…or some KTV Hooker skank magically comes out and accuses you of rape. Things like that. All done by the government against civilians. See this way the government gets off with looking like the bad guys and you end up looking like the evil guy…no one will believe you after they find out you murdered your wife and raped a KTV strumpet. lol

        • MrT

          point in case Julian Assange.

          • biggj

            They got to do what they got to do.

      • Charles

        MrT Insulting America doesn’t make China look any better.

        • MrT

          Your right America doesn’t need any help to look bad, actions speak louder then words.

      • donnachadh

        In multi-party democracies anybody can start a political party and if enough people support this party it will be voted into power (irrespective of what the present government wants). If the party currently in government could control who would be voted into power next they would always make it so that they were the ones voted (back) into power. This is similar to the way (fake) elections ran in the Soviet Union. The fact that there are changes in which party is in government shows that the government does not control who is voted into power.

        • MrT

          yea that’s the theory but not whats really happening is it.

          • donnachadh

            What’s not really happening? There is never a change in which party is in government? Perhaps you’re thinking of the Chinese situation, rather than the Western.

          • MrT

            yea lots of new faces and political systems you have, so great!

  • Jake The Peg

    I hear Jet Li was the main policy maker for this.

  • HarmoniusFilth

    Mainland Chinese people don’t seem to be able to think critically. Perhaps it is the consequence of their experienced inability to affect the government or get organised very easily for political change.

    I realise online furores have pressed the government’s hand in the past however, so maybe the Commies wish to crack down on this source of unrest. Whatever the case, these harmonious butt-plugs will have their precious few civil liberties damaged even further whether they accept it or not.

    When the chenguan come knockin’ they’ll be squealing for justice and nobody will hear it. They’ll all be picking their noses/asses, shittin and pissing in the street/subway or getting soy sauce.

    Bear in mind that the USA and UK are big internet spies and liars. We have the opportunity to oppose it, let’s not squander it!

    • Chernobog

      The picture is great, come on boy, Squeeeeaaalllll!!!!!!

  • MrT

    I see the whole western media propaganda machine jumping into this in the hope they can create some big sht in China.
    But the majority of the China people have got it good now so dont give a sht.
    Pissing in the wind for West again.

    • moop

      “the majority of the China people have got it good now”

      have you ever been to western china or rural areas? there are a bunch of retarded people who have spent too much time in shanghai and beijing and think the rest of china is the same. only people living in large urban areas on the east coast have even remotely “got it good now”, and even their quality of life is starting to deminish as pollution rages out of control and more and more are being priced out of home ownership.

      this is not simply a crackdown on rumors, it is a crackdown on unofficial and unsanctioned news, whether it be a rumor or not, they want to have complete control over all information whether it be true or false, but they’ll always be a step behind. its the party pissing into the wind

      • MrT

        yea i avoid those places you mentioned where all the expats arse lick each other and hold hands in bars because they to fcking stupid to get out into real china.
        I spend most my time in rural china and seen plenty of bad poverty that’s heart breaking. I go places that have never seen foreigners before, not the tourist “poor” villages most see, who think that’s real China.
        I also see a lot of wealth in these rural areas that wasn’t there 30,20,10 years ago, that’s all bringing the standard of living up in China, no one wants to go back to what it was, so trying to cause some mass protest and collapse of the government aint going to help anything is it?
        We can see the efforts of that in the middle east.

        • MrT

          also, your telling me that America and United Kingdom (plus the rest)let false rumors spread on the Internet with no action?
          Bradley Manning just got 35 years for telling the fcking truth!

          • Chernobog

            Will he actually serve the full term though?

          • MrT

            I know what you saying, they nearly always let criminals back out on to the streets to re offend.
            But in his case, (because its against the government) if the brainwashing fails they will force suicide him.

          • moop

            please visit infowars.com or any website like it and then tell me that anything even remotely akin to that would be allowed in china? as i said earlier, this move by the government isnt about controlling rumors. it’s about controlling 100% of the flow of information whether it is true or false. it is about only allowing sanctioned and apporved information reach the public. it has nothing to do with rumors. these people are getting arrested for spreading rumors about leifeng, would anyone in the west be arrested for spreading rumors about mother theresa?

            as a libertarian i agree with you about bradley manning, but he has nothing to do with this. none of the examples in this story have anything to do with a western plot to sow dischord in china. the west doesn’t cause the corruption here that the party tried to cover up and only brings to the surface to punish rival factions. the west isnt coercing chengguan to beat people, the west isnt causing the widening equality gap or housing prices to soar out of control, the west isnt causing china to destroy their environment, the west isnt responsible for the decimation of the yangzte river ecosystem, the west isn’t to blame for china’s poor food quality… all of these things are what causes unrest in china, and have nothing to do with the west, yet you’re still posturing that the west is trying to foment unrest in china.

          • MrT

            Info wars? yea i listen to that a lot for the pure entertainment of all the rumors it spreads and all the things it makes Americans go and do against their own country. Its a good example of what should be closed down.

            The environment?
            Wow today America as been ousted out in the news for exporting used E goods under false licenses to China under the pretense its for recondition, when in fact its to dispose of dangerous substances into China’s environment.

            Of course the US is posturing to cause unrest here, like it does every other country that doesn’t bow to the great super power and become slaves for there wealth. They need to, they got no other options, otherwise the US will implode into civil war.

          • moop

            actually other than the pivot to asia, i think you have a weak argument for US causing unrest in china, in fact, the US’s pivot to asia unites the chinese more than divides them, so do you have any concrete examples, because i am drawing a blank?

          • MrT

            none at all, I’m just spreading unfounded rumors.

          • Chernobog

            Is it just me or does alex jones sounds like he really loves his cigars on his podcast/radio show?

          • biggj

            They don’t let it go. But it’s not as hardcore. What would china do to someone like Manning? You can’t compare china’s Internet to Western Internet. One is a lot worse than the other,,,I’ll take Western Internet any day over china. Any kind of military rumors/truth…country won’t allow that…any country pretty much will stomp that. But pretty much anything else is fair game on western internet.

          • Chernobog

            http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/26/huawei-homesafe-content-filter/

            http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/uk-is-about-to-filter-out-internet-adult-sites-and-esoteric-material/

            It’s the internet Jim, just not as we know it. First it starts with child porn and stopping nasty comments on forums, then it ends with…..?

          • MrT

            Western internet is bombarded with so much bullshit, no one knows what the truth is, its called dumbing down,the end result people stop reacting to it and accept it.
            Its a method to passifiy the people, confuse them,
            Rumor has it Alex Jones (info wars) is doing exactly that, they putting out that much negative information about all the governments but at the same time looking like total idiots and bullshitters, the real information gets ignored in the fog of it all. It makes any one who goes against the flow look like loonies.
            End result? Nothing changes.People sit back and ignore everything.

        • laowai

          yes i agree with you thats good.

          it took only 5000 years but finally living standards improve.

          In addition, you seem to be different than your brothers and sisters, you seem more advanced and experienced.

          My Chinese colleagues at work seldom travel outside their home town, not even to another part of the same city.

          So tell us, where did you learn that?

          • MrT

            always been a free spirit and never a sheep, believe what i see, and think carefully about what im told.

    • Germandude

      Hm. From 1st world into the 3rd world in 30 miles. That’s China.

      The majority of the Chinese people are busy with making money and hunt down wealth, that’s why they don’t give a shit. The guys in power are happy to blind the masses as that guarantees their position for tomorrow.

      Granted, the rich in the west try doing the same but besides a higher standard for the poor, we can choose different leaders.

      • Claude

        “From 1st world into the 3rd world in 30 miles”

        So true. I use the ring roads as indicators how far I want to venture out of a city. 1st, alright. 2nd, mmm, ugh.. 3rd, oh god, what a shit hole! Sadly, even within the first ring road I still have 3rd world diarrhea. I Hope I didn’t share too much.

        • MrT

          you should try going out further,

          • Claude

            I went from south Vietnam to Mongolia by train and bus. It took months. China is comparable to India when it comes to ahhh.. er, intestinal disorders. I gave Beijing 3 months but couldn’t acclimatise. Then moved to Shanghai. It got better but never really adjusted and had to leave. All together I spent a year in China. I mock it but actually kinda liked it. It was loose, refreshing after spending years in Japan.
            But you know, wasn’t cutting it so I learned to stay within the ring roads.

            Is it normal to be sick like that in China? Is the MSG allergy a myth?

          • MrT

            dunno, I only get sick when i eat western food here, they no idea how to store,prepare and cook it.
            Mcdonoalds always fcks me up.
            I cook most my own food, chinglish style.
            My diet as changed drastic from my UK life and my health as improved 100% so much so last time i visited my UK doctor he was amazed at the improvement and said China life suits me so stick with it.

          • Claude

            Really? Good for you. If it broke and all that. If anyone else wants to weigh in and tell me what your secrets are, let me know.

            I’d like to return for a winter. Canadian winters are long and dark.

          • MrT

            I avoid all street vendors food.
            Only eat certain restaurants, when i find a good one, stick with it.(can see the kitchen and out back)

            Boil all my water which come from the tap, dont bother with big bottle water, no idea where that comes from, i seen dudes out in the countryside filling those big bottles up from dubious sources and reselling it.
            Best place for water is to pull it out of the tops of mountains, usually a road going up them and people filling up, tastes better to.(filter through the rocks good)

            Meat i buy from big supermarkets,(higher safety checks, they got more to loose) never the fresh markets, those places are a breeding ground for infection.
            Vegetables from street markets, i use the popular ones, not street peddlers carts.
            Traveling i pack my own cooked food mostly and dry packet food.

          • Chernobog

            I would too, but much like celebrity travel foodie Bourdain says: Meat on a stick, come on! Nothing is better with a cold beer than lamb pieces on a stick. And the round breads make a great plate for them, as well as soaking up all the lamb fat. Heaven!

          • biggj

            That stuff is good for a treat…but you can’t eat that shit everyday.lol

          • Chernobog

            Fair enough, but much like the anti smoking brigade I long stopped caring about what others say you should eat and smoke. Look at car exhaust fumes, factory pollution and the state of many rivers. 20 cigs a day (i cut down!), and lamb kebabs each night is periphery by comparison. But each to their own, thanks for the input!

          • biggj

            I hear ya, I don’t care what people say either. I do like lamb kababs though…fuck they are good. I bought a big bag once from taobao of the lamb kababs….but it’s not the same…it has to be cooked on some dirty old bbq for it to taste good. lol.

            Speaking of smoking, I’ve stopped going on 2 weeks now…before that I was down to a few a day. Problem is I just substituted cig for joints. So I just end up smoking 20 joints a day haha. Before I would smoke a joint then light a cig up right after….So I just decided I have to pick one or the other. My wife don’t smoke cigs, but she does smoke weed..not like I do…she smokes a lot before bed..but thats it. So tobacco free for me. lol

          • Chernobog

            You are right man.They are outrageously good. Sadly the prices are going up in the bigger cities. The guys with the grills know how to do it just right. It also definitely does not taste the same off a gas fired bbq, and I refuse to eat the crap from those. It needs that coal to give it the smoky flavour and right texture. I stopped weed well before I was 30, might have had a slight puff here and there, afterwards,but never felt the need to keep the habit going. Each to their own, I’m almost done with cigs to boot, I quite fancy keeping my legs, and not having to have one lobbed off, due to a blood vessel bursting or some crap like that. Thanks for the input again!

          • biggj

            Last time I was there I was paying 2rmb each. The guy also did this fried noodles that were pretty good. I do smoke too much weed…maybe not 20 joints a day..like maybe 10-15. Pretty much I stay high all day. I just need something…I don’t drink or do drugs…and since I quit smoking…weeds the only thing I have now. Weed actually motivates me to do things. other people it makes them lazy…but it give me motivation. And when I start work I can’t smoke anything…so for 7 months I can’t smoke that much weed…I can on my week off…only when I have 5 months off I smoke like a fool. haha.

          • mr.wiener

            A joint and some kebabs…How can you go wrong with that?

          • Chernobog

            About 3rmb a pop now, but maybe in the smaller cities cheaper. Of course the meat to gristle ratio is going to vary! The weed long term though, is it worth it? Was a heavy caner of MDMA during my 20s, so glad I left it, and weed behind. Each to their own, cheers!

          • Claude

            The lamb. Those little spicy crayfish (crawdads/fresh water lobster?) and a beer. Oh man.

            That Bourdains got a dream job.

          • Chernobog

            Indeed, getting paid to TRAVEL and to EAT!

          • mr.wiener

            I met that colossal prick 15 years ago in Chengdu.
            A total twat, i do like his show though.

          • Chernobog

            Interesting. Do tell? He does come across as arrogant at times, I thought Sasha (uk dj) was a cool guy, until he refused to sign my airdrawndagger cd at his involver party in Guangzhou, despite being in the VIP area, I’d say he was stand offish at best:(

          • mr.wiener

            Went to the foreigners bar in Chengdu and say a bunch of my friends in thrall of this New Yorker holding forth on “Giaa Theory”….I interrupted the great man in mid spiel “What is that?”… He look at me like I’d just crawled out of the primordial ooze, and proceeded to explain that humankind hand infected the earth like a virus and the earth was throwing up its defences [typhoons, earthquakes, plagues ,etc] to wipe us out. [leaving me in no doubt that he had progressed to a higher intellectual plain and I was one of the scum that deserved to be wiped out.]
            “Twat” , was my instant impression , further enforced later when I was getting a roadside heat cupping from a chinese medical practitioner and he walked past , paused to look down his nose at me and said “ugh, tourists” to his female companion. At least I had the presence of mind to retort “Who the f*ck are you then, Chinese?” to his retreating junky back.
            Saw his show years later and said “my god, it’s that twat i met in Chengdu”.

          • Chernobog

            It is full of a motley crew that city, went there once, hated it, and never looked back. bookworm bored me to tears with its overpriced drinks and unsmiling snobbish laowai. Forget that place!!! too many grovelling snivelling weasels!!!!

          • mr.wiener

            hmm, yes. I’d forgotten your hatred of the place. I enjoyed my time there, liked the food, the people and the shit storm i managed to create for the police…..but that my friend is a story for another day [evil laugh].

          • Chernobog

            the food, damned great, the earthquakes and stuck up teachers, students and schemers who are foreigners, not so bleeding much! good luck pal!

          • Claude

            I admire people who can live their lives on their own terms but in his case I get the impression it’s at other peoples expense. I watch the show and read his book Kitchen Confidential and I he really does seem like a prick. I was thinking one day while watching his show that being a member of his production crew must be a drag.

          • Claude

            Cheers! The freaking water eh? You really go the extra mile. Words of wisdom. I really love Chinese food, even the street venders. I did stop eating at them, they were trying to kill me.

            I had this Chinese girlfriend that just love to have me spend money in restaurants. She was a great food guide, great memories. Great food.

          • biggj

            I pretty much did the same thing you do….except the water from the mountain thing lol. I do eat more healthy in china…well less fatting food anyway.

          • MrT

            yea its easier to buy raw food here that’s not processed. even the pork with big chunks of fat on is healthier then processed food, that’s real fat, that helps break down bad fats in your body.
            Processed food is the killer, along with butter,cheese and milk.

            I also have a massive intake of chile an peppers in my diet now.
            The health benefits of that for my system as been amazing.
            That said as more and more western style foods, products are more available here now,(and more food then ever affordable) there is a serious problem with fat fck Chinese people every where.

            When i first landed here it was rare to see fat ugly women, everyone was super hot and fit. Its getting real fck up quick now.

          • ludicrous

            Of course it suits you because you are Chinese. I am curious as to why you not so subtly, portray yourself as being from the UK. Your English really is very good, close to FCE and is better than most mainlanders I work with but, your first language is not English.

          • MrT

            Im Chinese from Pitcairn.

          • Chernobog

            Pitcairn, NY? If you are born there, then you are not Chinese, you are american, afraid to say.

          • MrT

            That one.

          • MrT

            oh oh the Brits dont even know their empire!

          • Chernobog

            the islands, a few rocks, uninhabited, hardly constitutes an “empire”. That all ended after 1997, when we gave back some previously undeveloped rocks, ya know, yeah, those ones!!!

          • donnachadh

            That’s funny, considering all the Pitcairn islanders (the islands had a population of 48 at the time of the 2012 census) are descendants of Bounty mutineers, and I’m fairly sure none of the Bounty Mutineers were Chinese. Basically, you are full of shit.

          • MrT

            harsh.

          • ludicrous

            He wasn’t born there. He was born in mainland. Probably spent time studying abroad or, studied at some English school in mainland. But not born in a western country. Not a chance. Right Mr. T?

    • ludicrous

      Majority of the China people have got it good? Is that what they tell you in your transparent media? Because you sent a spaceship to space? Great! Now you are only 70 years behind us in technology.

      • MrT

        we can steal your technology same day.

    • donnachadh

      The Western media is reporting the shit not causing it. If your own media were allowed to do this China would be a much better place.

      • MrT

        why where is this better place that this happens?

        • donnachadh

          With a minimum of research you should be able to find that countries without freedom of the press are much more corrupt than those with freedom of the press. I won’t insult your intelligence by listing all the countries with more freedom of the press than China.

          • MrT

            yea, completely truthful unbiased press, lots and lots…

          • donnachadh

            I never said any country has a ‘completely truthful unbiased press’. But even a press which was moderately truthful and unbiased would be better than what is allowed to exist in China.

  • Archie

    Isn’t what these guys were doing pretty much what the propaganda department does. Make up bullshit, and pay their staff to propagate it? Then have 5 maos come along and steer other conversations towards the correct “story”?

  • Adramalech

    Thought it was an ape in the first picture, liked the pretty girl on the right better!

  • mr.wiener

    And all the while truth lies bleeding in the gutter and the people walk past caring not one wit.

  • Charles

    Beware of telling the truth too often or too loudly. You may be accused of promoting rumors.

    The worst thing I can see in this article, perhaps, is that Chinese people are still moronic enough to believe in the creations like Leifeng, or Iron man Wang and all those silly propaganda constructions of the 50s and 60s… But then again, many still believe that Mao was a great leader… so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

    This world is beyond hope!

    • Chernobog

      To be fair, when you have Putin reopening memorials to Stalin in the moscow metro, even though his statue is not there, it shows some people are beyond change. Someone who carried out mass culls of their own people is still loved, but in Stalins case, he was not even an ethnic russian!

    • Today

      Well if people believe all the hype surrounding war veterans why cant they believe in one mans will to produce for society

    • Robert Rou

      Perhaps it’s worth considering your version of “truth” may be wrong.

  • 二奶头发

    I can be his pen pal when he’s in prison… mmmm love has no boundaries.

  • online rumormongering = defamation, isnt it?

  • chandlerpatrick

    I don’t know how to comment on this…
    I think the lesson here is to not believe everything that comes from the internet – or from governemnts for that matter… There is far more bs on the web, than actual real info. imo. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt…

  • anon101

    we all need to be careful now, we all have information about mao and the communist part that could lead to us being arrested.

  • MrT

    Are people here so stupid that they think that all information on the internet UK,US etc is allowed?
    I know to sht loads that been silently pulled down.
    Damming information for those governments.
    They weren’t rumor either, they were fact.
    If its bullshit, which there is plenty I have seen floating around recently on various social networks, it needs bringing down, there are a lot of retarded people who would believe it.
    Lets face it, that’s how your governments get you to vote for them.

    • laowai

      You mean the child-xxxx sites that you and ur brother built up?

      • MrT

        I mean all the real information about what was really going on in Northern Ireland that was pulled down from the internet, that was re-posted many times with detailed facts about who,what and where. that was pulled down again and again to protect governments.
        So you work for which government? or you just choose to use there discredit tactics when you read something you dont like?
        Not much freedom of speech there.

        • fabulous

          Hey, MrT!
          Don’t think that we didn’t notice you trying to ignore laowai’s question!

          • MrT

            well the real question is, how does he know about such sites?

          • fabulous

            Damn… that is a good question. I hope he answers.
            This is exactly the sort of intrigue and melodrama I come to chinaSMACK for.

  • Alphy

    I was just discussing with some local Chinese colleague about bias in media, trying to gauge where they get their news from. It was quite enlightening, the ones who only read paper and watch TV, the “traditional” media basically were foreign to the concept, and the newer generation basically laugh at the idea of trusting traditional media. I suspect there will be a large generation gap in opinion in the up coming years.

    There are still a lot of development left in the media realm in China. There are not “trust worthy” or “neutrual” news source, in fact from the stories that I usually read, most don’t even go through a good fact checking before publishing news story.

    • Robert Kist

      what are you trying to say, that Kim Jong Un hasn’t been voted sexiest man alive? ;)

      • xiaode
        • Alphy

          Hahah yeah I saw that one. Seriously if a major newspaper published something like that on their website in US, there will be huge repercussion to their reputation. In China through, they just shrug, hit the delete button and move on with another copy and paste story.

  • Jahar

    This is not far from “It’s against the law to lie, or say what you think is really going on.”

  • Lei Feng is fucking imaginary. That ain’t no damn rumor.

  • 100CHINESE

    GO HOME WHITE PIG

  • donnachadh

    First of all, even if people are spreading false rumours about Lei Feng, it’s not defamation, because Lei Fang is dead (or maybe in prison with Tank Man) so he can’t sue, and you can’t sue for defamation on another’s behalf.

    Second of all, given the huge number of photographs and other propaganda material generated around Lei Feng before his timely ‘death’ (timely from the propaganda department’s point of view at least) it is completely natural that people are suspicious of the whole story (or mythology).

  • mogz

    I unfortunately stumbled on this page after leaving china. what a fking dump, as ever!

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    Poor Al-Qaeda and their jihad! poor Kim Jong-un, executing his girlfriend and starving his people, poor al-Assad, who has to use chemical weapons on his own people. Who will defend these innocent people! Thank goodness you are here.

    • RonghuiLi

      Well,Al-Qaeda was established with the help of FBI,Bin laden didn’t tell you guys that?
      al-Assad?Chemical weapon?You usd to claim that Sadam had chemical weapon too, stop kidding yourself. The weapon things are just excuse.

  • Robert Rou

    Export drugs, alcohol, and prostitution while you’re at it. That is, if you’re looking to halt the scum of the earth hitting your shores every day.

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